< 1333670586 328005 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got it done!
< 1333670600 452842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could css transform an iframe to make thumbnails of these in a gallery
< 1333670659 407294 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE88BC9.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333670979 297206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean one of those meatspace galleries?
< 1333671061 759953 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want theatrical adaptations of marquee.php and marquee2.php
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< 1333671184 27626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes a meatspace gallery
< 1333671186 156500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a net one works too
< 1333671200 424528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What was it?
< 1333671256 720910 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PART :#esoteric
< 1333671412 193787 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's it to you?
< 1333671499 396965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It.
< 1333671643 426486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe a virtual meatspace gallery then? I wonder how well webgl combines with iframes
< 1333671650 302071 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, followed an ad link for some reason to the "shocking" "discovery" that Kevin Bacon is related to his wife. They're TENTH cousins, once removed.
< 1333671655 818868 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to them, apparently, that's distressing.
< 1333671661 235316 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably because they're fucking idiots.
< 1333671845 2423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What *happened* to mmorrow, man?
< 1333671868 942935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: TENTH COUSINS?!?!?!?!?!
< 1333671874 862335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's practically fuckin' yer parents.
< 1333671925 496277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! I've just realized that Haskell is no good for working with functions!
< 1333671932 108194 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, family trees as cyclic graphs. :P
< 1333671976 817107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what should it be able to do that it can't?
< 1333672013 337891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing, that was one of my famous quoteless quotes
< 1333672020 266464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of this nonsense: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2012-April/100608.html
< 1333672179 813666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't appear to understand extensional equality
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< 1333672503 77120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333672504 29101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Apr  6 01:34:56
< 1333672621 732513 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I guess Lisp might be of this kind, but I'm not sure. In addition, I'm not a fan of parentheses."
< 1333672623 342873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffff
< 1333672626 394386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a stroke and dies
< 1333672659 315163 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking to buy a battleship BUT IT CAN'T BE GREY
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< 1333672699 978885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also, by "battleship" I mean "yacht"
< 1333672716 196984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought this battleship "Haskell" and it's all big and heavy and shit, it's really bad at battling
< 1333672716 357244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of yacht is a decommissioned battleship
< 1333672753 755655 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to paint crazy stripes on battleships to confuse rangefinding
< 1333672759 62573 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
< 1333672770 867307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fucking awesome
< 1333672830 695726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Dazzle-ships_in_Drydock_at_Liverpool.jpg awesome
< 1333672908 180197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Dazzle makeup, or "CV Dazzle" (computer vision dazzle), to hamper automatic computer detection and recognition of faces, has been mooted as a response to mass surveillance'
< 1333672957 486874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2219
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< 1333673128 727950 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what kind?
< 1333673136 412926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass
< 1333673188 283642 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
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< 1333673707 292141 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4fd6a.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1333673715 155853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people try and install yi
< 1333673728 453109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen people honestly think the best way to start writing haskell is to install yi to edit it with
< 1333673811 225492 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1333673825 824005 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :yi is?
< 1333673843 46209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: an editor written in haskell
< 1333673891 363310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which usually does not build
< 1333673913 866999 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they might have heard it's like xmonad
< 1333673919 231387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad is good software which works
< 1333673919 391315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i built yi once... once
< 1333673928 955951 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that using xmonad will help you start writing haskell
< 1333673929 911936 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also built yi once once
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< 1333674213 92118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i mean a lot of haskell beginners are True Believers who want to purge their life of everything non-Haskell
< 1333674238 803024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure i mean i'm not disbelieving you necessarily but i've never got that impression from anyone
< 1333674243 360570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the xmonad adoption a bit
< 1333674262 468418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same people usually talk about writing an operating system in Haskell, without necessarily understanding what an OS is
< 1333674307 877680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well i've never heard that :P
< 1333674333 348720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there were more people who _do_ know what an OS is who wanted to write them in functional languages
< 1333674334 849650 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the Linux kernel is 10 million lines of code evolved over 20 years but if we used haskell we could rewrite it in 5k lines in a month
< 1333674374 723086 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're extrapolating from typical beginner experiments -- prime number sieve, toy lisp, etc.
< 1333674375 46266 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if you also replace all hardware with a Reduceron.
< 1333674404 175040 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they assume the same expressiveness ratio applies to everything
< 1333674448 706905 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, most of the 10 MLoC in Linux is support for obscure devices and platforms
< 1333674462 780098 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and legacy cruft
< 1333674478 207231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of OSes -- can I get you to implement @ for me kmc
< 1333674495 461419 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't written in Haskell.
< 1333674498 84978 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is written in @
< 1333674501 952589 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1333674503 655353 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ takes 0 lines of code to write in @
< 1333674508 282141 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's written in @lang.
< 1333674509 424540 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you already have @
< 1333674518 510543 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-53.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Forth.
< 1333674522 286827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not written in Forth!
< 1333674543 722000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered using Forth as a low-level layer at one point, but I couldn't make it cohere with my requirements.
< 1333674555 796914 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cohere"?
< 1333674563 972051 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just say "there", you know.
< 1333674575 696560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kick shachaf
< 1333674592 207795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was actually funny
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< 1333674622 957300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter
< 1333674637 667561 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been funny, but it was also intherent. :-(
< 1333674655 298768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not a word.
< 1333674671 46565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: {{Block}}
< 1333674716 865987 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do?
< 1333674732 175498 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak mediawikese.
< 1333674735 952550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest this block by replying here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}}. You may also email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list instead, or submit a request for unblock to the Unblock Ticket Request System."
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< 1333675136 201800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a Haskell package for monoid-transformer; it has Reader and State, both of which are also applicative. I know all applicative can make monoid transformer. Is there any monoid transformer which cannot make applicative?
< 1333675215 835562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is no Writer transformer, although there certainly can be; it would be just the pair of monoids)
< 1333675379 60504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that package.
< 1333675385 201320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from the Henning.
< 1333675401 210305 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henning?
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< 1333675442 480544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henning Thielemann, the author, has a somewhat infamous style in which types are always named "T" and classes are always named "C", intended to be used qualified e.g. State.T, State.put, etc.
< 1333675458 456190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from being ugly, this leads to wonderful instance lists that look like:
< 1333675459 125588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C T
< 1333675459 540792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C T
< 1333675460 52850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C T
< 1333675460 460834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C T
< 1333675469 352573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Haddock doesn't disambiguate the names (apart from the link destinations).
< 1333675486 7941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they add commands to Haddock to deal with this?
< 1333675497 24136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he should just stop doing that.
< 1333675507 153460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if any command would be required; it can know when disambiguation is required automatically.
< 1333675516 537692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably it would be an improvement. But it wouldn't make the style any less awful.
< 1333675525 357008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1333675528 660691 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in isolation it's a fine style, but it's not what anyone else does, and the tools don't support it well
< 1333675560 307828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more common in M L
< 1333675562 755489 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML*
< 1333675579 549124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in ML because ML has a module system. We have a piece of cardboard.
< 1333675594 979622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also find it less distateful in ML because ".t" is a lot less ugly than ".T"...)
< 1333675713 66766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of them that they defined, are all the monoid transformer made from a applicative; so instead, can you make up a type:   newtype ApMonoid f t = ApMonoid (f t); instance (Applicative f, Monoid t) -> Monoid (ApMonoid f t) where { mempty = ApMonoid $ pure mempty; mappend (ApMonoid x) (ApMonoid y) = ApMonoid $ liftA2 mappend x y; };
< 1333675741 184125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean, that ML has a module system and we have cardboard?
< 1333675765 49473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML has a powerful module system with functors (not the same as CT/Haskell functors; they're higher-order modules)
< 1333675770 550361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's module system is... significantly less expressive
< 1333675834 57614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These blog posts show an example of how Haskell's module system is significantly more limiting:
< 1333675835 856689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/somewhat-failed-adventure-in-haskell.html
< 1333675837 825059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/abstraction-continues-i-got-several.html
< 1333675838 651958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/abstracting-on-suggested-solutions-i.html
< 1333675840 501541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://augustss.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/ocaml-code-again-im-posting-slight.html
< 1333675927 521576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Haskell's module system is much simpler
< 1333675933 665298 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't say it's bad
< 1333675936 143477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it works in ML because it's common, and so people know to make tools that understand it
< 1333675939 274125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good within the scope of what it tries to do
< 1333675943 430623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/admittedly/arguably/
< 1333675956 698747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell the module system is expected to carry less of the abstractive weight
< 1333675970 905925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is that you cannot hide or override class instances in Haskell; and I would like to have those features too
< 1333675994 343935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, type classes kind of suck
< 1333676008 473305 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's "type classes suck" and not "modules suck because they don't let us work around type classes sucking"
< 1333676095 322333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Larry Wall> We've also seen the rise of PHP, which takes the worse-is-better approach to dazzling new depths, as it were. By and large PHP seems to be making the same progression of mistakes as early Perl did, only slower.
< 1333676110 878876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, both hide/override class instances, and a kind for modules, are ideas for my new programming language (called Ibtlfmm currently; if you don't like that name, call it HELLwaPAIN or something else). There is the @ kind which is the kind of program modules, etc. This will solve it too, I think. As well as having macros, that also helps.
< 1333676251 322856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must ask: Who suggested the name HELLwaPAIN?
< 1333676270 730160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* bottle (bottle@95.209.60.115.bredband.tre.se) has joined #haskell
< 1333676270 890468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<bottle> Consider a mass-damper-spring system. I dont get how  the forces in each direction can be equal at any given moment. then how could it move? Like My''+by'+ky=F
< 1333676287 122394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Someone did, in #haskell channel.
< 1333676304 175713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Consider a mass-damper-spring system. I dont get how  the forces in each direction can be equal at any given moment. then how could it move? Like My''+by'+ky=F
< 1333676321 262946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, we should make up a channel or wiki or repository or whatever we can put all idea of everyone and discussion, to make a complete document.
< 1333676334 665665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333676353 417095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Consider a mass-damper-spring system. I dont get how  the forces in each direction can be equal at any given moment. then how could it move? Like My''+by'+ky=F
< 1333676355 763906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1333676884 693173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought elliott was trying to physics and I was sniggering until I read scrollback.
< 1333676920 48621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and now you're laughing out loud?
< 1333676930 375933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm confused.
< 1333676943 535166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too sleepy for differential equations (I hate differential equations).
< 1333677019 114371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Consider a mass-damper-spring system. I dont get how  the forces in each direction can be equal at any given moment. then how could it move? Like My''+by'+ky=F
< 1333677160 499177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1333677162 93082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1333677163 124060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's
< 1333677174 292501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a second-order homogeneous differential equation
< 1333677179 964977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my second least favourite kind
< 1333677201 200997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*second-order homogeneous linear
< 1333677241 851705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My least favourite is second-order nonhomogeneous. I really hate those.)
< 1333677352 109251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I had nonhomogeneous milk once.
< 1333677359 430060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it made me ill.
< 1333677372 753916 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Oleg wrote a paper about that.
< 1333677394 744044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, homogenisation doesn't have anything to do with safety, that's pasteurisation.
< 1333677398 734448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS MILK SO COMPLICATED
< 1333677451 742961 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix milk
< 1333677454 257662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (milk (mil...
< 1333677558 857643 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically, "programming language" is another word for "syntax".
< 1333677682 920206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Can you explain people whose attitude to new languages is "is this better than $LANG? Let me prod it incessantly in an attempt to rpove it's not"?
< 1333677697 40619 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kmc has a few words to say about that.
< 1333677708 621394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is some way I was think of, make up a typeclass with no instance, and it is defined in the main module of your program; that way the main module exports the implementation (which can include types) to the other module that uses it. Still that is not quite perfect
< 1333677767 974839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh god.
< 1333677935 84709 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "why don't we"
< 1333677951 916810 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means "explain to me in detail what each character of that thing does.
< 1333677959 336305 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1333678010 163656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Person data type now has two parameters. This might be bearable, but imagine a more complicated example where Ops contains 15 types. And every time you add a field with a new type to Person you have to update every single place in the program that mentions the Person type." But can't you use a type synonym?
< 1333678037 894141 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do type synonyms help?
< 1333678051 607204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is ^^^^ some kind of four-eyed monstrosity?
< 1333678068 495592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, because you need to keep the type parameters along
< 1333678074 146258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person a b c d e ... -> Person a b c d e ... -> ...
< 1333678111 522674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean like,  type Person = XPerson XString XDouble;
< 1333678128 897553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but the whole point is that you write code polymorphic in that...
< 1333678132 968661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has to use type variables.
< 1333678315 883425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no zero parameter type classes in Haskell, either.
< 1333678601 173732 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333678613 16252 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> WHY IS MILK SO COMPLICATED
< 1333678615 93883 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better question:
< 1333678618 393318 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is milk so disgusting?
< 1333678658 706294 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk inspired 100s of soy products
< 1333678681 456804 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of which are almost as disgusting as milk >_>
< 1333678690 817748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://teamsuperforest.org/superforest/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Picture-3.png
< 1333678696 267530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Ops x where { type XString_ x :: *; type XDouble_ x :: *; concatenate_ :: x -> XString_ x -> XString_ x -> XString_ x; xshow_ :: x -> XDouble_ x -> XString_ x; }; type XString = XString_ (); type XDouble = XDouble_ (); concatenate :: Ops () => XString -> XString -> XString; concatenate = concatenate_ (); xshow :: Ops () => XDouble -> XString; xshow = xshow_ ();
< 1333678701 358826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: *Why is milk so unfnarftastic?
< 1333678716 39810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: HELP
< 1333678720 421422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grass ---cow---> milk
< 1333678722 127239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Too much milk!!!
< 1333678726 38950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, that's better.
< 1333678742 988663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk <- cow -< grass
< 1333678756 692216 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want some quark with 10% fat 
< 1333678761 32667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk ---cow---> grass
< 1333678765 776863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forbidden reaction.
< 1333678774 288569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feed a cow milk and it'll poop grass.
< 1333678785 608407 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk ←cow⤙ grass
< 1333678797 33230 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "unfnarftastic"
< 1333678799 125826 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a new'n.
< 1333678973 940425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the code I specified work (if you define the instance only in the main module of the program)?
< 1333679015 223782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, but it means you cannot use more than one choice of types per program.
< 1333679029 295423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it significantly limits composability and reuse.
< 1333679042 932547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that there is that problem.
< 1333679109 336235 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People who say "ofc" are the devil.
< 1333679112 284018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they allowed you to hide instances in Haskell, you could do it in the other way too. They should make an extension which allows you to hide instances.
< 1333679147 383553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to make default instances which will have a lower priority than other instances.
< 1333679217 937394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ofc
< 1333679341 790134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be allowed in GHC to have an extension which you can define instances with priorities, and that local instances override imported instances, and that the new instance will be used in imported functions if and only if there are the constraint mentioning that instance in the type of the imported function that you are calling
< 1333679358 664459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* #haskell Banlist: Sat Jan 21 19:19:41 gio123!*@* lindbohm.freenode.net
< 1333679362 311157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why do I know the name gio123?
< 1333679388 694422 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he the one who keeps looking for confluence experts
< 1333679395 609796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then add zero-parameter type classes, and now you have it.
< 1333679436 921386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That rings a bell.
< 1333679440 199362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult would it be to implement these two things?
< 1333679458 902656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not a troll though, are they? I didn't realise #haskell ever actually banned unconstructive people.
< 1333679480 180923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall what happened
< 1333679487 854973 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gio123 got pretty rude some of the time.
< 1333679511 178872 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite #haskell question ever was
< 1333679515 648824 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ubuntu.freebsd
< 1333679516 170177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIXDAEMON-COOL says: how to uncompile make into java gcc 3.3 under ubuntu freebsd ??
< 1333679522 329223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1333679534 903191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after much prodding and language barrier, this person did in fact have a haskell question
< 1333679544 574065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a relative of "How do I patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?"
< 1333679568 878531 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1333679766 370239 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squectangles.
< 1333679781 368470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1333679814 449019 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.21 gigawat
< 1333679842 675776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have previously written about a proposal for instance disambiguation extension, but now I have a much simpler idea. * Instances defined in the current module override instances in imported modules. * Instances can have an optional priority, where higher priority instances override lower ones. * Overriding instances does not affect functions from imported modules unless the instance is mentioned in the constraint of the type signature of that function.
< 1333679878 454753 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Also, this post was an April Fools prank; the effect may or may not be real, and all citations are either irrelevant or fictional.) "
< 1333679886 324940 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now slightly humiliate
< 1333679887 268381 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1333679947 31282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of this much simpler and more consistent instance disambiguation proposal?
< 1333679995 338230 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333679996 172943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't know if associated types might mix this up.
< 1333680568 839280 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333680895 719594 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1333681573 686428 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333682597 884839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not quite reached 23rd experience level in the Dungeons&Dragons game yet.
< 1333682804 332761 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333682837 375684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most annoying thing about American culture in general: the Jew jokes.
< 1333682845 885791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so utterly baffling if you don't already know.
< 1333682856 89853 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a jew jokes
< 1333682945 704522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a general pop culture thing which has bemused me for ages, not any particular American trip thing.)
< 1333683012 728776 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee time to reinstall all my haskell packages with profiling
< 1333683099 178766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why did you install them without in the first place?
< 1333683136 80882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i foolishly installed some of my haskell system from debian
< 1333683162 8489 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Debian has -prof packages.
< 1333683173 865856 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1333683223 373428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ which ghc
< 1333683223 533369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/ghc/bin/ghc
< 1333683229 38315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION MORE FORWARD-THINKING THAN YOU
< 1333683233 985095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just disables profiling for now
< 1333683238 856315 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@carbon:~$ which ghc
< 1333683239 62805 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local/bin/ghc
< 1333683255 455013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WRONG PATH. MY PATH IS BETTER BECAUSE IT'S MY PATH
< 1333683269 87866 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking about life here?
< 1333683308 654704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1333683444 854260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ which ghc
< 1333683445 756372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ghc
< 1333683447 562484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win!
< 1333683463 324702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's losing
< 1333683469 253835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what gave kmc all the Problem
< 1333683476 908190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you don't even have 7.4!!!
< 1333683488 821646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like I use it very much anyway
< 1333683496 48058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ./ghc would be the losiest
< 1333683608 725202 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames some sort of Esme interpreter to ghc
< 1333683630 438991 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although an existing Esme interpreter would be a bit ...
< 1333683705 677724 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GHC 7.4 lets you work miracles.
< 1333683710 490292 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf@carbon:~$ ghci
< 1333683718 434389 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> data Miracle = Miracle
< 1333683718 604612 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> 
< 1333683723 415492 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED
< 1333683999 216156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How do you disable the startup messages?
< 1333684020 250287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that prompt is obnoxious
< 1333684026 925369 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott; Careful pasting.
< 1333684036 548618 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that answer is disappointing. :-(
< 1333684171 207241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the monad/comonad that has been called phantom/cophantom and by a few other names, can actually be used with any category that has final/initial objects.
< 1333684258 929239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how much of stats is just covering up arbitrary constants with someone's name.
< 1333684612 19539 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Most annoying thing about American culture in general: the Jew jokes. // wut
< 1333684638 29675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, the UK doesn't really have a significant Jewish presence in its culture.
< 1333684654 805332 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit.
< 1333684668 839275 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jewish presence" != "Jew jokes"
< 1333684674 223943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, the jokes in American media go completely over my head.
< 1333684717 518227 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy vey, don't get so verklempt.
< 1333684754 473751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't figure out whether Phantom_Hoover is talking about jokes originating from Jewish culture or stereotypical nonsense
< 1333684764 21071 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, neither can I.
< 1333684764 697737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1333684782 687322 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz jokes originating from Jewish culture are also known as the actually-funny jokes.
< 1333684808 652668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW what does "verklempt" mean and am I allowed to use it
< 1333684823 875684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the best-sounding word
< 1333684828 186141 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Roughly "distraught", and no, your nose is too small.
< 1333684843 914318 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite distraught ... more ... verklempt ...
< 1333684850 72331 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, emotional.
< 1333684862 205568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tired and emotional?
< 1333684867 410208 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely not tired.
< 1333684870 723971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoosh.
< 1333684878 574871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tired_and_emotional
< 1333684893 812103 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk
< 1333684903 600156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<RocketJSquirrel> 'cuz jokes originating from Jewish culture are also known as the actually-funny jokes.
< 1333684905 788428 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chiefly not Jewish euphemism"
< 1333684925 850491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even unfunny jokes are less baffling than things that look like jokes but make no sense to you.
< 1333684935 462684 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shit it's midnight I've gotta go to sleep BAHEE
< 1333684954 273738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell sleeps at midnight?????? RocketJSquirrel that's who.
< 1333685008 449645 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew.
< 1333685022 403945 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What do I do if I want to not turn out like RocketJSquirrel?
< 1333685030 722325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, first don't be a squirrel.
< 1333685036 306354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, don't sleep at midnight.
< 1333685052 166826 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*flying squirrel
< 1333685059 623595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait does RocketJSquirrel use the same american time as m
< 1333685062 623947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1333685065 518316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time Phantom_Hoover
< 1333685066 408804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Fri Apr  6 04:00:51
< 1333685067 241684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time RocketJSquirrel
< 1333685068 336179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for RocketJSquirrel is Fri Apr  6 00:03:53
< 1333685074 395615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU REALLY NEED TO FIX THAT CLAWK
< 1333685076 736179 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time shachaf
< 1333685080 26285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Thu Apr  5 21:04:02 2012
< 1333685083 283025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tachaf
< 1333685083 905177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1333685096 186349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1333685097 536662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333685104 264377 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HA HA!
< 1333685113 9736 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when you said that last time.
< 1333685132 842569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too!
< 1333685231 99771 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bless
< 1333685231 414234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1333685234 925588 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thankyou
< 1333685235 453386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome
< 1333685240 848878 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA, DUDE
< 1333685248 482768 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did it know
< 1333685856 340645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaaaa
< 1333686412 492855 :cheater__!~cheater@g229022041.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333686777 591144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's your blog thing about global variables to avoid that unsafePerformIO bug?
< 1333686804 882812 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it
< 1333686810 803486 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want link?
< 1333686814 476002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar
< 1333686820 341635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling is like, 10x more work than asking you
< 1333686823 651813 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WANT LINK FIVE DOLLAR
< 1333686827 758336 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2011/11/global-locking-through-stableptr.html
< 1333686848 376507 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: That reminds me, you owe me some dola.
< 1333686864 117774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Thanks.
< 1333686877 353277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just tortured innocent #haskell member with it after they asked about unsafePerformIO'd IORefs.
< 1333686880 975548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :God's work.
< 1333686907 252588 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God Swork.
< 1333686932 999323 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lals
< 1333686939 873390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'swounds
< 1333686944 812992 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sblood
< 1333686998 289326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you tortured them by telling them how to work around a nasty compiler bug?
< 1333687100 218618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes
< 1333687124 999609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they went from "I have to be careful with unsafePerformIO" to "I have to write unportable C code and use the FFI _and_ be careful wit unsafePerformIO"
< 1333687125 933622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with
< 1333687152 60499 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1333687159 289836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really a shocking bug
< 1333687164 600197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :given how common the unsafePerformIO global trick is
< 1333687304 444296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should sleep soon. I'll need it tomorrow.
< 1333687321 162783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1333687384 789651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A certain... esoteric matter relating to the timely evaporation of blockades.
< 1333687415 102878 :cheater__!~cheater@p4FD0FDF0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333687415 262911 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out for your chi enerchy
< 1333687419 245061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what elliott is talking about
< 1333687457 923549 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that about those books?
< 1333687543 304479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What books?
< 1333687732 397758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not used unsafePerformIO global trick; I have many alternative ways
< 1333687850 318250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I have is the Data.Extensible.Product module and that could be used to store global settings by using (StateT IO)
< 1333687880 656865 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can also store global settings by using (StateT ... IO) any other way.
< 1333687922 187987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes you can do so. However, if you have a bunch of different module with different global variables, it would be difficult to put them all together
< 1333687994 119657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be able to load/save the global states in files as well, then you can combine it with Data.Extensible.List as well.
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< 1333688675 286951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there are other uses for the Data.Extensible.... stuff too
< 1333688826 538456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the traverseBox in Graphics.DVI to use both Applicative and Monad, because I also changed the other thing so that after it accesses the contents of boxes and other nodes that can contain other nodes, the box itself (after it has been modified) is accessed too.
< 1333688962 693676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333688968 71876 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the unsafePerformIO global trick used that often? Can't some optimization and other stuff capable of mixing it up?
< 1333689327 917826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know any example of a monoid transformer which is not applicative?
< 1333690105 463273 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MSleep
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< 1333696346 347904 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1333697446 663693 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:11 -!- monqy [~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello]
< 1333697451 956973 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, monqy.
< 1333697455 369300 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1333697954 13201 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1333699451 801112 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .
< 1333702709 519711 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is dvi-processing better than HPDF?
< 1333702782 434382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In some ways, probably it is. But in other way, dvi-processing is not complete and lacks some things; later version might improve that.
< 1333702839 934299 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1333702847 411357 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main things I don't like about HPDF are:
< 1333702862 612440 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the overly complicated and stupid PDF stuff.
< 1333702867 457117 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inability to use any TFM font.
< 1333702882 457351 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inability to both read and write DVI files (HPDF writes only).
< 1333702914 32314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK.
< 1333702963 216169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things some people might not like about HPDF is the monadic interface; a declarative interface might be preferred. (Even the author of HPDF complained about this, actually)
< 1333702981 339864 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the monadic interface.
< 1333702988 918736 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a declarative interface.
< 1333703188 120914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the traverseBox function in dvi-processing is monadic but that is all. (I have only used it with the writer monad, but you can use it with other monads too, if you have a use for it)
< 1333703223 397206 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I use it with all monads at once?
< 1333703348 51588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suppose so, in case of polymorphic functions that use it.
< 1333703897 340924 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333705184 670962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333707109 475202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333708936 387589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> http://olsner.se/marquee.php <-- apparently marquee can crash IE 8.  who knew.
< 1333708997 780324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor oerjan and his browser
< 1333709008 601530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "crash", i had to kill the process, which seems to cause it to reload everything in a weird state
< 1333709116 611283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that page might also involve an infinite iframe recursion
< 1333709118 794275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened once before, it _looks_ like it makes tabs be distinct processes or something, which they usually aren't.
< 1333709148 394305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I crashed ie4 with an infinite frameset recursion once
< 1333709156 332160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more than once
< 1333709175 865971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes it started rolling and then halted, waiting indefinitely for everything to load, i stopped it at =hundredsomething but the cpu was still pegging
< 1333709190 496346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, <marquee><iframe src="marquee.php?s=1" height="100%"/></marquee>, the php script adds one to s for each frame
< 1333709210 734946 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid simplistic iframe recursion checks :)
< 1333709246 931720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why?
< 1333709275 174931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some browsers immediately abort if they see an iframe with the same url as an outer page
< 1333709277 838786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page is kind-of boring in my firefox, btw
< 1333709281 196014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not that
< 1333709288 25182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why were you trying to nest infinitely many iframes?
< 1333709291 151233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside marquees?
< 1333709308 12163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I not?
< 1333709335 867181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can't figure out what you'd be hoping to accomplish
< 1333709339 502015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than, apparently, crashing IE
< 1333709390 194504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do the other examples do infinite recursion?
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< 1333709443 187502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 
< 1333709444 215882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 
< 1333709444 971410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, all except marquee2
< 1333709445 132145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 
< 1333709445 729279 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about:<script>while(1){window.open(document.src);}</script>
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< 1333709463 951050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll risk trying marquee2 then
< 1333709483 425631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :about
< 1333709579 696028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that got nauseating around =4 or so :P
< 1333709756 345096 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits to see how often they get mispinged
< 1333709759 176819 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once so far :)
< 1333709847 293192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try 100, that's a better demonstration I think
< 1333709881 402026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: erm i fear that will just crash it again - it wasn't precisely _zippy_ at 5 either...
< 1333709908 92967 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they have trouble with marquees? :(
< 1333709976 966005 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be great would be a webpage that crashes every commonly used browser
< 1333709983 807130 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably with a different exploit for each
< 1333709992 861436 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work for long, though
< 1333710009 679760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew i tried =20 and i managed to close the tab normally - barely
< 1333710050 322771 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, two mispings
< 1333710053 323800 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both from the same person :)
< 1333710064 742230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these mispings you are talking about.
< 1333710072 770211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1333710089 794620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually wasn't thinking when he wrote that.
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< 1333710160 594880 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean it was accidental? from you, I'd have assumed it was deliberate every time
< 1333710174 457966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's about time
< 1333710248 261285 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting, nested marquees also cause opera to use a bit of cpu time... and the cpu usage depends on the number of *visible* marquees
< 1333710270 728305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: formulate all your sentences so the about is a part of them.
< 1333710292 820543 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that
< 1333710307 501473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_the_ about
< 1333710321 484627 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION what are you referring?
< 1333710333 892542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1333710336 903128 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, that's really twisted grammar
< 1333710337 999685 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously so
< 1333710375 265210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :the
< 1333710388 288363 :the!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION government is watching you!
< 1333710392 287530 :the!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1333710392 554121 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick-protected, I already checked with nickserv :)
< 1333710422 538493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get a protection warning...
< 1333710476 462713 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1333710479 368980 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did nickserv lie to me?
< 1333710483 290098 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it just go somewhere else?
< 1333710501 999126 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, "an" is Vorpal
< 1333710519 435403 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it even fits, being his initials
< 1333710584 694354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant i got no warning when /nick the
< 1333710603 826725 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1333710605 724338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it was obviously registered
< 1333710755 376251 :Cainogenos!~GlitchyGa@98.151.159.214 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333710785 47877 :Cainogenos!~GlitchyGa@98.151.159.214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1333710834 248942 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333710844 3932 :Cainogenos!~GlitchyGa@98.151.159.214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello about, how are you doing today?
< 1333710851 61820 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we put our welcome message back from the april fools' one yet?
< 1333710857 423120 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome about
< 1333710866 112932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :about: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333710871 946346 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we have, good
< 1333710874 295339 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Cainogenos
< 1333710878 572139 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cainogenos: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333710888 977808 :Cainogenos!~GlitchyGa@98.151.159.214 PART :#esoteric
< 1333710909 47763 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was weird
< 1333710911 727783 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that?
< 1333710980 487249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many people are looking for the other #esoteric, but are scared away by our welcome message before we can point them on
< 1333711026 193241 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half?
< 1333711054 885369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good prior that
< 1333711291 932505 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, it just started snowing, quite a lot too
< 1333711341 644919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snow here is taking a nap on the ground
< 1333711873 915119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333712044 849149 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1333712378 284874 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333714546 660198 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/k1RB5.jpg
< 1333714650 699777 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95D0D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333714903 453490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vintage jokes are best jokes.
< 1333715395 53368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> λ> data Miracle = Miracle
< 1333715410 938022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'dathought newtype Miracle = Miracle Miracle, more like
< 1333715437 229460 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333715539 976840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333715917 306437 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333716225 134404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:26: <lambdabot> Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Fri Apr  6 04:00:51
< 1333716225 295711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:27: <elliott> @time RocketJSquirrel
< 1333716225 295908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:28: <lambdabot> Local time for RocketJSquirrel is Fri Apr  6 00:03:53
< 1333716225 296022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:34: <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: YOU REALLY NEED TO FIX THAT CLAWK
< 1333716225 296129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:36: <shachaf> @time shachaf
< 1333716227 669089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:04:40: <lambdabot> Local time for shachaf is Thu Apr  5 21:04:02 2012
< 1333716268 905590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch time server use is not as widespread as i'd hoped.
< 1333716314 930438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333716318 272851 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Fri Apr  6 14:44:40 2012
< 1333716325 126366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333716326 74670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for olsner is Fri Apr  6 14:44:50
< 1333716343 919441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock is correct, according to my clock anyway
< 1333716472 116136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1333716496 351993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on further investigation, it's the codu logs which are off; the rest are reasonably synchronized with each other.
< 1333716522 281892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: ^
< 1333716545 322693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait no
< 1333716564 958309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover is also off, but by precisely one minute :P
< 1333716572 55765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1333716578 16660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three minutes?
< 1333716587 788222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1333717825 374519 :about!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1333717828 849287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, too many mispings
< 1333717942 859966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can bear being misped all the time
< 1333719041 622369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the nearby burger king i've never tried is supposedly open today
< 1333719108 935766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been outside the house since tuesday because of fever and then easter closure
< 1333719148 680430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*since monday
< 1333719199 477812 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333719533 409158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333719634 668856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333719711 215269 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333719816 410152 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!
< 1333720008 806411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333720056 935750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know where the Magma Hideout in Pokemon Emerald is?
< 1333720096 246468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if aqua and magma have separate hideouts, no
< 1333720101 923352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're in the same place in ruby and sapphire
< 1333720111 992060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know those, but not emerald
< 1333720127 446886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can look it up easily enough if you're desperate to know
< 1333720165 381320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jagged Pass
< 1333720188 709553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires the Magma Emblem in your inventory
< 1333720208 51581 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1333720214 455216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have acro bike, you can reach it going up from lavaridge; otherwise, you can reach it going down from Mt. Chimney
< 1333720296 182885 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it
< 1333720505 293031 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333720528 10846 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333720852 689334 :Frooxius!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1333720962 247170 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333721000 135635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ngevd: oh, the Master Ball's in there, probably you shouldn't leave until you find it
< 1333721013 783066 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1333721019 729819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no it isn't, that's in Ruby
< 1333721021 371103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Emerald
< 1333721047 71543 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks!
< 1333721047 990932 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1333721064 491551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, no master ball there for you, it must be somewhere else
< 1333721095 350231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aqua hideout in emerald :)
< 1333721184 107005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: ^
< 1333721190 565198 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see
< 1333721205 111980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure
< 1333721209 875766 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude
< 1333721283 138430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333721283 299149 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333721301 234387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333721859 9126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1333721920 327411 :cheater_!~cheater@p57AEB86E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333721941 805567 :cheater__!~cheater@p4FD0FDF0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1333723105 601223 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95D0D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333723293 691442 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye
< 1333723504 7044 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333723529 942975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1333723577 968686 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Esolang Town.
< 1333723775 859515 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm...
< 1333723782 286238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nah
< 1333723786 508511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind
< 1333723808 643207 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a joke since you have been playing pokemon lately
< 1333723833 896857 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i havent played pokemon since the blue one came out so i can't do any proper joke
< 1333724608 573829 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333724744 715734 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-149-223.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333724776 36207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-246-142.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1333724792 738412 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fd6a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1333725996 285957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333726001 441104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey shachaf.
< 1333727005 860949 :MoALTz_!~no@87.112.232.227 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333727138 850639 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.232.227 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1333727152 960997 :MoALTz_!~no@87.112.232.227 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333727209 514506 :MoALTz_!~no@87.112.232.227 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333727239 552173 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333727408 257302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333727446 214446 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333727564 518452 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1333728202 999722 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333728293 284014 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333728549 114619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hi! welcome to murder!
< 1333728568 392351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hello!
< 1333728610 283594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hi!
< 1333728617 869886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long is it until 1 am?
< 1333728648 115044 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just under 8 hours
< 1333728753 855487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :(
< 1333728817 311767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Can you slow time down?
< 1333728831 302259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only for myself
< 1333728860 139864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn.
< 1333728886 255855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Can you at least make people I don't like stop posting on reddit?
< 1333728906 591588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for that I think you need Phantom_Hoover
< 1333728970 864823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1333729088 713341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap the new Google Groups interface is bad.
< 1333729153 76908 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333729186 325964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Yoooo implement my language for me
< 1333729721 125664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:45:18: <oerjan> it happened once before, it _looks_ like it makes tabs be distinct processes or something, which they usually aren't.
< 1333729724 834284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan that's a feature
< 1333729724 994631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333729820 570090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:16:20: * oerjan wonders how many people are looking for the other #esoteric, but are scared away by our welcome message before we can point them on
< 1333729835 745088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan also i'm just going to reply in the logs from now on because @tell is too much typing
< 1333729835 905849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333729850 579564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lots i figure, but i don't feel the need to cater to anybody so impatient by putting it in the same message
< 1333729874 263350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they already get one strike against them for thinking a one-# channel on freenode would be about it; parting immediately is strikes 2 & 3
< 1333730515 931910 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, but I'll only implement it in JavaScript.
< 1333730523 896872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: But...
< 1333730531 315705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: It IS JavaScript!
< 1333730536 49432 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh at candyfab.org being down
< 1333730549 209771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If JavaScript was a statically-typed, functional systems programming language.
< 1333730553 487441 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metacircular interpreter?
< 1333730557 147194 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely.
< 1333730568 566529 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, I'll implement a compiler for it in JS.
< 1333730574 410624 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what one actually looks like, but know of it due to knowing a little about SICP
< 1333730587 308648 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: People will definitely appreciate opening their web browser to compile your code (no, it won't work in Node.js)
< 1333730617 641951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: What will it compile down to?
< 1333730625 282552 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also JavaScript.
< 1333730650 299769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: That's not funny. You should have said, e.g. "SPARC asm".
< 1333730668 857283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"68k code for the Macintosh"
< 1333730685 914803 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k code for A/UX.
< 1333730712 300755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1333730717 769842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :m68k code for OS X.
< 1333730720 652021 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Univac
< 1333730730 305609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works inside the Basilisk emulator.
< 1333730735 953483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only if it's running on an OS X host.
< 1333730779 24901 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to look for a UNIVAC emulator
< 1333730798 257810 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1333730850 778751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The person who asked the first SO question I ever answered wrote a Haskell tutorial!
< 1333730862 838918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess me answering someone's question makes them go from beginner to expert in three months.
< 1333730864 601738 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh.
< 1333730866 15751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, four.
< 1333730882 7572 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky to SO question?
< 1333730893 41173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8502201/remove-file-if-it-exists-in-haskell --> http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Haskell-the-Hard-Way/
< 1333730901 217265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn Haskell Fast and Hard
< 1333730901 391151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blow your mind with Haskell
< 1333730943 412765 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cookies contain marzipan.  Paradise ruined.
< 1333730951 528561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mainstream languages share the same foundations:
< 1333730951 689155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables
< 1333730951 689372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loops
< 1333730951 689486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers1
< 1333730951 689589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data structures, objects and classes (for most)"
< 1333730952 940574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Even if most recent languages try to hide them, they are present.↩
< 1333730974 685808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi whats sharing
< 1333730981 318993 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HLEP whats pointer
< 1333730992 982644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1333730993 333016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard Difficulty Part:
< 1333730993 493479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional style; an example from imperative to functional style
< 1333730993 493668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types; types and a standard binary tree example
< 1333730993 493772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite Structure; manipulate an infinite binary tree!
< 1333730993 493876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell Difficulty Part:
< 1333730995 497960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal with IO; A very minimal example
< 1333730997 263684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1333731000 268507 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pointign is rdue.
< 1333731009 856564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that basic IO in Haskell is HELL DIFFICULTY?
< 1333731022 896183 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Mainstream languages are usually abstract enough to hide things such as underlying GOTOs. Haskell has abstractions such that..."
< 1333731031 625110 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, not sure how to continue that
< 1333731040 97724 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell don't hide the gotos, man!
< 1333731065 176879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333731074 613730 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the way that i'm insulting an actual person's name by saying: H*ell
< 1333731080 74704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1333731147 721906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tutorial is unfortunately lacking in the kind of gross errors I like to see.
< 1333731149 669510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just boring.
< 1333731163 434470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Integer have no limit except the capacity of your machine:" OR DOES THEY??????
< 1333731187 906179 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a limit though ...
< 1333731191 249862 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integers have no limit beyond the capacity of your IMAGINATION
< 1333731215 319915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I thought that said "Int".
< 1333731223 477848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, Integer has no limit.
< 1333731225 740279 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *clap* *clap* *clap*
< 1333731237 660846 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't Integer on GHC use Int# internally?
< 1333731246 171406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking about Haskell.
< 1333731247 85051 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ... something to do with whatchamacallit
< 1333731255 490966 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Only for small numbers?
< 1333731257 478176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If gcc has a bug, it does not matter one bit about C.
< 1333731257 869710 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Integer
< 1333731258 358538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Integer = S# Int#
< 1333731258 519177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | J# Int# ByteArray#
< 1333731261 812323 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We got the point, though.
< 1333731267 9933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It stores the number of limbs as an Int#.
< 1333731275 482063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically gmp does.
< 1333731279 585912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that means GHC does too.
< 1333731284 329650 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean S#
< 1333731297 563569 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The point is: PEOPLE ARE ALL STUPID
< 1333731313 2353 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU WRITE A HASKELL TUTORIAL, YOU DESERVE elliott'S WRATH
< 1333731333 343124 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to the wonders of networking you never truely know how big the capacity of your distributed machine might be
< 1333731342 813381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note we can declare function with ' in their name. Here:
< 1333731342 992181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :square ⇔ square' ⇔ square'' ⇔ square '''"
< 1333731349 356120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
< 1333731352 459633 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi. my name is elliott, and ur stupid lol" -- elliott "u r dum" elliott
< 1333731357 502862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those strings are *clearly* nonequal!!!!!!!
< 1333731361 204470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one of them has a SPACE!!!!
< 1333731362 800000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: True.
< 1333731371 621761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: the if .. then .. else Haskell notation is more like the ¤?¤:¤ C operator. You cannot forget the else."
< 1333731377 490706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not true! I have almost assuredly forgotten the else before.
< 1333731388 279576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The hard part could now begins." Oooooooooooooooooooooh!
< 1333731419 415273 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a node on your distributed processing network which was added by a time traveller which has more capacity than all of the rest of the internet
< 1333731434 64459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recursion is generally perceived as slow in imperative language. But it is generally not the case in functional programming. Most of the time Haskell will handle recursive function efficiently." -- followed by a tail-recursive loop _without_ a strictness annotation that will blow the stack, foldl-style.
< 1333731443 326625 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking
< 1333731454 95522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1333731454 454172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :            if l == []
< 1333731454 619222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                then n
< 1333731454 779740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                else let x = head l 
< 1333731454 779912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         xs = tail l 
< 1333731465 267333 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what
< 1333731468 394416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, at least they rewrite it with pattern-matching afterwards. But it's still abominable.)
< 1333731475 454421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What?
< 1333731480 622602 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no in for that let
< 1333731494 27139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an excerpt.
< 1333731499 372002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you really want to know?
< 1333731501 347926 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok
< 1333731501 508174 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "See this red button right there? Instead of pressing it, you could press this much nicer-looking green button!"
< 1333731548 959602 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the green button is a political tool
< 1333731566 229471 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, plan on taking over the world with pattern-matching
< 1333731574 588613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of saying: foo l = if l == [] then <x> else <y> You simply state:
< 1333731574 767082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo [] =  <x>
< 1333731574 927256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo l  =  <y>"
< 1333731580 942812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT IF <x> CONTAINS l
< 1333731595 446187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Haskell you can simplify function definition by curry them. For example, instead of writing:
< 1333731595 607130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = (some expresion) x
< 1333731595 607316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can simply write
< 1333731595 607420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = some expression"
< 1333731602 774104 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally the humans still do 8 hour workdays regardless of which button you push
< 1333731626 248468 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the longer you hold off pushing the green button, the more the humans can adapt to their 8 hour days
< 1333731633 667824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But as Haskell is lazy, it doesn’t evaluate (f z x) and push this to the stack. This is why we generally use foldl' instead of foldl; foldl' is a strict version of foldl. If you don’t understand what lazy and strict means, don’t worry, just follow the code as if foldl and foldl' where identical."
< 1333731635 425792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real helpful.
< 1333731636 972210 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was happier before you made me less happierful. :-(
< 1333731647 493586 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tHANKS, eLLIOTT
< 1333731652 422587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how he introduces foldl before foldr.
< 1333731666 366249 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technological advancement is really an arms race against human relaxation
< 1333731674 336590 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: foldr isn't tail recursive!
< 1333731678 20924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr:
< 1333731678 218992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Name = AnotherType is just an alias and the compiler doesn’t do any difference between Name and AnotherType.
< 1333731678 219231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Name = NameConstructor AnotherType make a difference.
< 1333731678 219335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data can construct structures which can be recursives.
< 1333731678 219439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deriving is magic and create functions for you.
< 1333731680 2582 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta have tail recursion, man.
< 1333731686 708469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love to make a difference.
< 1333731710 213995 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333731722 409013 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Never write anything that elliott can read.
< 1333731725 848908 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever.
< 1333731728 606681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Generally, in Haskell:
< 1333731728 782687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :“if it compiles it certainly does what you intended”]]
< 1333731733 92763 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you read that one story?
< 1333731740 781855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best way to identify people who have never actually written a Haskell program that I know of.
< 1333731742 901509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which one?
< 1333731798 67756 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/Something_e.html
< 1333731806 630102 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S RIGHT
< 1333731814 353340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, and then he gives a Show instance for his binary tree type that doesn't produce syntactically-valid Haskell!
< 1333731816 132745 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEEP LIFE LESSON TAUGHT RIGHT NOW
< 1333731831 100497 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333731834 837695 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To be fair, you don't need to produce syntactically-valid Haskell.
< 1333731835 416169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tl;dr u mad
< 1333731840 1842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you do!
< 1333731841 456814 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333731843 163457 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often don't.
< 1333731843 355566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the precedence stuff breaks.
< 1333731845 826734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's awful.
< 1333731850 592876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you don't do it I hate you.
< 1333731863 124620 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net NICK :Taneb
< 1333731882 493600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, if you are a bit pedantic, you should state that Haskell is non-strict. Laziness is just a common implementation for non-strict languages."
< 1333731886 157926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, don't start being accurate now..
< 1333731887 747709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.
< 1333731912 511635 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I got into this great argument in another channel the other day.
< 1333731923 940997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on.
< 1333731929 10716 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone was asking: "Are Python generators a form of lazy evaluation?"
< 1333731945 265651 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that not really, etc., and talked about why and so on.
< 1333731961 826181 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a while, I realized that no one had ever said what "lazy evaluation" actually meant!
< 1333731973 555949 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were just arguing about words! It was a complete waste of time!
< 1333731976 536618 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that great?
< 1333731990 385949 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've caught it sooner, but even so.
< 1333732011 778077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that channel sucks.
< 1333732020 244966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best word arguments are in #haskell.
< 1333732033 492698 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, now, #haskell is full of arguments about words.
< 1333732035 779057 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I love arguments that revolve around the term exist being undefined. (not really)
< 1333732053 481569 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: The great part is that there are so many of these that you don't even notice.
< 1333732067 885739 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because *you* have a clear definition for the term, after all.
< 1333732072 944639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Exactly.
< 1333732076 449992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the best word arguments.
< 1333732118 858424 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start being like conal.
< 1333732124 262329 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What does it mean?"
< 1333732142 533763 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's being like Feynman.
< 1333732173 543633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be pretty depressing to hold the view that all arguments are either disagreements about definitions or irreconcilable value systems.
< 1333732175 867631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be accurate, though.
< 1333732178 130851 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill Clinton really did it the best
< 1333732317 519507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Were you there for that argument about whether IO is pure or not in #haskell?
< 1333732321 754621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was *such fun*.
< 1333732347 346175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was marginally better than most arguments about that because roconnor came up with a definition of purity.
< 1333732360 182226 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I once heard that there's a philosophical tradition in India where people say something along the lines of: "These are the axioms *I* believe in. What axioms do *you* believe in? OK, let's take the intersection of those and just use them, for the purpose of this argument."
< 1333732370 41569 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds way too reasonable to actually be true, though.
< 1333732379 702750 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if you look into india..
< 1333732395 768833 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had it all sorted
< 1333732425 301635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe the intersection of two axiomatic systems is going to produce anything useful unless they have a close common ancestor.
< 1333732425 749089 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333732438 550792 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333732486 38765 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern indians are such a strong stereotype that people are blinded to the truth of ancient india
< 1333732494 759403 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you're not etc
< 1333732504 109605 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was etc
< 1333732516 88847 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think most pairs of humans share some number of axioms.
< 1333732530 649622 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Certainly you'll agree that arguing about results derived from unshared axioms is pretty useless?
< 1333732567 238918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most humans have no clue about what their axioms are
< 1333732592 394582 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1333732612 392710 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333732622 581834 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is said that some indian guy had some kind of proto-calculus about 1000 years ago
< 1333732631 937635 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some wiki reference i forget
< 1333732634 590765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apart from what olsner said, I'm not sure that's actually meaningful, since people argue about axioms all the time.
< 1333732665 508716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that's inherently pointless, but it seems silly to declare Falso vs. ZFC an inherent draw.
< 1333732677 786375 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure -- but it's a very different sort of argument.
< 1333732679 508690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, those two might be equivalent.)
< 1333732693 92001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Substitute a less powerful theory than ZFC.)
< 1333732706 23732 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. humans will inevitably evolve into something more complex
< 1333732710 784332 :MoALTz_!~no@87.112.232.227 QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1333732712 900975 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or die out
< 1333732726 520412 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you can't agree on the axioms, then arguing arguing about distant results might well be even less useless.
< 1333732730 535852 :MoALTz!~no@87.112.232.227 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333732807 340837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even less useless indeed.
< 1333732831 450446 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I meant EVEN LESSER USEFULLESSEREASTER
< 1333732845 432730 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that coming up?
< 1333732911 868451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-97-154-155.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: bbl
< 1333732993 470135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why is Haskell kinda crappy?
< 1333733096 858223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:16:44 <dobblego> zipWith ($) = (<*>) + juggling
< 1333733097 55218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dobblego is *wrong* in this log. :(
< 1333733099 441126 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because there aren't enough MONAD TUTORIALS
< 1333733115 681277 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty juggling
< 1333733116 563187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `juggling'
< 1333733121 498885 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that dibble
< 1333733126 418975 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go
< 1333733251 173926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're really boring.
< 1333733468 591049 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333734306 66003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Why is resource management hard? :(
< 1333734321 231608 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cannot answer question. Heap depleted.
< 1333734356 968045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Your brain doesn't overcommit?
< 1333734378 574625 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault
< 1333734473 36539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: This is what happens when you write sentience in C.
< 1333734488 567833 :Nisstyre!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1333734526 210960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a shame in my opinion that the reason that most programming flaws matter is that flaws create security holes or possibly leak into damaging important programs... like a hello world in general doesn't need to work very well
< 1333734554 698650 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most situations you could afford 100mb of ram to run a hello world
< 1333734695 535280 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i mean is that i had nothing more suitable to say and didn't want to be silent
< 1333734905 130633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING IS SOFTENING
< 1333735002 12133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333735045 468138 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a hint by the universe that it's time to go shopping.
< 1333735130 134911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h;elp
< 1333736225 679630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOUSES AND TREES AND FOUNATINS AND GREEN
< 1333736600 976952 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. some thought resulted in an idea probably old as the hills.. chess where captures only result in the piece losing the ability to capture 2)if the enemy king is threatened with loses the ability to capture you win and 3)
< 1333736630 457931 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can displace a piece by some fancy displacement rules if you capture a piece which has lost the abiliyt to capture
< 1333736679 481116 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially nerfed chess
< 1333737006 666170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how can i create a list starting from the middle?
< 1333737286 341640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<brownies> is it a true statement that a Type is just a set of Typeclasses?
< 1333737472 922053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333737662 271000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Sure, but i'm not sure if it's an _intended_ feature...
< 1333737662 650900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333737720 956023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Heck, usually I read the @tell's first in the logs anyway :P
< 1333737721 435130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1333737747 862230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1333737754 691796 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat
< 1333737776 593942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor Heck, is going to be so confused
< 1333737849 483792 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333737947 103671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> they already get one strike against them for thinking a one-# channel on freenode would be about it; parting immediately is strikes 2 & 3
< 1333737959 137990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU KNOW SUCH THINKING IS BAD KARMA
< 1333738030 562164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the part where you assume it's impatience
< 1333738335 839231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1333738335 999749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1333738342 896620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's not intended feature
< 1333738348 16884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? i forgot context
< 1333738448 154075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the only explanation for expecting such things in a channel starting with one # on freenode is if you decided to connect to freenode without having the most cursory understanding of its purpose, and then without reading a single word of the MOTD you get in response
< 1333738448 350567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1333738472 878006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such people are not really worth spoon-feeding
< 1333738485 765964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they also leave immediately
< 1333738521 645011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can either educate yourself beforehand, or wait for others to teach you, but if you just join blindly and give up as soon as the first piece of information comes in then you deserve what you get
< 1333738527 908330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333738570 394709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> <elliott> they already get one strike against them for thinking a one-# channel on freenode would be about it; parting immediately is strikes 2 & 3
< 1333738570 572966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> DON'T YOU KNOW SUCH THINKING IS BAD KARMA
< 1333738570 733850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> especially the part where you assume it's impatience
< 1333738570 734061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> back
< 1333738570 734168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1333738572 336862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> oerjan: what's not intended feature
< 1333738574 458561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> :? i forgot context
< 1333738576 397767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 anyway the only explanation for expecting such things in a channel starting with one # on freenode is if you decided to connect to freenode without having the most cursory understanding of its purpose, and then without reading a single word of the MOTD you get in response
< 1333738580 460444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23* 23oerjan has quit (23Quit: Lost terminal23)
< 1333738582 412846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 such people are not really worth spoon-feeding
< 1333738584 525943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 if they also leave immediately
< 1333738586 494123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31<elliott>30 you can either educate yourself beforehand, or wait for others to teach you, but if you just join blindly and give up as soon as the first piece of information comes in then you deserve what you get
< 1333738622 294346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1333738683 657125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that means: i don't fully agree, but my intuition is screaming that it would be a large mistake to debate this, and if you add to that the disconnect and my belief in synchronicity...)
< 1333738722 120447 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THINKING IS BAD" -- elliott
< 1333738777 86544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to cater to people who join the wrong channels because they didn't do any research then /msg them after they leave
< 1333738847 421604 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GUESS WHAT I HAVE TO DO
< 1333738890 603446 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINT: THE ANSWER IS "SOMETHING"
< 1333739399 668535 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1333739443 980254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is slightly puzzling.  i got the idea to check if my ip had changed after the disconnect, and it hasn't.  but my first reconnect afterwards doesn't have reverse dns registered.
< 1333739455 237805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/recording/level20_idea.txt
< 1333739481 153015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*listed in the finger output)
< 1333739554 200986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connect before that, and the new terminal i opened after that, had reverse dns listed.
< 1333739714 254804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good idea?
< 1333739757 587813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<navaati> oh, makes me think about a question : agda enforces that the programs terminate. must i conclude from this that agda is not turing-complet® ?
< 1333739760 232149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing-complet®
< 1333739768 998294 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Rotating mazes which are also full of illusions, signs with false
< 1333739769 177605 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :information, and a false goal. -- bruce lee would get a kick (oh god the puns) out of this
< 1333739800 335692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333739800 690862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Apr  6 20:17:08
< 1333739808 103729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh so tempted to downvote this guy
< 1333739838 647333 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time lambdabot
< 1333739838 808332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live on the internet, do you expect me to have a local time?
< 1333739852 820530 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played
< 1333739890 538297 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time asdf
< 1333739892 562230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for asdf is Fri Apr  6 15:18:11 2012
< 1333739896 650919 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1333739912 478268 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is an asdf on Freenode
< 1333739928 477286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Sgeo is Fri Apr  6 15:18:40
< 1333739941 10017 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333739943 429888 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1333739946 830638 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Case1 
< 1333739947 892406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Case1
< 1333739948 122117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't respond to CTCP TIME either, sneaky bastard
< 1333739950 370701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooo!
< 1333739950 631951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333739953 724290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lose.
< 1333739964 686309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
< 1333739978 789191 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1333740004 963526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: Hello. What question?
< 1333740006 164623 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ahh.. boredom leads one to many weird bot queries
< 1333740020 111639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do they need to have a question?
< 1333740021 267238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ? esoteric # :P
< 1333740024 286294 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1333740037 422049 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1333740054 413867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but in case they do, please to ask question.
< 1333740060 346891 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah k. I thought it was about the other kind of esoteric
< 1333740066 850602 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: basically.. don't flee if you're here for computer programming languages
< 1333740142 704102 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any programmimg language in particular? or just programming languages in general?
< 1333740145 158684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: The main topic is esoteric computer programming (more information is available in wiki); but we are often not on topic and discuss whatever happens to be discussed at the time, including computer programming, mathematics, IRC services, and everything else too
< 1333740154 705129 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric ones.
< 1333740159 967008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: See the wiki; they are esoteric programming languages (INTERCAL, brainfuck, etc)
< 1333740184 528933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you are unable to access the wiki, some of us might still be able to help)
< 1333740190 221457 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1333740219 547843 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when do I get to see the infinate tape
< 1333740224 821090 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*infinite
< 1333740232 789855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel is selling that.
< 1333740235 438251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oerjan. who knows.
< 1333740240 327389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case1: The topic messages change very often and sometimes contain lies
< 1333740242 318604 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you loop it
< 1333740274 416058 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333740288 982250 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it loops, it's not really infinite. Although it would be ... unbounded is I guess the right word?
< 1333740388 454931 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbounded seems more appropriate
< 1333740403 987656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: An unbounded tape isn't cycli.
< 1333740405 396795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cyclic.
< 1333740408 929069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cyclic tape is just cyclic.
< 1333740415 69470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ok
< 1333740418 345858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... I suppose you can say there's no "bounds" on the tape itself.
< 1333740422 697459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a bound on how much data it'll store.
< 1333740515 805252 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a lemniscate 
< 1333740588 399466 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. BRB AFK
< 1333740638 944255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :This channel is about programming. | If you find the key to the matrix of solidity, please hand it in in the reception. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1333740668 613006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS LIABLE?
< 1333740692 147005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like rotating mazes? Do you like the other idea?
< 1333740700 911155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :Do you like rotating mazes? Do you like the other idea? | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1333740702 850604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
< 1333740741 745109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1333740766 120082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders how many people here came looking for the other kind of esoteric, but stayed nevertheless.
< 1333740785 922737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one i think
< 1333740798 548661 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super ASCII MZX Town sounds fun
< 1333740824 259351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: It is a computer game series I made; but currently only the first part of the series is complete.
< 1333740849 33699 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the coolest name ever
< 1333740865 802532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: certainly some of them have stayed a day or two
< 1333740867 461429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: OK; however, some people don't quite like this name
< 1333740902 908187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey can you implement my programming language. RocketJSquirrel said he'd only do it in javascrip
< 1333740903 258539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1333740910 401862 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: even i can't believe how much i wanted a super nintendo when it first came out.... 
< 1333740912 387526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language.
< 1333740931 840279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh it doesn't really have a name :/
< 1333740933 251828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet
< 1333740941 608856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IC
< 1333740950 234713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the functional systems programming language one
< 1333740951 273293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Count how many. (And if someone ask about astrology then make a comment about the Agora horoscope on your webpage, which probably won't answer their question nevertheless)
< 1333740955 695726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1333740960 294753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :P
< 1333740965 902454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suspect that's a "no", then.
< 1333740970 522894 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i want more now than i wanted a super nintendo is a wife and kids 
< 1333740974 430671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't even need a GC!
< 1333740984 553218 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else is that desirable
< 1333740994 222247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: too much work
< 1333741016 840556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Super ASCII MZX Town is not for Super Nintendo though; it is for MegaZeux, which runs on Windows, Linux, Macintosh, Nintendo DS, and more
< 1333741029 49503 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it has the word Super
< 1333741077 977792 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has the word ASCII.. which is of course also some japanese game company who makes rpgmakers among other things
< 1333741157 26331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it won't run on the Super Nintendo (unless someone managed to port MegaZeux to Super Nintendo)
< 1333741228 698517 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the mere word association with super makes me like it..
< 1333741269 824251 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im getting less bored now that i have some newspapers, tape, and scissors to play with.. so i'll afk
< 1333741324 450316 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1333741576 137459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines itidus20 taping together a letter from newspaper letters
< 1333741722 379809 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... an imagined newspaper made military sim model ended up being me deciding to nap instead
< 1333741837 405341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02:02: <shachaf> Note to self: Never write anything that elliott can read.
< 1333741837 603470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02:05: <shachaf> Ever.
< 1333741905 198998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, i seem to manage to write things elliott cannot read, without meaning to...
< 1333742038 473235 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Splash_(move) why does this exist?
< 1333742074 427220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well you see, a long time ago, the universe exploded...
< 1333742082 317351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I suppose, because passing is not allowed
< 1333742134 44069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although using a pokeball in a trainer battle is effectively passing; so you can use that)
< 1333742335 509426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat
< 1333742345 391308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so magikarp has something to do
< 1333742372 249610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he asked why something existed
< 1333742380 221947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it did not have that, it could use struggle
< 1333742558 173636 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Pokedex entries call it pathetic, apparently
< 1333742575 358847 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Magikarp, I mean)
< 1333742592 659412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant
< 1333742596 25647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> meanwhile, i seem to manage to write things elliott cannot read, without meaning to...
< 1333742596 186617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is good if you are trying to pass
< 1333742611 202303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:56: <elliott> 03:16:44 <dobblego> zipWith ($) = (<*>) + juggling
< 1333742611 362570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:57: <elliott> dobblego is *wrong* in this log. :(
< 1333742615 592847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you seriously not know about magikarp before today
< 1333742617 712216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean come on
< 1333742619 386351 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently what it evolves into is good?
< 1333742628 753683 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I knew a little, mostly from a certain video
< 1333742629 352349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyarados
< 1333742630 95987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like the Qdeql TC proof :P
< 1333742635 717313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you never played pokemon
< 1333742647 952966 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I played a little, once or twice
< 1333742667 893281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's not wrong, assuming juggling means "adding newtype wrapping + unwrapping"
< 1333742688 920416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played Pokemon Card? It is a different game.
< 1333742702 230468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's wrong in context
< 1333742705 56101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dobblego said zip <*> ap
< 1333742710 9513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else said something with zipWith ($)
< 1333742726 422662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok i guess if i expand my definition of "juggling" to the breaking point :P
< 1333742729 573224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) is like infix id
< 1333742736 317974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that at the time, yes.
< 1333742758 253098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip <*> ap
< 1333742759 264355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `[b]'
< 1333742759 424923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           against inferred type `[a] -> [b1]'
< 1333742759 425158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `(<*>)', namely `ap'
< 1333742776 175876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :promising.
< 1333742783 807925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was zip <*> tail i think
< 1333742927 185327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10048213/managing-state-chapter-3-of-sicp you won't win this one dmwit!!!!
< 1333742936 719630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE THE TWO MINUTE ADVANTAGE
< 1333743036 209280 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7b3bOQ6lY
< 1333743292 518249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HEY WHY DID YOU LOCK THE WIKI
< 1333743371 214818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what
< 1333743375 979628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1333743385 387911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST HAVE; THE RECENT CHANGES HAVE NOT CHANGED
< 1333743396 810501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nobody has edited anything.
< 1333743405 425235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPISSOLBE
< 1333743408 664362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say things like that, they send me into sysadmin panic attack :|
< 1333743416 235258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had already loaded up the sandbox and was about to ssh in
< 1333743420 11285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, the power of fear
< 1333743443 768222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, everyone's keeping quiet for fear of the rising storm.
< 1333743471 868069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes.
< 1333743479 206544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is tomorrow.
< 1333743493 48321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the storm of a myriad shady characters
< 1333743525 102151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtIoW_Sm3w8 "A car crash that lasts the duration of a month. The car is slowly colliding with the wall at 7mm per hour."
< 1333743581 636737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1333743588 174389 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can post videos that long?
< 1333743589 404920 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1333743622 597404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not at 1x speed :P
< 1333743627 367256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are videos that last like a year i think
< 1333743629 306586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stupid repetition stuff
< 1333743678 87838 :shachaf!shachaf@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:6da8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1333743774 476047 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333743830 220913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.humanmolecule.net/ help
< 1333743880 287322 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAK
< 1333743897 57472 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@carcrash: but is it art
< 1333743897 218193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1333743923 533860 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 4d mazes
< 1333743932 4656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't prefix references with @, it upsets the bot
< 1333743950 543456 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, IC
< 1333744062 43446 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf
< 1333744086 784686 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urticator.net/maze/  home of the 4d maze. caution: may cause severe disorentation 
< 1333744090 368326 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that... trying to count number of atoms of various elements in a human?
< 1333744101 796203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have no idea
< 1333744124 987253 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the computer-scientific notation for the number of atoms in the "molecule"
< 1333744165 663603 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trying to overextend the subatomic model into the macroverse, for some reason
< 1333744221 215411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if EARTH is just one big molecule of EARTH???
< 1333744224 33282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science!
< 1333744245 161971 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to be an analogy for how being made up of molecules kind of dampens the idea of free will?
< 1333744257 540569 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eoht.info/page/Human+molecule
< 1333744267 320487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it's attempting to apply molecular interactions to social situations somehow.
< 1333744268 156201 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things of that nature
< 1333744270 970838 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1333744278 499368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc |
< 1333744278 660544 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :124.
< 1333744290 264336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found this because the Libb Thims guy is banned from Wikipedia for creating articles about things like this.)
< 1333744301 738410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's a WP mirror, I think?
< 1333744313 563204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe not.
< 1333744327 512473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Latest page update: made by Sadi-Carnot" -- same guy.
< 1333744400 541370 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333744418 447990 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1333744500 665543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many casen
< 1333744526 424581 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just registered this one
< 1333744551 402127 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where, according to recent Internet polls, about 57% of people agree that they are a giant molecule."
< 1333744564 543928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: re: human molecule. i had no idea we had so many of some of those elements in us
< 1333744582 726285 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're made of dirt
< 1333744628 644021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :D
< 1333744796 556142 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they say the word "metaphorically" anywhere?
< 1333744811 401777 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French composer Hector Berlioz used the term “human molecule” in 1854, albeit, it seems, rather metaphorically.
< 1333744822 582178 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French historian Hippolyte Taine, independent and contrary to prior metaphorical use of the term human molecules by Berloiz, was the first to use the term in a scientific sense and to build argument on this concept, and to have others adopt his usage.
< 1333745030 468090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program Daedalus also has 4D (and even 5D) maze
< 1333745062 410678 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in a 4D prospective projection.
< 1333745090 276159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is GPL so you can modify it to have that if you like to
< 1333745133 410470 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't make my modifications then sell the modified game without revealing the source to my modifications
< 1333745142 368922 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, so not really a big deal in this case)
< 1333745153 861810 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ffd4.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333745173 799869 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38, any relation to http://jyte.com/profile/zzo38computer.cjb.net ?
< 1333745185 378932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case2: I am that one.
< 1333745199 82531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ is my OpenID.
< 1333745256 145842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, zzo38computer.cjb.net is my computer; the computer I am using to send this message right now, in fact)
< 1333745290 536810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he is the only person left still actively using a cjb domain)
< 1333745330 597418 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL
< 1333745350 770763 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how large of a coincidence this is...
< 1333745364 724540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't think so
< 1333745398 805237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: who else?
< 1333745417 896657 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jyte is yet another highly focussed self-obsoletion effort
< 1333745472 807532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Air Time Canada also uses it for some of their programs
< 1333745498 939317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i do not know what that is
< 1333745577 151606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmwit won :(
< 1333745764 64262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use cjb for dynamic DNS service; it was the one I found when I first wanted to find a dynamic DNS service to my suitability. Now I run IRC, HTTP, and gopher.
< 1333745801 183834 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"  An enigmatic figure, apparently of some history on the internet. zzo38 has featured in numerous internet circles, including the ZZT community and Something Awful.  Despite high levels of competence in a great many facets of web-based  programming and other areas of general computer knowledge, he remains  completely unable to correctly spell the words 'avatar' and 'picture'. "
< 1333745848 768186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cjb.net has inexplicably redesigned.
< 1333745858 655483 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He is still active, having recently appeared on Z2  and has even produced a ZZT game entitled Aksana ZZT, but his true  identity remains a mystery to which only a select few on the website  claim to be privy." /spam
< 1333745860 205739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case2: Most of that isn't true. I have never been in Something Awful, for some thing.
< 1333745861 120773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it looks like they don't offer subdomains any more :P
< 1333745885 282901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used ZZT, though; that part is true.
< 1333746007 801499 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's from UD, which is known for checking their facts and then checking again. SEG
< 1333746064 487670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UD?
< 1333746070 135689 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urbandictionary
< 1333746155 181776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigmatic, yes.  his spelling is now impeccable, however.
< 1333746225 563714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains lies! I have never been in Something Awful. But I have found one forum in which an impostor was claiming to be me (I forget what it was now, or how I found it; but it was not a subject matter I was interested in anyways)
< 1333746253 845406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it was when he first came here.  so even what information was originally true is many years out of date.
< 1333746279 741158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comment about the spell is also lies
< 1333746288 708079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the part about ZZT is correct.
< 1333746348 504982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, the explanation of ST is really helpful! – Chris Taylor 1 min ago
< 1333746348 675634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, this is a great answer. – Chris Taylor 1 min ago
< 1333746350 436808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICK MINE
< 1333746487 29070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I was one of the administrators of ZZT community, but the other administrators liked to change my messages so that they didn't make any sense any more; replacing spellings with wrong ones, pictures with other ones which don't belong, and URLs with invalid URLs which point to nonexistent resources (someone changed a URL to a .ZZT file to instead point to "shootmeintheskull"; which is a nonexistent file), and other changes
< 1333746576 382735 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT admins were a clownery bunch, eh
< 1333746774 21334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes feel weird after playing that maze game
< 1333746787 251062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you teach me how to spell "picture"
< 1333746820 351030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look it up in the dictionary. Probably it is already correct
< 1333746855 411134 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTS
< 1333746867 235975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do i trick the spam filter?  i am trying to add a wayback link to a site that is now in it (http://www.greatestjournal.com)
< 1333746920 523054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the site without wayback is already on that page
< 1333746929 351174 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333746933 933939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh huh
< 1333746942 255950 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which maze? the 4d one?
< 1333746955 362824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'd rather not trick it, i'd rather just disable Spamblacklist tbh
< 1333746966 129293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case2: i'm not olsner
< 1333746977 74995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we don't have any entries in it right now, so all our entries come from the wikimedia metawiki source
< 1333746984 135805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which is probably overly-restrictive.
< 1333746987 511154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. ok.
< 1333746988 936461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides our spam comes from very few sites.
< 1333746997 762158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a second to comment it out
< 1333747027 804889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: try now
< 1333747086 92643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure you're not me?
< 1333747141 821294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks it worked
< 1333747282 484251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#SpamBlacklist_disabled SO OFFICIAL
< 1333747353 174676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case2: If you want to know better my things then, you should get a more updated information at   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzo38
< 1333747449 220589 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah k
< 1333747628 147446 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This user is confused by every aspect of life, including his/her own confusion."
< 1333747652 803572 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sure are you about your own confusion? 
< 1333747664 782452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask pokemons
< 1333747676 310405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case2: If I am sure, that that make me to be confused?
< 1333747677 639110 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95D0D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333747725 41207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your active pokemon is now confused.
< 1333747761 392440 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333747762 449520 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1333747786 632057 :Case2!~Dr._Danee@adsl-74-178-237-37.jax.bellsouth.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9h1tR42QYA   Tiktaalik - Your Inner Fish
< 1333747841 36751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan wonders how many people are looking for the other #esoteric, but are scared away by our welcome message before we can point them on <-- there is another one?
< 1333747847 258365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play Pokemon Card too. But my opponent they try to pick up too many cards and lose due to running out of cards
< 1333747852 515426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1333747856 63289 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1333747863 33209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. 1/4 of the time
< 1333747864 452097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1333747898 353240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dmwit> There is a way. But it's silly, and you shouldn't do it.
< 1333747898 550955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<dmwit> ?wiki existential type
< 1333747898 551151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/existential_type
< 1333747899 587494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was discovered recently? I don't remember that message from before...
< 1333747905 938180 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with recently I mean sometime time year)
< 1333747907 186234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You've made me start mentally phrasing everything in terms of big red buttons.
< 1333747918 113797 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/time //
< 1333747930 688671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, someone looking for that kind of stuff joined here and searched other networks.
< 1333747934 96929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they told us they'd found it on dalnet.
< 1333747937 804417 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333747966 53416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of surprised dalnet still exists
< 1333748011 61547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc networks never die, they just something something
< 1333748035 469496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a memorable quote that one
< 1333748053 528475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very
< 1333748147 992446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the bright idea of trying http://planet.freenode.net.nyud.net/
< 1333748271 768380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i just had an idea
< 1333748279 343101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1333748282 356742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1333748285 356049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :variance ruins my ideas again
< 1333748291 4068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't everything just be covariant
< 1333748297 186337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want covariant functions
< 1333748300 360597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b
< 1333748305 835484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a and b are both covariant somehow
< 1333748377 931126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the major new features that this upgrade will bring is the ability to identify using ssl certificates." :D
< 1333748409 988227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of the services upgrade date, any nicks unused for > 150 days are at risk of being dropped. This includes grouped nicks. The easy way to avoid this happening is to use each of your grouped nicks (while identified to the appropriate account) within the next few weeks – and to drop those that you don’t need anymore!"
< 1333748410 720431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek!
< 1333748414 83715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_
< 1333748417 375874 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1333748426 787680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW THAT WAS EASY
< 1333748439 902495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38_
< 1333748441 304967 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38__
< 1333748442 324587 :zzo38__!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38___
< 1333748443 160543 :zzo38___!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38____
< 1333748444 75103 :zzo38____!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38_____
< 1333748451 986183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1333748459 219362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_________
< 1333748477 302119 :elliott_________!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :ehird
< 1333748485 420850 :ehird!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1333748487 215982 :zzo38_____!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38______
< 1333748489 635288 :zzo38______!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38_______
< 1333748491 21728 :zzo38_______!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38________
< 1333748491 601705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do that sort of stuff regularly (connecting a separate client to not small channels)
< 1333748492 31703 :zzo38________!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38_________
< 1333748493 372504 :zzo38_________!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38__________
< 1333748510 225125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38__________: you really have all those registered? :P
< 1333748514 987185 :zzo38__________!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No.
< 1333748523 683365 :zzo38__________!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I only have zzo38 zzo38_ zzo38__ zzo38___
< 1333748534 649992 :zzo38__________!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 NICK :zzo38
< 1333748550 138844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333748552 432986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i got them all
< 1333748560 63194 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro_
< 1333748562 317298 :coppro_!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :scshunt_
< 1333748564 434409 :scshunt_!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :seanhunt
< 1333748570 103253 :seanhunt!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :schunt
< 1333748575 396527 :schunt!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro
< 1333748612 133219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you enjoy writing?
< 1333748622 889622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333748623 65201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Apr  6 22:44:10
< 1333748627 863431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hours
< 1333748631 240157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :six upvotes in two hours
< 1333748632 649460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1333748663 441067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Various things sometimes; including the D&D recording
< 1333748670 956913 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /msg nickserv info elliott
< 1333748685 794723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I write stuff by hand too
< 1333748697 270693 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :cu
< 1333748698 680700 :cu!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro
< 1333748713 656339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually just my own things though; trying to think about mathematics or computer programming or whatever I will write them on paper to think about it better
< 1333748722 700413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not all my nicks are grouped
< 1333748745 266963 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1333748772 845984 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95D0D.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1333748783 408434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so stories sometimes too? what is the longest one?
< 1333748821 511561 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95D0D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333748827 457441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333748827 839983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Apr  6 22:47:35
< 1333748841 282350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four hours.
< 1333748844 809790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm counting or anything...
< 1333748852 618066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The D&D recording. And even that one is not yet complete.
< 1333748860 797368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :four hours? but it was two hours 3 minutes ago?
< 1333748887 865123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I do sometimes write computer programs by hand on paper; especially Haskell programs)
< 1333748888 514423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: different thing this time!
< 1333748912 188801 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: coding, even by hand, is usually not classed as "writing"
< 1333748965 856010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do that anyways; do other people writing computer codes by hand? Do other Haskell programmers do so?
< 1333748986 864857 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes do
< 1333749003 974706 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho less so when i have portable devices handy
< 1333749023 426307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought someone who types as fast as you would prefer typing in most instances
< 1333749041 761406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But I am not always working on the computer.
< 1333749129 112432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever write programs on paper when you are in the same room as the computer?
< 1333749211 478967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this one is to do with a certain... quick-quick matter
< 1333749212 776627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I might when I am resting in bed, but usually it isn't when I am in the same room as the computer
< 1333749237 228714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not quite sure what that matter is
< 1333749331 26711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of TIcalc do you have?
< 1333749354 379699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: TI-92
< 1333749430 764359 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1333749443 830431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1333749467 131918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1333749938 293349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: +? full keyboard?
< 1333749971 12847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Can you please be more specific?
< 1333750023 419056 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ti-92plus.jpg
< 1333750047 238658 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I have one of those
< 1333750075 735048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good
< 1333750082 902878 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
< 1333750088 965538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was the first to have a clock
< 1333750096 23468 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i inherited it when i was a kiddo because graphing calculators were cool
< 1333750097 170820 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :realtime clock, that is
< 1333750118 517485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by the time I actually needed a fancy calculator it was banned
< 1333750126 750235 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being too cool
< 1333750152 406858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0F/screen0.png   Multiple-choice-question what is it a picture of?  [a] Low res Lobster  [b] It looks cute and deadly at the same time  [c] a brown dinosaur with too many legs  [d] A mutated scorpion eating a triptych  [e] This is what happens when you smoke a pipe  [f] Some roguelike game  [g] MegaZeux  [h] That's a picture of SWMBO  [i] This is a pipe; the text is lying
< 1333750213 14132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[q] all of the above
< 1333750219 624065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty good rendering from ascii
< 1333750321 630435 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: picture of your calc?
< 1333750345 653620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a program to make semitransparency of windows; that caused it to run very slowly but was useful for this purpose
< 1333750422 79344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was it the original (1995) or the plus (1998)?
< 1333750460 198924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have the original calculator not the plus
< 1333750467 346593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1333750468 760112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1333750486 63648 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@stu-137-155-171-184.champlain.edu QUIT :
< 1333750490 469310 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know if the BASIC used by 89/92+ and the BASIC used by the 92 are different?
< 1333750533 123372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1333750604 616287 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1333750632 377363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some programs (games) i wrote for my (now-defunct) TI-89 which you could try to run
< 1333750833 598717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a card game called Solter Solitaire once in TI-92, later on I implemented in on computer as well, and using other programs designed for implementing card games
< 1333750882 720324 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if hgmail.com might be trying to phish from clueless users
< 1333750893 770391 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess I would expect they'd use a gmail theme
< 1333750965 107591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haddock document for dvi-processing is now available.
< 1333751652 136087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey aren't functions covariant in their argument in set theory?
< 1333751656 209078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just sets of tuples
< 1333751751 733245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm always nervous about monads for configuration because they come on the "wrong end" of the lambda expressions, i.e. f :: Int -> Config -> Int looks massively less efficient than f :: Config -> Int -> Int. I'll check out reflection. – Jeff Burdges 23 mins ago"
< 1333751753 877124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1333751961 365388 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I vaguely understand that concern
< 1333751978 265224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's silly because he's using it to store memoised values specifically here
< 1333751991 873591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you try to apply a function to the first part of the tuples that make up a function, the result is not a function, but a relation...
< 1333752035 162661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes true
< 1333752046 471145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's still more than you can do in type theory :)
< 1333752113 941104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact this may mean that relations are in a way _both_ covariant and contravariant on both sides
< 1333752152 330686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think in a non-constructive setting, everything is both covariant and contravariant in everything
< 1333752163 716774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't need to supply values to a function to get their outputs, you can see the inputs and outputs right there
< 1333752204 487447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hmm
< 1333752208 546415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are relations contravariant in their results?
< 1333752233 562224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compose relations, and both functions and inverse functions are relations.
< 1333752264 124358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1333752301 555012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm this might be because the category of relations is self-dual
< 1333752327 43900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so covariance and contravariance is the same thing
< 1333752359 968062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know what that means (being self-dual), but can you explain it, i'm no good at CT :(
< 1333752361 736737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything
< 1333752363 854467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esp. CT
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< 1333752478 849337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the map swapping fst and snd in the tuples is a contravariant bijective functor from Rel to itself.
< 1333752492 516927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1333752497 455189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1333752516 869396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never did get around to reading Mac Lane.
< 1333752529 42913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION neither :P
< 1333752562 923027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but you're a wizard who just magically knows stuff.
< 1333752568 37071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what did you read? or did you just magically know it.)
< 1333752702 755167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was a lot of osmosis from seminars involving C*-algebra categories, and some homological algebra and algebraic topology stuff, and some browsing the math encyclopedia...
< 1333752743 33948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so you just magically know it
< 1333752913 537218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1333752919 754376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1333752984 475659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall the most basic stuff may have been mentioned in one of the courses for some of that.
< 1333753008 370233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely enough that i have no idea which course :P
< 1333753296 398509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333753296 755222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Apr  7 00:02:04
< 1333753299 47195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 in 1
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< 1333753378 356426 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.tojicode.com/2012/04/if-i-built-physics-engine.html I'm not happy with the necessity of optimizing for speed over abstraction
< 1333753442 685612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play Pokemon Card.
< 1333753451 90798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's JavaScript.
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< 1333754403 705582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: goudanite
< 1333756199 820411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time
< 1333756200 174972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sat Apr  7 00:50:27
< 1333756202 721802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1333756326 385415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :129.242.219.37 - - [06/Apr/2012:23:40:52 +0000] "GET /wiki/Entropy HTTP/1.1" 200 23016 "-" "Less Trivial HTTP for Common Lisp (not Mozilla)"
< 1333756326 561898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????????
< 1333756503 294997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just wanted to ensure the word "Mozilla" was in there, even though it is not Mozilla, I guess.
< 1333756616 456503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know there is no mass today? There is still the church service, though.
< 1333756702 850282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering why anyone would request that page with Common Lisp :P
< 1333756706 221556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 'cuz it was on proggit.