< 1331512187 612130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1331512782 797485 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331512841 193630 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, after many years of loving esoteric languages (like brainfuck) I've written my own, and am interested in knowing if there is a submission process, or if I just add a page on the wiki about it. < 1331512855 89983 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add a page. < 1331512860 879817 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers < 1331512861 218096 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1331512864 409085 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome josefnpat_ < 1331512867 63012 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :) < 1331512867 959565 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331512875 243310 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331512876 379920 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331512885 991539 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys get the capital version working yet? < 1331512890 815979 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any guidelines for submissions? < 1331512903 219244 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: Naw, that's elliott's job. < 1331512911 710859 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: You should look at the categories and try to categorize it properly. < 1331512940 298345 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: I like when the pages have enough details that you could write an interpreter/compiler for that language without ambiguities < 1331512947 539330 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1331512954 943365 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written a interpreter for it already < 1331512958 304301 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1331512958 887863 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a lot of doc for it < 1331512962 749586 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/josefnpat/fuck < 1331512971 222059 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the fourth-person "you", not you ;) < 1331512977 220098 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a bit more doc before I contribute it, but it's almost done. < 1331513008 819585 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha nice < 1331513026 261604 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1331513130 386352 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, where is the catagories page? I am not very good with wikimedia. < 1331513136 392984 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories < 1331513159 373660 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&limit=500 < 1331513160 417852 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Categories < 1331513166 804459 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! < 1331513174 363894 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediawiki < 1331513177 794533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Wikimedia < 1331513201 721624 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, you're right < 1331513214 579506 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki < 1331513264 12082 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331513461 220708 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331513619 746762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1331513643 121214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Categorization is a better guide to categories < 1331513647 856992 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy karupdate, if you didn < 1331513651 352758 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t see it < 1331513664 522357 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks elliott < 1331513684 79906 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Shameful < 1331513686 588996 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karupdate, you say? < 1331513705 875231 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just memorize the non-existence of Shameful < 1331513715 163878 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added "2012", and "Joke languages" < 1331513720 650770 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I add any other categories? < 1331513722 344042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll also have to memorise the non-existence of Auisduisdiujif. < 1331513726 976296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A horrible burden :) < 1331513748 799273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: it doesn't look like a joke language to me (n.b. the definition of joke language we use differs from the common English meaning of the term) < 1331513764 776442 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you suggest then? < 1331513764 993862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a list of esoteric languages that are not of any interest except for potential humor value. Generally speaking, they are completely unusable for programming even in theory, trivial and less interesting variations on existing esoteric languages, or too underspecified to determine any potential usability." < 1331513774 470353 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1331513779 589763 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good point. < 1331513800 849968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Languages]] [[Category:2012]] [[Category:Unknown computational class]], probably < 1331513810 934078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Low-level]] also < 1331513828 49349 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that language that has a severe difference in reference implementation vs spec? < 1331513832 894828 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very much. I've added them. < 1331513846 504228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Malbolge? Not that severe, though. < 1331513861 548101 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think that's the one I was thinking of < 1331513879 164109 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with regards to it not being severe: Oh. < 1331513943 196833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuck a bit
< 1331513966 918629 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers :) < 1331513980 297893 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to lie, I had a lot of fun writing this, lol. < 1331513985 380134 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :* elliott twiddles http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuck a bit // so dirty < 1331513997 196420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Come on, it's not even a brainfuck. < 1331514001 867224 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My poor, virgin, squirrely ears. < 1331514028 720938 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working up a basic example use case (as opposed to simple programs) < 1331514099 389897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is shocked nobody came up with an esolang called "fuck" before.
< 1331514114 493399 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win? < 1331514126 318939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently! < 1331514133 819735 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol. < 1331514160 412707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the implementation is in PHP. It's always best when esolangs are implemented in other esolangs. < 1331514181 431727 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I re-write it in brainfuck or Ook? < 1331514197 93318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you rewrite it in a less esoteric language? < 1331514208 286678 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, if there's enough intrest, i'd be willing to re-write it in C < 1331514244 688018 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some issues opened about making is_numberic() more portable anyway. < 1331514251 277986 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is_numeric() < 1331514253 811515 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331514273 513348 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wrote it in php to get the kinks out. < 1331514292 322042 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a Proof of Concept. < 1331514320 370038 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually find a lot of php to have kinks in it < 1331514332 935535 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :behaviour in the stdlib I mean < 1331514333 973476 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331514337 863722 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship < 1331514341 735706 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough. < 1331514347 273840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendship: You forgot /nick RocketJSquirrel. < 1331514352 833317 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Common Lisp in terms of standard lib kinks? < 1331514354 83998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're half-way up the ladder of nicks. < 1331514365 856470 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know CL (...yet!) < 1331514367 290758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: If only PHP's kinks were limited to the stdlib! < 1331514373 844537 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1331514374 857873 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1331514378 35748 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also true < 1331514389 636060 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, you will soon learn that I am a language tourist. I obsess over one language at a time. < 1331514392 952440 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dern defaults X-D < 1331514402 868994 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While never actually using the language for anything < 1331514412 894633 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe THIS is the language that will change all that (yeah right) < 1331514484 60008 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it PHP is a very kinky language? < 1331514493 663770 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331514502 376012 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dangerous in the wrong hands < 1331514521 484793 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by wrong hands i mean the owner of said hands are idiots. < 1331514533 304904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be an idiot then :( < 1331514534 12947 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp can be like that too really < 1331514540 43656 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1331514552 565735 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go with :/ too < 1331514572 630328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o~o < 1331514598 232670 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(format t ":/") < 1331514607 579609 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331514627 863568 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331514634 378043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, monqy's back. < 1331514637 627850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Say hi to josefnpat_. < 1331514643 189488 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome josefnpat_ < 1331514645 905450 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :josefnpat_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331514646 93302 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick_ < 1331514648 581643 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. anyways, by being rocketed to popularity on the net, PHP got tons of crap < 1331514649 971725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1331514659 353158 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most web things < 1331514665 799989 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick, very true < 1331514676 72981 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you a second welcome monqy < 1331514679 102159 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took off and now it's half procedural with poor OOP slapped on some bits < 1331514696 937440 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like `real_' preceding some functions.. < 1331514757 461289 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL's CLOS can act a bit slapped on at times. Particularly, a lot of built-in functions are not generic < 1331514761 333068 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they could be < 1331514764 164481 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331514781 637376 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, it wouldn't be that hard to make a thin layering over the top where functions like car and cdr are generic.. < 1331514783 230938 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what about this fabled MOP I've heard of? < 1331514797 85572 :shadwick_!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 NICK :shadwick < 1331514850 500339 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about the MOP < 1331514852 699657 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still learning < 1331514874 183875 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a better object system, I think, than a lot of others, even if it is perhaps complex < 1331514896 351318 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not as thoroughly done as in, say, Smalltalk. < 1331514904 919306 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't dabbled with CL really at all, but I always hear talk of all the macros and meta programming < 1331514931 780426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CL macros are easier to understand than Scheme macros, but then again I don't know much about Scheme macros < 1331514955 287346 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a scheme macro that allowed a function to memoize results, and be defined with argument pattern matching < 1331514965 246514 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erlang or haskell's way < 1331514973 208460 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329f90.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331514976 974672 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy stuff like that < 1331514984 615224 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax changes and whatnot < 1331515016 845007 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, CL's macros can do that too. With CL macros, you literally get a chunk of the source and transform it into something else < 1331515032 944571 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, within the macro, the syntax that your macro takes can be pretty much anything you like < 1331515049 613877 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1331515060 526832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for being completely limited, lexically.) < 1331515062 641034 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard scheme's macros are stunted compared to CL though < 1331515106 83854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way that Java is stunted compared to C because you can't cause segfaults < 1331515114 588674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, Java is stunted compared to C, but not for that reason.) < 1331515166 556474 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh ok < 1331515198 532893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you do lose some power, but it's also a lot more convenient to define macros once you get used to it, and eliminates a very common source of errors. < 1331515207 363596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there's not all that many uses of the lost power in practice.) < 1331515231 116506 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, macros can take environment objects, but those are implementation-dependent. Would it be feasible to make a cross-platform library that understands each implementation (similarly to networking libraries or cffi, for example), and allows you to do sane things with the environment? < 1331515323 408433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what language you are talking about. < 1331515333 997910 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Lisp < 1331515568 128047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, then. < 1331516087 863604 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are some uses (besides hygiene) of inspecting the lexical environment? < 1331516101 283282 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PART :#esoteric < 1331516172 674181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what you mean. < 1331516284 375860 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the only deal with hygiene how it prevents hygiene errors? < 1331516290 626710 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are there benefits beyond that? < 1331516992 807988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the only deal of a type system how it prevents type errors? < 1331517019 499117 :josefnpat_!~seppi@74.40.62.82 PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1331517714 140626 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By removing all type-related errors from JS' spec and giving them defined but senseless behaviors (note: this involves almost nothing since most type errors already have senseless behavior), I can get a perfect progress guarantee with no static types. < 1331517727 656875 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing type errors like an Eich. < 1331518114 896707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ha < 1331518165 904305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I laugh, yet dearly hope no industry programmers are listening to adopt your ideas. < 1331518171 686010 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: ) < 1331518184 409588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO NODE.JS, YOU FOOL < 1331518195 913890 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about node.js < 1331518200 306966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1331518202 839865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1331518206 238394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1331518208 507122 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from js server thingy < 1331518211 277539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that much < 1331518217 228954 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. js, thingy < 1331518224 755014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why aren't you in any of the cool channels? < 1331518234 492147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You know how GHC has that awesome event manager, so you write blocking, threaded, sequential IO code and it uses epoll/kqueue asynchronous magic under the hood? < 1331518264 955172 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I do < 1331518267 392695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js is like that, except it just forces you to write your program in continuation-passing style instead. And it's cooperative, so you can't block to do a computation. Ever. < 1331518282 234737 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not exactly continuation-passing style. < 1331518292 567422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has convinced an entire generation of programmers that, as long as you tediously write every single statement as a callback, your server will be web scale. < 1331518299 239177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Uh... it's exactly CPS. < 1331518301 538333 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN ENTIRE GENERATION < 1331518306 384233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an entire generation < 1331518306 959560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an ENTIRE GENERATION. < 1331518311 579100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers live about 3 years. < 1331518313 760324 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN entire generation < 1331518314 237392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: foo(function(...) { ... }); bar(function(...) { ... }); ... < 1331518323 340936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I died long ago < 1331518331 677419 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy a programmer < 1331518345 298109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's just how you do concurrency with asynchronous CPS. < 1331518350 644395 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe when I was alive < 1331518351 123922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which one of those is the continuation? < 1331518363 175534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare forkIO (foo >>= ...); forkIO (bar >>= ...) < 1331518368 152263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about when you have button.onclick = function(...) { ... }; is that a continuation? < 1331518377 309399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1331518389 967110 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Those are hardly the same. forkIO happens at a completely different level from this CPS mess. < 1331518395 452608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that the continuation-passing view isn't very useful there. < 1331518404 891793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, for a definition of "CPS" that includes that, I agree. < 1331518410 254999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with node.js, the vast majority of programs lean heavily right. < 1331518410 629899 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't that make sense if the language had support for writing CPS as though it were more straighforward, or otherwise had first-class continuations (Scheme)? < 1331518421 419695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo factoring) < 1331518436 686573 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if the language were at least capable of supporting a way of rearranging source code (ala cl-cont) < 1331518439 313999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That would mean you're not programming in continuation-passing style. < 1331518448 296303 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but you still get the benefits of continuations < 1331518453 942304 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without any tedium < 1331518457 972877 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do-notation is exactly "support for writing CPS as though it were more straightforward" < 1331518475 917872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what do-notation does. The thing that you give >>= is a "continuation". < 1331518483 196135 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1331518511 122391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Haskell, Scheme, Common Lisp. Any of those languages would be good for this sort of thing, right? Unlike, uh. Javascript? < 1331518514 283605 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Smalltalk too < 1331518524 423121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is "but if you have a better language, you can do something different and it works better" meant to be a counterargument to anything I have said? < 1331518533 403236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the whole Cont "mother of all monads" thing works. < 1331518558 845843 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-100.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331518563 983288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-255-15.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331518638 517720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, there have been many source-transformers written for JavaScript to give it this sort of feature. < 1331518645 349057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there have. < 1331518649 589339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js programmers don't use them. < 1331518655 816663 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them do! < 1331518703 210371 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I guess it's make-fun-of-node.js-o'clock. < 1331518708 794284 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in support.
< 1331518737 886756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The part that you haven't considered is that the only alternative to using node.js is using Ruby on Rails. < 1331518744 564724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, like, what else would you use, man? < 1331518749 372383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I would pick Rails. < 1331518758 183535 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT REAL-TIME < 1331518763 858498 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE NEW WEB IS REAL-TIME < 1331518774 728211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is despite the fact that one of them is a TCP framework with an HTTP library and the other one is a web framework. < 1331518793 90013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js doesn't support UDP? < 1331518798 207822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it does. < 1331518871 774817 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opposite of JavaScript, as we know, is Haskell. < 1331518881 173159 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would be the opposite of node.js? That's right, yesde.hs. < 1331518892 242947 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A leading web framework for Haskell is called "Yesod". < 1331518896 719546 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence?????? < 1331519121 213827 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88B80.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331519140 35613 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331519157 13504 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-100.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331519445 809692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1331519462 225284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wouldn't the opposite of "de" be the country code of the opposite of Germany? < 1331519493 269002 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the opposite of Germany? < 1331519503 952730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1331519504 469549 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.od isn't a TLAAAAAAD < 1331519510 299105 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ahem. < 1331519515 199751 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how that happened. < 1331519520 968991 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I typed "TLD" < 1331519608 433313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLAAAAAAD < 1331519660 439793 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chalks it up to gremlins.
< 1331519734 102631 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Roll out the squirrel! We'll have a squirrel of TLAAAAAAD! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/ has moved servers! < 1331519823 156628 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel = Friendship? < 1331519827 354410 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1331519830 281815 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric := Gregor < 1331519830 811410 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't keep up with all your names, man. < 1331519831 470599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := shachaf < 1331519837 993305 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1331519853 996402 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Y'know, I don't usually change nicks, I was Gregor for /years/ before I switched to Friendship X-D < 1331519859 228574 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric := #esoteric < 1331519870 709607 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric := zzo38 < 1331519875 869477 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, or rather, you were variations on Gregor < 1331519880 449605 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elsewhere, you were a Lawlabee < 1331519895 883050 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331519908 496120 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fine fine, I was Gregor{,[A-Z\-].*} < 1331519918 543706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: Y'know, I don't usually change nicks, I was Gregor for /years/ before I switched to Friendship X-D < 1331519920 146344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really years. < 1331519922 662169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were GregorR for years. < 1331519933 534704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L was the best Gregor. < 1331519941 152322 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GregorR-W < 1331519943 563036 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was read-write. < 1331519957 363153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GregorWORM < 1331520223 977551 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got the nick Gregor in September 2009. < 1331520226 396408 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, years. < 1331520387 953817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like yearS. < 1331520390 700705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Singular!!! < 1331521039 572623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't usually change nicks", you say? Lame. < 1331521051 23152 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, I dare say you've yet to use a nick for a decade! < 1331521165 857325 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL I have ... I've been called Gregor for well over a decade ;) < 1331521207 365662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that doesn't matter. < 1331521427 564788 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway, my nick is now RocketJSquirrel. < 1331521428 866713 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I win. < 1331521431 201797 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1331521432 549238 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forever. < 1331521451 627951 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also available: MrPeabody < 1331521503 591929 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is MisterPeabody, for that matter. < 1331521519 369932 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used this nick for a decade < 1331521528 700253 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all in the same place, admittedly < 1331521540 307139 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had this nick for life. < 1331521562 375754 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do sgeo and Sgeo count as the same nick? < 1331521569 44647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Either way, it's a decade) < 1331521610 290635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, those are very different. < 1331521614 833500 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is a valid UNIX username. < 1331521619 132772 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other is an abomination. < 1331521628 696574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to go by Shachaf, I guess. But that's practically the same.) < 1331521650 464676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick is about to have its 15th anniversary. < 1331521660 793712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaay. < 1331521684 463144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I capitalize. For great justice. < 1331521713 804242 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do UNIX usernames count as nicks? < 1331521724 78817 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz my username has been "gregor" for well over a decade too X-D < 1331521730 132921 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeabomination < 1331521773 877256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has also been using this for the majority of his life
< 1331521929 110394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been called "Elliott" my entire life!!! < 1331521962 69724 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My similar statement was already vetoed. < 1331521985 895495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't been called RocketJSquirrel your entire life. < 1331521989 997898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally different. < 1331521998 39367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a similar statement about /Gregor/ X-D < 1331522087 74790 :Sgeabomination!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1331522168 554056 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331522467 981290 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331522470 390808 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331522554 615943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331523822 353850 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331523830 463484 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey folks < 1331523905 338062 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1331524329 838132 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue! < 1331524335 975766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're practically anti-scary. < 1331524342 743650 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1331524351 226227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1331524461 925310 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question: has anyone ever heard of a female-identified person inventing an esolang or writing a program in one? < 1331524469 964352 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i feel like this community is all dudes < 1331524594 470007 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 NICK :MSleep < 1331524622 418983 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's even like a token counterexample < 1331524727 537531 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331524790 796803 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331524867 238719 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Lenore Blum co-created the BSS machine < 1331524889 290040 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really esoteric in that it is hypothetical < 1331524894 859581 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that on esowiki? < 1331524936 544574 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in academia < 1331524961 300900 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reading about it on that other wiki now < 1331524994 869655 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you haven't figured it out by now, my answer is no < 1331525011 732452 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331525026 576824 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Females tend to have different concepts of weirdness than males < 1331525038 733902 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think what it is really, even more than that < 1331525050 592701 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the whole field of computing has a gender imbalance problem < 1331525062 697868 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if one of them created a language, it would have the potential to be really, really esoteric < 1331525065 400243 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Robotnik made the Mean Bean Machine. < 1331525065 631222 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really esoteric in that it is a Puyo Puyo game. < 1331525087 965334 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sayin' dr. robotnik uses the ladies room these days, or what? < 1331525109 890960 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ah i misunderstood where you were going with that < 1331525112 331932 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, i jsut compied what WIkipedia said it was. < 1331525113 192191 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages in academia tend to not be classified as esoteric for some reason < 1331525129 180249 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we have an article on P'' < 1331525143 199805 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff on tag machines and minsky machines and of course, UTMs < 1331525144 719681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but does it call P'' an esolang? < 1331525147 422825 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be relevant < 1331525148 482489 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331525160 500628 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331525175 572260 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd certainly consider fractran an esolang < 1331525178 246846 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I just read about the BSS machine without looking at the lines above that. < 1331525184 812763 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are languages created for recreational purposes, I suppose < 1331525189 230869 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-245-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525200 129373 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-232-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331525254 429626 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the ladies tend to not consider this activity recreational < 1331525284 21381 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just enjoy the puzzles < 1331525298 161767 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :started an interpreter for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Alchemy today because it doesn't have one < 1331525299 506293 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a brainteaser really < 1331525306 933035 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like doing crossword puzzles but for computer scientists < 1331525311 722968 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a particularly tricky language, but fun anyways < 1331525363 122767 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it functioning in a few hours haha, but I need to contact the creator to work out a few uncertanties < 1331525379 547773 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha, i love how it calls exceptions "explosions" < 1331525400 364281 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deletes all files in the same folder, whaaat < 1331525408 135012 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't put that part in < 1331525421 527952 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it kinda makes sense for doing 'chemistry' < 1331525437 950500 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1331525440 938530 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1331525450 458197 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my C already parses input and performs all the right actions < 1331525461 251625 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just showed my sortle quine to a girl i had over (what got me thinking about the gender imbalance in the esolang community) < 1331525463 436165 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just need to fill in the few lines of code for the Reaction Processes < 1331525469 948246 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's a chemist, i wonder if she would dig this language < 1331525474 263577 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1331525483 473094 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Project, Fuse, and Cerate working < 1331525487 862708 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are trivial < 1331525495 785484 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the framework is pretty much all complete < 1331525500 867283 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it in, but jsut always remember to store untested programs in subfodler fume_hood. < 1331525511 158819 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah haha < 1331525554 928177 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525566 511092 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a funny language < 1331525572 942363 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to ask evincar about some of the other reactions, and the pre-defined elements < 1331525613 113424 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause (to be decided) from 4 years ago ain't gonna show up in the Wiki unless I ask < 1331525629 170656 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just make it up and edit the wiki < 1331525679 442341 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but I wanna see if he has an opinion first < 1331525746 436292 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331525812 469742 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525938 350227 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-137.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525939 254253 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331525995 217796 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526020 938559 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331526087 140501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-245-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526131 156766 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526258 912089 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526306 40541 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: i keep getting you mixed up with shachaf < 1331526325 568555 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me some random interesting fact about yourself so i'll remember the difference < 1331526355 641649 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I bet shachaf has a comp sci degreee < 1331526357 301730 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not < 1331526362 170788 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick is secretly a candle. < 1331526364 777821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the "wick". < 1331526369 36260 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you know?! < 1331526370 980663 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have no comp sci degree. < 1331526379 140105 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sensative topic < 1331526389 307990 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok. so that's not a difference haha < 1331526398 503897 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a CS degree either < 1331526400 584014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-251.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526411 151157 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shachaf Canadian> < 1331526427 28532 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what you mean by "Canadian". < 1331526432 804106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-137.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331526451 670614 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's be more specific; a resident of Canada < 1331526465 305276 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331526466 85959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've *been* to Canada... < 1331526470 175369 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1331526472 886256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live pretty nearby. < 1331526478 824913 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washington> < 1331526488 143841 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/?/ ugh < 1331526494 221498 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331526502 345574 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live there, yes. < 1331526509 55086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526519 863617 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: graue isn't scary! < 1331526524 868202 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue is a like a teddy bear. < 1331526571 380586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1331526684 355983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Are you scary? < 1331526687 998735 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331526754 289030 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just trying to lure you in < 1331526757 204133 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower your defenses < 1331526805 569260 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are unlikely to be eaten by a graue. < 1331526823 737507 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're an onion < 1331526834 594071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is an onion. < 1331526838 852467 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why. < 1331526843 314106 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it, yes < 1331526897 921994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of being an onion, is "graue", in fact, derived from "grue"? < 1331526970 991723 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1331526982 571589 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331526999 633760 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a random word that popped into my head, probably 10+ years ago now < 1331527004 769835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-226-251.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331527011 811754 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i since found out that it is a form of the german adjective for "grey" < 1331527026 79527 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was not the intent either < 1331527238 985565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331527554 153135 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-222-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331527565 321480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331527592 324875 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331527808 713425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:54:21: random question: has anyone ever heard of a female-identified person inventing an esolang or writing a program in one? < 1331527808 956776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been a few in here over the years, so technically yes; I suspect the obscurity of the community amplifies the unfortunate demographics of computing in general < 1331527880 159355 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has fax done? < 1331527926 119060 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether there "have been a few" is what i was wondering; i realized i could not think of any < 1331527977 157046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Razor-X/Sukoshi, Madoka-Kaname and fax are the ones I can think of < 1331528009 716106 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax is female? < 1331528390 489126 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all emerald grue, or are all emeralds actually bleen instead? < 1331528413 483626 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're bleen < 1331528415 620641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331528417 443547 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the yelple ones < 1331528470 105270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magenquoise is my favourite colour. < 1331528495 920711 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a proper colour? < 1331528506 34827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well? < 1331528509 863041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it a proper colour? < 1331528643 301950 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you have a CS degree? < 1331528655 329496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1331528663 935439 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS° < 1331528669 947524 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just shameful < 1331528670 772107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a CS degree? < 1331528674 620264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a combination of C° and the well-known S° < 1331528678 943587 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott doesn't have a CS degree [[Category:Shameful]] < 1331528689 656272 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I don't have. Sorry < 1331528692 4436 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Do you have a CS degree? < 1331528699 85027 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i'll soon have a mathematics degree < 1331528703 545811 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough right? < 1331528719 691402 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: Close enough for what purpose? < 1331528728 566119 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding shame < 1331528733 517730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if the lowly practicality of mathematics can stand up to the True Art of pure computer science < 1331528747 372368 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, whatever, more like vice versa < 1331528753 223180 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331528761 762021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke :( < 1331528767 137444 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :) < 1331528785 160734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Deewiant might actually have a CS degree! our saviour at last < 1331528800 538927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people said it isn't science and doesn't have to do with computers; that is like saying astronomy is about telescopes. < 1331528815 627621 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331528823 31733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331528858 674782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some people" is dijkstra's most famous alias < 1331528884 819456 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how dijkstra has three of the most common loop variables in his name in order < 1331528917 260732 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i see his name i think of nested for-loops < 1331528928 513255 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts graue in a denest
< 1331528930 331359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i wrote depth-four loops so I could use "s" as the next variable < 1331528938 509578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't, four is too much for me < 1331528941 483262 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a denest? < 1331528953 289375 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue, some CL macro I came across recently < 1331529022 330393 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lisp-editor.berlios.de/autodoc/Package_DENEST.html < 1331529086 701794 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lispy for me to understand at the moment < 1331529185 508314 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have describe my "Ibtlfmm" idea as something like combine Haskell with Lisp; it is something like that. But really my idea something like a few stuff from Haskell, Lisp, LLVM, and a few others. < 1331529265 614530 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(denest (dolist (i '(1 2 3))) (dolist (j '(4 5 6))) (format t "~a ~a" i j)) becomes < 1331529276 564822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: didn't you say that yesterday and the day before :p < 1331529294 948738 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What timezone? < 1331529298 802490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1331529302 799263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure which one i'm in < 1331529308 893946 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dolist (i '(1 2 3)) (dolist (j '(4 5 6)) (format t "~a ~a" i j))) < 1331529327 517685 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with denest, you don't have to have the rest of the body physically contained within the macro dolist < 1331529357 582987 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use Astrolog or similar software to figure out what timezone you are currently in. < 1331529380 632754 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes there are easier ways to determine timezones
< 1331529404 672151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, if you have GPS, you can just look it up in a map after you know your location from GPS. < 1331529417 583282 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask a man on the street, but at this hour he might be drunk < 1331529428 488145 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was thinking that it's plausible to know location without knowing timezone
< 1331529430 359121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i know where i am < 1331529430 595352 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then... what's "this hour"? we come back to the question of timezones < 1331529436 433197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know what timezone the ground is in < 1331529440 757952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure what timezone i'm in < 1331529452 703084 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in the one that the ground is in < 1331529470 895963 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your position somehow not synchronized with the ground? < 1331529485 630709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: that's not true at all! < 1331529492 395158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's jetlag, if not a mismatch between ground timezone and head timezone? < 1331529494 645702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott picking at the idea of a human being in a timezone? < 1331529515 523438 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f6db.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331529521 896599 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly it becomes clear. < 1331529525 133765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by picking < 1331529527 806072 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Astrolog will help < 1331529530 600922 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use UTC times, or local timezone, or solar time, or sidereal time, or something else. < 1331529576 450028 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it will help; but GPS will work better, if you have map of timezones. < 1331529581 993051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or he could use the time zone which best maps to his sleep schedule. < 1331529592 11113 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, astrolog would have to be somewhat psychic. < 1331529615 389878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said time zone has a very confusing mapping with UTC. < 1331529620 77495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+elliott. < 1331529634 248607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes that is another way < 1331529653 558085 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You would have to look out the window and figure out what matches it best < 1331529673 946205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is the best mathematical constant. < 1331529680 637083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only constant that isn't constant, for one < 1331529681 702425 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure things like the sun don't actually correspond to elliott-time. < 1331529691 408748 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fine structure constant? < 1331529702 26699 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of unknown constanticity. < 1331529705 659105 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1331529717 177633 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I understand. And I know how to do it: Use an alarm clock. < 1331529763 697468 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to attempt to obliterate the phenomenon that is elliott-time? < 1331529802 464311 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331529848 160256 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "elliott" is here being used as a shorthand for the result of applying elliott :: Timestamp -> Offset to the current time. < 1331529861 106297 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The person who wrote Astrolog once said he had a dream of a new feature which teleports you to a location which it charts. But it doesn't do that of course.) < 1331529872 281104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure the function is total. < 1331529925 320590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: elliott :: Behaviour Offset, man. < 1331529954 243666 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reactive-banana is British? < 1331529993 628046 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think it's elliott :: IO Offset < 1331530024 719275 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say that elliott-human is not a value? < 1331530041 403459 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if it was, you shouldn't need the IO < 1331530046 948553 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1331530050 67957 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottHuman < 1331530058 819816 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theelliotthuman < 1331530064 54455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fine, *Behaviour p Offset, now it's Sodium. < 1331530081 62026 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course elliott-human is not a value, there is no instance of Num for IO Offset. < 1331530106 420982 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a bit Lisp-addled
< 1331530112 825080 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, lispAddled < 1331530188 514361 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a an asshat
< 1331530193 737703 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a // < 1331530226 452391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1331530242 945421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1331530271 537745 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may not have majored in CS, but at least i'm a major asshole! < 1331530291 978591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's our motto < 1331530298 637649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :i may not have majored in CS, but at least i'm a major asshole! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331530858 617231 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: see my most recent post to a-b < 1331530942 577400 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just humorous, or scam attempt, possibly based on "a", implying weird things if ... hmm < 1331530970 40144 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, "an" < 1331531003 858847 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should shutup < 1331531009 730181 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's BlogNomic doing these days? < 1331531200 290387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why's that make you an asshat < 1331531220 703490 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because it's worse than a suffusion of yellow < 1331531239 751200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hmm, why? < 1331531249 502954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the courts basically get to decide what the exception is < 1331531257 535799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can always just decide it's something that will never ever happen < 1331531262 919971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "after five thousand billion years this rule doesn't apply" < 1331531665 275059 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could the judge use it to seize power? < 1331531791 672183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :appeals < 1331531959 227718 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there are exceptions in the appeals rules? < 1331532155 910647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull another one, lindrum < 1331532234 766279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1331532238 750524 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Lindrum < 1331532248 672057 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am not actually Lindrum) < 1331532327 813502 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Lindrum heard from relatively recently? < 1331532527 246999 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/nomicworld/norrish/dictator-lindrum wow almost 20 years ago < 1331532601 586647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NomicWorld was 20 years ago. < 1331532621 320256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora was 19. < 1331532654 854433 :graue!~sf@c-75-72-201-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331532703 123782 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331532716 231865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331532716 939175 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-253-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331532742 686855 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1331532794 458538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lindrum < 1331533076 923122 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :gTwo2002 < 1331533093 695561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331533101 94970 :gTwo2002!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asiekierka < 1331533265 715662 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331533475 837274 :Lindrum!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1331533512 44320 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might picolisp be more suited as a nomic than CL, considering that Picolisp functions (except for primitives) are transparent? < 1331533694 996641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331533945 685765 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331534108 72007 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dudes < 1331534135 637346 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hilbert curve has the interesting property that if you take it as a sequence, values close to each other in sequence will also be close in the 2d space mapping < 1331534143 697650 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea if there is a pattern for which the reverse is true? < 1331534213 220162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it true for ... the hilbert curve? < 1331534315 739815 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1331534412 199761 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking no too, but then who knows, it's math < 1331534427 859827 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though now that i think about it i realize the points don't have to be connected and i can probably arrange a pattern that meets the criteria i want < 1331534440 32442 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: look at, say, the four points in the center of the hilbert curve < 1331534449 124453 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not sequentially near each other, in fact they are very far < 1331534454 980762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1331534455 167456 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a -> b but not b -> a < 1331534464 497137 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a case of b -> a but i'm thinking probably not < 1331534563 447279 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, since things needn't be connected, i'm looking for something a bit looser: a sequence of points for which all the points in any 4x4 (?) area fall within ~40 of each other, or thereabouts, and that may just be possible < 1331534706 824180 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535247 170267 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331535301 592484 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535302 111933 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331535302 298736 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331535418 114722 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Excess Flood < 1331535513 196353 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331536266 640164 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331536452 868244 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION must make a Common Lisp alternative to BYOND
< 1331536585 19196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1331536651 707575 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81f6db.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331537435 267833 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be? < 1331537436 200914 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1331538490 379910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> indeed < 1331538931 422459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan remind me to ask you the question i was going to ask < 1331538931 645007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1331539210 381852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331539318 52296 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should slepep < 1331539340 829001 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, monqy tswett update < 1331539345 228762 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1331541087 42221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1331542825 141114 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the random page for Optimism, which is an OISC, with the instruction being "ADDOV". Anyone know what that operation do? The page doesn't explicitly say so. It takes 3 operands and I know it'll end up adding the 1st and 2nd, and possibly jumping to the 3rd (an address) < 1331542834 451315 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone just know what the condition for the jump is>? < 1331543603 300438 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331543658 380264 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-31.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331543903 915622 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-223.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331544867 317809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545288 157472 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e531.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545614 283270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-139.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331545653 59922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-250-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1331545766 377619 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D6B4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331547017 73444 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-218.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331547178 459020 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-155-223.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331547859 798059 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331548117 271566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:00:25: I was reading the random page for Optimism, which is an OISC, with the instruction being "ADDOV". Anyone know what that operation do? The page doesn't explicitly say so. It takes 3 operands and I know it'll end up adding the 1st and 2nd, and possibly jumping to the 3rd (an address) < 1331548122 326306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:00:34: anyone just know what the condition for the jump is>? < 1331548149 803378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the name and the "Always goes to the next instruction, even on overflow" comment, i'd guess it jumps when the addition overflows. < 1331548470 670939 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with both source and jump FF? < 1331548475 896620 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleepepepeppppppppp < 1331548557 858990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a literal FF will happen. < 1331548571 133041 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, dunno how I missed that < 1331548619 132086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a literal fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu, more like < 1331548890 701874 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The author claims that his calculator does just-in-time compilation. What would you do to prove or disprove his claim without attempting to unravel the source?" < 1331549051 256886 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-125-141.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331549060 636378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: is that a comment on your ioccc program? :P < 1331549081 513655 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1331549090 489324 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to decide if the reviewers actually read it or not ;) < 1331549246 484545 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-218.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331549367 647932 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I like how easy Optimism was to write an interpreter for hahaa < 1331549411 799302 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll create a Wiki account and add it to that page < 1331549939 34002 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331550332 52594 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1331551207 920777 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331551238 370315 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-5d81e531.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331551247 805025 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1331551264 730689 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331552459 661657 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-132-147.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331552634 587762 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-125-141.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331552745 456093 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D6B4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331552989 429458 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-118-163.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331553184 548377 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-132-147.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331554716 83159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331554787 568113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331557176 383118 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-190-214.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331557366 120489 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331557622 747429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs code.*inherit < 1331557650 629014 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-118-163.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331557654 169125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drums fingers
< 1331557660 114436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331557663 878268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1331557667 834530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs code.*inherit < 1331557683 321576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6146 < 1331557882 370223 :MoALTz!~no@92.8.234.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558058 752913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331558105 473588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558213 890030 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331558248 345166 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-153-139.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1331558328 911076 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331558444 8633 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db43a7b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331558705 470515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1331559103 106675 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-205-211.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331559248 559131 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560180 432112 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C98A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560426 674101 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331560586 62291 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331560641 807531 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1331563235 709754 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331563252 516581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1331563665 789686 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: okay, you don't seem to be here any more, but let me try to answer your question anyway. < 1331563701 674619 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hilbert curve has the property that values close to each other in the domain are also close to each other in the range. In other words, the Hilbert curve is continuous. < 1331563751 198213 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be asking if there's a map like it, except its inverse is continuous. < 1331563820 453552 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Hilbert curve is a continuous surjective map [0,1] -> [0,1]^2, and I think essentially we're looking for some sort of continuous map [0,1]^2 -> [0,1]. < 1331563896 784278 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are tons of continuous *surjective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1]. Among them are f(x,y) = x, f(x,y) = y, f(x,y) = xy, and f(x,y) = (x + y)/2. < 1331563913 48841 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for continuous *injective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1], I'm pretty sure none exist. < 1331564175 381302 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like the continuous injective map is what you want. But since there are none, you'll have to make do with some approximation. < 1331567278 327525 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331567345 641166 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’ve got a mirror of my sccs repository at github." haha wut < 1331567355 411742 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I’ve got a mirror of my sccs repository at github. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1331568310 96331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568684 752340 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568693 738358 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1331568717 120329 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568767 175423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331568954 708569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331569199 789948 :kmc!~keegan@c-24-130-174-20.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331571180 848244 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331571793 985570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331573051 709888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331574194 922091 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331574533 954900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331575247 877894 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.225.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331575738 654795 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331575752 814497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1331576172 543976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another channel: http://i.imgur.com/bFB2A.gif < 1331576438 955564 :MoALTz!~no@92.8.234.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331576832 192885 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331577177 718295 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331577185 954124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331578137 81404 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1331578629 872925 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch championofbirds.com Wednesday for the GREATEST INTERVIEW EVER. < 1331579534 765098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331579546 908283 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-235-89.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1331580712 624350 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331580730 225761 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331580829 784891 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331580863 134062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331580892 37266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331580917 924477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331580983 932930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html is really out of date < 1331581001 314313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions GPLv3, but most of its comments about other licenses are written from the point of view of a world where GPLv3 doesn't exit < 1331581003 524181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist < 1331581019 649789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. calling 4-clause BSD GPL-incompatible (it is compatible with v3 but not v2) < 1331581020 447471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581391 949350 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-192.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581399 88116 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-192.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1331581399 275160 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1331581741 547398 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331581951 70848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582097 386571 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582546 812137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582734 832526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for continuous *injective* maps [0,1]^2 -> [0,1], I'm pretty sure none exist. < 1331582741 494721 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1331582755 31635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by compactness of [0,1]^2, the inverse would automatically be continuous. < 1331582797 979972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1331582806 275742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1331582872 805891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then look at any circle inside it - it must map to an infinite subset of [0,1] which is connected if you remove a point (like the circle itself). but no such subset exists. < 1331582923 376185 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1331582923 563037 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1331582936 784533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...disappointing. < 1331582938 756342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a myndzi deficit. < 1331582940 60917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi isn't here < 1331582974 509026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1331582978 962036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw a similar theorem is true for any [0,1]^m to [0,1]^n with m > n, but that is much deeper.) < 1331582982 75589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's not SCCS. < 1331582991 286740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's SCCS as a generic term for any source control system. < 1331582992 380446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Invariance of Domain) < 1331583003 516915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: boring < 1331583044 712921 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331583051 829522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, I didn't have to logread to know where that was from.) < 1331583079 758083 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But nobody uses "SCCS" as a generic term anymore ... they use RCS or VCS. < 1331583103 858299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Nobody uses libc4 any more, either. Unless I'm mistaken about the source, you shouldn't be surprised. < 1331583153 170944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He actually uses some static libc4/a.out systems by choice... which requires him to *maintain libc4*.) < 1331583216 171219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:30: "The author claims that his calculator does just-in-time compilation. What would you do to prove or disprove his claim without attempting to unravel the source?" < 1331583225 80030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you/we talking about? < 1331583225 530104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Congrats, you successfully befuddled the IOCCC organisers < 1331583248 441848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I HOEP I'M NOT TOO LATE: < 1331583249 479911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | `\o/ | | | `\o/ | | | < 1331583249 666831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : /| |\ >\ | /| /| /< | /< /< /^\ < 1331583249 667071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : /`\ (_|\ < 1331583249 667180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : (_| |_) |_) < 1331583260 456030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have bodies! < 1331583262 334663 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1331583279 164480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is suddenly reminded of a certain scene in the akira manga
< 1331583294 741206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm talking about the author of http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/discount/ < 1331583308 883255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : (He actually uses some static libc4/a.out systems by choice... which requires him to *maintain libc4*.) // holy crap indeed O_O < 1331583309 109228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which contains the topic sentence < 1331583314 676471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You forgot to remind me. < 1331583328 103433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/libc/ < 1331583332 932734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"portland or us" < 1331583342 170076 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: However, that just makes me think that it's even more likely that he uses SCCS ;) < 1331583344 801935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. well you weren't around when i read the message. < 1331583347 502582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: He's the maximally curmudgeonly Linux user! < 1331583440 474115 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, it seems I befuddled the IOCCC. < 1331583445 722649 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This program does shit. We have no idea why." < 1331583448 716496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like the "gl*bc" spelling. It's good to hide dirty words. < 1331583522 566175 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Libc4? < 1331583540 986463 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr durr, my router is broken again... it's almost refusing to connect to anything < 1331583650 109663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: congratulations again :P < 1331583791 185760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, ping < 1331583798 234484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know not enough C to enter the IOCCC < 1331583802 299446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pong < 1331583806 357448 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331583807 925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the ping? why the ugh? < 1331583816 210626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shadwick > 1331584291 601536 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584291 928439 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584292 386513 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1331584293 137323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584294 667079 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1331584295 720800 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584296 88173 :RocketJSquirrel!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: I saw, but I have no idea why. > 1331584296 235593 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584305 973091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can give you the practical purpose I want this for if it's too abstract :P) < 1331584315 541650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's zzo38's barrier monad, isn't it. < 1331584318 827638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, and F a = Cofree ((->) a) < 1331584322 882389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's definitely a comonad < 1331584326 123112 :RocketJSquirrel!~RawIRC@c-98-223-59-98.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1331584330 302681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you say every monad is the barrier monad! < 1331584330 778221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random thought occured to me.. could a non-human sentient being learn to use a turing complete language? < 1331584340 500505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure his barrier thing had multiple constructors. < 1331584352 362372 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, probably < 1331584358 299864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it could... would we become evil bastards and enslave the animals < 1331584361 520533 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO sapient < 1331584374 415217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1331584379 349201 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584384 79906 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering it's cheaper to use actual computers < 1331584384 497380 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its bad enough that we trap pigs in cages their whole lives just to get nicer food than soy < 1331584400 494453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't need to muck out computers very often. < 1331584405 443816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :training animals to program as slave programmers would be just worse < 1331584426 24937 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bots may sometimes crash for literally no god damn reason ... < 1331584428 26469 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least I'm an IOCCC winner! < 1331584438 910911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect a bug in the framework they all use. < 1331584444 371479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do with line length or something. < 1331584448 774002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A segfault. < 1331584452 365226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well ok, a simplified barrier monad then < 1331584464 75560 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably. < 1331584486 35347 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the barrier monad? < 1331584524 445988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE BARRIER MONAD IS THE MOST COMPLEX MEANINGLESS JUMBLE IN EXISTENCE EVERYTHING IS A SIMPLIFIED BARRIER MONAD :P < 1331584525 296480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [z]zo38>.*data Barrier < 1331584555 798441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9662806/is-there-any-haskell-land-equivalent-to-the-ruby-lands-bundler-et-al-and-if-n I like the part where this is a whiny blog post disguised as a question. < 1331584562 270368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1331584564 123022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [z]zo38>.*data Barrier < 1331584577 241368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-09-23.txt:20:12:26: OK. Barrier monads: data Barrier f b t = Unit t | Barrier f (b -> Barrier f b t) | Fail String; ("Fail String" is optional) < 1331584590 330696 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584598 413874 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584601 700112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he had an extra argument < 1331584635 91359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's totally different. < 1331584637 740774 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what a hipster programmer < 1331584664 650678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: while you're investigating, fix HackEgo's tendence to time out on commands after long delays ;P < 1331584665 814365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. he must be a politician < 1331584703 867991 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his fist at oerjan.
< 1331584713 68332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delays after previous command, that is, not while waiting.) < 1331584750 113948 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [v]ehemently < 1331584754 276116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree :: Functor h => (a -> b) -> (a -> h a) -> a -> Cofree h b < 1331584754 455315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree g1 g2 = g1 &&& fmap (anaCofree g1 g2) . g2 >>> Cofree < 1331584754 617165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for goodness' sake... < 1331584756 870138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-15.txt:01:56:50: elliott: you vehemently denied this < 1331584784 454276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id &&& fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) . tailCofree >>> Cofree < 1331584793 76087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1331584853 814657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: insane opinion: all websites should be dark-text-on-light-background, so that when I prefer the reverse, I can just reverse-video the entire browser rather than changing for individual pages < 1331584885 583245 :shadwick_!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331584978 662120 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a new theory on backups i call RAID 7 .. the basic idea is that you create a textfile list of all the filenames and directories on your disk, and store it online somewhere < 1331584995 736699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why backup just the names? < 1331585010 167470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to be honest thats all you really care about < 1331585026 134446 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331585030 985616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, typically the file contents are more important than the file names < 1331585038 819346 :shadwick_!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 NICK :shadwick < 1331585039 303183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the file isn't redownloadable < 1331585048 143464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... one must take into account that the internet is actually getting faster < 1331585066 883154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there are quite a few files I have that aren't stored online anywhere < 1331585069 404522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what backups are /for/ < 1331585193 962165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you arguing with the debate equivalent of fungot < 1331585194 124268 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have any of you guys! < 1331585198 769196 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I lost the files, but all I need is ... linkedlist.c < 1331585236 775635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should really write a bot to replace itidus < 1331585240 384445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because I don't pay enough attention to figure out personalities of people unless I've talked to them really lots < 1331585244 509191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then replace itidus with it < 1331585258 390697 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that itidus can be boosted up the ranks < 1331585285 72436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x = Cofree (id x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) (tailCofree x)) < 1331585294 580876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x = Cofree (x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) (tailCofree x)) < 1331585308 179118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCofree x@(Cofree (_,t)) = Cofree (x, fmap (anaCofree id tailCofree) t) < 1331585315 165800 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental reason for the previous few posts with my id in them is that i am not actually here for the same reason as the others < 1331585322 759915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x@(Cofree (_,t)) = Cofree (x, fmap foo t) < 1331585325 510271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1331585380 996427 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i sort of am, but i arrived here with really no understanding of compilers.. i didn't even realize there was any math behind it < 1331585381 733636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaCoffee, the categorically best coffee < 1331585444 992202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that the most difficult part would be deciding on reserved keywords and optimal assembly code equivalents of syntactical structures < 1331585467 132743 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite literally what i thought < 1331585539 978725 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 10% room for misrepresentation of myself < 1331585551 197062 :shadwick!80bd451f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.189.69.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1331585668 162947 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am amused by FURscript < 1331585959 157646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw I'm using this type to represent things of the form (f . foldl' g z) < 1331585972 101877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can zip these so they run in tandem on a single list < 1331585976 870170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (/) <$> sumF <*> lengthF DTRT < 1331585994 507906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to it by starting with this type (not discovered by me, other people have talked about it) < 1331586008 590656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = forall s. Fold s (s -> a -> s) (s -> b) < 1331586020 612095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and factoring out the existential; all we can do is plug in an a to get a new one, or convert it to a b, so < 1331586026 438619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = Fold (a -> Fold a b) b < 1331586067 691075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1331586126 225064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the problem with the Monad instance is that it destroys this by keeping around the original list, making it no better than just doing it the usual way :( < 1331586139 56405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is inherent, because you could decide what fold you're going to zip it with based on the final result of a previous one < 1331586157 415047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means folding the two in tandem and discarding the conses as you go is impossible < 1331586228 931360 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331586900 367479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331586924 84275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331587011 354963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1331587069 590436 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331587110 489798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why doesn't ! align="left" | work in my wiki table :( < 1331587334 48084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331587344 812892 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-91-235.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331587537 550743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: link? < 1331587551 736007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still in preview stage < 1331587617 998588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: put the relevant table on the sandbox? < 1331587655 569306 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1331587733 959214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i did something earlier today and discarded the attempt, which i'm now trying to redo. < 1331587750 889504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331587878 947510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t first < 1331587879 777072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c d. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a (b, d) (c, d) < 1331587901 328701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that a Fold that only works on non-empty lists would be useful. < 1331587905 230216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could define things like first < 1331587920 206574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = Fold (a -> (b, Fold a b)) -- hey, it's the automaton arrow. < 1331587946 925924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok i saved it as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Qdeql#Example_structure , everything except the alignment of most of the dark cells now looks as i want it. < 1331587977 42414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why does \\/\/\\/\// have a funny background < 1331587992 10902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel you are sorely misusing th elements somewhat < 1331588014 953034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure what it's meant to look like, so < 1331588050 622794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i want to mark the cells that have non-default values. i tried bold but - and = don't get distinguished enough with it < 1331588073 162535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i _still_ would like the left column title cells to be left aligned, i think. < 1331588081 111747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll fix the left column < 1331588088 16956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I defined a class that just did the background without the bolding or centring? < 1331588104 384181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bolding is nice though. < 1331588126 798348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the idea of non-heading cells that look identical to headings :( < 1331588132 297539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess not bolding will distinguish it from that < 1331588166 551354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1331588200 361907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ! style="text-align: left" | works < 1331588205 700041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1331588207 231728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though I feel you want right alignment < 1331588209 168295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not left < 1331588215 332532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how wide it is < 1331588245 708507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i didn't want it to get confused with the actual data inside < 1331588256 600214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well perhaps < 1331588268 927309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an awful lot of whitespace with left-alignment (I only left-aligned two rows to test because I'm lazy) < 1331588281 474414 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-234-226.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331588303 286948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how you can tell if elliott's in the channel by the ratio of message lines to join/quit lines. < 1331588303 528378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1331588334 495069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose centering the left column isn't _that_ bad. < 1331588347 754997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it less wide instead < 1331588355 565168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :change <]> and beginning of . < 1331588355 935338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1331588360 320448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>
and beginning of . < 1331588361 25643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1331588370 459126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1331588406 998128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1331588429 43585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes the size there different from all the other rows < 1331588440 504822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331588472 971012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just that "<]> and beginning of ." is stretching that column really wide < 1331588489 470697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSON.org License Literally Says it "shall be used for Good, not Evil" (java.dzone.com) < 1331588497 343877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit Literally Discovers "the same things, Over and Over Again" < 1331588524 215086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<]>; start of . < 1331588531 373727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be shorter < 1331588593 180915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need Tufte to redesign your tables. < 1331588602 963181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say :P < 1331588657 266551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, forgive what I am about to do. < 1331588661 780460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, Madoka-Kaname. < 1331588674 503846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: QUICK BAN HIM < 1331588689 537566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wattattat < 1331588998 772064 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1331589026 930396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i put the style in the wrong place now < 1331589079 908859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1331589091 553787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generate the wikicode with a perl script < 1331589116 398734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: [[The license includes this restriction: "The software shall be used for good, not evil." If your conscience cannot live with that, then choose a different package.]] < 1331589128 752822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: GOD OK you're a javascripter, you must come across Crockford IRL occasionally. < 1331589130 339148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE punch him. < 1331589146 195039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331589167 941631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just doing it once, then repeating n and . in vim < 1331589176 768981 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331589180 765041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i put it in the code tag instead of at the ! < 1331589235 162441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it worked < 1331589251 862622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1331589285 448915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everyone can understand the qdeql translation! < 1331589293 858893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cackles more madly than usual
< 1331589347 155178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think there's a cell that should be grey < 1331589433 65123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : RocketJSquirrel: GOD OK you're a javascripter, you must come across Crockford IRL occasionally. // I haven't, in fact. But yes, he's a dummy. < 1331589472 354791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, find him. < 1331589475 524866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find him, and punch him. < 1331589494 225563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr someone noticing that terms like that are enough to make it incompatible with gpl < 1331589512 146247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That makes it incompatible with everything. < 1331589514 583520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, gpl mandates that evil must be allowed. < 1331589528 206268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amounts to "you can't do anything with this, I might sue you". < 1331589545 256817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well that's obvious, see DFSG#6 "No discrimination against fields of endeavor, like commercial use." < 1331589799 873641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1331589986 944410 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/Flower_opened_8869.html < 1331590078 660597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'VE READ THAT A KAJILLION TIMES < 1331590092 406851 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but it's relevant ;) < 1331590099 783040 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody is even worse at licensing than Crockford. < 1331590110 19314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they were precise < 1331590132 639066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey italicising the 7 in 7n is a sin < 1331590145 884932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1331590157 720585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s*i*n, of course) < 1331590170 549891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the positive side, i now know someone is reading my edits. < 1331590209 943463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i review all the edits on the wiki. it is my duty < 1331590235 569488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, although it isn't. < 1331590280 214818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm is "Can you understand now?" a zzoism < 1331590310 815731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got it :) < 1331590357 545940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1331590420 598305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had this eerie feeling of being just as incomprehensible. < 1331590495 513754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually get a vague gist of what zzo38 is saying. < 1331590501 670887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i have no idea how the translation of bf to qdeql works. < 1331590507 484855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... you win! < 1331590520 923757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL NO IDEA? < 1331590544 892591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i feel compelled to point out i also have no idea how the underload minimisation works. or /// being TC. < 1331590601 481665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the qdeql translation is a little simpler, well maybe except for the factory. < 1331590621 101942 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1331590699 302815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read my discussion with graue? < 1331590707 192164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logs? < 1331590709 658433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1331590710 756295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't logread yet. < 1331590719 431552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a couple days ago < 1331590740 876459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1331590751 264555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well do you mean the discussion when i was there? < 1331590759 468539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall if you were < 1331590768 286775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not helpful :P < 1331590833 948784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway i explained to graue how it started with the epiphany that \\/\// would skip an arbitrary number of 255 0 0 copies, and that the factory grew out of how to replace the zero lost at the end of that loop. < 1331590845 950594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i remember that < 1331590858 94746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1331591180 256297 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331591191 145634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-53.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1331591237 831329 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1331591738 915779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1331591741 945406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leap second comin' our day < 1331591761 317116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for some months, surely? < 1331591768 200837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :june < 1331591842 914142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someones playing mario music on a piano. why should you care? i'm not entirely sure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eKxxYlHbJs < 1331593288 563098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-42.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1331593301 556951 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-115.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1331594206 815234 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1331594230 735744 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1331594231 93134 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-12-127.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1331594231 255001 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1331594786 764634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1331595413 251321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: Why are you not here. < 1331595467 993362 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you are a secondary expert, so tell me, web o' flies could presumably be used to add save states to a game (just replay up to a given point to "load"), no? 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