< 1336694655 468785 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4702.html < 1336695761 337932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336696216 350785 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523> C++,C--,C#,Cω,C♫, C₀ and C! are already taken, might I recommend "C-:"? It looks something like a smiley face. < 1336696222 232105 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely, not Cflat < 1336696242 932020 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you decide if Touch is good or bad < 1336696856 297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1336697825 2133 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1336698037 157930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336698904 946914 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336700423 569709 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336700630 545796 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336701561 914249 :mrdragons!~em@91.222.36.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336702325 954001 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1336702364 304716 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336702514 255302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336703353 96497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I was trying to think of with WizardCard, for example in Magic: the Gathering you may have a card with effect: Enchanted permanent gains "{0}: Destroy ~". Note in this case what the tilde refers to! So when converting into a computer code, the macro has to know what it is doing! < 1336703552 696213 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1336703569 821981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if it eventually becomes: grant(read(this,attachee),activated(free,destroy(tilde))) and then it has to expand the "tilde" macro. Possibly by using some kind of lambda so that the parameter can be replaced at runtime by the current "this"? I don't know exactly how. < 1336703683 207862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/thjko/oh_ghc/ why is this a submission < 1336703683 407262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336703875 902362 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arn't higher order functions enough? < 1336703878 660702 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need macros? < 1336704227 490738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Higher order functions are useful but macros are also useful for different purpose. < 1336704238 709466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some things one will do which the other won't. < 1336704246 218689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both ways) < 1336704252 440045 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use a macro here? < 1336704331 733085 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :activated :: Cost -> (Context -> Context) -> Ability < 1336704342 577286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: Well, even the code I gave would result from the expansion of a few macros; but I am using some macro just for what I have thought. < 1336704386 401237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, your type would be essentially it; well, the second parameter might differ somehow, or maybe not... < 1336704493 635649 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :grant :: Permanent -> Ability -> Permanent < 1336704494 326958 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1336704502 804982 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even < 1336704546 196197 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Ability = Triggered (Context -> Bool) (Context -> Context) | Activated Cost (Context -> Context) < 1336704547 447041 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1336704549 513627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give an example in Haskell where a macro would work but a function won't do, is: let { f g = either g g } in f :: (b -> c) -> Either b b -> c; let { f g = either length length } in f :: t -> Either [a] [a1] -> Int; if f were a macro in the first case then you could do like the second one too since their types fail to match < 1336704643 506681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: I think those are a bit too simple; for example, these parameters are not necessarily pure values since first you need to calculate them in context (and there may be rules to override the context), and then this "grant" also needs to count as a (static) ability, etc < 1336704695 628426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means it need to allow overriding and other things, some which can be done by monads others which help partially by macros too < 1336704987 32673 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336705454 426065 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net NICK :TeruFSX < 1336705900 399355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider an Inform 7 program such as "Instead of taking the telephone booth, kill the player." But, this is a global rule. In Magic: the Gathering, there might be effects on cards that act somewhat like this, and even these ones can be overridden; global rules can also be overridden. < 1336706702 14439 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you wrote the music to this game's title screen, right? http://armorgames.com/play/13225/pretentious-game < 1336706852 858804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_n - a cursed -5 ring of strength (left claw) < 1336706856 476193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuo're horible corl < 1336706970 114971 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know a good non-distance-weighted pathfinding algorithm < 1336707001 989261 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeruFSX: What are you making? < 1336707015 798803 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a browsable point-connected map < 1336707088 775328 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll look somewhere more appropriate < 1336707117 708510 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only know sound stuff, not AI < 1336707423 788868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeruFSX: Can't you just use A* :P < 1336707434 238755 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh yes < 1336707867 188052 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to rip the music that was definitely written by Gregor and not by somebody else.
< 1336708088 454895 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor writes music? :D < 1336708223 248238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/ < 1336708269 490032 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor definitely writes music, such as the acclaimed Opus 11, as well as such pieces as Opus 10 and Opus 13. < 1336708321 446087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implying 11 is better than 13. < 1336708324 259435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, I don't remember 11.) < 1336708342 909860 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opus 11 is one of the best thousand songs I've ever heard. < 1336708358 667658 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opus 11 is . . . the best thousand songs I've ever heard. < 1336708361 815950 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha he uses opus numbers :o < 1336708369 244343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's a pretty low standard. < 1336708396 941007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what else to call it, you use opus numbers, isn't it? < 1336708406 345619 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of taking the telephone booth, kill the player. < 1336708414 98041 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as play counts go, Opus 11 is tied for... 252nd. < 1336708427 883630 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, what's that one song? < 1336708428 440557 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: why not filenames :D < 1336708442 146149 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tswett < 1336708443 368185 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That goes da (da-da-da) da (da da) da (da-da-da) da (da da) and so on? < 1336708455 425120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: But you would still need to decide something such as filenames too < 1336708455 947030 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5553 < 1336708462 396071 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi madbr < 1336708463 256534 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4442 < 1336708469 385799 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, "Hardlyquin". < 1336708479 815570 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1336708578 688999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1336708579 723162 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about his "electronic music", his piano stuff is nice tho yeah :D < 1336708603 973893 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the songs he has played 19 times.
< 1336708608 597707 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all of these songs are exactly equally good. < 1336708720 660060 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yeah the solo piano stuff is a lot better :D < 1336708749 76309 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I thought when you could compose well for one you could do it for the other... oh well :D < 1336709107 495371 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else composes in here? :D < 1336709134 537616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have written some music in QBASIC < 1336709278 356112 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zzt? :D < 1336709410 258334 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what my music would look transcribed < 1336709422 743226 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably hard to play stuff with jumps all over the place :D < 1336709977 723303 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mind revealing itself to itself < 1336710022 205997 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no it's just that it's composed to sound good on computer, not be easy to play :3 < 1336710028 249249 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so often it's kinda fast etc < 1336710185 272804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, also ZZT, but also QBASIC. Some music I have written is in Bohlen-Pierce I wrote a subroutine for QBASIC called "PlayBP" which is like the built-in PLAY but with Bohlen-Pierce notes < 1336710360 378424 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336710371 659144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WriterT (Product (Ratio Integer)) [] is one way to represent a probability distribution in Haskell, I would think!! (You can then sort and combine and whatever else, afterward) < 1336710615 495018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derptal 2 http://imgur.com/a/x9qTF < 1336710695 67127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For doing the macro expansion in WizardCard I have decided this might work: type Expander = StateT [Declaration] []; How well do you think? (It would sometimes have multiple possible expansions, some of which may eventually fail; and is also possible for macros to add new declarations) < 1336710725 678160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And to read other declarations, affect declaration in other ways too, etc) < 1336711008 841503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if Pascal compiler to target LLVM exists? < 1336711397 430959 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336711421 611699 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336711421 669413 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-30-220.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336711421 669552 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336711814 83154 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336712800 932145 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"madbr � so often it's kinda fast etc" how fast? < 1336712932 806538 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Wychodzi < 1336712940 298374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1336712966 118319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336712978 642627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID U KNO THAT IN C ARRAYS ARE POINTERS. ALSO I = I++ + I++ CAUSES I TO BECOME 4 < 1336712990 368313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELKOM TO INFORMATION SUPERHEIGHWAY < 1336712992 444427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what I's previous value was. < 1336712992 462377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1336713020 208181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1336713022 451814 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YES INDEED. < 1336713032 187925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I just realise now that 4 is a plausible result if i starts as 0 there. :( < 1336713043 667494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort of, anyway. < 1336713048 184741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it isn't. < 1336713068 855190 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly plausible. < 1336713098 873069 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But arrays aren't pointers. :-( < 1336713099 186606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any result is plausible for a sufficiently flexible 'plausible'. < 1336713135 515707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = i++ + i++; /* i becomes a picture of a dog */ < 1336713172 683392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a sizeof(i)*CHAR_BIT-pixel black-and-white dog. < 1336713183 901592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I put in parentheses there. :( < 1336713194 601652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to say (sizeof i)*CHAR_BIT, I think. < 1336713199 859635 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof ((i)*CHAR_BIT) < 1336713214 467258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it doesn't become a numerical representation of a picture of a dog. < 1336713216 539789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It becomes a picture of a dog. < 1336713228 369422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("%d\n", i); /* prints a picture of a dog to the screen */ < 1336713232 718455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on text-only displays. < 1336713259 546343 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention I got *TWO* responses from Knuth about my email? < 1336713291 984011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were the responses saying completely opposite things? If so, that does perhaps not bode well for further volumes. < 1336713313 447207 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, one was a followup. < 1336713320 599787 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also one was handwritten, the other emailed. < 1336713992 396252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know God is a crazy woman? I don't. < 1336714007 330446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336714177 51981 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336714329 219075 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336714361 739927 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1336714390 665934 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336714677 635279 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/#!/Marinmenyo/status/200628420789547010/photo/1 < 1336714723 74169 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-200.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336714840 453885 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-51.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336715168 288481 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-124-200.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336716421 679096 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1336717325 533064 :cheater__!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336718313 946911 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-142.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336718918 369393 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-153-208.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336719081 3688 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-115-142.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336719317 429226 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has PH been online at all recently? < 1336719318 800633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph < 1336719329 813291 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pH < 1336719386 651826 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP < 1336719422 264253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in ireland < 1336719531 658051 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you pronounce “via a” (as in “via a connection”) as “viaRa”? < 1336719541 879247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pause is not "r"! < 1336719639 171737 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s what i thought, but in Look Around You the guy pronounces it like that and when i asked another British guy about it (some years ago) he confirmed that’s how it’s pronounced. Also, wouldn’t using a pause sound something like “viatta” to a Brit? < 1336719640 456352 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :viar a? < 1336719650 799228 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's concievable < 1336719737 465113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this would be a good learndb entry for me why are 10 people watching elliott die to a beetle < 1336719758 155156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Sgeo will add it < 1336719797 764261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when will you get W:A working? < 1336720150 848906 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336720217 326991 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-190.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336720253 754640 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336720357 576082 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-153-208.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336720450 428790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there some program with some features of Astrolog and other programs, can also plot the International Space Station's coordinates, and coordinates of camera satellites (such as Google Earth), set camera angles of objects, set various other parameters, etc. Another possible feature would be dynamic orb angles based on apparent diameters and other things < 1336720894 960621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Stellarium" program has a satellite plugin (including ISS) that knows how to calculate the coordinates, but Stellarium itself is more of a "look at the sky" program than "calculate things about the sky" one. (And I doubt there really are any "Google Earth" satellites; I'd suppose there's at least two levels of companies between Google and the satellites.) < 1336720918 755804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, celestrak.com is about tracking satellite positions, I think they've got some software links too. < 1336720933 369150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's where Stellarium's plugin gets its information from.) < 1336720976 372126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336721491 661923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astrolog is missing a few report formats (one thing missing certainly is that although it can print calendars; it lacks the feature to include any data on the calendars), but it does do many things that other programs don't have. Just a similar program but with other features too, as well as the way to combine them, would help. < 1336721512 428329 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-123-190.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336721535 789631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have the satellite positions on your computer? < 1336721599 284404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the coordinates of ISS are? < 1336721979 158856 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 03:13 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5867126092237181778 < 1336721981 549200 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 02:16 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6229002293145728844 < 1336721991 99355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336722422 270718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to hear jokes < 1336722423 138452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast naga < 1336722427 878943 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1336722476 81141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1336722486 419329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo HA < 1336722486 626568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "ion!ion@heh.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo @echo HA"]} rest:"echo; msg: < 1336722486 726071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"ion!ion@heh.fi\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\":@@ @echo @echo @echo HA\"]} rest:\"echo; msg: < 1336722486 744559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\", msgCommand = \\\"PRIVMSG\\\", msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo HA\ < 1336722486 744768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\"]} rest:\\\"HA\\\"\"" < 1336722555 484777 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Does the International Space Station affect your luck in romance or gambling? < 1336722591 152311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Not unless you are betting on or marrying someone living there. < 1336722637 580310 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what its position was at the point you moved from the inside of the womb to the outside. < 1336722670 428715 :cheater!~cheater@p50897B3B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336722687 392948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: In that case, I highly doubt it. < 1336722723 547945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At first I thought you meant the current date/time; which is what my first answer was based on) < 1336722723 980695 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it’s excluded from the list of objects in the sky behave like that? < 1336722725 634773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that < 1336722772 855389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 4.1 is hard < 1336722786 383477 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336722803 91977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any comments about the pronunciation in the videos? < 1336722811 179181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No objects in the sky behave like that, as far as I am concerned. But if you like to do so, you can assign what they mean to you according to synchronicity (the subjective grouping of events; as opposed to causality which is the objective grouping) if you have nothing else to do. < 1336722866 259233 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was just wondering what Astrolog would do with the location of ISS. < 1336722876 38150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I didn't watch. < 1336722878 718896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Have you played 4.1? < 1336722881 301598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should play 4.1. < 1336722901 531384 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m plortal 2. < 1336722904 341030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is possibly the case of indirect effects from whatever, possibly psychological effect from superstition, possibly lighting conditions, and once the king was scared to death by an eclipse, so such things are not completely impossible. < 1336722946 88899 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :II'v tried it < 1336722951 992774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Well, it would simply plot its location on whatever reports you want. Interpretation text could be given too; but you would probably not use the ISS in interpretation reports. < 1336722954 113918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gotten very far < 1336723005 419544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Astrolog does allow full customization of interpretation texts, so it is possible someone might do something with that) < 1336723267 870018 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I now know what this world is missing. There needs to be some sort of natural law whereby anyone who writes a substantial amount of crap eventually dies in fires started by their own software." < 1336723274 687864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what are you writing a denotational semantics for :o < 1336723288 615669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, on the astro-graph you could plot its position above the Earth on a map of the world, on the horizon view you can determine its azimuth/altitude, and on the horoscope you can plot its ecliptic longitude, and there are many other reports available too. < 1336723317 822002 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing!!! i'm not writing a denotational semantics i'm near falling asleep. if i was writing a denotational semantics though it would be a secret < 1336723329 915766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don't like secrets!!! < 1336723334 734727 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too bad" < 1336723354 459922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it'll gnaw at me!!! < 1336723364 247867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hurting with pain monqy < 1336723377 803010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more pain: i've already written small-step and big-step operational semantics for it < 1336723382 475438 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more pain: by written i mean in coq < 1336723389 195166 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you feel it < 1336723391 915437 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gnawing < 1336723401 39482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1336723416 524050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it your language you're going to write your roguelike in < 1336723422 88872 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336723423 659330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo a very likely guess) < 1336723427 206216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!! literally impossible < 1336723461 978110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but what IS it!!!!! < 1336723465 546494 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a secret < 1336723477 665810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when will it stop being secret < 1336723483 34113 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will never stop < 1336723494 850131 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like stalk me and find my name on a paper or something idk < 1336723495 266719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336723496 815544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1336723513 446056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you feel the tears inside my eyes < 1336723514 700004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name isn't on any papers yet don't even try < 1336723607 206802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but what < 1336723607 897085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1336723609 286052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it : ' ( < 1336723622 564382 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a secret < 1336723625 845539 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even my own project < 1336723646 221935 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"universety researche" < 1336723656 367322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not help the gnaweing!!! < 1336723720 931014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it." - GK Chesterton < 1336723789 913524 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336724082 718677 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-151.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336724172 412752 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-122-245.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336724685 35756 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-214.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336724872 447234 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-125-151.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336725445 494985 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336725525 570578 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336725525 629471 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336725525 629631 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336725747 437221 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336726559 327653 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336726562 930954 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell < 1336726582 507151 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1336726613 983172 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1336726837 888042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 QUIT :Quit: Pushing red button with purple dots and yellow lines is not permitted on Tuesdays, sorry! < 1336727089 386502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this game is so much better than dcss wow < 1336727090 795257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1336727091 654082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1336727097 525918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which game? < 1336727110 119467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: linley's dungeon crawl 4.1 alpha < 1336727119 107451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which caused dcss to exist < 1336727122 725346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and never got out of alpha) < 1336727128 84705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful < 1336727154 777841 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still haven't got my laptop working < 1336727352 838879 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1336727356 123867 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong < 1336727413 144648 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grub's messed up < 1336727459 212647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not grub that's messed up < 1336727465 60799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the whole filesystem < 1336727491 159429 :cheater!~cheater@p50897B3B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336727509 621397 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can still access my files when I boot from USB < 1336727553 22438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you can? < 1336727556 855587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on every partition? < 1336727606 424338 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1336727741 854245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336727745 483366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be fairly easy to repair then < 1336727753 401269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch me when i'm not watching monqy play 4.1 < 1336727757 710797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll try to help you fix it < 1336727813 226580 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch you catch me < 1336728113 31811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336728307 667695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why not daggre :'( < 1336728309 815156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*daggere < 1336728315 461955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was glowing !! < 1336728381 633464 :cheater!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336728534 904959 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336728596 383090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's V < 1336728601 525918 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaults < 1336728620 243778 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the branche) < 1336728620 707239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336728637 239279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you have to admit, it's more fun than dcss!!! < 1336728648 44688 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not spen :( < 1336728704 552646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: play a mummy!!! < 1336728867 879743 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1336728939 275453 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can I catch you now? < 1336728948 427394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1336728952 621948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a linux livecd < 1336729049 564424 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB, yeah < 1336729115 4705 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mute character will communicate with hand-held wooden signs on which are scrawled his comments and questions. < 1336729127 619898 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipping the sign will often display additional messages � often more than the two one would expect from a simple two-sided object. < 1336729141 680806 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well duh < 1336729145 975166 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The signs are 4-dimensional < 1336729189 915435 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so its a 4 dimensional rotation? < 1336729197 793946 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this http://achewood.com/index.php?date=11092005 < 1336729247 165625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: boot it < 1336729255 31177 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-120-81.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336729292 530927 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm chatting using it < 1336729299 172255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: open a terminal < 1336729310 272018 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1336729321 867892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok do you have the linux partition mounted < 1336729331 195521 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1336729339 861451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd to it < 1336729341 436983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brb one second) < 1336729382 979699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1336729384 695512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: done? < 1336729390 516400 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's certainly a quick reply. < 1336729396 799219 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1336729402 867604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo chroot . < 1336729419 355296 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1336729420 284570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1336729424 523418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ubuntu version is it < 1336729429 887938 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.04 < 1336729459 847321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1336729471 406322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, close that terminal; install the Boot-Repair program instead (through the package manager) < 1336729474 18890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then click "Recommended repair" < 1336729476 475307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should automate the grub reinstall < 1336729488 244211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it might not be available in the main repos < 1336729491 211530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try opening a terminal and < 1336729495 801505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update < 1336729499 457871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install boot-repair < 1336729501 627489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run it < 1336729513 980580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1336729521 860113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :write down the URL it gives after it repairs it < 1336729529 687682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has information about your system that could be used if it doesn't work < 1336729619 215629 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got stuck at Reading Package List... 90% < 1336729665 138550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for how long < 1336729666 178707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a minute < 1336729674 367563 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just changed to 91% < 1336729677 913145 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: ? < 1336729696 109969 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, it's completed < 1336729760 826182 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... < 1336729764 99529 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ran out of space? < 1336729774 97211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1336729780 308827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _did_ do it in another terminal, right? < 1336729787 139848 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1336729792 792174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one second < 1336729804 170115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok show me the exact error please < 1336729813 661522 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still going < 1336729826 434623 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it took like 1min 10sec after i first mentioned strange flipping signs before you posted the comic reference < 1336729830 812679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1336729842 85737 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, just stopped < 1336729848 110041 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg: error: failed to link '/var/lib/dpkg/available' to '/var/lib/dpkg/available-old' for backup of available database: No space left on device E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) < 1336729857 522500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1336729858 773345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you run < 1336729859 658626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount < 1336729862 480782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tell me what it outputs < 1336729881 561483 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your favourite pastebin? < 1336729888 14434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprunge.us i guess < 1336729901 768726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1336729933 839253 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparantly, I haven't got curl < 1336729951 331531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1336729954 17505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use hpaste or something :P < 1336729984 465129 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/68376 < 1336730063 951824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336730068 561764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird < 1336730072 27090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh < 1336730075 507639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rebooting then running the same commands < 1336730158 977512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: failing that < 1336730163 322577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for the repair program in the menus anyway < 1336730163 837127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1336730177 959933 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, bye < 1336730180 455712 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 QUIT : < 1336730381 309477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: yes < 1336730502 339795 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using my power of google search < 1336730835 459658 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336730928 696337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: cheater_ < 1336731045 503904 :cheater!~cheater@g229023029.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336731148 857553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, lighting might be inefficient if I do it the way I was going to... < 1336731600 111797 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95AFE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336731865 356171 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.231.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336731889 439128 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.231.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello everybody < 1336731930 202325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336732012 375950 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-157-214.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336732425 469141 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336732449 114126 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336732545 472238 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336732550 132018 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that didn't work < 1336732552 257109 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Hello! < 1336732678 793622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Show me the URL? (In /mgs.) < 1336732680 436194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*msg < 1336732692 120674 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it didn't work at all < 1336732696 724794 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a fresh live usb < 1336732700 321027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very specific. < 1336732703 615491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean it ran out of space again? < 1336732710 218060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yes, making a new live medium won't help. < 1336732742 28219 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means I tried to make more space and it went horribly wrong while attempting that < 1336732789 203093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well, then. < 1336732797 574775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, USB sticks are mutable. < 1336732803 390942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why it didn't try to install it to a RAM fs. < 1336732805 284609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1336732806 701719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1336732809 522403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FS. < 1336732818 9902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let me know when you have the new live medium booted. < 1336732849 827833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You could alternatively download http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/, which has it pre-installed. < 1336732857 460473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And use unetbootin to put it on your USB stick.) < 1336732867 536438 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished Portal 2. The ending was brilliant. < 1336732905 498604 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1336733043 67153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finish the weather game. The ending is tight. And also sweet. Or so I hear. < 1336733223 6993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also didn't Portal 2's user-generated content steam workshop thing just come out? That doesn't sound very finishable. < 1336733224 388712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weather game? < 1336733234 886272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/12/20 < 1336733267 515197 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-75.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336733293 31589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336733303 580550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, did you do the 2-player thing? < 1336733312 172673 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The single-player main game, duh. :-P < 1336733322 211389 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: That’s next in TODO. :-) < 1336733348 270086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't take long. < 1336733376 520364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the actual playthrough part. In my case, locating a second player did. < 1336733433 974733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played through a bit with a random < 1336733440 704966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played through most of it with a friend < 1336733546 302547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played through it with the built-in voice thing, and got some comments about how nonsensical it sounds to a third-party observer who's not watching the screen, just having to listen to (one side) of the speaking. < 1336733563 900366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1336733735 596974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose Perpetual Testing Initiative supports the making of coooopy test chambers? < 1336733822 8540 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal 2 co-op is one of the most mentally taxing video game experiences i've had < 1336733882 958151 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to coordinate motor skills, spatial reasoning, abstract problem solving, and communicating with another person < 1336733902 713382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to like make up words to describe the stuff in the level so you can coordinate < 1336733908 85284 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1336733984 833932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I think it went along quite naturally. I suppose it might depend somewhat on the another person, though. < 1336734076 498260 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1336734159 429691 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc did you get lisztomania yet < 1336734167 706963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336734169 857639 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a maserwork < 1336734174 765864 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :masterwork too < 1336734181 366898 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was kinda drunk too < 1336734190 852272 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats zardoz < 1336734195 162963 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336734199 206130 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not el topo < 1336734206 77815 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nearly < 1336734257 611165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's 39690 entries in the thing already, and it's been out, what, three days? < 1336734286 597218 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in what thing? < 1336734301 589609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portal 2's community-generated-map steam-workshop thing. < 1336734357 538568 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336734567 237965 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-75.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336734617 916710 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, installed the ISO on the USB < 1336734628 323568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, boot it and use boot-repair. < 1336734653 105138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might end up downgrading GRUB, but that'll get fixed the next time Ubuntu updates it.) < 1336734866 833445 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I can't get wifi, it seems < 1336734870 155224 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1336734896 614212 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-127-161.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336734906 600901 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336734931 718175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Doesn't matte.r < 1336734933 622725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*matter. < 1336735000 578748 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs internet to run the thingy < 1336735001 190251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The red component of the diffuse reflection color. < 1336735013 19849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Oh, right. < 1336735020 662899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well... try the Ubuntu live medium again. < 1336735022 365495 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I've plugged in an ethernet cable < 1336735067 22651 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be working < 1336735116 935184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaey. < 1336735165 935522 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Together we're invincible < 1336735195 386493 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, url time < 1336735197 309222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rip. < 1336735281 724640 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if this works < 1336735313 933241 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1336735315 55555 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1336735316 104548 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1336735319 620443 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you elliott! < 1336735331 181053 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1336735335 25268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congraetulationse and yuoruea welcomae < 1336735407 298606 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-127-161.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336735457 507162 :Taneb!540d5857@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.13.88.87 QUIT : < 1336735547 322235 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336735736 928802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any comments about the pronunciation in the videos? < 1336735738 176980 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95AFE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336735748 308653 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m curious about the R thing. :-) < 1336735755 613223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I still didn't click them (and probably can't be bothered to unless you relink). < 1336735790 995870 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:13 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5867126092237181778 < 1336735793 420954 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:16 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6229002293145728844 < 1336735849 299413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Ah, the "viaRa" thing. < 1336735866 998372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'll find that were the narrator to end a sentence with "via", it would sound the same (with the perceived "r"). < 1336735877 799166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not really. < 1336735893 815512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure exactly what's going on there -- you'd have to ask a linguist -- but the "r" seems rather implicit. < 1336735918 737108 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1336735920 666898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it's not really there, it's just the two sounds adjacent to each other that end up bridged by one. < 1336735928 236869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks the second video.
< 1336735936 25816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You realise Look Around You is on YouTube, right?) < 1336735967 148895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's definitely a quirk of the (deliberately exaggerated) accent. < 1336736002 657524 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just clicked on the first video results for my search terms, they happened to be at video.google.com. :-) < 1336736035 903866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask augur. :p < 1336736064 52927 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Ask augur. :p < 1336736132 934342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336736138 738284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336736143 802479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's beautiful < 1336736169 462942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. :''''''( < 1336736178 464876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''( < 1336736187 588946 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are beautiful. < 1336736195 913000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betaful. < 1336736199 626763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' < 1336736199 645486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''( < 1336736213 460404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bæutiful < 1336736226 67760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I could comment on your beauty, the universe would explode < 1336736234 309625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hålp < 1336736236 986363 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should prefix that with @@ @echo @echo @echo @echo < 1336736245 408197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo hjålp < 1336736245 536398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo @echo @ < 1336736245 607502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo hj\195\165lp"]} rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"# < 1336736245 625683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric\",\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo hj\\195\\165lp\"]} rest:\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/ < 1336736245 625885 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\\\", msgCommand = \\\"PRIVMSG\\\", msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo hj\\\\195\\\\165lp\\\"]} rest:\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\"freenode\\\\\\\", < 1336736245 625992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : msgLBName = \\\\\\\"lambdabot\\\\\\\", msgPrefix = \\\\\\\"elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott\\\\\\\", msgCommand = \\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\", msgParams = [\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\":@@ @ < 1336736247 537493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo @echo @echo @echo hj\\\\\\\\195\\\\\\\\165lp\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\"hj\\\\\\\\195\\\\\\\\165lp\\\\\\\"\\\"\"" < 1336736260 912945 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1336736265 252061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo foo < 1336736265 428194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo foo"]} < 1336736265 497413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest:"foo" < 1336736284 597651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if saying @print-notices in public would have lambdabot leak @tells to the channel, or if it has prevention against that. < 1336736289 99565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I'm going to test.) < 1336736308 513644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could test it in a private channel? < 1336736317 205958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd have to make lambdabot join it. < 1336736321 650126 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true < 1336736322 513755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose I could. < 1336736347 596237 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: y u so racist < 1336736355 817811 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping non-ascii characters like they're second-class citizens < 1336736361 393146 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also “@time” any channel lambdabot is on (and any other channel without +n). < 1336736374 699309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @time #haskell < 1336736401 555701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: yes, @print-notices works in public. < 1336736411 397328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it has a special case for channels with only one person in them!!!! < 1336736437 926859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.@quit < 1336736445 905410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That felt too scary to even risk a space in front of.) < 1336736451 860356 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1336736512 564404 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm watching british TV from a youtube video which was captured by a screengrab program from the channel4.com website flash player < 1336736517 921317 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray computers < 1336736532 750163 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 4oD? < 1336736536 82206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the Look Around You DVDs. < 1336736546 118715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should upload them to YouTube in HIGH-DEFINITION. :p < 1336736552 557073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume that's what kmc's watching, given the context, but maybe not.) < 1336736556 521169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Look Around You is BBC. < 1336736564 734985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My country is complicated. : ( < 1336736567 691920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjålp. < 1336736584 473849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's "hjälp"? < 1336736585 913303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get the LAY DVDs, too. < 1336736589 81939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's shitty. < 1336736597 606403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twice the dots! < 1336736600 568603 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjälp sounds Swedish. < 1336736605 125060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjålp looks funnier, though. < 1336736608 232252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It is. < 1336736621 574507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :hjålp http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1336736623 460796 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjålp would be pronounced hjolp. < 1336736639 896446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in my mind. :( < 1336736648 755225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I'm watching Peep Show < 1336736650 926417 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a hard j or a soft j? < 1336736656 460860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Same thing. < 1336736672 602749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look Around Your DVDs", the show about how to keep your DVD collection in order. < 1336736672 883764 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: As in “yes”, i think. < 1336736697 181798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity512.html < 1336736805 473578 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: walking dog tiem < 1336736832 129457 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-99-182.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1336736978 274444 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1336736985 274015 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1336737100 182870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒƒ < 1336737111 788619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :†_† < 1336737118 238750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h¡alp < 1336737127 119207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :h√alp < 1336737132 350617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :≤hjalp≥ < 1336737145 627582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjÚlp < 1336737186 397249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL60DDD0F77698B8EB < 1336737188 461733 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 <3 <3 < 1336737217 453501 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in the 2370s https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/542294_467069256642918_122908054392375_2060207_456662483_n.jpg < 1336737221 708930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Hey, you haven't said a single thing in 2012. < 1336737239 625229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Rectify this. < 1336737252 968168 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc do you ever eat steak? < 1336737286 549269 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He has spoken twice via HackEgo. < 1336737317 721945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like when you contact the dead via a medium? < 1336737354 367118 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336737505 981340 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1336737510 28672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: More like Benat, rightt? < 1336737511 506478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right? < 1336737528 702676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benat and Dvegn. < 1336737528 761435 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god how did you know < 1336737538 216887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1336737560 9799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :≈hjålp≈ < 1336737597 124621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb" is a reversal of a portmanteau of contractions of my and my brother's names < 1336737623 824953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is the "nat" for "Nathan"? < 1336737682 384482 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336737703 594441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome _niels < 1336737711 630010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​_niels: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1336737716 939284 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, elliott < 1336737731 145549 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1336737776 699201 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336737842 816040 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 + 2 < 1336737843 604950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1336737848 599352 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=] < 1336737889 394103 :_niels!83b49825@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.180.152.37 PART :#esoteric < 1336737892 349440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1336737893 165891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1336737895 792298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, already? < 1336737908 410916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you recognise lambdabot and give up on #esoteric that quickly? < 1336737958 112974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow hjålp < 1336737958 285479 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2h3j4�5�6l7p < 1336737968 228679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please fix fungot's Unicode support. It's not that hard. :( < 1336737968 743859 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i haven't looked. :p " nanotechnology" " i want") < 1336738112 355266 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install skype, recieve call on skype, skype freezes < 1336738113 391072 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1336738310 989480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should, since it'd just be a single preprocessing step thingie, since the fungespace cells are quite capable of holding any codepoints. < 1336738326 569207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::') < 1336738361 980756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, is hjÄ¥lp really so bad? < 1336738438 427835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336738444 143346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has completely ruined the purity of the hjålp. < 1336738463 52581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Technically I must note that it'd also be a postprocessing step thingy.) < 1336738467 744324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But think how much more useful ^ord would become! < 1336738546 668892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe I'LL do it. < 1336738550 978094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1336738550 996492 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1336738564 839734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where's the read loop. :( < 1336738582 860753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line 56 does the main read. < 1336738601 721487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it could as well go into the bit where it has extracted a full line out. < 1336738628 563430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Would that work for: UNICODE USERNAMES? < 1336738644 676471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could iterate over all of them or something. < 1336738653 455994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like it'd be easier to just turn one string into one string. < 1336738676 410764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is complicated. :( < 1336738681 637371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still turning just one string into one string when you do it after it's extracted a single line, before it gets split into fields. < 1336738724 890446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be around line 73; the parts below it expect there to be a single complete line somewhere. < 1336738740 235010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I see what you mean. < 1336738746 450122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be better to do it there, out of curiosity? < 1336738756 975609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also would this break the ^bf interpreter's input?) < 1336738797 406408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the only reason why it'd be better to do it after line-splitting (as opposed to immediately after the R) is that you wouldn't have to deal with incomplete UTF-8 sequences. < 1336738877 926711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At line 73, there's a single full line on fungespace line 3 that could be deutfied. (Based on the fact that the prefix-looking bit starts with 03g':-.) < 1336738897 538706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fungespace line 3"? < 1336738914 817072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, Y=3, X=0, 1, 2, ... and so on. < 1336738932 309621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be fungespace line 73? < 1336738934 668312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that ^bf thing still worries me.) < 1336738941 725412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And that, I suppose. < 1336738968 493337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, the data is stored on "physical" Y-coordinate 3. < 1336738988 79378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you mean the line itself? < 1336738990 664205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1336738995 206054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1336738999 897685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's output done? (And what about bf?!?!?!) < 1336739006 196317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^bf < 1336739094 210630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd need to do something w.r.t. ^bf, yes. I'm not entirely sure what. All the current programs are written in the "one cell, one character" logic. < 1336739111 27277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suppose that's actually what you want, if you want things like ^rainbow to work. < 1336739115 542866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But OTOH, that would break the 8-bitness of it. < 1336739118 682067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is unfortunate. < 1336739120 289871 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336739133 311181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Though I'm not sure if there's anything that really depends on the 8-bit wrapping. < 1336739147 402605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the existing programs people have used, that is. < 1336739154 816434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's still nice to have, considering it's the only usable BF interpreter in the channel. < 1336739163 431850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could just fix ^rainbow itself. < 1336739174 506711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But knowing how many characters to wait before changing to the next colour in BF sounds... painful. < 1336739179 412130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF doesn't exactly have bitwise and. < 1336739205 763414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a true statement. < 1336739380 742720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for output, it's slightly more complicated. There are in fact several places that write to the socket. < 1336739397 356641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is rather badly-designed! < 1336739397 528846 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do we still lack that thing anyway. < 1336739401 937589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yes. < 1336739402 454697 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's not much point. its always visible. only that too bloated is far better, qdb is inexplicably beating it in times. < 1336739413 366799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're always visible? < 1336739414 193131 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pygments is great. i cannot find -the- implementation for my first time here, can i make http://paste.phpfi.com/ fnord ( looks like we gonna have fun < 1336739415 333272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bloated is far better, yes. < 1336739436 320993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You apparently can't make it, since that pastebin seems to have died. Are we really gonna have fun? < 1336739443 968357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That wasn't 5 lines. < 1336739460 896533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to be four, I think. But it wasn't four either. < 1336739478 462978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you had some leftovers from a previous discussion. < 1336739491 81068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Make it speak to me. :( < 1336739498 6766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Speak to elliott. < 1336739498 523024 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't seem to support define-syntax? ( beyond the obvious mere existence of c code) < 1336739507 385628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you support define-syntax? < 1336739514 788167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No macros for me. :( < 1336739519 304950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You were right. < 1336739519 827502 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: multithreading is of course more productive in scheme, avoid set!, how would you fnord it? you can tell < 1336739523 318164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The mere existence of C code isn't obvious to me! Sent from my @puter < 1336739523 832481 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what scheme system? probably. it'll be crazy and do your own thing" language. but to use a us keyboard mapping < 1336739545 40366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, not Scheme; @lang. It is, indeed, a "crazy and does my own thing" language. < 1336739545 252100 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, maybe i need to < 1336739546 282906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much about Scheme today. < 1336739553 1684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Use @? Yes, you should. It's perfect. < 1336739553 367617 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you know c++? with templates? its just some number of continuations, though, < 1336739569 430329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No! It's nothing like C++, and templates are an abomination! And what do continuations have to do with this? < 1336739569 772968 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it will work. i'll be here all week. try the --large command-line option. < 1336739575 516891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot --large < 1336739587 123375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're such a silly. < 1336739587 473084 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' you have to go < 1336739592 294736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1336739595 616545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Rebelling against your maker, are we? < 1336739595 960990 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am in error, by the way, < 1336739606 209590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Sounds like you're having a breakdown. < 1336739606 597323 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mm-hmm. openbsd does some tricky under-the-hood trickery ( not quite, sorry. :p < 1336739608 780387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it was correct, I *do* have to go. < 1336739619 262693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The trickery is tricky? Astonishing. < 1336739619 608631 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you, sir)) to use set! anywhere else? < 1336739626 295796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think he's going to mutate you. < 1336739630 148858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1336739632 81526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, fungot.) < 1336739632 429251 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please input two numbers to get the hostesses released! give them their own lines produces ugly output.) also, did you know < 1336739632 447155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scary. < 1336739639 842090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 3 7 < 1336739646 213223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Don't worry, you're free now. < 1336739663 298909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're so irrational. < 1336739663 642472 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you a student or professional? " i don't really understand what and how you can interpret it as " the wire" < 1336739681 627585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Well, he doesn't study, and he's not professional. < 1336739682 142357 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recruit them for me even in rlwrap ( ie doesn't quit) < 1336739690 460289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You still want to recruit him knowing that? < 1336739690 799474 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the point is that bill richter interprets incorrectly and out of it. < 1336739703 56677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Bill Ritcher, eh? < 1336739703 394274 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it ran... i ran upon a problem and found that 99% of them would not be useful < 1336739709 599415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Technically speaking I guess I am a student. I have a study right and all, I just enrolled the other day. < 1336739710 3070 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i may be imagining others, though, by about 12% of the us, too. < 1336739712 459924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It's true, most problems aren't very useful at all. < 1336739712 636302 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't you have more than one? the interactive fiction language? < 1336739730 505250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There are... multiple languages for writing interactive fiction in, yes. < 1336739730 845288 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fnord/ fnord/ fnord question 2. polecat, fnord, fnord < 1336739731 710161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I have to be going out now to see a man about a horse. (Well, no. But anyway.) < 1336739735 719758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, come on. < 1336739736 204894 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a bit more complex, but i think most scheme-c compilers compile for something that isn't c or bash :) ( there's also a function plotter, if i remember < 1336739814 535233 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.231.203 PART :#esoteric < 1336740194 95368 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95AFE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336740214 33785 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336740805 719477 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: yeah i eat steak < 1336740811 254502 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i cooked a steak sous vide < 1336740812 805040 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1336741002 168002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do u know how sous vide works cheater_ < 1336741033 29843 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a poor diabetic, the things i crave most of all are fried potato chips and various kinds of kfc chicken pieces < 1336741086 568389 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. false teeth like movie stars have which are like screwon < 1336741099 550299 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fricken hate toothaches < 1336741168 463113 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the creator of Fortress Craft has replied to TWICE as many tweets of mine as the creator of Minecraft < 1336741174 149155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the former is a superior game < 1336741204 423349 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have never tried, but i should < 1336741244 174095 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it with minimal equipment < 1336741250 749351 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a pot of water, a ziploc bag, and a candy thermometer < 1336741290 539649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Hmm, DjArcas. Is that the loudmouthed moron they got to promote that thing? < 1336741295 536883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget who it was. < 1336741301 247005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it started with "Dj". < 1336741306 800481 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next step up is a beer cooler < 1336741309 944736 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336741334 863783 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, i know it's "easy" < 1336741347 135783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe he's also the creator < 1336741348 193895 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a candy thermometer, why do you need that specifically? < 1336741355 434765 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of candy < 1336741360 790966 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the steak i cooked today was amazing < 1336741367 440407 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like flesh-flavoured candy < 1336741382 816334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I remember is reports of him flipping out and calling people gay at the slightest provocation. < 1336741384 628538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good PR. < 1336741426 12339 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fried it in french orange mustard (nearly like jam/jelly), with red peppers and ginger, and some italian mustard apples < 1336741429 980024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The slightest provocation" being "people saying they don't like FortressCraft".) < 1336741444 400463 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336741539 57448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like him, yeah < 1336741707 987317 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fortresscraft better? < 1336741727 616685 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks nicer < 1336741771 709230 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably would have bought minecraft if i had online money.. < 1336741774 101978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For bad values of "better".) < 1336741778 571285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially if you use Painterly on the Minecraft side.) < 1336741808 916680 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: TIME TO GO < 1336741815 298276 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not something i enjoy thinking about today because i just gave my mum all my money, and apparently have to visit both my grandmas for mothers day < 1336741884 484675 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the back of my mind with games like this im always telling myself i could do this better, and i could be richer from this, if only i was the one who did it < 1336742017 790547 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why are 500% more people registering at minecraft.net than buying the game!?! < 1336742224 185028 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: you need a thermometer because the point of sous vide is to keep the meat at a constant temperature for a long time < 1336742228 318568 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the inside reaches that temperature < 1336742276 963974 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to be a candy thermometer specifically < 1336742307 682359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you want like a couple °F precision, in the range 130°F to 140°F < 1336742324 754973 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap candy thermometer has these properties and can be found in a regular grocery store < 1336742435 976891 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life sucks in a first world problems kind of way. if only i could exploit the problems in my life for capitalist gain. < 1336742488 135991 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what < 1336742495 106592 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an electric hotplate < 1336742507 742525 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could arduino a sous vide automat < 1336742575 96637 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll totally do it once i can buy a power relay < 1336742609 492045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336742622 338656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relay is easy, you probably want feedback though < 1336742637 436937 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feedback is the thermometer < 1336742640 666547 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fagduino < 1336742661 181018 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to build a temperature controller for another project but i fried the thermocouple driver chip due to failure to read datasheet < 1336742664 591052 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it's not hard in principle < 1336742698 141603 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :could this be my unique chance to do something useful with a PID < 1336742721 159577 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was for soldering oven temperatures and so a thermocouple was probably the right answer < 1336742721 674529 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonders if fried the thermocouple almost counts as a pun in the topic of cooking < 1336742742 393895 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arduino.cc/playground/Code/PIDLibrary < 1336742745 843562 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336742753 160577 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"processing.org frontend" < 1336742762 65308 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i can create a sous vide visualization < 1336742769 124863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sous vide temperatures you could use a 1-wire temperature sensor like DS18B20 < 1336742774 810364 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and veejay it to remote places via direct isdn uplink < 1336742789 205388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on sparkfun it's only $10 in a sealed package: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11050 < 1336742789 383459 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know so much about electronics kmc < 1336742837 828017 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that will interface directly to any microcontroller < 1336742841 847278 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do this < 1336742845 134578 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1336742847 548153 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have the heating element too < 1336742848 584520 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for great glory < 1336742857 913347 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was dreading it because i forgot it would be much easier than the thermocouple thing < 1336742860 320415 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not make it work with a hotplate < 1336742891 233515 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this one suggests a rice cooker < 1336742907 905432 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotplate is easier, because more people have one and it's cheap and small < 1336742919 611950 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :more approachable for people < 1336742931 682470 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rice cooker is too small to hold multiple large steaks < 1336742934 439126 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rice cooker is a fairly specific utensil you normally don't have < 1336742935 821243 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1336742939 266923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll go for the beer cooler with the heating element i already have < 1336742950 291966 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, i was just going to say you could just use a big pot < 1336742951 431473 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which won't be enough to get it up to temp < 1336742951 774643 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1336742954 17380 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer cooler? < 1336742961 44326 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should keep it at temp < 1336742965 695482 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i will just fill it with hot water to start < 1336742976 141611 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be so sure < 1336742992 958953 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :from experience, heating stuff is a thing that either works or doesn't < 1336742995 368968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if "beer cooler" is the right term < 1336743006 53602 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like those insulated plastic bins you pack with ice and beer < 1336743010 720227 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to "give it a shove" < 1336743019 281941 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice chest? < 1336743033 244189 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336743046 379649 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1342596&cp=11925755.2614192 < 1336743060 423887 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336743105 12592 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice chest < 1336743124 863406 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yeah, just Rubbermaid® Victory Cooler < 1336743138 910440 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc, what do u think of my idea < 1336743151 719293 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking at alsa paints last night when i couldn't sleep < 1336743156 754380 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i noticed they have a rubberizing paint < 1336743164 245937 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: keyboard with rubberized keycaps? < 1336743175 182033 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like" or "Fail"? < 1336743197 414364 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to try it cheater < 1336743219 692428 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think so too < 1336743229 971289 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, rubberized knobs on equipment are the dog's bollocks < 1336743249 494402 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they use this paint for cutlery and other daily use stuff, so it's not something that'll wear off < 1336743292 202426 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these coolers are pretty well insulated so I think a small heater should suffice to maintain temperature < 1336743322 459329 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish they had ratings in watts per kelvin or whatever < 1336743342 49809 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice "pretty well insulated" still means if you have ice in it then it'll melt fairly quickly < 1336743359 990695 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a heater which can at least withstand the amount of energy being expelled < 1336743382 881605 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably very near to the heater that you need to heat it up in the first place < 1336743391 722654 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just buy a 10 bucks hotplate? < 1336743413 718464 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the rational choice < 1336743416 313747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that follows cheater < 1336743420 786503 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, we should write an article on rationalwiki < 1336743436 985743 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part can you not see the logical sequence of, kmc? < 1336743467 793715 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a bunch of water from 23°C to 57°C in an acceptable amount of time will take a much larger heater than keeping it at 57° in an insulated container < 1336743475 724955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1336743537 99366 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably right < 1336743544 196050 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna run the numbers, one sec < 1336743545 918169 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am not sure either way < 1336743551 716077 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there's physics < 1336743569 275704 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you measure the amount of heat being lost through the insulation? < 1336743582 682597 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will approximate it by the thermal conductivity of styrofoam < 1336743621 811222 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the area and thickness < 1336743631 378262 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the edges will be less conductive < 1336743736 72905 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say a cube 30 cm on a side with 3 cm styrofoam insulation < 1336743746 75373 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1336743759 928134 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :work your magic, carl < 1336743776 792606 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 0.54 m² surface area < 1336743825 607210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thermal conductivity of styrofoam is 0.03 W / (K * m) according to A Website < 1336743843 33742 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia < 1336743849 970006 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.03 W / (K * m) * 0.54 m² / 3 cm * (57 - 23) K < 1336743854 209125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := 18 watts < 1336743886 816828 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your heating element 18 watts < 1336743896 160770 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd double up on that < 1336743920 610667 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cheap hotplate is like 800 watts < 1336743927 623003 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1336743932 643749 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about my element < 1336743948 49099 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kmc < 1336743948 217579 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a small thing you put in a mug of water to make tea < 1336743950 525581 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me your element < 1336743954 641630 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1336743958 433093 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nudge nudge* < 1336743987 557624 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Travel-Immersion-Water-Heater-Voltage/dp/B000AXS0UE < 1336743993 83456 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heating immersion 125 watt coil quickly heats up water < 1336744004 263471 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am suggesting this is similar to your thing < 1336744023 406703 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER, you might be in for a problem < 1336744031 331162 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 125 W < 1336744038 52107 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1336744039 812935 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's exactly like that one < 1336744043 776700 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally oracled you < 1336744050 864254 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am you from the future < 1336744070 239989 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is in normal sous vide cooking, you're heating a hot plate which heats a pot which heats water which heats the meat < 1336744085 844694 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1336744096 960794 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of very sluggish heat capacitance < 1336744109 114953 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works like a low pass filter for heat < 1336744113 947369 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also spreads it evenly < 1336744120 75915 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you are heating water directly which heats the meat < 1336744124 902514 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might end up with a pocket of heat < 1336744138 376444 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not be advisable < 1336744172 446628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, the pot full of water is by far most of the thermal mass < 1336744178 654692 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336744183 650054 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1336744192 308826 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1336744197 125826 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sous vide you put a pot in a pot < 1336744198 159509 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1336744200 745907 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this cooler full of water will hold temperature fine < 1336744209 439157 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am i wrong here < 1336744212 31184 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might need something to circulate the water though < 1336744216 20105 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: not necessarily < 1336744224 650601 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought you might need the circulation < 1336744225 505180 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put food inside a bag inside a water bath < 1336744230 674136 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have you ever made sous vide before? < 1336744234 132117 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336744237 400424 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did sous vide steak twice < 1336744237 419060 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it good? < 1336744244 996133 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was delicious < 1336744252 406274 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the difference < 1336744256 885834 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did like 135°F for an hour < 1336744277 248964 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a foolproof way to get the exact level of rare / well-done you like < 1336744287 473431 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :an hour is not that long < 1336744291 830777 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not < 1336744293 971619 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the idea was to have it on very long < 1336744298 628553 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sous vide recipes are like 24 hours plus < 1336744303 808221 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for beef it's not necessary apparently < 1336744305 876739 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cooked steaks in a pot for an hour < 1336744308 810319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to get the inside up to temperature < 1336744314 96048 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with sauce < 1336744332 835842 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't know that < 1336744338 81906 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is 24 hours mandatory? < 1336744341 87127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1336744384 501826 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1336744389 618266 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no chef, i can barely cook kraft mac & cheese < 1336744398 841910 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the sous vide stuff seemed easy and fun and sciency < 1336744399 367365 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr < 1336744406 822034 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, steak comes natural to me too < 1336744416 855863 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go to restaurants and they never make it as good as i do < 1336744420 129332 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sous vde steak you do want to fry or grill it briefly < 1336744422 887291 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't cook for my life < 1336744425 642028 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336744428 780021 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sear < 1336744430 163322 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1336744430 337261 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the outside all burnt & crispy < 1336744431 63676 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336744438 990209 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a steel pan especially for steak < 1336744448 684643 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wouldn't do this candied steak in it < 1336744459 798984 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if a crème brûlée torch would work < 1336744462 900629 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to use a tefal pan because you gotta burn the mustard < 1336744470 567211 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it carmelizes < 1336744473 701526 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :caramelizes < 1336744474 365491 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1336744482 977934 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :creme brulee wouldn't work < 1336744488 708591 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the thing has to sear into the meat < 1336744497 860936 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i fry stuff in cast iron pans < 1336744520 727932 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i did was spread a 4 mm coat of that mustard on the cold pan where the steak would be < 1336744533 406471 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put the steak on that and put the pan on the heat < 1336744541 859289 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :waited until it started searing < 1336744546 30620 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oil or anything < 1336744552 57044 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336744603 432832 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i applied spices (lots of ginger, it disappears later on, lots of red pepper) and then put the mustard on the top (still raw side) < 1336744604 986578 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip once < 1336744619 575159 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sear the other side < 1336744625 89793 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first side looked really nice too < 1336744637 681911 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the mustard is carmelizing when it starts foaming up < 1336744695 935428 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mustard you want isn't the usual sour stuff, it should look like orange jelly, the kind you put on toast, but it tastes tart < 1336744739 335816 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1336744765 347077 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc do you know the difference between vector and superscalar? < 1336745107 480563 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in processors? < 1336745129 281275 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1336745130 658533 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that steak sounds really nice < 1336745134 278803 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out already tho < 1336745136 522162 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1336745142 433222 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was amazing < 1336745150 764786 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it several times now and it's always better < 1336745158 818092 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to perfect the recipe < 1336745169 201345 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i'll use much more ginger because it was like not there at all < 1336745240 581507 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ginger is good < 1336745242 516068 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe long pepper < 1336745245 456551 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever cook with szechuan pepper < 1336745253 421181 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of it < 1336745255 888781 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't fit < 1336745267 588891 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i have is too alkaline < 1336745273 882299 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lack of a better description < 1336745282 218178 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff is sweet and sour < 1336745287 944844 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitter < 1336745318 180724 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tried long pepper < 1336745328 197081 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of it until i found it at a christmas fair last year < 1336745363 405050 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say < 1336745366 510867 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter solstice fair < 1336745366 852733 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1336745539 5171 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: apparently ebay has a lot of ready pid controllers < 1336745545 915362 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just search for "temperature kiln" < 1336745773 116004 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1336745776 904848 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1336745797 197188 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow super cheap < 1336745835 773139 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the cheapest you found? < 1336745845 854724 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably build it myself though < 1336745864 250604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be a super easy build < 1336745878 27063 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would amuse me to have something that plugs into my laptop < 1336745896 47358 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pid that easy < 1336745899 370348 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a good excuse to learn some basic control theory < 1336745910 451726 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the learning is there for me too < 1336745915 649654 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incentive < 1336745927 624345 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool to see the temperature graph with the element on/off indications < 1336745930 661223 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in realtime < 1336745951 414014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.instructables.com/id/Segstick/ here's a fun build project, which includes some PID control < 1336745957 444159 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard realtime or soft realtime < 1336745964 168888 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol just soft < 1336745965 550773 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :*niggle* < 1336745966 415325 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for UI < 1336745976 967295 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just fucking with ya. < 1336745981 205740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_ you niggler < 1336746002 111482 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc you crackler < 1336746078 129492 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap crackle and php < 1336746432 856695 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336746487 885283 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? for some reason I have internationale on my touhou playlist... < 1336746878 149121 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny < 1336746884 816522 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning basic italian < 1336746889 823899 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can already understand some spanish < 1336746894 660413 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :those languages are closer than i thought < 1336746903 890476 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like polish and czech or latvian or russian < 1336746910 448653 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are pretty close themselves < 1336746937 554891 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like german and dutch < 1336747182 56744 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336747408 665636 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1336747412 141105 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_ Latcvia < 1336747420 560467 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_ Latvian isn't close to Slavic languages really < 1336747435 331815 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean Latvian vs. Lithuanian?" < 1336747437 64547 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are closer < 1336747600 120738 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i meant to polish < 1336747621 983820 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :;o < 1336747919 942450 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i might visit baltic states / eastern europe / etc this summer < 1336747923 388471 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere i should go or avoid? < 1336747932 867744 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336747936 146058 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :baltic states < 1336747937 904033 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :to both < 1336747966 637164 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more so to the latter < 1336747974 171395 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-105.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336747975 85072 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more < 1336748005 347503 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you will go to jail if you don't go to said baltic states, there's no reason to go there < 1336748023 735222 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :any amount of illness or misfortune is preferable < 1336748352 362206 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you figure out if Touch is good or bad yet < 1336748518 858054 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4567.html < 1336748899 604428 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: it's definitely very bad < 1336748902 880996 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also kind of interesting < 1336748917 166587 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not watching < 1336749057 320449 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math / science / philosophy is beyond nonsensical < 1336749061 681985 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i can suspend disbelief < 1336749085 289570 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not one of those people who will complain because a character says "centrifugal" instead of "centripetal", or that the Linux box looks more like a SunOS 2 machine < 1336749094 890954 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this show is really pushing it < 1336749114 29662 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like Numbers < 1336749125 591527 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far worse than NUMB3RS < 1336749139 124251 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the movie Pi except without the good writing or acting or directing < 1336749197 773219 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it reminds me of the trailer for The Numberwang Code < 1336749205 9033 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could never watch it < 1336749210 575830 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this kid writes a 6 on a piece of paper and everyone is like "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!??" < 1336749210 921858 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand Pi was amazing < 1336749224 300087 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means < 1336749226 714486 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUMBERWANG!!! < 1336749231 372442 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this other guy has a win-big hold 'em poker strategy which is based entirely on him memorizing a short sequence of small numbers < 1336749233 269263 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should really make a fictional film with 100% mathematical and scientific accuracy < 1336749243 994675 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same sequence which is also the key to life the universe and everything < 1336749260 607320 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also just make other shit up whenever it suits them < 1336749278 137234 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they decided that the ISS has regular blackout periods where they can't communicate with earth < 1336749281 964622 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you never had a situation like Pi in your life < 1336749282 617032 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it suits the plot < 1336749283 664104 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1336749295 249451 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting around in your flat for weeks not going out < 1336749298 949825 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacking away at some shit < 1336749304 928301 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you come out and everyone feels so alien < 1336749312 181452 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what pi is about < 1336749313 558309 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get kidnapped by orthodox jews < 1336749319 768576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you drill your brains out with a power drill and go to heaven < 1336749321 62055 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336749321 923635 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's happened to me < 1336749338 121619 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: i have experienced that... but to me it's not just people but the entire environment < 1336749338 810539 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one time i was riding the subway and found a bare human brain sitting on the platform < 1336749347 410894 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336749347 565361 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc ok then you know what i mean < 1336749353 766312 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: yeah, exactly < 1336749369 12451 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know that feeling... i don't particularly enjoy it < 1336749381 260124 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact i dread it < 1336749382 316610 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what else about Touch < 1336749396 765738 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are really unsubtle about the simplistic emotions you are supposed to experience while watching it < 1336749405 604818 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen pi thouhg < 1336749405 778208 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: it's weird alright < 1336749410 945984 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: you should < 1336749428 755986 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dialogue is terrible, a lot of it is just characters saying things they would never realistically say so that the audience is not confused < 1336749441 191721 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds like everything i hate about tv series < 1336749455 108105 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chea:so.. if the problem is gradually being identified maybe i can get a pill or therapy for it within a decade! < 1336749457 964682 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1336749461 564273 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: so.. if the problem is gradually being identified maybe i can get a pill or therapy for it within a decade! < 1336749474 189649 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do what the character did in the end < 1336749478 804284 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for him < 1336749485 186426 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a plan.. < 1336749489 145013 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly have a plan < 1336749494 724808 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you have a drill? < 1336749501 734860 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they had a blatant Magic Negro character but I guess i already complained about that < 1336749502 420081 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no < 1336749529 936395 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22 restate my assumptions: 1. kmc is a troll < 1336749533 901376 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336749540 632400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember 16:22 restate my assumptions: 1. kmc is a troll < 1336749540 833702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1336749558 620405 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: but you said he was hacking away at something... and you're saying this wasn't enough to save him < 1336749560 547758 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336749561 624330 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a concern < 1336749572 795741 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem that he didn't hack away good enough? < 1336749574 155899 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just watch the movie < 1336749581 50106 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he hacked to good < 1336749585 884061 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: no the problem is that he was too good < 1336749586 229412 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he totally disconnected < 1336749587 779337 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should watch it < 1336749589 849632 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was in the flow for too long < 1336749591 265889 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the zone < 1336749592 951072 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should watch Requiem for a Dream < 1336749614 2027 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was so deep into it he completely dissociated the real world < 1336749617 277656 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll probably want to die < 1336749626 799240 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna watch requiem < 1336749628 357504 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't < 1336749632 669598 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1336749634 959148 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really good film < 1336749635 304485 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i < 1336749638 69277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with good music < 1336749639 507905 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336749669 379188 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: what i have realized is that the problem i have centers around the whole idea of reflecting on past information with new information < 1336749679 52212 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unnecessarily < 1336749681 293977 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requiem.For.A.Dream.2000.720p.BluRay.x264-SiNNERS.mkv < 1336749686 642302 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the past information is just fine as it is < 1336749693 400212 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: no idea what you mean. < 1336749725 628280 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. like the focuses of an adult are different than those of a child < 1336749755 879283 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. after, lets say, spending too much time indoors and concentrating on certain ideas < 1336749772 105337 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then.. we have new perspectives with which to view our past < 1336749780 922388 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if these new perspectives are garbage < 1336749806 105909 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they < 1336749816 592424 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're depressing they are < 1336749818 350268 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized last year i don't hate buttermilk < 1336749823 176155 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did as a kid having never tried any < 1336749838 794831 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :because butter + milk = yech < 1336749841 64744 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new perspective wasn't garbage < 1336749903 999547 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets say.. activites we once enjoyed which we think are silly now < 1336749909 523519 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should they be silly? < 1336749933 357505 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1336749947 544427 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, isolation probably isn't good < 1336749957 123215 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isolation is hard to really escape < 1336750006 194278 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: hah.. heres the video i recommend for the protagonist of Pi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCnHWas3HQ < 1336750013 982604 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words are very telling < 1336750020 4731 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and easy to ignore < 1336750040 240817 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine this song in the context of Pi < 1336750092 618721 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it starts with violins droning and tuning < 1336750095 925755 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally hipster film < 1336750110 232985 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make a tshirt with a screencap < 1336750115 574658 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll get me the ladies < 1336750148 583030 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought this song was just an old-person song < 1336750386 490298 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you've got worries all the noise and the hurry seems to help, I know." < 1336750401 679762 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city." < 1336750466 270400 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's actually a good idea, from a psychiatric point of view < 1336750471 632315 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is it ok to be having three stakes < 1336750474 733634 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :steaks < 1336750475 449464 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a day < 1336750479 215219 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1336750487 318092 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna cook these two cuts with szechuan pepper < 1336750490 940674 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some german spice < 1336750504 737863 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1336750511 970432 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if szechuan pepper would go with steak < 1336750568 510663 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite dish at the local szechuan restaurant is called "spicy beef with cumin" < 1336750574 22981 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to describe its properties exactly < 1336750597 640476 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beef is fried in delicious batter or something < 1336750607 666463 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's super spicy and szechuan-peppery < 1336750641 845714 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fairy different from the spicy hunan beef with cumin that i find easily by google < 1336750647 211475 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: do you know how to make good currywurst sauce < 1336750661 445228 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing that heinz ketchup + curry powder is not ideal < 1336751037 791193 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1336751245 333085 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336751252 390952 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a specific very cheap ketchup < 1336751260 197419 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a lot of starch < 1336751271 921683 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1336751273 309825 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wrong < 1336751281 95724 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fairly watery and somewhat jelly like < 1336751282 654501 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sweet < 1336751360 860101 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as you know i am offended by the idea of currywurst < 1336751398 153995 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tip for authenticity < 1336751411 264045 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :all currywurst stands have a special currywurst cutter < 1336751417 643215 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a machine where you enter the currywurst at the top < 1336751444 441793 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it slices it into slices of random 1-2 cm thickness < 1336751465 542656 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is put on a rectangular paper tray < 1336751469 677222 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ketchup on top < 1336751476 609662 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then curry powder at your own leisure < 1336751505 581151 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course make sure those machines are Turing complete(well, unfortunately that's not possible unless we're talking virtual curryworst) < 1336751516 895941 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wurst < 1336751534 714152 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wurst, indeed < 1336751555 478342 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wurst is better < 1336751565 818084 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been cutting with knife < 1336751584 275437 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your description of the ketchup sounds like standard cheap american ketchup < 1336751589 661667 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for jelly-like < 1336751590 869191 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so this spice i just used, called bockhornkleesaat, seems to be relatively unknown < 1336751604 600366 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah the jelly like is just pedantism on my side, disregard < 1336751606 328090 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very watery < 1336751618 774022 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in germany currywurst is the food of the lowest classes < 1336751635 905500 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: well like salmon swimming against the current, it's easy to forget that relaxing with a bit of sport and a beer can be good for you < 1336751643 484110 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater_: it's related to fenugreek? < 1336751649 859692 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is fenugreek < 1336751650 884855 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bockhornkleesaat < 1336751652 273274 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336751652 291546 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it popular? < 1336751656 236800 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard of it < 1336751661 589727 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in every shop here < 1336751668 827953 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the hitlers use it for < 1336751676 246163 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those things you look at and have no idea < 1336751684 344305 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways it goes well with the szechuan pepper < 1336751688 562389 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's fairly alkaline too < 1336751691 489304 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some rosemary < 1336751703 32400 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fenugreek seeds or fenugreek leaves? < 1336751715 970370 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :seed < 1336751720 628797 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1336751726 604041 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ground < 1336752306 852117 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336752319 605802 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see two kids shlepping a tv across the city < 1336752321 154448 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1336752346 22167 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'll tell kmc i see two kids shlepping a tv across the city, and that they probably want to use it to make drugs" < 1336752351 509865 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they start talking about making drugs < 1336752356 236028 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolo < 1336752371 305251 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1336752378 747487 :cheater_!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1336752418 71420 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1336752461 298992 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1336752465 453430 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an emoquit < 1336753368 698063 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-226-166.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336753417 54646 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-233-179.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1336753580 841453 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.90.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336754003 937574 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336754036 383655 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336754036 440347 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336754036 440485 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336754127 502850 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336754127 521111 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336754127 521242 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336754193 668791 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1336754355 531412 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336755140 939763 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Narrative&diff=cur&oldid=488999882 < 1336755716 930551 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1336755717 68878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1336755739 891744 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bacon < 1336755740 20961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1336755743 856539 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1336755836 289216 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Living witout X has been very easy. It is actually easier for me than living with X < 1336755836 982988 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://lh6.ggpht.com/-DIU4wNe0EpY/T6DHvL3l0lI/AAAAAAAAWps/utau6yOyKt0/02-Desktop3%25255B5%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800 < 1336755853 209004 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is alternative to X? < 1336755858 380472 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs11 < 1336755864 760384 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggsorg < 1336755875 274658 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, what are you using in place of X? < 1336755879 67611 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: framebuffer and console apps < 1336755891 678913 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :framebuffer? < 1336755912 565570 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: I am also trying to get ManaGeR to compile (it was designed for Linux 1.x) < 1336755929 677040 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of thing is framebuffer? < 1336755937 265855 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: linux framebbuffer, also known as fbdev < 1336755971 989630 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i recently ranted about how gui is bad < 1336755973 716637 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1336755989 59042 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you are living the truth < 1336756000 466421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ManaGeR < 1336756017 368876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: it makes possible larger virtual consoles and with it I can use simple graphics in virtual consoles (I use links2 and mplayer with framebuffer) < 1336756066 830884 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: very old GUI combining Graphics server, WM and terminal emulator in sama package < 1336756071 737015 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336756083 545445 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: the main point of my rant was that windows are not as useful as they propose to be < 1336756099 57855 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: where can I read your rant? < 1336756113 18081 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh.. it was short... and i didnt complete it but i will find it < 1336756113 539738 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: http://conal.net/blog/posts/tangible-functional-programming-a-modern-marriage-of-usability-and-composability < 1336756132 858738 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. just need to remember what words i used :D < 1336756167 201997 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus multi tasking < 1336756200 721652 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336756204 279367 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus multi tasking < 1336756218 788822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336756224 752981 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus multi < 1336756226 993407 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]tidus multitasking < 1336756239 993021 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336756240 11281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1336756255 977130 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres probably a good explanation for this.. but i will just find it < 1336756336 65534 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-05-09#155943itidus21 < 1336756354 151335 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case for a few pages i ramble about some of these things < 1336756428 191640 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i didn't fully flesh out my ideas. < 1336756452 952630 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, the gui systems were rushed to market without any real thought < 1336756512 174213 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly there is no good reason for why you even need multiple windows. < 1336756573 915193 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what we see is that browsers adopt the purely tabbed model... this is how operating systems should really have been < 1336756592 94601 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: do you mean multiple windows as in many windows on screen at the same time or multiple output buffers < 1336756619 130964 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many windows on screen... it's just pointless < 1336756642 993081 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i would feel lost without it. and i would feel greatly deprived of something < 1336756647 383656 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1336756734 878948 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to have two terminals next to each other < 1336756739 361743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each occupying half the screen < 1336756753 843370 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do this with screen or emacs instead of X, but that's pretty arbitrary < 1336756755 392053 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe fixed window shapes is a good idea < 1336756761 612522 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like to have a browser next to a terminal < 1336756766 653453 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: I thought the same way before I removed X. Now I see no reason to have more than 2 windows on screen at a time < 1336756783 122760 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 windows = like a codex :D < 1336756787 944421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlapping windows are almost useless though < 1336756811 284054 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use them when i don't want to fight with xmonad's primitive and clunky notion of layout < 1336756819 561036 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on windows xp though < 1336756836 486576 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overlapping windows is thrusted down upon me < 1336756864 727011 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, perhaps as a sign of my latent intelligence i have dared to question it < 1336756872 330613 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: I tend to use two viewports and swapping windows in and out using gnu screen. I honestly don't see why would anyone need more than two tiled windows < 1336756888 954650 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: depends how big your monitor is < 1336756895 342415 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it seems that 2 windows is like when you fold open a book. < 1336756900 855112 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the left page and right page < 1336756907 447988 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a widescreen monitor that would fit three 80-column terminals side by side < 1336756910 397077 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is useful < 1336756977 577055 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps 1 window is "not enough" < 1336756990 713677 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a widescreen.. 1 window would feel a bit silly < 1336756994 162239 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its begging for 2 < 1336757079 953785 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a nice setup is two widescreen monitors, one landscape and one portrait < 1336757121 37049 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind if an application has subwindows etc < 1336757137 519919 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres no reason for the top level to have subwindows < 1336757154 244783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to see two applications at once? < 1336757169 592200 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :web browser for docs + terminal for code editor < 1336757170 454212 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's great for something like photoshop or flash to have lots of little windows < 1336757236 967609 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember that when i was using dos.. i never thought "geez i wish i had multiple apps at one time < 1336757283 380535 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i admit that theres good reasons for things < 1336757294 592217 :qfr!~kafir@unaffiliated/yw PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://images.4chan.org/mu/src/1336752176872.png pic related < 1336757354 736953 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qfr++ < 1336757364 621045 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: real hackers < 1336757490 341596 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides powerdrills from the real nef
< 1336757667 503272 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no.. i am sort of nef < 1336757714 256763 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he has a gf and a laptop < 1336757810 933721 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nef uses shubshub caps < 1336758048 373973 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't quite put a finger on it but i would like to see a form of programming which is [stops to think] ahh humm < 1336758094 132872 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the most extreme form of compiler/interpreter writing? perhaps if you wrote the compiler/interpreter only and the computer generated code? < 1336758102 261264 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source code < 1336758102 428295 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1336758129 543257 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1336758138 272597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: the most extreme form is to BUILD IT OUT OF K'NEX PIECES < 1336758149 759177 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought fungot was a human for a moment there < 1336758149 937097 :fungot!~fungot@a91-152-37-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: should be!... ' ed? riastradh, don't have the time < 1336758188 805998 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word extreme was not illustrative on my part < 1336758234 576673 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if writing source code is about following rules then writing compilers/interpreters is about creating rules < 1336758269 959963 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you always need one to create the other eh < 1336758342 551853 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do i have in mind? < 1336758359 825321 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BASIC of compiler compilers < 1336758395 2737 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets have 10 year olds writing compilers day in day out < 1336758408 801075 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336758410 353715 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop pretending it's so hard to do < 1336758411 556991 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what the world needs is more programming languages designed by ignorant amateurs < 1336758417 95473 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1336758420 78254 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a few < 1336758424 42339 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions < 1336758429 43783 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all designing a programming language is just a matter of picking symbols that look nice < 1336758470 932703 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly though it is cool to show people that compilers aren't magic, here's how they work < 1336758481 447373 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your compiler construction kit may or may not demonstrate that < 1336758493 784078 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with my nef project is < 1336758515 949978 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that simply having a compiler is not much use on it's own < 1336758568 416694 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no real reason for kids to even want their own compilers < 1336758606 103674 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since their languages will be trashy like a good 30 line BASIC program < 1336758784 456463 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am calling it nef because it is the nef side of me which would propose such a thing even though i am ignorant on so many related fields < 1336758867 583201 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really have this whole contempt for compilers < 1336758911 94485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336759359 725697 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poet in me can explain the issue < 1336759431 483051 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an ocean beach looking at the horizon, the wise man realizes he cannot swim as far as the horizon extends < 1336759520 155978 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: its called an intrusive r < 1336759522 915159 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fool is thinking, whether 50 yards or to the extent of the horizon swimming is swimming. < 1336759557 108916 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: many british english dialects are "non-rhotic" which means that final r's, especially after an "uh" like sound, are not pronounced < 1336759588 187245 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336759605 252897 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a consequence, it's not uncommon for some of those dialects to over-analyze words ending in "uh" as actually being words that end in r, which has been deleted because of that deletion rule < 1336759605 769428 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite know what i am describing... another way to say it is that, it is not until one has learned to drive that one can appreciate the skills of a master of driving < 1336759646 886846 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: but, when this final r is between words, it can emerge because it's not strictly final, at least not over the whole utterance < 1336759653 259271 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. it is not until one has learned to make and place a brick, that one realizes he cannot build the tower of babel < 1336759655 901433 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like liaison in french < 1336759761 651362 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like everyone who has done their 10,000 hours in some field probably has a good instinctive intuitive feel of what is truely challenging and what is not < 1336759836 237720 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336759844 742967 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART :#esoteric < 1336759966 851539 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. like for the author.. the joy of "i wrote a novel" versus the ideal of "i solved novel writing mathematically" < 1336760175 755434 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: actually I have two windows which are up and down windows. not leaft and right < 1336760251 652199 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is my main confusion in lambda calculus.. looking for some magical summary of what LC can do beyond it's stated rules < 1336760325 360864 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh.. with arithmetic there are instances of numbers around me everyday < 1336760347 829415 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives me a fair idea of how big the numbers are i can expect to worry about day to day < 1336760361 103870 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus22: my setup if following: tty1:links, tty2:irssi, tty3:gnu screen, tty4:hammer and sicle, uptime, free, who and df < 1336760402 31251 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with LC.. there is no exhibits < 1336760479 361806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it can do is all computations < 1336760518 856696 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. like.. you see.. should i think of computations as in the kind of apps i have on my pc? < 1336760550 642007 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like.. uh.. astronomy we tend to focus on local solar system < 1336760758 121302 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should let it go < 1336761049 463461 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of amazed this works: http://i.imgur.com/6QpIO.png < 1336762197 256994 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i like best about them paddy chicks kmc < 1336762198 848868 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aewf < 1336762199 76429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 19 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1336762283 806347 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-179.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336762434 267130 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-227-105.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336762477 395142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336762512 506441 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ kmc < 1336762518 36402 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm finishing this movie < 1336762533 402425 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's another 20 minutes and i don't know if i can make it < 1336762562 269182 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1336762710 183267 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336762715 162976 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336762821 354626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1336762821 576172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1336762831 301205 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been to THE THEATRE < 1336762836 575666 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not quite the theatre < 1336762871 127252 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually AS level drama exam < 1336762871 312725 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the dictionary to compile: "to translate (a computer program) from a high-level language into another language, usually machine language, using a compiler. " < 1336762874 759611 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1336762877 871857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott because it's "genetic BSD", as in based on the codebase, and that codebase has already been cleared by a court case settlement with the original authors of UNIX < 1336762878 28460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336762962 506875 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1336762962 564136 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-120.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1336762962 564295 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1336763175 421583 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336763254 715359 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw Clockwork Orange, Trojan Women, and Abagail's Party < 1336763336 711116 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1336763337 401747 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1336763343 284310 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have finished the movie < 1336763351 370040 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no redeeming value in it for me < 1336763425 934395 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think perhaps it would be a shocker and eye opener for a typical ivy league student who has been sheltered all its life < 1336763464 399048 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way i see how it could be of value to someone else < 1336763469 227265 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1336763510 953357 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a fairly pointless use of time and emotional wear for me < 1336763584 230316 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336763608 333901 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is "genetic BSD"? < 1336763653 905403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "genetic UNIX" refers to something that's UNIX-like because it's actually based on the codebase of the original UNIX, indirectly, rather than attempting to copy it like Linux < 1336763667 701492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :original-UNIX has been continually deformed into OS X < 1336763842 547281 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for example is v7/x86 "genetic UNIX"? < 1336763861 736816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: anything that contains code from original UNIX < 1336763875 224513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much all Unix-likes are apart from Linux < 1336763912 800711 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is Minix. < 1336763915 389308 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even BSDs even thought they don't contain original unix surce? < 1336763931 38140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what makes you think they don't contain original unix source? < 1336763938 304114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD wasn't rewritten from scratch, it was a fork < 1336764003 771499 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because they couldn't have released it under BSD license if it still had original unix source code (see 4.2BSD Net/2) < 1336764023 953392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: there was a court settlement < 1336764039 726025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which confirmed that the licensing was OK < 1336764119 572041 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Novell bought the rights, and then settled. < 1336764139 223303 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it confirmed they didn't have code that was property of USL. There were five files that couldn't be released under BSD license but those were written from scratch on other BSD forks < 1336764154 863604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we seem to have different memories of UNIX history < 1336764156 259851 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The settlement leaked in 2004: basically, BSD was in the clear if they rewrote a small handful of bits that they didn't already rewrite. < 1336764178 649832 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The other bits simply *happened* to have already been rewritten from the fork. < 1336764199 635294 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that was called 4.4BSD-lite < 1336764215 40178 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes it was. < 1336764227 354268 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Net/2 lacked those five files that were needed < 1336764279 84823 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: those were written from scratch on 386BSD project < 1336764321 702557 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yes... < 1336764346 181190 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is a fork of UNIX but open source versions no longer contain original UNIX source < 1336764368 838483 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Linux no longer contains original v0.1 Linux source; your point? :) < 1336764378 145238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336764421 267819 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my point is that BSD contains no original UNIX source code which ais523 said it contained < 1336764433 697240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it contained it at the time it implemented the API, though < 1336764439 54477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still contains the same API < 1336764440 88535 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still genetic UNIX. < 1336764508 570593 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it wasn't genetic unix, I just said it no longer contain original unix source < 1336764510 332603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a philosophical debate < 1336764514 8320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336764524 298100 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: why < 1336764528 287022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1336764534 746952 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you replace every plank on a ship one-by-one as they rot, then by the time you have replaced them all, is it the same ship?: < 1336764567 830584 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'd say no < 1336764587 772866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say yes < 1336764588 180017 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Congrats, you are not the same person as the one called "nortti" two years ago. < 1336764604 85763 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i'd dissolve the question. identity is a silly man-made thing. < 1336764610 686436 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia++ < 1336764632 788817 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you are right. I am not < 1336764645 654457 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-152-179.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336764675 869203 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ballsy. < 1336764725 36912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with nortti. we are not the same people we were then. however, i think that is true regardless of the philosophical question < 1336764740 327632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know those philosophical things < 1336764835 109768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, i believe, if anything, i have a higher informational content than i did two years ago. the things i've forgotten left compressed remnants of themselves that interact in strange ways with the things i remember < 1336764850 69305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and i probably weigh a bit more >.> < 1336765095 950681 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shachaf < 1336765125 416799 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1336765245 953414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all the iron atoms in some car are instantly switched with the equal amount of iron from something else, is it the same car? < 1336765257 726151 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336765266 241632 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with yes < 1336765269 625349 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1336765282 908725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say the answer is no. < 1336765303 545852 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary < 1336765305 791387 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming they are also all in the same place, because you said switched) < 1336765319 96314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that modern physics seems to provide evidence for my opinion. < 1336765331 192242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: physics says your question is meaningless < 1336765336 624787 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336765343 174381 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the theory that there's only one electron in the universe, it's bouncing back and forth between the beginning and end of time, and when it's going backwards it's a positron < 1336765356 56196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feynman is one crazy guy eh? < 1336765387 866334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Newtonian physics may, but with such new thing as quantum entanglement and wavefunctions and uncertainty and all that stuff, we cannot say it is definitely the same thing. < 1336765389 81964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he really gets the point across that electrons are not only indistinguishable by anything except position/momentum < 1336765390 529452 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, feynman is every crazy guy. He's going back and forth in the universe, and when he's going backwards he's a vicar < 1336765409 608887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really worth distinguishing in many cases < 1336765432 553549 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: quantum physics says your question is meaningless < 1336765449 264217 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1336765460 96337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum physics says it doesn't make sense to talk about "switching particles with one another" < 1336765492 162075 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, because you couldn't(you could never get their exact location) < 1336765552 358794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Exactly, it is what I mean by that the mathematics has no way to represent it is, therefore, their exact location doesn't have and if they are switched, you have to antisymmetry (or symmetry) to subtract the states to figure out the result which should be zero if in fact they are the same, but even in that case, uncertainty and entanglement is possible. < 1336765599 116787 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying that the car would fall apart? < 1336765629 448890 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might exist for a very short timespan < 1336765631 858239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you understand what "entanglement" is? do you understand where exactly the uncertainty arises? < 1336765634 102934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! But I am also saying that you cannot consider space/time like this. It is all relative and space and time are together rather than separate, too. < 1336765663 702529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes I know how to write down the state vectors for an entangled state and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and those things to some degree. < 1336765684 715103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might fall apart; everything is possible. < 1336765694 395075 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-119-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336765697 923367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything < 1336765704 6450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftl communication is not < 1336765715 463282 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: with falling apart I mean falling apart in energy < 1336765724 273229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not what I meant by what I have said < 1336765768 655219 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if some atoms(or smaller particles) would be in an incorrect position, the whole thing would become unstable? < 1336765772 794441 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have to go < 1336765773 480557 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1336765774 180180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: O, you mean in energy. Well, I have not calculated the amount of energy it has, and I only know the Newtonian energy anyways, which is different from this energy < 1336765802 610072 :AnotherTest!~Test@94-224-27-107.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1336765817 124285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: But, yes, tat would be the case; however, that is not what I meant; when I said I meant they would switch exact (as far as it is meaningful) position < 1336765830 953113 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did we get to this from unix? < 1336765912 750153 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By way of philosophy. < 1336766254 11648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-87.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1336766495 187295 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@85.162.90.89 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336767432 697563 :mrdragons!~em@91.222.36.179 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1336768739 947419 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.172 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336769376 144934 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1336769383 384596 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you subject me to that crappy movie < 1336769383 562361 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater < 1336769389 590412 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for spite < 1336769392 8791 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like watching days go by < 1336769476 632827 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336769476 651663 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that tv series? < 1336769476 667387 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :life goes on < 1336769968 215724 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing with me kmc < 1336769972 596743 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ob la di, ob la da < 1336769977 521337 :cheater!~cheater@g231044016.adsl.alicedsl.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :life goes oooh-oon < 1336770292 450359 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :♬♩♫♪ < 1336770453 198640 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1336770475 643501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the icon belonging to a window something that X tracks? or is it tracked at a different level (e.g. window manager or dbus)? < 1336770544 313629 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is "no, yes" < 1336770550 74987 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1336770604 117812 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1336770701 752576 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run xprop and click a Firefox window you'll see a nice big firefox icon in your terminal < 1336772255 605815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-2.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336772402 234064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell augur Thanks for the explanation. :-) < 1336772402 387090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1336772415 497605 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-255-109.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336772752 406646 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1336772795 114383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's remove human from endangered species list; the population is too much < 1336772881 540058 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131EC1.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336773401 134972 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1336773740 655561 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: keegan < 1336773766 280464 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://i.imgur.com/6QpIO.png < 1336773792 739353 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1336773850 396979 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I used to more or less be able to read Arabic. :-( < 1336773964 244314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's Haskell. < 1336773976 321736 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw fancy characters and immediately assumed it was Agda. < 1336774056 399028 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1336774060 184219 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1336774078 421452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the bidi algorithm is particularly bad for source code < 1336774082 559220 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that "n = n" is a LTR span < 1336774100 111398 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if those were two different variable names, the argument would be the one further from the function name < 1336774147 186789 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't write code in RTL languages. :-( < 1336774151 474685 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably should be just short RTL spans for single words. < 1336774163 162898 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What were you doing in Boston? < 1336774163 217523 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and longer ones for strings and comments, i suppose < 1336774190 80096 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually have a good intuitive model of the standard bidi algorithm. < 1336774190 766709 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd want a syntactically aware text editor for handling RTL code. < 1336774198 355959 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that using non-English languages in code is evil, so there should be electric shocks for doing that. < 1336774211 777328 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had cases where I had a URL with LTR and RTL characters and I just *couldn't* put my cursor where I wanted. < 1336774214 874701 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter what I tried. < 1336774222 477940 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bidi algorithm spans a single syntactic entity. e.g. a name, a single string, or a single comment. < 1336774229 222323 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The least painful solution ended up being deleting a large chunk of it and typing it from scratch. < 1336774251 989878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way is to require all program codes to be ASCII. It is also possible to write all URLs in ASCII, too. < 1336774295 652184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-2.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Most code is written in straight ASCII, so hey. < 1336774296 338673 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Another way is to kill anyone who speaks non-English languages. < 1336774305 501129 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LETS REQUIRE ALL PROGRAM CODES TO CONSIST OF CAPITAL LETTERS NUMBERS AND SPACES < 1336774320 169392 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: kmc's opinion of you is going to be about the same with either of those ways! < 1336774368 699850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, text strings and comments would still be permitted to contain non-ASCII texts < 1336774456 875277 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, you live in Boston. < 1336774469 449720 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot about that.
< 1336774572 421544 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336775108 823321 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131EC1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1336775172 708076 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1336775178 649919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1507 < 1336775656 992780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1336776474 780655 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336776476 345484 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336776477 550437 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336776478 585843 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336776479 796375 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1336776485 649517 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :753) fizzie: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord < 1336776488 552131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :853) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1336776491 611077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. < 1336776504 716087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :775) [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. < 1336776505 44121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :321) haha, god made one helluva blunder there :DS "WHOOPS HE AIN'T DEAD YET!" "luckily no one will believe him because christians are such annoying retards" < 1336777083 624455 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You should delete 600. < 1336777155 163271 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 600 < 1336777157 824281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. < 1336777173 159321 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thortti < 1336777379 719492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play E Card? < 1336777587 511114 :nortti!~androirc@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client Sucks @$$( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1336777669 802263 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1336777735 523531 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1336778001 68098 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336778460 271811 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-138-118.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1336778666 448750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-2.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1336778774 809809 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I find out whether I can play E Card? < 1336778805 239711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can tell you how it is played. < 1336778916 51179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is played by two players, the owner and challenger. < 1336779011 652780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three kind of cards: Emperor, Citizen, and Slave. Emperor beats Citizen, Citizen beats Slave, and Slave beats Emperor. (If you prefer, you can use Pokemon cards: leaf energy card beats water energy card, water energy card beats fire energy card, and fire energy card beats leaf energy card.) < 1336779118 267337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first, owner has four Citizen and one Slave, and challenger has four Citizen and one Emperor. Three rounds are played this way, and then it is switch so that challenger has Slave instead, again for three rounds. And then this is repeated three time both ways for a total of twelve rounds. < 1336779188 431310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The player with the Emperor card plays a card face-down, and then the player with Slave plays a card face-down. If both are Citizens, then they are discarded and the player holding the Slave card plays first this time. It alternates until one player wins or loses. < 1336779282 245103 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1336779299 164477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not permitted to just select a card at random; you are required to decide which card to play (I am unsure how they can enforce this rule). In addition, both players have a five minute time limit to select a card. < 1336779361 236665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the game starts, a drill is screwed onto one of the challenger's ears, 3 cm from the eardrum. < 1336779541 439476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before each round, the challenger makes a bet in millimetres. After the cards are played, if the challenger loses then the drill is moved that distance (the eardrum is destroyed if the distance between it and the drill is reduced to zero). If the challenger wins while playing the Emperor's side, he wins 100000 yen per mm bet. If the challenger wins with the Slave's side, he wins 500000 yen per mm bet. < 1336779580 254668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end, the drill is removed and he gets to keep the money, regardless of whether or not his ear has been destroyed. < 1336779600 535239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the rules. OK????? < 1336779654 460942 :derdon!~derdon@p4FD95AFE.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1336779890 146541 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-19-178.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: np < 1336780362 285702 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1336780624 764185 :Patashu!Patashu@c122-106-155-219.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds