< 1332202728 446921 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332202862 938301 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332203036 398634 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C65D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1332204314 903201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This is SURPRISINGLY the WEIRDEST CHEESE you will ANNOTATE all RAMADAN: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1332204907 915325 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1332204913 316877 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1332205185 767212 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332205592 463898 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332206858 46832 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332207153 95896 :PiRSquared!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 NICK :int_argc < 1332207490 956694 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1332209297 656838 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, there was a muffin if you didn't see it < 1332209459 813786 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any muffings! < 1332209464 44352 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g// < 1332209473 257192 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/g//g < 1332209544 530843 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The muffin exists if and only if tswett didn't see it < 1332210883 479544 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks.
< 1332210890 36189 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, there is a muffin. < 1332210893 979983 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, sure enough, I didn't see it before. < 1332211571 795927 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, a second muffin. < 1332211735 991142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, why are you not in the other channel? < 1332211761 313698 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to leave after... Pbhead, I think it was, threw a fit. < 1332211795 425685 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1332211797 767398 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said stuff like, "Well, this is my channel, and I really can't handle the stuff that goes on in it sometimes." < 1332213117 104870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1332213341 370150 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. I'd be happy to see you on Rizon again, if that's your thing at all. < 1332213608 471729 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely remember that network < 1332213782 945313 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332214309 709102 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be permitted to suggest your own languages as long as it is not done twice in a row. I also think it should be forbidden to suggest anything if there is no article in the main namespace for it. < 1332214327 645578 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But even if these changes are implemented, I still have no suggestions corrently.) < 1332214400 135401 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I do have one more suggestion: That when the list is blanked or something is used, it is commented out with a note saying whether it is used or unused. After it is blanked a second time, all the old comments would be removed. < 1332214428 460409 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, perhaps ones which become used should be strike out instead of commented out) < 1332215037 592469 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in school there was an assignment to make a PCB from a certain schematic diagram, which was given to all of the students. So I did it, and it didn't work. I eventually found out, it was because the schematic diagram was wrong. < 1332217305 722960 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you logread this, the instructions on the Worms2d wiki for Worms under WINE seem to be somewhat up-to-date. < 1332217311 795705 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/Installing_WA_on_Linux < 1332217492 395280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN HEAR THE MUSIC BUT CAN'T SEE ANYTHING < 1332217497 509476 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should upgrade WINE < 1332217503 375630 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332217518 506733 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332217566 189242 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spring equinox will occur in less than one hour from now. < 1332217596 341933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the pollen count says spring sprang several days ago < 1332217616 494413 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Perhaps; but the equinox is something different. < 1332217680 13896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which is more useful? "spring begins in the northern hemisphere at this point in earth's orbit" or "spring begins when the plants start having sex and everyone starts sneezing" < 1332217742 319605 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It probably depends what you are doing, what makes what to be more useful! Chinese seasons says the equinox is in the middle of spring instead of start of spring. < 1332217835 838575 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chinese way makes more sense < 1332217840 78233 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equinox is the intersection of ecliptic with equator < 1332217846 893487 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes I agree with that. < 1332218011 553048 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it) < 1332218123 738200 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Chinese start of spring is at 315 degrees (15 Aquarius), while the spring equinox is at 0 degrees (0 Aries) by the definition of the 0 longitude. But this is only the north hemisphere; for south hemisphere, the Chinese start of spring is 135 degrees (15 Leo), instead. But nevertheless, the equinox occurs soon < 1332218165 503055 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then the spring equinox for south hemisphere would be 180 degrees (0 Libra), obviously.) < 1332218290 209997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1332218292 3543 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think the average Earth denizen cares about with respect to the question "is it spring yet?" < 1332218296 579068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:36:42: Hi, I'm Brendan Eich, welcome to my homepage. I'm the inventor of JavaScript. http://web.archive.org/web/19990128210124/http://people.netscape.com/brendan/ < 1332218303 162267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the unaware, Eich did not create that. < 1332218315 740983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: duh. it's not like we are blind to satire < 1332218348 989954 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know, but they did mention it on the news today. < 1332218384 265807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "i" "wow" is not the reaction of someone recognising it as a joke. < 1332218506 772561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, some are better at analysis than others i suppose < 1332218628 503916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I worked for a newspaper I would insist the horoscope section of the newspaper to include the exact dates and times as well as a disclaimer. < 1332218709 382345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what job would you do if you worked for a newspaper? < 1332218761 351188 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't know because I don't work for a newspaper. < 1332218771 355213 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I also don't intend to work for a newspaper) < 1332218858 38883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: who else supported? < 1332218937 280922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, read logs? < 1332218947 528541 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly, logs shortly before you entered < 1332219109 513497 :tikfreenode!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik < 1332219261 454484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:33:31: elliott, when you see this: With newest WINE, and following instructions on that page, works for me (although before I upgraded WINE I did the registry thing and didn't undo it) < 1332219266 652133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guide is really out of date, I believe. < 1332219329 383313 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me, so < 1332219456 918303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was updated. < 1332219501 655572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just tells me to do what I did. < 1332219509 153631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wine version? < 1332219523 870215 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 is what I'm using now < 1332219548 531124 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I had 1.3.28 before and did the regedit instructions before trying to upgrade WINE, so < 1332219612 137300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 here. < 1332219696 291248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How big is the ISO? < 1332219736 249702 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~575.4MB < 1332219757 914655 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332219776 200189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently someone has Google +1'd http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tag_system. < 1332219796 862120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay, link me I s'pose. < 1332220851 996172 :int_argc!~area@wikipedia/PiRSquared17 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1332221188 772444 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MatressDude < 1332221480 548442 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recorded my latest D&D game session. In addition, I have made some corrections and improvements to the "dungeonsrecording.tex" file too. < 1332221583 313656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- < 1332221637 528602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i flinched < 1332221653 186927 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is there contents of the block or only heading? < 1332221653 584461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your powers for good not evil kmc < 1332222009 224760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a heading < 1332222116 325596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all inside the geek code now < 1332222123 645662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- < 1332222686 625767 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I have done a few more things on TeXnicard today. < 1332223227 306426 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have anything to send to TeXnicard extra repository, you tell me I will add you. < 1332223977 533126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unable to find a geek code in the text you gave me" oh no it is not a valid code :( < 1332224238 151482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :'( < 1332224270 917802 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up a new geek code where it is a valid code. < 1332224428 827684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a geek code? Now? In 2012? What a weird idea. < 1332224468 484134 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332224517 95508 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with me that they ought to use the exact date and times and disclaimers? < 1332224517 868248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it webscale. < 1332224523 30989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I woke up at 3:45. :( < 1332224635 728488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps shachaf cursed me. < 1332224648 530557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hielliott < 1332224659 52856 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you cursed yourself! < 1332224665 423571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being useless. < 1332224704 532518 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I ended up sleep ~10:00-13:00. < 1332224710 18089 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was ~08:00- < 1332224751 389990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired. < 1332224876 303541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ban Jafet and op fizzie and become a turtle. < 1332224907 821368 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You are now an op. Ban Jafet and turn me into a turtle. < 1332224922 135005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG ORDER < 1332224961 523484 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY AN ORDERING < 1332224984 567642 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the one you specified, I guess. < 1332224989 350899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't count. < 1332225048 577738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Be banned. shachaf: Turtlify. (Bam, delegated.) < 1332225071 13610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Op me so I can ban Jafet and turn shachaf into a turtle and op you. < 1332225090 544872 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WRONG ORDER < 1332225096 740380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the order! < 1332225109 399916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I only ever ban Jafet for 3 years at the longest. < 1332226201 235672 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was Pluto declared to be not a true planet? Even before 1989 someone believed that it would happen one day. < 1332226240 17862 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pluto didn't even exist before 1930. < 1332226273 643590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 < 1332226362 61048 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they first defined "planet" in a vaguely formal sense. < 1332226384 670327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, mind you, even now it's a purely arbitrary term for a subset of the orbiting bodies of a star) < 1332226488 323555 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When are you going to fix client your to autojoin channels? < 1332226595 603784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like joining #haskell. < 1332226691 912192 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O the BZFlag List Server is written in PHP < 1332226819 552802 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is PHP Turing-complete? < 1332226987 961359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP: "Pretty Hopeless Privacy"? (By way of analogy with PGP.) < 1332227023 109294 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because PHP is defined purely by the php program, which is written in C, which is not TC. < 1332227079 248495 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332227088 237448 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1332227156 804366 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332227390 188694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't accept the usual "there is no standard-imposed upper limit for the size of a file" argument? < 1332227444 293448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usual". < 1332227450 782082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has that argument ever been made outside of this channel? < 1332227462 866375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1332227483 108963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the topic was discussed on some other channel I'm in. < 1332227510 655742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: off_t screws that up. < 1332227512 80090 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1332227521 988627 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But there isn't! < 1332227529 129848 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation can return any error from ftell() < 1332227550 195605 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some implementations return EOVERFLOW when the position doesn't fit in 64 bits. < 1332227583 898350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I doubt php is written in a way that uses files in order to achieve Turing-completeness. < 1332227589 790734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, but EOVERFLOW can be returned. < 1332227597 90272 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1332227610 908620 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it is possible for the Deathstation 9000 to be Turing complete. < 1332227612 914537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you sure? < 1332227617 362070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure PHP exposes a file API. < 1332227618 606054 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure about what? < 1332227625 589770 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PHP probably fucks it up. < 1332227625 751804 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1332227632 661965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a fseek that probably maps very directly to libc fseek. < 1332227644 605444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's PHP. < 1332227652 435768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably maps to a Javascript VM. < 1332227663 62434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "off_t" is not a standard C term. (ftell returns a long int, and fgetpos a fpos_t.) < 1332227694 632190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, however, a POSIX term. < 1332227717 901474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a suspicion POSIX thwarts the file method in some manner. < 1332227729 47224 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe C is not Turing-complete but POSIX is. < 1332227731 260957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a rather more gigantic set of requirements, after all. < 1332227734 200761 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On some non-UNIX systems an fpos_t object may be a complex object" < 1332227740 910320 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as a reference to a file! < 1332227762 505844 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really; it doesn't detail too many file system requirements... < 1332227805 723119 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, POSIX specifies EOVERFLOW. < 1332227811 719063 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is about C, not POSIX. < 1332227831 409281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-POSIX C is either a tarpit or Windows. :) < 1332227994 93461 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"either" < 1332228034 898683 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Yeah, ftell can EOVERFLOW, implying that there is no defined bound for file sizes. < 1332228074 218914 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can trivially map a tape onto a file and it'll just work on an implementation without bound files. < 1332228106 759875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "trivially". Mapping > to fseek is probably pretty annoying. :) < 1332228140 831684 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention any cell modification doing ungetc. < 1332228160 517458 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that annoying? < 1332228168 503193 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do you need ungetc? < 1332228183 987926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or another fseek.. < 1332228197 956177 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading from the FILE* moves where you're reading from. < 1332228221 135273 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well, sure. Just do another seek. < 1332228257 912850 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the behavior of read(1); ungetc(); seek(+1); etc., anyway? < 1332228274 95199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seek discards all ungetc'd characters from the stream. < 1332228284 292121 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read(1)? Undefined. fread(1)? Beats me, actually. < 1332228295 668834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that spec, or common implementations? < 1332228299 311840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spec. < 1332228302 85530 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant fread < 1332228304 376496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A < 1332228304 538294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :successful intervening call (with the stream pointed to by stream) to a file positioning function (fseek, fsetpos, or rewind) discards any pushed-back characters for the < 1332228307 879368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream. The external storage corresponding to the stream is unchanged. < 1332228324 593380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fread(1) would rather obviously return the pushed-back character. < 1332228326 776880 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So, you don't want to ungetc. < 1332228329 314836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes. Just seek. < 1332228391 470383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a read-write stream, successive reads are guaranteed to include previous writes, right? < 1332228416 628642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stream. < 1332228417 851875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean file. < 1332228419 387364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handle. < 1332228434 846985 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean write("x"); fseek(-1); fread(1)? < 1332228454 155554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *you* mean fwrite. < 1332228461 234478 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1332228465 974571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, apart from the fwrite thing. < 1332228470 122311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remembered to put the 'f' in front of the other two! < 1332228479 413064 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Presumably other processes can have the file open? < 1332228492 344468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't really know how read-write file handles work at all. < 1332228502 881852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my point is that it sounds like it should be fairly easy to implement a BF tape with this. < 1332228509 549867 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1332228582 346462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX has a very funnily stated bit related to writes and reads in different processes. < 1332228590 900306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writes can be serialized with respect to other reads and writes. If a read() of file data can be proven (by any means) to occur after a write() of the data, it must reflect that write(), even if the calls are made by different processes." < 1332228607 108616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I quoted this earlier, since the "proven (by any means)" sounds funny. < 1332228630 209728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proven beyond reasonable doubt by a polygraph test. < 1332228642 836143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if you can encode $unsolved_problem with a special arrangement of processes. < 1332228662 47843 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthread says what? ;) < 1332228684 309826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D < 1332228699 236314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot :: D < 1332228720 505067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::eliott D: < 1332228741 539929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "el D" elliott. < 1332228818 384740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASSIST THE EXPLODING HOUSE < 1332228860 160279 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot "eliot" eliott < 1332230164 776309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, when did I say that previous line? < 1332230170 492155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly don't remember typing it. < 1332230319 333055 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait, when did I say that previous line? I honestly don't remember typing it." -- elliot "eliot" eliott < 1332230720 69936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332230759 109612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1332230771 947226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332230787 688934 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ais523 < 1332230796 170022 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332230910 778027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unwelcome ais523 < 1332230914 46215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unwelcome: not found < 1332230946 458636 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your not welcome in here, ais523" -- elliott "hi" elliott < 1332230986 695836 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ban me from this channel! < 1332231610 621635 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332232066 389189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buildings < 1332232334 845779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try buildings origami free trial < 1332233620 302342 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@180.194.225.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332233628 701609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome SimonRC < 1332233629 868698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1332233631 849488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome simpleirc < 1332233632 11112 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332233635 514571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpleirc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332233731 807540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ais523: fizzie: pikhq_: ping < 1332233734 471770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does esolangs.org load for you? < 1332233772 856674 :simpleirc!~simpleirc@180.194.225.159 PART :#esoteric < 1332233781 294512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking < 1332233785 363242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1332233788 977462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can ssh in but not http < 1332233790 384460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1332233795 576061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wait < 1332233796 345442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://li278-81.members.linode.com/ works < 1332233809 111061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it has loaded < 1332233811 596683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty slowly < 1332233817 634056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping solidity < 1332233817 795847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING solidity (178.79.159.81) 56(84) bytes of data. < 1332233818 19922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ ping esolangs.org < 1332233818 181555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping: unknown host esolangs.org < 1332233820 601506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck? < 1332233823 891953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's working now < 1332233828 33098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here < 1332233845 406092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it was some sort of DNS glitch < 1332233847 210842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION digs it to see where it's resolving
< 1332233853 530899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ dig @ns1.afraid.org esolangs.org < 1332233853 692662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. < 1332233853 692889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Connection to 2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2#53(2607:f0d0:1102:d5::2) for esolangs.org failed: network unreachable. < 1332233856 251045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an afraid.org outage < 1332233864 707940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try a couple of other servers < 1332233869 750236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS servers, that is < 1332233874 372197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig @8.8.8.8, dig @4.2.2.1 < 1332233889 991978 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is down < 1332233900 124147 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to incompetent management. < 1332233923 213468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.8.8.8 (Google), gave me the right answer straight away, 4.2.2.1 (Level3) took a while then returned no IP < 1332233937 957254 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, esolangs.org is back up. < 1332233948 949575 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once in a while even incompetent management gets it right. < 1332233958 976126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 7188 < 1332233987 171827 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative hostname: solidity.slbkbs.org < 1332233994 166082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, back up here < 1332234010 575663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That won't send the right Host header. < 1332234019 757493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It will if you tell it to! < 1332234039 487367 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, if it sent the same Host header, it would hardly be an alternative Host name, would it?! < 1332234063 698424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, if I owned esolangs.org... < 1332234069 791515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then it wouldn't have just stopped loading again. < 1332234079 116349 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFM < 1332234093 651176 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LFM" doesn't stand for "Loads For Me", by the way. < 1332234098 65652 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it does. < 1332234104 464856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it loads. < 1332234167 30660 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIL (now it loads) < 1332234222 165283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIL (end of the list) < 1332234377 623576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what "slbkbs" means.
< 1332234419 376775 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for slbkbs "slbkbs" slbkbs < 1332234430 85609 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, C++ has the same limitations as C when it comes to being TC... a bit funny since templates are obviously turing-complete < 1332234516 376319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has rather stricter rules on pointers than C does < 1332234525 662720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not offhand sure whether it lets you cast anything into a void* or not < 1332234552 108106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org is the worst thing about esolangs.org < 1332234567 930527 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The management is the worst thing about esolangs.org < 1332234642 54340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1332234748 522408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't let you cast "anything" either, so there. < 1332234795 469041 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp needs to support <> for macro expansion. < 1332234804 233450 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define foo bar < 1332234811 523738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly C++ adds new classes of non-void*-able things. < 1332234812 851892 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why? < 1332234832 439924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Because it would make it worse. < 1332234848 434248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you could call those "pretendplates". < 1332234849 496710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance < 1332234872 710912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: CPP macros and templates are already horrible by themselves. You need a new word for the synthesis of the two. < 1332234889 436293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :variadic macros can work part-way around that though < 1332234903 236542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The new word would be "awesome". (Two wrongs make a right.) < 1332234915 921888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem < 1332234945 684993 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the <> syntax for C++ templates < 1332234954 293266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance variadic macros can work part-way around that though the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem < 1332234957 289716 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825) combining macros and templates can get horrible... macro(foo) is two macro arguments, for instance variadic macros can work part-way around that though the kind of workaround where you end up inside the wall instead of on the other side of the problem < 1332234963 834733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, don't be dissin' templates! < 1332234981 238405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1332234987 62883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have earned the right to diss templates for my work. < 1332235018 865399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could do... #define foo(...) foo<__VA_ARGS__> for every template < 1332235022 48607 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not consider CPP macros to be horrible; I don't know much about C++ templates but I don't think those are very horrible either but I do think that the < > as delimiters for C++ templates is not the good idea < 1332235053 258846 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you do that, you have to treat Haskell's type sysem the same way. < 1332235061 72696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name(__VA_ARGS__) < 1332235062 921013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is the good idea? < 1332235071 904523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, the right, not the obligation. < 1332235073 70353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: er < 1332235080 122736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or just #define template(name, ...) name##<__VA_ARGS__> < 1332235081 223776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1332235091 936579 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, something < 1332235112 183662 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the good idea would be to use () delimiters like the other delimiters in C do (since < > are used for operators instead) < 1332235123 721840 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you'd want to do both, so that you have a shorter shorthand for most templates < 1332235297 552665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I read as "A Nude Entrepreneurship Course" in the INBOX turned out to be the far less interesting "A Nudge to Entrepreneurship -course". < 1332235309 208324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: calling a function template and constructing a template class needs both a template parameter list and a parameter list ... templatefunc(1,2,3) and templatestruct(1,2,3) < 1332235414 137916 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think both parameter lists should be using () instead of having <> and () < 1332235555 472142 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a ephemeris function that you input the date/time and the object number, and the output is three set of XYZ coordinates, for the center, north pole, and zero longitude reference. Does this seem sufficient to do all the other calculation from that? < 1332235682 809378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: holy crap, the categories list at the bottom of MediaWiki pages is in source order < 1332235689 679539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assumed it'd sort them... < 1332235704 938575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more flexible this way, you can order them by hand < 1332235717 946932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's an AWB plugin for sorting them, and a huge row about whether people should use it or not < 1332235721 368535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is that flexibility useful? < 1332235729 327733 :Tiktalik!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Sleeptalik < 1332235730 444831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are missing the point of MediaWiki! < 1332235742 999156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1332235756 147395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's used to put [[Category:Living people]] first, though < 1332235787 124412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IMO, that should be done by allowing you to establish relations between _categories_ < 1332235795 609591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess this is simpler, code-wise, for that use-case < 1332235808 176508 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332235812 885636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just write a bot to reorder categories how I like them at the same time I write a bot to check for dead links < 1332235826 386365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that not only can you, in an article, choose where the category goes in the list of categories on the article, but also where the article goes in the list of articles on the category? < 1332235842 187407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, [[Category:foo | bar]] < 1332235848 163980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes sense, more or less < 1332235860 62183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit, I might argue that only DEFAULTSORT should exist, not the per-category section < 1332235865 501356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's useful for "X in Y" in [[Category:X]] < 1332235924 573547 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they also have hidden categories, at least in Wikipedia, which are not shown by default but there is a user preference to make it to display them, but in a separate row < 1332235926 391700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Category foo < 1332235979 19719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed < 1332236001 255287 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332236024 952119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speaking of bots, how hellish is pywikipediabot? < 1332236035 540938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really feel like writing my own library < 1332236062 206953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as bad as rolling your own library, although last I looked it used scraping rather than the API < 1332236066 716555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's been fixed to use the API since < 1332236103 297716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm not using it if it uses scraping < 1332236211 495097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i might if i'm really lazy < 1332236261 262646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, apparently [[Category:Living people]] exists only for BLP monitoring < 1332236272 335429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore has no subcategories, making it completely useless for readers < 1332236274 784221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, that's its purpose < 1332236278 430130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a terrible category to list first... < 1332236286 82061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so important when editing something < 1332236290 551070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by policy < 1332236293 629747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh, wikipedia* < 1332236310 399612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia isn't really aimed at readers, because they don't make the decisions… < 1332236344 257979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia isn't really aimed at the editors either, just the very small subset of editors who would like to control who Wikipedia is aimed at < 1332236420 318721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1332237747 569732 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPL HORIZONS seems broken; it doesn't do anything after a command is entered. < 1332238043 719722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't always need the type parameter on a template function call < 1332238050 877872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the type can be inferred from argument types < 1332238056 769159 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the inference is rather weak... < 1332238161 980642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1332238326 162414 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332238987 228890 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1332240251 183067 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332240277 285501 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glogbot_ignore so am I online now? < 1332240279 353442 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am I online now? < 1332240283 666657 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1332240292 351741 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!glogbot_ignore: good ping, or the best ping?) < 1332240412 802285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: no < 1332240415 213639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not online < 1332240448 155637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Now, er, how much do you know about table styling? < 1332240510 237365 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a huge amount < 1332240568 541316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1332240681 28976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:17:54: The text "More featured languages..." doesn't exactly scream "if you click through here a couple of times, you can suggest a language" < 1332240686 321689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: BTW, I don't consider this a problem. < 1332240698 914608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of person who wants to go from the main page directly to suggesting a language probably shouldn't. < 1332240906 216864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: by the way, I thought of an obvious criterion for the spam user deletion script I missed < 1332240917 699252 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1332240941 874292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: "has an entry in the block log matching %spam%" (note: this is different from "is currently blocked with that entry") < 1332240947 472071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we wiped the blocks < 1332240957 972527 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course < 1332240968 127109 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "has a 24-year block"? < 1332240981 4391 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when the reason was typoed or not given? < 1332240998 431299 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'll need to check fake-lament on that < 1332241030 138331 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it's vaguely weird to be on a wiki that's had exactly one vandal
< 1332241045 310795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&limit=500&type=block&month=&year= < 1332241052 59542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems practically all spam-user entries have "spam" in them < 1332241058 329297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the ones that are sentences talking about other spambots < 1332241080 157447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them have "vandal" even though we'd call them spammers nowadays < 1332241086 815362 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "spma" or "spa," or whatever? < 1332241089 325548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because they didn't actually link anywhere or promote anything) < 1332241104 404971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: oh, probably (although not "spma", at least), but we can delete users manually after-the-fact < 1332241116 173144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to pick off a few thousand automatically to make it less of a drudge < 1332241209 196877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: haha, wow: (show/hide) 06:13, 28 September 2005 Graue (Talk | contribs | block) blocked 69.50.165.186 (Talk) with an expiry time of 24 years ‎ (probably a spammer testing to see if shit gets deleted here) (unblock | change block) < 1332241222 488108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: they were blocked for creating [[Esolang:Sandbox]] with "Hello" < 1332241232 63380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a martyr for the ages < 1332241239 167187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit summary "just testing" < 1332241252 9269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do spambots figure out the project namespace and create a sandbox in it? < 1332241276 321966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the first block ever) < 1332241374 524576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: also, I'm wondering if lament-impersonator isn't actually lament themselves < 1332241388 925103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(show/hide) 00:27, 20 August 2007 (diff | hist) Esolang:Sandbox ‎ (Replacing page with 'cocks') < 1332241389 87506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they remind me of lament of recent years. < 1332241417 559615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lament reverted them, so I guess not < 1332241463 295327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.118.79.88 this person, presumably < 1332241470 180925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it seems it happened when IRP was on reddit < 1332241482 374524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the one vandal we got was when we were in the spotlight; makes sense < 1332242081 862368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: wow, the query is really good now < 1332242090 484366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3058 matches, without the risky duplicate-email query < 1332242108 961665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-30.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332242117 647295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-239-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1332242141 855300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: (actually, I'm more surprised there were 3043 matches before adding the log entry criterion) < 1332242147 182233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it being that effective < 1332242174 586928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would leave 1449 users to be manually checked < 1332242176 512516 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently F***** < 1332242178 904075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling ais523_ isn't here < 1332242184 285543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what < 1332242251 806422 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: supported < 1332242328 613576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ??? < 1332242416 180385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what are you on about < 1332242422 456805 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you asked who else supported < 1332242441 633138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1332242448 18219 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332242465 365656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: who the heck is Fasterisks < 1332242468 312110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean FKA? < 1332242528 294462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: fun fact: nobody has ever been unblocked on esolang < 1332242613 611757 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1332242795 782481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: mysql> SELECT user_name, user_email, user_real_name FROM user u WHERE NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM spammers s WHERE s.user_id = u.user_id); < 1332242963 434551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[User;The Catholicizer]] has one edit and it's incorrect :'( < 1332243544 928704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, [[DPEMOFKOXM]] that i deleted was actually a bot < 1332243641 572990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523_: another criterion I just thought of: only contribution is to own user or user talk page, which has been deleted < 1332243653 397802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ais523_: (keymaker has deleted lots, but never filled out a reason) < 1332243715 401328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm /really/ tempted to relax the "no undeleted contributions and has contributions deleted as %spam%" thing to "no undeleted contributions and has deleted contributions" < 1332243724 332174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker has deleted a /lot/ of such pages < 1332244254 91222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, I remember there being a false positive for that < 1332244262 376601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1332244266 457790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were blanking the page < 1332244271 34138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/creating/ it should be pretty safe < 1332244314 684460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's plausible that somebody might have put up a page that's a copyvio and it was deleted and they never did anything lese < 1332244315 513302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*else < 1332244953 701681 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been with students all this time < 1332245002 78325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said lots and lots of interesting things! Well, lots of things, anyway. < 1332245014 291770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some of them were amusing! < 1332245018 532418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Others were informative! < 1332245041 796772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ping < 1332246168 919449 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332246668 125509 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1332246681 913146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1332246687 82418 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1332246709 337092 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1332246714 926216 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1332246738 753378 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1332247005 217978 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332247426 408359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332247428 976006 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332247431 71833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover < 1332247439 167046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1332247439 408605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1332248131 782787 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332248360 853454 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, esolang idea inspired by one of my students' code: a language that ignores expressions < 1332248385 447313 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's vaguely C-like, but if(x>3) and if(y>4) mean the same thing < 1332248398 312774 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write conditionals, but not choose what they're conditionalling on < 1332248503 554413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A colleague of mine recently needed to represent DAGs (directed acyclic graphs) in Coq, and asked around for ideas. Since Coq is not a nice language to program in, I decided to use Haskell instead." < 1332248505 742958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buuuuuuuuuurn < 1332248527 924966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: did you see what I said about the first user ever blocked on esolang, btw? < 1332248579 163029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523_: haha, wow: (show/hide) 06:13, 28 September 2005 Graue (Talk | contribs | block) blocked 69.50.165.186 (Talk) with an expiry time of 24 years ‎ (probably a spammer testing to see if shit gets deleted here) (unblock | change block) < 1332248579 325459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523_: they were blocked for creating [[Esolang:Sandbox]] with "Hello" < 1332248579 325651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : a martyr for the ages < 1332248579 325760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : edit summary "just testing" < 1332248580 194309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : since when do spambots figure out the project namespace and create a sandbox in it? < 1332248582 195638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that's the first block ever) < 1332248667 603462 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1332248688 239472 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just edit [[Project:Sandbox]] on any MediaWiki wiki, it'll be translated to the appropriate alternative < 1332248705 640183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I rather doubt spambots are doing that, either < 1332248717 463240 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Coq requires your programs to be proved correct, much like Agda < 1332248727 478415 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's rather harder to program in than Haskell < 1332248735 913231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: your first statement is completely false (and also nonsensical) < 1332248745 881130 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1332248750 445402 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /if/ it made sense, it would be true < 1332248766 183789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I doubt it < 1332248768 903289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq requires nothing < 1332248775 984848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can program without using Prop at all < 1332248776 530350 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I've been awake for quite a while, you can expect me to make no sense) < 1332248836 834501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying you make more sense when you're not tired? < 1332248850 639030 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1332248853 798364 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, not by much < 1332248868 498557 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm usually tired < 1332248878 531880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that famous three-letter /^c/-word AI project? Cyc? < 1332248904 119799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyc, yes. < 1332248911 356388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rather silly thing. < 1332248914 90785 :MatressDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1332248925 562088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's COMMON SENSE in the COMPUTER, is what it is. < 1332248932 623128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billions and billions of rules. < 1332248934 671624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I hear. < 1332248967 316119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1332249051 999046 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332249056 84256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#$genls #$Tree-ThePlant #$Plant) -- did you know that all tree-the-plants are plants? < 1332249134 763926 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, that's the wireless malfunctioning again < 1332249138 977342 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, someone stealing my laptop < 1332249178 792927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1332249239 708655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox < 1332249257 941972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I didn't do that for any reason, I was just bored) < 1332249285 179332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Billions and billions of rules. < 1332249289 229291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT OF LIKE SPEECH RECOGNITION. < 1332249293 382736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1332249303 577988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not like speech recognition at all. :'( < 1332249379 834667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess with a suitably warped view it is. But no-one's spending a hundred man-years to write up them rules. < 1332249386 653688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332249439 13011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan @ oerjan welcome oerjan < 1332249442 951957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332249449 683866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hundred chinese sweatshop workers. the result is pretty good, but somehow cannot recognize "democracy". < 1332249548 493649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox ok i made it even better < 1332249574 626069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sandbox should have one of those falling-sand games embedded in it. < 1332249603 18850 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((oerjan: )S:^):^ < 1332249603 180648 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerj ...too much output! < 1332249621 648997 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to recursively ping someone, do it properly < 1332249629 900736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so. < 1332249642 733178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was thrice by intention. < 1332249649 911822 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-222.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332249677 771924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-30.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1332249703 908591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >[,>]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>]!ais523_: < 1332249711 861196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1332249720 856503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First [,>] won't run. < 1332249724 928503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1332249733 644148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>]!ais523_: < 1332249733 806134 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ais523_: ... < 1332249761 975781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ^bf output limit is smaller than the ^ul. < 1332249771 466816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no particular reason. < 1332249778 691507 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask, for any particular reason < 1332249781 940433 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you answered for me < 1332249788 480298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because ^ul is MORE AWESOME. hth. < 1332249879 97965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (oerjan: )(~:S~:^):^( let's reuse our oerjans to save the environment ) < 1332249879 296368 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerjan: oerj ...too much output! < 1332249887 117167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox ok i made it the most betterest < 1332249914 141148 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but we're reusing them anyway < 1332249920 733411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, an IP edited [[///]] usefully! < 1332249925 445001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the featured language thing must be doing some good. < 1332249930 370435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1332249937 618972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S *obviously* makes a new foo, as opposed to doing a :S on an existing foo. < 1332249955 350961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i feel guilty about dicking around in the sandbox for the last 10 minutes. < 1332249956 730734 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the (oerjan) is being :ed in both cases < 1332249977 484849 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it's inside another program in one of the cases) < 1332249995 636652 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(great things about English #50: it even lets you verb punctuation marks) < 1332249995 910829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You and your facts. I'll have no part with them. < 1332250021 960702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think Swedish does that better, they have an actual separator < 1332250029 69746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it finnish < 1332250034 16693 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many languages allow s/// constructs, with that name? < 1332250046 363866 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be more fun to link each word of "everybody seems to be doing" to a different language < 1332250052 657284 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean finding five of them < 1332250063 848928 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue < 1332250076 521673 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1332250079 41654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan) bliver koloniserad! vad imperialistiskt övergrepp! < 1332250099 696419 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue uses the ::= syntax < 1332250111 269268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan) kaksoispistetään. < 1332250114 267843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: perl, sed, ed (I think) < 1332250121 902393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like "is being double-put". < 1332250122 979934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s///ing everyone was doing was presumably on IRC, I think < 1332250132 993081 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed, sed, perl, perl6, irp < 1332250136 536469 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go < 1332250169 410236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/// is not english < 1332250209 384004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skype does s///, though it's not exactly a language. < 1332250220 542755 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And :ing is english, presumably. < 1332250256 833380 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I was pretty sure there was a picture on Wikipedia that showed the number line being projected onto a circle. < 1332250272 899183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_projective_line < 1332250273 804045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1332250299 651170 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They couldn't afford an infinite projector. < 1332250432 293916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hey, mind if I move [[Template:Featured language]] to [[Esolang:Featured languages/Current]] and [[Template:Featured]] to [[Template:Featured language]]? < 1332250625 874712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: It probably depends what you are doing, what makes what to be more useful! Chinese seasons says the equinox is in the middle of spring instead of start of spring. < 1332250653 689155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say the chinese wouldn't do that if they had snow outside the window today. < 1332250659 414198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes i do) < 1332250707 176734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture in [[w:Real_projective_line]] isn't much of a picture, though. I remember an animooted one that showed the point on the line, and a small disc where it intersected the circle. < 1332251041 327780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I'm thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Riemann_sphere1.jpg instead. < 1332251049 615653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that doesn't move either. < 1332251066 808911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the dreaded Riemann sphere. < 1332251071 568447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know, it looks hostile.) < 1332251082 548793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very friendly-looking, no. < 1332251097 254508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I might be biased, I tend to distrust speheres. < 1332251125 111593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put these metal spheres on the streets in Helsinki near one harbour area, I swear they switch places when one's not looking. < 1332251131 399659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they just stand there, all reflecty. < 1332251153 34771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're watching you. < 1332251155 832417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://photoblogi.blogspot.com/2010/04/metallipallo-helsingissa-olo-no-22.html < 1332251158 249007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things. < 1332251177 933323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's not so oppressive-looking after it's been "tagged" and dirtied like that. < 1332251189 600642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually now I feel a bit of pity. :/ < 1332251202 411013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, e probably deserved it, anyway. < 1332251225 741468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I... thought you were talking about larger spheres. < 1332251230 676549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fear of those made sense. < 1332251238 671052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/raselased/3867863746/ now that's a whole different thing. < 1332251245 289675 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't mind < 1332251257 682421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's all kinds of sizes, from like ~20 cm to maybe a metre or so. < 1332251258 508649 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember that you can transclude non-templates) < 1332251263 931043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They keep conspiring.) < 1332251267 428023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, that one looks a little sinister. < 1332251274 6778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was thinking of human-to-2x-human-sized spheres. < 1332251288 81667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: obviously, or I wouldn't move {{featured language}} to [[Esolang:Featured languages/Current]], it'd break the main page :) < 1332251297 322434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those I would probably just flee from, instead of being slightly unnerved by. < 1332251299 882973 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fun fact: did you know that templates weren't actually added to MediaWiki intentionally? < 1332251314 722690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you originally transcluded interface messages < 1332251317 727026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people used that to build templates < 1332251324 111864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was {{msg:MediaWiki:foo}} or something < 1332251324 312035 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for internationalisation purposes < 1332251330 241249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I know this because I read a comment where you explained it < 1332251337 314174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, somewhere < 1332251348 112249 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people realised you could put arbitrary stuff in MediaWiki: space even though the software ignored it < 1332251355 486639 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it think you were internationalising messages < 1332251362 736679 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how templates came about < 1332251369 421781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_November_18#Template:Tooltip-article i read it at < 1332251373 538431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got there from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MediaWiki_default < 1332251380 1992 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪ < 1332251382 504896 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1332251394 443538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hilarious, it has notifications addressed to all bots and proposed deletion notifications < 1332251396 948898 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one of the few people to ever have successfully MfDed a MediaWiki:-space page < 1332251406 857484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, link? < 1332251409 659557 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed it up by speedying one, I think < 1332251440 509009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment I've posted the MfD now. Wow, that's the second time I've MfD'd a MediaWiki: page... --ais523 10:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC) < 1332251443 979544 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1332251454 436318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article < 1332251455 727332 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article < 1332251457 638512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Tooltip-article < 1332251460 862658 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, you beat me to it < 1332251466 957233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely < 1332251470 563478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was the first one? :) < 1332251507 592059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speedy delete per WP:CSD#R3 - The redirect was created by a bot and there is no evidence that any human has ever used the redirect. It looks like a redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer. Since it was created by a bot, I would say that the "Recently created" aspect of WP:CSD#R3 does not apply. If a human thinks the redirect is needed in the future, they can create it. -- Jreferee t/c 19:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC) < 1332251507 756142 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Block_compress_delete < 1332251514 605073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: err, does this person realise you're talking about a MediaWiki-space page? < 1332251526 760339 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably did, and were intentionally-ignoring the fact < 1332251573 609032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1332251574 39959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebuildMessages.php --rebuild < 1332251574 202205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updates all messages to their current default value, regardless of whether they have been manually edited. This is sometimes used on other wikis when a new messages file has just been created, with a comprehensive set of default messages. It has never been used on the English Wikipedia. < 1332251574 476513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1332251578 628374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much it'd break if it _was_ run. < 1332251626 536813 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't get huge breakage, just lots of messages being less customized < 1332251654 720373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but that probably counts as "breakage" for wikipedia < 1332251658 681433 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's fun to see that in 2006, I wasn't sure what deleting an interface message would do and neither was anyone else < 1332251662 905306 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in 2007, I was explaining it to them < 1332251666 667909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the messages yelling at people about how to edit pages when you click edit would disappear < 1332251688 148306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you asked if sandbox edits show up in the "edit log" on [[Esolang:Sandbox]] in 2006 < 1332251693 495642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast learner, I suppose... < 1332251725 712061 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1332251734 316614 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/doing_it_wrong89.jpg < 1332251772 441646 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, you might enjoy this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki: < 1332251780 516001 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how I found the relevant MfDs < 1332251861 328200 :ais523_!93bcc344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.68 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1332252708 671214 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas < 1332252730 235143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen < 1332252784 789592 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1332252807 987427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kolmivaihekilowattituntimittari is something I always think of first when it comes to longish words. < 1332252821 997863 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :twentytwohourscurrenttimeperiod? < 1332253042 945275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Twentyfour. < 1332253049 976638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the day of the day of the day of the day! < 1332253060 389230 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1332253074 882065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miekko.infa.fi/kaksikymment.ogg, see? < 1332253177 477061 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.omniglot.com/soundfiles/finnish/hovercraft_fi.mp3 < 1332253549 710780 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332253877 711433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332253897 949546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1332253919 798417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try saving and restoring twice < 1332254053 25213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what? < 1332254077 37023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the mood for a non sequitur < 1332254491 921885 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332254867 719407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, can you fix CSS so it supports negative paddings? < 1332254894 920574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1332254906 956778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a negative margin work for whatever you're trying to do? < 1332254923 386171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not, I'm using width: 100% < 1332254938 961183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a negative margin will push it to one of the edges, but leave a space on the other side < 1332254957 165890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, a negative margin should apply in all directions, but it doesn't < 1332255346 139984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I fixed my binary diff problem with a bit of out-of-the-box thinking < 1332255390 191753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the save code to remember, for each thing it wrote out, what it was writing out (with an identifier that wouldn't change over time and was unique for each bit of the save file), and which byte in the save file it started < 1332255402 985552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I compare the files by comparing the tags and going byte-by-byte from there < 1332255408 527151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you believe hashtables to be O(1), it's O(n) < 1332255430 255137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leads to a diff format that has commands seek, copy, edit < 1332255518 440654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even convinced it's an awful hack… < 1332255520 254561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not believe hashtables to be O(1)! < 1332255586 957932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it's O(n^2) in the limit because I use a linked list upon hash collisions, but O(n) throughout the file sizes that actually happen in practice < 1332255653 208156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332256164 589112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) . (+) . (+) < 1332256167 454681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> ((a -> a) -> a -> a) -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1332256211 273276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((+) . (+) . (+)) 1 2 3 4 < 1332256215 193691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1332256219 495531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1332256221 49592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((+) . (+) . (+)) 1 2 3 4 < 1332256222 971615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1332256247 407799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haskell is slow. hth. < 1332256254 340587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1332256281 104343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks for tabling betterave. i was too lazy to. < 1332256286 772857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1332256341 483788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, did i ask you to propose deadfish as a featured language candidate yet :P < 1332256390 800042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did, but on the other hand the page says to make your suggestion _count_ < 1332256406 13092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, counting is one of the few things Deadfish is good at! < 1332256431 756921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with ais523 and Taneb snatching the very two languages i was considering instead... < 1332256468 383847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Glass is a good candidate, but its article needs _work_ before i'll link to it from the main page. < 1332256481 65973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, this is not a good lead: "This wiki page describes the structure of Glass, however, it's been described as unintuitive. If you just want to learn Glass, it's recommended that you read the IRC log of #esoteric in which Gregor taught a class on Glass. That log is available at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.01.15, and the lesson starts with the line "16:17:57 Lesson #1: Classes" Also, Gregor is always willing to ans < 1332256481 229942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wer questions about Glass on #esoteric on FreeNode." < 1332256482 944597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already _did_ work on that ;_; < 1332256502 934348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well maybe the notice is obsolete then < 1332256517 871487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it certainly seems good quality < 1332256679 667997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah you're right, it's a very good article by our standards < 1332256685 649933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the introduction needs improvement < 1332256690 602163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably do it < 1332256709 574298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1332256738 298705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fixing that up was one of the first things i did after joining the wiki < 1332256811 658612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask RocketJSquirrel What is the replacement address for http://www.befunge.org/fyb/glass/? < 1332256811 848222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1332256823 893648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, http://codu.org/eso/glass/. < 1332256850 797872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is Glass TC? < 1332256858 376689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would presume so, it obviously has the necessary control flow, but are the integers unbounded? < 1332256886 651402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, do you think it belongs in [[Category:Low-level]]? on the one hand, it involves lots of stack-munging and "VMy" things; on the other hand, it's OOP...) < 1332256901 692622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cannot imagine how it wouldn't be with a complete object system, although i have never looked deeply into how using it in real OOP style works < 1332256924 999891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd imagine you can make linked lists and stuff < 1332256928 691271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1332256967 637381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think part of glass is being _both_ high and low level in a ridiculous way < 1332256984 553999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i'll leave it without either of the categories < 1332257009 981003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i really wish there was a wikicode shorthand for . < 1332257028 994690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a shortcut for it. < 1332257034 35387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, shortcut key that is < 1332257041 426966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1332257122 440208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i joined the wiki before i even got my laptop. it may have been part of the reason why i got it, as my aunt got fed up with me using her computer all the time :P < 1332257156 909035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Glass is considered unique by its creator because it combines the < 1332257157 70875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unintuitive postfix notation with object orientation, and also requires < 1332257157 232805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensive use of a main stack, despite being (mostly) < 1332257157 232980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :object oriented.]] < 1332257167 849159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is also considered unique because it is redundant, and redundant. < 1332257171 300014 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332257280 535467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass poop < 1332257281 490510 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1332257319 30400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass houses. < 1332257347 222528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok now i need to work out how to work in the fact that EgoBot interprets it (because most people probably don't want to compile a C++ program) < 1332257399 790768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, your /// interpreter is available on your site, right? there's no point duplicating it on-wiki if so. < 1332257472 2547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er i _made_ it to be included on the wiki. the fact that i also have several versions on my site is incidental. < 1332257486 720457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is after all quite short. < 1332257507 150251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it is not the ideal place for code... < 1332257513 206523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can Ctrl+S a standalone file < 1332257541 740958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indeed graue has deleted code pages after migrating them to the file archive) < 1332257547 599628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it's short enough that it doesn't matter. < 1332257988 388433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey what do you think about swapping the colours of the meta and for readers box on the main page < 1332258205 406685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are afaict the two most compatible colors in the set and so i don't feel swapping them should make much of a difference < 1332258233 988485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue feels like a meta colour for some reason. also, green is our colour, so it should be on the most important section, or something. < 1332258262 48263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1332258262 210368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1332258272 762565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i notice nobody has commented on the last link in the meta section yet : < 1332258273 583692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1332258287 648938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about it in the logs. < 1332258337 282130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should mention that he doesn't really like peach color
< 1332258367 795526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh, i had a hard enough time coming up with acceptable colours in general. < 1332258373 546720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is meant to be pale red. < 1332258381 891099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to suggest a better one :P < 1332258388 538325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, pale red / orange) < 1332258397 373784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(orange was suggested; that was the result of trying to make orange pale enough) < 1332258507 399111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as in, a better colour, not a better pale red < 1332258519 259144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit close to the featured language colour. < 1332258563 666255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not good with style design
< 1332258718 499311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fixes formatting bug
< 1332258722 29586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the boxes were too tall, vertically) < 1332258771 710611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors will inspire you :P < 1332258976 145580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article definitely needs a different picture, in the one showing at the moment square A is obviously darker than square B. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.146.29 (talk) 13:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC) < 1332258976 307654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- comment left on [[Talk:Checker shadow illusion]] < 1332259156 5171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a liar, sir. They are not the same color. This might work in a real-life example, but the picture is a mock-up to show the effect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.43 (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC) < 1332259202 680562 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332259204 908152 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1332259232 166624 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People are wonderfully stupid. < 1332259232 426961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1332259237 159571 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1332259237 543543 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 40m 26s ago: What is the replacement address for http://www.befunge.org/fyb/glass/? < 1332259245 364721 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://codu.org/eso/glass/ < 1332259246 444277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it. < 1332259248 391140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks. < 1332259284 211465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: There's even a crank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Checker_shadow_illusion#Equivocation < 1332259341 608471 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy lol < 1332259437 150115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy has posted comments on the page from 2009 to 2011. < 1332259589 35811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah every attempt either looks worse or too similar to wikipedia's scheme :P < 1332259599 466212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't care about similarity to wikipedia's scheme < 1332259613 807242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: otoh i would like it if it was a three-letter rgb code < 1332259623 106302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. #rgb rather than #rrggbb < 1332259629 619001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why that is, it just makes me happier :P < 1332259641 395013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any ones that look nice go ahead, I'll try them out < 1332259663 402509 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1332259691 78096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Inflection Well this is a lovely talk page masquerading as an article. < 1332259715 132766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was sort of working within that restriction. what i have right now is FE5 for featured and ECF for creators < 1332259753 389873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er you don't like the featured colour either? < 1332259772 194732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rather attached to yellow for that one, it's brighter than the other colours on the page like a highlight. < 1332259779 467128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought making it closer to gold might make it sort of more prominent < 1332259791 696336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a look
< 1332259794 494049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, with my scheme it's still the only warm color < 1332259804 567695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's more prominent, but it also kind of ruins the pastel thing < 1332259810 139355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1332259820 855887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECF is quite nice, I was wondering if purple might be good < 1332259872 552847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it could do with being a little less close to DDE, the meta colour < 1332259875 455498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i implied, green-blue-purple is wikipedia's scheme :P < 1332259928 471135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a problem getting it less close without giving it the red tint i'm trying to remove in the first place < 1332259959 545204 :chickenz!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 < 1332259966 350293 :chickenz!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1332259988 859918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's purple is #DDCEF2, for what that's worth. < 1332260000 651098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so roughly #DDF or perhaps #DCF. < 1332260029 990702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, more like DCF. < 1332260044 60450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh that's even closer to the meta colour < 1332260082 155852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, later -> < 1332260086 415286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1332260388 141002 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1332261322 644819 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332262460 452115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Functional < 1332262470 489150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys tell me this was mocked appropriately at the time. < 1332262543 736153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have. < 1332262566 109881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1332262676 574837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also oi what do you think of the new Code blocks: They are enclosed with { and }. For example: if (equals(a,b), {print("a equals to b") } ) < 1332262676 738700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1332262679 869527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1332262681 101783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. < 1332262698 752067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were just another sign of the awfulness of it. < 1332262739 266180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't like the colour scheme, needs more contrast between "For creators" and "Featured language". < 1332262872 144894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to suggest a better colour for "for creators". < 1332262874 135909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan tried and failed. < 1332262882 225496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orange? Does that not work? < 1332262892 306379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is the result of me trying to make orange pastelly enough. < 1332262902 30117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh; red? < 1332262904 441752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you think orange will make it look *less* like the featured language heading... < 1332262910 639408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is also the result of me trying to make red pastelly enough. < 1332262915 977986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, um < 1332262923 281226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out that light red and light orange are both peach. < 1332262934 956738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK you realise that < 1332262943 915241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are pastels which are red < 1332262945 50533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could make it pink but I couldn't find a nice pink. < 1332262951 35980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you never used pastels < 1332262964 579642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1332262967 239513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't mean pastel. < 1332262970 193176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... what's the word. < 1332262970 812870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Commercial_pastels.JPG < 1332262975 186252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those light colours. < 1332262977 664808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft. < 1332262979 784843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. < 1332262997 199000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of a soft and delicate shade or color." < 1332262999 729374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I do mean pastel. < 1332263455 797317 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1332263537 755982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332263739 684120 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332263950 386861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I got G. to ragequit! < 1332263958 768355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must get some kind of badge for that < 1332264191 302829 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332264444 446191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a "G."? < 1332264472 545095 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0FBDA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332264493 290090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also #dce is closer to #ddcef2 than #dcf. < 1332264501 821186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Formerly Goethe. < 1332264519 177854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very-long-time nomic player (and internet nomic player), current Agora player. < 1332264524 698393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1332264540 625068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit on the curmudgeonly site. < 1332264541 766923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*side. < 1332264557 641167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one of them fisheries research biologists. < 1332264570 865576 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEBAB8.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1332264643 468469 :Sleeptalik!znc@ec2-46-137-223-5.ap-southeast-1.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :Tiktalik < 1332265035 70557 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhh < 1332265053 865727 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of you people made computer music? < 1332265069 953440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer musics all the time < 1332265086 690487 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1332265092 834034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean "computer music"?) < 1332265103 670686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :music of computers flying out of windows < 1332265112 269541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1332265118 578871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had that kind of money < 1332265122 115533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would totally happen < 1332265186 911161 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of you has a self photo where you're wearing a hat < 1332265189 2717 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the question < 1332265207 812769 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its not, but < 1332265228 207522 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawlabee < 1332265234 476300 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka RocketJSquirrel < 1332265240 838160 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1332265254 20492 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of you makes piano music on your computer! < 1332265265 26799 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor < 1332265272 362070 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA ROCKETJSQUIRREL < 1332265275 515190 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1332265277 162106 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1332265279 800401 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE < 1332265286 45632 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want from me >_< < 1332265291 744648 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ted.com/talks/scott_rickard_the_beautiful_math_behind_the_ugliest_music.html < 1332265322 294778 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes, I've seen it. It is a very poor attempt at being bad music. < 1332265339 895834 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1332265350 80707 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it depends on what you mean by bad but fine < 1332265356 501048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also golomb ruler is p cool. i remember reading about it in a gardner book < 1332265416 15489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: That thing is a fine example of why TED talks are complete bullshit. < 1332265422 602490 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1332265438 234993 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell why you think this is so < 1332265462 926883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music has melody and rhythm; I found it perfectly listenable. It might not be a pop song, but it's hardly the most ugly or dischordant music by a very long shot. < 1332265478 606828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not even a TED talk. < 1332265480 966323 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had neither melody nor rhythm, i dont know what you're talking about < 1332265491 471739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a TEDx talk. < 1332265497 265273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly, another TEDx talk was about that vortex math thing. < 1332265525 766281 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what vortex math thing < 1332265538 761362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfgq1zv8jg < 1332265566 467620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't watch unless you want 10 minutes of complete mathematical/scientific crackpottery. < 1332265609 571424 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it has neither melody or rhythm, but that's kind of why it's such a poor attempt at bad music. < 1332265613 914172 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply isn't music at all. < 1332265619 747369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be bad music, you have to be an attempt at music. < 1332265638 643589 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like saying that radar blips are bad music. < 1332265646 387692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely music. < 1332265653 19865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My standards for melody and rhythm may be lower than others. < 1332265666 613615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I certainly didn't find it an especially unpleasant arrangement of sounds, just boring. < 1332265669 552866 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1332265677 639905 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man this is painfully stupid < 1332265679 985379 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<elliott> But I certainly didn't find it an especially unpleasant arrangement of sounds, just boring. <-- this is the only part of that I agree with < 1332265709 616038 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the wrong definition of bad, then < 1332265719 719099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: The main problem is that it's played way too slowly, so it just sounds like a bunch of notes. < 1332265722 998037 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal was clearly laid out < 1332265726 29589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make anything sound like a bunch of notes. < 1332265735 475936 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the measure of goodness he employed was quite precise, and he achieved the opposite of it < 1332265746 190606 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Right, yes. < 1332265750 7635 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a very silly measure of goodness. < 1332265754 622965 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your measure of good or bad is "how pleasing it is" < 1332265754 785309 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: why does your post contain 0x08 byte before and after < and >? < 1332265755 860943 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine < 1332265770 269410 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not the measure he was using < 1332265777 294399 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the measure he was using is crap but < 1332265798 579999 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Why doesn't YOURS? < 1332265799 452722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, TED talks are basically a tool by which people can make themselves feel excited and enlightened while learning nothing of significance, and by which people can promote themselves and make what they're doing sound vital and perfect, no matter what it is. < 1332265825 639792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complete bullshit. < 1332265827 16263 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mostly true < 1332265833 481783 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some really good presentations tho < 1332265844 96935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Some people are interesting enough to rescue any venue. < 1332265875 194262 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like myself 8-D < 1332265877 15083 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See /topic) < 1332265890 631189 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 TOPIC #esoteric :see what now < 1332265897 590416 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1332265900 146477 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 TOPIC #esoteric :This is SURPRISINGLY the WEIRDEST CHEESE you will ANNOTATE all RAMADAN: http://championofbirds.com/?p=4991 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1332266019 880289 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have any experience with RISC OS or MorphOS? < 1332266089 761898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with elliott re: definition of music. i do not require such trivialities as melody, rhythm, harmony. i actually have schoenberg, webern, etc. in my collection. klangfarbenmelodie is pretty cool. < 1332266105 498604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE <-- this is amazing, watch it now < 1332266185 388422 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332266188 847568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1332266192 335908 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93dL65Q724 < 1332266289 693625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i watched the first few videos of the intro by the guy in the tedx talk < 1332266294 715925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were enthralling, we watched them in here communally < 1332266300 260718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very enlightening stuff < 1332266303 725527 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god dude this is comedy gold < 1332266323 852097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the other guy's are better < 1332266329 661516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't even watched these and i can guarantee it < 1332266495 585530 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is there a from-source package system and archive that makes some sort of attempt to work on multiple OSes? < 1332266655 995724 :nortti!~chatzilla@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312200651] < 1332266721 350447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: rpm? < 1332266726 574251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, whaddya mean by OSes < 1332266733 638489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html runs on multiple OSes < 1332266735 942333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc that is < 1332266743 231402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of them in fact < 1332266750 150600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Nix/Nixpkgs < 1332266776 840480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Neither of those use package archives though. < 1332266792 380606 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's not the important part. < 1332266797 707490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that it be able to automate package building. < 1332266799 275457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc is the typical ports-ish system, Nix uses derivation files on their own that reference external file sources. < 1332266801 134051 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I even thought that. < 1332266815 306232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Most people handle the building concern separately to package systems, I think. < 1332266818 45758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your use case? < 1332266827 173567 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl/sabotage ^^ < 1332266863 468287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, I don't see what you mean by "OS" then. < 1332266876 594197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously rpm/dpkg/apt-get will work on anything Linuxy. < 1332266887 286220 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and conveniently install glibc over my pretty musl system. < 1332266892 592767 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to set up a complete package repository. < 1332266907 329328 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a way to bootstrap "try to install " that doesn't involve me trudging through tons of packages myself. < 1332266912 269327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The implementation should be 100% C++ object oriented" < 1332266920 608593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uh... < 1332266925 480249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ohhh, package archive < 1332266927 980626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in archive of packages < 1332266934 85020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in archive format for packages < 1332266939 277450 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah, yes. < 1332266940 365335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you wanted a .rpm/.deb type thing < 1332266943 492247 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono < 1332266945 77576 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1332266951 949030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, Nix/Nixpkgs uses the system libc, I think. < 1332266957 559365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bootstraps everything else though (its own compilers, etc.) < 1332266964 666338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But it works on OS X and Cygwin, so it should work on musl. < 1332266983 43897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Of course, that doesn't handle the "OSy" things, but in your situation it couldn't anyway. < 1332266991 893251 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I don't want it to. < 1332267010 414220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkgsrc would... probably also work, but it's hard to quantify the immense magnitude of superiority Nix has over a bunch of Makefiles. < 1332267023 646574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, Nix is C++ though, so you'll have to get libc++ working. < 1332267031 99585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: (Is the C++ support for musl in a release or just the latest git?) < 1332267035 454149 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh bloody frrrp < 1332267047 735737 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a g++, but I suspect it to be nonworking. < 1332267055 682098 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix is C++? :/ < 1332267057 921631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the runtime libraries that matter. < 1332267066 885250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You could use Slackware's "package manager" and archive. < 1332267072 546103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Since they don't patch, the packages probably work. < 1332267081 616331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the package manager doesn't work. < 1332267085 228072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a trade-off. < 1332267098 776813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-179.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: :'-0 < 1332267100 237915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah :( < 1332267109 217935 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I feel I'd be safer with an archive that at least makes an attempt to work in multiple places already. < 1332267130 504475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: How about Gentoo Prefix < 1332267137 363822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works on Linux, BSD, OS X and Interix. < 1332267150 286403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, emerge sucks, and Gentoo sucks, but it's a *lot* of packages. < 1332267156 791770 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1332267186 43451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: OTOH I think it might want to build its own gcc, but I guess if you're bootstrapping that won't be a problem. < 1332267212 892033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You'll still want to put it as /opt or the like though, obviously, since it can't handle everything. < 1332267222 600567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, you could just put it as /usr and use {/bin,/lib}. < 1332267249 489926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it in /opt or something, I have no desire to trudge on /. < 1332267263 86878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is more suitable than /opt :P < 1332267277 942429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I guess sabotage already uses /usr *shrug* < 1332267284 234053 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ln -s / < 1332267288 494407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local then :P < 1332267296 922530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yeah, and if you change that, /usr/bin/env would break etc. < 1332267311 347299 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/local could work. < 1332267330 157869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I think Gentoo Prefix uses /opt/gentoo by default, so probably easiest to stick with that. < 1332267368 4162 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems to have an awfully large number of basic packages it builds into the prefix first >_> < 1332267382 57417 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure that just ./configure in gcc won't build a working gcc on musl. < 1332267432 517181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It should if you have a bootstrapped system. < 1332267439 136584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With musl as system libc and thus no musl-gcc. < 1332267460 760316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But you won't find any package sets that are widely-portable and use all the system facilities. < 1332267465 357827 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because it will have the wrong dynamic loader, and I think certain components of gcc don't work anyway. sabotage's build of GCC has tons of options. < 1332267465 845660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically impossible. < 1332267472 158266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to be isolationist by design. < 1332267483 959813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, fair enough. You can patch the gcc package, though. < 1332267496 573223 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want it to use system gcc, glibc >_> < 1332267502 102151 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, s/glibc/libc/ < 1332267566 482442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332267616 546356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Make a dummy gcc package that installs symlinks, then. < 1332267623 628680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work. < 1332267656 240968 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the secondary issue that whatever it installs into the prefix will be very GNUy. < 1332267660 584728 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably install GNU coreutils etc. < 1332267668 551926 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes against the NoGNU/Linux intent. < 1332267679 567597 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'll try it first. < 1332267835 468052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: If you just want NoGNU/Linux, your system will be sufficiently useless and bare that you will have no need for a package manager. < 1332267845 97567 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1332267846 681891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: P.S. Suggest a featured language candidate. < 1332267866 617815 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kipple < 1332267882 126912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: On http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates :P < 1332267893 346769 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pff < 1332267956 220201 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit upon further observation that its page is rather ... spartan. < 1332268026 615659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Doesn't matter, the candidates page is meant to drive people to improve the articles of the candidates they prefer anyway. < 1332268055 342803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST < 1332268061 767392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE PEOPLE HAVE ADDED LANGUAGES SO FAR < 1332268061 929527 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1332268071 9905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS ONE LINE OF INSTRUCTIONS < 1332268076 256208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BROKEN THOSE INSTRUCTIONS SO FAR < 1332268079 775065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THE FIRST HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO BREAK THEM < 1332268081 879796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate everybody. < 1332268099 670297 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alphabetical order is for losers. < 1332268116 433828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just edited the page to fix Taneb's addition right before yours :P < 1332268146 271536 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the instructions don't say you should sign your addition, but everyone is. < 1332268161 329930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==List of candidates== < 1332268161 491759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1332268170 168730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because of that. < 1332268179 396886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence, ais523 added that signature when adding his entry without updating the rest of the instructions. < 1332268186 753082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is ROGUE. < 1332268697 648369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he didn't even use that syntax ... < 1332268713 206105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Orisinal updated???? < 1332268772 538793 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1332268777 948884 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to believe in any more. < 1332268866 316783 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@132.198.21.109 QUIT :Quit: Back later < 1332268899 560757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Eh? < 1332268907 245101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Oh, because he uses ~~~ for his fancy (UTC). < 1332268910 655435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Details :P < 1332268929 537919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What is Orisinal? < 1332268938 974633 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1332268945 788541 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That collection of Flash games? < 1332268950 308701 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Winterbells? < 1332268961 747746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you are emulating the tone I take when you don't know of a thing. < 1332268999 858991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god winterbells < 1332269002 651849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu < 1332269003 801952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nny < 1332269042 675899 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was taking the "come on you've heard of Winterbells surely". < 1332269046 685341 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tone < 1332269076 997801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is ,,, hard < 1332269108 697699 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait had you heard of Winterbells? < 1332269145 977979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no < 1332269147 763170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1332269149 749596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so happy i have now < 1332269165 458200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BtW, the highest recorded score is ~7,531,195,809,589,061,900,000.) < 1332269210 101178 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the author didn't account for the ridiculous heights to which scores could go.) < 1332269234 801089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds scripted. < 1332269241 536967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My highest score is, uh, 140. < 1332269290 719029 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but note that a) the score per bell increases by 10 each bell and b) the birds which double your score are pretty common. < 1332269387 61671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1332269455 306371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you play that Hexagon game, by the way? < 1332269469 78270 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; I don't know what you're talking about. < 1332269477 67229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/ < 1332269518 906534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: From the vvvvvvtoo many vs guy. < 1332269575 972896 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is horribl < 1332269576 928942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1332269578 297240 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1332269581 349438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would he do this to me < 1332269582 333705 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaa < 1332269655 905029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets worse on level 3. < 1332269773 936718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://jonaslund.com/works/selfsurfing/ < 1332269785 334466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best thing ever(?). < 1332270287 662574 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... these words. < 1332270289 716361 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are words. < 1332270294 495369 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all I can say of them. < 1332270315 215096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Which words < 1332270348 984979 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The words on that page. < 1332270409 839464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It's a Chrome extension that mirrors all the pages open in that guy's browser. < 1332270428 32504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is browsing random nonsense for 24 hours in the most pointless performance art ever :P < 1332270429 858158 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1332270431 625009 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god. < 1332270463 686950 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow. < 1332270518 707744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derivative idea: That, but decentralised. Everyone synchronised, and everyone in control. < 1332270609 846748 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1332270869 409079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like to ask this question because of two reasons. First, my only interest in programming is to write Sokoban programs" < 1332270893 569787 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a square. < 1332270924 170152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1332270960 590292 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-20 20:51:06 ( elliott) http://distractionware.com/games/flash/hexagon/ < 1332270987 201700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1332270989 419247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From elsewhere; it was suggested the call stack in a C implementation can give you an arbitrary-sized counter (or an arbitrary-sized finite-alphabet stack) that won't necessarily run into "void * has finite size" problems, as long as you just call functions with no parameters and don't use any auto variables. < 1332271009 703730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's the thick red-band things that do me in; I rotate around them fine, but end up in the wrong rotation for the thing that immediately follows. < 1332271015 460118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, that's just one stack/counter. < 1332271021 911339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's well-known here; the problem is that you only get a PDA. < 1332271031 975438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, they're annoying. < 1332271304 718142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :About: "I like the puzzle game Sokoban." Website: sokoban.ws < 1332271309 6363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sensing a pattern from this person. < 1332271345 477490 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can get a PDA out of C. Still no TC for you. < 1332271477 680777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought PDAs went out of fashion a decade ago? < 1332271508 202216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public displays of affection will *never* go out of fashion. < 1332271594 123187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in pansy Finland. < 1332271625 679292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Scotland any public display of anything other than violent hatred towards another human is considered a sign of weakness. < 1332271845 858970 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... friendship ... is magic? < 1332272623 775199 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-244-159.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponies! < 1332273448 295571 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1332274237 644613 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Indeed. < 1332274275 778985 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT : < 1332274320 428224 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180231.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332274493 319565 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332274549 525765 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1332274549 975950 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1332274550 138453 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1332276935 732725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1332277082 430161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1332277088 517437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1332277299 926680 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332277393 916552 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332277448 913375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you talked about using something more pink, what about FCF? < 1332277470 857270 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you still deliberating over front page colours? < 1332277487 825560 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why are you specifying 12-bit colours?) < 1332277508 92728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Because the other ones are 12-bit! < 1332277508 914326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i just restarted deliberating as i came back home and had the tabs open < 1332277510 707268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 bits should be enough for everyone. < 1332277524 728159 :jackd!~jackd@176.244.62.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332277527 958528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a bit too strong: that makes it the brightest section on a page. < 1332277532 215403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome jackd < 1332277535 127317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the page < 1332277535 475775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jackd: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1332277540 603828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and FDF? < 1332277552 8487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And FSF. < 1332277553 554773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh that's good < 1332277555 288906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was wavering between those) < 1332277572 703328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll think about it some more, FDF is the best candidate yet though < 1332277599 854 :jackd!~jackd@176.244.62.58 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332277600 83530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must try all 4096. It's not that much. < 1332277609 788872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-welcomed, again. < 1332277659 171670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have to admit, i am slightly attached to the current colour scheme in that it has both the "standard" primary colours and the RGB primary colours. < 1332277674 121817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other) < 1332277718 241003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking that the _green_ now is a little to strong with the rest, what about DFC? < 1332277721 376547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#FDF is tempting, though < 1332277730 402777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1332277751 790410 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that instant_reddart bot fascinates me. < 1332277757 876073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: #DFC seems more consistent. otoh that is the _first_ section people should read, so it using a strnoger colour makes sense < 1332277763 727889 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anyone ever make something like that? < 1332277781 212609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is true that the current one seems a little dark though < 1332277816 181078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1332277820 702771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have wondered if colouring the background of the box contents with a lighter version of the header colours might be a decent idea, like wikipedia does. < 1332277832 574674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we're ripping off their design to a point where i don't care about doing so further.) < 1332277837 792657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh me too < 1332277844 184116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page seems a little bland without it < 1332277847 712935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the previous one < 1332277860 820271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My suggestion: http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb.png < 1332277964 277794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other) <-- i was trying to get something like "all the non-feature ones are cold, and equally far from each other, while the feature one stands out more" < 1332277972 302275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is warm) < 1332277996 945531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just always remember to obey http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb2.png and everything will be fine.) < 1332278056 333049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very merry colors, that < 1332278078 919978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the official colours of the new "visual whateveritwas" of our university. < 1332278092 292557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "new", it was new two years back, maybe. < 1332278156 880502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second image is trying to indicate that when you pick a color for the logo, its immediate neighbours are then illegal to use anywhere. < 1332278273 239930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our official typefaces are Nimbus Sans Bold combined with Sentinel. < 1332278386 551478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (ok mainly i just like that all the colours seem "equally far apart" from each other) <-- i was trying to get something like "all the non-feature ones are cold, and equally far from each other, while the feature one stands out more" < 1332278387 588460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1332278405 111067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mind you, "for readers" is arguably more important than "featured language". < 1332278430 598874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that paler green makes the rest of the page look more pastel, paradoxically. < 1332278501 298230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw i have hunch you won't be able to fit even lighter background versions into 12 bit < 1332278504 490284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+a < 1332278532 594452 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1332278545 568424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i was going to derive them from the header values. < 1332278551 741960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with HSV or something of the sort. < 1332278566 667958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ideally the template would do it itself) < 1332278578 106317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1332278613 562502 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, g++ appears to at least partially work. < 1332278625 165833 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile hello.cc using iostream. < 1332278901 526000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS3 added HSL color specifications. fcolor uses that in the canvas-drawing for the hue-bar, and maybe something else too. < 1332279002 334358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the weirdest; the HSL color conversion in CSS3 Color Module is given in ABC, of all the possible languages. Though admittedly it does look kinda pseudo like that. < 1332279009 673027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Impressive. < 1332279028 987203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all "HOW TO RETURN" "PUT x IN y". < 1332279029 580463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seriously? < 1332279034 988589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#hsl-color < 1332279050 676300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS3 work started circa 1999, so wtf? < 1332279181 281197 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what http://users.ics.tkk.fi/htkallas/argb2.png is meant to convey. Is it minimal distance needed for a color to seem distinct? < 1332279205 102587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: The second image is trying to indicate that when you pick a color for the logo, its immediate neighbours are then illegal to use anywhere. < 1332279220 342242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess that's kinda "yes". < 1332279260 437345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the official recommendation is to use colors at least three steps apart, that's just a rule w.r.t. the color chosen for the logo. < 1332279294 909678 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you want stuff next to each toher if you want something like flames in the background. < 1332279316 756982 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's stuff that isn't really part of the logo so much as a texture applied to it. < 1332279347 92141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not something you're allowed to do. < 1332279371 176120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also three "official" logo colors (116 C, 032 C and 300 C), so if you do what's sorta-recommended and random-select one of those, you either go with 355 C green for the rest, or programmatically select those too. < 1332279394 482579 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you're talking about, sicne I tohught this was about general logo design. < 1332279407 27718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's about our university's particular logo. < 1332279408 669137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Wave University. < 1332279436 128651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you considered opening an English branch in Mexico? < 1332279447 489392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mexican Wave University. < 1332279488 197923 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they neet a logo that consists of untextured some kind of shape? < 1332279495 10337 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I see the current logo? < 1332279500 829517 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait dinner or something. < 1332279565 280455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their logo is top-left of http://www.aalto.fi/fi/; that's just the guidelines on how you use it. < 1332279572 268653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put all kinds of symbols after it in different colours. < 1332279589 272805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see they made the site uglier. < 1332279630 507748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-198-222.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332279639 302104 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332279732 620061 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0FBDA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1332279775 570056 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332279952 162614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's three colors and three punctuation characters, ?, ! and ". < 1332279969 36528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's an irssi script to "aaltofy" text by inserting random punctuation here and there. < 1332280016 980416 :tzxn3!~tzxn3@cpc5-mapp3-0-0-cust464.12-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1332280084 554562 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1332280168 355672 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE894CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332280196 816604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what's up with the front page, there's a blatant violation of the guidelines with a blue ! and a violet bar, even though those are neighbour colours. < 1332280227 164524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the logo color randomizes, while the page content doesn't. < 1332280228 770354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude. < 1332280274 993459 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db404c7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332280289 731342 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-1.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332281212 449502 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1332281322 490284 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEAFF4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332283302 750111 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1332284735 446063 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-169.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332284777 204369 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1332284950 407351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1332284976 764780 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1332285884 818849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the compiler is done, but it fails when run in clang, because clang fails to initialize static variables in templates in the right order or something like that < 1332286231 912064 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-243-164.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332286241 26702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-238-169.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1332286556 746961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to think that the compile-time environment is, sadly, more sane than the run-time environment < 1332286697 67431 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db404c7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1332286697 776170 :hagb4rd2!~hagb4rd@koln-4db414d0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332287074 345017 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1332287184 240528 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1332287754 224139 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection