< 1338076936 453173 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: This code had a macro of the form special_debug_printf(("%s", args)). I didn't notice the extra () and #defined special_debug_printf printf. It took me a little while to figure out what was going on. Maybe you can use that for your underhanded code thing! < 1338076941 360890 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is mostly just annoyed at this code.
< 1338077069 164679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's for c89 compat < 1338077173 407831 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Warrigal < 1338077173 598872 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal says: Hey, the module loaded. I didn't expect that. < 1338077189 11889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... was probably funny in context? < 1338077192 319234 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote factorial < 1338077192 510193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jcreigh says: i mean if someone says factorial should be of type String -> [(Float, Bool)], you should just tell them they're nuts > let fac n = map (\x -> (x, True)) $ scanl (* < 1338077192 510427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 [1..(read n)] in fac "5" :: [(Float, Bool)] < 1338077231 49210 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote my factorial function < 1338077231 318669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. My mind is going. I can feel it. < 1338077852 613361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338078226 108219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here is good at naming git branches? :( < 1338078255 922017 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me! < 1338078263 72291 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to name them ee1de02f4cc67f0d5d6a2ed0b3b03c9e6fa5c5a7 < 1338078273 54715 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2ee1eb0e876e64adf0c35a05ac63c785cfb23cdc < 1338078730 820635 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338078807 884042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only ever posted updates of files (and new files) to git, not branches < 1338080645 824687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa: Well, you can put the idea about videos on the esolang wiki list of ideas if you want to < 1338080677 72399 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't know such a list existed < 1338080682 8306 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not :) < 1338080685 92245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mess. < 1338080687 365025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it exists. < 1338080692 359633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas < 1338080704 289361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have looked at underhanded C codes and easily find the errors in most cases < 1338080705 258014 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like one, right from the topic :) < 1338080766 606164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It used to be even more mess; it is better now. And still, I think it is good the way it is; ideas with a lot more completion can go to separate pages which can be written better if you have that < 1338080778 734061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is slightly less of a mess. < 1338080783 657103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly. < 1338080789 64785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it got more messy again. < 1338080847 546603 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads http://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas and patents them all!
< 1338080944 853264 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where did you find these codes < 1338080963 301268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Method and system for implementing a compiler for a programming language based on graphics represented in the American Standard Code for Information Interchange < 1338081003 321941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I forget < 1338081134 198560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In programs that take a random stream of bits to generate random integers within a range, and if the range is not a power of two, would you deal with the uniformness of the generator? < 1338081218 985815 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1338081232 285577 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not like the situation with "web applications" these days. < 1338081252 131935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm glad we're not in the days of CGI scripts written in C anymore. < 1338081267 640629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Are you writing a CGI script in C? < 1338081279 59956 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I'm reading a CGI script written in C. < 1338081280 300365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't like either. But even recently I have written a CGI script in C. < 1338081283 612683 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a "script". < 1338081403 573509 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard uses the following algorithm for random number generator: unsigned int r=max_uint-(max_uint%limit); for(;;) { @; @; } < 1338081517 48770 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1338081532 386471 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of language can you make out of only 2 symbols < 1338081540 343983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary < 1338081557 306499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also Jot, which uses 0 and 1 and then eventually ends < 1338081568 157757 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is crazy functionnal stuff? :D < 1338081580 666589 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338081587 181991 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss monqy. :-( < 1338081623 854754 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338081631 516429 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who composes music in here < 1338081640 432948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes do < 1338081646 506591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Gregor probably does more < 1338081659 400558 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1338081672 599299 :TheJimmyJames!~TheJimmyJ@124.240.120.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338081675 690459 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think gregor does sheet music, especially piano < 1338081683 107022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome TheJimmyJames < 1338081686 207029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheJimmyJames: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338081702 161795 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: what sort of music do you do? < 1338081706 237633 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338081765 740659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: I do four-part chorale on paper, I also do monophonic music on QBASIC using PLAY command, and some using Bohlen-Pierce as well using PlayBP which is a subroutine I made up for that purpose < 1338081818 71667 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried bohlen-pierce < 1338081841 881396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have experimented with other temperaments as well < 1338081896 743409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written some polyphonic music using PPMCK < 1338081931 496148 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of yet the most interesting I've found was using modified scale for some melodic instument, over equal temperament chords < 1338081961 880514 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the arabic-ish kind of scale where you detune stuff like 3rds and 6ths more towards "neutral" intervals < 1338081990 289663 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppmck is the one for making NES music right? < 1338081994 426981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338082016 678901 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I've mostly used converters for my nes stuff < 1338082030 979985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also made some changes to PPMCK, so that a subroutine call followed by return from subroutine is just replaced by a jump instruction instead < 1338082040 106203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What converters? < 1338082064 743706 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s3m2nsf / it2nsf / supernsf family < 1338082251 673445 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338082308 176208 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernsf is particularly ridiculous < 1338082314 543317 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you cheat way too much :D < 1338082319 559770 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZEczIYbUQ <- supernsf < 1338082323 71932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheat? < 1338082415 975925 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice anything about the dpcm? :D < 1338082467 145577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean it converts WAV to DPCM and plays that as the music? < 1338082534 917946 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could do that but it's cooler even < 1338082556 310236 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song fits in like 200k < 1338082617 866506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever sent anything to Famicompo or Famicompo Mini? < 1338082634 626104 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the song I linked to was in famicompo mini < 1338082654 682631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What volume and number? I have the entire Famicompo Mini on my computer so I can easily find it < 1338082679 805437 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one < 1338082706 736236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what volume number, section (cover or original), and entry number? < 1338082721 204649 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :famicompo 8 cover 63 < 1338082734 968514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1338082837 60206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now I can see < 1338082967 171694 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be one huge dpcm sample for the whole tune, would be much larger than 200k < 1338082977 947937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can see what is done now < 1338083016 364952 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a software mixer and reampler for the NES < 1338083025 327803 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses 100% cpu :D < 1338083060 2208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean you cannot include the music in a game? < 1338083070 298781 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you couldn't put that in a gaime < 1338083075 596373 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it uses 100% < 1338083125 186012 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does nothing else than resample 2~4 channels of sound, apply volume, mix, write to the DPCM port to set position < 1338083150 338908 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from time to time interpret a music data command (to change the sample freq or volume or the NES channels) < 1338083152 183645 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B650.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338083292 84566 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the song has like one sample for each word ("smoke" "wee-" "-eed" "ev-" "-ery" "day"), so all the silly echoes and harmonizations are all sequenced :D < 1338083388 434100 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey smoke weed everyday < 1338083469 565785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's what they are saying. I found the speech difficult to understand at first < 1338083503 399218 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a recent silly meme on youtube < 1338083547 376193 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use samples from that one time snoop dogg says "smoke weed everyday" without any instrumental backing and fit that over random VGM :D < 1338083598 420303 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only thing is... wouldn't that be against the Big Beat Manifesto?" < 1338083599 526952 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you read the Big Beat Manifesto lately? The Big Beat Manifesto goes, 'Big beats are the best, get high all the time.'" < 1338083987 421178 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did fcm8 original 40, fcm7 original 1 & 71, fcm6 original 19 cover 37 & 42, fcm5 original 58 cover 8, fcm classical original 22 < 1338084159 122123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like fcm8 original 40 and fcm7 original 1, I don't like fcm8 cover 63 much though. < 1338084188 430248 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty dumb < 1338084204 243916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see the humor of adding "smoke weed every day" to a vgm track < 1338084218 925698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but adding a poorly autotuned sample on every note? < 1338084228 528556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just gets annoying fast < 1338084259 662646 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotuned? < 1338084277 664634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you have the entire Famicompo Mini on your computer? < 1338084281 837487 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338084293 229397 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways it's mostly for the meme value (and because the moon is a nice song) < 1338084624 874784 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for the meme value" is a completely bankrupt rationale < 1338084656 866706 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why do you keep giving people herpes?" "for the herpes value!" < 1338084706 292675 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you keep giving people herps? For the derps value! < 1338084821 601300 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :herps derps < 1338084894 124662 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If everyone had herpes, you wouldn't have to worry about giving/getting herpes anymore! < 1338084899 38279 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Herpes: The Great Equalizer. < 1338084934 852716 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoke weed every day. < 1338085036 337703 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone was dead, you wouldn't have to worry about killing/being killed anymore! < 1338085041 202863 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death: The Great Equalizer. < 1338085589 878720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Earth didn't exist, you wouldn't have to worry about it orbiting the Sun anymore! < 1338085693 594784 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spontaneous planetary cessation: The Great Equalizer. < 1338085974 329469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you remind me what the command is in C to access the current UNIX timestamp? < 1338086048 98752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to add a support for a timer to Internet Quiz Engine. < 1338086094 821200 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: time_t time(time_t *t); < 1338086142 230388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of time(2)'s pointer argument? < 1338086152 494995 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no *clue*. < 1338086172 342566 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *semantics* are that, if t is non-NULL, it'll store its return value in there, too. < 1338086177 791962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338086179 548659 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you would want this is beyond me. < 1338086205 920372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since C allows assignments inside of other expressions < 1338086388 570834 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does strace replace the VDSO with its a little tracing function or something? < 1338086556 910604 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't believe so < 1338086563 864747 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you see gettimeofday(2) in strace < 1338086583 678181 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might see it in ltrace assuming it's being called through libc < 1338086594 65105 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338086645 446747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it uses ptrace < 1338086686 20764 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know it uses ptrace. That means that it only sees actual system calls that go to the kernel. < 1338086695 35770 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338086697 574932 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1338086706 353860 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do see time(NULL) calls in strace. < 1338086713 957975 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's not done through gettimeofday(2). < 1338086732 761569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the VDSO handles gettimeofday and clock_gettime but I don't know about time < 1338086738 35616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: All of the files you mentioned are very good; the only one you did that I don't like much is fcm8 cover 63 < 1338086745 555628 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my amd64 system I don't see gettimeofday calls unless I build a static binary < 1338086789 740197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :static binaries don't use vsyscalls but I think on i386 they still use the VDSO for regular syscalls < 1338086807 464771 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why the VDSO even exists.
< 1338086817 659981 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on i386 you get an ELF auxv entry for the start of the VDSO ELF in memory, and another auxv entry for the syscall entry point < 1338086819 662707 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as opposed to doing it in libc. < 1338086822 892084 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on amd64 you get only the first of those < 1338086827 86897 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just so the kernel can generate the code once at boot? < 1338086899 758917 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1338086907 645914 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, other MDude isn't timing out. < 1338086920 29947 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 NICK :MDuck < 1338086926 244877 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338086929 823212 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg nickserv ghost MDude < 1338086963 734901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the userspace code immediately surrounding the call into ring 0 is basically kernel implementation details < 1338086971 248372 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense to let that change with the kernel, not with libc < 1338086979 98700 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else registered MDude sometime before I showed up, I was just using the nick because I use it elsewhere. < 1338086993 214624 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto the implementation of gettimeofday etc, which read kernel data structures < 1338086994 542424 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be that whoever actually registered it showed up. < 1338087001 683389 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libc is already really closely coupled with the kernel. < 1338087018 78647 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nicer option than making the locations and layouts of those "internal" data structures part of the stable ABI < 1338087024 544340 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not to this degree, I think < 1338087032 976037 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless he just joined right before elliott notes that something uses ptrace. < 1338087040 219455 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noted < 1338087070 191694 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey look he disconnected while I wasn't paying attention. < 1338087074 145797 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 NICK :MDude < 1338087074 422300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDuck: You can check by NS INFO and WHOIS commands, some information about someone else with that nickname < 1338087101 816189 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember. < 1338087107 387732 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the VDSO makes particular sense for SYSENTER < 1338087158 578225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when userspace invokes the SYSENTER instruction, the CPU jumps to kernel code in ring 0 without saving the userspace instruction pointer (or code segment) < 1338087161 151420 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right, because the address has to be known. < 1338087172 619111 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But then the VDSO can't be randomized anymore, can it?) < 1338087175 823308 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that practically a) you should have only one SYSENTER instruction in all of userspace, and b) the kernel needs to know where it is < 1338087176 148894 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I guess it can.) < 1338087188 390977 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was just thinking about that, but I worked it out < 1338087197 618631 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the kernel knows where the VDSO is mapped in each process's spacj < 1338087199 587175 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :space* < 1338087200 299332 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338087207 511632 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence my second line. :-) < 1338087212 509523 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's [vsyscall], then? < 1338087230 175941 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, if the SYSENTER instruction were in vanilla libc code, there would have to be an extra mechanism for telling the kernel where it is < 1338087244 276982 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like Linux is averse to such mechanisms (*cough* set_robust_list(2) *cough*) < 1338087255 485899 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for set_robust_list < 1338087268 401998 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/172149/ < 1338087268 637399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that in Haskell, you can make up the Kleisli category for Set to be an instance of Category, even though Set cannot be an instance of Monad? < 1338087298 976311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. How can you do that? < 1338087304 592822 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: [vsyscall] is the old non-randomized VDSO-like thing < 1338087349 484855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/CDAB < 1338087465 376898 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using an existential type? < 1338087468 951001 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems kind of od.d < 1338087507 699007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: these days it contains only short sequences like "mov $0x60, %rax; syscall; ret" < 1338087537 263805 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a compatibility layer only, which goes through the slow "real" syscall path < 1338087537 762574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, it does work. < 1338087576 833538 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I can use this for the debugger thing, then. < 1338087585 286736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's true! < 1338087586 952579 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even randomized so it's much nicer. < 1338087594 337027 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a process *could* still unmap it. < 1338087606 534409 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it should work for any "reasonable" program. < 1338087638 472768 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is dumping [vdso]/[vsyscall] such a hassle. :-( < 1338087648 948812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where is zzo38 using an existential type there? < 1338087655 733046 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here's a puzzle: why can you do memcpy(buf, vsyscall, 4096); write(1, buf, 4096); < 1338087662 983866 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338087664 583845 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not write(1, vsyscall, 4096); < 1338087665 648294 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, it's not an existential type. < 1338087675 285409 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Never mind. < 1338087679 830306 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where char *vsyscall = (char*) 0xffffffffff600000) < 1338087683 17669 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was just wondering about that earlier! < 1338087710 538693 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want the answer? < 1338087774 275061 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny part is that the behavior of fwrite() changes depending on whether you printfed some text previously. < 1338087785 929063 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you do then it copies the page into a buffer, I guess. < 1338087788 539540 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, let me see. < 1338087836 345717 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nice! < 1338087845 297712 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think about that < 1338087851 356926 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a strange bug to track down. < 1338087864 913394 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep that one in mind for the devious code contest < 1338087898 854521 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here is my vdso dumper: https://gist.github.com/2799304 < 1338087916 25002 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike vsyscall you don't need an intermediate buffer) < 1338087938 527173 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I parsed /proc/self/maps in C. :-( < 1338087959 68083 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-level languages should have easy unsafe-memory-access primitives! < 1338088048 173996 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i love ctypes! < 1338088057 96081 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at my python vdso dumper < 1338088067 46755 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafe memory access is pretty easy in Haskell, too < 1338088097 2598 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I saw. < 1338088305 213440 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so it's not just because it's a high address. < 1338088504 487718 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not? < 1338088520 448481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just forgot to pass MAP_FIXED to mmap. < 1338088611 556063 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the reason (aiui) is that the kernel checks the pointer argument to 'write' to make sure it's below the user/kernel cutoff < 1338088627 153868 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the generic code which does that doesn't know that userspace is allowed to read this one high-mapped page < 1338088634 495377 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the page tables do know that, so memcpy works fine < 1338088671 219060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gross < 1338088679 612821 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used while (ptr < end) putchar(*ptr); < 1338088726 451728 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptr++ < 1338088727 744644 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1338088755 161243 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1338088770 308014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should fix said generic code < 1338088779 625718 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally, it's gross that the kernel has to duplicate the page table's knowledge about what userspace is allowed to read < 1338088789 710630 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But the performance penalty! < 1338088792 444173 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though linux only does this at a coarse level < 1338088795 59874 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not as if it actually matters. < 1338088800 845747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't care if it slows the system down by half < 1338088803 145341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gross < 1338088811 747217 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you pass a faulting userspace address to write(), that does indeed trigger a pagefault in ring 0 code < 1338088818 546495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it really "have" to do that < 1338088856 392174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pagefault handler knows that faults on certain kernel instructions should translate to "set this flag" rather than "kill the process and BUG the fuck out" < 1338088915 462941 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing access_ok to know about vsyscall is dumb because nobody actually cares and because making that code more complicated will harm security < 1338088924 134510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i care < 1338088928 570929 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the performance wankers would all switch over to ____do_real_access_ok() < 1338088938 699191 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there would be a bug in that < 1338088940 683171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's literally a trivial change to the point of not harming security < 1338088948 30650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's one single page on one platform < 1338088965 720819 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But no one cares. < 1338088966 110396 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should fork linux on github < 1338088968 497104 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make this one change < 1338088977 254258 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And submit a pull request via GitHub! < 1338088984 10023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and post stupid meme images in it < 1338088988 205826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and post it to proggit and hn < 1338088993 355854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait for people to flame linux for being so behind-the-times < 1338088995 456984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1338088996 557307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*linus < 1338088997 320845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing < 1338089010 804049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i might send a patch to lkml < 1338089012 803908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1338089027 267548 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dec eax; mov eax, 0x60; syscall; ret" < 1338089032 977587 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that dec eax for? < 1338089041 187946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it decreases eax by one < 1338089042 315507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this help < 1338089042 797304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1338089045 358493 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You already know the response to the patch will be "no one cares". < 1338089048 351811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for 64-bit stuff < 1338089058 932031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe linus will see it and merge it < 1338089062 336337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know! < 1338089064 158525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they need to decrement eax register there? < 1338089070 19865 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe elliott is right. < 1338089076 777556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't decrement do stuff to the higher part of rax there < 1338089079 76772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1338089080 364711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have anything to do with the flags for zero condition and so on? < 1338089080 930400 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be that that zeros the upper half of the register or something? < 1338089098 196995 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that rax/eax /= eax/ax in that respect. < 1338089101 577028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why i don't like assembly language < 1338089132 189616 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff just like that < 1338089190 415848 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in 64 bit writing to eax zeroes the higher bits < 1338089204 256382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338089207 403713 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why the dec? < 1338089219 21552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to zero the higher bits < 1338089239 71283 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mov also zeroes them < 1338089242 644748 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mov eax, 0x60 do that < 1338089249 840351 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what he said < 1338089251 469062 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an x86 assembly REPL. :-( < 1338089259 323817 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's repl < 1338089260 538440 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where did you find that code < 1338089264 501770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to give it an abbot and costello sense of confusion) < 1338089267 376153 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In [vsyscall]. < 1338089276 495225 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm mine doesn't have < 1338089287 843766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the DOS DEBUG good enough? Maybe not as it is not a proper REPL < 1338089289 544457 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1338089291 358718 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1338089299 588136 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can probably guess what went wrong. :-) < 1338089304 85615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: Repeat enter p-list. It's an x86 instruction. < 1338089305 814313 :cmapernet!~cmiranda@181.28.156.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338089314 389739 :cmapernet!~cmiranda@181.28.156.27 PART :#esoteric < 1338089315 806264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What went wrong? < 1338089316 897736 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wrong disassembly mode? < 1338089318 559769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By cmapernet < 1338089320 745086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e . < 1338089321 316660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338089324 401443 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, dec eax = 48 < 1338089336 371497 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the 64-bit register prefix. < 1338089344 450672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1338089346 73886 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines. < 1338089356 631316 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want an x86 REPL. < 1338089399 348046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338089404 891349 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How's your libcless server going? < 1338089425 539562 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1338089442 109666 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did it do? < 1338089477 155653 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1338089479 601658 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i will share it < 1338089492 489679 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's even more pointlessly "look at how hardcore i am" than most of the stuff i share < 1338089504 393101 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for it to be a sort of easter egg in another thing < 1338089506 852234 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that didn't work out < 1338089512 156616 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now I know why I had to use mmap2() instead of mmap(). < 1338089539 316092 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exciting linux history lesson" < 1338089578 444556 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you using mmap for? < 1338089591 283761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by the way there is a text form of CC0 < 1338089599 936027 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338089601 620275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode.txt < 1338089602 684660 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Allocating memory. < 1338089620 2944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a debugged process, from the debugger.) < 1338089625 864026 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I used the syscall number.) < 1338089626 59259 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1338089629 695247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in case public domain doesn't work in some country < 1338089630 334279 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338089636 77062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also you forgot to waive warranty, see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ#May_I_apply_CC0_to_computer_software.3F_If_so.2C_is_there_a_recommended_implementation.3F < 1338089636 349474 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, that is why CC0 exists < 1338089638 915163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is re autoharden) < 1338089644 322960 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338089647 229585 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was already in there < 1338089668 358971 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i checked < 1338089694 432047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CC0 waive contract rights related to copyright? < 1338089700 807742 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Affirmer offers the Work as-is and makes no epresentations or warranties of any kind concerning the Work, express, implied, statutory or otherwise, including without limitation warranties of title, merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, blah blah blah blah blah" < 1338089703 596205 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up autoharden.
< 1338089712 772602 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, a new MIUAF post. < 1338089720 759471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think the point is to make the warranty disclaimer visible < 1338089725 80727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than at the bottom of a huge license < 1338089727 205795 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1338089728 812389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it might not hold up < 1338089731 959692 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338089732 664436 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1338089739 233026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY YOU WRITE IT ALL IN CAPITALS < 1338089742 381779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the whole "every source file must start with 3 paragraphs of boilerplate" thing < 1338089745 273562 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't do it < 1338089750 463481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ # not doing it < 1338089750 655107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, don't bother adding it to a source file < 1338089752 487495 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one day oracle will sue me for all my meager savings < 1338089757 703280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put the boilerplate text in LICENSE < 1338089764 801654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and download CC0 to CC0.txt or something < 1338089768 991657 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338089772 108146 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a bad idea < 1338089779 599320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't add things to source files either < 1338089780 337367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate that < 1338089786 778413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a court ever rules it's required i'll give up programming < 1338089796 675179 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't you already give up programming? < 1338089797 301628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or switch to writing proprietary software < 1338089800 25361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1338089812 799297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, you might be in a contract to make something you own the copyright to belonging to them instead. But that would be impossible with public domain. < 1338089814 818566 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add a thing to autoconf where it asks you to accept a license. < 1338089820 830994 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a court ever rules it's required i will personally teabag everyone in the courtroom < 1338089827 194125 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checking if user agrees to the license... yes" < 1338089831 516613 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it makes you scroll all the way down to the bottom before giving you "yes/no" options. < 1338089839 718291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or you can start coding underground < 1338089844 462113 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the license is GPLv2 every time. < 1338089851 755210 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like itidus21's idea < 1338089862 640665 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you release software anonymously then nobody can come after you for warranty < 1338089869 966725 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can cultivate a mysterious cult of personality < 1338089882 160287 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh uh.. yeah that was exactly my idea < 1338089895 441360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks around shiftily < 1338089923 877795 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :types text into irc < 1338089965 621242 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :provides self-referential description of activity < 1338090006 853803 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"provides self-referential description of activity when typed in irc" < 1338090013 549625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION breaks the 5th wall.
< 1338090019 547968 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one doesn't even work. < 1338090031 993711 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minding the gap since 1996 < 1338090035 713845 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't this server crashing. :-( < 1338090035 903817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CC0 deal with this problem of contracts at all? < 1338090055 9290 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I got the mysterious crash a second time, but the HTTP request was completely boring. < 1338090069 745071 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: first you must realize, there is no server < 1338090071 63619 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I enabled core dumps (I think) and am stracing everything rather than just network. < 1338090142 472612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mosh is too many files. Can you make it one file instead? < 1338090153 718174 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338090160 26311 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend sqlite.c < 1338090160 950518 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go: http://git.io/o_7nKw < 1338090168 924603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a text file. < 1338090176 627689 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in codepage 437! < 1338090179 293473 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just pass it to base64. < 1338090183 837 :TheJimmyJames!~TheJimmyJ@124.240.120.61 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338090188 99666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cries < 1338090192 782179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a C file < 1338090199 240767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a UTF-8 C file < 1338090211 217279 :TheJimmyJames!~TheJimmyJ@124.240.120.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338090227 103238 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would a contract be able to force you to retract a liscense that gives no conditions under which it may be retracted? I would think that wouldn't make sense. < 1338090228 695208 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C Big Endian < 1338090230 277445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome TheJimmyJames < 1338090233 774564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheJimmyJames: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338090241 220923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://github.com/keithw/mosh/issues/120 +1 +1 +1 < 1338090272 448170 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x +1 +1 +1 < 1338090272 980723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3 +) < 1338090277 99169 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thambdabot < 1338090304 354923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: another mosh question for you!!! < 1338090310 24200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the mosh client build on Windows? < 1338090327 347222 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mosh windows < 1338090328 769859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2011/01/05/are-mosh-and-jupiter-windows-8s-killer-features/ < 1338090328 971013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Are ‘Mosh’ and ‘Jupiter’ Windows 8′s killer features? - The Next Web < 1338090332 316944 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh: Windows 8's killer feature < 1338090371 395360 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current Mosh 1.2 release candidate officially supports building from source on Cygwin. Please try it and report back with any problems." - kmcallister "kmc" mckmc < 1338090398 183892 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lambdabot.. you have really outdone yourself < 1338090423 809166 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«According to Paul, Mosh is a “new tile-based user interface.”» < 1338090503 623085 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google according to paul < 1338090506 98223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/freebiblecommentary/pdf/EN/VOL05.pdf < 1338090528 12175 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thfornothingambdabot < 1338090536 991540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Cygwin doesn't count. < 1338090549 426066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does MinGW count? < 1338090556 246436 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"immersive apps" wat < 1338090558 414229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338090590 471603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love immersive apps < 1338090595 417560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm immersed in an app < 1338090599 162683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly < 1338090627 979891 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's like 1½ years old < 1338090668 594112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh i was getting mosh confused with mush < 1338090673 696051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks kmc. < 1338090683 299762 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CGI is such a mess. < 1338090688 307645 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, the so called mosh and jupiter stuff are metro < 1338090690 721414 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ih8u cgi :'(" < 1338090696 339335 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and winrt < 1338090705 842016 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also programs that are written in C are such a mess. < 1338090729 667728 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1338090730 91119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does CWEB make it better? < 1338090730 942272 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badly, that is. < 1338090756 12490 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elegance is not a dispensable luxury but a quality that decides between success and failure" -- Edsger W. Dijkstra < 1338090759 200497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is wrong with CGI? < 1338090764 923007 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, as much as this is the kind of thing i *want* to be true < 1338090766 605760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thkmc. < 1338090772 731024 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really believe it is < 1338090785 45612 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you read "decides" to mean "has some small influence" < 1338090789 920685 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but if you want to write cpu efficient code then C++ is practically the only way < 1338090794 847045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338090802 306214 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or define "success" to be "producing an elegant system" < 1338090812 523826 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1338090813 635034 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: um,,,,,asm!!!! < 1338090814 317249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write CPU efficient code, there is assembly language. But that is only for the specific CPU. < 1338090820 573480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not helping!!!! < 1338090822 108994 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: "gotta get close to that hard ware" < 1338090830 12 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For working with many computers, you use C or LLVM. < 1338090834 470458 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware is within 2 feet < 1338090837 799377 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Overoptimizing for elegance often has an influence in the opposite direction. :-) < 1338090839 546151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :responding to messages that take a message referring to C and then refer to C++ in response considered "dumb" < 1338090841 569629 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware is within 1 inch < 1338090845 738292 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardware is within 1 um < 1338090851 821997 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I dislike about Haskell: rewriting code into the IO monad is annoying < 1338090856 96528 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the u is a mu i just cant type mus < 1338090860 855758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: don't do that < 1338090866 415626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually) < 1338090872 324724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How do you mean? < 1338090896 710724 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: most programs don't need maximum CPU efficiency < 1338090907 686798 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the ones that do, they need it only in a small fraction of the code < 1338090915 934781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really going to start a serious argument in reply to that statement < 1338090921 161957 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338090922 708828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really #esoteric < 1338090923 479037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1338090923 675329 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1338090934 125800 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my argument not serious :'( < 1338090935 57944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept yr apology < 1338090940 172983 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, for my own personal amusement, writing an IRC bot framework. The obvious way is have a String -> String function that runs the bot, and internal modules in the State monad. < 1338090949 516325 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't be efficient without templates! < 1338090954 39102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's the wrong way, fwiw < 1338090957 999390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: TeX: The Program does describe some things needing much efficiently in the "inner loop" < 1338090958 557400 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: um,,,,,,asm doesn't have tempalte!!!!! < 1338090959 843448 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1338090960 477009 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is it cpu efficient < 1338090963 516481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/adbrr/onqy/ < 1338090964 495477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start you're depending on lazy io off the bat which is probably not a good idea < 1338090968 394334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1338090968 963604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1338090974 133412 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, of course, the modules cannot do IO themselves < 1338090980 61399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338090985 473260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you designed wrong < 1338090988 468646 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: templates are far from the hardware and slow!!! ! < 1338091006 299688 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik asm is barely faster on out of order architectures < 1338091007 10413 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Then why does C++ have them? < 1338091008 611076 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHECKMATE < 1338091012 721356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use (StateT s IO) monad if you will do IO too < 1338091013 272248 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing SIMD < 1338091018 331931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(This is analogous to screen, in which C-a a sends a literal C-a. The reason this is a good idea is so sending the escape character through a stack of n moshes or screens doesn’t take 2^n keystrokes.)" < 1338091022 469445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now you have n problems < 1338091023 790349 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuffing them inside StateT foo IO is the correct way to make them able to do IO < 1338091033 480973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: for certain values of correct, sure < 1338091038 817975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateT foo IO is often a bad idea < 1338091040 791751 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you suggest? < 1338091043 970665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends < 1338091048 744351 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: im checkmate :[ < 1338091051 744406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't model a bot as String -> String in the first place < 1338091055 380481 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1338091061 911784 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but an IRC conversation is. < 1338091062 335574 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~c++ enlighten me~ < 1338091063 716595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or String -> IO String (<-- this wouldn't work at all actually) < 1338091067 390905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i disagree < 1338091078 790173 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: larrytheliquid wrote an IRC bot in Agda!!!!!! < 1338091088 307571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wrote/modeled/ < 1338091090 259478 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true, string -> string ignroes timing, for one thing. < 1338091092 808019 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/modeled/sort of modeled/ < 1338091095 587586 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ignores < 1338091099 324399 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: You take advantage of laziness. < 1338091103 558530 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also interact < 1338091115 138960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338091118 403771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not laziness < 1338091119 576759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's lazy IO < 1338091123 277155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is completely separate from laziness < 1338091124 588077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a Bad Idea < 1338091134 294918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for anything other than toy programs, at least) < 1338091144 773767 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it a Bad Idea? < 1338091149 453625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :various reasons < 1338091152 150308 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unfortunately too going to bed to talk about bots now. < 1338091157 351198 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 NICK :MSleep < 1338091163 316552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some semantic iffiness < 1338091168 807304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more practically < 1338091174 85252 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it's just like i'm back in #haskell < 1338091174 684143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it destroys more or less any hope of reasonable resource management < 1338091185 922374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's my present for your apology < 1338091257 192663 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338091263 675191 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1338091284 289249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you never know when the resources get cleaned up) < 1338091290 235062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's tied to when a certain piece of pure data is evaluated) < 1338091294 495524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is fun fun fun) < 1338091305 362358 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shachaf: i think that the most efficient way to code is to magically never have to refer back to previously written code. in addition it should all be written in shorthand. < 1338091317 251080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the reason StateT foo IO is often a bad idea is because it works just as well to use MVars/TVars inside IO < 1338091326 819691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is required if you, e.g. ever want any kind of concurrency < 1338091329 281012 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: use 1 letter variable names so the computer can read them faster < 1338091335 963145 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except you have to pass the MVars around!!!!!! < 1338091342 43827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ReaderT (MVar foo) IO!!!!! < 1338091346 781604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler is: sometimes passing them around is easier < 1338091360 664604 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReaderT (hi monqy) IO < 1338091368 310350 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The monqy.Reader < 1338091373 243655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: anyway i would probably model an irc bot as Conduit IRCMessage IO IRCMessage or something but ha ha it is probably not best to learn conduits right now < 1338091378 680916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or enumerators or pipes or w / e) < 1338091383 690555 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (compare `on` take 3) "monqy" "monad" < 1338091384 689120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : EQ < 1338091387 909606 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence? < 1338091402 774660 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only assume that new iteratee libraries have been invented at a rate of roughly one per day since i stopped paying attention < 1338091413 310156 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the tubulon iteratoolios are the best < 1338091427 4070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were around for conduits and pipes kmc < 1338091456 17032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway\ < 1338091456 507607 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :loud pipes save lives < 1338091465 393779 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1338091465 641261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any hope of the mosh client compiling for windows without cygwin < 1338091467 231039 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm serious of course. a preference for elegance isn't a personality flaw, but just a mathematical problem waiting to be analyzed. < 1338091467 502082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1338091468 983003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$// < 1338091477 369426 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if someone who knows and cares about windows makes it happen, sure < 1338091487 500527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: great! i am neither of these things < 1338091491 277916 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the current core mosh developers know windows or care about windows or like windows < 1338091494 944826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rephrase: how many posix calls does mosh use < 1338091502 794594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're happy to take patches though < 1338091505 279614 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a fair number < 1338091509 285537 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is POSIX! < 1338091539 826360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subtext is: i wish there was like a putty fork with mosh support so it was more useful to me < 1338091558 208572 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding should be done in such a way that simply don't have to look back on code which has been written, ever. < 1338091561 30306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really subtext < 1338091566 188164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "the real thing is:" < 1338091578 212799 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ……… < 1338091597 607905 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how much do you actually code in Haskell? < 1338091608 89794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott uses Windows? < 1338091611 373125 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338091643 629759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, so, working on Human 2.0 to try to make that possible? < 1338091661 132124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write once, read never! < 1338091688 792200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1338091698 177162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, suppose that there's a bug... < 1338091707 78179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 99% of the new programs i write are haskell < 1338091712 42241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i don't program much right now < 1338091714 9749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i program lots < 1338091714 469176 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1338091718 389016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i don't program much at all < 1338091724 612139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when i do it's usually patching someone else's code or haskell < 1338091729 500746 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1338091730 351867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i toy about in haskell a bit < 1338091736 594170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well.. < 1338091738 109995 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep wondering how you retain all this stuff < 1338091738 956098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have also answered a lot of haskell questions on stack overflow :p < 1338091755 41971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's been like... 3, 4 years since i started programming haskell < 1338091769 429629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also i used to hang out in #haskell a lot (but i don't recommend doing this any more) < 1338091804 165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell is interesting now if you can answer all the newbie questions that come up quickly, identify and ignore terrible stuff, and like talking to people who know haskell a lot, but not so much if you're not already experienced < 1338091825 743161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what they do? < 1338091841 177203 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem is that (like everyone else) i want to explain things *my* way < 1338091849 238222 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i got sick of fighting about which explanation is best < 1338091849 946423 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually, Conduit doesn't look so bad < 1338091857 924738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question of how to make (IO x) into (x) is very common by people who do not understand Haskell < 1338091865 848462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes. (conduit is wrong in several respects) < 1338091868 189796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but other libraries are wrong too) < 1338091888 185755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main reason not to learn conduit now is because there are like 4 libraries for doing roughly the same thing right now) < 1338091908 455404 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338092180 490251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a server that just does ssh authentication but isn't tied to unix users < 1338092189 614733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of starting a shell just starts a command with the info it got or such < 1338092197 751048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has a separate user/password/pubkey database < 1338092263 317700 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The question of whether Machines Can Think... is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim." ~ Edsger W. Dijkstra < 1338092319 459392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does seem a similar kind of question < 1338092364 756532 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh this one more edgy < 1338092392 759122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't blame me for the fact that competent programming, as I view it as an intellectual possibility, will be too difficult for "the average programmer" � you must not fall into the trap of rejecting a surgical technique because it is beyond the capabilities of the barber in his shop around the corner." ~ Edsger W. Dijkstra < 1338092397 207992 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless you suggest me a good library to use ima go do something stupid < 1338092414 415472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1338092427 757303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about stupid things in haskell is that they break :P < 1338092438 923749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should model the bot as String -> String and use unsafePerformIO internally!!! < 1338092451 592371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many exclamation marks do i need to convey sarcasm!!!!!!! < 1338092482 155788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1338092511 108033 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but the question about the breakage is where they break < 1338092512 716504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many < 1338092523 358738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1338092543 986689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now added support for timers and time limits to Internet Quiz Engine. < 1338092550 958216 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, do they break before or after I am done with them < 1338092679 1925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :before usually < 1338092887 261506 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1338092895 164831 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean specifically when will I encounter that :) < 1338092906 443038 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you recommend against conduit, then? < 1338092971 589140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like "abstract nonsense"? < 1338092999 270243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use conduit < 1338093005 448813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't learn it at the stage I imagine you're at < 1338093028 78916 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338093033 949233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Internet Quiz Engine? < 1338093087 456178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1338093105 639409 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm slightly more advanced than you seem to think. < 1338093113 649745 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it really does not look all that hard. < 1338093118 943497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't that hard < 1338093128 711016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would still not recommend learning it < 1338093137 200230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especialyl since you'll need to use supporting libraries to pull off an irc bot effectively with it < 1338093141 490127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*especially < 1338093162 641504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can your question be modelled in lambda calculus? < 1338093163 777127 :TheJimmyJames!~TheJimmyJ@124.240.120.61 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338093180 29318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Probably not. < 1338093203 908746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i either say yes or no or nothing < 1338093246 883740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is TheJimmyJames? < 1338093306 399924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you like Internet Quiz Engine? Yes" becomes "You like Internet Quiz engine."; "Do you like Internet Quiz Engine? No" becomes "You don't like Internet Quiz engine."; "Do you like Internet Quiz Engine?" remains "Do you like Internet Quiz Engine?" < 1338093313 302525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously im insane < 1338093374 298220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338093375 130023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously most people in this channel (myself included) are somewhat insane < 1338093382 591117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338093434 508670 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what sort of supporting libraries? Now that I look, the obvious thing seems to connect TCP =$= parser =$= bot logic =$= formatter =$= TCP < 1338093448 628490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing the parser will be a pain without e.g. attoparsec-conduit < 1338093451 98094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :formatter will be easier but < 1338093468 288354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have irc stuff for conduit written but i've been perennially terrible in getting it to hackage < 1338093476 565298 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What do you think of O_DIRECT? < 1338093493 240987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about it < 1338093498 956365 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: therefore it doesn't exist qed < 1338093508 241608 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it the devil. < 1338093519 813976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1338093655 970616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selector strings are quiz.menu*a (type 1) for the Internet Quiz Engine main menu, and textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt (type 0) for the comparison chart < 1338093770 409991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you looked at the quiz editor on OkCupid and/or played any quizzes on OkCupid? Internet Quiz Engine actually has many similarities < 1338094226 379337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_ < 1338094228 514539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Quiz Engine is free and open source software, it is written in C, it has no advertising or other annoyances, supports time limits, has versatile questions/responses/results, no registration is required, supports skipping conditional questions, can upload/download the quiz files, and uses low bandwidth. < 1338094259 193423 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1338094298 866848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these features do not exist in any of the other programs I have reviewed. < 1338094366 302656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines < 1338094400 220408 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember itidus21 you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines < 1338094400 416989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1338094473 905294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1338094506 980825 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning is largely subjective < 1338094529 549065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Linux is also free and open source software written in C, but is that what you meant? < 1338094545 444144 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should've used `addquote. :-( < 1338094560 911974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you use `addquote if that is what you want < 1338094562 972662 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what evs < 1338094572 867905 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1338094575 57844 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like "linux torvalds" < 1338094577 154452 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> w/e < 1338094578 373174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : w / e < 1338094583 794302 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> o . o < 1338094584 547559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a -> b' < 1338094584 745459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `Simple... < 1338094595 752588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f . f < 1338094596 356043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f b)) < 1338094596 636263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M6020407245... < 1338094637 907791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao.. i just got that < 1338094747 686705 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines < 1338094750 812461 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :845) you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines < 1338094976 122263 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, this is Linux Torvalds, and I pronounce Linus as Linus. < 1338095126 224013 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliptic: Try AuNO instead of FeDK! < 1338095157 521267 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/elliptic/elliott/ < 1338095164 644724 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold > iron; norway > denmark; qed < 1338095207 356683 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: alternatively, just hackage your goddamn IRC stuff ;) < 1338095212 509637 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: also wake ais up < 1338095219 553543 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to complain to him < 1338095225 608103 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's auno < 1338095228 679660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source codes for Internet Quiz Engine is 9KB; I don't know how long the codes of the other programs are since I have not seen them, but I guess most of them are probably longer and less efficient, because they want to add advertising and all sorts of HTML stuff, and some people write bad codes in general, and other reasons < 1338095228 875365 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 wake up < 1338095229 261544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338095237 352454 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: gold; norway < 1338095246 730336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Periodic Table of Elements on the wall in my bedroom < 1338095258 313887 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok < 1338095259 347114 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is Internet Quiz Engine written in C? < 1338095277 959539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. You can even look at the source-codes if you want to. < 1338095281 372254 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1338095312 205427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From quiz.menu*d < 1338095331 546985 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wget quiz.menu*d < 1338095331 742870 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1338095335 633336 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2012-05-26 22:08:48-- http://quiz.menu*d/ < 1338095335 829466 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resolving quiz.menu*d (quiz.menu*d)... failed: Name or service not known. < 1338095335 829659 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: unable to resolve host address `quiz.menu*d' < 1338095343 55900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong! < 1338095368 651508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try using this command instead: echo 'quiz.menu*d' | nc zzo38computer.cjb.net 70 > inquiz.w < 1338095381 631683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need nc -q -1 depending on the version of netcat < 1338095476 854998 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1338095484 993075 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined behavior when you call inquiz with argc==0 ! < 1338095510 408980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: True, but it is never called that way. < 1338095522 362897 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untrue! < 1338095526 419850 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just called it that way. < 1338095531 272420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no! < 1338095538 26868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get an error! < 1338095540 626734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a mistake. < 1338095548 783745 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the error calls printf with %s, NULL. < 1338095557 568245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes. < 1338095585 919104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. Well, still, it will never be called that way when properly installed. < 1338095785 651480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is not meant to be run from the command-line; it won't work that way. It should run from a gopher server with the argument specifying the name of the configuration file, and the environment variable SELECTOR containing the selector string. < 1338095801 591500 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECTOR=hi < 1338095909 424914 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just as a good bitmap renderer is best shown off with a landscape photo or a renaissance painting, the proof is in the pudding so to speak < 1338095914 492940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can, of course, set the SELECTOR using the command-line (you need export as well), but it doesn't really work well that way. Still, if you want to, you can make up a shell script or something else that sets SELECTOR and then formats the choices on the screen for local mode < 1338095931 333014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quiz engine lives off a diet of good quizzes < 1338095979 478050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: True; currently there are only two files other than the example file, and that is why I ask you to add some if you have anything to add < 1338096055 38013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a motivated individual i am not < 1338096095 37745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its easier on my brains than most other topics < 1338096097 996960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, when I have some to add, I can add it myself; but usually I have none, so other people can add some instead if they can write some to add. < 1338096191 674040 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the atom of the quiz is a multiple choice question, right? < 1338096203 647797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes. < 1338096425 462957 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fictional city of Midgar and Pacman were both inspired by this: a)chocolate b)pasta c)pizza d)mushrooms < 1338096456 687801 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike mushrooms. chocolate,pasta,pizza can be good. < 1338096477 457733 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "gasp" < 1338096485 732027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's easy.. and maybe even a little dumb.. but that is the greatest quiz question the world has ever seen < 1338096488 775391 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: gasp < 1338096524 223111 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what's the answer ? < 1338096548 85193 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll provide pictures! < 1338096554 598160 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e)all of the above < 1338096556 956988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, it is a valid question which can be included in a quiz file if you want to, but a single question is not so good. Ask if you don't understand how. < 1338096583 862113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a pizza with a slice cut out? < 1338096600 120035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres midgar: http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/midgar.jpg < 1338096616 880436 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what about::::::: < 1338096620 77422 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom pizza? < 1338096623 793836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Midgar < 1338096631 567238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ew, mushrooms!!! < 1338096635 173499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O, yes, pizza can have mushrooms on it too < 1338096635 386799 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so dark < 1338096636 748260 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at the picture then you know it < 1338096651 904248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a pasta < 1338096654 195001 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I right ? < 1338096660 288995 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tes < 1338096661 167392 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338096667 196386 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338096668 770935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mushroom pasta?? < 1338096669 338599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What kind of pasta? < 1338096676 328223 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338096685 563387 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like clouds? < 1338096689 752221 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338096693 506620 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ABOUT: MUSHROOM CLOUDS?? < 1338096697 941907 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338096709 683427 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've checkmated me!! < 1338096711 999784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe, but what I mean by "What kind of pasta?", like, spaghetti, tortellini, bowtie pasta, short pasta, etc < 1338096726 524184 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you like 5-HT agonists? < 1338096726 791276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/106/a/4/Mario_Mushroom_Cloud_by_shadowmcr.jpg < 1338096740 827089 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's that < 1338096741 21759 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc does, right? < 1338096744 840884 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Ask kmc. < 1338096746 958933 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the internet has everything < 1338096759 767643 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't outthink it < 1338096761 40409 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's a 5-ht antagonists < 1338096787 524976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said agonist not antagonist < 1338096797 336866 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Actually I mean 5-HT_2A agonists. < 1338096799 445526 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's a 5-ht agonists < 1338096808 246584 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's a 5-ht-2a agonists < 1338096853 680134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's not a typo cos i remember there was this guy in a chatroom named agonistic < 1338096951 934155 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's agonism < 1338097025 517073 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338097050 358654 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrr: Ask kmc. < 1338097157 213800 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the bible testament < 1338097159 317087 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a gem < 1338097182 482782 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sell it, will you get money ? < 1338097189 593799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear gems do that < 1338097190 120176 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the bible testament once < 1338097203 324271 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You can sell 5-HT_2A agonists for money. < 1338097206 930594 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's usually illegal. :-( < 1338097212 292150 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1338097220 386774 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what those are !! < 1338097226 794171 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask kmc. < 1338097232 393338 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, after i asked kmc < 1338097255 407749 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i didn't ask kmc < 1338097364 600216 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ion 178460 games for hugeterm: 103206x Sebi, 8951x KiloByte, 8081x heteroy, 4165x Johan, 3489x ion < 1338097365 50993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338097375 63584 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ion you are one of the most prolific hugetermers ever. cease your evil. < 1338097375 785695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338097389 929730 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm < 1338097403 8103 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a hugepage :'( < 1338097716 470023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tux Paint was designed in such a way that the user does not need to understand the underlying operating system or how to deal with files. < 1338097769 284485 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338097996 143616 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahah < 1338098750 282282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, have you seen Codelink? It's apparently a free (not sure if as in beer or speech) hollywood hacking game < 1338098767 935293 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338098833 593566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. think it's online multiplayer too < 1338098946 777181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goonies never say die!" (on the about page) < 1338098956 427022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that really speaks to the professionalism of the author < 1338098965 918718 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338099009 293473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy, ads < 1338099076 783206 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1338099088 31754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Attempting to access game content from any means other than the Codelink Game itself will result in a server ban for life." < 1338099108 901105 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only one account can be active per IP address." < 1338099128 147393 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338099160 318638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make an account if someone's looking over your shoulders, the password fields don't obscure the password < 1338099170 880580 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338099179 758171 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good game < 1338099220 182063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to do my typical "crap password" routine, those are still too valuable for me to trust to this place < 1338099236 119227 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crapper password < 1338099244 427178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion about minimum wage? < 1338099276 798496 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do squarelos/robin < 1338099285 487575 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy will be proud < 1338099289 116325 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338099322 174354 :madbrr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1338099353 354121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am against minimum wage. < 1338099357 629634 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338099815 993426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why is an email client in the hardware section? < 1338099832 140971 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338099854 188461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION connects to 0.128.0.1
< 1338099931 803914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll play with it later < 1338099949 518882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only tutorial is a video tutorial < 1338100871 595285 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338101859 634860 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338102152 973273 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338102171 67263 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1338102171 449267 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1338102171 449413 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338103641 874719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338104267 152301 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338104429 851676 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338104482 802710 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatashuXantheres: You should name my branch! < 1338105425 485810 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-56.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338105434 444597 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338107380 635130 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your branch a branch of < 1338107409 644337 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: Crawlliott < 1338107431 296421 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was completely useless, I appreciate it < 1338107442 575136 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want from me < 1338107483 689708 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliots-crawl < 1338107862 966500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott's Crawl II: a branch of no name < 1338108137 301816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-215.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338108151 360946 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-151-56.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338108206 638069 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring my previous one < 1338108241 850618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being Not So Much A Derivative As An Improvement Upon Crawl. < 1338108345 650790 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1338108346 346281 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: not giving up it's time slot do? interpret esolangs? < 1338108606 694126 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl_r6527 < 1338108645 891028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Crawl < 1338108746 522291 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338108890 439481 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338108904 929155 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A strange occurance by which one attempts to eat a tomato raw rather than use it in fish burgers < 1338108943 758485 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338109002 433073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awfully bitter the tomato < 1338109045 673910 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its amazing how good the sauces made from them taste < 1338109078 147206 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "the tornado" < 1338109102 23222 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338109113 100802 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338109113 291854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338109114 615470 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Phantom_Hoover evaporate into sun < 1338109137 523574 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338109208 725588 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338109210 922354 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover < 1338109213 43013 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaporate into sun < 1338109228 972399 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of salt, butter and toast and they're the greatest food ever invented < 1338109236 775331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, bread? < 1338109252 559116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomatos(tomatoes) < 1338109262 208964 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know: I know the man who invented tomatoes? < 1338109267 426985 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesser-known monqy fact < 1338109271 697435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's old now, of course < 1338109287 83736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on their own they're rubbish < 1338109301 732355 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was it you < 1338109307 37680 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338109307 919095 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im old < 1338109311 181384 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1338109316 957835 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1338109317 364171 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to be! < 1338109326 247445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means you can wear oldman clothes < 1338109335 263200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love oldman clothes < 1338109344 50745 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young i could not wear oldman clothes < 1338109345 672783 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i can < 1338109349 600201 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all the reason i need < 1338109350 818590 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be old < 1338109360 725728 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1338109377 414102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i need to find visual context to oldman clothes < 1338109386 353298 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to google < 1338109418 347943 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha 1)cardigans worn with shirts < 1338109443 883996 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very stylish ! < 1338109454 116299 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldmans have all the luck < 1338109459 593707 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i am an oldman < 1338109491 856554 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sportscoats < 1338109515 15820 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldmans luck strikes again < 1338109558 193859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus style polo shirts < 1338109573 559405 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*linux < 1338109621 222397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if that counts as a subverted trope :-D < 1338109626 169125 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-110.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338109628 873081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-215.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338109655 51948 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338109659 933786 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldmans are very subversive I'll have you know < 1338109685 808008 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this... http://www.plefka.net/images/GrandpaChair.gif you get to wear all these things on comfy chairs < 1338109705 411534 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get that creepo kid out of my face!! < 1338109708 187060 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop looking at me!! < 1338109716 334926 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*stare < 1338109718 619875 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's you monqy < 1338109723 15730 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's you < 1338109723 884616 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past < 1338109724 959145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :349) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1338109725 501850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty eye sockets < 1338109728 297480 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338109729 224443 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong quote < 1338109731 725535 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote many eyes < 1338109735 618264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :590) Dear god stop staring at me. no never monqy is always staring at everyone. it takes many eyes to do this but I manage He is an inspiration to us all. < 1338109760 29266 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1338109767 663461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the kids eyes are transparent < 1338109775 766409 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he a ghost < 1338109777 309558 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i a ghost < 1338109778 458761 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past < 1338109781 981255 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338109791 635021 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1338109796 252513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed for display on a white background < 1338109796 443983 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338109801 296107 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no itidus21 < 1338109802 946541 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you "ruined it" < 1338109813 323125 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "ruined" < 1338109843 148276 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent deduction itidus21 ! < 1338109851 989742 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite.. the very idea that they would leave the eyes transparent itself is quite creepy < 1338109863 297410 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im creeped < 1338109885 449871 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could play some kind of fire animation behind them < 1338109899 398150 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy < 1338109972 240924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should avoid this https://ssl.catalog.com/~pennviewvisuals.biz/store/images/Grandpa%20&%20Bradley.jpg < 1338109981 473680 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im creeped < 1338110023 136565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill try and get back to the topic < 1338110041 268211 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338110066 466076 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't < 1338110106 890276 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres those woolen tops with the boring patterns you get to wear.. the flat-coloured tracksuits, the flanelette shirts < 1338110135 495888 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338110150 555792 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the berets, the slippers < 1338110210 377294 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thick glasses, and a pipe < 1338110246 1141 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i get to wear a toupee, or am I too old for that < 1338110249 824834 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338110252 992818 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does my pipe blow bubbles < 1338110303 545333 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338110332 500731 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey < 1338111384 350187 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BB1C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338111884 40142 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338111990 709954 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338112026 344890 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi everybody < 1338112036 418086 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338112096 284001 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott_ < 1338112100 786701 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338112182 940745 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm curios, what do you think about this "Haskell Curry proposed combinatory logic as a logica universalis, but it ran into inconsistency problems.  (I'm trying to use fuzzy-probabilistic truth values to get around that problem, but that's a different topic.)" < 1338112204 788105 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you mean by it < 1338112228 173201 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not my statement, somebody else < 1338112232 80665 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the point is that "combinatory logic is tc" then yes sure < 1338112240 932223 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the fuzzy stuff is about, sounds like nonsense < 1338112267 423118 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is my opinion too < 1338112291 950906 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean sure fuzzy logic is a thing, i have no idea how it relates to the consistency of a computational system interpreted as a logic at all though < 1338112336 209101 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo is no connection, are two different formlisms < 1338112379 143109 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are few other things there, http://geniferology.blogspot.com/ < 1338112395 328273 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unification - the calculus of concepts < 1338112441 268962 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, AGI and an aforementioned statement about formal logic that makes no sense < 1338112445 400383 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quackery meter just exploded < 1338112482 727026 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same feeling here < 1338112509 103836 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pictures are pretty, though! < 1338112557 107075 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably are from some books < 1338112566 112020 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i mean the software ones < 1338112569 381009 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mWGkAr1Xo5Y/TH3kkjFPUjI/AAAAAAAAAag/O_IrFTLIagA/s1600/dannhyperassociativemap.png like this < 1338112666 580434 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some software, http://code.google.com/p/genifer/ < 1338112689 31222 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338112704 733634 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/genifer/source/browse/haskell/Genifer.lhs yep, sure is a unification algorithm < 1338112920 605761 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard for me to read haskell now, :) i didn't use it last two years at all < 1338113136 688361 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't separate latex from haskell, :) < 1338113189 686102 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more latex than haskell there :p < 1338113253 55853 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338113254 821221 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-23.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338113261 306582 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-110.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338113269 428847 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338113502 241963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll show him quackery < 1338113514 516288 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote itidus < 1338113517 256209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :446) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception \ 469) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 470) itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him. < 1338113555 962108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338113587 460718 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 446 < 1338113590 368405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :446) to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception < 1338113598 643166 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1338113747 334 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338113798 606329 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm right when i say that genifer blog is a nonsense from begining to end? < 1338113862 142238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: oh im just trying to show that i am a quack. < 1338113891 263122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am otherwise clueless < 1338113901 300905 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: most of it looks like nonsense to me < 1338113909 479441 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some stuff that makes sense but nothing of particular value < 1338113915 258913 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't lose any sleep over understanding it :p < 1338114023 677395 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this look like a new religion, is annoying < 1338114084 869272 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: probably he has lots of mental problems. < 1338114110 958764 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338114153 708520 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338114509 147556 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the posts says "posted by YKY" .. and this is the profile of YKY http://www.blogger.com/profile/15037419974603456698 < 1338114576 254325 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the leader of the group < 1338114582 231143 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under his interests is life extension < 1338114590 949864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia defines life extension as: Life extension science, also known as anti-aging medicine, experimental gerontology, and biomedical gerontology, is the study of slowing down or reversing the processes of aging to extend both the maximum and average lifespan. < 1338114643 845887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whats with his ridiculous pic.. who does he think he is :P < 1338114648 194548 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little napoleon, imo < 1338114700 296847 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok NOW look heer :o http://cybernetic1.blogspot.com.au/ < 1338114722 465683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :posted by YKY "I was locked up in a mental hospital for ~3 weeks, " < 1338114751 781303 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try two years ago to join the group but i give up when somebody said that YKY 'decide everything' < 1338114759 622706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he has been in a mental hospital!! < 1338114783 48109 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wander why they release him < 1338114804 943034 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his interest is extending lifespan < 1338114815 175479 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338114825 269763 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338115368 494727 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1338115370 569678 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am not typical of this channel at all. and my own journals are a bit off the wall kind of like yky i suppose < 1338115394 355934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i can admit i'm odd < 1338115432 497537 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't understand the topics of this channel. < 1338115561 575 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm odd too, :) < 1338115575 862294 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338115584 525231 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wow, I search for a urxvt problem and get a mosh issue opened by you. < 1338115589 295895 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think mr yky understands his own topics either. < 1338115610 427716 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you still talking about that silly blog? < 1338115659 148815 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_: i made the fascinating discovery that the guy who runs it has spent time in a mental hospital < 1338115660 943865 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-23.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338115662 751428 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-88.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338115674 379129 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have I. < 1338115680 860081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338115688 134692 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats also fasinctating < 1338115750 510560 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you didn't make a major simplification in the unification algo published in AIMA, :) < 1338115759 949350 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could!!!! < 1338115765 807170 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And THEN where would we be? < 1338115811 554130 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that your could make sense, this guy just collect words from some books to impress people < 1338115837 131454 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: i think what he is doing is thinking aloud to himself via a blog.. < 1338115878 843851 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you care? < 1338115913 396473 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people from his group are really nice and have potential but ... < 1338115946 884068 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my friends told me about this < 1338115989 255279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i think he is as nuts as me.. < 1338115990 153671 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care, i ask to be sure that i'm not mad, :) < 1338116019 970646 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you saw some of my absurd rants you would think thats cause for concern < 1338116118 58907 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you show me one i promise i will tell you my opinion, honestly, :) < 1338116151 699614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A strange occurance by which one attempts to eat a tomato raw rather than use it in fish burgers awfully bitter the tomato its amazing how good the sauces made from them taste < 1338116185 180779 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think that the most efficient way to code is to magically never have to refer back to previously written code. in addition it should all be written in shorthand. < 1338116299 231011 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is difficult to translate for me, i miss some details, but look like a matter of taste, nothing weird, imo < 1338116308 709546 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... < 1338116367 725768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's amazing what the imagination will come up with to replace lack of knowledge of a subject < 1338116370 213845 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, i'm curios how can be done < 1338116433 607974 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new code, not refering means not reusing, that means reinventing over and over again? < 1338116453 395232 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking bullshit, you see < 1338116469 399800 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::), nice < 1338116484 814880 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quite often that people say things which are wrong < 1338116508 573919 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm doing this too < 1338116552 48909 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i don't understand mathematics and YKY certainly doesn't either < 1338116562 265998 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338116727 975358 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to know what i know, :) i think most of my life i learn, :) < 1338116981 628825 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338117416 599238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338117944 227942 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338118030 965661 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Taneb < 1338118378 35873 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338118998 77959 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338119025 150455 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338119289 369977 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-145-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338119294 810055 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-227-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338119566 164902 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338119591 262081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1338119591 262160 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1338119591 262237 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1338119591 262377 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1338119599 240077 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338120082 375576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing an old game: < 1338120088 536860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reccomended disk space: 50 MP < 1338120091 743899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* MB < 1338120093 62050 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4294966277 MB available < 1338120131 895354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 MB is quite much, too. < 1338120164 149760 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ambitious 1997 game < 1338120173 598514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-65.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338120178 198788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-145-176.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338120395 16811 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1997.. < 1338120411 317068 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was before I lived in Australia < 1338120442 459794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how posting one word with a trailing ellipsis convey drama < 1338120610 177230 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it on this list? http://www.csoon.com/top10097.htm < 1338120632 290617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No...! < 1338120651 709493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Games released late in the year will have less votes. " whatever that means < 1338120656 495780 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1338120777 452912 :Zetro!~Zetro@zetro.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338120971 326956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338120971 517659 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338121295 387215 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338122303 145080 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338122851 588541 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i bumped into an anarcho-capitalist on reddit < 1338122876 341258 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oh no' < 1338122897 442083 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awful < 1338123072 588814 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anarcho-capitalism is the second worst kind of anarchy < 1338123078 873449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1338123080 176476 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338123080 595121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338123083 811032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good < 1338123088 173892 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what's the worst < 1338123096 908457 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarcho-I'm in charge now < 1338123117 957477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. Doctor Horrible's Singalong Blog < 1338123133 385781 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of anarchism have you heard of country named Free Territory? < 1338123142 812762 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1338123149 431605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338123160 785623 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it where people go to escape uk anti-free speech < 1338123220 485772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my high speed wikipedia reading, it was disestablished in 1921 < 1338123260 58020 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by soviet union claiming it was ruled by dictatorship < 1338123291 409693 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Free Territory was only communistic contry that was really communist) < 1338123461 469669 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was anarcho-communistic state that had freedom of speech, press, assembly and unions and real democracy < 1338123832 723481 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /dev/dsp < 1338123835 385792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/dev/dsp < 1338123855 48302 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp < 1338123857 593893 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory < 1338123861 956625 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp < 1338123865 30441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied < 1338123902 290680 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why are you running bash? < 1338123924 373468 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because bash is better than you. < 1338123968 465872 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is slow and bloated. why don't just use ash? < 1338124056 53961 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338124061 73054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1338124400 960494 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338124411 573974 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@cpc15-sgyl29-2-0-cust133.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338124411 765101 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338124812 9192 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338124897 236665 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... getting random reboots. < 1338124901 98857 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea why. < 1338124917 472406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, is your computer on fire? < 1338124924 236836 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1338124930 573521 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got no idea < 1338124942 254116 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's near an open window to a garden, maybe a fly's doing it to mess with me. < 1338124953 404146 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-154-65.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338124957 979661 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-190.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338124979 946661 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338125289 954067 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338125303 56607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-190.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338126613 322406 :rszeno!~rszeno@86.125.252.78 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338127147 107042 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338127282 168958 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1338127568 953802 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338127927 83697 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338128210 419097 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338128943 476206 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338129134 92079 :AlexeyShentyakov!~alex@94.153.69.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338129239 474116 :AlexeyShentyakov!~alex@94.153.69.198 PART :#esoteric < 1338129276 560912 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338129788 320936 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338129829 575850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-252.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338129834 991381 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338129851 930024 :MSleep!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338130043 257686 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338130574 805668 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1338130591 217816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338131139 702364 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I haven’t actually played that many games, i simply did some stat rerolling on a friend’s puny game server whose stats got merged to Sequell later. :-P < 1338131140 268478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338131207 94564 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1338131958 68800 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338132478 517810 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-224.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338132484 723512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-252.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338134427 55981 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1338134437 984288 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heap in OS X is executable < 1338134465 650205 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you mprotect it to readonly < 1338134559 273146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it has to be, exploits would stop working if they changed that < 1338134831 997922 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, how would you manage state in an IRC bot that way? An IORef? < 1338135126 925927 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338135266 853069 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I am bad at things < 1338135329 846335 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like terribad at things < 1338135589 576747 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@c-66-177-75-63.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338136094 416753 :gotama!~gautama@196-215-73-142.dynamic.isadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1338136220 828555 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338136623 834339 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey nortti, isn't zsh great? < 1338136661 336606 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I have never used. I'll try it out and say what I think about it later < 1338136754 836314 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. seems to be more memory hungy than busybox ash < 1338136794 263082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like zsh. < 1338136875 48320 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh < 1338136875 716717 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. pretty nice shell but I kinda like busybox ash more. I can sometimes notice little lag with tab completition < 1338136892 363300 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in fact possible to implement a fully-functioning HTTP server using only shell builtins. < 1338136911 959085 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's barely scratching the surface. < 1338136920 87409 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has something like nc builtin? < 1338136925 868904 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a man page; it has an index for seventeen seperate man pages. < 1338136983 639982 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some big advantage over ash not counting user friendlines? < 1338137016 665827 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what does 3 in 3:~% prompt mean < 1338137029 433011 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have the 'zshall' man page, which is a concatenation of the others. < 1338137055 877806 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating :P < 1338137065 456963 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mustn't forget zftp. < 1338137100 64706 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: command not found: zftp < 1338137127 150576 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I'm taking certain liberties here, because all this stuff /is/ modularised and has to be loaded first. < 1338137138 909175 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does still come with the shell, though. < 1338137180 599664 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: do you know what 3 mean in 3:~% prompt < 1338137210 279107 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seeing as nobody using zsh uses that prompt. < 1338137217 744024 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to run the configuration to get a zshrc! < 1338137237 272755 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I run it? < 1338137244 968897 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't tab-completed until you've tab-completed with spelling correction and keyboard-navigable menus. < 1338137278 436501 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember; try zconfigure and obvious abbreviations < 1338137330 3853 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zc ^I lists zcat zcip zcompile < 1338137376 62394 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zc^I < 1338137426 815271 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I kinda dislike zsh's tab completition < 1338137479 711830 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok shell and at least better than bash but I prefer ash < 1338137659 241773 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rand it above ksh but just below busybox ash < 1338137678 359002 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love being able to type /u/s/d/zsh/RE and have that completed to /usr/share/doc/zsh-beta/README. < 1338137731 277252 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Did you try oh-my-zsh? < 1338137738 833511 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: no < 1338137910 762527 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338137912 773458 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338137912 964914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338138052 374633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is kinda like tcsh for me. I could probably learn to love it but for now it feels strange < 1338139017 23471 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338139515 141629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338139586 670047 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338140533 567357 :gotama!~gautama@196-215-73-142.dynamic.isadsl.co.za QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1338140616 855347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... how do you handle interrupts in Forth? < 1338140646 913168 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of interrupts? < 1338140670 972073 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that something you only do in dos programs? < 1338140680 413974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hardware interrupts? < 1338140690 714435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, I'm targeting a 6802 here... < 1338140696 197466 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what are you programming? < 1338140699 326714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you just write pointers to the interrupt vector < 1338140699 894758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338140703 771484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way as you do in any other language < 1338140708 30399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338140708 571077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 17h 51m 2s ago: glogbot's stupid timezone is UTC < 1338140708 762978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_ asked 12h 37m 53s ago: wake up < 1338140716 527389 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good point < 1338140718 692603 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: You're lucky you're not writing assembly then :D < 1338140728 987919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, well I might need some < 1338140758 367342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott said 17h 51m 2s ago: glogbot's stupid timezone is UTC <-- hm? UTC doesn't sound stupid to me < 1338140777 891504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: what are you programming? <-- what do you mean? < 1338140780 49116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is any problem to handle interrupts in Forth < 1338140788 493767 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm trying to figure out this Forth implementation < 1338140789 721156 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what kind of program < 1338140798 151123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I'm not coding anything specific just yet < 1338140839 493415 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there is no standardised way. you can write to memory locations with ! < 1338140842 972630 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338140844 577359 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1338140847 738776 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1338140874 100514 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well yeah < 1338140880 13189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1338140883 438372 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude < 1338140884 63199 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:45:58: elliott said 17h 51m 2s ago: glogbot's stupid timezone is UTC <-- hm? UTC doesn't sound stupid to me < 1338140887 324786 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who called it stupid < 1338140903 736188 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1338140905 436656 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1338140906 122090 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is < 1338140907 340599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA, uh? < 1338140907 531512 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:53:50: 00:51 that'll be UTC not glogbot-stupid-timezone < 1338140909 947226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338140916 568009 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA: what is with that nick < 1338140927 266356 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blended with a bunch of good crawl players < 1338140934 116386 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm 100% abomination < 1338140934 843926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying to type |. That involves altgr < 1338140971 859257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(altgr-<, where < is to the left of z) < 1338140987 426475 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift + key left of 1 on my kb < 1338141001 611744 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ is worse (altgr + key left of 1) < 1338141013 463070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338141015 773067 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick \evilliopttic_PA < 1338141022 99623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I'm awake now < 1338141023 582981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, shift-(key left of 1) gives me ½. That key in question without shift gives me § < 1338141024 34352 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what kind of keybord do you have? < 1338141032 598252 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not < 1338141035 519525 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadian french < 1338141039 454356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this keyboard doesn't have a key to the left of 1 < 1338141040 540433 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, \ is altgr-+ where + is right of 0 < 1338141044 688261 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Swedish keyboard here < 1338141055 765289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm altgr-§ is ¶ < 1338141061 55220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know that < 1338141070 474901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: many Americans don't realise what altgr is for at all < 1338141073 845446 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have finnish keybord wich is exactly the same as swedish < 1338141079 977976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't have enough characters in their alphabets for it to be necessary < 1338141080 843502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338141084 490291 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: yeah classic :D < 1338141110 535886 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: that's because they have a messed up way to write all the extra vowels over 5 :D < 1338141122 97204 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard Finnish qwerty keyboard doesn't have any alphabets behind altgr-combo either < 1338141128 248008 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, letters < 1338141131 402639 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for me it is only required to type stuff NOT in Swedish, like \ £ @ $ { [ ] } ~ and so on < 1338141159 496939 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ~ is altgr- and then a space < 1338141166 582716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead keys are annoying < 1338141176 998691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much the same in the UK, the only keys with an altgr marked on them are | (not |, although I think they produce the same character on Linux) and € < 1338141183 926956 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ and ` have to be done with dead key + space here < 1338141188 579965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ¬ but it's shift-` < 1338141202 21392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "| (not |" <-- to me those look the same < 1338141213 933436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think they're the same position in Unicode, on Linux < 1338141217 492337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm altgr-e is € < 1338141218 144585 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to type ~ with dead key+space < 1338141223 840939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they generate different characters on Windows, and on DOS < 1338141230 368232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although different different characters on the two OSes < 1338141236 727115 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: altgr + ; here < 1338141237 763439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so which one is the one with the hole in the middle? < 1338141240 95959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Standard Finnish" is nowadays the new SFS 5966 "multilingual" one, and it does have letters behind altgr; though not letters used in Finnish, exactly. < 1338141241 652518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, altgr-e is e < 1338141244 632879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same letter? < 1338141257 267004 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make it send 'е' instead. < 1338141259 866047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as far as I can tell, without using a hex editor on my IRC log files < 1338141260 136029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look the same < 1338141273 132448 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have it as altgr+key two keys right of p < 1338141299 769498 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need altgr on us keyboard to type §¶µ I think < 1338141304 436143 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does it differ from the Swedish layout (for the non-altgr parts I mean) < 1338141308 152212 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, I can send «» with AltGr-[]! < 1338141311 319756 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these symbols are kinda rare < 1338141319 106106 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using the Compose key all this time! < 1338141328 983157 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have [ as altgr+8 < 1338141331 102087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ od -t x 1 < 1338141331 293377 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1338141331 485888 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§§§§ < 1338141332 569101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, altgr-e is e < 1338141334 103933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000 68 6d 6d 2c 20 61 6c 74 67 72 2d 65 20 69 73 20 65 < 1338141336 31935 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I can do that with altgr-shift-8 and altgr-shift-9 < 1338141341 96522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: looks like they are both actual ASCII e's < 1338141341 287697 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: your bot prefix is not ideal... < 1338141349 319415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1338141353 382502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't. It only has altgry stuff for Sámi and whatever. < 1338141358 958754 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA: suggest something bettet < 1338141360 254286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently, letters do actually pluralise with apostrophe-s in English, which must annoy pedants a lot) < 1338141362 275444 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1338141362 545381 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1338141372 29289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you use that layout? < 1338141377 491081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: «» are altgr-zx for me < 1338141390 644818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, altgr-8 is [ for me too < 1338141392 361013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that works too for me. < 1338141396 594956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Means they don't have to print out keyboards with different markings, unless they want to. < 1338141396 595163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1338141397 613504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though [ is on my keyboard (not even shifted) < 1338141406 251985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :¹²³€½¾{[]} < 1338141416 521612 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough < 1338141430 717343 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡@£$¤¥{[]}\ < 1338141437 842458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ¤ is shift-4 for me. Utterly useless < 1338141448 991400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Apparently not; this is some random Ubuntu-Finnish thing. E.g. it has ¼ as altgr-§, whereas SFS 5966 has some combining diacritic there. (It has more dead-key diacritics than the usual.) < 1338141461 766259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and why is that a useless character? < 1338141469 925429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it used as a metasyntactic variable for currency characters before now :) < 1338141480 139685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and I never ever used it < 1338141484 620106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338141498 127617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1338141526 872438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :` is a dead key here, it is shift- < 1338141529 678274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1338141537 509900 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of spaces required < 1338141555 514705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I use the undead variant of the Finnish keymap, to be more accurate. < 1338141562 303492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :undead? < 1338141575 675000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes ´`^~¨ not be dead keys. < 1338141580 232992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338141580 875363 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why are you using zombie keymap < 1338141598 325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I thought that was an xkb setting? < 1338141602 990150 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ps, pls advise how to not kill off crawl characters < 1338141609 145139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got in the habit; I mean, it does mean less of useless spaces. < 1338141625 928058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can always do a compose key if I want to combine a ` with something. < 1338141626 758184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: don't play Crawl? < 1338141634 18097 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: who's elliott < 1338141635 66619 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fair enough < 1338141635 325695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the only 100% reliable method < 1338141651 756508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, elliott's a logreader, and I guess he wants to know the answers to the same questions you do < 1338141662 975542 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't then 48 hours will pass and someone else will kill it off instead < 1338141667 900647 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't idael < 1338141668 677099 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideal < 1338141669 312066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm how do I write é and è with compose? < 1338141681 533108 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose ' e / compose ` e < 1338141681 724264 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'll just wield all the disto stuff i can find and inscribe things with random letters and place nonsense map exclusions everywhere < 1338141685 281949 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pillar-dance for 100k turns < 1338141694 996369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I guess it doesn't work when ` is a dead key... < 1338141698 495923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that actually /help/? < 1338141710 373026 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but it'll be entertaining < 1338141720 501382 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know then < 1338141738 489181 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy once wielded a disto weapon and then got berserked by xom (or went berserk himself, I don't recall) in front of a hydra with low HP on a round-robin character < 1338141742 189865 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then saved < 1338141743 407030 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it survived < 1338141758 401786 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1338141817 847116 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's probably been a week since kmc said that < 1338141818 536784 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about that mongolian folk jazz < 1338141822 277753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I configured this via Gnome's keyboard settings thing; apparently the "Finland" variant there is very close to the new standard, while "Finland classic" is this random old thing, but there's only "Finland classic, eliminate dead keys", not "Finland, eliminate dead keys" available, and I haven't managed to care enough to make the correct thing happen. < 1338141849 60010 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA: ? < 1338141861 234051 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog kmc.*in.*talking about < 1338141887 997019 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338141893 687601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the new one have µ on altgr-m? < 1338141893 879149 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338141902 948628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use the deadkeys variant of the swedish layout, but do all coding in american layout < 1338141916 399973 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs kmc.*talking about < 1338141920 113411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338141921 716597 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that would totally confuse me < 1338141927 680995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the american layout that is) < 1338141929 591728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21914 < 1338141962 158121 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said something along the lines of "I come in and you're talking about [Crawl], in a few weeks you'll be talking about [obscure thing]". < 1338141969 54144 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt like I shouldn't let you down.. < 1338141971 390229 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\././ < 1338141972 507773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1338141973 836068 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's nothing compared to trying to code with a swedish keyboard < 1338141987 587667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both ones have it. The new one has some shift-altgr extra quotes in the number row; the "proper" doublequotes and that « » thing. < 1338142018 523347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, I wouldn't know where to find the keys :P < 1338142030 98550 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once you learn it, it is probably better yeah < 1338142041 640167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has an em-dash in altgr-shift-m. < 1338142073 535138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-–— < 1338142087 399336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, rather than º you mean? < 1338142087 670559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if figure dash is anywhere on my compose key < 1338142091 667661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention minus sign < 1338142096 717861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many sorts of dash… < 1338142108 505489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1338142113 737045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Æ’©ÐEªŊĦıJ&ŁºNØÞΩ®§Ŧ↑‘Ł>¥< < 1338142117 588177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ shifted altgr alphabet < 1338142136 582760 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :å∫ç∂´ƒ©˙^∆˚¬µ~øπœ®ß†¨√∑≈¥Ω < 1338142146 841383 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is shift-altgr-s §? I have that non-shifted... < 1338142149 195149 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I had to learn most of the american layout before that anyway, e.g. when using a computer before loading the swedish layout, or without it being properly configured < 1338142152 757853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-altgr < 1338142157 141072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: According to the keymap viewer, it didn't have anything in altgr-shift-m. º is in altgr-shift-5 here. < 1338142160 687722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wasn't a big switch to start doing all coding in american < 1338142167 520711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because altgr-s is ß, which is probably more likely for a Brit to type < 1338142176 739128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a letter in German < 1338142179 19735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that rarely happens nowdays, unless you are installing really obscure distros. :P < 1338142190 773595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, usually it is enough to know where / is < 1338142195 912586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to do a loadkeys) < 1338142204 461966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to know the US layout because public terminals are set to it sometimes < 1338142204 962736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I could really do the US keymap any longer, but I certainly did use to know it well enough. < 1338142214 358986 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but on my layout I mean < 1338142229 34789 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the us keymap it's nice < 1338142237 464547 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, *nowadays* that's not an issue because I actively use the us layout anyway < 1338142246 97669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1338142276 991161 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of US layout, don't they have that horrible half-height enter key? < 1338142301 900832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but your keyboard doesn't actually change when setting the layout < 1338142308 409663 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll keep your full-height enter key < 1338142308 957565 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well duh < 1338142309 253544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not always, just sometimes < 1338142318 505787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I was talking about in general < 1338142326 948844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, weird < 1338142353 843483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard layouts might be standardised, but keyboard /shapes/ aren't < 1338142366 116548 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338142377 83802 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the standard full size PC keyboard is < 1338142380 927100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely? < 1338142393 269399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop keyboards not so much < 1338142425 676076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a physical layout in *some* standard, but that doesn't mean it'd be any standard that mattered. < 1338142433 211255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338142468 604203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kept messing with the home/end/del/insert/pageup/down area recently, after all. < 1338142477 947383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The backslash key tends to be differ on different keyboards. < 1338142479 608496 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 the Trine OST < 1338142481 906115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, that is quite horrible < 1338142487 245234 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, trine 1 or trine 2? < 1338142487 836422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the double-sized... is it ins or del? < 1338142490 277852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the backslash to the right of the quotation mark < 1338142496 751716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, um... did not know there's a Trine 2 < 1338142499 249774 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? I haven't seen that variant < 1338142505 758285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then ones that turn it from 3x2 to 2x3. < 1338142506 27351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, -_- < 1338142515 754790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, go play it < 1338142516 227028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, and I don't think I like the game that much < 1338142520 462671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT? < 1338142520 693619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the music's gorgeous. < 1338142530 35990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the game is gorgeous and really fun < 1338142545 768368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: One of them is double-sized, and the other moved up to the "useless" break/printscr/whatever row. < 1338142550 776061 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only complaint I have about trine 2 is that the story was a bit meh < 1338142561 718735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else should just keep the Model M layout. < 1338142577 302451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it is a physics based puzzle platformer, the story isn't really the focus < 1338142580 987568 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :model m's come in several layouts though < 1338142581 796379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not need separate arrow keys from the numpad, use the original PC layout, but with indicator lights on. < 1338142587 462034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "useless"? < 1338142604 258610 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, useless < 1338142610 692121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :printscr is quite useful < 1338142611 97462 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the keyboard to the right of the enter key is useless < 1338142612 256471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the enter key size and those 102/103/104 key variants vary between model ms < 1338142616 720297 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the arrow keys are useful < 1338142618 341027 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1338142649 458764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA, oh come on, I use del,home,ende,pgup,pgdown a lot < 1338142658 694997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much insert < 1338142659 503907 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong and dumb < 1338142667 851549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prtsc I use rarely < 1338142669 222862 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a keyboard without them for a while yuo'l become much happier < 1338142674 311166 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be numpad dependent but then i used laptops < 1338142677 12303 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly no numpad use < 1338142678 859019 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used scroll lock a few times < 1338142685 99075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they've released some new Optimus keyboard models. There's an "Optimus Popularis" that looks like a compact-sized variant of the Maximus. < 1338142699 190309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used all the keys on the keyboard a lot < 1338142704 741069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably still costs absurd units of money. < 1338142776 474295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the optimus keyboard? < 1338142783 88197 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimal < 1338142796 395745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1338142800 647447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That thing where each key is a small OLED display. < 1338142805 148794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1338142899 992835 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d love to have one of these, but they frigging cost like 1000 €. < 1338142904 307000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/_rzFqEqzhmA < 1338142914 818380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of their sample pictures is showing a keyboard where enter/shift are Kerplunk and Boom. < 1338142954 836913 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im kreplunt *& boom < 1338142957 864114 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :efijow < 1338142959 852363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I tried using a MS natural keyboard thingy once, was awkward < 1338142960 796480 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gs < 1338142963 925255 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: aww ye datahand < 1338142966 550200 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nothing like datahand < 1338142967 925124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is great once you get used to it < 1338142979 551371 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i wanna try one of those < 1338142990 828919 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my hands survive past 24 < 1338143144 348680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA: Perhaps you should use a custom keyboard made out of a Power Glove. < 1338143156 811066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1338143162 647631 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my current solution < 1338143190 610782 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:26 58. vorpal the Firebug (L8 DrFE), worshipper of Vehumet, slain by a killer bee on D:7 on 2008-02-06, with 1385 points after 9149 turns and 3:24:37. < 1338143192 918911 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're crap at crawl < 1338143292 655263 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA, I don't *play* crawl < 1338143295 500486 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is someone else < 1338143297 828042 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1338143458 190920 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The top comments on that video are even worse than average. < 1338143495 707930 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny.. Such a "modern" and "ergonomic" keyboard still uses the QWERTY layout. Thousands of English words can be typed with only the left hand. Only a few hundred with the right. If you're typing in English, and using QWERTY, then not only will it slow you down, it will fatigue your left hand a hundred times more than your right hand. < 1338143497 570669 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1338143505 292881 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they not realise it is literally irrelevant what layout it is < 1338143508 987962 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your fingers DON'T MOVE < 1338143515 92194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I don't get the point of ['] in Forth? < 1338143522 397528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it differ from '? < 1338143542 713295 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, i love how the image of the “traditional keyboard layout” in that video is the Amiga layout, complete with the Amiga keys near Space. < 1338143591 249210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, yeah it is funny < 1338143611 391494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, also one connector on the back of the datahand looked like a serial cable to me < 1338143676 785591 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Well, it *is* traditional. < 1338143847 791016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "If you want the execution token of word, write ['] word in compiled code and ' word in interpreted code." ['] parses the name at compilation time, and then compiles to something that pushes the xt. Or some-such. < 1338143891 260664 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1338143906 580621 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-216-154.dlth.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338143967 543988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take you this way that way which way what way oh way my way her way his way their way its way some way any way < 1338143990 756600 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :…? < 1338144004 499463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyrics from a song < 1338144021 560024 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like quite stupid lyrics to me < 1338144050 539505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really mean anything sensible < 1338144084 477743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a way in which they could < 1338144095 542061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Especially in context of the rest of the song) < 1338144132 949892 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1338144164 60240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "take" is being used in a sexual sense < 1338144184 583023 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@97-127-216-154.dlth.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338144351 34528 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338144563 162129 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: by the way why did you ask me about zsh < 1338144575 958437 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO REASON < 1338144590 202416 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why were you quoting lyrics < 1338144593 543783 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a terrible thing < 1338144629 644644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric song contest was over days ago < 1338144672 75558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote lyrics every now and then. < 1338144677 324290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-18 00:34:41 "Too many fingers / have I got in my hand / I think there happened a creature / an alien creature" -- paraphrasing some Finnish song lyrics. < 1338144797 849684 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What song? < 1338144826 684807 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338144897 125066 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338144929 981723 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog topic.*international hub < 1338144937 655544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-05-02.txt:02:04:50: * pikhq has changed the topic to: - the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or ttp://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ | 09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 < 1338144943 883621 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog topic.*international hub < 1338144950 975070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-08-26.txt:20:21:18: -!- GregorR changed the topic of #esoteric to: the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - for brainfuck-specific discussion, < 1338144962 120933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The one that goes "Liikaa sormia / ompi mulla kädessä / taisi käydä olio / avaruusolio." < 1338144963 496614 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - for brainfuck-specific discussion, < 1338144988 454865 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: guoess what i gifted you with < 1338144993 170073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://www.byterapers.scene.org/scene-music.htm "Monta sormee?" < 1338145043 784810 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bad at guessing, but it looks awful < 1338145044 326195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338145051 227001 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrautlations < 1338145076 227493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :|evilliopttic_PA: not bad enough; several of the links may still work < 1338145084 860107 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its good enough for me < 1338145088 999641 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the cut off < 1338145094 769995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1338145126 700278 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :It is 2005 and there is time to be the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment. http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338145269 695547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: File not found :-( < 1338145369 74538 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1338145372 50186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1338145771 176809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made any file for Internet Quiz Engine yet? < 1338145978 79747 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what browsers do you (plural) use? < 1338145986 888649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh noes, their FTP seems to have borken. Anyway, http://amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&view=6513 claims to have it also, but both opencubicplayer and mikmod barf on the XM file, even though 'file' says it looks just fine. < 1338146219 859589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a mirror of my own. < 1338146242 846472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me just dump that somewhere. < 1338146358 664914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't break it. 7 years bad luck, you see. < 1338146386 552321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://zem.fi/tmp/byterapers-modules-humorouscollection/ < 1338146477 675335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you make, say, six copies of a mirror, and then break the copies, does it count as 42 years of bad luck, or don't the copies count since in the grand scheme of things you haven't decreased the number of mirrors? < 1338146611 558662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you break the first mirror, bad luck will ensure the others count for at least 7 years each. < 1338146625 645383 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thankes. < 1338147541 319083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: For web browser I use my own system which is Mozilla-based, although I prefer the command-line < 1338147554 204359 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo < 1338147577 855822 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what kind of command line < 1338147598 592571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX command-line is best, although I use the Windows command-line as well. < 1338147648 572476 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like unix command line, TWENEX command like is also pretty good and DOS is ok < 1338147739 635204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS is ok? < 1338147785 404549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one place I sometimes volunteer at, I gave them a computer, and it has FreeDOS. I programmed it for them, in Forth. < 1338147861 478586 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for what purpose did you program it to them? < 1338147867 767891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is still no printer. Do you know if there is any driver for FreeDOS to cause outputs to LPT1 and so on to be redirected to the USB port? In case, it is USB printer, but it still has to be PCL < 1338147885 96319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: It is a database program < 1338147903 172484 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well I have used DOS since I was 7 so it has kinda grown on me < 1338147943 608247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also do you know what TeX distribution works on FreeDOS and includes a DVI->PCL program? < 1338147987 574010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need PostScript, PDF, e-TeX, and so on; I only use Plain TeX. < 1338148153 657667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer that I gave to them, I also got it for free myself too, from FreeGeek; it came with Ubuntu and included CRT, keyboard, mouse, speakers. I didn't take the mouse and speakers and the FreeGeek also let me use their blank DVDs to copy FreeDOS so I could install FreeDOS on there too, and then I installed BBL/Abundance. < 1338148265 23973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The license for BBL/Abundance says you can do absolutely anything you want, except military use. < 1338148268 134933 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that remind me how I uses FreeDOS as my main os for around a month < 1338148306 595504 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 2008) < 1338148717 859638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any terminal emulator allow you to push scroll lock to prevent the screen from automatically scrolling and make the arrow keys scroll the window? < 1338148757 250674 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think xterm does but I am not surr < 1338148833 301666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use the 4dos command line, it was quite snazzy compared to plain DOS. < 1338148859 859534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those pretty coloured directory listings and tab-completions and whatnots. < 1338148887 283281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows now has tab-completion but they didn't add those other things < 1338148903 358070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I recall correctly 4dos managed to use less memory than command.com. < 1338148945 52990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Windows tab-completion works differently from the UNIX tab-completion. < 1338149030 877542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4dos had some amount of customization in tab completion, you could list what sort of extensions which command accepted. < 1338149043 768163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4dos.ini: FileCompletion=cd:dirs; unzip:arj zip zoo exe lzh dirs; pkunzip:zip exe dirs; arj:arj a?? exe dirs; lha:lzh exe dirs; zoo:zoo exe dirs < 1338149116 704210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also seem to have a colordir setting which says "doc txt me 1st" are text documents; the latter presumably for read.me and readme.1st files. < 1338149147 27747 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor, text me first. < 1338149320 846724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this DOS directory is such a mess of mess. There are different console fonts ans whatever here; those .com things that you run and they replace the current font. < 1338149353 431029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had some trouble figuring out what "light.com" and "broadway.com" were, based on the name.) < 1338149406 650068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Files with .DOC may sometimes be Microsoft Word documents, although sometimes they are plain text. Although READ.ME and README.1ST are nearly always plain texts, and FILE_ID.DIZ may be a short description of the downloaded archive in plain text format. < 1338149407 187161 :|evilliopttic_PA!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338149449 127290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a BBS system that put their own "downloaded from" ad into each .zip file, in a file called "KALAA&LI.HAA". < 1338149465 431079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Finnish for, basically, "FISH&ME.AT". < 1338149559 841597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really shouldn't modify the ZIP files; they should only read them to check for the existence of a FILE_ID.DIZ file (in the root directory of the ZIP), in my opinion. < 1338149593 135654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should also check for a ZIP comment and a password. < 1338150679 163225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that booster packs for some card games have a small chance to be entirely rares. TeXnicard supports this using the "n" flag in a deck list. TeXnicard also supports selecting without replacement ("k" flag) and requiring unique selections ("u" flag), but I do not know if any card games use these. Do you know if they do or not? < 1338151474 951252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like arithmetic IF? < 1338151486 625753 :Case1!~Dr._Danee@c-66-177-75-63.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1338151563 966038 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :arimetric IF? < 1338151587 558633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic IF, not arimetric IF. < 1338151657 634911 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338151713 35377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I prefer short-circuiting if, it's more generally useful < 1338151725 232151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer call-by-name semantics to call-by-value generally anyway… < 1338151774 638750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one possible implementation of a stack-based arithmetic if in C: register_value v=stack_ptr[-3]; int n=v.number; n=-(n<0?2:!n); stack_ptr[-3]=stack_ptr[n]; stack_ptr[n]=v; stack_drop(); stack_drop(); stack_drop(); < 1338151781 880856 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338151801 992039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is useful, too, yes. < 1338151862 289441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are wondering why this algorithm is so strange, I can tell you, the reason it is like this is for garbage collection to work. < 1338152116 261357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc doesn't use this but I think the design of dc would work better with the arithmetic if. < 1338152395 243320 :MDuck!~fyrc@67.232.224.67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338153039 513224 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338153671 942048 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc has if? < 1338153714 303837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: It does have conditional commands, but they aren't very good in my opinion; arithmetic if would be a better design to fit with the rest of dc. < 1338153754 315028 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1338153812 764257 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc is Turing complete. < 1338153833 123391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, I think you are correct. < 1338153835 268528 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its conditional execution is by conditional macro invocation. < 1338153837 742736 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I'm correct. < 1338153845 242215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is also correct. < 1338153847 543560 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only one stack? < 1338153854 607316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 256 stacks. < 1338153873 880752 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has? I didn't know that < 1338153880 179100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 256 arrays and 256 scalar registers. < 1338153888 729331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a stack. < 1338153909 89657 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not really arrays, they're only accessible as stacks. < 1338153917 176881 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not by classic dc. < 1338153994 937588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc also has bignums. < 1338154007 672139 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1338154202 638774 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338154410 335339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338154488 849725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of image manipulations commands should I include in TeXnicard? Some of my ideas include: convolve, blur, paste, blend, mask, ... < 1338154650 996495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338154724 470992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338154752 967264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The : and ; commands that work on arrays are at least in Unix V7 dc man page; not classic enough for you? < 1338154805 947031 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338154816 612938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I already have is that, there are ten bitmaps and ten graymaps which can be manipulated; TeXnicard never works directly on color pictures (the channels will be combined/separated upon export/import). < 1338154840 779039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the indices are limited to 0..2047 in that man page, so it's not an array of arbitrary size.) < 1338154862 275979 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heheh, I forgot that there were numbered arrays along with the named stacks. < 1338154956 42124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current man dc has a tie between the stacks and arrays -- "Note that each stacked instance of a register has its own array associated with it. Thus 1 0:a 0Sa 2 0:a La 0;ap will print 1, because the 2 was stored in an instance of 0:a that was later popped." -- but the V7 man page mentions that not. < 1338155051 766346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So in this dc at least there's 256 stacks of arrays.) < 1338155147 417999 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338155153 403050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented the XKCD variation of Deadfish in dc. (As far as I know, this is *not* the reason why the XKCD variation was invented; I do not know the real reason) < 1338155271 663884 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338155305 989583 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. could an OS be programmed in dc < 1338155325 830168 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some supporting asm < 1338155383 472305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc does not support that < 1338155496 36578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xkcd variation was added by an anonymous ip which seems to belong to asiekierka < 1338155514 463724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(based on signing on talk pages) < 1338155517 455839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What reason? < 1338155525 376830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What reason was it added? < 1338155543 861985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reason given, just "XKCD!" < 1338155583 565060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I the first one to use it? Was I the only one to use it? < 1338155591 307737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i just checked it as i remembered it being an anon ip, i wasn't expecting to find it was someone i knew from here < 1338155603 955522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't recall anyone else implementing it < 1338155621 117387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did say before it belong to asiekierka, but that still doesn't tell what reason it was added. < 1338155675 907523 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why did you implement the xkcd variation instead of the normal one? < 1338155709 65193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Do you know dc? Maybe then you might understand. Look at the implementation code, and then you might understand, too. < 1338155736 466096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to do with limitations in dc. < 1338155844 644623 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. that code is definitely write only < 1338155959 86060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? It should be understandable if you can understand a dc code < 1338156146 292680 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is understandable but so is all so called writr only code I have seen before < 1338156193 347180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel logs show asiekierka was here that day and the previous, seemingly generally annoying people; he mentioned deadfish but not in connection with xkcd. < 1338156242 297015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think the dc implementation is good enough reason for the xkcd version to exist. < 1338156346 360614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log What xkcd style comic? < 1338156362 366079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs < 1338157352 957233 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data-copying is the area i have in mind that we have to constrain ourselves, because data-copying is easy for us if we choose to do it < 1338157395 800768 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many plugs and connectors consist mostly in how incompatible they can be < 1338157474 805880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music < 1338157477 316302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in there! < 1338157482 63377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: But that has nothing to do with the moon, isn't it? < 1338157530 812856 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the good thing about the constraints the moon places on us is we simply have no choice.. we don't choose to be constrained by the sun and moon.. we just are < 1338157648 538044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Well, yes; with the sun and moon, they do affect us much. The other planets in the solar system do not significantly affect things on the Earth (although, I have read that there are some effects, apparently sometimes Jupiter prevents asteroids from destroying the Earth) < 1338157662 106327 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1338157668 289072 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice work Jupiter < 1338157724 729466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Jupiter is a much bigger target than the Earth is, both in terms of size and gravity well < 1338157741 41318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338157742 429637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so celestial bodies which are on the sort of orbit that might hit things in the ecliptic are much more likely to hit Jupiter than Earth < 1338157834 106208 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the coffee for this set of recent posts i just made < 1338158003 88404 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338158630 241539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a quiz file for Internet Quiz Engine, which is based on esoteric programming and the people in this channel, and then put it in the topic message < 1338158796 378323 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338158814 451552 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338158816 692547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rszeno < 1338158819 264361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1338158822 386646 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1338158929 552497 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1338159103 636544 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine with one tape limited on one side allways start from first cell, right? < 1338159206 282677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it /has/ to, but people pretty much assume that it does < 1338159213 983737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless someone needs it not to do so, but then they'd presumably note that it doesn't < 1338159215 163682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts from the start by convention < 1338159227 487647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm tempted to make a pointless BF derivative that starts from the second cell < 1338159232 553732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is otherwise the same as stock BF < 1338159237 736716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we get a lot of pointless BF derivatives around here) < 1338159286 538025 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is any result which say that the two machine are equivalent? < 1338159315 99106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalent in what sense? computational capability, obviously < 1338159316 42799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reminded how you usually assume a stack language starts with an empty stack, but if you assume the stack is _not_ empty you can do things like that : drop dup dup - - ; definition mentioned yesterday < 1338159320 114158 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which start to a random position and the one which start from first state < 1338159328 553608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ability to simulate, obviously if you're allowed extra colors/states < 1338159348 20331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a random position rather than a specific non-first position, then they're equivalent because you can't move left anyway because you can't guarantee there's anything there < 1338159356 970735 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img2.demotywatoryfb.pl/uploads/201205/1338074103_by_admin_inner.gif < 1338159524 176371 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338159565 795069 :itidus22!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1338159567 711838 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to extend thue, and when i search for lhs in the input i get a list of possible positions < 1338159614 174196 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this make me think to start rewriting to a random position not first one < 1338159755 493841 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338159762 873699 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewriting result could be different in many cases, depend of the rule set < 1338159988 690345 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i say equivalence i'm thinking to simulation < 1338160054 604824 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338160100 292791 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly, same results after runing < 1338160328 350349 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338160626 729643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thue is rather different to a TM in the way it operates < 1338160655 532932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace-at-random Thue (how it's defined) isn't more powerful than replace-from-the-left Thue (apart from being able to produce true randomness), but it is rather different in nature < 1338160773 593298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there WEB-IDE, where, for example, you can click a chunk name to move the cursor to its definition, push a key for the table of contents, and so on? < 1338160942 28754 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i'm looking for the simplest solution. if the replace-from-the-left will give same result i will prefere this one < 1338160979 20607 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338160989 276650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rszeno: well, it's a different language; you could convert a program written for one to run in the other, but it might be slower or more complicated < 1338161099 311777 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338161102 690380 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aware of this < 1338161181 382739 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if automatic conversion from one program to another is possible, probably yes < 1338161243 487022 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm curious if can be done using combinatory logic < 1338161268 405306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, automatic conversion from any TC language to any other is always possible < 1338161274 346419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes (often, in fact) it's rather ugly < 1338161326 316082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Brainfuck to Jot < 1338161342 182076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: meh, I wrote a P'' interp in Unlambda < 1338161345 486981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too hard < 1338161358 394862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks like an interp for a tape-based language written in a functional language < 1338161370 251580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obfuscated by the lack of useful variable names, etc < 1338161381 619027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was referring mostly to the I/O thing
< 1338161402 843351 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O is another problem i have, :) < 1338161455 844465 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need some syntax, minimal, to describe the I/O flow < 1338161496 208605 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had search on esolang for ideas < 1338161927 5300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1338161956 67077 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm curios if this is a mad idea < 1338162037 598170 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have the grammar g1 for a language, P'' for example and another grammar g2 for another language, Unlambda < 1338162038 957594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1338162042 713325 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1338162117 574912 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversion from g1 to g2 is given by a formal system < 1338162166 596716 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a formal system can be described using grammars < 1338162215 341051 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to use thue for all this steps < 1338162318 260852 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i'm the Cat, :) < 1338162400 292036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338162400 486136 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338162406 411891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338162414 315012 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338162579 411211 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION full trio aka cone
< 1338162595 817153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338162611 519827 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_%28formal_languages%29 < 1338162710 997917 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know about this until few minutes ago < 1338162787 691620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah transducers < 1338162790 545077 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fact i didn't know is named this way < 1338162808 889201 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338162813 319481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, but i recall reading about transducers < 1338162840 775293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't worry about all that, the world's ending today apparently < 1338162841 301223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.the-end.com/ < 1338162889 205229 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, Mateescu and Salomaa is subject learning in schools here < 1338162911 415808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: again? i've barely got over _last_ time... < 1338162942 79397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't learn it from a textbook though, i found it in a math encyclopedia < 1338163045 221447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: he seems to be trumpeting his theory there < 1338163103 847333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1338163173 622006 :rszeno!~rszeno@79.114.98.111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will be four trumpets, i'm waiting to the 3-rd < 1338163181 19962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.prophecysigns.com/assets/Images/chart16.jpg