< 1336521808 490848 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01 5617. KiloByte the Grasshopper (L5 MuWr), slain by a giant newt on D:1 on 2010-01-20, with 265 points after 60641 turns and 0:15:00. < 1336521829 80543 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm missing something here < 1336521968 499975 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010 < 1336521977 981950 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were turns different thing < 1336521978 850125 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1336521983 938016 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was kilobyte just < 1336521985 833892 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really fast htne < 1336521986 873391 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1336522007 295966 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a mummybot or from when there was this bug that screwed up realtime < 1336522020 410549 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll tv it < 1336522081 677751 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway just fixing realtime doesn't explain it!!! < 1336522093 6890 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying to a giant newt on D:1 after 60k turns is still impressive < 1336522134 354308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have been a killsteal < 1336522136 974666 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or suicide < 1336522171 467296 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just giving me more options it could be !!! < 1336522174 258249 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the log says < 1336522182 794850 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You visited 1 branch of the dungeon, and saw 1 of its levels. < 1336522183 649261 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1336522199 768071 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/KiloByte/morgue-KiloByte-20100120-231230.txt) < 1336522345 161445 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have a centaur attached to your nicke? < 1336522519 81431 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that log is bizarre < 1336522691 878086 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336522913 855685 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it was a killsteal < 1336523780 384154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336523869 169058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m playing a MfBe and will probably die soon. < 1336523937 161856 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thawl. A gnoll shaman on D:1. < 1336523954 141184 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's that < 1336523967 95713 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:39 I don't have a page labeled killsteal in my learndb. < 1336523968 340484 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't exist < 1336523976 441451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336523980 65653 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway im gone < 1336523999 18775 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1336524002 394297 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never know ........! < 1336524019 552603 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway its not the actual < 1336524019 900076 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a killsteal is when one thing does the real work of the killing and something else does the final blow, getting the credit < 1336524020 72369 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :death < 1336524021 670913 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im concerned about < 1336524024 89603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336524028 303493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway im gone < 1336524029 167239 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the spending 60k turns on D:1 < 1336524036 82337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mummyscumming < 1336524036 775363 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway im gone < 1336524037 119890 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh that? i thought that was too obvious < 1336524040 62632 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336524041 791192 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you gone < 1336524044 319039 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336524056 666289 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1336524059 686465 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gone < 1336524065 291530 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im still gone < 1336524077 309361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I was under the impression Crawl distributes the experience based on how much work everyone did nowadays. < 1336524093 94525 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: im talking about monsters killing the player, not the player and his allies < 1336524096 129778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: good day < 1336524098 549799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: im gone < 1336524099 934484 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1336524099 998941 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336524101 842596 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know < 1336524103 246273 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its important < 1336524104 320537 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonqy < 1336524104 347737 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1336524105 472525 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gone < 1336524106 202584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I gone? < 1336524106 956969 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336524108 584383 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336524110 117919 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336524111 161116 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you gone < 1336524123 331187 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said i'm gone but actually i'm drinking this hot water < 1336524128 519493 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be gone after i finish < 1336524138 447949 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drinking hot water is basically like being gone < 1336524142 931449 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the water hot < 1336524143 275225 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336524147 529408 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enlighten us < 1336524149 536987 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's actually tea < 1336524151 603926 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good day / im gone < 1336524152 813676 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336524156 953418 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the tea hot < 1336524163 961336 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it ge tburned < 1336524171 912523 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :room temperature tea is gross < 1336524193 240796 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo tea should be drunk at 0 K < 1336524193 416753 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336524199 699996 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know what those atoms could do otherwise : / < 1336524260 82722 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1336524322 768795 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think monqy is gone < 1336524336 151068 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonqy < 1336525335 71541 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336525771 195228 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow wobniar^ < 1336525771 213528 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2w3o4b5n6i7a8r9^ < 1336525782 79567 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wobniar sounds like a Pokemon. < 1336525913 134792 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Stop playing, I can't decide between watching you and coolrobin. < 1336526013 95142 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1336526015 414922 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch both! < 1336526046 440832 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That's impossible. < 1336526103 130114 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You sure do like Trog. < 1336526309 3465 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He likes me, too. < 1336526346 461861 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I'm going with coolrobin because you're hugeterm. < 1336526351 934898 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336526985 106855 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336527136 133397 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1336527210 867661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Glaives chop hydra heads off, halberds don’t, right? < 1336527274 107204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, halberds do, too. < 1336527831 431194 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So why did you use correctterm that one game? < 1336527839 823104 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to resize. < 1336527843 814080 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336527847 829946 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have kept forgetting. < 1336527870 354034 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, you don't need that many lines of messages. < 1336527888 884138 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s not about the lines of messages, it’s about the size of the game map. < 1336527909 655508 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so chop off a few lines of messages and you'll get something close in 80x24. < 1336527963 151804 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You should abandon Trog for Xom. < 1336527968 882156 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. < 1336527971 519035 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd get good mutations. < 1336527987 207520 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or die, but that's also an option you have now, so you're not losing anything. < 1336528017 829618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336528295 955763 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What are you doing still with Trog? < 1336528309 785926 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exploring a labyrinth. < 1336528325 424595 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditch Trog once you're done with the labyrinth, okay? < 1336528339 118868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll put that into consideration. < 1336528455 363350 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: By "put that in consideration", you mean "okay", right? < 1336528462 272364 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, you're a merfolk. How hard can it be to deal with Xom? < 1336528466 99439 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you're a mummy. < 1336528626 268777 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336528636 772620 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: C'mon. < 1336528639 19119 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+F xom < 1336528685 861199 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+F xom < 1336528700 751316 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1336528705 658290 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+F temple < 1336528721 854066 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+F temple < 1336528752 477493 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl < 1336528753 172318 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1336528753 519636 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1336528754 549717 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :temple < 1336528763 780809 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1336528765 981699 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how you spell temple. < 1336528796 232905 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-205-183.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336528813 91866 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You're stupid and boring. < 1336528823 586412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1336528882 549354 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow CONVERT TO XOM IMMEDIATELY < 1336528882 567572 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2C3O4N5V6E7R8T9 2T3O4 5X6O7M8 9I2M3M4E5D6I7A8T9E2L3Y < 1336528968 712145 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Xom wants to welcome you!!!! < 1336528974 430622 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he can't because you won't visit him. < 1336529192 217035 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: He's actually crying. < 1336529198 94360 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goode < 1336529255 361115 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now he's laughing. < 1336529262 90791 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATEVER YOU DON'T LI nice ring. < 1336529273 682144 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you not wearing it? < 1336529308 910544 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Why aren't you wearing that ring. :( < 1336529335 378365 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1336529341 654993 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll replace the ring of hunger with it when i get a scroll of remove curse. :-) < 1336529343 640178 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice Robustness. < 1336529357 419177 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got both from the labyrinth. < 1336529396 420493 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :berk the plant < 1336530037 819126 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336530140 920658 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: SWITCH TO XOM < 1336530451 353774 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: GT GT GT GT < 1336530523 974377 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, i didn’t even realize i had this good rF and rC. < 1336530628 695114 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: See? So there's nothing Xom can do to hurt you. < 1336530643 723259 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OK, at least promise me you'll switch to Xom for the orb run if you get that far. < 1336530698 68810 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Trog's wrath won't even bother you with that kind of timescale. < 1336530799 957514 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336530845 842789 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Ping me when you enter a branch or anything interesting happens. < 1336530863 258485 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I can yell at you to convert to Xom.) < 1336531856 112553 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336531943 902894 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336531950 607436 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336532915 565552 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-112.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336533014 216846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-225-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336534169 98128 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-229-75.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336534205 385880 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-112.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336534465 978186 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336535119 140696 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336535125 903915 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-229-75.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336535134 122044 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336535885 746824 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005 < 1336536248 502963 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So how do you deal with early-game gnolls? :( < 1336536454 611417 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-32-248.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336537157 643853 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-216.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336537949 109363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diamond seem not even one of the characters it uses itself < 1336537977 490435 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote basically < 1336537981 940277 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 85) For those who don't know: INTERCAL is basically the I Wanna Be The Guy of programming languages. Not useful for anything serious, but pretty funny when viewed from the outside. \ 142) So basically we're having an awful lot of very dangerous intercourse. Involving open wounds. I'm going to < 1336538671 556078 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quasically < 1336538673 945370 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quasically: not found < 1336538733 409205 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336538803 580681 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1336539124 85254 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336539609 833925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make Writer into Either by: uncurry (flip $ maybe Right (const . Left) . getFirst) . runWriter (but this is not the case of WriterT) < 1336539642 706918 :elliottc!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1336539730 480880 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on what you have. :-) < 1336539738 447441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: assume nothing < 1336539739 140041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1336539746 664355 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flee < 1336539818 897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Polearm. < 1336539916 339114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Stop playing, I'm watching FooTV. :( < 1336539990 473274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:06 casmith789: did you hear about nethack 4? < 1336539993 57450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOSSIP < 1336540290 161426 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336540290 180479 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336540290 180634 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336540318 525940 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the dodging skill worth training when wearing heavy armoure? < 1336540403 596285 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna do L:8 < 1336540452 817926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, it's not. < 1336540453 852558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I hear. < 1336540487 925890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: plz resize ur terminal < 1336540494 687901 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: r < 1336540499 696003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no *ur* < 1336540501 459048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: pls convert to xom < 1336540505 462601 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336540509 58485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls convert to terminal < 1336540512 816860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls resize xom < 1336540813 864562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:20 tiles help you recognize monsters without having to check on the right or put yuor cursor over them. plus it adds flavor to the game < 1336540814 743814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1336540960 858116 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1336540999 934946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, shoals should be nice since i’m a mf. < 1336541021 756524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AREN'T YOU AXEOME YET < 1336541023 537306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*XOM < 1336541025 318582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axeome. < 1336541300 874392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you dead yet? < 1336541313 969582 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost < 1336541326 393595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1336541604 998552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rip, Aizul. < 1336541614 824609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In our hearts as they was in mind " < 1336542329 684518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you still playing? < 1336542332 139882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. < 1336542373 144451 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you hear about my exciting email from Prof. Don Knuth? < 1336542428 423589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Should I sleep? < 1336542447 842519 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : no < 1336542454 323852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ionno" < 1336542455 863321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET IT < 1336542563 55276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What message did you get? Knuth has no email, but I did once print out a message, put it in an envelope including address, give it to someone who was traveling there on business, who then gave it to the secretary of Knuth's office. < 1336542595 547189 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: His secretary (or someone) sent it to me. < 1336542680 685481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is it? < 1336542782 865030 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spoke with Ken Thompson and they agree that C89 shouldn't have allowed argc==0. < 1336542816 900432 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And various things. < 1336542933 372255 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there are any security holes caused by executing setuid binaries with argc = 0 < 1336542937 248595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree too; argc should be positive since it include program name, it is a part of how C works. Except: Sometimes in case main is not a program loaded from some operating system, but instead is the operating system itself or something like that, then you should not try to access argc at all. < 1336543007 1660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At least in the case of some programs I have written, there aren't any since all such programs intended to be setuid, I always check if it has correct command-line parameters first and the program terminates if it doesn't. < 1336543010 559954 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Unfortunately there isn't really a way to pass data in. < 1336543026 866009 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it can certainly cause segfaults. Maybe in some cases? < 1336543031 849230 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you can pass data in in the environment. < 1336543037 660814 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336543055 755581 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which comes right after argv on linux < 1336543057 503514 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something that reads too far into argv can be manipulated. < 1336543075 163703 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems suspicious. < 1336543076 146310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking while (--argc) { ... } < 1336543085 898641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will loop forever if argc=0 < 1336543095 851092 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read through the environment array on linux < 1336543099 643105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it won't. :( < 1336543111 911832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write programs intended to sun with setuid, or meant to be called remotely, I am always careful about these things. < 1336543123 826280 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (--argc) is an idiom that appears in several of Knuth's programs. < 1336543161 141117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But are they standard user programs? If so, it isn't such an issue. < 1336543184 842020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are meant for setuid or remote, then you have to be more careful. < 1336543189 15168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You infinitist. < 1336543203 398082 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well really it's undefined behavior < 1336543237 337623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it will eventually wrap around or it will segfault before that happens. < 1336543240 896701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Even if (argc != 2) { printf("Usage: %s BLAH", argv[0]); } is undefined behavior. < 1336543259 323799 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact printf %s with NULL used to segfault on Solaris libc until a few years ago. < 1336543263 293355 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc checks it, though. < 1336543279 175036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have never done a thing like that; I understand C programming. < 1336543285 751367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wonder why you know that < 1336543339 431279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, right. < 1336543344 346237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot C doesn't specify signed flow. < 1336543349 213765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's a good word for (under|over)flow?) < 1336543369 566296 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Which part? < 1336543395 860690 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've done a thing like that, and so have a bunch of other people. < 1336543408 549954 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the assumption that why would argc ever be < 1? < 1336543416 393822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of printf("Usage: %s BLAH", argv[0]); I will hardcode the program name (in a macro if necessary), and use fprintf(stderr,...) instead of sending the usage message to stdout, and include a line break. < 1336543439 589586 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That was just for illustrative purposes. < 1336543448 970963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1336543471 155475 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if (argc != 2) { fprintf(stderr, "Usage: %s BLAH\n", argv[0]); } is also UB < 1336543482 570111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Is* there a good word for (under|over)flow? < 1336543500 938703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, it is; but as I was saying I do not like to use argv[0] like that < 1336543505 889774 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optiflow < 1336543521 664002 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1336543566 500380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just call it overflow; I would use "underflow" only for stack underflow; but in case you don't like that then use different < 1336543575 857608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :secure C programming is easy as long as you don't make any mistakes < 1336543582 394042 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you usually bike on "trips"? < 1336543596 247177 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think arithmetic underflow is a kind of arithmetic overflow, broadly speaking < 1336543610 724633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, it is a kind of arithmetic overflow I agree < 1336543620 883884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you mean like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_lysergic_acid_diethylamide#.22Bicycle_Day.22 < 1336543654 557225 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, like that. < 1336543659 961062 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you linked to that before once. < 1336543675 633312 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was on Apr 19, in fact. < 1336543703 199938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is a program I have written in C and intend to make safe and secure; I look and am careful, and it probably is; but if you find something wrong with it then feel free to notify me (try to exploit it first if you want, as long as you cause no damage by doing so) < 1336543723 919652 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's your long Julytrip going to be? < 1336543732 205948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is all about the drugs. And trains. < 1336543741 336582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you ever been on a train... on acid? < 1336543749 296333 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1336543761 808674 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took 2C-E for an airplane trip though < 1336543766 288758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1336543797 35377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once walked while on ibuprofen. < 1336543798 590820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm (maybe) biking to Bethel, Vermont for Firefly, which is a New England regional Burning Man sort of thing < 1336543805 414775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just that hardcore. < 1336543814 807531 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i might get lazy and take the train < 1336543834 143210 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336543840 474411 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 150 miles, probably in 3 days < 1336543845 101772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2C-E is really not a catchy name. < 1336543850 721868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336543851 933498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need to work on their marketing. < 1336543866 417154 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it has even been popular enough to get a street name < 1336543869 873162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs are totally ready for a disruptive startup. < 1336543879 397571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need some of that Y Combinator funding. < 1336543896 690154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also insert Haskell joke. < 1336543913 564483 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about genetically engineered E. coli which produce psilocybin < 1336543918 158296 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be disruptive < 1336543941 711732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any street name is doomed to failure since 2C-E is simply not that distinctive for the majority of users." < 1336543954 36458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, startup joke... uhh... < 1336543962 819093 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is pretty hard to distinguish the 5HT agonists, honestly < 1336543976 228274 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has their own pet theory about how shrooms are more foo and acid is more bar, but they don't really match up < 1336543979 870573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if I'm on some kind of watchlist for that search.) < 1336543986 80816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope so.) < 1336544002 942945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think many people could tell them apart in a double-blind test, but their criteria for doing so will not be transferrable < 1336544034 265476 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336544062 874625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was going to sleep, wasn't I. < 1336544074 495471 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1336544078 162214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WEREN'T < 1336544090 303374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Internet Quiz Engine? Do you believe it is not a security breach? < 1336544102 271796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :( < 1336544116 882145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I don't sleep now, I'll sleep later. And probably not a later enough later to not wake up when it's dark or getting it. < 1336544117 53034 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interquiz net engine < 1336544143 984255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I meant the other one. < 1336544173 894011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "Do you believe it is not a security breach?" is a question that can only be prompted by something that demonstrates "it" is probably a security breach. < 1336544175 97359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1336544266 1279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is no such demonstration I know of at this time, but it is written in C and the source-codes is available to public, and it can be accessed remotely. < 1336544347 69438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Programming in the 21st Century seems to be devolving into self-reference a bit. < 1336544622 416195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should I sleep. :( < 1336544640 984963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you tired? Is it dark? < 1336544652 472180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and no. < 1336544658 31952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was dark but then it stopped being dark and got light again. < 1336544674 932939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep if you like to do so, please. < 1336544682 211112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is it < 1336544698 583571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The, uh, sky, I guess. < 1336544748 13440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imeant Programming in the 21st Century < 1336544752 899632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1336544764 11169 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that blog < 1336544766 244885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog21.dadgum.com/. It's a pretty good blog. < 1336544777 657490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as good as http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/, though! < 1336544865 715117 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whowrites arcanesentiment?? < 1336545006 387249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog21 claims to be a "super technical programming blog" but i just flipped through a half dozen articles and saw about 3 lines of code total < 1336545018 844932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it claim that? < 1336545023 133736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://prog21.dadgum.com/137.html < 1336545053 101285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's more than a little joking. It was more code-focused a while ago, anyway. < 1336545058 660370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "a while" I mean "a few years".) < 1336545063 703488 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the author has got a different "super technical programming blog"! < 1336545074 641263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also here's yet another person who thinks the entire and sole point of Haskell is to never use state < 1336545085 890101 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly in re the latest article) < 1336545108 287499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unfair. < 1336545127 617710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not exactly inexperienced with functional languages. < 1336545131 160915 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1336545133 97494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they should learn! < 1336545157 819414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you're using state, then it's only tenuously "functional programming" in the "declarative programming" sense most people use it to mean. < 1336545165 317800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's Haskell is another matter entirely, of course. < 1336545185 370402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("State" here used as an abbreviation for "mutable state in the usual imperative manner".) < 1336545204 64188 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336545238 628849 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common fallacy; this article is not an especially strong instance < 1336545239 531016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use state, and a bunch of other things, by using the correct computable mathematical representation of such things. And, isn't there some commands in Haskell to make these imperative kind of state in IO monad? < 1336545240 954459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"functional programming" doesn't mean much. < 1336545258 534639 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternatively, means too much.) < 1336545268 963935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :means too many different things < 1336545271 580413 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my new goals on the Internet is to avoid arguments that are about words. < 1336545281 125841 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're explicitly about words, maybe. < 1336545281 906047 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all arguments about words? < 1336545295 928644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that definition, everything is a "correct computable mathematical representation". < 1336545302 269090 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, some arguments just use them. < 1336545303 477548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is a correct computable mathematical representation because you can model it formally. < 1336545306 100846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds elegant. < 1336545312 530234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selegant. < 1336545375 356784 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a super technical programming blog < 1336545395 454547 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Arguments which stem from unshared definitions or axioms are probably rarely fruitful. < 1336545430 895541 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definition disagreements are reasonably easy to overcome if someone notices and clarifies things. < 1336545443 752712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a super technical programming blog. < 1336545470 594242 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If two people have unshared axioms then an argument about theorems resulting from those axioms is mostly pointless. < 1336545491 480779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they explicitly acknowledge it, and are trying to justify their respective axioms informally < 1336545500 712342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ehird.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/computing-fib3-in-haskells-type-system.html -- is this super technical enough? (Okay, I never made any other posts to that thing. And also I broke the code before posting it because I didn't understand why "instance (C a) => D a" wouldn't work.) < 1336545507 341817 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a rumour that a tradition in Indian philosophy is to say "these are my axioms; OK, these are your axioms; for the purpose of this argument let's just use the intersection" < 1336545539 902044 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds too reasonable to be true, though. :-) < 1336545542 389386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not every argument is about words. Some are about irreconcilable differences in value systems. < 1336545552 447019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can make those to be arguments about words, too. (Such as the definition of "good".) < 1336545584 347507 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can *make* nearly any argument be about words. < 1336545590 430029 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the art of "politics". < 1336545597 899699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336545600 278287 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's pretty cheeky for him to claim to be on "the cutting edge of functional programming research" < 1336545602 962852 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't work out whether elliott's /ignore is on the IRC level or on the elliott level. < 1336545618 217975 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Didn't you hear? "cutting edge" is the old "mainstream". < 1336545625 61449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, cheeky, as in the position of his tongue when writing that. < 1336545628 930228 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be on at least the "bleeding edge" to be worth anything. < 1336545633 940988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're taking him way too seriously. :p < 1336545656 458174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it's tongue in cheek, but implicit in that joke is the assertion that actual published FP research is worthless < 1336545671 30324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should test it at first before writing the report. < 1336545681 395383 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear how the number of unordered n-tuples of elements of k is (n + k - 1) choose k? < 1336545688 528008 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess I did mention that while you were here. < 1336545703 576204 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look at this shit essay i wrote, and it's super popular now, I guess that invalidates everyone else working in this field" < 1336545705 818630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's necessarily true; I think he was commenting more on the prominence of what he wrote in searches for the same thing, which had artificially made him resemble an authority. (But this is a silly thing to argue about.) < 1336545775 30725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used Icon. Maybe I should use Icon. < 1336545821 624185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But any language that can implement its own interpreter isn't total!" Hmm, that sounds too vague to be strictly true. < 1336545903 180320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you used Icon? < 1336546067 502155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hey, does that statement correspond to Goedel's theorem?) < 1336546079 632142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And is the vagueness fixed by requiring the same things it does?) < 1336546147 41908 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't < 1336546150 748699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I sleep. :( < 1336546190 194683 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336546206 874337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to sleep elliott < 1336546210 703052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why. :( < 1336546218 459097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes at least to me it does seem like Goedel's theorem, too < 1336546255 112201 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i agree with the prog21 guy more often than not < 1336546265 387793 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've linked a lot of people to "Advice for aimless excited programmers" < 1336546273 740186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, I think it does. You want to construct the program P = interpret(encoding of P). < 1336546280 983670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that gets you _|_. < 1336546299 548024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've frequently ranted about how "Let's reimplement all existing software, but in Haskell!" is dumb < 1336546316 656793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's exceptionally dumb. They should do it in @lang intsead. < 1336546318 632203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insetad. < 1336546320 6278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fuck. < 1336546321 387772 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336546331 13306 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern "Haskell" { ... } < 1336546341 585198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1336546344 301967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lang can't talk to Haskell. < 1336546344 464030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1336546353 907167 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that GCC has extern "Java" { ... } < 1336546363 569211 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. < 1336546378 39707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Shouldn't I sleep? < 1336546384 808916 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nein. < 1336546391 427790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should sleep < 1336546393 690508 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should implement extern "@lang" { ... } < 1336546407 517540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1336546409 805269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing can talk to @lang. < 1336546414 279961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on. < 1336546417 290313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pure. < 1336546430 208088 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then how will i write a video game?? < 1336546434 208087 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336546435 454451 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate atheists < 1336546447 990073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the computer going to do anything if the nothing can talk to the @lang? < 1336546450 859574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: divine intervention < 1336546456 54293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use a device with a crappy UI if I understand the UI because I made it < 1336546460 57705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1336546460 755658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any ahead-of-time native compilers for C# < 1336546462 547211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must somehow be some command to do so. < 1336546479 456008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It will mumble to an x86-64 computer if it has to. < 1336546482 46600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is only the other way! < 1336546488 138702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will refuse to rise to the level of "talking". < 1336546508 543419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it'll be really rude about it, should I sleep. < 1336546553 370875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Should I sleep. < 1336546590 225466 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that there are no high-level "mainstream" languages with AOT native compilers < 1336546605 8312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AOT native compilers are sort of horrible to use. < 1336546615 706576 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There's gcj, isn't there? < 1336546624 456806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does D count as: high-level; "mainstream"? < 1336546625 10233 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336546628 906206 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that's not a mainstream compiler. < 1336546631 940195 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should have put "mainstream" on "compilers" as well < 1336546635 716058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, checkmate Pythonistas. < 1336546635 886404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think D is mainstream < 1336546640 962907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...It had to sound similar.) < 1336546645 825314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's in TIOBE!!!! < 1336546651 205383 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg tiobe < 1336546661 960868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIOBE, also known for: absolutely fucking nothing else. < 1336546664 876493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Index Of Bad Estimates < 1336546670 923116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nothing fucking, perhaps. < 1336546670 941387 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn < 1336546686 834889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKING FURTHER AT THE TIOBE INDEX (this is my catchphrase), Lisp sort of counts. < 1336546689 826194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also... Logo? < 1336546700 545459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They think Logo is the 19th most popular programming language. < 1336546702 94380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe COBOL is high level < 1336546707 412571 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody my age knows anything about COBOL < 1336546708 897896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure what's up with that. < 1336546727 91748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a bunch of false matches for the word "logo". < 1336546734 924722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is NXT-G? < 1336546739 658564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1336546739 676686 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does Algol 68 count as mainstream and/or high-level? < 1336546740 348402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lego. < 1336546749 911026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's the 20th most popular programming language! < 1336546749 929161 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess so < 1336546762 149744 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Vala counts as both < 1336546765 63970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol 68 counts as "mainstream"? < 1336546774 110452 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was at one point at least. < 1336546780 198712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was? < 1336546787 64401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding was that nobody used Algol 68. < 1336546791 383362 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an Algol 68 interpreter installed on my machine. < 1336546793 828009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's complicated as shit. < 1336546800 437453 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird language. < 1336546801 719462 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala is used to write desktop apps, which we all know is the criterion for language success < 1336546802 972376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ALGOL 68 is substantially different from Algol 60 and was criticised partially for being so, so that in general "Algol" refers to dialects of Algol 60." < 1336546814 580185 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure 'nough. < 1336546841 473127 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether there can be such a thing as cynicism overflow. < 1336546841 491493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fork of the GNOME note-taking application Tomboy that tries to be completely identical in every way except it's written in C++ rather than C#. < 1336546843 673597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Mono. < 1336546850 922477 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we can figure out a way to exploit kmc. < 1336546854 543723 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell might be used in financial analysis and bioinformatics and NSA cryptography, but it won't truly be mainstream until someone uses it to write a GTK+ app for downloading cat pictures < 1336546866 188398 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ManateeLazyCat probably did that already < 1336546868 411044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure manatee can do that WHY THE FUCK AM I AWAKE < 1336546871 37881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1336546873 108524 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1336546892 48766 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought haskell isn't and shouldn't be a "mainstream" language < 1336546895 755200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Should I sleep." < 1336546896 37208 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I mentioned Algol 68 and then elliott mentioned it. < 1336546897 593527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather a language of many interesting niches < 1336546901 773855 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What time is it? < 1336546905 368003 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott is reading my messages, just not replying. < 1336546905 711018 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when did you wake? < 1336546906 225679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time pikhq < 1336546908 698151 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for pikhq is Wed May 9 01:01:46 2012 < 1336546912 336969 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time elliott < 1336546912 983785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is 2012-05-09 07:01:52 +0000 < 1336546913 926812 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1336546918 128812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm in BST.) < 1336546924 733980 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you wake? < 1336546932 759095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 19:00. :( < 1336546953 78500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seem to be late for wake up!! < 1336546961 802562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1336546965 249828 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only 12 hours awake, then? < 1336546982 175091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that's too much arithmetic for how tired I am. < 1336547000 884987 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You tired shouldn't be. < 1336547009 98810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't sleep much. < 1336547031 274178 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey, i'm not *only* a cynic < 1336547036 37810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You aren't? < 1336547062 860585 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *only* a cynic. A cynic with a super technical programming blog. < 1336547066 718601 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a difference! < 1336547066 736780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other programming language not used anymore is BLISS (there is a lack of modern implementation); C became common. Although, I (and some others too) think some ideas of BLISS are better designed than C. (LLVM is also better designed than C) < 1336547068 112000 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336547091 511839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LLVM is better than C" is my favourite zzo38 opinion. < 1336547116 643975 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you're using it for < 1336547123 28183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming. < 1336547125 749756 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc backend < 1336547131 447055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not just compiling to.) < 1336547143 148272 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you write actual code in C? < 1336547164 306076 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think C is a pretty good language in its niche < 1336547176 263715 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its niche being "languages that are C"? < 1336547188 370685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY SHOULD I SLEEP < 1336547189 230249 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not "close to the machine" or "a portable assembler" < 1336547194 31431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq never even answered me. :( < 1336547194 894624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, LLVM does lack macros and so on; but if we can make something that has some features of BLISS and also all the LLVM commands, and then translates everything that isn't direct LLVM command into the LLVM commands, and then it will compile; would be good idea. < 1336547206 400697 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who's the cynic now :( < 1336547206 915915 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I vote "not unless you're tired". < 1336547215 975720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's a portable PDP assembler, which doesn't contradict anything you said :P < 1336547224 970131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss real CISCs. (note: I've never used a real CISC) < 1336547229 799963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am :'( < 1336547247 482865 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Should've voted: "iff you're tired" < 1336547252 116786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C is, I suppose, pretty good language in its niche, but it has some bad designs < 1336547256 415948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336547267 806865 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It continues to bother me that people think C is "close to the machine". It's not all that close to x86 ASM, which itself is pretty abstracted from the hardware. < 1336547269 88540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also by "C" i mean C99 with a variety of GNU extensions < 1336547283 84824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So is that yes if you are tired? < 1336547287 269211 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1336547290 41258 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once it was easy to tell what C's bad designs were. < 1336547292 6806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 8+8. < 1336547297 403408 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the idea that it's "portable assembler" makes for some astonishingly bad C. < 1336547297 721732 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I forbade de signs of the bad designs < 1336547300 407824 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 16 < 1336547300 929984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, it's 17.) < 1336547301 790380 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well I think "close to the abstraction presented by the hardware" is a valid meaning of "close to the machine" < 1336547305 971189 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i try to reserve judgement < 1336547316 375324 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes many people are misinformed here, and it bothers me < 1336547319 891014 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet I'm more tired than you. < 1336547321 421536 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time shachaf < 1336547322 910955 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time elliott < 1336547323 518417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is 2012-05-09 07:08:43 +0000 < 1336547327 8999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Wed May 9 00:08:41 2012 < 1336547327 769318 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1336547331 625034 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C isn't particularly close to the absraction presented by the hardware, either < 1336547332 687516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You would have fit in here great a few years ago when I was complaining about all the same things. < 1336547338 698252 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 'Cept it's not *that* close to x86. < 1336547342 320784 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a good deal closer than most languages people use < 1336547345 768785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should only take you a few months to decide to write an OS. < 1336547350 457113 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, memcpy is a single instruction. < 1336547359 246439 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C compilers do a lot of fancy non-local optimization < 1336547361 662939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then some bad things happen though, SORRY THAT'S FATE. < 1336547364 463598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a computer that can be programmed in Checkout < 1336547371 869577 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you were complaining about this before it was cool? < 1336547376 759512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :( < 1336547390 170557 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, strcpy, sorry. < 1336547405 496260 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: memcpy too, no? < 1336547405 702428 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't memcpy also? < 1336547413 970368 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, bleh. Right. < 1336547418 871860 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an instruction that decrements ecx and checks if it's 0 or something. < 1336547429 928009 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also rep movs < 1336547432 209654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a Portal 2 sale. < 1336547441 289848 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hion < 1336547551 843660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The consensus is that I sleep, right? < 1336547553 170764 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336547571 689399 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336547577 395597 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Huh, Portal 2 supports user-made puzzles these days? < 1336547603 666534 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: As of, uh, today. < 1336547622 623258 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess strcpy is repne movsb < 1336547625 234876 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1336547637 532896 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep ret < 1336547646 199459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rep nop < 1336547649 854249 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these great instructions. < 1336547662 82252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 those instructions < 1336547665 249728 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, those have undefined behavior. < 1336547673 757227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're all useless. < 1336547682 435882 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm pretty sure an Intel and/or AMD manual defines the behaviors of those. < 1336547687 590945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are particular chips which define both < 1336547687 762153 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 寝る方が良い < 1336547697 915496 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I want a disassembler that shows what each instruction actually does! < 1336547701 349755 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sweet jesus on a stick. < 1336547703 328826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to sleep better < 1336547707 576889 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel calls rep nop "pause" but it's encoded as rep nop < 1336547710 806380 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apparently something like that, yes. < 1336547722 523887 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a spin loop hint < 1336547725 864364 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Intel manual has a pretty precise description of each instruction in sort-of pseudocode. < 1336547751 838740 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a lot of it could be cut out to fit the context (you know whether you're in long mode and so on). < 1336547753 897289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ian#DEC_VAX < 1336547758 564514 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 日本語で寝られるの < 1336547761 41900 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be a useful feature of a disassembler program. < 1336547763 422957 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does one exist? < 1336547777 22695 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "rep ret" is a workaround for a bug in some AMD branch predictors < 1336547787 98441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Timeline_of_esoteric_programming_languages#AS.2F400 < 1336547788 182283 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yay, I can read the first three characters of that! < 1336547791 788072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc might like those.) < 1336547792 133470 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the new advice is to use "ret 0" instead < 1336547798 545662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I can read the first two and then make a heuristic guess at the third. < 1336547809 189288 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1336547819 568194 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The heuristic guess is almost certainly right. :) < 1336547827 345721 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep. < 1336547843 108066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self tomorrow: fix unsigned tempalte on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Turing-complete. < 1336547854 225380 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "で" mean? < 1336547858 57638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also correct myself wrt hosted C and CHAR_BIT. < 1336547859 969025 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a particle? What's a particle? < 1336547863 34649 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean "in"? < 1336547875 488841 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "in Japanese"? < 1336547881 80337 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In this context, yes. < 1336547895 594766 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To which question? < 1336547901 738398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep assholes. < 1336547912 538773 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Actually, all the ones where "yes" is a sensible answer. < 1336547922 211966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these assholes are so slept. < 1336547923 246126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336547932 676794 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"で" is a particle meaning something along the lines of "by means of"... < 1336547964 540687 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is "ら" a ra? < 1336547968 613169 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336547974 613555 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird font. < 1336547986 439175 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sentence translates as "You can sleep in Japanese" < 1336547989 408809 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And れ is re. < 1336547994 443667 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1336548000 814565 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rareruno? < 1336548006 9445 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1336548009 347845 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean? < 1336548017 510135 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nihongo de nerareru no" < 1336548033 685225 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That big complicated thing is just pronounced "ne"? < 1336548046 751121 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese-language by-means-of sleep-able explanation < 1336548049 744126 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336548089 837699 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not just write "ne"? < 1336548095 493538 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIDDLED YOU THERE, DIDN'T I < 1336548116 540289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, so that it can be understood < 1336548120 733040 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause that'd be ね, not 寝. < 1336548132 748521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why not just write "ne" < 1336548136 61801 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, so much harder to read. < 1336548147 943842 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goode pointe < 1336548165 461800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with how hard it is to read, but with how hard it is to understand, which is different. < 1336548172 577770 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :め looks too much like ぬ < 1336548188 3876 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 中華人民民主主義共和国 is much nicer than ちゅうかじんみんみんしゅしゅぎきょうわこく. < 1336548208 594471 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that say? < 1336548217 646359 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Democratic People's Republic of China" < 1336548224 40066 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. < 1336548225 633780 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longest all-kanji phrase I could pull out of my ass. < 1336548228 791295 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :中 < 1336548265 402314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :中? < 1336548291 349226 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. China is the "middle country" donchano < 1336548314 525178 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they literally thought they were the center of everything so they called themselves that.) < 1336548343 384915 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what 中 is. < 1336548345 473595 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336548356 924839 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without looking it up. Too easy, right? < 1336548365 374329 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To be fair, everyone thought they were the center of everything. < 1336548374 893372 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a pity they were all wrong until America came along! < 1336548377 401314 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Middle", "center". < 1336548393 435504 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I look at it as mouth-thing + line-thing or something? < 1336548402 822005 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how it's written, yes. < 1336548408 285559 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336548410 865632 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the line-thing? < 1336548416 466112 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a line. < 1336548422 58706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am even play mahjong. I know it means center, and in Japanese mahjong this tile is called "chun" < 1336548436 568567 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single line going top-to-bottom. < 1336548453 576230 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write really fast it ends up looking a little bit like ゆ < 1336548497 565770 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1336548507 93190 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:23 < pikhq> I mean, 中華人民民主主義共和国 is much nicer than ちゅうかじんみんみんしゅしゅぎきょうわこく. < 1336548518 75785 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :華 looks like it has a bunch of things. < 1336548524 461578 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a rice-field-thing? < 1336548538 314442 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. < 1336548551 937212 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... Weird. < 1336548560 638022 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 華? < 1336548567 290529 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever see it outside of 中華. < 1336548580 812282 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pronounced how? < 1336548586 258245 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :か < 1336548591 498453 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember the semantics, cause it's basically only there. < 1336548593 959435 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 中華 < 1336548598 320606 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ちゅうか < 1336548631 183935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1336548642 191411 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :人 means "life" or "person" or something like that? < 1336548650 557234 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1336548656 166657 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Person". < 1336548668 11555 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :person or human < 1336548669 904809 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I did the wrong damned phrase. < 1336548683 151740 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only 中華人民共和国 < 1336548691 424073 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1336548693 515784 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People's Republic of China". < 1336548698 945735 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not officially democratic. < 1336548717 867821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 民 < 1336548726 718571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trombone player"? < 1336548728 775997 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People", in the sense of "people's" < 1336548737 671588 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we already had "person". < 1336548755 986933 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1336548830 803298 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So person-people? < 1336548849 713703 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1336548867 145327 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :人民 is "people's", as used in the names of communist countries. < 1336548896 133287 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1336548902 346164 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of 和? < 1336548914 82074 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a thing-thing next to a mouth-thing. < 1336548914 796773 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peaceful"-ish < 1336548940 209338 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :共和国 cooperative-peaceful-country ish = republic < 1336548954 65469 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of that stuff about the AS/400 seems decidedly not-stupid < 1336549053 945635 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strongly typed pointers, unified ram/disk address space, hardware garbage collection < 1336549057 91997 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these all sound great < 1336549122 123154 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also AIUI the instruction set is a virtual-ish thingy which the OS compiles to model-specific native instructions < 1336549137 666924 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS/400 sounds fancy. < 1336549183 953255 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to go to sleep. < 1336549526 178358 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does. < 1336549645 957836 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-140-114.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336549803 59346 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-230-4.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336550000 139863 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336550028 853367 :TheConsultant!~Editor@41.160.19.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336550034 25423 :TheConsultant!~Editor@41.160.19.147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336550130 456243 :TheConsultant!~Editor@41.160.19.147 PART :#esoteric < 1336550766 340630 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336551732 552519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336555175 465038 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1336558025 658276 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336558215 549939 :cheater!~cheater@g231032119.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336558215 568327 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336558504 667701 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336558662 579406 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the problem with doing all that in hardware is that you're stuck with it. < 1336558736 45592 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1336558748 559232 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new idea! < 1336558752 43602 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we've seen many OSes and langs improve considerably especially because they've been designed for a comparably fairly minimal hardware platform < 1336558754 885802 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: do it < 1336558762 969393 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna hear about it? < 1336558772 124614 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i want to download an exe < 1336558779 3092 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exe = i have no time for u < 1336558799 2787 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k what's your idea? < 1336558810 259235 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is to create a language built specifically to make games in batch < 1336558818 677273 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :batch? < 1336558827 923780 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically you have a script telling it what to d eg < 1336558828 135943 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1336558842 228237 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :move sprite to newpos < 1336558851 151729 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will move < 1336558870 480927 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its Geniusi thought it up in a split second < 1336558893 513414 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sprite do shoot enemy at position x y < 1336558917 435779 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1336558931 789922 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sprite do shoot enemy at x y results miss do sprite do shoot enemy at new position x y < 1336558961 444086 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its going to be so AWESOME! < 1336558976 688723 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall call it < 1336558990 238708 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :BatchMove < 1336559009 7967 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: well like i said the instruction set is a virtual-ish thingy which the OS compiles to model-specific native instructions < 1336559019 15948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think you can use those native instructions too < 1336559050 215367 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you specify garbage collection instructions then in the worst case you implement them in software, as now < 1336559131 627884 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :game start with player at position x y and enemy at position x y and not win < 1336559162 815509 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ima go work on this new language wish me luck < 1336559342 674811 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah but you also mentioned hardware features < 1336559347 230916 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hw gc.. < 1336559365 103763 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :were typed pointers a hw thing? < 1336559398 169250 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is probably hard to emulate without hardware support < 1336559410 168806 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i've spent way too much time reading up on vintage op amps. < 1336559421 904263 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, why < 1336559423 973580 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you just have a software gc, no? < 1336559427 856409 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am interested < 1336559436 451102 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm big on recording equipment and stuff < 1336559450 35221 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hit a link about the jensen 990 randomly < 1336559458 910076 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i searched for that stuff i could find nothing < 1336559465 424514 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the web's full of that stuff < 1336559490 864543 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls op\ amps/ -1A | wc -l < 1336559490 921436 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :66 < 1336559517 456771 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mostly just info about 4 different op amps < 1336559528 708808 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that was my last 3 hours < 1336559558 48779 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :did u kno: the first op amps were just pcb's with components on 'em < 1336559580 497859 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336559586 632122 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they started potting that stuff in resin and calling it an "integrated circuit" < 1336559602 854681 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about discrete op amps is that they have amazing headroom < 1336559609 953449 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of current capability < 1336559619 887416 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are really good for like, high-end mixers < 1336559662 750137 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get really low noise too < 1336559707 557962 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime i ended up listening to biosphere - cirque and it totally put me in the zone gathering info about that stuff < 1336559720 718216 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy's music is fairly hypnotic < 1336559807 583407 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc, do you know of anything in linux that could slow down disk io considerably? < 1336559831 787659 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some sort of debug libs or a misconfiguration < 1336559899 288100 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed for some time my pc's disk operation was very slow, but i thought it was just a bit older than usual, but now i started comparing that with network IO and it's much faster when i get data from the network directly, without hdd access < 1336559917 502998 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. browser using or not using a local squid instance < 1336559942 403692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's expected that network IO to a good server over a fast pipe will be faster than a shitty local hard drive < 1336559943 456457 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash videos while it's buffering vs while it's done downloading (the former really ends up skipping around) < 1336559952 414174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds severe though < 1336559965 912724 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/block_dump < 1336559967 924664 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well notice that just a pending download in youtube can slow things down < 1336559974 696504 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will start to spew block layer events to the system log < 1336559978 895182 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you see something in there < 1336559986 379555 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :misconfiguration of the block device can do it too < 1336559993 316697 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an old ubuntu < 1336559998 222634 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check hdparm, maybe dma is disabled or something < 1336559999 256963 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i started with 8.something < 1336560003 446644 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1336560006 50277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot a livecd and see if block performance gets better < 1336560013 786669 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a filemon for linux? < 1336560022 757626 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what filemon is < 1336560037 819520 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :filemon is a windows thing from sysinternals, shows you all file operations happening on your pc < 1336560043 483723 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugger < 1336560067 306717 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe linux is doing something like that and reporting it to some api and hogging down because of this < 1336560098 691641 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to get all file events on linux < 1336560105 462350 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about some file events < 1336560106 96409 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get them for individual files/directories using inotify < 1336560107 651529 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or most file events < 1336560112 123358 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336560118 397710 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some sort of inotify fuckup < 1336560118 914620 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also check iotop < 1336560124 642006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if some program is hogging the IO bandwidth < 1336560139 109022 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd know that, the hdds would be running constantly < 1336560140 881801 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not that < 1336560151 572995 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336560153 744218 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, every time there's file io it has a constant wait time < 1336560167 914162 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or constant cpu time < 1336560198 643315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about IO scheduler settings < 1336560200 934723 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /sys/class/block/sda/queue/scheduler < 1336560211 712408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i think there are a bunch of tunables < 1336560215 678974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what to do with them < 1336560246 830802 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: in gnome press alt-f2 and you get a popup for running a program < 1336560258 159672 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i press alt-f2 and while i'm typing it tries to autocomplete or something < 1336560267 765819 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the window freezes for like half a second < 1336560295 487834 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if i quickly type, e.g. nm-applet, and press enter, then it closes the window immediately and starts the program < 1336560332 350800 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :while doing that i look at iotop but nothing conclusive happens < 1336560359 634740 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-panel (which is what spawns the window) shows up at the top of iotop but for a split second and it doesn't bump any summaries < 1336560406 246624 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the last one was a lie, it does bump "total disk read" but only to like 800 K/s < 1336560429 101839 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try killing random parts of gnome until it stops < 1336560429 275572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that new blktrace thing for IO tracing. < 1336560501 402118 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# hdparm -d /dev/sda4 < 1336560501 576957 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda4: < 1336560501 595170 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device < 1336560510 534022 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# hdparm -d /dev/sda < 1336560510 589573 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda: < 1336560510 589762 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device < 1336560534 416382 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :manual says: -d get/set using_dma flag < 1336560550 309651 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1336560562 596036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hdparm -i" should show the mode it's using with a *. < 1336560594 967141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose using_dma is some sort of a specific thing for a specific case. < 1336560665 510555 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336560679 430553 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6 < 1336560766 580851 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdparm -i shows me around 75 MB/s, that shouldn't be so bad then < 1336560778 292586 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be that something in linux is eating cpu while i'm writing to disk? < 1336560812 465679 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using gvfs for some things, but of course not for the root (which is what would be written to and read from by all the cases i described) < 1336561014 133906 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's even something in gnome - do e.g. flash or firefox use some sort of gnome api for fs access? < 1336561065 287006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash would use firefox for fs access < 1336561071 878149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think firefox uses gvfs but it's possible < 1336561140 338526 :shubshub!~yaaic@118-92-21-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz QUIT :Quit: R.I.P < 1336561241 797469 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the gvfs thing and the flash/firefox disk access thing were separate ideas < 1336561256 40265 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think firefox would be like.. specifically using some sort of gvfs api. < 1336561372 815677 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you said "some sort of gnome api" < 1336561379 490230 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1336561472 228746 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :# cat /sys/class/block/sda/queue/scheduler < 1336561472 578730 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :noop deadline [cfq] < 1336561496 461557 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, cfq is the default and is usually sensible < 1336561518 615440 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hdparm -i shows me around 75 MB/s" < that should've been -t < 1336561547 617685 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the smallest turing-complete esolang? < 1336561554 181506 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by smallest i mean "least instructions" < 1336561574 225748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one instruction < 1336561579 44605 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without production rules or i/o) < 1336561591 846419 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract and branch if negative < 1336561658 889753 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subleq < 1336561710 655820 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : try killing random parts of gnome until it stops < there's not much gnome to kill really, i've got gnome-panel, gdm-simple-slave, gnome-keyring-daemon, gnome-session, polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1, gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility/gdu-notification-daemon, < 1336561766 123294 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why a disk utility needs a daemon is beyond me though < 1336562062 681937 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336562091 585571 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336562324 519188 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336562406 349286 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you use gnome 2? < 1336562429 846250 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... not really sure < 1336562437 914495 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ubuntu are you on? < 1336562445 259112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that's actually debian < 1336562449 70918 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian unstable < 1336562456 116537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a gnome login session < 1336562461 58196 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my preferred amount of gnome is 0 < 1336562471 311334 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336562476 571887 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336562483 672360 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like to use certain applications which in turn launch various of those gnome daemons < 1336562497 260789 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every so often I will get annoyed and try to disable most of them < 1336562497 950951 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i need you to be using gnome-panel though < 1336562508 90652 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1336562512 669933 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no panel or status bar of any kind < 1336562517 713352 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i want someone to strace their gnome-panel < 1336562521 545294 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i can compair < 1336562532 255966 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ask #ubuntu < 1336562535 573737 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[troll suggestion] < 1336562544 489420 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use gnome 3 < 1336562546 556066 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is inferior < 1336562568 345657 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of them do < 1336562587 921410 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru troll < 1336562601 545308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 LTS desktop is still supported < 1336562601 889289 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!trollcoins kmc +20 < 1336562609 987083 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was the most recent LTS until like last week < 1336562617 237239 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only gets strong arm support < 1336562630 581444 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what i mean < 1336562633 672045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336562649 14462 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like those parents that beat their children because they "love them" < 1336562675 251511 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 is that kind of abuse case i guess < 1336562683 29523 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then < 1336562695 655458 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll troll #gnome < 1336562869 430960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: what should i do next for mosh < 1336562997 9957 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it use 1 port < 1336563021 847070 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: 32 bit color < 1336563127 359185 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add an audio player < 1336563181 817494 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll suggestion: hidden cmdline switch that engages a plasma visual < 1336563302 916235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336563339 359124 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw 32-bit color < 1336563344 404667 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-precision HDR floating point < 1336563453 169610 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1336563583 611928 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336563728 251669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336563728 980276 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336564172 345400 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336564340 527478 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336564595 421681 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336564721 232668 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336566988 62121 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336568904 697434 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-81.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336568904 985541 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336568930 725886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-140-114.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1336568934 6765 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! Got my system unfucked. ^_^ < 1336569153 789756 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the fuckage? < 1336569225 572943 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: /sbin/init was broken < 1336569303 892582 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll do it < 1336569310 904199 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happens < 1336569319 136983 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it happen? < 1336569332 153697 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1336569336 508743 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1336569347 852675 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once fixed a server that had an error in a shellscript inside initrd < 1336569356 137205 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, busybox itself didn't quite run correctly < 1336569359 49806 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, weird boot failures. < 1336569411 323883 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: /sbin/init was symlink to broken busybox which got broken because power cable fell out of my computer's power socket when I was updating < 1336569473 13334 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336569533 497049 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336569542 682682 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my thing had somehow gotten a busybox that wouldn't work correctly in an early boot environment < 1336569555 978482 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wanted procfs to be mounted to work correctly < 1336569568 748614 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was one of the things the shellscript it was supposed to run was supposed to do. < 1336569575 291355 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it didn't quite work. < 1336569675 969936 :augur!~augur@206.196.184.146 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336569929 883798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity, which distros were the two of you using < 1336570945 902148 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336571677 423581 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336571677 458767 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336571677 477053 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336571749 284147 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch Gentoo < 1336571865 464814 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336572236 995594 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336572889 185895 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1336573750 101072 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336575488 705428 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-129.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336575493 35954 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-81.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336576439 405631 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-147.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336576448 269315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-129.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336577140 37927 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336577159 673521 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey... I have an idea for an esolang < 1336577193 608655 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have a wiki account :( < 1336577214 209688 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone create it for me? < 1336577219 626585 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I' < 1336577228 692770 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give the info. < 1336577582 842945 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PART :#esoteric < 1336577741 48063 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336577765 289079 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I left by accident. < 1336577778 4063 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, i'm leaving anyway. < 1336577791 662731 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have a BF quine? < 1336577801 767199 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PART #esoteric :"BF quine?" < 1336578423 567608 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell esolang_1234 1) You don't need an account on the wiki to make a page, anonymous editing is allowed. 2) There are no sensitive credentials required to create an account, why not just make one? < 1336578423 713656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336578489 627481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be esolangs named BF and Brainf*ck and Brainf**k, each vastly different from Brainfuck < 1336578542 100650 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is Befunge ;) < 1336578625 385987 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1336578726 584561 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336579183 465713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if multitasking increases cases of internet addiction. as drowning in browser tabs can tell us, when men (i simply do not know about women) have the opportunity to multitask they create for themselves task-debt < 1336579263 527367 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover that one of the fundamental differences between how we do things with a computer and without is probably the multitasking < 1336579292 153978 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you assume this is gender dimorphic for no reason < 1336579311 361748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "like" i mean "kill all humans" < 1336579322 178398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason = a lifetime of growing up being told women are better at multitasking < 1336579362 315281 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the task thing, im wrong about that too of course since multi tasking is about cpu time more than user interface time < 1336579403 875579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe that xerox didn't get a chance to finish these GUI ideas before they got rushed out the gate by apple/microsoft < 1336579549 449102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336579721 134543 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336579729 785140 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*&^&*$$^%$%^$^% < 1336579754 186436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336579782 611591 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336579853 145395 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336579951 268415 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you're multitasking itidus21 < 1336580010 164401 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336580414 785245 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1336580818 404885 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only 3-way < 1336580843 17905 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65.183.136.244 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336581033 514684 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1336581086 368894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my concern is not so much with process or application multitasking, but specifically user interface multitasking < 1336581183 168510 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it has it's uses, theres probably better ways it could be done.. i guess unix/linux command line users have already known this a long time < 1336581263 172149 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. in windows.. i often find myself opening a notepad to transfer a piece of text between two apps < 1336581298 249939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow i imagine on a command line theres just "better" ways such needs are met < 1336581349 390797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often it's for formatting... like to remove linebreaks when posting in irc. < 1336581475 133205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make matters worse, with regard to the broswer, each tab having it's own history.. there should really be a tree to map those links < 1336581501 104867 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of an array of tab histories < 1336581594 387231 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336581617 249903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, i don't think it is of much benefit for me to start doing 30 things with computer before i have finished the first 1 < 1336581692 154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably start by making sure it's of benefit for you to do anything at all < 1336581716 928939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have decided that it's better for me to do nothing at all, for example) < 1336581801 981614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone else here has any such problem.. so yeah.. if anyone wants to buy deranged ranting services.. you know where to call < 1336581821 96580 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would i pay when i get it for free? < 1336581875 561508 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even snake venom is useful for developing antivenom < 1336581914 632801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336581920 337439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:35:54: much of that stuff about the AS/400 seems decidedly not-stupid < 1336581942 445556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I suspect it'd have been doomed to slowness with the rest of the "true" CISCs < 1336581961 664797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes, did I miss a discussion about mainframes? < 1336581973 62577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1336582126 686054 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336582138 482970 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336582218 984057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i will consider that. (those 2 posts) is as good as anything the chinese have ever written. < 1336582251 493900 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336582271 626642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 lines he put before elliott arrived < 1336582278 625493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the chinese < 1336582304 694465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounds like the kind of thing they would say in their ancient philosophies < 1336582322 21664 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i didnt word this well < 1336582340 516617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i actually think the chinese elucidated some of the most concise and minimialist philosophical advice < 1336582365 224167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :A student asked Master Yun-Men (A.D. 949) "Not even a thought has arisen; is there still a sin or not?" Master replied, "Mount Sumeru!" < 1336582367 125909 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1336582386 862922 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: stuff like that is what they say in "the ancient philosophies" < 1336582407 426298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmpf < 1336582408 810798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan < 1336582423 528823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh koans. < 1336582427 511575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand? < 1336582433 50653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive not really looked into them < 1336582438 360902 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to change keyboard config for linux virtual consoles < 1336582446 689199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:51: Lumpio-: /sbin/init was symlink to broken busybox which got broken because power cable fell out of my computer's power socket when I was updating < 1336582452 392133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why package managers need atomic updates < 1336582454 783872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*cough* nix) < 1336582488 664285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:59: Hey... I have an idea for an esolang < 1336582488 837218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:33: but I don't have a wiki account :( < 1336582488 855625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:54: Can someone create it for me? < 1336582488 855790 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was trying to remember if Debian did this right or if I've just never interrupted an upgrade this way < 1336582490 219232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:26:59: I' < 1336582492 292710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27:08: I'll give the info. < 1336582493 531782 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How would that have helped? the binary itself was corrupted < 1336582494 222012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1336582498 364107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: debian doesn't do it right in the general case < 1336582507 864527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: because the power would have cut before the binary would be swapped < 1336582513 739042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would happen at the very end of the update process, atomically < 1336582531 197645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but it might have some special hacks for important packages, dunno < 1336582542 942548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any package manager than Nix that can update more than one package atomically < 1336582624 460340 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336582649 256706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: like two hands clapping but half as loud < 1336582650 983177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's only one < 1336582653 400375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that helps < 1336582659 468356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1336582677 808663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you cracked the code < 1336582684 893135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to get you on the phone to the Pope of China immediately < 1336582691 514879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddhism is over < 1336582694 991488 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1336582697 656608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate buddha < 1336582710 179732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly hindus and their koans < 1336582718 309416 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice cream koan < 1336582739 581579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it ko-AN? < 1336582776 76608 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it? < 1336582782 827906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "cone" isn't pronounced ko-AN. < 1336582792 321931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's COH-nn or something. < 1336582808 976913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's pronounced ko-ahn. That's not really enough to ruin the pun. < 1336582827 124561 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good pun is impossible to ruin < 1336582853 543458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puin. < 1336582909 136373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoe-in for a puin. < 1336582984 189069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336583013 973663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where's all the economy giraffes? < 1336583035 920861 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No soap, radio! < 1336583059 933357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare you. < 1336583087 915180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no soup, no radish < 1336583347 61315 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radish sort < 1336583390 195477 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobble sort < 1336584779 824014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bubble bobble sort < 1336584786 505503 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best sort) < 1336584940 40274 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already implied that Gregor < 1336584943 863534 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mensch Gregor < 1336585367 446178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: look at this great haskell question http://stackoverflow.com/revisions/10521189/1 < 1336585440 474965 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i resist < 1336585465 386198 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've trolled newbies a million times < 1336585480 804271 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't go for easy things like that any more < 1336585625 340187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nowhere is it advertised as a haskell question < 1336585630 348786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1336585632 765024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at the bottom < 1336585640 187969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tagged it [haskell] < 1336585658 544064 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :edited one minute ago by don stewart < 1336585659 412459 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336585712 365475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that it allows the input file to inject arbitrary code < 1336585714 957708 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he's back from his hiatus < 1336585720 841263 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when are you back from your hiatus kmc < 1336585728 462270 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1336585738 877061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary code injection is par for the course in C hacks < 1336585747 860944 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it takes some skill to get it in Python hacks < 1336585783 990807 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Convert it to a while loop. You are hitting recursion limits, basically, so if you remove the recursion, your problem should go away" < 1336585946 87910 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586016 275997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's python for you < 1336586034 108137 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586034 413452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1336586037 696699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually read the code < 1336586039 597485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336586049 100727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome rszeno < 1336586057 810222 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336586062 228909 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1336586093 731 :qfr!~kafir@death.to.religion.info.gf JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586113 165792 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you elliot, alredy read it, this is why i'm here < 1336586209 674960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1336586283 876630 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586295 278266 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellooooooo! < 1336586335 564567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say the free category is not a forward category transformer any more than the free monoid is a forward monoid transformer, but both are valid backward transformers. < 1336586349 245116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1336586388 982745 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category transformers: monads in disguise < 1336586391 403224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586436 301368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: No, I mean functors, where it is a general functor which can act on any category to a new one, instead of a normal functor which is only from one category to another < 1336586465 683302 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm still less than a novice at category theory. I was making a Transformers pun < 1336586483 472373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The free monad is also a backward monad transformer, not a forward one) < 1336586552 408782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: Then learn, from Wikipedia and so on < 1336586692 890456 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336586900 915497 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, want to learn category theory with me? < 1336586926 833950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1336586935 304263 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a good time considering i keep having connection dropouts < 1336586946 251246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stope < 1336586948 184570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tope < 1336586949 562131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :topee < 1336586951 858574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opee < 1336586955 657256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :opeee < 1336586957 42585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336586958 595135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :peee < 1336586959 462158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :peeee < 1336586961 890159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeee < 1336586963 959528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeees < 1336586967 433883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eees < 1336586968 460342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeest < 1336586970 730597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eest < 1336586972 286949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eesto < 1336586975 503952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esto < 1336586976 711684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :estop < 1336586977 748510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1336587019 416852 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must say i have recently seen videos advising people about the difficulty of getting a math phd.. and i am probably more out of my ballpark than i realize < 1336587034 642622 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though, category theory is 2 innocent words.. both of which i already feel familiar with < 1336587066 626902 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words mean little, they only work in combination < 1336587068 947422 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :category being.. lets say.. horror movies.. versus romance movies.. theory being < 1336587110 100784 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people like me it's an imagined explanation for something... more formally it means something more formal < 1336587174 188924 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.174 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336587196 580456 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336587218 867775 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume (wrongly) that all i need to know about category theory could be summarized in 2 - 3 neat paragraphs written in simple english. < 1336587232 513041 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/♦ dafuk < 1336587256 140008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:♦ < 1336587297 971192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want a confusing page that breaks the site layout like that, bring it up on the talk page :P < 1336587384 318622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: If you think so, then see if the Simple English Wikipedia has such an article < 1336587391 79220 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336587397 109727 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336587397 280797 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1336587407 307467 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wishfully think so < 1336587419 936613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgfrtyuiolpo < 1336587425 665028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then look at the normal Wikipedia < 1336587451 419256 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably couldn't learn it in 5 years < 1336587510 137991 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent tested my intellect.. i don't know in practice what i am capable of or not < 1336587522 604074 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then.. < 1336587538 575821 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to overcome laziness certainly must help a lot.. and easily discountable < 1336587651 939052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply, a category consists of a set of objects, and morphisms, each of which has a source and target. If you have a morphism with source A and target B, and another with source B and target C, they can be composed, and composition is associative. There is also an identity morphism for each object, with the source and target both that object. < 1336587679 878241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it is. Is this OK? < 1336587697 38038 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will shut me up :D < 1336587704 120600 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1336587877 753256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was possible. < 1336587901 766313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:24 I have to login there at mantis main_page. My online gaming account does not seem to qualify for this < 1336588274 342274 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :remotely rebooting machine is a bit strange experience < 1336588309 782056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, pyralspite finally died. < 1336588324 460069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, it doesn't respond to pings. < 1336588355 601201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ieMS weird < 1336588786 20194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Haskell's deleteBy function; whose idea was that? I have replaced them by: deleteF :: MonadLogic m => (x -> Bool) -> m x -> m x; < 1336588855 23138 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: is up and running but reject icmp < 1336588859 892925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: congrats, you have replaced deleteBy with filter . (not .) < 1336588886 9790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: strange. its httpd is dead too. it's a VPS, so I guess the machine itself is down but their routing is doing something funny < 1336588894 475236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably disappear soon < 1336588896 202684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it only delete the first one!! < 1336588903 166514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh < 1336588938 608774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is what the MonadLogic constraint is for, so that you can tell which one is first; if you don't care then you use MonadPlus, which is what my version of filter uses) < 1336588988 863421 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's hackin' < 1336589017 217484 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336589355 85210 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-2-97-151-126.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336589356 812847 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336589528 433803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hey, remind me to ask Graue to redirect esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/* to the corresponding esolangs.org archive. < 1336589567 225717 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought of your brain feedback device when i saw: http://www.valkee.com/uk/science.html < 1336589719 741363 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain feedback.. well i certainly have some views about such things which would not sit well < 1336589743 742486 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: category theory isn't really a very active field afaik < 1336589745 930103 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but naturally that means i am going to go ahead < 1336589759 238912 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(think I (are s-expressions (pretty easy to understand))) < 1336589821 819854 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slowness of the muscles of the fingers, and of the eyes scanning text, etc.. provides a buffer to prevent humans being overworked < 1336589844 339913 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. if the brain is reached directly bypassing the rest.. then the buffer is in danger < 1336589863 192332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: However, category theory can make a lot of things! (Including, category with one object for a monoid, a thin category of a partial ordering (since they have the same laws), etc) < 1336589866 799824 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: well you've seen all you need to know about categories now, so let's do number theory. 0 is a number and if n is a number then S(n) is a number. < 1336589876 679761 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the work required will expand to meet the labour available, and everyone will basically be a lot sadder for it < 1336589941 248131 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm too busy trying not to fall asleep < 1336590000 623029 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in all this, the whole concept of work as being intended to make life easier for humans in general (is this ever actually true?) will be lost.. further removed from potential utopia < 1336590041 506443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: rip < 1336590049 277647 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i didn't say i read what zzo said >:) < 1336590126 886562 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for me at least, category theory is most useful in that you can describe certain ubiquitous phenomena with universal properties. because that is nice. < 1336590170 107123 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk-- < 1336590194 846700 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to say that.. sorry < 1336590296 367346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, that is one of the things it does. But it also does a large number of other things. < 1336590407 958959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the fact that groups, monoids and partial orders can be thought of as categories is very useful for the common working mathematician. < 1336590447 515113 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336590501 502652 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"itidus20 and in all this, the whole concept of work as being intended to make life easier for humans in general (is this ever actually true?)..." it is true that work makes life easier for people, yes. < 1336590525 273558 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no one worked, there would be nothing to eat. < 1336590549 486003 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1336590569 876257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi esolang_1234 < 1336590574 236128 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1336590574 478210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336590593 166763 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw disclaimer: it is possible that you know more about category theory than me, since i don't know anything about it. < 1336590607 435330 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Ok Gregor. < 1336590611 486433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: I saw your messages in the logs; you can edit the wiki anonymously, you just have to fill out a CAPTCHA < 1336590623 405564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the registration process is simple (it doesn't require an email or anything) < 1336590627 975746 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with category theory, i feel i have to mention this fact, since in all other branches of mathematics, none of you ever compare to my divine excellence. < 1336590633 274068 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really * Ack(4,3) don't like giving my ip address to the public. < 1336590643 833661 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is just me in a disguise < 1336590647 257158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :register an account, then; that doesn't expose your IP to anyone but administrators < 1336590658 918006 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like registering :( < 1336590665 405898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a username and password :p < 1336590667 490148 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I don't know why. < 1336590674 567975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: but uh < 1336590676 454400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate to break it to you but < 1336590679 921531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:07 esolang_1234 has joined (40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125) < 1336590683 802671 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, i want to edit your website but i am unwilling to do it in any of the supported ways < 1336590686 123665 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1336590692 461384 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so plz accommodate me specially < 1336590699 617652 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as many people read the logs, though. < 1336590704 454734 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think... < 1336590714 775151 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone please put that ip on the front page < 1336590724 635474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few people read the logs regularly... probably slightly less than read recentchanges < 1336590728 781285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: don't do that < 1336590730 321676 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: anyway i'm like you, i understand. < 1336590734 311140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll hide the revision if anyone does < 1336590734 611252 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1336590747 237533 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me years to make an account, and i don't like using it < 1336590749 183775 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I don't have experience editting. < 1336590767 270104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me < 1336590780 178650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: a few of the users (mostly me and oerjan) clean up pages formatting-wise after they're created < 1336590782 253617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to define Dilston < 1336590797 171578 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what's dilston? < 1336590805 85498 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm at school, and esolangs.org is blocked < 1336590808 382995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hamlet to the East of Hexham < 1336590813 981804 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suprising, this isn't. < 1336590814 241445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're blocked from schools? :D < 1336590817 347144 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't do what btw, say things like that or actually do it? < 1336590819 536991 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is < 1336590820 137370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it block us as? < 1336590826 202300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: don't put the IP on the main page < 1336590828 501099 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check. < 1336590839 757670 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unknown" < 1336590845 34168 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you think i know how to do that? :D < 1336590845 890028 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also a future esolang that can only be Turing complete if the collatz conjecture is false < 1336590849 512914 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conwaylife.com is also blocked. < 1336590851 288525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( lame, they couldn't even give us a proper reason < 1336590856 637333 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, email of the people blocking? < 1336590858 711919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet they just block all wikis or someting < 1336590860 561081 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do that for almost everything. < 1336590866 837736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336590879 117619 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello ais523 < 1336590880 356908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1336590899 105864 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1336590899 733704 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1336590909 265352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hanging < 1336590910 556704 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's all because brainfuck isn't censored. < 1336590910 818620 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, esolangs.org is blocked, but IRC isn't!? < 1336590914 792548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi people who said hi to me < 1336590921 185833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everyone else < 1336590922 81575 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1336590930 762122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'll move the page to b****fuck :) < 1336590943 738563 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, then i'm sure everything will be fine < 1336590948 586221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about the people who neither said hi to you nor didn't? < 1336590955 585470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1336590956 586867 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah. < 1336590963 534878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you phrased it in such a way as to avoid the excluded middle < 1336590963 880717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1336590970 450988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1336590970 785030 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was reading up on ordinals today < 1336590975 847404 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shit is fucked up < 1336590977 508664 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, weird < 1336590977 551612 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1336590983 558896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say that there could be elements of S in neither S nor S - T < 1336590989 260352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336590993 406572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, can you upload a screenshot of the "this page is blocked" page? < 1336590996 986652 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like o__o the whole time < 1336591002 571040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it'll probably be a boring standard thing < 1336591008 281553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone's gone out of their way to block esolangs.org specifically < 1336591012 965934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least there may be an email < 1336591014 214523 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that i mean i felt like an inverse skateboard < 1336591016 423461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly a massively popular timewasting site... < 1336591020 110803 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was so absurd < 1336591021 269463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: they probably consider the block valid < 1336591034 487654 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, I don't use file uploading things. < 1336591056 601154 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, does the block page list an email address? < 1336591070 251136 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1336591076 726637 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I don't think so < 1336591093 3888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember once the recent pages page of the wiki was blocked in my school < 1336591096 179436 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proxy or firewall? < 1336591096 626753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For gambling reasons < 1336591104 946861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do a lot of gambling on Esolang. < 1336591113 772547 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff508/Taneb/ohno.png < 1336591117 925054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good times < 1336591123 240274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you call the number? < 1336591141 940403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the office was closed < 1336591142 287661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, remember when the c in Special:Recentchanges was lowercase? < 1336591142 459716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i bet you $50 the next esolang is a brainfuck derivative" < 1336591150 598187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good times. < 1336591213 266305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you been sending me /msgs? < 1336591225 385817 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what properties would a language need so that the cost of execution of a program can be calculated < 1336591229 267929 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was esolang_1234 going to up a lang or what was this about, i haven't really been reading any of the lines? < 1336591234 314080 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :total cost < 1336591245 691364 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1336591257 120437 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was based on wires and logic gates. < 1336591261 75254 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now don't take my idea. < 1336591273 719271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234, been done at least twice? < 1336591275 64424 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336591303 251138 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: three times at leadt < 1336591306 288226 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "don't take my idea" imply "and that's it", because it sounds like it < 1336591319 51660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: but that's what one of My Name is Johny, What the F**K?'s designs was basde on too! < 1336591323 719740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to check out WireWorld, btw < 1336591323 875140 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't think so. < 1336591331 843462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which we don't have an article on; what an injustice < 1336591347 773189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sir._Cut for one < 1336591348 271903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have a CRAZY twist < 1336591351 922499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Noit_o%27_mnain_worb too, perhaps < 1336591354 720288 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your language have ordinals < 1336591381 601768 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mines more like (-1,-1)Input (0,0)Xor (1,1)Out (-1,-1)>(0,0) (0,0)>(1,1) < 1336591386 861011 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1336591390 705972 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change the Xor to not < 1336591397 553356 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished Portal 1. It was very good but quite short. < 1336591409 256612 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that would be a sort of bitinvertercat < 1336591484 652137 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1336591513 50318 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basicly, signals travel on wires, and get input at STDin and output at SDTout < 1336591519 78850 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*STD < 1336591576 835519 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not=If no sig, sig Or=If at least one sig, sig And=If all possible sigs, sig (like vNCA) Xor=If sum of sigs is odd, sig < 1336591617 839310 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i got it < 1336591623 111372 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably TC < 1336591644 257938 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you make a page for it, (IDK if you don't) can you name it LogicWire? < 1336591646 215614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, no. < 1336591661 322757 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, like anyone would want to make a page for it. < 1336591695 66736 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do you know about logical circuits? < 1336591710 977115 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much. Just Xor, and, flipflop... < 1336591713 552729 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: why do you think it is TC? < 1336591716 872902 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk < 1336591722 575969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: does it have any kind of looping? < 1336591723 298278 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random thought. < 1336591728 188952 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip flop is already something < 1336591730 350348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write a program that runs forever, for instance? < 1336591738 632810 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each sig affects the logic gates it points too. < 1336591741 115800 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esola < 1336591742 238582 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1336591745 734781 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336591754 696866 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a concept of time, then this is probably tc < 1336591769 532211 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make a loop with Or gates, and connect one of the wires to STDout. < 1336591775 986174 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that a periodic infinite configuration can do arbitrary computation < 1336591776 205827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1336591783 74409 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-0-81.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight stupid sleep cycles < 1336591787 217312 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: is is possible to use unlimited amount of memory < 1336591794 649638 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be. < 1336591799 951117 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1336591827 446989 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you should be able to define unlimited wires. < 1336591850 868483 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,0)Xor (0,1)And... (0,2)>(3,5)Sig < 1336591856 759409 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on. < 1336591912 106853 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess (x,y) defines a gate at x,y < 1336591917 57040 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: unlimited as in unbouded storage machine's tape, not as in LBA's tape < 1336591925 8571 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1336591929 675157 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadn't thought about that :( < 1336591937 667603 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, finite state automaton? < 1336591972 775925 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: seems like it < 1336592023 326970 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow a way to describe infinite configurations, this will be more interesting though. < 1336592038 364867 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Possible. < 1336592046 741640 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Crowd of people gathered on a street to watch two criminals being hanged to death, which was like the 19th century equivalent of a reality show (but somehow more tasteful)." < 1336592060 362416 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really something that's been explored much < 1336592072 332607 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a "Copy (x,y)...(x,y)>(a,b) 15 Units" < 1336592088 300131 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you might be able to make a TC < 1336592095 383691 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean TM :P < 1336592096 717392 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean at runtime? < 1336592145 7727 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I never thought this would be so confusing. Well, I guess it doesn't have to be TC < 1336592176 316602 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if, once the program has been written, there's a limit on the amount of states where it can be during the run of the program, then you cannot have TCness with most definitions. < 1336592176 989789 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And making a copy command will make the interpreter solve the halting problem. < 1336592241 743496 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, makeing a build "gate" might make it TC, but it would be TC (too complicated). < 1336592279 926284 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you can bound the maximal number of states the program can use before you start running it, then you can, algorithmically, decide whether it halts or not (or whether it will behave in a certain way) < 1336592307 84454 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get what you're saying < 1336592315 414205 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the interpreter need to solve the halting problem? < 1336592318 843786 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang_1234: how does adding copy command make interpreter solve halting problem? < 1336592362 682022 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK. I was thinking about mutiple TMs interacting. < 1336592389 516843 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i was thinking about butterflies when i wrote mine < 1336592407 61445 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Maybe make a butterfly sim program? < 1336592411 948483 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1336592421 76630 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very pretty < 1336592430 100373 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "LogicWire" isn't TC, so its probably not possible. < 1336592459 617719 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you might not be able to see them. Remember the first GoL metacell? < 1336592474 927614 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what logicwire is < 1336592486 207445 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be able to see what? < 1336592490 893702 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hypothetical lang. < 1336592494 878344 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember _a_ gol metacell < 1336592504 910154 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, i remember that one exists < 1336592506 668651 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1336592508 244498 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1336592515 468171 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conwaylife.com is blocked, so I can't link it :( < 1336592532 615274 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have to leave in a few minutes. < 1336592533 62423 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just did < 1336592544 554502 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that, the actual page in the wiki :P < 1336592598 101766 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, i found it < 1336592611 765421 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know about this wiki, should probably look at it :D < 1336592621 408005 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :500x500 metacell or something < 1336592623 766321 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336592655 510193 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Topology okay this wiki sucks < 1336592656 200351 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only indicator is a block or something. < 1336592672 313825 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(topology is the main tool in the study of cellular automata) < 1336592696 554567 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not even about the topology that's used < 1336592700 455486 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have to leave. < 1336592704 408998 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336592707 435851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lifewiki is mainly focused on documenting the patterns < 1336592708 604680 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*byes < 1336592717 781482 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guessed < 1336592728 379772 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still worth taking a glance at < 1336592731 733865 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like patterns < 1336592775 614698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you see http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Gemini when it came out? < 1336592777 136209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite impressive. < 1336592787 546536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a replicator-based spaceship. < 1336592803 807250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first replicating pattern constructed; it replicates itself and then deletes the praent.) < 1336592805 148712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parent < 1336592821 329871 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: still, having a topology page like that is like if conservapedia had a page on god that said "God is a concept in theoretical religion theory." < 1336592836 207465 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except topology is so much better than god < 1336592851 355948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical universe or in the spiritual realm (Heaven). Not only is God the creator and ruler of the things and beings within those two realms, but he is also the creator of the realms themselves. God created the physical universe, and before he acted in this creation, the universe did not exist. Likewise God did with the spiritual realm. < 1336592851 374095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1336592853 949665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Conservapedia. < 1336592878 923335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thonservapedia. < 1336592893 578023 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pretty much what you expected, no? < 1336592951 480577 :esolang_1234!40d8777d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.216.119.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336592970 407961 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that paragraph reads like legal boilerplate < 1336593027 659639 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I still can't believe conservapedia is not a joke < 1336593042 765695 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unlike those many other paragraphs on god that mean something < 1336593045 676206 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume at least large parts of it are < 1336593062 84708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are really only about six serious editors of Conservapedia. < 1336593084 765155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're all sufficiently mad that it's highly likely they consider many satirical edits legitimate. < 1336593100 19024 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.6902 have you seen this < 1336593102 575295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they still have the threat to sue anyone who vandalises it? < 1336593107 408540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought a lot of it was written by homeschooled christian kids < 1336593112 74057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think so, yes. < 1336593121 38690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know Conservapedia disproved relativity as liberal? < 1336593126 1267 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lolwut < 1336593126 19474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/E%3Dmc² < 1336593128 941709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love arxiv so much < 1336593134 108536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :E=mc² is a meaningless, almost nonsensical, statement that purports to relate all matter to light.[1] In fact, no theory has successfully unified the laws governing mass (i.e., gravity) with the laws governing light (i.e., electromagnetism), and numerous attempts to derive E=mc² in general from first principles have failed.[2] Political pressure, however, has since made it impossible for anyone pursuing an academic career in science < 1336593134 127041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : to even question the validity of this nonsensical equation. Simply put, E=mc² is liberal claptrap[3] . < 1336593139 483482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: relativity = moral relativsm < 1336593142 101449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's not trolling, most of that was actually written by Schlafly.) < 1336593149 876351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It continues: "Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge predicts that a unified theory of all the laws of physics is impossible, because light and matter were created at different times, in different ways, as described in the Book of Genesis." < 1336593151 81121 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author is not a crackpot btw < 1336593159 369239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also: http://conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Relativity < 1336593170 445713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Genesis 1:6-8, we are told that one of God's first creations was a firmament in the heavens. This likely refers to the creation of the luminiferous aether." < 1336593208 552134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Comments: Please note that the publication date is April 1st 2012" < 1336593220 650332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if arxiv adds that automatically. < 1336593255 743933 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also see keywords. < 1336593267 823679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, Conservapedia would be much less entertaining if it was just Fox News: the wiki. < 1336593274 802396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far worse than that in reality. < 1336593277 825363 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's very tastefully done, i liked it < 1336593289 482739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Which keywords? < 1336593291 552902 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also read conservapedia's articles on evolution, atheism and socialism < 1336593296 479802 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the pdf < 1336593320 64758 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the god article < 1336593343 661126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No, those are all the boring, tame stuff. < 1336593399 768614 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it at least define atheist as someone who worships the devil < 1336593446 625381 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the demon god Atheor < 1336593447 153629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Atheism, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and other philosophy reference works, is the denial of the existence of God.[2][3][4]" *yawn* < 1336593459 769660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think quoting conservapedia is poor form < 1336593464 913353 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling by proxy < 1336593465 115472 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're being wrong wrong. < 1336593495 973688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Most trolls are not nearly as entertaining as Conservapedia. < 1336593508 799939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially IRC trolls. I'm upping the standards! < 1336593646 898192 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with ordinals feels so wrong... and yet somehow so, so right. < 1336593672 415154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity Okay, I'll give them credit for this title. < 1336593683 654091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it's 49 sections long. < 1336593683 961007 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1336593695 104234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stephen Fry is a homosexual and an atheist." Good caption. < 1336593764 293990 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like an outlier < 1336593781 247232 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't quite understand their point, though < 1336593796 816549 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:SIR_448_at_Great_Kills_Station.jpg&oldid=61691747 < 1336593815 192388 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their irrational closed-mindedness against the Bible obstructs the advancement of science ." < 1336593826 720944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :D < 1336593841 316502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"accurate but does not describe picture" < 1336593879 557638 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Biblical_Scientific_Foreknowledge < 1336594196 371723 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Feminist "often condemn the God-Given order of gender roles, as laid out in the Holy Bible" :D < 1336594264 746265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Essay:_Penn_Jillette%27s_walrus_slide_vs._thin_Indian_Christian_lady_dancers Nobody tell me what this article is about, I want to enjoy it solely based on the title. < 1336594320 868610 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit these guys are retardedaiosdjfoasdjfoasdjfklasdjl;f < 1336594326 266959 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will explode. < 1336594344 674044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336594364 732870 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike atheists, Christians have a great many songs including dance music. < 1336594445 753983 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the walrus side article is perhaps the most insane thing i've ever seen. < 1336594446 956518 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1336594634 82523 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, that has to be a joke < 1336594751 345902 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Global_warming < 1336594837 699203 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, http://conservapedia.com/Special:Statistics < 1336594923 773875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: does that have a conservative bias too? < 1336594956 157995 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that at least are not so many, :) < 1336595012 941388 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't you know that there is no conservative bias. Jusl liberal lies and conservative truth!!!!!!111!!!! < 1336595055 135049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/b2wsEtbA < 1336595066 400586 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- Would that stand a chance being turing-complete? < 1336595070 831196 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember me about comunist party from my country, small amount of people knowing everything, :) < 1336595242 741208 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: whete do you live? < 1336595271 602104 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :romania, :) is not communist anymore but it was < 1336595302 863384 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo is no difference between fanatics < 1336595323 597424 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-246.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336595335 495531 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: I don't undesrtand your sentencw < 1336595339 994042 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-147.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336595381 832696 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i od ndurestnad emth < 1336595432 668593 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :communist or religious like the ones from conservapedia.com when they are so sure they are right, is only fanatism < 1336595480 653805 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: well actually romania has never been communist. It has only been "communist" (read: dictatorship) < 1336595506 253466 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: you are right < 1336595600 711459 :qfr!~kafir@death.to.religion.info.gf QUIT :Changing host < 1336595600 729673 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw JOIN :#esoteric < 1336595666 571185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: It sounds like one-bit-cell brainfuck maps rather directly to the L, U, E, [, ], P, I instructions. (You'd stay in the leftmost branch all the time.) < 1336595678 380511 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: i don't see why it couldn't be possible < 1336595694 435941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Oh, I didn't read E properly. But anyway if you can flip from 1 to 0. < 1336595738 520831 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there was a loop instruction, i thought that was just a stub < 1336595841 704170 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336595847 970222 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliottasdf < 1336595853 319362 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopolasdf < 1336595864 844571 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not asdf. < 1336595872 595286 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you are asdf. < 1336595916 40239 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell me who is and isn't asdf. < 1336595926 810245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliottaoeu < 1336595962 528903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell whatever i like whenever i like who is and isn't and when is and when is not someone asdf or not asdf. < 1336596017 246119 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Fuck you. I'm king of the asdfs. < 1336596026 562729 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck U < 1336596030 101 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1336596031 730595 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1336596035 102916 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Play Crawl for my amusement. < 1336596044 203709 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, dudde, take a fuck and U. < 1336596051 914881 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ion it's func < 1336596061 652474 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun < 1336596077 461303 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can flip depending on your location and the value under it, yes. < 1336596116 518235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m too tired. < 1336596125 833286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve been awake for 22 hours. < 1336596133 228577 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Perfect Crawl-playing mode < 1336596137 780752 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mode. < 1336596138 330556 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been awake more than 13 < 1336596144 111274 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596153 760178 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been awake 6. < 1336596157 130430 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596185 796994 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been awake 14 < 1336596194 509084 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's good too, don't believe people if they call you an ass-dancing faggot because you've been awake only 6 < 1336596199 608814 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes. < 1336596205 980115 :elliottasdf!~elliott@95.149.229.194 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336596215 995206 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool if your memory was just your location < 1336596224 955929 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some kinda stack machine < 1336596226 874633 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :by setting the left to 1 you can always flip the right. < 1336596235 787700 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again this may be just due to my tree-walking automata fetish < 1336596246 960431 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfucks > would probably be then R < 1336596251 111871 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < would be U < 1336596307 532865 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipping then must be < 1336596339 525554 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEEE to set up left to 1 and not flipping the right. < 1336596344 358992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then E again to actually flip < 1336596345 909390 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two-headed tree automaton can simulate a binary tape which i guess is kind of fun < 1336596348 333550 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so LEEEE should work. < 1336596400 597381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is one-bit-brainfuck "compatible" yes :( < 1336596416 662936 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like languages too easaly compatible to brainfuck variants. < 1336596420 986463 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*easily < 1336596421 922016 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1336596421 958207 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1336596424 128175 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336596428 761163 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so back the drawing board :) < 1336596434 638742 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want something with trees. < 1336596460 73152 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596538 926386 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1CB46.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596552 619130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596554 304409 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Location is memory. That means: The nodes contain no actually data? < 1336596559 677667 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actual < 1336596573 505032 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My typo rate is awfully high tonight. < 1336596616 707288 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336596629 989324 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a full infinite binary tree < 1336596643 823400 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite set of states and two heads < 1336596656 959223 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :two heads? < 1336596667 30178 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, otherwise you just have a stack < 1336596679 279977 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336596699 896444 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have two stacks? < 1336596721 550577 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, which is as good as a tape (although way nicer to program for) < 1336596746 219604 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, LRU (head 0) and lru (head 1) < 1336596763 582095 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again it's enough to have two heads and a unary tree. < 1336596779 953098 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary = 1? < 1336596796 782413 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just a comman tape. < 1336596797 221928 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336596799 718381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*common < 1336596802 256130 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah without data < 1336596803 187603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fun :( < 1336596808 186097 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1336596819 232699 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested stacks? < 1336596822 529642 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without data" fun is coming back. < 1336596823 111063 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_machine < 1336596828 232243 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596914 988116 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have multiple heads on a dataless binary tree with only local interactions, you might get something fun < 1336596956 155320 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my first two-head suggestion was the usual multiheaded automaton where you can read both heads at all times and change a global state based on that info) < 1336596968 70303 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-255-246.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1336596975 847047 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(here the local data is just whether you're in a left or a right child) < 1336596978 45712 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-246.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336596997 830351 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus12 < 1336596998 342888 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1336597002 703019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus12? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1336597010 612560 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus22 < 1336597014 250939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1336597025 118147 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336597040 96515 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have LRU and an H, which creates a new head at the root node. < 1336597041 486420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336597043 272455 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336597046 5720 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1336597057 956695 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHR would mean < 1336597064 353278 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Head[0]: Left < 1336597073 725348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Head[1]: Right < 1336597078 563737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Head[0]: Right < 1336597140 762074 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some conditional instructions based on the location of the heads. < 1336597179 10648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336597186 279212 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then that's just a rather direct n-stacks thing < 1336597186 900213 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might in fact be fun. < 1336597213 212834 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much Crawl? I interpreted “:c” someone said as “a book, a centaur”. < 1336597236 969613 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heads should be running different programs, and only seeing each other when close enough < 1336597245 873924 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1336597267 60589 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1336597274 316207 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1336597276 245539 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1336597321 310234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336597334 862499 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1336597392 334434 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336597425 693821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea, then. < 1336597482 348177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336597507 311265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336597721 243773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: welcome to washington dc! < 1336597898 222773 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336598044 376438 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336598052 310736 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598054 936759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598102 279546 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598260 30279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I forget, did you have an opinion on the quote identifier issue? < 1336598314 22067 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 28 11:12:28 " is the best identifier. < 1336598330 156643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not that kind of quote identifier. < 1336598500 744772 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of quote insentifier then? < 1336598513 808179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insentifier :D < 1336598520 880913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336598522 51948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those kinds. < 1336598523 673451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :552) game where you flip a coin but it's really really big < 1336598558 886291 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Excess Flood < 1336598620 209985 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: happy 5:23 EDT. < 1336598627 27475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome tswett < 1336598629 852404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336598644 230396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: heh, I get amused when I look at the clock and it's a numerically significant time (sometimes 5:23) < 1336598671 395782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Were you born at 05:23? < 1336598681 237849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1336598692 642886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember, it was so long ago… < 1336598699 552175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I could read then either < 1336598703 519790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you *might* have been born at 05:23? < 1336598712 385868 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598715 330389 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have been born at 05:23. < 1336598720 601737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *am* 05:23. < 1336598721 433284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't have a watch that says DIE every wednesday just after midnight, i assume < 1336598725 512740 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it was early in the morning. < 1336598735 479653 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336598738 398672 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336598745 765450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1336598754 96276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598760 999100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't have a wristwatch at all, nor a functioning pocketwatch (and arguably not a nonfunctioning pocketwatch depending on your definition) < 1336598810 396305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's basically the first three letters of the weekday for the previous day, in german. < 1336598821 625417 :cheater_!~cheater@g230223202.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336598828 19734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, I recall you saying something like this before. < 1336598834 783197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i did. < 1336598852 986036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a true story < 1336598857 77852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336598876 795712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have your watch < 1336598885 962896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it says WED. in a few hours it will briefly say MIT. < 1336598899 714981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no. < 1336599005 843318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brand is lorus, fwiw. < 1336599064 754163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why does it show those, exactly? < 1336599156 299574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it has both english and german weekday markings, and every day after midnight it briefly passes over the language you haven't adjusted it for < 1336599215 264300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it rotates the ring with the markings < 1336599313 989918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1336599418 61510 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336599473 767190 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336599533 307360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you two hours east of me, then? < 1336599547 46017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just anticipating it to happen at the end of tohour? < 1336599550 149533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, i assume < 1336599575 375655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anticipating, and it's not _exactly_ at midnight. < 1336599594 533540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "briefly", i mean possibly a couple of hours. < 1336599609 737845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ais523 < 1336599610 637137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ais523 is Wed May 9 22:40:10 2012 < 1336599611 54158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time oerjan < 1336599611 944211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Wed May 9 23:40:11 2012 < 1336599623 222180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming one too < 1336599624 834619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the date number has already started changing < 1336599634 97839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1336599642 789801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do clocks work anyway < 1336599653 692851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that depends on the clock, elliott < 1336599664 448048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does depending work < 1336599709 327071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it has a quartz crystal or something, but then translates that into mechanical movement. < 1336599809 875287 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.174 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336599812 806543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, digital clocks work the same way computers do < 1336599818 502696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely mechanical clocks use gears < 1336599830 167789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine they're commonly somewhere in between nowadays < 1336599892 711783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a battery, at least. < 1336599942 806659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming it was clockwork for some reason < 1336599944 218219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do wrist-sundials actually exist? < 1336599954 96567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get clockwork watches < 1336599969 253043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, they exist, although I'm not sure how popular they are nowadays < 1336599974 1067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to wind them up every now and then < 1336599977 577102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling just turns up some stupid steampunk crap < 1336599981 325373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean < 1336599983 262321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones that go on your wrist < 1336600008 841902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1336600017 645821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all watches were like that once < 1336600020 312042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Wrist_Watch_WWI.jpg wow way to make it fucking impossible to read with a metal thing < 1336600022 479878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not so popular nowadays, though < 1336600042 315259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES THANK YOU FOR THE HISTORY LESSON but pocket watches were what used to be popular aiui < 1336600059 553186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't know if anyone made wristwatches before we figured out how to power them with fire < 1336600064 861316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: within my lifetime once < 1336600069 703802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure if within yours < 1336600076 97344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :once what? < 1336600081 254401 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1336600089 787456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all watches were like that once" < 1336600092 378066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not /all/ of them < 1336600097 468213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they were still pretty common when I was young < 1336600097 737318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, clockwork? < 1336600099 899190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336600139 222111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: luckily there are some older people around < 1336600160 268768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 years ago is the right timeframe for mechanical wristwatches dominating, it seems < 1336600165 791508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked < 1336600190 2726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea." < 1336600341 824036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ais523 is old < 1336600344 517320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as old as oerjan though < 1336600362 348924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the watches probably weren't available when I was young, come to think of it < 1336600369 120450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which watches < 1336600377 893248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 40-year-old watches were pretty expensive when new, and also pretty durable < 1336600380 828496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are some around < 1336600389 667939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and purely mechanical watches, isn't that what this discussion is about? < 1336600396 148396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1336600421 109507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls having hand-cranked watches at one time < 1336600442 784375 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pocket watch and few wirst watches, all mechanical < 1336600488 133356 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i dislike all this digital stuff, :) < 1336600491 437782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls tell me you use a mechanical typewriter w/ your computer too < 1336600516 58287 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like, :) < 1336600564 302216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen mechanical typewriters, but never used one < 1336600571 209415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a mechanical typewriter once < 1336600584 747588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a mostly mechanical typewriter that had some electronics in, you typed a line at a time then it printed it out < 1336600592 817170 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i start programing with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch_card, :) < 1336600596 48129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like typewriter keyboard -> microcontroller -> daisywheel printer < 1336600603 669319 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/freedom.jpg < 1336600614 256838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: my parents were programming on punch cards when I was very young, they gave me some (unpunched) ones to play with < 1336600628 934314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only Babbage had built the Analytical Engine, then rszeno's dream would have been realised. < 1336600659 355558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You... played with punchcards? < 1336600662 269795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not very exciting. < 1336600676 500908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to post them through chairs, apparently < 1336600689 276198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very young children are amused by things like that, apparently even if they're me < 1336600706 446194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains a lot. < 1336600713 297092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure what. < 1336600754 247255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that comment you just made /also/ explains a lot and I'm not sure what < 1336600763 481518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1336600769 101118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, you hate past-elliott, right? < 1336600784 823263 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was an asshole < 1336600790 515297 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1336600813 226777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not nearly as bad as present coppro. < 1336600819 658591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or President coppro. < 1336600847 560775 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1336600855 142260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really hate past-ais523 < 1336600858 808536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were pretty naive < 1336600868 442775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really hateable < 1336600897 206065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: If you become President, I'm leaving America forever. < 1336601003 285806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: By the way, please make Agora not boring. < 1336601018 954234 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but but < 1336601046 244313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it. < 1336601046 800429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now. < 1336601049 959328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may enlist ais523 for help. < 1336601071 825558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you aren't in America? < 1336601080 643130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to go there first in order to leave it again < 1336601084 271539 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he'll go to America just so that he can... yeah < 1336601085 653233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to travel to the US < 1336601104 708532 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he can even do it in style and get deported < 1336601115 66358 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :purpose of trip: "deportation" < 1336601119 42404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I dislike international travel a lot, it seems so heavily unnecessary < 1336601127 674307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abroad is depressingly similar to nearby < 1336601128 203479 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by which you mean overseas? < 1336601135 978568 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all international travel? < 1336601140 662543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I live on an island, there's no distinction < 1336601148 653843 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean < 1336601155 29521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't < 1336601161 112245 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you include Europe? < 1336601171 851290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I include everywhere non-UK < 1336601174 947781 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336601178 225549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dislike travelling much even within the UK < 1336601194 118209 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :colocation is key < 1336601198 528545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happier if I'm within walking distance of home (that is, I /could/ walk it, not necessarily that I actually /do/) < 1336601199 737047 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :travelling is sometimes needed for colocation < 1336601207 679603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by colocation, here? < 1336601217 349817 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :being in the same place as someone else < 1336601228 62643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what the Internet's for? < 1336601322 632636 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the same < 1336601338 14057 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason conferences generally haven't gone digital < 1336601382 682313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found it yet < 1336601393 250446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going off to Canada for a conference disrupted my life for several weeks < 1336601393 767440 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters, you can't chat over dinner < 1336601405 170260 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :overseas is nasty due to the really large travel time < 1336601420 605263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't chat there over dinner either, almost bankrupted by the first one < 1336601426 502192 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1336601427 887776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then spent most of my mealtimes eating at Subway < 1336601453 286048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was too moral to claim it on expenses because I would have needed to eat anyway < 1336601516 326025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :academic expenses are pretty much all a scam, apart from travel (and accommodation if that's necessary, e.g. when going abroad) < 1336601702 220033 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the standard is that you get to claim them < 1336601739 129193 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet as a general rule, eating out isn't that much more costly than cooking yourself if you factor the time in < 1336601785 835903 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I eat "out" at lunch pretty much every day, although it's typically university canteen or supermarket ready meal < 1336601888 466093 :coppro!~scshunt@denardo.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336601994 847471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1336602031 668482 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336602035 120357 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336602096 222759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assign you to cleaning up [[list of ideas]] < 1336602108 176878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assign zzo38 to cleaning it up < 1336602120 317061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1336602226 802504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to ask for advice on what Star Trek episode me and my gf should watch < 1336602235 783853 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not enough details in prior statement for actual advice) < 1336602391 622549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, welcome to Asia < 1336602418 621881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are a few really really infamous ones < 1336602457 656728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, full details: She loves the Stargate franchise, but I don't think has seen any Star Trek, so what would appeal to her < 1336602470 690585 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although we're probably going to watch some SG-1 now < 1336602522 89834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Sgeo has an actual girlfriend now? < 1336602534 761447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1336602575 442484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same person you were alluding to before, or someone else? < 1336602617 483407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the alluding? < 1336602637 652415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1336602642 565414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog alluded to < 1336602673 21526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was "alluded-to". < 1336602675 143063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336602676 228342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was earlier ago than March, no < 1336602691 633512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog Sgeo.*alluded to < 1336602704 688545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was years ago < 1336602707 864687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-12-21.txt:21:58:59: Sgeo, I assume he assumed it was Alluded To Female. < 1336602722 970598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1336602725 398440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was already a meme in december 2010, apparently < 1336602726 768162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OK < 1336602764 134453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is to create javascript in xml??? < 1336602785 569769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use a JS to XSLT compiler, I guess < 1336602870 479635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how to enable PHP with ajax and compiling < 1336602937 691619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, can't think of a good and sufficiently facetious answer < 1336602968 371334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how to develop facebook with visual studio node.js < 1336602987 647138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: first you need to go work at facebook < 1336602999 185075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336603004 773838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to work for facebook < 1336603027 557793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have competitions every now and then, facebook hacker cup < 1336603031 361155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can search for it on bing < 1336603045 31989 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336603047 235080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to search on bing < 1336603082 490765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to breathe :( < 1336603118 916166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1336603208 399666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1336603273 248528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to receive help < 1336603427 333403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :, < 1336603686 462651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to solve problems < 1336603693 650888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to do things < 1336603784 642920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to surprise sheep < 1336603835 559808 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :show them a wolf < 1336603853 202387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to ask how to < 1336603861 640464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, elliott already made that joke < 1336603902 900787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to wolf < 1336603913 29335 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheep < 1336604407 761085 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Quitting... < 1336604487 204423 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1336604509 174658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336604516 897343 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1336604528 164112 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appers that I quit when I login... < 1336604539 1619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :davidwerecat =/= david_werecat < 1336604585 212763 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that was my shadowbot then < 1336604614 880222 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how are things today on #esoteric? < 1336604699 71468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esotericy < 1336604797 942368 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than http://esolangs.org/wiki/? ? < 1336604900 313424 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1336605320 4014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is nothing like #esoteric < 1336605387 708293 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by the logs, looks a lot more social in here < 1336605459 56380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336605506 870547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336605584 776718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logs are all fabricated by Gregor < 1336605703 398145 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336605728 284783 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336605994 158117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot of work fabricating all those logs, but it helps me practice for my erotic fan fictions. < 1336606017 948677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your erotic fan fictions read like IRC logs? < 1336606059 453243 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336606133 490427 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if erotic fan fiction can be written like IRC, then I might still have some hope... < 1336606168 779478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows the money is in erotic fan fiction. < 1336606183 505295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. "fictions" reads so awkwardly. < 1336606191 897082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly "fanfics" doesn't. < 1336606315 361687 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.63.160 PART :#esoteric < 1336606320 28766 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, then where do eroge come in? < 1336606394 960116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defer to Gregor. He's the expert. < 1336606412 494946 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336606463 62240 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336606490 383233 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sat, nonchalantly, one finger running unthinkingly but tantalizingly up and down his strong, toned thigh. It wasn't unusual for oklopol to be here, waiting for elliott's arrival, but something was different today. oklopol was not typically nude. < 1336606503 125114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Gregor < 1336606512 261208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a bow. < 1336606526 81925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that line is probably illegal in several countries < 1336606593 266601 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1336606593 402699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1336606596 733562 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1336606606 785446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy < 1336606622 88995 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336606640 645740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy < 1336606657 843253 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good memos < 1336606659 223742 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks lots < 1336606689 311213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone stolen your clothing? < 1336606694 928817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336606708 21015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i knew you'd be really sad if you didn't get updated on all the best #esoteric < 1336606756 264309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is a correct way? getBlocks n = sortBy (on antispecificness fst) . (>>= \(Declaration x y z) -> (y, z) <$ guard (n == x)); < 1336606782 711066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you alive < 1336606797 784095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336606809 503389 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im nothing but a jerk's ghost < 1336606826 68437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1336606828 7374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's me :'( < 1336606828 555620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: How can you type on computer while dead, then? < 1336606841 322167 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :teletype < 1336606892 968917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a crime for dead people to act as if still alive? < 1336606940 315972 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im in ghost jail < 1336606952 594806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1336606953 554702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1336606962 44020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you missed a great tv < 1336606981 992309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tried to escape purgy by running up from D:4 and exiting the dungeon < 1336606994 626897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they died on the upstairs leading out of the dungeon < 1336607017 873154 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same outcome, really < 1336607023 913577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are some of the stairs broken? < 1336607031 508341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stairs/steps/ < 1336607044 154788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no purgy just hit them < 1336607048 422233 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ancient crawl you got more points for exiting alive but nowadays it's the same as any other death < 1336607059 359708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also someone else committed very slow suicide to a killer bee larva! < 1336607060 528875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1336607061 525885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slow < 1336607070 94439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta keep monqy updated < 1336607091 151222 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im updated < 1336607119 967634 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:44:19 < CIA-97> elliptic * rfea3bfef4d52 /crawl-ref/source/aptitudes.h: Improve felid UC and Fighting apts. < 1336607125 155657 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :felids "un nefred" < 1336607146 794494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the joke is that elliptic is playing a felid right now < 1336607154 359530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a dev reasons < 1336607188 929221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:46:17 < CIA-97> kilobyte * rabd22f24f12b /crawl-ref/source/aptitudes.h: Nerf felid Summ aptitude: +1 -> 0 < 1336607192 741733 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :felids "re nerfreD" < 1336607195 428231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to quote that < 1336607227 138679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tomorrow felids will have a completely different set of aptitudes but be no better or worse < 1336607270 904623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336607509 74099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:51 anyone have thoughts on my jackal sprites? http://i.imgur.com/xxKOi.png < 1336607536 715066 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are old and which are new help < 1336607550 306893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also missed: that guy defending tiles! < 1336607587 885224 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not even going to pay attention < 1336607595 547556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiles arguments are awful < 1336607596 763656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was ages ago < 1336607599 200771 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336607609 73258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even become an argument everyone just snickered