00:00:12 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:04:43 -!- david_werecat has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:04:59 -!- nortti_ has quit. 00:08:56 -!- david_werecat has joined. 00:13:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:13:54 -!- augur has joined. 00:23:04 -!- nys has joined. 00:43:39 -!- nooga has joined. 00:46:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:54:04 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:25:26 Patashu: hey 01:25:36 sup? 01:25:42 Patashu: do you wanna see what a scroll of acquirement gave me after under 4000 turns of play in crawl light 01:25:47 p - the +23 crystal plate mail of Inaction (worn) {rPois Acc+2 Dam+2} 01:25:48 sure 01:25:50 wtf 01:25:51 plus 01:25:51 fucking 01:25:52 23 01:25:54 yes 01:26:01 what is your ac in it 01:26:16 iirc st_ got a pretty good artefact cpa the other day in regular crawl too 01:26:17 my AC is 54, along with my +1 helmet and +0 cloak and +0 boots 01:26:21 maybe it was someone else thouugh 01:26:33 and it might hav been on a robin 01:26:41 (crawl light doesn't buff acquirement or whatever (except that you can see what you'll get before deciding so i didn't just say "hey gimme armour")) 01:26:54 that's actually a real big acq buff 01:26:59 yeah it is but i mean 01:27:02 it doesn't buff the actual generation 01:27:05 right 01:32:10 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:33:47 Patashu: my EV only just now hit 6 though 01:34:00 not that it matters for you at the moment 01:34:18 _You see here a serpentine rune of Zot. 01:34:18 _You can't carry that many items. 01:34:32 remember how runes used to be actual items that you carried in your inventory 01:34:35 me too 01:35:08 Patashu: also I just got my first rune \o/ 01:35:08 | 01:35:08 |\ 01:35:08 ever 01:35:10 oh wait 01:35:12 i just pasted that here 01:35:12 oops 01:35:16 in crawl light? 01:35:18 or in crawl 01:35:24 Light, but "Light" doesn't mean "easier" 01:35:31 i'm actually playing on 01:35:32 ~hard mode~ 01:35:40 Light just means "no hunger and no curses and no stupid identification game" 01:35:48 and i'm playing DD because i also want "no regen over time" 01:35:49 it's lovely 01:36:02 what's ~hard mode~ like 01:36:06 you're not playing on hard mode 01:36:19 monqy: yes i am! 01:36:20 you're playing on medium mode. hasn't hard mode not been fully implemented yet? 01:36:20 i opened the pandoora 01:36:23 well ok 01:36:24 but it's 01:36:29 you only opened the first pandoora! 01:36:31 harder than the baseline mode 01:36:36 yes sure 01:36:36 monqy: i'm going to open the second!!! 01:36:37 what is this 01:36:41 pandoora is a door 01:36:44 when you open it the game gets harder 01:36:47 it's a light thing 01:36:51 ok 01:36:52 where is it 01:36:56 where's what 01:37:05 pandoora 01:37:06 the portal to the first pandoora is randomly generated 01:37:11 second pandoora is at the end of the hive if you opened the first pandoora 01:37:14 (which makes hive harder) 01:39:40 Patashu: if you want to see pandoora-hive you can watch me i'll probably go there next 01:40:05 ok 01:40:49 02:40 easymode hive has PHAT LOOT liek swords or books or someting 01:40:49 02:40 if you open the first pandoora, hive will only have potions and the second pandoora when dtsund implements it 01:40:49 02:40 but as of now all it is is a normal stone soup hive 01:40:52 ok it probably won't be that interesting 01:40:57 Patashu: oh it's telnet light.bitprayer.com 01:41:38 18:41:05 < quairlzr> Satonakaja: you missed it 01:41:39 18:41:10 < quairlzr> both doors are in now 01:41:49 right 01:41:49 ok 01:48:06 Patashu: help 01:48:15 i accidentally read tele and now i'm trapped by deep water 01:48:22 and reading tele again just put me in the same place 01:48:25 disint the wax 01:48:27 or fire it 01:48:36 you have wands right 01:48:40 i have digging 01:48:43 wouldn't that be better 01:48:56 or you can use digging to get around the water if that isn't the level boundary 01:48:59 digging doesn't cut wax 01:49:01 disint and fire do 01:49:02 oh 01:49:12 wow nice 01:49:54 another exec axe???? 01:50:12 eh 01:50:15 i guess what i have is better 01:50:34 I like the glow meter 01:50:38 that's something normal crawl needs 01:50:45 or wait 01:50:47 isn't it different in crawl light 01:50:48 glow is the berk penalty 01:51:00 You open the killer bee like a pillowcase!!! 01:51:02 mmm 01:51:17 yay 01:51:20 a less shitty anti-magic axe 01:51:50 hive looks pretty 01:51:51 wow i see why they removed hive 01:51:51 Patashu: light uses glow instead of food for spell/invo/evo/etc costs so it's more important to have precise glow information 01:51:52 I want to say trivial 01:51:53 but dumb 01:51:59 yeah i think they removed hive because it was too easy 01:52:00 and gave tons of loot 01:52:12 and because it's just boring 01:52:20 a level full of bees and only bees, "seriously?" 01:52:29 bee warrior 01:52:31 bee mage 01:52:36 bees knees 01:52:39 a unique bee 01:52:46 maybe i should like 01:52:49 a bee with 100 speed, haste and swiftness 01:52:53 actually enchant some stuff some da 01:52:54 *day 01:53:24 don't bother ehcnating stuff you're not going to use; you aren't in any shortage of ac/whatever 01:53:30 i meant 01:53:32 weapons 01:53:47 you're fine off with what you have there too 01:53:51 for now at least 01:54:03 and you might find something really cool like a vampiric axe 01:54:09 _Found the -5 chain mail of Agoraphobia {+Inv Acc+3}. 01:54:12 unrandarts are weird 01:54:36 so uh 01:54:37 where's the pandoora 01:55:02 idk 01:55:04 Xmap it? 01:55:17 try the far left 01:55:28 lol 01:55:29 either a secret door or you can burn/disint it 01:56:03 or dig it since it's rock 01:56:10 (is it rock? 01:56:13 rock 01:56:17 oh unnatural rock 01:56:21 dig the soft rock 01:56:29 maybe you will find a door 01:56:29 where 01:56:38 the rock that's not listed as unnaturally hard 01:56:41 use digging on it 01:56:58 what rock 01:57:17 there is none 01:57:51 below you? 01:58:21 02:58 that's a bee castle 01:58:28 Patashu: not hive 01:58:29 bee castle 01:58:59 fort ludios 01:59:00 but with bees 01:59:36 no hunger, right? 01:59:40 grind a teletrap until you tele past it? 01:59:45 "fun" 01:59:50 heh 02:01:20 Patashu: oh it actually is 02:01:22 nethacky 02:01:25 NAME: bee_castle_nethack 02:01:28 haha 02:01:30 it's nethack's castle 02:01:31 but with bees 02:02:37 terrible 02:02:49 Patashu: join #crawllight btw 02:02:52 if you want to see the 02:02:54 ~figuring out process~ 02:11:07 18:59:40 < Patashu> grind a teletrap until you tele past it? 02:11:15 there's no_tele_into 02:23:32 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:28:17 -!- ion has joined. 02:33:30 -!- david_werecat has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:22:53 -!- itidus20 has joined. 03:27:29 -!- itidus21 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:55:31 kmc: Does "heard" even have any vowels? 03:59:30 h-schwa-r-d 03:59:38 ? 04:00:01 no...it's got vowels...sorry 04:00:34 Oh...you were taking to someone else...sorry. 05:15:52 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:16:12 Is that really a schwa? 05:17:20 it's close 05:19:21 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 05:31:13 -!- itidus22 has joined. 05:34:56 -!- itidus20 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:01:44 -!- augur has joined. 06:16:39 -!- Patashu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:16:59 -!- Patashu has joined. 06:25:37 -!- asiekierka has joined. 06:27:40 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 06:31:02 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:31:26 Patashu: how do you kill boris 06:31:51 use silence and tab him 06:32:16 oh i have silence 06:32:16 neat 06:54:44 elliott, how do you pronounce the name of the letter z? 06:54:54 zed or zee "it depends" 06:55:07 zoo 06:55:16 I have not even heard of it being pronounced zed until a few minutes ago 06:55:22 zed is the standard british pronunciation 06:55:23 Reading some Internet Oracularities 06:58:32 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 06:58:32 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:06:00 -!- impomatic has joined. 07:13:06 ...And I call myself a Stargate Atlantis fan 07:27:53 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: http://retroprogramming.com). 07:28:25 The Internet Oracle is a few months younger than I am 07:29:31 The "zee/zed" thing stops me from using x and y as variables. :-( 07:29:39 I'm always nervous. What if z comes next?! 07:30:24 And then after z it's a real problem. 07:30:27 What do you use, w? 07:30:33 w is my least favorite English letter, by the way. 07:46:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:55:09 -!- itidus20 has joined. 07:58:54 -!- itidus22 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:02:22 Patashu: you should help me not die 08:02:26 in a more helpful manner than monqy 08:02:49 Patashu: you wouldn't believe how hard it was to get elliott to use a vamp battleaxe on a ddbe!! 08:02:57 haha 08:03:06 :( 08:03:07 elliott: Can I help you not die? 08:03:40 Patashu: i'm dying lots because of hell fiends and other nasty things 08:03:43 by dying i mean 08:03:43 losing hp 08:03:59 also i have four runes 08:04:00 in fact 08:04:04 i think i'm carrying three of them 08:04:11 yes, i am 08:04:15 monqy: should i be carrying these runes 08:04:24 no they're wasted inventory space 08:04:30 stash them or something once you get a chance 08:05:24 ok so uh 08:05:29 i guess i won't bother with elf:3 08:05:34 Patashu: how scary is zot:1 08:06:12 that depends 08:06:14 compared to what 08:06:18 idk 08:06:20 anything 08:06:23 elliott's char is op so it should be easy 08:06:26 vaults:8 except 08:06:29 vaults:5 in light 08:06:35 monqy: but 08:06:35 demons 08:06:37 and fire blasts 08:06:38 and stuff 08:06:51 I think zot:1 is easier than vaults:8 08:06:55 because it has less shit and a less open layout 08:07:01 that doesn't mean the monsters in it are trivial 08:07:12 elf end is also commonly considered easier than v8!!! 08:07:27 i usually just don't do elf though 08:07:37 the only good level is the ending and the rest is ugh 08:07:44 the ending is awful!!!!! 08:07:51 that's because you goofed it 08:08:03 ok uh 08:08:08 is that throwing net useful for anything at this point in the game 08:08:23 style 08:08:38 i'll take that as a no 08:09:52 is that enough scrolls for zot:1 08:10:45 btw uh 08:10:51 i have no idea how to use these rods 08:10:57 but i have a feeling it's pointless taking them to zot 08:12:09 Patashu: help :'( 08:12:17 crawl is complicated 08:12:29 how to use rods 08:12:31 1) wield 08:12:32 2) v 08:12:40 yes but i mean 08:12:44 ~tactically~ 08:13:28 V - a +5 rod of summoning (10/10) 08:13:28 Z - a +3 rod of destruction [lightning,iron,fireball] (10/10) 08:13:32 Patashu: should i take these to zot 08:13:55 uh, if you wanyt 08:14:00 if you end up not needing them just drop them 08:15:31 monqy: Patashu: im zot 08:16:05 The chilling blast hits you! 08:16:05 _Two of your 12 potions of healing freeze and shatter! 08:16:05 ok um 08:16:13 is everything on zot:1 cold or something 08:16:16 because 08:16:18 i have two rings of rF on 08:16:19 white draconians 08:16:19 ice dragons 08:16:22 and golden dragons 08:16:23 and i've seen an ice dragon 08:16:23 and 08:16:24 yeah 08:16:27 is anything firey on zot:1 08:16:27 and ancient liches 08:16:30 that should be it 08:16:31 yes 08:16:32 orbs of fire 08:16:36 and whichever draconian colour is fire 08:16:36 and 08:16:37 golden dragons 08:16:38 and 08:16:38 dragons 08:16:43 drac scorchers 08:16:45 wtf 08:16:46 is with 08:16:46 zot 08:16:50 how are you meant to resist all this crap 08:16:51 hm? 08:16:53 drac annihlators do every element I think 08:16:55 well 08:17:03 swap to one pip of rF and one pip of rC 08:17:10 i don't have rC 08:17:11 just 08:17:12 when you see something you know only does one (like an orb of fire) you can swap to 2 of it 08:17:12 you don't look like you're having trouble 08:17:12 oh 08:17:13 rC+, rF_ 08:17:13 really? 08:17:14 *rF- 08:17:17 well, tank it then 08:17:37 monqy: well my scrolls are all catching fire 08:17:42 and this draconian refuses to walk up to me 08:17:52 shit why do i have all these scrolls with me 08:19:00 i dont know 08:20:11 ha 08:20:15 all my scrolls gone apart from tele 08:20:26 only one scroll of blinking left in the game and it's not mine 08:21:43 ehhh 08:21:54 i should just get the orb and be happy with the runes i have i guess 08:22:36 why is this black draconian red 08:22:38 life mysteries 08:24:47 oh 08:24:49 an orb of fire 08:24:52 Patashu: how do you kill orbs of fire 08:26:11 hit it a lot 08:26:12 don't die to fire 08:26:14 and don't die to mutations 08:26:23 also, it's 150% speed 08:26:25 use antimagic 08:26:29 Patashu: are you sure 08:26:38 Patashu: remember light reverted haste nerf 08:26:43 you mean 08:26:47 they're 200% speed in crawl light? 08:26:48 also 08:26:49 use antimagic yes 08:26:50 could be 08:26:53 for all i know 08:27:07 i got delevelled :( 08:27:26 how dumb is berking an orb of fire 08:28:09 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:28:22 Hello 08:28:30 if crawl light has the op version of berk 08:28:33 doesn't sound too bad 08:28:50 You slice the orb of fire!! 08:28:52 what 08:29:34 Wait a moment, elliott! Do you really want to walk there? 08:29:36 uh 08:30:06 that's zot:1 cleared 08:30:54 feels pyrrhic 08:31:55 where to now!!! 08:32:48 well 08:32:52 did you see the part where all my scrolls got destroyed 08:33:46 monqy: honestly 08:33:49 if I had conservation 08:33:52 I'd be fine 08:33:53 I don't 08:34:48 elf3 for conservation!!! 08:35:09 huh? 08:35:11 would elf:3 have conservation? 08:36:42 monqy: ? 08:37:53 loot 08:38:33 ok then 08:39:27 ok 08:39:30 this is the problematic situation 08:39:37 i guess i need to kill the conjurer fast 08:39:45 monqy: yeah uh 08:39:50 hopefully you can see the problem 08:41:24 are you letting them all hit you at once 08:41:26 oops don't do that! 08:41:35 the idea was 08:41:44 to kill the ones that summon the awful demons first 08:41:44 but 08:42:06 might want to use the vamp axe some too 08:42:11 your hp is getting a dear bit low!! 08:42:21 yes 08:42:21 well 08:42:27 do you have any suggestions 08:42:34 don't do whatever you did 08:42:41 sigh 08:43:23 monqy: ok watch 08:43:34 i'm watching 08:43:42 ok it might finally go well for once since I got rid of the high priest 08:45:47 see 08:45:50 now it's all going terribly :( 08:47:08 monqy: :( 08:47:21 hm? 08:47:26 oh yeah don't fight like that jeez 08:47:32 see if you watched 08:47:36 you'd have saw how i got into this situation :P 08:47:40 *seen 08:48:34 aaaand again 08:48:36 this is pointless 08:48:36 sigh 08:49:50 oh dear what happened to you 08:50:38 I think I'll probably die in the next few turns and there's a bunch of stuff between me and the stairs, so I guess it's hopeless. 08:51:39 I suppose I could read tele, but I have a sneaking suspicion I wouldn't survive to see the other side of it. 08:53:00 monqy: Anyway, suggestions welcome. 08:53:33 most danger about tele is in teleporting into the vault 08:54:14 I would say the most danger is the fact that I had a lot more than 45 HP last turn and so am probably going to have a lot less than it next turn... 08:54:48 about tele specificially 08:55:46 see look you didn't die 08:56:15 Just wait 'til I get back there... 08:56:31 See? 08:56:38 what did you do 08:56:42 What was that, anyway? 08:56:47 Lightning and crystal spear. 08:56:50 monqy: Killed things. 08:57:04 I can't exactly stop things casting spells at me when I'm walking up to them. 08:57:17 hint: don't walk up to them 08:57:43 monqy: I had nowhere to duck and if I just sat there the same would happen. 08:57:58 maybe find somewhere to duck 08:58:09 or move such that you have somewhere to duck 08:58:25 i.e., run away along the corridor, during which time the same would have happened. 08:58:59 You occasionally shout uncontrollably. 08:59:04 Apparently I got another mutation while I wasn't looking. 09:00:14 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:00:44 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 09:00:48 That corridor is going to have the exact same situation in it as it did last time I was in it, so I'm really not sure what my options are. 09:04:57 Aw, fuck. 09:05:38 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:08:58 sigh 09:09:46 monqy: ok, how *are* you meant to handle deep elf demonologists when there are no corridors you can get to without traversing terrain with a bunch of elves that will kill you 09:10:56 i don't know how that happened to you!! 09:11:20 Simple; I retreated from other stuff back here, and there was a deep elf demonologist. 09:11:42 I couldn't retreat backwards since that'd put me back into the stuff I was retreating from, so I walked up to it to kill it before it could summon anything, but it was too quick. 09:13:58 Anyway, I don't know what to do at this point. 09:16:19 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: brb). 09:16:34 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:17:20 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:18:43 Patashu: You should save me. 09:19:35 i'm preoccupied 09:19:50 telnet to what? 09:20:15 Patashu: light.bitprayer.com 09:20:33 nice 09:20:37 you have 57 ac though 09:20:39 why not just zap tele 09:20:57 "you have 57 ac" dude 09:21:02 i'm still losing like 20, 30 hp per turn 09:21:25 the 57 ac really isn't a panacea 09:21:36 shrug, you still want to tele 09:21:46 cool 09:21:48 that 09:21:48 so much better now 09:21:49 sort of helped 09:21:53 except there's elves down there 09:21:57 could re-tele 09:22:22 think i'll just get the hell out 09:22:47 anyway, yes 09:22:50 57 ac doesn't help against everything 09:22:54 but it sure as fuck helps against execs 09:23:11 ugh i suppose i should just go to zot 09:23:20 since there's obviously no way i'll survive a 15-runer 09:23:28 lol 09:23:30 not as a dd of trog, no 09:23:34 (torment torment torment torment smite) 09:24:18 i could always convert 09:24:18 but 09:24:26 i think i'm too shit a player to survive is what i meant 09:24:36 trog wrath is kind of hard to deal with 09:24:41 though with no hunger you could scummily deal with it 09:25:34 ehhh 09:25:42 what's so bad about trog wrath for a character like me? 09:25:46 i can kill pretty much any melee monster 09:25:55 it's spellcasters that beat me down 09:26:02 getting surrounded by 20 zerk stone giants and bears is kind of hard to deal with 09:26:34 what's the scummy way 09:26:41 tomb 09:26:41 or 09:26:47 corridor with something like a rat blocking you in 09:26:59 then 5 until trog is mollified 09:27:06 monqy: tell Patashu he's awful 09:27:13 Patashu: you're awful 09:27:13 then swap to tso 09:27:15 finish crypt 09:27:19 and do pan then hells 09:27:36 Patashu: did you see elliott doing crypt 09:27:43 no, I was eating dinner 09:27:45 was ith ard 09:27:58 fsvo hard 09:28:50 i could probably take crypt now 09:28:53 maybe 09:29:02 Patashu: do you want to see me die in crypt 09:29:06 elliott: so are you converting or not, and are you still planning on allruning 09:29:12 monqy: i don't know 09:29:21 i doubt i'll all-rune without converting 09:29:26 that sounds ~impossible 09:29:51 it's technically possible but lol, torment 09:29:59 who are the viable ddbe extended game gods then 09:30:01 tso, ? 09:30:14 makhleb is like tso but makhleb instead of tso 09:30:25 hmm 09:30:31 what does makhleb offer over trog 09:30:35 if you're going to convert you may as well convert to tso 09:30:41 makhleb offers: healing on kills, ??? 09:32:10 tso offers healing on evil kills, which is pretty much 100% of extended 09:32:15 also holy branding 09:32:20 and angels and stuff 09:32:21 holy helps more than vampiric in end game 09:32:24 yeah 09:32:24 since vampiric doesn't work on demons 09:32:29 while holy gives 75% damage boost 09:32:29 yeah 09:32:30 also 09:32:35 tso gives you cleansing flame 09:32:37 monqy: yeah but 09:32:38 which is good at high invo 09:32:39 divine shield 09:32:41 and if you rely on trog's hand for healing you will exhaust your piety megaquickly 09:32:43 which is good similarly 09:32:43 what does makhleb offer over trog for extended, I'm confused 09:32:48 healing on kills 09:32:48 healing on kills 09:32:53 well ok 09:33:04 tso seems like a pain because 09:33:16 doesn't it get angry at you if you do $stuff 09:33:33 tso isn't as uptight about stuff you do to demons 09:33:41 anyway if i'm going to convert i guess it should be before i finish off crypt? 09:33:48 worst it'd affect you is you can't use your vamp or draining weapons 09:33:59 yes, you'd have to grind with a different weapon 09:34:03 until you get holy branding 09:34:16 oh i can't use vamp? 09:34:23 that's... annoying 09:34:23 vampiric is evil 09:34:30 well, you'd be holy branding it anyway 09:34:31 for endgame 09:34:36 yeah but 09:34:40 vamp is nice for hp 09:34:49 i don't know if hp on evil kills would be enough 09:35:19 vamp won't help you in extended 09:35:25 except on the rare living thing 09:35:28 like ice dragons in coc 09:36:03 Patashu: btw is hall of blades as horrible as they say 09:36:19 it depends on your character 09:36:25 but pretty much everything there is faster than a normal speed char 09:36:28 there are lots of reaching weapons 09:36:32 and an unlucky brand might fuck you up 09:36:39 if you have good escape mechanisms blade is ok 09:37:25 what about if you have crappy escape mechanisms but 57 AC 09:38:20 hmm 09:38:43 idk i just want to put off the decision of converting to another god 09:38:43 you can try it 09:38:44 and also 09:38:46 be somewhere without spellcasters 09:38:49 and summoners 09:38:52 and bullshit like that 09:38:54 (uniques can appear in blade) 09:38:58 ugh 09:39:02 what uniques 09:39:14 any 09:39:33 oh great there's disto 09:39:34 10:39 hall of blades[6/6]: the real experience you gain is "don't do blade" 09:39:35 welp 09:39:41 should i take anything special 09:40:15 also I guess rFire isn't that important in blades? 09:40:23 there can be weapons of flaming 09:40:24 and freezing 09:40:24 and so on 09:40:28 ugh 09:40:34 i'll just go for it 09:40:42 oh uh 09:40:44 will vamp work 09:40:47 s/ $// 09:40:49 i.e. 09:40:51 can it heal me 09:40:56 for hitting blades 09:40:57 of course no 09:41:00 they're fucking swords 09:41:17 feature request: they're not fucking swords 09:41:20 and ok that makes things 09:41:22 difficult 09:41:28 since that's how i heal these days 09:41:30 uhh 09:41:34 does killing them give piety 09:41:42 & also will anti-magic do anything fancy to them 09:41:52 (& also will draining do anything fancy to them) 09:45:53 thanks Patashu :( 09:46:18 hmm 09:46:18 dunno 09:46:20 no 09:46:21 no 09:46:22 in order 09:46:27 gr8 09:46:33 time to splat 09:47:17 HAAAA 09:47:19 Patashu: mennas 09:47:28 what's a silent disciple 09:47:31 is that a crawl light thing 09:47:33 also, get the fuck out of blade 09:47:34 no 09:47:35 it just 09:47:36 silences 09:47:39 wherever it stands 09:47:42 ok 09:47:45 i take it i stand no chances against mennas 09:47:50 well hmm 09:47:54 whoa "He" 09:47:54 I guess you are kind of diesel 09:48:01 I thought Crawl avoided giving genders to monsters 09:48:05 or is that a post-0.8 thing 09:48:08 uniques have gender 09:48:10 like mara is a he 09:48:13 ah 09:48:17 anyway uhhh 09:48:33 zap haste at yourself 09:48:36 and try to kill mennas 09:48:37 it might work 09:48:43 what about the silent disciples and shit 09:48:46 just ignore them? 09:48:47 idk 09:48:48 do they hit hard? 09:48:51 no 09:49:05 wow 09:49:08 you just opened a sword like a pillowcase 09:49:08 what 09:49:08 nice 09:49:10 haha 09:49:24 ok yeah 09:49:24 wow 09:49:25 you're diesel 09:49:26 that was 09:49:26 go do zot 09:49:30 haha yeah but 09:49:30 in zot 09:49:34 well 09:49:37 let's put it this way 09:49:39 i can kill anything in melee 09:49:46 what i can't kill is stuff that summons 09:49:48 or throws fire at me 09:49:51 or throws bolts of cold at me 09:49:52 etc. 09:49:56 and especially my items can't survive that 09:49:59 so basically when i did zot:1 09:50:09 it was uneventful except all my scrolls got destroyed 09:50:25 and i kept losing hp whenever I fought something that did blasts of stuff 09:50:31 if everything just did melee 09:50:32 then i'd be fine 09:51:49 _gruevy's ghost (mighty High Elf Ice Elementalist) comes into view. 09:51:50 hi 09:52:05 god 09:52:07 everything just dies 09:52:14 hi xtahua 09:52:14 hahahahaha 09:52:19 !learn add famous_last_words 09:52:28 you have rf 09:52:31 he's a harmless teddybeatr 09:52:35 really? 09:52:35 ok 09:52:38 pretty much 09:52:40 xtahua with rF- is where it's at 09:52:46 yes 09:52:48 wow so he is 09:52:55 xtahua_mummy_tabbers 09:52:56 you also have: so much ac, vamp battleaxe 09:53:01 so 09:53:04 is blades meant to be this easy 09:53:09 you have 58 ax 09:53:10 *ac 09:53:15 Patashu: did you see that ttyrec of the spsomething that came out of an ice cave into xtahua with rF- 09:53:34 do you know where I can find it 09:53:36 hmm 09:53:39 maybe 09:53:43 so 09:53:46 what should i do now 09:53:53 ehh 09:53:55 i'll do crypt 09:53:56 that one, right 09:53:56 without converting 09:54:11 Patashu: you get to help me do (the last level of) crypt 09:54:21 ok 09:54:42 observe: the previous disaster 09:54:49 oh no 09:54:52 not...liches 09:54:54 ;_; 09:54:54 no it 09:54:57 it spammed summons 09:54:58 and 09:54:59 hell fiend 09:54:59 and 09:55:01 yeah 09:55:02 ?tele 09:55:02 Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list 09:55:04 hellfire 09:55:06 Your Friend 09:55:06 no i just 09:55:09 walked upstairs 09:55:13 I was trying to get elliott to experience the magic and wonder of liches behind glass 09:55:24 the magic and wonder being that if you step on the items it sets the liches free on you 09:55:36 :( 09:55:53 the best thing about light is 09:55:55 no monster regeneration 09:55:59 ever? 09:55:59 wow 09:56:45 _The curse skull gives a chilling moan. 09:56:46 creys 09:57:03 anyway 09:57:09 where should i enter 09:57:46 i guess from the same place 09:57:46 since 09:57:47 staircase 09:57:57 oh hmm 09:58:03 how about from here 09:58:08 better chokepoint and another staircase 09:58:10 yeah that'd be better 09:58:18 wow thanks autotravel 09:58:20 you ruined everything 09:58:23 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:58:28 Patashu: !lg * sp killer=xtahua max=dam -tv:<0.3 09:58:35 thanks 09:58:44 I forgot I stopped watching it half way through because it was boring 09:59:00 ice cave can appear as late as vaults? lol 09:59:05 hahahaha 09:59:06 hahahahahaha 09:59:08 tabbing_unreasons 09:59:14 didn't matter 09:59:16 killed on first turn 09:59:23 ok so 09:59:25 i've dealt with one of the liches 10:00:14 tada 10:00:16 liches disposed of 10:00:39 _There is a click. Suddenly, the liches are set free! 10:00:41 WRONG 10:00:56 Sif Muna's Volume of Snow and the Voyage 10:00:58 literally the most boring book 10:01:00 that seems to be an oversight 10:01:06 shouldn't it only say that if there are still iches trapped there 10:01:27 0.8_unreasons 10:01:45 well 10:01:48 that's crypt done 10:01:57 hmmm 10:02:11 just do zot 10:02:13 Patashu: btw is there any feasible way for me to get conservation at this point 10:02:14 what are you going to get by putting it off 10:02:21 elliott: do a zig maybe 10:02:21 well 10:02:22 ok 10:02:24 I'll do Zot:2 10:02:32 but I still don't know if I want to 15-rune or not 10:02:57 I wouldn't 10:03:13 :( 10:03:15 why 10:03:53 I mean, you could if you want to 10:04:01 but you don't have any way of dealing with certain parts of hell/pan 10:04:02 atm 10:04:31 i guess so 10:04:37 wouldn't converting to tso mitigate that though 10:05:25 "You are alive." 10:05:26 thanks crawl 10:05:56 how do you plan on getting tso piety though 10:06:00 scum abyss? 10:06:01 I guess it'd work 10:06:25 idk 10:06:29 monqy: how do i plan on getting tso piety 10:06:41 kill evil things 10:06:56 potions of speed are useless if i have haste right 10:07:08 doing crypt 10:07:12 monqy: "too late" 10:07:17 i finished crypt 10:07:31 doing abyss maybe? idk 10:07:47 does trog wrath happen in abyss too 10:07:48 that sounds fun 10:08:27 anyway 10:08:28 zot:2 time 10:08:34 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:08:48 whoops 10:08:50 wrong one 10:08:52 meant to do healing 10:09:53 haaa 10:09:55 nice 10:10:10 btw 10:10:14 prioritize mths of wrath 10:10:16 since they berk shit 10:10:19 and berked shit takes forever to kill 10:10:26 not really 10:10:29 You have reached level 27, the final one! 10:10:32 uhhh 10:10:36 should i raise str or dex :p 10:10:43 str I guess 10:10:47 you're not getting much out of your ev 10:10:49 *dex 10:11:45 haaa 10:11:47 thanks moth 10:12:25 * Sgeo wonders if he has Dilbert Desktop Games around somewhere 10:14:09 Your +23 crystal plate mail prevents you from hitting the white draconian. 10:14:14 Patashu: i love how i'm still getting these messages 10:14:34 crawl: really weird if you get +23 cpa in the really early game 10:14:42 even with 27 armour it still stops you sometimes 10:14:56 need 10:14:58 *neat 10:15:01 draconian with a disto sword 10:15:04 tele time 10:15:54 ok uh 10:15:56 that's zot:2 done 10:16:03 the last level of zot is always a lot harder right 10:16:55 i mean 10:16:59 i could just clear zot:3 i guess 10:17:02 but i dunno if that's suicidal or not 10:18:39 thanks Patashu 10:25:10 ok uhhh 10:25:12 this has to be a terrible idea 10:26:37 monqy: tell me i'm an idiot 10:26:58 elliott: you're an idiot 10:27:01 thank you 10:27:01 elliott: ps what are you doing 10:27:03 i'm on zot:3 10:27:05 it's scary as hell 10:27:09 kool 10:29:16 gulp 10:29:21 wow 10:29:22 holy shit 10:29:23 ahahaha 10:29:25 monqy: look at this 10:29:28 look what i find 10:29:29 on zot 10:29:31 fucking 10:29:33 3 10:29:54 elliott: that happened with my ghck too 10:30:06 elliott: no conservation all game then i found a cloak of pres on zot5 10:30:12 nice 10:30:17 is resist mutation useful in zot 10:31:27 Patashu: is resist mutation useful in zot :( 10:31:44 yes 10:31:45 against orbs of fire 10:31:51 (and draconian shifters I think?) 10:32:33 ok 10:32:34 well 10:32:37 i have an amulet of conservation 10:32:40 and an amulet of resist mutation 10:32:47 is it ok to put on conservation 10:32:51 and switch to mutation when i see one of those 10:32:53 or is that too risky 10:33:37 elliott: Did you solve the EXCITING PUZZLE? 10:33:45 no 10:34:05 Did you see the EXCITING PUZZLE? 10:34:33 probably 10:34:40 busy solving a different puzzle 10:36:02 Is it the puzzle where when you solve it you win at Crawl? 10:36:22 s/Crawl/Crawl Light/ 10:36:35 Is that a brand of cigarettes? 10:36:41 uhhh 10:36:42 Patashu: help 10:36:57 do you have an axe of antimagic? 10:36:59 if no: 10:37:02 do you have a scroll of silence? 10:37:03 if no: 10:37:05 yes, i have antimagic 10:37:05 fuck it, just tab it 10:37:09 swap to antimagic and tab 10:37:25 done 10:37:31 btw 10:37:35 there's zot traps in predictable places right 10:37:40 I have no idea 10:37:42 ok 10:38:02 oh boy 10:38:20 put on relec for electric shooters, yes 10:38:29 does vamp work on electric golems 10:38:40 no 10:38:47 do vamps dream of electric golems 10:38:59 faster though 10:39:15 haha shit 10:41:14 euhh 10:41:27 haste, duck behind cover 10:41:28 imo 10:41:28 killer klowns are awful right 10:41:39 I don't think killer klowns even do anything 10:41:45 11:41 killer klown[1/5]: Not a truly unique monster, but emotes like a unique and is very powerful. Causes rotting, is very resistant to magic, and is as fast as a centaur. Fortunately, it has no elemental resistances. 10:42:38 nice ghoul 10:42:41 oh wait 10:42:44 i'm in los of ancient lich 10:42:47 stupid stupid stupid 10:43:37 ugh 10:43:40 guess i'll just punch through to it 10:44:03 lol 10:44:04 nice rot 10:44:08 a whole 9 hp of it 10:44:10 that was there from before :P 10:44:12 actually 10:44:15 they haven't rot me at all yet 10:44:39 is that vampire summoning these 10:45:00 I don't think vampires can summon anything but mammals 10:45:02 unless it changed in light 10:45:15 -!- derdon has joined. 10:45:29 fuck 10:48:08 nice orb 10:48:25 so do guardians actually spawn around the orb 10:48:39 only once 10:48:51 right 10:49:01 why 10:49:04 dum 10:49:05 just pick up the orb and step into the tele trap 10:49:06 too late now 10:49:09 or well 10:49:12 'too late' 10:49:13 what? no 10:49:15 i wasn't going for the orb 10:49:17 you could do it anyway if you feel like it 10:49:17 i'm just clearing out zot:3 10:49:19 oh 10:49:21 suuure 10:49:21 ok 10:49:55 that said 10:50:00 that situation wasn't good 10:51:37 welp 10:52:03 Patashu: if i pick the orb up 10:52:07 can i stash it in the temple 10:52:12 or does picking it up start the whole 10:52:13 spawning thing 10:52:17 irreversibly 10:54:05 whoa 10:54:09 Patashu: look at my EV 10:54:13 it suddenly became 13 and my AC 60 10:54:14 what happened 10:55:05 so are you going to grab the orb and win or do extended or what 10:55:21 if you pick the orb up the spawning is irreversible 10:55:25 but orb run tomb is cool 10:55:28 but you can't do orb run hell or pan 10:55:44 well 10:55:46 i have conservation now 10:55:56 which makes me a bit more confident 10:56:07 so 10:56:11 i'm tempted to go for extended 10:56:33 i mean i could just win with 4 runes quickly now but i mean 10:56:41 idk 10:57:10 wow 10:57:12 your ev went up? 10:57:14 yes 10:57:15 somehow 10:57:16 did you get a beneficial mutation? 10:57:16 and my AC 10:57:18 to 60 10:57:25 what the fuck 10:57:28 'Armour fits poorly on your unusually shaped body.' maybe 10:57:28 i have no idea how i got these mutations 10:57:30 lmao 10:57:32 oofs 10:57:33 do that 10:57:34 to you 10:57:35 Patashu: nah i've had that for the whole game 10:57:41 so the distort thing 10:57:42 hmm, I have no idea then 10:57:42 what's that 10:57:45 do i occasionally blink or something 10:57:47 by whole game i mean 10:57:48 since like 10:57:48 teleportitis 10:57:49 half way through 10:57:49 I think 10:57:50 have fun 10:57:53 hahaha 10:57:57 monqy: is this really teleportitis 10:58:10 yes 10:58:26 :'( 10:59:41 monqy: is there any hope for me 11:00:08 what 11:00:10 yeah 11:00:16 if you grab the orb and win 11:00:19 no i meant 11:00:21 any hope in terms of 11:00:22 doing more 11:00:30 idk 11:00:39 well at least the abyss would be tolerable with it :P 11:03:26 do you expect to have fun in the abyss 11:04:19 monqy: of course not 11:07:17 monqy: ps is 70k turns few or a lot i can't tell these things 11:07:23 idk 11:07:23 i guess it's different for light since 11:07:27 less time identifying, eating, etc. 11:07:36 oh and shorter branches obviously 11:07:37 shorter branches 11:07:38 yes 11:07:47 so i guess it's probably quite long for light 11:10:40 ehhhhhhhhh 11:12:34 Patashu: abyss with teleportitis has to be the greatest thing ever right 11:12:44 sounds "fun" 11:12:48 and "a good way to get the rune" 11:12:58 also "will make xom amused" 11:13:01 the last one is factual 11:13:08 wait can you even teleport in the abyss like that 11:13:13 i know it blocks some kinds of stuff 11:13:31 you can teleport fine in the abyss 11:13:50 how far does it teleport you 11:14:08 no amulet of stasis, brilliant 11:14:25 to a different part of the abyss 11:14:37 (read: regenerates the abyss and places you randomly in the new abyss) 11:14:49 it's like playing hyperrogue basically 11:15:09 so 11:15:12 what happens if you find the rune 11:15:15 and teleport 11:15:18 will you never find it again 11:15:21 because it's already been generated 11:16:36 it makes new runes 11:16:38 until you pick it up 11:16:41 same for demonic rune 11:16:44 but NOT same for unique pan lord runes 11:16:51 those are the only ones you can miss 11:18:16 hmmm 11:18:20 ok 11:18:24 Patashu gets to decide 11:18:29 (a) nab orb, win with 4 runes 11:18:33 (b) go to abyss, have THE FUNNEST TIME 11:18:43 (c) try to do extended game with teleportitis like a fucking imbecile 11:19:13 (a) 11:19:17 ok pick again 11:19:23 lol 11:19:25 (a) 11:19:40 ok pick again 11:20:21 and also 11:20:24 you can't pick (a) again 11:22:11 $print($lower('a')) 11:22:14 oops 11:22:16 $print($lower('A')) 11:22:17 there 11:23:30 no it;s not permissible!!! 11:25:11 well 11:25:12 fuck it 11:25:18 i'm gonna get the orb 11:25:21 Patashu: should i orb run tomb 11:25:25 monqy: should i orb run tomb 11:25:29 yes 11:25:30 always orb run tomb 11:25:36 would i actually survive that 11:25:37 out of curiosity 11:25:40 no 11:25:43 :( 11:25:50 but there's no death curses! 11:25:56 wtf 11:26:01 no death curses in crawl light? 11:26:04 so what's the point of tomb again 11:26:12 well 11:26:14 there's no curses 11:26:14 at least 11:26:20 maybe there's death curses!!! 11:28:52 12:28 I don't have a page labeled striss in my learndb. 11:28:54 monqy: who the fuck is striss 11:29:03 random panlord with summon dragon 11:29:08 12:29 unknown monster: "striss" 11:29:10 monqy: oh 11:29:12 that sounds scary 11:30:36 ugh 11:30:37 a crash 11:32:47 ok so 11:32:52 monqy: i have the runes and the orb 11:33:00 i really 11:33:09 want to orb run tomb like an idiot just for the hilarity 11:33:11 but im stopping myself 11:33:13 with willpower 11:34:29 you can orb run tomb if you want 11:34:33 worst case you die 11:35:01 12:34 tomb[7/8]: RotRotRotRotTormentTormentRotTormentTormentSmiteTormentSmiteSmite You die... 11:35:02 oh 11:35:04 is there smiting in tomb 11:35:14 12:35 tomb[8/8]: Croases: admittedly i should've done swamp first 11:35:15 :D 11:38:02 ok 11:38:11 monqy: i'm going to do a really stupid ascension trick wish me luck!!! 11:38:30 not to be missed!!! 11:38:36 or 11:38:37 to be missed 11:38:44 "it is up for every person on the planet for them to decide" 11:38:56 elliott: hm? 11:39:04 monqy: i'm going to do a bunch of stupid stuff before walking up the stairs 11:39:07 ok 11:40:21 nice naga 11:41:16 monqy: does abandoning religion have any penalties 11:41:19 for winning 11:41:25 score-wise or whatever 11:41:35 eh who cares 11:42:00 hahaha 11:42:11 oh my god 11:42:14 monqy 11:42:17 i'm going to die 11:42:21 what 11:42:23 i 11:42:25 read a scroll of tele 11:42:26 you are 11:42:26 why 11:42:27 you look ok 11:42:29 before walking up the stairs 11:42:29 and 11:42:30 i'm naked 11:42:31 and 11:42:32 spoiler: you die in the end. 11:42:34 i have no scrolls 11:42:35 you look ok 11:42:38 no i 11:42:38 have 11:42:39 no 11:42:39 you're on D:6 11:42:41 armour 11:42:42 what are you going to run into 11:42:42 what did you do 11:42:43 on 11:42:44 ?? 11:42:45 you have AC 60 11:42:45 i'm on D:1 11:42:47 and i have the orb 11:42:47 you're on D:1 11:42:48 oh 11:42:49 no 11:42:51 you have ac0 11:42:51 onesec 11:42:56 ok, refershed it 11:42:58 wow, 22 glue and 0 ac 11:42:59 hahaha 11:43:01 how did you manage that 11:43:06 stupid tricks 11:43:07 well, just hasterun from everything 11:43:07 i 11:43:08 and lerave naked 11:43:10 it will look funnier 11:43:12 ok but 11:43:14 will i survive even a single hit 11:43:16 btw 11:43:17 i also renounced religion 11:43:20 of course you will 11:43:25 lol, stupid ascension tricks 11:43:29 hahahaha 11:43:41 god 11:43:46 amazing 11:43:48 congrats on your easy modo win 11:43:48 Best Crawlers - 11:43:49 1. 3673211 gruevy MDFi-27 escaped with the Orb 11:43:49 2. 2327513 elliott DDBe-27 escaped with the Orb 11:43:54 Are you ready for the next challenge? 11:44:16 what's the next challenge 11:44:19 btw 11:44:26 did i lose points by abandoning religion & being naked 11:44:28 and stuff 11:44:29 because if so 11:44:30 i regret nothing 11:44:54 actually 11:44:55 it's funny 11:44:58 my teleportitis didn't kick in at all 11:46:22 anyway 11:46:32 Patashu: what i did was 11:46:38 use my summoning rod thing to swarm a cloud of crap 11:46:43 polymorph one of my boulder beetles into a naga 11:46:46 hasted myself 11:46:49 renounced religion 11:46:50 read fog 11:46:52 read teleport 11:46:56 and tried to go up the stairs 11:46:57 oh 11:47:01 and i took off all my armour beforehand 11:47:16 ...and then ran naked out the dungeon with the orb :P 11:49:56 also 11:50:02 if crawl light uses the same scoring system as crawl 11:50:12 all it cares about is exp, no. of runes and game turns taken 11:50:22 ok 11:50:28 so i only wasted the turns it took to actually do that crap :P 11:51:10 so, the last level of zot is actually pretty fun 11:51:54 ** stair dancing ** (best watched when not busy) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdGIbZKtmg&t=214s 11:53:35 brogue has the best (most exploitable) stair dancing 11:53:44 which is funny because at first it looks like the LEAST exploitable stairs in any roguelike that has them 11:54:02 imo every roguelike needs to adopt the following-through-stairs system brogue has 11:55:23 Following through stairs system? 11:56:01 when you take the stairs in brogue 11:56:04 every monster that is actively hunting you 11:56:08 will take the stairs as soon as it reaches them 11:56:14 and resume hunting you 11:56:28 Ah, nice 11:56:32 (as opposed to the stupid system in most other roguelikes where things adjacent to you can somehow go up the stairs and then walk next to you in two turns less time than it should take) 11:56:34 so you need to use Secret Techniques to exploit stairs 11:56:39 (and anything with even one square of air around you won't follow at all) 11:56:42 (really really dumb) 11:57:24 -!- MoALTz has joined. 12:00:08 Patashu: so what are the brogue techniques 12:01:49 monqy: bet you enjoyed playing as MEPHITICCLOUD 12:01:58 aauuuhg 12:02:09 it actually didn't have meph 12:02:10 monqy: it's a workhorse 12:02:12 I made a post on the brogue wiki detailing what you can do with stairs 12:02:16 http://brogue.wikia.com/wiki/Stairdancing 12:02:17 right now i'm playing MOUNTAINDWARF, which does have meph 12:02:30 monqy: is the naming theme "bad things" 12:02:32 *naming scheme 12:02:40 naming scheme is OBLIVION 12:02:51 things that were "nerfed to oblivion" 12:03:03 mephitic cloud, mountain dwarf, staff monk, slaying 12:03:04 I'm not sure I'd call what was done to Mountain Dwarves "nerfing". 12:03:05 what was op about staff monk 12:03:10 nothing 12:03:15 it was just nerfed to oblivion 12:03:21 Is there a Brogue server? 12:03:25 no, not yet 12:03:29 but it has a replay system 12:03:33 so if you win (or die hilariously) I can watch you 12:03:40 a brogue server would require the brogue program to work well anyway 12:03:45 because of the UI 12:04:07 I think there's a console version of brogue 12:04:13 just that it's not available because the faketerm is a lot better 12:04:18 and it's going to be used for an ssh server 12:04:23 yeah but nobody will want to play that 12:04:27 at least nobody with taste 12:05:06 monqy: nice hydra 12:05:16 i wasn't looking atht the screen 12:05:43 you should use mephitic cloud on everything 12:05:56 can't sacrifice optimal play just for your personal opinions! 12:06:00 you have a team relying on you 12:06:49 this is the only one I have left 12:06:54 then everything will be stuck on marvinpa 12:07:09 (until it comes back around to me that is) 12:09:51 monqy: freezing cloud eh 12:09:54 sounds a lot like mephitic cloud to me 12:10:04 sounds like you're feeding your secret meph addiction without admitting it!!! 12:11:22 meeeeph 12:11:26 i havent even seen meph ever casted monqy 12:11:28 do yo uwant to deprive me 12:15:00 monqy: i feel deprive 12:15:00 d 12:15:11 mephhh 12:15:14 meph the hill giant 12:15:25 beautiful 12:15:32 wow that's overpowered 12:15:48 i think monqy just wants to cast meph a lot 12:15:50 i think he really likes it 12:15:55 everything about this char is op 12:16:25 monqy: did you see i won btw 12:16:32 "i forget" 12:16:47 yes 12:17:21 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:17:29 hi Taneb 12:17:33 Hello 12:18:48 -!- azaq23 has joined. 12:18:56 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 12:20:57 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:21:48 -!- azaq23 has joined. 12:24:08 Taneb: I won Crawl Light! 12:24:17 Yay! 12:24:52 Now for Crawl [Heavy|Dark]! 12:28:00 :) 12:32:02 -!- nooga has joined. 12:32:54 Crawl Light? 12:33:12 It's like Crawl, but Light. 12:33:35 It's a fork of 0.8 that adds some new stuff and removes annoying things like the bad hunger, identification and curse systems. 12:33:42 bad hunger? 12:33:51 bad (hunger, identification and curse systems) 12:33:58 What's bad about them? 12:34:15 i thought you played craw 12:34:16 l 12:34:21 what monqy said 12:34:33 alternatively: "everything" 12:36:01 even ais thinks crawl's id game sucks, and he likes identification 12:36:27 -!- Patashu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 12:38:22 How does it suck? 12:38:47 13:34 i thought you played craw 12:38:47 13:34 l 12:39:01 it's uninteresting, tedious, and has no gameplay benefits 12:39:43 it involves no interesting choices, more or less no risk, and basically is just completely pointless 12:41:39 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:42:01 -!- MoALTz has joined. 12:43:14 and also 12:43:15 it sucks 12:44:36 Sgeo: and furthermore 12:44:40 it's bad 12:46:42 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 12:49:28 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:54:41 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:57:55 monqy: you gotat see that tv 12:57:56 *gotta 13:08:11 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 13:21:47 Help me! I'm using drivelware pushed by Facebook 13:21:59 Because it has one redeeming quality over Pidgin 13:33:53 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:37:32 what 13:43:43 -!- MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:44:42 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:02:37 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:03:01 -!- pikhq has joined. 14:03:15 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:03:41 -!- MoALTz has joined. 14:03:49 Hello! 14:08:35 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:08:42 If I go to sleep I'm going to forget what I need to post to the Allegiance forums 14:09:01 summarize it here in a few posts 14:09:09 then you can check it later in the logs 14:17:28 Why am I listening to itidus20 14:17:53 its one thing i know about 14:18:33 Allegiance installer doesn't have Allegiance run as Administrator -- which is good except for it installing Allegiance into a protected directory, so updaters don't work 14:18:56 And R6 apparently uses Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable files, which the installer does not install 14:19:18 Lewis Carroll once invented a strange device for taking shorthand in the dark, because he would forget what idea he just woke up with faster than the oil lamp could be turned on. 14:19:30 -!- oklofok has joined. 14:21:06 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:23:21 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:31:50 -!- nooga has joined. 14:36:08 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:37:01 -!- david_werecat has joined. 15:03:46 -!- Madoka-Kaname has joined. 15:17:23 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 15:39:17 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:48:26 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:58:00 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 16:09:56 based on some rants the other day, i'm trying my winxp in a fullscreen style mode.. 16:11:15 all open windows maximized (where possible), taskbar removed from the bottom, taskbar can be entirely replaced effectively by alt+tab and windows key 16:12:09 winxp -_- 16:13:06 it's my backlash against overlapping windows 16:13:18 dunno how long it will last 16:13:23 -!- azaq23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:18:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:20:34 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:25:19 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:34:24 Hello 16:49:35 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:05:03 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:07:40 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 17:07:53 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:12:28 -!- huansinho has joined. 17:12:56 -!- huansinho has left. 17:14:17 -!- huansinho has joined. 17:14:19 -!- huansinho has left. 17:21:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:47:54 -!- pikhq has joined. 17:48:04 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:59:36 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:11:34 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:17:12 https://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-piracy-boosts-music-sales-study-finds-120517/ 18:19:56 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 18:20:28 ion: i guess the record industry wants to have their cake and eat it too. 18:21:54 * itidus20 notices that every other time someone has spoken i have responded and it might be time for a break 18:22:03 -!- itidus20 has left ("Leaving"). 18:43:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 18:47:07 -!- nortti has joined. 18:51:24 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:51:27 Hello! 18:51:57 `quote 18:52:06 831) they call finnish human-readable? 18:52:14 `? Taneb 18:52:18 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. 18:52:21 `? Ngevd 18:52:24 ​].~"MɱʂefO_4eD(2.tз};M0{zZ.7{^B'_O.IaS@."c:Y.I”ƥ0I.~nY&`ƫ@bcMb+.Jj...S\.Aa#+ \ '.t.^˕4Nx-.BPhb..iJ@f:QLܒ;΢dɇe.z..Rz \ .w!*Ax2^fMVkl.Rg.[c(.k~{ ".+.[0~6.#ov0.qFS=]C"`ݑ.ts. 18:52:32 actually they called finnish easy to read. 18:52:59 `quote Taneb 18:53:02 439) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement \ 445) Cut to February War were declared A galaxy in turmoil Anyway, Febuary '10 \ 446) I can't afford one of those! A grandchild, not a laser printer \ 453) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different 18:53:26 I remember 453 18:53:31 `quote 453 18:53:34 453) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. 18:59:18 -!- asiekierka has joined. 18:59:46 `qutoe Ngevd 18:59:48 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qutoe: not found 19:00:01 `quote Ngevd 19:00:04 619) Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love \ 625) [in the context of Open University] "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux" \ 628) Ngevd:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov \ 630) Also you steal Berwick from us and then 19:00:58 `quote nortti 19:01:01 823) nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics. \ 824) It's... not really links2-optimised. elliott: I don't think that any page is links2 optimised 19:26:56 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:43:04 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:59:34 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:17:54 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 20:17:59 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:43:38 -!- azaq23 has joined. 20:43:58 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 20:45:07 -!- azaq23 has joined. 20:48:06 #haskell is the most banny I've ever seen a channel that hadn't been taken over by a musician from New Jersey 20:48:24 does that happen frequently 20:49:01 It happened once... 20:49:38 The channel no longer exists, but for a short time I was its owner 20:50:14 banny? 20:50:17 people gettin banned? 20:50:24 Person 20:50:41 branny 20:50:46 Taneb: what for / why is it remarkable? 20:50:51 kmc: A troll is rejoining with different IPs. 20:50:55 Nothing particularly remarkable. 20:51:14 (I don't IRC very much, but when I do, I mostly stay in the comfort of this very channel) 20:54:41 The best tranny. The banny. 20:55:15 The intersection between #esoteric and #haskell is a number of people 20:55:21 That is at least 3 20:55:35 kmc: Did you solve the EXCITING PUZZLE? 21:08:40 Sgeo, do the update thing! 21:10:02 -!- elliott has joined. 21:10:28 hi 21:10:28 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 21:11:02 Hello! 21:11:47 elliott, update 21:12:12 hi 21:12:27 monqy: hello 21:12:43 There's been sausagey chaos on #haskell 21:12:44 @@ @tell elliott @echo @echo @echo 21:12:44 Consider it noted. 21:13:18 elliott: helo 21:13:18 monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 21:14:49 i was hopeful when he said "SSH is awesome" but when i asked he says he'd only consider himself a "ssh fanboy" on the condition that telnet was the only alternative :( 21:16:25 :( 21:16:25 elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 21:16:42 condolences, monqy 21:17:22 @@ @tell shachaf @echo @echo @echo 21:17:22 You can tell yourself! 21:17:32 lambdabot: OR CAN I? 21:17:52 yes 21:27:05 shachaf: what puzzle? 21:27:36 How many non-interesecting "8"s can you fit on a plane? 21:28:26 shachaf, depends how big the plane and the "8"s are 21:28:34 The plane is infinite. 21:28:41 The 8s can be any size you like. 21:29:00 I'm going for an infinite number 21:29:21 The question is whether it's countably many. 21:29:52 I'd guess yes, since you can pack 8s into the dip in the middle. 21:29:57 I'm going for uncountable 21:30:12 If the 8s can get stupidly tiny 21:30:17 (mathematical term) 21:30:51 OK, prove it. 21:30:58 No. 21:31:04 Circles are easy but 8s are much trickier. 21:31:12 What's "the dip in the middle"? 21:31:26 Consider a circle surrounding an 8 21:31:38 shachaf: The thing connecting the two "o"s. 21:31:54 Taneb: 8s can go into other 8s, of course. 21:32:09 shachaf, that doesn't make it any more countable? 21:32:33 Who said it was countable? 21:32:46 I claimed it wasn't! 21:33:11 If it's uncountable without putting 8s in other 8s, it will be uncountable with that ability 21:33:28 It's uncountable because you can imagine packing the reals the same way, Q.E.D.. 21:33:30 *D. 21:33:52 (I have little idea what I'm talking about, btw. Most of my knowledge of this topic comes from reading irregular webcomic) 21:33:56 OK, so how is it uncountable without putting 8s in other 8s? 21:34:10 Because the 8s can get stupidly tiny 21:34:22 shachaf: Just pack circles and then s/circle/8/? 21:34:34 8s have a bounding circle. 21:34:53 -!- nortti_ has joined. 21:36:18 Goodnight! 21:36:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:51:43 elliott: No, because circles can go inside each other. 21:52:25 The obvious packing is f(r : R⁺) = Circle { center = (0,0), radius = r } 21:52:39 OK, but an 8 is just a circle with a twist. 21:52:49 You can pack 8s into the side, which is the equivalent of the inside. 21:53:06 Think of taking a circle and twisting it to make an 8, and what happens to the insides. 21:53:09 Well, the "obvious packing" I mentioned doesn't work. 21:53:15 Because the 8s intersect. 21:53:19 See above. 21:53:20 So suggest another packing. :-) 21:53:22 You don't pack the 8 into the 8. 21:53:26 You pack the 8 into the side of the 8. 21:53:34 OK, but how do you get uncountably many that way? 21:54:04 shachaf: Put a real number in the top circle of the 8. 21:54:14 Ascending on each side. 21:54:19 Note that you can find any real number by diving deep enough. 21:54:27 Not ascending. 21:54:30 You know what I mean. 21:54:36 I'm not going to make a formal proof. 21:54:42 Actually I have no idea what you mean. 21:54:48 But I don't think it works. :-) 21:56:43 OK, do you understand what I mean by twisting a circle in the middle to get an 8? 21:57:29 Sort of? 21:57:31 If you imagine a certain kind of (not physically possible twist), you can imagine what's in the very middle of the circle actually ending up at the sides of the middle point of the 8 where the circles join, on the outside. 21:57:36 *possible) twist, 21:57:50 (It's not physically possible because you sort of twist it in-place.) 21:58:00 (I'm sure there's a fancy topological definition of it.) 21:58:08 But if you have two non-intersecting concentric circles, and you twist them both, you get two intersecting 8s. 21:58:25 Oh, maybe I don't understand what you're saying. 21:58:26 Anyway, I didn't even state it based on the circles originally. 21:58:44 The point is: the middle of the 8 has some free space, right? 21:58:51 Where the two circles meet, there's some space to the left and right of the midpoint. 21:58:52 Estimated delivery date: Today. 21:58:57 Current location: 2,000 miles away. 21:58:58 You can pack 8s there. 21:58:59 Yeaaaaaaaaaah. 21:59:08 So just pack one on each side, and repeat the process. 21:59:19 That's only going to be countably many. 21:59:29 I can trivially enumerate these 8s. :-) 21:59:36 Hmm, right. 21:59:39 Bah. 21:59:43 Just tell me the answer. 22:00:08 But then it's not an EXCITING PUZZLE anymore. 22:00:16 It's not exciting. 22:00:44 Oh. 22:05:36 How would a packing problem have uncountably infinite pieces in a space? 22:06:17 It's not really packing. 22:06:20 That's a bad word for it. 22:06:35 Circles can go inside each other. 22:06:45 They just can't intersect. 22:07:37 Anyway, tell us the solution. 22:08:04 But that would spoil it. 22:08:23 You wouldn't want to SPOIL IT, would you? 22:08:53 elliott: I can give you a hint: 22:09:01 Is packing discs (filled-in circles) possible? 22:10:00 I'm not sure. :( 22:10:20 OK, so figure that out first. :-) 22:11:02 No. 22:11:07 I'm too tired. 22:11:09 OK. 22:11:12 Go to sleep! 22:11:37 I just did. 22:13:38 I should post on the Allegiance forums 22:13:44 They need to fix the installer 22:32:29 elliott, http://type.method.ac/# 22:32:47 I've played that. 22:32:49 I wasn't very good at it. 22:33:34 Does it make sense that the letters at the end aren't movable? 22:34:10 Yes, otherwise the game would be impossible; there would be an infinite number of valid kernings, parameterised on letter spacing. 22:34:34 (i.e. all of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Letter-spacingS1.png are kerned correctly.) 22:34:48 (Well, ostensibly. Assume they are; they could be incorrect, but that's not the point.) 22:35:22 Ah 22:35:38 I kept wanting to squish everything together 22:36:08 I didn't actually finish the game >.> 22:45:34 -!- Patashu has joined. 22:45:36 -!- Patashu has quit (Client Quit). 22:45:44 -!- Patashu has joined. 23:06:47 "shachaf How many non-interesecting "8"s can you fit on a plane?" rather trivially only countably many 23:07:29 the idea is similar to the one for "uncountable sum of positive reals is infinite" 23:08:32 for the latter problem, we note that if for all 1/n, we had just countably many over that magnitude, then we could just take the countable union 23:10:14 similarly, for the eights, we note that if you take any "rational interval of 8 approximations", then some approximation interval is uncountable, which will be a contradiction. by an approximation interval i mean something like "height of the 8 is between x and y, and the angles in the middle are between z and w" or something. 23:10:50 this is all very standard, but this is a common problem type in noob competitions 23:13:31 well okay 8's are particularly simple so you just need to look at the size of bounding boxes 23:13:50 elliott, monqy etc 23:14:36 it is ever so slightly more interesting for Y 23:20:25 "trivial" 23:21:44 "very standard... noob competitions" 23:22:29 yes 23:22:42 silly bullshit no one should be doing 23:25:49 can no space with a nontrivial fundamental group have uncountably many nonoverlapping embeddings? 23:27:39 yeah seems so 23:28:23 i don't think you can get anything interesting out of this 23:28:37 -!- pikhq has joined. 23:28:42 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:29:16 thanks for being a dick about it 23:29:24 i don't think shachaf's puzzle was meant to revolutionize mathematical research 23:29:33 :) 23:29:47 i think it was a little puzzle for a group of people casually interested in mathematics 23:29:50 finally, someone takes my being a dick seriously 23:34:28 wait what, did shachaf invent the puzzle? 23:35:28 okay i guess not 23:38:05 also i read my lines and wonder wtf you're menstruating abou 23:38:06 t 23:38:17 i didn't eve 23:38:21 n insult anyone 23:38:45 thanks for being a dick about it 23:39:02 :--------------------------------------------D 23:41:46 anyway does this game have a point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUC2tpY5gb4 ? 23:42:20 my attention span for flowers is not long enough to get it 23:43:09 -!- nortti_ has quit (Quit: nortti_). 23:43:28 okay i guess it is, you hit flowers with the petals 23:44:13 Games aren't always about senseless violence and violence. Some have a deeper meaning and an actual purpose. Take this game, Flower, for instance. It is the opposite of? violence. 23:44:22 -- dude on youtube 23:45:15 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:53:01 -!- DHeadshot has joined.