00:01:54 <elliott> monqy: Is an ancient robe worth trying on?
00:02:36 <ion> For a heavy armor guy, i’d try it out of curiosity (have a scroll of remove curse or read detect curse first). For a robe guy, definitely.
00:02:44 <shachaf> You might want to wash it first.
00:03:15 <ion> shachaf: elliott likes other people’s clothes unwashed.
00:03:30 <elliott> You finish putting on the cursed -1 robe of Folly {-Cast Int-5 Curse}.
00:03:30 <elliott> Oops, that feels deathly cold.
00:03:49 <elliott> This will go well with my cursed ring of teleportation.
00:04:02 <ion> Remember what i said about having a scroll of remove curse?
00:04:04 <shachaf> elliott: id yoha ve emove curse?
00:04:08 -!- elliott has left.
00:04:25 <shachaf> I think elliott is trying to teach me not to do that.
00:05:03 <ion> You could ssh to the crawl server and ask him that in game.
00:05:32 -!- elliott has joined.
00:05:33 <shachaf> He doesn't answer my Cruestions.
00:05:38 <elliott> ion: Take a glance at my game.
00:05:50 <ion> elliott: nice
00:06:03 <shachaf> Are you fighting Pistachio?
00:06:27 <shachaf> That was a tough nut to crack, eh?
00:07:03 <shachaf> I guess you had to draw him out of his shell first.
00:07:41 <shachaf> (not good at pistachio puns, please send help)
00:07:57 <elliott> 01:07 <Henzell> eustachio[3/3]: Beware his glorious mustache! Not to be confused with pistachio.
00:16:07 <kmc> it occurs that https://github.com/kmcallister/qoppa is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here
00:20:51 <elliott> Thank you for your minimal contribution to the channel!
00:21:11 <elliott> Oh, we have another new member of the wiki who doesn't know how to use preview.
00:21:25 <elliott> And they made a brainfuck derivative.
00:21:27 <ion> It occurs that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language is kind of an esolang and so i should mention it here
00:21:45 <elliott> "The language utilizes cellular automation" It... does?
00:22:08 <elliott> "The language utilizes a cellular automation. The automation evolves in a data structure known as the Nevermore, hence, the language's name. The structure is a bit array of length 8 with an initial value set to 0 [0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0]."
00:22:10 <elliott> I think we're being trolled.
00:22:23 <shachaf> ion: [[Finnish language]] is too eso for my taste. :-(
00:23:55 <elliott> If anyone wants to go on a ride, start at http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Nevermore&diff=next&oldid=32178 and keep hitting "newer edit".
00:26:17 <elliott> kmc: You realise Scheme has functions to support alist munging ,right?
00:26:25 <elliott> bind could be a lot simpler (although you'd need to change (var binding) to (var . binding)).
00:34:54 <ion> elliott: I entered the Lair, but i think i’ll stop for now.
00:35:15 <kmc> i did not realize that
00:35:20 <kmc> which functions?
00:35:33 <elliott> kmc: I'm not sure which one I was thinking of looking at bind.
00:35:39 <elliott> kmc: But it definitely has an insert-into-alist function.
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00:37:38 * elliott started to play but then immediately quit.
00:37:42 <ion> It is a [[brainfuck]] derivative designed to be as difficult and obscure to program in.
00:37:46 <ion> You accidentally the comparison.
00:46:34 <ion> <…> so given that this is math 12, does it need to be conanical form?
00:46:36 <ion> <ion> O’Brien?
00:50:21 <shachaf> ion: That's a fancy '\'' you've got there.
00:50:45 <shachaf> Nonsense. We speak ASCII in here.
00:50:57 <shachaf> O'Brien was clearly the best person in _1984_. He knew what was up.
00:51:45 <elliott> kmc: "So apply takes the uglier approach of quoting each argument to prevent double-evaluation."
00:51:46 <ion> Given that this is #esoteric, shouldn’t we speak something like EBCDIC here?
00:51:52 <elliott> kmc: FWIW, I think the solution to this is to simply drop apply.
00:52:02 <elliott> It's not a very meaningful operation on operatives.
00:52:55 <elliott> Oh, by the way, if anyone wants to read ais523's post on the Planar NetHack AI with the pictures, it's up at http://esolangs.org/planar/.
00:53:04 <elliott> Long-term validity of URL not guaranteed.
00:53:35 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 17:53:34 2012
00:53:35 <kmc> elliott: well, can you get rid of 'apply' in the interpreter?
00:53:38 <kmc> without nastiness?
00:53:46 <elliott> kmc: Probably. I'd have to see where it's used. Was that in the post?
00:53:51 <kmc> i agree it's not meaningful on operatives; my 'apply' will produce nonsense if you use it on a not-applicative
00:54:03 <elliott> If you're going for Scheme polyglotting, then yes, you'll need something silly like that.
00:54:10 <elliott> That's because Scheme doesn't use operatives :P
00:55:43 <kmc> i don't know if it quite counts as polyglot
00:55:50 <kmc> but yeah, that's almost the whole point of the article
00:56:06 <pikhq> Huh. Early OS X development releases were actually for the IBM PC.
00:56:18 * elliott would just write a metacircular evaluator and a separate Scheme interpreter.
00:56:21 <elliott> But that's no fun, I know.
00:56:45 <elliott> pikhq: This thing? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/IBM_PC_5150.jpg
00:57:23 <pikhq> elliott: No, the later 32-bit IBM compatibles. Obviously.
00:57:59 <pikhq> But there's no other damned way of referring to that hacked-up arch.
00:59:02 <elliott> The edits just keep coming in.
01:02:31 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(:)!(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())(:)!((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^
01:02:32 <fungot> 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time!
01:02:57 <Madoka-Kaname> ^ul (:(1)*(:(2)*(:(3)*(:(4)*(:(5)*(:(6)*(:(7)*(:(8)*(:(9)*(!~:^)))))))))):(~^~(~a~*~a~*)~a*^:(0)*)~a*~:(a(:^)*())~*a(:^)*~()~(0)((!^~)())((:(~:(,)*S~^!^)~a*^:^~!a~^*a*)~a*^:^):^
01:02:58 <fungot> 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597, ...out of time!
01:04:03 <kmc> elliott: well the claim is that you can start with a tiny fexpr language and produce something with enough syntax to be usable for 'real programming'
01:04:18 <kmc> (ignoring the LOLPARENTHESES crowd)
01:04:21 <elliott> You don't necessarily need to make your interpreter valid Scheme for that, though.
01:04:27 <kmc> it makes the claim stronger, though
01:04:50 * elliott wasn't dissing the article, just saying I'd drop apply were I making my own operative-based language.
01:05:00 <kmc> i didn't think you were dissing the article :)
01:05:21 <kmc> if i were making my own operative-based language i might suck it up and have primitive wrap/unwrap like Kernel
01:05:45 <kmc> but for the demonstration, that gets in the way of "omg eval is only three lines"
01:06:02 <elliott> I don't like wrap/unwrap at all. I'd rather build the evaluation logic into lambda.
01:07:10 <Sgeo> Lazy Newb Pack comes with alternate keybindings
01:07:26 <Sgeo> And other stuff that seems like it would be useful on more than just Windows
01:07:32 <Sgeo> monqy, for Dwarf Fortress
01:13:59 <elliott> Sgeo: ok by stock i mean "stock with dwarf therapist" but that's it
01:14:00 <Sgeo> elliott, I'll be fine with the guide on the wiki, right?
01:14:07 <elliott> yes, the wiki guide is good
01:14:21 <elliott> (and you won't need dwarf therapist until you get a bunch of dwarfs and need to futz about with micromanaging the labours)
01:14:44 <Sgeo> I don't wanna micromanage labour
01:14:58 <elliott> ("labour" is a technical term here)
01:15:07 <Sgeo> I know what it means
01:18:28 <Sgeo> Need to fix the sound
01:19:10 <kmc> your dwarfs are unionizing?
01:19:32 <elliott> could just play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04 in the background
01:19:34 <elliott> since that's the only sound
01:20:17 <Sgeo> elliott, YouTube is crap for me
01:20:46 <elliott> Sgeo: the mp3 or ogg or whatever file is in the game directory somewhere :P
01:20:59 <Sgeo> Hmm, that's fine
01:21:12 <Lumpio-> Wait, that music was actually in the game?
01:21:33 <elliott> Lumpio-: That's what plays constantly in a loop throughout a game of Dwarf Fortress in Fortress mode, yes.
01:22:06 <elliott> Are you implying you haven't played DF? :(
01:22:11 <Sgeo> Argh, what settings do I use to make DF be decently large?
01:22:21 <Sgeo> I know I've done it before
01:22:21 <elliott> Sgeo: You press the maximise button.
01:22:40 <elliott> If you mean font size, you probably don't want that any bigger, or it'll be difficult to see enough at once.
01:22:48 <Sgeo> I changed the WINDOWEDX and WINDOWEDY and curses thing
01:23:04 <elliott> Sgeo: What's wrong with maximise?
01:23:10 <Lumpio-> I watched somebody play it on youtube
01:23:28 <Sgeo> elliott, that I've done it before without maximize and maximize means harder to chat at the same time
01:23:40 <elliott> Lumpio-: It's not really as micromanagey as it looks.
01:23:44 <Sgeo> Also, I don't like smiley faces
01:23:47 <elliott> Some people play it like that but they're boring.
01:23:52 <Sgeo> Little smiley faces
01:23:58 <Lumpio-> Also the whole "view one horizontal level of the world at once" thing looks confusing as hell.
01:24:03 <elliott> Sgeo: You'll end up maximising it anyway. And they come as beards by default.
01:24:07 <Lumpio-> It would benefit from modern 3D graphics, at least above ground
01:24:15 <Lumpio-> But I bet they're too lazy to implement that.
01:24:17 <elliott> They say that about roguelikes.
01:24:32 <monqy> tbf df is uglier than roguelikes
01:24:35 <Sgeo> elliott, no they don't
01:24:36 <elliott> It's a deliberate design decision; Slaves to Armok: God of Blood (the game to which DF is a sequel) was 3D.
01:25:09 <elliott> Sgeo: If they don't, you've configured something brokenly.
01:25:19 <elliott> Are you running it with terminal output or something?
01:25:27 <Sgeo> elliott, I am not
01:25:56 <Sgeo> And it was the same when I installed via Lazy Newb Pack on a school computer with no graphics set
01:26:12 <elliott> Well, the default smilies do have beards. Admittedly it looks kinda like ":D" if you don't know they're beards.
01:26:15 <Sgeo> And it was the same when I played DF a long time ago and changed a configuration option to fix it
01:26:49 <elliott> Hmm, wait, that's how it looks in CP 437 too. Well, whatever, for the purposes of DF they're beards.
01:26:52 <ais523> hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers?
01:26:57 <Sgeo> I should make the water levels show up
01:27:01 <ais523> as in, you put a .ogg or whatever in and get a .mid out
01:27:09 <ais523> there's one in the repositories here but it doesn't actually work
01:27:18 <ais523> elliott: that's pretty unlikely to work
01:27:23 <elliott> It'll work as well as anything else.
01:27:25 <elliott> Have you seen recent changes?
01:27:48 <ais523> and this should not be a massively hard problem, I've been considering writing one myself if there aren't any
01:28:04 <elliott> I recommend viewing them all in order for the best experience.
01:28:25 <elliott> (You have to set ?limit=100 to see all of them.)
01:28:47 <ais523> someone should tell them about the preview button
01:28:55 <ais523> my RSS feed bunched them into 7 changes
01:29:06 <ais523> the really hilarious thing is, I don't think they removed the BF instructions yet
01:29:30 <ais523> I guess I could just look at the page to make sure
01:29:36 <ais523> also, that language reminds me weirdly of Malbolge
01:30:10 <elliott> ais523: it's best to view the changes in order
01:30:29 <ais523> I can't tell at a glance whether it's harder or easier than Malbolge to program in, that's probably a good thing
01:30:30 <elliott> and ends up in weird half-way states along the way
01:30:36 <elliott> also, you know who gets to tell them about the preview button? :)
01:33:04 <ais523> <Slashdot> Xamarin has just announced that they got the Java part of Android ported to C# via machine translation.
01:33:10 <ais523> oh boy, the comments on that one are going to be great
01:33:26 <ais523> (it puts five different fanboy/troll factions in conflict)
01:33:54 <elliott> ais523: hey, what would happen if I pointed TAEB at a Crawl server?
01:34:13 <Sgeo> elliott, anything wrong with curses square?
01:34:24 <ais523> elliott: it /might/ manage to start a game, but it would error out as soon as the game started due to not being able to parse its stats
01:34:28 <elliott> Sgeo: square fonts are bad
01:34:32 <elliott> make text difficult to read
01:34:35 <ais523> and even then, you'd need to put the class/race in the RC file
01:34:52 <ais523> oh, hmm, that wouldn't work either, it'd just replace it with a NetHack RC file, which would cause Crawl to spew warnings
01:34:53 <elliott> ais523: can't I just make it assume things about the stats if it can't parse them? :)
01:34:57 <ais523> elliott: in short, go for it, it'll be hilarious
01:35:00 <ais523> and no, that's not how TAEB works
01:35:14 <ais523> I was working on my own Crawl bot using TAEB technologies, but didn't get very far
01:35:27 <ais523> due to problems trying to parse things like items; it was surprisingly hard to get it to chop and eat corpses
01:35:42 <elliott> how hard is it to get TAEB running?
01:35:55 <elliott> I'm a bit scared about all the dependencies, given that it's a bit bitrotten by now
01:36:16 <ais523> we fix the dependency bitrot every several months
01:36:29 <ais523> so the bitrot is rarely all that bad
01:36:38 <elliott> then why is the last repo commit a year old?
01:36:47 <ais523> last time we tried, it wouldn't run on my machine but would on other people's
01:36:53 <ais523> and wrong repo, I guess, are you taking it from my repo?
01:37:14 <ais523> https://gitorious.org/taeb/ais523
01:37:14 <elliott> (also, how long does it take to install all the deps?)
01:37:35 <ais523> maybe 20 minutes to half an hour, faster than that if you aren't on a netbok
01:37:53 <elliott> any known OS X–related problems?
01:37:56 <ais523> hmm, I should really put the dependency list in the repo
01:38:03 <ais523> elliott: it hasn't been tested on OS X for several years
01:38:24 <elliott> which of Planar and whatever the default AI is called are most likely to fail less :)
01:38:27 <elliott> or fail more entertainingly
01:39:27 <ais523> you should try to get Demo working first before doing anything else
01:39:39 <ais523> but TAEB won't reach the point the AI is called anyway, if you run it on a Crawl server
01:39:58 <elliott> bah, the time vs. fun assessment is rapidly going in the wrong direction :)
01:40:15 <elliott> you should write a nethack bot that can cope with absolutely any screen it gets
01:40:38 <ais523> the /correct/ behaviour upon encountering a screen never generated by NetHack is calling a human for help
01:41:05 <elliott> no, it's marching on cluelessly
01:41:12 <ion> elliott, ais523: Ooh, the NetHack AI is cool.
01:41:25 <elliott> ion: referring to the post I linked?
01:41:32 <ais523> ion: "the" is possibly a bad article; there are two major frameworks and three major AIs
01:41:55 <ion> http://esolangs.org/planar/
01:41:57 <monqy> have any of them won
01:42:05 <ais523> ion: TAEB::AI::PLanar is mine
01:42:09 <ais523> monqy: none of them have got near
01:42:17 <ion> I’d love to see a video capture of that in action.
01:42:31 <ais523> autorobin's got much further in Crawl than any of the NetHack AIs have in NetHack
01:42:35 <elliott> you could probably request one for one of the TVs
01:42:50 <ais523> monqy: the reason is that Crawl is a much more straightforward game than NetHack
01:42:55 <ais523> it's a lot more about not typoing than about actual thought
01:42:58 <elliott> NetHack has a lot more special cases than Crawl
01:42:59 <ais523> so it suits bots quite well
01:43:12 <elliott> and the kinds of spoilers it has are the kinds that bots can't learn, IMO
01:43:14 <ais523> also, Crawl has felids, and Trog
01:43:22 <monqy> ais523: is nethack about actual thought
01:43:32 <elliott> it's about looking up spoilers
01:43:38 <ais523> FeBe is a really really good combo for bots, because it's balanced and yet incapable of using most items and all spells
01:43:41 <elliott> Crawl is about looking up monster stats
01:43:43 <ais523> monqy: it is sometimes, but only if you play badly
01:43:45 <monqy> are any roguelikes about actual thought :(
01:44:17 <elliott> Dwarf Fortress is about dwarfs in a fortress
01:44:20 <elliott> robotfindskitten is about finding kitten
01:44:21 <ais523> elliott: ADOM is about crazy complicated triggers that have effects hundreds of thousands of turns later
01:44:40 <elliott> ADOM is about ancient domains of mystery
01:44:50 <ais523> Crawl needs monster spoilers or you die; ADOM needs plot spoilers or you find you've made the game effectively unwinnable a week later
01:44:55 <elliott> NetHack is about hacking the net
01:45:16 <ais523> no it isn't, that's Uplink
01:45:43 <ais523> hmm, so what I will do, is upgrade all relevant modules, just as I recently upgraded Perl
01:46:05 <ais523> and then bug #moose (or ##moose perhaps) for help, if I can't fix the obvious problems myself
01:46:08 <ais523> time for a bit derotting
01:46:18 <elliott> ais523: should I try and write a Crawl bot? (N.B. there's a fair chance that if I do this I'll never go back to playing Crawl normally, which I enjoy
01:46:25 <ais523> elliott: anyway, I just committed dependencies.sh
01:46:36 <ais523> I'd say get sick of Crawl first, /then/ write the bot
01:46:54 <ais523> I'll even lend you Brute's source code if you like, so you can skip the fiddly parts like dgl login
01:47:06 <elliott> ais523: I was going to do the Lua script thing
01:47:09 <elliott> since Crawl already has scripting hooks
01:47:22 <elliott> and then move to a standalone thing once it outgrows that
01:47:26 <ais523> they had to ban autorobin, eventually
01:47:36 <ais523> because it runs on the server, and it used 25% CPU
01:47:39 <ais523> elliott: kindly ask people to stop running it
01:47:57 <elliott> monqy: guess who's playing normal crawl
01:48:06 <Sgeo> elliott, where is SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS?
01:48:16 <elliott> Sgeo: dunno, but don't bother turning it on
01:48:41 <ais523> elliott: I don't know if elliptic's actually playing, it's a guess
01:48:49 <Sgeo> elliott, wait, what?
01:48:53 <monqy> elliptic isn't playing
01:48:54 <ais523> you implied that you were quite strongly, so it /wouldn't/ be a guess
01:49:07 <elliott> has ais523 seen me playing crawl
01:49:25 <elliott> oh boy, a cursed amulet that I don't know what it is is around my neck
01:49:32 <elliott> I'm sure it must be something really helpful
01:49:38 <monqy> why did you put it on
01:49:46 <elliott> i didn't know it was cursed
01:50:03 <monqy> amulets tend not to autoid
01:50:15 <elliott> you never know, it might be helping me
01:50:31 <monqy> and it probably woulnd'nt help you at this point eithr
01:50:35 <elliott> how much str for plate armour again
01:51:31 <elliott> maybe i should go light armour this time
01:52:25 <elliott> monqy: it was probably an amulet of get killed by terrence
01:52:34 <ais523> hmm, perhaps I should make another serious attempt to win Crawl, because I feel I can't insult it properly unless I've actually won it
01:52:42 <ais523> but I just know I'm going to end up hating it again
01:52:44 <ais523> more than usual, I mean
01:53:00 <elliott> I started playing so I could authoritatively dislike it
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01:53:11 <ais523> elliott: it takes a while
01:53:19 <monqy> see my hate is justified because i've won
01:53:19 <elliott> that's still the plan, it's just that the dislike is going to be less than my baseline level of dislike for roguelikes
01:53:21 <elliott> which wasn't what i was expecting
01:53:26 <elliott> (note: that still doesn't mean i'll like it)
01:53:44 <elliott> it irritates me less than nethack when i die at least
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01:54:02 <ais523> it's the other way round for me, but possibly because I'm better at not dying in NetHack
01:54:15 <ais523> when I do die in NetHack, unless it's very early game it typically feels like my own fault, unlike in Crawl
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01:54:31 <elliott> well, 99.99% of all my roguelike deaths are YASDs
01:54:45 <elliott> but with nethack there's the spoiler element; with crawl it's my fault for blindly attacking $powerful_thing
01:54:52 <elliott> with nethack, it's "my fault" for not knowing $stupid_spoiler
01:55:05 <ais523> elliott: this is why #nethack exists
01:55:15 <elliott> they're both death-by-not-reading-spoilers, but NetHack's are more annoying
01:55:28 <elliott> ais523: I want to play a roguelike, not IRC :)
01:56:27 <elliott> "You could also have learned any of this by viewing the in-game item description."
01:56:32 <elliott> monqy: help, henzell is bullying me
01:58:25 <monqy> shachaf: what's the concern
01:58:45 <ais523> OK, you know what's annoying? when you see what seems like a meme in various places but it isn't on knowyourmeme.com and isn't turned up by a websearch on its name
01:59:07 <monqy> maybe it isn't a meme
01:59:22 <ais523> monqy: indeed, but in that case the coincidence is still annoying, and you still have no idea what people were referring to
01:59:25 <shachaf> The modern usage of the word "meme" on the Internet.
01:59:38 <shachaf> Whoever came up with that ought to be removed.
01:59:42 <Gregor> <ais523> hmm, anyone, perhaps Gregor, know of any good free MIDI desynthesizers? // define "desynthesizer"
01:59:48 <elliott> Gregor: he does so several lines later
01:59:54 <ais523> Gregor: something that takes synthesizer output and produces a MIDI file
01:59:59 <ais523> MIDI synthesizer output, that is
02:00:07 <ais523> i.e. the inverse operation of a MIDI synthesizer
02:00:25 <Gregor> No, all the ones I know of are truly awful.
02:00:39 <ais523> I thought that might be the answer
02:00:48 <elliott> ais523: why doesn't nethack have tab?
02:00:51 <ais523> can't be any worse than scolily, the only one in the repositories, unless they actually contain malware or the like
02:00:54 <Gregor> The fundamental problem is that distinguishing overtones from tones is infeasible, so you have a sensitivity parameter, and no sensitivity parameter ever works usefully.
02:01:10 <ais523> Gregor: oh, I came up with a cunning plan for that
02:01:20 <shachaf> elliott: NetHack has that key.
02:01:33 <elliott> Tryocmyol sounds like a medicine.
02:01:59 <ais523> lowest frequency must be a tone, then overtones are multiples of that, the nth overtone tends to have an amplitude of 1/n or less compared to the fundamental, if it's more than that you have another tone
02:02:09 <ais523> this doesn't work on pulsetrains, but who uses those?
02:02:38 <Gregor> ais523: I've used WAON (the site for which appears to have vanished), and would not recommend it.
02:02:45 <Gregor> Oh wait, http://waon.sourceforge.net/
02:02:57 <ais523> Gregor: does it produce nonempty output? that's the problem I was having with scolily, that it wouldn't produce anything but a blank file
02:03:07 <Gregor> lol, well, it produces a MID, yes.
02:03:21 <ais523> also, that it took input only from the microphone, which was annoying
02:03:25 <Gregor> waon has the lovely property that if you turn its sensitivity WAY down, you can produce a MIDI file from human speech that will render recognizable human speech.
02:03:36 <elliott> They should make all species hunger work like ghoul hunger in Crawl.
02:03:44 <ais523> I managed to figure out how to configure pulseaudio to copy the speaker output to the default input
02:03:51 <monqy> elliott: what about mummy hunger
02:03:57 <elliott> monqy: that can stay how it is
02:04:00 <shachaf> Hmm, tab moves toward and/or attacks a visible monster?
02:04:09 <ais523> although, it seems to also copy timing properties if you do that; if nothing's going to the speaker, anything trying to read from the microphone freezes, UNIX pipe style
02:04:27 <ais523> which is brilliant but not if you're scolily and add a 4 second countdown from the microphone's timing source for no god reason
02:05:40 <ais523> Gregor: wow, their Ubuntu package is built against /gutsy/
02:05:43 <ais523> I think I'm going to recompile :)
02:06:16 <elliott> brace for Gregor Debian superiority
02:06:45 <ais523> no package in precise, either
02:06:49 <Gregor> Which should mean that it's not worthwhile.
02:06:55 <ais523> but that's not surprising given that they're offering a gutsy package on their website
02:07:03 <ais523> Gregor: well I'm going to try it anyway
02:07:21 <ais523> hmm, a /really/ good desynthesizer could probably reverse-engineer the soundfont
02:07:40 <Gregor> I'm going to get it just to remake some voice->midi->voice stuff, which is fun X-D
02:08:19 <elliott> _d - a scroll labeled TWAT ERACAPAC
02:10:05 * ais523 wonders why fftw depends on openmpi
02:10:37 <elliott> ais523: hey, what god would you go with for GhMo?
02:10:58 <ais523> elliott: needs a combat-character-oriented god; trog is out for obvious reasons
02:10:58 <monqy> just play ghck, shachaf
02:11:09 <elliott> ais523: hmm, which obvious reasons?
02:11:11 <shachaf> monqy: help, what's a ghck
02:11:16 <ais523> elliott: undead can't berserk
02:11:34 <elliott> trog offers more than that, but ok :P
02:11:44 <ais523> yes, but it's a serious nerf to lose one of his main abilities
02:12:06 <ais523> makhleb would work; yred would work, if you prefer that playstyle, but is a bit more niche than makhleb
02:12:25 <ais523> lugonu would work but is hard to end up worshipping in the first place
02:12:33 <ion> elliott: I’ll play a bit of Lair.
02:12:49 <elliott> ion: watching (bigterm is still sinful)
02:12:56 <ais523> a lot of gods won't accept you (fedhas, tso, ely, zin, beogh), which makes things easier
02:12:59 <elliott> ais523: if I wanted lugonu I could have gone GhAK
02:13:04 <elliott> (which is fun to pronounce)
02:13:08 <monqy> if you want yred, just play ghdk; if you want lugonu, just play ghak
02:13:30 <monqy> and yred ally management is annoying
02:13:35 <ais523> monqy: picking up a god at temple is often a good idea even if they're a starting god, because then you get benefits from a different background
02:13:46 <Gregor> Trying to find the perfect soundfont to render this in X-D
02:13:48 <ais523> if you're planning to cast, you could go sif or veh
02:13:56 <ais523> but those are bad ideas if you aren't casting
02:14:08 <monqy> ais523: monk benefits "you get the piety you would have gotten if you had just started with the god"
02:14:28 <ais523> monqy: that's quite a recent addition, so I forgot about it
02:14:41 <ais523> do monks have a better starting inventory than death knights, etc?
02:14:52 <ais523> if so, that'd be a big reason for mo over dk
02:15:11 <monqy> monk inventory is pretty plain
02:15:23 <ais523> elliott: you could also go nemelex, who is broken for all characters but needs both a lot of spoilers and a lot of patience to use correctly
02:15:35 <Gregor> http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.ogg IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL
02:15:36 <elliott> monqy has told me about nemelex and now i never want to play nemelex
02:15:39 <ais523> unless they fixed that, in which case he's just bad as it was the main point
02:16:01 <ais523> not a lot of options not considered, at this point, given that I don't consider xom a serious choice
02:16:06 <elliott> Gregor: Can I have that in MP3?
02:16:10 <ais523> oh, does ashenzari still exist? you could do that
02:16:12 <elliott> I can't play oggs here. :(
02:16:17 <elliott> ais523: Ashenzari still exists, yes.
02:16:39 <Gregor> http://codu.org/tmp/snd2mid2snd.mp3
02:16:41 <ais523> elliott: ashenzari is intended to be a low-maintenance god needing not a lot of concentration from the player
02:16:44 <Gregor> Firefox and Chrome both support ogg ;)
02:16:49 <elliott> (I theoretically have Perian installed, but it doesn't work.)
02:16:52 <ais523> not sure if they succeeded at that
02:17:10 <elliott> Gregor: Not sure what your definition of recognisable speech is X-D
02:17:20 <elliott> ais523: I ask because I went for Makhleb previously.
02:17:20 <ais523> kiku is a bad choice for a non-caster; and chei the devs can't decide how they actually want to work
02:17:23 <elliott> (On monqy's recommendation.)
02:17:26 <ais523> with the result that it changes a lot how he acts
02:17:36 <ais523> makhleb was a good recommendation, but I'd say go ash if you want a change
02:17:37 <elliott> Chei I can never take seriously because monqy laughed at it.
02:17:38 <Gregor> elliott: Recognizable /as/ speech.
02:18:11 <ais523> elliott: the problem with chei is that his fundamental idea is full of drawback, so they give amazing advantages to balance it out, and then nerf it whenever they look like they're actually helpful
02:18:12 <ais523> and this goes in cycles
02:18:34 <monqy> problem is the advantages aren't actually amazing, sorry chei
02:18:42 <ais523> monqy: they /used/ to be, remember the ubernaga thing?
02:18:55 <ais523> presumably he's in a nerf phase at the moment, based on what you're saying
02:19:06 <monqy> he hasn't really been buffed since then
02:19:28 <monqy> if you want more choices, there's okawaru, and uhh wow how am I forgetting everything
02:19:34 <Sgeo> monqy, elliott update
02:19:41 <ais523> oka's better for weapon-dependent characters
02:20:01 <monqy> ais523: how so? sure you get weapon gifts but
02:20:24 <ais523> monqy: and the other abilities are height and maste
02:20:33 <ais523> (used to be might and haste, but they mixed them up a bit)
02:20:34 <monqy> you mean heroism and finesse
02:20:53 <monqy> how do those work better for weapons than unarmed??
02:21:52 <ais523> finesse works badly on things with short delays, doesn't it?
02:23:04 <monqy> it halves attack delay. so minimum delay uc would go from what is it 5 to 3
02:23:27 <monqy> or maybe they use random rounding there now
02:23:40 <monqy> oh wait no they wouldn't since isn't 3 the hard cap
02:24:23 <ais523> monqy: it's the cap I was talking about
02:24:58 <monqy> anyway i don't see it as a significant deterrent from going oka on unarmed
02:25:10 <monqy> unarmed is stronger than most weapons anyway
02:25:18 <ais523> monqy: even with the aux nerfs?
02:25:26 <monqy> oh, they were nerfed recently?
02:25:46 <monqy> was it after being buffed
02:25:56 <ais523> oh, they were buffed again?
02:26:01 <ais523> I was talking about the nerf before that
02:26:09 <ais523> elliott: this is common with all sorts of things in Crawl
02:26:26 <ais523> heavy armour is the most famous, it was buffed and nerfed on alternate releases for five releases, possibly more
02:26:36 <ais523> meph is a bit of an exception, it only ever gets nerfed
02:26:59 <monqy> alternate releases?
02:27:32 <monqy> wasn't it nerfed in 0.6, buffed slightly in 0.7, buffed greatly in 0.8, maybe nerfed a bit in 0.9, i forget what happened in 0.10, 0.11
02:27:32 <ais523> monqy: nerf then buff then nerf then buff then…
02:27:45 <ais523> oh, perhaps I'm misremembering slightly
02:27:52 <monqy> i wasn't around for 0.5
02:27:59 <ais523> 0.5 it was easily the best build there
02:28:07 <monqy> yeah that's what I understand
02:28:09 <ais523> MDFi was the "win easily" combo recommended for beginners
02:28:14 <monqy> and it was a joke or something in 0.6
02:28:20 <elliott> ion: You can't say brb and then not tell me when you start again!
02:28:40 <ais523> elliott: /were/ you right back? if not, you were just disobeying his admonition and it was your fault!
02:28:46 <ion> elliott: “right” after i said it.
02:28:54 <ais523> if someone tells you to be right back, you should be right back!
02:29:00 <ion> Perhaps 5–10 10 seconds.
02:29:16 <ion> Err, more likely 10.
02:31:05 <ion> The time it took me to type ^SO/regeneration<enter>I#<escape>:wq<enter>p plus a few seconds of thinking time.
02:34:04 <elliott> 126 stones? That's a many stone.
02:34:16 <ion> You can have some of them.
02:35:44 <elliott> ais523: anyway, what do you mean Xom's not a serious option? :)
02:35:59 <ais523> elliott: his main purpose is to throw extra randomness into your game
02:36:06 <ais523> which in practice, means extra deaths
02:36:32 <ais523> xom helping you isn't very helpful as you can't rely on it, xom hurting you can be very hurtful as it can come at a time you really don't want it to
02:36:45 <elliott> monqy: listen to this boring dude
02:36:51 <Sgeo> Clearly, Xom best incorporates the DF motto
02:37:03 <elliott> nah, Xom is nothing like DF
02:37:12 <ais523> elliott: boring and serious are similar concepts
02:37:21 <Sgeo> Losing is Fun, I mean
02:37:22 <ais523> I said he wasn't serious; rather, he's the frivolous option
02:37:26 <ais523> so if you want frivolity, great
02:37:29 <elliott> with DF, it's the combination of a bunch of perfectly normal, logical, and measured aspects into a gigantic clusterfuck that kills you
02:37:37 <elliott> with Xom, it's just Xom that kills you
02:38:02 <ais523> Gregor: haha, wow waon is bad
02:38:06 <Sgeo> DF is a sequel?
02:38:18 <ais523> but it's /still/ not as bad as scolily
02:38:40 <elliott> Sgeo: The complete name of the game is Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress.
02:38:47 <Sgeo> Where's Chapter I?
02:38:55 <Sgeo> ...or wait, were you joking
02:38:58 <elliott> That's Slaves to Armok: God of Blood; http://www.bay12games.com/armok/.
02:39:19 <elliott> There's an #esoteric log where fizzie quotes I-think-mooz talking about his experiences with it.
02:39:31 <elliott> It shares the "excruciating detail about the state your various body parts are in" aspect with DF.
02:39:36 <elliott> But it's a single-player 3D RPG-style thing.
02:40:20 <elliott> http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/3549/armokky.jpg
02:40:43 <elliott> More screenshots: http://www.bay12games.com/armok/ascreens.html
02:41:12 <elliott> Sgeo: In fact, Dwarf Fortress was a rather infamously vapourware sequel; it was announced in 2002 or so, and came out in 2006.
02:41:40 <elliott> (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Millionth_topic_pool#Video_games)
02:41:40 <monqy> letting it sink in?
02:41:54 * elliott wonders what monqy is talking about.
02:42:00 <monqy> 19:41:30 < Sgeo> AFK
02:42:03 <ais523> Gregor: haha, WAON's output actually made timidity SIGABRT
02:42:39 <Gregor> ais523: Don't use timidity anyway, it is made of lame.
02:42:47 <monqy> ion: are you doing spiders
02:42:49 <Gregor> (Which is also lame, but in different ways)
02:42:57 <ais523> Gregor: waon's documented as a reverse of timidity
02:43:01 <ais523> so I'm round-tripping to see if it works
02:43:23 <Gregor> That is a rather silly way to document it X-D
02:43:46 <kmc> skeletonsskeletonsskeletons
02:45:28 * ais523 wonders what they test WAON on
02:45:37 <ais523> surely they've /noticed/ its output is unintelligible?
02:45:58 <ion> monqy: I think i’ll leave it for later. :-)
02:47:03 <ion> good point
02:47:15 <ion> ^rainbot ELIOT PRIDE
02:47:18 <ion> ^rainbow ELIOT PRIDE
02:47:20 <ais523> Gregor: btw, I just opened snd2mid2snd, you have a nicely musical voice
02:47:36 <ais523> can't make out what you're /saying/, though
02:48:58 <ais523> hmm, and I see what you mean about the competitors; one is commercial, runs only on Windows and Irix, and was last developed in 1998, and the other was hosted on geocities (and not archived by reocities)
02:49:08 <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:22 <elliott> `addquote <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:25 <HackEgo> 850) <monqy> moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
02:49:53 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro.
02:50:27 <Gregor> elliott, ais523: You have to try to listen to the incidental sound instead of the primary sound, if you focus on the actual pizz then it's unrecognizable, but if you listen for the resultant reverb, the voice is more noticeable.
02:51:02 <elliott> It makes good avant garde music, though.
02:51:11 <elliott> You should get an orchestra to play it.
02:51:20 <ais523> so, hmm, I wonder what it sounds like if you just track the fundamental
02:51:27 <ais523> as in, the lowest significant frequency
02:51:38 <ais523> that couldn't possibly be confused by overtones, although it probably gets confused by something else, like beats
02:52:11 <ais523> likewise, simply taking the strongest frequency would probably get you one of the melody lines
02:54:31 <elliott> ais523: Tell ion to go back to spiders.
02:54:33 <ais523> this problem is hard, but it can't be as hard as some of the solutions people are indicating is implying
02:56:56 <elliott> monqy: Tell ion to go back to spiders. :(
02:57:22 <ion> You go to spiders.
02:57:35 <ion> You go to spiders.
02:57:36 <elliott> I'm nowhere near spiders. You are.
02:57:51 <monqy> elliott: when you find spiders, will you go to it?
02:57:56 <elliott> B - the -2 pair of boots of Xom's Pride {rElec Str+2} (3 aum)
02:58:35 <elliott> monqy: I might train up a bit first, though.
02:58:41 <elliott> ion: Will you go back to them *sometime*?
02:59:01 <elliott> 03:58 <Henzell> spider nest[2/5]: Gear checklist: most importantly: rPois and or potions of curing; clarity is a big help against tarantellas; some ranged attack is a big help against orb spiders; escape items of course; with rPois there are plenty of corpses to eat, else bring food.
03:00:52 <ion> I’m tempted to join Jiyva, but Trog would instakill me. :-(
03:00:58 <elliott> Then go into the slime pits.
03:01:10 <elliott> Oh, you just said you were tempted to.
03:01:15 <monqy> ion: instant retribution is gone
03:01:22 <ion> monqy: Oh?
03:01:33 <ion> What does Trog do then?
03:01:39 <monqy> waits before retributioning
03:01:56 <monqy> ion: "one way to find out"
03:02:09 <ais523> ion: he still instakills you, just a bit later
03:02:15 <ion> So instead of me knowing when he’ll attack it will be a surprise? That sounds much better.
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03:02:32 <elliott> See, that sounds like fun.
03:02:39 <elliott> The jellies will protect you.
03:02:46 <Sgeo> Would reading a spellbook cause retribution, or just lost of piety, or what?
03:02:51 <elliott> 04:02 <Henzell> trog wrath[1/4]: ABANDONMENT: 50 penance RETRIBUTION: 50% summoning abjurable, but berserking hostiles from (iron troll, deep troll, rock troll, troll, black bear, grizzly bear, stone giant, hill giant, ogre, two-headed ogre); 33% weakening effect (decay, STR loss, paralysis, slowing); 16% fire miscast.
03:03:38 <elliott> I don't know, ion. You won't go into the Spider Nest, won't convert to Jiyva...
03:03:48 <ion> I can give you your money back.
03:03:51 <Sgeo> elliott, Xom is bored?
03:03:54 <monqy> which other lair branch did you get
03:04:19 <elliott> I don't like how ion can type ^O and I can't.
03:04:36 <ion> elliott: Remember what i said about Crawl’s architecture sucking?
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03:04:45 <elliott> No, mine is terminal architecture.
03:04:56 <elliott> Now go to slime or spider or snake. Or convert to Jiyva.
03:05:22 <ion> I’m still considering Jiyva. Too bad i can’t abjure.
03:05:23 <monqy> since when is lair not the epitome of interesting? yaey, green rats
03:05:41 <ion> Porcupines also!
03:06:02 <elliott> I'll pay you WHOLE MONEYS to Jiyva.
03:07:25 <elliott> You can't quit just before something interesting happens.
03:07:37 <ion> I’m considering sleeping.
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03:07:54 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Wed May 2 06:07:54 2012
03:08:00 <monqy> elliott: flipsidely, now you can do something interesting
03:08:09 <elliott> monqy: Do I ever do anything interesting?
03:08:23 <ais523> just rebooted, timidity seemed to have got permanently screwed up in a way that survived me killing the process and restarting it
03:08:25 <ion> elliott is playing as elliptic
03:08:29 <ais523> but rebooting the computer worked
03:08:37 <elliott> ion: How did you discover my alt???
03:08:37 <ais523> thus, I suspect Pulse is at fault
03:09:08 <ion> /nick ellion
03:09:10 <ais523> elliptic is one of those people, like Adeon, that it's impossible for anyone else to convincingly pretend to be
03:09:38 <elliott> ais523: I'm good at convincingly pretending to people who can't be convincingly pretended to be!
03:09:53 <ion> It’s trivial to pretend to be elliott. Behold:
03:09:54 <monqy> can people convincingly pretend to be me
03:09:59 <ion> s p i d e r s
03:10:03 <ion> SSPPIIDDEERRSS
03:10:30 <ais523> OK, so let me read this android-ported-to-C# story on slashdot
03:10:43 <ais523> so many possible troll and fanboy angles, it'll be fun seeing which one comes up first
03:11:18 <elliott> monqy: is there a max xl in crawl
03:11:44 <ais523> <tvtropes> arc number </tvtropes>
03:12:19 <ais523> first comment was about oracle, figures
03:13:38 <coppro> ais523: what else is there 27 of?
03:13:39 <ais523> second thread was about Microsoft patents
03:13:48 <ais523> coppro: max skill levels, dungeon levels
03:13:54 <ais523> and they're aiming for 27 races, backgrounds, and gods
03:14:05 <ais523> (even though this is probably a bad idea!)
03:14:09 <elliott> but the races and backgrounds are selected by letters!
03:14:14 <elliott> they'll need to add another letter to the alphabet
03:14:32 <monqy> i thought the "aiming" was a joke
03:15:05 <ais523> elliott: capital A (they've gone over 26 backgrounds before now)
03:15:21 <elliott> background is the yy in xxyy right
03:17:07 <monqy> have you decided a god
03:17:13 <elliott> what does ashe give you again
03:17:15 <monqy> you can search for altar and stare at the list
03:17:22 <ais523> elliott: ashenzari gives information
03:17:26 <ais523> and likes you to wear cursed stuff
03:17:37 <elliott> "Likes when you wear cursed gear" what
03:18:02 <ion> elliott: Drink the potion of mutation.
03:18:09 <monqy> ashenzari's the god who nailed himself to the sky
03:18:19 <ion> Oh, crap. Your race is wrong. –ion, the racist
03:18:31 <ais523> wait, there's an argument over the pronunciation of "C#", I didn't expect /that/
03:18:37 <elliott> it doesn't do anything for me
03:18:40 <ais523> I forgot there were flame wars /within/ the communities too…
03:18:47 <ion> ais523: Haha
03:19:10 <elliott> monqy: ok you pick ashe or thingy
03:19:11 <ais523> this may be the first submission I've read for a while with /no/ insightful unpredictable comments
03:19:18 <monqy> elliott: whats thingy
03:19:24 <monqy> elliott: and which gods have you seeen
03:19:38 <elliott> i already narrowed them down before??
03:19:39 <monqy> elliott: ^Faltar since you can't ^O
03:19:44 <ion> # in Finnish is informally risuaita, which translates to stick fence.
03:19:48 <ion> C stick fence.
03:20:38 <elliott> the curse thing seems uhhh
03:20:41 <monqy> elliott: you can try all of them across different games
03:20:41 <ais523> <zill> What do you mean by "you have to run Windows underneath Linux anyway"?
03:20:43 <ion> Vacuuming the dungeon for Nemelex might be fun for a while.
03:21:00 <ais523> I'm going to call Poe's Law on that conversation, there is no other way to explain it in 2012
03:21:03 <monqy> elliott: flip a coin with as many sides as you require
03:21:13 <elliott> monqy: is the curse thing weird
03:21:31 <ais523> ooh, and now an anti-C# thread
03:21:32 <monqy> elliott: ashe was added only after I mostly stopped playing
03:21:42 <elliott> hmm, dpeg wrote the post announcing them
03:21:50 <elliott> dpeg is the one who kicked ais523 right
03:22:17 <ais523> (fun fact: I typoed "ye6s", then corrected it to "yes", then decided to put the original typo back in)
03:22:22 <ais523> (I do'nt know why, maybe I'm tired)
03:22:39 <elliott> monqy: which god you pick :'(
03:23:26 <monqy> 17:41:46 < elliptic> ghoul of chei is pretty good, yes
03:23:34 <ais523> oh, and more fun facts: Java is 1.5 times slower than C, and C# is 7 times faster than Java
03:23:37 <monqy> see, even elliptic approves of ghoul of chei
03:23:41 * ais523 has a feeling that these facts do not connect with each other well
03:23:54 <monqy> less than 3 hours ago
03:23:57 * ais523 suspects conveniently selected benchmarks
03:23:57 <monqy> surely his opinion hasn't changed
03:24:02 <ion> Chei can be fun for a while, too.
03:24:10 <ais523> elliott: there is at least a 40% chance elliptic was trolling when he said that
03:24:12 <elliott> ais523: please tell ajzaff about preview...
03:24:29 <elliott> monqy: come onnnn ashe or makh
03:24:38 <monqy> don't make me choose!!!!
03:24:50 <monqy> make someone else choose
03:25:02 <monqy> can i phone a friend
03:25:32 <elliott> monqy: the friend can't be an RNG though
03:25:54 <ais523> elliott: OK I told him
03:26:01 <ion> NASA really knows graphic design. Those images are so pretty. http://colorusage.arc.nasa.gov/bkg_1.php
03:26:06 <monqy> elliott: ashenzari
03:26:11 <ais523> you can phone me, and I'll say ash
03:26:15 <monqy> elliott: ashenzari
03:26:25 <elliott> monqy: ok fine butthat was totally cheating
03:26:56 <monqy> I almost asked "ashenzari or makhleb for ghmo of chei" then corrected it then almost uncorrected it
03:27:21 <elliott> appending "of chei" to anything makes it better
03:27:27 <elliott> so i don't sacrifice corpses for ashey?
03:27:47 <monqy> 20:26:42 < elliott> i regret this already
03:27:50 <elliott> i wonder if leather armour of magic resistance is better than a +0 robe
03:27:52 <monqy> next game go chei to cleanse your soul
03:28:23 <elliott> (by "i wonder if" i mean "hey monqy, is")
03:28:44 <monqy> are you going armoures or what
03:28:44 <ais523> elliott: I read that as "hey, monqy is"
03:28:47 <ais523> it makes the sentence better
03:28:56 <elliott> monqy: im not sure "maybe light armoure?"
03:28:56 <ais523> not the ping on me, the previous of your lines
03:29:05 <elliott> i don't know what the light armour progression is
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03:29:33 <monqy> "robe -> spells -> thanks for going light armoures"
03:29:39 <HackEgo> Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:29:42 <elliott> monqy: not spells!! im not doing spells
03:29:47 <monqy> why not heavy it up!!!
03:29:50 <elliott> dragon plate things or something
03:29:56 <monqy> oh, medium armoures
03:29:56 <elliott> ok fine i'll heavy it up i hate this plate armour here but
03:30:05 <elliott> Reinu: also this channel isn't actually about crawl I just happen to be playing crawl sorry
03:30:12 <elliott> uhh by "i hate" i mean "i have"
03:30:21 <ais523> elliott: why not move the conversation to #nethack-offtopic?
03:30:32 <ais523> or, hmm, the -offtopic channel for some arbitrary large channel
03:30:40 <elliott> why not move it to #ubuntu?
03:30:49 <monqy> why not move it to ##crawl-dev
03:30:50 <ion> The -offtopic channel of #haskell-blah for instance.
03:31:01 <monqy> #haskell-blah-blah
03:31:18 <ion> No, #haskell
03:31:37 <kmc> the offtopic channel of #haskell is #esoteric
03:31:48 <ais523> kmc: that's surprisingly accurate sometimes
03:32:04 * ais523 checks if #esoteric-offtopic still exists
03:32:14 <Reinu> cool my nickname got a nickname
03:32:23 <elliott> monqy: does menkaure go upstairs?
03:32:36 <elliott> monqy: i mean, if it's not next to me
03:33:00 <ais523> hmm, this channel is currently silly and offtopic because the people in it are tired, rather than silly and offtopic because it's usually like that
03:33:29 <monqy> which channel is this again
03:33:33 <monqy> what's tired? not me
03:33:35 <elliott> this channel is always silly and offtopic
03:33:45 <elliott> _Ashenzari no longer supports your skills.
03:33:54 <monqy> you gain piety for exploreing
03:34:02 <Reinu> that's a good thing actually
03:34:09 <elliott> wow menkaure was a pushover
03:34:20 <monqy> welcome to ghmo "have a nice day"
03:34:26 <ais523> elliott: menkaure is like sigmund, a pushover except when he kills you at random
03:35:22 <ais523> Reinu: I'm normally happy to carry on an ontopic conversation if someone else starts it, though, as long as I can vaguely understand what it's about
03:35:46 <elliott> ais523 is the official defender of topicality
03:36:08 <elliott> sort of like being the official wedding priest at a satanist orgy
03:36:10 <Reinu> what is the oficial topic of this channel?
03:36:14 <ais523> esoteric programming languages
03:36:17 <elliott> 04:29 <HackEgo> Reinu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:36:45 <ais523> we finally discovered what the appropriate channel for the other sort of esotericisim was quite recently, after years of looking
03:36:54 <ais523> (so that we could send people who were in the wrong place there)
03:37:06 <Reinu> hahaha it seems i come in a good time
03:37:15 <HackEgo> This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
03:37:59 <ais523> hmm, clearly we need an esoterica-based esolang
03:38:07 <ais523> just to really confuse people as to which channel is which
03:38:48 <Reinu> weren't you looking the other channel to guide people there why would you like to confuse them now?
03:39:11 <elliott> we didn't look for it, someone else stumbled across it
03:39:23 <ais523> I think you help the newbies and confuse the regulars
03:39:31 <ais523> I'm a regular and I'm confused, that's a start
03:40:30 <elliott> ais523: meanwhile, john carmack answers a Stack Exchange question about a tweet he made
03:40:42 <ais523> was it a serious answer or a troll answer?
03:40:46 <ais523> it'd be awesome either way
03:40:48 <elliott> http://superuser.com/questions/419070/transatlantic-ping-faster-than-sending-a-pixel-to-the-screen
03:44:18 <ais523> serious answer for their audience, and trolling Sony a little
03:45:43 <elliott> monqy: 18 str for plate armour right
03:48:35 <elliott> heh, I don't autopickup remove curse any more
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03:51:26 <elliott> monqy: oh yeah, does ashe give me any abilities?
03:51:48 <monqy> scrying, reskilling
03:52:18 <elliott> OK, so nothing combat-wise
03:52:35 <elliott> hey, I could learn blink *and* mephitic cloud!
03:52:45 <monqy> blink isn't so bad
03:53:31 <monqy> controlled blink, however
03:53:36 <elliott> oh, isn't that what blink is?
03:53:58 <monqy> blink is more like lugonu's bend space
03:54:11 <monqy> but without hp loss etc etc
03:54:36 <ais523> blink has a random target
03:54:40 <ais523> which means it only saves you some of the time
03:54:43 <monqy> i have to be not here for a bit but i'll be back sometime
03:54:47 <elliott> ais523: you ruined monqy's haing!!!
03:54:49 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Tue May 1 20:54:48 2012
03:55:02 <ais523> elliott: so long as I don't ruin his hiing
03:55:33 <elliott> the fighting skill *does* give you HP, right?
03:56:09 <ais523> elliott: it used to; then they either changed it so that it was the only thing that mattered or so that it didn't matter, I can't remember which
03:56:24 <ais523> there was a huge debate about fighting being so much better than all the other skills
03:56:38 <ais523> and that reskilling was broken as a result because people would just dump everything into fighting
03:56:44 <ais523> but I can't remember how it was resolved
03:57:36 <elliott> woo, I have +2 plate armour
04:00:28 <elliott> monqy: gastronok is scary right
04:00:29 <elliott> 05:00 <Henzell> guru wisdom[3/24]: <monky> gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals
04:00:34 <Sgeo> elliott, monqy update bluh bluh
04:01:09 <elliott> ais523: I'm XL 9 and have chain mail, helmet, pair of boots, cloak, and unarmed combat at level 11.3
04:01:13 <elliott> should I run away from gastronok?
04:01:17 <elliott> there's a convenient upstairs
04:01:43 <ais523> if you can't kill him at range, and you probably can't
04:01:47 <elliott> should I bother closing the door on the way?
04:02:02 <ais523> it won't waste any time if you do
04:02:06 * ion opens eliot’s Crawl and sees Gastronok. Nice.
04:02:08 <ais523> you could probably even door-kite him, but that's ridiculous
04:02:18 <ais523> ion: "elliott" isn't spelt like that
04:02:34 <ion> eliot: How are you spelt?
04:02:36 <ais523> elliott: when you repeatedly close a door as a monster repeatedly tries to open it
04:02:53 <ais523> normally the monster wins due to speed randomization, but gastronok is pretty slow
04:02:56 <elliott> I'm just a bit worried that I'll run into him again when exploring the level
04:02:56 <ion> I don’t think that technique is reliable anymore since there’s some randomness in the movement times of characters.
04:03:02 <elliott> and it's far down enough taht I'd rather not just skip the level entirely
04:03:04 <ais523> hmm, now I have an urge to call an esolang "Elliot"
04:03:25 <ais523> gastronok's slow, you can just run away whenever he shows up
04:03:46 <elliott> OK, should I run away to the upstairs or just to another part of the level?
04:04:23 <ais523> I'd just go to another part of the level, but then I'm not very good at Crawl
04:04:31 <elliott> what would ion do? he's probably worse
04:04:31 <ais523> and don't normally run as far as I should
04:04:54 <elliott> never mind, I died to a centaur
04:05:02 <elliott> who gives those bastards that kind of gera?
04:06:15 <ais523> centaurs are a common monster to complain about
04:06:41 <ion> The next time don’t stay in the range where they can shoot stuff at you. If you can’t get outside that range quickly, melee them.
04:06:44 <ais523> the usual solution is to use spells (specifically, rmsl and later dmsl) in order to take the edge off centaur-type monsters, to the extent that they are arguably balanced against a player's missile repulsion
04:06:50 <ais523> and if you don't have the appropriate spells, sucks to be you
04:06:54 <elliott> ion: I was trying to get out of the way; and then trying to melee it
04:07:10 <ais523> it's not NetHack, you can't dodge projectiles by avoiding the compass directions
04:07:28 <elliott> ais523: I think they should just make them start appearing later, and keep the difficulty the same
04:07:36 <elliott> that way you'd have enough HP to offset their power
04:07:49 <ais523> HP doesn't work like that in Crawl
04:08:04 <ais523> in that monsters scale much faster than it does
04:08:39 <elliott> ion: Should I aplye again?
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04:18:33 <ion> elliott: yes
04:20:49 <ion> Boots suck.
04:24:14 <elliott> Is +2 ring mail better than +0 scale mail?
04:24:22 <elliott> Scale mail being one better than ring mail in general.
04:24:34 <ion> Look at your AC and EV
04:24:57 <ion> (AC is more important for a fighter.)
04:25:16 <ion> You see them in the default display.
04:25:40 <ion> Higher both is best.
04:25:54 <ion> But prefer AC as a fighter.
04:26:25 <ion> (Of course there are other things that matter, too. Wear a plate mail with no armor skill and fighting will be difficult.)
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04:29:17 <elliott> 05:29 <Henzell> grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky.
04:29:22 <elliott> I can't tell how serious this entry is.
04:29:34 <elliott> Guess I'll ask whoever it is that does monster info.
04:32:20 <monqy> oh no did you died
04:33:22 <elliott> IS GREY RAT SCARY ICANT TELLE monqy
04:33:27 <ion> Grey rats aren’t that bad IIRC.
04:33:30 <monqy> the one where you died
04:33:38 <monqy> because I wasn't around to save you, presumably
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> monqy: gastronok is scary right
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> 05:00 <Henzell> guru wisdom[3/24]: <monky> gastronok is like a titan but with less speed and lightning and more spammals
04:33:49 <elliott> 05:00 <elliott> thanks, monqy
04:33:51 <ion> Look at it with x. It seems to say how bad the monster might be nowadays.
04:33:59 <elliott> No, I died even though you were around to save me, inside Henzell. :(
04:34:15 <monqy> grey rat is like rat
04:34:27 <monqy> what did henzell say
04:34:31 <ion> You died because you ran back and forth and back and forth within the c’s shooting range. :-P
04:34:32 <elliott> 05:29 <elliott> 05:29 <Henzell> grey rat[1/1]: A much more formidable foe than the plain rats, grey rats can kill in the midgame. If they get lucky.
04:34:42 <elliott> ion: IT WAS A DANCE OF DEATH
04:34:54 <monqy> elliott: henzell isn't always reliable, see {butterfly}
04:34:58 <elliott> monqy: You should fix that learndb entry. :(
04:35:05 <elliott> monqy: That one's obviously joking.
04:35:09 <elliott> This one is less obviously so. :(
04:35:43 <monqy> I need a good quote overhyping grey rats before I edit {grey rat}
04:36:09 <elliott> OMG MY GREY RAT JUST KILLED EVERY MONSTER IN THE GAME AND THEN PERSONALLY STOLE THE ORB OF ZOT AND WON INSTEAD OF ME AND NOW I'M ITS PET INSTEAD
04:36:25 <elliott> also i'm wearing a helmet of clever
04:36:38 <monqy> elliott: consider learndb "improved"
04:37:03 <elliott> you forgot my quote though (please don't add my quote)
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04:37:27 <elliott> b - a +2 plate armour of magic resistance 1629 gold
04:37:32 <elliott> maybe i should rob a bank and then buy that
04:37:37 <monqy> plate of rC is better
04:37:44 <elliott> why is crawl's shop system boring you can't even steal
04:38:00 <monqy> I guess MR is better if you already have enough rC
04:38:05 <elliott> add them both to my shopping list
04:38:06 <monqy> for you rF would be best since you're ghoule
04:38:10 <monqy> no don't get them boooth
04:38:17 <elliott> i cant remotely afford them
04:38:23 <elliott> they cost approximately their full price more than i can afford
04:38:43 <elliott> remind me to remove those if i find plate armour i like
04:39:22 <elliott> hmm, i don't actually know how to get dump with sequelle
04:39:47 <monqy> !log is short hand for !lg with the -log argument
04:41:01 <elliott> looked harmless in the log
04:41:41 <elliott> sure could use a scroll of make everything ok righ tnow
04:42:37 <elliott> maybe i'm tough enough to just rush it with this hp
04:43:44 <monqy> if you're rushing it hit . instead of j
04:43:56 <monqy> do you have potiones
04:45:19 <monqy> probably a bad idea
04:45:26 <elliott> instead of rushing it i could
04:45:26 <monqy> could throw a dart
04:45:53 <monqy> it can only have so many hand axes, and orcs are weak
04:47:43 <elliott> i just don't like orc parties
04:47:43 <monqy> what happened to you
04:49:25 <monqy> normal, until dowan hastes duvessa or duvessa berks because you killed dowan, or dowan hastes because you killed duvessa
04:49:41 <elliott> i don't know why i said fast
04:50:09 <ais523> I never had a problem with them, but maybe that's just me
04:50:20 <elliott> maybe i'll try and kill them and
04:50:24 <monqy> if you kill dowan first and flee from the berk it will time out and duvessa wont berk again
04:50:34 <monqy> if you kill duvessa first, dowan will be upgraded forever
04:50:40 <elliott> monqy: fleeing berk sounds kinda hard
04:50:42 <elliott> ais523: i'm only xl6 though
04:50:55 <monqy> elliott: tele or carefully using stairs or meph or confuse etcetc
04:51:06 <elliott> monqy: well tele works but
04:51:09 <elliott> won't a few turns of berk kill me
04:51:11 <monqy> elliott: by carefully I mean "take the stairs before duvessa gets next to you"
04:51:23 <monqy> maybe if you're real squishy
04:51:33 <elliott> oh there's a downstairs right there
04:51:42 <elliott> inaccessible once i get fighting
04:51:58 <elliott> i was hoping dowan would come first
04:51:59 <monqy> usually they aren't that hard
04:52:20 <monqy> it only works if you lure them both or one of thems dead
04:52:37 <monqy> one fun thing to do is enslave one of them and get them to kill the other
04:52:49 <elliott> i don't want them both to be able to fire at me right
04:52:53 <monqy> I'v heard stories of polymorphing them into slime creatures and getting them to merge
04:52:58 <elliott> i don't really see how i could get to fighting dowan
04:53:08 <elliott> lured them both up the stairs and found a chokepoint and got lucky but
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04:53:35 <monqy> you don't have to kill dowan first
04:54:17 <elliott> they're squishier than i expected
04:54:18 <monqy> which getting them both almost dead then killing them both quicky is also a good plane
04:54:31 <elliott> when i encountered them like
04:54:52 <elliott> might well have been, actually
04:55:53 <elliott> i guess this might be ok if i train armour
04:56:14 <monqy> train armour is a good idea
04:56:26 <elliott> swap back for now and keep training armour?
04:56:28 <monqy> you don't want to use heavy armour if you don't train armour or it will just be awful
05:00:35 <elliott> armour or jewellery maybe???
05:00:38 <elliott> ais523: which should i acquire
05:01:23 <ais523> jewellery used to be the only decent acquirement
05:01:29 <ais523> perhaps armor acquirement has been fixed soon
05:01:36 <elliott> monqy: has armour acquirement been fixed soon
05:01:47 <ais523> oh right, Crawl has armour, NetHack has armor
05:01:58 <monqy> what was broken about it
05:03:15 <elliott> ais523: what was borkne ambout it :(
05:03:37 <monqy> you can ask ##crawl about acq; im not really aware of its current state
05:03:46 <monqy> other than misc is laughable and that's why you should acquire misc
05:03:56 <ais523> elliott: what you ended up acquiring sucked
05:04:05 <monqy> ais523: that always happens
05:04:08 <elliott> 06:03 <Henzell> acquirement[2/3]: Q: What should I acquire? A: Wand. Or armour, or gold. Or, in rare cases, staff or jewellery. Or, in really rare cases, like you decided to do abyss with no food, food.
05:04:13 <monqy> ais523: it's one of acquirement's design goals
05:04:32 <ais523> elliott: I guess armour, then, because presumably it's been buffed if it's mentioned as a good potion
05:04:35 <elliott> so glad i took 10 minutes to make that decision
05:04:40 <ais523> elliott: are they /good/ cloves/
05:04:56 <monqy> and on a ghoul no less
05:05:11 <monqy> looks like you just got crawl dev'd
05:06:00 <elliott> monqy: oh yeah what level should i train armour to before spliting
05:06:15 <monqy> I'd personally just put the splint on and train armour
05:06:22 <monqy> unless it lowers my ac or something
05:06:37 <elliott> EV 9 to EV 6 is not very nice :( or is it
05:06:46 <monqy> you also got more ac!!
05:06:56 <elliott> time to set up an exclusion zone
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05:08:27 <monqy> jellyfish the famous pushover
05:08:29 <elliott> what is an orc wizard doing in water
05:08:35 <monqy> not being in water
05:09:02 <elliott> what, i thought i had hw id'd
05:10:08 <elliott> what is that centaur doing
05:10:34 <monqy> centaurs can't over water
05:10:45 <monqy> unless they have a +Lev weapon or something
05:10:51 <monqy> they can still shoot over water just fine
05:11:06 <monqy> you could confuse it
05:11:30 <monqy> don't die in the process
05:13:37 <monqy> rather, e will reduce its size, and then e again will remove it
05:13:41 <monqy> and then e again will place it
05:14:22 <monqy> it's pink if the exclusiones there
05:14:28 <monqy> just hit pinks until they stop being pikn
05:14:37 <monqy> or use ^E to clear exclusions
05:15:14 <elliott> are jellyfish pushovers or
05:15:24 <monqy> jellyfish are indeed pushovers
05:16:27 <elliott> maybe i should just skip this level
05:16:35 <elliott> i think the temple is on this level
05:16:58 <monqy> how much have you explored
05:17:31 <monqy> might be a secret door in that thing at the top
05:17:45 <monqy> to the up and right of your cursore
05:18:37 <monqy> only if ijyb has a gnasty wand
05:19:07 <elliott> i misjudge how pushover things are because
05:19:11 <elliott> i fight them at different levels each time
05:21:07 <elliott> ais523 was all bad for ghoul
05:21:44 <monqy> personally oka doesn't excite me but
05:21:49 <monqy> maybe oka would excite you
05:22:03 <elliott> joke about renaming oka to default
05:22:10 <elliott> "jokes affect my opinion of crawle things"
05:22:27 <monqy> they aren't so bad at this point are they
05:22:45 <monqy> have you found chei yet
05:22:46 <elliott> they're still the only common thing that can put a huge splodge of red on my hp bar in a turn or two
05:23:07 <monqy> no? it was at 6 las ti hcecked
05:25:47 <elliott> i like how my running away just
05:27:08 <elliott> monqy: can i survive a run to the >
05:27:44 <monqy> can't you go around?
05:27:50 <monqy> also is that temple
05:28:36 <monqy> also to get to the > you'd have to go through some plants
05:31:35 <monqy> if you're alternating: makh
05:31:39 <monqy> if you're asheing: ashe
05:31:48 <elliott> i liked how i didn't have to do anything for ashe
05:31:57 <elliott> maybe makh's fighting abilities matter to me more than see invis?
05:32:12 <elliott> what auto-iding can ashey do for me
05:33:47 <monqy> i dont know ashe stuff
05:35:31 <elliott> monqy: does equipment include scrolls and potions
05:37:03 <elliott> The runed arrow hits you! You blink.
05:39:06 <monqy> ugh fine read fear
05:39:14 <monqy> then get to the door
05:39:16 <elliott> can i run up to it and melee it now
05:39:28 <elliott> will it fire arrows if it's fleeing
05:39:36 <monqy> once it stops fleeing though yes
05:39:48 <elliott> will it stop fleeing if i run up to it :(
05:40:00 <monqy> it's fast so you won't be able to close distance like that until it stops fleeing anyway
05:41:22 <monqy> running might be a ba didea
05:41:25 <monqy> since the centaur will find you
05:41:55 <ion> When he opens the door, maybe you can melee him.
05:43:02 <ion> If i had to choose between dying to a shooting c and dying while meleeing a c, i’d try my luck with the latter one.
05:43:07 <ion> DRINK ALL THE POTIONS
05:43:08 <monqy> might isn't as important since by the time it matters you're already distyanceclosed
05:43:30 <elliott> centaurs can be pretty bad even in melee sometimes???
05:43:36 <elliott> if it has that kind of weponry
05:43:38 <monqy> ok whatever if you aren't confident in your centaurkilling ability by now uquaff it
05:44:18 <elliott> ok i guess it wasn't necessary
05:44:26 <elliott> im picking up these arrows so that nobody else does
05:45:22 <ion> Almost nothing is cursed. :-(
05:47:32 <ion> When @.x where x is some melee monster, don’t move toward him, press dot and let him move one step toward you. You’ll get the first punch.
05:47:56 <monqy> don't do that if x has a polearms
05:48:08 <monqy> or a whipe of reaching
05:48:14 <elliott> ion: yeah sometimes i just
05:48:21 <monqy> gourmande on ghouls makes you pretend all chunks are rotten
05:48:28 <elliott> You feel a craving for the dungeon's cuisine.
05:48:48 <ion> That would be a good name for a restaurant.
05:49:25 <monqy> mcdonalds ball and slide dungeon
05:49:46 <monqy> you mean the mlist?
05:49:53 <monqy> don't trust the mlist colours
05:49:57 <monqy> it was a horrible addition
05:50:11 <monqy> it's so misleading
05:50:38 <elliott> then beat the crap out of it
05:50:47 <ion> monqy: Huh. I haven’t had any problems with the colors. I like them.
05:51:19 <monqy> ion: most of the time it works, but in those cases you already know the difficulties of stuff at least as precisely as the mlist colours them
05:51:26 <elliott> wow what is it with the wandes on this floor
05:51:31 <monqy> ion: but there are cases where it's way off
05:51:36 <monqy> ion: like eyeballs and boggarts
05:51:46 <monqy> ion: so you can't trust it if you don't know the difficulty of something already
05:51:49 <monqy> ion: so it's useless
05:52:25 <elliott> 06:52 <Henzell> box of beasts[1/1]: Your own mobile petting zoo! Evoke to release a beast. If the evocation was unsuccessful, there is a 1 in 6 chance that the box will turn into a simple empty ebony casket. Succeeds (60 + evo)/100. Hostile: 1/(evo+5). Bat, hound, jackal, rat, ice beast, snake, yak, butterfly, water moccasin, crocodile, or hell hound (if not worshipping a good god).
05:52:28 <elliott> that sounds like fune thoughe!!!
05:52:50 <elliott> ok i wont because you said no
05:52:57 <monqy> decide for yourself
05:53:04 <monqy> using misc items is cool
05:53:21 <monqy> you asked if it's good; the answer is no. should you use it? yes.
05:53:44 <elliott> maybe i'll use it on zot:5
05:53:58 <elliott> excuse me monqy laugh at the implication there please
05:54:41 <shachaf> amonqy: "did shachaf ruine your hiing"
05:54:49 <ion> elliott: Next time try a deep elf summoner. They’re fun in the beginning.
05:55:00 <shachaf> ion: I've been playing DESu!
05:55:07 <elliott> _p - a scroll labeled ZEODGH YTODONIT {tried}
05:55:13 <monqy> shachaf: I thought you didn't play crawl
05:55:15 <elliott> i was gonna make a pun here but
05:55:37 <elliott> are you going to tell me to hack and back them
05:55:42 <HackEgo> 839) <Sgeo> hack and back? <Patashu> works on anything much slower than you <monqy> at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" <Patashu> am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink <monqy> i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes
05:56:06 <monqy> elliott: hack and back what
05:56:15 <elliott> what were you going to suggest
05:56:32 <ion> Did you open the box of breasts yet?
05:56:52 <elliott> monqy: i thought you were upset about me whacking the goliath bettle
05:57:09 <monqy> did you hack and back it :(
05:57:15 <elliott> and then you went no stop dont
05:57:27 <ion> whacking is fine –monqy, 2012
05:57:30 <elliott> for... playing on localhost?
05:57:58 <shachaf> monqy: draw a self protrait of me :'(
05:58:01 <ion> `quote <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:14 <ion> whatsthecommand
05:58:26 <ion> `addquote <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:30 <HackEgo> 851) <elliott> i just whacked it <monqy> whacking is fine
05:58:42 <elliott> is that two spaces between the messages?
05:59:00 <shachaf> two spaces = the greatest evile
05:59:23 <monqy> shachaf: what do you look like, this is necessary for any good self portrait
05:59:48 <elliott> does shachaf know what self means
06:00:19 <shachaf> elliott: it meanse a portrait monqy draws of me
06:00:34 <shachaf> elliott: When you drew "sahchef, paraphrased" that was also a self portrait.
06:00:57 <elliott> where is all the shit in this dunjon
06:02:36 <ion> Zombies art slowe. Hydras, not so slowe.
06:02:51 <ion> What do you have?
06:03:04 <monqy> are you in a pickle
06:03:11 <elliott> rock troll zombie down there
06:05:08 <ion> You can escape stuff by blinking. And you can try to confuse the hydra and blast it with fire for instance.
06:05:53 <elliott> monqy: should i melee hydra
06:06:01 <shachaf> monqy: draw a self protaraite of me ;'(
06:06:11 <monqy> elliott: proably not
06:06:24 <monqy> elliott: what's on your screne
06:06:44 <monqy> i wouldnt want to mele it
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06:06:52 <monqy> if you do mele, definitely use glov
06:07:02 <monqy> and if you do mele, soften it up from afar with wands, rather than charging it
06:07:06 <monqy> if you dont melee, run away
06:07:08 <monqy> it's still wandering
06:07:12 <monqy> you can skip the leve
06:07:17 <shachaf> elliott: does crawle have melee island
06:07:39 <ion> elliott: What’s wrong with your ^O?
06:07:46 <elliott> ion: entering it does nothing
06:08:10 <ion> Do other ctrl commands work?
06:08:17 <elliott> ^O has some special terminal meaning
06:08:42 <ion> Try telnetting to the server instead of sshing for shits and giggles. :-)
06:08:48 <elliott> I do telnet to the server.
06:08:55 <ion> Try sshing to the server instead of telnetting for shits and giggles. :-)
06:09:12 <elliott> I want to be able to mosh to the server. :(
06:09:32 <elliott> "Yes, telnet on Mac OS X is blocking ^O" -- sigh.
06:10:27 <elliott> should i recharge confusion or digging hmmm
06:10:39 <ion> They have the most insane ssh setuppe. Get the private key from <http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cao_key> and log in using ssh -o IdentityFile=cao_key crawl@crawl.develz.org
06:10:58 <elliott> They use the CAO key for CDO?
06:12:05 <elliott> 07:11 <Henzell> scroll of amnesia[1/1]: Added in 0.8 along with the removal of the selective amnesia spell. Same rarity as enchant armour so expect around a dozen at zot.
06:13:09 <ion> Lets you forget a spell.
06:13:18 <ion> .ssh/config: http://hpaste.org/67953
06:13:20 <elliott> Curse weapon is useless for me. :(
06:13:40 <elliott> 07:13 <Henzell> pressure plate[1/1]: A mystery trap whose function is defined in lua
06:14:00 <ion> Ooh, i’ve never seen one.
06:16:00 <Madoka-Kaname> I made a Underload -> Scala compiler for some reason...
06:16:00 <monqy> elliott: what hapn
06:16:06 <elliott> monqy: pressure plate trape
06:17:37 <elliott> why don't they build these things with chokepoints
06:18:25 <elliott> monqy: is this a volte thing
06:19:47 <monqy> maybe it used to be a bailey entry
06:19:52 <monqy> but bailey went beyebye
06:19:58 <monqy> maybe it wasnt baile
06:20:55 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, you would be free to add a (really messy) underload compiler to the wiki page, right?
06:21:16 <monqy> just run up to it and kill it
06:21:18 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: that stuff generally goes in the file archive but sure (but it should probably go on a user page)
06:21:21 <monqy> you're way too afraid of lectirc eels
06:22:02 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: what's your username
06:22:07 <elliott> User:username/Underload to Scala compiler
06:22:11 <elliott> and link it from the Underload page
06:23:32 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#External_resources
06:24:07 <elliott> ehh, I guess it can count as "external"
06:24:10 <elliott> but you could just put it in the file archive
06:24:27 <elliott> monqy: since when are yaks kinda weak
06:25:39 <elliott> whats ghmo got to do with yake
06:25:44 <elliott> stuff is starting to get scary again :(
06:25:52 <Madoka-Kaname> elliott, is the file archive up for public uploading? ><
06:26:03 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/
06:26:44 <elliott> I thought I had poison resistance
06:30:20 <elliott> maybe i'll quaff curing and lumber over to the cyclops
06:30:27 <ion> Can you teleport?
06:30:41 <monqy> shachaf: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png
06:30:53 <ion> Blink behind the oooooo and run away perhaps.
06:30:54 <elliott> monqy: christ that's beautiful
06:31:08 <shachaf> elliott: monqy's self portrait of me > your self portrait of me
06:31:19 <elliott> i guess ill escape downstairs
06:31:24 <shachaf> elliott: it's even like french and stuff
06:32:35 <monqy> imagine an ogre that throws rocks which are also ogres
06:32:43 <Sgeo> monqy, elliott has been updated
06:33:42 <elliott> i guess nothing's likely to pick those up uhhh
06:34:05 <shachaf> monqy: do the ogre rocks throw rocks
06:34:50 <elliott> what's up with my inventory weight
06:34:53 <elliott> im not carrying anything super heavy??
06:35:02 <ion> The flesh.
06:35:28 <elliott> is troll hide good fo ranything
06:35:54 <ion> Look at its description. The short answer: probably not.
06:36:16 <elliott> suppose you could wear it if you really wanted to, although you probably want
06:36:16 <elliott> to enchant it into proper armour first.
06:36:27 <ion> Enchanting it provides some regeneration IIRC.
06:36:45 <ion> Perhaps it was at AC+4 or something like that.
06:37:23 <elliott> what is UP with these branches
06:37:33 <monqy> you already saw orc
06:37:35 <ion> If you’re a lighte armoure guy, it myghte be usefulle.
06:37:39 <monqy> lair is max depth 13
06:37:43 <elliott> i did not see orcish mines
06:37:46 <monqy> elliott: yes you did
06:37:49 <monqy> elliott: you saw the entry vault
06:37:51 <elliott> Search for what [Enter for "mines", or ? for help]? orcish mines
06:37:52 <elliott> _Can't find anything matching that.
06:37:52 <monqy> elliott: it had an eel
06:37:56 <ion> ssh there and hit ^O
06:37:57 <monqy> elliott: check xmap
06:38:05 <ion> And hit ^G now
06:38:07 <elliott> ion: as I said, asterisk o works
06:38:20 <monqy> elliott: you didn't see the staircase but you saw the entry vault
06:38:27 <monqy> it'll be on your Xmap
06:38:38 <elliott> i dunno how to find it with the Xmap
06:38:47 <elliott> also did you draw that duck it's beautiful
06:38:54 <elliott> monqy: i don't know what the entry vault looks like
06:39:13 <monqy> i used to be better at drawing but i'm so out of practice and my tablet is like weird so the pen thing moves faster horizontally than diagonally
06:39:20 <monqy> i;ll know what level it is
06:39:21 <elliott> can you draw me a self-portrait :(
06:39:59 <elliott> oh this level has a bunch of centaurs
06:40:32 <ion> I like shachaf.png.
06:40:42 <elliott> ion: did you see shachef.png before it
06:41:03 <elliott> wow i get to choose which armour to curse
06:41:16 <elliott> im good enough to use plate now
06:41:27 <monqy> wheres shachef.png i don't have it
06:41:34 <elliott> http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag/shachef.png
06:42:10 <ion> Too bad i don’t know the context for shachef, paraphrased.
06:42:20 <elliott> ion: There is no context whatsoever.
06:42:38 <elliott> shachaf has this logo thing that I crudely attempted to imitate, and someone said paraphrasing shachef or something at one point.
06:43:02 <elliott> The Bonzi Buddy thing has no context except shachaf or someone mentioned it shortly before I started doing the self-portrait.
06:43:36 <elliott> wait, that's a *single* potion of heal wounds?
06:44:41 <elliott> monqy: i dont want to be diseased
06:44:44 <ion> ＢＲＥＡＫＩＮＧ ＮＥＷＳ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/04/23/next-generation-iphone-part-leaks-begin-with-home-buttons/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/01/claimed-iphone-5-sim-card-tray-appears-identical-to-iphone-4s/
06:45:09 <monqy> elliott: ghouls cant
06:45:10 <monqy> elliott: dont wory
06:45:24 <elliott> monqy: man ghouls need nerfing or something
06:45:35 <shachaf> ion: ＩＳ ＴＨＡＴ ＢＯＬＤ ＦＵＬＬＷＩＤＴＨ ＴＥＸＴ？！
06:45:59 <elliott> im not used to battles with hill giants not ending with me nearly dead
06:46:00 <ion> ＳＨＡＣＨＡＦ： ＹＥＳ！
06:46:26 <elliott> monqy: so this thing is mephitic cloud: the monster
06:46:27 <monqy> ghouls don't have to worry about meph either
06:46:36 <monqy> yes you can use it to confuse the iguana
06:48:35 <elliott> the invisible annoying things
06:50:00 <ion> I think it was called an unseen horror.
06:50:14 <monqy> probably unseen horrore
06:51:25 <kmc> holy fuck, apple replaces round home button with rounded square
06:51:37 <kmc> This changes everything. Again.
06:51:49 <monqy> elliott: chokepoint it or something
06:52:02 <elliott> i dont think there are any choke points
06:52:12 <shachaf> kmc: Did you see monqy's self-portrait of me?
06:52:17 <elliott> i could go here but it'd just go around
06:52:20 <shachaf> It was even better than elliott's.
06:52:50 <shachaf> I bet kmc wishes he had a self-portrait drawn by monqy.
06:53:01 <elliott> im getting a self-portrait drawn by monqy
06:53:07 <ion> s/self/nude/
06:54:20 <ion> Still **.... :-(
06:54:39 <elliott> ion: didnt find any curse stuff
06:54:42 <elliott> maybe i should just tab spam these guys
06:54:48 <ion> If you think you can melee them, go to the middle quickly. That’ll be better than letting them blast you from the distance.
06:55:29 <ion> That worked, but you might have done the go-to-the-middle thing to get out of it with even more HP left. :-)
06:55:50 <elliott> do i still have to worry about this guy at xl11
06:56:41 <ion> Look at its description with x. I’m not sure how reliable that is, but i noticed it says something how bad the enemy is.
06:57:52 <ion> The “He looks extremely dangerous” part. I have no idea whether your level affects it, though.
06:57:56 <elliott> 07:57 <Gretell> Gastronok (j) | Spd: 5 | Int: normal (starting) | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | Fl: amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: magic(80), drown | Chunks: poison | XP: 2131 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, small mammals, cantrip.
06:58:03 <ion> Also, x=v is nicer than xhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhv
06:58:14 <elliott> specifically the HP and Dam parts
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06:59:15 <monqy> hastronok probably wouldn't be too tough for your character
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06:59:28 <elliott> ill train up in the lair first
06:59:33 <elliott> uhh when does the lair start getting scary again
07:00:54 <elliott> 08:00 <Henzell> black mamba[1/3]: Very fast snake that does a lot of damage and can inflict multiple levels of poisoning with one bite. Extremely dangerous, but susceptible to resistible magic, such as wands of paralysis, confusion, slowing, and disintegration.
07:01:07 <elliott> i guess it's less dangerous with rPois though
07:02:26 <elliott> Maybe I should train something else too.
07:04:30 <elliott> Great place to run, griffon.
07:05:52 <elliott> I guess I don't really need three wands of random effects.
07:07:15 <elliott> Maybe I should run back up and face Gastronok.
07:08:31 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 00:08:31 2012
07:11:38 <monqy> 5headed isn't too bad either
07:11:42 <monqy> if you have gloves you can probably take it
07:11:56 <elliott> 08:06 <Gretell> hydra (D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 13 | HP: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Fl: amphibious, regen | Res: magic(52), poison, drown | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1215.
07:11:57 <monqy> each head checks your ac
07:12:14 <monqy> 1d18 - 1d19 (factoring in -1 from glov)
07:12:36 <monqy> so really you're pretty darn safe vs hydra
07:12:43 <monqy> ok i take that back
07:12:51 <elliott> your calculations were in error
07:14:12 <elliott> monqy: how fast are hydrae?
07:14:21 <monqy> normal speed except in water (then they're fast)
07:14:34 <monqy> do you have any better armour?
07:14:55 <monqy> if it improves your ac, use it
07:15:03 <monqy> it may or may not improve your ac
07:15:08 <elliott> and i'm not going to experiment to find out in these conditions
07:15:16 <monqy> well of course not right now
07:15:20 <monqy> changing armour would be certain death
07:15:28 <shachaf> I WAS KILLED BY A HYDRA ONCE*
07:18:40 <elliott> monqy: i could remove curse to check if plate mail would help but
07:19:00 <elliott> i was waiting until i got enchant armour scrolls to switch
07:20:01 <elliott> ill go have fun with thingybob
07:21:14 <elliott> 08:21 <Henzell> deep elf priest[1/1]: Notable abilities: Can smite, animate dead, die
07:21:17 <elliott> the die thing makes me think they're
07:22:15 <elliott> 08:22 <Gretell> deep elf priest (e) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 5 | HP: 16-30 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 9 | Fl: evil | Res: magic(40) | Vul: holy | Chunks: contam | XP: 136 | Sp: pain (d10), cantrip, minor healing, smiting (7-17), twisted resurrection.
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07:24:57 <elliott> You are not playing in the latest version (33d826f) available!
07:24:57 <elliott> [T]ransfer your save to the latest version?
07:25:52 <elliott> hydrae again and hope things don't go as badly as they did
07:26:01 <elliott> but if they do i'll be fucked
07:28:10 <elliott> monqy: guess what :D :D :D :D :D: D: :D: D:
07:31:04 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Wed May 2 10:31:04 2012
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07:34:14 <elliott> the hippgriff is dying quickly so
07:34:18 <elliott> i MIGHT be able to just whack it but
07:40:22 <elliott> monqy: eight-headed is beyond my abilities right
07:42:23 <shachaf> elliott: ...A word starts with a glottal stop iff you use "an" instead of "a" in front of it.
07:42:29 <shachaf> Glad to have clarified it for you!
07:43:18 <monqy> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
07:43:46 <elliott> i just wish that spellingof my name didnt make me crei(briados) :'(
07:43:53 <elliott> im going to set that as my background
07:45:25 <monqy> if you decide to take it on you'll want to soften it up with wands or something
07:45:29 <shachaf> EIGHT MILLION-headed hydra
07:45:39 <monqy> do you have greater destruction and some decent invo skill?
07:45:47 <elliott> greater destruction? i'm ashe
07:46:22 <elliott> uhhh fire? fireball? flame? confusion?
07:46:30 <monqy> fire and fireball are probably the best for this guy
07:46:38 <monqy> dunno about confusion
07:47:09 <elliott> that didn't really do anything to it
07:47:13 <elliott> uhhh there's no point retreating right
07:47:21 <monqy> what if you dont want to die
07:47:34 <elliott> the only way out is through it or fungus
07:47:42 <monqy> and that's not the only way out
07:47:49 <monqy> there's a diagonal slott over there
07:48:14 <monqy> just hope it doesn't get a doubel move
07:48:26 <monqy> and hope you don't do that
07:48:46 <monqy> what are you doing
07:49:30 <elliott> maybe i should go back to the dungeon
07:50:27 <elliott> 08:50 <Henzell> slime creature[1/4]: An annoying resource drain; they hit hard enough that light-armour users have to worry about them, have reasonably high HP, never leave corpses, come in packs, regenerate, and flee at the slightest provocation.
07:51:09 <elliott> "Try not to let them merge more than once, because the damage only keeps increasing, from 44 for two slimes up to 110 for five slimes."
07:51:32 <monqy> I know ugly things are 11
07:51:43 <monqy> close the door on them
07:51:46 <ion> monqy: So, gloves help a lot when hitting monsters with your claws?
07:52:05 <monqy> ion: gloves are for making you not chop hydra heads off
07:52:08 <monqy> ion: (with your claws)
07:52:16 <ion> Ok, good to know.
07:52:19 <elliott> ive closed the door on it monqy
07:52:20 <monqy> ion: they negate claw bonus damage though
07:52:28 <ion> Right, makes sense.
07:52:54 <ion> I’ve never fought hydras with ghouls, i didn’t know their claws are badass enough to chop heads off.
07:52:57 <elliott> there's a very large slime creature down there
07:53:03 <elliott> maybe a wande will help???
07:53:20 <monqy> ion: it's just claws 1, "sharp fingernails", but that's enough to chop them
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07:55:05 <Patashu> elliot's gotten further as a monk than I ever have
07:55:12 <Patashu> (I'm bad at unarmed combat for some reason)
07:55:21 <monqy> unarmed combat is really good
07:55:32 <monqy> unless it was meganerfed
07:55:44 <Patashu> uc feels really really inaccurate at lower levels
07:55:47 <Patashu> maybe I am doing something wrong
07:55:49 <Patashu> I pump it as fast as I can
07:56:04 <monqy> uc is bad at the lower levels but really really good at higher levels
07:56:17 <elliott> but it still feels "pretey goode"
07:56:22 <elliott> there's a very large slime creature >
07:56:31 <monqy> pick another stair case
07:56:34 <monqy> alternatively do orc
07:56:48 <monqy> elliott: it's on d:6
07:56:53 <elliott> monqy: but i thought lair first
07:57:12 <monqy> lair first is what you do if it's not ful of things you have problems with
07:57:18 <elliott> Patashu: lair has eight-headed hydrae
07:57:20 <monqy> if you get a hard lair, orc might be easier
07:57:30 <Patashu> yeah I guess what monqy said
07:57:35 <Patashu> 6 blink frogs were around the staircase
07:57:52 <Patashu> but I prefer lair's difficulty spurts to orc's
07:57:55 <monqy> one time I had a lair as a ghoul where all three up staircases on lair:1 were next to a nasty hydra
07:58:03 <elliott> monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the splint mail
07:58:09 <elliott> monqy: how can i calculate what AC/EV i'll get with the plate armour
07:58:16 <monqy> maybe henzel knows
07:58:17 <Patashu> plate will give you more gdr
07:58:35 <elliott> doesn't sound worth it yet
07:58:58 <Patashu> wait, you never found orc?
07:59:07 <elliott> monqy: should i adjust my skilles maybe
07:59:16 <ion> electric elliott
07:59:19 <Patashu> (maybe more uc less non uc)
07:59:30 <elliott> i was training armour so that
07:59:43 <Patashu> are you at uc mindelay yet?
07:59:56 <monqy> uc mindelay is 27, it used to be 25 but it was nerfed
08:00:09 <Patashu> you don't hit mindelay until 27
08:00:14 <Patashu> I would recommend more mindelay
08:00:16 <monqy> uc is good to train to 27 anyway
08:00:24 <monqy> each skill level gives you more damage etc too
08:00:31 <monqy> it adds 1 to your base damage
08:00:45 <monqy> or something like that
08:00:53 <monqy> anyway it's good and you should train it
08:01:08 <monqy> you could defocus it if you wanted uc up faster
08:01:15 <monqy> i dunno much about armour skille "oops"
08:01:22 <elliott> plate is rly heavy and stuff
08:01:31 <elliott> ill have to remove curse to switch to it
08:01:37 <ion> CDO should let us attach gdb to our game instances so we could fix problems like too low UC level.
08:01:38 <elliott> since i'm waiting for an enchant armour scroll to make it worth it
08:01:42 <monqy> yeah having lots of armour skille is good for heavey armours
08:01:46 <elliott> i might as well train armour a lot so that I don't get EV penalty as much
08:02:08 <monqy> armour skill also gives you more ac on heavier armours
08:02:14 <Patashu> imagine if the eels in crawl were like the eels in brogue
08:02:28 <elliott> what's with this smoke thing
08:02:32 <Patashu> yeah I guess it would be an improvement actually
08:02:37 <monqy> you mean the vault?
08:02:40 <monqy> yeah just avoid it
08:03:16 <ion> Blink inside at some point when you have extra blink scrolls or cTele.
08:03:25 <ion> if it looks like there’s something useful inside.
08:03:54 <elliott> what is it with warriors switching weapons
08:04:01 <Patashu> you can never have enough blink scrolls
08:04:08 <ion> 20 gold pieces is infinitely more gold pieces than i have.
08:04:32 <Patashu> you didn't realize the other orc warrior had a glaive?
08:04:46 <elliott> maybe i'm not ready for orcish mines after all :)
08:05:06 <monqy> what happened here
08:05:11 <Patashu> the orc warrior has a glaive
08:05:17 <elliott> Patashu: did you see monqy's self-portrait of shachaf and me
08:05:21 <ion> Note to self: consider adding “hits you from afar” to force_more_messages
08:05:37 <monqy> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:05:44 <elliott> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:05:56 <elliott> i had to look in the logs for those
08:06:07 <ion> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
08:06:38 <elliott> why is there no heal wounds in this fucking dungeon
08:07:12 <monqy> elliott: double joke: youre ghouel
08:07:27 <Patashu> you're speed 10, they're speed 10
08:07:28 <ion> ghowel movement
08:07:30 <Patashu> you're not in danger of dying
08:07:32 <Patashu> unless you let them hit you
08:07:36 <Patashu> do you like pillar dancing?
08:07:40 <monqy> Patashu: double moves!
08:07:48 <Patashu> one double move won't kill you
08:07:51 <monqy> Patashu: energy randomisation "yaey fun"
08:08:15 <Patashu> and no energy randomisation
08:08:18 <ion> btw play xjump
08:08:18 <elliott> monqy: do i run to < or do i quaff curinge :/
08:08:28 <monqy> btw play monqys roguelike
08:08:33 <monqy> i forget if i had a name for it
08:08:57 <elliott> monqy: quaff curing or run to < help
08:09:04 <ion> elliott: Try my tile set for it. Debian/Ubuntu? xjump -graphic /usr/share/games/xjump/ion.xpm.gz
08:09:21 <elliott> ion: Is this just an elaborate way to brag about being a DEBIAN-PUBLISHED ARTIST?
08:09:28 <elliott> Anyway, no, OS X right now.
08:09:42 <ion> http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/ion.xpm.gz
08:10:08 <monqy> elliott: i;'d run probabley
08:10:25 <elliott> what if there's eel or w/e
08:10:33 <Patashu> didn't you kill all the eels?
08:11:18 <elliott> it suddenly occurs to me that one of these is gonna follow me up
08:11:26 <monqy> also btw: makhleb solution to hydra: hlep from greater servant
08:11:34 <elliott> yeah but im still a scarey
08:11:48 <Patashu> you should be way past the point of normal orcs killing you
08:11:56 <monqy> Patashu: normal orcs with disto!
08:12:08 <ion> A crappy video i captured from xjump a few years ago: http://johan.kiviniemi.name/tmp/xjump/xjump_562.ogv
08:12:12 <elliott> _The orc sings a few bars from the Orcish anthem.
08:12:29 <elliott> The orc throws an uncursed orcish dagger.
08:12:32 <monqy> elliott: the orc jeers, as orcs often do
08:14:01 <elliott> monqy: ion: are you lagging of CDO twest
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08:14:26 <monqy> @ask elliott looks like your connections on the blink
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08:14:46 <Patashu> I have two brogue wins now
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08:15:04 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
08:15:15 <monqy> maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't monkeys or acid lumps
08:15:17 <Patashu> one of them was with a... I think war axe, plate and a shitload of useful utility staves like obstruction and tunneling
08:15:20 <elliott> what do you have against monqys
08:15:26 <Patashu> the other one was with an axe of quietus, plate and 0 staves until depth 19 (and all of them sucked)
08:15:30 <monqy> elliott: i almost typoed monkeys as monqys
08:15:37 <monqy> elliott: then i fixed it
08:15:41 <Patashu> also, both of the two things youm entioend are easy
08:15:48 <Patashu> try this: maybe I'd try brogue again if there weren't vampire bats on d:2
08:15:56 <monqy> Patashu: easy but awful
08:16:03 <monqy> Patashu: vampire bats on d:2 are annoying tooo
08:16:25 <Patashu> I think you'll get out of LOS quickest if you run to the stairs
08:16:29 <monqy> elliott: get to the wall to heal, then kill the eel if you want, then confuse the orc if you want
08:16:37 <elliott> by wall do you mean stairs
08:17:21 <ion> elliott: Do you get a huge adrenaline rush when approaching a high score in xjump?
08:17:28 <elliott> ion: i don't really approach high scores in xjump
08:17:36 <elliott> its like the platforms are made out of butter
08:17:36 <ion> a personal high score
08:17:49 <Patashu> I used to play icy tower, which sounds like what xjump is
08:17:52 <Patashu> I never got really far on it
08:17:57 <Patashu> but I always marveled at the replays of ppl who did
08:17:58 <elliott> Things stay "almost dead" in Crawl for about 100 turns.
08:18:54 <elliott> so there's a portal of some kind on this level?
08:19:08 <Patashu> I thought you only got that message when ash mapped it
08:19:32 <Patashu> might be ice cave, volcano or a shop
08:20:02 <elliott> wow these priests cut into my hp a lot for some reason
08:20:21 <Patashu> and it's random if they decide to smite or not
08:20:23 <elliott> is there anything i can do about them
08:20:24 <Patashu> so one priest will be like
08:20:33 <Patashu> aside from killing them faster
08:20:55 <elliott> uhhh monqy probably isn't happy with what i'm doing
08:21:03 <kmc> this is a weird fuckin channel
08:21:03 <shachaf> monqy: have you ever considerede
08:21:35 <kmc> shachaf: did you learn any crazy unix or x86 today
08:21:39 <kmc> that you could tell me about
08:21:42 <monqy> im tired and still have to read all of this stuff i should have read hours ago
08:22:08 <elliott> monqy: maybe tomorrow what
08:22:16 <shachaf> kmc: I learned that Microsoft abuses bits that don't belong to them.
08:22:26 <monqy> self portrote (of self)
08:22:44 <shachaf> Something to do with the iret state.
08:22:45 <kmc> which bits?
08:23:02 <kmc> which bits of
08:23:18 <shachaf> Apparently there are 64-or-something bits of flags that go on the stack and/or in a register that iret uses or something?
08:23:24 <shachaf> And some of them are reserved.
08:23:27 <shachaf> But Microsoft uses them anyway.
08:23:38 <kmc> iret will restore EFLAGS or RFLAGS from the stack
08:23:51 <kmc> is that what you mean?
08:23:59 <elliott> monqy: i guess i have to find another upstairs to find that portal?
08:24:05 <kmc> hardware stacks are distasteful
08:24:20 <shachaf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAGS_register_(computing)
08:24:29 <shachaf> Yes, look at all those reserved bits.
08:24:44 <kmc> "(computing)" meaning "(x86)"
08:24:54 <kmc> and what does Windows use it for?
08:25:23 <elliott> should i step back from wall
08:25:52 <kmc> shachaf: how is it that gin tastes terrible, and tonic water tastes terrible, but gin & tonic is delicious?
08:26:04 <shachaf> kmc: I don't think I've ever had either.
08:26:08 <shachaf> Which one should I try first?
08:26:16 <kmc> well, they're both terrible, so...
08:26:21 <ion> Ooh, a version with smooth scrolling. http://gnujump.es.gnu.org/index.php/Main_Page
08:26:28 <kmc> i think modern tonic water is not too bad
08:26:31 <elliott> ion: that one REALLY REALLY sucks
08:26:36 <ion> It feels quite decent if you turn the turbl trails and blur off.
08:26:41 <elliott> or maybe i just got unlucky
08:26:54 <ion> Seems to work on my system at the moment.
08:26:56 <kmc> the original idea was to mask the taste of antimalarial quinine in tonic water, by adding gin
08:27:03 <kmc> which should give you an idea how fucking terrible tonic water is
08:27:17 <kmc> though, maybe it's less "mask the taste" and more "if this is the only booze we give the troops, they'll drink it"
08:27:17 <elliott> Patashu: that's not helpful
08:27:25 <Patashu> you're dropped right next to the exit
08:27:30 <Patashu> so you can leave if it's hard for some reason
08:27:36 <Patashu> but there'll be places to go for shelter
08:27:48 <ion> antimalarial quine
08:27:52 <elliott> how scary is the stuff inside
08:28:07 <elliott> haha what a terrible place for edmund to turn up
08:28:22 <Patashu> edmund is always fashionably late
08:28:31 <elliott> _Your scroll of teleportation catches fire!
08:28:37 <elliott> i want the thing that protects you from that crap
08:30:08 <ion> ellie: Wow, you already have ***...
08:30:19 <elliott> ion: Eh? I've been with ashey for ages.
08:30:29 <ion> That was the point. :-P
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08:30:36 <ion> Moar cursed stuff!
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08:30:46 <ion> See the god screen.
08:30:52 <ion> ^ or something
08:31:15 <elliott> "Your claws are not bound." Uhh...
08:31:19 <elliott> monqy: Yes, I know. Should I it?
08:31:20 <Patashu> obviously don't bind those
08:31:37 <monqy> sometimes it's freee loot
08:31:40 <monqy> other times it's less free
08:31:54 <monqy> other times you want to get out but you can get out so it's all good
08:32:06 <elliott> Really drop all my scrolls?
08:32:14 <elliott> Oh, I don't have any of use.
08:32:30 <ion> rF++++++ might be useful judging from the name.
08:32:35 <monqy> potions prefer freeszing
08:32:40 <ion> Cold destroys potions, fire destroys scrolles.
08:32:50 <monqy> elliott: volcano is where you find plate of rF
08:32:54 <elliott> I have ring of protection from fire
08:33:02 <ion> Sounds okay
08:33:04 <Patashu> you don't need to wait for chunks to rot
08:33:05 <monqy> elliott: ooh or cpm of rF!!!
08:33:06 <elliott> maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano?
08:33:16 <elliott> monqy: maybe I should replace regeneration with ice for volcano?
08:33:31 <elliott> Good thing I didn't do that!
08:33:48 <Patashu> in this one the volcano erupts periodically
08:33:49 <elliott> Patashu: Does that mean run?
08:33:52 <Patashu> when it does ge tto a hut and close the door
08:33:53 <ion> thautoexplore
08:33:59 <Patashu> you have rF+ so you should be fine
08:33:59 <elliott> Fuck that. That sounds waful.
08:34:08 <Patashu> the damage is pretty low if you have rF+
08:34:11 <elliott> If it erupts, I die, right?
08:34:20 <Patashu> it just spawns fire clouds randomly
08:34:27 <elliott> So, uh, is autoexplore safe?
08:34:37 <Patashu> I forget so I'd manualexplore
08:36:02 <Madoka-Kaname> Now to be lazy and email the esoteric archive tomorrow.
08:36:16 <ion> Close the doore
08:36:17 <elliott> Madoka-Kaname: You can just add that to the external links section as-is.
08:37:17 <elliott> This must be one magical fucking ring to be makingt his harmless.
08:37:22 <monqy> not that your ac is particularly excellent but
08:37:30 <elliott> But it's not hruting much.
08:38:08 <monqy> is there anything on the other side of watter
08:38:37 <Patashu> I don't think there's anything past that
08:38:38 <monqy> have potions of levitation?
08:38:51 <elliott> I'm not going to go there.
08:38:53 <elliott> It's obviously a circular map.
08:39:06 <elliott> I took everything that looked useful.
08:39:10 <ion> Good ideas #497: drink a potion of levitation and explore the vast area of deep water.
08:39:13 <elliott> It was mostly just lower-class armour with fire.
08:39:50 <monqy> fine i'lll look at it
08:40:04 <elliott> I honestly didn't know what you meant.
08:40:09 <Patashu> http://www.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des
08:40:20 <monqy> ok there's nothing on the other side
08:40:57 <Patashu> turn remove curse into curse armor/jewellery
08:41:20 <elliott> Orcs, more like tab tab tab tab tab tab.
08:41:41 <ion> tab the orcs
08:42:32 <elliott> Orcs, more like tab tab tab die.
08:42:54 <monqy> you can step downright and find a choke
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08:43:12 <Patashu> the warrior and ogre are melee only
08:43:19 <monqy> and neither have polearm
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08:43:25 <monqy> there's choke everywhere
08:43:27 <elliott> but there's some semichokes i guess
08:44:15 <monqy> why aren't you damaging that ogr
08:44:16 <elliott> monqy: I told you my continuing fear of ogres was justified.
08:44:34 <monqy> also why is your ac so low (when does ac start going up?)
08:45:00 <elliott> Patashu: Yeah, I should really start using those more.
08:46:32 <elliott> This is the end level, isn't it.
08:46:40 <monqy> it's only scary sometimes
08:47:19 <elliott> i dunno what was with that other ogre
08:47:24 <elliott> it thought it was a hill giant
08:48:01 <elliott> monqy: it's scary this time
08:48:18 <elliott> i guess i could ~mighte~ but
08:48:27 <Patashu> it's not like you're going to ever use all those potions of might
08:48:48 <monqy> ooh the crossbows ending?
08:49:07 <monqy> crossbows ending is the
08:49:13 <monqy> i'll just let you see for yourself
08:49:29 <monqy> well i didn't die when i did it
08:50:12 <elliott> orc warriors with crossbows firing annoying crap
08:51:25 <elliott> how many firings do wands last
08:51:30 <monqy> depends on the wand
08:51:34 <monqy> you don't have to wand yet
08:52:02 <monqy> but don't just stand in front of them and let them shoot at you either
08:53:01 <elliott> how many of these guys are there
08:54:43 <elliott> i have to manouvre around toget to it
08:54:45 <elliott> which puts me in firing range of
08:55:07 <monqy> what's on the other side of the wall
08:55:10 <monqy> do you have scrying
08:55:25 <monqy> do you have scrying yet
08:55:29 <elliott> i dont know what that is :(
08:55:33 <elliott> Patashu: no, but it can hit through the fungus in one turn
08:55:48 <elliott> monqy: im not so good with piety
08:56:33 <monqy> well whatever you do don't charge up into the palce where everyone will shoot at you
08:56:50 <elliott> do centaurs not know how to kill toadstools
08:57:27 <Patashu> why are you resting so close to the place anyway
08:57:32 <Patashu> why not give yourself more cover
08:57:35 <monqy> to heal quickly you should eat corpses
08:57:38 <monqy> if there are any left
08:57:53 <Patashu> eating as a ghoul restores hp
08:58:01 <monqy> Patashu: never played ghouls?
08:58:08 <Patashu> haven't played most races still
08:59:58 <elliott> how long would it take me to retreat
09:00:08 <Patashu> four orc warriors at once = bleugh
09:00:13 <Patashu> and looks like there's more shit behind it
09:00:24 <Patashu> you have digging charges right?
09:00:25 <monqy> retreat or greater servant
09:00:27 <Patashu> why not zap digging downwards and hide
09:00:45 <monqy> why not zap digging upwards, yum
09:01:16 <monqy> Patashu: it's stone
09:01:23 <monqy> i thought you were making a nethack joke
09:01:59 <elliott> could i levitate over the walls
09:03:49 <elliott> because that's a lot of steps
09:03:50 <monqy> you can't leve over walls
09:03:52 <elliott> and they have ranged weapons
09:04:01 <monqy> lev would only help with that wayer
09:04:01 <elliott> that was one of my options
09:04:08 <elliott> alright, retreat to deep water?
09:04:10 <monqy> you'd be able to cut a corner
09:04:15 <elliott> then lev over the water? ok
09:04:25 <monqy> then of course get off of the dep water
09:04:29 <monqy> so you don't drown
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09:07:03 <elliott> i think i'll buy the two heal wounds
09:07:10 <Patashu> hela wounds is good to buy
09:07:13 <Patashu> speed isn't bad to buy either
09:07:47 <elliott> Patashu: the speed's a bit pricey
09:08:00 <Patashu> see what's in the other stores, then
09:08:29 <elliott> f - the cursed -2,-3 mace "Othri" {slay orc, rC+ rN+ Int+1} 243 gold
09:09:24 <elliott> the grimoire of the rocks and good luck
09:09:27 <elliott> what kind of a title is that
09:09:49 <monqy> elliott: see {good names[14]}
09:10:05 <elliott> 10:09 <Henzell> good names[14/18]: Sif Muna's Arcane Secrets of Secret Knowledge {god gift}
09:10:27 <itidus20> so contradiction in my interpretation
09:10:46 <monqy> there was also a book of Burning Companions or somethingoroher but it got deleted :(
09:11:33 <Patashu> just leave orc and go do lair
09:11:49 <monqy> elliott: just let this be a learning experience
09:12:00 <elliott> monqy: are you saying "just be ok with dyin"
09:12:29 <monqy> you'll only have to worry about the warg
09:12:32 <monqy> and they're weak anyway right
09:13:05 <monqy> dunno what it means
09:13:56 <elliott> that was the wrong downstair
09:14:22 <elliott> or are orc warlords too hard for that
09:14:33 <monqy> elliott: bend space
09:14:51 <elliott> ashe reasons: you want to die
09:14:56 <monqy> im helping u appreciate the gods you aren't with
09:15:07 <monqy> slouch slouch slouche step from time uhhh
09:15:08 <elliott> can i confuse the warlord maybe??
09:15:15 <monqy> warlorde doesnt like being confused
09:15:23 <elliott> 10:15 <Gretell> orc warlord (o) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 15 | HP: 88-141 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | Res: magic(60) | Chunks: contam | XP: 2257.
09:15:25 <Patashu> then read tele or whatever you were going to do
09:15:35 <elliott> i mean that's less than the hydrae were doing
09:15:36 <monqy> it also has a wepon
09:15:45 <monqy> and it's not spread out over multiple hits
09:15:45 <Patashu> and it's 32 dam in one attack
09:15:48 <elliott> Patashu: there's not really an "away"
09:16:03 <Patashu> now you're only slightly mauled
09:16:13 <monqy> what are you doing ?
09:17:04 <monqy> maybe you can handle a hydra now
09:17:40 <Patashu> why did you uncurse the helmet too
09:17:44 <elliott> Patashu: didn't have a choice
09:17:54 <Patashu> why do you think the scrolls ask you under ash
09:18:33 <elliott> monqy: i was gonna do lair right
09:18:39 <monqy> you were going to plate
09:19:02 <monqy> nah just get a better plat
09:20:05 <monqy> goldon draggins and floor, respectively
09:20:16 <monqy> alternatively: acquirement, possibly from xom/oka/geneicard
09:20:23 <Patashu> I'm going to make an unrandart armour with 53 base AC
09:20:26 <Patashu> but it slows and +muts you
09:20:46 <elliott> armour where you can't take any damage but you die immediately
09:20:47 <monqy> Patashu: ghoul of chei "unstoppable wrecking machine"
09:20:58 <Patashu> elliott: well some things pierce gda
09:21:09 <Patashu> so it'd be funny when you suddenly got murdered by hellfire or af_cold or whatever it was
09:21:33 <elliott> ok now im actually laughing in real life at monqy's chei jokes
09:22:05 <Patashu> there are crawls to be crawled
09:22:52 <elliott> why are hill giants yellow
09:22:57 <elliott> i'm still fucking scared of hill giants
09:23:04 <Patashu> optimal danger calculation algorithm
09:23:05 <monqy> hill giants probably aren't so bad by now
09:23:50 <elliott> Patashu: ("hydras" honestly)
09:23:52 <Patashu> <Gretell> hydra (D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | Int: insect | HD: 13 | HP: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | Fl: amphibious, regen | Res: magic(52), poison, drown | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1215.
09:23:57 <monqy> but not worker ants
09:24:31 <elliott> wow it's a party of monsters i hate
09:24:47 <monqy> duck behind the corner
09:25:26 <Patashu> btw, brogue's doors are better than crawl's doors
09:25:32 <Patashu> you can use them to own the shit out of brogue centaurs, pixies, etc
09:25:32 <monqy> autoexplore into dour, a party in a dour
09:25:34 <elliott> i'll walk up to that door and open it
09:26:36 <Patashu> you're never going to use those 12 arrows of dispersal
09:26:40 <elliott> will anything pick up those arrows of dispersal
09:26:43 <elliott> that's the only reason i have them
09:27:03 <Patashu> you should drop them on some level you've already cleared then
09:27:12 <Patashu> also, drop scrolls of enchant weapon
09:27:15 <Patashu> you can't enchant your hands
09:27:43 <monqy> you're not very bound
09:27:47 <monqy> probably explains the low piett
09:27:49 <elliott> i guess i can drop this 5-zaps wand of consuion
09:27:55 <elliott> i don't have anything to do the binding with ok
09:29:10 <elliott> great, that dragon burns scrolls
09:29:15 <elliott> if i drop them will they be ok
09:30:05 <Patashu> it only burns scrolls in your inventory
09:30:10 <Patashu> (brogue is far more realistic)
09:30:27 <monqy> brogue is the other way around isn't it
09:30:32 <monqy> burns floor but not inventory
09:30:33 <elliott> You are covered in liquid flames!
09:30:33 <elliott> Your scroll of detect curse catches fire!
09:30:33 <elliott> One of your 2 scrolls of amnesia catches fire!
09:30:52 <elliott> don't stop dropping stuff!!
09:30:53 <Patashu> it takes multiple turns to drop multiple things
09:30:55 <elliott> how do i force it to drop stuff
09:31:09 <monqy> Patashu: best thing in brogue: monkey steals scroll, incendiary dart monkey, monkey dies, scroll burns
09:31:13 <Patashu> so you should start with stuff you value most
09:31:20 <Patashu> monqy: that happened to me once except with staff of firebolt
09:31:47 <monqy> I always forget not to burn monkeys before making sure they didn't steal a scroll
09:32:22 <elliott> how do i get more carrying capacity
09:32:35 <Patashu> drop shit you're never going to use
09:33:29 <Patashu> packrat == "I don't know how valuable any of this is so I'm going to keep ALL OF IT"
09:33:37 <elliott> yell at me if it's a terrible idea monqy
09:33:38 <monqy> you;ll want 27 str for gda, or what is it 24str for cpa?
09:33:42 <monqy> uhh what are you doing
09:33:46 <monqy> what hydra is this
09:33:54 <monqy> soften it up with wands first, at least
09:33:59 <monqy> and put on your gloves etc etc
09:34:04 <elliott> oh wait they can't open doors
09:34:28 <elliott> it was packed behind a door
09:34:42 <shachaf> elliott: Did you ever figure out cofree?
09:34:42 <monqy> put your gloves on
09:34:50 <monqy> don't hit the hydra
09:34:58 <monqy> it'll grow more heads
09:35:08 <shachaf> monqy: can i hit the hydra
09:35:34 <shachaf> monqy: you mean 'maybe'. learne to spelle
09:35:50 <elliott> it took me years to develop this plan
09:36:12 <monqy> elliott: have fun if it fails
09:37:00 <shachaf> elliott: WAS THERE A SPACE AT THE END OF YOUR SENTENCE
09:37:03 <elliott> i've learned my lessons you bastards
09:37:11 <monqy> don't let them merge and don't let them surround you
09:37:16 <elliott> how do i stop them merging
09:37:23 <monqy> don't let them touch each other
09:37:29 <Patashu> monqy: I think those are mutually exclusie
09:38:04 <Patashu> in my experience they only merge if they want to get closer to you but can't
09:38:11 <Patashu> so it's better to get surrounded by them
09:38:27 <monqy> getting surrounded lets ac apply more
09:38:47 <Patashu> it's like you're in the lair already
09:38:49 <monqy> large slime creatures aren't so bad, but watch out for titanics
09:38:52 <Patashu> hydras, hippogriffs and frogs
09:38:59 <elliott> they just want to make me feel at home
09:39:03 <Patashu> I died by tabbing a titanic once
09:39:17 <elliott> 08:03 <Sequell> 146. elliott the Impaler (L15 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Aizul (poison arrow) on D:17 on 2012-04-26, with 84580 points after 43254 turns and 3:34:58.
09:39:24 <elliott> and look at the turn count on my game
09:39:31 <shachaf> howe do you figure out your highe score
09:39:41 <elliott> what kind of fast turn frenzy happened in my highscore game
09:39:47 <elliott> also how can i see my score or can't I
09:40:28 <Patashu> did you do orc in that dsak game
09:40:38 <shachaf> you have scorede 0 out of a hundrede possible points
09:40:43 <shachaf> you have reached the rank of Novice
09:40:49 <elliott> maybe i did and it was that
09:43:13 <Patashu> eeeverything is faster than you
09:43:19 <Patashu> so you want to kite back as much as opssible
09:43:40 <monqy> orb spiders, Patashu
09:43:52 <monqy> demonic crawlers too uhh
09:44:03 <monqy> elliott: why not try it and see!!
09:44:11 <Patashu> before thinking about runes
09:44:12 <elliott> i'm super-invested in this character
09:44:13 <monqy> spider spider spider
09:44:21 <elliott> does that mean it gets me closer to winning
09:44:26 <elliott> ok but yeah i'm gonna do lair first sorry
09:44:34 <Sgeo> elliott, you got a Rune/
09:44:36 <monqy> you'll want to do spider eventually
09:44:39 <Sgeo> You need 3 runes
09:44:43 <monqy> it's just a matter of when
09:44:59 <monqy> some people save getting runes until right before zot but
09:45:08 <Patashu> runes do absolutely nothing for you
09:45:26 <monqy> diving rune branches right before winning is: boring
09:45:33 <monqy> doing them early is: fun
09:45:38 <Patashu> if you hate being bored, do branchless
09:45:56 <monqy> had hunger problems, rip
09:46:05 <elliott> let loose the dogs of etc.
09:46:06 <Patashu> do you go for hell or pan runes
09:46:19 <Patashu> maybe pan, and use cblink/ctele?
09:47:32 <monqy> it's choker than that
09:47:35 <monqy> wow what are you doing
09:47:42 <Patashu> the one you were in was ok
09:47:48 <elliott> sorry i'm not very good at this game
09:47:57 <monqy> so long as you don't die
09:48:04 <monqy> or if you do die and learn from this
09:48:25 <elliott> dying and learning from it thing
09:48:50 <itidus20> this character will live forever!
09:50:42 <elliott> SURE WOULD BE NICE IF I WAS WITH A GOD THAT GAVE ME USEFUL SHIT FOR FIGHTING RIGHT NOW
09:50:59 <elliott> monqy: can i take one down in melee, i forget
09:51:06 <elliott> 10:50 <Gretell> death yak (Y) | Spd: 10 | Int: animal | HD: 14 | HP: 57-95 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: magic(93) | Chunks: poison+contam | XP: 1059.
09:51:34 <Patashu> why do death yaks have such high MR
09:51:49 <elliott> design goals for death yaks: kill
09:51:54 <monqy> elliott: apparently ashe wrath ends after you gain 2 exp levels, so if you abandon ashe you want to do it soon so it'l end soon " i guess"
09:52:02 <monqy> elliott: of course if you don't want to abandon ahse thats ok too
09:52:16 <elliott> why did you second ais' recommendation of ashe i mean honestly
09:52:20 <elliott> i'm not going to abandon him but
09:52:29 <elliott> i would appreciate summon powerful shit more than
09:52:41 <Patashu> pray over the scrolls of remove curse
09:52:48 <elliott> i have scrolls of remove curse???
09:53:55 <elliott> ashey really likes bondage
09:54:23 <itidus20> i guess you can still be pious inspite of cursing your god
09:54:48 <elliott> ok reading those scrolls should be safe
09:54:53 <Patashu> which is really really good
09:55:05 <Patashu> also, there aren't many bad scrolls
09:55:35 <monqy> slime is usually avoided on 3runers
09:55:40 <elliott> how can i superscroll through inventory
09:55:48 <monqy> pageups/downs/spacebar
09:55:54 <elliott> btw i still have a box of beasts i'm planning to use on zot:5
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09:58:15 <monqy> hydra regenerayts h pquickly
09:58:21 <monqy> its probably at fulkl health by now
09:58:34 <itidus21> @tell itidus20 elliott still has a box of beasts to use on zot:5
09:59:07 <elliott> 10:58 <Gretell> kober (L14 KoBe) entered a Bailey. (Bailey)
09:59:10 <elliott> monqy: help i thought baileys were gone
09:59:17 <Patashu> what are you talking about
09:59:23 <elliott> 10:59 <Henzell> labyrinth[1/5]: Look for a cyan \ (or arch depending on your character set) on a level where you hear an "ancient clock" or "distant snort". (1-in-15 chance per level, once per game). Hurry, it times out after a while (you get urgent-sounding messages). Note that magic mapping is likely to show where the lab entrance is; however, it may appear to be a shop.
09:59:26 <elliott> monqy said baileys were removed
09:59:33 <Patashu> why would you take them out
10:00:10 <monqy> i didnt say they were removed
10:00:11 <elliott> 10:59 <Henzell> labyrinth[3/5]: No monster generation (you might find a few hungry ghosts, though); the major dangers are starvation (expect to use a ration or two) and the minotaur (hits for 35+20, so have awesome AC|offense or a powerful ranged attack). If you have a decent amount of food, and don't have teleportitis it's usually safe to explore.
10:00:14 <elliott> this thing sounds super boring
10:00:17 <monqy> i said that you missed one
10:00:21 <monqy> labyrinth is awufl
10:00:24 <elliott> can autoexplore do the labyrinth for me
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10:00:53 <monqy> it's like a cold volcano
10:01:01 <Patashu> the game is seriously making you pick between lab and ice cave
10:02:16 <Patashu> you're only partially bound
10:03:27 <Patashu> get out of the ice statues' fovs
10:03:49 <Patashu> also, you should probably drop all your potions
10:04:04 <Patashu> drop all your potions next to the exit
10:04:27 <elliott> so what's with the statues
10:04:36 <Patashu> do you have any wands of disintegration?
10:04:51 <Patashu> ice statue (8) | Spd: 16 | Int: high | HD: 8 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Fl: non-living, !sil | Res: magic(immune), cold+++, elec++, poison, drown, rot+++, neg+++, torm | Vul: fire | XP: 685 | Sp: b.cold (3d16), throw icicle (3d16), freezing cloud (2d17), ice beast.
10:05:19 <Patashu> you can probably just melee them but be ready to back up
10:05:22 <Patashu> they won't regen since they're statues
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10:06:16 <elliott> Marking area around the ice statue as unsafe for travelling. x2
10:06:42 <Patashu> wow, I didn't know the game places the exclsuions if you lift them
10:07:05 <Patashu> good place to use scrying btw
10:08:28 <Patashu> necromancer (@) | Spd: 10 | Int: high (items) | HD: 10 | HP: 26-53 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | Fl: evil, spellcaster | Res: magic(53) | Vul: holy | Chunks: contam | XP: 594 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), b.draining (3d15), animate dead, simulacrum / b.fire (3d18), pain (d13), invisibility, animate dead.
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10:09:43 <elliott> monqy: did you see my NEW PLATE ARMOUR!!
10:10:15 <monqy> it won't be your end game armoure
10:10:16 <Patashu> btw, why did you curse your splint instead of your helm or cloak
10:10:25 <monqy> you';ll want something with resistances
10:10:36 <monqy> like GDA, or at least plate of rF, which i think you have in shope
10:10:46 <monqy> (or was that game died)
10:10:47 <Patashu> plate of rf would be good for zot
10:10:57 <monqy> Patashu: might find gda on v8 first!
10:10:59 <elliott> monqy: i didn't say end game!! but
10:11:10 <elliott> plate armour gives gdr right
10:11:22 <elliott> nope, it's cold resistance i have in shope
10:11:36 <Patashu> plate of mr would be good too
10:12:35 <Patashu> pick up your potions on the way out
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10:13:56 <monqy> what did you do i wasnt watching
10:13:57 <elliott> i didn't even get a new high score
10:14:10 <Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, the Arch fortune database must include the sex part of -off by default.
10:15:31 <Patashu> that was close to max damage the hydra could have gone, given your gdr
10:15:46 <Patashu> no, max damage would have been 75
10:15:47 <elliott> i didn't switch armour yet
10:17:07 <elliott> i feel like i'm getting better
10:17:16 <elliott> and that was YASD that i should have seen coming
10:17:27 <elliott> otoh i don't remember the 8-headed hydra hitting that hard
10:18:19 <Patashu> a hydra can hit for up to 18*(1-gdr)*number of heads on any turn
10:18:21 <elliott> 11:17 <Zicher> Oh crap. Spiders made it as an official rune branch now ... Nasty.
10:18:25 <Patashu> it's just that they tend NOT to
10:18:28 <elliott> monqy: you should totally play!!!!!!!
10:18:43 <monqy> ugh i want to sleep
10:19:02 <elliott> that's why it'd be extra fun
10:19:03 <monqy> the only reason i'm still awake is i have to read these papers for tomorrow
10:19:07 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 03:19:04 2012
10:20:08 <elliott> monqy: you should dive. you love diving!
10:20:21 <monqy> can io dive and read at ther same time
10:21:47 <monqy> i'll dive once then go back to reading
10:23:14 <Patashu> stay at xl1 and get as deep as possible?
10:23:19 <elliott> i don't think monqy has a goal
10:23:36 <Patashu> kobold with a whip of electruction
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10:28:35 <elliott> monqy: is there a way to get like
10:28:38 <elliott> my top N games froms equell
10:29:10 <monqy> ddepends on what you mean by way, get, top
10:29:32 <elliott> top: ordered by descending score
10:30:08 <monqy> there are other ways too if there's something specific you want from each game like
10:30:24 <monqy> oh wait I don't know if you can do s=sc ugh
10:30:37 <monqy> i forget how to do it any other ways
10:31:36 <elliott> 11:31 <Sequell> 147. elliott the Impaler (L15 DsAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Aizul (poison arrow) on D:17 on 2012-04-26, with 84580 points after 43254 turns and 3:34:58.
10:31:37 <elliott> 11:31 <Sequell> 146. elliott the Brawler (L14 GhMo), worshipper of Ashenzari, slain by a seven-headed hydra in Lair:7 on 2012-05-02, with 45580 points after 33481 turns and 4:00:03.
10:31:41 <elliott> 11:31 <Sequell> 145. elliott the Swashbuckler (L12 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a yak on D:12 on 2012-04-22, with 16802 points after 17648 turns and 2:04:04.
10:31:45 <elliott> 11:31 <Sequell> 144. elliott the Grappler (L11 GhMo), worshipper of Makhleb, blasted by Harold (bolt of fire) in D:11 on 2012-04-30, with 10182 points after 11624 turns and 1:19:43.
10:32:41 <Patashu> you were better than you were the last time I saw you play
10:32:53 <Patashu> some day you'll have a mind shattering revelation and be like
10:34:29 <elliott> i know how to play crawl you just
10:34:40 <elliott> hit things but mostly run away
10:34:56 <elliott> it's just too boring for me to play it that way, so I have to optimise a strategy that involves less running away instead
10:35:37 <Patashu> maybe you should worship chei
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10:35:59 <Patashu> it's like admitting you're bad
10:36:05 <monqy> worship chei do it do it do it
10:36:26 <Patashu> when a problem comes along
10:36:40 <Patashu> I forget the rest of the lyrics
10:36:51 <elliott> maybe ill go ghck and abandon xom for chei if i'm feeling particularly stupid one day
10:36:55 <elliott> practice for my feck of chei run
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10:38:10 <elliott> but you won't laugh when help, Felid Chaos Knight of Cheibriados, ascends to victory
10:38:45 <Patashu> xom wrath is the same as worshipping xom, right
10:38:51 <monqy> I've "won" a febe of chei before
10:39:15 <monqy> died to trog wrath
10:39:16 <elliott> Patashu: yes, as I understand it
10:39:23 <elliott> 11:39 <Henzell> xom wrath[1/1]: Abandonment: 50 penance, Xom acts. Retribution: Xom acts. (On average, this is worse than just worshipping Xom; but the worst case is the same, so if you are prepared to deal with Happy Xom you should be fine with Mad Xom)
10:39:46 <monqy> xom wrath is less frequent than xom worship too isn't it
10:40:25 <elliott> monqy: i came up with a more extreme (and less possible) version of my all-god run goal
10:40:31 <elliott> so that nobody else can steal it from me by doing it
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10:40:56 <elliott> you have to go through every god, and must, for at least one turn, have the wrath of every single god (except the one you're on) active
10:41:02 <elliott> you're not allowed to switch gods until you reach full piety
10:41:11 <elliott> god-pleasing-and-abandoning speedrun
10:42:24 <elliott> monqy's silence is a silence of awe
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10:46:37 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10407003/rotation-matrix-haskell
10:46:39 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10408471/rotation-matrix-pbmfile-haskell
10:46:41 <elliott> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10412051/haskell-how-do-i-rotate-a-pbm-image-by-90
10:48:28 <Deewiant> The third redirects to the first
10:48:39 <elliott> Deewiant: Append ?noredirect=1.
10:48:42 <elliott> Or log in to Stack Overflow.
10:48:51 <elliott> Duplicates without answers are automatically redirected for anonymous users these days.
10:49:00 <elliott> (The idea being that they don't really care about clicking a link to get the answer they want.)
10:49:12 <elliott> Spoiler: it's the same question.
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10:55:54 <lambdabot> Local time for monqy is Wed May 2 03:55:53 2012
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11:06:22 <elliott> @tell monqy i swear i have seen the foreground in eliot.png somewhere else before help
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11:15:35 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
11:16:54 <fizzie> elliott: eliot.png == http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj299/sonic_jctheking/ELIOT.png right? (I asked Google.)
11:17:19 <elliott> 08:05:37: <monqy> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
11:23:25 <elliott> fizzie: THANKS YOU'RE WELCOME.
11:27:55 <ion> fizzie: That image was pretty awesome.
11:28:02 <ion> YOUR WELCOME
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12:14:55 <ion> elliott: Not yet, a friend came to visit.
12:15:02 <lambdabot> Local time for ion is Wed May 2 15:15:02 2012
12:15:54 <elliott> Maybe I should play again. Roguelikes are addictive.
12:31:03 <ion> ♥ Avishai Cohen – Dreaming http://open.spotify.com/track/7uPARjX8n4Sf4ndZ9alTxk live: http://youtu.be/yII_XhK5khw
12:31:09 <ion> elliott: Yeah
12:31:25 <elliott> ion: Does esolangs.org have an AAAA record for you?
12:31:56 <ion> esolangs.org.86400INAAAA2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd
12:32:13 <ion> esolangs.org. 86400 IN AAAA 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd
12:32:26 <elliott> Thanks. Do you get connected via IPv6 when going to http://esolangs.org/, if you can check that?
12:33:12 <elliott> Oh, I suppose I can check from server logs.
12:33:36 <ion> Seems to work.
12:33:42 <elliott> 2001:0:c38c:c38c:3886:4813:ac6e:121f - - [02/May/2012:12:33:30 +0000] "GET /wiki/Main_Page HTTP/1.1" 200 18627 "-" "curl/7.22.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.22.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.3.4 libidn/1.23 librtmp/2.3"
12:33:53 <elliott> (What about with a regular browser? I don't know if they do anything weird with IPv6.)
12:34:20 <ion> Mine might prefer IPv4 since the IPv6 connection is just a Teredo tunnel. I wonder how to override that?
12:34:30 <elliott> Well, that's what I'm interested in :P
12:35:33 <elliott> 83.145.237.224 - - [02/May/2012:12:35:21 +0000] "GET /.ipv4.sixxs.org HTTP/1.1" 404 142 "http://www.sixxs.net/tools/gateway/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0"
12:35:36 <ion> http://esolangs.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/
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12:37:09 * elliott wonders how to find out what DNS server is being treated as authoritative for a domain.
12:37:17 <elliott> I don't get an authority section back from "dig esolangs.org" here.
12:37:34 <elliott> So I can't tell if the change has propagated here or not (since I don't know how to request AAAA records when on IPv4, or indeed if I can).
12:37:43 <ion> dig +trace esolangs.org
12:38:00 <ion> might give some useful information
12:38:43 <elliott> (Also, does http://esolangs.org/forum/ have messed up styling for you?)
12:39:54 <fizzie> I still get esolangs.org pointing at ns[1-4].afraid.org here at work. Based on the decrementing TTLs, it'll be correct after 6406 more seconds.
12:40:51 <elliott> fizzie: How long do I have to wait before it's propagated to everywhere, theoretically?
12:41:23 <elliott> Hmm, how odd. The styles end up messed up iff I enable JavaScript.
12:42:54 <fizzie> "dig @b0.org.afilias-nst.org esolangs.org ns" reports a TTL of 86400 seconds, i.e. a day. If it was that also before, theoretically it can take up to that long.
12:43:46 <elliott> It happened 16 hours ago. I guess I'll hold off until it's 24 before posting on the community portal.
12:43:58 <ion> elliott: It does. And a bunch of spam.
12:44:16 <elliott> ion: Yeah, I know about the spam, it's the styling I'm concerned about.
12:44:27 <elliott> ion: Does it work if you click "Headline"?
12:44:39 <elliott> It does for me. (And promptly breaks again if I select another style.)
12:46:24 <ion> elliott: Oh. Headline doesn’t change it, but i’m beginning to suspect it’s intended to look like that.
12:46:43 <elliott> By "messed up", I mean "as if the page had no styling at all".
12:46:53 <elliott> If it's grey and orangey, that's right.
12:47:03 <ion> It had the “Headline” styling for me all the time.
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12:47:40 <elliott> Does selecting the other styles work?
12:48:18 <elliott> I bet it's a Safari thing.
12:49:04 <ion> Try clearing your cache.
12:51:17 <elliott> Did you know Firefox sucks?
12:52:01 <elliott> Yeah, it works fine in Firefox.
12:58:05 <ion> How to save the world: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17896081
13:02:01 <fizzie> Sounds like a good recipe for catching more hobbyist chili growers.
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13:25:07 <elliott> that's expected behaviour for flash
13:25:32 <ion> it did used tod bed
13:25:56 <Phantom_Hoover> I mean, in speech "it used to be" is perfectly normal, but...
13:26:22 <elliott> makes it sound a lot less dumb.
13:26:48 <ion> I’d like to hear from an authoritative source whether the erroneous-looking “didn’t used to be” is an exception to the rule or whether it should always be “didn’t use to be”.
13:33:44 <elliott> ion: Have you ever met *America*?
13:35:32 <elliott> ion: W/ e/ l/ c/ o/ m/ e/ - t/ o/ - A/ m/ e/ r/ i/ c/ a/ .
13:35:43 <elliott> XqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXqXq
13:37:43 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Whe rei sthetw othous andan dthree I orde red?
13:40:14 <ion> The sitting girl represents PHP software, the spray represents SQL injections and the standing girl represents attackers from the Internet. http://i.imgur.com/SZjwe.jpg
13:41:38 <elliott> Haters gonna hate (and get their aims hecked).
13:47:03 <elliott> ^rainbow Welcome to Phantom_Hoover!
13:47:03 <fungot> Welcome to Phantom_Hoover!
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13:54:20 <ion> That makes drinking and driving look so fun i’ll have to try it. http://youtu.be/tYMYv1zsAxE
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14:35:36 <ion> http://i.imgur.com/sxMlF.jpg
14:41:30 <ion> Someone #elsewhere didn’t get it and he keeps proving to us it’s the same person by linking Wikipedia etc. articles. And the rest of us on the channel disregard his lines and talk about how it’s probably the similar hairstyle and the eye color, and how they’d surely look almost like twin brothers if you photoshopped a similar beard to the Nirvana drummer’s photo.
14:42:19 <elliott> ion: The weirdest thing is how they both have the same name.
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16:52:19 <Ngevd> Had de ja vu when reading today's LMoO
16:52:50 <Ngevd> This has happened a couple of times with CoaP too
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17:21:03 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(Obama-Biden_campaign_slogan)
17:21:18 <elliott> Especially that "Controversy" section.
17:24:09 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hopiakuta/_DonFphrnqTaub_Persina_juneteenth_2006_(_Oy_vey,_D._F._T._P._22_26,_18_June_2006_71.102.31.67_)_%7E%7E_%7E%7E This is good too.
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18:18:36 <elliott> (also monqy's self-portraits of me and shachaf)
18:18:39 <elliott> "exciting esoteric happenings"
18:18:52 <elliott> 08:05:37: <monqy> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
18:23:31 <fizzie> That's not eliot the hedgehog.
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18:38:37 * oerjan confirms he already did.
18:38:44 <elliott> 19:18 <elliott> 08:05:37: <monqy> Patashu: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/shachaf.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/eliot.png
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18:39:53 * oerjan wonders if there's a common meme in these he doesn't know about.
18:40:30 <olsner> I think they're just weird
18:41:55 <elliott> oerjan: they are monqy's self-portraits of shachaf and I. the former derives from my self-portrait of shachaf, http://ompldr.org/vZDhvag
18:42:25 <elliott> (Which derives from http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png... but you've seen mine.)
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18:45:29 <Ngevd> I'm back from OUTSIDE
18:46:07 <Ngevd> The outside is a scary place
18:46:18 <elliott> i'm asking how you managed a whole 7 minutes
18:46:33 <Ngevd> Neccessity is the mother of more things than invention
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18:50:34 <nortti> it wont let me in with or without ssh
18:51:11 <nortti> olsner: I am using webchat
18:52:43 <elliott> no, it's definitely ssh :)
18:53:21 <nortti> it says "This server is for SASL users only"
18:53:58 <Ngevd> South American Sign Language?
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18:55:36 <elliott> nortti: Then you're connecting to the wrong server.
18:55:45 <elliott> The SASL stuff is for Tor.
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18:56:38 <nortti> elliott: I am connecting to irc.freenode.net
18:57:00 <elliott> then there's some other issue with your configuration :)
18:57:05 <elliott> anyway, I'm going to sleep
18:57:52 <olsner> enumerable and innumerable sound almost the same, but are pretty much opposites (I believe)
18:58:21 <nortti> elliott: strange how it stopped working on both my phone and computer with configurations that worked before
18:58:54 <elliott> googling suggests it's a common issue with mobile providers or something.
18:59:13 <olsner> funny enough, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enumerable points out the potential for confusion but still managed to have two incorrect examples (out of three)
18:59:14 <elliott> in any case it's pretty obviously not freenode's fault or nobody would be able to connect (well, to the same server, anyway, round-robin and all that)
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20:26:23 <Taneb> Oh damn, I've opened two
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21:12:44 <zzo38> Except for the White player's first turn, each player may, twice per game, move a piece with duplication meaning a copy is left at its original location. You may not duplicate queens and kings (although pawns can be duplicated). Also, pawns can use such a move while capturing or non-capturing; other pieces can use duplication only for non-capturing.
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21:29:35 <kmc> "A steam dummy or dummy engine... was a steam engine enclosed in a wooden box structure made to resemble a railroad passenger coach.... It was thought that the more familiar appearance of a coach presented by a steam dummy, as compared to a conventional engine, would be less likely to frighten horses when these trains had to operate in city streets. Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and motion of the operating gear of a
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21:33:33 <ion> the operating gear of a$
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21:36:44 <kmc> "Later it was discovered that it was actually the noise and motion of the operating gear of a steam engine that frightened horses, rather than the unfamiliar outlines of a steam engine."
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22:54:24 <Gregor> elliott: BE PRESENT AND OFFENDED
22:54:37 <Gregor> Anybody else: BE OFFENDED
22:55:01 <pikhq> I hereby declare /usr banned.
22:55:10 <Gregor> Oh, then you'll like this:
22:56:09 <Gregor> While everyone else tries to eschew /usr in preference of /, I eschew / in preference of /usr 8-D
22:57:25 <ais523> I actually discovered the etymology behind /usr a while back
22:57:43 <ais523> or, well, stumbled across someone else explaining it
22:57:58 <ais523> it seems that in the original UNIX system, it was for home dirs, and on a separate disk from everything else
22:58:17 <ais523> then they ran out of disk space on /, so they started putting things that weren't needed immediately on boot onto the /usr disk because they were short of space
22:58:27 <ais523> then they bought another disk, and decided to move the home dirs there…
23:01:41 <ais523> so, /usr is actually for users, makes perfect sense
23:02:20 <Gregor> pikhq: So do you want to know WHY I have this layout? X-D
23:03:08 <fizzie> http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html was linked-to from somewhere recently, it's about /usr.
23:03:09 <pikhq> Gregor: Because each program has a seperate view of /usr.
23:03:35 <Gregor> Oh. Well yeah. So why are you so offended then? X-D
23:03:48 <pikhq> Should totally do it on / instead. :P
23:04:05 <Gregor> Yeah, /home and /var would really appreciate that.
23:04:32 <Gregor> And /boot, /dev, /proc, /sys for that matter.
23:04:40 <pikhq> *Clearly* you need to have those as packages.
23:05:20 <Gregor> Unfortunately, aufs is sorta too lame to sensibly make /home a package.
23:06:31 <Gregor> Its options for deciding where new files go are bugging me, but kinda work only because usually you only put new files in /usr if you're installing a new package.
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