< 1335312365 118061 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335312372 575342 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335314592 867964 :augur!~augur@wireless-206-196-166-30.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335314899 289582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335314930 112049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the message already < 1335314930 753566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1335315603 798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know, I saw this message already. < 1335316156 168842 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1335316505 857495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some categories, can you have, a fully faithful functor from that category to the free category of a subset of that category's quiver < 1335316535 425053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this have a shorter name? < 1335316598 582164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, if you have the variant with cancelling, does that have another name? < 1335316950 103490 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335317451 612356 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1335317455 801191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1335317473 118781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what I am meaning? < 1335317494 236188 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1335317512 852236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about category theory? < 1335317517 661272 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea why the BWTed version is significantly less compressible than the input in ? < 1335317523 480413 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not much. < 1335317700 410794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does it depend what compression scheme? < 1335317724 960541 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it's PNG (DEFLATE). < 1335317733 330086 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But every compression program I tried did better with the input. < 1335318090 434407 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1335320431 320226 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335320443 856176 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71.219.213.36 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1335320551 107405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most number of times you have ever retreated in a single turn in Pokemon Card? (not counting cases in which your active pokemon is confused) < 1335321265 762400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I remember, the most I have done is two times, although I have made a puzzle requiring three times. < 1335321734 676903 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :const < 1335323125 284028 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :sa_nwonk_won_si < 1335323168 910572 :sa_nwonk_won_si!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :sa_nwonk_won_si_ < 1335323223 138742 :sa_nwonk_won_si_!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1335324967 37984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I've retreated hundreds of times in a turn, using two Pokémon with zero retreat cost, just because I could, not for any good reason < 1335325205 747003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK; but how many have you done for some good reason? < 1335325217 316002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only one < 1335325290 938242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done twice sometimes in order to remove the energy from some other card, which was sometimes useful. Have you ever played an evolution card but then never used any of the evolution card's attacks or powers? < 1335325329 253644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you make up any Pokemon Card puzzle? I made two but I would like to know if you have any, too. < 1335325363 316324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really, I'm not used to which cards are which and you wouldn't know the modern cards anyway < 1335325371 742051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really play the card game, I'm more used to the video game < 1335325473 248880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To make up the satisfactory puzzle, the cards don't matter as long as the old rules are used and all card texts are included. (Make up your own cards if you wish; I recommend naming them CUSTOM 1, CUSTOM 2, DARK CUSTOM 1; and then add levels if necessary for multiple different cards of same name) < 1335325490 965913 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a Aperiodic finite state automaton mean that the graph is cycle free ? because any cycle would in theory create a period wouldn't it ? < 1335325534 561485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Also, I made two puzzles only so far have you seen them or solved them yet? < 1335325542 10157 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, from wikipedia Equivalently, a graph is aperiodic if the greatest common divisor of the lengths of its cycles is one; < 1335325548 63573 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why < 1335325572 359727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure quite what "aperiodic" means in this context < 1335325585 752970 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the transition function is aperiodic < 1335325599 238597 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a subset of DFAs) < 1335325618 688685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aperiodic with what input? < 1335325626 352122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it's finite, it's got to repeat eventually < 1335325656 474662 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tbh, I'm not fully certain < 1335325663 344609 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going based off of wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperiodic_finite_state_automaton < 1335325765 329156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, follow the "aperiodic" link; it's talking about aperiodic monoids < 1335325800 356298 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1335325809 340067 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to understand that in terms of the graph of the DFA < 1335325856 43037 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, the wikipedia article is in term of group theory and I'm trying to understand in terms of a graph < 1335325874 703642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition in terms of regular languages is interesting < 1335325885 564607 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I'll take that < 1335325916 637726 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I understand it, its 'any regular language that can be expressed without a *' but I have a feeling that isn't very technical < 1335325969 678151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because it allows the complement operation, and you can get infinite sets that way < 1335325977 974185 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1335325989 92776 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the definition in terms of regular languages ? < 1335326012 204897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, any regular language that can be defined using only concatenation, alternation, and complements < 1335326033 73834 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1335326090 459630 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is basically what I got from 'star free' < 1335326103 114254 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good to know I understood it correctly :) < 1335326107 296290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1335326113 641618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure complements are normally allowed in the definition < 1335326144 182855 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, they can't be < 1335326157 676507 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :because union + compliment -> a much larger set < 1335326160 499295 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, thats for PDA < 1335326165 230757 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they might be < 1335326167 180970 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't remember < 1335326181 518688 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternation = ? < 1335326216 781589 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally we have union, concat, and star < 1335326226 219866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :union < 1335326233 485727 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1335326831 134066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know the answer to my question relating to category theory? Also, are you able to solve either of my Pokemon Card puzzles? < 1335326844 677302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I looked at them earlier, don't really want to look at them again < 1335326847 792414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not < 1335326875 903682 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 NICK :MSleep < 1335327158 399480 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1335328326 5624 :ellisonch!~celliso2@chucky.cs.uiuc.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335329170 20916 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335329297 714027 :ellisonch!~celliso2@adsl-76-199-14-212.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335329359 217286 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335331352 297818 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1335332350 996100 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1335332376 149725 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335332649 281353 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335336412 934146 :impomatic!~digital_w@108.171.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1335337003 337885 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :/win 23 < 1335338295 3967 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean by alternation? < 1335338304 405677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What is that? < 1335338376 101041 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the thing starting with / is probably the command in coppro's client to switch to another ... thingy (channel or other thing, "window" I guess) < 1335338401 205292 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing coppro use irssi and having a vague recollection that irssi does that seems to reaffirm my belief < 1335338417 26448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/win some, /lose some. < 1335338430 694069 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's short for /window < 1335338442 930308 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :complements are usually not allowed in regexps, because the whole beautiful point is that out of building operations, intersection and concatenation emerge by magic. < 1335338474 593816 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi lets you type unambiguous prefixes of its commands. < 1335338486 152978 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, that doesn't quite explain it. < 1335338502 313629 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause /n is /nicks, but there's more commands starting in n. < 1335338513 390138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because /n is a (default) alias. < 1335338515 145893 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, /names < 1335338535 574704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But /win isn't one, presumably because it doesn't need to be. < 1335338565 241552 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, unambiguous prefixes plus some aliases. < 1335338569 322177 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, actually makes sense. < 1335338622 179693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, you can't use unambiguous prefixes of aliases. (Well, maybe it's not that sad.) < 1335338625 329273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is a ASCII DELETE sign before the slash < 1335338740 65798 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame that's not getting rendered nicely here. < 1335338757 732082 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterly invisible, in fact. < 1335338762 805369 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq < 1335338770 622233 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a something there < 1335338771 857253 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, shachaf. < 1335338777 707658 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :007F? < 1335338787 814099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1335338789 349505 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or 667F, anyways < 1335338797 875205 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what 667F is < 1335338801 672327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ASCII DELETE code is 007F < 1335338838 181259 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And U+667F is 晿 < 1335338866 6229 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't my listofUnicodecharacters have U+667F? < 1335338873 4801 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a bunch of others. < 1335338888 338999 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why are my fonts broken? < 1335338894 155880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably omits the CJK space for convenience. < 1335338895 705175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't show important characters like ಠ. < 1335338914 443468 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has *some* CJK characters. < 1335338927 231228 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, looks like it's mostly radicals and strokes and such. < 1335338928 187553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i unicode big indian < 1335338944 105542 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop reading the Fark Politics tab < 1335338959 217570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: alternation = A or B < 1335338963 907780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sleep deprived. It is 1:30. I see no connection between these two facts. :P < 1335339045 360348 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i,i < 1335339122 396764 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now I want to start a store selling various mind-altering substances just so I can call it the Psychedeli. < 1335339131 643503 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently that name is taken. Never mind. < 1335339271 833931 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think of "I,I" as an owl face. < 1335339402 783877 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too! < 1335339454 862169 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1335339461 632636 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :owl < 1335339465 911795 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, excellent. < 1335339476 782053 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it still work with lower-case 'i's? < 1335339480 388891 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it sort of does. < 1335339489 160961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about an owl specifically < 1335339491 587266 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a face anyway < 1335339608 849760 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ı,ı < 1335339666 409261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is it daylight saving time in your area? < 1335339677 124926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unfortunately! < 1335339718 276334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is why you are sleep deprived, then. < 1335339746 703442 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DST initiated weeks ago. < 1335339765 569245 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still hate the misanthropic bastards who keep it alive, mind you. < 1335339781 762525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like daylight saving time < 1335339836 129483 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if everyone just used 12:00 to mean GMT midnight < 1335339854 175286 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more fiddling with timezones, I mean < 1335339888 623943 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd see a sudden influx of unicorns farting rainbows, and manly men weeping tears of joy. < 1335339898 150670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then it may correspond approximately to the hour angle of the sun, I guess (hour angle of sun is 00:00 at solar noon) < 1335339921 745643 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming by GMT you actually meant UTC. < 1335339971 886573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It corresponds to the Greenwich hour angle, not the local hour angle anymore < 1335339972 409871 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid my computer hates mean solar time, regardless of the meridian used. < 1335339988 440936 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm somewhat uncertain as to the difference? Something to do with leap seconds? < 1335340016 981987 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: GMT is defined as the mean solar time at Greenwich. < 1335340017 660512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timekeeping on computer should be signed 64-bit UNIX time in my opinion. < 1335340029 887668 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1335340046 219703 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, wait < 1335340054 896869 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's UTC then? < 1335340088 314189 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC is defined by TAI, International Atomic Time, with leap seconds to keep it within a second of the mean solar time at 0° longitude. < 1335340118 493187 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1335340149 852229 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike GMT, UTC has the nice property that one second is an SI second, not a 60th of a 60th of a 24th of the day, whatever the hell that ends up actually being at the time. < 1335340175 499647 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1335340187 363657 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am aware that a second is defined in terms of ... some atomic thing < 1335340192 917496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the SI second is better < 1335340197 620409 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with cesium, iirc? < 1335340203 508996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI units are usually better in general < 1335340208 217732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1335340275 453315 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the period of time from some number of cycles of the light emitted from cesium during one of its electron transitions. < 1335340645 172992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were you looking for setup program for Visgopher? I do have it available now. < 1335341468 441934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "listofUnicodecharacters" equals UnicodeData.txt, "[t]here are nine special ranges of characters that are represented only by their start and end characters, since the properties in the file are uniform, except for code values (which are all sequential and assigned) -- CJK Ideographs (U+4E00 - U+9FA5)" < 1335341993 556086 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235039209.elblag.vectranet.pl PART #esoteric :"Wychodzi" < 1335342936 169213 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335344451 876496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there is already a stoner-themed sandwich shop chain < 1335344488 306112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chebahut.com/ < 1335344530 813895 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/sub-shop-driver-hits-pot-hole/article_eb8e9f25-ed3e-551a-8bad-64638cd94d2c.html < 1335344568 484798 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1335344577 720421 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1335344580 477137 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sighs" = "size" < 1335344674 159104 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of Random Standard Time? it's a local dialect of EST where 00:00 through 05:59 are spelled as 24:00 through 29:59 < 1335344709 832719 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am not sure if RST switches to EDT or if it's called Random Daylight Time then) < 1335344712 241930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is the purpose of that? < 1335344733 646121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to shift the day rollover to a time when people are less likely to be awake < 1335344757 213272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that might be a reason < 1335344772 522104 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid confusion between "day" as an aligned 24h interval and "day" as a contiguous period of wakefulness < 1335344799 564491 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sighsof(shachaf) < 1335344829 110217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, use it if it helps you; because of the way the time is written, it is clear what is meant and should not result in anything ambiguous. You simply add hour after midnight same way both ways < 1335344980 104177 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That sounds like a good name for a website where I list C-related annoyances. < 1335345071 281902 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1335345106 766917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1335345116 569888 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Julian Assange has a talk show now and it's on Hulu < 1335345140 885171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you back in MA? < 1335345159 764844 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1335345176 519013 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flight tomorrow afternoon < 1335345183 683651 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Californiamusicthing over? < 1335345188 337615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1335345191 634888 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it good? < 1335345205 88038 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1335345224 302722 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting home from it: car train bus train train cab bus train train plane bus train < 1335345227 327324 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not optimal < 1335345238 144343 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not recollect ever having used the word "yeah". Odd. < 1335345260 58879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw Godspeed You! Black Emperor live < 1335345266 857600 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to tell when the soundcheck ends and the set begins < 1335345380 490745 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling the ptrace gremlins and their time machine are making the API worse every time I look at it. < 1335345399 432364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a lot of good shows < 1335345403 931929 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Black Keys were excellent < 1335345438 66114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wish I didn't not-stand almost all music with drums in the background. < 1335345453 833157 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other times I feel smugly superior about it, because if you don't enjoy something, then why not?) < 1335345487 726992 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not milk it for some smug superiority, you mean? < 1335345498 881323 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1335345515 159238 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't like it then it's obviously bad, and people who do like it are obviously bad people. < 1335345553 963882 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it works < 1335345808 498528 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this episode, Julian Assange and his guest prank call David Horowitz at home < 1335345820 377412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he repays them by unleashing a stream of weapons grade crazy < 1335345960 548427 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1335346121 146959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assange just watches with this face like, "trolled" < 1335346177 324027 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would repeat some of it here but i think it would count as trolling-by-proxy < 1335346260 596518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1335347114 542737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really funny if you ignore the fact that Horowitz is serious and there are millions of people who agree with him < 1335347404 720723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an actual spec for D? < 1335347447 698550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Horowitz and what are these prank calls about? < 1335347529 118758 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually a prank call < 1335348363 790120 :cheater_!~cheater@g230224181.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1335348410 818647 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8ACAA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335348554 112710 :cheater!~cheater@g231035251.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1335349321 327636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Quit: I am not actually a prank call. < 1335351754 559532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335353576 237971 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335353976 27333 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8ACAA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335354473 420230 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-238-115.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335354538 583461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335356089 829455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1335356090 659844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1335357380 699030 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335359666 59016 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335359817 626053 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1335360083 319694 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Quit: Hug~♪ < 1335360089 264574 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335360089 337313 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1335360089 337474 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1335360115 452369 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Client Quit < 1335360438 917584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1335360551 286091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13:35: I slept for 17 hours. < 1335360552 661199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14:18: ion: hey i did that a few weeks ago < 1335360552 733579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14:27: 18 is my record < 1335360560 503459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oklopol: mine's 21, iirc < 1335360849 113117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:45:21: Assuming by GMT you actually meant UTC. < 1335360852 903433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GMT is UTC these days. < 1335360858 810285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:56: What would happen if everyone just used 12:00 to mean GMT midnight < 1335360858 882895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:44:14: No more fiddling with timezones, I mean < 1335360860 814236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be terrible. < 1335360869 566784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:46:28: pikhq, I'm somewhat uncertain as to the difference? Something to do with leap seconds? < 1335360869 753834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:46:56: Sgeo: GMT is defined as the mean solar time at Greenwich. < 1335360876 42576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sgeo: No, it is not. < 1335361074 747497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i saw Godspeed You! Black Emperor live it is hard to tell when the soundcheck ends and the set begins < 1335361084 661402 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :846) i saw Godspeed You! Black Emperor live it is hard to tell when the soundcheck ends and the set begins < 1335361175 829702 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.226.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335361308 6341 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1335362598 691934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahahahaha what < 1335363384 945310 :yasar!~yasar@139.179.194.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335363991 757113 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335364156 298414 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1335364172 442469 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335364362 255184 :ellisonch!~celliso2@adsl-76-199-14-212.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335364367 478092 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where fizzie < 1335364368 23439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat oklopol < 1335364370 483499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@where fizzie < 1335364380 386540 :ellisonch!~celliso2@adsl-76-199-14-212.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335364412 757800 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's been botlooping? < 1335364495 865570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm oklopol < 1335364499 244866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1335364502 737020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where sdlkfjdsf < 1335364502 919599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about sdlkfjdsf. < 1335364506 603234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ fizzie I know nothing about fizzie. < 1335364506 782883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will remember. < 1335364525 448441 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where elliott < 1335364526 35197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is thumbing around Northumberland < 1335364536 760743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ elliott I know nothing about elliott. < 1335364536 886766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1335365586 578965 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where Phantom_Hoover < 1335365586 843499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about phantom_hoover. < 1335365594 38145 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA MY SECRET REMAINS SAFE < 1335366086 515767 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a.k.a. union < 1335366102 154660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree < 1335366140 187526 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any secrets < 1335366145 224909 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me anything < 1335366151 829991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what's a robot < 1335366162 494475 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a robot < 1335366163 703160 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1335366165 753975 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1335366174 250449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10306696/what-does-parse-error-with-mean < 1335366174 454672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10303904/why-is-there-a-parse-error < 1335366175 867982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1335366186 324384 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not just a robot, he's also the definition of robot < 1335366203 662336 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Will DJGPP run on my brand-new Acme i986DX7/900 PC with a SCSI-III 10-Terabyte disk drive under MulticOS/42 v7.99 operating system?" < 1335366261 926740 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would you learn the syntax of a language when there's forums though < 1335366280 430378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's not the worst part, the worst part is that the exact same person reposted the exact same question /after getting answers/ < 1335366288 671524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after responding to those answers < 1335366301 527220 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i assumed i was seeing things < 1335366312 671317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that a lot < 1335366326 688375 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do or think you do? < 1335366381 82787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1335366400 159893 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1335366453 390769 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a set, the sense that answer makes does not contain a point which, as a singleton set, is open. < 1335366469 818736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/set/topological space/ < 1335366776 718959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, dude on numb3rs solved the riemann hypothesis < 1335366793 183902 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.128 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335366794 685157 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudde. that's cool it's hard. < 1335366989 694240 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the 17-hour sleep, i was awake for a few hours and then slept for 12 hours. ಠ_ಠ < 1335367004 371332 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1335367005 806371 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1335367012 587209 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335367036 442325 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you do that a lot? it could be a sign of you being a sleepyhead. < 1335367332 705603 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these duddes want this duddes proof of the riemann hypothesis so they could factorize large numbers and break encryptions. < 1335367346 57091 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how silly that is < 1335367462 187795 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the fact that they now know that things based on the riemann hypothesis actually work means they can convince their hacker bosses to start using these algorithms instead of the known ones < 1335367492 412183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, someone proved it? < 1335367502 161369 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1335367506 41099 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did someone "prove" it. < 1335367509 648340 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there is some relevant context < 1335367512 721020 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you may be missing < 1335367525 249798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1335367527 280461 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is. < 1335367559 445912 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the proof is in a proof checker and it does efficient factorisation as a crucial step? < 1335367627 442368 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he tells a guy at american journal of number theory that he has an "almost finished" proof, the journal guy is all like omgomgomg i have to see this, finally we have the answer by this dude who couldn't finish his phd, I HAVE TO SEE THIS. < 1335367679 815077 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he actually outline the proof or anything. < 1335367700 171362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is he just like "guys guys guys I totally have a proof you can trust me I'm from TV". < 1335367705 32864 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the journal guy didn't mention getting any concrete proof < 1335367733 256263 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that there's proof < 1335367777 135392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematician announces proof that he has a proof of the Riemann hypothesis" < 1335367815 15260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1335367850 511864 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proof of proof of Riemann hypothesis declared 'flawed', 'bullshit'." < 1335367866 406446 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ZKP of the Riemann hypothesis would be kind of a dick move X-D < 1335367878 831732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = mathematician announces proof that he has a proof of X < 1335367899 678680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: don't you just mean a non-constructive proof < 1335367931 286939 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZKP? < 1335367944 834321 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he doesn't, because only constructivists would care then. < 1335367948 13074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-knowledge proof i think < 1335367948 890962 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I mean if said mathematician had a way of proving that he had the proof, without providing the proof (which is probably not meaningful) < 1335367953 386054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh < 1335367954 445934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uhhh < 1335367955 945706 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, zero-knowledge proof is what I meant. < 1335367962 29607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Never happened before. < 1335367966 86218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you realise constructive proofs are useful for more than ideology right < 1335367966 791709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1335367969 442978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you an algorithm < 1335367975 760946 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335367995 223886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-constructive proof of P=NP would be so anticlimatic < 1335367998 393113 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An algorithm is... hardly useful for the Riemann hypothesis. < 1335367999 43136 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were reading this article where we prove that some things are decidable < 1335368003 532115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the proof is fine and well < 1335368008 214233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can use it to factorise numbers!! < 1335368009 600491 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i ask, erm so what's the algo < 1335368013 395692 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Idonno, it would spark a hunt for a constructive proof. < 1335368014 195200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can /already/ calculate non-trivial zeroes to our satisfaction. < 1335368015 517098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*numb3rs < 1335368015 780424 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we had no idea. < 1335368030 839989 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we then extracted it ofc < 1335368045 356192 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, "anticlimatic" means "against the climate" < 1335368058 765708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335368072 756503 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what about my nonconstructive proof of the existence of a proof or disproof of the Riemann hypothesis? < 1335368080 746211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, a non-constructive proof of P=NP would destroy the environment? < 1335368087 34002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335368111 492215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's useful nonconstructively < 1335368116 538479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it proofs ~(~proof /\ ~disproof) < 1335368118 192984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proves < 1335368128 337128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1335368130 361803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*useful constructively < 1335368140 247510 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, his proof of riemann hypothesis was wrong < 1335368145 8044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :realism < 1335368160 447142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've totally used my proof. < 1335368166 272203 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's too hard to even claim to have a correct proof in a tv show :D < 1335368169 448561 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW I'm not totally sure that it's valid.) < 1335368184 427136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh what is your proof then < 1335368193 916697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even proving, is it just "RH isn't independent of ZFC" < 1335368197 892624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even i can prove that < 1335368205 210176 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It basically relies on zeta(z) = 0 being decidable for all z.) < 1335368212 620291 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know enough analysis to be sure of that.) < 1335368217 899859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is decidability relevant? < 1335368231 140062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need decidability to condition on an equality in ZFC < 1335368234 309339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existance of a proof or disproof is equivalent to decidability? < 1335368291 713724 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how do you enumerate the complex numbers? < 1335368294 544429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decidability of what < 1335368317 626646 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing (wait this is decidability I'm talking about right not something else). < 1335368326 795112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, do you have to? < 1335368355 787624 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm perhaps just a dense subset since it's analytic < 1335368370 53770 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, what does density have to do with it? < 1335368387 429974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a thing?? < 1335368394 45407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what you're talking about at all < 1335368398 928944 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you talking about checking numbers z and evaluating zeta of z to some precision? < 1335368435 246368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no, I just don't actually /know/ how you decide whether zeta(z) = 0 for arbitrary z. < 1335368438 778550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1335368443 488581 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there's some fairly consistent procedure. < 1335368444 896609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume RH is independent < 1335368469 947521 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you give the z as input < 1335368471 356383 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1335368475 724947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-trivial zero in ZFC+RH must be a zero in ZFC+~RH because the zeta function is the same in both, q.e.d. < 1335368476 472390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1335368486 382012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't hold, because the value of the zeta function at that zero could be independent < 1335368494 231970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be fun < 1335368518 145126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is what I'm talking about. < 1335368531 10160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't know, throw a dart at a dartboard and map its position to C?? < 1335368547 139491 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you'll get a computable number? < 1335368570 431234 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, I forget how the reals ruin everything. < 1335368575 290438 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving the hypothesis in a measure 0 set. < 1335368577 314612 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. < 1335368602 813154 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT < 1335368627 159088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1335368634 39563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take the reals as countable < 1335368640 761528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :job done < 1335368648 604529 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a countable model of ZFC < 1335368661 923160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a model of ZF¬C in which real numbers are a countable union of countable sets. < 1335368666 337497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do the proof in ZF~C < 1335368700 66228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the countable sets are {3,4}, {4,5,6,7,8}, {nullity, 2nullity, 3nullity}, and {8}) < 1335368741 17896 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 . < 1335369381 121799 :augur_!~augur@206.196.184.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335369391 553809 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.128 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335370073 465798 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313CA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335371074 90742 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and here less is considered to be more than more" < 1335371235 113634 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1335371669 991954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> LT < GT < 1335371670 900694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1335373443 856132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335373721 240766 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1335373879 108756 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313CA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1335373952 752639 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335373954 625411 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 NICK :elliott < 1335373956 914098 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.229.194 QUIT :Changing host < 1335373956 986541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1335375251 791812 :spaceships!~spaceship@host-69-145-155-63.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335375279 354271 :impomatic!~digital_w@108.171.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1335375956 821379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is spaceships?? < 1335375977 292955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi spaceships < 1335375978 918695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome spaceships < 1335375982 81777 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaceships: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1335376096 791960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/Names_from_a_high_order_Markov_Process_and_a_simplified_Katz_back-off_scheme what a title < 1335377537 547876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/163026/what-is-your-least-favorite-syntax-gotcha has been at 9 delete votes for the past, like, week < 1335377682 703533 :Sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've seen similar questions that were interesting < 1335377699 327409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, all those questions are ancient and crap < 1335377708 136083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ridiculous "favourite programmer cartoon" one < 1335378120 120284 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1335378210 16386 :augur_!~augur@206.196.184.128 NICK :augur < 1335378261 616547 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen zzo38 lately? < 1335378320 640857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he comes in waves < 1335378347 302239 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1335378381 924908 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand < 1335378447 950553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is sometimes away for a while < 1335378451 88716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then back again < 1335378568 371827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's like the tide. < 1335378696 305569 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes up and down 2 times per day? < 1335378770 518409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The zzo wave equation. < 1335379347 944421 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is zzo38's height affected by moon? < 1335379421 141661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1335379524 71141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically speaking, all of our heights are affected by the moon, just not very much. < 1335380370 158734 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also affected by our velocities, as well as that of anyone observing. < 1335380409 929025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether Lancycummins is a spambot. < 1335380559 890943 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether elliott is a spambot. < 1335380565 805361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally he is like a superwave < 1335380617 612295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1335380645 265296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BAN < 1335380944 644102 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381016 148977 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335381396 39233 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381396 919661 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335381630 520149 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381645 319633 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381645 391959 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335381789 630775 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381802 522493 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335381819 255292 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381819 327820 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335381869 503087 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1335381879 273766 :TheFogg!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1335382314 598689 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335382322 565961 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1335382399 878495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1335382452 454885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en "This is a human-readable summary of the Terms of Use." < 1335382557 296769 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335382566 324882 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1335382589 87280 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/fi "Tm on helposti luettava yhteenveto kyttehtojen sisllst." < 1335382615 713600 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the world coming to < 1335382677 143062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call finnish human-readable? < 1335382725 957392 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote they call finnish human-readable? < 1335382728 963180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) they call finnish human-readable? < 1335382793 129070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335382794 36228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335382795 97430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335382797 123869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335382799 70087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335382804 638142 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :377) Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle. < 1335382805 144574 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: they don't call it human-readable. Translated to english:" < 1335382807 621360 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :257) !bfjoust test (-)*10000 Score for Vorpal_test: 12.9 yay < 1335382814 224364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747) Even the Spanish Inquisition is in this game. zzo38: was it unexpected? Kind of... < 1335382823 987822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :116) ooh a test to see your procrastination hotspots ill do it later < 1335382824 526995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :19) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1335382855 342366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :377 or 116, I think < 1335382863 38273 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"+"This is easily readable summary of terms of use" < 1335382863 583683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shall find bekkler! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1335382892 307321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well thats good of them :-D .. but the english version does literally say human-readable < 1335382914 598373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must mean they think the finnish is easily readable by non-humans < 1335382944 410253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. finns? < 1335382951 465057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: which one is the worsto ut of that set? < 1335382953 57905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*worst out < 1335382987 351556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm 116 gave a chuckle here < 1335382992 566036 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Empä nyt sanoisi että me emme olisi ihmisia < 1335383010 887799 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ei saa peittää < 1335383013 974141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 377 < 1335383017 561920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Lymia, I don't know what that is but I want to hit you for it on principle. < 1335383019 637401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, boo < 1335383032 108434 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Bubo? < 1335383032 645240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :peep? < 1335383056 518479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wor < 1335383056 876826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1335383058 616072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*word < 1335383064 445386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worries me that a terms of use document might ever take a non human-readable form < 1335383087 84990 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: was that google trandlate finnish "It is not allowed to cover" < 1335383097 824933 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*translate < 1335383102 836772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: no, it's what it says on radiators < 1335383128 837587 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1335383164 451993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i included the equivalent statement from the finnish terms of use for curiosity.. but it was really the english one i was worried about.. < 1335383174 186532 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it can be translated to "covering is not allowed" < 1335383346 261255 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok on google i get 44,300 results for +"This is a human-readable summary" so i will just let this one go < 1335383403 478364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335383405 662711 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 1.3 billion results for summary, does not look good for the humans < 1335383407 509006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1335383418 827361 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it means rather than lawyer-readable < 1335383438 61907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite amusing < 1335383439 194999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1335383451 167830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION saw a ping in #esoteric and started typing "hi elliott" before checking who it was from < 1335383451 256978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ is a human-readable summary of Esolang's content licensing < 1335383474 960000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are also machine-readable versions of CC licenses < 1335383490 772204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is an attempt to abuse the DMCA, in that removing them would be circumventing a technological watermarking measure < 1335383511 159952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err? that is a CC license < 1335383513 84961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1335383516 622896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine-readable < 1335383677 105487 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long before Lancycummins makes either a spam page or a BF deriviative? < 1335383729 975201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very first BF derivative spam page < 1335383787 446744 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a difference anymore < 1335383859 971406 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1335383960 638159 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My least favorite syntax gotcha: >[ //do stuff... ] When I intended: [ //do stuff... ] < 1335384115 347654 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335384195 754720 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at pidgi.net 15:17, 23 April 2012 Lancycummins (Talk | contribs) New user account < 1335384255 574554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what language is that? < 1335384260 330905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :objective C? < 1335384263 250708 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops... < 1335384272 367171 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my last 2 posts were unrelated from each other < 1335384294 327339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I know, I was refering to the syntax gotcha one < 1335384297 661701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: brainfuck with colourful illegal c-style commenting < 1335384399 532176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what pidgi.net is. < 1335384400 129717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the .'s that make it illegal, not the // < 1335384404 829577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1335384419 189236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unless it's a header comment < 1335384419 549698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's probably a spambot, but can't access the database to find out. < 1335384436 836469 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually lancycummins is all over the net < 1335384438 381994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you tried visiting it with a web browser? < 1335384445 92257 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing nothing :-s < 1335384445 184196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1335384450 741964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yes, seemingly 0 posts everywhere < 1335384461 798516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (after I said that) < 1335384513 508089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, who uses MediaWiki as a file repository? < 1335384578 345503 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-84-180.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1335384651 85419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably at least one person < 1335384659 370537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, at least one < 1335384669 449618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia specifically have a speedy deletion rule to stop people steganographically embedding files in images they upload and using it as a file server < 1335384694 272769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1335384731 507699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably it happens often enough that they need a rule against it < 1335384782 79692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found something! http://www.okaymark.com/user/history/lancycummins/ < 1335384810 18477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: oh, good < 1335384813 695707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we can preemptively ban a spammer! < 1335384844 622157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just because we can doesn't mean we should! < 1335384879 46443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but this spammer seems to rarely do anything on most sites! < 1335384883 54345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deletion script might miss it! < 1335384941 942570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mephitic < 1335384946 64086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :842) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes < 1335385731 941946 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-57.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1335385758 929132 :boily!~boily@modemcable235.198-70-69.static.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1335386030 294897 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335386031 487366 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335386032 641360 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335386033 777107 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335386035 146075 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335386038 190049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :229) vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too < 1335386045 425408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :205) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle. < 1335386045 586879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1335386049 592045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :154) it was too difficult < 1335386062 538526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :347) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed < 1335386062 626277 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. < 1335386072 600520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 154 < 1335386077 134993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* it was too difficult < 1335386161 541586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quote seems awful < 1335386169 796254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been funnier in context but I doubt it < 1335386242 927217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i added it < 1335386243 391727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1335386408 529713 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335386438 280198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1335386439 836080 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1335386619 991071 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have I told you you're now capable of walking, and you can sort of say a couple of words? < 1335386628 365753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: thanks, I wasn't aware < 1335386665 989147 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you're potty-trained yet. < 1335386679 150951 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, congratulations on the walking thing. < 1335386685 254111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was difficult but i tried < 1335386686 386188 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many kids never get to that stage. < 1335386741 968375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you /sure/ we can't block lancycummins? < 1335386773 11809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it looks a little like admin abuse even if it isn't < 1335386777 961802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, Graue probably would have done < 1335386788 681772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going to leave a comment on the user talk page linking to the evidence < 1335386806 792967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case it's probably fine < 1335387097 424430 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8ACAA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335387683 902911 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313CA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335388213 458122 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335388213 534426 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@ppp-70-251-232-47.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net QUIT :Changing host < 1335388213 534552 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1335388225 8199 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.128 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335389227 831968 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335389335 674076 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335389992 885837 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1335390077 968634 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335390297 30145 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1335390979 80735 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1313CA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1335391780 40911 :yasar!~yasar@139.179.194.63 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1335392960 574140 :Foggalong!~Joshua@cpc12-shef11-2-0-cust44.barn.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335393206 549543 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335393275 572269 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1335393493 949763 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSODed... < 1335393525 997076 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd've booted into Linux but it won't boot at all. < 1335393556 1140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just reinstall for christs sake < 1335393594 637404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hello < 1335393600 897696 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have useful data? Or does reinstall not mess with that these days, im stupid < 1335393673 210285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the data first obviously < 1335393678 198330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know how to do that i disown you < 1335393734 318247 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in #arch suggested downgrading the kernel package from a live disk. < 1335393734 708677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem often isn't getting the data, but finding somewhere to store it while you reinstore < 1335393737 210516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reinstall < 1335393752 659801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#arch? < 1335393755 219337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the arch channel < 1335393758 13394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he has a windows partition < 1335393771 756616 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes elliott obviously I didn't go there. < 1335393775 211743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: get the latest live medium, boot it, pacman -S irssi on the second terminal, log in here, report to me < 1335393799 494256 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a pretty neat representation. < 1335393800 290579 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how do you expect me to get it onto the Windows partition. < 1335393815 602658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the lambda calculus one? < 1335393821 34187 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335393827 289533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: with one of the writable ntfs drivers? < 1335393828 78929 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the few snippets I saw of the conversation. < 1335393828 170400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1335393830 280119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :via USB media < 1335393834 144802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Right. < 1335393848 858852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds horrible to use in practice. :-) < 1335393850 962289 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Useful data' here means 'data it took large amounts of time to download'. < 1335393851 928105 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's pretty neat. < 1335393857 123554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm... not sure why. < 1335393866 197309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need some rank-2/existential for parsing it. < 1335393872 872537 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, rebooting. < 1335393874 811643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not strictly true. But it practically is. < 1335393876 827641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Don't. < 1335393879 704844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: How big is the data? < 1335393899 281431 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... several gigs, in all probability. < 1335393906 369236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Do you have live media that can contain it? < 1335393907 602606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1335393909 983403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*portable media < 1335393923 770895 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :potable media < 1335393929 147332 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers! < 1335393936 768434 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, portable nor potable. < 1335393949 33390 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is saying "cheers" in an American accent the worst crime one can commit? < 1335393952 228701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: is it really that important < 1335393953 383569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1335393969 823082 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing my accent isn't very American, then. :-) < 1335393974 188116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the worst crime the other can commit? < 1335393984 185121 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's similarly rhotic. < 1335393990 569540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is the point. < 1335394011 309511 :cswords_!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1335394012 814314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if I had a South African accent. :-( < 1335394013 87653 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that and the general inconvenience of rebuilding all the configuration means I'd rather fix rather than reinstall. < 1335394030 593507 :cswords!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1335394047 718554 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ah, but with which rhotic consonant? < 1335394054 462141 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Very Important, is that. < 1335394074 100347 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You mean which 'r' I use? < 1335394080 116751 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1335394086 531650 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Isn't South African English generally non-rhotic? < 1335394098 929121 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think so. < 1335394110 220266 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My accent isn't South African or anything.) < 1335394134 690709 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it's anything.) < 1335394145 842864 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What *is* your accent? "Hard to classify"? < 1335394153 85337 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(∃a. accent(shachaf,a)) < 1335394156 396397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a guess < 1335394158 20229 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ten different rhotic consonants; different accents use different ones. < 1335394188 889917 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not sure how I'd classify it, but I'm bad at accent classification in general. < 1335394207 237758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've never used that LC representation in practice. Maybe I should. < 1335394228 71683 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Hebrew speaker figured out that I speak Hebrew from my accent once, but I don't think it's a very typical one. < 1335394250 11959 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you want you can call me and I'll accent at you! < 1335394263 279217 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm slightly sick right now, so that changes it further. < 1335394288 709560 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-native accents are pretty hard to classify. < 1335394333 738135 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I once spoke with shapr on the phone. < 1335394339 557597 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're lucky it'll be one featuring mostly patterns from the native language because of, say, learning the language from someone else with the same native language. < 1335394344 362036 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once told I had an Irish accent. < 1335394347 850190 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're unlucky it'll be a weird, mismatched mess. < 1335394362 334713 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was after my accent had morphed into pan-RP. < 1335394365 14478 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "my native language" is also a hard one to place. < 1335394373 239236 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you happen to, say, be a Hebrew speaker learning English from a German speaker. :P < 1335394388 591528 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that the first language I spoke was English, but then I decided to forget it when I was ~3 and didn't relearn until I was ~10-11. < 1335394408 817256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : :( < 1335394437 766349 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: If it was an American, don't be surprised. < 1335394443 747169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what are the official languages of the country in which you spent most of your childhood living? < 1335394445 180478 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not. < 1335394454 519218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: German, Swahili and Lojban < 1335394466 236964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I choose not to believe you < 1335394468 909286 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was another Scot (who himself had a pan-RP accent, it's more common than you'd think in Edinburgh). < 1335394474 93772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1335394476 20853 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Hebrew and Arabic? < 1335394489 284257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't hear many *different* sorts of accents from the UK, so consider yourself doing well if they can identify the constituent country it's from. < 1335394506 973147 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: _Pygmalion_ is a good play. < 1335394523 767184 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better than e.g. _My Fair Lady_. < 1335394620 838425 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pygmalion < 1335394624 114055 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :618) It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo. Also lesbian. < 1335394739 556248 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about distinguishing Ireland and Scotland, you guys can do that, right? < 1335394769 122333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's an interestingly religiously charged combination < 1335394788 1055 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then ais523 found out about Israel. < 1335394815 973772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I am aware of its existence, and thought that that would be the most likely place in the world to have that sort of combination < 1335394833 696082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hebrew is basically a dialect of Lojban anyway < 1335394868 982635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Spirit Mirror Pendant: Wearer gains experience points 25% faster.” Cool, except that now i have trouble deciding which character to give it to. < 1335394882 710707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335394883 955698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335394885 537422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335394886 953537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335394888 570435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1335394902 329331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :640) Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov < 1335394904 257846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: unless you're speedrunning, whoever in your eventual squad currently has the lowest experience and doesn't need the points for anything else < 1335394904 441818 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :802) Why does CL get called functional? it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic. < 1335394913 694104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Only with the more stereotypical accents. < 1335394922 310743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :798) elliott: the new fnord elliott: what is the point? nothing changed. < 1335394922 493677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :491) aibohphobia The fear of palindromes < 1335394924 492474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :548) i am out of all the fame loops and the australien soap opera loops so much loop / s omcuh < 1335394934 558216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you'll hit "rhotic -> flip a coin". < 1335394970 526496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In Grimrock every character seems to gain experience at roughtly the same rate. So i should figure out which one gaining more experience would be the most useful for me. < 1335394971 81958 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, Israel has *quite* a religiously charged combination going on. < 1335394975 147014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :491 is not original, and not massively funny < 1335394983 658726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really like 548 either < 1335394996 882061 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, bringing the light of other peoples' jokes to the world. < 1335394999 485672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 798 is not two sentences from different contexts, it's awesome < 1335395004 103649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's cheating < 1335395028 451750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they were within <3 minutes of each other < 1335395032 848376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without much being said in the interim, IIRC < 1335395038 886789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's OK, I think < 1335395043 52786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cut out the interim lines because it was too good to pass up on < 1335395057 973760 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Joke? What? < 1335395060 935516 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Ah, right. < 1335395068 517324 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Think I missed your line in there. < 1335395080 901769 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but I still totally did it better. < 1335395088 738368 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT COMPETE WITH MY DRY BRITISH WIT < 1335395109 70203 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in a contest of wits. < 1335395128 848076 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i’ll give it to the mage. < 1335395141 553307 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to challenge you to a contest of GUNS, EAGLES, BARBECUE, AND PATRIOTISM! FUCK YEAH! < 1335395223 731207 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8ACAA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1335396490 945750 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1335396736 740122 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1335397251 228249 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1335397529 73664 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Does my style remind you of God? < 1335397540 481220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly < 1335397546 560846 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about you? < 1335397907 771407 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-246-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1335397946 176095 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ∎ < 1335397957 954509 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said my style reminded him of God. < 1335398047 787552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection