< 1332028809 890910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-145-116.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332029393 642056 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332029395 617939 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1332029471 106818 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1332029526 333677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1332029629 573953 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely unintentionally, Icosahedral RPG differs from D&D 3E in almost the completely opposite way to 4E differing from 3E. I started Icosahedral even before 4E was announced. 4E keeps challenge rating and discards level adjustment, while Icosahedral keeps level adjustment but discards challenge rating. 4E keeps class skills but not skills ranks; Icosahedral keeps skill ranks but not class skills. And so on. < 1332029653 211382 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to get rid of the d10 because it is not a Platonic solid, but I cannot easily do so. < 1332029822 855448 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I made it, level adjustments are actually replaced by a slightly more general concept of "pseudolevels", which work mostly in the same way; and it now applies to all creatures instead of only some.) < 1332029841 991599 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, someone tell me if it's reasonable to dismiss anyone who thinks Feyerabend was on to something as an idiot. < 1332029847 163124 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're writing something called Icosahedral? < 1332030199 11151 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadwick: I have not yet written a lot, but it is a role playing game; I have written parts of the document. I have also written the markup language for it, called Icoruma, in PHP; but I might reimplement Icoruma in C or Haskell later on. < 1332030219 25190 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, nice < 1332030263 515751 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can tell you that much of it is mathematical. A "mana" is a kind of mathematical thing, with primes and composites, multiplied together, like ordinary numbers; but there are only five prime manas. There is also multimana, which is the sum of zero or more manas. < 1332030323 363737 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then "less than or equal to" can be defined on multimanas, which is also important to the spellcasting in this game. < 1332030358 517530 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happens that a multimana forms a continuation (this was not the intention, but it happens to be the case anyways). < 1332030393 218162 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sounds kinda insane < 1332030560 528736 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like D&D 3E, the game has skills, feats, etc. One difference is that there are no separate race stat blocks and creature stat blocks; they are unified. Another difference is that spellcasting is very different. You increase in ability scores less often than 3E. There are many other differences too. < 1332030667 70357 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is no "epic" either; classes simply go up to level 100 (but you can still multiclass). < 1332030713 574430 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nearly all experience points is "ad hoc" in Icosahedral; there are not standard methods for gaining experience points. < 1332030836 834778 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of the standard rules of Icosahedral RPG are possible to use as optional rules in D&D 3E, and I will describe two of them. One is resurrection, in which you age twice as fast while dead (there are also a few other minor differences in resurrection). Another is that alignment entries in creature stat blocks mostly describe superstition rather than reality. < 1332030863 969668 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest using these two rules even in D&D because it makes the game more interesting in my opinion. < 1332031225 478234 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a D&D player so most of that went over my head < 1332031257 17422 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your Icosahedral will be a table-top game like that? < 1332031476 51863 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a table-top game. < 1332031490 872013 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using pencil, paper, book, and dice. < 1332031563 303397 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1332031593 469570 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Icoruma markup language can be used to document other role playing games too, though. < 1332031615 627316 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Icoruma" is actually short for "Icosahedral Rules Markup" since that is its original use.) < 1332031755 225495 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of "dungeon master", the term used in this game is "referee". < 1332031848 451078 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fundamental Rule of Icosahedral RPG says: "All rules have exceptions, including this one." < 1332031878 125637 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1332031879 527352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332032799 55193 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A multimana x is less than or equal to a multimana y if and only if you can match each mana in x with a mana in y such that: Each mana in x matches to a distinct mana in y (although there can be multiple equal manas in y, and you do not have to use all the manas of y), and the mana in y which each mana in x is matched up with, the one in x must be a factor of the one it is matched up with it in y. < 1332032803 943748 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this look correct to you? < 1332033573 851855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *sounds* like an okay partial order, at least at a glance. < 1332033632 535499 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that, just if x is not less than or equal to y does not necessarily make y less than or equal to x; this is intentional. < 1332033752 19666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thus 'partial'. < 1332035572 224777 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally got my interpreter for the Alchemy language working and written nicely < 1332035572 753649 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/shadwick/alchemy/wiki/Home < 1332035593 845087 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll update the esolang wiki page soon to fill in info its missing.. < 1332036266 316122 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, UPDATE < 1332036267 375448 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, < 1332037292 248734 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332037329 381832 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332038954 919256 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332043362 217282 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently I accidentally joined #trains without noticing. < 1332043375 587902 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332043375 588067 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332043375 588162 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332043375 949411 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332043381 132440 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I mind trains, but that particular virtual channel seems to keep growing... < 1332043386 308800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1332043403 935239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes people are wrong about trains < 1332043407 683302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the internet < 1332043421 422267 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta turn the wrong people into right people. < 1332043441 195262 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you understand < 1332043465 110882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By calling them communist. < 1332043475 244943 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, lexande isn't the wrong one. < 1332043581 309635 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1332043581 508434 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332043581 508601 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1332043581 508679 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1332043611 793086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1332044330 809202 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : rocket sleds go much faster, but are not generally used in revenue service < 1332045307 30333 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come SIGSTOP has the effect of killing processes that are in the middle of dying but not dying for some reason? < 1332045324 455450 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What does that mean? < 1332045343 806200 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes firefox gets into a hang, SIGTERM won't get rid of it < 1332045346 323305 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SIGSTOP will < 1332045362 58061 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but SIGSTOP isn't supposed to actually kill, only suspend < 1332045571 217750 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there Haskell library for geometry? < 1332045739 908833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, strange, I've never seen that < 1332045767 597333 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you can't catch SIGSTOP either < 1332045778 90961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a matter of a signal handler un-wedging the process < 1332045798 489349 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1332045814 593620 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the process's parent kills it? < 1332045815 285771 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's actually a nice trick since SIGKILL is nasty < 1332045851 33630 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely < 1332048083 934363 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332049486 36548 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is m4 actually a bad language or is it just associated with things people hate (autoconf, sendmail) < 1332049600 622388 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's a slightly weird language. < 1332049614 846551 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my limited experience, it's not particularly great but it's not horrible either. < 1332049628 894148 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have many competitors, especially portable/generally-available ones. < 1332049845 743890 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1332049861 490200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone seen actual Haskell code which uses m4? < 1332049879 117191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i complain about the lack of a good Haskell preprocessor people always suggest m4 < 1332049883 583573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i get the impression they're trollin' < 1332049895 565429 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what have you used m4 for? < 1332049899 76810 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a correct impression. < 1332049918 342813 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At RDB we used it for making package description files and things like that. < 1332049951 853205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with it isn't very extensive or anything, but that was the impression I got. < 1332049988 188643 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually wish there was a viable alternative to CPP for preprocessing C code. :-( < 1332050350 261295 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1332050411 848162 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There is CWEB and Enhanced CWEB which allows you to use CPP as well as other things, maybe that will ehlp? < 1332050432 604394 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, WEB is a possibility. < 1332050463 326195 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a pretty big change to how you write programs. < 1332050494 125523 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WEB is for Pascal, but it is a very good preprocessor for Pascal. CWEB is the similar thing for C codes. < 1332050548 852009 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MatressDude < 1332050557 985392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1332050573 151789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the big change? < 1332050759 445258 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you be specific please? < 1332050873 559381 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll admit that I haven't read many WEB-style programs, so I only have a vague impression of it. The programs I've seen have been split up and spread out in an order completely different from execution order. Well, not that normal C programs are written in "execution order" exactly, but this is much more extreme. < 1332050896 125153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be better -- Knuth says it is -- but reading a CWEB program is a completely different experience from reading a C program. < 1332050908 494281 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX is a program written in WEB; you can see that as one possible example. < 1332050947 442223 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is published as a book, although you can also download it.) < 1332050992 260863 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of programs written in CWEB at http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/programs.html :-) < 1332051069 78931 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEB adds macros, octal constants, hexadecimal constants, ASCII character code constants, and pool strings, to Pascal, as well as named chunks reordering. C already has some of this stuff, but CWEB adds named chunks. There are also a few other features. And my own Enhanced CWEB adds even more things, such as being able to execute C codes at compile-time to generate C codes which will be compiled. < 1332051174 261333 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ascherer/mmix/blob/master/mmixal.w < 1332051186 416946 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which exactly are features you have wanted to use? < 1332051223 947933 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cackala: What is all that mess? < 1332051364 386683 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written some programs in CWEB, such as the BytePusher implementation. < 1332051496 232939 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332051767 361705 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe literate programming would solve all my problems. < 1332051790 266518 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not all of them, but possibly many of them, depending on what your problem is! < 1332052438 354749 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332054725 528996 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no ephemeris program in Haskell? < 1332055457 888799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1332055482 132655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ime, literate programming is great for blog posts and the like < 1332055495 212540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good for "real programming" < 1332055516 583517 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's based on using plain lhs, not any of the fancy systems which let you jump between source files, etc < 1332055534 661575 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: .lhs is very different from WEB. < 1332055558 68264 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a different comment syntax for Haskell. < 1332055620 207368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the philosophy behind literate programming is more than "comments are default" < 1332055627 47748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can realize that within lhs to some degree < 1332055671 613997 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the philosophy? < 1332055696 673652 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is which? i didn't say what i thought the literate programming philosophy is < 1332055707 926654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true; .lhs does not have the features of WEB. But it is possible for a .lhs file to be the format of other files such as TeX or MediaWiki or HTML or whatever. It can be done without needing a program to convert from one format to another, even. < 1332055733 478346 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, Markdown < 1332055772 230422 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I misread what you said. < 1332055782 754508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In HTML, use and in XHTML, use CDATA. In TeX, you need some macros to make it work but there are a few such things and I have written one called "birdstyle.tex". For MediaWiki, just surround the code in <pre> or <pre><nowiki> tags.) < 1332055799 290590 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know much about Markdown < 1332055806 72056 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :markdown+lhs is a nice format < 1332055809 227717 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it a lot for my blog < 1332055818 693662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandoc can render it to html with syntax highlighting < 1332055860 565677 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However blog posts usually do not actually work like I specified so you cannot simply wget the article and run it. < 1332055872 990254 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1332055881 448822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i provide a link to the code on github or somewhere < 1332055929 597669 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do it so that you can use wget or the save webpage function? < 1332055934 380606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily < 1332055939 200475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are probably ways < 1332055948 340818 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui the literate philosophy is that your source should be a document written for humans which explains how the program works < 1332055955 435260 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I told you how; there is one way for HTML and one way for XHTML. < 1332055966 833882 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-1.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332056015 284254 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to do using XMP and CDATA? < 1332056151 515960 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made up some new commands in the .cabal file for printing literate Haskell programs, but as far as I know, there are no programs which will read those commands. But they start with "X-" so that it is not error if unrecognized. < 1332056223 514938 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I just found a "bug" shared among a large number of the C programs on Knuth's website. < 1332056232 698692 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least according to C99. < 1332056234 594510 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What one is that? < 1332056236 482108 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably C89 too. < 1332056286 303175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it looks like I can make most of those programs crash under Solaris. < 1332056295 416754 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good? http://sprunge.us/BaDc It is incomplete; you can suggest to add more things < 1332056353 681247 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you look at my own packages on Hackage, you will see that they use that.) < 1332056739 505323 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-8.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1332059473 571000 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332059481 112172 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332060548 260831 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332061916 424770 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332062108 792853 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-253-19.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332062710 183445 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332062712 507333 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1332063307 699711 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332063376 534305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332063558 421638 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332064890 438489 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332064995 177690 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332065082 570140 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332066429 604635 :shadwick!464f4a82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.74.130 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1332066454 437173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a silly channel < 1332066520 225004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're the silly. < 1332066689 709884 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Quit: No quitting allowed. < 1332066967 340516 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1332067049 607886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their fluorescent nipples were drawn with a special rendering mode usually reserved for fog-piercing runway landing lights, so they could easily be seen from long distances in bad weather." < 1332067538 935201 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332067805 88082 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-149.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332067822 66802 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332068058 405390 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332068067 696544 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332068762 140048 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1332069910 724591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-43.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332069948 116995 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-149.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332070102 479650 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332070497 189802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1332070654 943152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is ALMOST the TALLEST CHUPACABRA you will SING all MIDSUMMER: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1332070753 746358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1332070772 409105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332070869 728342 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332070996 159079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . N Basic Input/Output Commands‎; 02:21 . . (+2,938) . . 202.156.14.10 (Talk | block)‎ (Reimagined even more - wait, the old examples are now obsolete.) < 1332070996 320982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . Basic Input/Output Commander‎; 02:21 . . (-169,556) . . 202.156.14.10 (Talk | block)‎ (Renamed: Basic Input/Output Commands) [rollback] < 1332071021 90226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please go back in time and kill 202.156.14.10 so i do not have to do a history merge. < 1332071064 381917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Esoteric_Operating_System&curid=8322&diff=31213&oldid=31116 also, tell them to stop editing comments that people have already replied to. < 1332071065 343747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid my time machine still has some fundamental problems. < 1332071081 554542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they edited /other people's comments/ < 1332071086 906811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make them in line with their edits < 1332071092 620784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you asking me to do things you know i'm even _worse_ at than you? < 1332071102 116095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell whether they just don't understand wikis, or don't care... < 1332071106 410597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I don't feel the obligation to < 1332071150 911794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: this procedure may only be undone by spending quite silly amounts of time. To undo a merge, see below. Do not do this if you're not sure what you're doing." < 1332071193 403060 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, esoteric OSs < 1332071196 638882 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember one < 1332071215 252836 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "do something"-system < 1332071237 396833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :petrovich? < 1332071249 288142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do something, abbreviated DOS < 1332071311 883221 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1332071331 984074 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :liked the idea, but i was too afraid to actually test it < 1332071401 903736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it doesn't actually exist :P < 1332071408 88034 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay! < 1332071441 370308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :history merge complete! < 1332071535 12593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i give myself a brief rest before teaching 202.156.14.10 how to move pages and use talk pages :P < 1332071764 665998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: AGAINST, trying to tarnish Agora's fine history of coprophilia < 1332071817 237363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'd expect coppro to not change that... < 1332071874 949131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's proposed to change COPPRO STRAIGHT to COOK SCSTRAIGHT in the Map < 1332071883 401799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because his name is scshunt these days < 1332071888 467511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has oerjan even seen the map?) < 1332071899 398250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1332071913 893832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see first rule in http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt :P (Rule 2105) < 1332071927 636156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's been around for a while. < 1332071932 83620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, since 2005 < 1332071959 988109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasmania is new though < 1332071969 853004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, New Zealand is < 1332071974 70232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tasmania isn't < 1332072069 414221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no tasmania, and you got the spelling of the second horrendously wrong. i have this eerie feeling i've seen a similar map before somewhere, though. < 1332072124 649577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what did i spell wrong. < 1332072132 140754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :New C. Land < 1332072144 600236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I do see tasmania. < 1332072150 714234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the thing with the Hobart label. < 1332072175 79549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well how could i know that when the name's not written on it. < 1332072209 146261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hobart is a real place? < 1332072219 739828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, neither Australia nor New Zealand are labelled there either :P < 1332072237 725250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think elliott is having mighty strong winds overhead right now. < 1332072240 285425 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because it's the same size and shape as Tasmania and it's in the same place? < 1332072286 276318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think you've forgotten to make a joke. < 1332072295 452844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do that before acting clueless, you see < 1332072300 501431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1332072306 170808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1332072339 303553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought my "eerie feeling" comment would be sufficient. < 1332072366 79824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to be subtle when Phantom_Hoover is supplying the bricks. < 1332072377 23160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the joke is that it looks like australia. ok < 1332072455 341045 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is curiously larger than norway and london combined < 1332072474 780584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except its very desert < 1332072563 22591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they haven't colonized the whale-shaped island yet. < 1332072582 811371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's a whale. < 1332072606 581962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I was Mad Scientist and got the Map as my randomly-selected rule. that one was tricky. < 1332072613 162358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very big. < 1332072617 274123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wat < 1332072625 507215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps the rest is very small < 1332072626 606253 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's a whale, duh < 1332072637 653855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see http://agora.qoid.us/rule/2192#610447, http://agora.qoid.us/rule/2193#610449) < 1332072645 451629 :MatressDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332072664 63633 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332072684 708418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the results of the Map being selected can be seen at the bottom of the latter. (but it will only make sense if you read the former first.) < 1332072782 381473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two links have no line wrapping in my browser :( < 1332072806 726096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :339,000km^2 + 450,000km^2 + 386,000km^2 + 244,000km^2 < 7,610,000km^2 .. australia's land area can swallow quite a lot < 1332072812 839801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses <pre>. < 1332072816 991528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't see why it shouldn't < 1332072821 502678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wait < 1332072825 800484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ruleset is in pre-wrapped form < 1332072831 111947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see whitespace but no line breaks? < 1332072835 348089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1332072842 987104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there are even explicit <br />s in the content it inserts. < 1332072847 177368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your browser is just completely broken. < 1332072856 633625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here < 1332072858 722406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/oldflr/1.872#rule-2192 < 1332072859 353785 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. usa is bigger < 1332072862 752728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/oldflr/1.874#rule-2193 < 1332072864 743683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1332072882 226321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, those are raw RCS files.) < 1332072891 97577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt,v :P < 1332072930 593027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: view source shows lots of <br \/> < 1332072939 154928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the other links i gave should work < 1332072944 693233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok it's not a raw RCS file, it's processed by the script that adds the links and stuff.) < 1332072986 26489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it's a js string < 1332073016 933290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oerjan is determined to use the broken links i gave :P < 1332073060 469809 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332073061 189004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just looking at the source < 1332073077 469433 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332073134 436782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems much like the frankenstein monster back in my time < 1332073224 679039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lead to some fun scams due to being a person. < 1332073290 400732 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332073306 763448 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332073320 58257 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lparchive.org/Half-Life-2/ < 1332073763 995403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, the difference between http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_bitwidth_conversions&oldid=31203 and http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_bitwidth_conversions&oldid=31223 worries me. < 1332073776 575967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow <pre class="plain">blah</pre> has _less_ margin than <code>blah</code> < 1332073778 474383 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SINISTER < 1332073786 337627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly something to do with the line height < 1332073845 438366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i noted in [[Qdeql]] the lines got less tall, but then i realized it actually looked better that way. < 1332073885 820549 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES < 1332073894 345232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noticed < 1332073908 302197 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, hahahaha i thought this was half-life 2 not harry potter < 1332073970 191044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, some of the spacing depends on the height of the cell overall < 1332073973 980652 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width of the blocks differ, too < 1332073993 68119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1332074076 52740 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the second one everything on css that is applied to the code fills out the whole table cell < 1332074096 125814 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the first one it only applies on the code itself < 1332074135 382328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some of this realization was due to looking at both versions, confusing which was the old and new one, and wondering why the new one was so much uglier.) < 1332074242 875176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: erm the width looks identical to me < 1332074306 739324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width is the same here < 1332074308 81819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browser? < 1332074319 702217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, code being inline and pre being block complicates this < 1332074321 387468 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the width of the cells are < 1332074330 201403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> (some of this realization was due to looking at both versions, confusing which was the old and new one, and wondering why the new one was so much uglier.) < 1332074330 794964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1332074363 858025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had to revert a couple of <pre>'s to <code> because of that inline vs. block thing, i first got confused why it suddenly wrapped lines... < 1332074387 644901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those were the cells that mixed code and ordinary text < 1332074388 24920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the thing about this is that if you add any non-preformatted text in another cell on the same row, it'll grow to the same height as it was before turning into pre < 1332074392 435168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it uglier, to me < 1332074399 38631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., imagine if you have a table where only some rows have non-preformatted text < 1332074405 933974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have varying heights of rows < 1332074411 227252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming all the <pre>s are one line) < 1332074502 853566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, but are you sure <code> has the same height as non-preformatted text, anyhow < 1332074577 364390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's an inline element with no padding, margin or line-height, so I'm going to go with yes. but let me prepare a test < 1332074635 210840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm < 1332074637 765504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31225 < 1332074638 772087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31227 < 1332074643 891654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, apparently < 1332074664 706542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh < 1332074666 989319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31225 < 1332074667 531504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Sandbox&oldid=31228 < 1332074672 475624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre.plain _is_ definitely less tall < 1332076348 249247 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-43.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332076483 415763 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332076529 889012 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1332076534 963674 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1332076760 882614 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-199-43.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332076761 712300 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332076761 874274 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1332076811 260742 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332076930 100401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/FAQ/KeepingTrack.html < 1332077214 559288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the test phase of the WWW project, the port number to which the daemon listens was 2784. W3 has officially allocated port number 80. Servers should use port 80 and advertise their address with the explicit port number (i.e. http://host:80/etc...)." < 1332077564 415184 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I wonder if there will be a Portal 3? I just can't see where you would go from the ending of Portal 2 though... < 1332077673 785496 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1332077686 640827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Portal 3: Portal in Space"? < 1332077692 692137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1332077721 809583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you pretty much have to change the protagonist though < 1332077731 947059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be Wheatley. < 1332077734 665087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's already in space. < 1332077742 14898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the protagonist? Oh god < 1332077746 829304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, or the Space Core. < 1332077759 814803 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that ended up in Tamriel < 1332077855 783287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RFCs that include URLs as generic examples must be careful to use the particular example URLs defined in RFC 2606, "Reserved Top-Level DNS Names", to avoid accidental conflicts with real URLs. < 1332077855 945404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1332077865 689366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC 2606 does not actually define any URLs at all. < 1332077871 216778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS, RFC EDITOR! < 1332077889 865092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, spoilers. :( < 1332077906 95517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you haven't played Portal 2? < 1332077913 657450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I haven't played Portal, either. < 1332077929 548790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now you NEVER WILL ah ah AH ah. < 1332077934 678791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because: it was spoiled. < 1332077946 162393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played them because I don't have a computer that can play them. < 1332077959 707409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Mac should be able to. But that's in a box somewhere. < 1332077967 922878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have Windows installed on it. < 1332077988 996852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no, I haven't played Portal and Portal 2 yet, and would prefer to avoid spoilers for the latter. < 1332077998 187061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Avoiding spoilers for Portal is impossible.) < 1332077998 368446 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :play dwarf fortress :p < 1332077998 530530 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally have a computer that should run Portal well and perhaps even Portal 2 playably, but it seems something about the combination of Portal, Wine and fglrx doesn’t work very well. < 1332078007 242347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I do. < 1332078007 404344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1332078014 876509 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! < 1332078016 287105 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Portal 1 runs fine in wine btw < 1332078017 172810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that runs on OS X < 1332078021 973237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It probably has higher system requirements than Portal, though. < 1332078023 474409 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a copy of Portal, perhaps i’ll be able to play it some day. :-P < 1332078031 892846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it doesn't suffer for terrible GPUs. < 1332078032 97125 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332078034 176397 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not for the gpu < 1332078036 730677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1332078044 322861 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I ran that very combination just fine. Some artifacts on the main menu though < 1332078045 468574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it *could* simulate the tiles on a GPU. < 1332078048 364363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty parallel thing. < 1332078056 470303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, (Radeon HD 6850) < 1332078056 632401 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just cuts battery runtime to it's half here < 1332078095 176571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wine does run on OS X. But it requires X11. < 1332078120 448159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Windows partition is a better idea, but I'd have to shrink the OS X one, since I've got Linux on there. < 1332078131 502812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the OS X partition doesn't have much wiggle room. < 1332078163 954751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't really feel like buying the games separately, as opposed to just getting the Valve Complete Pack when I have a computer I *know* will be able to play them all. < 1332078170 378611 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332078208 441616 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1332078217 253864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332078236 828126 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is so bad about X11? < 1332078251 371181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, everything. But it's more X11-on-OS X that's the problem here. < 1332078269 772227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather irritating to use. Also I'm sceptical of its performance in a hardware-accelerated 3D game scenario. < 1332078270 772045 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1332078302 725895 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could play portal on wine with linux *g* < 1332078302 888034 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have had no problems using it under OS X 10.4 on my iBook g4 < 1332078333 429795 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332078338 19771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: And I bet you can't run Portal on it :P < 1332078372 179876 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-199-43.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332078376 778698 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it is powerpc, so wine or steam doesn't really on it < 1332078390 877056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISELY < 1332078406 261798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You know Leopard runs on PPC, right?) < 1332078442 372069 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-242.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332078458 647623 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, but Leopard doesn't offer me anything worth the price and losing Classic mode < 1332078480 350406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffffft, "price". < 1332078491 239112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those quaint Finns, paying for software and everything. < 1332078510 148294 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Also, I don't really feel like buying the games separately, as opposed to just getting the Valve Complete Pack when I have a computer I *know* will be able to play them all. <elliott> Those quaint Finns, paying for software and everything. < 1332078512 337633 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1332078527 337805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so finding a half-decent Leopard ISO was a hellish experience.) < 1332078541 80738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Steam is more convenient than piracy. < 1332078578 112457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues. < 1332078584 191315 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I strongly oppose piracy, but many people find it weird because I am member of piraattinuoret (Youth organization of pirate party of Finland) < 1332078599 212771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is annoying, because the things I hate about Steam are completely unrelated to the things that are awful about it. < 1332078617 153421 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332078636 367890 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues. < 1332078654 312584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues. < 1332078661 560329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> <Phantom_Hoover> <Vorpal> elliott, have you actually used steam? As soon as there is a sale on it becomes sluggish, and many games refuse to start due to connection issues. < 1332078668 843148 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What're the things you hate about Steam?_ < 1332078671 307268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't, but I know enough people who have. < 1332078680 484424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compare to torrents, which are ~always sluggish. :p < 1332078694 212835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 90% of it is the awful DRM. < 1332078714 808644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not informed on that front; is it some online thing or other? < 1332078726 866938 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have used it, and yes it is convenient when it works. But more than once it had said "too high load to download game right now" or similar. And even when a game is actually installed it can fail to start if the severs are overloaded. < 1332078731 71085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, you have to be online to play (unless you turn on "offline mode" beforehand (which likes to turn itself off)). < 1332078735 344513 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike a pirated copy, which just works < 1332078746 27444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The other 8% is the social nonsense, but that's more personal distaste of it than disliking that it actually exists. < 1332078750 686882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it consistently either works or doesn't) < 1332078756 118478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The other .9% is the automatic, forced updates. < 1332078763 43087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> So, no, I haven't played Portal and Portal 2 yet, and would prefer to avoid spoilers for the latter. < 1332078769 646893 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheatley turns out to be Mitch Calrus. < 1332078771 161597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I managed to get steam to stay in offline mode currently < 1332078775 431459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue how < 1332078783 211131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pirated copies do not "just work". < 1332078794 644913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Phantom_Hoover,. < 1332078798 414239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,\././ < 1332078799 86111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTHOUGH: < 1332078801 929269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either they are buggy or they work, they don't depend on the load of a remote server. < 1332078805 21284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point < 1332078810 211769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who gave in and bought Skyrim on Steam after multiple issues.) < 1332078823 806854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Steam is inconvenient when you forget where you left your debit card, hence why I am torrenting Fallout 3 right now. < 1332078829 977439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, Phantom_Hoover managed to play the game just fine, it was just (a) a pain to get the pirated copy working and (b) had multiple issues afterwards. < 1332078836 864047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have Skyrim on steam because I think it was worth the money. < 1332078842 615408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what you have on Steam. < 1332078847 700738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did play the pirated version earlier < 1332078848 667642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it was mainly because I was too lazy to get the HD textures and I wanted to show up my friend who also pirated it. < 1332078861 801898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the usual bugginess from a release version < 1332078875 2709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also because finding a reliable-looking pirated version of the patch was impossible, etc. < 1332078889 59222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, that. < 1332078898 991558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piracy is a lot more practical when there haven't been updates in the past five years, and there are no mods. < 1332078902 666180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, meh, the HD textures aren't really worth it, there are better third party HD textures, that actually improves many of the textures the HD pack didn't < 1332078908 23064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the HD pack is bugged < 1332078916 873074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was at least < 1332078925 40575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, the Nexus mods all worked fine with the pirated version. < 1332078931 74449 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1332078938 335337 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I agree that there should be a newbie subforum where people can ask questions without seven levels of hell immediately being emptied over them if they've asked something lazy or ignorant." < 1332078953 809856 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also shut up Vorpal, it works fine with the exception of one texture. < 1332078957 953397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the HD pack uses (used?) the normal map as the texture on something < 1332078967 772480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1332078969 980883 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing. < 1332078972 887044 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1332078985 953905 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing out of lots and lots of things. < 1332078993 945621 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which all look much better with the HD texture pack. < 1332079000 29493 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I believe there were some minor issues elsewhere too, like a incorrectly named texture (so the improved one didn't actually show up) < 1332079012 666861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't need to conform to the obnoxious aesthetics of most modders. < 1332079089 818471 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I prefer Nexus Mod Manager. The Steam Workshop 1) auto updates mods 2) is sluggish 3) seems to bug out randomly sometimes 3) Since I use the Script Extender I first have to launch the game from steam to the launcher to let it download updates, then I quit it and re-launch it from the script extender... < 1332079108 491650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay the last one isn't really Bethesda's or Valve's fault, but the other ones) < 1332079143 212768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use NMM too you idiot. < 1332079162 669487 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't claim you didn't < 1332079177 938714 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so why bring up Steamworks at all. < 1332079187 559599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<Phantom_Hoover> Well, I mean, the Nexus mods all worked fine with the pirated version." < 1332079213 737009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The start of your sentence only makes sense if someone had previously mentioned Steamworks mods as a reason to use it. < 1332079219 27766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually don't have any steam workshop mods currently, managed to find all on nexus now) < 1332079229 62535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, whatever < 1332081683 236667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1332081683 436419 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1332081683 894995 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   |   | < 1332081684 131083 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 >\ /|  /<      |      |\  |\ /'\     |     /<   >\ /| < 1332081684 293183 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               /\                    /'¯|_) < 1332081684 293313 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_| |_)               (_| < 1332081687 667937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1332081687 830020 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3\4o5|6 7|8o9|2 3|4o5/6 7 8\9m2/3 4\5m6/7 8 9|2o3/4 5\6o7/8 9\2o3|4 5 6\7m8/9 2\3m4/5 6 7\8o9|2 3|4o5|6 7|8o9/ < 1332081691 649587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi\: :( < 1332081699 980702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: By the way, you should add ^. to fungot. < 1332081700 396776 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm lazy about comprehending things all the functionality is all that is needed by the perl fingerprint docs... hm... < 1332081863 677254 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what I am to take away from this is that people are encouraged to pirate to avert the performance issues associated with DRM? :D < 1332081908 128394 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i am so glad it will all be over one day < 1332082080 509512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ais when you need him. < 1332082934 243295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm removing yr matrix of solidity tooltip from the logo. < 1332082978 340471 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1332082982 187830 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you do that? < 1332083003 735969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=esolangs < 1332083009 651509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observe the excerpt from the main page it uses. < 1332083013 661953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332083020 812600 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOL < 1332083023 334933 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's awesome. < 1332083026 221900 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the more reason to keep it! < 1332083034 896392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332083040 387868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR CTR ON THAT QUERY IS ONLY 34% ;___; < 1332083068 727682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I tell ya what, I'll try and figure out a way to put it lower in the markup but still appear in the same place :P < 1332083083 565182 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better. < 1332083092 138768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs google matrix < 1332083120 310398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now I know who RocketJSquirrel is < 1332083129 83561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's crazy: Google's preview screenshot of zem.fi actually shows one of the canvas-driven logos. < 1332083130 201244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332083136 175645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ifsfeedback" one. < 1332083147 127881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit like matrix of solidity fanart. < 1332083152 577110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Weeell, they pretty obviously use a Real Browser to do them, or websites would look terrible. < 1332083158 249465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Considering how much stuff depends on JS, it's not surprising they run it. < 1332083159 444396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not very fluent with pastelogs < 1332083186 601920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they run Chrome fullscreen in a VM, wait until it stops loading, wait a second or two, and then take a screenshot. < 1332083186 810875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. guess, but I wouldn't have expected that. Especially since what with all the setTimeouts and such it takes five seconds or so to get that far. < 1332083201 489409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Consider how many "apps" load the actual content with JS. < 1332083207 675055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could easily take a few seconds, factoring in network delays. < 1332083208 602318 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bing matrix < 1332083221 599655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32185 < 1332083224 144068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's not _un_surprising. < 1332083235 396899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [b]ing matrix < 1332083241 954980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28959 < 1332083248 481614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://β.zem.fi/ < 1332083251 600722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is nicely reassuring. < 1332083259 184527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't fix. < 1332083259 670609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [b]ing < 1332083263 420683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I should fix that. < 1332083265 117699 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17633 < 1332083275 299463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1332083276 704557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooo. < 1332083278 889843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooooooooooo. < 1332083282 273233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave my beta. < 1332083282 985649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1332083296 967742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I guess it could stay. < 1332083299 348160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only thing I can trust to remain constant in this world!!!! < 1332083322 314140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs itidus trapped in < 1332083323 24900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, zem.fi's most-impressions query is "logic gates". Sadly with "<10" clicks a month. < 1332083330 511789 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16594 < 1332083332 634223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours is "ook". < 1332083342 17916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a CTR of 0%. < 1332083343 134799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i give up i leave it alone < 1332083351 779703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite being the ~4.1th result on the page. < 1332083362 491944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of 170,000 impressions, there have been 150 clicks. < 1332083362 754644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"logic gates", "logic gate", "4 bit adder", "not gate" and "logički sklopovi" are in the top ten. < 1332083380 900101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CTR /is/ clicks/impressions, right?) < 1332083391 6550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would certainly think so. < 1332083398 219989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Why are the "crawl errors" in Polish? < 1332083403 76893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ni bilo mogoče najti 98 < 1332083403 238651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ni uspelo 0 < 1332083403 246138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dostop zavrnjen 0 < 1332083403 246272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Napaka v strežniku 0 < 1332083403 246380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programska napaka 404 0 < 1332083403 805401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugo 0 < 1332083461 766569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, Google has tried to request http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download. < 1332083468 454656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a spma. < 1332083489 435849 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.qdb.us/134635 < 1332083495 303080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ping. < 1332083501 332533 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-70.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332083504 687285 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong. < 1332083544 939661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be an awesome name for an esolang. < 1332083606 713828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You still have the archived forum, right? < 1332083610 473522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, I was just thinking that. < 1332083625 915330 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nora’s Hair Salon: 2.6/10. Nora’s Hair Salon II: 3.9/10. Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster: 1.1/10. < 1332083646 700230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nora's Hair Salon II was really the creative pinnacle of the series. A modern classic. < 1332083651 567439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes < 1332083663 584728 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been deleted by ais523. Does anyone know what it contained? < 1332083695 780460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes: <elliott> Oh, it was a spma. < 1332083700 285742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean a spam. < 1332083707 156508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fizzie is around, so I start misspelling things. < 1332083715 310486 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-120-173.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332083722 86505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I could show you what it was, but, uh... it's not terribly interesting. < 1332083776 996874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay. < 1332083829 783518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b>IMDB Rating: </b> 0.0 out of 10 <br> < 1332083838 694763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does including that in their spams really help their cause? < 1332083978 228413 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-67.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332083996 46694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-234-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332084021 921184 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so notch is going to do the idea of putting computers in a game.. but i can't say i didn't express the same general idea in the logs < 1332084038 841601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (I was thinking about putting up a static archive of the forum up at /forum/.) < 1332084051 397624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might not do much good, since it's been 410'd for a while now. < 1332084117 310229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bastard keeps having all my ideas, improving on them dramatically, and implementing them in a way that makes him famous and wealthy < 1332084154 102058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact this is true of all bastards < 1332084289 388847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I can't figure out a way to get it to position correctly. < 1332084296 561920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm... < 1332084314 326849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332084323 548669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK, I could do it, but I'd have to use a table :( < 1332084327 72383 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-67.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1332084656 960129 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT THOU MUST < 1332084693 225023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'll do it if you help me figure out how to get the <h1> not to display in Google's snippet :P < 1332084707 53381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that there's a previous <h1>Main Page</h1> it's ignoring >_> < 1332084719 513002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when it sees the next one it's all "lolol this is page content". < 1332084725 611652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1332085314 753019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Maybe I can keep the tooltip if I change the main page's <title> to "Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki" X-D < 1332085351 124947 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT < 1332085423 1284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has the ostensible mild downside of making bookmarks ugly unless you change the title. < 1332085431 496154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Wikipedia already do a similar thing (with "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"). < 1332085599 724562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Of course, I could also change the page title to "Enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity" and remove the tooltip. < 1332085750 219973 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better! < 1332086006 372351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your recent edit(s) to Wikipedia:Sandbox were believed to be unconstructive, and so have been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any further testing, [...]" -- message left on a Wikipedia user talk page < 1332086029 217408 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1332086480 171715 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, it is so impossible to build bionic X_X < 1332086597 897735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What are you trying to do? < 1332086607 386892 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... build ... bionic. < 1332086638 611430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That's the Y. What's X? < 1332086645 40098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ask out of curiosity. < 1332086666 811787 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wasting a day reëxploring the feasibility of NoGNU/Linux. < 1332086726 662131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That was my guess. < 1332086728 76376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Stop. < 1332086729 916672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Use musl. < 1332086747 527135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is (a) just as GNU-free; (b) not GPL (though it is LGPL) and (c) actually works. < 1332086788 137907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bionic will be 100x as painful, even if you manage to get it to build, thanks to all the things it omits because Android doesn't need them. < 1332086790 270704 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't musl the one with the author who doesn't understand licensing? < 1332086798 38124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: No, that's dietlibc. < 1332086803 415956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is the new kid on the block (few years old). < 1332086814 905885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html, http://www.etalabs.net/musl/faq.html. < 1332086818 78984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW the AUR package bionic-svn built painlessly for me just now. < 1332086840 235325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's also ABI-compatible with glibc, though that's unlikely to matter to you. < 1332086845 235673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It goes to great lengths to maintain that.) < 1332086884 507289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, how are you compiling things? I don't think clang works with a stock kernel quite yet... < 1332086920 977897 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using GCC first. I'll switch to clang when/if practical. < 1332086926 728321 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only have clang in the actual "distro" though. < 1332086932 889900 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking is a problem. < 1332086975 147205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking with what? < 1332086994 622325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, clang is practical for everything except the kernel (and maybe libc? I don't think musl does anything weird, though.), pretty much... < 1332087018 645133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Though musl's C++ support is relatively new (for use with LLVM's libc++, I think). < 1332087025 525015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By relatively, I mean the null string. < 1332087040 863089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Relevant because clang is C++ :P) < 1332087136 412725 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Linking as in binutils. < 1332087203 847770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1332087219 164202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, gcc + binutils is pretty much the only GNU you need these days. < 1332087688 919231 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ /tools/i686-linux-gnu/include/features.h:1:2: error: #warning "features.h is bogus" [-Werror=cpp] < 1332087689 225255 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1: all warnings being treated as errors < 1332087699 86480 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shakes fist* < 1332087760 574226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ? < 1332087857 201938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: HEY GO LOOK AT http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page IT LOOKS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NOW < 1332088025 845235 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT LOOKS LIKE SOME VANDAL REMOVED IMPORTANT INFO < 1332088048 82504 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332088129 433266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: THERE'S MORE THAN THAT YOU IDIOT < 1332088161 282326 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1332088169 711741 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing else matters. < 1332088387 958448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But they also removed the title, you see! < 1332088393 415956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOST HIDEOUS VANDAL < 1332088521 348582 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conftest.c:1:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault < 1332088522 690889 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy < 1332088676 452405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Are you still trying to compile bionic? < 1332088685 825697 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1332088690 445059 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got musl goin'. < 1332088693 411819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1332088696 193627 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my musl-compiled GCC is fucky. < 1332088703 161333 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the technical term) < 1332088703 323334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Which GCC version? < 1332088712 646234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ has successfully bootstrapped a musl/gcc system. < 1332088719 388889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he might be of help. < 1332088727 526278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the standard thing is to bootstrap GCC 3 first and then use that to compile 4. < 1332088732 772198 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a misconfiguration, I'm trying again. < 1332088779 241911 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl still use gcc3 ? < 1332088808 843073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Only for bootstrapping :P < 1332088873 793103 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup, my musl-built GCC is fucky. < 1332089044 759047 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FIX MY GCC KTHX < 1332089147 378358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey RocketJSquirrel, how the hell do you overlap two CSS gradients >_> < 1332089151 399079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is the CERTIFIED CSS EXPERT. < 1332089300 265636 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With magic. < 1332089302 448630 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And friendship. < 1332089351 107137 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1332089351 526288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1332089572 781877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How many people are still on Firefox 3 these days? < 1332089580 253105 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Few" < 1332089581 177676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is the CERTIFIED BROWSER EXPERT. < 1332089594 643019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But 4 only came out in 2011 :'( < 1332089721 749677 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: computers at my school. At least they got rid of Firefox 2 installs at the end of 2011 < 1332089764 472782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean I can systematically punish people at your school by merely removing these obsolete vendor prefixes?? < 1332089765 948609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1332089810 282242 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you mean by obsolete vendor prefixes? < 1332089814 55794 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332089838 754877 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who still use firefox <= 10 ? < 1332089843 498920 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1332089856 261810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: <div style="background: #EEF; vertical-align: top; border: 1em solid #EEF; border-bottom-left-radius: 1em; border-bottom-right-radius: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 1em; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 1em"> < 1332089871 542078 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, browser specific code < 1332089876 532180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox has supported the standard versions since 4.0, and changing TWICE THE VALUES is an UNACCEPTABLE BURDEN on me :P < 1332089888 489186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: I use Firefox G_64. < 1332089890 771587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Out next month.) < 1332089895 889590 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: FIX MY GCC FIX IT NOW < 1332089896 592566 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :G_64 ? < 1332089899 15651 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that ? < 1332089907 840381 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got one teacher to update her computer to Firefox 10, but she doesn't wan't to update to 11. Good thing FF 10 is ESR < 1332089914 626368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: Graham's number. < 1332089929 247374 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332089931 233523 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use TenFourFox unstable 11 < 1332089957 35696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Pfft, Classilla is where it's at. < 1332089961 772157 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use wildfox then < 1332089969 188835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as Mozilla browsers for obsolete Macintosh computers goes. < 1332089978 619888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has ACTUALLY USED Classilla. < 1332089997 94899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i used k-meleon < 1332090002 798326 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also have Classilla 9.3 and I use it at least one day a week < 1332090025 230424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yer weird. < 1332090099 653704 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used K-Meleon, Firebird, Pathworks Mosaic and Netscape 5(pre-alpha) and I still use Classilla, Camino and Mosaic-CK < 1332090174 688576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use Firefox before it became Firefox. < 1332090190 782771 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332090215 281597 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own 3 C64s and I plan to connect one of them to Internet, I have working MacMINIX install on weekly use and I have programmed my own OS in 16bit asm < 1332090238 107522 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can call me weird if you want < 1332090301 56058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in the middling ranks of weird at best; call me when you rewrite that OS with your own assembler and start using your own Conkeror fork (with an insane license) to browse. < 1332090388 628066 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I plan to build my own computer with my own processor architecture, then write my own OS to it and start using my own browser < 1332090402 973722 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate emacs key bindings < 1332090438 425371 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-8.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1332090489 935206 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also program my OS in a version of my own SSBPL programming language < 1332090597 155149 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many weirdopoints do I get if I start to use RISC OS as my main os? < 1332090685 62968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to stop offering public advertisements weirdopoints. < 1332090879 244793 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-3.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1332091797 781125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how our main page circa 2006 looks like it evolved into the current main page over the years, despite actually going through a completely different design in the middle: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=5672 < 1332091806 560203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't see that old one before making the new one.) < 1332091918 143675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Did you add the day of the day in response to http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=17414? :P < 1332091944 650111 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332091965 522593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332091969 64402 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol, no, somebody on #esoteric said we should have a page of the day. < 1332092113 68512 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-159-70.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1332092124 103685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1332092173 174669 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know where I can download BeOS 5 PE? < 1332092286 733783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you strongly opposed piracy. < 1332092337 879529 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is the freeware version¨ < 1332092341 43500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1332092343 932153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a link. < 1332092349 869196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bebits.com/app/2680 < 1332092366 711359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get a pirated BeOS' installer to run in a VM once. But never the thing itself. < 1332092421 475343 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no download for BeOS itself on that page < 1332092489 720593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what is "BeOS R5 Personal Edition for Windows"? < 1332092499 569068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "BeOS R5 Personal Edition for Linux". < 1332092531 52377 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the standalone versions < 1332092576 290738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a standalone version? < 1332092586 417702 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :New idea: NoGNU/Linux by way of OpenWatcom's shitty libc ^^ < 1332092647 741015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: btw < 1332092651 107593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: were you using the musl-gcc wrapper? < 1332092720 60220 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? Shouldn't I have been? < 1332092790 62185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yes. < 1332092798 924141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering if you were doing some wild gcc hack to get it working that was causing you troubles instead. < 1332092912 862144 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The musl page only reports GCC 3 as working ... < 1332092952 101063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The musl page is fairly old. < 1332092962 171448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But I recommend you try GCC 3 anyway. < 1332092967 83974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then bootstrap 4 with it.) < 1332092978 140820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be what most people do. < 1332092982 561532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: #musl is helpful, anyway. < 1332092984 234377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dev is there. < 1332093008 34257 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm hm hm. < 1332093185 469227 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*builds gcc3* < 1332093424 791430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You might need that fixinc.sh thing. < 1332093427 648834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if it's still required. < 1332093679 882797 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC thinks it's i686-linux-gnulibc1 < 1332093680 719376 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1332093773 493288 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332093870 338074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That shouldn't be a problem. < 1332093881 284604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I mean, ABI-compatibility means that all the internal structures have the same in-memory layout and all. < 1332093886 754591 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1332093901 439536 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332093903 49521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The observable difference is mostly in header files (musl is much stricter about not leaking additional non-standard names or names from other headers into the namespace). < 1332093975 468012 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332093986 15442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"musl is much stricter about not leaking additional non-standard names or names from other headers into the namespace" I find this extraordinarily difficult to believe. < 1332093993 206634 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332094085 796530 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc's DEFAULT is very lax, but if you use -std=c99 or -ansi or what have you, it's unbelievably strict. < 1332094150 362722 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that pikhq_ has a self-bootstrapping musl-based DISTRO in github. < 1332094153 201780 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was I not informed. < 1332094310 554672 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it uses busybox, which is not quite FSF-free. < 1332094312 387893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I implied it! < 1332094323 196653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox is waaaay not FSF free. < 1332094329 93206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC half of it is basically ripped from coreutils. < 1332094346 470367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Christian Neukirchen has such a distro too. < 1332094349 437517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be more complete. < 1332094352 921985 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332094365 93499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/chneukirchen/sabotage < 1332094374 917798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that https://github.com/chneukirchen/sabotage. < 1332094377 625467 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, but I think that there exists some not entirely terrible subset of busybox that is FSF-free X-D < 1332094379 692058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1332094382 822270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that http://chneukirchen.github.com/sabotage/. < 1332094395 513983 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I looked at sabotage too, but unless I'm completely misunderstanding, it actually uses a GCC statically compiled against glibc. < 1332094415 388999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what the scripts seemed to imply. < 1332094493 203351 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not, what do I know ^^ < 1332094505 594521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That would be weird, since he called it a bootstrapping distro, but OK. < 1332094513 897428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, "I bootstrapped a distro".) < 1332094518 353718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think "bootstrapping distro" means anything.) < 1332094529 219003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I guess it does, by analogy with "bootstrapping compiler".) < 1332094539 362504 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't rightly have any idea what I'm babbling about *shrugs* < 1332094642 879326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders wtf the "By e-mail" button on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin/signup does. < 1332094678 190322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, chooses a password randomly and emails it to you. < 1332094699 284413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh < 1332094701 94900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for admins < 1332094706 486223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To create accounts for other users without compromising them < 1332094787 703625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's for anyone, not just admins. Okay. < 1332094800 664901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not anyone, it's for admins. < 1332095209 426402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip, flop, flip, flop. < 1332095344 962362 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots elliott with a SuperBullet < 1332095354 63269 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me, want the ISO? < 1332095402 812310 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1332095403 67944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1332095412 41545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not today. I'm unlikely to play today and it'd hog my bandwidth. < 1332095417 679350 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cryptic message < 1332095441 787941 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry < 1332095527 870755 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't get any of this shit to build X_X < 1332095568 650365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I bet it's Debian's fault. < 1332095595 184961 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... probably. < 1332095653 991128 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the easiest distro to bootstrap into a chroot other than Debian ^^ < 1332095743 590846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ubuntu. < 1332095751 814788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for anything else, just use a VM. < 1332095759 191542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I was joking about it being Debian's fault. < 1332095792 550031 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but you're probably right, GCC is nutty to build on Debian even when you're NOT using some weird libc it's never heard of. < 1332096289 135535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "[...] it's easier to use the "Move" link from the drop-down menu next to "View history". " < 1332096296 977282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no such drop-down menu < 1332096421 953154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hmm. < 1332096429 223288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1332096432 847100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPs can't do that. :( < 1332096686 747402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wakes < 1332096754 403811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 Is there any reason not to enable moves for unregistered users on the wiki? < 1332096754 654419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1332096960 77878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that bootstrap-linux is the only thing that *actually* bootstraps ATM. < 1332096993 27827 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: In that sabotage does not? < 1332096997 319832 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1332096998 729214 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: In probably a couple months we should be able to switch to toybox. (Robert Landley's busybox-alike) < 1332097070 30577 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, the only necessary FSF stuff is GCC, Binutils, GNU Make, and whatever's in busybox. < 1332097091 387753 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, virtually the entire system. < 1332097132 20882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me when I say that just getting glibc out is huge. < 1332097149 484283 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting Binutils out is going to be a major PITA, as is GNU Make... < 1332097257 360419 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only care about "user" stuff, so GCC/binutils/make actually aren't that big of a concern to me. < 1332097262 116510 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more curious about coreutils. < 1332097275 940408 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332097283 83145 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busybox doesn't seem to have much FSF in it from what I've looked at. < 1332097294 516765 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely bad rather than apeshit. < 1332097311 635172 :_net_split!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332097346 710883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSF coreutils requires the ability to poke libc datastructures, which Busybox certainly doesn't.) < 1332097424 376598 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's this? < 1332097466 588272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Look at gnulib and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. < 1332097652 301675 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ejID <-- busybox corruption < 1332097674 359953 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait < 1332097676 411756 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a total lie. < 1332097750 704268 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *quite* confident the LZO code is not GNU. :) < 1332097780 242802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> RocketJSquirrel: In probably a couple months we should be able to switch to toybox. (Robert Landley's busybox-alike)p < 1332097780 896222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And util-linux is definitely copied from util-linux. < 1332097785 886931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/p$// < 1332097792 249619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: "Robert Landley's" is amusing, considering he's one of the core BusyBox developers :P < 1332097800 719694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Formerly. < 1332097807 890993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he rejoined. < 1332097809 825635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now he's just a guy who does patches every now and then. < 1332097817 519457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's definitely not core. < 1332097821 529250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1332097828 108784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main thing I remember is that he's delusional about licensing. < 1332097864 57377 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very delusional, more just bitter about how GPLv3 has put people off of GPL... < 1332097867 44179 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> And util-linux is definitely copied from util-linux. // util-linux isn't FSF, is it? < 1332097897 763221 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BjNN <-- real coreutils corruption < 1332097902 774540 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/coreutils/busybox/ < 1332097904 208119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: util-linux is Linux. :) < 1332097934 990742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq_> Not very delusional, more just bitter about how GPLv3 has put people off of GPL... < 1332097938 791070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I don't refer to anything about GPLv3. < 1332097957 527817 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Right, no shit, so it's not FSF. < 1332097966 91374 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal isn't to get rid of GPL, it's a NoGNU/Linux. < 1332097973 13189 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what do you refer to? < 1332097984 147262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I refer to his characterisation of Bruce Perens' (i.e. original author of BusyBox) outrage when they unilaterally changed the license without his permission. < 1332098003 107333 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Likewise... GNU stuff sucks from a technical PoV. < 1332098004 519213 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1332098015 879913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seriously, I have no idea that shit happened. < 1332098030 23409 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, my conclusion is that bootstrap-linux ALMOST meets my requirements as stands. < 1332098033 925959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a fair claim that there was none of his work remaining at the time they relicensed it, but (a) he only undertook the analysis of that to "make him go away"; and (b) I'm not sure you can say "I rewrote all the lines piece by piece" as an argument you don't have a derivative work. < 1332098034 356545 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox isn't actually that corrupted. < 1332098058 700432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (I believe the outrage was only when they started /litigating/ about the license, too, not just when it happened.) < 1332098060 999320 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still too corrupted, but not CRAZY corrupted) < 1332098102 691515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://www.osnews.com/story/22618/BusyBox_Author_Bruce_Perens_on_the_GPL_Lawsuit http://busybox.net/~landley/forensics.txt < 1332098108 567927 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Hi. < 1332098111 34241 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1332098221 819630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you ever finish your Magic: The Gathering software? < 1332098276 430799 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-3.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yo what's up little buddy < 1332098281 998654 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you mean TeXnicard? Not quite yet, but in future I might work on it more; and anyone else is free to submit whatever you want that I might or might not include with it. < 1332098313 76922 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What are you working on these days/ < 1332098347 704571 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Various things < 1332098347 926648 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8AE63.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332098432 213688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Amusingly, Landley is now trying to get projects *off* of GPL. < 1332098703 647913 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that even though TeXnicard is not yet complete, it still does many things far better than MSE and other programs. TeXnicard will do plurals of words better than MSE, and will convert numbers to words all the way up to "nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine", and sorts titles in a natural way including roman numerals, has more options for statistics, etc < 1332098716 710470 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332098736 268176 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the current version can probably be used if you do not want to print out the actual cards; since that is the only thing missing (although it is partially implemented). < 1332098748 602536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine plus one? < 1332098759 59891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not even *hard* to do better than MSE. < 1332098762 234685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE *sucks*. < 1332098812 637033 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E841.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332098890 705265 :cheater!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-3.vodafone-net.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332098904 438407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i apply a thesaurus word-swapper to a piece of text does that count as rewritten? :D < 1332098922 688713 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to troll my school tomorow by installing bblean on school computers and setting it as default shell < 1332098947 813158 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being or not being. this is the question < 1332099041 757084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow my educational center shall be trolled when i install bblean as default shell on computers there. < 1332099073 144082 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1332099099 969491 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my idea < 1332099127 476632 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll credit you < 1332099135 58374 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: my idea < 1332099151 630612 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that i reworded your idea < 1332099233 792234 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it is not built-in to the "plain.cards", although everything in that file can be overridden. However, numbers are usually limited to 32 bits. < 1332099302 959902 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did. You reworded it, but it is still my idea I got when my parents watched in horror me using bblean in my own account on our shared computer < 1332099405 841582 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other features I intend which are not yet implemented, include: indexed and searchable card database of many sets together, sales tracking, and a way to parse sentences in card texts into computer codes so that the game can be played by computer including enforcing and automating the rules. < 1332099426 832989 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll find out in court pinko < 1332099512 160481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have a theory though.. tribal source code sharing < 1332099526 876471 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I agree; it does have many problems. Although, even WotC uses MSE for doing fake cards and playtest cards and so on. < 1332099533 971997 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forming tribes on the internet who freely share code among themselves but exclude everyone else < 1332099544 30652 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1332099550 580998 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Doesn't make it suck less. :) < 1332099555 912307 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they trust each other < 1332099561 571788 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes I agree. < 1332099592 149148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust.. a strange legal jurisdiction where people are not compelled to sue each other :D < 1332099631 928596 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also my intention, that if you use a Magic: the Gathering template with TeXnicard, that if you have the correct printing equipment, you can produce better quality cards than the official Magic: the Gathering cards. But it is also my intention that there is nothing specific to Magic: the Gathering built in to the program (unlike MSE, which does have some). < 1332099848 444499 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what if someone leaks the code outside the tribe? < 1332099861 270145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1332099872 62573 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its never gonna be perfect < 1332099885 625295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if tribe is the most apt term or not.. < 1332099911 66645 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE? < 1332099918 343443 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have any other ideas about TeXnicard, you can write on: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/texnicard < 1332099918 701023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well yeah trust can fail.. < 1332099925 589140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the trouble with it < 1332099930 577091 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you know Magic Set Editor? < 1332099942 236970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the larger a group is the more likely that trust will break down < 1332099947 534861 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but now I do. Or at least have heard of it now < 1332100176 724128 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will need an account to write on the Redmine page for TeXnicard.) < 1332100203 651887 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also use the IRC for the project; it is always logged to public file.) < 1332100219 384723 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i do think it will happen though in the long run.. the tower of babel of the internet is due to collapse < 1332100238 513229 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for much of the same reasons amusingly < 1332100253 491832 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect < 1332100274 91719 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :people starting to speak different languages? < 1332100314 567386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its getting absurd.. guys making something like facebook and becoming multibillionares almost overnight < 1332100331 391664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn and advertising seeping from every crevice < 1332100364 802801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity thieves of all sorts < 1332100389 110462 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackers of all sorts.. and corporations with lawyers < 1332100394 238304 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem with MSE is WYSIWYG; TeXnicard is designed from the start to be not WYSIWYG. < 1332100438 382433 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikileaks, anonymous, SOPA, PIPA < 1332100514 784624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what'll happen is they'll zone off the internet into commercial and residential districts < 1332100542 403418 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different laws for each < 1332100545 218868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1332100550 501598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fun < 1332100585 573399 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there is one funny picture about assange an zuckenberg. assange: "I give private information of companies to people for free and I am criminal" zuckenberg: "I give private infirmation of people to companies for money and I am the man of the year" < 1332100607 627356 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asange < 1332100636 627219 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assange < 1332100660 911729 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you dont know me that well im esolang/math-illiterate here and i think mostly tolerated for comic relief < 1332100681 214511 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes i wear patience thin < 1332100738 193383 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically im part-troll and found my way here very differently from most here < 1332100797 621639 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just get worried when people entertain my rants < 1332100822 614762 :myname!~myname@188.40.240.103 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332100885 733170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only intend TeXnicard to support PNG for picture load/save format; using the LodePNG library which happens to be written by a same guy who invented some esolangs too. < 1332101000 866836 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332101022 285586 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1332101043 568953 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 QUIT :Client Quit < 1332101202 913478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1332101267 210970 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi maharba bye maharba < 1332101284 649741 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?itidus21 < 1332101287 300683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ?itidus21: not found < 1332101313 235669 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21 < 1332101316 476545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee. < 1332101325 76467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol thats true! < 1332101347 328170 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is anything adding some function to Haskell "gloss" library that can have I/O action inside of something such as: playIO :: forall x y. Display -> Color -> Int -> x -> (x -> Picture) -> (Event -> x -> IO (Either y x)) -> (Float -> x -> IO (Either y x)) -> IO y; < 1332101358 843357 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have another id itidus20 < 1332101359 372210 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A variant of the existing "play" function) < 1332101373 768570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20 < 1332101376 920862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 is horny 60 year olds having cybersex in minecraft < 1332101387 206603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't itidus21 add that? < 1332101395 170325 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1332101401 533359 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1332101408 420674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "itidus20's entry has been censored." >wisdom/itidus20 < 1332101410 545760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332101423 35802 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nortti < 1332101426 917745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1332101453 594146 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname < 1332101456 603156 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux < 1332101491 359992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 rm -rf / < 1332101495 86337 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1332101498 65445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1332101526 343791 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /etc/passwd < 1332101529 351336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /etc/passwd: No such file or directory < 1332101541 725848 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1332101566 925978 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd; ls < 1332101570 199924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv \ bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1332101575 396911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You realise /etc/passwd doesn't contain passwords these days, right? < 1332101611 229174 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes I do. I just wanted to get other info < 1332101623 363474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run id -a < 1332101626 375840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=456962 < 1332101629 274867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH < 1332101643 29277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, -a doesn't actually do anything. < 1332101652 731196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1332101653 91247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1332101653 459865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1332101654 423726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1332101655 227357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id < 1332101662 278121 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps -ef < 1332101669 875460 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=983334 < 1332101676 926134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD \ 0 1 0 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 /init \ 0 2 0 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 [kthreadd] \ 0 3 2 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 [ksoftirqd/0] \ 0 4 2 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/0:0] \ 0 5 2 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 [kworker/u:0] \ 0 6 2 0 20:14 ? 00:00:00 [rcu_kthread] < 1332101680 575271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=843613 < 1332101680 973702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=979185 < 1332101682 44262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=380064 < 1332101682 205915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=380064 < 1332101722 570563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/cpuinfo #just curious < 1332101725 223100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :processor.: 0 \ vendor_id : User Mode Linux \ model name.: UML \ mode..: skas \ host..: Linux codu.org 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 00:01:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 \ bogomips.: 555.41 \ < 1332101737 125847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too many bogomips. < 1332101756 786430 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lshw < 1332101759 834012 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lshw: command not found < 1332101773 894050 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run lspci < 1332101776 983753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: lspci: command not found < 1332101777 757365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not so much "hw" to "ls" under UML, anyway. < 1332101801 662399 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML? < 1332101806 592991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Mode Linux. < 1332101819 481201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps -ef | paste # this is how you view larger outputs < 1332101823 280225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25163 < 1332101833 645750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /sys/class/ < 1332101836 476318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdi \ block \ firmware \ mem \ misc \ net \ tty < 1332101842 20770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so *sparse*. < 1332101867 98831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like 47 classes on /sys/class here. < 1332101877 450350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /sys/class | wc -l < 1332101877 612440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 < 1332101909 767283 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ifconfig | paste < 1332101912 801925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ifconfig: command not found \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26276 < 1332102173 784860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf / < 1332102176 457026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe < 1332102181 161800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf --no-preserve-root / < 1332102184 736046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/sys/fs': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/uevent': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/uevent': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/modalias': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/subsystem': Permission denied \ rm: cannot remove `/sys/devices/platform/alarmtimer/driver': < 1332102187 689066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf . < 1332102190 650240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove directory: `.' < 1332102192 860333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf * < 1332102195 761570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332102201 25801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1332102203 639707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1332102219 484409 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste < 1332102221 850399 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste: No such file or directory < 1332102236 157646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot 'run'. < 1332102246 737907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real shell without. < 1332102285 635277 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin | paste < 1332102289 378799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7785 < 1332102327 951835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "rm -rf *" demonstration is just begging for someone to "ls | grep -v canary | xargs rm -rf" or something. < 1332102388 492986 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod 000 *; chown root < 1332102391 710166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chown: missing operand after `root' \ Try `chown --help' for more information. < 1332102392 369124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1332102408 57084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Except the people who do that don't know what significance that file has until you tell them. < 1332102424 63636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, people don't deduce it from the name. I've asked.) < 1332102429 615082 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l < 1332102432 757221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 128 \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Mar 18 20:27 bin \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Mar 18 20:27 canary \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 24 Mar 18 20:27 karma \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Mar 18 20:27 lib \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 8192 Mar 18 20:27 paste \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 95628 Mar 18 20:27 quotes \ drwxr-xr-x 3 5000 0 4096 Mar 18 20:27 share \ drwxr-xr-x 2 5000 0 4096 Mar 18 20:27 wisdom < 1332102451 203269 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat canary | paste < 1332102462 721023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the `. < 1332102469 781479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's *right there*, and it's called that. Oh well. < 1332102472 260621 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Also the "rm -rf *" demonstration is just begging for someone to "ls | grep -v canary | xargs rm -rf" or something. // the canary isn't there to prevent interesting "exploits", it's there to prevent stupid ones. < 1332102476 370183 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat canary | paste < 1332102479 317203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4760 < 1332102497 180713 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the first thing anybody does with HackEgo is `run rm -rf * < 1332102543 49507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also cat ate the canary, I see what happened there. < 1332102574 714769 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG CAT ATE THE CANARY LOLLERS < 1332102619 592800 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | grep -v canary | xargs chmod 000 < 1332102637 514574 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls | grep -v canary | xargs chmod 000 < 1332102640 782518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332102641 460311 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1332102781 173429 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1332102815 69162 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is canary a file that cannot be deleted? < 1332102919 508967 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l canary ; rm canary ; ls -l canary # It can be deleted! < 1332102922 820185 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Mar 18 20:35 canary \ ls: cannot access canary: No such file or directory < 1332102933 674243 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the canary? < 1332102970 402061 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :{ :|: }; : < 1332102973 205760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: :{: command not found < 1332102997 278164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The saddest face. < 1332103019 775083 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|: }; : < 1332103022 759187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1332103106 638724 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ticket #25 of gloss has functions with I/O, but they don't allow having a final result, and I do not think it to be sensible for the (world -> Picture) to also have I/O actions. < 1332103186 455188 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:& };: < 1332103189 4673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1332103211 225997 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo! my fork bomb! < 1332103359 189189 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tty < 1332103360 647542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently obsessed with: BZFlag. < 1332103362 120805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/tty1 < 1332103397 870911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??cool what is bzflag < 1332103429 292619 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tank game with flags < 1332103440 165183 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often Capture the Flag, but not always < 1332103444 799748 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And superflags give you powers. < 1332103451 531358 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bzflag.org/ < 1332103466 79512 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/tty1 bs=1024 count=1024 < 1332103469 27449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd: opening `/dev/tty1': Permission denied < 1332103567 451021 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom < 1332103570 183945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​..*SZ.$HU.RX.l./.fs|xFe侈*K'Rհ.ĜA, \ ߡ7wXu.W..A.M:.A@ZΫȫD..?..lWYY. < 1332103657 762975 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: To what degree does toybox currently exist? < 1332103667 373387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% < 1332103671 623568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bootstrapping distro that uses it < 1332103682 516113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's just not enough to bootstrap yet. < 1332103684 93723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1332103699 371233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty close, though. < 1332103707 474129 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.landley.net/hg/toybox Here's the repo. < 1332103752 202163 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a disagreement between those two answers :0 < 1332103763 49713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332103774 656360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Didn't Aboriginal Linux used to use toybox? < 1332103780 110515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1332103814 960212 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I agree ticket #28 as well. < 1332103848 799234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so. < 1332103858 509992 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though soon it will. < 1332103882 702785 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, toybox only recently came off hold and is now being fleshed out into something useful. < 1332103964 815042 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the difference between busybox and toybox? < 1332103985 674240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Toybox sucks less. < 1332103994 799649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is not done. < 1332103998 493138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eventually, we'll start using toybox again" < 1332104008 253256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"again" < 1332104010 202842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. < 1332104021 489914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not seen it with enough tools to actually be used as coreutils. < 1332104048 518715 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what sucks about busybox < 1332104054 173553 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment, it's missing some fairly essential tools like grep. < 1332104057 870095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Look at the code. < 1332104064 389640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty painful. < 1332104215 321345 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea behind toybox to create nonGNU/Linux? < 1332104339 322796 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti < 1332104452 530550 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332104515 722249 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buildin' me some sabotage. < 1332104576 76939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're a saboteur. < 1332104666 489874 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1332104845 38904 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332104972 606211 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1332105054 140199 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would appear so. < 1332105151 864051 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :suckless.org appears to currently suck more. < 1332105346 141868 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E841.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1332105452 298236 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEA786.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332105464 461120 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332105870 504387 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to suckless, XChat sucks < 1332105874 299321 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads < 1332105889 619604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Howso < 1332105892 669491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332105902 474518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1332105925 927597 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was down until the INSTANT YOU CHECKED. < 1332105943 836481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You and I seem to have that affect. < 1332105945 867710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect < 1332105970 271859 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1332106014 551199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Now I'm wondering what you were on suckless.org for. < 1332106016 149277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stali? < 1332106038 696829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You know, 9base might just be compatible enough to use as a coreutils: http://tools.suckless.org/9base < 1332106044 432615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure I'd bet on it, though. < 1332106070 209131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I suggest using makepp as your make: http://makepp.sourceforge.net/ < 1332106077 665436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it claims near GNU Make-compatibility. And isn't GNU. < 1332106082 444081 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sabotage includes 9base. < 1332106095 272679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, but does it use them as the main toolset? < 1332106103 297785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that the answer to "what you were on suckless.org for"? < 1332106119 548867 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter. < 1332106131 684743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332106131 935315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1332106135 905995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1332106136 188840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 2h 36m 20s ago: Is there any reason not to enable moves for unregistered users on the wiki? < 1332106174 837790 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it depends on if you expect we'll get vandals; moves can't be fully reversed by a non-admin, so the reason they're usually disallowed is to prevent vandalism that's disproportionately hard to revert < 1332106179 693984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (context: the Basic Input/Output Commander did a copy-paste-move to a new name, and I had to learn how to do a history merge) < 1332106180 717360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't expect anyone to try that, no reason not to < 1332106184 236620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(these two facts are related) < 1332106199 924275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even quite a copy-paste move; it was a copy-modify heavily-paste move < 1332106233 262684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1332106237 943643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the method used to be to delete the new name, rename the old name to the new name, undelete the new name, revert to the revision that's meant to be top < 1332106242 11858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about high-maintanence... < 1332106245 343432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hahaha < 1332106247 474371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that still is the method < 1332106254 996464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Wikipedia's manual is up-to-date < 1332106256 129045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1332106262 452737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <elliott> then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1332106265 817647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :824) <elliott> then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1332106269 185371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you've been able to combine the rename and delete for ages < 1332106288 211743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and around when I left Wikipedia there were rumours that the devs were writing a less awkward way to histmerge and histsplit < 1332106291 722642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like that fell through < 1332106293 178769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1332106294 587596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1332106294 749407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (their edits were limited to changing the language to the new name, but since they admitted the language changed quite a bit since renaming, it's ridiculous) < 1332106296 171329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1332106296 486975 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :615) <shachaf> elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. <shachaf> The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. < 1332106297 580370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1332106299 165246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1332106306 265571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) <Gregor> I'm blond with blue (sort of) eyes, so I could totally stealth my way through the holocaust ... or some such logic :P < 1332106309 192909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :579) <Patashu> But I mean, why fix it if it ain't broke? Except now it is < 1332106311 647054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :120) <fungot> pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] < 1332106314 906285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: <oerjan> sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers < 1332106328 526559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't get 27 < 1332106335 485813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only got 4 < 1332106338 750866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fungot quote is yet again good < 1332106338 926397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite requesting 5 < 1332106339 88740 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: syntax-rules is fairly easy < 1332106341 182675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just slow < 1332106341 587581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got 5 < 1332106346 14802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you did < 1332106347 436602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's part of a series < 1332106348 280147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got 5615, 276, 579, 120, 27 < 1332106354 969048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1332106358 694088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18428 < 1332106360 464383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed, but it isn't a /good/ series < 1332106374 655626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see 14, 15, 20-27 < 1332106377 233837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 is the norwegian version, btw < 1332106382 896033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far too classic to get deleted < 1332106400 319537 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tswett monqy Phantom_Hoover UPDATE < 1332106411 408170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love tswett monqy Phantom_Hoover updates. < 1332106431 432727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 seems out of place because RocketJSquirrel /isn't/ blond, IIRC < 1332106435 303499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's a weird definition of blond < 1332106444 292293 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :............................... < 1332106447 571565 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am blond. < 1332106453 716555 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not particularly light blond. < 1332106467 59375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 seems out of place because RocketJSquirrel /isn't/ Gregor, IIRC < 1332106478 218048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meme here is to make a false statement and append "IIRC". < 1332106500 499423 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That meme seems out of place because those statements /aren't/ false, IIRC < 1332106552 255723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: seems to also require an italicised word < 1332106585 931467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* Windows. < 1332106587 885893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X seems out of place because THING /somethingn't/ THING, IIRC" < 1332106600 422853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That snowclone seems out of place because snowclones /don't/ contain placeholders, IIRC < 1332106607 981224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: there is no implementation of C99 on Windows. < 1332106608 161171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a new thing < 1332106629 649383 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best you can do is C99-modulo-libc. < 1332106675 712543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> elliott: it depends on if you expect we'll get vandals; moves can't be fully reversed by a non-admin, so the reason they're usually disallowed is to prevent vandalism that's disproportionately hard to revert < 1332106686 202599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose there's unlikely to be page-move spambots :) < 1332106699 719018 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GCC 3.4.6 WITH MUSL JUST SEGFAULTED < 1332106702 668838 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE EVERYTHING < 1332106704 288713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a reason not to enable it: it'll produce a drop-down with only one option < 1332106705 367024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: #musl < 1332106707 511829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, unless they're Esolang-specific < 1332106714 536080 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But now I'm using sabotage >_> < 1332106735 61420 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it may be that sabotage sabotage sabotage. < 1332106769 322701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I believe the prime saboteur is in #musl < 1332106777 302915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris2 < 1332106986 958223 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332107099 727447 :_net_split!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :PiRSquared < 1332107451 344177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bleh at this binary diff thing < 1332107468 149608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm as written is still far too slow, also GNU diff doesn't use it despite claiming to < 1332107530 299421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you try bps? < 1332107552 470450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to write this from scratch, pretty much, NHPL isn't compatible with anything < 1332107562 721813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/possibly/ two-clause BSD, but I'm not even sure on that one < 1332107616 901469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, and? < 1332107621 429359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I proposed you implement bps. < 1332107635 757679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably be a lot simpler than anything else. < 1332107688 342909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually been considering doing something that fits with the format < 1332107716 570759 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by checking what the fixed-length bits and variable-length bits are, and just XORing and RLEing the fixed-length bits < 1332107723 496725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing something clever with the variable-length bits < 1332107768 404240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bps is a /really/ trivial file format, btw) < 1332107792 222790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a 4-instruction tarpit < 1332107886 314804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, my patch format is that too < 1332107892 696819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is generating the patch effiicently in the first plcae < 1332107894 277672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*place < 1332107926 921428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my format uses two bits for command, six for run length < 1332107960 728096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commands are copy, insert, delete, and bignum (for run lengths larger than 63; its runlength is multiplied by 64 and added to the runlength of the next command) < 1332107968 254624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and insert is followed by the individual bytes to insert < 1332107993 59354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can generate that format reasonably simply, but not efficiently; O(sn) is too slow in practice < 1332108234 524967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, that's more complicated than bps :) < 1332108258 627158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: format simplicity is completely missing the point, anyway < 1332108265 754414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's efficiency in finding the diff < 1332108306 358314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU diff seems to do something crazy involving multiple bisections, and finding lines unique to one side or other on the basis that they can't match anything < 1332108368 942809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's way faster than my program, even if I convert all the bytes to hex and put a different one on each line, so it's a fair comparison < 1332108382 922062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's quite advantageous for people implementing a patch applier. < 1332108402 227907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well, right, and I'd need that too < 1332108414 914955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the patch applier is going to be O(n) with any sane patch format, unless it's heavily compressed < 1332108424 361496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the patch determiner I'm worried about the efficiency of < 1332108472 880882 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332108636 592274 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-212-155.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332109607 478111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, I edited two MediaWiki-namespace pages today < 1332109610 471847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still scared when I do it :( < 1332111279 189129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so html was pretty clever < 1332111308 222586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Although it shares a daily article with other Scandinavian ones" < 1332111310 995019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's hilarious < 1332111327 348340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think? :P < 1332111386 414521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't like that "no bureaucracy, of course!" is being paired with suggestions of bureaucracy :( < 1332111414 694570 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think html can be summarized as: <a1 b1="c1" b2="c2" bN="cN"> </a1> < 1332111416 556097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean i should scratch my current rules list suggestion? :( < 1332111430 853842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, ask me here first :P < 1332111432 465205 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's FSF-copyrighted code in the kernel. < 1332111437 599952 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To this I say, "hyuk" < 1332111442 986221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Articles should be well written and formatted. < 1332111443 145254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages should have an implementation, unless the difficulty of making one is part of its point. < 1332111446 196647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Similarly there should be example programs. < 1332111448 714580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages different from those already chosen should have preference. < 1332111451 222159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Languages not from the themes most frequently chosen should have preference. < 1332111452 459317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i have so far. < 1332111472 611541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're good guidelines. but i was going to implement that by using my freedom to choose from the available options < 1332111483 313631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1332111488 713591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :along those lines, i was thinking that we should remove the whole consensus-on-individual-options thing. not a joke :P < 1332111502 767332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what do you mean < 1332111517 860083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea is that anyone could propose a language, but I'd just pick one from that list - this is basically how the english wikipedia's process works < 1332111524 581048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be benevolent dictator, check < 1332111530 441452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1332111539 838144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1332111543 128658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wouldn't propose suggestions < 1332111544 911623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another i thought of < 1332111548 906553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really think we'd get more than 3 suggestions per week, ever? < 1332111568 542071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the not-votes would be along the lines of "yes this is great" for good languages and "no this isn't great" for bad languages < 1332111570 318100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well right < 1332111581 360897 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go to [[Special:Random]] and then see if you like that one, and in case you don't like that one then try again < 1332111586 587873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect most of the time everyone would be "yes, these are all good" and perhaps one of them would be obviously slightly above the cut < 1332111596 936928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go on < 1332111602 812886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there might be some who insist on renominating again and again < 1332111609 145353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should aim to compete with gregor's rate of hat suggestions per week < 1332111613 407118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er oh right that other one < 1332111617 570716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: guess what the norwegian wikipedia's main page is? < 1332111633 48443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a matrix of solidity? < 1332111639 801222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it suddenly seemed like a bad idea if there really will be only 3 suggestions a week :P < 1332111643 581347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, Portal:[en:main -> no] < 1332111645 418581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well go on anyway < 1332111660 711335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, great :) < 1332111669 580676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*Articles may not be renominated for a set period < 1332111674 313592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and yes, my main reason for wanting things to be coordinated by a set group on IRC was to prevent the more enthusiastic and less talented designers getting repeatedly sorely let down. < 1332111689 589518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then another < 1332111719 733323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*No one may nominate more than one of their own languages per turn < 1332111724 932722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, Portal:[en:Home -> no] actually < 1332111731 797761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but close enough < 1332111743 640240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i see a nice idea happening here < 1332111755 546248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my _first_ idea before seeing your response we "No one may nominate their own language, period" < 1332111758 597196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1332111759 154490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to be honest, i would rather make it no more than one language per turn, and not your own unless there's few suggestions < 1332111769 509420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1332111776 501338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is beginning to sound like a nomic < 1332111777 247504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1332111783 207635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, just banning self-noms categorically is probably the best idea. < 1332111795 200522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i suddenly had a vision of timwi participating in this process.) < 1332111808 433336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your language is _really_ good, ask someone on IRC to nominate it for you < 1332111810 395207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea is that there might be a kind of theme per turn < 1332111817 913180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't convince a single person to, then your language sucks < 1332111842 12553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps a cycle between old and new languages. < 1332111900 991921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here's my current thoughts as to how it should possibly go: there's a page where everyone can add one (and only one) language (not their own). every $TIMESPAN, i pick a language from that list and remove it. every $LONGER_TIMESPAN, I blank the list and people can propose again < 1332111913 704507 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think self nomination should be permitted but only one each, and only complete articles, and only the main namespace. And you are also allowed to vote for yourself too, but again, only one each. Other artcles can be nominated and voted more than one each, but there should still be a limit. < 1332111920 458904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can't nominate the same language twice in a row. < 1332111930 468651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i first thought of this without the periodic blanking, but the problem is that the crappy languages would just pile up forever.) < 1332111944 837876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and removing them would be rude. so just blank the whole thing every now and then.) < 1332111961 749781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that sound? < 1332111975 669535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that people don't have to add new ones all the time for it to work, since the list lasts longer. < 1332111980 574274 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps instead of removing some names, you comment (or strike) them, to remember that it has been used. < 1332111992 810750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a list of accepted non-crappy pages, feature a random one from that list each day/week, then only use a "complicated process" for changing the list < 1332112014 620444 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think each day is too often but each week is good. < 1332112034 132826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah but you just know everyone would immediately propose their new esolang to be featured. < 1332112041 467441 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/eaKd <-- here's the current FSF taint state of sabotage. < 1332112051 753893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not like Wikipedia in that we can have a huge bureaucracy that upsets people, because we're tiny < 1332112072 648674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could write a language that simulates one! < 1332112074 96161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You can trash those architectures. < 1332112080 493795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And almost certainly the cryptos tuff. < 1332112082 188408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crypto stuff < 1332112087 269181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: And the math emulation. < 1332112090 717342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And UDF. < 1332112091 611108 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, the only one that's vaguely concerning is the timeconv.c. < 1332112095 648408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno about timeconv.c. < 1332112099 53745 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, do not allow anyone to propse anything which is too recent. < 1332112107 351725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: sprunge me timeconv.c and I'll tell you how hard it would be to reimplement :P < 1332112125 391532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: (So that you don't look at it and get THE TAINT) < 1332112139 498926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :# wc -l kernel/time/timeconv.c < 1332112139 787123 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 kernel/time/timeconv.c < 1332112149 843215 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not so difficult. < 1332112156 169797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 lines of C? It probably implements division or something. < 1332112156 389907 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you trying to rewrite the kernel? < 1332112157 28120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh this guy on wikipedia presumably only selects from articles that have _already_ got the featured stamp? < 1332112179 120143 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/jYPe < 1332112185 775714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i was going to say that but didn't < 1332112204 964183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: people suggest articles from the featured pile, there's a rough scoring process, and he picks arbitrarily from those < 1332112225 821195 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm a bit surprised sabotage hasn't removed GNU sed... < 1332112226 794613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people might be annoyed if their opinion doesn't count for anything, even if you make the final choice < 1332112235 502966 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fairly simple patch to make Linux build without it. < 1332112242 895430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (the scoring process e.g. favours people on their birthdays or events on their anniversaries and so on, and punishes having too many articles of the same kind (primarily for entertainment/technology related things) on in a short timespan.) < 1332112254 374837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Trivial. < 1332112259 332415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1332112264 853414 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's only included in "stage1", and to my knowledge sabotage isn't actually trying to be NoGNU/Linux. < 1332112280 837186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Has leap year/number of days in month data, and a time_t -> local year/month/day function. < 1332112285 409727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That data is static.) < 1332112294 538617 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's only necessary because of a small bit of brain damage. < 1332112342 845986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Anyhow, you forgot glibc in that list. < 1332112348 237656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If sabotage does use glibc-gcc. < 1332112355 758002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they use a GNU-specific regexp which can be changed to POSIX-compliant trivially) < 1332112367 260240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: here's my current thoughts as to how it should possibly go: there's a page where everyone can add one (and only one) language (not their own). every $TIMESPAN, i pick a language from that list and remove it. every $LONGER_TIMESPAN, I blank the list and people can propose again < 1332112372 40873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think of this process? < 1332112381 492515 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It only uses it for stage1, and the first thing it does with that in stage2 is replace it. < 1332112396 680149 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suggest that only main namespace articles are allowed to be nominated (if someone finds an article they want to nominate which is not in the main namespace, they could move it or copy it or write a new article about it or post a discussion requesting the move) < 1332112398 542748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems to be minimal-effort for everyone involved, while being driven by the editors. < 1332112412 628267 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Anyhow, you forgot glibc in that list. <elliott> If sabotage does use glibc-gcc. // it doesn't, I misunderstood. < 1332112416 685700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The idea is that it's for languages. < 1332112418 877492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK. < 1332112433 329237 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, or does it use the musl-gcc wrapper to build that? < 1332112439 784103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I'm shocked LLVM haven't written a binutils yet. < 1332112458 353602 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apple doesn't need one. < 1332112469 784480 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hence, LLVM will never get one. < 1332112497 302775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Last I checked, Apple still needs to link. < 1332112498 476141 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But someone outside of Apple could write LLVM binutils if they want to, I suppose. < 1332112505 532718 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But they don't use binutils. < 1332112508 402722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apple have their own object format. < 1332112508 931028 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1332112519 20908 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What do they use?!? < 1332112524 591802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mach-O. < 1332112527 846919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: binutils is object-format agnostic. < 1332112529 882240 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Their own, presumably derived from some pile of shit BSD one. < 1332112530 565601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well we can try that and see if it works < 1332112531 439994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they invented it, it's their own tools. < 1332112540 370934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Do Apple need libc++? < 1332112541 253785 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they invented Mach-O. < 1332112550 616945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Mach invented Mach-O. < 1332112553 189744 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a major part of *why* binutils is so complicated) < 1332112569 210777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Developed by Carnegie Mellon University/Apple Inc." < 1332112569 725435 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> RocketJSquirrel: Do Apple need libc++? // Idonno < 1332112571 561372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1332112593 2619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: binutils includes non-object-format-agnostic tools :P < 1332112593 164819 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, Apple's basically all that's kept Mach afloat since the beginning *shrugs* < 1332112602 915675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least tool, singular. < 1332112609 384367 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such successful projects as MkLinux. < 1332112610 245099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uhhhh, hello? HURD?! < 1332112613 143239 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1332112623 200958 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them go through libbfd. < 1332112627 724927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Also, technically NeXT, then Apple :P < 1332112630 226281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Apple and Apple. < 1332112637 482871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which handles most object formats. < 1332112641 270502 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Mach-O. < 1332112644 127395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apple when Jobs was absent is instead called unprofitable.) < 1332112719 705426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: although if people cannot nominate themselves, i hope sockpuppets won't become a problem. < 1332112728 980791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have CheckUser. < 1332112734 52789 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Which handles most object formats. <pikhq> Including Mach-O. // uhh, no? I'm pretty sure libbfd doesn't have Mach-O support. < 1332112739 425120 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the patch for it died on the vine. < 1332112740 797602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I doubt anyone is truly that sad, though. < 1332112742 602230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/bfd/mach-o.c?rev=1.102&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src There's the source for it. < 1332112742 760566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1332112749 987874 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhaha < 1332112758 696613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If they are, their language is probably crap, and so I'll ignore it just like any other crappy suggestions. < 1332112787 712141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, does "FSF-copyrighted" really count as GNU? < 1332112812 860750 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, the OS X man page suggests that they're using personally-maintained BSD ld. < 1332112824 606156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cherish the day when anyone cares enough about esolangs.org to use a sock puppet to inflience getting a language on main page < 1332112843 25272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- naive. < 1332112871 910985 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know what other metric to use *shrugs* < 1332112904 366339 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are probably the only people still using even a fork of BSD ld. Even the BSDs are on GNU binutils... < 1332112909 810216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uhh... how about "package is a GNU project"? < 1332112973 160770 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My metrics involve things I can write into scripts ;) < 1332112984 866577 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as grep '[0-9]{4} +Free Software Foundation' < 1332113008 230933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Sure, you just have to remove the things that aren't obviously GNU projects from the resulting list. < 1332113013 310308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Linux. < 1332113023 541201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OK, "GNU projects or derivatives of GNU projects". < 1332113027 87278 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But if they include code FROM GNU projects, --- yeah. < 1332113029 150300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that FSF-copyrighted code come from a GNU project? < 1332113030 685510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, iffy. < 1332113035 717424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if timeconv.c does. < 1332113041 244618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The architecture stuff, I doubt. < 1332113049 383683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who the fuck assigns copyright to FSF before submitting a patch to Linux?) < 1332113053 693502 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1332113057 848445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry oerjan < 1332113065 565668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: An FSF employee working on a patch? < 1332113071 164143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good thought < 1332113086 238366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess assigning copyright to the FSF is like prayer. < 1332113158 491238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is incredibly comical. the frustrated wiki user hunched over the keyboard building up a collection of sockpuppets to secure victory for his/her article of choice < 1332113228 54971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but sockpuppets are always comical. < 1332113272 824202 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i imagined it wrong < 1332113391 23494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO THE HOUSE OF BEING ARRESTED < 1332113520 719168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332113599 21410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw have you been here all this time and i just didn't notice. < 1332113645 373882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to googles opinions of me as a google user, the first image result i get for explor language is from esolangs.org < 1332113650 78122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1332113697 314912 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-196-60.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332113728 559594 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332113728 720965 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.9 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1332113744 53198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i only noticed you when you edited talk:main page < 1332113756 550256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I don't think we'll miss HashB < 1332113763 395256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say. < 1332113787 480156 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332113787 677199 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.248.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1332113822 879114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: zero, one, infinity < 1332113824 315519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've been here for 2 hours. < 1332113826 477050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two. < 1332113834 672794 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332113834 832046 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.1 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1332113836 775147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :three. < 1332113845 809717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1332113867 721727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here wants to admit to owning the bot? otherwise i'll probably ban it if it continues. < 1332113873 576944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has had a different IP each time. < 1332113878 81914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way it's someone in here. < 1332113881 350935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. ok. < 1332113883 48878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've asked in #freenode. < 1332113891 969715 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1332113892 616237 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332113912 437414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@82.132.211.* > 1332113912 460401 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332113912 596068 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332113913 325551 :HashB!~HashBot@82.132.211.2 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1332113917 864915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~HashBot@82.132.248.237 < 1332113933 959131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1332113938 947838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e. try HashB!*@* instead < 1332113939 106302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*@82.132.211.* > 1332113939 128889 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332113944 981182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Is this HashB thing joining a lot of channels, or is the channel I'm in just special? <phillw> elliott: I've just asked the same question :) < 1332113959 217726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :HashB!*@* > 1332113959 241527 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332113982 200069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*@82.132.*.* > 1332113982 225794 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332113992 579851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many people does 82.132.*.* affect? < 1332114019 455223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not sure, let me rDNS it < 1332114059 477283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.0.0/17 is CARNET, http://www.carnet.hr/ < 1332114063 601933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one half of it. < 1332114086 185420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, who cares about croatia, that's what i always say < 1332114086 344533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.192.0/18, more specifically, is O2 < 1332114087 436311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1332114087 459345 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332114088 393594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK ISP < 1332114092 422248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.132.128.0/20 is O2 Online (UK), so. < 1332114094 894783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> elliott: mode (+b HashBot*!*@*) < 1332114095 54860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> what's about IP addresses? :P < 1332114095 55059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> phillw: you realise that pattern doesn't match nick=HashB, right? :P < 1332114095 55170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<phillw> not seen it with that nick yet. < 1332114095 55282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> huh. < 1332114121 119070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm. < 1332114125 744567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did oerjan just ban a large number of O2 users? < 1332114129 16868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if blocking O2 is reasonable, even if most british esolangers use Virgin Media < 1332114130 749256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unwise. < 1332114130 907936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so! < 1332114133 500345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about UK, that's what I always say. < 1332114137 137338 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1332114137 159825 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332114143 490345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*@82.132.*.* > 1332114143 513193 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332114146 415298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH < 1332114148 567976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FSVO "most" equal to 2? :) < 1332114156 897970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other people too, because it was wider than just the O2 range < 1332114165 455025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it wasn't my comment about sockpuppets < 1332114168 153366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1332114168 176653 NAMES :#esoteric < 1332114168 911637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but nobody cares about croatia. < 1332114173 15809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i always asy. < 1332114174 430146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*say < 1332114256 741248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1332114263 849800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some dude called "ehirdiphone" has been here from 82.132.139.4 and 82.132.139.135 and other such numbers, but that's probably not a great loss? < 1332114281 430653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1332114302 815433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I suspect you'll find an awful lot of O2 IPs from 2010. < 1332114314 566914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My iPhone was with O2, so... < 1332114316 976228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/logs/freenode/#esoteric$ grep -i 82.132 * | wc -l < 1332114317 134590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4353 < 1332114337 875779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know. Half of them will be quits. < 1332114355 830928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and the other half is just stuff like "Shrooms man". < 1332114401 520289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular, I'm referring to "2010-04-07 21:26:55 <ehirdiphone> Shrooms man".) < 1332114416 703510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those lines won't have the IPs! < 1332114420 997944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, Shrooms man. < 1332114427 851611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can all agree that Shrooms man. < 1332114430 885210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shrooms man? < 1332114441 204333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1332114453 928212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shroomsman, the very easily distracted superhero. < 1332114490 292022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded some underground comics once < 1332114521 965799 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be surprised if he was in those < 1332114651 81106 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332114682 126086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332114709 823948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1332114786 231583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Maharba < 1332114792 656010 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1332114801 952561 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ehird, right? < 1332114831 563090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm ehird < 1332114836 172113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :spartacus < 1332114836 766700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all ehird < 1332114839 233138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes :)) < 1332114854 602376 :spartacus!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1332114888 76561 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking for the "featured esolang", have a template included on the main page, and then the template talk page could be for suggesting featured esolangs. < 1332114938 860882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on using a separate template for each blurb so that there could be an archive page < 1332114956 971892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the talk page of wherever the archive is would be the best place for discussions to go < 1332114973 436693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been discussing what the simplest viable process would be with oerjan just now actually < 1332114989 552165 :Maharba!3200428e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.0.66.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new page each time we change the featured article? Sounds messy. < 1332115028 39918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suppose I could just copy the blurb to the archive page when it's done. < 1332115038 669438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely to change much while it's up < 1332115087 862418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you're right, a single template would do < 1332115199 243035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hi to Maharba