< 1339027280 540677 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339029296 176211 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339029750 652976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it terrible that I'm in Beijing and I want to eat at KFC? < 1339029755 465493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just SO popular. < 1339029760 126457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what all the fuss is about. < 1339030235 229757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just fried chicken, if it's anything like Japanese KFC. < 1339030361 199837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes gregor < 1339030379 37309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :chin has awesome food < 1339030388 837286 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kfc doesnt capture it < 1339030425 409863 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, A) All the Chinese food I've had thusfar has disappointed. < 1339030441 972672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) I have LOTS of time to have authentic food, I need SOME variety anyway. < 1339030444 71367 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, perhaps you shouldnt be eating chinese food < 1339030448 402560 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yesterday I ate Thai for dinner) < 1339030463 849171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the best chinese food i hac was in shanghi, so you could just be in the wrong part of the country < 1339030489 885173 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Chinese food is (I'm told) very heavily regional. < 1339030498 104133 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just be that Beijing-area food sucks. < 1339030504 15827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1339030522 622796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should look for a Shanghainese restaurant :) < 1339030600 873352 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339030689 548870 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sichuan food is so good! < 1339030740 407560 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a restaurant in NYC called Xi'an Famous Foods which has incredible noodles < 1339030756 142702 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if this is representative of the food from that area or not < 1339031011 942214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339031060 694567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/nh6R <-- here, you choose where I should eat Lunch X-D < 1339031139 907004 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betcha that "western" restaurant's weird... :P < 1339031273 899927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably to "western" food what "Chinese" restaurants are to "Chinese" food O_0 < 1339031341 739480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly. < 1339031347 630922 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The toilet recommended a place called Americatown" < 1339031351 576767 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Japanese 'western' food. < 1339031370 907753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: But it could be fun for exactly that reason ;) < 1339031387 703942 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339031539 213134 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339031543 875083 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339031978 621504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339033728 7188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-248.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339033731 518521 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-210.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339033868 528928 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339034512 814312 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-71.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339034676 112763 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-231-210.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339035206 398808 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339036872 532755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-131.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339037071 992904 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-149-71.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339037233 706453 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-192.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339037405 365339 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-152-131.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339040972 273788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-192.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339040984 792034 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339041559 377789 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339041559 898704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339042302 75312 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339042309 877216 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045894 920725 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045895 357471 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339045895 516809 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339045908 282226 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339047400 633285 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: later chat < 1339048324 531263 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339051626 614698 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053052 79235 :Patashu!Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339053052 540464 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053438 847887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339053656 88757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Bradbury died. < 1339053855 74667 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :06.17:56:15 ( elliott) Oh, Ray Bradbury died. < 1339053876 276420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a bit over 16 hours late with almost exactly the same message. < 1339053885 389416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they'll BradBURY him. < 1339053899 702261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, possibly.) < 1339053912 659642 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just normal bury me please" - bradburey < 1339053913 209660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be also bradcremation. < 1339053914 480071 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I still don't know who he was. Maybe now's the time to check Wikipedia. < 1339053930 355746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those bookwriters. < 1339053960 514046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently yes. The guy who hated television. < 1339053963 799557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aged 91; can't perhaps quite call that life tragically cut short. < 1339053993 175025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's before the heat death of the universe, so at least *some* would call it cut short. < 1339054479 994822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and everything else new. < 1339054499 662888 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose that somewhat follows. < 1339054515 868148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television isn't generally considered very hate-inducing. Or at least it wasn't back then. < 1339054519 988457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His WP article actually quotes him saying "We've got too many internets." < 1339054589 349391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, um what, television has always been the go-to thing to bitch about how our culture is totally going downhill from the days when the common man read Dochevsky. < 1339054590 244825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have too many cellphones. We've got too many Internets. We have got to get rid of those machines. We have too many machines now." < 1339054612 228002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since television became a major part of culture. < 1339054632 414628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just when we got to the point where information is forever, too. < 1339054633 906194 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking that it wasn't that major back then, but maybe I'm wrong. < 1339054700 47161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Strange concept, that, considering mere universal literacy is relatively young. < 1339054782 277775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it came out in 1953, so I think it was at least significant and on the rise. < 1339054802 365307 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it being Fahrenheit 451) < 1339054861 498387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe so. I'm at least quite sure that it was a very rare thing in Finland at the time, but the UK was somewhat ahead. < 1339054881 599002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339054924 787109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took off like crazy in the US. < 1339054957 817736 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 1953's when NTSC color was introduced. < 1339054961 383121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh whoops, he was American. Well, even more, then. < 1339055004 714306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the Quatermass Experiment had 5 million viewers at its peak and it came out in '53, and that's got to be at least a tenth of the UK population at the time. < 1339055088 471478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055090 32198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I Love Lucy" had been running for 2 years by then... < 1339055113 134276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, Nielsen ratings were introduced in 1950. < 1339055202 385897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Television was introduced in Finland in 1957. Color television started in 1969. Prior to 1986, YLE monopolized the Finnish television." < 1339055209 32485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're a bit slow, y'know. < 1339055219 176293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at that stuff. Evidently the first television transmission was in 1955. < 1339055219 336287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, this conversation has reminded me of the Foundation series. < 1339055225 8256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a good thing to remember. < 1339055230 913136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339055241 921430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, has to first get translated to Japanese, and then put through the Finnish cypher. :P < 1339055244 808392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1339055247 644326 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1339055293 61944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well the first parts are OK but once the Second Foundation comes into play it's just this slow, annoying decay into "AHA I am the true force for good in the universe!" < 1339055293 952353 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sources vary as to the exact year, but 1956-1958 for actual scheduled programs. < 1339055341 474677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TV-introduction-world-map.svg < 1339055355 707817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I seem to recall Asimov being confused as to why people like the Foundation series so much. < 1339055458 926079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: At least us scandinavians are mostly in the same group. (Iceland doesn't count.) < 1339055485 800112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Mule is a central character in Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation. Foundation's Edge reveals that he originally came from the planet Gaia, but was regarded as an aberration on a world where mental powers were being developed for benevolent ends." < 1339055496 359643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake Asimov did you really pull that one < 1339055507 742612 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1339055582 435206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retconning the Mule's origins as being from the stupid psychic planet rather than being a freak of nature, which is a genuinely interesting proposition. < 1339055619 556735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the whole point of the Mule is that he's basically an outside context problem for the Foundation because they couldn't predict him, which is kind of cheapened by the stupid twist. < 1339055621 583716 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually *know* Foundation's Edge was written just to shut up annoying fans. < 1339055626 899780 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au NICK :Patashu < 1339055642 267119 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it, honestly, was uninteresting. < 1339055645 244798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW < 1339055677 775006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, too. I like Asimov when he's not writing on what he obviously doesn't much care for. < 1339055683 98148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Outside the "Saha" building there was a sign today advertising an event with the topic "Yhteistyöympäristöt globaaleissa tuoteprosesseissa". < 1339055735 83086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1339055866 361961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Approximate translation: "Cooperation environments in global product processes".) < 1339055978 42656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I have one of his books of essays and some of them are really good. < 1339056130 651235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some Asimov short story collections, and some of those are quite good too. (Some which mention Multivac are sort-of amusingly dated, though.) < 1339056179 913634 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057305 486899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057363 523389 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339057376 637413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jello! < 1339057622 80437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Finnish is a good language. < 1339057629 964938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew it. :-( < 1339057658 547311 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339057682 379233 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339057978 361768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks fancy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Douyfa7l8 < 1339058122 451152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a human-powered street view photography thing: http://googleblog.blogspot.fi/2012/06/never-ending-quest-for-perfect-map.html < 1339058154 778566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look how happy the guy is. (I wonder how much that thing weighs.)) < 1339059479 859652 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7B0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339059846 384878 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062292 921537 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062293 252845 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339062293 411978 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339062461 858497 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339062625 603134 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can learn it online. really only hard thing is how we put awful lot of junk into a word. ("I sit"->"istun", "you sit"->"istut", "he/she sits"->"hän istuu", "box"->"laatikko", "to box"->"laatikkoon", "in box"->"laatikossa", "from box"->"laatikosta" and so on) < 1339062692 280834 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without his box"->"laatikottaan" < 1339062917 834864 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kahvinjuojallekin" - also for a coffee drinker. It's one of our standard examples when talking about the statistical-morphemes-based language model thing we have. < 1339062972 741555 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kevytmoottipolttoöljykanisteri" < 1339062978 76484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339062989 537875 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*moottori < 1339063020 792978 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we do a lot of compound words like that, too, but the suffixes are I think more interesting. < 1339063046 46963 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :epäjärjelmällisydettymyydelläkään < 1339063050 39749 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1339063135 733688 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've most often heard that as "epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkään", or some-such. Not that anyone would really go that far, ordinarily. < 1339063216 863011 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is one word with suffixes < 1339063280 711364 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the Kielipankki corpus files have mode 600, I can't check what's the longest actually-used word in that. < 1339063280 911328 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339063298 793460 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files? < 1339063316 561531 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this collection of newspaper text. We use it for training language models. < 1339063331 146655 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ok < 1339063362 924655 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some 145 million words of text there. < 1339063395 317472 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large are those files? < 1339063416 512713 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few hundred megabytes. Text compresses well, after all. < 1339063427 991361 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the audio that takes up space, really. < 1339063509 321590 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339063539 172618 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339063627 860874 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339063714 962856 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask zzo38 Could you give me a copy of the next version of Prelude.Generalize so I know what'll be in it, please? < 1339063715 188908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339063761 902894 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish "SPEECON" audio corpus we've used takes up 71 gigabytes of disk, according to du. And it only has three of the four recording channels. < 1339063771 131355 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's uncompressed PCM. < 1339063963 596847 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, four channels? < 1339063972 102704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of that? < 1339063976 459261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV and Channel 4 < 1339064009 564353 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV1, TV2, MTV3, Nelonen (four) < 1339064015 73636 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I thought he meant audio channels, like stereo has channels < 1339064017 132362 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're recorded with four different microphones -- headset mic, lapel mic, and two more or less far-away microphones -- so that you get the same speech at different noise levels. < 1339064017 982040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1339064024 60576 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not :P < 1339064035 808458 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, me and nortti were both joking < 1339064039 316725 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339064065 802113 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: there are not 32 days in any month < 1339064123 420696 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would there be? < 1339064210 876028 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I fucked up my calendar calculation software and so it thinks that normaly months are either 32 or 31 days long and February is either 30 or 29 days < 1339064245 47999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, latest firefox update makes firefox empty tab page look like chrome, showing images of commonly visited pages < 1339064246 12115 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtract 1 day from each month < 1339064252 115575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I like that... < 1339064287 233395 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can disable that < 1339064294 82809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, where? < 1339064301 103470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to look for that setting atm < 1339064325 788729 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: about:config . you can also switch to old tab behaviour from there < 1339064362 550872 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what old tab behaviour? I use tab mix plus addon so I guess it overwrote any changes to that < 1339064372 89752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway, which about:config setting? < 1339064558 144739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also scrolling with pgup/pgdown (useful since this is a laptop, and I don't use the touchpad, I use the trackpoint) now seems to visibly scroll rather than just jump < 1339064559 689721 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339064561 389720 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: New Firefox also default-enables SPDY. < 1339064575 660091 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I think any non-Google entities really go all SPDY. < 1339064586 346674 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would be doubtful < 1339064604 148554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which httpds even supports spdy? < 1339064613 729137 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an Apache module, but that's not a surprise. < 1339064619 508407 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably an Apache module for everything. < 1339064639 629755 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scrolling is the "smooth scrolling", and I did notice they mentioned default-enabling that too in the change notes. < 1339064651 956169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ngnix? < 1339064666 833688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, any idea how to turn off the smooth scrolling, it just takes pointless time < 1339064692 66665 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1339064699 699672 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :general.smoothScroll is my guess. < 1339064703 218034 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :general.smoothScroll < 1339064704 156752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339064715 353239 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so much eye candy :( < 1339064769 208659 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to keep up with the competition, after all. < 1339064773 575415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an RFC for SPDY? I seem to remember reading that firefox wouldn't be implementing SPDY until there was an RFC for it < 1339064813 623093 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's anything else than the non-RFC drafts that say "this is not a standard yet" in bold at top. < 1339064817 119626 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least last I looked. < 1339064821 759146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I just checked chrome, it doesn't smooth scroll :P < 1339064854 580230 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, not only keep up, but surpass them. < 1339064859 481385 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339064878 746517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I can't find any option for the new tab in about:config, nor did google turn up anything useful < 1339064985 586687 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/new-tab-page-show-hide-and-customize-top-sites?s=new+tab+page&r=1&e=es&as=s#w_how-do-i-turn-the-new-tab-page-off < 1339065008 739744 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser.newtab.url from 'about:newtab' to 'about:blank'. < 1339065019 39111 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339065057 14581 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1339065173 265935 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065186 437877 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup < 1339065209 699210 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chicken soup. < 1339065254 307603 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken it up huh < 1339065264 410206 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I suppose you're the same oklopol who's been commenting at http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html in 2009? < 1339065280 652585 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, according to elliott < 1339065290 170388 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember doing that, but it's obviously my code. < 1339065329 267761 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ask u < 1339065345 816788 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just independently came across it, and wondered if there could be two of you. < 1339065349 518325 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite a shock. < 1339065374 474454 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339065396 766364 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i've seen a few people called oklopol on the internets, but their existences have been brief < 1339065410 339573 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ate them and obtained their powers? < 1339065413 681125 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339065430 1063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does oklopol mean anything in Finnish? < 1339065447 260384 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :More importantly, do you expect you'd get a straight answer from him? < 1339065457 897248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't target it at him only < 1339065461 453194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could answer too < 1339065462 52303 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it means One Who De-fucking-vours His Enemies. < 1339065472 860023 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to spoil the effect. < 1339065473 526287 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, to me it doesn't seem like an obvious nick at all < 1339065503 671975 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've told the channel where my nick comes from < 1339065535 811984 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monopoly => monopoli => olopoli => oklopol. < 1339065567 335247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339065593 21289 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :after we played olopoli at this scouting event some years ago, there was this whole thing about the bitter aftertaste of oklopol, and the deadly forests of oklopol. we rarely discuss the aftertaste now that i've taken it as a permanick. < 1339065617 222312 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno where the k came from. < 1339065625 682446 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the aftertaste thing. < 1339065684 558489 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a perfectly straightforward story. < 1339065700 134373 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so too < 1339065754 627616 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm making a webpage, i hear that's the hip new thing < 1339065795 562539 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Olopoli on toiminnallinen ja ajatuksia herättävä peli nuoren elämästä. Peliä pelataan vartioittain. Jokainen vartio tuo tullessaan pelinappulan (esim. kenkä, puurokauha) ja henkilökohtaisena varausteena jokainen tarvitsee istuinalustan." < 1339065800 44850 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's a real thing. < 1339065801 671538 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339065802 379403 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you made it up. < 1339065806 83937 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1339065811 191993 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never lie < 1339065814 144801 :fizzie!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065823 799609 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's funny. < 1339065832 512779 :fizzie!fis@a91-156-75-88.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Changing host < 1339065832 672281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1339065833 341675 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the hilarioust game of ever. < 1339065871 709527 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it been played on multiple occasions? < 1339065878 131772 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Olopoli on toiminnallinen ja ajatuksia herättävä peli nuoren elämästä. Peliä pelataan vartioittain. Jokainen vartio tuo tullessaan pelinappulan (esim. kenkä, puurokauha) ja henkilökohtaisena varausteena jokainen tarvitsee istuinalustan." <-- huh? < 1339065913 890956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate is usually terrible from Finnish so care to give me translation? < 1339065948 570898 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh... Olopoli is a functional and thought-provoking game about the life of a young person. And then some less important stuff. < 1339065959 838992 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what "toiminnallinen" means. Action-full? < 1339065962 133287 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olopoli is a hip and cool youngster game, you play it with a bunch of buddies, every bunch brings an object (a shoe or some other utensil) and also you need something for your ass. < 1339065964 288082 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a vague word. < 1339065971 672101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew, so what about the monopoly bit? < 1339065978 682658 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the name comes from < 1339065982 909971 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1339066001 62809 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339066012 980971 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the board is a 1-dimensional torus like in monopoly. < 1339066016 820415 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it actually have anything to do with it game-mechanistically speaking, though? (Well, I guess the shoe fits. Isn't one of the playing pieces a shoe?) < 1339066020 318105 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1339066044 934523 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember how it was played, i just remember we learned things like always use a condom with a prostitute unless she promises you're her first. < 1339066054 728536 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or smth like that < 1339066058 214146 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds educational. < 1339066060 735179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066079 550402 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a computer game that teaches you important things about puberty too, it's called "Murkku", I've occasionally been trying to re-find it. < 1339066102 559171 :fizziew!~htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Short for 'murrosikä', puberty.) < 1339066149 945038 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339066171 386314 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziew: did you find anything other than that description < 1339066172 293957 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339066189 498744 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go get my conference proceedings back from my ex soon < 1339066231 335195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some camp schedules with Olopoli hours marked. And a press release mentioning the introducing of Olopoli. < 1339066238 931396 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which camp? < 1339066254 687667 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we played it at tarus < 1339066285 634461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in tarus.fi, yes. < 1339066295 914032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5. Finnjamboree Padasjoki 28.7.-5.8.2004" < 1339066323 100942 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that long ago :o < 1339066328 736414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's an article about it in the proceedings of "Kouluterveyspäivät 2009" at University of Tampere. < 1339066332 74731 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never have guessed oklopol used to be a boyscout. Heh. < 1339066352 275592 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still get invited in scouting things. < 1339066356 478461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339066372 755659 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because most of my friends still do it < 1339066378 64257 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066404 766664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Olopoli's purpose is to challenge the participants to a conversation about e.g. relationships, personal wellbeing, sexuality and drugs." < 1339066430 856116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife's brothers did scout stuff. < 1339066489 285287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the first version was unveiled at Tarus 2004, apparently. < 1339066515 833433 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the parts where we did nothing in a cold, wet and dark forest. i hated the parts where we did stuff. < 1339066595 606299 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people tell me about the horrors of the army, it almost makes me want to go. then i realize it's not all freezing to death and being awake weeks at a time. you also have to be part of a social hierarchy. < 1339066604 895397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURKKU I can't find, though. There's a forum posting from 2007 asking "doesn't anyone remember MURKKU?", but that's about all. :/ < 1339066623 579585 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339066628 456381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was that from the scouts too? < 1339066631 532497 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of that XKCD comic < 1339066635 838714 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339066648 475477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. But it was educational. We had a copy at the school's computer classroom. < 1339066651 732753 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339066656 30264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, which xkcd comic? < 1339066679 146965 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where the guy has some obscure problem and finds a forum where someone has asked about it. < 1339066682 655194 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one has answered. < 1339066684 818490 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great. < 1339066686 338461 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339066687 570336 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1339066694 734896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in the style of one of those "select from a preset list of commands" adventure games. < 1339066708 205594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "listen" command, which played a sequence of random bleeps and said "you hear voices". I'm not sure if it was useful for anything else. < 1339066740 355410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you could look at yourself, and get a random word describing your emotional state, plus some other attributes like "you smell bad" if you've taken the sausage for the dog. < 1339066740 592185 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you get your first zit. do you a) kill yourself b) kill your friends c) keep masturbating, but use a less clean mirror from now on" < 1339066750 908938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "The VCR you stole weighs your conscience." < 1339066752 764598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatnot. < 1339066775 525172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was something about a rusty bed-frame in a tree. < 1339066783 74304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be mixing these things up a bit. < 1339066786 419311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339066788 693733 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me but this game sounds awesome < 1339066830 155314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very long. I don't remember what happens when you win. < 1339066847 838803 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay you're an adult now. you can never play MURKKU again." < 1339066851 355741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were some hobos and a junk heap also involved. < 1339066862 175798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in conjunction with the bed. < 1339067078 285132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was made by soft, I think. Where 'something' was a derivation from the "lead programmer"'s first name. < 1339067159 767157 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of did sound like a computer game, but i wanted to keep the mystery < 1339067232 255411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so displeased about not being able to find this thing in the Internet. Everything's supposed to be there. < 1339067449 466497 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is overrated, most things i need daily are more likely found in the small library of the math dep than on the internet < 1339067478 419425 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the one that tabs open at the end of tab bar. also it seems you can turn disable that new emty tab page by clicking some cube icon at upper right < 1339067498 994918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "disable", just hide. < 1339067504 682855 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's weird what they say about porn on the internet, it's really a very tiny percentage that gets there, you have to order most things directly from the germans. < 1339067555 130045 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have to go get my proceedings WHICH YOU CANNOT READ FREELY ON THE INTERNET :( < 1339067592 285387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Academic publishing: it's what's for dinner. < 1339068835 922395 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339068836 332397 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339068836 491646 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339068887 849399 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339069340 775742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sourceforge "user review" for SPIM, the MIPS(32) simulator: "One of the best FTP clients I've tried for GNU/Linux and Windows" < 1339069348 135706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh. Okay. < 1339069464 876437 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339069509 225868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's recently (Jan 2011 is recent, right?) gotten a new Qt UI. < 1339069546 234110 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what toolkit did the old UI use? < 1339069632 345572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xaw, I think. < 1339069646 194374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was all retro like that. < 1339069663 695153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I ever used the X version, wasn't much point. < 1339069700 610979 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-239-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339069726 837886 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there other than X version of it? is the old Xaw toolkit version still available? < 1339069747 478977 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-166-93.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339069748 840263 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would run on linux I mean) < 1339069757 755477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a non-graphical version. < 1339069769 328743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have had some sort of a curses-like UI, I don't exactly remember. < 1339069783 757410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.agdunn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/xspim1.png -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spimsimulator/screenshots/313041 it is a bit of a modernization. < 1339069833 670697 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the old was much better < 1339069887 716840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's arguable. I've never been much of a fan with the Xaw scrollbars. < 1339069981 937792 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them. Xaw is also light and that is a good thing. on X I se xterm as my terminal emulator and xedit as my text editor < 1339070026 270593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, does xedit even have syntax highlighting? < 1339070054 897145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're asking this from a person who uses busybox vi. :p < 1339070058 424837 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339070112 118156 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't normaly use busybox vi. I like unix v6 ed bit more < 1339070122 814578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are joking, right? < 1339070127 4773 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1339070128 546217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the standard text editor, no joking about it. < 1339070134 92520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you should use TECO < 1339070165 391014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can it be run on modern linux < 1339070173 241311 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1339070187 145832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's at least some ports. < 1339070194 271543 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unlikely indeed < 1339070207 312222 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway why use modern linux? You should use something older < 1339070214 934241 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a PDP-11 < 1339070249 544168 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have apout so if it has been ported to unix v7 or older on pdp-11 I can run it < 1339070259 102759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apout? < 1339070287 805832 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ability and will yes, time no; I'm willing to delegate < 1339070287 965438 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary translator/syscall emulator for old unix pdp-11 software < 1339070292 599905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339070312 197724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of terminals (earlier), the "search for books" public terminals at Helsinki libraries used to be VT-420s. You could twiddle them to the setup mode if you wanted, and get some higher-resolution things going. (And/or break the communications link if you messed with the settings too much.) < 1339070330 117004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've replaced those with plain old x86 PCs a decade or so ago, though. < 1339070337 134253 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use it to run my unix v6 binaries (currently ed and dc) < 1339070350 240963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339070415 274450 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason zzo38's deadfish implementation didn't really run very nicely under my dc... < 1339070431 21730 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should mention it to him directly? < 1339070469 377563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I seem to remember you could quit out from the book-search application, but all that got you was a login screen of some Unix, so it wasn't too exciting. Plus then no-one could again use the terminal. < 1339070501 940575 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339070502 595039 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think he thinks maintaining support for unix v6 dc is important < 1339070513 768182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be too sure with zzo < 1339070556 186633 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would work with unix v7 dc but I am not building another ancient unix from scracth < 1339070650 614399 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339070975 515479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339071143 66833 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. teco is 700kB in size < 1339071173 586126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such bloat. < 1339071217 136463 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my ed 6.2kB < 1339071332 505508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339071346 28703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do you reset zoom level in chrome? < 1339071377 958230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-0 sounds familiar. < 1339071388 209402 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339071389 838203 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1339071418 354951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "wrench menu" zoom tool doesn't seem to have a thing for it. < 1339071437 933190 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay these results are strange... I tried a font test in the browser (on windows), turns out that while Segoe UI at 8 pt is larger than Tahoma at the same size, the reverse is true at 9 pt < 1339071440 178321 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just odd < 1339071469 125137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to find a suitable font to replace Segoe UI with on windows < 1339071485 135098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo UI. < 1339071490 758868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it looks terrible with cleartype off, and with cleartype on everything else looks horrible < 1339071494 557870 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no :P < 1339071510 654347 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a font with the same metric though < 1339071573 629089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Sans Serif isn't even close either < 1339071696 76137 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. can someone help me with TECO? < 1339071774 205909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm MS Sans Serif and Arial have almost the same metric, in fact they look almost identical as well. Very tiny difference there. < 1339071851 467494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Google-commissioned "Open Sans" is I think somewhat similar to Segoe. (Not terribly much so, but somewhat.) < 1339071894 996361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about character set coverage and such. < 1339072142 288621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would google want to make a font? < 1339072188 441170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it looks slightly blurry to me. < 1339072195 551477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like it is forcing cleartype < 1339072196 690388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1339072211 758577 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, not good < 1339072285 904112 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on linux I use full hinting and greyscale antialias. I'm okay with no antialias if the font is good for that (like arial, tahoma and MS Sans Serif) < 1339072305 420480 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :verdana is perfectly readable without antialias too btw < 1339072545 848399 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339072565 174610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fuck boss fights, and fuck Psychonauts for having boss fights. < 1339072574 606483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which one was a problem? < 1339072588 670704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nearly finished this area? WELL NOW YOU GET TO PLAY THE SAME FUCKING SECTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" < 1339072598 419440 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the Phantom. < 1339072611 300717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh that, it was fairly easy. Just use the lights < 1339072623 27622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you know, Google does have some user interfaces. I've heard they've got sites in the web, and this mobile thing called Nordraid or something. < 1339072628 531510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get that you twat. < 1339072631 525524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't die once during that. Also just buy some of those caramel things that restore your HP if you run out < 1339072637 614783 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps a lot < 1339072647 840156 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's fucking great to know in THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT. < 1339072648 498155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can carry a max of 3, but that helps a lot < 1339072660 203926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS GAME FOR TELLING ME THAT I COULD GET THAT < 1339072666 188534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, uh it is in the shop? < 1339072672 383839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you surely must have noticed that < 1339072688 670927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, har har < 1339072708 430055 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah Vorpal you realise that beyond mentioning the shop about once the game gives you no indication as to what anything does, and of course all the actual items have cutesy little descriptions which don't actually tell you what they /do/. < 1339072750 316331 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you can press some button to show a desc < 1339072763 421464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot which one, it does say on the side < 1339072766 981412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fairly detailed < 1339072787 907733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the voice acting for the item needs to complete first) < 1339072809 908342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Psychonauts' interface is like this Platonically perfect terrible one. < 1339072812 382512 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it could be more obvious, but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be < 1339072847 75111 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean right at the start you have to spend like 10 seconds watching all the animations they put between you and loading a save. < 1339072847 413307 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree, the interface could be way better, for example: the main menu interface, while cute, is rather annoying < 1339072856 235302 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339072871 408081 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that bed system if you don't select "continue" < 1339072873 358019 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that the controls are painfully obviously a terrible console port. < 1339072889 555481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339072909 973282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely like more ability keys than the three current < 1339072926 359028 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. TECO is awesome < 1339072965 433810 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just that; things like the inventory paging system which basically ground the game to a halt while I looked for help. < 1339072995 607504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? It is kind of slow and cumbersome, but why did you look for help? < 1339073035 858372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that annoy me is that the 2 and z in the key bindings look like they are the same char < 1339073045 660781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was like "how can that be bound to the same key" for a while < 1339073058 800743 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 opens your inventory. 2 opens your abilities. Pressing 2 while looking at your inventory opens abilities... unless you have multiple pages of inventory, in which case it flips to the second page. < 1339073079 655115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed, slow and cumbersome, but why look for help? < 1339073085 574573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you miss the brief tooltip saying it's 2 to change pages or confuse it for a z? < 1339073101 309686 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun trying to find out how it works, because the game's certainly not going to tell you. < 1339073117 75819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the inventory screen, not in the keybindings, nowhere. < 1339073131 574170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I /did/ confuse it for a z, until I rebound it to g for a bit, then I went like "hmm, maybe it was actually 2?" < 1339073148 41671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changed it back < 1339073168 560902 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339073176 995188 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point is that the key is really unintuitive, especially on a keyboard, and the game makes no effort to compensate that. < 1339073187 574957 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 or z? < 1339073191 704906 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. < 1339073222 168909 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, the keys are laid out for using with one hand, and the other hand on the mouse, 1 and 2 are easy to reach when using wasd to move around < 1339073231 236046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339073263 887862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm saying that /there is no reason to think that will be the key to change page/. < 1339073270 689919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339073273 239435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a particularly /bad/ key to do it. < 1339073280 632813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, I did notice when the game told me the first time < 1339073306 135115 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what I did miss was when it told me to use F to turn around when swinging. Had to google that < 1339073311 828558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should apparently arrange some time to play that game, I'm all "out" all the time nowadays. < 1339073316 751960 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, missed that too. < 1339073324 17492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, then I died, and restarted so it told me a second time < 1339073349 782135 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should probably play it on that gamepad you mentioned; you may have gathered that the devs spent absolutely no effort whatsoever on porting the controls. < 1339073372 866998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gathered it's a somewhat consoly game, yes. < 1339073397 583464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not really /that/ bad. It is not like the game would have told you about turning around while swinging any better on a pad < 1339073422 840358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but things like the inventory system are clearly geared to a gamepad. < 1339073426 425018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1339073437 901125 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the targeting system is maybe less abysmal on a gamepad? I don't know. < 1339073443 456999 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, not sure < 1339073454 176971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own a game pad, so I don't really have the required experience for it < 1339073466 652412 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the lock on is somewhat annoying. < 1339073478 295754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also mouse acceleration vertically is off IMO. < 1339073499 186117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up completely on looking up or down. < 1339073520 344956 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I selected inverted up/down, except in first person view it is the opposite of third person view now < 1339073521 82588 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game clearly doesn't want me to do it, why else would they make it so hard? < 1339073541 227957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have "gamepad reflexes" down very well, I've done so little with it. It's got those sticks, I think they're kinda important nowadays. < 1339073541 935733 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is inverted if you didn't change it from the default though < 1339073629 185842 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that new Wii U thing with the touch screen is going to affect console ports, are we going to get better mapping of abilities perhaps? < 1339073639 676171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339073644 352540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1339073650 254997 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal when have you ever heard of a console port of a Wii game < 1339073681 700496 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien Syndrome had a PSP port < 1339073689 416030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing with a touchscreen in the back? < 1339073690 151478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well no, but other vendors are going to copy their idea if it is successful. Like the motion control thingy. The Playstation Move, Kinect and so on < 1339073709 807839 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no that is the PS Vita iirc < 1339073712 52130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :handheld < 1339073714 260658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/console port/PC port/ < 1339073724 65489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the Vita. < 1339073740 565666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err, right < 1339073760 437430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I find it hard to believe people are going to be looking at the Wii U touchscreen much; it sounds rather tiresome to keep flipping focus between the in-hand mini-screen and the few-metres-away TV. < 1339073765 542474 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't World of Goo orignally for the Wii? < 1339073771 497819 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, played Bastion yet? That is a good console port. < 1339073780 488774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1339073785 798821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, surely it must have been for mobile? < 1339073800 736249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so obvious that it should be a touchscreen or mouse < 1339073803 316022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "World of Goo was first released both for Windows and WiiWare in North America on October 13, 2008." < 1339073806 83399 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows and WiiWare originally < 1339073807 768672 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even see a console controller working < 1339073809 98868 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339073809 924194 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1339073812 800342 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was Wii early on < 1339073833 767457 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :WiiWare, is that like xbox live? < 1339073840 962106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you... do know that the Wii remote works as a pointer, right? < 1339073850 983940 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's Nintendo's software distribution service. < 1339073852 282279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes < 1339073858 948739 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so yes then < 1339073860 199466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XBox live arcade or somehting < 1339073861 315738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a stylus except with a big gap. :p < 1339073863 946356 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339073872 194025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm, I was under the impression that the accuracy wasn't all that good < 1339073879 634859 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used a Wii though myself < 1339073892 329883 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not awful < 1339073896 354697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decent, although if you put it against a window it's a bitch to use. < 1339073902 526476 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it need recentering all the time iirc? < 1339073917 503813 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1339073923 371004 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched a bit of an LP of skyward sword, and the guy kept recentering a lot < 1339073957 2389 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went mad trying to play Twilight Princess in Ireland because the room was laid out so the TV was right in front of a sweeping vista of some hills and sheep and a few reflective surfaces, and the weather decided to clear up just for me. < 1339073968 402535 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339074076 367161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :World of Kinect-Goo would let you get your hands dirty, I suppose. < 1339074086 696974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it actually exist? < 1339074093 586206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue. < 1339074105 998754 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway kinect has horrible accuracy from what I heard < 1339074123 167206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not officially, but there's a video of people doing it. < 1339074128 906945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress adventure mode on the Kinect would be surprisingly elegant. < 1339074132 176334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The position of your hand is mapped to the cursor, and then we recognize you opening and closing your hand to grab and release the goo." < 1339074141 728514 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just does exactly what you do in the game world. < 1339074158 496809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using the PC version and the Kinect SDK, of course.) < 1339074166 353776 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and that is? < 1339074181 506638 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or isn't there a punchline here?) < 1339074182 629303 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacking people's third fingers, right hand off. < 1339074197 97593 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1339074216 226703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video seems somewhat flailing-aroundy, but maybe not quite as much I expected. It's at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0j1YsDmAXA < 1339074252 615756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a precision controller by any means. < 1339074306 798532 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339074319 958829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the PS Move has pretty good accuracy though < 1339074336 402259 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really seen it used much < 1339074453 204366 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did not realise World of Goo had such an overwrought soundtrack. < 1339074462 636762 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" OK, fuck boss fights, and fuck Psychonauts for having boss fights." yeah why do they have to make them so excruciatingly easy < 1339074482 192460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1339074486 737415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did not realize World of Goo had a soundtrack at all. < 1339074506 526041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Only humans count in game discussions, sorry. < 1339074535 262089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all the boss fights (so far, haven't quite finished the game yet) are quite easy once you figure out what the trick is < 1339074558 896291 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difficulty isn't my biggest gripe, it's repetition. < 1339074584 169293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one against Dogan's brain in the brain tumbler experiment was probably the trickiest one so far < 1339074630 177534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "do it again, stupid" gameplay, even once you've learnt the trick. < 1339074663 828328 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you refer to that the bosses doesn't vary their attacks very much or what? < 1339074686 292526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm referring to how if you die in a boss fight you're reset to the start and you can't save. < 1339074723 499177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, buy that candy to avoid that < 1339074726 520579 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeating the same things over and over again isn't 'challenging', it's annoying. < 1339074742 35888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will refill your health when you run out, and you can carry three of them < 1339074747 184077 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more than enough usually < 1339074795 22904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it has some really creative level design though. Especially with the mad people in the asylum. < 1339074805 288717 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, the level design is amazing. < 1339074822 12018 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you entered the mind of Fred Bonaparte yet? < 1339074827 977974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went wow at that < 1339074829 401086 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It normally makes up for all the flaws, but when the game sticks a giant, annoying wall in the way of seeing more level design? < 1339074850 17140 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I haven't completed the Phantom fight. < 1339074865 783148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right, I think you can do those minds in any order though < 1339074896 720286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this terrible suspicion that if I leave Gloria's mind I'll have to redo everything. < 1339074950 297253 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, you could make a save and try it though < 1339074957 5097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are those teleport creatures < 1339075046 19666 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway that boss fight is not all that difficult. And you could use the piece of bacon to "regroup at HQ", go out and buy some candy and go back in by talking to Ford Cruller. Should get you back near it at least. < 1339075059 687868 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you do realize you have beat me in games on multiple occasions < 1339075068 816829 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least slightly) < 1339075080 415414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I recall no such thing. < 1339075096 744714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what happens to figments when using that option though, since there is a visual effect when using it that looks like figments flying away from you < 1339075102 142045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried it inside a mind in fact < 1339075108 677538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even gave up that Dot Action 2 thing at some point. < 1339075166 203647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway if you start the fight with full health it is easy. Which level are you at? I was probably around 50 or so at that point I think < 1339075312 141389 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was that game where you were a stick figure, and then there was that game where you were a robot which you programmed around town. < 1339075349 926937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I vaguely recall the second one, it was that thing with the tiles. But I don't remember what happened. And I don't remember a stick figure. < 1339075381 231738 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess we were roughly equally good at and Deewiant was incredibly slow but did some of the really hard puzzles on the first attempt, so comparison was hard. and everyone not finnish of course sucked ass. < 1339075402 404113 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick figure was that game with a hundred levels where you could just move left and right and jump < 1339075410 548117 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other was robozzle or something < 1339075412 545620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Dot Action 2, exactly. < 1339075422 465304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you got further in it than I. < 1339075432 339448 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we both beat it? < 1339075436 266193 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you stopped near the end < 1339075446 176826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the labyrinth thing at level ninety-something, I gave up at that, or soon after. < 1339075459 771411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : stick figure was that game with a hundred levels where you could just move left and right and jump <-- platformer? < 1339075469 777512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dot action 2. Certainly you remember it. < 1339075477 928122 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I played it < 1339075479 289894 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i think i did that on the second attempt, might have quit if i had been less lucky < 1339075601 576813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe so. You apparently asked about it in 2009, and ehird explained what it's like. < 1339075616 937231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a web flash thing. < 1339075663 8282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did dig out the all-levels codes from the swf file, though. < 1339075681 856158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got eight extra levels after the first 100 normal ones. < 1339075706 372752 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact it has 108 levels? < 1339075733 341970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the final 8 don't really count, because you get access to all of them after beating level 100. < 1339075946 494350 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh so you can access the other 100 in any order you want? < 1339075982 938992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1339075992 540533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access the 8 in any order, after beating level 100. < 1339076013 779486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access level 100 after beating level 99, you can access level 99 after beating level 98, and so on. < 1339076043 180146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the last 8 aren't part of the ordinary progression. (Also, they're in a completely different level list.) < 1339076059 345186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 14:40:39] < fizzie> I did a half-hearted attempt at 93, but missed one blue dot in the lava room. < 1339076063 339232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got at least that far. < 1339076165 420778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been at that point that oko blazed past me and I gaved up. < 1339076524 780349 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339076549 345582 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 NICK :Guest19280 < 1339076565 905319 :Guest19280!~elliott@95.149.230.141 NICK :elliott < 1339076567 758835 :elliott!~elliott@95.149.230.141 QUIT :Changing host < 1339076567 918743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339076650 548605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339076650 761856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339076711 737334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:45:25: CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1339076719 909563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it wasn't visible in Europe anyway. < 1339076748 314354 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that wall is oerjan's floor < 1339076765 110680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1339076854 442881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:25:14: Meanwhile, I still don't know who he was. Maybe now's the time to check Wikipedia. < 1339076859 240192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it was; quite a lot of people watched it in Finland. < 1339076860 772563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Fahrenheit 451. < 1339076874 345580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, ISTR it wasn't visible in the UK, and what's the difference? < 1339076891 496738 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you may have been thinking of the last one < 1339076899 492075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Visible in its entirety from Hawaii, Alaska, Australia, New Zealand, the Pacific and Eastern Asia, with the beginning of the transit visible from North America and the end visible from Europe" < 1339076900 40097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: This one was visible??? < 1339076900 425037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or being confused by cloud cover < 1339076906 905421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at all the websites and all! < 1339076910 334531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did it look like. < 1339076916 953238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clouds < 1339076921 390980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1339076936 370844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't watch it, but in Helsinki there was a break in the cloud cover for approximately a minute. < 1339076950 660582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked like a tiny dot in front of a glowy thing (Sun). < 1339076953 559822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:43:24: Well the Quatermass Experiment had 5 million viewers at its peak and it came out in '53, and that's got to be at least a tenth of the UK population at the time. < 1339076962 989511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Should I watch that BTW I've always been tempted by the cool name. < 1339076973 136603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you stare at the sun??? < 1339076976 931049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd stare at the sun. :( < 1339076985 258740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stare at the sun quite a lot. Possibly not the best thing I do. < 1339076987 236027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I didn't have any protective eqibblement. < 1339076994 859046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I meant directly. < 1339077004 145072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/nao/transit/V_2012/world_2012.png -- the northern tip of Finland I think saw the thing in its entirety, that's what the white part I think means. < 1339077018 320859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in "the south" it was just partially visible. < 1339077072 21543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it looked like this: http://hs10.snstatic.fi/webkuva/taysi/960/1305572999091?ts=1053 < 1339077082 239478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting! < 1339077084 540905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like the other spots. < 1339077089 957111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we sure Venus really exists? < 1339077097 890963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit darker, I think. < 1339077112 324464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. A little. < 1339077136 706773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:01:20: Aw, the Kielipankki corpus files have mode 600, I can't check what's the longest actually-used word in that. < 1339077141 404672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that to prevent COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT? < 1339077171 984673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's either that, or just that no-one else than Vesa has actually bothered to touch the original files, so no-one has noticed he hasn't made them group-readable. < 1339077183 461484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there'll be another Venus transit in 2117, it's not like it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. < 1339077201 902937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Who gave Vesa root? Who is even Vesa anyway??? < 1339077208 584537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't anticipate living that long. :( < 1339077224 991265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Vesa has root, but the files are owned by him since he presumably put them there. < 1339077245 522042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :umask strikes back. < 1339077248 69902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was assuming 600 with owner root. < 1339077250 598895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Some Reason. < 1339077259 273597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Some Values Of Reason. < 1339077273 794376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Vesa even works here any more. < 1339077332 752928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, they probably fired em. After all, there are better graphics modes these days. < 1339077334 542457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he's that guy who works at Rosetta Stone somewhere in the US nowadays. < 1339077378 62590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can't say the stone is particularly high resolution. < 1339077380 781508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rosetta Stone does language-learning software that's somewhat notable.) < 1339077412 777023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1339077425 235304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered "pirating" it once, but it looked ineffective. < 1339077447 252015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's won awards and all. It has Dynamic Immersion technology. < 1339077458 27491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what that means.) < 1339077466 573563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It immerses. < 1339077467 839143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamically. < 1339077522 872251 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it say whether i finished the game? < 1339077544 692078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think you did. At least you were in level 98 or so at that point. < 1339077606 913134 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay seems hard to believe i'd have stopped then. < 1339077630 395735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 15:34:24] < oklopol> bleh i'll do 98 later tonight. < 1339077637 168463 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as i have this feeling that the last levels were surprisingly easy < 1339077643 699981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it was about cyphers for God to solve. < 1339077649 144872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1339077650 596132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which game? < 1339077657 685370 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot < 1339077659 320154 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :action < 1339077659 676106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 22:49:41] < oklopol> can someone solve 99 for me? < 1339077659 866455 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1339077662 511361 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339077663 304945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You're playing Dot Action 2 again??? < 1339077664 381559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you are. < 1339077669 441444 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1339077674 869331 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to check whether i solved it < 1339077677 948216 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or solve it just in case < 1339077682 459941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What started this. < 1339077682 658453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 99 was a maze too. < 1339077695 261012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I blamed oklopol for being too good in games. < 1339077715 600883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't Dot Action 2 the bestest? < 1339077720 116818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should play it too. < 1339077842 380523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played like seven levels before I remembered I'm at work. < 1339077887 839391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:07: Vorpal: you can disable that < 1339077888 43265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:14: nortti, where? < 1339077888 203889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:21: trying to look for that setting atm < 1339077889 465720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18:45: Vorpal: about:config . you can also switch to old tab behaviour from there < 1339077893 441843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can just press an X on the screen or something. < 1339077901 944531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do it in about:config if you want to waste a bunch of time, I guess. < 1339077902 478968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's "hide" and not "disable"! < 1339077934 681665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are concerned about your privacy, you can turn this feature off completely: In the Location bar, type about:config ..." -- support.mozilla.org. < 1339077947 601322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they say it like that, certainly there's some valid privacy concerns involved. < 1339077969 450561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what they could be.) < 1339078010 949265 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tracs what sites you visit the most? < 1339078036 580496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it tracks history no matter what you set "browser.newtab.url" to. < 1339078051 982026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the ATTAKCER couldn't just type in "about:newtab" to see the page. < 1339078059 87971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean my browser KNOWS WHERE I GO ON THE INTERNET???? < 1339078065 977511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339078071 227803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi. < 1339078071 939688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot. < 1339078074 960472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOO. < 1339078075 916456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fix it. < 1339078079 770265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a network problem. A moment. < 1339078132 95935 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339078138 271829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339078138 783040 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2N3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O3O4O5O6O < 1339078141 675574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel whole. < 1339078183 382484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you're sitting next to an ENEMY it's faster for him to new-tab + click-the-unhide to see your PORN SITES than it would be for him to new-tab and type-"about:newtab". < 1339078190 709255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:34:24: oklopol: I suppose you're the same oklopol who's been commenting at http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html in 2009? < 1339078191 433718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339078196 796928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's impomatic's blog, by the way. < 1339078206 543491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:09 I suppose if you're sitting next to an ENEMY it's faster for him to new-tab + click-the-unhide to see your PORN SITES than it would be for him to new-tab and type-"about:newtab". < 1339078207 500677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I did not realizibble. < 1339078214 138932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use IE's "InPrivate" browsing mode! < 1339078229 359446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's designed for gifts but — and don't tell anyone this — it ALSO WORKS FOR PORNOGRAPHY. < 1339078234 960661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I hear. < 1339078292 646167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So is fizziew like fizzie but it doesn't start a console window? < 1339078310 750102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1339078316 304203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it's 'w' for 'work'.) < 1339078326 634620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know. Work is all about the GUIs. < 1339078338 259973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're a speech recognition researcher, you never do anything valuable like program in a terminal and so on. < 1339078374 664657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the whole "Do-Not-Track by default thing" has died. < 1339078380 481001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE and so on.) < 1339078406 129265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemingly it violates the specification. Sort of. < 1339078441 630825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember "They" had some demands about how Do-Not-Track must user-interfacistically and defaultically behave before they'd agree to actually (pretend to) obey it. < 1339078461 938268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(1) Today we reaffirmed the group consensus that a user agent MUST NOT set a default of DNT:1 or DNT:0, unless the act of selecting that user agent is itself a choice that expresses the user’s preference for privacy. In all cases, a DNT signal MUST be an expression of a user’s preference. []…]" < 1339078473 119742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1339078474 424633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could always just have it be an on-by-default thing in the installer or something. < 1339078482 712532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you "choose" to agree with EULAs. < 1339078494 817272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also s/[]…]/[…]/. [sic] on that.) < 1339078506 57650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Do-Not-Track thing is a bit silly. It's like the evil bit. < 1339078507 21992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be also on by default if your browser has a privacy theme, because then "that user agent is itself a choice". < 1339078523 734213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did people decide it was a good idea, exactly? < 1339078550 393760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a "step toward putting you in control", according to Mozilla. < 1339078573 146501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't you just love ad companies?) < 1339078706 100454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFF's all about Do Not Truck, I've seem mentions in their blag often. < 1339078751 451754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you set the Do Not Truck header to "1", Google Image search will not return images of trucks, even if they would otherwise match your query. (Not true.) < 1339078886 790668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42:20: Sourceforge "user review" for SPIM, the MIPS(32) simulator: "One of the best FTP clients I've tried for GNU/Linux and Windows" < 1339078886 986370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:42:28: I, uh. Okay. < 1339078887 151978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339078930 177332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:49:43: http://blog.agdunn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/xspim1.png -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/spimsimulator/screenshots/313041 it is a bit of a modernization. < 1339078930 362896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:33: imo the old was much better < 1339078930 522494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking. < 1339078945 538742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet HackEgo still uses bash. < 1339079097 127015 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ps < 1339079105 970914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PID TTY TIME CMD \ 272 ? 00:00:00 init \ 274 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 276 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 277 ? 00:00:00 cat < 1339079110 256571 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps | grep bash < 1339079113 537311 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 ? 00:00:00 bash < 1339079122 200889 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to < 1339079144 397405 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what shell should HackEgo use then? < 1339079167 75764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You said ash, I think. < 1339079179 936483 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1339079199 533658 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or sash bwahahaha < 1339079242 545041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:29:02: why would google want to make a font? < 1339079247 845853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromebooks. < 1339079253 873859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More generally, the Chromium OS thing.) < 1339079487 484483 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339079507 519062 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't know what it is like to use sash download http://fpaste.dy.fi/oB7/dl That is the better version) < 1339079546 253862 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is staticaly linked sash 3.7 with patches I use in my own minidistro < 1339079636 829702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:57:20: Vorpal, you... do know that the Wii remote works as a pointer, right? < 1339079640 620909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is kind of inconvenient.) < 1339079708 922827 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339079709 349897 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339079709 509669 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339079770 670718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:11:26: No, I'm referring to how if you die in a boss fight you're reset to the start and you can't save. < 1339079777 1666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mumble mumble permadeath. < 1339079803 100190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The FTP client review is, incidentally, only six hours old (was three when I pasted), and written by a "Titus Higginbotham". < 1339079865 229772 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did you say "I bet HackEgo still uses bash." to Gregor? < 1339079873 938898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No reason. < 1339079903 496400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:28:01: It's got eight extra levels after the first 100 normal ones. < 1339079906 754721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're all impossible. < 1339079908 201543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for me. < 1339079932 691312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of them was not too bad. But mostly they were horrible. < 1339079938 771602 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339079955 68854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have completed one, I think. < 1339079957 640670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also rather fanciful. There was a picture of a cat or something. < 1339079967 792613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Whoa, a *new* spelevator? < 1339080010 822274 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1339080044 502469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:56:53: asiekierka_: Did you add the XKCD variation of Deadfish? If so, why? < 1339080050 101181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it was not in the original? < 1339080075 229932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Deadfish&diff=10505&oldid=9188 what, he ruined it < 1339080141 518780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, asiekierka did add it. < 1339080150 547022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it should have its own article, then < 1339080209 980527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:43:46: Gregor, that is getting a Like < 1339080212 862669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I thought you "deleted". < 1339080221 84525 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have two accounts < 1339080225 843008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb... < 1339080226 705063 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is now "deleted" < 1339080243 542097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the second when the first one had too many friends to load the chat bar < 1339080264 912310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Very cool serendipitous interaction. You should have asked to send the pic to you." < 1339080279 58212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is this do you think you are Fabio now?" < 1339080284 300832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook! I love Facebook. < 1339080290 985527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will listen to that Thank You Facebook song later. < 1339080294 781229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To show how much I love Facebook. < 1339080405 548522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20:08: the main clojure guy really Gets It in terms of the relationship between functional and imperative programming < 1339080424 555462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Gets It to the point where its STM implementation just errors out noisily at runtime if you happen to try and do anything "unsafe" in a transaction? < 1339080548 935848 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7B0.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339080572 578137 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. my minidistro compiles userspace in 1m 45s on my machine < 1339080732 531767 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339080893 391455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:57: David Rees and Blackwing Pencils: Artisanal Pencil Sharpening http://youtu.be/spMaP-_Cq_8 < 1339080895 17342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.artisanalpencilsharpening.com/ < 1339081349 400159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:26:19: You don't get exp when knocked-out, so Crono spends quite a lot of time unconscious. < 1339081350 305740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339081507 982265 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-82.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339081669 337473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081671 672041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081673 294743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081675 289554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081677 90368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How much did you pay for the Bundle? < 1339081687 140794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what makes you think I've bought it < 1339081693 97474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Why wouldn't you have? < 1339081695 460799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the bestest one. < 1339081709 552416 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just spent a lot of money; have little left; already have Amnesia < 1339081735 188205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion! Psychonauts! < 1339081738 76539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone loves those games. < 1339081749 820811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:38: Hey, it's that IPv6 launch day today. (Well, yesterday already, as seen from here.) < 1339081752 738846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: esolangs.org is TAKING PART. < 1339081761 61685 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP is not. < 1339081762 301009 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Humble Bundle accept cash? < 1339081767 170886 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - not at al! < 1339081772 155132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339081813 287212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at al < 1339081819 94165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :notat al < 1339081823 522286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No tat, Al. < 1339081910 8034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:50: $ host 193.0.14.129 < 1339081910 206937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:50: 129.14.0.193.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer k.root-servers.net. < 1339081910 207196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:59:51: ERROR:Word not found < 1339081913 621843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: This prefix seems suboptimal. < 1339081963 343145 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you suggest then? < 1339081979 343654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. There aren't many left. < 1339081985 24552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oonbotti: " would work. :p < 1339082001 794485 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. is \ used for anything? < 1339082053 346002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339082058 221859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... myndzi? < 1339082059 665502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo < 1339082062 377884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1339082062 741960 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1339082064 6450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. < 1339082066 333644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pietbot uses ), when it is alive < 1339082075 908755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've reserved ) for this channel) < 1339082089 254718 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it meant "\ " without the quotation marks < 1339082110 541787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that could work, yes. Ooh, ooh, how about the Euro symbol? :p < 1339082132 917816 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or £ < 1339082162 557602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have it at AltGr-3) < 1339082167 565745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not British! < 1339082272 418468 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what avout ¤ < 1339082294 396969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not... uh... in international waters? < 1339082404 652876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :½ would also be pretty nice < 1339082412 786775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :œ < 1339082413 686643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∂ < 1339082414 418976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :† < 1339082417 665744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many good prefices. < 1339082421 278303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :• < 1339082422 2361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¶ < 1339082422 903737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨ < 1339082423 835923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1339082425 253847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ < 1339082426 46745 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :§" < 1339082427 241070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :˚ < 1339082429 231001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :« < 1339082431 219564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ç® < 1339082433 227603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∑∑∑∑ < 1339082435 224941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :å < 1339082437 207087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥ < 1339082449 351862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, that ~ one is ASCII. TOO ASCII. < 1339082464 229981 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ < 1339082480 255999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what shachaf says. < 1339082484 961978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI. < 1339082488 610574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly Unicode. < 1339082564 212046 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ < 1339082579 228731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¢ < 1339082579 949317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :∞ < 1339082580 678297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1339082584 927968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :›ÂÏÒ„‰Ï∏ < 1339082586 278519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ϙ∏Ø„‰˜∏Ø < 1339082680 949714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am using kaspersky internet security 2012 full version. It is the king of antiviruses." < 1339082690 658873 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339083028 657371 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339083032 670596 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339083071 373663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add an #esoteric command. < 1339083072 459040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1339083342 62242 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339083356 900831 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ foo < 1339083359 265098 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ foo < 1339083370 128608 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :' foo < 1339083370 326223 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339083372 958341 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1339083375 737269 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339083375 896587 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339083426 840124 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339083430 320958 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ foo < 1339083430 994934 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:Word not found < 1339083442 563455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vZTVrdQ/stackoverflow.com-q-10931271.html < 1339083458 34045 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ words < 1339083458 655822 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD >R * - / . R@ R> < 1339083496 464878 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1339083501 508916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, there's another. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10930338/buying-a-so-account (It's identical.) < 1339083503 133285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes. < 1339083580 700710 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone wants to buy stack overfrow account. but why? < 1339083587 518971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the reps! < 1339083592 582177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083593 120628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083594 390505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a paragraph. < 1339083595 471765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1339083609 970441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it even says it in the post! To "start good with the community". < 1339083615 926479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll sell mine. < 1339083623 292281 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the reps so important < 1339083624 881165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I could make, like, $3. < 1339083631 917927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: To start good with the community! < 1339083645 471124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also you can vote to delete posts and stuff? I'm sure that's important to start good with the community.) < 1339083918 332048 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#rawirc PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1339083931 183527 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1339083991 760476 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #esoteric is now implemented by the way < 1339084000 293740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear. < 1339084044 936017 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339084141 397115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric isn't the least common thing to start lines with in #esoteric, I think. < 1339084141 608964 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1339084150 495205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's accurate. < 1339084189 986003 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can remove that if you want < 1339084199 322773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's very accurate. < 1339084268 86432 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it doesn't post ascii goatse < 1339084337 123285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should! < 1339084346 479909 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'll implement that < 1339084352 303138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339084394 407343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My quest to right unreadable Haskell code has hit a slight hitch < 1339084399 352168 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unreadable < 1339084401 712461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try wronging it instead. < 1339084408 655751 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want it I don't implement it < 1339084412 97319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*write < 1339084416 889689 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think phonetically) < 1339084423 57091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ASCII goatse might not be the ideal thing to spam the channel with, no. < 1339084424 156040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The logo of a nearby driving school has gotten a lot more suggestive since the Internet age: http://www.haaganautokoulu.fi/wp-content/themes/thematic/img/header.jpg < 1339084443 738451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder what the triangle is. < 1339084460 408349 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, instead of printing the fibonacci sequence, it prints segfaults < 1339084473 281599 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's what happen when I get confused < 1339084474 145644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it tries to be a traffic sign, we have many triangular ones. < 1339084502 412784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Huh? < 1339084511 624127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell programs should never segfault unless you use unsafe things like the FFI. < 1339084516 140729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should report a GHC bug. < 1339084519 791421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses unsafe things < 1339084529 150524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, then I wanna see. < 1339084529 874199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste! < 1339084531 707273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thing < 1339084551 495161 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, let me get it to the thing that doesn't work like it doesn't work < 1339084595 991872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it's just unsafePerformIO, it still probably shouldn't segfault.) < 1339084598 349404 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D. On my school there was a band called "Go at sea" < 1339084607 489750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unsafeCoerce < 1339084613 880734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well then. < 1339084635 403469 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/69662 < 1339084658 466640 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty funny when whole school starts shouting "Goatsea! Goatsea!" < 1339084659 336934 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the unsafeCoerces can be replaced with ids < 1339084722 572908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That i looks susceptible to the monomorphism restriction. < 1339084727 130638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps give it a type signature. < 1339084740 128461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At the top level, not in the expression, I think.) < 1339084755 172623 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the bands logo has two hand ripping a hole in a cloud < 1339084764 942130 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*band's < 1339084912 69980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Heh. I think I've heard Haagan Autokoulu being referred to as "Goatse-autokoulu". < 1339084934 218061 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pair may be wrong < 1339084995 62752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339085213 726899 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they had to change band's name though. (I suspect one of the teachers ran into goatse.) They renamed it "Meet spin" < 1339085221 525594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339085382 576804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339085461 500425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ping < 1339085526 827039 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the problem is, I have no idea what type fibs should be < 1339085531 848301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone: brb < 1339085547 462693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It may very well have no type. < 1339085556 724375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in doubt, try giving it the type "a". :p < 1339085609 702786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reason for Moderation Work [...] Wants to leave the crowd of normal users and become special member of Stack Overflow with The Diamond Privilege." < 1339085712 22245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Don't you miss NSQX? < 1339085716 302592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss NSQX. < 1339085793 854571 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? has he stopped < 1339085931 152338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He hasn't edited or come here in ~days, at least. < 1339085939 509376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2 May, it seems. < 1339085947 997768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I still have to feature a new language, like, days ago. < 1339085960 744320 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with eodermdrone < 1339085966 45625 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still brb) < 1339086073 422799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339086156 389103 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: feature HQ9+ < 1339086165 146470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not even a candidate. < 1339086177 521619 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339086227 293750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T NOMINATE IT < 1339086284 762048 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU SPEAK IN CAPITAL LETTERS? < 1339086290 478300 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339086296 409931 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I AM ENRAGED < 1339086310 967047 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, added top-level type signatures, still segfaults < 1339086344 350400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one with a useless type signature was fibs2 < 1339086606 557217 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1339086736 665019 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339086737 368672 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339086763 25581 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339086916 334027 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339087077 949625 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087396 738960 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087487 625593 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastefortunes < 1339087493 317007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2581 < 1339087732 211565 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339087734 563341 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1339087888 912494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't work < 1339087926 561660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339088286 907980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: pong < 1339088287 140174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339088340 229735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1339088340 445453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 21h 43m 6s ago: Why is "otherwise" not in Prelude.Generalize? It seems a silly thing to leave out < 1339088340 629469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 20h 49m 26s ago: What's the point of the application$ rule? The only time it'd get fired, the instance of Function for (i -> o) i o already does it < 1339088340 789059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb asked 6h 50m 26s ago: Could you give me a copy of the next version of Prelude.Generalize so I know what'll be in it, please? < 1339088378 540964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "otherwise" is not useful at all < 1339088390 367422 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339088470 173445 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fan Dumb: 2DBoy released the game with no DRM whatsoever because they thought they could trust their audience. Their reward was a 90% pirate rate. < 1339088470 370682 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" -- TV Tropes on World of Goo. < 1339088500 460438 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still feels really weird when people write stupid things on TV Tropes because I've unified it into one 'voice', the same as WP. < 1339088517 68377 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it makes guards look better than using True < 1339088527 809842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have a unified voice for TV Tropes and it *doesn't* typically say stupid things? < 1339088546 110975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also Wikipedia the Person is the funniest person ever.) < 1339088548 299374 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes articles don't usually say stupid things... < 1339088556 120831 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not that stupid. < 1339088658 231446 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also yeah, I love Wikipedia The Person. < 1339088680 339610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best part is that they occasionally break down and start jibbering nonsense. < 1339088691 457739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other best part is that they NEVER LAUGH. < 1339088709 171548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they keep disclaiming everything they write. < 1339088725 649377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bill Gates is gay. (I don't have a citation, though.)" < 1339088737 957661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people (who? I'm not sure.) say Bill Gates is gay." < 1339088768 118280 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I prefer how they completely skip around their own presence in the world. < 1339088788 694854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people have accused Wikipedia of inaccuracy." < 1339088790 789010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":(" < 1339088825 661607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I happen to disagree < 1339088844 104702 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's your library < 1339088900 98258 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next question? < 1339089042 245712 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the third would be the most productive < 1339089100 276984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will send what it currently is, but even these I might change before next release < 1339089115 743037 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really so I can figure out an order < 1339089137 434632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of the "application$" rule is just things I do not completely understand the rewrite rules < 1339089150 851761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust you on that < 1339089154 145502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you want to reorder the exports you can do so < 1339089160 931930 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339089166 295644 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I need to know what's going to be in them first < 1339089175 706136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ZTIc < 1339089188 353392 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1339089305 341275 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you explain what Part1 etc do? < 1339089325 750792 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339089326 913737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It is a generalization of fst, snd, first, second < 1339089337 228721 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339089343 789159 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1339089344 5902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1339089354 80700 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy poor monqy hi < 1339089354 321473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1339089366 378380 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339089366 611931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 12s ago: poor monqy hi < 1339089507 634458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome , monqy < 1339089638 84532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you missed `ansi code fun' < 1339089652 575280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm going to write all the things on cards, and order them < 1339089779 929861 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1339089780 535054 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo, #welcome, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth < 1339089841 802132 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome < 1339089846 917049 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1339089847 78065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, needs an Eodermdrome interp. < 1339089851 121323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hello < 1339089858 361148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcome monqy < 1339089859 49311 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to this completely useless channel! < 1339089862 405514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339089865 703914 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: #welcome is for #esoteric-en < 1339089870 717789 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to you too oonboote < 1339089872 108195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#welcom-en < 1339089878 944840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#velkommen < 1339089883 421248 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #esoteric-en a thing < 1339089893 745398 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good thing < 1339089895 922642 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it exists < 1339089903 55301 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it a thing < 1339089947 203599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know coppro plays nethack 4 in hugeterm. this was uncovered a few days ago. "things you missed" < 1339089953 206665 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1339089954 766543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used hugeterm once! < 1339089958 919579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i started playing nethack a few years ago < 1339089960 309202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i stopped. < 1339089981 506641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ais523 has also said that hugeterm doesn't matter if you have a non-ttyrec recording format that lets others spectate with any terminal size. < 1339089986 592519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"giants; felled" < 1339090022 102068 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all of oonbottis public (for everyone to use) are listed in #help. commands not listed in #help require you to be listed in .botops < 1339090025 179455 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you watch in "real time" at any size < 1339090033 139839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes once he gets around to implementing it < 1339090043 918721 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want hugeterms taking up my whole screen when i spec < 1339090048 295839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090051 245839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i can watch in any size when i watch < 1339090054 203910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm doesnt matter to me < 1339090057 850810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's still wrong! < 1339090060 770521 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats really the only reason i hate hugeterm < 1339090071 418070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say someone played roguelikes exclusively locally < 1339090073 306952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hugeterm < 1339090078 130646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would stil lbe wrong! < 1339090081 156797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still be < 1339090083 191813 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the locally that's wrong there < 1339090090 250499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1339090115 809097 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play in 139x40 < 1339090116 72566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not AS bad if it doesn't affect other people but < 1339090123 995399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to use a >80x24 terminal might as well just not use a terminal in the first place! < 1339090166 602486 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339090167 62021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339090183 667390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well, terminals are kind of dumb < 1339090186 796906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if you've noticed < 1339090195 331921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faketerms are also dumb < 1339090215 941787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you define "fake"term < 1339090230 192689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's unreasonable to have a screen that shows a grid with the elements being unicode characters < 1339090234 591 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with a terminal i get my beautiful font and can copy text from it !!!! < 1339090236 397117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make things less termy elsewhere < 1339090243 914916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can copy text from a good faketerm too! < 1339090250 140006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could set a font with it etc. < 1339090254 12694 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get www. underlined for me < 1339090256 430759 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a faketerm? < 1339090260 495589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like www. being underlined < 1339090263 2067 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in crawl krakens make screen a mess < 1339090268 50703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds beautiful < 1339090271 943400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot it at yr earliest opportunity < 1339090274 848603 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339090286 730650 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i make urls into links and the thing i use for that underlines them < 1339090291 714946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090295 217286 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent felt a need to un underline them < 1339090304 109076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad entry vault idea: spell out http://crawl.develz.org/ with dungeon features < 1339090328 122180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess some monsters, a book, some wands < 1339090330 424172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any c monsters < 1339090336 926133 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :centaur < 1339090339 142441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339090339 415909 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaktaur < 1339090348 686611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about e < 1339090351 794031 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elf < 1339090353 929651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1339090362 403868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad it'd break the next turn < 1339090367 897098 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it < 1339090373 584993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they'd move < 1339090375 74340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right the books < 1339090379 266258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the :/. would be movable-onto < 1339090379 707333 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put unseen horrors there < 1339090384 402040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea! < 1339090389 276858 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or place the items in walls < 1339090398 84539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that possible < 1339090403 104859 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're ridiculous < 1339090404 387633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost as bad as rock worms < 1339090408 425910 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse < 1339090412 877041 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339090415 189399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk rock worms move < 1339090417 215753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disturbing < 1339090430 714284 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or you could use mimics < 1339090435 471952 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just'd have to worry about the . < 1339090437 508604 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other . < 1339090438 911628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :floor mimic < 1339090442 195839 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1339090451 696544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :entry vault where you're surrounded by inept floor mimics < 1339090453 809505 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a good reason for mimics < 1339090461 564490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a great entry vault" < 1339090530 329080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339090539 187383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to get next to the monsters in that entry vault with all the species < 1339090543 971143 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339090584 177484 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dig the grates < 1339090605 317940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they made out of plain rock or something tougher? I forget < 1339090620 928220 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grates are grates < 1339090635 312997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's an actual thing < 1339090652 479041 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically transparent rock but you can smite-target through them < 1339090653 833715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok remind me to scum for that entry vault and a D:1 wand of digging/disint sometime < 1339090664 271184 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also grab a rod of ice or something < 1339090697 146514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that have smite-targeting? < 1339090701 318753 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339090705 391223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice and risk-free < 1339090729 99921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want some evo for cloud longevity < 1339090745 243315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'll check out the .des, not sure if there's anything expful enough to bother scumming it < 1339090761 214300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghouls probably < 1339090767 39695 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they won't go down easily < 1339090778 820801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it matter, if they can't attack you? < 1339090782 604615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just set up a macro and spam it for a year < 1339090785 465300 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you're a spriggan with dispel and some form of mp regen < 1339090796 523848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:39:42 just set up a macro and spam it for a year < 1339090799 926154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because it'll heal faster than you can regen mp? < 1339090801 371999 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming they dont outheal you < 1339090803 914872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339090826 12197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would probably involve too much startscumming for me to bother with < 1339090854 453206 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339090860 657608 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming light you'd also have to scum pandoora for rod of destruction [ice] !! < 1339090864 867340 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1339090872 288543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to do it before leaving D:1 < 1339090876 356754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you "breeze through the rest" < 1339090879 834933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess diving to Pandoora is probably ok < 1339090887 347451 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spar; dive to d5 < 1339090892 460869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like SpWn < 1339090894 111627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the evo skill < 1339090898 809408 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339090903 736290 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ar has the best evo skill of any background < 1339090906 572442 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the < 1339090907 729435 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evo class < 1339090910 655199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339090914 830571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know < 1339090916 390974 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp has good evo apt too < 1339090919 562787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that works then!!! < 1339090926 678725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wn could theoretically give more though right < 1339090954 731280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is there a way to check those in henzell) < 1339090956 464472 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk but ar has a more useful starting kit for diving and is more reliable < 1339090958 301283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the background skills, I mean) < 1339090978 529634 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you're not exporting (!!!) < 1339091190 184811 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091223 326087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339091262 815896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091573 801280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339091649 836179 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339091715 174822 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/5, would watch again. http://youtu.be/ertsv-KRnVE < 1339091738 985705 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric-en foo < 1339091764 862402 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric hello < 1339091777 928612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sendmsg #esoteric hi < 1339092008 53280 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339092031 130123 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : #sendmsg is for botops only < 1339092088 144862 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a botop < 1339092103 900639 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: botop for oonbotti < 1339092124 148337 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I a botop for oonboote < 1339092128 785179 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to make oonbotti say funny things you can use #echo < 1339092153 128876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes but you are not in .botops file so you are not for oonbotti < 1339092191 46678 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... < 1339092203 993126 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I saw a Nancy Drew game on sale on Steam a while back, < 1339092230 673199 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo hurts norte < 1339092231 388034 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurts norte < 1339092248 372752 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbot no < 1339092263 782105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo yes < 1339092264 455564 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339092274 342678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what you have done, monqy < 1339092469 801173 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@apn-37-7-136-97.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339092504 922901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo hi < 1339092505 640038 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339092707 868385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339092885 883845 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339092991 412097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh;llo < 1339093164 876179 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093167 832090 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339093172 566389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339093190 372018 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093301 818173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339093310 271042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093630 474623 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-191.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093672 685094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339093688 865447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339093703 286835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-148-105.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339093714 866682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chirp < 1339093715 76588 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the word "esoteric" is related to the word "in" < 1339093717 400398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339093721 120410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we broke the silence < 1339093722 481187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously < 1339093729 269532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339093743 638217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that always happen to me < 1339093750 685453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be some like < 1339093753 81063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard conversational rhythm < 1339093754 807195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that we all adhere to < 1339093759 147828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tells us when to break the silence < 1339093759 505401 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Phantom_Hoover is right and we are the same person? < 1339093940 855061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339093987 985449 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already live in the same town, if you also happened to be the same person, personally i would get a bit suspicious. < 1339093999 776883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094076 401336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, shut up, you're the same person as oklofok < 1339094093 589706 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and elliott are allowed to be the same person if we want, < 1339094135 736260 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same person, yes < 1339094141 882953 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same town, no diddly doo < 1339094173 288698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you live in Finland! That's like, the same town as half the channel! < 1339094181 291927 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1339094184 8906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1339094191 977568 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1339094194 692569 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1339094211 951659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have an entry on hexham? seriously? < 1339094215 987659 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to < 1339094258 748774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1339094260 564920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to it? < 1339094261 620171 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1339094267 108189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339094308 529526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094478 652592 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you look at http://sprunge.us/HQIN?haskell again? < 1339094511 849186 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339094529 519313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I really don't know, but I suspect it's the unsafeCoerce that's messing it up. :p < 1339094542 401657 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I presume so. < 1339094563 703092 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one that computed powers worked fine, but that didn't have any loops? < 1339094675 866339 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1339094676 301699 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339095184 77305 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339095305 849435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I am exporting (!!!) although the export list is in a messy order. Feel free to change the order of the export list to whatever you want < 1339095323 957519 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ah, didn't spot it < 1339095334 414442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Fixed a bug that sometimes caused fleeing monkeys to leap into lava if the player was fire-immune, or into chasms if the player was levitating. < 1339095358 812065 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try this new version sometime < 1339095440 195002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you telling me you don't like your monkeys to leap into lava or chasms < 1339095462 905479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the changes seem "pretty minor" (http://brogue.createforumhosting.com/announcing-brogue-v1-6-3-t384.html) < 1339095482 326323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm glad some developers are capable of listening to their players and scaling back OOD nonsense, as opposed to declaring it "interesting" and making it even worse." hmm, this person in /r/roguelikes seems bitter < 1339095646 720520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1339095652 828878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having someone tell me that Clojure is lazy < 1339095659 452767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Person has no Haskell experience < 1339095700 965409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure probably has some lazy structures like lists? < 1339095710 187859 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think clojure has implicit laziness < 1339095720 536267 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any language with closures can emulate laziness easily < 1339095726 26178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, correct < 1339095738 777058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "implicit laziness" is a silly term, because "explicit laziness" is just "any language with closures", like you said. < 1339095756 502106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have to rewrite every data structure to get "lazy" effects, it's useless, so I'd rather just call "implicit laziness" "laziness". < 1339095757 906705 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need closures + mutation to get laziness as opposed to just non-strict semantics < 1339095765 850019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or even better, "non-strictness". But that's pedantic.) < 1339095787 62372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure, but that isn't really what people think of when talking about that :) < 1339095857 687603 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's interesting/funny you can't implement laziness in a strict pure functional language but you can in an impure one < 1339095890 463375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am not sure about "can't". < 1339095895 597577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it, it'll just be more indirect. < 1339095899 607755 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339095904 202680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1339095911 615963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate world thunk (\world' thunkValue -> ...) < 1339095916 994495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where world is your cache of thunk values, and so on. < 1339095934 91626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Implementing laziness" is already indirect emulation, it just takes more of it in a pure language. < 1339095957 533338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to truly emulate laziness in a language that is already lazy? < 1339095997 443844 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with that bombshell, goodnight! < 1339096001 314480 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a book) < 1339096002 490830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-8-213.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339096694 454874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: um. < 1339096702 928501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you have a very nonstandard definition of "reverse". < 1339096838 204189 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1339096844 805380 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're good at finding things on the internet < 1339096915 120022 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :find me a temperature monitor that can do an overlay for fullscreen applications that isn't rivatuner (it's a complete mess and the documentation is inconsistent with what turns up on the screen) < 1339096952 588650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, linux or windows? < 1339096957 748095 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows. < 1339096961 786095 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, no idea then < 1339097174 165679 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep getting what may or may not be GPU overheats when playing Human Revolution.) < 1339097248 574234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.core/repeatedly < 1339097251 40136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to puke < 1339097252 944064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: How did you rule out CPU overheats? < 1339097267 423602 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "may or may not"! < 1339097269 300538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's wrong with that? < 1339097270 983633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Takes a function of no args, presumably with side effects, and < 1339097271 146308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns an infinite (or length n if supplied) lazy sequence of calls < 1339097271 306100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to it" < 1339097282 286991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's wrong with that? < 1339097284 122647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reliance on side-effects to do interesting things < 1339097302 384399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Clojure is an impure language. Are you surprised? < 1339097333 103564 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and anyway ruling out either would require an overlayable temperature monitor. < 1339097624 841866 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait if it was a CPU overheat why would it only happen in fullscreen. < 1339097887 621452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger pixels < 1339097909 28439 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339098309 768787 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-33-200.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339098398 208580 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How should I formulate it then? < 1339098674 109583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if X-Setup is the tool he remembers from when he was younger < 1339098931 462268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339098990 891120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339099011 820438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45:11: 00:45:25: CURSE THIS WALL THAT HIDES THE VENUS TRANSIT FROM ME < 1339099011 980409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45:19: i thought it wasn't visible in Europe anyway. < 1339099025 816302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) i was paraphrasing zzo38 (2) it actually was visible in norway a bit after midnight, modulo clouds < 1339099048 244552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much of the rest of europe, iirc that wp map < 1339099127 438047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think there maybe was a short time after about 6 am when i could have seen it < 1339099167 415446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was cloudy most of the night, but a very sunny day) < 1339099211 838399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by night i mean before 6 am more or less, the sun is up earlier than that < 1339099260 912829 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was visible in northern europe < 1339099292 127913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... visible everywhere that has sunlight at some point during the transit? < 1339099301 67973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'd think :P < 1339099320 470752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :think? I don't think I can think < 1339099335 114253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically there is probably somewhere that only got the part of the sun disk where venus wasn't... < 1339099396 531308 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to look at it at 4:29 but I forgot to set the alarm ... < 1339099418 409198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the calculation for Venus transit being visible? < 1339099424 516863 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't out of bed until noon anyway < 1339099499 996695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339099517 988607 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bffb is part of the languages which are palindromic turing complete ;D < 1339099524 16479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is such a good listener. < 1339099532 829391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my l key is getting uppity < 1339099546 308777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparent diameter? < 1339099570 692136 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cally < 1339099618 992491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks there is probably a crumb under it < 1339099636 803695 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just bfb? < 1339099653 629890 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I stop sending messages throught my bot? < 1339099665 872762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO SAID THAT < 1339099671 954670 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because brainfuck is usually bf? < 1339099677 234915 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I < 1339099688 630067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339099708 252292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nortti is a bot anyway, same last 3 letters in finish < 1339099711 880683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finnish < 1339099729 963891 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't notice that < 1339099756 331486 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no. I am not a bot < 1339099764 741779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1339099767 969874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _would_ say that, wouldn't you. < 1339099793 494785 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: I'm saying bfb vs bffb.. both are palindromes < 1339099801 138871 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1339099807 931396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, elliott is just clever enough to switch the letters around a bit < 1339099819 594989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: so about bffb < 1339099820 582347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also read logs < 1339099825 205592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] is not a palindrome < 1339099826 607699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is [>] < 1339099829 36347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf is your example abou < 1339099829 325955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1339099888 642545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously visually mirrored palindromes should count in some way < 1339099898 782401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-] isn't a palindrome? < 1339099915 580442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "mirror palindrome" < 1339099921 38431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is even better than the regular kind. < 1339099933 775916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Maybe you should call yourself "fungotti"? < 1339099935 212370 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what have i done wrong here?" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord) and 600 bytes fnord i think. < 1339099997 387836 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=BFFB&action=historysubmit&diff=32714&oldid=32712 <- there. happy ;)? < 1339100009 739968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly http://paste.lisp.org/display/fnord does not exist < 1339100013 639066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as fizzie wanting help with "600 bytes fnord" of lisp code < 1339100045 330759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should read/see _Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead_! < 1339100213 758725 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 600 bytes*fnord. < 1339100233 315032 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi's alias system is pretty nice. I can just type /obmsg channel text instead of /msg -freenode oonbotti #sendmsg channel text < 1339100233 522776 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bytes*fnord is the integral of bytes over fnord.() < 1339100280 243150 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a bot? < 1339100281 538070 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: fnord. fnord että fnord se mulle moi vai vihaako se mua. lol.) < 1339100290 837472 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339100321 860926 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1339100322 20556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how clever to answer in the secret finnish code < 1339100322 667498 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1339100332 638100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot in finnish mode now? < 1339100333 543254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that explains it < 1339100341 452086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does < 1339100345 417031 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style help < 1339100346 195459 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100351 326183 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style finnish < 1339100352 158323 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100358 218252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style Finnish < 1339100359 27238 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100367 462580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1339100368 61357 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1339100376 834182 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1339100377 658820 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1339100400 114570 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you have to say? < 1339100401 154660 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: magic change! we must set a trap... heh, heh... steel! get out. you haven't done anything. < 1339100402 818762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is that the one which the sword alone cannot stop? < 1339100403 683992 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one laughing last! everyone is here...? what if she meant. i don't care what the shinra train? what are you!! < 1339100405 274411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fantasy < 1339100406 31791 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we know you're here!? i tell you all the workings of the cetra to leave the rest to ol' cid! we can use a tent and/ or select *save*. < 1339100425 526471 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc* < 1339100426 172003 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1339100429 375758 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1339100430 69516 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1339100440 865782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the star was there to indicate the currently selected style < 1339100455 791075 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you find in the logs? < 1339100456 851942 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: if you really need to go to < 1339100457 11137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is getting pretty good with that thar thinking < 1339100484 581090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I can pretend to think < 1339100501 572331 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: pretend to think < 1339100513 296129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it please you to think you can pretend to think? < 1339100532 902192 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1339100533 729677 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2N3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O3O4O5O6O7O8O9O2O < 1339100537 674060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think you something something fungot < 1339100538 608132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not /forum, apparently! < 1339100564 561295 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not eliza < 1339100595 78450 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually thinking about it having eliza/doctor bot would be fun < 1339100604 216491 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that fun < 1339100616 29197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not *that* fun < 1339100724 751101 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339100857 49219 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-191.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1339101052 656252 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339101053 265485 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339101250 632392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :wading | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339101270 151594 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339101677 362801 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339101689 714672 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with eliza < 1339101727 993344 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza hello < 1339101728 547132 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101742 254492 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101742 826791 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, how are you feeling today? < 1339101754 725897 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#eliza Hello, how are you feeling today? < 1339101755 320257 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello... I'm glad you could drop by today. < 1339101767 351490 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ WORDS < 1339101771 747276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you removed that? < 1339101775 973100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339101790 368033 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: new commandchar is \ < 1339101793 391794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what language is the bot itself written in? < 1339101800 788437 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: python < 1339101821 350807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should use ¥ as a command char if I write a bot < 1339101836 390213 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I keep hitting that instead of $ on this keyboard < 1339101851 284629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so altgr-6 rather than altgr-4 < 1339101856 6605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? blub blub < 1339101862 636031 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1339101879 312861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggests the command prefix "hi" < 1339101899 661566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339101902 805070 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't someone write an implementation of some language in apache rewrites and it was faster than the reference implementation in python? < 1339101912 381885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot who did it and what language it was about < 1339101916 430741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would result in us wading in hi, appropriately enough < 1339101921 424963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or topically enough? < 1339101949 622823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster TOPIC #esoteric :wading in hi | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339101955 208135 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot consists of 4 files: ircbot.py, botcmd.py, sforth.py and eliza.py < 1339101955 890982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, I did one of thue... but IIRC they were approximately the same speed in the end < 1339101973 695304 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh, where did the "faster" bit come from then? < 1339102002 173259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just don't recall at all what the exact result was, if I said faster it should've been faster or I'd have been lying < 1339102013 670818 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339102036 183906 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339102036 995187 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339102137 677587 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102149 858578 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339102162 111889 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: here again? < 1339102162 650451 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1339102167 579938 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102176 902963 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1339102185 386583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliza is boring < 1339102209 546715 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ WORDS < 1339102209 718074 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ; WORDS FORGET + DROP 2DUP SWAP DUP NIP ROT OVER MOD >R * - / . R@ R> < 1339102227 843626 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: get me better AI with pytho implementation < 1339102231 290648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339102234 320529 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1339102238 225427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Clojure often used in a work environment? < 1339102244 603892 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how do you define something like a loop using those words? < 1339102249 969255 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely lost < 1339102253 600696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, that means I could learn an actually-decent job-relevant language < 1339102254 395788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is in a Clojure work environment < 1339102261 863788 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't. it usn't nearly complete < 1339102269 180325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339102276 525743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't want to learn Java < 1339102281 191987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :any and all languages should be job-relevant, for the kind of job you want to be having < 1339102284 410253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I know the basics of classes and interfaces < 1339102288 771861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except python and ant) < 1339102296 622653 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339102352 793657 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only differences from yesterday are addition of 2DUP and ROT and implemeting MOD in forth < 1339102362 337251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, I don't seem to have put the "benchmark" results in writing anywhere on like my blog either < 1339102382 939342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric < 1339102438 684387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I think you need HERE, POSTPONE, DOES>, IMMEDIATE right? < 1339102453 989542 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err and something that ends up in a JMP I guess < 1339102461 555789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm < 1339102479 609810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, speaking of ant, what about maven? < 1339102486 405411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of it, never used it < 1339102496 401419 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I used java I mostly only used eclipse < 1339102496 600409 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like ant, but with more xml, I think < 1339102503 407805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let that do whatever the hell it wants < 1339102513 300100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does eclipse use ant? < 1339102550 344687 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think eclipse can if you want to (otoh, why on earth would anyone?), but eclipse mostly does everything its own way < 1339102557 698719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in the project I have here it seems to be invoking android SDK tools rather, so I guess that is nothing like the standard build setup < 1339102577 830919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I don't have any non-android projects handy < 1339102610 703243 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why would I use eclipse if I wasn't developing for android? NetBeans crashes far less often!) < 1339102649 552517 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, btw it is amusing but eclipse on windows is far less stable than on linux < 1339102670 918460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could e.g. use vim... the android tools kind of push you into using ant for all Java parts of the build though < 1339102673 223027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when working on android projects < 1339102689 501354 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh I need a GUI layout designing tool :P < 1339102695 998977 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netbeans support for android lacks that < 1339102707 387613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so me < 1339102708 810484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh* < 1339102734 625783 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write the layouts in XML too < 1339102744 607434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :using $EDITOR < 1339102747 375856 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes but that would be much more painful < 1339102751 988724 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would involve writing XML < 1339102754 910144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1339102818 906106 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eclipse on windows just like to randomly bug out in strange ways... Usually restarting it helps. Things like showing incorrect build errors in the list but not in the file (or vice versa) and no at all errors in that file after restarting eclipse. < 1339102835 638690 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just null pointer exception in eclipse itself < 1339102865 237617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway, so far I will take a crashing eclipse over writing XML manually < 1339102886 62220 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wonder what working with the NDK will be like. < 1339102888 869958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I need it < 1339102895 510274 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not, it seems painful to setup < 1339102933 140274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was possible to get it working magically with eclipse's CDT, but unfortunately I have no memory of how difficult it was to get working in the first place < 1339102958 417630 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDT? < 1339102962 806599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do on-device debugging with that stuff ... once you get it working :) < 1339102963 71568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the C environment < 1339102964 134893 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339102985 782685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you should have written a guide for yourself. I always do that when I'm doing messy embedded stuff < 1339103005 472584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like getting the environment for developing native code for RCX setup < 1339103024 299984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a PAIN, had to compile old native gcc and use it to compile old cross compiler gcc < 1339103028 523398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Freenode's webchat have a captcha? < 1339103028 919844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of patches < 1339103034 355334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any bot could just connect directly < 1339103041 150823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the target I needed was dropped in GCC 4) < 1339103043 794960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I got my c compiler to parse throught itself < 1339103056 475896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I decided it wasn't *really* sufficiently nice to be worth doing again anyway, I'll just continue that project using editor and terminal < 1339103057 43268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, you wrote your own C compiler? < 1339103058 476375 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what target did you need? < 1339103069 850710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, trying to remember, h8300-coff iirc < 1339103073 251348 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something weird like that < 1339103073 621414 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: csrf, presumably < 1339103079 147043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the issue was the coff bit < 1339103079 306809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not. < 1339103080 285749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows. < 1339103095 910319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, so old binutils too iirc < 1339103096 489164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. I am aiming for under 64kB binary size when ran on elks < 1339103099 560877 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the eclipse stuff mostly set up the android-like build system in such a way that you can build it outside eclipse < 1339103107 707275 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh so not your own parser :P < 1339103120 497463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm? < 1339103132 976960 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also wrote my own parser < 1339103133 982642 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with writing a C compiler is the bloody parser < 1339103140 612017 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now I'm impressed < 1339103156 553854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or maybe I just recreated the android project files from scratch on my other computer... it wasn't a terribly complicated project, so that would've worked too < 1339103172 605274 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it chockes on K&R style function definitions < 1339103184 683432 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, I decided it wasn't *really* sufficiently nice to be worth doing again anyway, I'll just continue that project using editor and terminal <-- well I need the thing to work on linux and windows. I can't work exclusively on linux. So that would make the NDK even more painful I bet < 1339103239 515199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing just java development is easy enough though < 1339103266 909607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :android on windows is just like android on linux, but you add cygwin < 1339103284 113717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I assume you target C11? < 1339103288 119127 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or C99 at least < 1339103293 69265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and pain, of course, but that's what happens when you develop on windows) < 1339103293 338966 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who would need K&R < 1339103307 498732 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried to use yacc and lex but after yacc threw errors on even example code I said fuck it and wrote my own on C. my compiler only has parser currently so it isn't really that usefull. and no. I target c90 < 1339103308 290984 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Writing C for Android is also pain, so. < 1339103316 192763 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well it is not me as such working on windows, I'm not the only one working on this project < 1339103321 787508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt we will need the NDK < 1339103326 834250 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C for Android is not bad < 1339103332 820751 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't expect it to be a POSIX system < 1339103342 217142 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that bionic libc is bad < 1339103343 497993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an ISO C system. < 1339103352 591484 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it deviate from ISO C? < 1339103356 999397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, all we might potentially need is C for heavy number crunching < 1339103371 653393 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of real time, and would involve threading too so hm < 1339103373 84814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy number crunching on Android < 1339103373 244193 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libc is bit broken < 1339103386 238705 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm doing indoor positioning using WLAN. < 1339103393 967163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no way around it < 1339103420 798441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it in the cloud < 1339103442 745263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libm, wchar_t... < 1339103491 52770 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am aiming to replace bcc after I found out it is too big to run on ELKS < 1339103502 302277 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ELKS being? < 1339103513 699426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 1) lag (yes really, we tested this! On a moving user, the lag from the round trip is noticeable) 2) connection issues would kill it (you might not be connected to the WLAN in question, you could use mobile data) < 1339103530 97656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mobile coverage might be poor in some areas where this could be used < 1339103534 273675 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Embeddable Linux Kernel Subser (basicaly old linux kernel on intel 8086) < 1339103539 245390 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Subset < 1339103543 270735 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339103555 480176 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to finding that hello world in brainfuck I used to benchmark that brainfuck in thue interpreter as interpreted by the two thue implementations < 1339103561 648873 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is it usually compiled with? < 1339103573 452879 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bcc < 1339103575 357547 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the lack of useful wchar_t is annoying < 1339103579 873387 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though wchar_t is broken on principle < 1339103582 604198 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, then how can it be too large? < 1339103585 115657 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's fixed in latest NDK < 1339103604 99926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, people uses wchar_t? < 1339103604 759821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339103605 82237 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because it's a largely *bad* interface does not excuse them for not supporting it. < 1339103619 758438 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can't build anything on ELKS host but bcc has ELKS target < 1339103622 554366 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Used extensively in Win32, actually. < 1339103623 448134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, btw, what about that new fancy renderscript thing I saw in the SDK docs... < 1339103628 796552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it yet < 1339103639 168866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1339103647 599484 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the only UTF Microsoft supports is UTF-16. < 1339103660 596608 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but how does it handle chars that need surrogate pairs? < 1339103665 720696 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wchar_t on Win32 is 16 bit. < 1339103669 627617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly. < 1339103671 353175 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc wchar_t is fixed size? < 1339103677 594174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite all your complaining, the libc and C on Android is overall among the most sane you can find on a mobile platform < 1339103693 328504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anything less than UCS4 and you need to handle variable size chars! < 1339103705 193727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either programs simply don't make the assumption that wchar_t is actually fixed with, or it's actually UCS-2. < 1339103723 729459 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the java environment on Android isn't that bad. Btw what about C# on Windows Phone? < 1339103727 653463 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, but the only alternatives in use are glibc and uclibc. < 1339103739 495446 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# in general isn't all that bad, about as bad/good as Java IMO < 1339103746 76962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: This is like saying "for all your complaining, getting hit in the nuts is much less bad than getting shot in the head." < 1339103753 588879 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well it is pretty good for mobile platform but not stardard compliant. It is based on old BSD code < 1339103763 182526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, anything *in general* you need to handle variable size chars. < 1339103765 588003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, C# has LINQ < 1339103770 783647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That alone makes it better than Java < 1339103774 141633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13 Just because it's a largely *bad* interface does not excuse them for not supporting it. < 1339103775 417323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it? < 1339103775 848404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you don't have to use LINQ < 1339103780 734885 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you like that? huh < 1339103786 211791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like wchar_t is very common < 1339103792 431010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a touch of functional programming < 1339103798 938027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1339103803 752582 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more egregious omissions are in POSIX. < 1339103815 161754 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as largely broken pthreads. < 1339103833 979132 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm but there are native Linux programs below. I seen them from the adb shell prompt < 1339103840 163689 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how could they get away with that < 1339103840 370235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's nothing wrong with linq < 1339103848 857623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They wrote their own userspace. < 1339103867 196878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also sucks. < 1339103882 967588 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough, I only really used it to wrap SQL, and for that it is often just an annoying broken abstraction (sure /when/ it works it is nice, but often it doesn't do what I want) < 1339103888 862065 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does anyone know whose idea was to make android toolbox so horrible < 1339103905 240699 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, heh, I thought it was busybox < 1339103907 93221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339103916 817778 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope, they have a no-GPL-in-userspace policy. < 1339103924 855656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1339103936 406661 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they created their own broken clone of busybox called android toolbox < 1339103953 784580 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains why some of the commands seem unusually limited in terms of flags < 1339103960 266351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more some than in busybox < 1339103963 253286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so* < 1339104009 742351 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that they would eventualy replace that with toybox < 1339104015 120552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does anyone actually use Windows Phone? < 1339104027 420082 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, toybox? < 1339104036 829126 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an utterly ungooglable name < 1339104051 159481 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Rob Landley's new project. google linux toybox < 1339104058 922084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've seen one person with a windows phone phone < 1339104060 434071 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339104071 78436 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1339104095 827094 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, same actually. And that guy was evaluating the user experience on different mobile operating systems < 1339104101 150217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't really count < 1339104117 608074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: FSVO new. < 1339104129 743747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Values equal to 2006.) < 1339104137 69830 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO? < 1339104144 906492 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, "September 7, 2006 - Project launched, first commit to mercurial archive." < 1339104149 256773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott means that < 1339104150 81619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fsvo < 1339104167 970661 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he asked what it meant: For some values of < 1339104169 608828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^ < 1339104225 677455 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I usually refer to busybox as Landley's old project and to toybox as Landley's new project < 1339104228 819844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is GCC C11 support like I wonder < 1339104397 132014 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use toybox commands in place of busybox commands when I can (basicaly everything that is compiled with default config except df (no -h), tail (no -number that tazpkg needs), head (look at tail) and ls (no -h, no color coding)) < 1339104509 423996 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why? < 1339104516 664991 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against busybox? < 1339104552 17460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I use a bloated GNU userland :P (I love my ls & grep --color=auto ;) < 1339104575 669414 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 24k /bin/true. < 1339104590 79778 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I can < 1339104595 209788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: How will my 3TB hard disk cope? D-8 < 1339104607 166773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right, but is there any advantage to toybox compared to bb? < 1339104623 252528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -bsh /bin/true < 1339104623 411815 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :35K /bin/true < 1339104625 992524 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, You are wrong < 1339104629 815250 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: smaller, cleaner aproach, BSD style license < 1339104631 256145 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 35K < 1339104642 940344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry, that has no business being larger than the smallest possible binary. < 1339104655 364034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like, really, int main(){return 0;} < 1339104667 903275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i cared about the size of the true binary < 1339104669 749477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you make *that* that large... < 1339104670 54050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1339104672 527339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1339104673 598955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1339104676 888586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :past me, I mean < 1339104689 877756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it's broken < 1339104690 75064 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/true --help < 1339104693 73028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless you are doing embedded development there really isn't much of a reason to care < 1339104694 567389 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Dude, I want true --help in Swahili. < 1339104700 678953 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really a statement of how much *friggin' terrible code* there is out there. < 1339104701 434316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I've forgotten the magic incantation to make it go < 1339104723 304309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what is broken? < 1339104732 699738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rewrite stuff < 1339104736 680401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339104748 388337 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my true is 0kB < 1339104769 756697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict it's not actually doing almost anything of the interpretation that it should be doing < 1339104846 72933 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /bin/true is 7 bytes < 1339104883 313313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the disk block size being what? < 1339104899 215696 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I used ls -lh < 1339104914 575038 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, yes but on a normal file system it will still take 4 KB < 1339104915 723816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exit 0"? < 1339104916 398313 :jix!~jix@52.62.11.217.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339104916 558130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but the python thing is still running after 15 minutes < 1339104923 284634 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1339104933 259028 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what program where you running in it? < 1339104949 438087 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: du -ach says both are 0 bytes < 1339104970 252528 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1339104975 645629 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :python > thue > brainfuck > hello world < 1339105020 155480 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my ~/bin/true was generated with touch ~/bin/true; chmod 755 ~/bin/true and my /bin/true is symbolic link < 1339105055 599765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, okay, and what? < 1339105078 801136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs mod_rewrite-thue > brainfuck > hello world ... which if you think about it is not entirely fair because the thue program is actually compiled into mod_rewrite rules rather than being interpreted < 1339105086 397836 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why did you say what? < 1339105090 223693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, heh < 1339105098 901409 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is your point? < 1339105133 259493 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that my true really uses only the disk space of i-node < 1339105158 928478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, come to think of it the thue to mod_rewrite compiler could be made self-hosting quite easily < 1339105170 426840 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339105189 41956 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :self hosting thue... do want < 1339105190 751133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but the symlink must point somewhere < 1339105207 687429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and that file must take more than an inode < 1339105214 127153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or be useless < 1339105220 637522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: well, the compiler is a fairly simple set of string rewrite rules, could be written in anything < 1339105220 974982 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. ths < 1339105226 203103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hm? < 1339105228 818698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but it's currently written in sed for convenience < 1339105254 837642 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s+at is true for /bin/true but not for ~/bin/true which is just empty file < 1339105273 38264 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux will run an empty file? < 1339105274 295880 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1339105288 32457 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. It is treated as shell script < 1339105288 901270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is strange < 1339105310 497355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, well then, the memory overhead is much worse than with a real true. You load the entire sh! < 1339105314 96688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame on you < 1339105318 476888 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually old unixes used empty file as /bin/true < 1339105326 437286 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK OF THE RAM! < 1339105335 984270 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes but my executable is 0b :P < 1339105349 344896 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, but that doesn't matter. Disks are WAY larger than the RAM < 1339105353 177926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually at least < 1339105377 346644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure .text and .rodata are shared, but a shell is going to have a lot of .data and .bss too < 1339105390 152767 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my sh is busybox, my /bin/true is busybox. I can't see how it would load more to memory < 1339105396 843826 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correction, a *GNU* shell is going to have a lot of .data and .bss too. :) < 1339105437 155844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, my /bin/sh is dash iirc < 1339105444 289626 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339105445 651692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[25] .data PROGBITS 0000000000618300 00018300 00000200 0 WA 0 0 32 < 1339105455 929130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is MUCH more than a simple /bin/true would have < 1339105461 234675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would have zero) < 1339105466 790416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[26] .bss NOBITS 0000000000618500 00018500 00002bd0 0 WA 0 0 32 < 1339105476 242912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A glibc-linked /bin/true pulls in rather a lot more. < 1339105490 607135 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, indeed, but why would it need to be that < 1339105522 978134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1559742 18024 19184 1596950 185e16 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so < 1339105552 765657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that gets mapped in if you dynamic link a program... < 1339105558 152091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to wonder if Clojure might be a sufficiently good language for me to be happy, that could also be directly career relevant < 1339105576 644282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is moot on a non-embedded system. You have more than enough RAM and disk space usually. This system I'm typing on is a laptop with 2 GB RAM and 250 GB disk. And I'm not worried. Even less so on my desktop with a total of 4 TB disk iirc (this is split by dual booting and RAID 1 though, so 1 TB in practise for linux) and 16 GB RAM < 1339105607 772010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more than 4 TB, I forgot my SSD < 1339105618 216082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. now I use toybox true which loads 83kB toybox to memory instead of 540kB busybox < 1339105621 774521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cache? < 1339105629 942097 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, on my desktop or laptop? < 1339105632 874222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either. < 1339105640 464864 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache size : 3072 KB < 1339105644 185085 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1? < 1339105645 449904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, laptop is a Core 2 Duo < 1339105650 666828 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the cache size is silly < 1339105656 46794 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is L2 < 1339105689 696884 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, anyway L1 doesn't really matter here, /bin/true is not going to run long enough for it to be useful. L1 is useful for tight loops! < 1339105695 225484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/true doesn't loop < 1339105707 756704 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, this is all serving more as a *proxy* for something much more relevant. < 1339105715 60201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, code. < 1339105722 789301 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, and I can't check on my desktop (Core i7 Sandy Bridge) since it is booted to windows atm < 1339105731 473962 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get a large /bin/true like that the *code* is large and hard to understand, needlessly. < 1339105744 992481 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is a much more relevant point < 1339105805 233613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case a simple #include \n int main(void) { return EXIT_SUCCESS; } makes most sense < 1339105823 221821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1339105823 433720 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless POSIX says /bin/true should return 0, in which case you can drop that include < 1339105848 962174 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my own true: main(){return 0;} < 1339105855 901697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: return 0 is guaranteed to work like return EXIT_SUCCESS IIRC. < 1339105864 832219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, perhaps < 1339105865 673649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But return 1 is not guaranteed to work like return EXIT_FAILURE.) < 1339105869 26100 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339105874 358812 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles to 348B binary using otcc < 1339105880 911716 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, didn't you use a symlink before? < 1339105888 501242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you changed your mind? < 1339105896 284992 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also which linker did you use? < 1339105904 876727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/true.c This is not as bad as a lot of *other* things in coreutils, but still a bit much. < 1339105909 183150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it's perfectly reasonable for true to support help, fwiw. < 1339105923 675062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why be inconsistent, UI-wise, just because a program's main purpose is trivial? < 1339105926 941509 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I used otcc. it has builting cpp, codegenerator and linker < 1339105928 424263 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atexit (close_stdout); < 1339105931 126548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHY* < 1339105932 707269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :) < 1339105937 462653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT* < 1339105946 33237 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this notion that most GNU code is terrible < 1339105951 274595 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the programs are useful and work ok < 1339105951 434237 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, uh, perhaps they were supporting some old system that was broken? < 1339105973 255860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But has working atexit? < 1339105982 56382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: instead of assuming there's no reason and they're just dumb, I'd probably assume there is a good reason and I just don't know it < 1339105982 766359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, stranger things have happened < 1339105983 811779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv < 1339106001 107721 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't always call longjmp, but when i do it's from an atexit handler < 1339106002 967300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the log for the file maybe < 1339106007 900091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I'm saying GNU code is good in general) < 1339106008 729330 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or look up the docs for the function < 1339106029 253296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it isn't in that file < 1339106037 817573 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339106053 9289 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/commit/src/true.c?id=309c1c3e47655f610c3c169bc19de9d4a3fc92a1 < 1339106054 858359 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: althought you might not want to use otccelf (otcc that produces elf files. I used that not otcc) for real purposes because it is IOCCC winner < 1339106057 455196 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why yet < 1339106073 985368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, hah < 1339106082 546999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: consider true > file < 1339106090 170712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needing to close stdout seems more plausible then < 1339106091 571719 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's from the giant chunk of portability-by-invoking-undefined-behavior-special-cased called gnulib. < 1339106126 847247 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, winner which year? < 1339106141 709335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right, but why < 1339106164 789436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google index the logs of #esoteric? < 1339106171 179755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339106175 103273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux 2 b u < 1339106179 265916 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't remember < 1339106225 413597 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339106257 439724 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2001 < 1339106257 673508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, didn't you say otcc was the one you wrote?! < 1339106274 442395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a different one? < 1339106276 262785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: why did you ask, out of curiosity < 1339106278 937444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1339106279 605338 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. I have my own c compiler that is unnamed < 1339106282 975734 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339106319 537569 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there? < 1339106338 450739 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1339106341 365549 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how does your JIT dc from IOCCC work? < 1339106353 947131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite well, thank you. < 1339106354 737315 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I can't find the download link < 1339106376 341343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell is the download link from the last IOCCC!? < 1339106376 863107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://ioccc.org/years.html#2011_richards < 1339106380 14712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There appears to be no documentation for why that function exists at all. < 1339106387 224551 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you can stand otcc's c dialect it otccelf produces very small files < 1339106393 167481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that, I am inclined to call it cargo culting. < 1339106417 622804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: If you can stand cat(1)'s assembly dialect it produces very small files. < 1339106420 11108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the function in question depends on functions that need to be special cased for each libc. < 1339106421 900102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, I can only stand using C99 or later < 1339106425 168025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/assembly/machine code/ < 1339106432 859105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wanted to find some logs, specifically the one where I say mod_rewrite is faster than python < 1339106439 97686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: !logs < 1339106443 526933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/machine code/& embedded in a binary format/ < 1339106444 13323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use rsync + grep < 1339106447 926838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes < 1339106449 578470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "dialect" < 1339106460 486747 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1339106469 479995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" it's faster than python now, by 15%" < 1339106491 621648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation of what? < 1339106492 89736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :google found http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/11.04.14 < 1339106508 12584 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, gah I don't want to unravel that. How do you do it? Precompile functions and copy them in? < 1339106523 776199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I think that was with the version that was 10% off the correct answer < 1339106533 121645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My policy remains firm. I'll help you figure it out if you put in a bit of effort, I won't just tell you. < 1339106572 999895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows how! < 1339106576 235112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will also not tell. < 1339106599 654930 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, sec, needs to load the code on a desktop monitor < 1339106619 565150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You told me. Does that mean I'm special? < 1339106623 624332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go take a shower, so if you're onto something I'll help you then. < 1339106632 690332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You asked before IOCCC X-D < 1339106636 486714 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, meh I'm likely going to sleep soon < 1339106639 68080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is true!!! < 1339106640 467836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence, before my policy existed. < 1339106642 677130 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you tell me? < 1339106644 148357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION early & special < 1339106678 395955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh < 1339106681 855888 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :too annoying < 1339106687 683220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just devote a bit of effort to it < 1339106692 104497 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har < 1339106692 303134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to figure out some of it < 1339106699 73602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand this laugh < 1339106699 900007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm half asleep < 1339106707 944265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do it tomorrow :P < 1339106722 240611 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt I will remember < 1339106732 131526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll remind you < 1339106739 252943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather lambdabot will < 1339106783 786849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I will be busy then < 1339106796 896192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could just grep the logs < 1339106800 39494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when Gregor told you < 1339106808 55450 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless that was outside this channel? < 1339106815 879642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1339106819 382656 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339106833 700171 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why not just tell me. You are a nice guy after all. Right? < 1339106843 541636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice enough to not ruin a puzzle for you, yes < 1339106910 150405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm going to try to build Gregor's program under Windows. Using MSVC 2010! < 1339106918 43252 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be portable right? < 1339106932 656095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might work < 1339106938 563836 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about alloca though < 1339106985 233857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does it require alloca or was that an optional feature? < 1339107012 761542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it doesn't compile with bcc ;( < 1339107021 392491 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or otccelf < 1339107047 630823 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, tried the various flags? < 1339107061 631952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it requires it < 1339107088 528135 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339107142 645586 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. it dies on either missing mmap.h or MAP_PRIVATE and MAP_ANON < 1339107160 318391 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, -DNM irc < 1339107161 761953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1339107167 686226 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the code to figure out the defines < 1339107174 695791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just got -6 against death_to_defence with a defence program :) < 1339107179 521763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am now furiously constant tweaking < 1339107189 396651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like defence may be back on after all < 1339107193 463221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1339107194 311722 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  | < 1339107194 491807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339107194 651828 :myndzi!myndzi@c-67-168-184-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /| < 1339107198 232782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you see quintopia updated spelevator? < 1339107211 30532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew he was doing it, I didn't see the final update < 1339107214 876341 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It results in missing symbols < 1339107218 702507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it now gets 50 points or something < 1339107227 719713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good, but not leaderboard-topping good < 1339107231 292100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339107235 880386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what sort of updates did you apply? < 1339107249 691122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does the defence program work? < 1339107273 916110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll publish it all at once < 1339107283 589875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has some similarities to shudder programs < 1339107289 300148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other similarities to lock programs < 1339107303 117962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was just asking for the strategy info, not the code :p < 1339107307 194569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1339107326 455125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically formed of periods of shuddering and periods of clearing < 1339107340 812933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and runs out of time on long tapes, and has a lot of potential for constant tweaking < 1339107479 317574 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : read the code to figure out the defines // or, read the hints file X-D < 1339107500 505163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it would be nice to have a generic constant-tweaker program < 1339107506 187429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a much simpler thing to write than a full evolver < 1339107524 908971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have one, what do you think I'm tweaking with? < 1339107534 852230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I assumed you wrote one for the purpose < 1339107540 434939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It should compile with MSVC, but you MAY need to tweak it to include malloc.h, if I recall my Windows alloca properly. < 1339107541 850643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is its input syntax like? < 1339107556 66500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put a t after any number in the code, it mutates it < 1339107567 851611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why t? < 1339107577 615624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple numbers if you want to optimise multiple things against each other < 1339107584 298197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm guessing "tweak", although I can no longer remember < 1339107590 808598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is it? < 1339107595 477897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and what hill does it use?) < 1339107599 273424 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I have a CD with MSVC 6.0 somewhere, should I try it? < 1339107608 285640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that fast on defence programs, and it uses any hill you like, I'm running it on EgoBot's current hill < 1339107609 315944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I doubt that will run on 64-bit windows 7 < 1339107614 447061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although atm it's optimising for points not score < 1339107619 612305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I really don't want to mess up my system < 1339107632 947989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, MSVC of the ALL-CAPS MENUS < 1339107639 48215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339107641 831606 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that < 1339107657 930137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's new < 1339107662 440045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are raging about it < 1339107666 423246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 2011? < 1339107669 587691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 < 1339107670 553959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a screenshot and they looked reasonable < 1339107672 784650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339107673 823468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first Reddit, and now Slashdot < 1339107684 25411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all caps menus? what? < 1339107692 218694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that make sense? < 1339107697 535499 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs181243217.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/unqpz/microsoft_insists_you_will_love_our_all_caps/ < 1339107698 675482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't work. < 1339107703 264587 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339107705 450260 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, boring < 1339107745 280500 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that seems terrible... < 1339107750 363557 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not 1 april < 1339107752 863229 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1339107781 878927 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :We’ve chosen to use uppercase styling in the top menu for two main reasons: 1) to keep Visual Studio consistent with the direction of other Microsoft user experiences < 1339107784 644248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH? < 1339107791 522663 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else does microsoft use all caps? < 1339107794 302997 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is terrible < 1339107811 128646 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it lists some places below < 1339107812 194801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, the idea's to beat timer clear by, with appropriately tweaked constants, first locking the main loop, /then/ locking the fallback loop < 1339107819 113998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you agree with the other places? < 1339107832 307984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't really know anything about them < 1339107834 644285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that line would be very zzoish if out of context < 1339107836 226599 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not softwares I use < 1339107864 576928 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339107876 724134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do the softwares have codes < 1339107885 318790 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop being zzo! < 1339107887 173376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see < 1339107892 859793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're the one who said "softwares"! < 1339107895 61693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it works in the web design of azure portal (the linked item) < 1339107899 512764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1339107910 858817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kind of at least. Not terribly nice < 1339107914 175993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what will replace Microsoft when they suicide < 1339107920 144647 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not that bad < 1339107921 506509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they'll survive, who knows < 1339107927 834283 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a windows UI it is just horrible though < 1339107928 921536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 8 is going to cause them problems, but they might not be insurmountable < 1339107953 518292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think they are going to get stuck supporting windows 7 for ages, like they got stuck with xp < 1339107954 230186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd rather see them do something like Windows 8 than keep releasing the same OS over and over, it's at least more fun to watch < 1339107968 599911 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because windows 7 is a reasonably good, if resource hungry windows version < 1339107972 358617 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :far better than vista < 1339107983 132063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1339107983 291854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista was not really that bad as i understand it < 1339107985 243386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I'm not talking about my preferences to watch < 1339107991 152977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Vista is my favourite Windows version < 1339108000 608415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh I used vista for about half an hour, it was pretty bad < 1339108004 109339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Windows 8 looks pretty badly executed, but I think there's some good sentiment behind it < 1339108021 849719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to apply to a lot of things Microsoft does < 1339108070 58105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if Windows 8 ends up being a bad desktop OS, probably the best thing Microsoft can hope for is to give up their desktop OS dominance in turn for the mobile/tablet space < 1339108077 254503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "That said, we will enable you to customize the casing, and we are exploring options for how to expose that choice." < 1339108078 920995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, Windows 8 looks like a pretty good tablet OS < 1339108082 991844 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems like a non-issue now to me < 1339108090 724099 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone can get what they prefer < 1339108095 801688 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reistalled Vista 3 times a row because it fucked up itself < 1339108100 353505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust shudderlock http://sprunge.us/hPLe < 1339108103 845109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what with netbooks and so on, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost that desktop OS grip over a slower period anyway < 1339108114 255994 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_shudderlock: 43.0 < 1339108120 823722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't really fit in with the Windows model well, it seems around as third-party-software-hostile as iOS < 1339108131 127805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unapproved third party software, that is < 1339108132 991717 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is far more scary is that they will force specific fonts, meaning clear type hell < 1339108137 376100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really, AFAICT < 1339108154 501320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen that screenshot of Windows 8's metro home page with the Microsoft apps on the left and everyone else's on the right? < 1339108165 573662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contrast is ridiculous :) < 1339108176 88469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a far cry from iOS... < 1339108178 156134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand cleartype. And Segoe UI and Consolas are unreadable without clear type (everything else is unreadable with it though) < 1339108184 634365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone promotes their own stuff like that < 1339108187 82411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_death_to_defence.bfjoust vs ais523_shudderlock.bfjoust < 1339108188 500083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339109564 687808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man.bfjoust < 1339109580 923681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/jousturl < 1339109583 807005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109595 340976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo "http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/$1.bfjoust"' >>bin/jousturl < 1339109598 87163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/jousturl < 1339109598 656209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109601 464201 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1339109608 137582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jousturl olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man < 1339109610 779228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/olsner_kuskelar_a_clatsop_man.bfjoust < 1339109612 189408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yw < 1339109649 298592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, it's mostly a shudder, just with added stupidity < 1339109663 796076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>.)*3 at the end of the program? seriously? < 1339109669 840561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ask olsner" < 1339109759 367491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1339109772 376847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider it the BF Joust equivalent of trolling, and am wondering if it was evolved < 1339109823 594674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, interior_crocodile_alligator was "trolling" (i hate that word) < 1339109833 288025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1339109837 111057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they both are < 1339109852 709607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, interior_crocodile_alligator won because it did really stupid things that nobody anticipated because they made no sense < 1339109990 403289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuskelar is similar < 1339110006 595391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that some of the things it does not only make no sense, but cannot possibly increase its win chances < 1339110016 695747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they either do nothing or suicide < 1339110211 880193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think, more probably, olsner just has no idea what he's doing < 1339110214 479591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is winning by luck :) < 1339110235 378133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: what are you doing < 1339110378 875003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might hypothesize that no matter the hill, there will be some program which can win it despite being easily defeatable in afterthought < 1339110433 171178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you sound like itidus :) < 1339110436 999065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems practically certain to me < 1339110437 158795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically an extended RPS idea < 1339110449 759923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally believed that there is an algorithm that turns a program into a program that beats that program < 1339110453 304029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on all tape lengths and polarities) < 1339110471 246672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "easily defeatable" is a given in some sense < 1339110496 428785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, I think "win it" has to be as strong as "beat every other program on the hill" in general < 1339110501 427237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1339110526 142352 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ viddler has astonishingly obnoxious ads < 1339110602 474472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: and it's trying to charge 10¢ per ad to skip them < 1339110608 478996 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339110610 261947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an astonishingly large amount of money < 1339110611 970314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one ad < 1339110621 850541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely ads cost less than 10¢ each on viddler? < 1339110627 583110 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :per view? < 1339110632 274801 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's genius in its abject lack of intelligence. < 1339110636 548278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm when you put it that way, you could also make the opposite hypothesis - that there's some collection of 50 programs such that at least one of them wins against anything else. < 1339110641 471182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, 10 cents /per ad/? < 1339110646 369838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it's genius in that someone will probably actually pay < 1339110647 425249 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1339110647 897725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes! < 1339110651 171407 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110659 790148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1339110673 146186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are plenty of people who could afford that, but it's still exorbitant < 1339110682 556258 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110687 154011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're rich enough, paying 10 cents per ad is cheaper than going to the fuss of blocking them < 1339110705 781336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because there's fuss in paying the money too < 1339110720 238800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to get an account with the ad payment people < 1339110725 304562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably /more/ fuss than installing an ad blocker < 1339110739 47934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably have to log into it, too < 1339110750 539147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people let things stay logged in < 1339110757 483805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have your personal details in an autofill thing... < 1339110768 380092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that you'd have to be very rich however :) < 1339110772 9280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but spontaneous logout for one reason or another is quite common < 1339110772 875596 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to comment on why Adblock nor Adblock Plus were working on it, but then I realised I have them both turned off on Shamus Young's site. < 1339110807 262119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube does ads better, and dailymotion better still < 1339110836 403211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dailymotion now allows skipping ads with no downside, even if you don't have an ad blocker; this probably works well in that it doesn't really incentivise you to bother to get an ad blocker, so you still see the very start of each ad) < 1339110848 483685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1339110858 830367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(youtube has a delay before you can skip a video ad) < 1339110870 904860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i hate that i live in a world where there is something worse than youtube video ads < 1339110881 739461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they single-handedly drove me to install an ad blocker < 1339110883 736100 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really minded YouTube ads? < 1339110907 279060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: seriously? the video ones? < 1339110907 522078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it really depends on what sort of videos you watch, some genres are much ad-heavier than others < 1339110908 780969 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few seconds at the start of the video... isn't really what I'd call obnoxious. < 1339110913 64974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1339110914 91471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're awful < 1339110936 95283 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? I've never had a problem with it. < 1339110949 354272 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: youtube has ads before videos? since when? < 1339110970 647139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: as I said, it really depends on what you're looking at < 1339110974 685008 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although when they still did the long ads (rarely) I just muted them and tabbed out so I'm pretty tolerant. < 1339110981 308916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch, say, ten to twenty featured videos in a row and you'll start seeing them < 1339110987 265851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I use the mute-and-tab-out method too < 1339111018 763797 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in what kind of videos do you see them? < 1339111019 384842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never notice because AdBlock. < 1339111025 419519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tv i watch the ads out of perverse amusement < 1339111030 366739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1339111030 526601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: featured videos, and videos by youtube partners < 1339111032 443963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're amazing < 1339111038 80909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more than just that < 1339111040 513599 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the Viddler ads were mutable. < 1339111045 235610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1339111048 205851 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I won't hear you badmouth TV ads. < 1339111065 546507 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever wanted a cup of tea in the middle of an hour-long BBC slot? < 1339111068 175220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and the other category is videos which contain audio or video which has a third-party copyright claim < 1339111105 491755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :increasingly common nowadays, with the rise of copyright trolls < 1339111139 662683 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I watch videos by youtube partners and I have never seen them. it mat be because I haven't used youtube's official players for over haof a year < 1339111141 103331 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Americans don't get those "blocked from your country on copyright grounds" messages. < 1339111147 110919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: im not badmouthing they're glorious < 1339111149 720984 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to believe that. < 1339111150 537315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's capitalism at its finest!!! < 1339111164 156319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: We do. < 1339111167 198415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: they do sometimes, but on different content from other videos < 1339111167 358151 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK but seriously why do the 5-second YouTube ads count as obnoxious? < 1339111170 522068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not as often. < 1339111180 513402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "blocked in your country" varies from country to country, obvioulsy < 1339111182 319137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obviously < 1339111201 641034 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... it seems like a decent compromise for me. < 1339111212 234383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i really cba to talk about it < 1339111237 952864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better way is don't use the YouTube, if you can host your own video file < 1339111245 189927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should block ads in more places, I think it's vaguely immoral to support an inviable economic model < 1339111247 32259 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :host it on gopher < 1339111253 227993 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what TV ads are you talking about, I'm desensitised to the because I'm too normal < 1339111257 370038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube-dl for winnitude. < 1339111272 338759 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, shhhh, if they think it'll work don't dissuade them. < 1339111326 438573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The protocol is not relevant, it can be gopher, HTTP, FTP, or something else; I am just saying host it yourself and convert it yourself, to Theora or whatever < 1339111377 992772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: people don't really use Theora nowadays, WebM was open-sourced and open-patented and is better < 1339111401 688186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer Theora < 1339111408 768797 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that is how I watch my youtube videos nowadays. before I used mactubes < 1339111412 787559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could use WebM f you want, too < 1339111428 553421 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Theora is a video codec, not a container format < 1339111429 150624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339111446 21360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :david_werecat: Yes I know. The container format would be Ogg < 1339111492 243503 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1339111492 913603 :PatashuXantheres!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339111531 192998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also uses Theora < 1339111536 550153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's *any* advantage to using Theora over VP8. < 1339111618 145908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does VP8 support Ogg container? < 1339111646 638842 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is more one of "does Ogg support VP8"... < 1339111666 288775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But, the Ogg container can contain any data, I suppose < 1339111706 701814 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339111815 51497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, any reason to prefer Ogg over MKV? < 1339111835 675590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I tried to invent Micro-Ogg which is like Ogg but the block headings are smaller and some features are removed < 1339111849 207727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from "holy mother of fuck MKV is complicated", that is. < 1339111862 983359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes that is the reason. < 1339111876 622102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's a feature that can go in a container format, MKV has it) < 1339111891 722357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-249-73.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The subset of MKV that WebM videos can have isn't that bad, though. < 1339111997 57868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Micro-Ogg < 1339112121 962369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have worked on writing a video disc format, using headerless Theora to encode videos (PAL systems support Dirac as well as Theora), using the Micro-Ogg container for the video/audio data, and other simple headerless binary formats for some of the other data (such as track names and so on) < 1339112303 762706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want VP8, you should still use Ogg or Micro-Ogg < 1339112671 244511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339112882 428821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is not allowed to view TOPIC messages if not on that channel? < 1339112895 643722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :secret < 1339113302 257709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1339113310 696463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bad luck for ais leaving just as i arrive :P < 1339113314 220765 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and me too) < 1339113342 69539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops now you will have 13 kinds of bad luck < 1339113382 317232 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad luck breeds more bad luck? < 1339113384 673052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad luck