< 1333584044 85585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSQX: do you at least understand that you must not make edits with a bot unless you have admin permission to, or you will get blocked again? < 1333584048 768444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this applies to *everybody*, not just you < 1333584188 882501 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when people make a big herping point about phrases like "ATM machine" being 'redundant' < 1333584208 419381 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how many of us actually think "automated teller machine" when we see ATM? < 1333584250 805191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "ATM machine" is really annoying, though < 1333584264 874507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM is just a word and sometimes the phrase "ATM machine" sounds more natural in context < 1333584265 500612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I get annoyed by following an acronym with a word that starts with the same letter as the last letter of the acronym < 1333584268 357447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's a different word < 1333584281 676989 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you purge english of all redundancies everywhere, you'll end up with horrible stilted prose that pleases grammarians only < 1333584316 823451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a redundancy, though, it's an inaccuracy < 1333584320 831151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i am writing an article and want to say "PNG graphics" but can't because mouthbreathing dorks will whine about it) < 1333584322 821018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ATM machine would be a machine that made or serviced ATMs < 1333584329 373923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ATM is a type of machine < 1333584334 859637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "PNG-format graphics" < 1333584346 970292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that only applies if ATM = automated teller machine < 1333584351 458023 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so i have to add an extra word to a sentence that was already perfectly good < 1333584351 819931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, yes < 1333584352 105296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't = < 1333584352 629432 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that < 1333584369 491609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not in common usage to treat it as its expanded form, it's not < 1333584596 672589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PNG-format graphics" would be correct, I think < 1333584599 196581 :NSQX!~CMEG@cm94.epsilon178.maxonline.com.sg QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1333584602 201819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG alone wouldn't be < 1333584646 677868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do people get this idea of "correct" which is divorced from the very purpose of language < 1333584682 318148 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95F80.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333584693 826379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty neat graphics < 1333584710 985616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "correct" as in its meaning is clear to other people < 1333584712 30234 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if someone complains i will tell them PNG really stands for "PNG's Not GIF" < 1333584723 204089 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you think the phrase "PNG graphics" is less clear than "PNG-format graphics"? < 1333584725 822422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333584727 684157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who doesn't know what "PNG graphics" means is being disingenuous < 1333584732 89944 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1333584741 664237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ATM machine" actually has a different meaning from "ATM", as I explained earlier < 1333584743 174156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know why kmc would listen to ais523 about this :) < 1333584750 873866 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1333584762 64192 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a common sort of construction < 1333584778 169476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lamprey eel is a type of eel < 1333584782 843530 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like an eel made out of tiny eels < 1333584796 851962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an atm machine is a type of machine < 1333584815 301975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a red eel is also a type of eel < 1333584819 858083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a red eel eel isn't, it's just meaningless < 1333584822 158155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what kind of lamprey eels you've seen. < 1333584830 130059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AutomatedTellerMachineMachineFactoryFactoryServer < 1333584834 766264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the ones I have were definitely made out of tiny eels. < 1333584903 56025 :augur!~augur@96.241.2.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333584928 124077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make up arbitrary rules about language so we can smugly "correct" other people and feel smart < 1333584955 229929 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou shalt not split infinitives < 1333584970 606443 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitting an infinitive indicates that you weren't beaten enough in school < 1333584982 198809 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore that your parents were too poor to afford a school with high quality beatings < 1333584991 99787 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore that you are of Low Class < 1333585031 488908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! i shall endeavor to boldly and rebelliously split my infinites whenever ponder what preposition to end my sentences with < 1333585037 237409 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1333585094 4179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't meant to have that many _accidental_ misspellings. < 1333585112 867970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks poor muphry across the room < 1333585113 657108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which of these is more helpful: "You've got RAS." "You've got RAS syndrome." -- the latter, because acronyms are inherently ambiguous, and nearby context works to clarify and make reading easier and smoother < 1333585130 696306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no more natural way to supply that context; it would be an arbitrary, ugly construction solely for avoiding a silly prescriptivist rule :) < 1333585131 605975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the latter, "RAS syndrome" is the correct name < 1333585142 77245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's Redundant Acronym Syndrome syndrome! < 1333585142 915340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C O R R E C T < 1333585143 292961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like brainfuck starts with a lower case letter < 1333585146 957310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a syndrome where you get a syndrome < 1333585168 904182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syndrome syndrome syndrome < 1333585169 755911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym abbreviates to INTERCAL < 1333585173 188459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually B.R.A.I.N.F.U.C.K. is an acronym < 1333585180 818374 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are Incorrectโ„ข < 1333585202 806397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I owned the trademark on "you are incorrect". < 1333585224 287267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, what about PIN number? < 1333585234 287792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PIN number" is also a helpful disambiguator < 1333585236 744881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think PIN number is correct due to strength of usage < 1333585237 351152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the exact same reasons < 1333585248 64022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so your argument is just that "ATM machine" is uncommon? < 1333585250 422804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ATM machine isn't because I've heard anyone seriously say ATM machine < 1333585252 14556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333585257 484760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I've never heard < 1333585261 15111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except as an example of RAS syndrome < 1333585278 142705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atmmachine.com/ http://atmequipment.com/ ("Leading ATM Machine Retailer") < 1333585288 278023 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATMMMR < 1333585290 295577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An automatic teller machine or ATM allows a bank customer to conduct their banking transactions from almost every other ATM machine in the world." http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/atm.htm < 1333585292 700458 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, oops < 1333585307 961696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atmtellermachine.com/ "ATM Machine [...]" < 1333585320 328981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is in a news headline: < 1333585324 619869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-03/vadodara/31280444_1_sbi-atm-bharuch-india-s-atm "SBI ATM machine stolen from Bharuch" < 1333585330 901401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the two *machine.com links don't count because they're blatant SEO attempts < 1333585339 728113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from "The Times of India (TOI) is an Indian English-language daily newspaper. According to Audit Bureau of Circulations, it has the largest circulation among all English-language newspapers in the world, across all formats (broadsheet, tabloid, compact, Berliner and online).") < 1333585349 843157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: india doesn't count. they have the issac newton college, q.e.d. < 1333585352 729702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll accept the others < 1333585370 376595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would you say "SEO optimization" is a correct synonym of SEO, btw? if not, why not? < 1333585385 865961 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "correct" and why should anyone care < 1333585392 2560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct is irrelevant < 1333585395 155065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly understandable < 1333585414 277482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I almost certainly wouldn't notice it if reading an article containing it < 1333585417 501853 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 40 + 40 x 0 + 1 < 1333585418 321898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 81 < 1333585425 759280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling "ATM machine" a machine that makes ATMs seems perfectly acceptable to me in jest < 1333585430 949783 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not in seriousness < 1333585437 127165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://boingboing.net/2011/11/02/snake-in-atm-machine.html (yeah, boing boing is scraping the barrel, but still, it's evidence of colloquial usage) < 1333585440 785533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd interpret it as definitely different from SEO, it just makes no sense < 1333585450 840925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, optimizing your SEO < 1333585461 666722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about using single words rather than acronyms? < 1333585465 552680 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you people still talking about automatics ATM teller machines? < 1333585466 961687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or phrases? < 1333585473 228229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I say "single word word" rather than "single word"? < 1333585475 599958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only works with acronyms, because they "hide" the word inside < 1333585484 913315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"word word" is redundant because word = word < 1333585490 349804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ATM machine" is not because ATM =/= * machine < 1333585494 604053 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How relevant is Stephen Fry's Language thing? < 1333585494 764275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "don't do not"? < 1333585512 84702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gold ATM machine at Westfield: meet the first customer" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8610819/Gold-ATM-machine-at-Westfield-meet-the-first-customer.html < 1333585521 415061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mad Snake Inside ATM Machine" http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikep13/mad-snake-in-atm-machine-3t1w < 1333585532 922617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lego NXT ATM Machine with Change Maker" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Z-ym0k89Q < 1333585536 255495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, i seem to have trolled ais523 by accident < 1333585541 611122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly troll < 1333585544 597121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, tab = 8 < 1333585548 649619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if PIN number is OK because of usage, then ATM machine is unquestionably too < 1333585572 254434 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should title your autobiography "The Accidental Troll" < 1333585573 229743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense, a tab is an unspecified amount of horizontal space indicating a logical nesting level < 1333585605 447133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't < 1333585607 106776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1333585609 795650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/part the channel immediately < 1333585612 308468 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333585613 63723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come back in five minutes < 1333585615 517520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's OK, I was self-parodying < 1333585615 854595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me < 1333585621 672920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't be trusted to self-parody! < 1333585644 2383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, someone in another channel brought up "KFC chicken" < 1333585645 414206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I press the Tab key on my keyboard, my editor inserts U+00038 < 1333585655 684495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is definitely correct for referring to the chicken they sell < 1333585657 937138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's fine even if you're stupid and anal < 1333585659 31291 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KFC serves things that aren't chicken too! < 1333585659 214815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cannot refer to the company < 1333585660 182050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1333585667 436771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas KFC always refers to the company, not to their products < 1333585669 706554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Kentucky Fried Chicken is a company, and they sell chicken, which is Kentucky Fried Chicken chicken < 1333585671 974808 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well company names are proper nouns < 1333585672 134973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not true < 1333585675 874062 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KFCc < 1333585679 106481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I went to get some KFC" < 1333585684 946710 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone called me "Keegan person" i would probably be... confused < 1333585685 809456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means "I went to get some unspecified products from KFC" < 1333585685 970038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people actually say that? ouch < 1333585690 47838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1333585706 852552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not because it ends with chicken, that's just colloquial usage < 1333585712 973566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1333585714 122093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can I call you that? < 1333585720 716575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a McDonalds"? "a Burger King"? < 1333585732 725667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "some" works better than "a", I think < 1333585735 983729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is your name actually Keegan? if not, I see why you'd be confused < 1333585738 472995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might work better for KFC in general because it's a short acronym < 1333585784 829560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: if you go to KFC, do not order then Unspecified Product < 1333585791 64609 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the* < 1333585814 805074 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never gone to "KFC". < 1333585827 187186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, shachaf discovers the optimally condescending statement. < 1333585841 698057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, neither have I, which is surprising given that it's the physically nearest major fast food chain to my house < 1333585847 535217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should some day, probably Friday < 1333585854 625579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey that's just fud, the unspecified product is guaranteed to be from genuine vertebrates < 1333585857 622021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, "some day, probably Friday" is hilarious < 1333585870 135131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perhaps I'll see her again some day ... Sunday, perhaps" < 1333585880 556260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I didn't mean this Friday, I meant an unspecified Friday < 1333585890 463916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even funnier < 1333585895 29304 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That sentence doesn't even contain a mention of how I"m morally superior to you because I don't eat the flesh of previous-conscious entities! < 1333585906 776126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But that one does! < 1333585910 854659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he ate at a KFC once < 1333585911 267162 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1333585924 979769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you know KFC sell products that aren't made from dead animal? < 1333585930 455617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are *alive*. < 1333585937 19893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the fact that you're not sure probably means that it wasn't a particularly memorable experience < 1333585939 797122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bought something, or something like that < 1333585966 110864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _or_ that it's 16 years ago, if so < 1333585982 2234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you ate at KFC the day I was born. < 1333585990 321265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a "synchronicity"??? < 1333586001 627526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sadly it would have been in the spring. < 1333586012 554589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, summer is basically spring. < 1333586019 545201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1333586019 925146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus with relativity... < 1333586058 397917 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: elliott is suggesting that you are a relative of his. < 1333586070 131387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyy, I was tryin'a be subtle. < 1333586104 403707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1333586152 19960 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Are you a relative of elliott's? < 1333586159 435125 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Darwin, monqy is my ancestor. < 1333586165 96789 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe my cousin. < 1333586167 216746 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1333586171 533300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is everybody's cousin. < 1333586189 40178 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1333586219 238321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :134605th cousin, 40902 times removed < 1333586254 813820 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remove monqy :( < 1333586263 381064 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an unlikely number of removals. < 1333586272 149532 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a somewhat-unlikely degree. < 1333586298 93426 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think humans get more than about 4000th, and probably much less. < 1333586301 885018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: for a human and a monkey? < 1333586305 135764 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RocketJSquirrel is calling you unlikely. < 1333586306 271854 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fair point. < 1333586317 536400 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I RETRACT MY STATEMENTS. < 1333586325 919948 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I am a flying squirrel, and hence an even more distant cousin. < 1333586332 654853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1333586347 519562 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if evolution is true then why does monqy still exist HMMMMMM??? < 1333586354 566287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate, atheists < 1333586372 121969 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wanted to prove a point using a type-checker. < 1333586377 259723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then say "type-checkmate" < 1333586378 646669 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If evolution is real, then how are there people stupid enough to believe in Intelligent Design? < 1333586379 932116 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHECKMATE < 1333586400 516135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: monqy is actually a squirrel. < 1333586405 448409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits kmc with the holy saucepan of smyrna ===\__/ < 1333586412 562961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1333586414 595903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am back < 1333586434 938955 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because historically, assigning agency to natural processes is more adaptive than the alternative of running around screaming in ignorant terror of the world < 1333586435 342393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: darn good argument < 1333586442 502171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the alcohol laws in Pennsylvania are such that beer cannot be sold in quantities of less than 24 cans. < 1333586470 91999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in PA all booze is sold by the state < 1333586479 15301 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you kick Phantom_Hoover for being away for the entire duration of that tense situation? < 1333586491 730579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but maybe not for beer < 1333586491 890541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i can. < 1333586528 183286 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kick me instead! < 1333586540 914590 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I spam this channel you'd kick me, right? < 1333586551 722148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do so, please. < 1333586554 25232 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we just say I spammed this channel? < 1333586561 669424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall memories of using my op powers for jokes. ...bad memories. < 1333586574 728448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's okay. I told you to do it, so you can trust me. < 1333586585 300557 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Kick me! < 1333586591 835337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can remember /that/ but not KFC? < 1333586610 564242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i recall memories of using my op powers for jokes. ...bad memories. oerjan: you can remember /that/ but not KFC? < 1333586613 425375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :838) i recall memories of using my op powers for jokes. ...bad memories. oerjan: you can remember /that/ but not KFC? < 1333586614 477219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KFC: the most memorable thing. < 1333586627 312984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, surprisingly my memory for a week ago is better than 16 years ago < 1333586648 766858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how NSQX doesn't seem to realise that if you need to autogenerate the spec of a language you can just put the generating script up and call it the spec. < 1333586661 467205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He was trying to generate a stub table so he could fill it in. < 1333586665 443142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, can you kick shachaf so he shuts up about getting kicked? < 1333586679 329100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i can. < 1333586718 875999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you stop taking questions beginning with "can you" literally? < 1333586753 278343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you put a "please" on there, he could no longer misinterpret you like that < 1333586772 804946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, can you kick shachaf so he shuts up about getting kicked, please? < 1333586776 996636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thx < 1333586779 584472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Perhaps I'll see her again some day ... Sunday, perhaps" < 1333586781 547731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think he might kick you now though. < 1333586785 108045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you say Lyttle Lytton? < 1333586791 268277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, I can. < 1333586800 747858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: people stopped kicking me after a while, my reaction to being kicked is scary < 1333586812 412222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK you're right, I accidentally came up with a spectacular entry. < 1333586822 125829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh man. Tell us or we'll organise a demonstration. < 1333586824 361796 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333586835 67681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just disappear for a while and make them think that they've mortally offended me < 1333586843 877461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey now you're making me _curious_ < 1333586845 737363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work if you tell people what it is, though < 1333586850 968502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, peace for that long? < 1333586857 366199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't hear a peep about ATM machines or tab widths < 1333586860 499299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: isn't that what /ignore is for? < 1333586860 942658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i demand science. < 1333586875 887353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _that_ curious. < 1333586881 144223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /ignore is useless for people who don't monologue because you see people's reactions < 1333586884 567771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1333586898 568568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which means it is excellently effective against certain monologuers.) < 1333586902 692791 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution ignore the whole channel < 1333586913 502780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: there's even a command for that, /part < 1333586919 902834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"really? awesome" < 1333586920 396341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it causes the channel to ignore you too < 1333586943 751501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1333586954 603828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually if you just do /msg chanserv clear, that'll preemptively answer all possible requests for kicking < 1333586965 536769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also punish the terminal idlers. < 1333586981 168017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy. < 1333586992 853915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it requires a couple more params than that < 1333587005 24975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1333587006 984168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it once < 1333587010 393971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more than once < 1333587022 114205 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel, at least < 1333587029 225473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/cs clear #esoteric users < 1333587035 605696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew, I remembered to escape the / correctly < 1333587041 171453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you accidentally added an extra / < 1333587045 705028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1333587064 220681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:48:40: although it causes the channel to ignore you too < 1333587072 315200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not in channels without the fascist +n mode < 1333587082 430312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many channels don't have +n < 1333587097 634873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one < 1333587113 559153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got -c, surely we can get -n here too? then the channel would have *no modes* < 1333587152 822847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't it have +b? or does it have an empty banlist? < 1333587169 434091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the banlist's actually longer than I rememeber < 1333587170 799452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, an empty /mode output < 1333587184 446017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably wipe that bot list < 1333587185 893415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1333587186 573553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban list < 1333587204 606835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, alvur was in herej ust days ago < 1333587207 472626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here just < 1333587209 884444 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b78ab.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333587210 441303 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e706.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1333587210 820315 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b78ab.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1333587213 960334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Sun Apr 1 11:21:38 *!*alvur@95.57.97.* oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no < 1333587214 120770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #esoteric Banlist: Fri Mar 30 21:17:26 *!*alvur@178.89.139.* oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no < 1333587215 687569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they came back? < 1333587221 110224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333587227 76256 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos' that < 1333587227 609920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is alvur? < 1333587230 666819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what were they doing? < 1333587231 831154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a troll < 1333587240 154693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they came in here pretending to be christian, calling us magicians and heretics < 1333587253 718516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think they were aware that the channel wasn't about that? < 1333587257 930436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they used a certain racial slur beginning with the letter "n" and it took like half an hour before anyone bothered to kick him < 1333587258 842228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they could be and still do it, if they were a troll) < 1333587281 35136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, they later revealed they're actually an atheist in /msg to nortti, who copied that here. < 1333587291 873868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know, it could go either way. < 1333587297 809688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't actually answer the question, but it's still interesting < 1333587304 159721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why would they PM nortti about that? < 1333587313 431409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were they trolling #christian too or something? < 1333587316 195649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because norrti was attempting to engage them in debate in /msg < 1333587317 40671 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atheist sex maniacs < 1333587327 98107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me why, I have no adequate answer < 1333587335 470668 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a #christian in addition to #jesus < 1333587337 680188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter-trolling is the most likely answer, I think < 1333587337 946105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suspect there is none < 1333587342 739402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't know, I just made it up < 1333587352 899923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he argued with him in #esoteric first and pasted the full /msg log afterwards < 1333587365 996779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fairly standard atheist argumentation, so it'd have to be a really subtle countertroll :P < 1333587366 404722 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there is a #christian < 1333587372 880829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you in #christian now < 1333587376 506709 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1333587379 549322 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked chanserv < 1333587397 498811 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you know anything about #christian < 1333587433 76227 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1333587441 187544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1333587444 123684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst possible relpy you could give < 1333587446 484424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for future reference < 1333587451 500195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reply < 1333587454 711167 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined it just now, luke-jr is there < 1333587459 946774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can never leave < 1333587465 392449 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's almost no one there for what it's wroth < 1333587487 252323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that luke-jr popped up indirectly in another place on the internet recently, now i'm devoting a small portion of my mind to disliking them < 1333587560 839351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is luke-jr? < 1333587562 799695 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a place bitcoin related, by any chance? < 1333587575 364395 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, extremist sedevacantist Catholic in #jesus < 1333587592 170352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, though i've seen him pop up there too. < 1333587593 725967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1333587598 872780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what sedevacantist means; and I'm not sure I want to find out either < 1333587603 496273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't luke-jr one of the "saner" ones in #jesus < 1333587607 704430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about overton window < 1333587621 108071 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um, there are worse, but I don't tally him in the "sane" people < 1333587634 12243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sedevacantism (derived from the Latin words meaning "empty chair" [1]) is the position, held by a minority of Traditionalist Catholics,[2][3] that the present occupant of the papal see is not truly Pope and that, for lack of a valid Pope, the see has been vacant since the death of either Pope Pius XII in 1958 or Pope John XXIII in 1963. Some sedevacantists claim that the vacancy goes back further." < 1333587638 254303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1333587653 8327 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainproxy ^peter^ and ... one other, I think < 1333587663 179138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm trying to work out why that would matter atm < 1333587674 138151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably implies I don't know enough about Christianity < 1333587677 107149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does theology normally matter? < 1333587687 892231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :popes can declare all sorts of stuff and you're meant to like them < 1333587689 978377 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have something to do with the pope being infallible < 1333587693 701931 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope's infallible right < 1333587697 311096 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know my stuff < 1333587705 989941 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, only on certain specific issues and when he says so, iirc < 1333587713 908531 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Erm, that's an intersection and) < 1333587722 459774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infallibility is older than that though? < 1333587730 949254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if the pope is infallible, does that mean you can determine whether someone's the pope by whether they make a mistake? < 1333587742 997190 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new popes aren't infallible because they aren't popes < 1333587749 954611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, they explicitly declare when they're being infallible < 1333587761 135655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error[1] when in his official capacity he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals. It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible wi < 1333587761 296143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ll be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state that the pope cannot sin in his own personal life nor that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies." < 1333587778 34501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does this mean I can prove I'm not the pope by declaring myself infallible and then lying? < 1333587807 846282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why he would ever need to prove himself not the pope < 1333587822 568966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be on a matter of dogma < 1333587825 837914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "lying" is pretty hard to define < 1333587843 823631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could contradict myself? < 1333587845 106559 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try contradicting another infallible dogma < 1333587870 335591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you even read the Bible? < 1333587887 734013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: many parts of it, yes < 1333587893 2212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "This user favors absolute monarchy." "This user wants a philosopher king." "This user believes the separation of church and state is heresy." < 1333587896 904437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've read every word in the whole thing, though < 1333587898 261126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: agree w/ yr not tallying < 1333587958 846777 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosopher king? itidus21? < 1333587960 706528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1333587971 775969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :luke-jr < 1333588513 525582 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333588609 884324 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333589712 382173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1333589822 893566 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333590196 991447 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333590250 563857 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333590257 268115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333591990 381056 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1333592123 734948 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-239.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333592135 427743 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-197-149.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333593018 468912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333593018 866527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 03:30:12 < 1333593019 987312 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh luke-jr.. he ops in a channel i frequent < 1333593520 157379 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: theres several meanings of philosopher.. i fall more into the eccentric bum sense of the word < 1333594584 330256 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333594954 581902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time elliott < 1333594955 437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 04:02:28 < 1333594982 376039 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ๐Ÿ˜ช < 1333594984 845412 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1333594991 999852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC client is breaking my non-BMP Unicode. < 1333595007 403155 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was U+1F62A < 1333595051 523324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What? < 1333595056 779443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Unicode has 65536 characters. < 1333595057 167012 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto sleep; < 1333595059 684622 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Unicode Big Endian? < 1333595061 587638 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1333595061 987253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're thinking of -- yes. < 1333595077 300587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most operating systems don't support that. < 1333595113 310590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know it's called Unicode Big Endian because it's bigger than standard Unicode? < 1333595122 160527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which end is bigger?!?!? < 1333595140 302828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 are you like diogenes < 1333595150 911719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, "endian" is the technical term for the space in which the characters are addressed. < 1333595157 169640 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diogenes was an eccentric bum < 1333595161 842023 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was perhaps the original troll of all history < 1333595167 415043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: diogenes was somewhere in the intersection of the venn diagram < 1333595170 93762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Unicode Little Endian, which is only 12 bits, for embedded devices. < 1333595191 604052 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually do the thinking and analyzing side of philosophy < 1333595196 287683 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need embedded devices in china right < 1333595208 224999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all egg rolls and conical paper hats < 1333595230 107812 :elly!~elly@atheme/member/elly PART :#esoteric < 1333595243 527212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. elly left < 1333595250 153043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1333595251 932923 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean? < 1333595256 977113 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :means ur stoned < 1333595268 747901 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she didn't even quit < 1333595287 115123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My understanding is that the Chinese just rip off people's esoteric RISC CPU designs all day.[1] < 1333595288 704760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :==References== < 1333595293 690128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Oerjan#Who.27s_the_anal-retentive_one.3F < 1333595303 265728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. < 1333595310 427468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of use for details. < 1333595314 140526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipediaยฎ is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization. < 1333595323 717887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could find that picture of a bunch of japanese businessmen on the subway and one sad lookin white dude in a conical hat < 1333595351 989068 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it used to be at the top of ED's page for "Weeaboo" < 1333595415 465833 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It has been decided that the contents of this wiki should be public domain." < 1333595423 520750 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad there's no such thing < 1333595449 486527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, you can decide it *should* be public domain, but the only way to make it happen is to die and wait 100 years < 1333595498 342017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Copyrights < 1333595507 119005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use CC0 these days, previously Creative Commons' previous public domain dedication < 1333595519 105495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a rather comprehensive license to use for jurisdictions where you can't release works into the public domain < 1333595534 515546 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1333595549 318253 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote elliott: "(BTW, I always wondered how the Asian and Chinese people do any work with computers, given that the ASCII character set doesn't even include any characters in their alphabet...)" < 1333595550 381976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WPL5zaKzjqc/TU-E_8WY6hI/AAAAAAAAADw/lAmCit-uHEM/s1600/100.JPG < 1333595554 501213 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been wondering if i should license my code as CC0, or some other very permissive license < 1333595556 37877 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many apologies for the delay < 1333595560 159088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You removed the quote marks! < 1333595561 11978 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Asian *and* Chinese. < 1333595561 967560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, you didn't. < 1333595568 739810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just used a colon as your quote mark. < 1333595570 639908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devious. Devious. < 1333595587 42690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(full disclosure, the license was less waterproof before i took over, technically... but it was still there) < 1333595590 988205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My treachery knows no bounds. < 1333595598 554516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since CC's old public domain thing didn't include a license, we had our own pretty lousy one) < 1333595613 929822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah i've been tempted to just license all my (hypothetical) code as CC0 < 1333595615 694673 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote elliott: "Wait... I thought Unicode was still an experimental prototype? Since when does it work in the real world??" < 1333595630 234418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i tend to just go with BSD or MIT because of peer pressure :'( < 1333595632 149724 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually work in the real world < 1333595635 626228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all have ASCII privilege < 1333595684 942681 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืืžื™ืชื™ < 1333595698 52681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is that nonsense? Speak words! < 1333595704 570678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid foreigners. < 1333595716 630907 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ืžื™ืœื™ื < 1333595762 672750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ืœืœืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื• / ืื• ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืืจืฆืš ื• / ืื• ืœืœืžื“ ืื•ืชื™ ืื™ืš ื”ืงืœื“ ืืช ื”ืกืžืœื™ื ื”ืืœื” < 1333595803 148876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ืจืš ื”ื—ืžื•ืจ ื’'ืœื˜ื™ืŸ < 1333595823 542380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What did I just say? < 1333595848 51810 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That last bit seems to say "soft the donkey gelatin" < 1333595867 772771 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it means "the softness of the donkey" or something? < 1333595881 126923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I typed in "soft donkey gelatin". < 1333595885 76536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad it translated correctly. < 1333595888 649899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUDE < 1333595893 451673 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LERN2ARTICLE < 1333595903 38575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the line before that? < 1333595969 302953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to learn English and / or to return to your country and / or to teach me type these symbols" < 1333595977 850606 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1333595981 909522 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to learn English and / or to return to your country and / or to teach me how type these symbols" < 1333595990 576510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough! < 1333595992 814792 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translating grammatical errors is hard. :-( < 1333596045 939969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ื›ื™ืฆื“ ืœืคืชื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ืขื™ื” ืœืคื™ื” ื“ื™ื™ื’ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื’ืจืฉ ืืช ืืฉืชื• ืขื“ ื”ืžืขื˜ืคื” ืชื›ื ื•ืช ืžืคืกื™ืง ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื‘ืขื™ื” ืขื ื”ืงื•ื“ื™ื, ืฉื‘ื” ื•ืœื›ืŸ ืกื•ื’ ื—ื“ืฉ ืฉืœ ืฉื›ืžื™ื•ืช ืขื ื›ื™ืจื•ืคืจืงื˜ื•ืจ ื›ื ื”? < 1333596127 117053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ???? < 1333596157 464434 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm just going to paste that into Google Translate and give you the response. < 1333596162 409314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How to solve the problem that the fisherman can not divorce his wife to the programming envelope stops to think about a problem with the codes, so that a new type of ponchos with honest chiropractor?" < 1333596170 261997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But I already did that! < 1333596173 591546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the authentic native translation. < 1333596206 917665 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask kmc. < 1333596238 135137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc knows Hebrew? < 1333596259 980058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh yeah.. i didnt explain my link above.. i found the weeaboo pic http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WPL5zaKzjqc/TU-E_8WY6hI/AAAAAAAAADw/lAmCit-uHEM/s1600/100.JPG < 1333596312 741404 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hmm, it's an interesting task to come up with edge cases that when translated en->he->en naรฏvely yield a completely different output from the original input. < 1333596316 666481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, "to a thing". < 1333596337 267594 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"give me to a thing" < 1333596365 942454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ื”ื ืชื™ื—ื” ืฉืœืื—ืจ ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื”ืžืฆื˜ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืžืื™ื” ืืงืกื™ื•ืžื” ืืžื™ื“ื” ืžื•ืืฆืช ืฉืคืš ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืืžืคืชื™ ื—ื•ืœ < 1333596379 388042 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333596405 686780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ื”ื ืชื™ื—ื” ืฉืœืื—ืจ ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื”ืžืฆื˜ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืžืื™ื” ืืงืกื™ื•ืžื” ืืžื™ื“ื” ืžื•ืืฆืช ืฉืคืš ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืืžืคืชื™ ื—ื•ืœ < 1333596406 131191 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333596454 252714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling shachaf is ignoring me. < 1333596472 636539 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1333596498 503037 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333596505 651481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The searches I used to find it were, webpage search: encyclopedia dramatica weeaboo, weeaboo.. then image searches: weeaboo, weeaboo subway ,weeaboo sitting ,weeaboo contrast, weeaboo seated < 1333596507 111351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you think shachef forgot that wonderful portrait already? :( < 1333596511 148938 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืฉื—ืฃ ืžืชืขืœื ืืœื™ื•ื˜. < 1333596533 690681 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: LERN2GRAMMER < 1333596539 789667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the gull ignores me yes < 1333596545 228066 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know hebrew < 1333596550 71760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do you pronounce "shachaf"? < 1333596553 667905 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65.183.136.231 QUIT : < 1333596557 806811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it SHHH-a-TCH-af? < 1333596561 70519 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I pronounce it ืฉื—ืฃ. < 1333596562 711335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I pronounce it. < 1333596568 106425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not helpful. That's literally what you always say. < 1333596572 948886 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that is not the weeaboo picture < 1333596577 970848 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "ch" isn't a "ch" as in "chair". < 1333596579 852711 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather a photo of an anime style robot < 1333596580 728134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you pronounce shachaf? < 1333596583 742396 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like "ch" as in "Bach". < 1333596586 332761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incorrectly < 1333596589 432136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How don't you pronounce shachaf? < 1333596592 306192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No! Fuck! I hate that ch. < 1333596592 540135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctly < 1333596601 673337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The closest thing to my surname in Lojban has one of those in it. < 1333596605 734533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't fucking pronounce it. My own name! < 1333596612 791364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1333596617 789005 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, the Lojban one is velar; mine is uvular. < 1333596622 943744 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: its a guy with a raiden hat in a train sitting across from a businessman.. wires must have crossed somewhere < 1333596631 521903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means nothing to me! Is it easier to pronounce? < 1333596644 177593 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried translated "I have a feeling that Shachaf ignores Elliott." but I got "I have a feeling that Eliot ignores gull." < 1333596644 685032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is the picture i would like to see < 1333596656 591691 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliot do not ignore gull < 1333596662 465339 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, harder (for me). < 1333596668 502658 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably easier for a Russian speaker. < 1333596670 262250 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can upload it to imgur? < 1333596672 470533 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry kmc http://chanarchive.org/content/67_cgl/1993599/1248574696623.jpg < 1333596674 595013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one < 1333596682 42262 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1333596683 702834 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you itidus21 < 1333596685 427604 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that other one was a cut and paste mistake < 1333596687 198272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.< < 1333596691 988370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see my portrait of shachef? http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag < 1333596706 973911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good portrait < 1333596719 736215 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's hard to explain exactly how it got mistranslated. < 1333596723 204411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But is the Shh-a part right? < 1333596726 946750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the aff part? < 1333596742 278844 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: The main part is that you're missing a couple of prepositions. < 1333596768 536953 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The "a" is a simple short sound, as in "cup" or something. < 1333596773 341199 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The emphasis is on the first syllable. < 1333596776 64502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it elliott < 1333596778 292730 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "sh" is a "sh", I think. < 1333596786 466224 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuchuf < 1333596792 232635 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gull < 1333596795 535778 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether it's a ัˆ or a ั‰. < 1333596800 925397 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a ัˆ. < 1333596809 580351 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that looks like ืฉ. < 1333596829 419552 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, where did your ancestors live? < 1333596864 48082 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Quite a lot of places! < 1333596873 623569 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Finland. A bunch of my ancestors lived in Finland. < 1333596938 38429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let's settle this once and for all: < 1333596958 221660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://ompldr.org/vZDlrdg/shachef.wav < 1333596984 564466 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf shachaf shachaf < 1333597002 79902 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1333597009 545333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1333597044 963279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, I can fix that weird artifacting. < 1333597045 623480 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo-ooo woo-ooooo oo-wah-oooo oo-wah-oooo-oo < 1333597052 980021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo-ooo woo-ooooo oo-wah-oooo oo-wah-oooo-oo < 1333597053 140504 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo-ooo woo-ooooo oo-wah-oooo oo-wah-oooo-oo < 1333597053 140702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf shachaf < 1333597078 881831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponders whether the verb skinning on an application is a relic of quake-1 terminology < 1333597080 837198 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is that audio file just silence? < 1333597113 401847 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, my volume buttons are just broken. < 1333597151 357867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you play ``FLAC files''? < 1333597162 178582 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have a very mechanical-sounding voice. < 1333597173 756358 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure can*! < 1333597174 524257 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is linus torvalds and i pronounce linux as "linux" < 1333597183 15899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the *? < 1333597186 548045 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it said "hello, this is ..." < 1333597192 345769 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1333597200 776976 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf rug < 1333597201 838806 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1333597272 33367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://ompldr.org/vZDlreQ/shachef.flac Now with 100% less artifacts and 0% less mechanism < 1333597285 618525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow.. 100% less < 1333597301 310103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artefacts, no? < 1333597308 121327 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ...Is that the same file encoded as FLAC? < 1333597308 982562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :artofacts < 1333597346 385435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No! < 1333597347 744880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No artofacts. < 1333597440 981890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, I'm pulling your leg. Here's what my *real* voice sounds like: http://ompldr.org/vZDlreg/shachefraw.flac < 1333597510 386834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION >>= away for a while. < 1333597518 598136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1333597524 198175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think shachaf doesn't like my real voice. < 1333597566 720400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: monqy: You don't judge me, right? < 1333597620 771156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's jdugeing < 1333597712 19856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Jdgugeign < 1333597722 489444 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now all makes sense < 1333597726 100738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :djaygen < 1333597772 364959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333597772 761828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 04:49:26 < 1333597775 213245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo! < 1333597828 171945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, you just sound like a normal English pansy. < 1333597837 158267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZDlsMg bye reddit < 1333597855 122850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is that about shachefraw.flac or shachef.flac? < 1333597857 93484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1333597884 180359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's about all the other voice samples you've posted. < 1333597923 608597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, there was one more! < 1333597925 752969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I meant "which one". < 1333597932 728078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you weren't being sarcastic. < 1333597943 506972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachef.flac is the sound of an English warrior, okay. < 1333597956 384755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toiletries division. < 1333598593 352001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333598593 715495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 05:03:07 < 1333598988 23445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333599235 425922 :Urist_McTiktalik!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1333599415 5670 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1333599444 417517 :tikfreenode!znc@sg.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333599471 55273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333599471 959063 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333599587 648534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lifthrasiir < 1333599592 538789 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1333599626 535872 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporary connection failure. that's it. < 1333599915 560364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot!!!!! < 1333600492 66887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1333601654 294227 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333602096 133311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333602696 995560 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333602721 350929 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333603438 530656 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333603476 459846 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you reading this? < 1333603504 168805 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sometimes I get sick of the "teach by typing examples into lambdabot" method of #haskell pedagogy. < 1333603539 989728 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in the cases when you could give one simple explanation but instead give a dozen lines of small lambdabot examples which explain less and which the asker couldn't have come up with anyway. < 1333603643 417197 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333603667 362327 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333603669 997179 :Frooxius__!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1333603859 970499 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the haskell culture. :-D < 1333603863 53720 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1333603943 275798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's appropriate though < 1333603970 903707 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it is. < 1333603978 595700 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it myself. < 1333603983 742707 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not really a language one studies through the normal channels.. such as a teach yourself book < 1333603984 492612 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :People go overboard, though. < 1333604003 24430 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"teach yourself C in 20 minutes" books are total shit < 1333604015 469682 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for books in general, a fair number of people do start with LYAH or RWH < 1333604020 757789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-121.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333604027 652566 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm pretty sure that if I read one of those books right now, I would know C reasonably well by the time I was done. < 1333604035 567522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do you know any haskell? have you tried learning it? < 1333604040 809524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr that everything you say about haskell is wrong < 1333604101 588802 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-150-239.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333604142 554658 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to be allowed some leeway to get my ignorant reflex comments out of my system < 1333604166 384171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hm < 1333604273 753040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what this room has taught me is that i never learned about computation from anywhere < 1333604354 73585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was exposed to assembly, basic, pascal, c, c++, java, html, actionscript .. but still not really learn anything about computation < 1333604411 817204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like theres this whole tier of books which teaches people how to use variables and arrange text printing statements in different languages < 1333604475 375747 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just wasn't very resourceful growing up < 1333604531 831392 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1333604545 164786 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-121.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, almost all books on programming are just really pointlessly simple. < 1333604618 346436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadder is that computer science degrees at least here seem to only concern themselves with that basic level < 1333604621 34729 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like programming isn't just a matter of knowing n languages! < 1333604684 975493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it helps that computers are faster < 1333604691 713642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see haskell running on an 8086 < 1333604714 792295 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The lambda calculus existed long before the 8086 did. < 1333604739 643506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-121.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did Lisp. < 1333604888 440512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-245.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333604895 153775 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lisp performance on 60's mainframes was particularly good compared to the alternatives < 1333604956 340784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if 8086 ever did anything important. < 1333604969 156394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-245.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took over the world. < 1333605021 190808 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1333605031 623750 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-155-121.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1333605070 91693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my questions are mostly making sense of "why" i have seen so many languages (and btw im a horrible coder in all of them) and why i am clueless about computation < 1333605077 590865 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like programming isn't just a matter of knowing n languages! < 1333605095 622407 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered following a reputable school's CS curriculum? < 1333605099 97553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT has a ton of materials online < 1333605118 279191 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i am also examining it historically < 1333605124 732388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.004 is a lot of fun < 1333605137 323895 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is 6.828 < 1333605138 746876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why when growing up i learned this ridiculous style of programming < 1333605157 694966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never really quite questioned any of it -- that was 1 mistake < 1333605175 286656 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333605176 167632 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was that childhood naivety that these things were just magically packaged up and did cool stuff < 1333605196 270927 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1333605204 705919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ;_; < 1333605206 351893 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean depending on what you mean by "magically" < 1333605264 589381 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean, i didn't care who made them.. i revered the mysterious programming god as a kind of celebrity < 1333605303 964276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there was vortex out of which programming languages were emerging < 1333605352 524942 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1333605367 995775 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333605373 338712 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. also.. i didn't think many programming languages existed.. < 1333605389 441064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that it was such a monumental effort to make each one that only a handful were made < 1333605411 101266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that everyone all just used this handful of languages < 1333605434 186241 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if i actually thought that < 1333605563 76520 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to take from this is that even if you feel dumb, compared to me you're really quite smart about this stuff < 1333605585 360685 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^for whoever is reading < 1333605603 313094 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1333605683 27015 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing about qbasic 1.0 ever purported programming to be difficult. i didn't know what i was getting into. although it was obvious the apps i was using were not made with basic < 1333605794 525169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in closing: one of my breakthroughs was.. after hardcoding a call to a function like circle(20,20),5,2 .. i realized i could substitute variables for the position and i was struck by the power of this subtlelty < 1333605975 339195 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i can really express succinctly the fact that i expected to find here people at the same intelligence as me about programming.. theres no other way to put it how much of a shock it is < 1333606016 767123 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333606034 985133 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expected to find guys like NSQX and languages like lolcode < 1333606114 670699 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1333606118 764337 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1333606172 214245 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333606194 181928 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1333606231 107856 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1333606235 916161 :Frooxius_!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1333606322 554406 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1333606373 362149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333606578 165873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333606660 266743 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E54C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1333606790 925690 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB708.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333607180 977876 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333607207 505151 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333607521 210223 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333607807 533877 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333607864 988632 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB708.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333607900 731354 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB708.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333608211 360378 :tikfreenode!znc@sg.freebnc.net QUIT :Changing host < 1333608211 520834 :tikfreenode!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik JOIN :#esoteric < 1333608222 439676 :tikfreenode!znc@unaffiliated/tiktalik NICK :Tiktalik < 1333609108 908176 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEB708.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1333609142 963316 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEA442.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333609574 878730 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333609576 40504 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333609886 279547 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The spec stipulates that any letter not among these should be ignored. < 1333609886 478998 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1333609894 598229 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about non-letters not specified there < 1333609912 460828 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Paintfuck) < 1333609957 38399 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the original announcement says the correct thing < 1333612442 896073 :cheater!~cheater@p57AEA442.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333612458 996485 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0F4D2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333613326 699276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1333613389 6488 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1333615729 474355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's more like "ch" as in "Bach". <-- /me practices < 1333615747 609370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cool, actually < 1333616021 395668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, uvular? the german is also velar :( < 1333616057 501793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries further back < 1333616075 834956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, that doesn't make it even cooler < 1333616124 765867 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure about "back". < 1333616130 104141 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uvular is done with the uvula. < 1333616138 368887 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know how velar works. < 1333616162 372681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i tried pronouncing it like a "h", but with more friction < 1333616168 945386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1333616249 888762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... Where does the friction come from? < 1333616401 99303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait the german r is uvular, so just unvoice that < 1333616436 513204 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, an unvoiced uvular r would work, more or less. < 1333616473 884967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "According to Kohler,[7] the German ach-Laut is further differentiated into two allophones, [x] and [ฯ‡]:" < 1333616482 394232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter being the uvular one < 1333616506 572984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Bach supposedly has that < 1333616537 52951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think my german pronunciation is that precise :) < 1333616634 54275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some norwegian dialects have uvular r, but not mine < 1333616748 146603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok h is glottal, so that's too far back < 1333616757 787203 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As elliott would say: < 1333616766 446435 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it feel like having the WRONG NORWEGIAN DIALECT? < 1333616771 669977 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG PERSON. Who is WRONG. < 1333616808 131504 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know what the uvular one sounds like? < 1333616824 306205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1333616858 288842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although when i try to fake a bergen dialect, it really sounds fake < 1333616879 446867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :though possibly not because of the r < 1333617239 429056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes his german probably sounds just as fake, he just cannot hear it that well < 1333618979 284684 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like your Bach is worse than your byte. < 1333620256 940646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1333620482 694392 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1333623674 95032 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333624575 168837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1333624768 133628 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333625742 641165 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333625754 883929 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333625770 497113 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88BC9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333625806 636465 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1333625815 83184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1333625967 425394 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333625967 847411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333626048 700817 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1333626114 511399 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88BC9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333626177 777957 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do people think of this David Catt person? < 1333626247 532355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty prolific < 1333626304 687295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll wear out eventually. even zzo38 did :P < 1333626347 928671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess he's putting up things he's already made, anyway < 1333626542 779366 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333626555 479115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333626586 596798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, weird America thing: medical adverts. < 1333626588 732585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT ALL IN ALL HE'S A FINE AND UPSTANDING ESOLANGER < 1333626656 36438 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333626660 330352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333626698 748516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : BUT ALL IN ALL HE'S A FINE AND UPSTANDING ESOLANGER < 1333626726 349454 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to find somewhere with a better wifi connection < 1333626745 860875 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFTER LUNCH < 1333626770 501080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAร‘ANA < 1333626781 840704 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, hello david_werecat, I like your VB.Net quine < 1333626787 347516 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1333626792 924571 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 NICK :boink666 < 1333626842 109748 :boink666!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 NICK :david_werecat < 1333626874 55739 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1333626928 293047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also, American bacon is weird. < 1333627953 440945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333628797 891478 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1333629479 718747 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333630778 182651 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333630782 267083 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-249-245.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1333631599 475271 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: nice music < 1333631612 904849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like the faceless? < 1333631640 111167 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I perfer their first album to their new one. < 1333631690 201988 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think both have their moments, but i suppose i listen to the first one more < 1333631732 446361 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you use for these? < 1333631754 772413 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Finale Songwriter. < 1333631835 186735 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime, I'm going to post some of my actual guitar work; although the drums will still be done in Finale. < 1333631864 245739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: The universe is just a big torture chamber. < 1333631869 41697 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be too lazy to ever buy something i can actually record my guitar playing with < 1333631921 404219 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I use a Tascam, it seems to work well. < 1333631937 856832 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do you have a soundcloud? < 1333631963 628298 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never ever heard of that < 1333631975 104371 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333631986 391617 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so yeah no < 1333632077 572761 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have now. < 1333632097 56537 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1333632185 602777 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soundcloud is basically a way to share music. < 1333632226 86366 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can find a lot of people posting demos on there. < 1333632317 48347 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the page with your music was indeed your soundcloud userpage. < 1333632384 177827 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime this summer, I'll probably have a full demo EP done to post there. < 1333632646 393107 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :coo. < 1333632671 496035 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you play the stuff on your page? < 1333632793 337216 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Although, I wouldn't suggest playing "SuperEarRapePlus" for obvious reasons. Also, pause at the end of "Technical Fragment", otherwise the ear rape starts directly after. < 1333632822 876957 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you understand that i meant whether you can play them on the guitar? < 1333632855 615496 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry. I can mostly play them. < 1333632893 694986 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't do sweeps that well, but everything else is okay. < 1333632936 642849 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can sweep just fine except for that fact that people usually define sweeping as being able to sweep at 20 notes per second. < 1333633000 807185 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do two octaves of the minor scale up and down in a bit over a second, so something like 10 notes per second < 1333633052 354731 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. I'm almost up to that speed, although I don't practice enough. < 1333633069 654863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1333633102 190225 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a 7 string in GC#GC#GC#G, buying an 8 string, gonna use fourths between strings for that < 1333633115 469927 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually i have it already, but not at home yet < 1333633222 248092 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice. I don't have anything that fancy, just a normal 6 string in drop B. What type of guitar is it? < 1333633259 576498 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibanez, but i don't know much more... :P < 1333633270 880938 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly just care about the number of strings. < 1333633312 971272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1333633320 165548 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion < 1333633322 20985 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL? โ€œ david_werecat: nice musicโ€ < 1333633336 749056 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see eso page < 1333633593 685620 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost ready to release my new language "PP_TIBSA" < 1333633892 71875 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's this tascam thing's exact name? i torrented something but it doesn't seem to be right. really it would be enough if i had a way to use my webcam's mic, windows sound recorder isn't that great. < 1333633995 586946 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound gets distorted after a second or so, some kind of autocorrection. < 1333634021 384095 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tascam is a device that allows you to plug an amp directly into the computer. I use Audacity for all my editing and recording. < 1333634036 24871 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1333634050 667503 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense, but since there was a program called that, i figured you might mean that. < 1333634150 927208 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually comes with a professional recording software included in the package. I can't remember the name of that software, though. < 1333634211 323346 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that i know every mic can record decently enough for my purposes, since the first second or so sounds right, and then for some reason everything becomes filtered. < 1333634398 43885 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe try checking in the Windows audio mixer. The microphone probably has an option to turn that off. < 1333634488 596371 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1333634637 187914 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you listen to wma? < 1333634672 786551 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a sample http://www.vjn.fi/lul/wtf.wma the song is called bashing the guitar at random to get a sample < 1333634687 616115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first chord sounds like a guitar. < 1333634696 333662 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1333634752 257915 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't find an option like that anywhere < 1333634797 910643 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least under the name make an electric guitar sound like it's being played under water < 1333634846 500869 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be under "Noise Canceling" < 1333634852 988369 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1333634916 358411 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think on my computer, I found it in the Realtek control panel. < 1333634933 258395 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? where in it? < 1333634950 641964 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find anything of use there < 1333634971 548441 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking into it right now... < 1333635099 491959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1333635172 935209 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really all i'd need, since i usually only record stuff so i can better hear my mistakes. < 1333635275 184390 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still looking, it seems that Realtek doesn't handle the webcam mic... < 1333635329 128983 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might actually be under the webcam settings. < 1333635410 699971 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked, with the obvious results. < 1333635529 865109 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's somewhere, I just can't seem to find it right now... < 1333635671 133801 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an option under the Realtek control panel -> Microphone that says "Noise Canelation", but it's grayed out on my computer < 1333635735 295214 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1333635821 942430 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1333635992 633552 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best advice that I have right now it to right click on the speaker icon, select input devices, double click on the mic, then go to enhancments and turn off any options like DC Offset Cancelation, Noise Cancelation and Acoustic Echo Supression. Also, try setting the mic level to 100% and the volume boost to +30db < 1333636092 117788 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, try setting the quality to 2 channel, 16bit, 192000hz (studio quality) < 1333636101 295206 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in the advanced tab < 1333636190 750386 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the phone < 1333636226 577691 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, in that case, I have no idea. < 1333636232 800350 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i am. < 1333636243 32954 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1333636747 399241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do such stuff on the phone these days? < 1333637523 516243 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ookay finally < 1333637526 574121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still here+ < 1333637527 397243 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1333637529 244575 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1333637532 777797 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to find, that. < 1333637562 71508 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have something called Realtek HD audio manager < 1333637593 278368 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the right place, because i can't really find anything for input devices there :/ < 1333637638 616836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tennis http://youtu.be/QBqBCMpn4ZE < 1333637647 548729 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The speaker icon to right-click is the one for the Windows volume manager, not the Realtek one. < 1333637763 791771 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1333637780 42172 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Never seen something like that before! XD < 1333637803 231575 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333637896 338892 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound -> recording -> mic -> advanced has something called default format, but i can only go up to dvd quality :/ < 1333638022 415844 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make that much of a difference. DVD quality is still good quality, generally it takes an audiophile to tell if something was recorded at 48000hz or 192000hz. < 1333638030 356939 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1333638043 418116 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just want it to sound roughly like a guitar < 1333638094 786074 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there an option under the enhancments tab to turn effects on and off? < 1333638135 828778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1333638140 263903 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the main cause of the problem. < 1333638201 856169 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1333638243 708642 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find one anywhere, at least < 1333638270 453100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] generally it takes an audiophile to tell if something was recorded at 48000hz or 192000hz. <-- dibs on the "did that pass a double blind test" comment < 1333638314 604744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think that's sort of obligatory in this channel) < 1333638356 92712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :audiophiles can't distinguish 48khz and 192khz, sorry. < 1333638383 873549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html if you don't believe me. < 1333638407 462503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ("ABX test" is the appropriate lingo here) < 1333638418 329257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1333638485 187117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (play A, play B, then play randomly from A and B several times, identifying which one it is each time) (obviously the picking is automated) < 1333638579 380326 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. I do agree that it's kind of pointless to have settings like that. Although, with 192khz I can make a dog whistle that's too "powerful" for any normal speaker to handle it < 1333638610 689311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it takes an audiophile dog. got it. < 1333638615 796537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than pointless, 192khz is actually slightly worse as far as fidelity goes :) < 1333638630 738927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on many systems) < 1333638743 193444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recording and processing at a higher spatial and bit resolution might give you more room for various kinds of processing even if you downsample it to something like CD quality in the end. < 1333638822 332991 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0F4D2.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1333638848 232284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, the article covers that. < 1333638915 371449 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, although most microphones don't handle that kind of resolution so often times it only makes sense to record at maximum what your input can handle. < 1333638942 587991 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :192khz is generally too high for most equipment < 1333639209 348540 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of pointless, I just released PP_TIBSA. < 1333639402 701556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:53:58: Tennis http://youtu.be/QBqBCMpn4ZE < 1333639414 82244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You have no idea how much it costs us to import dinosaurs each year for Wimbledown. < 1333639510 151509 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine. < 1333639532 653453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wimbledon. < 1333639538 827007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wimbledown is the Australian spinoff. < 1333639596 501995 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E4B9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333639600 521396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the best part about that article I linked is seeing everyone's inane responses to it. < 1333639608 317468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you cannot import dinosaurs to australia < 1333639609 948113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Going from 16 to 20 bit is like going from vinyl to CD. Remember that every bit more represents twice the information, so going from 16 to 18 you'll get 4 times more depth." < 1333639619 689362 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the version for people suffering from Down syndrome. < 1333639636 767984 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1333639678 585066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What I can tell you guys is that there is a huge difference between 16/44.1 and 24/192. 16/44.1 just doesn't sound right. When you mix a project (usually I work with 24/96 kHz) you have a sonic depth of the elements, let's say a voice vs. reverberation; finally you get a mix down which is your "Master" but as soon as you convert it to 16/44.1 your work goes to the trash, you lose much of the program you had. The voice will get 'into your face' a < 1333639678 745483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd you will lose a lot of the reverb you had, you don't get things in the space they were. [...] On regards of the sampling frequency 192 kHz do sound softer, it's much more natural but unfortunately it does take more resources. 96kHz has a good trade off." < 1333639712 612899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly it's just "" over and over again, though. < 1333639719 854248 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333639763 270032 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be so easy to do double-blind tests of your own for stuff like that. < 1333639790 872891 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they donโ€™t want to do a test that potentially invalidates such a strong belief. < 1333639795 584754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't *test* *feeling*. < 1333639829 533473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just arrogance. < 1333640007 405388 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333640434 158605 :amina!~amina@WimaxUser361270.wateen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333640477 624709 :amina!~amina@WimaxUser361270.wateen.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1333640498 838574 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's also "I like big numbers" over and over again. < 1333640516 59352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. < 1333640518 741275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use WiMAX? < 1333640534 685809 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1333640545 525765 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I believe one of the "4G" services here is secretly WiMAX. < 1333640557 456599 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's computing! < 1333640580 225311 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's very important that the cables of your speakers don't intersect themselves, because the inductive currents are clearly audible < 1333640619 116068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you know... that carrying the body parts of your dismembered mother to a refrigerator is hardly Soft & Cuddly?" -- Wikipedia's main page as of some hours ago, displaying astounding editorial judgement < 1333640771 77519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, someone tell me what i was trying to think of but hit a dead end.. if you have 2 points with n dimensions, but you represent those points by taking < n dimensions and draw a line between them < 1333640835 900431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you had point 5,3,2 and point 8,1,4 .. and you instead interpreted them as point 5,3 and point 8,4 < 1333640843 752460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very interesting is it... < 1333640864 921398 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lasted six hours, apparently. < 1333640878 989823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1333640896 377890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to wonder who wrote that thinking "yes, I want thousands of people to see this". < 1333640941 641151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone quite evil i would say < 1333640947 802427 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is that in the context of the link, it's not even really spam, it's just not phrased in a neutral fashion. < 1333640989 833649 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know a compiler from some intermediate language to lambda calculus? < 1333640994 372468 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who has been reading too much psychology texts and wanted to mess with as many heads as possible < 1333640997 733245 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what about that? < 1333641003 533560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I wonder if it was originally scheduled for April 1st or something < 1333641003 762876 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some intermediate language with loops, ifs and basic arithmetic < 1333641023 804774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: You'll have a better time finding such a language if you don't require imperative features such as loops < 1333641023 965285 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called a linear projection, basically what linear algebra studies < 1333641031 948555 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The relevant entry and link is still there, I think somebody just decided they wanted to rephrase it in their own style *shrugs* < 1333641042 25523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well usually when i have a thought like that, i'm sniffing onto an actual theory which is very old and worn out < 1333641054 25231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's called linear algebra < 1333641062 320096 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1333641091 451002 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to learn math, that's one of the first things you should study. < 1333641093 360574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ohyeah, the article's obviously listed, since DYK lists pretty much anything that is (a) new and (b) not crap, I'm just talking about the blurb :P < 1333641116 284387 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't need loops actually < 1333641161 152460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Well, there's Lazy K's Lazier language, which compiles down to SKI calculus... you just have to replace S, K and I with their definitions. < 1333641163 706361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo n := if (n > 5): foo (n-1) else: n < 1333641170 415872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also see http://matt.might.net/articles/compiling-up-to-lambda-calculus/ < 1333641173 417587 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- something like that would work to < 1333641175 688621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1333641188 614450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which compiles a little s-expy lang to lc < 1333641225 146244 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the first thought was.. in a grid each cell tends to have 4 or 8 neighbours.. and i was thinking.. what if it only had 3 neighbours.. would it represent 2.5 dimensions in a way < 1333641250 602637 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1333641255 336859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hexagonal grids have that < 1333641265 427705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought, in a line, each cell tends to have 2 neighbours.. but if it had only 1 neighbour perhaps it is some kind of .5 < 1333641269 351869 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err have what? < 1333641285 750058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 neighbors for each vertex < 1333641303 471707 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, also the connected graph of 5 elements has that < 1333641305 930406 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter comment is like a singly linked list < 1333641321 674101 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1333641323 436976 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1333641338 632840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. is there a correlation between the number of spatial dimensions and the number of neighbours of a cell < 1333641361 337235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: there isn't, directly. < 1333641368 606152 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poor brain < 1333641391 784033 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: see oerjan's example, arguably it's still 2d < 1333641398 713482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need at least to look at how it grows for iterated cases < 1333641406 627423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1333641431 791572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure whether that works < 1333641442 47069 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.129.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333641458 359305 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take a finite amount of generators for the group Z^2, probably you get 2 as dimension if you take a limit of sizes of balls, and adjust nicely. < 1333641486 640068 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1333641518 243477 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-P ... < 1333641523 601954 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of all typed terms (simple type theory) is not turing complete? < 1333641528 341072 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make them grow constant times faster by adding generators, but i suppose you get that the size is theta n^2. < 1333641530 483313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you assume the distance is the same as shortest path between two points, then you can calculate a hausdorff-like dimension, perhaps < 1333641548 393452 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a discrete group? < 1333641552 632020 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1333641553 904494 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :countable < 1333641562 897084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1173214/how-to-stop-working what a programming question < 1333641563 398226 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're talking about the dimensions of a grid < 1333641564 230875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As every typed term has a beta normal form < 1333641567 527259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not thinking of groups, i'm thinking of infinite graphs < 1333641575 576595 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :righ < 1333641576 283471 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1333641581 154330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just consider Z^n as the intuitive example < 1333641583 948118 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was removed already. :-( < 1333641594 462182 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and streuth knows what i am thinking < 1333641594 814643 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i said might be a way to define dimension? < 1333641605 137624 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means, that every algorithm which can be represented in lambda calcalus and we can assign a type to that term terminates? < 1333641614 875790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of points at distance <= k grows like Theta(k^n) < 1333641616 933606 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d such that for any set of generators, you have that balls are of size theta n^d < 1333641619 364520 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What was the question? < 1333641627 339023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to the title < 1333641630 153157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I just deleted it :D < 1333641636 536463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise mine was the final vote. < 1333641641 469537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to thin about porn now.. to cool down from my mathy confusion < 1333641655 970104 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well right, that's exactly what i'm saying < 1333641672 138943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to upload it somewhere. < 1333641681 218938 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess the question is what kinds of growth rates can appear for groups < 1333641700 293995 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine at least < 1333641785 159632 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for me, i just had to unburden myself.. having a difficult night < 1333641796 639839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ejaculation is a good way to do that < 1333641816 145829 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wonder whether this graph thing has been thought about for hundreds of thousands of years < 1333641823 38596 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean group thing < 1333641835 278375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they talk about these groth rates a lot in the CA literature < 1333641846 935316 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1333641849 248999 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :growth < 1333641851 979348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why groups? there is no requirement that the edges of a graph have any group action relating them. < 1333641857 392567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: wget http://sprunge.us/jSTO -O working.html && xdg-open working.html < 1333641866 726091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It... may be a little anticlimatic after that effort. < 1333641868 517238 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because the question is trivial for graphs? < 1333641872 55140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wanted to try out the script! < 1333641893 533007 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CA are always run on a group, so when i hear grid, it's a particular group. < 1333641929 93557 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so countable finitely generated groups < 1333641934 569611 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well countable is implied ofc < 1333641935 214755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um and grids are a subset of graphs, so if it's trivial for graphs... < 1333641954 512876 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial that you can construct any dimension for graphs < 1333641965 630733 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using graphs that aren't f.g. groups. < 1333641987 305403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: More like grads are sabsats of graphs. < 1333641989 401661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*af < 1333641991 76591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+abelian < 1333642000 783824 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh < 1333642016 671537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph of the free non-abelian group on 2 generators is pretty clearly infinite dimensional < 1333642035 118440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's an infinite branching binary tree, iirc) < 1333642046 440454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1333642054 205786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think by 3 neighbours what i had in mind was connect-4 rules < 1333642066 27668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the most downvoted deleted question is. < 1333642095 793406 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i don't know is whether this is well-defined < 1333642099 7460 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all graphs < 1333642107 81064 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1333642109 906346 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alkdfjlasdjfklas < 1333642112 24065 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all groups. < 1333642112 235709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the other direction, finitely generated abelian implies quotient of Z^n, and i suspect quotients cannot increase dimension < 1333642154 76537 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't see the need for abelianity < 1333642171 102064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might look into amenability < 1333642172 103025 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for CA you usually assume it's either amenable or sometimes just sofic < 1333642225 321766 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sofics contain abelians and residually finite ones) < 1333642236 618228 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there are no examples of nonsofic f.g. groups) < 1333642246 173743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why do i always get caught up in discussions just as i'm becoming too hungry to think clearly --> < 1333642253 319706 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1333642273 854113 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how we mentioned amenability one second apart < 1333642350 603686 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually iirc there aren't really any examples of nonamenable groups either < 1333642378 203284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, the free group on 2 generators... < 1333642404 303206 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't even remember the definition of amenability, but i see < 1333642438 890125 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do seem to recall that the garden of eden theorem is true on amenable groups but not on the free group < 1333642450 228876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was a long-standing, eventually solved problem whether every non-amenable countable discrete group had to contain F_2, i don't quite remember which way the solution went < 1333642459 749766 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1333642509 7121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it you who solved it though? < 1333642519 559771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1333642568 262131 :juhani!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333642576 698959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello finnish person < 1333642584 941227 :juhani!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1333642594 700789 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just you < 1333643318 303866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333643330 836352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1333643342 314848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do people think of 0x10c? < 1333643563 62144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olleh < 1333643579 128209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: me, heck no < 1333643607 552682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'm not entirely sure it was solved. should look it up... < 1333643638 150621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan <-- I WAS HUNGRY I SAID < 1333643653 538421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically still am) < 1333643669 884597 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i proved a lemma about a very specific class of topological groups today! < 1333643686 514747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, has anyone asked david_werecat the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS? < 1333643699 917693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1333643701 538038 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't really require a proof but i stated it < 1333643720 211944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb for never marking his move in the iwc h&h's -----### < 1333643732 626632 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow < 1333643744 315457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat, do you live in Hexham? < 1333643757 324814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the only one, but you're the one within swatting distance < 1333643768 498916 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1333643772 910331 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham? < 1333643792 437732 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a town, famous for it's unusually high density of esoteric programmers < 1333643819 447974 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no. < 1333643820 660002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: it has been established that approximately 91.3% of #esoteric regulars are from either hexham or helsinki. < 1333643861 323605 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is your swatula thing always 5'-'3'#'? < 1333643878 587927 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is what it feels like to be a minority... < 1333643879 493607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: DEFINITELY < 1333643894 481095 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatula :D < 1333643894 838794 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you type it in by hand each time or do you have some automation to do it? < 1333643903 673018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: the approximation may be a _teeny_ bit off < 1333643940 898625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :automation, what kind of insane magic is that < 1333643942 336707 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeny tit < 1333643953 635299 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My approximation that 100% of approximations are accurate is probably off too... < 1333643953 808925 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's 2 from Hexham and 5-ish from Helsinki) < 1333643962 848969 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been to Helsinki! < 1333643971 311629 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been to Hexham! < 1333643971 824191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 1/2-ish, then < 1333643974 882897 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also been to the UK. < 1333643980 649142 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: are you sure about the number for helsinki? < 1333643985 412013 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you list them < 1333643993 531756 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, I cannot < 1333644001 298172 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was two for helsinki < 1333644022 988010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's three at least < 1333644028 81957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie Deewiant atehwa (I think) < 1333644033 796561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ineiros too i think < 1333644040 430137 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti? < 1333644045 206374 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti is not from h < 1333644048 205335 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1333644066 368584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those finns, confusing everyone by having more than one town < 1333644070 113667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1333644079 200307 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least five of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1333644083 897215 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also thought ineiros isn't from helsinki < 1333644090 785980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham < 1333644095 274938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham? ยฏ\(ยฐ_o)/ยฏ < 1333644118 149037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1333644120 50776 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now living in Helsinki. Two months ago I was living in Espoo. < 1333644120 702148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :โ€‹%ี“.แ“ิษข1cs ุ„อ‰[ู. .ัไฝฬ$}.fฟOgจุW-ƒuๅuh”แ~}8pŽงศ˜ž3 $.ุKˆร.ี.แ.Pะฮ*F,i.aผ+ตณฯ^B๓T.…Š1ฺ›.†‘%ฤ>–จ๓"™Y็‡!..•.๏.L3Kลษ๘ะฬฉcษj่–r2ๆ)8ฦ+ๅ[์#ย๋\ฆพ”.k๚qษ)ศ๚.ฅš;ฒ{ร`ถญ๔‰.T๛.w”Nบ.ๅ3Aฑ.95‚OฆฎEอ.ิึไฤ๘3–y'.ีYž..1ฅPXคฯ” Ž.ฌื๓ ๖จภq5?qiaอ99.กh๙ฬDวฅฅVฅำK๒ฃaิฒT• < 1333644126 187222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my alt) < 1333644126 716281 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1333644137 309780 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 4 then < 1333644142 439178 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly more < 1333644151 261113 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that said "from Helsinki". < 1333644170 815126 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what said? < 1333644176 934281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Hexham is a European town. There are five people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Ngevd runs the student board. < 1333644180 98636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1333644192 6777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: More like: EsPOO. < 1333644192 167685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be close enough. < 1333644207 869423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DSDSD < 1333644227 691252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, for Helsinki to have the same esolanger density as hexham, it would need over 100 esolangers. < 1333644232 986440 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try harder < 1333644247 885207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ion helsinkian? < 1333644259 359928 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there's another esolanger at our uni, he just doesn't do irc < 1333644259 877949 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tampere < 1333644266 242180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1333644266 946312 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was ion < 1333644276 130782 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered it was someone who started with i < 1333644287 432677 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both ilari and ineiros do, so i assumed he double lives there < 1333644287 652800 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And technically fizzie is not living in Helsinki) < 1333644298 390158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aloril? < 1333644322 312041 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to Tampere! < 1333644337 814461 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think we could count the whole Greater Helsinki. < 1333644338 316998 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1333644366 683598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Finland < 1333644377 146121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1333644377 538170 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You mean Europe. < 1333644392 473217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you haven't conquered us _yet_... < 1333644395 290175 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are fizzie and fizziew the same person? < 1333644409 237882 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is fizzie's wife < 1333644410 254520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: implausible < 1333644424 334408 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually the Helsinki Metropolitan Area. Greater Helsinki refers to an area that is too large. < 1333644425 839316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, fizzie is married (yes it was a shock to me too) < 1333644453 615547 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: fizziew may not be fizzie's wife) < 1333644472 857824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me ages to figure out oklopol and oklofok are different people < 1333644495 555813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1333644503 934816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb i hate to break it to you but < 1333644506 16113 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe fizziew is just fizzie's alter ego. < 1333644509 172346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're < 1333644509 884064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not < 1333644548 561075 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are shachaf and shachef different people? < 1333644553 587525 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw me and my ex once talked about taking the bus to helsinki, and asking you to be a witness for our marriage and then getting married < 1333644569 69761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1333644592 435229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, that means shachaf doesn't look like a monkey anyhow? < 1333644605 925863 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one that visited the channel once) < 1333644610 520224 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or twice) < 1333644633 799057 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh? I'm not the Bonzi BUDDY thing. < 1333644638 831721 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's just he background. < 1333644645 404589 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm the multicolored thing in the foreground. < 1333644655 463186 :shachef!shachef@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333644657 525550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: suuuuuure. hm what was the link again. < 1333644658 793979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan doesn't "get" art. < 1333644662 141936 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachef < 1333644668 108120 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1333644668 326882 :shachef!shachef@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1333644680 735582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag/shachef.png < 1333644681 984474 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachef: @admin + elliott < 1333644687 330541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@admin - shachaf < 1333644693 673023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@squat < 1333644693 893841 :shachef!shachef@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 QUIT :Client Quit < 1333644696 700346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gracias < 1333644709 162911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Based on this photograph: http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png < 1333644820 776919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news... < 1333644824 841616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if _everyone_ gets ben-kiki as the second suggested google completion for shachaf < 1333644841 598747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I do < 1333644847 510031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's his: name. < 1333644847 670354 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1333644894 428717 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nathan van Doorn (@Taneb) is now following you on Twitter! < 1333644896 984199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um, duh, that's why i asked < 1333644903 393314 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think I'll go and watch some burlesque. < 1333644916 293500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that is my twitter account! < 1333644918 213691 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think many other people have that: name. < 1333644936 680760 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I even have a Twitter account? < 1333644942 511132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I refuse to believe more than, like, three people could have a name as silly as "Ben-Kiki". < 1333644958 33255 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And they're all me. :-( < 1333644983 150802 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hay you. < 1333645013 112764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi zzo38. < 1333645038 597644 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 reads log, I heard. < 1333645042 880232 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hi zzo38!) < 1333645063 471902 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hay you. < 1333645101 151215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote oerjan < 1333645106 491408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lam < 1333645107 786488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lam < 1333645113 380653 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm now on page 3 in google, i should probably ask for a raise < 1333645118 376073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing, that < 1333645196 909222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren, that's almost oerjan. maybe i am secretly his father. < 1333645252 424097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you oerjan's son? < 1333645271 716633 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That depends. Does oerjan hate styrofoam? < 1333645336 461565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "styrofoam" I'll hear it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargjiorjg < 1333645395 771224 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Little-known fact: Pronouncing my name correctly sounds like rubbing styrofoam against styrofoam. < 1333645429 914036 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html is this me? < 1333645441 825607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your father gave you a name he hates? < 1333645445 875066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1333645456 446501 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember that at all :D < 1333645456 712286 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you my father? < 1333645490 645291 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously i've been sleep proving or something < 1333645493 45529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's _somewhat_ unlikely based only on name resemblance < 1333645518 614594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, transliterating to and from hebrew can do weird things < 1333645580 998621 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely. < 1333645595 377967 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know "John" is derived from a name that has the same letter as the "ch" in my name? < 1333645621 316033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like yochanan, yes < 1333645651 813139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remember that from our baby names book < 1333645652 959292 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "ร˜rjan" mean, anyway? < 1333645655 672660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1333645676 955712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you believe it's the same as "George"? :P < 1333645690 810171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus meaning "farmer") < 1333645783 843837 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :George is my middle name < 1333645785 430888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After my great-grandfather, who's middle name was Elliott < 1333645786 490276 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whose < 1333645793 549182 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i google "oklopol" and marvel at my genius for hours < 1333645795 315776 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this bad < 1333645801 177537 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1333645843 453719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what happens if you google "oklofok" instead? < 1333645869 186593 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does "(" have a value? < 1333645899 572156 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If not, why does "2+( 5*3)" have a value? < 1333645902 63301 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not much. < 1333645910 228909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1333645912 122412 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least that one isn't also used by a set of idiots < 1333645921 133082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1333645930 308597 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is used by a few others, based on google < 1333645942 134236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a racehorse called "Lady Taneb" < 1333646003 638204 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh, so you're yrj๖ in finnish < 1333646027 366109 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna start calling you that < 1333646042 493678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyk < 1333646049 372027 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means vomit < 1333646049 984078 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi yrjรถ < 1333646060 192957 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. :-( < 1333646067 829682 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go back to ร˜rjan. < 1333646072 173339 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably not as common nowadays < 1333646079 673580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say. < 1333646114 860463 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ร˜rjฬทan < 1333646127 321444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it could have been worse, i could have been named Bent, Odd, Even, Odd-Even, < 1333646132 599258 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ร˜ฬทrฬทjฬทaฬทn < 1333646144 67138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i could have been able to not hit return accidentally < 1333646181 817301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Odd-Even is an _entirely_ plausible norwegian name.) < 1333646198 419545 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ร˜ฬทฬทrฬทjฬทaฬทn < 1333646201 437377 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1333646214 285406 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5Hmm. < 1333646222 321132 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd-even :O < 1333646234 134660 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck that's be awesome < 1333646243 940750 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :H5ฬทello. < 1333646245 629287 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1333646254 202418 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make a combining character a different colour? < 1333646254 362825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333646279 147254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("By the way, Odd Even is the name all computer nerds joke that they'll name their child.") < 1333646308 878945 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you joke that you'll name your child that? < 1333646340 304280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the quote may not be entirely true. < 1333646357 50894 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gasps. < 1333646358 836747 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, have joked about calling my child Telemachus < 1333646372 29357 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, have jokes about calling my child elliott. < 1333646377 936878 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is secretly elliott's father. < 1333646420 530087 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make Knuth check his email faster. :-( < 1333646474 831787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan to translate my name into Latin is failing... < 1333646515 996022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translating it via Hebrew gives "dedit" < 1333646528 356433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, that's a verb < 1333646560 897190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nathanius georgius aculeanus < 1333646661 104866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you want to see something awful? < 1333646666 409876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Monad < 1333646669 106485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awkward with hebrew names, sometimes they're meanings are verb phrases < 1333646671 631136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1333646672 458589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the worst page on the HaskellWiki. < 1333646680 738682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOLD ITALICS EVERYWHERE < 1333646720 982327 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's your problem with separating the composition timeline from the execution timeline? < 1333646729 972332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it used to be fine: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Monad&oldid=33391 < 1333646739 647110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a certain WillNess messed it up over the course of several years: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Monad&action=history < 1333646772 17164 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who *is* this WillNess person? < 1333646793 382464 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333646794 236082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's just the perfect opportunity to use the edit summary "cleaning up the wilderness" < 1333646825 620539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes mean < 1333646878 97161 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wow, that "composition timeline" thing came up right in their first edit. < 1333646883 303095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ohhh, now I remember who that is. < 1333646892 668837 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I hadn't heard "Monads as science-fiction plots" before. < 1333646894 8275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the guy who asked that really ridiculous Haskell question on SO. < 1333646895 497172 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it makes sense. < 1333646910 121555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9149183/tail-optimization-guarantee-loop-encoding-in-haskell < 1333646913 846335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real fun is in the comments. < 1333646991 514416 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1333647058 974606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333647126 470690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm maybe a better translation of van Doorn would be Jovianus < 1333647139 257721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the town etymology < 1333647311 436046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you ruthlessly kill anyone who argues definitions with someone trying to teach them the definition they're arguing about? < 1333647312 522551 :cheater_!~cheater@p4FD0E4B9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1333647321 652433 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1333647329 927724 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Then Monads serve to separate the pure from the pure in one big holiday celebration after another." < 1333647383 715627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that may be difficult < 1333647425 560717 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if YOU'RE MISLEADING? < 1333647452 866956 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott "Miss Leading" HIRD < 1333647456 677198 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1333647661 663947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333647821 776670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: finally got to looking it up, it's right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenable_group#Non-examples < 1333647908 296141 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy shit < 1333647918 331674 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333647972 188112 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.104 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333648500 491166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What do you mean "shock"? < 1333648536 403068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, um, well, you see < 1333648542 698233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shyffles feet < 1333648562 787275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, this, you know, this channel, people, you know, are sort of, you know < 1333648568 751805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS < 1333648633 381090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifyouknowwhatimean. < 1333648652 984367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not really my fault, I was sort of not the person with the initiative. < 1333648656 481905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . N Dog Training: How it worksโ€Ž; 16:53 . . (+1,151) . . Jacksmithan (Talk | contribs | block)โ€Ž (Created page with "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_training Dog training] is the process of teaching a dog to perform behaviors in response to certain commands. The most common behaviors are "...") < 1333648661 153903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally! I can find out Dog Training: How it works. < 1333648688 947892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you realize that's a _very_ plausible esolang name < 1333648750 392622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the quoted snipped starts out like an esolang description. I mean, "behaviors in response to certain commands" and so on. < 1333648751 380345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be a hybrid of Chef, Zombie, Hunter, Homespring and Snack. < 1333648794 437771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's some redundancy there. < 1333648812 545866 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1333648831 937896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hm maybe we should use that as basis < 1333648841 513506 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget LOGO. < 1333648845 285982 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely has some LOGO. < 1333648848 389936 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just s/turtle/dog/ < 1333648859 18442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. and Karel the Robot. < 1333649085 878732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: hรคivyn < 1333649165 34691 :augur!~augur@206.196.171.205 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333649343 474810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/128320/problem-for-run-applet-using-html < 1333649488 455765 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I so don't want to read that. < 1333649528 534762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick < 1333649530 269377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be deleted soon < 1333649544 186576 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333649568 881005 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks basically just like a generic "I'm incompetent and secondarily too incompetent to know where to complain about being incompetent" < 1333649588 498852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the formatting! The formatting! < 1333649634 257407 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 QUIT :Client Quit < 1333649640 375352 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333649722 779297 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 NICK :david_werecat < 1333649746 661505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does stackoverflow have preview, i forget < 1333649794 11274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333649824 986143 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333649839 715857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then i shall not put them on my list of sites to utterly destroy when become world dictator. well not for that reason, anyway. < 1333649846 129530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1333649952 764719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're ok with destroying sites but not people? < 1333650077 550785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the owners of wordpress _might_ want to hide early. < 1333650267 243064 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333650549 439029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why is 1.19 not out yet. < 1333650572 815473 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could one of you give me a couple of thousand euros < 1333650666 758777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm btw i just looked at the hello world list, in my browser those table of content links that are before stars in the 2L program are unclickable. < 1333650678 813809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :three different institutions have apparently decided that i don't need money to stay alive. < 1333650697 174415 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes < 1333650697 523138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have already spent one day this month working around bugs in your out-of-date browser. < 1333650708 489395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really want me to spend another? < 1333650731 768316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well does it look ok in yours, at a window size too small to fit them side by side? < 1333650778 799423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you mean a window size so small that the stars overlap the TOC? < 1333650790 125589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. my usual size btw. < 1333650841 250371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a little narrower than full screen anyway... < 1333650889 419151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, i will fix it. can i convince you to not complain if i put pre { overflow-y: scroll } in the site CSS in return? the page has sprouted a horizontal scrollbar again. < 1333650906 315405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1333650941 273239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a serious question < 1333650988 409745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. there was one problem i saw with that the other day... < 1333651199 573257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird ok < 1333651199 785826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, don't you mean overflow-x:scroll < 1333651200 716362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1333651202 725710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nick isn't ehird. < 1333651204 614435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Er, maybe. < 1333651208 701068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mix up my coordinates. < 1333651237 511698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1333651255 35985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #haskell Banlist: Sat Jan 21 19:19:41 *!*Libster@*.bltmmd.east.verizon.net lindbohm.freenode.net < 1333651255 938720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1333651275 791315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1333651276 195755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1333651341 106976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch, sorry that's horrible, it would put a scrollbar on _all_ pre's, regardless if needed. < 1333651361 802282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok i mean pre { overflow-y: auto } < 1333651364 136468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, stop nitpicking < 1333651385 417774 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1333651429 449294 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1333651447 766335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just that i saw the other day that http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List had useless scrollbars like that < 1333651504 726588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i cannot be held responsible for other people's crimes against formatting :P < 1333651526 732836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ideally_, I'd just have every line wrap, and have an indicator when lines wrap (like an indentation of the line and an arrow next to it) < 1333651530 829849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd require a small mediawiki extension < 1333651541 888439 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-233-217.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1333651544 9274 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-244-251.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1333651614 726256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's because he used _both_ word-wrap:break-word and overflow-x:scroll, i'll try removing the latter. < 1333651687 153004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm < 1333651691 490589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you really think touching that page is wise < 1333651729 288030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* glguy removes ban on *!*Libster@*.bltmmd.east.verizon.net < 1333651729 874341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1333651739 992205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #haskell Banlist: Sat Jan 21 19:19:41 *!*mathnerd3@*.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net lindbohm.freenode.net < 1333651741 318359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1333651742 106496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh hm. < 1333651753 754158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok feel free to rollback if you want :P < 1333652474 123972 :augur!~augur@206.196.171.205 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333652969 487339 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333653782 851339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: < 1333653783 270581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Absolutely newbie. I have the following list: pixels = [[255, 255, 255], [0, 0, 0]], but pixels !! 0 seems to return a double < 1333653783 431611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Actually a list of three Doubles) < 1333653830 358107 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333653897 233663 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1333654318 5354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10026205/to-sample-a-voice-from-many-voices-using-matlab < 1333654321 882536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a wave file of chicken voices. Among the voices there is a sound of chicken vomit. < 1333654322 43587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've already convert the audio to Matlab plot, but don't have the idea on how to differentiate between the surround chicken voices and the vomit chicken. < 1333654356 448708 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1333654434 358841 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1333654484 222175 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333654832 484365 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333654855 343339 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SliTaz GNU/Linux runs great on Thinkpad T20 until it starts to swap to disk... < 1333655053 610216 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1333655573 294214 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.129.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333655678 16579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1333655680 106834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1333655710 898586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1333655735 341815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333655751 771780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1333655769 797134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1333655839 848809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee >test < 1333655842 676822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1333655930 307947 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1333655930 468720 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thank you for your helpful contribution. < 1333655934 225627 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted. < 1333655952 37190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: that actually helped me... < 1333655972 851295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1333656157 801143 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.129.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333656258 700223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: but i don't like that kind of experience :( < 1333656326 212523 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortunr < 1333656328 989559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :โ€‹/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fortunr: not found < 1333656336 489962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ofortuna < 1333656337 79227 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1333656339 340801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :โ€‹/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ofortuna: not found < 1333656353 820115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peak District <--> Is pickled tart \ -- anagrama < 1333656443 548033 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.129.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1333656511 979987 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'fortune; echo hel' > lbl < 1333656514 531909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1333656557 572890 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where hel `run sh lbl < 1333656557 919474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about hel. < 1333656575 296155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't start another identical botloop... < 1333656582 533477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw do rollbacks hide edits from (default) recent changes or not? < 1333656584 616358 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ hel `run sh lbl < 1333656585 81190 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1333656588 713389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they don't < 1333656592 445788 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh lbl < 1333656595 654240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lay my head on the railroad tracks, \ Waitin' for the double E. \ The railroad don't run no more. \ Poor poor pitiful me....[chorus] \.Poor poor pitiful me, poor poor pitiful me. \.These young girls won't let me be, \.Lord have mercy on me! \.Woe is me! \ \ Well, I met a girl, West Hollywood, \ Well, I ain't naming names. \ But she really worked me over good, \ She was just like < 1333656597 210626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see my rollback of NSQX's edit to [[User:elliott]] in recentchanges < 1333656599 440824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pervious edit before < 1333656613 137772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they don't normally, there's a hidden URL param you can use to make them hide the edit, though < 1333656624 609539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?bot=1 on a contributions page will change the rollback links on that page to hide the edit < 1333656624 770450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1333656630 777569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, they don't? < 1333656633 890407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are sysops different? < 1333656650 512641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . m User:Elliottโ€Ž; 01:37 . . (+17) . . Ehird (Talk | contribs)โ€Ž (Reverted edits by 202.156.14.101 (talk) to last revision by Elliott) < 1333656650 673111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Block log); 01:37 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs)โ€Ž changed block settings for NSQX (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled) (block evasion) < 1333656650 673309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Block log); 01:36 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs)โ€Ž blocked 202.156.14.101 (Talk) with an expiry time of 1 week (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (block evasion) < 1333656650 673418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . User:Elliottโ€Ž; 01:36 . . (-17) . . 202.156.14.101 (Talk)โ€Ž (ZNT ELLIOTT LIEK EHIRD?) < 1333656654 245166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's while logged out. < 1333656676 733281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think bot rollback is accessible to anyone with rollback perms (which is not the same as undo perms, and which aren't given by default in the default config) < 1333656686 307737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a hidden feature, it's not mentioned in the interface anywhere < 1333656699 393274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people use the golden section search for steepest descent when (according to my calculation) randomized binary section search is about 1% faster and not significantly harder to implement? < 1333656720 122978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they don't [hide] normally, OK < 1333656782 383931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/rumlg/clearly_go_is_a_superior_weapon_if_the_goal_is_to/c48ttru < 1333656852 339240 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if Conservapedia covers EPR stuff < 1333656891 784872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent poop receptor < 1333656993 386286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservapedia considers the european pressurized reactor a sure sign of the Beast. < 1333657034 836774 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh $DEITY no. We are going to get Fox tv here on Finland < 1333657036 129640 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1333657048 968367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only mental link i get for EPR is einstein-podolsky-rosen < 1333657058 22183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the european platform for rehabilitation is even worse, being socialist healthcare. < 1333657058 939360 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, that's what I meant, I think < 1333657081 859362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :977 to go! < 1333657082 387183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott gets toilets and oerjan does google searches < 1333657085 5778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333657092 480391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover hows america < 1333657101 889852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im annapolis < 1333657102 336138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1333657117 752428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maryland is okay < 1333657124 376934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :say hi to doodle for me while you're there < 1333657151 235273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't understand _anything_ of electron paramagnetic resonance, so that's obviously evil. < 1333657209 33688 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1333657219 205993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can guess what they think of ecological planning and research. < 1333657298 9661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1333657306 86548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has gone insane < 1333657306 409172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1333657332 994801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's obviously part of the global warming conspiracy < 1333657337 226864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :heads tails heads? < 1333657351 968656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1333657354 96071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am doodle < 1333657412 500019 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how I regularly get highlights from the channel because people ask about Finnish people here :) < 1333657438 534557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: It's your fault for being so Finnish! < 1333657443 365321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in Helsinki, right? We were doing statistics. < 1333657478 332694 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just a friend of mine in the annapolis area < 1333657520 258372 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite so. Although it doesn't make much difference which municipality you're in if it's the capital area < 1333657541 623540 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's basically same town, whether it's Helsinki, Espoo or Vantaa < 1333657562 684717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Well, we're just picking the biggest Helsinki possible, because you need all the help you can get to surpass Hexham's esolang density. < 1333657565 670982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esolanger < 1333657601 124213 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is Hexham? < 1333657608 166706 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe i should just google < 1333657609 246270 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1333657615 283391 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: arent you at purdue? < 1333657627 52194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: It's a small-ish market town in the UK. There are two people in this channel from there. < 1333657632 698604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is me; the other is Taneb/Ngevd. < 1333657640 796223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The probability of this is incomprehensibly small. < 1333657648 296736 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Eeyup. < 1333657678 308389 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1333657692 602796 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure the Finnish capital area will surpass you < 1333657702 76923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: You'd need over 100 esolangers. < 1333657719 745291 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so we're talking about comparative density here? < 1333657730 710708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.02% of Hexhamers are esolangers (going by 2001 population data, so probably a bit less) < 1333657746 361830 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1333657765 991682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need 104.18 esolangers in Helsinki-the-city to beat us. < 1333657770 378884 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll more to Inari with some other esolanger so we'll have better statistics there < 1333657787 513009 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've got really low-population municipalities in Finland :) < 1333657801 174146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am not sure expanding helsinki beyond the university-dense area is likely to help < 1333657804 40219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but if there's somewhere else in Finland with more esolangers, you don't even enter the competition ;) < 1333657808 862317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good point. < 1333657827 52600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: I have just realised that American houses are like normal houses pushed down a floor. < 1333657861 324453 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Helsinki University of Technology is actually in Espoo, and they have some esolangers there. < 1333657863 296194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I < 1333657875 544397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Is that the one that's not Wave? < 1333657882 593392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all have basements for some reason. < 1333657904 417524 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... what are you referring to? < 1333657910 951540 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand < 1333657920 224815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't fathom why, seeing as AFAICT they fulfil the same function as a second floor but with the added benefits of being dank, lightless and prone to flooding. < 1333657947 457764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Aalto. < 1333657953 20671 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. :) < 1333657959 194617 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1333657961 380091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: I call it Wave University since fizzie was all "oh, they're renaming our university to Wave" one day. < 1333657970 577666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a marginally more ridiculous name than Aalto. < 1333657985 682504 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUT was renamed to Aalto when they merged with some other higher education institutes < 1333657988 650341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tornados maybe? < 1333657999 446800 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aalto is because of Alvar Aalto < 1333658001 444615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it somehow. < 1333658008 27843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: oh, so it's the one that _is_ aalto? < 1333658012 736504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of many tornadoes in Maryland. < 1333658017 273940 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why he was the one to be named after... < 1333658019 261520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does HUT not stand for Helsinki University of Technology... < 1333658029 273627 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, they're the same < 1333658031 458864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and where does that TKK thing come into this?! your universities are really confusing :) < 1333658041 96949 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUT and TKK also mean the same < 1333658050 556015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one university, three names < 1333658055 39821 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TKK is Finnish acronym whereas HUT is the English one < 1333658111 517840 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, the art school has two acronyms, UIAH and TAIK (but they got merged into Aalto) < 1333658155 177463 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sincerely, what I keep wondering about is why all Finnish universities want English acronyms in addition to having Finnish ones. < 1333658187 80101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make people think they have twice as many universities < 1333658198 332201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the most devious plot ever < 1333658243 163449 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we mostly just use the english one < 1333658335 684152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is going to turn off IRC to get something done. < 1333658523 345021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1333658532 503192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Larva' is Latin for 'ghost'. < 1333658541 401672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they knew something < 1333658542 343499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't < 1333658545 234674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat^2 < 1333658555 435268 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found over 500 euros in a plastic bag < 1333658572 33554 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have really many universities anyway, compared to the population, because at some point the state wanted to give support to rural areas by dispersing all kinds of institutions all around the country < 1333658572 858207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found a plastic bag in over 500 euros < 1333658576 801075 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been throwing money in there for some time, apparently quite a bit :D < 1333658584 674730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oklopol broke or sth < 1333658587 567855 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1333658592 930347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this because you bought that computer < 1333658601 162165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: check out lemur okthxbye < 1333658627 103539 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was supposed to get a 1200 grant, plus 300 extra, 1000 award money, and 3000 salary < 1333658630 987973 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got 2000 salary. < 1333658656 402192 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the rest is coming this month < 1333658661 523284 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps never < 1333658668 609929 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, the 500 may help. < 1333658677 787434 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't count all of it, probably there's at least 100 more < 1333658685 21124 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i do have more bags somewhere in there < 1333658699 249181 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can always rob my neighbors < 1333658741 980231 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the computer was before i started a savings account which i won't touch for 10 years and where i put all my moneys < 1333658750 715432 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have moneys back then. < 1333658763 597783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you're feeling ok < 1333658764 671984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like < 1333658765 684623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being < 1333658767 97240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"responsible" < 1333658784 109390 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i also just spent 600 on train tickets i have no use for < 1333658789 757135 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i bought a guitar < 1333658810 82374 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also today i returned like 70 euros worth of bottles < 1333658828 827809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had lined our university office with them < 1333658834 894178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: btw trondheim's university (NTNU)'s official name in english is norwegian university of science and technology. it is told that it originally was supposed to be "technology and science" until someone noticed a small detail... < 1333658836 622760 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the walls < 1333658855 734906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they must have been nuts < 1333658860 128733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAAAAAAAA < 1333658860 511413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAAAAAAAA < 1333658870 384903 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1333658880 600106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333658891 676809 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's something like 150 liters or something) < 1333658902 682255 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, I left this open < 1333658903 523578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts elliott on the list of people who spoil jokes. < 1333658915 559960 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finnish people < 1333658926 983413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fallout 1 for free. http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout < 1333658932 339087 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you to take 6 trips between kuopio and turku < 1333658988 599484 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "kuopio" you mean "cairo" and by "turku" you mean "turkmenistan" < 1333659004 206315 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need that? < 1333659012 496988 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1333659019 226226 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you aren't finnish < 1333659028 62523 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably sell them on the internets or something < 1333659036 355726 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu you can't return them < 1333659098 219064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also you aren't finnish <-- he's just translating to equivalent british empire terms < 1333659235 593125 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I promise I'll mark my hurts and my heals from now on! < 1333659265 426152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1333659473 718187 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT MOAR MONEYS < 1333659506 952599 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't i be one of those people that win all the lotteries < 1333659510 223094 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accuses oerjan of being legal, winning, and not fun < 1333659524 595594 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333659549 60797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but i'm not a player! < 1333659557 856540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles madly < 1333659592 913915 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOPL should be an esolang < 1333659601 4867 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, described on the esolang wiki < 1333659619 879486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure he gets Sgeo's references here < 1333659627 553835 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/frc/index.html < 1333659659 688566 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a fan of reading this stuff in 2003 < 1333659684 899137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1333659938 783930 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.226 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333660073 94981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can two people upvote me plz thanks < 1333660073 941320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't) < 1333660074 518940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333660075 454534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 22:07:48 < 1333660081 105157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++? < 1333660086 220076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not an upvote? < 1333660092 438325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1333660098 286433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so 3 hours to get two upvotes, easy < 1333660112 56975 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can think positive thought about you if that helps? < 1333660114 701092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're trying to hit SO karma cap? < 1333660117 704402 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoughts < 1333660156 424430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, statistic just in: Chrome has a higher market share than IE on Sundays < 1333660170 202305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not the cap, just 200 < 1333660178 447941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 a day keeps the doctor away, they say < 1333660194 808723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i only average 167 :'( < 1333660579 858293 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88BC9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333660722 466070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've given up trying to cap it every day, then? good, I think < 1333660811 377182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, 200 is the cap < 1333660820 155409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can reach 200 without reaching the cap < 1333660828 926967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1333660899 642702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little rusty on Haskell, but iirc, the ++ syntax is memory-expensive, where as the cons operator (:) is cheap. Is it possible to use something like (key, x) : parseToEntries xs? Again . . . my Haskell is very rusty, so this might be way off. โ€“ jpm 3 mins ago < 1333661088 303496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: accepts don't count to cap < 1333661094 742974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*towards the < 1333661103 53761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1333661108 969626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, actually < 1333661151 613094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? :) < 1333661170 732183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no user by the name "Ehird". Usernames are case sensitive. Check your spelling, or create a new account. < 1333661172 96146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oh dear < 1333661176 732013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "ehird"? < 1333661187 728441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my test wiki user somehow got renamed to "ehird" when i tried to add the lowercase username thing < 1333661199 546551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to poke at the DB... < 1333661271 895334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hoping to get the Math extension working w/o texvc < 1333661405 557839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works < 1333661438 407398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's a WP article with lots of LaTeX? < 1333661455 331358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm, [[rotation matrix]]? < 1333661464 162485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thinking of one I came across recently (pointing my students to it) < 1333661470 720099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, that looks like a good test case < 1333661517 906176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, what a good bug < 1333661537 24895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki escapes the & inside the math tag < 1333661539 191487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning it into & < 1333661546 426910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all aligned stuff gets amp; after it with MathJax < 1333661589 445167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha indeed < 1333661629 277418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess MediaWiki's MathJax support isn't ready for prime-time, then < 1333662050 663986 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polls show that < 1333662056 134956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polls show that indeed < 1333662105 885512 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polls show that over 20% of Americans say their main source of news is the Fox News Channel." < 1333662115 544141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more importantly, "polls show that < 1333662247 619964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333662248 516045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 22:44:01 < 1333662250 362392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1333662501 123494 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333662502 295386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for nortti is Fri Apr 06 00:50:02 UTC+3.00 2012 < 1333662514 468204 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1333662590 140707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you wake up! it is very dark. you are a graue. < 1333662599 148779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are likely to eat something. < 1333662609 487958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: almost works, but not really < 1333662672 878188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCUSE ME you just RUINED my PERFECT ZORK FANFICTION < 1333662740 272911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Look for 'orphan' revisions hooked to pages which don't exist < 1333662740 433703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * And 'childless' pages with no revisions. < 1333662740 433901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Then, kill the poor widows and orphans. < 1333662740 434055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Man this is depressing. < 1333662740 434165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Mediawiki maintanence script orphans.php < 1333662773 657450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, you even get that if you pass it --help < 1333662864 230253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*W < 1333662920 184521 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Loophole Could Allow Private Land Claims on Other Worlds" < 1333662923 528830 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aerican Empire? < 1333662939 487293 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333662960 412734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome parkkk < 1333662963 729877 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :parkkk: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1333662996 959899 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of a humorous book or article which employs an esoteric language as a vehicle to introduce its readers to computer science? < 1333663019 396771 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a la "Introduction to Computer Science through Brainfuck" < 1333663038 745573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, although it makes a lot of sense < 1333663046 293904 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to read it! < 1333663057 338912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're now legally obligated to write it. < 1333663058 536357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard rumours of a course that started teaching people Ook! as a first language < 1333663082 28437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Taught by monqy? < 1333663087 413807 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will, at some point, but presently I find myself unable to as I'm a beginning cs student < 1333663091 648694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know < 1333663111 865849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's... a joke... < 1333663126 699346 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1333663150 248889 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely, at least < 1333663274 424504 :parkkk!~philipp@141.30.241.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what topics would this book embrace? Help me list a few items so I can begin doing research < 1333663305 364359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I meant what I said to ais523 was a joke. < 1333663319 118441 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1333663411 387177 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1333663458 598798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1333663495 946830 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.232.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333663573 833045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1333663821 16899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333663821 914548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 23:10:14 < 1333663844 939945 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you planning on sleeping at a normal time? < 1333663851 49130 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1333663882 823851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forโ€” WHY IS DWARF FORTRESS' RELEASE CYCLE MOVING SO QUICKLY < 1333664086 508407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night. As if. < 1333664113 529774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Again? < 1333664121 277347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't be silly. < 1333664123 844168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at 34.07. < 1333664134 979484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 came out in February. < 1333664140 728475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Errythin' fast in 'Merica. < 1333664141 119780 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1333664148 958009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those aren't bugfixes; he's overhauled animal training and clothing. < 1333664187 864298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION โ†’ trying to wrestle Henry into running Multiwinia the only way he knows: brute force and inadequate knowledge of X. < 1333664204 623636 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.54.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1333664224 540623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Bet you break it. < 1333664227 876047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy your USbrick. < 1333664244 526587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1333664470 648007 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1333664580 272964 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333664638 133265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1333664655 602454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: don't try to computers. Ever. < 1333664661 686505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a moron. < 1333664724 623062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, it's not my fault I somehow bought a laptop with a GPU that seems to be moving backwards in time. < 1333664790 134304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the gpu is going forwards, it's you and the rest of the world that are going backwards < 1333664823 272447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't run Darwinia either. < 1333664829 917558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will... will it run Uplink. < 1333664842 605399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Correction, it does, but at ~1 FPS.) < 1333664875 300049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HWELP I FOUND MY PLIERS < 1333666087 24293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333666087 992598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Apr 5 23:48:00 < 1333666089 711757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :graaa < 1333666620 894662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/128340/visual-studio-zooming-and-help-with-web-browser < 1333666629 165587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Studio: Zooming, and help with web browser? < 1333666629 326720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :up vote < 1333666629 326911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-4 < 1333666629 327044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :down vote < 1333666629 327147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :favorite < 1333666630 169161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, How do I do zoom!!???? I've been trying 2 figure this out. < 1333666632 181280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how to make it so that when I go to another website, it shows the URL of every website I'm on, not just the URL I just typed in?????????????? For example, when I type "facebook.com", it leads me to Facebook. Then say I click on an ad. It goes to another website, but the URL textbox still says "facebook.com". I've been trying 2 figure this out help!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1333666637 206261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, I have 2010 Express. < 1333666677 711882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if visual studio actually can act as a web browser < 1333666685 400583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me, it's not an entirely useless feature for an IDE to haveโ€ฆ < 1333666707 953836 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least at one point, Word had a web browser < 1333666725 692747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can render HTML, although it can't do it /well/. < 1333666745 959901 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's MS, wouldn't it just use Trident? < 1333666764 320076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably? < 1333666782 16090 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE's renderer) < 1333666785 688373 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1333666789 522197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How do you know that? < 1333666818 414715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know those computing classes I did back in 2010? < 1333666819 382824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1333666822 783041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sitepoint.com/microsoft-drop-trident-from-internet-explorer/ < 1333666894 635339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1333666928 526863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have I mentioned that I hold a grudge against chess players worldwide. < 1333666937 939300 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pretends that elliott was not being sarcastic < 1333666951 31207 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used to play a little chess on occasion < 1333666961 860117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why. < 1333667005 78109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because they're dirty little sneaks. < 1333667012 856004 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is open source and has been in development far longer than any other engine." I don't believe the latter part is true of Lynx. < 1333667031 873705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dirty little sneaks who publish April Fools pranks on April 2nd. < 1333667034 491910 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are certainly older engines, although I'm not sure whether any of the current ones are older. Gecko might be. < 1333667044 778466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Uhhh... Gecko is not older than Lynx... < 1333667052 413121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, chess players? < 1333667057 624511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Gecko is circa 1997. < 1333667059 888290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1333667075 54405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8047, http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=8051 < 1333667141 288202 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, I was operating under the misconception that Gecko was actually derived from the original Netscape engine. < 1333667149 584717 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was developed for NS6. < 1333667155 720857 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I lie lie lie hyuk < 1333667175 696425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: You think they could have developed something as good as Mozilla out of Netscape 4? < 1333667182 51479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever *used* Netscape 4? < 1333667200 46416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the whole reason Netscape went to hell and went open-source is because they fucked themselves over rewriting everything from scratch. < 1333667209 419730 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't doubt their ability to throw away vast chunks :) < 1333667212 446494 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the rewrite that Joel Spolsky uses as an example of a bad idea < 1333667246 413245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the rewrite. < 1333667258 947998 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when, between what versions? 4 and 6? < 1333667266 581225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 and 5 (never happened). < 1333667271 124777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Became Mozilla instead. < 1333667278 861968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they used Mozilla to make 6. < 1333667321 754703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: "At least one more major revision of Netscape was expected to be released with the old layout engine before the switch." < 1333667325 187864 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I wasn't aware that Mozilla was a rewrite per se, I thought it was just a very significant overhaul. < 1333667331 205954 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exhaustively analysed all lines that follow after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 and came to some extraordinary conclusions." < 1333667334 383941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they fucked themselves over WITHOUT the immediate benefit. < 1333667343 257281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Well, I don't think the surrounding chrome was rewritten? < 1333667343 594897 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That in and of itself should be enough of a clue that it's a joke < 1333667344 806878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the engine was. < 1333667356 162051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It goes on to "explain" how it was done without actually checking them all. < 1333667374 722358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fairly plausibly-written apart from (a) the orders of magnitude being way off and (b) the Turing machines bit. < 1333667382 604746 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still need to write that text backend for WebKit some time. < 1333667390 480662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Right: "In October 1998, Netscape announced that its next browser would use Gecko (which was still called NGLayout at the time) rather than the old layout engine, requiring large parts of the application to be rewritten. While this decision was popular with web standards advocates, it was largely unpopular with Netscape developers, who were unhappy with the six months given for the rewrite.[7] It also meant that most of the work < 1333667390 641042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done for Netscape Communicator 5.0 (including development on the Mariner improvements to the old layout engine) had to be abandoned. Netscape 6, the first Netscape release to incorporate Gecko, was released in November 2000 (the name Netscape 5 was never used)." < 1333667399 690139 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I can wikipedia too ;) < 1333667400 681243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Mozilla probably wasn't a COMPLETE rewrite. < 1333667405 824845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1333667406 591005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1333667413 15509 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1333667416 156430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gecko also has limited support for some non-standard Internet Explorer features, such as the marquee element" < 1333667424 65458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you imagine if it *didn't*? < 1333667426 641130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be sin. < 1333667431 611601 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY MARQUEE < 1333667440 686918 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : was created as a joke, right? < 1333667464 501516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1333667464 829158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lou Montulli is credited as the inventor of the blink tag at Netscape, although he claims he only suggested the idea, without writing any actual code.[1] < 1333667464 989957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... At some point in the evening I mentioned that it was sad that Lynx was not going to be able to display many of the HTML extensions that we were proposing, I also pointed out that the only text style that Lynx could exploit given its environment was blinking text. We had a pretty good laugh at the thought of blinking text, and talked about blinking this and that and how absurd the whole thing would be. [...] Saturday morning rolled around and < 1333667465 228151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I headed into the office only to find what else but, blinking text. It was on the screen blinking in all its glory, and in the browser. How could this be, you might ask? It turns out that one of the engineers liked my idea so much that he left the bar sometime past midnight, returned to the office and implemented the blink tag overnight. He was still there in the morning and quite proud of it.[1] < 1333667470 335323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1333667509 162242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that means we can blame a non-standard, inaccessible, horrific HTML kludge on Lynx. < 1333667615 164175 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1333667651 735977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1333667652 725382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Apr 6 00:14:05 < 1333667657 45396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr < 1333667665 382010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it standard at any point, and unstandardised due to being so unpopular? or not? < 1333667685 584310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be in HTML5? < 1333667694 832034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1333667699 460602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : doesn't even work nowadays. < 1333667703 271607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKit doesn't support it. < 1333667726 338817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, however, still works. < 1333667728 375739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all its glory. < 1333667754 299333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As with the blink element, because the marquee tagged images or text are not always completely visible, it can make printing such webpages to a paper hard-copy an impossible and inefficient task where the specific printed pages where the messages on screen scroll or blink have to be printed multiple times to capture all the pieces of text that could be displayed at any one given moment in time." < 1333667763 963217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone has ever printed a page multiple times to get all the marquee. < 1333667786 773856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike its blinking counterpart, the marquee element has several attributes that can be used to control and adjust the appearance of the marquee." < 1333667790 546241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine with attributes. < 1333667797 131117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1333667818 342568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CSS properties are used to achieve the same effect as specified in the Marquee Module Level 3, which is in the call for implementations stage.[3]" < 1333667824 179098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-marquee/ < 1333667824 890800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1333667826 338373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THIS EXIST < 1333667849 81977 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :marquee is amazing < 1333667865 863425 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it exist < 1333667880 972246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but to sully it with CSS? < 1333668667 459423 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333668667 620416 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1333668802 297305 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1333669376 584408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, CSS marquees :) < 1333669714 408507 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marquee? < 1333669716 211091 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vomit* < 1333669727 599884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heretic < 1333669763 29905 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I internetted in the 90s! < 1333669771 765004 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the horrors that can bring! < 1333669881 492675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://olsner.se/marquee.php < 1333669887 516374 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad IRC doesnโ€™t have marquee. :-( < 1333669915 683685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: IRC is a marquee that scrolls upwards slowly < 1333669926 95971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1333669938 357067 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is a scrollable webpage. :-P < 1333669984 984108 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the marquee is the basis of everything good < 1333670154 630419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the morbidly curious, I also have marquee2, marquee3 and marquee4 that do slightly different things with marquees) < 1333670187 84746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: other people can't scroll your webpage < 1333670207 340692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: holy shit, that's art < 1333670266 902152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :marquee2 would be more fun if they alternated directions :) < 1333670331 529833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://olsner.se/marquee2.php?s=100 < 1333670381 777888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i want to see these in a fucking gallery