< 1331166192 733811 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331166908 95345 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge is being unfriendly >_> < 1331167405 543652 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso < 1331167421 406489 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot posting. < 1331167518 953742 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop posting snot. < 1331167573 224604 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhey, it started working again >_> < 1331167625 220628 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told you. < 1331167632 611358 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1331169134 370947 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dopkfwef < 1331169523 685140 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is show 0001 not returning “0001”? < 1331169523 920006 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just asking a quick simple question here. I'm trying to code poker card rankings into 4 digit binary code (exp. 2 is 0010, 7 is 0111)(ignoring the suits for now). Then decoding and print it out. < 1331169524 106611 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my knowledge the best way of changing a Int into a String is by using the function show. However, using it on this situation it drops all the zeros that is in front of the 1 (exp. show 0011 returns "11", show 0001 returns "1"). How do I keep the zeros? < 1331169524 106802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1331169532 221368 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Don't you just hate it when printing an integer drops all the 0s at the start of it? < 1331169552 833932 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That always happens to me! < 1331169571 251961 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1331169571 971526 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as if show can't distinguish The obviously-different number 0011 and eleven. < 1331169581 501396 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0011 < 1331169582 266032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1331169584 310673 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG < 1331169595 352054 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0011); /* :) */ < 1331169598 528556 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11.10 < 1331169599 289251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11.1 < 1331169601 567096 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1331169633 657239 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S EVEN MORE WRONG < 1331169661 374494 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It dropped the 0s. AND THE 1S. AND THEN IT INSERTED A 9. < 1331169674 471743 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder people call C unsafe. < 1331169676 959051 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("9\n", 234234); < 1331169679 221564 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1331169686 874817 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?! C drops 2s, 3s and 4s as well? < 1331169711 802802 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("9\n", "elliott"); < 1331169713 192960 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be using C99. < 1331169713 967146 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1331169749 453369 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 03641077); < 1331169751 699460 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :999999 < 1331169759 534463 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THERE NO DIGIT IT WON'T DROP IN FAVOR OF 9?! < 1331169789 784816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1331169887 35986 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it seems like you are converting it into integers rather than bytes integers are real numbers, so the zeros are removed. < 1331169890 14334 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to keep the zeros you have to keep the data as a string or create an array of bytes, if its converted into an integer the zeros are droped. < 1331169946 812396 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I got there, that answer had 1 points and the other one 0. :( < 1331169972 161158 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they both have 2. < 1331170207 644086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you upvote the bad one? :( < 1331170224 43200 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331170274 588934 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you SURE? < 1331170285 868144 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... < 1331170290 651612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is the bad one again? < 1331170300 912553 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like arrays of bytes. Arrays of bytes make good sense. < 1331170307 793125 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' byte arrays. You can always trust 'em. < 1331170332 49444 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't upvote any of them. I haven't logged in to SO in months.)) < 1331170480 200593 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1331170486 13177 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's opening the paren you accidentally closed.) < 1331170529 483094 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parentheses don't work that way. < 1331170535 462183 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1331170536 238196 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will remain unbalanced forever. < 1331170536 424718 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1331170538 275739 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1331170553 851160 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Actually I was closing an unbalanced '(' that was typed by monqy last week. < 1331170560 901493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now your '(' reunbalanced things. < 1331170590 763391 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pronounced "royn-balanced".) < 1331170619 804572 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1331170639 365511 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331170646 681305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1331170670 94297 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick shachaf( < 1331170675 46877 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:37 -!- shachaf( Erroneous Nickname < 1331170685 15925 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM RUBBER, YOU ARE GLUE < 1331170862 24383 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glue < 1331170932 654994 :[imbalanced[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331170937 279934 :[imbalanced[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1331170955 858233 :[imbalanced[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebalance THIS (((((( < 1331170998 107400 :cheater_!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-048.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331171036 394567 :[imbalanced[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :[[[[[[[[ < 1331171074 924949 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331171099 197500 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I wrote a cd command that isn't a shell builtin. < 1331171152 5746 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaspeheh < 1331171194 708292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby declare that | balances any single unbalanced bracket. < 1331171199 152799 :cheater__!~cheater@dslb-084-057-039-160.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331171400 540765 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331171401 95170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1331171558 712931 :[[[[[[[[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1331171595 168697 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331171612 966182 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1331171625 818594 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| < 1331171770 922750 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331171974 388639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :OCPD (Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder < 1331172138 405654 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331172473 698743 :[[[[[[[[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: )another way to keep your parentheses balanced( < 1331172518 285404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :( )( ) < 1331172722 547934 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)(())()())(()())(()()()()()()())()(())(())(())(()())(((())))()()()( < 1331172751 98116 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"balance me" - that < 1331172951 421593 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Can someone please explain the difference between Lists, Arrays, Vectors, Sequences without going very deep in computer science theory of data structures? < 1331172985 358222 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Are there any other forms of data structures that I am missing and might be useful? < 1331172996 85669 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331172999 802223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1331173031 554625 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: learning my Haskell, I read a couple of articles regarding performance differences of Haskell lists and (insert your language)'s arrays. < 1331173037 94391 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NARQ'd < 1331173151 123544 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: HLEP < 1331173185 481219 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331173243 117235 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Clojure have any problems other than being on the JVM? < 1331173280 583769 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Other than this minor flaw, it's the perfect language. < 1331173303 95105 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stm sucks < 1331173304 296752 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173306 434807 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173308 240785 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173311 337764 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173313 543972 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173315 81657 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173315 937805 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173316 330225 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173316 516823 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173316 821802 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173318 55737 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173318 242491 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173319 815117 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173321 755125 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173323 868656 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173325 761536 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173327 878816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173329 476737 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, how is cl-stm? < 1331173329 881364 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173331 849825 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173333 797764 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173335 867053 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173338 41332 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jvm < 1331173339 864125 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GAK < 1331173341 834412 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know/care < 1331173346 989717 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cl doesnt have a proper type system < 1331173347 565871 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1331173350 337932 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have the exact same problem < 1331173351 257541 :[[[[[[[[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jvm < 1331173584 289271 :[[[[[[[[!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ]]]]]]]]] < 1331173757 461382 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles JVM GAK. http://www.gak.co.uk/en/marshall-jvm-410h/4363 < 1331173925 298488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last child ' opera van java' gak seperti gayus tambunan by. Bad'Droys.mp4 http://youtu.be/H3LRCga-WpQ < 1331174036 761447 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331174521 231341 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, I missed your call_cc post when you first posted out, but it's neat that you actually got it to work. < 1331174574 5815 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ would like to point out how the esolang wiki link is WRONG < 1331174578 735298 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But elliott_ always says things like that. < 1331174633 876646 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang wiki link to what? < 1331174637 547815 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in my post < 1331174646 551256 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was a fun project < 1331174657 205302 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually sure these continuations are usable for anything but backtracking < 1331174674 779730 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing backtracking with fork directly would be a good bit simpler < 1331174677 496479 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm surprised you didn't send continuation fds over UNIX sockets! :-) < 1331174682 995772 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether that would actually work. < 1331174695 61347 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i thought about that < 1331174700 307987 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decided it was insane < 1331174715 408741 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines that kmc spends at least 15% of his time thinking about sending fds over UNIX sockets. < 1331174724 98628 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only actually done it once < 1331174728 702434 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, written one program that does it < 1331174748 341175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also did it once, though just to figure out how it worked. < 1331174751 869196 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pain in the ass < 1331174754 515929 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The API is kind of disgusting. < 1331174762 485935 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :super disgusting < 1331174779 690148 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up with a function that was identical to http://swtch.com/usr/local/plan9/src/lib9/sendfd.c < 1331174794 364557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to the type (almost). < 1331174813 694624 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I found that file -- would've been helpful if it'd worked the other way around. < 1331174822 209128 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunny! < 1331174842 335761 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this code supposed to run on unix or plan9 or both? < 1331174854 857315 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX -- this is Plan 9 from User Space. < 1331174866 261011 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think actual Plan 9 has a direct equivalent of sendfd. < 1331174888 688553 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i didn't know about Plan 9 from User Space < 1331174944 180085 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plan9port" is the short name, I think. < 1331175133 194289 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf thinks? < 1331175190 532611 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think that you're going too deep in computer science theory of data structures. < 1331175509 832141 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers inflicting MediaWiki 1.19.0beta1 on Esolang. < 1331175574 122140 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_(programming_language)#Criticism I love it when people stick awful "Criticism" sections on Wikipedia articles under the guise of the purely factual information everywhere else in the article being NPOV. < 1331175576 32975 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being POV. < 1331175607 512023 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Simon Peyton Jones and Ben Lippmeier are Haskell critics. Did you know? < 1331175689 468727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, indeed. < 1331175705 741236 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331175770 887333 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Harrop has used that one. < 1331175780 836945 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HASKELL INVENTOR SPJ TURNS ON FALSE GOD HE CREATED" < 1331175884 450153 :TeruFSX!~quassel@71-210-149-100.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331176064 198447 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Hird#Criticism < 1331176084 623548 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I clicked on that. < 1331176116 57901 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't thinks Sgeo_ can help clicking on any link that pops up. < 1331176194 406612 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1331176198 166216 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatse.ca/ < 1331176214 421484 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of the channel topic, there’s a local bar named “Out of Juice”. < 1331176219 312358 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s Hitler’s favorite. < 1331176231 363252 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha ha, it's funny because "juice" sounds like "jews"! < 1331176239 918771 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win the Comedy Award. < 1331176888 142748 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How was 1997 15 years ago? < 1331176943 242974 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't know. < 1331176947 847262 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember 1997 very well. < 1331177046 76910 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Ask kmc. < 1331177126 527296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you ask kmc. < 1331177129 713077 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion ask kmc. < 1331177131 176233 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc ask ion. < 1331177134 719138 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot ask fungot. < 1331177135 259862 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: darn speaking in each other's abilities!) colors can help reading a lot about scheme48 right? but you can simulate downward continuations using longjmp, but you could < 1331177138 242145 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcaskion < 1331177189 3113 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1997 was horrible. < 1331177210 601337 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1997 was the year. < 1331177211 140541 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no memory of 1997. I was 11. I was probably learning C. < 1331177261 601367 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no memory of 1997. Friendship was 11. Friendship was probably learning "C". < 1331177312 625637 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: I see your bad taste in languages started early. < 1331177338 753427 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: MY FIRST LANGUAGE WAS BASIC MY SECOND LANGUAGE WAS LOGO < 1331177375 220158 :Friendship!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I sometimes fold paper. Then I put it on my head. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331177473 879861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally wanted to learn something else than BASIC when i was a kid but i had no chance to do that. The books i could find in the library were too advanced, i didn’t have mentor and i didn’t have the intertubes. < 1331177487 170623 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: Something something something something or else you'll bounce on a pogo? < 1331177509 608747 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: EGG-ZACTLY! < 1331177543 504041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331177783 886340 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MY FACE IMPLODE < 1331177785 170378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331177820 833987 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1331177828 390045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1331177828 578499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1331177863 734703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1331177863 923632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ asked 7h 59m 49s ago: Does the /// program /// halt? It replaces all occurrences of the empty string in the empty string with the empty string. < 1331177891 772783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's supposed to loop infinitely, i _think_ i finally fixed that in the interpreter < 1331177917 272894 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm i realise that empty source strings _in general_ loop forever < 1331177917 645682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was for //.../, i'm not sure i checked /// < 1331177920 939656 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not sure that /// is < 1331177933 290981 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not asking what the implementations do, just what's right :P < 1331177936 564471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1331177936 941128 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1331177946 237946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1331177946 507860 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1331177953 908345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show slashes < 1331177955 977779 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl (sending via DCC) < 1331177965 903181 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I just said I don't care what the implementation does < 1331177968 729214 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331177978 598192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: well i consider infinitely looping to be right. < 1331177986 653015 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I ask is, I rewrote the /// article (apart from the examples) and it occurred to me that /// might actually should halt (totally valid grammar). < 1331177996 560657 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok i guess. < 1331178005 493127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like /a/a/ doesn't loop just because source = dest < 1331178069 928193 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fair enough < 1331178078 705787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think that (?:...) was the fix so the irc interp is ok < 1331178091 827514 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i was wondering if /// could be made more elegant if substitutions weren't done "all at once" < 1331178100 852135 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say, the program /a/b/aaa would evolve like this: < 1331178115 604183 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a/b/aaa -> b/a/b/aa -> bb/a/b/a -> bbb/a/b/ -> bbb < 1331178119 964838 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably with each b being printed along the way) < 1331178133 356296 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because that gives a fairly obvious "rewrite" specification of it < 1331178134 475298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1331178141 339118 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a/b/ac -> b/a/b/c < 1331178151 54355 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/a/b/cd -> c/a/b/d (where a =/= c) < 1331178159 697427 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignoring escaping issues) < 1331178169 879408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: some of the trouble is that there are elegant programs which return backwards in the string to substitute more. < 1331178178 774205 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, duh < 1331178183 877837 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind me :) < 1331178198 815338 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, feedback on the [[:///]] changes is welcome :) < 1331178215 947017 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a shame that one of the best languages on the wiki had a rather bad introduction/spec. < 1331178225 798299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although an efficient interpreter probably should detect when that _cannot_ happen < 1331178238 125043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to not backtrack unnecessarily < 1331178283 83096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, feedback on http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/qdeql/BFQdeql.hs probably also welcome < 1331178304 280850 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i noticed you finished it but forgot to check out the program < 1331178348 642886 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I like how you handle the newlines formatting-wise in initCells < 1331178367 241891 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331178372 800492 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : put $ st { newLine = False } < 1331178377 209032 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is technically a redundant ($) btw < 1331178381 617622 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it looks really confusing without :( < 1331178414 600269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331178427 819772 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good to me, although naturally i don't understand the translation < 1331178428 678530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1331178453 71117 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would probably put spaces around one-line qq'd strings since they're so symbol-y, but that's just me. (and does it strip trailing whitespace?) < 1331178470 763135 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'd put top-level signatures on everything, but, well, that's me. (I think -Wall complains if you don't, though) < 1331178471 463602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i think one of those elegant /// programs is the unary to decimal converter used in the deadfish interpreter < 1331178493 120817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i didn't bother doing that for the string constants < 1331178530 351840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: [s| only strips one initial newline < 1331178537 982390 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo, bar, baz :: String would probably make it less ugly. but yes, it's hardly high priority < 1331178546 174042 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the documentation says it strips common initial whitespace < 1331178550 568913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [s| foo|] should == "foo" < 1331178553 179589 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1331178567 947163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'd forgotten you could have comma-separated type annotations outside records < 1331178587 504346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um that's not how i interpreted it < 1331178605 113366 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331178611 320142 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be thinking of one of the other packages I reviewed. < 1331178629 9362 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331179121 137336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i added type sigs < 1331179301 737373 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't realise ais wrote the 99bob in /// < 1331179313 475532 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is a cheat version. < 1331179343 454825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was from before anyone knew if you could _make_ a non-cheat version < 1331179410 307100 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331179425 223538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that the stripping of one newline in string-qq is just so you can get the first line aligned with the others < 1331179442 247537 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ///-without-looping is TC < 1331179442 557285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what i used it for < 1331179447 814627 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it just replaces the first occurrence and stops < 1331179464 546501 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only way to get, e.g. an infinite loop would be to replicate a replacement forwards < 1331179480 752377 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the standard replication techniques require multiple substitutions in one go? < 1331179492 158970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds hard since quining requires you to make _two_ copies of stuff < 1331179508 560018 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it dose < 1331179510 38811 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1331179538 329675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think that trivial makes the program shorter at each step < 1331179541 294539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ly < 1331179558 808575 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... right, agreed < 1331179569 908497 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it just does two iterations of the loop :D < 1331179581 143548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE PLAUSIBLE < 1331179582 949888 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "replace first (if any), replace first (if any)" < 1331179602 860067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the question become how you can re-escape anything < 1331179605 955423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1331179648 727243 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the programs small enough, unroll the de-escaping loop :P < 1331179664 203055 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except i guess you have to de-escape that loop itself < 1331179666 376305 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*re *re < 1331179681 546256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRICKY < 1331179756 274009 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, does the standard technique rely on /abc/.../ not replacing a\bc? < 1331179771 316101 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. what if backslash escapes were "interpreted" properly by the substitution process < 1331179783 973934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331179809 663471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in fact the only way it distinguishes what to do with the two copies < 1331179822 464807 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331179876 567894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _original_ counter loop probably could be done without it, but that was rather awful < 1331179897 841799 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you invent REGXY? the wiki claims you do, but the person who added that claim gave no source, and while http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RegXy links to your site, it only contains an implementation and some programs < 1331179898 834866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comparison < 1331179943 131352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if zzo38's client does nick pinging < 1331179946 959810 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you did. < 1331180109 114761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh actually the original counter loop depends on duplicating the reescaping code, which means if you ignore \ differences _they_ will clobber each other. < 1331180154 827547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's also the only way two identical substitutions can avoid interfering < 1331180433 660120 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like removing anything from /// inevitably makes it sub-TC :P < 1331180488 368876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy that < 1331180583 154751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I don't remember < 1331180603 500859 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What does nick pinging mean? < 1331180626 272468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it means that your client notifies you when your nick is mentioned < 1331180680 291466 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default it doesn't do that, but there is /F command which can be used to highlight, ignore, or beep on, any sender/text/commands specified. < 1331180689 596721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe it actually denotes when others try to make it do that. anyway it's a common feature in clients. < 1331180739 150186 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /F command is used for that purpose and other purposes. < 1331180761 428132 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you would probably put it in a macro if wanted to use it all the time in certain ways commonly. < 1331180946 14241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually have a beep myself, i generally have sound off, but i think i once tried to get visual bell working but i couldn't get it right < 1331180983 33649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's red highlighting though < 1331181762 703226 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you ever look at the [[:///]] changes? :P < 1331181786 664719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't finished browsing the irc logs yet... < 1331181816 109203 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're pretty big today, aren't they < 1331181852 629974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331183218 782747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Doesn't yours? <-- hm, exploding is more common than imploding in the Nordic countries. (Just ask oerjan) < 1331183225 856027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because of the cold. < 1331183558 487683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : OCPD (Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder < 1331183562 57212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDOP < 1331183564 123862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1331183613 958248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all reminds me of the parenthesis matching monoid i thought of while making the unlambda palindromifying algorithm < 1331183658 982694 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what monoid is that? < 1331183703 129573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have words of ( and ), but remove all () combinations, recursively < 1331183737 305660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which turns every word into the form ))))))...)(((((....(( with all )'s before all ('s < 1331183791 227102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unlambda version uses ` for ( and any other function for ), and there was some exceptional case as well < 1331183835 216144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-other < 1331183930 827585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right you cannot allow appending `x. it was similar but eerily different. < 1331184008 245268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the thing about this monoid is you can do parenthesis matching on any substring, and find out what you need on each end to rebalance. < 1331184047 730231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course calculate the balance of a concatenation from the balance of each argument < 1331184298 72462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this might be useful for incremental editors < 1331184468 29760 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not sure what the monoid actually is. < 1331184589 614350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nat, Nat) < 1331184605 37359 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lparencount, rparencount? < 1331184615 120098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :other way around < 1331184623 201377 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331184634 246211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Monoid < 1331184634 433244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monoid a where < 1331184634 622309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mempty :: a < 1331184634 809004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mappend :: a -> a -> a < 1331184634 809204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mconcat :: [a] -> a < 1331184641 867097 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except not quite, because ")(" shouldn't map to (1,1) should it? < 1331184647 685718 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else you're not really ensuring _balance_ < 1331184650 314301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it should < 1331184653 179712 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331184660 197706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Monoid measures how _imbalanced_ it is < 1331184666 536187 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331184672 926526 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, this sounds like a Reducer) < 1331184714 964298 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Reducer String ParenCount where unit str = ParenCount (m, n) where ... < 1331184777 479757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty = (0,0); (rx,lx) `mappend` (ry,ly) = (rx+max 0 (-b),ly+max 0 b) where b = lx-ry < 1331184780 848639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1331184849 907816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331184861 295143 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like you'd always want to use it Reducer-style, i.e. I'm not sure when mempty would be useful < 1331184871 649517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Reducer < 1331184917 439626 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/reducers/0.1.8/doc/html/Data-Semigroup-Reducer.html (only unit matters) < 1331184920 970515 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the f in (foldMap f), basically < 1331184927 203531 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you only need Semigroup, since mempty is never used < 1331184940 991232 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just any mapping of a type to a semigroup < 1331184949 755222 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, from strings to this type < 1331184957 759862 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Chars, I guess < 1331184979 38676 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you could then use foldReduce to check whether a string has balanced parens < 1331184981 415678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: um mempty is the natural value for "" < 1331184995 1477 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i mean that mempty is never used directly. < 1331185004 452906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for anything containing no ( or )'s < 1331185017 870275 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1331185020 827191 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you use the Monoid part there < 1331185034 666038 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as reflected in "foldReduce :: (Foldable f, Monoid m, Reducer e m) => f e -> m"'s type < 1331185320 945710 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs reducers to test this < 1331185397 861957 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \x y -> (x + max 0 (-y)) == (x - min 0 y) < 1331185398 693026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "OK, passed 500 tests." < 1331185539 912845 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yay it seems to work < 1331185555 42294 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/GgRY < 1331185816 642280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are some places I could use mempty I missed there < 1331185864 56218 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1331185867 820707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1331185919 368567 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in conclusion, since your monoid fits perfectly into a map-reduce pattern, I'm forced to deliver the terrible news that it's web scale. < 1331185945 593860 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :councelling is available in the pure mathematics department. < 1331185972 570334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you're not meant to use foldReduce < 1331185977 861542 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use reduce to get the web scale < 1331186017 227845 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/aYJO < 1331186019 875063 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now it's web scale. < 1331187060 676383 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331187335 520753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yay! < 1331187393 157041 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is now 0% of the way through the infinite log we hooked up to a Markov chain generator. < 1331187431 735048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just finished the logs and Friendship's answers, and have loaded esolang < 1331187529 708018 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1331187531 308287 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1331187562 564750 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_ttoille> elliott_, you're British right? < 1331187562 774860 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1331187565 896295 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331187568 576482 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is that. :( < 1331187629 375426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ttoille the anti-brit, your nemesis < 1331187678 154247 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's with the nick? < 1331187678 340977 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_ttoille> I am not sure. < 1331187678 341158 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_ttoille> Does it boter you? < 1331187682 178179 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how sincere that question is. < 1331187689 422418 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* _ttoille is now known as H_ekiM < 1331187692 985605 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently more than not at all. < 1331187997 25379 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/124968/how-to-solve-this-equation-using-newton-raphson-method-in-matlab < 1331188000 111857 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click it while it's still around!!! < 1331188156 980026 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I want to be named Elliott too. < 1331188171 662226 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to worship SBCL over other Common Lisp implementations. < 1331188177 794576 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/repos/closer-mop/features.txt should explain why. < 1331188202 756004 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought my day couldn't get any better. < 1331188215 692654 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I have some crazed IRC stalker, and now Sgeo_ has chosen SBCL as his one true god. < 1331188313 488752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331188326 307360 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1331188335 9241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1331188343 584640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are you doing up at 6:30am? < 1331188404 926167 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing you're doing < 1331188418 709904 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more "still up" than "up" < 1331188433 810832 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was even tired an hour ago. my life is a series of excellent decisions made by an idiot < 1331188471 959425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I doubt I'm doing the same thing as you < 1331188482 891596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I /joined/ at 6:30am, rather than being here all night as usual < 1331188484 540796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm at work < 1331188511 116961 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're typing on IRC < 1331188513 965922 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1331188517 496850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: ok i fixed a couple things in [:///] < 1331188599 316647 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks (*[[:///]]) < 1331188615 944346 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's better than the previous text :P < 1331188654 343766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the previous was a little too succinct, although i'm wondering if the current is a little too verbose < 1331188673 244614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels so imperative < 1331188683 221370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, has anyone thought about Underload with /just/ () and lambdas? < 1331188692 189301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas? < 1331188729 684785 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i think you will find the previous text was imperative too < 1331188750 125681 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=///&oldid=30182 < 1331188773 321836 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc more importantly it's wildly imprecise :P < 1331188789 530187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] my life is a series of excellent decisions made by an idiot <-- can i borrow that tagline < 1331188795 426560 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Closer2MOP documentation LIED to me < 1331188798 461329 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is peeved < 1331188836 761861 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. there may be royalties. < 1331188846 849764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: it's the description of how to read source and destination that feels that way < 1331188880 650055 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-188.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331188882 19301 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a little ugly. otoh I can't think of any decent way to describe it better without the awkward imprecise parenthical escape-describing of the original. < 1331188911 957474 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end i went for precision over immediate clarity. perhaps the best thing would be a note that it's just a string up to / with escapes next to the verbosity < 1331188986 395951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can desugar lambdas into Underload code, right? < 1331188998 546531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i wrote a section on that < 1331189010 171389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you can express everything but () in terms of lambdas < 1331189015 946497 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-237-83.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331189028 912683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I also noticed independently that lambdas could be desugared into Underload < 1331189043 219433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my syntax is x/(y/((x)(y))) < 1331189064 273362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it postfix is more consistent, but harder to read ;) < 1331189074 799579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually () = [-] in my lambda syntax < 1331189090 265931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I know < 1331189104 865611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most consistent of all would be (code)(variable)command < 1331189108 805177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be almost completely unreadable < 1331189165 787976 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1331189181 760313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh wait no, [-] = < 1331189193 742106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surrounding parens aren't included < 1331189200 74034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in my case either < 1331189205 727769 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-188.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331189207 477826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. x/(x) is equivalent to ^ < 1331189213 356271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and (x/(x)) is equivalent to (^)) < 1331189353 313994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the null string would be x/((x)) < 1331189481 947560 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls at least bracket the x/y somehow < 1331189482 993733 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x/y] say < 1331189546 679255 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-196.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331190405 822700 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know there's a conspiracy to keep Hackage2 from being deployed based on rationalisations? < 1331190426 450795 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: No. < 1331190576 317917 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I still don't. < 1331190619 539255 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know now? < 1331190630 707764 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check. < 1331190655 97123 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a vacuum of knowledge in my head in the spot dedicated to knowing about conspiracies to keep Hackage2 from being deployed based on rationalisations. < 1331190693 224242 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: GET IT < 1331190757 827301 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190758 495085 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190758 889391 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190759 364527 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190759 753561 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190760 89933 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1331190760 445080 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190762 180601 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190764 285516 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1331190766 224139 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190768 172648 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190770 250437 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190772 202486 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190774 233718 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190776 171992 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190778 258116 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190780 334684 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190782 243122 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190784 280049 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190786 161302 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1331190788 240485 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190790 321841 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190792 338190 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190794 238115 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331190796 264007 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1331190798 254789 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1331190800 371454 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1331190802 329095 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190804 261340 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190806 239189 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190808 397588 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190810 369019 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190812 260651 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190814 407344 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190816 317770 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190818 344592 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190820 347127 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190822 262090 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190824 378334 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190826 318077 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1331190828 280779 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1331190830 366272 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331190846 139997 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Save the laughter for channels with... Less pressure. < 1331190878 399398 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : If hackage used something like S3, and objects with versioning, then cost distribution would be flexible. If hackage didn't want to pay, you could just point to an S3 object. < 1331190895 497223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that all of Hackage's trivially-solvable problems should be solved by moving to $WEB_2.0_TECH_THAT_WILL_REQUIRE_A_COMPLETE_REWRITE? < 1331190969 614777 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the way I have tried to design the "Ibtlfmm" package system; it is better than Haskell's system in my opinion, and does not require web 2.0 or anything else like that; no centralized system is required either, and no internet is necessarily required. < 1331190998 839304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However it does use internet domain names and aliases for identification. < 1331191044 96066 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly if they fixed Haskell compilers to support these kind of thing then it might be able to work, but currently it cannot work. < 1331191131 662114 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Should I sleep? < 1331191141 316840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: I think so :) < 1331191187 288408 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're just saying that because I spammed the channel with laughter. :( < 1331191207 835847 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, with my idea, "hello-world/0.1 example.org packages:" would be a valid package identifier) < 1331191216 976301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inded < 1331191218 353255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed < 1331191222 121147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sign you're tired < 1331191268 525955 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No way, I spam the channel literally all the time as long as oerjan hasn't spoken in the last fifteen minutes or so. < 1331191284 168781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it. < 1331191290 944259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331191299 233226 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331191308 685982 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. Stop that. You're limiting my options by speaking. < 1331191317 649313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHAHA* < 1331191330 432064 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191330 817727 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191331 314244 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191331 668183 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191332 49570 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191332 948755 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191333 429290 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyr < 1331191335 368229 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ryc < 1331191337 500082 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rcy < 1331191339 466458 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cryrycryc < 1331191341 445201 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry < 1331191343 427210 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cr < 1331191345 494732 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cr < 1331191347 524497 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191349 480415 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191351 412846 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191353 526713 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191355 366821 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yy < 1331191357 489194 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191359 451181 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191361 542314 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191362 139616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _overly_ limited, i'd say. < 1331191363 508286 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191365 473091 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191367 388721 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1331191369 528583 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1331191371 607797 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1331191373 503112 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'( < 1331191375 477922 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry :'( < 1331191375 820086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO TO SLEEP < 1331191392 857014 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just want me to wake up when it's dark. < 1331191394 309826 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerk. < 1331191398 414790 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package names must start with a lowercase letter, and the names "root", "main", and any name beginning with "_", are reserved. < 1331191413 972339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: keep a light on? < 1331191419 699191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does that. < 1331191424 585899 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIGHT IS NOT SUN < 1331191468 954850 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUN IS NOT DARK < 1331191491 287581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAUTOLOGY IS NOT TAUTOLOGY < 1331191666 641265 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeh < 1331191671 145512 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being awake sucks < 1331191727 470948 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you feel like crap and then you still feel like crap the next second which means, thanks to that fucking Zeno, you felt like crap AN INFINITE NUMBER OF TIMES. < 1331191741 196835 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this we can conclude that a second of being awake is literally infinitely terrible. < 1331191766 499757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find walking out in the morning sunlight helps a lot < 1331191777 939922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll typically go for a 1-2 hour walk at 6am or so if I'm awake < 1331191785 287131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this time I took the bus into work instead < 1331191811 271676 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no, thanks to sleep deprivation logic I hold a grudge against the sun for making it officially be too late to sleep at a reasonable time < 1331191869 781915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that nothing helps much. < 1331191908 669648 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to both set an alarm *and* have cause to be up in order to maintain any sort of correlation with the sun. < 1331191926 531080 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly reminded of Solog < 1331191930 427103 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, sollog < 1331191935 30488 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't need to be awake at any particular time, I *will* start waking at 5 pm. < 1331191957 152383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, just over the course of the weekend I end up waking at 1 pm. < 1331191962 495168 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sollog.com/ < 1331191980 956840 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning: Autoplaying YouTube video) < 1331191997 804986 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, that's only 4 hours difference from my weekday time of consciousness ATM. < 1331192006 302572 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, he made a correct prediction! < 1331192023 990210 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably) < 1331192035 810305 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot take his voice seriously. < 1331192042 598789 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sollog < 1331192116 335085 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im hold vote pikhq_ Sgeo_ ais523 oerjan zzo38 shachaf < 1331192122 50280 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i sleep yes/no < 1331192132 984626 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331192133 171576 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: You just ignore everything I say anyway. :-( < 1331192145 8457 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1331192152 635381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331192154 503333 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, zzo38 even used cold hard data to determine that. < 1331192162 27902 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That response does not fit the valid format!!! < 1331192168 353318 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't know how to fix sleep cycles, so take my yes with a grain of salt. < 1331192170 64246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use cold hard _intuition_ so there < 1331192171 843702 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: / < 1331192190 964816 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Oh, there's no way this sleep cycle can be "fixed". < 1331192208 560183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: yes < 1331192221 319099 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY TWO VOTES LEFT < 1331192223 455164 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\f.(\x.xx)(\x.f(xx))) (sleep cycle) < 1331192235 353532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: and my experience when I have a similar sleep cycle is, that it can't be fixed, but it can be temporarily stablised if you need to do so for some reason < 1331192252 889238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this is just proof that evolution is nonsense; humans really originated on another planet with a 26 hour day < 1331192257 525206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can stabilise mine with two days' setup, for about three days at a time, until I end up feeling really tired < 1331192271 928779 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it was 25. is your slip slipping? < 1331192282 397218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok somewhere between 25-26 < 1331192294 720003 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: The dice say "no". < 1331192324 833867 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actively screwing up my sleep cycle as we speak! < 1331192345 231678 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1331192353 170972 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: It goes back and forth between 25 and 26. < 1331192354 587401 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the midst of an astonishingly normal chunk of sleep schedule. < 1331192360 445054 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: That's just oerjan's slip cycle. < 1331192370 11772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep cycle is currently approaching back to normal, although this will obviously be temporary. < 1331192374 767139 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1331192379 208695 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liable to get fucked up by Friday, mind you. < 1331192405 733083 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: thank you. < 1331192408 222891 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your vote plees < 1331192426 808132 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly 1, and I'm actually sleepy. < 1331192430 687559 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange as hell. < 1331192445 336009 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably helps that I got roughly 11 hours of sleep yesterday. < 1331192470 769415 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: youre vote plees < 1331192484 898354 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your'e vote plees < 1331192490 749416 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shachaf's vote plees < 1331192491 53517 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Am I voting for what you *will* do or what you *should* do? < 1331192500 506181 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION delegation < 1331192507 772860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should < 1331192518 24993 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Tell elliott_ I'm no moralist. < 1331192526 252792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: shachaf says yes ;) < 1331192537 943355 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess i am convinced HOWEVER < 1331192547 682516 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wake up and it's dark and i feel like crap you guys are gonna regret it < 1331192549 90367 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you get me < 1331192551 378836 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to vote on your life decisions < 1331192558 474223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly < 1331192565 752288 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys better start getting me to vote on your life decisions < 1331192590 898806 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: sleep i should no yes? < 1331192595 12972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-8am is actually a common sort of time for me to go to sleep < 1331192608 123441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it refreshes me better than sleeping at most other times of day < 1331192619 891721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if/though it's probably dark when I wake up < 1331192644 814095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it probably will be light when you wake up, though; I predict you wake up at around 4-5pm < 1331192830 433821 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1331193083 825362 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be your own choice whether you want to wake up or to sleep. < 1331193201 794475 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are other ways, such as toss a coin, or some people try to answer yes/no questions by astrology or other forms of divination. And this actually seems one such question that I could try to answer by astrology; but this is *not* the kind of thing that people usually try to answer in this way (but to me is more reasonable than the questions other people try to answer in this way). < 1331193218 732413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting is certainly one way. < 1331193248 444167 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whether you want to wake up, you should just make up an answer yourself you shouldn't need to do anything else other than that; possibly look at the clock if it is necessary. < 1331193291 303320 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip a coin, you suddenly know what you really want to do? < 1331193312 620825 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are other ways if you want to (voting, toss a coin, look outside, astrology, chiromancy, tea leaves, or hitting yourself on the head and seeing whether or not you fall down). < 1331193536 811436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5*16 < 1331193537 609578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 80 < 1331193543 575126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3*16 < 1331193544 375805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 48 < 1331193546 997105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3*25 < 1331193547 742884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 75 < 1331193551 913821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 75 < 1331193552 685908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'K' < 1331193652 953548 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which way do you prefer? < 1331193851 30105 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331194379 277060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you good enough at astrology to answer the question of when someone should go to sleep with it? < 1331194403 714873 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think so. But I would require geographical coordinates to do so. < 1331194409 659126 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to set-funcallable-instance-function < 1331194420 432728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hexham, Northumberland < 1331194428 730927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I need them in numbers. < 1331194442 390073 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOP's over-elaborate way of dealing with the fact that funcall is not a generic function. < 1331194453 231665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :54.971N, 2.101W < 1331194454 882385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just looked it up < 1331194469 335934 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK thanks < 1331194528 168006 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I computed the horoscope. No, you should not sleep. < 1331194601 305151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some people want to use astrology to determine when to get married and what to buy and sell; I say it works not any better than tossing a coin in these cases.) < 1331194655 167054 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also visible from the horoscope, it is a full moon; but that is not relevant to your question.) < 1331194720 785229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does this mean that everyone in hexham should be awake right now? < 1331194779 688122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon is fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.. sorry, full < 1331194779 874953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that is the only useful information I can use to answer this question using astrology, it means, yes, *according to astrology*. (Other people may have better reasons to sleep right now, however.) < 1331194899 659894 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, *according to my calculations using astrology*. In many questions, people can disagree with each other when using astrology. But this is one such question which seems to me that agreement should be more likely; but if other people want to do it differently, then fine, OK, do it your way.) < 1331194899 885288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1331195166 59323 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And please do not think astrology can answer all of your questions, regardless of what some people say. (For most questions it is not better than flipping a coin; but it is your choice, make your decision using whatever methods you prefer.) (Another possible use of astrology is someone once used it to make up a time of day of birth of a fictional character. This is one example of artistic astrology.) < 1331195612 695686 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phase of the moon is one of the things which is very clear to deduce from a horoscope. (And since I have already told you the phase of the moon; you should be able to deduce from that, without looking, which astrological sign the moon is currently in. Please tell me what your guess is.) < 1331195715 855060 :Rok!~rok@116.202.162.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331195809 59942 :Rok!~rok@116.202.162.150 PART :#esoteric < 1331195876 578492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one opposite the sun, but I'm not sure what that's called < 1331195886 715894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever comes after leo - i think it's virgo or libra? < 1331195905 749103 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are correct; it is Virgo. < 1331196046 882001 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, "[the Placidus house system] was popularized by Catholic Church as an argument for Ptolemy's geocentric theory of the Solar System, in the campaign against the heliocentric theory." < 1331196229 1992 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems a strange way to do it < 1331196428 916509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331196721 770047 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they ever heard of retrograde motion? < 1331196826 74304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, but back then, I think it was a plausible theory to conclude that planets just did that sometimes < 1331196861 842734 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Relative to the Earth, Mars and Saturn are currently in retrograde. Of course, the reason for this is that they orbit the Sun, not the Earth.) < 1331196875 438097 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But shouldn't they try to think of the question, why would they sometimes do that? < 1331196913 185970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were loads of things people didn't know back then < 1331196914 733597 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee < 1331196920 265109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still are now, but there were more then < 1331196938 118673 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/128209 (my code) vs http://paste.lisp.org/display/128210 (PMD paper's code. Ignore the first annotation) < 1331196949 196193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true, there are things in various fields of study, which people do not know even today. < 1331197029 916557 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But still, even if you don't know, if you know of retrograde motion, it would seem a reasonable question to ask why they are sometimes retrograde. < 1331197211 810516 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The North Node is also currently in retrograde; but that isn't a physical object.) < 1331197357 50549 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331197542 489034 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331198330 554298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was under the impression that retrograde motion was solved using those epicycles. < 1331198345 176481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, indeed < 1331198353 169675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with epicycles being that they're orbit-complete < 1331198389 122162 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbit-complete? < 1331198410 306417 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-108.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331198433 97561 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331198532 454364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact Copernicus's heliocentric model also had epicycles in it to compensate for the circular orbits, IIRC. < 1331198585 123955 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331198623 600271 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331198629 528533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/03/0326_wrigley/image/orbit-complete-mint.jpg < 1331198634 562821 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-136-196.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331198646 402597 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps fizzie  < 1331198690 325519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by orbit-complete, do you mean that if you heap enough of them on, you can get _any_ conceivable orbit? < 1331198711 99254 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331198748 511400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall something about that, that doing this is essentially a kind of fourier transformation of the actual orbit < 1331198783 506930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FETW, the fast epicycle transformation library, for all your astronomical needs. < 1331198810 819972 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now we can solve it using gravity, which works regardless of what the center of measurement is. < 1331198840 775175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: An infinite series of epicycles is indeed the most elegant model. < 1331198848 695680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly < 1331198994 31038 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-28.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331199024 582835 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-116-108.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331199161 223629 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.136.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331199244 161778 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.136.0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331199247 230027 :oklopol!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331199279 217156 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.136.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331199341 419990 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-28.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331199425 622482 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 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765474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331206788 998045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331206908 276867 :cheater!~cheater@dslb-084-057-012-048.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331206916 141528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331207488 823088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tdwtf sidebar is great, they just taught me that the inverse femtobarn (fb^-1) is a unit that's actually used occasionally for non-ironic purposes < 1331207682 238128 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331207854 208081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331209078 11863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331209678 459150 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.136.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331209734 789557 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331209814 243873 :MoALTz_!~no@92.2.136.0 QUIT :Ping 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1331218658 747392 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331219650 172030 :GULPF!d5723659@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.54.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331219994 423916 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331220747 889112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331220770 49348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331221176 795610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331221199 969393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331221558 231258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331221584 879072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331222834 704197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331223362 711675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331223393 607262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331223750 909387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331223820 158218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331223843 933508 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331223877 6865 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331224179 880694 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331224218 916392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331224245 915487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331224261 730765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, I'm doing that. < 1331224261 919478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331224457 536758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Phantom_Hoover, I created a BF derivative yesterday < 1331224464 966886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was in the context of seeing if a certain set of operations was TC < 1331224477 310079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BF, except that < rewinds to the first element on the tape rather than moving one square < 1331224647 965021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331224745 653319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331225182 734777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331225210 857561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331225453 969255 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-197-182.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331225497 743113 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-216-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331225544 916117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331225568 160064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331225861 728168 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331225895 921140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331225948 203816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331226324 987252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331226348 247027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331226676 1028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331226763 112165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331227104 900028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331227508 268997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331227885 22316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331228069 254095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331228076 530279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that String is a synonym for [Char] which explains the type error you got : – Jedai 6 hours ago < 1331228076 716974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331228076 903718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1331228076 903903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context "revComp [ _ ]" expects a [Char] in the " _ " spot (because revComp takes a [String]=[[Char]] as argument) but you put xs in this spot and xs was a [String]=[[Char]] since it comes from a pattern match of the argument of revComp. So [xs] type is [[String]]=[[[Char]]]. The actual type in the "_" spot was [[Char]] whereas the type needed (expected) by the context was only [Char]. Expected type : String=[Char], actual type : [String]=[[C < 1331228078 128778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :har]]. And Char /= [Char], so you get your type error. – Jedai 6 hours ago" < 1331228090 740546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks this would be a lot more helpful were it not all on one line. < 1331228118 625916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:44:04: hmm, it probably will be light when you wake up, though; I predict you wake up at around 4-5pm < 1331228127 554174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 4:30 pm or so, so yep < 1331228154 82441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:28: I computed the horoscope. No, you should not sleep. < 1331228154 268879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1331228252 337575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yay, another legitimate user passed the captcha < 1331228265 551654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which means legitimate users are now tied with spammers for passing the registration captchas < 1331228273 89466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331228276 167020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, not quite < 1331228280 757428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more legitimate users than i thought < 1331228326 827783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1331228336 127672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why is Ytommyro93i not in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers? < 1331228704 8 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331228732 832953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331229137 852819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331229292 844585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you merge them with deleted spam user? < 1331229345 565647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1331229351 591992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are you feeling good/bad about when you woke up? < 1331229351 911418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if I did, it wouldn't delete the log entry < 1331229362 704375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331229373 486881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad enough that you're all doomed, good enough that I'm not going to doom you all just yet < 1331229528 37934 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover needs to work on his connection. < 1331229757 102809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331229829 700786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331229920 427823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone know why Slashdot sometimes interprets as
? < 1331229939 205396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Ctrl+I is tab < 1331229942 976242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blockquotes are usually indented < 1331229962 407765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes Ctrl+I is interpreted for italics due to the first letter of "italic" being "i" < 1331229964 443568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as Konversation) < 1331229966 90364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1331230099 98361 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331230102 943409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would laugh so much if that was the reason < 1331230111 940829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that were < 1331230117 459054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently being tired makes me pedantic < 1331230225 91183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331230243 387215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it's a perfectly plausible implausible explanation < 1331230273 833185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if they used to italicise quotes by default < 1331230285 319912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then decided to do an s//
/g on their database < 1331230297 611850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make them blockquotes instead < 1331230299 959064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR quotes on slashdot being italic < 1331230307 312885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that too < 1331230318 765549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they did it even in the middle of a sentence < 1331230360 311854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did it at the start of a line < 1331230360 881725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1331230363 934172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who writes comments < 1331230369 317499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping manually like this < 1331230371 86678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would get caught by it < 1331230555 426201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wrap manually < 1331230558 703705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331230560 160646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when my browser does it for me < 1331230565 279615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at SunOS Mozilla < 1331230583 424876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you use SunOS, again? < 1331230597 610928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the reason is going to be really stupid, isn't it < 1331230635 214885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a choice of SunOS and Windows and I was trying to run POSIXy stuff < 1331230639 803385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including but not limited to C-INTERCAL) < 1331230656 946756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The binding community discussion on the Abortion article names as requested by the Arbitration Committee has commenced. [dismiss]" < 1331230657 133547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences to anyone involved in what will inevitably be a complete trainwreck < 1331230661 108669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects that this answer is less stupid than elliott might have been discussing < 1331230671 249159 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey it's elliott < 1331230681 977793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is there seriously a major push to name it something other than [[Abortion]]? or is this about subarticles? < 1331230682 769138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrrrrgh not you again < 1331230696 771155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "The Arbitration Committee has requested a binding, structured community discussion on the article titles "Support for the legalization of abortion" and "Opposition to the legalization of abortion"." < 1331230719 176884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so typical of Wikipedia < 1331230726 268842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hmm at [[absurd brainfuck]] < 1331230726 961333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: prediction: half the people want "Support for the continued illegality of abortion" and "Opposition to the continued illegality of abortion" < 1331230730 947538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that article even make sense at all? < 1331230735 229101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/absurd_brainfuck < 1331230735 415834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it doesn't < 1331230746 226161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of tailcalled's articles are just stupid joke BF derivatives < 1331230794 749296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, OK, TwoDucks is uncomputable, but it has nicely and precisely defined semantics, even if they're unimplementable < 1331230800 111912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absurd BF doesn't mean anything < 1331230820 224661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, your link is broken < 1331230823 150882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the article is mistitled) < 1331230835 439887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1331230847 559381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really put a caps redirect in my autolinker, but I can't be bothered < 1331230852 228203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to wikiformat it and categorise it, but I think I'll just leave uninteresting BF derivatives to rot in the future < 1331230874 956609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's an URL construction scheme that goes to the article verbatim if it exists, the name in various other cases if it doesn't, and the search page if none of those do) < 1331230884 190188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's intended for use by the Go button) < 1331230902 408779 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331230926 797188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the hourglass button these days < 1331230939 72481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, btw, is inexplicably differently-aligned on Wikipedia to everywhere else < 1331230943 578119 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything of interest to me happen in the last couple of days? < 1331230956 972970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare top-right of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page in Vector < 1331230989 23514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A language that is similar to that in Star Trek the next generation episode "Darmok" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok] . I don't know what that could mean with programming languages. Look up Darmok reviews online. Here are 2: [http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/tng-darmok-review-5884483] < 1331231006 190234 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1331231011 310107 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best terrible idea /ever/. < 1331231013 232626 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it. < 1331231034 684561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it says "here are 2" but actually only links to one < 1331231102 142396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1331231149 186823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231154 285726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you mean magnifying glass, not hourglass, right? < 1331231202 937430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1331231205 737162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, MediaWiki's memoryalpha interwiki is really out-of-date; the links it produces don't even work < 1331231268 977814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&curid=1669&diff=30948&oldid=30947 hmm, this is possibly stretching the definition of "format" < 1331231713 876001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more similar to "wikify" < 1331231724 267608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a content change too (if a trivial correction) < 1331231874 46973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231936 641043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise cpressey edit! < 1331231974 209912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331231981 472331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Absurd Brainfuck]] is the worst idea. < 1331231998 230491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the procedure. < 1331232014 229060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even the worst idea in that sense. < 1331232019 614502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just generally an awful idea. < 1331232075 282271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-35.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331232084 713989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might almost be a good idea if it made some sort of sense < 1331232086 477489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-197-182.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1331232091 334284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't < 1331232277 679648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it worked like haskell's reverse state monad somehow... < 1331232295 387819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: realisation: I think I took down the sitenotice ~1 day before cpressey visited the wiki for the first time in months :D < 1331232317 745921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Haskell has a reverse state monad? < 1331232323 361111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, umm, sort of see how that would work < 1331232329 281138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not think of any applications for it < 1331232332 868649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/mindfuck-the-reverse-state-monad/ < 1331232339 876658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the fibonacci numbers with it < 1331232384 227098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also http://www.reddit.com/comments/6j2fy/backwards_state_monad/c03zgnv < 1331232387 357074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "practical" application < 1331232401 640717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, mindfuck is a different thing from brainfuck and minscrew? < 1331232477 806955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mindscrew < 1331232496 232974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the question i then have is whether you could ever do a loop test without data flow deadlock < 1331232524 394913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just googled “state monad simple example” and this link cropped up. < 1331232602 409526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you combine the backwards and forwards state monads you should get MonadFix for State < 1331232683 795053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i tried that once, combining the flow from each direction monoidally < 1331232687 420996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got messy < 1331232768 904838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, presumably the reason that user isn't in the creation log is because they /already existed/ < 1331232773 384636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so didn't pass the captcha at all < 1331232778 627604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a plausible enough explanation < 1331232778 814395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would explain why i couldn't find them in the logs < 1331232781 398111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*server logs < 1331232795 383196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how most of the spammers are getting through, after all < 1331232961 769105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-197.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331232967 116546 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-223-35.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331233070 593112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly. < 1331233148 31890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331233155 133116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331233463 841694 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331233638 258045 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331233748 424710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was going to wikiformat it and categorise it, but I think I'll just leave uninteresting BF derivatives to rot in the future < 1331233773 294577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have occasionally had the weird thought if they should get their own namespace < 1331233791 21146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to make a point < 1331233891 27444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :move them to the bfwiki < 1331233891 481345 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their own wiki. < 1331233896 563486 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninterestingbfderivatives.com < 1331233936 463146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, Slashdot are busy arguing about whether the recent claim someone's made to have produced a 230% efficient LED are sane or not < 1331233969 105023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument is that actually it's an electrically-powered heat pump, that converts ambient heat to light, and more such heat than the electrical input < 1331233982 813942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few commentors are suggesting connecting the thing to a solar panel to see what happens… < 1331234004 957596 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solar panel needs to be more than 44% effective for an interesting effect < 1331234012 345840 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy tswett if you didn't see: UPDATE < 1331234018 424198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a heat pump needs a temperature _difference_... < 1331234023 24730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, but that's doable with modern technology, I think < 1331234031 155106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it needs an energy source < 1331234042 794658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat pumps create a temperature difference and consume energy to do so < 1331234050 456753 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: just the flash? Aye. < 1331234058 585376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, there is an energy source (the electricity), but it's less than the amount of heat pumped… < 1331234095 304553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1331234119 59428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have occasionally had the weird thought if they should get their own namespace < 1331234120 847335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1331234123 277259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I COULD DO IT < 1331234130 960547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know what you should /actually/ do instead, right? < 1331234217 71342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ideas&curid=1669&diff=30952&oldid=30948 < 1331234417 237800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, I had an awesome esolang idea in a dream weeks ago, and now can't remember most of it < 1331234421 904806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you probably need a few tokens beyond those keywords as well... < 1331234423 592188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>{}; for starters - and identifiers < 1331234430 787512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that as I had it in a dream, it may not follow the rules of logic, or fail to make any sense for other reasons) < 1331234444 111452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember that the main concept was that there was only one program, which was a physical obect < 1331234445 746101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*object < 1331234459 966011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you programmed in it by physically travelling elsewhere in the world so that you were looking at it from a different perspective < 1331234462 273521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey it could still be better than most on the wiki < 1331234463 831703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which changed what it meant < 1331234469 686242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331234511 455720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal sundial comes to mind < 1331234519 22838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, now I'm laughing out load at that for some reason < 1331234554 743624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*digital < 1331234560 819970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both < 1331234563 735788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which word became digital? < 1331234567 824980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fractal < 1331234577 8836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language where the empty program does "everything" (in some defined universe), and to get useful work done you need to describe everything that the program should not do < 1331234577 195036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps if you know the object that oerjan's describing < 1331234585 414662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if any of the things have ever been made? < 1331234607 635229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: arguably, constraint-based programming does that < 1331234614 18569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol-Clue, Proud, etc < 1331234614 844071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know the object oerjan is describing. < 1331234617 176108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't wikipedia mention a real one... < 1331234617 887017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_sundial < 1331234649 177341 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, that's kind of what I was thinking about yes... sounds boring :( < 1331234659 144572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first prototype of the device was constructed in 1994. In 1998 for the first time a fractal sundial was installed in a public place (Genk, Belgium).[3] There exist window and tabletop versions as well.[4]" < 1331234702 215753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want one of those, but I bet they're really expensive < 1331234715 63320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd have nowhere to put it < 1331234747 327722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1331234749 256494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331234751 190971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think it's theoretically possible to have a (fractal) digital sundial that shows the date too (not the year, though) < 1331234756 427074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"window/tabletop" versions don't sound like they'd be expensive < 1331234760 337060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they wouldn't be very profitable to make < 1331234764 403554 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-208.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331234778 489229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that they aren't made very much for that reason < 1331234782 697473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-215-197.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331234806 371203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cost per sundial is $ 129.00. Sundials will be shipped from Vermont via USPS Priority Mail." < 1331234817 779799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, that was the US price. < 1331234819 705218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i recall discussing that previously and concluding that there must be days in the spring that cannot be distinguished from days in the autumn < 1331234824 486180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The cost per sundial is € 91.00. Sundials will be shipped from Germany. Within Germany, the shipping cost is € 2.30 per sundial; for other European countries, the shipping cost is € 4.60 per sundial." < 1331234843 888108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just found that < 1331234847 551593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "really expensive", but not quite cheap either. < 1331234851 67167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :€91 is more than I'm willing to pay for a digital sundial < 1331234862 748495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the range of things that I could afford, but more than the value I put on one < 1331234949 686362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We currently offer mounts for 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, and 55 degrees latitude." Well, this is 60. < 1331234989 323880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, Wolfram has his own blog < 1331234996 121018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why does that surprise you? < 1331235002 450695 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need to stop being part of the MSPA community. My levels of surprise at [S] Jane: Enter were rather low. < 1331235006 551004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it doesn't, just worries < 1331235017 379961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably inevitable, wasn't it? < 1331235028 308423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1331235043 733624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every day—in an effort at “self awareness”—I have automated systems send me a few emails about the day before. But even though I’ve been accumulating data for years—and always meant to analyze it—I’ve never actually gotten around to doing it. But with Mathematica and the automated data analysis capabilities we just released in Wolfram|Alpha Pro, I thought now would be a good time to finally try taking a look—and to use myself a < 1331235043 971471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s an experimental subject for studying what one might call “personal analytics”." < 1331235056 238757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think he's this much of a shill 24/7? < 1331235059 172089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1331235097 943164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But what about the 1990s? Well, that was when I spent a decade as something of a hermit, working very hard on A New Kind of Science." < 1331235099 677508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't even think he's intentionally shilling < 1331235104 142883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a waste of a decade < 1331235114 365791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "self awareness" effort reminds me a bit of itidus < 1331235133 955345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nah, ANKOS introduced me to a bunch of paradigms I wouldn't know existed otherwise < 1331235147 793015 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is he saying he's going to study patterns in his own writing? < 1331235148 17369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly I had to find more reliable sources about them, but just knowing they exist is good < 1331235162 266887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: no, email-sending and shit < 1331235166 523823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2012/03/the-personal-analytics-of-my-life/ < 1331235193 598933 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just what time of day he sends and receives stuff? < 1331235195 918181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For many years, I’ve captured every keystroke I’ve typed" < 1331235199 274764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than email, apparently < 1331235234 625431 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day I shall publish every keystroke I've ever typed into a single book, and sell it under the title A New Kind of Novel" < 1331235245 985319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: you just made that up, right? still, it's great < 1331235246 171983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get something for vim that records every keystroke I make (except the text itself, which might contain secret sauce) < 1331235262 928374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this probably means it's quite easy to determine his password if you know where to look… < 1331235271 114857 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can tell from the first one is that he apparently goes ot sleep at 3AM. < 1331235349 668765 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for between 1996 and 2002, where he drifted later for a while and then suddenly snapped back. < 1331235389 697360 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that it's a bit fuzzier, though. < 1331235394 3728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know the Star Trek-related link that you wikified? < 1331235399 237461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not actually human-added spam? < 1331235408 507846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235417 707915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an attempt to add a specific link in an attempt to make it look ontopic? < 1331235434 161288 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-203-208.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331235435 368715 :Finnmark!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235439 890574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 90% sure or so < 1331235441 598570 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the motivation to spam a Wikipedia link ... < 1331235448 831153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: it links to a review of the TNG episode < 1331235449 361264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: not the Wikipedia link < 1331235451 183979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the external < 1331235452 857011 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh < 1331235460 188306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the episode is known for being especially bad or whatever < 1331235472 618578 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an amazaterrible episode 8-D < 1331235476 830782 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it well! < 1331235477 70366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not "Spock's Brain", which is famously the worst Star Wars episode ever < 1331235481 589223 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darmok and Jillad at Tinagra! < 1331235486 550189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Spock's Brain is the worst Star Wars episode < 1331235488 338283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the famousiest TNG episode, probably < 1331235494 86549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse than Attack of the Clones < 1331235499 355209 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331235502 550415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, Start Trek < 1331235506 979739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Star Trek < 1331235510 213367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which is better than Stop Trek < 1331235524 770283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, (a) way too intelligently-placed for even a human spammer, < 1331235535 858540 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, that is a legit language idea, and even an esoteric one. < 1331235538 596751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) no obvious profit motive to spam that link, < 1331235539 201818 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although probably not realizable. < 1331235542 951322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331235547 529780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) idea is fairly well thought-out according to those who have the context < 1331235551 295588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1331235560 322296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, the user who added it isn't an IP < 1331235564 462115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has made other valid contributions < 1331235566 253715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the list of ideas < 1331235573 526882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without links < 1331235577 401731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're a spambot, they're _really_ dedicated < 1331235578 321242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm just used to Wikipedia trolls who came up with really complex and sophisticated methods of spamming that are about on a level of what I've been describing < 1331235579 602052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spamperson < 1331235598 581020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for any obvious reason, either < 1331235617 20982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, star trek (starträck) means starling droppings in swedish < 1331235642 620225 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Final Frontier ... < 1331235671 277962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[List of ideas]] is weirdly WardsWikiish < 1331235693 280569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the varying styles of writing, intermingled content-and-commentary without signatures, etc. < 1331235697 522768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1331235706 484721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's pleasantly anarchic < 1331235714 854544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people should use that style of wiki more often < 1331235726 762334 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-228-70.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331235739 683232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, Talk pages often end up like that on Wikipedia < 1331235754 640235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they're being periodically refactored but everyone but the person refactoring is ignoring the refactoring < 1331235762 935293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, not reverting it, just not respecting the fact it's happened) < 1331235900 963579 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-248.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331236236 316432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it might have been Chaitin who wrote that Lisp interpreter. < 1331236259 175450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And in Chapter 4 we present a register machine interpreter for this LISP, and then compile it into a diophantine equation." -- Algorithmic Information Theory by Gregory. J. Chaitin, 1987 < 1331236261 762953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, Google < 1331236266 263533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that rings a bell < 1331236274 601983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I wouldn't have got it without the reminder, I think < 1331236286 80614 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331236296 498660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i suddenly thinking of pavlov < 1331236301 862395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and salivating < 1331236313 502420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :diophantine equations are turing complete? < 1331236321 143064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331236331 52361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was almost a problem in my research a couple of years back < 1331236341 433602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember what they are, though I think I knew at one time < 1331236346 481717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well enough to pass the course, iirc < 1331236358 931077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me some work to prove that the suspiciously diophantine-equation-like set of inequalities I had was actually decidable < 1331236376 251861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1331236381 845792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rings a bell < 1331236383 794698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and equations concerning polynomials on multiple variables, all of which are integers < 1331236395 323952 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: go swat elliott for me, will you? < 1331236406 606073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oerjan: < 1331236429 908042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i cannot do that, it was entrapment < 1331236439 305060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, olsner, you swat him then < 1331236447 338691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1331237110 689192 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@108-84-17-83.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331237184 688973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well? < 1331237285 978538 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well? < 1331237350 280590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK, olsner, you swat him then < 1331237355 71165 :Finnmark!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :y-u-no < 1331237724 940783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, apparently I've been on Reddit for a year, for the nearest day < 1331237747 587708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy cake day! < 1331237771 759077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought you'd been there longer. < 1331237790 367370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I got 16 comment karma for pointing out a respect in which Emacs and Eclipse were equally good, in the middle of what was becoming an editor war < 1331237802 328112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, because claiming that they're equally good at something doesn't annoy fanboys of either side < 1331237818 586706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1331237832 60173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was correcting an implication made by the parent comment < 1331237834 889452 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 16 upvotes were from vim users who hate both emacs and eclipse < 1331237840 495226 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got a bit more karma than that for the less impressive feat of making a Christine O'Donnell < 1331237884 452656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm not sure my last statement makes any sense < 1331237884 779555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the single comment that gave me the /most/ karma was for bashing PHP, but it still wasn't very much < 1331237888 30193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, for bashing VHDL < 1331237917 11952 :Sgeo_!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 28 karma for saying "I'm you" < 1331237935 679950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you? < 1331237964 294712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 101 karma for saying "I CAN SHARE CHEEZBURGR?". beat that, fuckers. < 1331238002 767177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my old comments are shite < 1331238014 632920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did get 1419 link karma from stealing a link from another thread, though! < 1331238022 716453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone here got over 1000 karma from one comment, IIRC < 1331238028 620931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forget who or why < 1331238035 60470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the single highest-rated comment on Reddit ever, I wonder? < 1331238057 501030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget what it was, but i remember it was shit < 1331238063 961233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest-voted post of all time is the "test post please ignore" i think < 1331238092 982829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1331238117 226410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1331238123 365362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it first post ever, or something? < 1331238129 4982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331238146 305401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just upvoted it because it told people to ignore it and because qgyh2 posted it < 1331238152 803184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1331238155 374959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's qgyh2? < 1331238168 455036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the highest-karma users on reddit, the highest a few years ago iirc < 1331238181 462437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/92dd8/test_post_please_ignore/c0b6xx0 is a comment at 6356 points, that has to be one of the top comments < 1331238188 629669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something weirdly circular about upvoting someone because they have high karma < 1331238197 522245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, what's the picture (and is it SFW)? < 1331238219 347292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what picture? < 1331238226 554675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's in r/pics < 1331238239 383825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qgyh2 is a mod of /r/pics < 1331238241 448456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assumed the post was at least vaguely ontopic < 1331238248 253840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the comment itself, but the post it was attached to < 1331238254 595120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, test posts for a subreddit generally go in that subreddit < 1331238273 560363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and it was a self-post, so he got no karma for it :) < 1331238275 332929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a test /post/, not test comment? < 1331238285 405823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why aren't self-posts worth karma? < 1331238316 467130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because "UPVOTE IF DSKLSDJFLKSDFJ;" and all that kind of shit are self-posts < 1331238343 568234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely making them worth karma would encourage people not to upvote them? < 1331238343 754223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPVOTE IF YOU BREATHE OXYGEN < 1331238372 224690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, highly-rated YouTube comments are often hilariously insightful parodies of the whole YouTube comment thing < 1331238379 728127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo hilariously insightful < 1331238387 878153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by /YouTube/ standards < 1331238388 970442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, people upvote them no matter what, because reddit is full of idiots < 1331238404 993302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1331238408 268330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly stay confined to proggit < 1331238422 37040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally r/nethack, if we're trying to do an announcement there < 1331238459 348067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proggit is probably the least terrible of all the popular subreddits < 1331238471 534448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they try and talk about non-tech-related things < 1331238475 126766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory is any subreddit larger than about 10000 subscribers will turn into a meme fest unless heavily moderated < 1331238517 572745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is proggit on the default front page? < 1331238537 749915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not for the past few years, I think < 1331238554 130189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proggit's comments are rather low-quality usually < 1331238560 930705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :359k subscribers < 1331238565 32343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think r/science is the only front page subreddit i still read < 1331238568 796686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's questionable how many of those actually pay attention to it < 1331238571 79627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it used to be default < 1331238587 829207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not /r/askscience too? oh, wait, they got taken off < 1331238602 320377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: proggit's comments are typically low-quality but there are frequently high-quality ones there too < 1331238613 801455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they asked to be since it was becoming too shitty for the mods to handle thanks to the traffic) < 1331238618 140978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's more pronounced in Slashdot, which almost always eventually ends up with a few excellent comments < 1331238626 820161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't follow askscience but i thought that was better due to particularly heavy moderation? < 1331238649 752696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps even they couldn't handle being frontpage < 1331238666 866424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they delete comments in almost every thread < 1331238869 244959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/667/The_Mystery_of_the_Duqu_Framework fancy < 1331238964 489520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagrant 1.0 released! (vagrantup.com) < 1331238966 993464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO FORKED MY ROGUELIKE < 1331239110 600080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought of your roguelike too < 1331239116 887541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, but what it is is actually moderately interesting < 1331239168 42315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Vagrant actually looks useful, I've seen it before < 1331239612 64412 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331239875 610993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331239950 674553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL.js: SQLite Compiled to JavaScript via Emscripten (badassjs.com) < 1331239954 475483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS < 1331240237 478404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, now we can run it in the JS interp that's embedded in PHP! < 1331240346 621716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a binding to V8 < 1331240356 414846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only ridiculous thing about that is that PHP bundles all its external library bindings < 1331240438 882528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331240632 445374 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a chess variant called Pole Chess. There is an extra piece called a pole which starts off-board. It can move to any vacant cell as a turn, but cannot capture or be captured. < 1331240638 11523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240644 5796 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240655 795294 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our < 1331240661 967397 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I played Pole Chess; neither me nor my opponent used the Pole but both of our moves still took the existence of the pole (off-board) into consideration for out strategies. < 1331240672 33999 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchy chorus you have there < 1331240703 376490 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should work on your rhymes though < 1331240707 33966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331240715 577305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's gotta record that < 1331240804 847220 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not trying to make a chorus; I made a mistake in entering the message < 1331240813 305771 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1331240817 327577 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i misunderstood. < 1331240857 138967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a chorus now < 1331241084 857679 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you write the verses as well? < 1331241170 629416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the verses are everything else he's said today < 1331241181 850694 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1331241189 987094 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you record them? < 1331241197 574355 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sing them and put a beat under it. < 1331241201 652602 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sell it < 1331241210 686689 :oklofok!~oklopol@40.Red-83-33-112.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 gets nothing because he doesn't want money < 1331241755 501173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331242495 542961 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1331242501 631028 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1331242759 634205 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: There are no verses. And I do not have the microphone on my computer. < 1331244129 602353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331244734 600551 :y-u-no!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1331244822 644781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ping < 1331245182 813064 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331245213 887057 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331245318 284347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1331245506 892270 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331245515 723636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331245682 453046 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331245728 97105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331246233 180073 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331246848 149191 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331247929 835827 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331247933 148540 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331248111 480806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331248286 681535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331248304 21230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331248552 352460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331249410 953660 :GULPF!d5723659@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.114.54.89 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331249433 89173 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the phrase "Matalii ja Mustii" mean, if anything? < 1331249621 131942 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spoken-language version of “matalia ja mustia” which means “low and black [ones]”. < 1331249623 382591 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :short and black < 1331249700 893478 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@108-84-17-83.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net QUIT : < 1331250942 8367 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1331250944 306969 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How sinister. < 1331250946 21059 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you.