00:02:48 "Getting element out of IO in Haskell" cries 00:03:57 :( 00:07:24 monqy: note: you may die 00:07:41 but im already dead! 00:07:49 even ghosts can die 00:07:53 D: 00:07:57 rip 00:08:00 rip 00:08:03 rip rip: the double rip (twice) 00:25:24 monqy: you may enjoy this tv 00:25:44 hmm 00:25:45 maybe not 00:26:06 could be amsuing 00:26:29 naga of chei "always amusing" 00:26:33 im just waiting for the monster moat 00:27:39 elliott: Oh, no? 00:28:12 `addqoute was that chaos spawn para or just chei 00:28:14 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: addqoute: not found 00:28:18 -!- shachaf_ has changed nick to shachaf. 00:28:48 `qoute 00:28:51 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qoute: not found 00:29:00 that should go in the chei learndb entry "monqy wisdom for all" 00:29:24 do you know how to use henzells learndb 00:29:34 i 00:29:35 sort of 00:29:35 elliott: ? 00:29:40 i see people do it every now and then and im like 00:29:43 im going to remember that 00:29:45 and then i forget 00:29:56 !learn add entryname entrytext 00:29:58 (to add) 00:30:09 oh im not going to add things im just going to tell other people to 00:30:12 oh 00:30:24 wait ill do it 00:30:26 IN SECRET 00:30:32 theres no secrets 00:30:48 oh, it doesn't listen in /msg 00:30:54 that's terrible! 00:30:56 it listens to queries but 00:30:57 not to adds 00:31:01 or edits 00:31:03 or anything like that 00:31:14 i know it listens to queries but 00:31:14 yeah 00:31:18 ~awful~ 00:31:33 well i guess ##crawl-dev is the next best thing to private "laughs" 00:31:35 also why are they ## 00:31:39 theyre kind of official arent they 00:32:44 oh well 00:32:48 monqy's wisdom will die with him 00:33:13 you can add it if you want!!! 00:33:26 hell no!!!! i never "do" anyhting 00:33:29 or you can coerce shachaf or Sgeo into adding it 00:33:30 why dont YOU add it?!???! 00:33:54 or get like 00:33:58 itidus to join and add it 00:34:13 thats the weak way out 00:36:02 im sorry monqy but your wisdom just 00:36:05 ~isn't~good~enough~ 00:36:08 :'( 00:37:48 -!- david_werecat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:38:44 -!- david_werecat has joined. 00:39:55 @time monqy 00:39:57 Local time for monqy is Wed May 9 17:39:56 2012 00:40:01 monqy: happy 17:39:56 00:40:47 happy 00:42:00 monqy: help. 00:42:08 how ? 00:42:15 : ( 00:46:31 monqy: hi 00:47:03 hellllllo 00:47:59 monqy: ##crawl dissed heavy armour on ghoule earlier :'( 00:48:28 oh no 00:48:31 what did it do 00:48:31 (by ##crawl i mean one person in ##crawl iirc) 00:48:37 oh 00:48:44 heavy armour ghoule was fine ime 00:49:01 ie i tried heavy armour ghoule and i won it 00:49:02 monqy: they were all "you [not me -Ed] know how you die really quick in melee?? thats because the heavy armour makes your uc rly slowe!!!" 00:49:15 and the ghoule was like ok im robe 00:49:37 it makes your uc slower but idk how slow it is 00:51:11 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5545 oh no 00:57:25 monqy: look at my gr8 D:1 00:57:29 it's like i'm playing monqys-craw 00:57:31 it's like i'm playing monqys-crawl 00:57:46 are you going to robe this time 00:57:53 i dont know ;_; should i 00:57:57 idk 00:58:06 maybe i could go medium armour??? 00:58:15 i just did heavey armour and no spelles on my ghoul win and it worked well 00:58:22 i dont want spelles 00:58:35 but 00:58:39 i also dont want to die 00:58:46 ask ##crawl for advic they're probably better on this fieeld than me 00:58:59 you are ##crawl 00:59:02 :( 01:00:32 -!- augur has joined. 01:00:41 leather armour > robe right 01:01:03 as far as ac goes yes 01:01:36 jessica r u even trying 01:02:25 *Jessica, *are you *trying? 01:02:29 proper englesh 01:02:30 *english 01:03:13 _j - a scroll labeled DOALID SOREAR 01:03:15 sorear :o 01:03:21 that's a person !!! 01:03:45 monqy: oh no i found plate 01:03:55 oh no 01:04:28 ps do you know what you mean by medium armour 01:04:39 sort of 01:04:41 i remember you 01:04:42 telling me once 01:05:00 what i primarily remember is: there is not much light armour but there is: some medium armour 01:05:03 you're probably aiming for like dragon armour 01:05:12 dragn 01:05:29 maybe ill just go heavy armour 01:05:39 you'l want to train dodg too if you're meddiu 01:05:53 less reason to train dodg in heavy 01:05:54 whats the medium progression 01:05:58 uhhhh 01:05:58 idk 01:06:03 you knew before!!! 01:06:06 `pastlog medium armour 01:06:12 there's a bunch of crap meddius 01:06:13 2012-05-02.txt:03:29:56: oh, medium armoures 01:06:17 `pastlog medium armour 01:06:25 2012-05-02.txt:03:29:56: oh, medium armoures 01:06:28 `pastlog medium armour 01:06:31 help 01:06:34 the common mediuem armoures are crepe 01:06:36 2012-05-02.txt:03:29:56: oh, medium armoures 01:06:38 help 01:06:42 or at least, pretty crepey 01:06:48 `url 2012-05-02 01:06:48 m 01:06:50 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/2012-05-02 01:06:51 im creped out 01:06:56 "you'll want dragon armoures" 01:06:57 `logurl 2012-05-02 01:07:00 http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-05-02 01:07:01 "ask ##crawl" 01:07:20 03:29:33: "robe -> spells -> thanks for going light armoures" 01:07:22 you could use the crepe medium armoures in between now and dragon 01:07:25 oh you didn't actually tell me the medium armour progresion 01:07:35 monqy: yeah but ;_; 01:07:42 ring and plate right here!! so easy and comfortable 01:07:43 so AC 01:07:53 ask ##crawl i;v only done like 1 heavy and 1 medium ever 01:07:58 e v e r 01:08:03 what did you usllay do 01:08:23 most of my games where back when medium/heavy was a joke so i did mostly robes 01:08:36 i could go with robes but 01:08:36 also by ever i mean that's what i won 01:08:39 i've never seen 01:08:45 decent robes 01:08:46 only 01:08:47 crap 01:08:49 and 01:08:56 i have no idea how to not die without lots of nice armour protection 01:09:06 robe of resistance or an artefact robe that's better than ror is your target 01:09:10 robe of rF if that fails 01:09:26 but how do you avoid dying :( 01:09:29 dodg 01:09:33 also: spell 01:09:38 without spelle 01:09:44 ask ##carwl 01:09:49 help 01:09:53 ill just go 01:09:54 hevvys 01:10:10 note to self "theres plate on this level" 01:10:21 monqy: my main HEAVY PROBLEM is that i die before i get to train any armour skille 01:10:21 because 01:10:22 im training uc 01:10:37 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:10:37 then train armour!!! 01:10:53 but 01:10:54 then ill die 01:10:55 from 01:10:57 not being strong ;_; 01:11:01 ask ##crawl 01:11:04 also im 01:11:06 going to die now 01:11:16 you shouldn;t have charged into that situation 01:11:27 too l8 01:11:50 wow i 01:11:54 wasn't expecting not to die there 01:12:29 also if you have troubkle with ghmo: try something els??? 01:12:40 everything else has stupid hunger mechanics 01:12:46 mummies 01:12:53 gh not-mo 01:12:55 potions 01:13:07 the only feasible gh not-mo would be ghak wouldn't it 01:13:07 or 01:13:08 a spellcaster 01:13:10 and i dont like spelles 01:13:45 spriganes are herbivor so that means no chopeing up corpses or eacting chunsk at least 01:13:59 ehhh ok so 01:14:00 by dodg 01:14:00 but they have low hp and are spellcastey 01:14:01 do you mean 01:14:03 train dodging 01:14:04 or run away 01:14:08 are you going light 01:14:09 bceause if its just the former maybe ill go light armour 01:14:11 train dodging 01:14:13 ok 01:14:14 should i do that 01:14:16 straight away 01:14:19 idk 01:14:21 also 01:14:22 generally 01:14:27 you should be smarter about running away 01:14:31 yeah 01:14:32 i know 01:14:46 so if im going light 01:14:49 should i put on this robe or this leather armour 01:14:54 (before Ctrl+F robe) 01:14:54 who knows 01:16:18 i forget if stealth is worth anything 01:16:37 ask #c#corlewaj 01:16:51 ###carawl 01:17:09 one last question you wont answer!!! 01:17:11 the robe person also said 01:17:13 shields 01:17:15 is that dum 01:17:21 who is this robe person 01:17:24 i forget completely 01:17:29 i think i already talked about shields+uc 01:17:37 i forget what you talked about them in 01:17:46 in? idk what i was trying to say there 01:17:54 as in 01:17:57 i forgot what you said 01:18:01 basically they block your off-hand attack but uc is still really powerful with them and plus you get defense but usually i don't bother but other people do bother 01:18:10 i don't really have so much of an opinion there 01:18:33 ok 01:18:34 where i do have an opinion is on using a shield that blocks you from using a big good weapon but you're uc so your weapon is good even with a shield 01:18:45 (unless this all was nerfed") 01:18:47 does it matter how big the shield is 01:18:54 ie 01:18:57 large shield vs 01:19:09 whatever the shields i normalyl use are called 01:19:33 as in 01:19:34 does it matter for 01:19:36 uc 01:19:58 idk 01:20:03 thx 01:20:09 larger shields have bigger penalties but also bigger rewards 01:20:19 my 01:20:23 AC didn't go up 01:20:42 oh do i need to train shields or sth before i can wear something that big 01:22:12 thanks stairs 01:22:33 totally regretting light armour right now!!! 01:23:43 shields don't boost your ac 01:23:45 they boost your sh 01:24:51 oh 01:24:54 whats the difference :( 01:25:14 12/0 --> 7/23 01:25:17 sh is more like ev in that it completely blocks some attacks sometimes 01:25:25 eeeh that's a pretty bad EV penalty!!! but that's a high SH (or is it) 01:25:26 rather than reduces damage from attacks 01:25:41 elliott: well yeah you need a lot of sh to negate the penalties of a large shields 01:25:47 elliott: there's a learndb entr about iy 01:26:00 ill 01:26:02 drop this shield for now 01:26:03 get a smaller one 01:26:06 then come back to it later 01:28:32 wow killing things seems 01:28:37 much easier when im not wearing armour 01:28:55 come on sigmund you can do better than that robe 01:30:28 creys 01:30:59 "the downsides to not much AC" 01:34:47 monqy: do you wear cloaks with robes i forgete :( 01:35:26 cloaks go on top of body armoures (robe is body armoures) 01:35:29 so: yes 01:36:32 NICE CHEI ALTAR 01:36:38 -- guy who talks in upper case a lot 01:36:58 yes 01:37:09 why arent you worshop che 01:37:17 im preparing myself 01:37:24 for the responsibility 01:37:27 that being a cool chei pal requires 01:37:40 also by "chei" i mean "makhleb" 01:38:40 hi, crazy yiuf. 01:38:45 hazy yiuf. 01:38:48 uhhhh 01:39:04 Crazy Yiuf yells, "Key! Dawk disdain shoe." 01:39:04 Crazy Yiuf hits you with a quarterstaff of chaos! 01:39:04 * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * 01:39:05 You fade into invisibility! 01:39:07 thanks, crazy yiuf. 01:39:09 thazy yiuf. 01:39:29 maybe ill run to upstairs wiht invisibility power 01:39:32 or 01:39:34 just hit him again 01:39:52 "both could either survive you or get you kield" 01:40:41 how did he know where i was going!!! 01:41:28 "ah well" 01:41:31 that's how invisiblity in crawl works 01:41:35 "totally unfair" 01:41:36 monqy: what 01:41:39 that's terrible 01:41:41 yeah 01:41:48 my roguelike's design prevents that completely 01:41:59 my roguelikes deign dosnt have invnisisbiilbity 01:42:05 bc invisbibislibty sucks 01:42:32 "everything sucks" -- monqy 01:42:45 -!- TodPunk has quit (Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something.). 01:43:29 its ok monqy i agree 01:43:33 everything sucks :'( 01:44:17 :'( 01:44:30 what's wrong with invis though i don't really find it very offensive 01:44:56 its offensive ofr reasons i cant explain waell 01:45:16 thanks 01:45:32 monqy: I'm back! 01:46:32 oh nooo 01:46:33 butterfley 01:47:32 elliott: You'd better butterflee! 01:50:46 rest in peace terence 01:53:32 sgiratch no 01:53:38 n,o 01:54:01 monqy: help 01:54:18 calmly walk away if you can't handle it 01:54:32 "calmly" 01:54:36 if you think you might be able to handle it, get to a staircase 01:54:40 you can go up the staircas 01:54:47 if it fails 01:55:04 don't bother with that ghost 01:55:06 wow its really scary 01:55:07 yeah 01:55:08 it;s too strong for you 01:55:10 and it's 01:55:12 on thes taircas 01:55:15 haw haw 01:55:22 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:55:25 i love it when its on thes taircas 01:55:31 (i dont get the joke help) 01:55:37 ah 01:55:39 you had to hatch down 01:55:41 perfectly level layout for a ghost that's too strong for me 01:55:48 yse 01:55:54 by perfect i mean 01:55:55 worst 01:56:02 -!- augur has joined. 01:56:20 im just 01:56:23 going to skip this level 01:56:48 good choice 01:57:26 oh 01:57:30 yellow wasps are scary aernt they 01:57:33 maybe 01:57:37 why 01:57:44 i forget 01:57:47 htere's a stairs up right there 01:57:52 szobmies dont take stirs 01:57:57 02:57 yellow wasp[1/1]: Terrifying monster that poisons, slows, and paralyzes you. Rendered mostly impotent by poison resistance, otherwise quite deadly. A good target for wands of polymorph, if you lack rPois. 01:58:05 monqy: dude 01:58:06 have you 01:58:09 seen the previous level 01:58:21 bettter than dying to that yellow wasp zom,bie\ 01:58:35 is it monqy 01:58:36 is it 01:58:39 oh the staircase takes your ight there 01:58:41 hm 01:58:53 shaft down or smth idk 01:59:02 or go up then shaft down and hope you drop 2 levels 01:59:08 i cant really 01:59:09 go anywhere 01:59:12 being that im completely surrounded 01:59:20 blink 01:59:26 try again 01:59:27 or hack yr way out and hw 01:59:34 try also again 01:59:39 gj identifying 01:59:55 gj not having any scrolls of identify 02:00:03 ill just 02:00:08 quaff either the lumpy pink or viscous blue i guess 02:00:13 hav fun 02:00:47 i had fun 02:00:57 rip elliott "too magic for this world" 02:02:01 -!- quintopia has joined. 02:03:08 monqy: does your roguelike have ghost 02:03:16 undecidded 02:03:27 i ahvent thought about ghost yet 02:03:45 i like ghost theyer unfair but fu 02:03:46 n 02:07:15 monqy: does your roguelike have walruses 02:07:18 monqy: does your roguelike have area-effect spells? 02:07:31 monqy: does your roguelike have spells that can DESTROY WALLS 02:07:54 undecided, likely? depemds omn waht you mean by aoe, undecided, respectivel 02:09:17 wgats aoe 02:09:21 i mean spells that attach to a particular location, and taper off in strength from it quadratically in L1 distance :D 02:11:03 monqy: whats aoek 02:11:32 L1 distance? is that manhattan or waht 02:11:38 elliott: area of effect, k 02:11:46 thanks, k 02:11:52 l1 is taxicab 02:11:53 so 02:11:54 yes 02:12:13 i m used to different nams for them 02:12:19 but the 1 is still there 02:12:20 so 02:12:56 quintopia: it'd only be l1 if the rest of the gam was in l1 02:13:04 i have a horrible secret its that i actually kind of like crawls euclidean spellcasting/throwiwng 02:13:15 quintopia: im undecided between l1 and l\infty 02:13:19 it feels weird that someone could completely avoid yr ranged attacks just by standing like one square down 02:13:19 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 02:13:22 from a diagonal or whatever 02:13:33 monqy: understandable. squares or diamonds. it's hard to say. 02:14:08 quintopia: im more concerned about the gameplay effects 02:14:45 monqy: am i bad :( 02:14:58 and los is unbounded so you wouldn't see squares vs diamomds but the way im doing light bending around walls dpends on which distance i use so there would be a bit of aesthetics but i wouldnt worry about it 02:15:06 elliott: what about it do eoyu like 02:15:16 03:13 it feels weird that someone could completely avoid yr ranged attacks just by standing like one square down 02:15:19 03:13 from a diagonal or whatever 02:15:20 like 02:15:40 the likelihood of a monster yr fighting actually being in the tiles that can get you / be got by you if you just use chebyshev is 02:15:41 "completely avoid yr ranged attacks just by standing like one square down" is fixed by square los 02:15:43 low 02:15:46 monqy: how 02:15:51 im talking 02:15:53 brogue style 02:15:54 where you cano nly aim 02:15:55 square ranges 02:15:59 oh 02:16:00 up down left right nw se ne 02:16:01 thing 02:16:03 what 02:16:06 uhh 02:16:07 in brogue 02:16:09 thats not brogue style 02:16:12 you can only throw 02:16:14 brogue has targeting like crawl 02:16:15 hjklyubn 02:16:17 does it? 02:16:17 no 02:16:18 well 02:16:20 im not thinking of throwing 02:16:23 i forget what im thinking of 02:16:24 theres 02:16:27 you're brogueing wrong 02:16:28 something in brogue that's just like that 02:16:29 no 02:16:29 there is 02:16:31 trust me 02:16:32 its not throwing 02:16:32 what is it 02:16:34 tell me 02:16:34 its something else 02:16:37 i forgot!!! 02:16:39 i "need to know" 02:16:40 welll then 02:16:46 it's not staffs either!! 02:16:47 yr doubting me :'( 02:16:49 it was 02:16:50 yes 02:16:51 some special thing 02:16:51 i am 02:16:53 doubting you 02:17:18 and in my game it wouldnt be just hjklyubn targeting 02:17:22 targeting is undecided 02:17:29 ok well 02:17:34 isn't crawl's thing technically 02:17:35 chebyshev too 02:17:37 since its composed out of 02:17:39 chebyshev movements 02:17:44 crawl's thing is 02:17:46 "weiord" 02:18:04 it resistricts what "movements" such as to approximate euclidean looks 02:18:34 so id say it's crawsl good ol inconsistent quasieuclidean or w/e 02:18:40 "good ol" 02:18:46 ehhh what could you do with chebyshev that you couldnt with 02:18:50 crawls quasieuclidean(tm) 02:19:39 with square los the difference is that los and ranges are square so you dont have like 2 monsters the same movement-distance from you that you can target one but not the other 02:19:50 right 02:19:55 but in square los you still have the quasieuclidean targeting lightbending etc 02:20:40 i just dont like euclidean approximations they feel awkward to me 02:20:42 but 02:20:50 right im asking 02:20:51 with crawl i dont think you can get better than square los 02:20:53 how the targeting would change 02:20:54 without breaking everything 02:20:55 oh 02:20:56 uh 02:20:57 (not in your roguelike necessarily) 02:20:57 undecided 02:20:58 (just) 02:21:03 there are 02:21:04 (when moving to true chebyshev) 02:21:07 "multiple possibilities" 02:21:13 what are the possibilitlitielils ;_; 02:21:26 my thought would be: 02:21:31 simplest posisiblity is "no targeting" 02:21:43 you can target any square in los and it picks the shortest path to that (ignoring obstacles) 02:21:43 and 02:21:51 shortest path chebyshev-wise 02:21:52 and 02:21:54 if the shortest path crosses any obstacles then 02:21:56 "sucks to be you" 02:22:01 what do you mean 02:22:05 "the shortest path" 02:22:06 -!- TodPunk has joined. 02:22:11 i don't know what i mean :( 02:22:13 well 02:22:16 there are generally multiple minimal paths 02:22:19 yeah 02:22:19 just 02:22:21 pick any of them 02:22:21 which is the whole complication 02:22:24 :P 02:22:36 pick the one that doesn't bash into anything (don't do this or they'll end up curving around walls and things) 02:23:26 well light would work the same way the way i want to do it in chebshev 02:23:34 so if u dont want that "go manhaten" 02:23:44 but: targeting undecided etcetcetc 02:23:53 how do you want your light to work then 02:24:00 (are you having light) 02:24:32 any square to which there exists a minimal path unblocked by walls is illuminated 02:24:45 so chebshev is much brighter than manhattan 02:24:52 lots of weird bending too 02:24:56 i would do: 02:24:57 which can be good orb ad 02:25:04 any square to which all minimal paths are unblocked by walls is illuminate 02:25:05 d 02:25:07 *illuminated 02:25:09 *-d 02:25:11 that could work too 02:25:11 *-that whole line with just the d 02:25:15 then it 02:25:16 wouldn't bend 02:25:17 maybe ill try 02:25:18 both 02:25:33 and the targeting scheme would then work the same as light 02:25:44 oops now i want to 02:25:48 "build a targeting prototype" 02:25:56 monqy: but i'm curious as to why you're adding light 02:26:01 or do you just mean 02:26:02 los 02:26:14 i mean los/fov/whatever yeah 02:26:19 right 02:26:19 not 02:26:23 carrying lanterns around and shit 02:26:25 right 02:27:05 since i don't want like total blindness or transparent walls or anything like that 02:27:17 total blindness: "a good roguelike setting" 02:27:40 rogueunlike 02:41:28 im sorry to report that monqy has died of indecision 02:41:41 oh no 02:41:49 "rip monqy" 02:41:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:42:06 is indecision a kind of bad surgery 02:42:13 an incision gone wrong 02:46:26 yes 02:46:35 the worst kind of bad surgery 02:46:42 the baddest surgery :'( 02:46:46 :'( 02:46:50 monqy: are you deade now :'( 02:46:55 i was already dead 02:46:58 oh 02:47:03 are you double deade now 02:47:05 yes 02:47:06 i.e. alive 02:47:16 :o 02:47:37 "hi my name is monqy and im alive" 02:47:53 i'm not so sure about that! 02:47:59 i think monqy is thrice dead now 02:48:01 my name might be something else now, after all 02:48:03 jerk's ghost ghost ghost 02:48:11 *more 'ss 02:48:15 *"'s"s 02:48:19 monqy: are you thread 02:48:26 quite possibly 02:48:30 I've lost track 02:48:42 maybe your'e' needle 02:48:46 or haystacke 02:48:56 "you never know" 02:48:57 that's a bit more dead than i'm comnfortable with 02:49:23 monqy: dead people are rarely comfortabl'e :'( 02:49:30 :( 02:52:01 monqy: would you like to be resurrected 02:52:03 -!- elliott has changed nick to ellipticiott. 02:56:24 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:59:37 -!- tswett has quit (Changing host). 02:59:37 -!- tswett has joined. 03:14:14 monqy: i wish i could help you wif roguelike 03:26:20 rip quintopia 03:26:27 killed by wish to help monqy wif roguelike 03:26:29 what 03:26:32 i am here 03:26:49 no 03:26:49 dead 03:26:52 *ded 03:27:35 well 03:27:38 i am a guest 03:28:15 gohst 03:28:21 yeah 03:28:21 a guest's ghost 03:28:25 i misspelled ghsot 03:28:38 ghtos 03:28:41 gosth 03:28:44 oghts 03:28:48 :/ 03:31:00 hi 03:31:04 goths 03:32:24 g 03:32:24 sho 03:32:24 sh 03:32:25 sghuo 03:32:25 s 03:32:27 s 03:32:30 s 03:32:32 s 03:32:35 s 03:32:37 suohto 03:32:40 gsho 03:32:53 apparently pressing all the ghost keys at once does not produce ghost 03:33:19 shot 03:33:20 sghot 03:33:21 sghot 03:33:21 shot 03:33:23 sgo 03:33:25 sgho 03:33:27 gshot 03:33:29 ghost 03:33:31 yes!!!! 03:33:33 i did it 03:33:35 monqy: fun game try it 03:33:50 ghoasrt 03:33:57 close enough 03:34:36 oops 03:35:10 -!- JeroGreen has joined. 03:35:49 http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/132037/how-to-save-text-input-using-xml 03:35:49 there is a song about monqy playing 03:35:51 its like 03:35:52 `welcome JeroGreen 03:35:54 JeroGreen: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! 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(For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 03:35:58 who shot the monqy monqy mmonqy monqy monqy 03:36:03 -!- JeroGreen has quit (Client Quit). 03:36:08 mmonqy 03:36:17 mcrawl : crawl :: mmonqy : monqy 03:37:51 does 'm' stand for 'monqy' 03:37:58 or for 'mmonqy'??????? 03:37:58 no 03:38:00 no 03:38:05 does it stand for 'hi' 03:38:13 pretty sure it stands for 'm' 03:38:20 clever 03:38:24 extremely 03:38:31 maximally clever 03:38:40 yes 03:56:56 monqy: help. 03:57:32 yES? 03:58:43 monqy: im explodeing. 03:58:45 boom 03:58:48 "boom" 03:58:50 oh no 03:58:52 ehlp. 03:58:57 *heelp. 04:00:10 im corl. 04:02:00 rip sigmund. 04:04:30 -!- asiekierka has joined. 04:05:19 heyyy 04:05:22 makhleb altar 04:05:27 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 04:06:52 uhhhhhhhh 04:07:03 grundr 04:07:07 should i run or 04:07:11 can i "take him on" 04:07:11 mayb you can "take" him. mayb not 04:07:32 wow how did i survive that 04:07:37 You can "take him to dinner". 04:07:59 fizzie: help. what should i do. 04:08:05 h 04:08:06 hello grinder 04:08:19 maybe i should 04:08:20 upstairs 04:09:48 there 04:09:51 problem solved 04:10:04 grinder can't paralyze you IF HE'S DEAD 04:10:05 the good old-fashioned way (i.e. with claws) 04:10:10 Patashu: he is now 04:10:19 i used a very advanced strategy 04:10:25 consisting of clawing him until he stopped being alive 04:10:54 my D:2 is 04:10:57 so full of islands it's ridiculous 04:11:50 _You finish putting on the +0 leather armour of Free Expression {SInv}. 04:11:51 of 04:11:52 free expression 04:11:57 wh;at 04:12:11 monqy: help 04:12:49 sinv!! 04:13:07 is it better than my robe 04:13:16 depends 04:13:18 don't ghouls have rC naturally 04:13:20 anyway 04:13:29 but also +2 04:13:40 one less rC and one less AC and one less EV probably too but hey sinv 04:13:51 :'( 04:13:57 ill 04:14:00 keep with robe 04:14:00 and 04:14:03 if i find enchant armour 04:14:06 i'll enchant it and use it maybe??? 04:14:11 it's an artifact 04:14:12 you cant enchant artefacts, ellipticiott 04:14:14 you can't enchant it 04:14:15 oh 04:14:21 maybe ill 04:14:24 ask ##crawl 04:14:49 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:15:00 why did quasit turn into quokka 04:15:26 q 04:15:27 qu 04:15:59 oh come on 04:16:01 runed plate armour 04:16:05 you can't do that to me crawl im going light armour 04:16:20 Patashu: (is light armour better than heavy on ghmo im suffering from indecision) 04:16:43 go light if you want to cast spells and train dodging 04:16:51 go heavy if fuck spells, you just want to tab things 04:16:52 imo 04:16:57 im not doing spelles i dont like spelles 04:17:07 if you don't like 04:17:09 spellees 04:17:14 you shouldn't ever use light armour for any reason 04:17:18 since light armour is for being able to cast spells in 04:17:22 also, don't fight crazy yiuf 04:17:25 he can randomly paralyze you 04:17:29 like that 04:17:32 i know what he can do! 04:17:35 but i quote 04:17:40 i "just want to tab things" 04:17:46 see 04:17:49 worked perfectly 04:18:14 Patashu: anyway the reasons i was going light was 04:18:17 *were 04:18:29 - heavy makes the unarmed combat a bit worse apparently??? and 04:18:32 - ev 04:19:00 and 04:19:01 stuff, 04:19:27 -!- oerjan has joined. 04:19:52 Patashu: :' ( 04:20:53 are those bad reasons.... if yes should i do spells maybe (im scared) 04:22:03 spells are awesome 04:22:05 if you find the right books 04:22:22 good spells: summon butterflies, repel missiles, blink, contel teleport, animate skeleton... 04:22:44 monqy: help 04:22:45 animate skeleton? 04:22:54 yeah, it's really good 04:22:58 like if ellipticiott wants +Curse gloves? 04:22:58 since you were going to butcher it anyway 04:22:58 and 04:23:01 -!- david_werecat has joined. 04:23:05 now you have an army of skeletons that can tank shit for you 04:23:10 whenever you can't for $reason 04:23:27 oh people actually use the skeletons? 04:23:27 I was doing snake:5 and my naga skeletons killed most of the rune vault for me when I ran lmao 04:23:30 I do 04:23:31 huh 04:23:33 they're not as bad as you think 04:23:37 they're about as strong as the original monster was 04:23:49 and they never time out 04:23:51 can't be abjured 04:23:51 etc 04:23:54 it's been a while since i've used that sort of stuff 04:24:04 animate dead is even better but it doesn't leave chunks 04:24:09 what does becoming transparent for a moment mean 04:24:16 and 04:24:17 darkness 04:24:26 i kind of like simulacrum 04:24:29 you can evoke it for invisibility 04:24:29 has it been nerfed? 04:24:30 cool spell 04:24:35 I've never tried simulacrum 04:24:39 but simulacrums should be pretty powerful 04:24:43 since they do ac-piercing cold 04:24:46 yeah 04:24:56 i can go invisible??? 04:24:58 if you get hydra chunks, you can make like a billion hydra simulacra, each with a ton of attacks which do a bunch of cold damage 04:24:59 cooooooooool 04:25:02 you can evoke it for invisibility 04:25:09 i have to leave for a while but 04:25:12 "will be back" 04:25:14 try not to die 04:25:17 while im gonne 04:25:19 ok Patashu i literally have two light armours and theres plate armour and stuff 04:25:20 on this level 04:25:23 what should i do 04:25:24 i mean 04:25:25 things seem 04:25:30 do you want spelles 04:25:33 (gone) 04:25:34 easier to kill with light stuff having tried it for a few (short) games 04:25:37 if all you're doing is training UC, atm 04:25:37 and 04:25:41 dodging and stuff might be "nice" 04:25:41 epillepticiot 04:25:42 you don't have to make a decision on heavy vs light until later 04:25:44 but 04:25:45 based on what books you find 04:25:47 i dont really want to like 04:25:53 do tens and tens of spells 04:26:09 maybe ill just learn a few spelles or something ;_; 04:26:12 Patashu: ok 04:26:17 so keep the light stuff on for now? 04:26:24 whatever 04:26:38 go heavy if you find no useful low level spells, light if you do 04:26:41 decide sometime mid lair I guess 04:26:57 by for now 04:26:58 i mean 04:27:00 before mid lair 04:27:44 I don't know the answer 04:27:59 `quote an adult 04:28:02 585) dangit I need someone who knows the answers to my problems instantly and is always around for me! I need.....an adult ;_; 04:28:04 yeahg 04:28:10 but actually the reason why is 04:28:16 I haven't gotten any unarmed fighters very far 04:28:20 oh well 04:28:25 can you decide between these two light armours at least 04:28:36 take the leather armour 04:28:40 get your armour skill to like 1 04:28:46 that pretty much gets rid of the penalties of using it 04:29:16 and then you have 14% gdr 04:29:24 one less AC though :( 04:29:35 oh, your ac is that low? 04:29:40 yeah 04:29:42 gdr probably won't even show up, then 04:29:45 go with the robe 04:29:46 lol 04:29:46 ok 04:30:06 well 04:30:08 it's actually higher than it looked there 04:30:10 because i have my cloak too 04:30:14 but that's 04:30:16 still not very high 04:30:31 how much would i have to train armour to get that up meaningfully anyway i guess i could train it a little bit 04:32:06 omfg 04:32:07 i fell from 04:32:08 D:5 04:32:10 to D:* 04:32:12 D:8 04:32:16 you'll liv 04:32:17 probably 04:32:26 D:8 <-- the face i'm making right now 04:32:33 oh no 04:32:34 a scary quokka 04:32:39 the dungeon is dangerous this deep 04:32:49 yes wonderful sarcasm 04:32:58 why aren't yougoing up stairs 04:33:03 you just went past a < 04:33:05 because 04:33:08 everything is a pushover 04:33:12 maybe im being too cocky 04:33:15 you are 04:33:22 you know 04:33:24 oh cool 04:33:26 a centaur and a giant eyeball 04:33:30 it was better on D:8 04:33:32 nice combination 04:33:38 hahahaha 04:34:19 there we go 04:34:26 sometimes going down shafts really blows though 04:34:33 like if you fall through a shaft and land on a cross level 04:34:36 seriously FUCK cross levels 04:34:40 cross level? 04:34:45 what's a cross level 04:34:47 a level 04:34:49 that is a tiny cross 04:34:54 and it has monqys-crawl level monster densities 04:35:00 for no good reason except because the level is so small 04:35:01 oh well that's not so bad 04:35:09 i deal with monqys-crawl-level monster densities all the time in monqys-crawl 04:35:11 every level in fact 04:35:15 yeah but 04:35:18 in monqys-crawl you're OP 04:35:21 in normal crawl you're not 04:35:42 You can now hurl Makhleb's greater destruction. 04:35:43 yaey 04:36:00 oh yeah do you know the answer to 04:36:05 the question i had 04:36:12 05:30 how much would i have to train armour to get that up meaningfully anyway i guess i could train it a little bit 04:36:14 where that = my AC 04:36:29 the way I understand it 04:36:34 armour skill raises AC slowly unless you have high base AC 04:36:36 but 04:36:40 it laso reduces the penalty of wearing armour 04:36:54 is this +2 leather armour better than my +2 robe of rC ;_; 04:37:14 crawl is hard 04:37:24 depends on what you're fighting 04:37:25 but probably 04:37:59 fucking knew that would happen 04:38:07 how do you separate a fucking pack of gnolls 04:38:11 stairdance 04:38:14 fuck that 04:38:16 lesser servant time 04:38:18 debuff spells 04:38:25 (is that dumb) 04:38:42 idk 04:38:44 never tried makhleb 04:38:48 Do What You Like 04:38:49 bye 04:39:11 wow everyone abandons me 04:39:15 help 04:39:17 Patashu: help 04:39:21 HELP 04:39:32 h e l p 04:39:33 monqy: help 04:39:51 help!!!!! 04:40:07 haha 04:40:09 it's hostile 04:40:09 nice 04:40:13 stairdudes 04:40:16 perfect 04:40:21 now just don't go up that staircase ever 04:40:23 yeah uh 04:40:24 and don't wake that snake up either 04:40:28 how do i place a note thing on that level 04:40:33 forget 04:40:34 and what's wrong with waking that snake up 04:40:34 ?? 04:40:40 ? 04:40:46 oh maybe you can take it 04:40:47 since you have rpois 04:40:58 yeah 04:41:00 anyway 04:41:02 makhleb is a jerk 04:41:04 and im going to train invocations 04:41:12 and armour why not 04:41:35 looks like i can't annotate another level 04:44:16 btw throwing nets are useful 04:44:20 you can't net very large things but 04:44:31 a net that covers its opponent is guaranteed to keep it covered for a certain number of turns, I think 4 04:44:36 unlike other things 04:44:39 neat 04:44:44 i wasn't sure if the learndb was being sarcastic about throwing nets 04:44:48 05:44 throwing net[1/6]: The single most deadly weapon in existence. Yes, it's even more deadly than a sceptre of torment as a ghoul fighter. One hit could kill a well to do character. Ask Nexos. In addition to the utter annihilation of its target, it may (depending on a few factors) also cause them to become immobilized for a little while. 04:44:53 well 04:44:55 obviously it's kidding 04:44:55 but 04:45:04 don't nets make it impossible to attack for the duration of being under the net 04:45:09 or something ridiculous like that 04:45:12 mmmm i have lots of hp now 04:45:20 not baf 04:45:24 you might not be one shotted by hydras 04:45:40 its not bad for turn 6365 04:45:45 oh boy 04:45:49 orc priest and a gnoll 04:45:52 a party designed specially for me 04:46:13 man 04:46:16 i can open doors while confused? 04:46:21 that's some trick 04:46:59 Patashu: oh i also have an amulet of 04:47:01 thingy 04:47:02 guardian spirit 04:47:05 so i have "even more effective hp" 04:47:08 (barely) 04:48:45 hi duvessa; ho dowan 04:48:46 *hi 04:48:52 hi two orc wizards 04:49:13 i forget 04:49:15 which is best to kill first 04:49:30 oh it's dowan 04:49:31 gj me 04:50:14 welp 04:51:27 back 04:51:30 you're not dead!! 04:51:32 congratulationes 04:51:36 monqy: i 04:51:38 almost died 04:51:41 =/ 04:51:44 you see that 4 04:51:50 that's the lesser servant makhleb gave me 04:51:51 yeah 04:51:51 a hellwing 04:51:53 spoiler 04:51:54 yeah 04:51:54 it was hostile 04:51:55 yeah 04:51:56 yeah 04:51:57 oh did you see that 04:51:58 bit 04:51:59 how much invo do you have 04:52:00 no 04:52:02 i'm just 04:52:03 agreeing 04:52:04 i had 0 at the time 04:52:06 now i have 2.6 04:52:06 welp 04:52:09 so 04:52:13 i put an annotation on that level 04:52:13 yeah you 04:52:14 want invo 04:52:16 and will never visit it again ever 04:52:19 well it's summoned so 04:52:22 probably timed out by now 04:52:26 NEVER 04:52:27 EVER 04:52:32 hi, eustachio 04:52:36 not durably summoned like 1s from zot traps 04:52:37 also i killed duvessa + dowan 04:52:53 wow eustachio weak 04:52:59 coulda been more interesting man!!! 04:53:28 wow 04:53:30 orc wizard party 04:53:55 wow two robes of cold resistance i mean really 04:54:28 are you going spelles 04:54:40 haven't decided yet Patashu said to decide heavy vs. light based on what books i find 04:54:43 if i am going spells then 04:54:44 ok 04:54:45 i'll just be going 04:54:49 "helper spells" 04:54:50 like 04:54:58 stuff to make my primary job of bashing things until they stop living easier 04:56:02 monqy: also i 04:56:03 fell down shaft 04:58:15 oop,s 04:58:41 nooo 04:58:44 this is the opposite of what i wanted 04:58:46 gj 04:58:49 just walk away 04:58:51 boring betls are slow 04:59:38 ha 04:59:39 h 04:59:40 ha 04:59:40 ha 04:59:47 how much HP does a wand of heal wounds give you 05:00:01 05:59 wand of heal wounds[1/1]: Exactly like a potion of heal wounds, except you can recharge it, it's lightweight and it won't be destroyed by cold attacks. Its healing is not based at all on evocation skill. Deep Dwarves start with one that has five charges. It's cool! 05:00:01 neat 05:01:01 oh boy 05:01:04 another slow and dangerous beetle 05:01:07 THEY'RE SO INTERESTING 05:01:23 boulder beetles are actually kind of interesting now 05:01:26 since they charge at oyu 05:01:30 i've never played vs one but 05:01:33 they look fune 05:01:58 -!- augur has joined. 05:02:08 06:02 grum[1/1]: Unique gnoll. Breeds war dogs. Will eat you! So will dogs! Wears the skin of a deceased war dog. Aw! 05:02:20 06:02 @??gnoll 05:02:20 06:02 gnoll (g) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 2 | HP: 8-18 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 9 | Res: magic(8) | Chunks: contam | XP: 14. 05:02:20 06:02 @??grum 05:02:21 06:02 Grum (g) | Spd: 10 | Int: normal (items) | HD: 4 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 20 | Res: magic(16) | Chunks: contam | XP: 188. 05:02:23 sigh 05:02:25 "like a gnoll but worse" 05:04:37 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: Wychodzi). 05:07:09 hell yeah 05:07:13 fuckin' box of beasts 05:07:23 hell yeah 05:07:25 fuckin' hill giant 05:07:53 monqy: what's good against hill giants 05:07:56 makhleb ability wise 05:08:01 that isn't going to turn on me 05:08:14 how much piety do you have 05:08:20 four pips 05:08:24 er 05:08:27 invo skill i mean 05:08:29 6.1 05:08:40 you miught be able to use lesser servant or major destruction, uhh 05:08:54 major destruction can "turn on you" if you're too close and get an explosion, but you're not too close 05:08:57 i was thinking major destruction yeah 05:08:59 but your failrate is high 05:09:01 i also have: a wand of draining 05:09:06 and also a wand that i don't know what it is 05:09:09 (and a wand of heal wounds!!!) 05:09:10 minor destruction might be too wimpey 05:09:15 go with major destruction i guess 05:09:32 well 05:09:37 it killed SOMETHING 05:09:41 that's the sort of explosion i was talking about 05:09:46 that's the sort of explosion i was talking about 05:09:46 im clever 05:09:50 uhhh 05:09:53 -!- augur_ has joined. 05:09:59 also major destruction is more powerful at higher invo skill etc etc 05:10:04 your invo is "kind of low" 05:10:04 i guess i could go with minor destruction now 05:10:06 or 05:10:08 claw it 05:10:09 no 05:10:14 claw is better than minor destruction 05:10:18 but 05:10:21 not really good 05:10:25 since low hp etc 05:10:28 you could have die!! 05:10:33 don't run from centaur!! 05:10:35 more likely is: i'll die to this centaur 05:10:36 dfuck into the room and close it 05:10:41 dfuck into the room 05:10:44 yes 05:10:46 dfuck into it 05:10:47 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:10:48 you can do it 05:10:50 believe in yourself 05:10:51 wont i like 05:10:52 die 05:10:52 from arrows 05:10:54 in the next turn 05:10:57 if i dfuck into the room 05:10:58 do you have any better ideas 05:11:06 nice 05:11:07 it would have been better if you hadn't made that other move 05:11:13 nice 05:11:14 nice 05:11:16 what xl is that ghost 05:11:19 dfucking: failed 05:11:22 i dunno lets find out 05:11:26 you can dfuck behind the grey thing but 05:11:31 you want to know the ghosts xl etc 05:11:39 xl 9 05:11:42 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/hyperelynae/morgue-hyperelynae-20120509-110358.txt 05:11:47 drac ghosts xl7 and above have draining breath 05:11:50 ~have a fun~ 05:11:56 im already having a fun 05:11:57 uhhhh 05:12:05 maybe: zap heal wounds at myself; minor servant 05:12:15 no you want to duck first 05:12:20 or it will get free shots at you 05:12:21 duck where 05:12:22 oh wait centaurt 05:12:23 uhhhhhhh 05:12:26 hbehind the grey thing but 05:12:29 centaur would probably get you 05:12:37 if only you could apport the arrow from the doorway!! 05:12:41 if only 05:12:46 ok uhhh 05:12:46 (spell reasons) 05:12:49 im going to zap heal wounds at myself 05:12:52 monqy: i haven t seen books yet!! 05:13:12 oops 05:13:18 oh wait 05:13:21 you cant get drained 05:13:23 hahahahaha 05:13:26 siLLY ME 05:13:31 so the draining breath is 05:13:32 free turns 05:13:34 lesser servant time 05:13:37 ok 05:13:53 wow how did i get two servants 05:13:58 you might wnat another 05:14:00 that's not a servant 05:14:03 oh is that 05:14:04 hellwing animated the hill giant 05:14:16 "problem sloved" 05:14:19 ok i guess the hell wing alone worked 05:14:43 im going to 05:14:44 peek out 05:14:47 and theres going to be something horrible 05:14:49 and ill duck back 05:14:49 for the next 05:14:51 1000 turns 05:15:47 ouche 05:16:17 oh boy 05:16:23 monqy's favourite spell!!!! 05:16:30 uhhh so 05:16:36 are any of these worth learning right now 05:16:38 if i were going spelles 05:17:04 "spells : new to me" 05:19:20 monqy: :'( 05:19:24 oh uh 05:19:26 conjurations 05:19:27 uh 05:19:27 uh 05:19:31 "get meph" (laughs) 05:19:35 can i even its level 3 05:19:37 i dont know what the levels mean 05:19:40 honestly i'm not a fan of the conjurations school 05:19:42 it's 05:19:44 it's ehhh 05:19:47 where by ehh i mean 05:19:49 i don';t like it 05:19:50 it's not fun 05:19:55 it's powerful and all but 05:19:57 well i know magic dart is 05:19:58 zzzzzz 05:20:01 not my "cup of tea" 05:20:07 yeah this is boring me IM DONE WITH YOU OCNJURATIONS 05:20:12 basically conjurations is magic dart x100000000000000000000000 05:20:19 except for some oddballs 05:20:27 like meph 05:20:28 what they can't follow me downstairs!! 05:20:33 hint the oddballs are worse than the magic darts 05:20:45 where by worse i mean 05:20:47 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'er 05:21:11 oh no 05:21:19 nice 05:21:26 ducking might be hard 05:21:35 wow im fucked 05:21:35 oh no what are you doing 05:21:38 i was trying to 05:21:39 chokepoint 05:21:40 centaurs 05:21:41 you might be able to major destruction all of them 05:21:42 no 05:21:43 yeah 05:21:44 that doesnt work 05:21:45 i know 05:21:46 i know 05:21:49 then why did you do it 05:21:55 panicke 05:22:03 maybe i can 05:22:04 might wnat to heal 05:22:05 duck behind that corner 05:22:08 no 05:22:19 sighe 05:22:23 blinke perhaps 05:22:27 oh you could bliking mabye 05:22:29 (mAYBE) 05:22:31 "where to" laughs 05:22:33 you might not be able to get out of los 05:22:51 maybe quaff levitation 05:23:18 (its a joke) 05:23:33 oh right the other reason besides "i like it more" for having chebyshev/manhattan los in some fassion is it's easier to calculate for players so they can know if they'll be out of los of something by ducking or w/e 05:23:45 righte 05:23:50 eeeh 05:23:51 since like in crawl i never know if i'll actually be out of los of something it's just intuition 05:23:56 what if i blink here 05:24:02 you'd be out of los of a few of them 05:24:05 you might live 05:24:09 prbabbly your best bet tho 05:24:15 well 05:24:18 teleport 05:24:23 or duck and heal 05:24:27 i dont have teleport 05:24:32 you don't 05:24:33 ? 05:24:38 oh so i do 05:24:44 oh no 05:24:55 im going to have to 05:24:59 quaff curing for the hp ;_; 05:25:03 keep it around and recharge it when you get the chance 05:25:08 (the wand) 05:25:22 welp 05:25:27 welp 05:25:28 this game loves me 05:25:32 summon some servants 05:25:43 lesser? 05:25:46 yeah 05:26:05 uhhhhhhhhh 05:26:14 u 05:26:17 what 05:26:20 oh 05:26:24 (ne) 05:26:27 what if the giant eyeball stares me 05:26:28 and 05:26:29 paralyses 05:26:31 and i die to killer bee 05:26:39 do you have any other choices? 05:26:39 no 05:26:53 if you stay there the para will be worse since more bees will be hitting you 05:26:57 i was going to 05:26:59 quaff curing 05:27:00 but 05:27:00 yeah 05:27:11 if you want to get rid of the eyeball, u then destruction it 05:27:17 well 05:27:19 i survived para 05:27:20 or wand it 05:27:32 hmm 05:27:33 or something it 05:27:47 or more servants and let them meatshield you from the bees 05:27:47 i could destruction it now but 05:27:50 might die to bees 05:27:50 and just spam them 05:27:59 well 05:28:08 i think i'm in too compromising a position to establish a shield of meat 05:28:33 also 05:28:37 i'd have to lesser destruction the eyeball since 05:28:38 fireball 05:29:14 hmm 05:29:43 wrong choice 05:30:13 monqy: hi 05:30:33 blinking 05:30:42 what did you do btw i wasnt watching 05:31:09 first i 05:31:13 minor destructioned the eyeball 05:31:15 (didnt help much) 05:31:19 then i was low on hp so curing 05:31:28 but it didn't help so i think i attacked right or something 05:31:31 or maybe i curinged again 05:31:35 anyway then i summoned another servant 05:31:37 and now i have 1 hp 05:31:44 here? 05:31:54 or 05:31:58 here or 05:31:59 down there 05:32:10 not there 05:32:13 maybe down 05:32:34 because of bee proximity 05:32:40 up and eyeball 05:32:45 huh? 05:32:50 er 05:32:51 oops 05:32:56 i oopsed my messages together 05:33:01 erase the up 05:33:02 anyway uh 05:33:20 either blink or heal or servants or use a bolt wand the bees 05:33:29 don't use anything that can explode or you'll anger your ynoxinum 05:33:33 i have a 05:33:34 draining works 05:33:35 wand of draining 05:33:42 hi, eyeball. 05:33:45 aim such that it hits all the bees and the eyeball 05:33:54 draining will pass harmlessly through demons 05:33:55 what again? i was going to quaff curing at this point 05:33:56 which makes it ideal 05:34:01 wand again 05:34:05 get rid of the eyeball 05:34:19 it doesn't really want rid of and these bees are sorta 05:34:23 approaching 05:34:30 have fun w/ para 05:34:47 fine 05:35:05 ok what 05:35:07 gr8 05:35:27 wow how the fuck did i survive that 05:35:29 might want to heal 05:35:48 ok your lifeline is gone 05:35:52 maybe try wanding again 05:35:53 wow how can killer bees not succumb to ynonxinuls they're 3s 05:36:18 where by lifeline i mean the ufetubus. i guess the ynoxinuls are also distracting them 05:36:31 ill 05:36:34 zab the eyeball again i guess 05:36:42 hopefully it won't miss this time 05:36:43 good 05:36:43 yaey 05:36:51 wow these bees 05:37:12 hm 05:37:21 i guess i'll drain the bees again 05:37:32 they don't seem to be moving 05:37:47 yaey 05:37:52 hmm 05:37:58 might have enough hp to just bash them 05:37:59 bees are dodgy 05:38:03 might 05:38:08 go for the deader bee 05:38:09 monqy: im rpois tho 05:38:15 bees hit hard 05:38:16 the deader one is the yellow one right 05:38:19 you have low ac 05:38:22 probably 05:38:30 where by hit hard i mean 05:38:30 yay 05:38:39 they hit a lot, and decently strongly 05:38:51 eat some bee 05:38:53 or that 05:39:02 this bee is for eating when the centaurs come again 05:39:16 ideally you'll bee in a better position 05:39:29 it's just one cent- ohhhh 05:39:37 duck 05:39:47 what 05:39:51 where did it go 05:39:53 take the down road 05:39:58 up road is centaur territory 05:40:01 back up 05:40:05 i know i know 05:40:12 ok ok 05:40:17 spd 10 so... not using major destruction on this guy 05:40:19 well 05:40:19 i coudl 05:40:21 *could 05:40:22 but it'd hurt 05:40:25 if you like exploding yourself 05:40:30 maybe a servant 05:40:31 Will your character be eye next time? No hand, just eye so that you are limited in unable to wear anything and so on,,,...,,...,,,,,,...,,.....,..,,, 05:40:36 or backpedal, hatch, and try again later 05:40:39 I watched Kaiji show today. 05:40:47 thanks neqoxec 05:40:50 you were a real pal 05:41:21 zzo38: if just an eye, make friends with hand. maybe you can coordinate something. 05:41:29 In E Card, it is not permitted to just select a card from your hand at random; you have to decide which card to play. How can they possibly enforce that rule? 05:41:50 monqy: did you know: meleeing hill giants is a bad idea even after you've weakened them 05:41:52 quintopia: O, yes. But you have to do so later in the game, not just at the start (unless you start with such a spell) 05:42:25 wow i really need 05:42:26 spells 05:42:37 zzo38: wand of hand-eye coordination 05:42:43 bah 05:43:07 hmm 05:43:09 ellipticiott: Which one? Curse item? Uncurse item? Rotate dungeon layout? 05:43:36 Do any of these spells exist in this game? 05:43:37 monqy: hellwing v. hill giant who wins 05:43:55 zzo38: the first two do (well, (un)curse jewellery/armour/etc.) 05:45:12 ellipticiott: you could fire draining through the helwing if you're really concerned 05:45:19 There is no curse item spell in ADOM (although it is possible to use other items to curse other items); if I make up some game there should be such a spells 05:45:35 monqy: well im on a stair to the orcish mines so i could just party on orc:1 for a bit if i really wanted to avoid this situation 05:45:48 doubt my wand of draining will last much longer and there are multiple hill giants around so 05:46:10 Another spell there should be is one, during the spell's duration, allows the target to make knight moves but disallow from making king moves 05:46:25 ok that was easy enough 05:46:55 Do they have surveillance traps? Or, any other kind of traps, in this game? 05:48:07 monqy: yake 05:48:08 ehh 05:48:12 i can probably take yaks on at this point i guess 05:48:15 they're weaker than hill giants right 05:49:18 yes, they are 05:49:20 otoh there's three of them 05:50:19 i love the part where i get myself into trouble 05:51:13 you can probably take the yaks if you choke them 05:51:33 06:51 <|amethyst> ellipticiott: thanks for mentioning the thing about !, fixed in trunk (commit message should come shortly) 05:51:34 oh no 05:51:35 i've lead to 05:51:37 UI improvements in crawl 05:51:50 welcome to the club 05:51:53 -!- ellipticiott has changed nick to elliott. 05:51:59 :'( 05:52:04 monqy: i had a chokepoint but 05:52:06 i lost hp so 05:52:13 ill go for that chokepoint on the left of the map 05:52:18 you lost hp killing the skeleetone 05:52:26 you could go around that bend 05:52:31 (the one below you) 05:52:44 bam, hp on kills 05:52:45 mmm 05:52:46 hp on kills 05:52:46 yes 05:52:53 that's the makhleb life 05:53:43 oh boy 05:54:14 dunno if anyone told you but you can also annotate a level you aren't on if you';re standing on the corresponding staircase 05:54:20 the/a 05:54:25 sigh 05:54:29 monqy: i just annotated it with 05:54:30 Xmap 05:54:32 but thanks 05:54:41 uhhh 05:54:43 ?? 05:54:44 yeah that was 05:54:45 dumb 05:54:50 fuck 05:54:58 i forgot you can't chokepoint them 05:55:09 i want to hate slime creatures but they're too clever for me to 05:55:22 probably not such a good idea for you to be fighting them at that hp anyway 05:55:31 guess i'll run up another staircase 05:55:34 and 05:55:36 use a servant next time 05:55:42 oh boy 05:55:43 wh 05:55:45 i saw a corridor 05:55:47 where there was none 05:55:48 why did you go that way 05:55:51 because 05:55:52 mirage 05:55:54 i wanted to get to the green < 05:55:55 yes 05:56:13 come onnnnn 05:56:19 thats what i meant with the proably not such a agreat idea 05:56:47 you said "them" plural!!! 05:56:53 anyway time to quaff curing again like a moron 05:56:58 sigh 05:57:03 thats why curing is moronic 05:57:05 sigh 05:57:36 i only ever feel two things when playing crawl 05:57:42 "wow this is so boring when do i get to the fun stuff" 05:57:50 "oh man how did i get down all the way here i'm way out of my league and about to die" 05:58:07 have you fixed monqys-crawl yet 05:58:17 no 05:58:18 anyway 05:58:20 what should i do 05:58:21 run? 05:58:38 (it's speed 10 but MAYBE IT'LL GET A RANDOM MOVE THING AND FALL BEHIND ME) 05:59:19 "pillar dans foer ever" 05:59:23 i also have 05:59:26 uhhh 05:59:27 do you think 05:59:28 slimy pink 05:59:29 or pink 05:59:30 is hw 06:00:08 at a certain point, especially as a ghoul where you dont get such adverse effects from potionms and you dont have to worry about conserving cmut, it's better to quaffid your stacks than wait for scrolls 06:00:18 ok 06:00:21 but 06:00:28 "for the future" reference 06:00:31 at this point i need to quaff id when quaff iding the wrong one will result in 06:00:32 deth 06:00:32 so 06:00:36 i need your psychic 06:00:38 ness 06:00:45 ehhhh 06:00:46 idk 06:00:48 maybe i could drain it 06:00:52 no 06:00:54 oh it has lots of hp 06:00:55 never mind them 06:00:56 *then 06:00:57 btw slime creitters regen quickly 06:01:00 maybe youve noticed 06:01:04 yes i have thanks 06:01:13 maybe box of beasts 06:01:46 monqy: throwing net ???? 06:02:40 ok uhhhh 06:02:46 i either quaff id a potion or zap id a wand i guess 06:03:24 righto 06:03:25 uhhh 06:03:30 monqy: if im agile maybe i can outrun it??? 06:03:32 to 06:03:34 the previous level 06:03:49 agility doesnt incres yr sped sorey 06:03:54 wait what does it do then 06:04:00 07:03 agility[1/1]: Provides temporary Dex, EV, and stealth bonuses. 06:04:00 lame 06:04:03 bend space (laughes lauchges) 06:04:09 laughes 06:04:13 step from time (lmaueo) 06:04:17 maybe go invisible !!! 06:04:23 (raoeufl) 06:04:42 >:( 06:04:48 i blame the id game 06:06:19 crawl is annoying 06:06:23 yes 06:07:16 maybe ill play again 06:07:17 or sleep 06:07:58 monqy: anyway the problem with running away is that 06:07:59 it's hard 06:08:03 because things follow you 06:08:20 the idea is to 06:08:28 run away before things get you in trouble 06:08:37 and not charge into things etc 06:08:51 :( 06:13:58 anyway 06:14:01 despite the dying thing 06:14:10 i think i'll stick with light armour + try some spelles in future 06:14:31 ok 06:14:35 Can someone help me with worshipping Lugonu.(Abysmal Knight) (self.roguelikes) 06:14:38 abysmal knight 06:17:40 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/55fed8025e64a3ba584cfe6c0c6a7444bf655045 06:17:41 "my commit" 06:26:43 Does hiding certain functions from exporting in GHC cause it to optimize them in more ways than exported functions would be? 06:27:44 What's the not-text-based roguelike that I only know of because it had an autopackage thingy? 06:28:00 Sgeo: I don't know 06:28:12 waht is autoacpkaage 06:28:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopackage 06:29:55 help 06:30:14 Found it! 06:30:17 (the game) 06:30:17 http://scourgeweb.org/tiki-index.php 06:30:22 hi 06:30:30 I never managed to play it, graphics requirements too high 06:30:43 Jenna, 02:54 EDT, Fri 27 of Apr., 2012: dresses for wedding guest plus size cocktail dress beautiful wedding dresses flower girl dresses uk cheap bridesmaid dress short white dresses 06:31:59 Although I think the version I tried was just S.C.O.U.R.G.E. 06:32:11 zzo38: "For best results, use an explicit export list. If you do, GHC can inline any non-exported functions that are only called once, even if they are very big." 06:32:32 from http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Performance/GHC 06:32:57 oerjan: Is that the only thing it can do? Can it do other things such as omit patterns which it knows are unused? 06:33:58 zzo38: i don't know, that's what i found by googling. i guess if it is inlined, it can probably also omit patterns. 06:34:16 "Back in '77 I worked with Steve Bourne on /bin/sh (little known fact: like awk, sh was named for its inventors, 'S' for Steve and 'H' for Humbert) and was responsible for the 'done' keyword." And now you're paying penance by saying incorrect things about Stack Overflow questions about Haskell!!!!! 06:34:56 also it seems inlining requires the function to be non-recursive, even then. 06:34:58 What I mean, for example, it is used many times but always with the first parameter 0 then it could simplify by omitting that part from the module 06:35:32 i don't know 06:36:11 I just got my check from Knuth! 06:36:23 Exciting, eh???? 06:36:29 yay! 06:36:31 shachaf: Does it work? 06:36:41 zzo38: For depositing? I doubt it. 06:36:47 It lacks a routing number, for one. 06:36:57 Oh, so they're ceremonial now? 06:37:05 he makes them out to a fake bank, iirc 06:37:12 (I mean physically ceremonial) 06:37:23 although you _can_ get a real one if you insist, no one does. 06:37:54 he doesn't give real ones out any more, iirc. 06:37:55 even if you insist. 06:38:08 mhm 06:38:11 "Knuth had to stop sending real checks in 2008 due to bank fraud" 06:39:05 Will he pay you in cash if you go to his office? 06:39:08 I like the part where elliott is simultaneously reading my messages and pretending I don't exist. 06:39:18 zzo38: He says something along those lines on his website. 06:39:26 (with a printout of the letter, in case it is due to a letter you received from him) 06:39:31 "On the other hand, I don't like to renege on promises, so I shall do my best to find a suitable way to send money to anyone who really prefers legal tender." 06:41:47 .....Oh 06:42:00 I always though the amount was for approx. e dollars 06:42:05 * Sgeo whats at self 06:42:23 hi 06:46:41 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 06:46:41 -!- sebbu3 has quit (Changing host). 06:46:41 -!- sebbu3 has joined. 06:49:46 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:55:55 monqy: help 06:57:14 monqy: did you know almost every ??crawl entry is bad 06:58:20 07:58 i think the next crawl variant needs to replace getting the orb of zot with installing gentoo for the first time 06:58:22 monqy: monqys-crawl 06:58:25 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:58:36 -!- augur has joined. 06:58:51 -!- itidus22 has changed nick to itidus20. 06:59:05 i havent read ??crawl 06:59:13 is it any good 06:59:21 enjoy 06:59:28 selected enteries 06:59:30 07:56 crawl[4/20]: press "o" to win crawltards 06:59:34 07:56 crawl[5/20]: Crawl sort of makes me want to be an art thief or something. 06:59:42 07:56 crawl[12/20]: ...basically taking advantage of mental illness 06:59:45 07:56 crawl[13/20]: ヽ(メ˃Д˂)シ ≡⌨ 06:59:50 07:56 crawl[14/20]: [08:49] more sexy than nethack! 06:59:51 monqy: whiche bot gives me ?? entries in ##crawl¿¿¿¿¿¿ 06:59:57 07:56 crawl[17/20]: I suppose Crawl is one of those games that make you want to fuck centaurs 07:00:29 monqy: anyway what's cang ;_; 07:00:34 i 07:00:36 it's cang 07:00:47 it's the oldest injoke in the book and nobody knows how it happened 07:01:02 fsvo "injoke" 07:01:10 ;_; 07:01:11 can 07:01:12 g 07:01:12 everyone who was inside it died? 07:01:14 *cang 07:01:15 yes 07:01:16 *-g line 07:01:43 it now drifts through memespace orphaned 07:02:48 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ETc<.). 07:03:28 monqy: is mong like monqy 07:03:33 occasionally i see mong and im like 07:03:34 oh its monq 07:03:34 y 07:03:36 but its not monqy 07:04:46 -!- augur_ has joined. 07:04:54 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:05:44 monqy: :( 07:06:53 :') 07:07:17 is mong like monqy though : / 07:07:21 i forget 07:07:23 can i just treat you as one 07:07:28 maybe 07:07:28 well nobody is like monqy i guess 07:07:35 monqy: wait are you mong now 07:07:38 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: If you are Prime Minister of Klopstokia, will you make it illegal to be late for meetings? Will you remove the words "I don't want" from the dictionary?). 07:07:51 yes 07:08:30 yes 07:08:40 if i aske a questione will elliott answere it indirectly 07:08:49 perhaps 07:09:46 syraines tepr guide is good 07:09:53 its a much better entry than ??crawl 07:10:25 08:08 mikee_: i wrote syraines tepr guide and i have never played a tepr 07:10:29 is chapayev syraine 07:10:31 ##crawl is so confusinge 07:11:13 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=583&view=next I'm pretty confident I'm missing the point here but can someone tell me what exactly this "cang" meme is about? 07:11:39 stop that 07:11:44 that's ancient 07:11:47 - e is euler's number and is supposedly a Pretty Big Deal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_(mathematical_constant) 07:11:47 - pi is also an important mathematical constant to do with circles and whatnot 07:11:51 but yeah that thread was pretty hilarious 07:11:52 thanks danr 07:12:05 I'm sure all this with the name "cang" adds up to one hilarious joke for those cool enough to be in the know, but so far it has only irritated me. 07:12:08 i think that was before minmay did irc 07:12:12 wow tavern people are irritable 07:12:15 or 07:12:17 tavern person 07:12:33 which 07:12:38 danr 07:12:41 oh yeah 07:12:41 who i was just 07:12:42 quoting 07:12:44 i don't like danr 07:12:56 does "proprietor" mean they run it 07:13:15 yeah he started the tavern project 07:13:40 "project" 07:14:03 """project""" 07:14:08 ``project'' 07:14:16 nooo they were aligned 07:14:17 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `project'': not found 07:14:20 oops 07:14:26 i dont use 07:14:27 monospaced 07:14:30 fonts on irc 07:14:30 :( 07:14:39 i have to rebel some way monqy 07:14:44 if it wasn't proportional fonts for irc 07:14:50 elliott: you use comic sans, right? 07:14:55 it'd be drugs and slavery :( 07:15:33 I think slavery is not very rebellious 07:15:48 adults just can't understand 07:16:42 08:13 !learn add trcj_guide Your landlord already thinks you're a deadbeat and now you're blasting holes in the walls. You shout in anger and frustration and hurl your spellbook into the kitchen sink in a fit of adolescent rage, then you dump your coffee over its pages. 07:16:48 monqy: its too gritty i cant handle it help!!! 07:18:15 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:18:40 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4&p=4#p4 07:19:06 -!- cheater_ has joined. 07:24:05 There needs to be an IRC channel for Barbu 07:24:23 !learn add cheiwalking see {crawl} 07:24:29 monqy: funey joekse % 07:24:33 that % is meant to be a ^ 07:27:37 @tell Phantom_Hoover I should be able to comfortably host W:A games now 07:27:38 Consider it noted. 07:28:04 monqy: are you laughing 07:29:24 maybe 07:29:38 it was funnier when ??chei-walking had just been done in ##crawl 07:31:16 New way to spell (>>=): >≥ 07:31:21 Alternatively, »= 07:31:32 But But >≥ is better. 07:31:50 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:32:01 Maybe >≧? 07:32:10 No, I guess that would be >>== 07:32:13 * shachaf to sleep 07:32:37 -!- cheater_ has joined. 07:33:22 (Of course it would be ≫= if anything.) 07:34:27 -!- azaq23 has joined. 07:35:30 -!- azaq23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:52:28 -!- Ngevd has joined. 07:52:43 Hello 07:53:03 »= 07:54:36 08:52 conj is good 07:54:38 monqy: help. 07:55:57 depends on what you mean by good 07:56:38 some people in ##crawl like boring awful things 07:56:48 its a strange channel 07:57:08 /win 16 08:15:32 @time monqy 08:15:33 Local time for monqy is Thu May 10 01:15:33 2012 08:15:35 help 08:18:57 monqy: help. 08:28:39 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:31:38 monqy: help elliott and Ngevd UPDATE 08:32:01 help 08:32:05 Sgeo thanks! 08:32:11 Ngevd, yw 08:40:44 Ngevd: Howseyruo roguel iek 08:40:49 ———— A doctor . 08:41:04 —(!*·‚·) 08:41:08 oops i accidentally created a face 08:41:10 —(!*•‚•) 08:41:13 —(!*°‚°) 08:41:15 monqy: im new faces 08:41:41 wow, face 08:41:51 o~o 08:42:06 elliott, BEING REWRITTEN IN HTML+JAVASCRIPT FOR PURPOSES YOU ARE NOT WONT TO KNOW 08:42:16 monqy: begin 08:42:17 the shaming 08:42:25 Ngevd: sham 08:42:27 e 08:42:29 Ngevd: why? 08:42:32 i want to know now 08:42:35 sham 08:42:40 But you are not wont to know! 08:42:55 i want to know how much more i should be shameing you 08:42:59 *shaming 08:43:01 oh 08:43:01 oops 08:43:03 i made it correct by mistake 08:43:20 monqy, I write programs on windows and I couldn't it working on haskell in windows 08:43:26 dude its 08:43:27 nothing to bother 08:43:28 you just 08:43:31 install the haskel, pl 08:43:32 oh 08:43:32 because 08:43:34 curses 08:43:36 pah 08:43:38 youuore terible 08:43:39 curses indeed 08:43:41 monqy: maximum shameing 08:43:46 maximum shameing 08:44:12 elliott: why so many short lines ... 08:44:16 maybe you should start speaking in sentences? 08:44:26 monqy: reassign the sham 08:44:43 oh well, I'm leaving 08:45:08 its ok we can shame you from afar 08:45:09 sham for all; free sham today 08:45:10 *afare 08:45:14 monqy: can i have the shams 08:45:17 only 99 cents 08:45:28 (usd) 08:45:47 99 cents in US dollars? 08:45:56 are they also free :( 08:45:59 this is the worst christmas ever 08:46:56 @time monqy 08:46:58 Local time for monqy is Thu May 10 01:46:57 2012 08:46:59 it's so bad it's in may 08:47:03 monqy: happy 01:46:57 08:47:05 what happened, christmas 08:47:05 why 08:47:07 yes sometimes christmas gets earlier the worse it is 08:47:17 christmas in january "probably what we'll be having after the apocalypse" 08:47:28 which means we get two christmases within a month this year!!! 08:47:33 ghosts only no people alowed 08:47:37 joke's ghosts are people too 08:47:38 apocalypse: not so bad 08:47:39 everyone is dead 08:47:45 monqy: *jerk's 08:48:56 monqy: do you remember when santa existed :( 08:49:34 no D: 08:49:58 -!- Ngevd has quit (Quit: low battery). 08:50:12 monqy: low battery 08:50:22 ^rainbow low battery 08:50:22 low battery 08:50:35 lowe batere 08:50:45 youore time on this earth is running out monqy !!! 08:50:50 D: 08:51:03 theres no coming back after the battery runs out ! 08:52:01 monqy: also yuore going to explode too 08:52:09 i dont want to explod 08:52:14 "tough" 08:52:17 - god 08:53:07 monqy: be also ready to stomach. 08:58:48 -!- MoALTz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:59:08 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:03:49 monqy wasn't ready to stomach. 09:04:06 :'[ 09:07:12 Ow, battery. 09:07:38 welcome fizzie. u 2 will be discarded by the evisceration as monqy ceases to sustain the universe 09:10:55 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 09:11:28 monqy: hi i woke up 09:11:46 helllllo 09:11:51 are you tyred 09:12:01 very 09:12:06 i had a dream about a horse who wouldn't go away 09:12:12 his name was eliot : / 09:13:09 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:13:25 but he didn't have any hands, so it was ok to be mean to him 09:13:54 how peculiar 09:14:02 do horses usually have hands 09:14:18 all the time 09:14:23 but not on sunday 09:15:41 hey tane.us got more pages!!! 09:15:48 yaey 09:15:50 i love tane 09:16:07 http://tane.us/spacedog.html 09:16:29 is that a secret page 09:16:35 theres another secret page i forget where it is 09:16:42 this is a perfect simulator of me 09:16:49 just press the spacebar erratically 09:23:05 monqy: attn. i added 2 and 2 and got monqy. are you responsible for this 09:23:20 -!- MoALTz__ has joined. 09:23:24 i don't know D: 09:23:43 you do not have any of the answers monqy do you 09:23:51 it is okay ; i too lack the answers ? 09:25:05 the true secret in this world is that there are no answers monqy 09:25:27 10:15 EXECUTIVE DECISION, ILLL BE BACK EITHER MORE SOBER OR UNABLE TO SEE. 09:25:27 10:15 Either way, I am ascending. 09:25:27 10:15 anubisbafoobis has left IRC (Quit: Page closed) 09:26:08 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:26:13 all i know about him is one time he was starving and died of starvation on the turn he bought out an entire food shop 09:26:20 good 09:28:38 -!- MoALTz__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:40:02 -!- MoALTz has joined. 10:00:04 -!- derdon has joined. 10:01:53 @time monqy 10:01:55 Local time for monqy is Thu May 10 03:01:53 2012 10:01:58 monqy: happy 03:01:53 10:02:12 :( 10:02:20 are you sad yet 10:02:28 i want to be a sleep 10:02:50 it's not possible 10:06:58 -!- cheater__ has joined. 10:07:28 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 10:07:36 that's it 10:07:38 monqy stopped 10:07:39 we're all gone 10:10:20 -!- cheater_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:12:08 now would be a bad a time as any to formulate the rules to an xkcd drinking game 10:15:34 -!- david_werecat has joined. 10:16:18 yes 10:16:54 this is what happens when monqy stops being in charge of these things 10:17:00 there's no limits on the depravity we will reach god help us 10:22:08 -!- Lumpio- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:32:06 -!- Lumpio- has joined. 10:32:12 -!- Deewiant_ has changed nick to Deewiant. 10:33:38 -!- Taneb has joined. 10:33:45 Hello 10:34:22 Actually, goodbye 10:34:24 -!- Taneb has quit (Client Quit). 10:35:21 hi 10:52:02 -!- Ngevd has joined. 10:52:14 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:55:59 -!- Ngevd has quit (Client Quit). 11:00:53 lol @ minecraft world: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120312.html 11:03:12 hi ais523 11:03:20 hi elliott 11:03:26 hi ais523 11:03:49 elliott: so I reached level 22 in Brogue last night 11:03:54 (the Amulet of Yendor is on 26) 11:04:01 and I've seen almost all the monsters in the game now 11:04:02 oh dear, you're getting addicted, aren't you 11:04:07 not really 11:04:15 it's quite a quick game, that only took about 3 hours of play 11:04:18 congrats, anyway 11:04:22 that's wrt all the attempts 11:04:30 I think quickness is a good thing in a roguelike 11:04:40 got killed by an allied troll because I didn't realise it had been discorded 11:04:40 since usually all that changes is less repetition of the same stuff 11:06:11 Brogue actually makes Crawl's thing of "you have to do with the items you find" actually /work/, when previously I'd have said it was a really stupid idea 11:06:19 it doesn't work in Crawl, though, because it has a character selection screen 11:06:41 hmm, as opposed to what? 11:06:51 as in, what can you have other than "you have to do with the items you find"? 11:07:31 in Brogue you select your character after you start playing (with ♪oE), so that it's going to be compatible with the items you find 11:07:42 I like races/classes, personally; it's nice to have inherently different aptitudes and abilities to make things interesting 11:07:47 even if items are a large part of character-building 11:08:03 and say, in NetHack, if you want to play a particular sort of character you can typically actively go out and gain the items you need to do that 11:08:14 with the Castle wand or polypiling or branch rewards 11:08:40 Crawl does this to some extent with shops, but not with anything else 11:09:05 right, I like the use of randomness for character building 11:09:07 and Brogue does it with key reward rooms sometimes, but that mostly just gives enough flexibility to create a consistent character, rather than a particular character you wanted to play 11:09:21 Crawl tries to do that with the draconian colour thing; apparently it doesn't work too well 11:10:14 it doesn't work too well /because/ it doesn't give you the opportunity to build around your character 11:10:31 FWIW, my solidifying opinion on Crawl is that it's a bad game, but fun to play 11:10:33 say you become a draconian who's really good at casting fire spells, that's pointless unless you happened to start FE or find a book of fire 11:10:48 I guess you could play atheist until your color changed and then pick an appropriate god 11:10:52 and whining about its numerous flaws is part of that fun 11:10:59 but that's going to be problematic 11:11:14 ais523: what I heard was that it's ineffective bceause the colours barely mean anything 11:11:21 so people just keep doing what they were doing 11:11:33 they have to, because if they did mean something the game would be unplayable 11:12:11 btw, I'm now responsible for a commit to Crawl happening :( 11:12:15 "no way out now" 11:12:23 which one? 11:12:29 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/55fed8025e64a3ba584cfe6c0c6a7444bf655045 11:12:32 I'm responsible for a commit to Crawl happening too 11:12:33 (needs JS) 11:12:53 I have JS enabled for gitorious already, it seems 11:12:56 but IIRC it isn't needed for those pages 11:12:57 I asked how to annotate levels you're not on, and whether ! in the Xmap does it; answer is yes, and I said I wasn't sure because it used the same prompt as it would for annotating the current level 11:12:59 just to change branch 11:13:05 so |amethyst fixed it 11:13:08 (within minutes) 11:13:29 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:13:37 ais523: I think JS /is/ needed for that page, because it starts off with a "hey, this page needs JS!" message and no diff 11:13:40 and then the diff appears 11:13:46 ah, OK 11:15:04 hypothesis: almost any roguelike would be fun to play as long as it (a) has an interface as polished as Crawl's, and (b) has a lot of different stuff 11:15:08 *stuff in it 11:16:16 ais523: btw, what LOS do you like? (in general) 11:16:21 elliott: do you allow "more polished than Crawl's"? 11:16:35 and I think I like NetHack/Brogue-style LOS the best 11:16:46 sure, although I'm sceptical of the implicit claim that any roguelike has a more polished interface than Crawl right now 11:16:53 well, Brogue's is more polished in the sense that it's pretty 11:16:55 although it works better in NetHack than in Brogue, it doesn't interact too well with pits 11:16:59 but not in the sense that it can keep track of a bunch of stuff for you 11:17:12 ais523: I don't like being able to see through walls 11:17:13 oh, I care about things like consistency, and lag resistance 11:17:25 you can't see through walls in NetHack or Brogue, unless they happen to be transparent 11:17:42 oh, hmm, indeed 11:17:44 well, that's a kind of LOS 11:17:46 just an unrealistic one 11:17:53 OK, different question: what kind of targeting to you like? 11:17:54 *do you 11:18:05 I think it depends on what you want from your combat 11:18:23 ranged targeting, that is; or even not combat at all 11:18:25 consider blinking, etc. 11:18:30 Animist is going to use 8-direction targeting like NetHack, but where many spells are homing so you can hit things that aren't on the diagonals 11:18:34 actually, blinking isn't really relevant 11:18:49 ais523: yeah i can't abide by "you can only fire hjklyubn" 11:18:55 it is in Brogue, you can choose direction not distance so you have to aim at a wall 11:18:58 it's just ridiculous that something can avoid being attacked by standing one direction below 11:19:06 even if they're practically right next to you 11:19:10 *one tile below 11:19:15 elliott: it's nice on the interface, at least, and for magic it actually makes flavour sense (the words of the spell determine the direction) 11:19:21 anyway, I'll be back later, /away 11:30:31 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 11:39:21 -!- Taneb has joined. 11:39:38 Hello! 11:44:25 I've messed up my laptop again... 11:52:28 hi 11:53:15 This is why I shouldn't be allowed to upgrade things 11:55:09 Whoa, id Software is pronounced as in the word id, not as in eye-dee software. 11:55:39 Who knew? 11:56:01 Not I. 11:57:38 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:57:44 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 12:12:19 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:12:21 back 12:14:37 Hello 12:16:48 hi 12:17:41 -!- ais523_ has joined. 12:18:11 "error: unknown filesystem; grub rescue>": please advise 12:18:51 lol 12:18:54 you're fucked\ 12:18:59 *-\ 12:19:07 what did you do 12:19:08 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:19:40 I attempted to install Ubuntu 12.04 12:19:50 over what 12:19:56 Ubuntu 12.04 12:20:08 what 12:20:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:20:36 ??? 12:20:48 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 12:20:51 The first install went bad 12:21:01 Taneb: looks like the second one did too 12:21:03 is there any data of value on the partitions in question 12:21:23 not having a recognisable filesystem is quite a major problem for a partition, really 12:21:26 if no: just boot a livecd, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdwhatever, start the install from scratch 12:21:26 The partitions grub gives access to? 12:21:35 Taneb: the drive full stop 12:21:38 Yes 12:21:39 if you know what filesystem's meant to be on there, you could run the appropriate version of fsck from a liveCD, I guess 12:21:43 (actually, you can cancel that dd after a minute, since it'll have overwritten the important parts) 12:21:47 Taneb: eh 12:21:54 Taneb: how painful would it be to rescue it and start over 12:22:11 Doable 12:22:37 might be the simplest thing... the alternative is messing with the partition table (which might not be that much of a pain) 12:22:54 boot the ubuntu installer and do manual partitioning, if you're confident in your skills of recognising which partition has your important data 12:23:01 then just try deleting all the others and adding a new one for ubuntu 12:26:13 Patashu: how do i watch your zotdef 12:26:16 it's not on cao or cdo 12:26:48 -!- MoALTz has joined. 12:27:01 webtiles 12:27:13 you're kidding me 12:27:23 wong tiles 12:27:27 wang tiles even 12:28:20 Patashu: ok but why 12:28:55 webtiles has the hp bars 12:29:00 it makes zotdef a lot easier 12:29:18 you're such a windows user 12:29:30 how the fuck do you turn it to glyphs 12:29:36 F10 12:29:44 and select glyphs+symbols 12:29:56 too much spacing w/ glyphs+symbols 12:30:31 dwi I guess 12:31:07 i'm ding wi by using just glyphs 12:31:55 spear of Premature Burial 12:31:56 good name 12:32:36 Patashu: i don't get zot defence 12:32:55 ok 12:32:56 you say this 12:32:59 like zotdef is a thing you 'get 12:33:07 well as in 12:33:12 i don't actually understand what you are doing 12:34:05 on the simplest level 12:34:05 well 12:34:09 one level beyond "killing dudes" 12:34:29 elliott: it won't delete 12:34:50 Taneb: more detail pls 12:35:07 2 partitions that I want to delete won't delete 12:35:12 huh 12:35:13 ok??? 12:35:17 mennas got stuck in some kind of AI loop 12:35:17 well 12:35:18 good for me 12:35:35 Taneb: sigh 12:35:40 Taneb: why do you say they "won't delete" 12:35:46 what behaviour occurs to make you say this 12:35:51 Patashu: but what are you DOING 12:35:55 "Error deleting parition" 12:36:01 that's all it says? 12:36:02 thanks installer 12:36:12 stopping monsters from getting to the orb 12:36:17 Taneb: is this your primary machine 12:36:22 Yes 12:36:27 ehhhh 12:36:36 can you boot any other OS on it 12:36:52 No, they all go via grub 12:37:31 windows i presume? 12:37:35 would you consider the problem temporarily resolved if you could boot windows (and not linux) 12:38:03 Yes 12:38:45 ok 12:38:52 do you have a windows cd lying around 12:39:15 Ish? 12:39:18 ish 12:39:22 I have a Toshiba recover disk 12:39:37 weeeeeeeell 12:39:43 that wipes your entire HD 12:39:45 to my understanding 12:39:50 if you had a windows disc 12:39:55 you could just reinstall the bootloader 12:40:18 now that said there's a vague possibility you'll be able to convince the grub rescue stuff to boot windows but it'll be A Huge Pain if it's possible so uh 12:40:35 it might be best to use the ubuntu livecd to copy all your data off and then just nuke the disk from orbit 12:40:43 by which I mean wipe it and reinstall everything 12:45:04 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:49:27 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: bbl). 12:49:35 ...I have a Windows 98 SE CD 12:49:49 Would that be any help? 12:53:23 no 12:53:35 unless you want to install windows 98 12:53:42 Which I don't 12:57:15 Patashu: why are two other people watching you 13:05:12 Patashu: you gonna report that bug? :P 13:05:51 of course not 13:06:04 pfft 13:06:07 but it's even in a release! 13:08:34 it's a -zotdef- bug 13:08:35 who cares 13:08:42 zots 13:08:48 and it probably has a retardedly complex cause 13:08:49 how do you know it doesn't happen in the eral game too?! 13:08:50 *real 13:09:03 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:09:06 because zotdef fucks with all the pathfinding etc stuff 13:12:50 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:20:34 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 13:32:03 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:04:51 -!- lkjhl has joined. 14:07:00 what this channel is about ? 14:07:30 Curry 14:07:33 `@ lkjhl ? esoteric 14:07:33 Indian food 14:07:37 lkjhl: This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. 14:10:44 -!- lkjhl has left. 14:13:37 @time #esoteric 14:13:37 TIME 14:14:15 @time #haskell-blah 14:15:01 [16:13:40] Channel CTCP TIME request from lambdabot [~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com] (TIME), ignored 14:16:34 -!- asiekierka has joined. 14:58:07 -!- esolang_1234 has joined. 14:58:12 I'm back 15:00:52 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:03:03 Gregor: possibly the best short #esoteric fanfiction paragraph i've read today 15:06:47 if i can tell the kolmogorov complexity of a program, can this translate directly to the cost of running it on hardware (cpu time, memory usage)? 15:07:33 the kolmogorov complexity of the program as a string of letters? 15:07:57 no, as a program. 15:08:03 what does that mean? 15:08:03 How do I use EgoBot? 15:08:17 !help i don't know maybe like this 15:08:17 ​Sorry, I have no help for i_don_t_know_maybe_like_this! 15:08:26 !commands 15:08:34 !help commands 15:08:35 ​Sorry, I have no help for commands! 15:08:40 !help you 15:08:41 ​Sorry, I have no help for you! 15:08:44 lol 15:08:52 oklopol: kolmogorov complexity can be used to check the complexity of a text, but also of more complex objects, such as programs 15:09:02 oklopol: look at text as a trivial program which is its output 15:09:03 and what does it mean then? 15:09:50 that only helps if i know what the k complexity of a program is and i'm given a string 15:09:58 but i only know what the k of a word is 15:10:05 a measure of the computational resources needed to run a program 15:10:26 that is the high level definition of kolmogorov complexity of a program 15:10:50 notice i said "run" a program not "describe" a program 15:11:02 can you link a definition? 15:11:18 if you wanted to check the computational resources needed to describe it, you'd probably use an optimizing compiler of some sort. 15:11:27 no, i have heard it in a lecture 15:11:44 esolang_1234: stop spamming me 15:11:52 No: nicoo told me to. 15:12:09 esolang_1234: keep spamming me 15:12:26 ? Is this a joke? 15:12:40 no 15:12:58 cheater__: okay, never heard of such a thing 15:13:11 well i have heard of measures of running complexities 15:13:19 perhaps that's a natural thing to call them 15:15:35 if you were tasked with measuring the cost of running a program, how would you approach it? 15:16:47 How do I run a BF program with EgoBot? I got it to give me the language list, but I can't findn the run command. 15:16:49 do you mean how would i model that mathematically, or do you mean i'm given a program? 15:16:56 !bf muuuuuu 15:16:58 No output. 15:17:06 !bf ,.!joo 15:17:07 No output. 15:17:30 !bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 15:17:31 No output. 15:17:33 !bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. 15:17:34 B 15:17:38 !bf ++++++++++++++++[>+++++++++++++++<-][.-] 15:17:39 No output. 15:17:42 ? 15:17:53 !bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++. 15:17:54 BE 15:17:59 !bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++++. 15:18:00 BF 15:18:01 counting is hard. 15:18:11 ++++++++++++[>++++++++<-][.-] 15:18:17 I think I got it. 15:18:39 whoops. Forgot the !bf 15:18:47 !bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++<-][.-] 15:18:47 No output. 15:19:00 Oh. 15:19:07 Bf is hard. 15:19:12 !bf ++++++++++++[>++++++++<-]>[.-] 15:19:13 ​`_^]\[ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA@?>=<;:9876543210/.-,+*)('&%$#"! ..................... \......... 15:19:17 cheater__: as the mathematical model, i would assume we compute total self-maps on naturals, and let T(n) be the number of steps taken when input is n, and S(n) be the space used 15:19:28 that is, the usual way 15:21:22 hm, yeah. 15:21:25 What happens when Egobot does an infinite loop? I don't think it can solve the halting problem. 15:21:41 !bf +[] 15:21:53 !bf +++++++++++[.] 15:21:53 ​.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 15:21:59 if you ask me to investigate a particular program's running times, i'd run it on a few random inputs or tell you to go fuck yourself. 15:22:03 naturally 15:22:26 Oh, oklopol is here. 15:22:31 * Gregor writes more oklopol/elliott shipping. 15:22:36 esolang_1234: it can solve the halting problem for all programs you can submit through irc though 15:23:09 What if I submit wolfram's 2s3s turing machine? 15:23:11 you can easily do that with a look-up table for any finite length 15:23:18 (given the look-up table) 15:23:48 !bitwisecyclictag 1110001010 1001 15:24:16 !BCT 1110001010 1001 15:24:19 esolang_1234: the first program for it that hasn't been proven to either terminate or not needs two characters more than the freenode message length 15:24:32 Gregor really thought this one through 15:24:48 Wow. I'm just staring at that, laughing. 15:25:04 good 15:25:18 !BCT 1001 1001 15:25:28 How do you run another type of program? 15:25:53 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:26:00 dunno :/ 15:26:28 !run BCT 1001 1001 15:29:32 !bf ++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>.>---.>----.<++++++.----.+.+++.+.-.---.>+.>--. 15:29:32 Hi oklopol! 15:30:08 whii 15:30:17 +++++++++++++++[>+++>++++++++>+++++++>++++++<<<<-]>>>----.<-----.----.---.>>+++++++.<<++.>++.>--.<<<++++.+.+.+.--------------------.>--.>>++++++++++.++.<--.<+++++++.<.>>.<.>>++++.---.<----.>++.-------.<<.<++++++++++++++.------------------------------------. 15:30:52 Still running..?.?. 15:31:21 Oh. 15:31:25 !bf +++++++++++[>+++++++++>+++>+><<<<-]>>.<-.++++.-------.+++++++++++++++++++++.++++.----.-------------.--.+++++++++.>-.+++++++++++.+++.>-. 15:31:26 ​!bf_txtgen +. 15:31:43 Awwwwwww I hoped it would run the output. 15:31:50 !bf +++++++++++++++[>+++>++++++++>+++++++>++++++<<<<-]>>>----.<-----.----.---.>>+++++++.<<++.>++.>--.<<<++++.+.+.+.--------------------.>--.>>++++++++++.++.<--.<+++++++.<.>>.<.>>++++.---.<----.>++.-------.<<.<++++++++++++++.------------------------------------. 15:31:51 esolang_1234 likes esolangs. 15:33:20 !languages 15:33:28 !langs 15:33:42 Ohwait, it's 15:33:44 !help languages 15:33:45 ​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 15:34:21 !bf +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++>+++>++++<<<<-]>+.>>++++.-.>--.<+++.--.<<++.>>-----------------.>++.+++++++++.<<--.++++++++.>>---.<<.+++++.>>----.<.<<++++++++.>-.----.---.<----.>++.<++++++.--------.>>>-------------.+.+.+.<.<--.---.++.<++++++.>++++++++.>.<<.>.----.---.<----.>++.-------.++++++++++++.>>------.<----------------------. 15:34:22 ​[10:31] esolang_1234 likes esolangs. 15:37:03 !bfjoust (++-)*100000 15:37:04 ​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ 15:37:36 !bfjoust failshudder >>+++++<<(++-)*100000 15:37:46 ​Score for esolang_1234_failshudder: 16.7 15:37:50 lol 15:38:11 -!- augur has joined. 15:40:36 -!- esolang_1234 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 15:50:29 Diablo's rogue-influenced, but so are Dark Cloud, Dwarf Fortress, Dungeon Siege... I don't think any of those are roguelikes either. 15:50:29 (Apparently all mainstream roguelikelikes have to start with "D" though.) 15:59:18 what about Dungeon Keeper 15:59:28 that doesn't start with a.. oh wait 16:02:56 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:04:18 -!- asiekierka has joined. 16:26:27 -!- derdon has joined. 16:41:40 Shiren the Wanderer? 16:41:53 more roguelike than many open-source or beerfree roguelikes 16:42:01 and yet it's a mainstream game and doesn't start with D 16:45:01 The shiren series is the only roguelike I've ever bothered with 17:00:21 -!- ais523_ has joined. 17:00:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:00:50 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 17:02:15 -!- Foggalong has joined. 17:03:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Client Quit). 17:04:33 -!- Foggalong has quit (Client Quit). 17:05:56 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:09:20 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 17:09:41 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:39:39 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:49:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:54:42 Urrgh. If you want to get through gmail's junk mail filter, it's really easy: Just attach a virus to your email. Then it's guaranteed that the recipient will get at least your subject line. 18:03:58 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:04:12 Hello 18:11:50 Is there a command that tells me what commands were installed with a particular package? 18:15:59 -!- azaq23 has joined. 18:16:09 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 18:16:41 -!- azaq23 has joined. 18:17:36 -!- monqy has joined. 18:25:22 -!- ais523_ has joined. 18:25:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:25:44 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 18:28:59 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:30:39 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Page closed). 18:32:14 -!- MoALTz has joined. 18:33:25 dpkg -S 18:33:33 oh taneb is gone 18:33:51 cheater__ -S 18:33:53 how goes 18:34:22 thinking what i should do at the gym tomorrow 18:34:57 maybe i'll do some abs in addition to the usual which is arms 18:35:06 don't you have enough arms already 18:35:07 the usual on that day that is 18:35:20 no i need at least 80 18:36:15 do you ever go to the gym kmc 18:36:18 no 18:36:23 or are you cultivating a life raft 18:37:29 kmc: how's stuff with u? 18:37:39 ok 18:38:06 how's your mish mosh 18:38:09 pish tosh 18:38:26 ok 18:38:28 -!- nortti has joined. 18:38:42 does it have double precision hdr colour yet 18:38:45 no 18:38:49 waiting for ur patches 18:38:50 insufficient 18:39:11 my patches will not merge with such a primitive codebase 18:39:17 i need at least wordpress code quality 18:39:49 we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own 18:40:13 resistance is mutex 18:40:24 itym futex 18:40:37 futual exclusion? 18:40:39 I unistalled Xorg today. Now I only use framebuffer and console apps 18:40:54 perhaps bonghits will fix your Xorg 18:41:16 Now I have 3 times more free memory 18:41:18 nortti why did you think i said i need 80 arms 18:41:26 the best resolution is 80 chars amirite 18:41:39 Here's an idea. 18:41:40 nortti: you can finally execute emacs 18:41:48 good 4 u 18:41:50 Like Lisp, but the only atoms are "and" and "or". 18:42:04 That is the entire idea. 18:42:13 your idea is boring 18:42:19 it's still lisp 18:42:31 cheater__: futex is a linux system call 18:42:32 cheater__: why would I want to use emacs if I can use ed? 18:42:35 if u did not kno 18:42:46 kmc: yeah, i knew 18:42:49 i was just pulling your leg 18:43:10 kmc: bonghits? 18:43:14 (and) is true and (or) is false, and... I don't know what (()) is. 18:43:15 yeah 18:43:25 unless your pipe is cracked 18:43:30 then you want some of that 18:44:06 tswett: make it use deontic logic and you're getting somewhere. 18:44:59 what language are you talking about? 18:45:10 Brainf**k 18:45:16 it's distinct from Brainfuck 18:45:21 and from Brainf*ck 18:45:26 and from BF 18:45:58 nortti: http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity490.html 18:46:15 kmc 18:46:57 kmc 18:47:00 i am super-bored 18:47:07 kmc: I still don't understand 18:47:08 you have been tasked with entertaining me 18:47:38 persevere and your god might pull you out of your miserable little life 18:48:07 fail, and your soul shall forever roam the labirynths of doom 18:50:04 nortti: it's ok 18:50:16 cheater__: have you seen this british sitcom _Peep Show_? 18:50:22 i might be the last person on earth to hear about it 18:50:25 but it's bloody hilarious 18:50:49 you are in europe and so the european tv takes less time to propogate 18:50:54 i've never found it funny 18:51:02 well, you're a bad person and you should die in a fire 18:51:07 how much have you seen? 18:51:07 probably because i've had british idiots around all day every day 18:51:12 not too much 18:51:29 haha 18:51:34 i've heard of peep show before i heard of you 18:51:39 if that tells you anything 18:52:14 i thought Series 3 was particularly funny 18:52:17 unless you're the guy who came to london from boston, and was raving about haskell and erlang and his hedge fund software during a pub drinking night 18:52:19 but it's all good 18:52:25 i'll check it out 18:52:35 that all sounds like something i'd do, except for erlang 18:52:40 yeah 18:52:53 also have you ever had a moustache 18:53:09 not a very good one 18:53:22 I think I like the idea of modal logic gates. 18:53:36 why do you 18:54:18 isn't that just quantum computing 18:54:21 Because there is a king in Norway. 18:54:54 No, quantum computing has tons of nuances that the phrase "modal logic gates" does not imply. 18:57:27 yeah and php is not a wrapper around c libs 18:57:40 the basic description of a quantum computer is a) pretty simple, and b) totally different from what anyone who hasn't studied quantum computing thinks it is 18:58:23 tswett: which modal logic do you have in mind? 18:58:50 linear temporal logic could be a fun basis for an esolang 18:59:16 kmc: in which ways is it different? 19:00:36 Well, in a quantum computer, every possible classical memory state is assigned a complex number, the "probability amplitude", such that the sums of the squares of the absolute values of these numbers (the "probabilities") is 1. 19:01:22 Computation consists of a sequence of quantum logic gates, which are unitary linear transformations, and observations, which are weird. 19:01:25 Or something like that, anyway. 19:01:30 nortti: it's not known to give you generalized nondeterminism 19:02:41 kmc: modal logic can be expressed in quantum computing in a very natural way 19:02:45 it's possible that BQP = NP but also possible that BQP = P 19:03:04 kmc: because quantum computing is constraint computing 19:03:10 is it now 19:03:14 is too 19:03:34 if your constraints don't fit your wavefunkshion collapsez 19:03:40 It's also possible that P = NP... 19:03:48 yes 19:03:56 cheater__: uh 19:03:57 But that's considered unlikely. 19:06:05 by some 19:06:08 kmc: http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4856.html 19:07:08 i mean when you ask experts for a guess, you get some "P ≠ NP", some "P = NP", some "independent of ZFC", and some "don't know" 19:07:24 P ≠ NP is certainly the plurality view, but not unanimous 19:07:31 http://www.cs.umd.edu/~gasarch/papers/poll.pdf 19:09:05 wrt a random oracle, P ≠ NP with probability 1 19:09:28 and yet there are classes which are unequal this way with probability 1, yet are equal in the "real world" with no oracle 19:11:27 -!- david_werecat has joined. 19:17:09 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:25:33 kmc, http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4805.html 19:25:45 heh 19:29:05 "Webcomic author's tip: always wait at least 5 years between updates. Amateurs often update more frequently but this is a mistake." 19:29:08 :) 19:29:30 :) 19:37:02 http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4769.html 19:38:10 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:40:26 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:40:41 As much as I don't like the GOP, this image is pretty 19:40:42 http://www.gop.com/themes/site_themes/gop/images/footerbanner.png 19:41:43 http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4755.html 19:41:53 kmc: i think you need a kernel patch 19:42:07 strcpy("dongs", "bongs") 19:42:23 Sgeo: GOP? 19:42:45 "Grand Old Party". The Republican party. 19:42:59 -!- augur has joined. 19:43:17 gcc doesn't warn on that line, even with -Wall 19:43:29 i would have thought that string literals have type const char* 19:43:38 but maybe they don't, for backwards compat 19:43:49 Name's kinda ironic: they're the younger of the two major US parties. 19:44:03 kmc: The standard says they're const char*. 19:44:16 kmc, ur such a geek 19:44:23 pikhq_: are they? wow 19:44:37 IIRC, it doesn't; it just says you shouldn't modify them. 19:44:46 The type is still plain char. 19:45:00 'The term originated in 1875 in the Congressional Record, referring to the party associated with the successful military defense of the Union as "this gallant old party"; the following year in an article in the Cincinnati Commercial, the term was modified to "grand old party".' 19:45:55 ... The fuck they're actually char[]s but modifying them is undefined behavior. 19:46:08 "For character string literals, the array elements have type char, ..." 19:46:09 kmc: -Wwrite-strings should warn about mutating a string literal. 19:46:14 (it's not part of -Wall) 19:46:31 By the way ate there even other parties and democrats and republicans in USA 19:46:35 it's not even in -Wextra! 19:46:45 nortti: sure, there are tons, they rarely have any political power though 19:47:01 nortti: I did say "*major*" for a reason. 19:47:15 There's dozens of political parties, just hardly any that remain relevant. 19:47:16 You used to be able to make them writable with -fwritable-strings, but I think that has gone away. 19:47:28 NP is a proper subset of P 19:47:59 fizzie: I suspect they figure that anything that old won't work with any modern libc *anyways*. :) 19:48:11 oklopol: no it isn't 19:48:13 oklopol: Congrats on your millions. 19:48:18 the proof uses the theory of GOL gliders 19:48:25 kmc: yes it is 19:48:33 i just finished the proof and am going to be rich 19:48:42 cool story bro 19:50:53 http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4724.html 19:52:25 so kmc 19:52:28 i am a bit less bored 19:52:34 you have not failed me, little one 19:53:07 yay 19:53:11 you have discovered jerkcity? 19:53:14 or just rediscovered 19:55:51 rediscovered 19:55:57 kmc, recursion: http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4713.html 19:58:28 cheater__: i'm watching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_(TV_series) 19:58:39 i haven't decided if it's interesting or really terrible or both 19:59:00 you need to watch stargate sg-1 back to back. 19:59:04 no 19:59:19 have you watched it already? 19:59:19 this show has a total Magic Negro character 19:59:25 i thought writers were wise to that sort of thing by now 19:59:26 btw, I have a prediction for what will happen in Oracle v Google 19:59:37 I predict that Google will be found to owe Oracle exactly $750 in damages 19:59:44 kmc: is he poor 19:59:48 and possibly a mute 20:00:05 parts of this show sound like the Numberwang Code trailer 20:00:15 the what 20:00:22 kmc, i've found a movie which you must watch 20:00:25 it is called lisztomania 20:00:27 you don't know about numberwang? 20:00:31 and you will enjoy it 20:00:46 no i do not know of numberwang 20:01:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc 20:01:23 ais523: why that much 20:01:28 cheater__: he lives in the bronx, so probably poor 20:01:43 kmc: it's the minimum possible value for wilful copyright infringement, so it would seem appropriate for 9 lines out of 15 million 20:01:49 heh 20:01:56 kmc 20:01:56 i didn't know there were minimum penalties in civil suits 20:01:59 download lisztomania right now 20:02:01 no 20:02:04 maybe 20:02:12 do it 20:04:13 i really liked numberwang 1x01 20:06:48 hm maybe i should watch stargate 20:07:23 i think i have a copy 20:16:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:16:58 kmc: the movie is so so 20:17:05 kmc: the tv series is much better 20:17:11 kmc: have you seen "history of numberwang"? 20:17:57 yes 20:20:00 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:25:03 "Shit, we swore we were going to get through this week without praising the Third Reich again." 20:47:12 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 20:50:02 -!- augur has joined. 21:04:30 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:06:38 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: nortti). 21:10:38 -!- Patashu has joined. 21:22:09 -!- augur has joined. 21:30:05 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:47:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:08:50 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 22:09:28 -!- itidus22 has joined. 22:12:28 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:12:28 -!- itidus20 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:26:53 C++,C--,C#,Cω,C♫, C₀ and C! are already taken, might I recommend "C-:"? It looks something like a smiley face. 22:30:48 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 22:35:20 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:45:46 * ais523 downloads Unity source 22:45:57 oh, should download gnome-games source too 22:57:03 -!- david_werecat has joined. 23:07:35 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:13:13 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:29:34 -!- variable has changed nick to const. 23:36:00 -!- ais523 has quit.