< 1331078404 403689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can install it, but it isn't by default < 1331078411 514019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I remember, might be wrong < 1331078488 385355 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of computer? own architecture? ttl? transistors? fpga? risc or cisc or oisc? < 1331078493 327869 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1331078494 716516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331078510 461939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep too < 1331078573 738160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a reason I said XP and Vista! < 1331078588 381947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331078598 783362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I have not yet decided. It will probably use existing parts, such as ARM, DSP, GPU, and whatever. But connecting everything together in different ways which ar designed for security and to prevent malware (malware includes copy protection/DRM); however any user with physical access can open it and override anything by setting jumpers. < 1331078732 890238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did draw some block diagrams but they do not contain all information. < 1331078823 670611 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it run existing OS or are you going to write your own? < 1331078824 535180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331078842 658187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you design a CPU architecture to prevent DRM? < 1331078852 123775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, anti-malware CPU features normally make DRM easier, rather than harder < 1331078930 951278 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is not the CPU feature which I intend to change, but the way the CPU is connected to the other components. < 1331078976 315780 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I will write my own OS, probably single-tasking since it is simpler, and have a Forth interpreter built-in. Probably I will have a BASIC interpreter too, which can be compatible with many of the programs in old books. < 1331079043 494630 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And the BIOS design, too. (For example, only the BIOS can access the hard drive and optical drive.) < 1331079082 532385 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not do the hardware mostly myself; that will be done by other people, according to my advice, and I will write the software myself though. < 1331079124 777552 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will include full specifications of all hardware and software in the manual so that anyone can build a clone) < 1331079249 579374 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I am thinkig of building my own computer with my own RISC instruction set using FPGAs and using a rewrite of my own os for that platform as its os. It will be 16 or 32bit and will have very simple MMU or no MMU at all < 1331079296 709676 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I complete specs I will publish them under CC-BY < 1331079371 660896 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I would like to see something like that too. My problem with using FPGAs is lack of free specification. < 1331079383 910134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1331079439 674939 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other thing I will use to make copy protection and DRM and other malware to be less likely, is trademarks.) < 1331079463 42386 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you going to do that? < 1331079560 848441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they implement the computer or the program wrong, then I can sue them for trademark violation, unless they remove all of my trademarks from their product so that it cannot claim compatibility. Which also mean if later version change so that their DRM stops working, they cannot sue us either, because they cannot ever claim compatibility < 1331079762 28420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331079789 481810 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My processor design will be bit strange (No virtual memory, MMU will give process access to liner piece of memory with start of range being logical address 0, 2 priviledge levels and supervisor interrupt) because I am going to design it for my os and not the other way around. < 1331079818 602411 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: OK. < 1331079831 829044 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make LLVM compile to it? < 1331079891 671473 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :propably. I have only played around with smallc cross compiler targeting beta version virtual machine < 1331080132 651431 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331080300 25468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some purists will tell you to skip FLACs altogether and just buy WAVs. [...] By buying WAVs, you can avoid the potential data loss incurred when the file is compressed into a FLAC. This data loss is rare, but it happens." --Wired, idiots < 1331080330 76885 :khil!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1331080502 435440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FLAC is lossless, right? < 1331080515 567747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, did you point out that data's lost turning sound waves into a WAV? (and did anyone else?) < 1331080526 311524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/real/ music purists hire an orchestra to perform for them < 1331080628 573728 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Free Lossless Audio Codec? < 1331080631 217074 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's lossless. < 1331080655 545036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, FLAC is lossless. < 1331081414 570700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not to get into a whole thing here, but.... zeno's paradox illustrates how any mathematically system of using "squares" to approximate "curves" _always_ has a loss of fidelity. it simply is not "captured perfectly"." -- someone trying to disprove Nyquist's theorem < 1331081418 873024 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331081540 389378 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331081714 138196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They later went on to place "information theory" in scare-quotes. < 1331081749 562544 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331081926 251086 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331082090 123748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the original source of three_cut_limes.jpg :( < 1331082330 622806 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331082395 549269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO WELCOME TO A LAND OF ETERNAL SUFFERING < 1331082396 884057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1331082411 90945 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1331082441 559497 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, FLAC is lossless; but it is still compressed. If you need WAV you can convert FLAC to WAV and get the same thing as if you just buy WAVs originally. < 1331082476 762584 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming all relevant settings are correct) < 1331082484 452484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331082552 580371 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I half read that as I can't quite find the original source of ... < 1331082576 904050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only error there is "quite" < 1331082577 486264 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought that would be a ridiculous thing to say < 1331082611 387067 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a postman saying, i couldn't quite find the address < 1331082677 847618 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. this program is not quite a halting program < 1331082854 182189 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331082865 969130 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Double or Nothing in Wheel of Fortune? < 1331082928 474943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331083687 766130 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-216.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331083860 108099 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-046-242.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331084192 447359 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1331085241 179377 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331085471 638857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :observation: webcomics often make the "next" link on the most recent comic a link to the top of the page < 1331085492 657497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: because it makes something interesting happen so you know you clicked the link, yet it leaves you on the same page so you know there aren't any more < 1331085497 864899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: why not just gray it out? < 1331085556 741623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: answer: styling consistency, ease of coding < 1331085568 598081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)styling consistency: consider that it is the "a" element that is styled, and often has padding etc.) < 1331085569 563503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*( < 1331085592 985199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, you'd have to have a div that acted like an a < 1331085601 236165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, couldn't you make it an a element but just not hyperlink it anywhere? < 1331085605 503148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :href is optional on a < 1331085607 61377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's ugly < 1331085610 760028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's an unsemantic use of a < 1331085619 880148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you'd still get hover styling < 1331085622 837689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you explicitly wouldn't want < 1331085633 242519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'd look like a link < 1331085661 252282 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : is for anchors as well, not only for hyperlinks < 1331085666 955114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we've already established we're overriding the color < 1331085700 333312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, but the next link wouldn't be an anchor < 1331085703 585749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, :visited can only override color nowadays, but :hover can override arbitrary properties (I've seen a site that makes links init-caps when you hover them, and lowercase otherwise) < 1331085720 276044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::visited can override more than colour < 1331085724 437704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, couldn't you do a pure-CSS analytics thing that figured out where the person was putting their mouse? < 1331085725 16768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :background, underline, etc. < 1331085738 193044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably, but what would it give you? < 1331085743 73331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not any more, there were people using :visited to get information about their visitor's previous sites < 1331085748 81937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1331085751 632465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by what I said < 1331085755 252140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hover over a link on Wikipedia sometime < 1331085761 557938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1331085770 258027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it underlines < 1331085772 374271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's only properties that don't change metrics, I guess < 1331085779 944809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's more limited than even that, there's a list < 1331085781 573988 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Using what skin? Probably it depend what skin < 1331085783 674305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it includes more than just colour < 1331085788 812364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the default, or monobook < 1331085876 304994 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there should be a mode to tell it not to load any CSS commands that tell it to load a file, at all. < 1331085955 660948 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331086108 156226 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331086211 767376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's Feather? < 1331086224 474431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION /clear < 1331086236 838449 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's @? < 1331086264 495815 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's fe@ther < 1331086265 451239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's the @ implementation of feather? :P < 1331086270 436971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: higg 5 < 1331086280 831669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is like high 5 but g) < 1331086289 959519 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the feather imlementation of @!!! < 1331086290 146289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: It's implemented, just waiting on ais523 for Feather. < 1331086292 705878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can boot it. < 1331086300 902076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Um obviously that's what @ is written in. < 1331086302 437436 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1331086305 41226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the @ implementation of Feather so I can run it. < 1331086432 297899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, Esperanza had over 5000 subpages? < 1331086441 882857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes to just ask ais523 random questions about Wikipedia. < 1331086470 594067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misread < 1331086485 73696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, that did surprise me when you said it < 1331086489 738799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanza really really got out of hand < 1331086498 265181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think trawling through the deletion log is the only viable method at the moment I can think of, but I don't expect the deletion period to stretch to over two to three days. (~ 5000-10000 records)" < 1331086500 351524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Esperanza < 1331086505 369171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpreted the number of records as the number of deletion log records < 1331086507 51363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the number of pages < 1331086511 849461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I just have no idea what it means :) < 1331086532 235420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of edits to esperanza pages before they were deleted < 1331086535 334664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331086536 966728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1331086547 161146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers being vaguely around when Esperanza existed, and then it stopped existing, but I don't remember anything about it. < 1331086765 577479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza is a great but rather long read < 1331086770 424678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the nomination message < 1331086836 556824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ironic thing is, I'm not sure that an oligarchy is a worse way to run a wiki than the technique used for Wikipedia as a whole < 1331086891 821237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read the start of that ages ago < 1331086901 434664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant I don't remember anything about it from back when it was active, only after-the-fact < 1331086923 321846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm still not sure how it managed to be insidious rather than just more pointless bear-ocracy, but that's Wikipedia for you < 1331086923 963740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was pretty insular < 1331087002 237537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basically splitting the community into esperanzans and non-esperanzans < 1331087150 92667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DRV was hilarious, it was about whether the history should be deleted or not < 1331087201 557761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm reading that now for some inexplicable reason :P < 1331087771 274007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, how do you use IPv4 multicast? < 1331087795 970887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and am not convinced anyone actually implements it < 1331087802 156114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1331087893 968958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Wikipedia will know? < 1331088039 927121 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any esolangs that only allow a changing subset of the possible instructions to be used at any one time? < 1331088214 822619 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331088222 558970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I think s < 1331088223 35196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1331088226 135679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read the Wikipedia article but it was long and boring < 1331088248 541358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1331088274 642082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: for a literal "at any one time" that tracks realtime, TMMDLPTOELPAITAFNFAL < 1331088277 458608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /think/ that's the name) < 1331088291 427967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, it isn't < 1331088306 796634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL < 1331088309 963576 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was being intentionally vague because I figured there might be multiple ways that someone would do it < 1331088319 295424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was /so/ close < 1331088347 171888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :added a D where there shouldn't be one, added an O where there shouldn't be one, missed an A < 1331088362 654645 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331088363 383094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is an acceptable amount of misrememberance of such a ridiculous name < 1331088432 504547 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like a hunt the wumpus map.. where depending on the instruction used, it moves you to a new room and that gives the new possibilities for that room < 1331088441 173958 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: definitely, thanks < 1331088467 144073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: oh, for a language that works like /that/, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Taxi, but it's not quite what you're describing < 1331088605 712516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Weird? or Whirl, I forget < 1331088640 104169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wierd is BF-like and 2D, IIRC < 1331088658 173959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of Whirl, but that's pretty much just an encoding for a BF-like language in terms of 0 and 1 < 1331088712 36784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was some kind of instructions-change-future-ones things < 1331088714 657819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1331088849 438398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, is there any way to preview some edits to a page without all the editing tools around it? (MediaWiki) < 1331088855 475271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Remember that this is only a preview; your changes have not yet been saved!" etc. < 1331088870 936951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no built-in way, I think < 1331088879 214529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably rig something up with JavaScript < 1331088900 503545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just deletes the chrome elements in the inspector < 1331088932 722987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-245-113.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331088938 204315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331088999 807285 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep whirl seems the closest.. not a very interesting implementation, but basically it < 1331089021 52400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with whirl is that there's no penalty for changing < 1331089054 842613 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like the running out of gas thing with taxi? < 1331089911 464099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331089921 275764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1331089921 464042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331089926 978650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am working on the low-level complicated (almost esoteric) Basic Input/Output Commander" < 1331089928 979991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331089929 168107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 47m 25s ago: [2007] by using the FingerTree module which implements lazily concatenated sequences < 1331089929 541388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 7h 47m 9s ago: are you sure? "(it is the same as Data.Sequence, but less restricted)" implies not, since Seq is strict < 1331089937 563245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what compels people to put languages they say are non-esoteric on the esoteric prorgamming languages wiki. < 1331089940 124169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programming < 1331089945 924814 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? < 1331089952 246256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I am working on the low-level complicated (almost esoteric) Basic Input/Output Commander" < 1331089981 629401 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't love Taxi? < 1331089991 982704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`what < 1331089994 985854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1331089999 78380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: what: not found < 1331090001 605685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good uh < 1331090003 1606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"morning" < 1331090007 636918 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taxi is THE BEST programming language. < 1331090014 586785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think i may have discovered that later. i assume this is about dupdog, and i've been thinking something simpler rope-like might work better. < 1331090047 44233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, it was dupdog < 1331090070 636932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really want something with really-O(1) reversing and self-concatenation < 1331090084 104984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for once it's actually morning in most senses for me. < 1331090103 37462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:14 is night :p < 1331090107 661440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331090189 114356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw the sitenotice died. rip. < 1331090191 658718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you see that. < 1331090195 378725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAAAA < 1331090210 949174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i did not notice it ;) < 1331090560 561945 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331090611 726354 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331090973 449510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331091015 678700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand BSNES hits 100% compatibility. < 1331091055 706492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1331091088 203969 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"runs every /official/ game ever released" < 1331091095 981200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: wait, does this include satellaview? < 1331091097 651585 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, doesn't run Super Noah's Ark Blaster 3D < 1331091100 514390 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1331091115 314579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: There's no possible way it could run every unofficial game, since tons of them are modern hacks that only work on ZSNES and not a real NES :P < 1331091121 735149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Actually, pretty sure it ought to. What it won't run are many, many ROM hacks. < 1331091123 764609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SNES < 1331091142 657347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, many ROM hacks don't work on real hardware. < 1331091204 983669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES is different from SNES so NES emulation work better and modern homebrew softwares for NES are usually tested both on emulators and on the real hardware. < 1331091275 624670 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, obviously there are things that work on emulators and not real SNESes which it shouldn't run. < 1331091279 731967 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just making a bad joke ;) < 1331091292 776394 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many bible games it can't (but probably can) run! < 1331091442 206460 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't realize that bsnes covered NES and GBC too. < 1331091642 454643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's recent < 1331091647 313036 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Yeah, but it doesn't have full compatibility with those. < 1331091664 335246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just done by byuu for kicks. < 1331091668 408352 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: The page doesn't indicate that ;) < 1331091685 484947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine he'll be working on those a bit more now. < 1331091710 995279 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, much less necessary; IIRC, Nestopia does NES perfectly, and Gambatte does GBC perfectly. < 1331091832 957735 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that Super Noah's Ark Blaster 3D is the only real notable non-licensed game for the SNES. < 1331091937 60117 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, a blogger for the entirely-incomprehensible blog championofbirds.com emailed me asking me if he could give an interview for the nonsense blog. On the advise of some friends, I decided it would be amusing to accept, if only to see WTF they'd ask. Well, here's the list of questions: http://sprunge.us/bYQT < 1331091968 103469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i approve < 1331091995 766916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I love the "Shoot Yourself" song, can you tell us about the inspiration for that jingle? < 1331091998 950739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt it kill yourself < 1331092002 132653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly recall < 1331092004 960406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISTINCTLY RECALL < 1331092006 40333 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1331092017 123567 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He loves it, but not enough to remember its name. < 1331092045 742698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : If we give you a hat, will you take a picture of a look that kills with the hat on? < 1331092046 335221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1331092071 979880 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if I can extort a hat out of random internet people, I'm not going to refuse! < 1331092109 179181 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember when everybody said "multimedia"? < 1331092121 491340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unimedia < 1331092129 400098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :morse code only < 1331092155 81678 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unimedium < 1331092157 757299 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Before his time. < 1331092160 392471 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A *single* morse code only. < 1331092180 343323 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Oh, hardly. < 1331092223 680002 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You were born, what, 96? < 1331092225 12296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the gnarliest disease or injury you've ever had?" looks like a shoe-in for a certain foot picture which i have managed to avoid < 1331092229 347580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 < 1331092241 759699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: YES link the foot. < 1331092245 812454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's shoo-in, isn't it < 1331092246 85528 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OH MAN I didn't even think of that also the phrase is "shoo-in" < 1331092250 287879 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Okay. So, he would've been 5 in 2000. < 1331092252 456537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foot-in < 1331092257 842939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but yes, i do < 1331092261 851002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ha take that pikhq_ < 1331092263 699514 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "shoe-in" makes just as much sense by way of "foot in the door," as elliott points out. < 1331092264 129726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was on the 'net at 5 < 1331092268 645446 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foot-in-mouth disease < 1331092272 922807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: fsvo point out < 1331092274 534374 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't on the 'net at 5. :-( < 1331092297 84859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think timestamps ought to be signed or unsigned? (In my opinion, they should be unsigned if 32-bits and signed if 64-bits.) < 1331092305 939038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't. < 1331092313 2397 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, not many people were in 1995. < 1331092353 939148 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was barely on the 'net at 2000. < 1331092356 231416 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think? < 1331092360 463697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think my grandmother was, though... < 1331092371 250701 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, she would've been by then. < 1331092419 555664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also didn't really speak English in 2000. < 1331092423 309344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Signed and of arbitrary size. < 1331092468 881428 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The epoch should be in 2012. < 1331092476 571601 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time doesn't really count before there. < 1331092487 743649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ere/en/ < 1331092500 758393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spoke english in 2000 < 1331092506 264515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was on the net in 1992 or was it 1991 neener neener < 1331092520 820526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oooooold < 1331092538 808810 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think signed 64-bits is sufficient for nearly all uses. < 1331092561 136134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they always say < 1331092595 177210 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, 1992 was a good year. < 1331092604 246876 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the few cases which it would be insufficient, you can use 128-bits or bignums) < 1331092613 811885 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the oerjanember thing. < 1331092645 607462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even speak English in 1991. < 1331092659 848070 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... or any other language) < 1331092668 964833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wat < 1331092678 237514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Nor did I! < 1331092715 60031 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is especially difficult to speak a language before you've been born. < 1331092729 251884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also pretty tricky after. < 1331092736 616077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is shachaf younger than pikhq < 1331092755 964026 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make no guarantees about being younger than pikhq. < 1331092806 212995 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... seem to be second oldest in this particular group X_X < 1331092834 119935 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was born March 23, 1990. Take that as thou wilt < 1331092904 386344 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ sure is old. < 1331092956 580292 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs oerjan's cane and shakes it at all you whippersnappers. < 1331093002 872497 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 28 according to elliott. < 1331093016 222583 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in reality? < 1331093018 338771 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get off my lawn. < 1331093029 878494 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion is a rogue element. < 1331093032 842020 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GEROFF OUR LAWNS < 1331093044 4590 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giraffe my pond. < 1331093057 318326 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Who knows about reality? < 1331093060 477936 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mysterious thing. < 1331093062 224639 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 28 according to zzo38’s time type. < 1331093086 997415 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The World According to Elliott sounds like a dangerous place. < 1331095086 333138 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331095319 671324 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: How does that work, exactly? < 1331095422 957757 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-58.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331095988 929424 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-119.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331096915 228633 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331097431 328572 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what. I'm tired of the spec for BBBBBBBBBBBBBB not existing. < 1331097437 176104 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone write it please. That's an order. Thank you. < 1331097510 765820 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you should use GoogleChrome OS X as your primary Linux distro. < 1331097521 737823 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://susestudio.com/a/LkcUZJ/googlechrome-os-x < 1331097541 380019 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it's that horrible trademark violation. < 1331097546 899940 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick trademarkFiend < 1331097554 844839 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9IT WILL NOT ESCAPE MY WRATH < 1331097604 501040 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Then you write it please. < 1331097612 313176 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331097614 516480 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean the BBBBBBBBBBBBBB) < 1331097626 415373 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I order myself not to do it. So there. < 1331097652 658034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You know what. I'm tired of the spec for BBBBBBBBBBBBBB not existing. < 1331097653 146423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vY3lpbQ < 1331097653 801120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1331097675 964647 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very accurate. < 1331097731 676901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1331097738 562327 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats qqqqqqqqqqq < 1331097762 610168 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the qs are bs but they fell a hinge loose < 1331097783 703129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1331097810 304026 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's BBBBBBBBBBBBB, not BBBBBBBBBBB. < 1331097826 169716 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come those look like they differ by only one or two characters when they actually differ by three... < 1331097835 471863 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats qqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1331097837 971203 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "BBBBBBBBBBBBB" - length "BBBBBBBBBBB" < 1331097838 773539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1331097843 14057 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Three. < 1331097864 854470 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, it's BBBBBBBBBBBBBB, not BBBBBBBBBBBBB or BBBBBBBBBBB. < 1331097870 191461 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1331097897 143241 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And. BBBBBBBBBBBBBB is a cellular automaton where each cell is in one of five states at any given time. < 1331097905 455937 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1331097921 378380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im excited. qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq excites me. < 1331097961 93511 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inactive states are ' ', '.', and '_'; the active states are '#' and '@'. ' ' cannot transition to any other state; '.' can only transition to '#' and vice versa; and '_' can only transition to '@' and vice versa. < 1331098097 113996 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a cell is '.' or '#' at time n, then it is active at time n+1 if and only if (it was active at time n-1 XOR an odd number of its neighbors are active at time n) is true. < 1331098118 410228 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For '_' and '@', likewise, except s/an odd number of/at least one of/. < 1331098119 111350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1331098123 583483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1331098123 770139 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuh uh. < 1331098127 385874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was active at time" < 1331098129 358796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a CA man < 1331098134 833275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get the previous state < 1331098146 487004 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. There are nine states. < 1331098153 598717 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pukes < 1331098163 288774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pukes < 1331098175 878680 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on. WireWorld had three states; BBBBBBBBBBBBBB has only nine. < 1331098176 222422 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is a lot of states, man < 1331098184 80214 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine is less than three, so BBBBBBBBBBBBBB is better than WW. < 1331098240 180422 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if Chrome OS Linux is any better. < 1331098251 690533 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, it stands for... "Benightment Bicentennial Blastocyte Big Brother < 1331098253 327288 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1331098263 275122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no e in qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1331098272 764679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no we in hi < 1331098326 38228 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Benightment Bicentennial Blastocyte Big Brother Bearableness Barristering Bacteremic Benzylic Blaze Bilobate Beforehand Bardlike Bimedian". < 1331098363 773669 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331098384 600841 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. It's not an acronym. It's actually a spelling of the first two bars of the song "Three in the Morning (RJ's I Can Barely Sleep In This Casino Remix)". < 1331098404 562595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually a robot < 1331098405 444335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boop < 1331098406 668062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331098410 676498 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1331098414 769797 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kiled eliot < 1331098421 871802 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, Chrome OS Linux actually uses Chrom(ium) < 1331098425 800022 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBBBBBBBBBBBBB < 1331098432 939059 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to doing something like defaulting with Firefox. < 1331098435 595033 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in shock. < 1331098443 183730 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may need to go to the hospital. < 1331098457 594211 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should see a doctor about that < 1331098513 640451 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: say, can you tell me if there's ever an updotch? < 1331098542 917657 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1331099017 23571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331099024 408096 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331099068 594487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1331099084 356952 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1331099684 467479 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331099685 974628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever created an esolang that destroyed the world < 1331099704 949443 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331099712 300932 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Esolangs cannot exist in a vacuum. < 1331099740 214405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1331099747 219180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the world still exists? < 1331099791 643824 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why does elliott hate me? < 1331099811 375471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're insufficiently purely functional < 1331099824 750103 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331099835 88697 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331099836 680091 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does CL get called functional? < 1331099843 941061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, the International Earth-Destruction Advisory Board lists the current geocide count at 1, so I'm forced to conclude that the world has been destroyed at least once. < 1331099847 424175 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331099850 802183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew I shouldn't have taken those pills. < 1331099857 793448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it has first-class functions < 1331099863 320868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In September 2008, apparently. < 1331099870 527647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you invent any esolangs in September 2008? < 1331099889 216454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, you could check Category:2008 for mine < 1331099890 666032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1331099892 435753 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely Feather was invented at all points in history, so yes. < 1331099906 46023 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331099918 827129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Probably"? You don't have that many esolangs. < 1331099919 216652 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331099939 197363 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little known fact: ais523 is the pseudonym of famous esolang inventor ais524. < 1331099943 589744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no, only all points after it was originally invented < 1331099965 156046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, < 1331099966 847953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How's Feather? < 1331099982 100076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't worked on it for ages < 1331099984 685831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't plan to in the near future < 1331099989 708240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why does CL get called functional? <-- it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. < 1331100025 9123 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient Athens? < 1331100027 250386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Why does CL get called functional? it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. < 1331100031 12943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :819) Why does CL get called functional? it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. < 1331100037 964865 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Sgeo_ < 1331100041 104554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) Sgeo_: Gregorr: and someone could, by mistake, rewrite psox to be a weak erection if it is... A filename. \ 118) And... WTF is it doing. :( Is it sexing? \ 335) I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me \ 425) "system is fairly sane imagine if the roomba was called the Robotic Magic Vacuum would you < 1331100059 509973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: well ok not _all_ of ancient greece, but more than athens < 1331100069 261633 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Sgeo_ < 1331100072 598211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32065 < 1331100151 7324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes Sgeo < 1331100154 473766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25347 < 1331100176 724105 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 2008 was 4 years ago. :-( < 1331100191 944815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yse. < 1331100202 533862 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yse, indede. < 1331100206 466137 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was 4 years ago :-) < 1331100209 888007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indelible. < 1331100224 491325 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was a bad year and I'm glad it was 4 years ago. if only it was more than 4 years ago :-) < 1331100230 76161 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2080 4 yeasr aog < 1331100236 315103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331100250 365965 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(- < 1331100316 496329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: waht was abd about 2008 < 1331100348 233239 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember i try to forget < 1331100377 237453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, < 1331100383 878662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ab ad person u are, < 1331100393 797468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was, in 2008 < 1331100422 330870 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monyq si gooodo persn < 1331100522 217884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bad, forever, die, < 1331100524 368889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3, < 1331100529 524688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is the symbol of death) < 1331100531 729756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in myculture) < 1331100552 883165 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : DEATH TO MONQYS < 1331100566 100322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :raciste < 1331100647 63852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, synchronicity < 1331100648 627801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan < 1331100705 330284 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should food. < 1331100712 513630 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1331101232 627021 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I prefer "specieste" < 1331101256 130852 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy "not a human, rip" < 1331101274 190864 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought monqy was a monqy. < 1331101279 435183 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is < 1331101287 857080 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would ever think otherwise < 1331101297 278376 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say that exact same line in #jesus and someone goes off on how "should" is sin. < 1331101301 271423 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have his/her/its head/head-analogue/help < 1331101309 281635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does monqy have three heads. < 1331101361 792541 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1331101464 813276 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331101481 700668 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 1.5? < 1331101483 102217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331101509 811318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: why do you talk to #jesus people < 1331101511 605441 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 is enough almost for me < 1331101515 37281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not yoru friendsnds < 1331101523 429809 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo still jesuses? < 1331102566 170092 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :iamasleep < 1331102568 908267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey, you edited Burn, this means you need to figure out how it works < 1331102597 275926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1331102599 912223 :iamasleep!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared|Sleep < 1331102606 626339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try < 1331102607 874199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it doesn't" < 1331102651 35332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :find more programs or shit < 1331102654 111186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write them :p < 1331102703 815067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im go a sleep, so < 1331102712 92209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night! < 1331102718 945106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know I only ever wrote one < 1331102744 418542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :find some notes on it or something :P < 1331102745 670988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and night :) < 1331103030 713053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331103254 32644 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VisualOnly: when set, tells the game engine that this object is there purely for the players enjoyment (visually) and has NO effect on the other objects on the playfield. An object with this flag set will still receive most of the normal messages ... This flag should ONLY be set by an object when it TRULY will never again have any effect upon any other objects on the playfield. Otherwise, the replay feature of Mesh will be broken. ..." < 1331103338 540025 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't true; I have tested it. (In my own clone Hmeif, I will probably call it something else; it won't implement animations and stuff that Kaser's engine does, so "VisualOnly" isn't a good name for it) < 1331103366 258597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are other uses for such a thing rather than only display. < 1331103435 819505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pay me and i will get drunk and acquianted with whores. pay me not and i shall slumber and brew mead from the potatos i buried in my garden.. alas i don't know how you can garner my help < 1331103476 669064 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Unless I intend to purchase something from you, I do not intend to pay you. < 1331103520 453427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine. :D < 1331103536 567412 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think of that < 1331103573 399308 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are you describing just now? < 1331103593 374464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( idiot tidus just google the quote ) < 1331103611 988401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know it isn't a webpage; I found the text in a Windows help file. < 1331103620 391788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The old non-HTML style) < 1331103630 703700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa awesome < 1331103715 111432 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Mesh engine, animation can break replayability, and object references are simply machine pointers (the only datatype is unsigned 32-bit integers) so this can cause GPF as well. I intend Hmeif to do differently; being cross-platform, and having four datatypes instead of just one. < 1331103750 903842 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 32-bit unsigned integer * class ID * message ID * object reference < 1331103754 37404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1331103763 303344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing. < 1331103789 639000 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In level editor, there shall be no "object reference" type; instead there is "string" type, which is converted to the 32-bit unsigned integer type at runtime.) < 1331103807 521834 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i see your levels on the page < 1331103824 439895 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't very good I make new levels and pieces is better. < 1331103866 1689 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did look at the file and the level format seems easy enough to convert to my new program. Classes could be partially converted using the exported ASCII format. < 1331103915 82585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the interesting-ness of a game engine's level format is inverse to the level of documentation of said format? < 1331103926 73263 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to improve some things, such as supporting global functions; and deliberately remove some things, such as Animate() and Level and so on. < 1331103947 684619 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I don't know. But I do know the Mesh engine documentation does contain some errors and I know how they really work. < 1331103966 445682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if the documentation is too thorough and spoon-fed then the whole exercize of reading it may seem boring < 1331104081 276754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own one will be licensed under GPL and written in CWEB, so you can refer to the printout of the program to understand the internal code structure. (Mesh engine's documentation of internal code structure is not as well written as TeX's internal code documentation, for instance) < 1331104275 887980 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other strange things in the compiler: Things such as "MsgFrom.Misc3" is considered a read-only variable even though it isn't; and "Move(Self, DirNW)" and so on seems to compile to a single instruction which acts differently than "Move(Self, x)" does (the former *adds* the Strength to the Inertia instead of setting the Inertia to the Strength). < 1331104671 638638 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331105976 301265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay my automatic (finite cell) bf to qdeql translator seems to be working < 1331105996 916817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well on the examples i already constructed by hand, anyway < 1331106031 971313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finite number of cells < 1331106044 883407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cells themselves are unbounded, that's sort of the point < 1331106223 714792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/qdeql/BFQdeql.hs is the program so far) < 1331106308 48386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/qdeql/ contains some example output (starting with gen)) < 1331106891 310873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to get some sort of OerjansTerriblePuns GHC extension done. < 1331106976 451907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331107084 624202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NamedFieldPuns. There's precedent. < 1331107090 830410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331107431 525200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1331107645 671083 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-039-160.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331107772 95327 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-041-216.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331109323 44184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331109932 649389 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331110005 158616 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331110660 153147 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331112023 929481 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mesh engine says nothing about changing the Inertia during a move, but it does work. The documentation also says the bit 15 of the return value of MSG_HIT and MSG_HITBY are "reserved, must be set to 0" but actually it does have a meaning, which is to retry the move (but maybe not for diagonal moves). < 1331112176 861594 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331112240 20158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331113324 608439 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is Hmeif something you're making similar to mesh? < 1331113413 231518 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you did say above its a clone... but anyway.. --- < 1331113494 69668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, something similar. Using SDL. And most of the same features, but with a few things added and a few things removed. < 1331113707 130267 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I intend nearly all existing Hero Mesh puzzles (except ones breaking replayability) to work once they have been converted. (The Hero Mesh level format looks simple enough that I can convert it, although it does some things such as store numbers longer than it needs to.) < 1331113867 316654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331114148 135800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331114319 138175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I disagree with the topic, in that I believe a language can be sub-TC but still useful < 1331114494 215936 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for example Python with a rule that no program can run more than 10 years would still be a useful language < 1331114568 763117 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does useful mean that you can produce mathematical proofs with it? :D < 1331114639 560802 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example.. in brainfuck.. you could write hello world with just + and . < 1331114672 687707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful means it has a use < 1331114685 960741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. +. BF is inferior in pretty much every way to, say, uuencoded text < 1331114698 39714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that it's not that useful < 1331114737 603174 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so easy to think of useless things < 1331114780 471114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in reality our programs run on machines with finite storage < 1331114815 781730 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is difficult to think of things which aren't boring < 1331114832 229841 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so each language implementation is not turing complete, even if the abstract languages are < 1331114872 904755 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a dinosaur with a head, a cat with a crayon, an X with a Y, a cat with a cat, a face with a mole.. detonates < 1331114882 416712 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The abstract language C isn't Turing-complete, is it? < 1331115217 707742 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :destructuring-case makes me feel less sad about investigating Common Lisp < 1331115284 458097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's a push-down automaton, and TC if you're allowed to use files < 1331115310 234192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, files. < 1331115333 451283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(push-down automaton can be done using register auto variables in a recursive function which contains no non-register auto variables or non-register parameters; because you can't take a pointer to them, there's nothing preventing you having an infinite number of stack frames) < 1331115334 329950 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's still a maximum path length, isn't there? < 1331115344 35274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can store infinite data in one file < 1331115371 75023 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by using relative seeks. < 1331115375 58246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331115381 96622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just absolute seeks to 0 each time < 1331115390 529237 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even comprehend how everyone here knows so much about these things < 1331115393 411589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not sure about that one, actually < 1331115400 497785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be worth creating a simple esolang to test that < 1331115404 570623 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean literally can't fathom it.. < 1331115442 673790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make it a BF derivative to annoy Phantom_Hoover < 1331115444 457381 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331115454 378877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think anyone really "agrees" with the topic; that's why it is the topic. < 1331115456 920478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see… identical to BF, apart from instead of moving one space left, < moves to the start of the tape < 1331115466 239185 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one organize ones thoughts in such a way as to learn so effectively < 1331115479 874083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: have you ever tried to write esoprograms? < 1331115483 491409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not languages, programs in them < 1331115533 824018 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no and neither. but uhhh maybe i should say it this way.. you're knowledgable in some field < 1331115541 837979 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not from your perspective... < 1331115558 605191 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is as if you are rich with knowledge of these things < 1331115600 570723 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if you collect these facts as readily as X collects a lot of Y < 1331115625 216586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331115627 530500 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the other question is have you plateud? < 1331115636 76441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I find esoprogramming more useful for learning about esolangs than esolang development < 1331115646 860173 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has everyone here more or less reached a plateau... or is it all very vital and healthy < 1331115714 541169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have new insights less often than I used to < 1331115720 930609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sill happens occasionally < 1331115725 439733 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1331115778 169696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think back-to-start-< BF is TC, actually; you can store two counters in unary on the tape with 1s, separated by a 0, and increment, decrement, and zero-test them independently < 1331115818 879503 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331115826 928719 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not trying to be depressing. i guess im looking for the grim reality side of things.. since nothing is all ideal and perfect all of the time < 1331115848 456856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still < 1331115928 425124 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among some of my favorite plans is a plan to create my own construced natural language and use it to think to myself < 1331115976 16911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite ambitious < 1331115981 392644 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i think about this it occurs to me that no matter what natural language i think up.. it will still be possible for me to convert it back to english < 1331115981 871003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you think in a language at all, though < 1331115992 418879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain I don't think in English < 1331115998 247127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can convert my thoughts into English, e.g. to type them < 1331116017 602242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but occasionally I'll start writing a sentence and then realise I don't know all the words in it in English, and get stuck < 1331116030 225296 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. it all seems pointless if all natural languages are isomorphic < 1331116042 917164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How do you decrement the counter? < 1331116063 193784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>]+>-[>]- for the first counter < 1331116069 517022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>]>[>]- for the second counter < 1331116082 701829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is starting from the first cell, obviously) < 1331116092 930583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1331116097 663486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that makes no sense < 1331116098 340341 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... at the same time i am incredibly biased about english since i have never known any other language. < 1331116118 854408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired < 1331116125 965392 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is to become more powerful via a new language < 1331116135 314621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: When you've [>]'d to the separating zero, it sounds like it'd be slightly too late to decrement any more. < 1331116136 630564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess you need three cuonters < 1331116151 573695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you always increment at the end and decrement at the start < 1331116180 91024 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the point of making my own language is similar to how nostalgia works < 1331116189 568848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you have (increment first+decrement second), (increment second+decrement third), (increment third) < 1331116195 516262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you complete control over the second and third counters < 1331116203 968328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first is just junk < 1331116212 163677 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. if some kid decided to simulate table tennis today and made pong.. noone would care.. it wouldn't be a big seller < 1331116234 508974 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the nostalgic and historic value attached to pong encourages people to clone it again and again < 1331116254 711406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still isn't a big seller < 1331116271 98563 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this way... if i create my own conlang... it will have value for me because i made it < 1331116298 961818 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it wouldn't be better than a conlang anyone else made < 1331116711 867476 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in all i have no idea what avenues it could open up for my thinking < 1331116732 105025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, anyone here know how you write a literal hyphen in math mode in LaTeX? < 1331116736 779423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a literal n-dash would be good < 1331116741 583553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither \- nor -- works < 1331116816 808092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put any "regular text" in an \mbox{} if that's what you want. < 1331116825 703691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be typeset by the "surrounding text" font and so on. < 1331116834 576673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it inside a mathsf, really < 1331116841 828147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :textsf, sadly, is not a text-mode version of mathsf < 1331116864 430528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the predecessor papers have been naughty and used mathsf for things that are supposed to be interpreted as a single word, not a long multiplication < 1331116942 935431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, I found it with a search, it's nontrivial < 1331117002 836197 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1331117004 261102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to define an escaped-hyphen thing yourself < 1331117006 379430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1331117023 719556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.logic.at/staff/salzer/etc/mhyphen/ recommends \mathchardef\mhyphen="2D (and it seems to work) < 1331117067 170198 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331117078 617440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amsmath also has a \text{x} that works in math mode and adjusts at least the font size, not sure if it adjusts the family though. < 1331117092 650889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not. < 1331117173 696703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I can really tell the difference in a hyphen. < 1331117191 92923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dash is a dash is a dash. < 1331117324 101118 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331117552 161225 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db437cb.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331117764 253171 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331120808 984864 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331121258 830560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331124913 44578 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-154-119.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1331124931 222491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331125171 60911 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-193.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331126234 395370 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331126260 438054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting very sceptical of lutusp's views on economics. < 1331126514 923285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, he seems to think that if you don't have enough capital to hand to pay off any conceivable loss you're living beyond your means. < 1331127172 919807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds vaguely related to the insurance-is-a-lie thing. < 1331127365 303790 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331127516 39725 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-195.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331127517 364770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331127526 627592 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-99.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331127902 992849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, it's an extension to that. < 1331128323 279762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :total risk avoidance is not an evolutionary optimal strategy < 1331128424 396147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He keeps going on about self-insurance, which seems to be simply hanging onto the money and investing it. < 1331130577 999605 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216213642] < 1331130973 276601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331133357 552502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331133927 400873 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331134322 453882 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331134472 516370 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331134528 903142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1331134544 16117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331138491 98346 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: - - < 1331138532 834627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr - – — – - < 1331138533 86304 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331138539 699544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc - – — – - < 1331138539 886540 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :45. < 1331138544 585687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1331138550 294255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ord "- – — – -" < 1331138551 144715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [45,32,8211,32,8212,32,8211,32,45] < 1331138624 152938 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^chr - - < 1331138624 339454 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331138624 819778 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: gsi-ffs.scm just has a tendency to give procedures meaningful, spelled out, names, unlike " fnord)" < 1331138626 110013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331138686 486191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: gsi-ffs.scm just has a tendency to give procedures meaningful, spelled out, names, unlike " fnord)" < 1331138686 709438 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i already looked at museme? < 1331138694 319527 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :820) Phantom_Hoover: gsi-ffs.scm just has a tendency to give procedures meaningful, spelled out, names, unlike " fnord)" < 1331139223 758033 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331139344 27054 :PiRSquared|Sleep!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :HalfTauRSquared < 1331139550 48879 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1331139824 329644 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-223-180.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331139849 358671 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-99.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331140230 362725 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331140465 399425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^ord. < 1331140470 869991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord - – — – - < 1331140471 56777 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 32 226 128 147 32 226 128 148 32 226 128 147 32 45 < 1331140484 817798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do multibytes, though. < 1331140498 759431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather, doesn't convert them to codepoints like that. Of course it "does" them. < 1331140550 598040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1331140565 618266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331140581 255194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The decimal-input in ^chr isn't exactly very resilient. < 1331140637 805232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 80 < 1331140637 992095 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1331140639 909579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 7: < 1331140640 96572 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1331140666 438374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 6D < 1331140666 625027 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1331140688 159980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chr 9& < 1331140688 347084 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1331140726 507355 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :......... wow < 1331140788 212164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show chr < 1331140788 438242 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>[->+10<]>[-<+>]<2-48[>+<-],]>. < 1331140831 885521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual *= 10, += x-48 style thing. < 1331140837 282595 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :What kind of juice do you like? What do you do while you drink juice? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331141016 705667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juice: http://p.zem.fi/vjrz < 1331141483 452105 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331142856 169969 :HalfTauRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about lime juice? that matches the theme < 1331143166 487326 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:17:34: ais523: I don't think anyone really "agrees" with the topic; that's why it is the topic. < 1331143171 609654 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth < 1331143175 503649 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also give them back please) < 1331143238 285934 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink juice while drinking juice. < 1331143244 375588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I like tautologies. < 1331143270 214159 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:53: no and neither. but uhhh maybe i should say it this way.. you're knowledgable in some field < 1331143270 404280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:19:01: maybe not from your perspective... < 1331143270 591171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:19:18: but it is as if you are rich with knowledge of these things < 1331143270 591363 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:20:00: as if you collect these facts as readily as X collects a lot of Y < 1331143270 591464 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:20:25: yep < 1331143276 774457 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to fathom how ais523 said yes to a statement this meaningless < 1331143283 754849 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "yep" < 1331143365 927026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ranted in another room.. what someone finally said was < 1331143372 255658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you should stop talking out of your arse < 1331143372 647603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and do something productive instea < 1331143390 637202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-223-180.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331143394 490847 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331143461 746422 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't suppose you plan to follow this advice < 1331143465 438125 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in another chatroom... < 1331143473 368176 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punktuashun: Just like Buddha, or Pacman, or facebook, or Coke? Itidus... seriously... < 1331143473 837733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :punktuashun: You need to go out and get some fresh air. < 1331143501 349422 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am happy I did not see the nonsense that preceded that. < 1331143565 612689 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331143599 482378 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:11: and in this way... if i create my own conlang... it will have value for me because i made it < 1331143599 669244 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:38: even though it wouldn't be better than a conlang anyone else made < 1331143599 669441 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:38:31: all in all i have no idea what avenues it could open up for my thinking < 1331143605 250351 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the sapir-whorf hypothesis is discredited. < 1331143606 29945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10*45 < 1331143606 790938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 450 < 1331143613 190340 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10*45/60 < 1331143613 977647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.5 < 1331143665 882043 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331143734 130805 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331143787 142565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i won't beat around the bush.. i'll posit < 1331143987 142994 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit that i and probably most people don't expect any changes by learning a second or additional common natural language.. and it can't be denied that hyperpolyglots don't seem to be making much noise about the wonders of language learning. < 1331144261 718236 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the sapir whorf hypothesis discredited i suppose this also extends to new languages like esperanto, lojban and toki pona.. but i still think there is some hope of avoiding trauma associated with certain words by having a new set of words perhaps representing a different culture or philosophy.. or perhaps.. as a countering to marketing tactics which emphasise the power of words and repetition < 1331144262 231229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of words etc < 1331144295 478856 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1331144308 743536 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331144327 842328 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, that Haskell-vs-Python post is on proggit again. < 1331144329 964340 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1331144332 568234 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*post's author < 1331144362 350309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically.. i am trying to clean the words in my head < 1331144375 160104 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are so dirty < 1331144416 224847 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious, has anyone here done scientific computing? If so, what programming areas are used? < 1331144455 390982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if associations are based on concepts rather than the words that describe concepts then i would be royally screwed from the beginning of this plan < 1331144570 401761 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Ask fizzie, he's a fake scientist. < 1331144625 422937 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake? < 1331144640 37355 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Self-efficacy&diff=prev&oldid=263751504#Citation_cleanup_needed :-P < 1331144682 958969 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm in the bottom section there it says, Erased [citation needed]; self-explanatory in nature. Citation logically needed due to the fact that 'Research shows' precedes the statement. Cleanup in this context and others would make a much cleaner page. < 1331144758 917260 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yes. < 1331144764 759521 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fakey fake. < 1331144772 539846 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that < 1331144808 750688 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone erased a citation needed and prefixed the sentence with "Research shows" and thought they could get away with it. wikispotting is fun < 1331144889 264425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Speech recognition is a well-established field of fake science. < 1331144951 622816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what "area" means there, though. < 1331145210 776901 :Maybach!~rooms@524B596C.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331145231 832220 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Maybach < 1331145234 949266 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybach: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331145236 269830 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably means category < 1331145243 427998 :Maybach!~rooms@524B596C.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl PART :#esoteric < 1331145244 168086 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D < 1331145300 723652 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "which programming categories are used?" < 1331145355 590963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to which i would guess all of them... < 1331145377 392271 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not qualified to say anything about computers honestly < 1331145395 72307 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, fuck off. < 1331145409 913060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-102-51-165.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331145434 61417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: One more point for your accurate welcomings, I guess. < 1331145475 366939 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm sniper. < 1331145492 573605 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how they all leave before we can < 1331145493 945341 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1331145494 473513 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :them. < 1331145497 274029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. < 1331145571 664784 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9606942/good-sound-libraries Hypothesis: No question tagged [python] [ruby] [node.js] [haskell] is good. < 1331145576 655145 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331145651 89289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tagged all four? o.O < 1331145660 35784 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1331145662 497010 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also [linux]. < 1331145757 958488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used fftw to make a spectrum analyzer in haskell once, that's probably very nearly the thing he asks for < 1331145789 68398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a binding for that or did I have to make one? < 1331145892 509240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly guesstimate there is. < 1331145902 550070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's the FFT library. < 1331145946 910753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm still unsure what the question was about; languages, libraries, "platforms", whatnot. < 1331145973 192175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But MATLAB is "the language of technical computing", that's what all their promotional literature says. < 1331145974 782130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's about node.js < 1331145984 491533 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/fft http://hackage.haskell.org/package/vector-fftw < 1331145995 963334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wat < 1331146013 945964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: JAVASCRIPT on the SERVER. < 1331146048 816171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Remember when that was all "the rage" circa early 2000s? < 1331146058 351765 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it mid-2000s. < 1331146059 944575 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I dont know" < 1331146074 824714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But I've heard of Node.js, so it must be pretty popular. < 1331146132 134631 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, that's JavaScript-on-the-server 2.0. < 1331146137 134100 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was A Thing way back, too. < 1331146148 479029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? Well, maybe it was. < 1331146162 325024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I head Node.js is all V8. < 1331146165 15619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard. < 1331146168 144279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't head it. < 1331146243 2937 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It i. < 1331146243 867404 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s. < 1331146247 250527 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331146397 888100 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ < 1331146398 89032 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : o | | | | < 1331146398 276909 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : _ __, _ _ __, _ _ __| | | __, _|_ ,_ _ __| < 1331146398 277096 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : |/ \_/ | | / |/ | / | / |/ | / | |/ \ / | | / | |/ / | < 1331146398 277202 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : |__/ \_/|_/|_/ | |_/ \_/|_/ | |_/\_/|_/ | |_/\_/|_/|_/ |_/|__/\_/|_/ < 1331146400 367561 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\| < 1331146455 315473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▄ ▄ ▝ ▄ ▄ ▄ ▌ ▌ ▄ ▟▖▖▖▗ ▌ < 1331146455 502408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▙▘▄▌▐ ▌▌ ▄▌▌▌▞▌ ▛▖▄▌▐ ▛ ▛▘▞▌ < 1331146455 502585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▌ ▀▘▝ ▘▘ ▀▘▘▘▝▘ ▘▘▀▘ ▘▘ ▝▘▝▘ < 1331146464 689039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had the terminal still open.) < 1331146540 110553 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pain and hatred party! < 1331146547 914074 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My kind of party. < 1331146609 881646 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, one of the lines got lost. < 1331146617 171360 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it started with a /. < 1331146711 400406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASP had javascript as an option :) < 1331146721 305246 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-226-52.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331146727 34367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: JScript, I think. < 1331146749 564743 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's like JavaScript, except nobody is allowed to expect them to follow the standards. < 1331146774 864202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Java six-I-mean-one-point-six-I-mean-what-do-I-mean? brought a standard "javax.script" built on Rhino or something. < 1331146804 996581 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-233-193.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331146821 296245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaXript < 1331146839 219132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's X-treme. < 1331146899 476587 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaKrypt. < 1331146904 534255 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get in... but you can't get out. < 1331146927 546776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can hear your scream... in the ANALOG HOLE. < 1331147056 547338 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that CSS sucks? < 1331147380 16641 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What doesn't suck/ < 1331147386 444424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@? < 1331147390 66709 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although things that are widely used standards may suck more. < 1331147403 568398 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then people actually have to deal with the suck, rather than walk away from the suck. < 1331147456 561689 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331147509 30649 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-226-52.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331147622 757316 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331147659 902409 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1331148314 773387 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19:02:07> Nobody can hear your scream... in the ANALOG HOLE. < 1331148316 664108 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction: < 1331148327 442865 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can year your scream... in your MATRIX OF SOLIDITY. < 1331148338 522478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think screams are yeared. < 1331148343 971578 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331148345 22265 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331148648 902094 :HalfTauRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :pir^2 < 1331148675 457323 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Reifies' is the best word ever. < 1331148702 28523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry phantom < 1331148774 700334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331148775 289526 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyyyy guess who just rewrote the http://esolangs.org/wiki//// spec???? < 1331148779 170325 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's me) < 1331148865 550853 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: basically I'm curious what types of programming skills would be emphasized. for example networking, concurrency (and maybe subcategories of these), etc < 1331148892 989547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i was just being a troll before,, i apologize < 1331148893 577971 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=///&oldid=3704 < 1331148911 588322 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rewrote it < 1331148915 977932 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1331148943 92185 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no apology necessary :) < 1331148989 598650 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you generate the quine? < 1331149003 352893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just happened to be selecting music for my winamp just now and stumbled upon loituma folder.. and i can't help feel uplifted < 1331149011 473983 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pir^2: I didn't write that quine... < 1331149011 663651 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, have you used canvas in javascript? is it slow? < 1331149031 12798 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pir^2: All that stuff is oerjan's doing. < 1331149038 472781 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used it. I haven't tried to do anything sophisticated enough to judge its speed. < 1331149065 778429 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. egojsout uses < 1331149067 254724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Based on my experiences, scientists as a group tend to not really emphasize "skill" in programming, more like horrible cobblering together of brittle messes. But of course knowing about parallelism would be useful if you work with large datasets, which is what most do. (But they've got things like MATLAB Distributed Computing Server to help in the dirty bits.) < 1331149068 785156 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uses it < 1331149069 495726 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan Does the /// program /// halt? It replaces all occurrences of the empty string in the empty string with the empty string. < 1331149069 683903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331149080 336799 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, ah okay I was thinking of trying to port FillyPaint from Java to Javascript.. since Java was failing me at cross platform compatibility < 1331149121 590570 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the point of Java? < 1331149131 494691 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java has no point. < 1331149131 681425 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: For something like that I can't imagine that canvas would be too slow. < 1331149144 361538 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks. I'm just trying to put some bs together to do well at a job interview.. since I've never done any scientific programming I figured my best shot would be to ephasize whatever component skills it required < 1331149155 500706 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emscripten can play video on a canvas at 30FPS, but that's just straight blitting *shrugs* < 1331149155 687210 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pir^2, you would think so, yes < 1331149161 91357 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool then < 1331149370 110884 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: What's one of the codepoints that are explicitly invalid, not just reserved for future use? < 1331149382 313538 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I know this >_> < 1331149396 829845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331149406 475926 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You know GOAT! < 1331149412 637800 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331149423 915906 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, U+FFFE and U+FFFF. < 1331149465 390333 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: GOAT is vital knowledge. < 1331149640 467006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It certainly doesn't seem to require at least very much skill in programming in order to be a scientist. But I suppose some pre-existing knowledge on the systems used could help. MATLAB was mentioned and is pretty popular esp. for prototyping algorithms, and quite often that's all one needs. I suppose in some fields you might easily encounter some R, or maybe some MPI stuff. And people actually still do some FORTRAN, but I doubt anyone ... < 1331149646 463396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... would assume a working FORTRAN knowledge. Then there's all kinds of maybe lesser-used things, like SciPy, as well as topic-specific tools. Oh, and things that have to do with "grid computing", like, uh... Hadoop/MapReduce, stuff like that. In general, people are not usually doing very "low-level" things, like networking, manually. < 1331149690 889665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the term "scientific computing" is far too vague to be answering in all these details. < 1331149717 448727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal operating procedure seems to be to find suitable components that are more or less related to what you're trying to accomplish, and bolt them together into a ball, instead of actually programming things. < 1331149736 69050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's a bit different if you actually end up implementing something that doesn't yet exist. < 1331149761 187431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it, I suppose. < 1331149807 317017 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks < 1331149818 815043 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I think he's nailed it < 1331149858 567007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Well, I was just trying to think of things that are sort of multidisciplinary, even if they happen to still be specific things that you very easily might not happen to encounter. < 1331149881 837032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of happening there. < 1331149888 86843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haps. < 1331150018 435280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they, my friends? < 1331150998 557518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331151426 663960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we've finished reading Salom and began Lady Windemere's Fan < 1331151585 576669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331151589 662198 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are the haps < 1331151748 615967 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-83.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331152611 996099 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Tell Phantom_Hoover he should watch TNG. < 1331153078 852401 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331153401 136445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott_ there's actually a bot that can tell people things. < 1331153401 459638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331153487 593349 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie Who do you trust more: lambdabot or the abstract concept of friendship itself? < 1331153487 781563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331153562 341627 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qkxns/new_research_has_been_published_that_states_that/c3yjo4t < 1331153570 819767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so the most sanctimonious comment was made. < 1331153674 601466 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's one of those arguments where I hate everybody on both sides. < 1331153674 947340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331153686 531998 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hatelove/lovehate those. < 1331153749 835857 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is 'Space' expanding into? (self.askscience) < 1331153751 351023 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not again. < 1331153753 485183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the other side isn't arguing in favour of using corporal punishment as a way of forcing obedience, but to stop the child from potentially killing itself. < 1331153765 11913 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, did I tell you about the time my chemistry teacher asked that. < 1331153791 567539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space doesn't exist except as an abstract notion. It's the things that exist that are spreading out in space. < 1331153796 815157 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say asked because she already knew that the answer was "nobody knows", even after I tried to explain it. < 1331153797 210181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rehearsing for reddit < 1331153821 658313 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's not an abstract notion, really. < 1331153828 195112 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know what the other side is arguing in favour of. < 1331153886 674608 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the perfectly concrete thing whereby stuff isn't all in the same place. < 1331153918 568277 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is! < 1331153920 538833 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That place is SPACE. < 1331153965 117939 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not great at explaining things. When I try to explain complex numbers, I make people lose all concrete grasp of mathematics. < 1331154053 349509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem that mathematicians don't actually know anything about space that the average joe doesn't know? < 1331154074 339500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrophysicisists in this case, itidus21. < 1331154079 642388 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a different kind of space < 1331154081 792684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's just the application of the Cayley-Dickson construction to the reals! < 1331154091 587777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh applied space < 1331154121 249838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, my explanation goes along the lines of "What do you mean they don't exist! No numbers exist! < 1331154214 249591 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1331154276 266837 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I think it's a lot easier to introduce if you just show them it as operations on tuples. < 1331154382 372620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but that doesn't explain the idea behind them < 1331154387 819296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I figured out complex numbers and I was like "wtf, they're just tuples". < 1331154399 983565 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, I spent tons of MENTAL PREPARATION. < 1331154423 538718 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be much much much easier if you didn't tell people beforehand that you can't take the square root of a negative number. < 1331154457 611436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only person who just understood complex numbers, without many analogies or other things of the sort? < 1331154467 841743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand.. i have failed to find the "wtf they're just X" in the quest to understand the various turing tarpit models of computation < 1331154474 549361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; they're not a 'hard' concept. < 1331154494 937213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one which most tend to be inclined against approaching from the right direction. < 1331154502 510258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now matrices I found confusing < 1331154529 680686 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like mattresses. < 1331154531 469081 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrices are just the action of a linear transformation on a basis. < 1331154543 72018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at the lingo. < 1331154549 215413 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the word "imaginary" does a lot of damage < 1331154647 122824 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A linear transformation is a function f from one vector space to another such that f(u + v) = f(u) + f(v) and f(ku) = kf(u). < 1331154690 421976 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A basis is any set of vectors such that you can't form any of them by adding the others together and scaling and you can make any other vector by adding and scaling them. < 1331154733 901007 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix mathematics are useful in many cases, including but not limited to vectors and so on. (You can also make up a matrix to act like complex numbers, and so on) < 1331154774 301696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gestures excitedly* matrices are eerily useful. < 1331154776 648804 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to show that for any matrix M, f(v) = Mv is a linear transformation, and two linear transformations which transform all the vectors of a basis in the same way must be the same. < 1331154864 519597 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have even thought of ways to use matrices for accounting too) < 1331154877 1612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrices remind me of CA's .. this leads me to ponder what algebra on CA's might mean. < 1331154959 773306 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, have you been shown the thing where you can get the matrix associated with a transformation by working out what it does to the points with 1 coordinate set to 1 and the others to 0? < 1331154969 995668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse running on a wheel in my head < 1331154992 33628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( mmmm cheese ) < 1331155026 896929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think so...? < 1331155043 650734 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 2x2 matrices, anyway < 1331155063 386545 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume the concept could be expanded into larger matrices < 1331155085 4665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1331155132 996758 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the principle behind it. < 1331155184 287030 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble with > 3 spatial dimensions is that we don't have any way of imagining what a world with 4d light, 4d water, 4d gravity, 4d animals, 4d plants, 4d houses, 4d planets, 4d solar systems, etc would look like < 1331155222 936768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just such an extremely hard prospect for the imagination < 1331155237 77645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in 3d we have 3d solids 3d gases 3d liquids < 1331155448 490640 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we can think about their properties, even if we cannot imagine how we would actually see them and do stuff with them < 1331155543 90000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flatland was a book on mathematical theory with thinly veiled satire on contemporary culture; Alice in Wonderland was a book on culture with thinly veiled satire on contemporary mathematical theory < 1331155606 611278 :pir^2!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :iambored < 1331155634 309013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't help but imagining everything to be kind of shiny.... < 1331155644 347530 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the sun shining on the ocean < 1331155660 907651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4 spatial dimensions < 1331155687 604862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not particulary healthy to think about too < 1331155733 426190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. if you had a 4d terrain.. could you run on it in 3 dimensions... and jump up in 1 dimension? < 1331155735 726602 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1331155746 165640 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I was really amused when a book of cruel and unusual geometry I found in school had one result in hyperbolic geometry which noted that Lewis Caroll said it was bullshit when he heard about it. < 1331155830 771940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lewis Caroll was the best mathematician/author/poet/photographer in Victorian England < 1331155865 540504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded everything i could find written by him online < 1331155865 847623 :xAnonymousx!~xAnonymou@app4.chatmosphere.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331155867 797530 :xAnonymousx!~xAnonymou@app4.chatmosphere.org QUIT :Client Quit < 1331155874 873306 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as is a pattern with me i didn't read it < 1331155971 671599 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1331155986 209400 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the question of 4d atoms.. 4d subatoms.. 4d elements.. 4d molecules.. < 1331156051 132059 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: If you know some things about physics and chemistry, you can try to think about such things as that; you could make up different laws of physics to describe them if it is necessary to do so, etc < 1331156054 542420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up through to 4d cells.. 4d tissue.. 4d organisms.. 4d species < 1331156062 798108 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331156094 561756 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have a strong intuitive sense that the water is extremely shiny in 4d land < 1331156102 811446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like diamonds almost < 1331156120 777042 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, I was trying to think of how to use complex numbers in accounting; and then I discovered that complex numbers have no use in accounting but matrices do have a use in accounting. < 1331156123 781237 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome rvchangue < 1331156131 320825 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rvchangue: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331156144 56886 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: But then you have to describe the way of shiny in four dimensions instead of three dimension < 1331156180 254124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably my senses lying to me a bit < 1331156201 965420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not actually thinking in 4d after all < 1331156208 449942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1331156209 883615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1331156214 235499 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an urge < 1331156215 970033 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to listen < 1331156219 995799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to sgeo's karaoke < 1331156244 294230 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ask Sgeo; I don't know. < 1331156340 353766 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you believe me that complex number have no use in accounting, but that matrices (and even Dirac notation) can have use in accounting? < 1331156357 515584 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, since complex numbers can be expressed as matrices? < 1331156383 399035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you may need to find out the root of all this negative income? < 1331156385 982515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1331156398 647252 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that complex numbers can be expressed as matrices. < 1331156406 332851 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD WHY DID I FORGET HOW AWFUL THIS IS < 1331156425 958233 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, HOW CAN YOU GET THE TIMINGS SO WRONG ALSO THE NOTES A(RTGAI < 1331156438 537162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, that isn't how it works... < 1331156472 316157 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a joke) < 1331156472 994810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so to see in 4d.. first you need a 3 dimensional retina < 1331156484 858337 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For one thing, there is a way to make matrices satisfy GAAPs, although complex numbers don't satisfy that and using them to find out the root of negative income certainly does not follow GAAPs.) < 1331156554 669435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1331156564 751641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-87-198.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1331156568 129462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably shaped like a pyramid < 1331156623 470751 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my brain gives out at that stage < 1331156634 211547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You probably will still be using standard double-entry notation to record transactions, although Dirac notation becomes useful for reasoning about them and describing them in various other ways, dealing with them in other ways, etc. However, if you write them in Dirac notation you can convert them to standard notation if you have the current state vector, since its meaning might be dependent on the current state vector.) < 1331156698 681650 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you understand a bit better> < 1331156844 83895 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I don't think you've ever managed to communicate anything to anyone. < 1331156866 624791 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might succeed if you tried to express your frustration at something,. < 1331156869 115030 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331157190 744234 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331157207 84325 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like orange juice < 1331157221 163987 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think about oranges < 1331157231 788695 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the elements in the state vector is just set to 1 so that a transaction can use that; it can be used to represent the currency unit, and you might have more than one such element in the state vector. Each account, or even a part of an account if you need to split it into multiple parts, can be represented by covectors. Do you know about double entry accounting? < 1331157340 622498 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the properties is that transactions (including macro transactions) forms a monoid. < 1331157539 678317 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any of this make any sense to anyone? < 1331157553 64120 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331157667 288616 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1331158097 442537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331158162 927789 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you include the date/time, then it forms a category. < 1331158252 124198 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331158565 354726 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331158974 811073 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, wait what, did you say "Dirac notation" and "double-entry notation" above? < 1331158981 16786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are those even remotely related? < 1331159006 692006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes I did say that. They are not related but you can see what I meant by that if you read it. < 1331159012 480828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is for representing quantum states as far as I understood, the other is for economic transactions < 1331159018 256231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no what you said makes no sense < 1331159037 731867 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True; you are correct. However, Dirac notation can be used with any matrices; not necessarily quantum states. < 1331159067 841087 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you may be correct, I never used dirac notation < 1331159071 73616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331159100 451309 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But just because Dirac notation can be used with any matrices, it doesn't mean it is commonly used for anything other than quantum states.) < 1331159146 845547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do you think what I said makes no sense? What parts are unclear to you? < 1331159149 500710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know quantum states were matrices, I haven't studied quantum mechanics at all beyond "popular science" < 1331159171 183609 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They can be represented as matrices. < 1331159180 21981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1331159194 164385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I know double entry bookkeeping were matrices < 1331159224 865257 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody did until I figured out how to represent them as matrices; and even then, nbodoy else understands what I mean. < 1331159253 884862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331159293 116443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, not sure what sort of matrix operations would even make sense on double entry book keeping though < 1331159303 753856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why is it an advantage to use that representation < 1331159349 155848 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get interesting results by, say, transposing them, or reducing them to row echelon form or such? < 1331159401 148341 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well? < 1331159482 990575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw and somewhere in a non-quantum context. Can't figure out where, though, so I might just be making it up. < 1331159483 217327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331159534 900954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't yet know about transposing them or reducing to row echelon form or such (I don't even know what row echelon form is); but it might turn out to mean something. < 1331159557 896732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you know how to solve a linear equation system using matrices? < 1331159562 988200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But multiplication of matrices, and using vectors and covectors, does have use that I know about. < 1331159570 487853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gauss Jordan method and such < 1331159574 642957 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know a few things about that. < 1331159593 691017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, when you do that you reduce your matrix to reduced row echelon form < 1331159627 729855 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes you are correct, you might be able to use those kinds of solve linear equation system to decide business stuff possibly. < 1331159633 60733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Row_echelon_form < 1331159639 238242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: O, that's what reduced row echelon form is. OK. < 1331159683 417515 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can think of other uses for row echelon form in matrix accounting. < 1331159705 256001 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, anyway, how /do/ you represent double entry book keeping as matrices? Can you give some examples typeset in TeX? (PDF please, I don't have a .ps or .dvi viewer on this computer) < 1331159761 45622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, row echelon form is the one where you haven't removed non-zeros above the leading ones in, /reduced/ row echelon form is the one where you have removed those non-zeros < 1331159771 571219 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have PDF, I only output to DVI. However, I can use PNG if you prefer that. < 1331159774 277554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you already happen to have uses for eigenvalues in matrix accounting? < 1331159784 113490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1331159790 963826 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awesome < 1331159792 774523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal row echelon form seems useless in this context but reduced row echelon form seems potentially useful to me. < 1331159841 125251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder what happens if you use the least square method on those matrices too. < 1331159853 146237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful to approximate in case of errors < 1331159859 366314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does mean you can think about such things as these to see what happen. < 1331159863 98804 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than having to redo it all to find the error as is usually done :P < 1331159893 324441 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: O, yes good idea. < 1331159907 627441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1331159923 66288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I forgot how you did that with matrices < 1331159940 316904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you transpose one matrix and multiply it with another or some such? < 1331159988 870289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1331160063 196847 :iambored!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1331160189 821668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This example matrix: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/texify/texify.php?TeX=%24%24%5Cbmatrix%7B1%260%26-5%5Ccr0%261%265%5Ccr0%260%261%5Ccr%7D+%5Cbmatrix%7B100%5Ccr-100%5Ccr1%5Ccr%7D+%3D+%5Cbmatrix%7B95%5Ccr-95%5Ccr1%5Ccr%7D%24%24&R=255&G=255&B=255&r=0&g=0&b=0&rotate=0&size=x&make=r Where you have a simple transaction -5 to one account and +5 to another (balancing out). You can have more complicated ones for Income Summary, salary/interest of pa < 1331160257 102841 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331160310 908536 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so all accounts are in the same matrix? < 1331160320 310808 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I know what "ref" and "rref" stand for in the names of those functions in the TI-92 calculator. I knew what they did but not why they were called that; now I do know. < 1331160320 900914 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331160338 97802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, same for TI-83+ btw < 1331160350 916668 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-92 can do symbolic computations can't it? < 1331160364 357335 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it can do that. < 1331160380 354021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so usually not allowed on exams (while the TI-83+ is on many) < 1331160429 573745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes; but you generally you can use a subset of all the accounts for convenience, or use Dirac notation for convenience. (You need not write out the entire matrix every time) < 1331160466 643313 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331160486 407876 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hm < 1331160525 806811 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes; the TI-92 is usually not allowed on exams; not only due to symbolic computations but also because it has a QWERTY keyboard, apparently. (Although there are a few special test papers which allow you to use any calculator you want) < 1331160541 790641 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so how do you make the financial statement (google translate from "bokslut" so might be wrong) at the end of the fiscal year using your matrices? < 1331160589 553155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm google translate also suggests "annual report" < 1331160593 235531 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that might be better < 1331160615 75628 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or balance sheet < 1331160616 435443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In general you still record using double-entry notation; but you can use the state vector to prepare a statement easily: Each element of the vector corresponds to an account, so simply put those numbers next to account names. You can also multiply all the transactions together for a year for other information. < 1331160639 252114 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331160656 579327 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hence how I have also said you can include the date/time and form a category as well instead of only a monoid.) < 1331160698 208451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You multiply all the transactions together, and print out the full matrix, then give that to your executives. They'll just smile and nod and not complain, which is what they might do if you gave them a list of transactions. < 1331160716 78642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Written from the perspective of an accountant.) < 1331160765 31099 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant you have to format the results. Printing out the full matrix is not very useful. < 1331160781 802817 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in addition would probably waste a lot of paper.) < 1331160798 242232 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1331160820 41774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure what skattemyndigheten would say though (whatever that is called in English) < 1331160837 32347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you are required to hand them some of those things in Sweden at least < 1331160884 963444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just hoping for "Linear Algebra for Accountants" courses in business schools. < 1331160886 331859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When I first invented matrix accounting, I did not know about category theory. But now I know how categories can work with it too.) < 1331160892 372925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331161228 2238 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past I have worked out the matrices for partnership accounting too; but I have forgotten now and would have to work them out again if I want to figure them out again. < 1331161460 72531 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TELL ME ABOUT GRASP. < 1331161480 222301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT TODAY NYAAAA < 1331161486 549411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1331161492 403286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sleep mode.) < 1331161504 583274 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did fizzie just evaporate? < 1331161510 975260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But Real Soon, I purrmise.) < 1331161520 974961 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Caregiver" and "caretaker" are synonyms. lolenglish < 1331161522 393687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie went fizzle < 1331161601 652766 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie seems to be having trouble getting a grasp on the issue. < 1331161610 185760 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I'm having trouble grasping his problem. < 1331161613 755901 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm grasping at straws here. < 1331161633 281737 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice it to say that much grasping is going on. < 1331161784 288257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's there to know about grasp? < 1331162101 99844 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To any who recall the questions I showed yesterday, I have now answered them. < 1331162117 208978 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What questions? < 1331162143 392919 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-03-07#034537Friendship < 1331162186 902239 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the answers. < 1331162187 89116 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I wrote out my answers while in front of a lab of students, so got some crowdsourcing for ideas. < 1331162195 255126 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZEjK < 1331162271 996115 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship, recommend hat for me. < 1331162282 177769 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know what you look like. < 1331162311 997226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put some messy brown hair on top of a face I guess? < 1331162326 135016 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for that precise description. < 1331162334 762787 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend a paper bag. < 1331162359 603021 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1331162359 983765 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > What was the motivation behind having people vote on your daily hat < 1331162360 170350 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > choice? < 1331162360 170549 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profound laziness. I used to actually make decisions, but found that < 1331162360 170656 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much easier for others to make all my decisions for me. See also < 1331162360 746406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `>' < 1331162360 939739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1331162361 126420 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :choosemyshoes.com, choosemydate.com, choosemysexualorientation.com, < 1331162362 971500 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1331162364 917221 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1331162366 683118 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You gotta register those before sending it. < 1331162387 372470 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, already sent; and I'm not wasting that money quite so haphazardly X-D < 1331162427 655466 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, it's 15 bucks. < 1331162432 363421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's still time before they read it. < 1331162440 645536 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, more like 30 bucks I guess. < 1331162442 589531 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth it. < 1331162460 470424 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Gregor "Sure, I'll spend $1000 on libc.so" Richards. < 1331162461 497472 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I'm not confident that I actually want to put my sexual orientation to popular vote. < 1331162473 477872 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: libc.so ain't the same as choosemyshoes.com < 1331162499 645050 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, Friendship would live in Texas if they had good universities. < 1331162501 902041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join me in mocking laughter. < 1331162531 679592 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hollow out bars of soap and fill them with liquid." Me too! < 1331162547 47325 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's not soap liquid I put in them. I've said too much. < 1331162552 332428 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1331162561 601093 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > Have you ever made yourself a hat? < 1331162561 787853 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes fold paper. Then I put it on my head. < 1331162562 299471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `>' < 1331162573 21324 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing Gregor with a paper crane on his head now. < 1331162629 445964 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Somehow you have managed to rescue these disastrous interview questions and made the result entertaining. < 1331162653 872745 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the goal. < 1331162664 492494 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the kill yourself song? < 1331162666 934428 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: HOWEVER, I am disappointed that you did not conspicuously predict one of the future questions in the answers. < 1331162673 619338 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the duty of all interviewees given all questions in advance. < 1331162683 347548 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1331162685 846687 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of now. < 1331162718 245140 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've been to Lancaster, England, UK;" < 1331162729 912308 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of all those other Lancasters. < 1331162733 496340 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all those other Englands. < 1331162769 655843 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a Lancaster, England, Massachusetts, US :) < 1331162779 546739 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past them to name a district "England" < 1331162789 385886 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, Massachusetts is England, except in America. < 1331162805 99628 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know what these united states need?" "What?" "England." < 1331162824 729401 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not their TAXES < 1331162866 387350 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK, now that we've built England, what are we gonna do with it?" < 1331162871 130723 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...TEA PARTY!" < 1331162874 559507 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alright! See you in Boston!" < 1331162883 926911 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- actual transcript < 1331162915 383440 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1331163296 80955 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331163798 139141 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE < 1331163846 146590 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331163901 514272 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1331163914 704197 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your face implode regularly? < 1331163945 721258 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331163947 820015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't yours? < 1331163964 474544 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Did you see my REWRITTEN [[:///]] INTRO? < 1331163969 20514 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+SPEC? < 1331163974 844848 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE < 1331163987 799014 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW LAME < 1331163990 674451 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :L A M E < 1331164175 588875 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y U P < 1331164574 816648 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Doesn't yours? <-- hm, exploding is more common than imploding in the Nordic countries. (Just ask oerjan) < 1331164599 333588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :though imploding still does happen occasionally of course. < 1331164657 536601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1331164669 630512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net