< 1334275455 611564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1334275705 758294 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1334275710 475884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1334275739 656362 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yessss < 1334275749 298635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one hi < 1334275749 498524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi drama < 1334275753 360561 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1334275956 881413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How come there's so much C++ programmer/Haskell programmer overlap? < 1334276024 229983 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There is? < 1334276035 845514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most C++ programmers have probably never heard of Haskell. < 1334276036 46549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1334276049 656769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a lot of Haskellers also do C++, at least. < 1334276061 377398 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C++ is a very popular language. < 1334276065 619926 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't even know if that is true. < 1334276103 138464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a lot of SO people who answer Haskell questions also answer C++ questions? WORK WITH ME HERE < 1334276138 918054 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SO questions are just karma-crazy. < 1334276167 356102 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few strategies for karma: Answer specialized questions like Haskell questions, or answer mainstream questions like C++. < 1334276176 9313 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably people do some of both. < 1334276206 738806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather answering C or C++ questions doesn't get you much rep because of the high turnover rate. < 1334276398 395769 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1334276582 356069 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1334277360 604071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334277925 742555 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334278443 959338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334278471 41550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1334278521 928734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1334278736 849211 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1334279005 138977 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1334279953 925827 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1334280761 947590 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334282068 861901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334283333 196361 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I heard kmc bought a computer at a BRICK AND MORTAR STORE. < 1334283348 240918 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess he's neither ESR nor PG. < 1334283358 967141 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless, wait, was it an Apple store? < 1334283360 836345 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1334283371 881553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ESR and PG? < 1334283392 431048 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one really knows. < 1334283404 643688 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it the new Thinkpad you were waiting for? < 1334283423 818863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1334283437 152743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc only starts talking when shachaf talks to him :'( < 1334283444 959270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a refurb thinkpad for $250 < 1334283464 551111 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i had no working laptop at all < 1334283473 20412 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to your other working laptop? < 1334283558 186237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what we need is a shachaf simulator < 1334283592 670869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have one. < 1334283594 766994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's called shachaf. < 1334283608 424924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, I was hoping oerjan would take care of that [[Tiny]] edit. < 1334283621 982570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i have no idea what that meant, so no. < 1334283632 146459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the X200s has a cracked screen and is now in many pieces as part of a failed attempt to resolve this < 1334283641 961529 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old T61 has hella problems but the dealbreaker is that the fan doesn't work anymore < 1334283658 503914 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i bought a new refurb T61 < 1334283678 881648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Tiny&curid=1810&diff=31902&oldid=30619 < 1334283692 803532 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking (inter alia) that if things go wrong with it, I can grab parts from the old T61 < 1334283698 173235 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already cannibalized the RAM < 1334283699 719494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i didn't say i didn't see it, i said i didn't know what it meant < 1334283709 615626 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I didn't know you could buy ThinkPads in brick-and-mortar stores. < 1334283715 964382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, MicroCenter has some < 1334283720 603600 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...I thought the main things they sold was brick and mortar.) < 1334283723 216048 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...Sorry.) < 1334283726 74969 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA HA HA < 1334283739 439495 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I really didn't. < 1334283741 524393 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also get refurb machines online but I think the advantage is not so great < 1334283760 418567 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wanted this quickly because i am leaving town in less than a week < 1334283760 885089 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought this laptop refurbished online. < 1334283770 811547 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you going? < 1334283778 471916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that, if MicroCenter's refurb laptop turns out to be not so furbished after all, I can return it by walking down the street < 1334283837 51886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the MicroCenter people at BosHac told me to go to? < 1334283845 693922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying to SF, taking the train to LA, riding in a car out to Coachella for the eponymous music festival < 1334283847 900534 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this makes no sense < 1334283854 871519 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1334283862 750085 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computer store in cambridge (and some other places) < 1334283862 910119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1334283894 604633 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you ever been to cambridge (and some other places too)? < 1334283907 486287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, has anyone ever been etc < 1334283922 618599 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been etc < 1334283934 184647 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The part that makes no sense is that you're not going to SF by train. < 1334283982 198937 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Boston?? < 1334284023 285745 :augur!~augur@216-164-57-20.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334284025 148183 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the legroom! < 1334284070 648382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes /forever/ < 1334284074 852536 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would cost more < 1334284104 681077 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flying costs more of your soul. < 1334284111 241959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1334284114 492451 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually mind flying < 1334284131 209864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the carbon footprint is not great, but it's still public transit of sorts < 1334284144 617725 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you going through SF? < 1334284147 86065 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything about flying sucks, except the part where you're actually in the air < 1334284181 990410 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's proportionally better on longer trips < 1334284184 313605 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I'm stuck on a chair inside the airplane instead of in the air. :-( < 1334284195 577925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA HA HA < 1334284223 488040 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that must be some sort of subtle cue about something... < 1334284223 648547 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my friends who live in SF, LA, and SD are going to Coachella < 1334284224 669335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does flying really count as public transport? < 1334284274 158262 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coachella is much closer to those cities than to Boston < 1334284311 490592 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I needed to buy plane tickets long before I could get any of them to figure out their transpo plans < 1334284317 963578 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I reduced to a solved problem < 1334284326 545092 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by flying to/from where one of my friends would be starting < 1334284330 147937 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that works. < 1334284334 929769 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boston to SF is also a very cheap route < 1334284342 957396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :per mile anyway < 1334284357 161827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, isn't LA on the other side of USillyA to SF? < 1334284364 342529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know much about USillyA geography. < 1334284367 341890 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA = Los Angeles, not Louisiana < 1334284374 237244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. :( < 1334284380 501999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you learn something every day. < 1334284382 140572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I knew that. < 1334284391 297131 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SFO->SEA is cheaper than SFO->PDX. < 1334284393 720124 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can be more flexible about dates if I fly to/from SF, because I have places I can stay there < 1334284401 685126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was thinking the USA had, like, a left, a right, and a third thing. < 1334284427 626692 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much how it works. < 1334284429 398203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am quite tired. < 1334284429 975607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF is like 600 km north of LA; they're both in California, which is on the west coast < 1334284440 356153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is a big state < 1334284446 150757 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :600km? < 1334284448 955665 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess it is. < 1334284449 662412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I realised that about 15 seconds after I asked. < 1334284458 45581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK is much simpler :( < 1334284472 856702 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to make any sense of the UK. < 1334284479 500965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would call commercial airlines "public transportation", yes < 1334284509 921537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term does not imply government-affiliated < 1334284530 117751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1334284541 488371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I associated "public transport" with "public" as in state-run. < 1334284545 964752 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of bus and train routes around the world are fully private < 1334284551 431186 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many others are weird hybrids < 1334284551 655519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then our trains aren't really "state-run" here either. < 1334284573 809541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oblig. daily thanks to Conservatives for ruining everything.) < 1334284594 189177 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1334284612 297259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF EVERYBODY THINKING I'M CONAL < 1334284619 872762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK has really weird place names. < 1334284625 481773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people just never ask and go away with a significantly tarnished view of Conal. < 1334284626 858483 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like New Castle Upon Thyme. < 1334284628 860958 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in britain they sold off the right to run the trains, and sold off the infrastructure separately, and then kind of gradually bought them back in weird ways < 1334284652 392934 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334284668 857340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = govt) < 1334284690 119929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION appreciates kmc's train wisdom. < 1334284696 724130 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks elliott < 1334284698 97363 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott < 1334284699 22957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trisdom. < 1334284705 471601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was typing that before you said that. < 1334284710 499536 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're psychic < 1334284715 424763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's you. :( < 1334284722 682252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew you would say that < 1334284722 842937 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tʜᴇᴍ < 1334284736 118770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 16:40:45: kmc: that "replacement for SSH" wording + "uses SSH for login" is really confusing people < 1334284742 300386 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1334284750 704335 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you suggest a better way to deal? < 1334284755 387424 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename SSH. < 1334284762 588626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should say "replacement for interactive ssh"? < 1334284771 698195 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacement for ssh -t < 1334284776 306396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that implies it's the actual terminally bits it's replacing, not ssh itself. < 1334284791 130984 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's replacing more than that. < 1334284799 499399 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have its own protocol, after all. < 1334284813 987463 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want people to be overtrusting of it, would you. < 1334284832 224482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, some people are worried about what if Mosh drops a UDP packet while I'm typing "rm *foo\n" and it gets "rm *\n" < 1334284851 145501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Doesn't it sequentialise those properly? < 1334284853 999658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1334284860 185619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people are silly, then. < 1334284868 201377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is not common knowledge that one can implement a reliable protocol on top of UDP < 1334284873 876128 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that reliable protocols other than TCP exist < 1334284880 610174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to bake it into the ethernet cable itself. < 1334284883 914837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, UDP is just like this big open hole. < 1334284886 233737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've also been accused of "reinventing TCP" on this grounds < 1334284892 298279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But TCP has a bunch of gates to make sure everything goes through in the right order. < 1334284912 230198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling everyone is sick of TCP nowdays. < 1334284914 651510 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should invent a protocol that lets you send fds over the network. < 1334284922 268249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because TCP is like the platonic ideal of a reliable protocol, and there is no way you could ever do better even with total application domain knowledge < 1334284933 736536 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of think we should describe the Mosh protocol as more akin to video streaming < 1334284945 956828 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a packet drops, the server doesn't resend you that exact packet stream again < 1334284947 840201 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP is pretty good at what it does, to be fair. < 1334284958 768761 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries to get you up to date as directly as possible < 1334284988 879066 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for live video. < 1334284992 851087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you tried any of those ANSI films over mosh? < 1334285016 99988 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI has gotten into the film business? < 1334285040 389436 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP could be better. < 1334285086 675944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's that Star Wars-over-telnet thing. < 1334285251 159216 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't elliott < 1334285253 538716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should < 1334285284 725226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone should elliott. < 1334285542 772404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't "apt-get -f" be named "apt-get -un-f" < 1334285565 348742 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334285601 550560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1334285604 133014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, Keith's actual graduate research is in improving TCP, so I think he thinks it can be improved :) < 1334285641 711756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I'm sure it can. < 1334285693 282309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's even "pretty good" < 1334285698 226857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the Internet as it exists today < 1334285701 827837 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1334285705 54163 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deals very poorly with non-congestive losses < 1334285707 900025 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are common on radio < 1334285722 235555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so link layer protocol designers sometimes go to great lengths to hide those < 1334285724 834246 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just the fact that it's from ~1974 and it actually works is pretty good. < 1334285727 754444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has yet been able to adequately explain to me why the internet works. < 1334285737 888574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, it shouldn't. Actually, AFAICT it doesn't. < 1334285739 379494 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can maybe blame TCP for bufferbloat too < 1334285740 734742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1334285749 473697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it all goes and works and I don't know how or why. :( < 1334285750 662357 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were blaming buffers for that. < 1334285794 56766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does the internet work? < 1334285837 760532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :628... < 1334285899 739617 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the answer involves pictures of cats. < 1334286064 456430 :Mathnerd314!~chatzilla@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1334286436 777189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I told someone about something near the end of one of the games in Super ASCII MZX Town series, that they tell you "You will need all of these things! Take it, please!" and leaves. They give you a bunch of ammunition, health, money, torches, and a multimeter; none of which is of the least bit of useful to you; it only serves to burden you. They told me that this game is diabolical. < 1334287778 912384 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :super latin-1 mzx town < 1334287828 328621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :super unicode big endian mzx town < 1334287954 572412 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting some web server requests that start with U+FEFF < 1334287968 903069 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether it's Unicode Big Endian or not, though. < 1334288245 705804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Actually the game is based on CP437, not Latin-1 < 1334288253 419065 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My compose key is broken. :-( <> < 1334288301 46934 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334288304 622389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That doesn't make the "Unicode non-big-endian only has 65536 codepoints" thing any less true. < 1334288306 469149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1334288307 757364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That doesn't make the "Unicode non-big-endian only has 65536 codepoints" thing any less false. < 1334288310 749896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That doesn't make the "Unicode non-big-endian only has 65536 codepoints" thing any more true. < 1334288343 683677 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure. < 1334288649 177262 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows also refers to legacy codepages as "ANSI". < 1334288656 281544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it any less idiotic. < 1334289049 295032 :kmc_!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334290298 120437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :findIndex p = snd . foldl (\(y, z) x -> (succP y, bool z (z <|> pure y) $ p x)) (zeroP, empty); < 1334290363 711158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this is my version of findIndex < 1334290404 482250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever played Final Jeopardy by themself without two opponents? < 1334290447 124853 :kmc_!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc < 1334290806 213719 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, but there has apparently been at least one instance of *nobody* playing Final Jeopardy. < 1334291670 578130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Just seen this comment on reddit: "Parallel programming has been a solved problem for decades." I might have to stop reading the internet. < 1334291681 628486 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :828) Just seen this comment on reddit: "Parallel programming has been a solved problem for decades." I might have to stop reading the internet. < 1334291693 470743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He's an esolanger, it counts!) < 1334291723 894724 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db4ed87.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1334291777 615667 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1334292625 762282 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"parallel programming has been a solved problem for decades, but everyone is too dumb to appreciate my favorite solution" < 1334292652 594243 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like writing programs with no bugs < 1334292708 254580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solution is to not read the internet. < 1334292815 851368 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert snarky remark about how the internet and the web are different < 1334293326 839426 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334293400 838663 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 NICK :MSleep < 1334293414 790984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert reference to saying something annoying, which is somehow supposed to be less annoying than saying it < 1334293452 895124 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing programs with no bugs is easy. < 1334293467 92090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if it doesn't do anything. < 1334293469 554154 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every computer program written by the majority of people alive has no bugs. < 1334293473 207237 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :What zzo38 said < 1334293488 559790 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are programmers so bad at programming?! < 1334293499 486449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Vacuously. < 1334293500 225566 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most of them are human < 1334293569 975984 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:05 < Utkarsh_> How do I fix this? main = map print (map read (words getLine)) < 1334293811 981911 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with shachaf here, it's like i never really left #haskell! < 1334293821 176261 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1334293829 808271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachoo < 1334293834 161890 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me, bit of a sneeze < 1334293839 934564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does show you that some people do not understand Haskell < 1334293846 477820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: shocking < 1334293852 956737 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im shockt < 1334293864 920057 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hey, at least you don't get the dozens-of-people-typing-in-answers bit. < 1334293868 291741 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1334293873 803001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how predictable ! < 1334293878 615458 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's my new greeting now < 1334293881 915920 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how predictable ! < 1334293895 983135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you forgotten about the power of hi monqy < 1334293902 754451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how predictable ! < 1334293921 918230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1334293925 399976 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how predictable ! < 1334293951 608049 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1334293953 20966 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1334293954 662969 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi hi < 1334293957 381728 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1334293958 593622 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi predictable? < 1334293959 123920 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1334293961 626961 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : - a poem < 1334293969 149015 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : - that monqy might've written < 1334293979 309025 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : - if he was still with us today < 1334293983 18696 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : - :( < 1334294133 568273 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1334294330 299919 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1334297993 274278 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1334298700 461103 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1334299170 855798 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1334299197 367024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever possible to make a monad (or applicative) from Density comonad? I can think of return = flip Density zero . const; but then how to define join? Or, make pure and then how to define <*> or liftPair? < 1334299250 972803 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1334300023 495627 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you awake? < 1334300191 128420 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1334300242 652390 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334300885 638118 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1334300918 402618 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334301173 80524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or there is another way too < 1334302819 340960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe like this: pure = liftA2 Density const pure; liftPair (Density f1 x1, Density f2 x2) = Density (f1 . fmap fst &&& f2 . fmap snd) (liftPair x1 x2); < 1334303319 204320 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334303966 735954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: Ever thought about Microcosm on A/UX? < 1334304613 24776 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, no working Mac emulators for the purpose. < 1334304684 563994 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MESS's support is a WIP, and all other emulators HLE part of the Toolbox, which A/UX doesn't even use. < 1334304719 697647 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so get to work, jeez < 1334304767 161754 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost as work-averse as elliott. It's a bit of a problem. < 1334304801 120844 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :beer_and_xanx < 1334304980 536970 :beer_and_xanx!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus20 < 1334305033 757364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro nick itidus20 < 1334305088 389612 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an artifact of another conversation i saw < 1334305100 704455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game did you prefer? The game that the sun rises in the wrong place? < 1334305434 525693 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-219-166.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1334305497 999549 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-171-245.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1334307869 71855 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-110.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334308002 312326 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-99-95-110.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1334309480 848715 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334311491 679873 :cheater_!~cheater@g231040025.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1334311699 556334 :cheater!~cheater@g230220031.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1334312098 949535 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-229-129.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1334312104 306304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334312124 457614 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334313336 800792 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334313537 575543 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-228-173.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1334314079 402592 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-124-244.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334314253 10890 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-34.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334314351 820953 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-244.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334314528 3152 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-124-244.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334314614 99598 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-207.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334314803 3936 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-244.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334315720 54130 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334315903 3945 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-207.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334316159 887944 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-2.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1334316160 226491 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-2.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1334316160 386465 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1334316230 916865 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1334316476 845418 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95847.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334316593 219176 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-234-80.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1334316804 955154 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : RocketJSquirrel: Ever thought about Microcosm on A/UX? // *shakes fist* < 1334317099 915406 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95847.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334317202 923599 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1334320731 507000 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-121-86.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1334320761 995574 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-121-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334321022 763673 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-121-86.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1334321635 939228 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-226-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1334323818 393865 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1334324003 753509 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334324009 437488 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1334324016 402900 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1334324584 407726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, so from now on I will always snigger whenever Americans profess a love for bacon. < 1334324584 880582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1334324606 410976 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, OK? < 1334324620 744306 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/5901263/court-rules-it-is-impossible-to-steal-computer-code < 1334324727 916462 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet. < 1334324749 447871 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is it because you think that the uncooked junk you eat in the UK is bacon? < 1334324765 772261 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha, stupid American. < 1334324767 796914 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or because there's better bacon in continental Europe than either of us, which is true. < 1334324804 787304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you know, you don't taste. < 1334324860 34426 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, brits don't know how to cook eggs, either. < 1334324875 46224 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, your whole breakfast selection is a lesson in poor cooking. < 1334324905 224595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about, you people can't even make toast properly. < 1334324910 375722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's toast, for fuck's sake. < 1334324917 322735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You: take bread and you: toast it. < 1334324924 150812 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't stop halfway through. < 1334325188 589362 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... do you blacken toast or something? < 1334325204 651225 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly unsure what you mean by that, but it's ironic that you'd mention it tsince to cook eggs you fucking COOK EGGS. < 1334325207 473522 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't stop halfway through. < 1334325575 257997 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1334325588 789241 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you only mean fried eggs here, which are cooked all the way through anyway, just not flipped. < 1334325610 287524 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having had many breakfasts in the UK, I can assure you that they are neither cooked all the way through nor flipped. < 1334325630 626817 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fact that you describe it that way means that the {over,under} {hard,medium,easy} system is meaningless to you. < 1334325867 409694 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334325906 57052 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Every foreigner eating breakfast at a restaurant for their first time in the US: < 1334325912 432476 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : How would you like your eggs? < 1334325916 129910 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... huh? < 1334325923 269930 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK, over hard then. < 1334326029 911601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel, they're hardly raw on top. < 1334326037 794850 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1334326427 202300 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1334326444 681183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1334326877 66412 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1334327030 535802 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Eggs. Do you know how to cook them? < 1334327074 191429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: in theory, I don't think I've cooked one in practice < 1334327100 711709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if I was acting under the instructions of someone else < 1334328785 986336 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1334328834 30927 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has this topic stayed for so long >_> < 1334328954 280928 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my ${DEITY}. Hv3 web browser is amazingly fast < 1334329251 422887 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: http://codu.org/websplat/ g'luck < 1334329607 257953 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1334329681 259914 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN YOUR BROWSER IS MADE OF FAIL < 1334329710 468526 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on computer with 64MB of RAM < 1334329864 409519 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and passes both Acid 1 and 2 < 1334329966 130218 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it can't run WebSplat, it is not useful. < 1334330020 846467 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about lynx, links2 and netsurf? < 1334330050 989339 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuck, yuck, never used it but presumably yuck. < 1334330065 111134 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've considered writing a curses backend for WebKit, but (thank jebus) never followed through :) < 1334330079 61528 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with them < 1334330147 92395 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go download some code from a project, they're super. < 1334330162 444086 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to replace your web browser with them, then you will live in a very small, sad version of the web. < 1334330189 439135 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's similar to the small, sad version of the web that people like ais523 who use JS blockers live in. < 1334330206 127839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: websplat works fine for me < 1334330222 808223 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, once you tweak the appropriate knob to accept it ;) < 1334330232 453894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RocketJSquirrel: I didn't even have to do that, it was pre-tweaked < 1334330240 517064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably I'd found reason to whitelist codu.org some time in the past < 1334330248 101379 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried using Midori on this machine. After it had loaded its homepage form 10 mins I killed it < 1334330257 307604 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because codu.org has only the most awesome of JS code 8-D < 1334330264 610646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I find that something like 90-95% of websites don't meaningfully benefit from JS < 1334330274 56768 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hv3 has ECMAScript support < 1334330290 394303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in a significant fraction of the ones that would theoretically benefit from JS, the JS is written so badly that they're better off without it < 1334330296 938807 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just turned off by default and that is good thing < 1334330300 523326 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heh, that's true ^^ < 1334330329 455539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, what I'm most annoyed at is websites that intentionally break blocked-JS; not as in not degrading gracefully, but as in specifically making a