< 1338422401 67711 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1338422552 944231 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89EA7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338422589 207584 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338422603 803376 :david_werecat!63f0e0e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.240.224.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1338423948 544467 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338424000 416339 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338424048 186391 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :git commit -m "Rewrote the entire thing." < 1338424051 698628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feels good. < 1338424080 186826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but code reuse < 1338424163 444761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338424514 685294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: DOOD lies the first line of all your shell scripts is still the same. < 1338424547 516105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually, no. < 1338424589 403185 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338424641 664530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have your main() declarations changed? "{ < 1338424742 221761 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* I'm going to download Multimedia Fusion 2 < 1338424783 665459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338424806 720683 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to see the IWBTG source < 1338424977 234235 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338425089 903951 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone in here written a Brainfuck interpreter? I'd like to know how you handle nested loops. My code doesn't seem to do so, but I'm not sure why. < 1338425102 423576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like normal loops < 1338425105 95398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has written several
< 1338425107 336393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone in here NOT written a BF interpreter? < 1338425114 850899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading daniel b cristofani's < 1338425117 103760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: actually i never have < 1338425127 144802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1338425129 853906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ban oerj—errr < 1338425129 926354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/sbi.c < 1338425136 182769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i've translated bf to some esolangs < 1338425167 634772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's compiling, at best < 1338425204 742730 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme show you my code for it. I've probably got some simple thing wrong. < 1338425215 452372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: did you get non-nested loops working, then? < 1338425230 99843 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I've got a simple "Hello World!" program running. < 1338425241 743247 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using the brace table method, since I don < 1338425250 597268 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have time to figure out how to fix that right now. < 1338425253 884672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1338425278 673084 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/Nr3Bz < 1338425297 107237 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I do it. I just use a stack and iterate through the characters until I find a matching ]. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? < 1338425326 396902 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah the trial is limited to 30 days < 1338425428 429120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: btw a stack is overkill, you just need a counter < 1338425461 181428 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But then aren't I limited to the range of an int? < 1338425488 75942 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338425553 427542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: yes, but do you really have memory for a stack of sizeof(int) elements? < 1338425569 275497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(int) being 4 or 8 on common platforms :P < 1338425581 194641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1338425602 491940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i mean maxint, i'm just sure what it's called in C(++) < 1338425606 111904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not sure < 1338425632 867794 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Point taken. OK, switched from stack to int64_t. Still not sure what's wrong with my loop, though. < 1338425657 896331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, any bignum implementation will work better than such a stack for the same amount of memory. < 1338425686 178198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mind you you need room for the _program_ somewhere too :P < 1338425727 428201 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/YMbwL Here's where I am right now. < 1338425803 573606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: To hit an *int* in your counter, you need to have 4 gigabytes of code. < 1338425816 781247 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: OK, point taken. < 1338425820 606711 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, you know what would be great? < 1338425833 291484 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've got 4 gigabytes of Brainfuck to compile, cry. < 1338425846 392221 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Interpret. < 1338425853 247767 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: World peace? < 1338425854 491974 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cry anyways. < 1338425859 593974 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As everyone knows, 3 decibels is approximately a doubling, and 10 decibels is exactly a factor of 10. < 1338425864 314224 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly 4 gigabytes too many. < 1338425868 628147 :MDude!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338425881 164332 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need to do is define one "debibel" as a factor of 2^(1/3). < 1338425902 305869 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 3 debibels will be exactly a doubling, and 10 debibels will be exactly a factor of 1,024, which is approximately 1,000. < 1338425937 626499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: There's a much better unit to use. < 1338425939 184838 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bit". < 1338425976 781687 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. A debibel is a third of a bit. < 1338425983 731883 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any idea why http://ideone.com/YMbwL doesn't handle nested loops? < 1338425990 436500 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me want to create a programming language that has a "debibel shift left" operator. < 1338426019 114038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: i think you may have an off-by-one error in where currentinstruction ends up < 1338426027 686765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I really like this. A programming language where all you can do is arithmetic, and severely limited arithmetic at that. < 1338426035 673277 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore, computation must be carried out through rounding error. < 1338426045 940542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you go _past_ the last [ or ], but should stop _at_ it < 1338426076 11604 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably off-by-one. < 1338426106 643721 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so why should I stop at the ] rather than one past it? < 1338426134 943949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: because you still have currentinstruction being incremented outside the instruction[...] code, right? < 1338426143 960648 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, yes. < 1338426145 808049 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1338426148 908111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instructions < 1338426175 594020 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd work just fine if you were having the currentinstruction++ inside each instruction instead of up at your dispatch. < 1338426176 90677 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :School is getting in the way of learning; I'm most mentally alert in the late morning, when I'm in class. < 1338426213 760284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other direction (not stopping at [) is harmless, but causes you to do an extra instructions['['], i think < 1338426339 948544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah but that would be duplication everywhere else < 1338426350 437742 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not working...here's my code so far. http://ideone.com/N4GRI Is it always this annoying to be so analytical about my code, or would practice just make perfect? < 1338426364 494896 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly a matter of practice, TBH. < 1338426383 804478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, though probably not *highly* efficient, I rather like your use of C++11 lambda there. < 1338426391 501798 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1338426404 388001 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wouldn't make it efficient, though? < 1338426496 326149 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a bunch of technical jazz I don't need to worry about right now? < 1338426499 253320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: you might want to add some debug print statements so you can see what bf commands your code actually tries to execute < 1338426504 133342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably doesn't matter too much. < 1338426511 12611 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're right, I should. < 1338426515 857563 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very few things need stupidly-fast dispatch. < 1338426544 697985 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm here, I might as well ask, would you guys have any advice for a future computer science major? I'm starting college this fall in a pretty good CS program. < 1338426598 699168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule #1 for being a good programmer: do it a lot. < 1338426600 220789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: if they try to teach java, it's probably a bad sign < 1338426600 386053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: anyway i see nothing wrong with that part of your code now < 1338426634 711789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo don't stop programming yourself, and learn new languages and such < 1338426643 92599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially ones dissimilar to what you're being taught < 1338426652 402542 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unfortunately, leaving out all the schools that teach Java first year leaves you with almost nothing. < 1338426667 922713 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In what way is that bad? Unless you mean teaching more Java than CS. < 1338426669 202495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: i might still be suspicious if currentinstruction is being incremented at the right time outside it, though. < 1338426675 568279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whether < 1338426700 927376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Well, Java is not a good language. CS programs that teach Java tend to teach a lot more "software engineering" type stuff than any CA, and have a tendency to do it badly. < 1338426705 815926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's disappointingly common. < 1338426718 143270 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, my program's heavy on projects that give me freedom, so I plan on putting a lot of love into what I make. < 1338426722 419474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly not every single program that teaches Java in the first year is terrible throughout, but it's not ideal. < 1338426733 706861 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Leaving out schools that consider !Java to be a "hard" thing, rather than core classes, at least gets you to skip really bad schools, though. < 1338426755 406116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Purdue teaches Java first semester, then C second semester. < 1338426769 821862 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course I'm going to code. I code on my own time now, I will do so thus summer, I did for a project that was expected to be a PowerPoint. < 1338426773 575371 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this summer < 1338426786 691191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Also read SICP! (Disclaimer: I've never read SICP. But read it anyway.) < 1338426809 945559 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: i think i can improve dreadnought < 1338426820 386105 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1338426853 950566 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know by changing (-)*31 to (-)*29 I gain 3 points, but lost to one program. < 1338426868 38241 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Will do, thanks. < 1338426893 408314 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are several other ways, but I'm interested to see what you think. < 1338426900 528678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hang out in #esoteric. That's the best way to ensure you never get anything done. < 1338426932 391006 :MDude!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the wiki, I initially read DcScript as DrScript. < 1338426935 281823 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, OK. < 1338426995 450498 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you say makes a CS program "terrible throughout?" < 1338427021 559496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teaching lots of Java and then doing C really badly and also being awful :P < 1338427031 852631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably know if it's bad. < 1338427039 334069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: add some php classes, right? < 1338427043 461835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sgeo didn't know. :P < 1338427046 174931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mmmmm. < 1338427055 744096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I tend to assume people are not like Sgeo. < 1338427061 829044 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair point. < 1338427066 933102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This generally works out pretty well for me < 1338427070 230261 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school's actually well-ranked. It's not Caltech, but grads to go on to work at big companies. < 1338427078 966871 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google, Microsoft, the NSA... < 1338427086 866600 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do go on < 1338427103 732184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which school, anyways? < 1338427106 472776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more protips: don't work for the nsa < 1338427125 94437 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Stony Brook University. < 1338427127 42310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can I ask why? (not that I'm likely to) < 1338427150 456709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: augur went there! Or goes there. Or something. I'm not sure. < 1338427157 329873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he said they have a good CS program. < 1338427164 354270 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :went < 1338427169 161791 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im at UMD now < 1338427174 851778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I don't like it :P < 1338427182 45641 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Grad school, or transfer? < 1338427190 822789 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to bug you now. Sorry. < 1338427210 718243 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grad < 1338427265 508533 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the course-load like? I originally wanted to do 18 credits a semester (since there's a lot I want to learn, even outside of CS), but now I'm not so sure. < 1338427716 843720 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1338427719 202681 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: So, what's your ideas? < 1338427769 325866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: i am changing it now, and i will test it and if it is better, i will let you change yours to it. if not, you can laugh at me. < 1338427807 307892 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, sounds like a good plan. If you do improve it, I'll give you a mention in the source code. < 1338427826 380352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: shouldn't you be working on your scoring :P < 1338427849 170553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is something i can do in a few minutes without much thinking < 1338427854 249521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kidding < 1338427873 898577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes there is something else i SHOULD be doing < 1338427884 489321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yadayadaakrasiayadayadafuckmeyada < 1338430558 71061 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338431431 503008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338431504 238542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/QahW < 1338431507 369600 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 65.1 < 1338431574 375198 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1338431588 560566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest < < 1338431591 341589 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 0.0 < 1338431708 787222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two files to use the mzx_ascii.chr with Linux console; as well as mzx_ascii.chr file themself there are two more files: http://sprunge.us/HFFX http://sprunge.us/ZBOd < 1338431769 135824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is it better? < 1338431838 665686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. proceed to laugh :P < 1338431843 306164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431843 849536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431844 225152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431845 293593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431847 361311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431849 445444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431851 293088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431853 392929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431855 355996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431857 379033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431859 397242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431861 330427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431863 392189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431865 392556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431867 432480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431869 385880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431871 439557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431873 373237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431875 416226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431877 326877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431879 653168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431881 287713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431883 493824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431885 506180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431887 480115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431889 449161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431889 521229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338431891 458551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431893 435955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431895 368566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431897 402481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431899 320799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431901 307554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431902 654025 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1338431902 694713 NAMES :#esoteric < 1338431903 377938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431905 356817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431907 344490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431907 844616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1338431909 490276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431911 295072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431913 315888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431915 328750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431917 381564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431918 643979 :MDude!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may cease to laugh. < 1338431919 404298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431921 451638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431923 456933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431925 409737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431927 423536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431929 343328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431931 455826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431933 427031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431935 367272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431937 400077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431939 470056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431941 464851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1338431941 629782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric elliott :elliott < 1338431950 763877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was about to do that :) < 1338431951 305806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always forget with the reason < 1338431953 173597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one < 1338431977 430332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338431983 755248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls ban quintopia for lying & entrapment < 1338431989 687115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1338431989 701890 NAMES :#esoteric < 1338432007 752042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addquote ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432018 449865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does not follow quoting standards < 1338432024 952220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls ban quintopia for lying & entrapment & incorrect quoting < 1338432030 730666 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i dont know the command name < 1338432041 231616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but... he _does_ get more lines that way, doesn't he? < 1338432043 67384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command /name/ is correct < 1338432047 527445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just pinged the wrong bot < 1338432048 763570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quoteadd ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432049 620824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338432051 863255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the command name < 1338432053 652080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the quote itself < 1338432054 497326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338432056 949171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not follow the guidelines < 1338432057 279017 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338432060 693208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott insists on two spaces between comments < 1338432065 765740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incorrect! < 1338432066 835124 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me to the guidelines < 1338432067 741532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when putting it all on one line < 1338432072 811539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes a [...] goes between the two spaces < 1338432076 900226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there is no link < 1338432077 843110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mostly that < 1338432078 921014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just memorise them < 1338432083 711068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse < 1338432091 742171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1338432098 397621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are at war < 1338432101 797251 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know hack's command character < 1338432105 739905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338432108 474618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries < 1338432111 184687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no quotes < 1338432114 127598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure at least one of the quotes instead has Unicode space that looks like two spaces just to troll elliott, rather than two space characters < 1338432119 723984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh < 1338432121 532347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you say that < 1338432124 924418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it!!! < 1338432136 298634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing is that it trolls you even if there isn't one, because now you'll go looking for it < 1338432140 424515 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1338432141 672094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't remember which one it is < 1338432143 910243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban ais523 for trolling < 1338432144 995074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :two spaces is obviously wrong < 1338432145 765817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1338432147 911619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1338432148 926934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1338432153 469404 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban elliott for being stupid < 1338432153 829954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338432158 587893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban quintopia for calling me stupid < 1338432168 308140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i not an op so i can execute all these corrections < 1338432195 112405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-answering questions are _so_ last century < 1338432201 993877 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432204 954464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432211 379249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1338432212 825664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guidelines!!! < 1338432213 679076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1338432213 970554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: elliott's about to revert that < 1338432217 328223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, already dir < 1338432218 701055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*did < 1338432224 656511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban ais523 for lying < 1338432228 120584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338432234 88986 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to see if that wasthe command < 1338432237 379130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured it wouldn't stick < 1338432247 560646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the [...] was redundant < 1338432250 268013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :revert and delquote should be removed < 1338432251 29475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( ha )::::*:*:****S < 1338432257 351726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1338432261 217385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia should be removed < 1338432266 509442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fungot isn't here < 1338432268 369723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it implied that he said it a lot more than i could fit in there < 1338432275 815110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok < 1338432288 31915 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it too easy to delete content discourages content creation < 1338432292 947821 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338432293 865751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ( ha )::::*:*:****S < 1338432293 938004 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1338432307 637408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to ask for clearing to say ha a lot of times < 1338432313 73756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432315 416192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432315 488604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 can i say ha a lot of times if you say no i will block you < 1338432323 35438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the correct space around [...]? < 1338432329 38390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338432334 922871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one space before [ and one after ] < 1338432335 104688 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to delete elliott and the guidelines < 1338432336 241686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and I don't really see how that adds to the channel; there's an #esoteric-blah for that sort of tihng < 1338432338 586429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1338432340 193734 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck standardization < 1338432340 607257 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1338432342 59077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not meant to add < 1338432350 941820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432353 431162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [...] Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432357 280149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-blah is sin because i no longer own it < 1338432359 830957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does that spacing look ugly < 1338432363 513442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does? < 1338432366 639628 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338432366 933138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode-staff < 1338432368 66017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's an incorrect use of [...], btw < 1338432376 622718 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i agree. double-spacing is atrocious < 1338432386 115540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was just fixing quintopia's quote < 1338432395 303616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "out of context things elided", right? < 1338432403 163709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but in this case all that was elided is more has < 1338432407 529798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to maintain that those has belonged to three different conversations < 1338432410 402534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a verbatim quote if you just remove the [...] < 1338432418 721840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also less awkward < 1338432420 158112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i want it to mean "this went on for a while" < 1338432423 719260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in a particularly predictable interleaving, either < 1338432427 104725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1338432428 829152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1338432435 209057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put more ha lines in there < 1338432435 636008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is right that it isn't really needed, though < 1338432441 977922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it edges up to the length limit < 1338432442 570958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many will fit < 1338432443 804370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will be clear < 1338432444 335072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432447 283471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Stop repeating yourself so much all at once < 1338432447 934190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: idk, HackEgo is a bit conservative < 1338432451 980053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, then `quote will become a bit useless < 1338432452 843984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is probably enough has < 1338432454 253254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it picks that quote < 1338432469 620510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this argument has gone on longer than the has < 1338432474 489166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is less cool < 1338432500 583413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i personally think that `quote is already useless. the function in OTHER channels serves to memorialize quotes forever. #esoteric's quote is so impermanent... < 1338432504 384363 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, where's that bot that kicked anyone if they repeated a line that had been said before in the history of the channel ever? < 1338432519 685044 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :#xkcd-signal < 1338432521 720753 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :on foonetic < 1338432531 730961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: lambdabot's quotes can also be removed, iirc < 1338432533 668889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I get the name < 1338432534 85435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i tried to set that up on #esoteric < 1338432540 125028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason lament would not op it < 1338432541 401387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people talk there much? < 1338432548 281200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it segfaulted (it's a perl program) when processing the logs < 1338432562 575756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, mostly people just come in and play with the bot for a while < 1338432566 630327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use extensions written in C? < 1338432572 527673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338432573 396576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure perl < 1338432576 140685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that rather defeats the point of signal, I guess < 1338432577 536405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ouch < 1338432586 623000 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432587 292702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432587 871602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432588 622274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432589 942233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while there was a "counting up" movement...see how many verses of 9999 bottles could be got in < 1338432590 580137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432595 64576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :492) Taneb's been hit by melancholy. He didn't have any friends, fortunatel.y < 1338432600 167918 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) I hate you. < 1338432608 119981 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 　 < 1338432608 202390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :553) monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people. [...around half an hour later...] @messages quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell < 1338432608 285266 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :703) Dinner? At two? It's four here already. See, UTC+2. You need to add a couple of hours. Or was that subtract? I can never get those straight. < 1338432608 897348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: missing out the third line, I take it? < 1338432612 155768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :362) [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1338432612 228011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: no! < 1338432612 228223 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338432614 124866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's five < 1338432615 101694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :553 is awesome < 1338432615 174224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always five < 1338432616 888127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338432618 48937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no output? < 1338432618 770344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1338432620 158470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort misison < 1338432620 558251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really awesome < 1338432621 399055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a channel cannot survive if it is just a gimmick < 1338432623 568844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432624 169164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432626 94498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432626 960967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :138) Why shouldn't I just do everything in non-Microsoft-specific C#? it's like trying to write non-IE-specific JavaScript with only Microsoft documentation and only IE to test on < 1338432628 156468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432630 215579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432633 869152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :403) Sanity is insufficient by itself. Many other things are also important. < 1338432637 602345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :665) elliott: young john soon afterward receives as a visitor a fnord spaniard, fnord de moncada, who has escaped from fnord fnord dissolved in the absolute. < 1338432639 994108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :275) Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1338432645 949404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :350) yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1338432659 693839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :665 is protected < 1338432664 835053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :350 is not that good < 1338432670 344896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :275 is good < 1338432675 5931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there were five /before/ the no output < 1338432675 868837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :403 is good idk < 1338432681 978250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott has been updated < 1338432690 382298 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote    < 1338432691 138258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all those ones were good even 726 < 1338432692 768824 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338432693 521133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just try again < 1338432694 942369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 350 < 1338432698 553854 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* yeah the designers of the C++ template system really should have done a better job considering input s/done a better job considering input/been shot/ < 1338432698 636033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338432699 577142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338432699 856167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: a channel cannot survive if it is just a gimmick <-- #irp still exists, doesn't it? < 1338432708 755370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a honeypot for Reddit < 1338432710 409535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i liked that one because it reminds me of chris :'( < 1338432718 970163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least meant to be, sometimes actual conversation happens there < 1338432720 929077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432721 399929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432721 760513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432722 866378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432724 902422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338432729 552981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exists? yes. but no more signally than #xkcd-signal < 1338432729 997427 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :603) fizzie: it doesn't *use* raw cgi. to my deep fnord i'm only fnord of the job description. it's badly fnord also. < 1338432730 410427 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :712) WTF is it with people with Irish names and logic? < 1338432740 705183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :752) There.... is a box of Gardasil next to the butter in my fridge. At least my sandwich will be immune to cervical cancer *and* genital warts, I suppose. < 1338432740 870242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :739) Note that the previous quote is, in fact, correctly spaced. < 1338432743 240287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :255) OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension < 1338432752 908442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 738 < 1338432755 242264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :738) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1338432769 583779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 739 out of context? < 1338432772 842711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in #irp < 1338432774 865860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432776 887179 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432778 845425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432780 898304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432782 958893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432784 949913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432786 876775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432787 677663 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338432788 861516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:52 say "ha" < 1338432792 845475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338432794 828928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the extra space after the ? < 1338432796 852658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie does that sometimes < 1338432806 289228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there are three < 1338432812 397607 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it’s not before the ? < 1338432819 881003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma has different floors ! < 1338432835 339015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sadly, that's a mutated version, the original line wasn't punctuated) < 1338432851 780859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here hasn't watched the /worst advert ever/? < 1338432870 102102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably there are worse ones, but the Enigma one is pretty bad :) < 1338433288 477226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a mathematical equation have intelligent thoughts? < 1338433388 227176 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when evaluated < 1338433418 470954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433418 905691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433419 410017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433420 357484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433422 502318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433428 839134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :735) [...] we choose only die fittest people of nigeria [...] < 1338433431 448259 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :179) I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities. < 1338433440 685029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :676) ais523: I pronounce "xor" by punching myself in the face and then "or" < 1338433441 181342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :388) " elliott: Americans also have 20 mile one-way commutes." <<< one-way commutes? you have like disposable jobs? < 1338433443 50289 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :361) [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1338433455 881585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :361 < 1338433459 654193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1338433471 704508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was about to say < 1338433482 408795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 361 < 1338433485 624889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* [...] I'm not very well-versed in lame. < 1338433487 923863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433489 7671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433489 562170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433490 276085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433491 947966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433495 614763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :562) elliott: mr president, commissioner, i fully accept that description when it comes to human rights. yes, with an average fat content of chocolate, and we are using double standards! we all know that under present legislation and also in relation to standardization bodies. if i do not want. < 1338433500 367320 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :333) 3 = 7/2 < 1338433507 720884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :730) DeadlyFugu: the kind of aids you get in a mountain cottage < 1338433511 179913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) HELLWORLD! It's like HELLO WORLD, except not *quite*. There is more agony. < 1338433511 902358 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :407) im going to resurrect rutian with vitamin pills and book sales < 1338433539 4430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 730 < 1338433540 143944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 333 < 1338433551 370973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sense 730 must be out of context < 1338433605 453622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :333 is only good if interpreted as a Forte command < 1338433607 192176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/dMfg < 1338433616 612161 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 70.7 < 1338433619 916210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338433622 304487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what did you change? < 1338433643 571003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it improved his by .2 points! i just changed the very first line < 1338433643 678973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mountain cottage < 1338433643 860976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ripping off other people's programs from the top of the hill is a little antisocial < 1338433646 594106 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :730) DeadlyFugu: the kind of aids you get in a mountain cottage < 1338433654 242452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mountain cottage < 1338433655 511584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 730 < 1338433655 974074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he agreed to it in advance < 1338433667 589712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* DeadlyFugu: the kind of aids you get in a mountain cottage < 1338433673 920054 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338433684 905313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he will resubmit his with my changes when he returns < 1338433686 663737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338433701 671725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest < < 1338433704 428537 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 0.0 < 1338433705 510065 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338433708 32019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log mountain cottage < 1338433721 697755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-05-31.txt:03:07:47: ​*poof* DeadlyFugu: the kind of aids you get in a mountain cottage < 1338433733 953398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs mountain cottage < 1338433740 53691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1570 < 1338433797 257244 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell david_werecat you can beat elliott_interior_crocodile_alligator by changing the first line to >+++>->>> < 1338433797 329399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338433798 45128 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338433804 626113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1338433808 668014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1338433811 130212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that thutubot < 1338433854 758399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it was my attempt to interpret the `words output saeteraids as a norwegian word < 1338433882 684353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433883 580575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433884 352168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433885 20863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433886 631153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338433890 41807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697) myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1338433894 487857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :786) then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1338433896 349416 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :625) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. < 1338433901 92254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :375) are there boobs you wack and squeeze around to move the mouse? [...] like those little nipples in laptop keyboards, but they'd be full-blown boobies < 1338433901 174989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :265) Phantom_Hoover: I have just one tvtropes page open in elinks, but my tvtropes.txt "queue" has 38 tvtropes.org URLs waiting for processing. < 1338433915 108316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/dMfg < 1338433919 51284 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 70.7 < 1338433921 983633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 375 or 265 or 786 < 1338433927 60036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest < < 1338433929 767825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338433929 932333 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 0.0 < 1338433930 97874 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338433932 514496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1338433933 514561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it back < 1338433935 23881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see report < 1338433950 547861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help bfjoust < 1338433950 714719 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for bfjoust! < 1338433954 933782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you do! < 1338433997 347916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1338434028 412696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :786 isn't particularly funny < 1338434031 120912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could just run it locally? < 1338434042 982870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's another of those never-forget types of quote < 1338434046 13572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have to download the whole hill and ugh < 1338434049 875043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/BFXU < 1338434051 285596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's in hg < 1338434057 640050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thx < 1338434062 200546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd have to download the software come on < 1338434081 948591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you don't have a local interp already? < 1338434082 21135 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that it doesn't beat with that change is insidious < 1338434084 69977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you /wrote/ one < 1338434109 847945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does it actually beat anticipation? rather than just hitting cases that were removed to save space? < 1338434113 193535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does insidious work again? < 1338434127 117741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't understand anticipation dude :P < 1338434138 817198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it beats it on both polarities, it's probably actually beating it < 1338434156 666376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and insidious works by rushing to its flag before it sets any decoys < 1338434169 758162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ignoring the trail < 1338434181 197845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall, all versions of dreadnought lose to anticipation on one polarity on long tapes < 1338434190 20185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338434199 16023 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 625 < 1338434210 489597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1338434214 797893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that should be both polarities, but I had to remove cases to fit it within size limits < 1338434221 568535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434222 603866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434223 145961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434223 686397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434223 760268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell if anticipation's hit a missing case if it just stands there and does nothing < 1338434225 600358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434232 56642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :443) (I don't include needing to use an object-oriented view of things as a reason to use C++, as C is better at that) < 1338434233 59905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you'd expect it to be doing something < 1338434234 548828 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :550) Yeah, Bashir, just sit there drinking, rather than diagnosing the carpenter mauled in that tragic bonobo accident. < 1338434244 547285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :248) !bfjoust test (++-)*1000000 probably will suck Score for Vorpal_test: 30.4 what < 1338434245 331004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :619) never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg < 1338434246 256970 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127) but yeah i'm not exactly comfortable with this stuff, to me it seems like if you can unscrew lightbulbs, why couldn't you see into the future, or through walls as well < 1338434273 748614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 443 < 1338434344 766954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the space limitation. < 1338434355 69183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a nest-depth limitation. < 1338434388 945376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does anticipation set all tripwires and flag to 14 < 1338434394 815442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is special about that number < 1338434470 826661 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338434479 297759 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1338434490 373555 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338434500 366249 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338434534 643060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, they just have to all be the same number < 1338434534 736626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed < 1338434534 810394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 443 < 1338434534 810593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 8080 < 1338434534 884027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1338434537 674129 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338434548 733569 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* (I don't include needing to use an object-oriented view of things as a reason to use C++, as C is better at that) < 1338434580 656885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434581 22383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434581 565143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434582 653053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434584 701916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338434588 978571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with the change to line 1 of dreadnought, it beats insidious on long tapes on one polarity. makes me wonder... < 1338434590 866437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :729) is there any evidence that Jesus knew the rules of tic-tac-toe? < 1338434595 85988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :768) what a world it would be if you could actually *steal* code so that the other project has to rewrite it or infiltrate your project to steal it back < 1338434602 687396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :644) Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading. < 1338434603 5836 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :722) I have a program to tell you how far away Jupiter is. It is 4.33 units far. < 1338434604 602754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :119) alise, marble marbelus < 1338434612 198564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that `delquote 8080 is just proof that ais523 will invent feather. < 1338434619 646626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it does that anyway, it's just hitting a case that was omitted to save space < 1338434637 806380 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i said insidious, not anticipation < 1338434644 86387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1338434646 138015 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338434646 138211 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338434652 75152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 644 or 119 < 1338434671 445628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, 644 I was surprised wasn't zzo38 < 1338434679 968978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :722 is pretty awesome even if it means AU < 1338434689 351014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't get 119 < 1338434700 951354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/DCTQ < 1338434702 384185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think we're agreed < 1338434709 439117 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 70.8 < 1338434719 578767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which two we don't like < 1338434721 800463 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else break the tie < 1338434723 377781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't you see what a marbelus quote it is? < 1338434723 593681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :119 is so stupid that it can't really be deleted < 1338434724 133110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is AU < 1338434727 763303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 644 < 1338434730 892406 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Magnetic butterfly is slower than cat and restarting if you make a mistake is slower than vi is slower than mind-reading. < 1338434738 430322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wololo...now it beats everything but atehwa_test_blah < 1338434745 727526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would ahve thought < 1338434767 270537 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1338434772 705304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1338434788 955413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338434792 270671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1338434792 604852 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1338434793 478043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jupiter is now 5.99 AU from the Earth < 1338434804 856554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did quintopia just break BF Joust? < 1338434831 528289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, beat-everything programs have happened before < 1338434856 849438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could constant-tweak anticipation to beat it pretty easily, although it's counter-beatable < 1338434890 17899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like atehwa_test_blah and insidious differ in exactly the right ways to make them hard to beat simultaneously < 1338434936 115596 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust insidious_2 >>>>>++>>>>(([+[--[(<)*8(+)*40<(+)*40(>)*9((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>((+)*10[-{[+++]}>])%300])%305])%302])%308])%304])%301])%309]>{}]>]>)%20)*21 < 1338434938 724012 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_insidious_2: 7.1 < 1338434943 35599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that dwdmodtest < 1338434952 202156 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, I doubt that beats anything else…) < 1338435004 333226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no, loses to dwdmodtest on every length < 1338435010 670096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have screwed something up somewhere < 1338435019 41731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/BDQJ < 1338435021 715834 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 68.2 < 1338435029 238149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1338435040 163636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, indeed < 1338435060 263004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it beats everything BUT dreadnought :P < 1338435063 96784 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338435068 487061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that makes it an improvement < 1338435079 538965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inisidious2 >>>>>++>>>>(([+[--[(<)*8(+)*50<(+)*50(>)*9([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300]>{}]>]>)%20)*21 < 1338435082 351096 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_inisidious2: 30.9 < 1338435083 965388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the old one, IIRC < 1338435112 557757 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1338435123 831956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there is an insidious2 and an insidious_2 on the hill < 1338435127 506170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same score, identical < 1338435162 393340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how insidious < 1338435216 81269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell david_werecat changing the first line to >>>+++>---> beats everything on the hill except dreadnought < 1338435225 493254 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338435228 93085 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdadied < 1338435229 328875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338435242 92206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your previous message may have been lost < 1338435245 61824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust insidious2 < < 1338435247 666045 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_insidious2: 0.0 < 1338435253 505582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust insidious_blatant_constant_tweaking >>>>>++>>>>(([+[--[(>)*4(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>(-)*100([-{[+++]}>])%301])%305])%307])%304])%302])%303])%306]>{}]>]>)%20)*21 < 1338435256 185845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_insidious_blatant_constant_tweaking: 7.4 < 1338435282 802649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!irp tell david_werecat when he comes around again "changing the first line to >>>+++>---> beats everything on the hill except dreadnought" < 1338435308 248075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: huh? that should lose to undermine < 1338435312 807817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I screwed up somewhere in that < 1338435317 283880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once very long time ago, someone who didn't know much about computers asked me to write a program to calculate the distance from here to the moon. Now, I have a program that does that and more. < 1338435331 222440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blatant_constant_tweaking beats dwdmodtest on long tapes < 1338435349 678626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats undermine on every length and polarity < 1338435390 787349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1338435400 956757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweaks I made to undermine to beat other things cause it to lose against the current version < 1338435497 34965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338435539 964079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1338435541 506500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: < 1338435547 460934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a saved copy of dwdmodtest? i'm about to suicide it < 1338435551 72414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine_simple (>)*6(>[[>]>((-)*100[-]>)*21])*21 < 1338435552 148701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx elliott < 1338435553 731594 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_undermine_simple: 12.4 < 1338435556 764335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell david_werecat changing the first line to >>>+++>---> beats everything on the hill except dreadnought < 1338435556 944692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338435557 192749 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338435562 70286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not saved, although I have one open in egojsout atm < 1338435572 938208 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good enough? < 1338435579 432319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, and undermine_simple also beats dwdmodtest < 1338435586 340543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough (it's also in the hg history) < 1338435589 990341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1338435608 142269 :MDude!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net NICK :MSleep < 1338435621 343078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwdmodtest is very easy to beat < 1338435628 572945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is beating it with a program that can beat other things too < 1338435641 80902 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest < < 1338435643 945879 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 0.0 < 1338435654 190433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that dwdmodtest is just dreadnought :P < 1338435669 741546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a very good combination of strategies all-in-all < 1338435673 102912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust undermine_simple (>)*6(>[[>]>([(-)*100[-]]>)*21])*21 < 1338435675 815827 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_undermine_simple: 21.2 < 1338435677 267150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious bug fixed :) < 1338435773 225229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, undermine works better at beating my programs than anyone else's < 1338435862 626110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :our playing appears to have pushed elliott off the hill < 1338435868 982776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooo < 1338435943 389091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect this will lose to *something*... < 1338435948 939058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest http://sprunge.us/PgTf < 1338435952 655360 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 67.7 < 1338435970 23079 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only dreadnought < 1338435977 143394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the first line? < 1338435990 11488 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+>->+++>---> < 1338436008 953685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that just a blatant counter-undermining fix? < 1338436018 474793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1338436030 549773 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesnt hurt it against anything else on the hill afaict < 1338436033 845326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why not? < 1338436072 579588 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdmodtest < < 1338436075 234346 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdmodtest: 0.0 < 1338436302 96555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a bug on the hill? insidious2 didn't get killed. :/ < 1338436305 208687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR < 1338436309 65579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338436323 632816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust insidious2 < < 1338436326 320567 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_insidious2: 0.0 < 1338436331 216275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could have been race condition < 1338436372 33671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like someone'll have to remove it manually < 1338436468 245152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1338436564 20720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke >>>>>([<<<(-)*70<(+)*70<(+)*70(>)*8(>++++[-])*21]>)*8([<<<(-)*70<(+)*70<(+)*70(>)*9(>++++[-])*21]>)*8([<<<(-)*70<(+)*70<(+)*70(>)*10(>++++[-])*21]>)*8 < 1338436566 561647 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke: 18.9 < 1338436574 550543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also beats dwdmodtest, naturally < 1338436582 827976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a strategy I haven't seen before, I just invente dit < 1338436584 869783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*invented it < 1338436801 324993 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1338437009 329489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered if there was a targeted counter-poke type thing < 1338437029 120365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one still needs work < 1338437041 197826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably a code generator < 1338437052 416587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you can tell, from where the opponent is poking, a range in which their flag might be < 1338437058 24775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can set decoys behind where they poked < 1338437117 31992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah makes sense. only works for pokes that leaves trails i assume? < 1338437138 589277 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338437144 126888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you happen to catch them in the act of adjusting the current cell to test its value, for a slow poke < 1338437144 488416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa_test_blah beats it < 1338437311 104762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tweaked it, it now wins against your test program on every tape length but 10 < 1338437346 189379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1338437356 512884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know when you've added the cool ais523 stuff to it :P < 1338437368 864298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on the general rush algorithm < 1338437377 843288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a decent clear loop to it later, if I remember < 1338437458 868918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the tweak on the hill < 1338437521 909973 :thutubot!~thutubot@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338437542 223266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke http://sprunge.us/XJXd < 1338437544 668954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was still working on it < 1338437550 459557 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke: 22.6 < 1338437554 987084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't follow an easily compressible pattern any more, although it is a very simple one < 1338437568 284961 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah bfj needs more syntax :P < 1338437580 709224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inisidious2 < < 1338437583 530327 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_inisidious2: 0.0 < 1338437588 481636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a misspelling :) < 1338437603 345522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, counterpoke beats ffspg < 1338437636 475369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dreadnought, and juggernaut < 1338437650 143359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec < 1338437651 268988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and scores a perfect 42 against your tweaked dreadnought) < 1338437659 493613 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just a regular poke! < 1338437665 664598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slowpoke < 1338437677 951388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, look at the decoy setup < 1338437683 32831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular pokes start building from their flag < 1338437708 579501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one puts a huge decoy at every location a typical poke would check, and none at every location a typical poke wouldn't < 1338437718 757451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke says nothing about decoys... < 1338437721 176760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, regular pokes start checking just beyond the location they check < 1338437731 13240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this skips a distance forwards from there depending on the tape length < 1338437739 968374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter-rule-of-nining the enemy poke < 1338437762 463692 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's cool too < 1338437773 319258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all pokes leave decoys < 1338437784 583481 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_elevator leaves small ones intermittently < 1338437792 244890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :test_blah leaves none < 1338437795 169646 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338437822 396443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke /beats/ space_elevator :) < 1338437826 551562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes off to check how
< 1338437833 952354 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i assume so < 1338437845 649707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying, counter_poke looks a lot like poke :P < 1338437861 182217 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a poke too < 1338437866 619201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one tuned to counter other pokes < 1338437874 833874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :than one tuned to counter traditional decoy setups, like regular pokes do < 1338437878 690458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a good idea i never thought of < 1338437890 233440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually surprised pokes do so well, given how easy it is to simply drop a forward decoy < 1338437895 963938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to start from the *next* cell after the one the poke got to < 1338437905 833013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone do that? < 1338437953 99264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've been doing that for ages < 1338437961 541875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple_tripwire_avoider, etc < 1338437966 555544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not normally combined with a poke < 1338437977 528478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338437979 338388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1338437985 820701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone done it with a poke < 1338437994 394937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1338438007 693526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, most things that did that skipped forwards a fixed distance, rather than basing it on tape length < 1338438078 855191 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the time might have come... < 1338438221 924010 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdtripskip http://sprunge.us/VMXB < 1338438229 846616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdtripskip: 63.6 < 1338438332 238667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats anticipation on both polarities (as expected?) < 1338438354 152053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke http://sprunge.us/MGcM < 1338438357 179533 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke: 27.0 < 1338438404 656845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tweaks to make it weaker against pokes but stronger against rushes < 1338438458 783081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, it draws against poke < 1338438555 702202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just zero-checking so there's no way it can tell where the opposing pointer is < 1338438566 656655 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338438659 914125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke http://sprunge.us/afcb < 1338438663 20368 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke: 29.1 < 1338438670 346591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that has some improvements against defence on long tapes < 1338438684 288856 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-158-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338438701 312619 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust help_how_does_this_work [>[+]] < 1338438704 55066 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_help_how_does_this_work: 12.3 < 1338438713 818366 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what happened. < 1338438719 197404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's, umm, not a very good program < 1338438723 384451 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust help_how_does_this_work [>>[+]] < 1338438726 92961 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_help_how_does_this_work: 12.3 < 1338438729 217072 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1338438733 392329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try [>[+]+] so you aren't breaking out of your own loop < 1338438748 238592 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust help_how_does_this_work [[+]>] < 1338438749 680356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust null . < 1338438752 53708 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_help_how_does_this_work: 17.3 < 1338438752 413437 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_null: 13.3 < 1338438758 947610 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1338438763 794648 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION totally beat ais523
< 1338438765 532315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :null was not /meant/ to do well < 1338438773 570728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm getting 29.1 on counterpoke atm < 1338438775 770480 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor was my program! < 1338438779 907615 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet it did better than null < 1338438796 84361 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust help_how_does_this_work [[+]>[+]>] < 1338438799 786040 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_help_how_does_this_work: 17.5 < 1338438820 179576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a vibration program (probably unintentionally) < 1338438820 538571 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what's going on. < 1338438823 795459 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read the rules. < 1338438824 130723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a very good one at that < 1338438863 878069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, counterpoke has a lot of potential, it mostly just needs a better clear loop, I think < 1338438886 564273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd prefer to give it enough of a decoy advantage that the clear loop's irrelevant < 1338438890 236598 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best score ever gotten? < 1338438897 127680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust what_did_we_call_this (+)*-1 < 1338438900 988543 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_what_did_we_call_this: 19.5 < 1338438916 322192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration (-)*128(+-)*-1 < 1338438920 137063 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 26.0 < 1338438926 91408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, vibration gets 26 nowadays? < 1338438933 948567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have been forgetting to build in protection against it :) < 1338438939 38181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it beats fast pokes half the time < 1338438984 743836 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stories/zoo-caretaker-licks-monkeys-butt-to-help-it-defecate.html < 1338439021 391757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_vibration.bfjoust vs quintopia_dwdtripskip.bfjous t>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -4 2ais523_vibration.bfjoust wins. < 1338439023 784947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, obviously < 1338439023 950621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a strange thing to do < 1338439046 206273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1338439059 76592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't thinking straight for a moment there < 1338439060 338314 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your program compete against all the other programs or what? < 1338439061 62108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't put any vibration protection on any of my poke programs :P < 1338439071 767245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it competes against a dynamic top N < 1338439096 555978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anticipation is basically just a smarter vibration, is one way to think about it < 1338439126 789489 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, though, the poke should get to vibration's flag before it starts vibrating < 1338439168 256187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point < 1338439179 580793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>++<<(-)*128(+-)*-1 < 1338439183 750931 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 21.3 < 1338439193 193452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it no longer beats the tripskippers < 1338439201 272427 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1338439205 522806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a more "honest" score than the previous one < 1338439209 60797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1338439218 129675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++<<(-)*128(+-)*-1 < 1338439221 691845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 23.9 < 1338439242 247303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++<<(-)*128(+-)*70000+(>)*8(>[---])*21 < 1338439246 91497 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 23.9 < 1338439258 794807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++<<(-)*128(+-)*4000+(>)*8(>[---])*21 < 1338439261 447041 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 26.6 < 1338439262 472006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant 40000 < 1338439264 879469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++<<(-)*128(+-)*40000+(>)*8(>[---])*21 < 1338439267 819296 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 26.5 < 1338439269 638559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's likely to make /much/ difference < 1338439285 153540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's a constant-tweaking war against other defend-and-abandon programs < 1338439294 885860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++<<(-)*128(+-)*23000+(>)*8(>[---])*21 < 1338439295 133298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338439297 712802 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_vibration: 26.5 < 1338439303 129465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I've been hi'd < 1338439327 437311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vibration is now equal to triplock2 :) < 1338439344 445577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we're busy trying to break BF Joust again < 1338439354 38629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338439355 636467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defence might not work, but there still seems to be plenty of life in attack program variety < 1338439356 949643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dwdtripskip < < 1338439359 684534 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_dwdtripskip: 0.0 < 1338439370 296499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a generic way of beating all the slow poke programs that are dominating the hill < 1338439376 255416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also works moderately well against fast rushes < 1338439397 81033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's currently hovering at #25 < 1338439404 385312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite beating many of the leaders < 1338439526 636457 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if a program clears through to anticipation's flag, starts attacking it, and then abandons the attack after a while and goes off to play defense? does anticipation avoid suiciding? < 1338439561 19582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338439576 501169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+)*32(-)*32 can never two-cycle-zero a flag that wasn't 0 to start with < 1338439590 96364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the program abandons at the exact right moment < 1338439611 440443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /might/ suicide on the unrelated grounds of running off the right end during its clear, though < 1338439620 704810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the opponent starts defending its flag (specifically) < 1338439666 604804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inisidious_2 < < 1338439669 8145 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_inisidious_2: 0.0 < 1338439671 277987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust insidious2 >>>>>++>>>>(([+[--[(<)*8(+)*50<(+)*50(>)*9([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>([-{[+++]}>])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300])%300]>{}]>]>)%20)*21 < 1338439674 34169 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_insidious2: 31.8 < 1338439674 146312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's fix the typo < 1338439711 17081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what happens if I put the insidious clear loop in counterpoke? < 1338439814 596788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke2 http://sprunge.us/HdeH < 1338439817 355448 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke2: 21.5 < 1338439822 543091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke2 < < 1338439825 941431 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_counterpoke2: 0.0 < 1338439826 13907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that might happen < 1338439833 45272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different programs need different clear loops < 1338439849 48312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke wants a traditional-style one, I think < 1338439929 719494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in what clever method david_werecat or quintopia come up with to beat counterpoke < 1338440069 120516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, what do you think of my idea to drop anything with negative points < 1338440070 699186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what score < 1338440074 904981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reduce some of the silly hill effects < 1338440101 655155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then you'd lose half the programs with each iteration < 1338440112 591285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many < 1338440120 810441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the obvious counter to counterpoke is put a decoy near your flag before beginning a trail-free poke. < 1338440126 803527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it another way, you need bad programs for the good programs to compare against to show that they're good < 1338440127 707950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a program to access the entire CP437 graphics by Linux < 1338440143 492797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: right, indeed < 1338440152 534483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't the Linux console do that by default, if you send it the right escape codes? < 1338440179 735447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, there are some it won't; and as far as I can see the default font does not even include all of them. < 1338440205 831907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, this is non-Unicode mode. Unicode mappings are still required, though, even if it is not Unicode) < 1338440232 201890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think the silly hill effects could be reduced by permanently freezing a short list of "champions" to stay on the hill forever, even if they suck. it would mean that good programs would *always* have to think about all the strategies out there to be good. < 1338440248 395275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i strongly dislike that < 1338440251 399465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it messes with the metagame < 1338440259 49196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any previous winner, perhaps? < 1338440263 282713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I like the fluid metagame < 1338440272 745293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke is likely to get better over time just because people keep making pokes ;) < 1338440285 374183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought the metagame was what you meant by "silly hill effects" < 1338440300 700921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the silly hill effects are what messes with the metagame :P < 1338440306 773238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I did it, works with VT100 graphics as well. When shift in, all the printable characters correspond to their CP437 character with that code. When shift out they differ, but the VT100 box-drawing graphics work as expected and others fill in for the codes that cannot normally be printed. < 1338440363 651623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, its not like the old standbys won't find their way back onto the hill anyway. people re-add the classics every so often just to see how they stack up against the new flock. so there's no point in *actually* freezing them there. < 1338440387 824835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes a Unicode mapping file and a shell script. The shell script also turns off Unicode and sets the locale to C locale (although the environment variable cannot be set if run in a sub process) < 1338440398 818121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, would you freeze something like vibration? < 1338440403 892174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never /should/ do very well < 1338440406 881490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it does anyway < 1338440426 440905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you have Linux, if so, what distribution and what default fonts and console modes they use? < 1338440433 905839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't freeze anything < 1338440436 971024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm using Ubuntu Precise at the moment < 1338440446 68355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the console fonts on the Linux console is < 1338440471 988064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use DejaVu Sans Mono in the X terminal, but that's not the default any more < 1338440498 986574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the console bell work? < 1338440514 187547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned it off < 1338440515 613440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1338440526 605005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it turn on? < 1338440545 486009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523 should i sleep < 1338440570 505600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just turned on all the visible bell settings I could find < 1338440579 271537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it'd work if you turned them all off < 1338440597 287065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask other people if you should sleep? Figure out by yourself! Look at clock, look on outside, know if you are tired, know if you are appointment, and figure out by yourself please < 1338440623 904403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you appointment? < 1338440628 688609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: On the computers at FreeGeek I try the console bell it doesn't work < 1338440637 883033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a very philosophical question < 1338440643 692605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i appointment? am i indeed. < 1338440659 257892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the kernel module for it was disabled by default, because shutdown(8) causes a beep via the kernel, and they couldn't figure out how to stop it < 1338440673 595604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at clock, clock looks back
< 1338440678 749139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is ridiculous…) < 1338440694 210183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not appointment no < 1338440704 666100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the shutdown should beep by default, anyways < 1338440712 743712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have anything you want to achieve right now? < 1338440715 758443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think computers should never beep < 1338440716 728985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1338440723 913742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to notify me of irc pings < 1338440727 16086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have anything you want to achieve tomorrow? < 1338440748 311794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always have things I want to achieve! < 1338440764 125436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you're more likely to achieve them if you sleep first? < 1338440784 752410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but sleeping is a lot of work < 1338440795 824332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6 + 8 < 1338440798 533541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 < 1338440800 859043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you lambdabot < 1338440808 702076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you find it easy to sleep, when you want to? < 1338440820 412935 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :-( < 1338440826 417974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, slep at 6, wake at 14, is perfectly respectable < 1338440829 915584 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleeping is horrible. < 1338440842 58216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of sleep i could watch awful iphone adverts < 1338440842 765732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apple.com/iphone/videos/#tv-ads-joke < 1338440846 479508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a paper write down anything you dream about. And then, if you don't like it, cut off the parts you dislike < 1338440852 802405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my browser opens to an apple.com start page because i'm too lazy to change it) < 1338440989 635631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, I manually set my homepage to about:blank < 1338440999 929605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, normally < 1338441010 721644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also prefer it to be set to about:blank < 1338441017 313441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll set Chromium's to YouTube, as I don't use it for anything but heavily Flash-dependent or video-dependent websites < 1338441044 223996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwn day and all my haskell answers get upvoted < 1338441103 258123 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338441130 764409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, the default Linux console font is not based on CP437; it is Latin-1, Cyrillic, and VT100 box-drawing < 1338441253 779788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not the default one < 1338441258 617658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one you can load using escape codes < 1338441281 393884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESC ( U apparently < 1338441320 615124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, it is the one set in the computer at FreeGeek that I have used, which is this. < 1338441335 38496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESC ( U does not set the font, it only sets the translation table < 1338441576 242339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1338441696 914720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should i sl;ep < 1338441710 736986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so, you may have more ideas about what else to do when you wake up < 1338441720 596017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I often sleep around now < 1338441735 541587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wake up at a reasonable time (i.e. early afternoon) and am refreshed < 1338441748 42923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do the refreshed thing < 1338441752 279938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the waking up drowsy thing < 1338441769 862318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're refreshed an hour or so /after/ you wake up < 1338441772 896019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to wake up gradually < 1338441776 260601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can take hours to wake up sometimes < 1338441800 12349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test http://sprunge.us/cTQH < 1338441802 928963 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 33.5 < 1338441824 171776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1338441826 811182 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_test: 0.0 < 1338441840 933171 :Kray!~kray@217.24.101.225 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338441842 848176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time has not come :P < 1338441932 151476 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_binary#DOS < 1338441936 813502 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An application for polyglots! < 1338441991 731317 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338442080 454135 :rvchangue_!~rvchangue@cpe-024-074-007-002.carolina.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338442123 807799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy.*explode < 1338442128 41432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :830) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1338442491 54347 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "quote monqy" > bin/quonqy; chmod +x bin/quonky < 1338442493 829075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: cannot access `bin/quonky': No such file or directory < 1338442500 87803 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1338442503 560453 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1338442508 553143 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1338442511 274523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quonqy \ quote \ quotes \ randomanonlog \ roll \ searchlog < 1338442523 288691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/quonky < 1338442523 551118 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1338442526 133929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `bin/quonky': No such file or directory < 1338442539 59719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/quonqy < 1338442540 219281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1338442545 379623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338442566 277906 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what's going on, but I knew you would do that. < 1338442581 664225 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "quote shachaf" > bin/quachaf < 1338442583 953952 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338442586 296224 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/quachaf < 1338442587 555139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/quachaf < 1338442588 184514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338442588 621262 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quachaf < 1338442596 468667 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338442613 530047 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/quachaf: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/quachaf: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1338442618 929012 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bash -c 'echo "quote shachaf" > bin/quachaf; chmod +x bin/quachaf' < 1338442622 598220 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quachaf < 1338442623 41657 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338442623 568047 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quachaf < 1338442635 245940 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quachaf: not found < 1338442649 390725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quachaf: not found < 1338442672 783366 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott thinks he can just do whatever he pleases. < 1338442681 471042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can < 1338442687 454347 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of all he/she/it beholds < 1338442763 109004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1338442772 189124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ban EgoBot < 1338442781 966236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1338442785 406926 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ban me instead! < 1338442792 897150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have fun < 1338442794 283460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338442904 811308 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1338443053 653722 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1338446503 230107 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338446667 281312 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1338447277 568529 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338447870 494528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a computer think? Can a submarine swim? < 1338447972 136218 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No. < 1338448153 778589 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338448156 729001 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338448284 483505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338449669 512548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Son of a submariner! < 1338449735 681529 :cswords_!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:5cb:d322:e0e1:f335 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338449885 721998 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html *cough*assholes*cough* < 1338449927 274856 :cswords__!~cswords@c-98-223-237-144.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338450390 131629 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Microsoft or Red Hat? < 1338450438 141701 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: annoying and ultimately pointless ping < 1338450517 722924 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: All of the above. < 1338450603 834548 :const!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1338450792 920703 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338450925 406398 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338451541 623656 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1338451554 896808 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the issues involved but it can't end well < 1338451607 799569 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have done a kickstarter on this linux key thing :-D < 1338451656 311621 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Basically, Microsoft is strongarming vendors into supporting kernel signature verification... < 1338451666 701995 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is, this is a *huge* step towards non-general computing. < 1338451698 682864 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like the fucking iPod. < 1338451735 193520 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a simple view of reality that goes something like this.. once your sufficiently well tied up.. it doesn't make a difference if your enemy has a knife or a gun.. you're equally screwed < 1338451739 220272 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it'll apparently be trivial *now*, you'll have to *root your own damned PC* to use a kernel Microsoft's not signed on. < 1338451777 702575 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the same way, microsoft's capacity to strongarm vendors probably isn't going away for the forseeable future < 1338451803 797926 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses the US DoJ a bit for good measure
< 1338451808 522954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it appears there is a positive feedback on microsofts capacity to strongarm.. since it is apparently getting better at it < 1338451827 901625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We find Microsoft to be an illegal monopoly! And fine them some pocket lint." < 1338452088 115320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the bestest thing is that that while on x86 they went the "there must be a way for the user to add custom keys" route, possibly because of all the complaints, on ARM their requirements for "Windows 8 hardware" are the exact opposite: it must not be capable of running anything else than Windows in any way. < 1338452102 803915 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Worse still. < 1338452116 886530 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows on ARM can't run anything but Microsoft-signed Metro programs. < 1338452131 523543 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe non-linux using people should just boycott windows 8 < 1338452144 374271 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Microsoft-signed Win32 programs, but only Microsoft will make Microsoft-signed Win32 programs. < 1338452160 777086 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did someone say "antitrust"? ... Oh, fuck, that doesn't matter, I'm going to drink myself into a stupor) < 1338452188 790611 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Thankfully, Metro is a very poorly designed interface and they're trying to cram it in there, so I wouldn't be surprised to find Win8 flopping. < 1338452216 876295 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would like to think noone needs Win8 < 1338452259 327031 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wooooooo has somebody been trying out my redcode?-) < 1338452263 738316 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft's got much the same problem now they had with Vista. The previous version is good enough. < 1338452281 287445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day apple will compete head to head against microsoft on the same hardware < 1338452285 271277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be fun < 1338452292 482511 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, I misremembered: not redcode warrior, but a bf one < 1338452324 661456 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unping < 1338452352 62181 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Would require more balls than they have, and Microsoft's non-general computers have removed the window for that. < 1338452558 405701 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338452646 551625 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for more nonsense.. this parody disclaimer brought to you by the good folks at schweppes australia! < 1338452794 4963 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots know that servers need to stay online. virus-writers know that users need to return to the internet daily. companies know that customers need upgrades and updates. < 1338452824 997396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words if people could be contented to stay offline and never upgrade or update their pc then there'd be no problems < 1338452896 936245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that people would be offline < 1338452902 222467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone once explained to me such things would be homeostasis, which isn't realistically possible or good < 1338452904 712165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means my life would be a bit boring-er < 1338452931 359446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right.. the benefits outweigh the costs < 1338453036 419321 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338453233 888175 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338453798 148217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338453863 230157 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338454090 728979 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1338456710 486503 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, by the way, the weird consonant in my "eighths" is half-way between a g and a k, it seems < 1338457222 540811 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338458587 428780 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan to buy a computer has gone slightly awry < 1338458718 871804 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan to go to sleep at a reasonable hour has gone completely off. < 1338458742 724148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm < 1338458749 541035 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works out as 8 pounds cheaper < 1338458750 493824 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338459333 484453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-11.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338459334 612952 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-137-44.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338460072 943575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338461628 150252 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D67A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338461952 848165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I'm thinking DF's new migrant system may need a little tweaking. < 1338461964 566544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 2 migrants, then 3, then 29. < 1338462298 328317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slaughtered 3 puppies so pikhq_ could make a dog bone crown. < 1338463391 383519 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338463562 976092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-230-11.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338463566 473644 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-200.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338463752 682058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yay, dead puppies everywhere < 1338464437 997475 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1338464709 379496 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338465923 830513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made another pocket island, this time with 500 years of history and a few more civs. < 1338466063 842065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an event called the Siege of Siezures. < 1338466090 684896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1338466097 711798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, toady and threetoe < 1338466243 263642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1338466268 123080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Share < 1338466285 143002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Singed War was waged by The Equal Desert on The Truthful Empire. One of the most significant causes of the conflict was a dispute over truthfulness." < 1338466303 665889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truthful empire sounds nice < 1338466326 379610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They lost. < 1338466345 197532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equal empire: "We should tell the truth and lie EQUALLY! You must die for telling the truth too much!" < 1338466392 363169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently one of the mainstays of The Equal Desert's army was giant ticks. < 1338466519 169797 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tick as in the yes symbol or tick as in the parasite? < 1338466602 435381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't get up to much in the 5th millennium, though, so maybe they lost to someone else. < 1338466623 340410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :millennium!? < 1338466628 421655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said 500 years? < 1338466692 13877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5000. < 1338466699 671088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were still around in 4999, though. < 1338466725 973328 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they thought there were doing too many things, so stopped in the name of equality < 1338466809 342957 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338466836 573677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got the crap kicked out of them by The Contingent Keys back in The Age of Dragon and Hill Titan. < 1338467310 266163 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338467416 781638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1338467608 614938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338467718 379849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helllo < 1338467742 246220 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338467810 19264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are fully ten books titled "The Dwarf The Easy Way", along with commentary in the form of "Before The Dwarf The Easy Way" and "The Dwarf The Easy Way: Fact Or Fiction?". < 1338467927 226289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to try adventuring here. < 1338467940 876967 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do the same but it keeps stopping at 30 years < 1338467952 741205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that caught me too. < 1338467967 821231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for the options about megabeast percentage. < 1338467998 859974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's set to stop worldgen when 80% of the megabeasts are dead and 30 years have passed. < 1338468018 237469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1338468064 289426 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally don't really care for the history < 1338468069 221501 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally say 5 year history < 1338468092 528580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not a good idea these days, since migrant skills are built up during worldgen. < 1338468129 776605 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1338468194 121834 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may take a while < 1338468202 456165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably have a better computer than me < 1338468243 757015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, given that I'm on Vax right now. < 1338468267 577880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TbH almost everything interesting happens in the first millennium. < 1338468393 953365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vax, the vacuumy people? < 1338468457 907251 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half way < 1338468465 663188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 fps < 1338468559 979839 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as it's now gone further than here has since the start of the Roman Kingdom < 1338468590 656921 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may stop it at 3k < 1338468607 722900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vax as in the hoovers *and also* the old mainframes. < 1338468617 404491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im intellignet humour < 1338468745 790433 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old mainframe versus New Laptop!? Who will win! < 1338468867 194630 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338468886 404376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on "Twilight Age" < 1338468889 467027 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3550 < 1338468894 775598 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has been for about 2 millenia < 1338468949 291800 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I've not had that one. < 1338468960 53162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's when everyone sucks < 1338468963 842262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two I tried ended up in Golden Age and Age of the Dwarf. < 1338468997 995059 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The population is shrinking < 1338469013 304608 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1338469055 939207 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about 1900 and seems roughly stable < 1338469084 593409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This history is definitely going to be interesting. < 1338469122 423033 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000 < 1338469128 440776 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :years < 1338469160 885188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 FPS < 1338469189 541038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just switched to the Second Twilight Age < 1338469195 135296 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to the third < 1338469214 461013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's switching between fairy tales and twilight < 1338469234 377232 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338469292 280073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Thirteenth Age of Fairy Tales" < 1338469302 21158 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fourteenth < 1338469339 679737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that that indicates near-total dominance by a single race, possibly humans. < 1338469340 871162 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Seventeenth < 1338469353 741080 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was very few mythological creatures < 1338469367 459691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends how that's defined. < 1338469368 277724 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does ISTR stand for again? < 1338469374 881904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall. < 1338469377 955145 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338469400 395561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it can't mean megabeasts, because the megabeasts die almost instantly on a pocket world. < 1338469401 938773 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338469417 657617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :90%+ mundane creatures, but fantasy creatures are still about < 1338469461 948576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm going for 10000 years. < 1338469465 174402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're mundane? < 1338469469 220669 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1338469477 445288 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example given is "human" < 1338469529 231866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got over a million events < 1338469531 940855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, goblins gained near-instant dominance. < 1338469537 609818 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1338469574 277096 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stuck at fairy tales now < 1338469667 216344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up to the 3rd Golden Age. < 1338469679 967052 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 is my record < 1338469687 570909 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any age < 1338469689 574731 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairy tales < 1338469693 515890 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stuck < 1338469698 934773 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4935 < 1338469753 534364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5000! < 1338469801 17871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 3rd Golden Age for me. < 1338469806 837715 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What year? < 1338469843 380294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there was a golden age and I missed it < 1338469850 659106 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sorting the legends < 1338469982 639764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to 3600 and still the effing Golden Age. < 1338469982 712279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big dwarf place got attacked by a monster's wife < 1338469986 115582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm restarting this. < 1338469995 515603 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1338470016 934434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the Age of Nutssnarling this time. < 1338470024 406924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That alone makes it worthwhile. < 1338470217 658522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF froze < 1338470782 728862 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd Age of Goblins now. < 1338471388 23236 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1338471500 555760 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338471629 399829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...4th Age of Goblins. < 1338472211 813382 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I my me mind < 1338472216 101469 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I my me mine < 1338472329 960140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes Sgeo__ that makes so much more sense. < 1338472385 609103 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there's a video on YouTube of a goblin invasion set to that song < 1338472951 820222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've narrowed elliott's location down to two rough areas < 1338472966 460451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, these amount to "Hexham" and "Outside of Hexham" < 1338473131 102413 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/a3bbb144/save.php?hash=adb838876e2902dbcf20f7ebd96e4408 < 1338473131 758379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338473134 688336 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.9 < 1338473176 336720 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going mad < 1338473196 58082 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just convinced myself the topic had the word "internatio:)nal" < 1338473321 487932 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi david_werecat < 1338473330 568451 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1338473335 450018 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :It is 2005 and there is time to be the internatio:)nal hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment. http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338473342 325773 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the changes you made < 1338473343 703259 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WHO'S MAD!? < 1338473363 613928 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>+>->++>--> seems to work the best < 1338473396 305280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worldgen is complete, in the 5th Age of Goblins! < 1338473407 237745 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/1328e20a/save.php?hash=cb611bb2a4eb7886b9284a83efd79878 < 1338473411 223722 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.9 < 1338473455 866108 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: as i made them, ais worked to conter them. that was fun. < 1338473464 31188 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs <[E]goBot> Score for .*: 7[0-9] < 1338473500 778918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gregor < 1338473502 172326 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338473508 807030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yay! < 1338473512 222116 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does sound fun. I see that the new antipoke program beats dreadnought. < 1338473521 332031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338473526 690063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes yes, it's broken, too bad, I don't have time to fix it right now. < 1338473536 841337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1338473544 32561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats broken? < 1338473548 147052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just woke up < 1338473552 311634 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Whatever you were saying was broken last night. < 1338473555 495030 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1338473563 795912 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was nothing < 1338473569 755715 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused by that pastelogs giving no output...
< 1338473610 268461 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs [>] Score for .*: [7-9][0-9] < 1338473621 291934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: it could be modified to beat any poke program that leaves trails as it pokes < 1338473623 306772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6962 < 1338473661 740412 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. I'll check ou the animation on that. < 1338473666 451698 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*out* < 1338473687 371264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE WELCOME < 1338473700 998703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338473813 133804 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see why it wins. It leaves decoys that are too large for dreadnought to handle. < 1338473868 880021 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than that...it always leaves them where you will encounter them < 1338473914 516451 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that's why it beats dreadnought but not juggernaut < 1338474099 203718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you discussing counterpoke? < 1338474105 816586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK wait I'll actually check the history now. < 1338474108 959950 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1338474124 191680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the Ages of Goblins are broken up by brief Golden Ages. < 1338474133 950623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They fight back! < 1338474135 184380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's reasonably comprehensive at beating "anything even vaguely similar to dreadnaught" < 1338474148 18782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes my slowpoke and Gregor's ffspg as well as dreadnaught < 1338474201 708789 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that way. I could theoretically beat it by making several bigger decoys, but that would take dreadnought out of first place. < 1338474287 510874 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program is this? < 1338474287 877845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced making several bigger decoys /would/ beat it, unless you were careful about how you made them < 1338474289 920647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough all the dorf civs survived. < 1338474292 623820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: counterpoke < 1338474307 803984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elves were wiped out in the first millennium, though. < 1338474362 434261 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building 8 size 70 decoys might beat counterpoke, since it would slow it down by a lot. < 1338474374 519887 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not sure about different polarities. < 1338474405 146421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're building 8 size 70 decoys, on tapes longer than 18 or so it's going to build more than 8 < 1338474411 159990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/and/ skip several of them < 1338474450 490041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also AFAICT one goblin civ kidnapped tens of dorf children a year. < 1338474454 737436 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. That's now been made apparent looking at the animations. < 1338474463 610784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Definitely* need to start a fortress in this one. < 1338474538 34457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I will put a convenient bin full of masterwork adamantine arms and armour behind a locked door, build a self-operating danger room, start an adventurer and cut every single goblin to pieces. < 1338474546 763828 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess the question now is, can that be made into a new #1 program? < 1338474578 287435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1338474588 391091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beating a lot of things, but still quite a way down the leaderboard < 1338474588 890258 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if people keep making pokes that do well :P < 1338474608 619127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I modified the second half of the program to do decently against rush too < 1338474631 22806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it struggles against weirder tactics, although it confuses most of my defence stuff quite adequately because my defence stuff's never seen anything quite like it before < 1338474659 830127 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yesssss < 1338474675 969671 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised it's not higher on the chart, given the number of wins it has. < 1338474699 534232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1338474705 971134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that a lot of them are quite close < 1338474724 520667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a perfect 42 against quintopia's modification of your program (because it was supposed to :P), but most of its wins aren't so dramatic < 1338474805 283165 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now it's got a 38 against dreadnought, it seems to lose on tapes of length 30. < 1338474829 168911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably because it's incorrectly detecting rush rather than poke < 1338474840 268787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that the poke's taking an awfully long time to detect < 1338474851 538823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing that'd make it worse against all the rush programs, so I think this is a decent tradeoff < 1338474957 316336 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I love how ill_bet_you_have_four_decoys is still top 10 < 1338474974 866206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four is a very popular value :) < 1338474978 434034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another goblin civ has meanwhile declared war on the collective wildlife of the south. < 1338475035 389156 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost made a program a while ago that exploited the fact that most programs leave even numbers. < 1338475055 286339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love exploiting patterns like that < 1338475086 220335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the whole turtle phenomenon (which has now mostly died down, to the extent that I don't even bother counter-turtling any more in rush programs) < 1338475112 834737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like Pokémon all over again < 1338475122 385647 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still tweak the flag to counter those < 1338475127 585277 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rush is not very effective on turtle < 1338475131 630535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting the sense that there are no actual goblins running the goblin civs these days. < 1338475132 718356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: how far? < 1338475141 443304 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 3 ticks < 1338475142 405054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the abductions are by kidnapped humans. < 1338475145 467144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reasonable turtle will be able to beat small tweaks in the flag value < 1338475147 635316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is probably not enough < 1338475154 143791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, reavers! < 1338475181 320085 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used 3 because it again leaves another odd number. < 1338475222 117222 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'll check to see what happens when I change that to 5. < 1338475236 561833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll slow down the program for no meaningful benefit, I imagine < 1338475241 347233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23! < 1338475245 139036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typically use ranges of 8 or 16 either way when turtling < 1338475256 763165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: counterpoke could do better if it dinged its own flag more. careless clear owns it < 1338475270 309962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, I probably should < 1338475281 704035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't cost much to adjust it by even 30 or 40 or so < 1338475300 511133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember what a philip is
< 1338475330 897701 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/897bccf7/save.php?hash=9ba085da526b684aa1046e0e418f7256 < 1338475333 397297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at lists of historical figures shows no goblins at all at the end. < 1338475334 481410 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.3 < 1338475355 312811 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, almost no difference. < 1338475357 794467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm getting the sense that the Ages of Goblins largely took place after goblins became extinct. < 1338475359 214537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so... the goblins died out, but their civilization was mainly human? < 1338475371 431865 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dreadnought http://tinypaste.com/1328e20a/save.php?hash=cb611bb2a4eb7886b9284a83efd79878 < 1338475374 702053 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_dreadnought: 70.9 < 1338475382 879116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abducted humans, I think. < 1338475385 486904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loses only to counterpoke and waterfall2 < 1338475387 409840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or humans born into 'slavery'. < 1338475404 383639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slaves eventually outnumbered their masters and took over < 1338475435 99773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that waterfall2 loss is probably coincidental and fixable with constant tweaking < 1338475439 373124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO 'took over'. < 1338475476 245664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, doesn't legitimately beat anticipation, which I really need to find a better way to compress < 1338475504 114469 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I haven't done much tweaking with dreadnought. Maybe I should... < 1338475526 745249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the waterfall series is in general very sensitive to tweaking everywhere < 1338475527 761595 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not sure how without reposting it a few thousand times. < 1338475532 160134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even wrote a genetic tweaker to help improve it < 1338475563 569792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, filtering for 'Snodub', a goblin name, shows no goblins at all after the first century. < 1338475569 46866 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took a while to beat the waterfall series. < 1338475572 245287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can grab the hill via hg, and use an offline client to do calculations < 1338475616 538583 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the time today, maybe later. < 1338475652 102170 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, writing a custom offline client sounds fun < 1338475671 394161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one because the others were too slow or unreliable < 1338475681 367315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing < 1338475719 515250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and combined it with some scripts, and now it has a whole load of features telling you things like what's changed in terms of what you beat from last time you ran it, and its loss reasons broken down by type, program, length and polarity < 1338475737 193794 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338475739 928106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, according to elliott, the polarities are called "sieve" and "kettle") < 1338475757 736239 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive! Could that be used on any program? < 1338475791 808430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so; it doesn't work on some of the things on the hill, I can't remember whether that's notation differences or something else, it's been a while < 1338475801 354749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are cornercases in whitespace, etc., that interps disagree on < 1338475863 67643 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also noticed that different interpreters expand programs differently. < 1338475882 229165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best interpreters don't expand them at all, they run the expansions "mentally" to save memory < 1338475895 334386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RbWF < 1338475903 675840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(runprog.sh, and juiced.c) < 1338475949 594795 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the reference. < 1338475957 881743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even seems to use a sane indentation style < 1338475967 303754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must not have been in a trollish mood when I wrote it < 1338475979 211431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338476068 379700 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that I found odd about the current interpreter on the hill is that it won't accept something like ([+)*3(-)*4([-)2(])*5 < 1338476085 322158 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just give an unmatched brace error. < 1338476089 117385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1338476092 871810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is on purpose < 1338476102 113927 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do that sort of thing, use ({})% < 1338476128 873789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, (a{b}c)%d is equivalent to (a)*db(c)*d < 1338476145 975865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it allows open brackets in part a to be matched by close brackets in part c < 1338476156 323243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these rules are to make it possible to execute even large programs efficiently < 1338476163 887915 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/efficiently/without expansion/ < 1338476172 341354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expanding would be inefficient < 1338476176 297405 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1338476182 644717 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there are lots of other inefficiencies in the world ;) < 1338476197 319691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1338476205 68617 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are amking it possible to execute them efficiently < 1338476209 224237 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not making it mandatory < 1338476212 286205 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without expanding, the interpreter could store brace jumppoints in a stack rather than explicitly checking them. < 1338476234 916855 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking could be a single pass over the program at the start. < 1338476258 802686 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonsense >([ [+++[(-[{>>>>[[-]>]}])%5]] ]+>)*21 < 1338476261 514229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_nonsense: 3.2 < 1338476280 694938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what was that about? < 1338476286 784606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks sort-of like a serious program < 1338476290 107791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on closer inspection it can't be < 1338476293 836085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also, there is a 9700 year old goblin. < 1338476303 914032 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaah what < 1338476306 22328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought there weren't any goblins < 1338476325 738106 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's beats dreadnaught by a narrow margin, and nothing else ;) < 1338476335 659187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1338476338 442173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the >>>> is for < 1338476344 289487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember doing that in insidious at one point < 1338476353 959321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there apparently are, they're just a tiny minority. < 1338476384 679292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And *that* goblin was a slave of a human civ (as in human-human, not 'goblin'-human) who settled in a tomb for some reason. < 1338476390 151288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And got married at the age of 191. < 1338476409 876375 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, now I have two losses. < 1338476432 78584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: I was rushing off dreadnaught-beaters really frequently earlier to needle quintopia < 1338476459 80922 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing about that. < 1338476464 355654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidious was added, and undermine re-added, to beat his beats-everything tweaks to your programs via methods he hadn't thought of < 1338476495 187200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :undermine is trivially easy to beat if you know how it works, incidentally < 1338476514 716794 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: the current insidious loses against dreadnought < 1338476517 315638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although things that beat undermine tend to lose to counterpoke, so there's a nice pincer movement going on there < 1338476520 689710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1338476538 247235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too easy to beat insidious by changing your decoy setup just a bit, and rather hard to compensate < 1338476540 377110 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wasn't needled. < 1338476550 210793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at needling people < 1338476582 855968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fizzie_evo4 beats counterpoke on short tapes. that must be embarassing! (flag-dinging would take care of that) < 1338476613 235097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses hyper-rush on short tapes because there's no room for decoys and even if they were they'd be skipped by rule of 9 < 1338476618 972081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't put a counter-vibration on it < 1338476622 630113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I should have done < 1338476643 443826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterpoke is still far from optimised, it still uses a mindbogglingly standard offset clear, for instance < 1338476672 505316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and to think, there were days of BF Joust programming where people didn't know about offset clears yet because they hadn't been invented) < 1338476682 687092 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i noticed that the tape lengths where collision beats it are those where rule of 9 skips its carefully placed decoys < 1338476723 107413 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... I wonder how counterpoke would do with a juggernaut attack? < 1338476739 19817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: I tried an insidious attack but it made it way worse < 1338476778 354618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine an extreme juggernaught attack would also hurt; it's either set so many decoys that its clear speed doesn't really matter, or it's in a race where the opponent hasn't had much of a chance to set decoys < 1338476785 405055 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jimblyworlds.com/movies/promo.asf < 1338476792 753654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies a simple clear loop would be better < 1338476827 210346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, I should do something like [-[-]][-[-]]> to make sure (which is guaranteed both vibration-proof and triplock-proof, although not immune to regular locks) < 1338476856 977080 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, proof against losing to vibration, it can still draw < 1338476868 117917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also needs a timer clear to beat anticipations and regular locks < 1338476876 286077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but heavy counterdefence isn't what I'm focusing on atm < 1338476877 201972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idea: place the first large decoy to the point where you back-off and then the second by the flag for tapes shorter than 20 < 1338476889 180933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fizzie`, you're good at data manipulation, right? < 1338476890 750653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I'm pretty much the only person who writes defence programs good enough to stick around on the hill anyway < 1338476891 357570 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_juggernaut http://tinypaste.com/929dd6d4/save.php?hash=5def4fb0ec698c0c9124f023b2d52e51 < 1338476894 230270 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would give rule of 9 skips something to hang up on < 1338476894 561318 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_juggernaut: 36.5 < 1338476908 260508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wouldn't work unless they set a lot of decoys < 1338476914 776751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, they'd outrace us even with the decoy near the flag < 1338476930 566767 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1338476945 924235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if they don't set a lot of decoys, they reach the flag before we set the flag decoy < 1338476952 360064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any reasonable program can quickly clear a chain of 2s < 1338476969 213388 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lunatic (>)*9(+)*127(<(-)*127<(+)*127)*4(>)*8(>(+)*24[-])*21 < 1338476970 144446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do set a lot of decoys, their lots are going to hold us up longer than our one < 1338476971 956424 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_lunatic: 15.4 < 1338476973 217262 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several unreasonable programs :P < 1338476987 841533 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm done writing things just to narrowly beat juggernaut ;) < 1338476993 77208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, dreadnaught < 1338477007 668669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :narrowly beating the top program is fun < 1338477011 657023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as fun when they do it to you < 1338477043 232331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I remember when waterfall3 had 100% win rate, elliott made it all-wins-but-1-which-is-a-draw by submitting /the exact same program/, and I tweaked a constant to beat it to < 1338477044 685055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1338477045 61738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch counterpoke vs. jix_wiggle3 or collision < 1338477045 232329 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it might somethimes help there < 1338477046 544168 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice -3 on dreadnought. < 1338477067 215538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how collision works any more < 1338477171 948870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it helps against myndzi, and against weird stuff < 1338477176 76145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hurts against ffspg < 1338477184 433070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not beating ffspg is close to unforgivable for a counterpoke :) < 1338477195 535702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, going home < 1338477196 522525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1338477231 466585 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust counterpoke_juggernaut < < 1338477234 437770 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for david_werecat_counterpoke_juggernaut: 0.0 < 1338477443 816398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the XML dump for the legends is larger than Emacs' maximum buffer size. < 1338477828 939152 :david_werecat!4346fde2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.70.253.226 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1338477943 678656 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how big is it? < 1338477984 792678 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What legends < 1338477990 224067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5 GB. < 1338478000 42146 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, the LEGENDS OF ROCK < 1338478005 58219 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1338478007 227429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, for the DF world I generated. < 1338478019 721409 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1338478020 648774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the smallest built-in size and the largest possible history. < 1338478025 483228 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it in XML < 1338478048 265609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The save isn't, but you can dump to it. < 1338478060 672900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did so so I can faff around trying to work things out more easily. < 1338478117 518787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises he doesn't know the standard command for "display lines n to m".
< 1338478197 27323 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338478202 89626 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338478215 757915 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338478253 806061 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: standard command in unix shell or in some text editor? < 1338478275 719073 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closses I can get a fortress name to someone in this channel is "oklinfok sh" < 1338478345 326966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 148005702 - 55155053 < 1338478346 448230 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 92850649 < 1338478408 977865 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-224-65.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1338478557 920745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I have no idea when the last goblin was born. < 1338478576 347377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a world to /play/, dammit < 1338478770 81249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that, except I got scared off for a bit when I got slammed with two massive migrant waves which threw off a lot of my plans, and then a human arrived with an FB-style announcement. < 1338478838 390404 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1338478854 872272 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FB-style? You have 1 new friend request, elliott hird has asked you to help with his farm on FarmVille? < 1338478968 960955 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been invited to the group I'll Bet a Goblin Horde can get More Likes than Dwarves < 1338479145 79600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338480378 394179 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338480389 764491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I present, for your reading pleasure, a quote by the least eloquent man imaginable: < 1338480391 403498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was not only grotesque, it was just very sad, the amount of blood," Sgt. Javier Ortiz, vice president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, told the Associated Press. "It was very sad to see what happened to this gentleman that had his face eaten." < 1338480407 859116 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338480525 678535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh god. whatever happened to picking the best talker for press conferences? < 1338480573 949413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this guy's speaking style is more grotesque than the crime ^^' < 1338480583 639177 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, that was an awful thing to say X-D) < 1338480681 156313 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gamble of starting on an aquifer hasn't paid off < 1338481123 300353 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338481246 199319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1338481305 30940 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338481527 147379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338481559 415767 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-200.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1338481637 127959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338481737 141753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZTE4dw yay, I broke it < 1338481776 34253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp < 1338481949 95554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fixed now < 1338482017 774959 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, elliott < 1338482034 4847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a picture of a cached copy of an error message? < 1338482078 499807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I have no idea why it cached the error :P < 1338482081 607040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it even did. < 1338482305 656888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have you realised that you're not a ? < 1338482315 663140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338482321 634577 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/grepgui/ < 1338482376 176238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read about the epic history of Teyo Alino, The World of Dawning? < 1338482387 132953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: help < 1338482419 876312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is, porlbme < 1338482443 929825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's teyo alino < 1338482455 102595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i have a simple view of reality that goes something like this.. once your sufficiently well tied up.. it doesn't make a difference if your enemy has a knife or a gun.. you're equally screwed < 1338482458 13199 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORLD... OF DAWNING < 1338482458 271766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) i have a simple view of reality that goes something like this.. once your sufficiently well tied up.. it doesn't make a difference if your enemy has a knife or a gun.. you're equally screwed < 1338482486 186549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338482486 740278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338482487 406786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338482488 166536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338482490 174558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1338482496 326003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :120) cmake is a nuclear powered waffle iron powered by a burning-hot testicle attachment and it burns one of the waffles and doesn't touch the other. < 1338482496 823399 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :281) Phantom_Hoover: if the list is in random order, like poor ehird here < 1338482498 842572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :654) ...Overlapping? < 1338482506 724428 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :715) Hey, I found Gregor on Spokeo. He's a married black male in his late 50s who lives in an apartment worth about $37,000. He did not go to college and works in sales. He lives in Detroit. I... think we might have found the wrong one. < 1338482507 173860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 654 < 1338482507 246453 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1338482511 69770 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* ...Overlapping? < 1338482519 850608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was that added < 1338482522 198692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i did it < 1338482562 272035 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was the hoover. < 1338482587 888485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's a really tiny DF world I generated with history set to 10,000 years. < 1338482605 996016 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : `log Sgeo 2011-10-14.txt:06:38:16: ...Overlapping? `addquote ...Overlapping? < 1338482615 448074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1338482619 234783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you ` < 1338482619 830164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts < 1338482627 210903 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I did not notice. < 1338482629 173865 :fizzie`!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :fizzie < 1338482635 473606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: With the >1k year war? < 1338482655 561993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gist of it is that nearly 9600 of those years were spent in five different "Ages of Goblins", in spite of the fact that goblins became a tiny minority by the 3rd century. < 1338482677 274644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The goblin civs are composed almost entirely of the descendents of abducted humans and dorfs. < 1338482704 98589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338482708 429972 :fizzie!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Changing host < 1338482708 502691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1338482713 307997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You *must* start a fortress. < 1338482717 302242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the goblin invasions. < 1338482747 95947 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The elves, near as I can tell, were almost totally eradicated.) < 1338482764 645225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god. < 1338482778 382033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: With the >1k year war? < 1338482785 228648 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was a different one. < 1338482797 360534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, seriously, we need a new featured language. < 1338482799 852285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really checked the wars that much because there's so much goddam history. < 1338482828 614171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goddamn < 1338482838 784329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which language should I feature we seriously need a new one. < 1338482849 54541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESME < 1338482911 281557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway Taneb started generating a 5000 year pocket world and it got up to the 14th Age of Fairytales before DF crashed on him. < 1338482914 899234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quite jealous. < 1338482999 706844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it crashed when I was reading the legends < 1338483022 105675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1338483033 637678 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just froze < 1338483047 328847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh also I dumped the history as XML and the file was 3.5GB. < 1338483054 580506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338483061 569838 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how do you dump it as XML? < 1338483101 565505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit x in legends mode. < 1338483105 544160 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay! < 1338483106 205128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may have problems with this method. < 1338483107 531712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye now! < 1338483115 960258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338483350 481060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also there's a 9700 year old goblin who was made a slave by the humans but was later freed and settled down in a tomb. < 1338483358 625305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1338483387 800598 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1338483919 483840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.humblebundle.com/ Again??????? < 1338483927 586587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, roman numerals. Classy. < 1338483939 350398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey it has Psychonauts. It's that game I've never played. < 1338483942 749184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet shachaf will tell me to buy it. < 1338483955 25519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played Bastion either. Maybe I should buy this thing. < 1338483957 546247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Should I buy this thing? < 1338483970 140763 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338483980 743936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, you can get on the top contributors list by paying $20 right now < 1338483989 804686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quick! < 1338483996 230868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1338484000 565979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy "irc.freenode.net #esoteric" for $50 before it's too late. < 1338484029 752972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not buying it, the only game there I want to play I've got on steam and doesn't like my video card < 1338484031 65619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's Psychonauts. Worth playing so much. < 1338484036 718583 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would we want people to come here >_> < 1338484043 305131 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just spent a lot of money < 1338484047 809938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It would be SO MUCH FUN. < 1338484064 271056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :It is 2005 and there is time to be the internati-anal hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment. http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338484075 263969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :pOJNFSERIYU90J64IOKTRD http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338484097 526688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Topic redacted http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338484098 717821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the games in the < 1338484098 891968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humble Indie Bundle V work < 1338484098 964258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Mac, Windows, and Linux. < 1338484103 439574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts was ported to Linux????? < 1338484106 352597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ??????? < 1338484131 356278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I vote deadfish to be the featured language < 1338484142 679549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The article... sort of needs a slight cleanup. < 1338484159 607215 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't want to be the one who does that < 1338484170 432097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE YOU JUST VOLUNTEERED < 1338484286 28943 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-143-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently it was ported. < 1338484294 157542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1338484306 585879 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, zzo38 < 1338484331 976558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338484497 427498 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that acceptable!? < 1338484503 994878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1338484515 711662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish article < 1338484547 473061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No, since you actually made it factually incorrect. < 1338484554 704455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1338484557 153931 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HumbleBundle has Psychonauts?! < 1338484558 154714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338484560 417716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has Bastion and Psychonauts. < 1338484564 232667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, I said. < 1338484567 946236 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should buy it! < 1338484569 434080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1338484577 595667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see any reason not to buy it. < 1338484591 853331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it also has Amnesia: The Dark Descent and I might be tempted to play it? < 1338484616 958422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretend < 1338484622 362727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Deadfish can deal with >8-bit values. < 1338484623 307583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is a really pretentious artsy game < 1338484632 528768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a troubled young woman with anterograde amnesia < 1338484634 190195 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not until you square it! < 1338484646 717628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1338484664 699750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1338484668 94974 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338484686 241019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine < 1338485077 325580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so OK I'm thinking we should do a succession fortress on that 'goblin' world, except then after a while we make loads of masterwork adamantine weapons and armour, build a self-operating danger room and then abandon it, return in Adventure Mode and emerge as the figurehead of goblin^Wbrainwashed human/dwarf death. < 1338485101 468581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing Adventure Mode. < 1338485106 789952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can. < 1338485114 179936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the least fun thnig. < 1338485115 44200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing. < 1338485118 343574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what does Prelude.Generalize.(<>>=) do < 1338485301 176741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK so I don't know how to float. < 1338485340 55099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338485369 91723 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They even have Linux/OS X ports of Psychonauts! < 1338485377 502715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Like >>= but the result values are ignored and it uses the other one instead. < 1338485377 590289 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frabjous day indeed! < 1338485387 540862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1338485392 125037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I noted that too. < 1338485399 856614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Bastion ported to Linux? But it's XNA, isn't it? < 1338485402 749404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems...painful. < 1338485426 212086 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, because I am bored and writing documentation < 1338485439 105875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *am* documentation. < 1338485450 465785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing elliott < 1338485454 704934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott elliott elliott < 1338485459 816523 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun, everyone should try it < 1338485471 19998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example getLine <>>= putStrLn will result the input even though it is also copied to the output as well, and (<>>= guard . f) is like filter f < 1338485514 236567 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338485544 154799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you write a document for Prelude.Generalize then show me what you have, or even just upload a version including the documentation as long as you make no other changes at all to the program < 1338485555 140255 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just done bool so far < 1338485666 928531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could someone explain Alternative's some and many? < 1338485671 190862 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what they do at all < 1338485693 199810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative's some and many can be used with parsers < 1338485765 239525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If <|> means the right side is used if the left side failed, then many means try multiple times until they fail and collect the results. < 1338485775 507194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, some is similar but at least one. < 1338486139 521682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338486179 822523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, a bundle. < 1338486222 163965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of Bastion, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Psychonauts and LIMBO have been so very much recommended, and I haven't any of them. Oh no. < 1338486224 484722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It has Bastonauts! And Psychion. < 1338486259 722526 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Play Psychonauts! < 1338486264 248512 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's the game to play. < 1338486280 575089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've heard. < 1338486352 386978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've seen people play LIMBO and it looked nice. And of course Bastion, based on Steam's "community" stuff my wife's brother has been playing it a whole lot. < 1338486364 793208 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why does (!!!) need Alternative? Surely Applicative would do? < 1338486418 593887 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nevermind < 1338486663 579548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338487039 182477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what does fair do? < 1338487587 131453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338487690 470522 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember that Reddit thread with return . f . unsafePerformIO? < 1338487695 556025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1338487711 820097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's returned with a vengeance < 1338487738 687209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1338487745 180335 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has? < 1338487755 260938 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1338487777 770873 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338487883 273394 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338487883 537634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1338487906 494243 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy == popular < 1338488139 69371 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235173244.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338488176 200468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338488176 604219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338488180 213498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh. < 1338488186 527178 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338488187 240929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1338488190 799648 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338488191 379253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1338488193 973367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages????? < 1338488194 642111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1338488206 920076 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Ngevd heheheh < 1338488207 448157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338488210 174868 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1338488214 49754 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338488214 685946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 7s ago: heheheh < 1338488220 194391 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! popular < 1338488221 414864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily hi < 1338488221 709759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338488224 756365 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1338488227 952867 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338488228 118548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 6s ago: hi < 1338488232 415199 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh! < 1338488244 213002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott bonjour! < 1338488244 516660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338488250 681425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1338488250 927429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1338488253 413752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1338488253 875063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 9s ago: bonjour! < 1338488259 544284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1338488387 109807 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338488448 160938 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338488520 63357 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38? < 1338488670 297736 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1338488670 407433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1338488919 940973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There is no zzo38. (At least not at this moment.) < 1338488926 271851 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1338488934 105717 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why tab-completion is a good idea < 1338488940 247309 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 What does fair do? < 1338488940 565479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338489288 60509 :MDude!~fyrc@c-24-125-201-227.hsd1.va.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338491070 433055 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338491125 203029 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338491257 820598 :tswett!~tswett@171.64.42.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338491807 180703 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the length limit on egobot's bfj programs < 1338491938 237564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is one < 1338491946 466742 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It accepts urls < 1338491950 907027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: big, but not infinite < 1338491951 668271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1338491971 327433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its it character or line limit? < 1338491995 675439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :size < 1338492050 792055 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. is 5MB too big? < 1338492555 623039 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132F65.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338492701 900602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tias < 1338492719 934647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, the CANNIBAL DRUG has reached sweden < 1338492739 598164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than DEATHDRUGS < 1338492741 864404 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats canniabl drug < 1338492873 473289 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :drug that eats other drugs? < 1338492933 151999 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :It was very sad to see what happened to this gentleman that had his face eaten. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338493013 596211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338493044 148479 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1338493046 77270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1338493081 849104 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :DISCUSS ESOLANGS OR ELSE | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338493106 834722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :else is such a lovely keyword, isn't it < 1338493133 239952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a woman's name < 1338493181 131220 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why I am suddenly remined of KieliX, line number basic with keywords in finnish < 1338493238 369373 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338493270 62253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no contradiction. There are 3.5 billion women on Earth and 3.5 billion men and still it's sometimes hard to find a date ;-) What we need is a Haskell dating service. < 1338493274 365359 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338493362 364645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you lazy, yet still functional? Try the Haskell dating service!" < 1338493397 615414 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1338493442 169289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Just look at those enormous monads. < 1338493519 743396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and then the monad transformer spam < 1338493542 576968 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you remove the Monad requirement for MonadPlus's, you end up with something slightly less useful than a Monoid < 1338493631 658262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338493672 312987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You end up with exactly a Monoid, don't you? Just lifted a kind higher for some reason. < 1338493681 924543 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1338493689 697286 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Monoid, with some broken instances < 1338493713 769260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, the laws are all messed up. < 1338493715 683546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell sucks. < 1338493723 287939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you buying the Bumble Hundle? < 1338493734 175024 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, spending money on other things atm < 1338493737 164527 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may next week < 1338493743 366025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey figure out when the statistical best time to buy the Bundle is to make the average the lowest so that I can get Bastion for the lowest price. < 1338493758 344656 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as soon as possible < 1338493771 387304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Are you sure? I figure early adopters pay more. < 1338493778 787142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As time goes on the cheapskates will pick it up and the average will go down. < 1338493781 408351 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have a reason to pay above the average, so the average keeps rising < 1338493792 135800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. But a lot of people already own Bastion. < 1338493803 606687 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already own Amnesia < 1338493809 398958 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I paid for it TWICE < 1338493811 937933 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither time worked < 1338493875 719029 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never heard of Bastion, what is Bastion < 1338493891 902444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The average's gone up from $6.68 to $7.20 in the last... two hours or so. < 1338493904 268219 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :DISCUSS THIS GENTLEMAN THAT HAD HIS FACE EATEN OR ELSE | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338493904 340617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, buy before it is too late! < 1338493944 577091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible for the average to rise above what I'm willing to pay for it. < 1338493949 287045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338493967 483639 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you willing to pay for it? < 1338493982 626871 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION already bought
< 1338494008 129171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i already own psychonauts on steam... < 1338494013 113752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338494110 77213 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338494117 690156 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338494195 62556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net TOPIC #esoteric :DISCUSS EUCALYPTUS TREES AND OR MAYBE LIKE SO TOTALLY | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1338494207 857405 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ruining myself on all those bundles... < 1338494257 477541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought N bundles and played 0 bundle games. < 1338494324 632995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite enjoyed Machinarium < 1338494496 36470 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338494642 338855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought five bundles now; been skipping them, lately. < 1338494778 750919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I skipped the Botanica thing because it looked rubbish. < 1338494780 739444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the Android one. < 1338494790 590978 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1338494792 277505 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-68-182.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1338494792 691808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That wasn't actually Android exclusive, bizarrely.) < 1338494833 883513 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend convinced me to try out osmos. < 1338494840 658865 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this friend who wants to be referred gomrade Osku who apways buys one of these bundles for 10€ or more and then proceeds to download them using bittorrent < 1338494859 991768 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmos is stressful! < 1338494865 39212 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comrade < 1338494874 472803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338494882 950349 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*always < 1338494899 822293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I remember that one. I think. < 1338494927 677809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's like a 2D katamari with weird abstract colourful circles. < 1338494942 833063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds nice < 1338494968 349708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice and immersive, all with the soothing soundtrack. < 1338494986 628084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound stressful :P < 1338495096 182447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Machinarium from the bundle! < 1338495097 787155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was good. < 1338495114 681147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is. you just don't know you are stressed until you stop playing. < 1338495114 753537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "play machinarium" < 1338495131 648026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: hehe, I think that applies to a lot of games < 1338495265 255656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338495463 855375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/dfworldgen/comments/thn00/working_on_generating_a_10000year_massive_world/c4okccr < 1338495467 490474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy is hardcore. < 1338495491 232934 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338495500 278690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also terrible at assembling a stable computer, apparently. < 1338495530 335732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stable computers aren't hardcore. < 1338496225 711563 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye all! < 1338496226 957307 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7 < 1338496338 596118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily hi < 1338496338 762622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1338496555 940557 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1338496633 408561 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132F65.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725] < 1338496744 822915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also elliott re that Psychonauts Linux port, I've heard that Team Meat made really shitty Linux ports so they could get into the HIB and never updated them again. < 1338496769 96082 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338496775 413285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes but come on, it's Double Fine. < 1338496784 26247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is *trust* in my heart. < 1338496831 748915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Bastion isn't XNA. < 1338496855 124159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (It's sad that people are exploiting the Humble Bundle's wonderful cross-platform initiative like that.) < 1338496874 835688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're practically single-handedly dominating the Linux games market by requiring ports. < 1338497012 815551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Tim_Schafer_2011.jpg Doesn't this look like a guy you can trust to make a good Linux port? < 1338497027 940131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His beard is quite trustworthy. < 1338497052 368766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Ron Gilbert uses emacs. < 1338497187 288081 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1338497227 599241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realised it was indie, though. < 1338497236 685574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be hilarious if there was a Valve HIB. < 1338497286 703246 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tf2 pay what you want < 1338497806 499019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's indie? < 1338497822 657974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: a steal -jesus < 1338497827 589630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it amounts to 'self published'. < 1338498030 51633 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338498147 809771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indie means "not EA" < 1338498163 664381 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-209-2.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/sub/14499/ < 1338498242 641047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean, you never realised what was indie? < 1338498328 703035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts. < 1338498464 561405 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :indie is work done independed of big bad corporations like Touhou Project < 1338498505 988133 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. Touhou Project is indie work, not corporation < 1338498525 670975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kobold shows up 7 steps from the nearest soldier. < 1338498582 687717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, even better, it was 2 steps from an armed marksdorf. < 1338498912 979579 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1338499044 697761 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the term indie seems ill-defined at best < 1338499179 211096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Double Fine has 65 employees. < 1338499197 783409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might not be indie, but they're hardly "mainstream". < 1338499214 655242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have any idea who made it to begin with. < 1338499227 116085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Tim Schafer. :p < 1338499411 324300 :cswords__!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:6d72:fbf:81fe:b2f9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1338499417 23973 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had negative, yet enduring, opinions about X since day one. < 1338499604 372582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1338499628 293830 :cswords_!~cswords@2601:d:a900:0:5cb:d322:e0e1:f335 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1338500836 193432 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an individual develops a game on their own time, unrelated to any company they are a part of, and if that individual owns all the associated intellectual property, then i imagine that at that point it's an indie game < 1338500854 646156 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unrelated to" probably isn't formal enough < 1338501001 851764 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have no ties to any companies then it must be indie < 1338501040 157766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :indie just means you receive no funds from nintendo, sony, ms, or EA < 1338501050 172422 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this gets tricky < 1338501058 485892 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because thats the publishing side of things < 1338501062 614608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1338501063 703764 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. < 1338501073 852452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are independent of major publishers < 1338501077 311008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore indie < 1338501078 640900 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same game indie or non-indie based on who publishes it? < 1338501080 13331 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1338501091 51260 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1338501102 854491 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm undecided on valve < 1338501132 472612 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they feel indie, but are very big and have steam < 1338501179 500441 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose a game can be indie if it gets re-published by a major publisher after it has already been published < 1338501210 232278 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then it has totally sold out < 1338501329 204176 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so at this point we see that companies have all started bringing in an appstore of one kind or another < 1338501344 423013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1338501344 591786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1338501369 823868 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1338501383 579842 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of xbox the restriction is you have to make it run in dot net.. < 1338501400 294889 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Can't be in C++? < 1338501431 309360 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: well i'm specficially speaking of XBLIG .. i.. better double check < 1338501542 205533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing lists reminder day < 1338501564 607963 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they have to use XNA. and XNA requires dot net < 1338501703 465443 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No C++? < 1338501739 566284 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaaame. < 1338501745 752096 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on another note "iPhone applications, like Mac OS X, are written in Objective-C,[3] with some elements of an application able to be written in C or C++." < 1338501820 208774 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: i dunno man.. the actual limits seem quite complicated < 1338501849 330975 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Objective C a real bitch to work with? < 1338501860 499206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple is probably the cause of most Objective-C code by now. < 1338501897 934803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's (AFAIK) actually a C superset, unlike C++. < 1338501941 487572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Well, nothing's worse than C++. < 1338501945 991626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, apart from the things that are worse than C++. < 1338501947 53109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C is a superset of C because they made the syntax so weird that no sane C compile would be able to compile it. < 1338501952 497057 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki says "After Steve Jobs left Apple Inc., he started the company NeXT. In 1988, NeXT licensed Objective-C from StepStone" < 1338501972 628068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 2012 and people saying "wiki" for "Wikipedia" still bugs me. :( < 1338501978 95851 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Agreed. < 1338501986 405188 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1338501988 889676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikiwikipedia < 1338502003 876254 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't referring to the esolang wiki < 1338502012 792733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wikipedia is the first website that anyone can edit. < 1338502017 117875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it on wiki! < 1338502045 790295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've just realised that there are a lot more married dorfs. < 1338502177 219795 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you happen to have an idea about why I still can't get loops to work? I've stepped through my code by hand, inserted debugging statements, etc. and I still don't know what the hell is going on. I'm not using any weird gcc-specific or low-level tricks. http://ideone.com/tMRpf < 1338502198 744834 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is for a Brainfuck interpreter, for those who just joined in on my saga) < 1338502247 475897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assign... fizzie to the case. < 1338502253 104602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also oerjan. < 1338502270 877141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assign elliott to assigning people to cases. < 1338502272 983380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanent post. < 1338502346 385840 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie and oerjan working on the same case... this sounds like a buddy cop movie < 1338502371 78975 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying in particular to run a program that prints factorials infinitely. I know it works because it runs fine on IDEone. < 1338502429 734184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asleep, it's not a good idea to assign me. < 1338502471 383760 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pondering whether app store games are indie < 1338502561 81829 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say most are, you'd really have to look at the company itself to make the distinction. < 1338502584 875299 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the (really, really shitty) Android port of Contra 4 was made by Konami. Yeah, indie, OK. < 1338502639 94139 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to me, the one who runs the app store becomes the publisher < 1338502667 223723 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then Microsoft published everything on XBLA? < 1338502674 818072 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what im pondering < 1338502686 621477 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. uh.. < 1338502687 577373 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the company still handles customers. < 1338502692 890528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman, is this just a vanilla BF interp in $language? < 1338502696 509954 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Customers, news, updates... < 1338502697 411455 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres XBLA vs XBLIG < 1338502705 173038 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: OK, fine, WiiWare. < 1338502719 884058 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, it's a vanilla Brainfuck interpreter in C++11. < 1338502732 250478 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do plan on implementing Extended Brainfuck later, but now I just wanna get this done. < 1338502740 560686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh no dont do bf derivs < 1338502744 1931 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1338502755 163762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See my wiki userpage :P < 1338502766 208262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extending the brainfuck language is like bolting parts to a skateboard in an attempt to build a pickup truck." -- daniel b cristofani < 1338502783 1119 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: well.. XBLIG and iPhone app stores are the cheapest to participate (i think (i havent looked up android) ) < 1338502784 883703 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's your name on the wiki? Your IRC name got no results. < 1338502790 625356 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up is probably WiiWare < 1338502828 700947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck derivatives are pretty unpopular in the community because there's a gigantic number of them already and they're rarely interesting < 1338502835 760090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Over 100) < 1338502839 571482 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not making any of my own, just implementing a few. < 1338502845 737924 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBLA is something like WiiWare but i don't know how much it costs to get in < 1338502856 754917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was just explaining the sentiment
< 1338502869 636504 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. I promise not to create a new BF derivative. < 1338502906 777097 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Any thoughts about my code? < 1338502911 420182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever implemented Csbjogvdl? < 1338502916 870115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover doesn't really code. < 1338502923 627097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually he doesn't really do much of anything.) < 1338502925 629811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does elliott. < 1338502928 672949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true. < 1338502933 41952 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a welsh brainfuck derivative? < 1338502951 446294 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a channel that appears primarily to coders. I don't even... < 1338502959 630722 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, ONLY to coders. < 1338502966 839195 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^appeals < 1338502982 589815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can be a computer scientist without being a coder. (But you won't be a very good one.) < 1338502984 11041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: What's your name on the wiki? Your IRC name got no results. < 1338502997 931351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to search "User:Phantom Hoover". < 1338503005 211157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MW uses a namespace for userpages. < 1338503011 684714 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. < 1338503028 978201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks for insulting every computer scientist in the first half of the last century! < 1338503037 285481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: YW. < 1338503048 304398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: (That was more like proto-computer-science.) < 1338503048 909317 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I promise not to create a new Brainfuck derivative. < 1338503059 360779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: It may be too late. < 1338503062 773521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocom-utersci-ence < 1338503067 471649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never know when your brain might become a brick. < 1338503079 605459 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need it, I'm starting college soon. D: < 1338503095 938174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snarky comment about definitely not needing it for that. < 1338503117 274333 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just need a healthy liver, apparently. < 1338503146 771603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Keep in mind that elliott *is* school. < 1338503164 166570 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, self-educated, no degree? < 1338503181 943416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just *am* school. Apparently. < 1338503188 427969 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like i am australia < 1338503188 855292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the abstract concept of school itself. < 1338503200 558597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! I thought you were the concrete concept. < 1338503210 21316 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK. < 1338503214 181968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the way BF is normally specified is kind of dumb. < 1338503214 350342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have concrete in England. < 1338503214 510290 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [*]is* australia < 1338503220 437137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: (I don't have a degree, though.) < 1338503239 291478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: i have no idea what's wrong with your program. cut you give a debug trace of a program which fails? < 1338503241 323606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338503241 489225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott *is* a degree. < 1338503242 919499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in the UK we have degrees but they're Celsius. < 1338503245 918016 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [*]is* australia < 1338503252 238573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1338503254 305000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it _might_ be in the details of c++ i don't know, of course) < 1338503261 888643 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [i]s australia < 1338503263 681514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log \*is\* australia < 1338503266 745278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*could < 1338503271 172937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-05-17.txt:17:53:25: itidus20 *is* Australia. < 1338503272 105977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-01-11.txt:23:04:36: dewi is australian < 1338503276 728543 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooooo < 1338503287 8237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A degree here is nine fifths of a degree in America. < 1338503289 522104 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Will do. < 1338503297 820393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log \\\*is\\\* < 1338503304 503816 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-05-31.txt:22:27:43: `log \*is\* australia < 1338503312 744899 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1338503318 832126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in America you start off with 32 of them. < 1338503345 21165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You should start off at -40, to make it fair. < 1338503368 397139 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Output is here. http://codepad.org/LUozzZvS The BF program's coming up. < 1338503396 427141 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Here you go. http://ideone.com/IGPXg < 1338503453 190231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: um your first paste looks like - not much... < 1338503460 66468 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Exactly. < 1338503478 567093 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet the BF program's supposed to go indefinitely. < 1338503529 871220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have any of your debug statements < 1338503548 183024 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, then I'll post another version with them. < 1338503570 164174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... pretty weird. < 1338503600 238528 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/GShNqeXy < 1338503602 5576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no, it's very weird. < 1338503638 752697 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a very tiny error, but I don't know what the hell it could be. < 1338503660 253631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried simple stuff like cat and HW? < 1338503674 200050 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, those work. The issue is nested loops. < 1338503722 539669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try something a little simpler with nested loops? < 1338503724 741343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ,[[.,]] < 1338503726 513170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just cat < 1338503753 100708 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[[.,]]!that's just cat < 1338503766 615197 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh probably the bot isn't here < 1338503796 723504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot < 1338503810 447165 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this one's broken. Output in a second, just putting in a debug statement. < 1338503946 428432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I really don't like the way BF's spec makes it sound like BF has no syntax. < 1338503963 469500 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/Xu0pRknQ < 1338503986 905428 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I'm trying to write a BF interpreter, but can't actually program in BF? < 1338503991 812058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1338504006 885626 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be if I were trying to implement, say, Lisp or C? < 1338504087 397254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You presumably understand /how/ to program in BF, but can't handle all the accounting required to actually do any complex operation. < 1338504105 778917 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what each instruction does, I know the standards, etc. < 1338504122 94554 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask me to write anything in it, and I'll point to the name. < 1338504131 296032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: um that doesn't look broken to me... < 1338504179 669377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't write bf programs either < 1338504182 848024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can < 1338504185 501705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suck at it < 1338504187 998944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much harder than writing an interp < 1338504194 344371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39 So yeah, I really don't like the way BF's spec makes it sound like BF has no syntax. < 1338504197 530632 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1338504198 96087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not realyl a spec < 1338504198 634418 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm? That's odd. < 1338504202 316552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go; but really, I'm asleep. < 1338504203 255343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sleeping i see < 1338504226 783597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there's the informal one Muller gives with his interpreter which is the standard way to specify the language. < 1338504246 862204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo standard < 1338504264 759134 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shit. I confused my debug statements as garbage output somehow. < 1338504276 798529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put it this way, I've never seen it specified another way. < 1338504282 422324 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That simple program works fine here. But Factorial's still puzzling me. < 1338504300 792008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And definitely not anywhere that a person would learn about it < 1338504385 276830 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still broken, though. Hm... < 1338504477 70470 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, BF is a mess < 1338504503 533780 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only barbarian monsters would program with it < 1338504524 493389 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1338504535 837282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost tempted to add a section to the esolangs page giving an actual grammar. < 1338504536 737104 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. don't pay attention to me................ < 1338504564 94501 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, itidus20, how can I fix my interpreter, then? :) < 1338504576 376306 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, thats why i said don't pay attention to me < 1338504596 129854 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running this program; http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/brainfuck/squares.b just brings the pointer below the first element, somehow. < 1338504628 832229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: it _looks_ to me like the factorial one might be actually ending the main loop and doing the three .'s in the final comment :P < 1338504631 286578 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not here for coding or for computer science.. no infact i am here for the social life < 1338504654 452148 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not in IDEone it's not. < 1338504676 507246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: i'm speaking about the debug trace < 1338504695 218406 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Social life, on IRC. Yeah, and I'm both of New York State's senators. < 1338504704 948966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have nextInstruction print, before execution, the locations (offsets) of the program and memory pointer and the values at those points; then compare that sort of trace with one you get by running the program on (virtual) pen and paper, and find the place of first deviation. < 1338504768 835521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then figure out why it does the wrong thing at that point.) < 1338504890 172922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: this channel is pretty social :P < 1338504973 522368 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd, currentinstruction ahd index (both of which are char*) show characters when I print them, and not addresses. < 1338504975 963074 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1338505099 837685 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shit, char pointers are c-strings. < 1338505123 88487 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I convert them to just a pointer, rather than a whole C-string? < 1338505144 228836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god all three of the marksdorfs are actually training at the archery range < 1338505146 611716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is beautiful < 1338505176 741764 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1338505183 107114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing Dwarf Fortress. < 1338505194 317756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: hm after going through the trace as best i can, i suspect that it is _not_ [ and ] that does anything wrong, _assuming_ it's actually taking the right branch at each step, that's consistent with a path through the entire program < 1338505218 489260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have 66 dorfs, huge amounts of clutter and temperature on and it's still running at 100FPS. < 1338505222 34951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: If you want a single dubious point, >'s tape-boundary checking looks like it. If the test fires, you're already one past the end (tape.data() + tape.size() does not point to a valid part of tape); so you both append a 0, and increment index, leaving you again at tape.data()+tape.size(), an invalid location. The test should be after ++index, presumably. < 1338505228 273312 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, OK. < 1338505240 673552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's actually the tape values. maybe what fizzie said. < 1338505290 755251 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAA IT WOOOOOOORKS < 1338505312 294253 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you very, very much! You've just saved my AP CS grade! < 1338505361 374472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1338505376 98183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: You have to write a BF interpreter for your CS grade? < 1338505394 288696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _very_ hardcore < 1338505394 468824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good sleephelping. < 1338505397 427279 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I chose to. We were given a final project that we have a lot of control over. < 1338505415 826222 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be pretty much anything. My classmate did an Android game, for instance. < 1338505451 533710 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one in the works as a toy project, anyway. < 1338505778 215147 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. I've got summer break coming up soon, and I'm trying to decide what CS-related venture to take. Which do you think I could learn the most from; creating a game with someone, studying data structures (I mean the theory, I know how to use stack, queue, list, etc. classes), or learning Python? Or maybe something else? < 1338505829 864602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages do you know already? < 1338505840 52780 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++, bit of Java. < 1338505848 750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn Python < 1338505850 179518 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, catch. < 1338505851 783869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1338505876 557107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those horizons need expanding, C++ and Java are not really some of the better languages out there :p < 1338505880 405166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and are ~fairly similar to start with) < 1338505893 550477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could combine the Python thing and the game thing, perhaps < 1338505894 325919 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in my university's CS Honors Program. Due to the way the core Honors curriculum is set up, I won't be able to take the Data Structures Honors class until next fall. < 1338505897 896921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pygame is pretty good < 1338506107 422407 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to give that a shot, then < 1338506124 597043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Python much, but it's certainly better than C++ < 1338506140 818030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll probably have fun with it < 1338506178 737293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the best Python learning material is these days. Probably avoid Dive into Python? < 1338506197 283515 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dabbled in Python before, but nothing serious. I do know that the official docs are really good. < 1338506202 241466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is the official Python tutorial any good? < 1338506204 480256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it. < 1338506213 204011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. I never read it. < 1338506223 250404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR it being a bit dry, but I don't really remember. < 1338506230 222543 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fourth option. Learn Qt, but with Python. < 1338506234 532614 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to mention. < 1338506236 821891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't learn Qt. < 1338506240 419897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official Haskell tutorial is pretty good. < 1338506248 166653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not awfully pleasant. < 1338506259 560127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an elitist "makes me feel good about myself when other people can't understand it" sort of way, of course. < 1338506272 324735 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what GUI library would you use instead? I hear bad things about wxWidgets. Whatever GUI library I use, it has to be cross-platform and native-looking. < 1338506273 234653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: And it's probably worse to learn it with another programming language, since it generally maps badly to other languages. < 1338506282 712677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heck, it doesn't even map to C++ well.) < 1338506292 752959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: HTML5+JAVASCRIPT+CSS=GUI OF THE FUTURE < 1338506293 854155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: I wouldn't learn a GUI library now, unless you really really want to for some reason. < 1338506294 440159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1338506300 219308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're generally very unpleasant things. < 1338506306 261477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==elliott < 1338506309 67315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And nothing is "cross-platform and native-looking" everywhere, sorry.) < 1338506309 397981 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For desktop applications? < 1338506322 262376 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about wxWidgets? < 1338506328 388890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: A desktop is just a thin client with a thick server hiding underneath! < 1338506333 101552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not native-looking on plenty of platforms. < 1338506358 391972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably learn Objective C and Cocoa. < 1338506359 115902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. OS X, and on X11 (considering native from either a GNOME or KDE or Xfce perspective) < 1338506361 74599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that's the future. < 1338506366 725221 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't own an iDevice. < 1338506374 488825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need an iDevice. < 1338506382 411150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use GNUStep. < 1338506387 787756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not Cocoa. < 1338506413 642039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is BlueProtoman taking shachaf seriously? < 1338506419 794482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not doing that. < 1338506430 861045 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. < 1338506439 334603 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Android SDK is a real possibility, though. < 1338506446 878762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest not learning that, either. < 1338506458 468008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: Oops. :-( < 1338506467 44470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: OK, so, seriously, why would you learn a GUI? < 1338506472 595003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Library? < 1338506531 836687 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So I can make non-game/non-console interfaces? < 1338506542 380559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interfaces to what? < 1338506544 700336 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even though I have an Android device? < 1338506555 220014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, yes. < 1338506566 194819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, it's Java. Two, it's awful. < 1338506575 781836 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what the hell would I use instead, then? < 1338506593 701448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three, even if you have an amazing burning desire to write Android apps that goes deep right into your soul, it's only going to impair you in the future, because you'll have spent a bunch of time learning a really awful API. < 1338506614 912720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BlueProtoman: I would write things that aren't GUI apps, at least for a while. < 1338506635 158736 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want to do game dev. How the hell would I reach Android users, then? Whatever happened to broadening your market? < 1338506636 69099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hell, I'd avoid touching GUI code even now. It is not a very enjoyable experience.) < 1338506672 884005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "GUI" isn't the same thing as "game programming", for a start. < 1338506687 254217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if your motives are economic rather than learning, then that obviously changes a lot. (But you need the latter for the former.) < 1338506732 954318 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. But porting software is great practice for CS majors, is it not? < 1338506754 193690 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just because I do game programming doesn't mean the only programs I write will be games. < 1338506758 527712 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or console apps. < 1338506761 302556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, I wouldn't say so. < 1338506814 900744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porting software is ugly business and does not really exercise any of the truly relevant skills that you'd care about as a CS major. < 1338506828 811937 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except porting software? < 1338506836 234715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1338506854 731293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greatest accomplishment of many accomplished computer scientists is porting. < 1338506903 858424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that great paper Turing published about how you can port any program to his machine? < 1338506908 917745 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338507021 534698 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D67A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1338507071 44421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks this notion of porting may include most of his programs in recent times
< 1338507396 533480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, a goblin snatcher grabbed a hunter's baby off her. < 1338507435 609098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She downed it in two shots. < 1338507485 916083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and then another one made off with it. < 1338507609 722796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake you idiot don't kill things by pouring expensive ammo into them. < 1338507635 424885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kill things by making them invent BF derivatives. < 1338507865 766049 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1338507865 875475 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1338507902 857619 :PatashuXantheres!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1338507978 129238 :BlueProtoman!~Jesse@ool-18b81608.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1338508343 646848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A goblin snatcher attacks! The troops are sortied! The marksdwarves catch sight of their enemy, draw a bead, fire... < 1338508362 838967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And successfully cripple a tiger standing in the general vicinity minding its own business. < 1338508384 431956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snatcher, meanwhile, outruns the rest of the soldiers.