< 1339200029 461460 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what sort of systems do you think those companies use? Probably x86-based < 1339200040 237429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a grip on reality < 1339200042 563522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose so < 1339200107 26822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, most likely any company printing large volumes are going to send it to a printing house as a PDF btw. < 1339200174 366600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you want PNG? < 1339200176 792276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, anyway, all the platforms (apart from MIPS possibly, I don't know enough about the details for it) listed uses IEEE floating point < 1339200190 203310 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you embed it in the PDF? < 1339200197 991170 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean? < 1339200205 205020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can PNG be embedded directly to PDF? < 1339200207 678158 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what systems don't? < 1339200236 551553 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, pretty sure that EPS, PNG, JPEG and JPEG2000 are the formats that can be embedded in PDFs < 1339200247 763007 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, ? < 1339200251 38047 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from microcontrollers < 1339200263 764770 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, what? < 1339200272 584192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what systems don't what? < 1339200281 451026 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of systems have no hardware floating point < 1339200286 959490 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :software fpu is probably ieee though < 1339200299 347713 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what systems don't use IEEE fp < 1339200302 607778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, indeed. So you end up with IEEE in any case. Which was my point < 1339200310 73414 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, no common modern ones < 1339200310 974008 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is not dead... 2 of the 3 major game consoles use PPC architecture < 1339200312 436504 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point < 1339200322 945990 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, actually Power < 1339200329 993228 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the PS3 < 1339200334 59980 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339200336 418981 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then < 1339200337 863494 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same ISA yes < 1339200342 180568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tty1 is running NetHack, tty2 is runnin Crawl, tty3 is running robotfindskitten < 1339200345 184082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All x86. < 1339200346 211544 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which one isn't? < 1339200346 407667 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't remember what xbox or Wii uses < 1339200355 478669 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, xbox might actually use PPC? < 1339200369 355478 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot that the Wii also does :) < 1339200374 847749 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, 3 :) < 1339200378 278250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right < 1339200399 787804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose, you should know the printing resolution as well? Since, TeXnicard produces PNG outputs at the printer's resolution. So hopefully PDF support such things if it is required to use PDF, but it would be better to just send the PNG directly if it is the correct resolution already < 1339200416 846148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so 2 of them uses PPC, and one uses Power, which is the same ISA pretty much (except that it is Cell, which means that it is just one out of the many cores that has that ISA) < 1339200446 711182 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, mhm. Seems silly to not produce vector graphics if you can though < 1339200459 778479 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is what #haskell actually believes? < 1339200473 257097 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc is kinda nice ISA. Good thingvppc macs are cheap < 1339200476 33815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 17:02 shachaf: maybe like this?? class StringLike s where f :: CharLike c => s -> (c,s) < 1339200483 66573 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v+ < 1339200494 910021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it is using all raster fonts, raster graphics, etc < 1339200504 137114 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol @ telling zzo38 to get a grip on reality < 1339200506 706708 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why? < 1339200520 804899 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you have a point there < 1339200530 578984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They are better if you know the printer's resolution < 1339200566 928477 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think I have been pragmatized (does that word exist?) over the last few months. Seen what commercial software development looks like. < 1339200599 303546 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why? I don't see why they wouldn't be equally good if both produce the same end result < 1339200601 471332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses TFM/GF for fonts, and PBM and PNG for graphics. < 1339200607 597622 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: should I also start assuming I can use more than 64kB code+64kB data? < 1339200609 660966 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you start a new job? < 1339200615 867337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they would in situations where vector graphics are good enough < 1339200647 327617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No it won't; raster is better quality *if you know the resolution of the printer*. < 1339200674 94404 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I did my bachelor thesis with a software development company. Pretty common here in Sweden. Been doing indoor positioning using WLAN. < 1339200683 185706 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1339200692 99516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is in Sweden? < 1339200701 111269 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no. I'm on Mars. < 1339200704 435106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339200708 315340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Where in Sweden are you? < 1339200716 582084 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, why? < 1339200722 405173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Stockholm, right? < 1339200725 206919 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, no < 1339200727 364658 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1339200735 610042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get kmc to visit you! < 1339200750 265877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE is not only using vector but also JPEG, which results in poor quality output especially also since the printer resolution is not set correctly either. < 1339200750 873489 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc lives in Sweden? < 1339200760 898826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. He's on Mars. < 1339200763 838590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339200770 139979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And JPEG isn't even a vector format so it has to use raster as well < 1339200779 387862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway geoip for kmc claims US < 1339200789 857085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get a cloak! < 1339200790 414434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway why would I live in Stockholm. I hate big cities < 1339200799 880840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get them from that one person in that one channel. < 1339200805 215852 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1339200830 464794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kmc is visiting .fi sometime. < 1339200830 662107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, anyway why are you interested in where in Sweden I am? < 1339200847 797066 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in // < 1339200879 654854 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I may tell you if you give me the reason why you want to know < 1339200890 150461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no reason for wanting to know. < 1339200909 950290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in Sweden for two non-consecutive days of my life. < 1339200916 85863 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that is fair enough. About 30 Swedish miles from Stockholm (a Swedish mile is 10 km) < 1339200938 154232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSE is intended for printing worst quality than official cards. TeXnicard is intended for printing better quality than official cards. < 1339200949 555397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, so quite far away < 1339200966 596512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just said I have no reason for wanting to know! Why are you telling me? < 1339200972 74629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, s/worst/worse/ < 1339200977 537530 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what you mean? < 1339200987 70574 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, because you answered my question < 1339200991 403337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that was a valid answer < 1339200991 564975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes < 1339201053 305092 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339201256 931083 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D289.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339201655 798956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :waking in yo | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339201902 958718 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339201956 784729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to have the Magic: the Gathering symbols in METAFONT < 1339202055 473914 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339202090 104670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You shoult not get a cloak. You should get a clock! < 1339202161 598289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1339202170 425419 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :report.c is so hacky < 1339202181 496804 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1339202191 194406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: halp < 1339202204 597495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY CANNOT HALP FROM CHINA < 1339202240 724008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i was going to rewrite report.c < 1339202242 586511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that hels < 1339202243 380312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps < 1339202262 767838 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped in fortune cookie factory < 1339202316 494667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can't even tell me what the hell kind of method is being used to store the scores? it is a signed char *, and the part where it gets read into looks like < 1339202325 486492 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : st = 0; < 1339202325 686432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : SF(tmpi, read, -1, (scorepipe[0], &st, sizeof(int))); < 1339202326 568417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric : scores[row + i] = st; < 1339202330 567103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You think I REMEMBER??? < 1339202341 891607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MAYBE < 1339202345 627224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume one char per score, in some kind of logical order. < 1339202361 612634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was going to rewrite it in Haskell. < 1339202361 821968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a score be a char < 1339202363 198279 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, looks like one INT per score there. < 1339202380 147117 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Because it's never going to be less than -128 or greater than 127? < 1339202387 26938 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339202403 133731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it easy to do linear algebra in haskell? < 1339202422 180566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i found a linpack binding < 1339202520 26205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out how to do my scoring with just one dgesv < 1339202582 657825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if you rewrite report i can put it in fairly easil < 1339202605 476591 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can go ahead and give you the gearlance i modified to report both program scores which i need to compute my scoring < 1339202953 404993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I was doing some changes to installed components of windows on this windows 7 system. Strangely enough it didn't want the DVD to add minesweeper. And no it is not an OEM install with everything on the disk. This is installed from a stock DVD with windows 7 on it < 1339202967 223788 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you serious about rewriting report < 1339202991 407768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as in you could get it done over the weekend or w/e? < 1339202993 370701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1339202995 726207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1339202995 938844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :geeks will be geeks: "The IceCube collaboration is now discussing the possible addition of a second infill, called PINGU (Phased IceCube Next Generation Upgrade), which would group an additional series of strings in DeepCore and allow IceCube to detect oscillations as low as a few GeV." < 1339203001 988146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was when i was doing lance < 1339203007 472041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1339203009 980420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will have a god at it < 1339203017 637283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*go < 1339203019 392082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't promise anything :P < 1339203064 88976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i attempt to hack report.c now or wait to give you a chance to have a go at it < 1339203088 582797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to hack at report.c, if you want to < 1339203094 138970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to hold you up < 1339203104 717864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually not very good at doing things < 1339203116 922513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking everything is the next logical step < 1339203201 783317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if i hack report.c and get it running my scoring, would you be able to use that code to add my scoring to your version if you ever decided to do it? < 1339203213 835709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: depends how horrible linpack's c api is :P < 1339203220 319801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes probably. i might have to ask you about some things < 1339203271 383934 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will probably be nearly as straightforward as report.c already is (read: stupidly ugly) < 1339203294 125603 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://theochem.mercer.edu/clapack/dgesv_example.c if this makes sense to you, then my portion of the code should be no problem < 1339203401 511419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1339203402 494888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of does < 1339203434 715656 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339203452 968250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-253.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339204127 45547 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc linpack uses the opposite row/column order of multidimensional array compared to the normal C way < 1339204132 363887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a heads up < 1339204138 272118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339204148 89151 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is because fortran does it that way < 1339204151 604862 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :columns first < 1339204157 47398 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's the "normal C way" < 1339204175 733334 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, row first? < 1339204193 61430 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says who < 1339204262 948273 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, well the point is fortran and C interprets foo[2][3] (and the fortran equiv) the opposite ways in how they are laid out in memory < 1339204299 973682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could consider either way of laying out the data in that array < 1339204308 50150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is up to the programmer < 1339205434 171770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc < 1339205436 183514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know c++ right < 1339205537 657461 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody /knows/ C++ < 1339205543 474451 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe stroustroup < 1339205552 360179 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however you spell it < 1339205610 742525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by knows i mean < 1339205614 618854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can write code that a c++ compiler will accept < 1339205615 586130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1339205665 972751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, all c++ programs stopped compiling after the venus transit < 1339205688 709245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably for the best < 1339205794 190741 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oerjan: btw I might end up writing embedded C++ code for a living. How does that sound? < 1339205807 106857 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some c++ yeah < 1339205809 284170 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why elliott < 1339205811 321280 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whelliott < 1339205816 446319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if i have an std::vector member in a class < 1339205820 337971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has its own constructor < 1339205824 54720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to initialise it in the constructor < 1339205828 451387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will it just be empty all by itself < 1339205831 474568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: awful < 1339205846 87325 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, running on RTOS btw < 1339205869 377387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is actually the name of a specific RTOS!) < 1339205878 311502 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(confusing? yes) < 1339205887 157048 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you do nothing, the ctor for your class will invoke the default ctor for the memer object < 1339205906 270257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it has its own ctor? ok < 1339205907 721621 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to invoke a different constructor, you would put it in your ctor's initializer list < 1339205914 457311 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339205921 326994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: im going to get past vorpal to kill you for writing proprietry softwawerjio < 1339205922 138504 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's no entry for foo in the initializer list, it's like foo() < 1339205925 775670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right < 1339205933 266256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure this class even uses initialiser lists < 1339205937 180129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this codebase is < 1339205938 237123 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I would have to do something for a living < 1339205939 237424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1339205940 120645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1339205971 967013 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ does take some care to make sure values of object type (as opposed to pointer or reference type) are actually valid objects < 1339205979 231288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway it is not like this is going to be useful for most people if I get the job. It is for mining rigs. < 1339205988 128693 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Atlas Copco) < 1339206066 119994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh this codebase uses int so casually < 1339206090 608465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in place of long or what? < 1339206116 26075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in place of something with a defined size, since it's a cross-platform game and this stuff goes into save files and is actually game-relevant and so on < 1339206119 529570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok depending on your definition of relevant < 1339206134 579653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you complete 2 billion or so ziggurats then bad things will happen < 1339206185 782121 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game is it? < 1339206218 487622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl light < 1339206221 408572 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339206228 934445 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a ziggurats? < 1339206232 4146 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ziggurat < 1339206245 22713 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that read as zuggu-rat? < 1339206248 101074 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziggu* < 1339206251 882335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an actual word :P < 1339206255 400240 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339206261 245483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziggurat < 1339206268 770934 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so it is < 1339206272 664217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a portal; you pay a bunch of money and then go through 27 levels of very difficult monsters in a confined spcae) < 1339206274 705777 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange word in English < 1339206282 782732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not english-native < 1339206286 165354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/spcae\)/space/ < 1339206303 957348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh why does this editor keep resetting to hard tabs on every file < 1339206324 923173 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first went like "hey, isn't crawl light a free game?" at that "you pay a bunch of money" before I realised it was in game money < 1339206350 196959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely pay in real life to go through a portal though! < 1339206368 890290 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it teleported me) < 1339206372 21498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to a ziggurat, you wouldn't < 1339206379 408163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339206476 518061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could see an mmorpg charging to enter something like that < 1339206505 543778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see the game itself charging to enter it? < 1339206506 485163 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339206533 246275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing < 1339206533 858152 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1339206543 386581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing < 1339206566 257188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could see an mmorpg game charge in in order for it to a portal? < 1339206569 4738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :to enter* < 1339206573 656927 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it would ever offend an employer if I mentioned The Daily WTF < 1339206577 377153 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, due to the language < 1339206584 868501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I misread < 1339206585 995138 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339206589 700501 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1339206603 167899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, why not? < 1339206604 931617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean real-life money < 1339206606 633829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I read it as if the game itself charged (ran) into a portal < 1339206607 934773 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1339206614 503503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339206621 923686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1339206623 278442 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was why I was somewhat confused < 1339206624 77257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dumb interpretation :P < 1339206630 621586 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is < 1339206644 300692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm tired < 1339206650 444370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tried < 1339206666 805090 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tyre you are glue. Wait what. < 1339206693 209134 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I /do/ hope you get that reference) < 1339206712 222332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339206730 869950 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1339206753 742063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the computer game called "Potion of Confusing" in MegaZeux? < 1339206757 128049 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-153.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339206767 250817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339206844 413859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ if (runes.size() < NUMBER_OF_RUNES_NEEDED) < 1339206848 786583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use this and not runes_in_pack < 1339206849 591436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1339206881 470755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1339206887 103251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, still makes no sense < 1339207532 110252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go into the various doors to find the nice purple keys. You can open the door toward the west if you have enough keys. Hold second one as you hold a pencil. There are some gibbering mouther to the west locked up in the room behind the door. It is good idea if you can save them, please. Also, some of them like the potion of confusing as well, so it would be nice if you can give that to them too. < 1339207582 369842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also like to speak in confusing way and to eat your blood a bit too so you should learn that too, please. If you have any more potion of confusing remains, then you should quaff a potion of confusing too if you like to do so. Good luck, and goodbye! < 1339207656 212862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can save at any time, and can create multiple save files; it might be good idea to do so. However, you can always abandon the level you are on, and try it again later (it will restart if you have not completed it). Every time you exit a level (whether you win or lose), your stats are reset, so you cannot use ammunition or anything like that from one level in another one. < 1339207668 162816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this game is public domain, so you are free to do as you wish, please. < 1339207690 389510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard: I = identify player R = reset S = sound test Z = clear message row < 1339208253 855737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339208274 188996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, it's yo today < 1339208345 399981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this description of this game? < 1339208376 830939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't recognize that color < 1339208468 626423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be because it isn't one < 1339208609 183635 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339208644 632088 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1339208659 128037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MerlynKorr < 1339208661 911448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MerlynKorr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339208718 180395 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on... < 1339209033 691205 :MerlynKorr!~scott@adsl-99-111-157-198.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1339209045 925956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how you can git blame some removed lines < 1339209051 281980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find out which commit removed a function < 1339209093 338108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :git log -S? < 1339209177 433679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank's < 1339209198 65379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339209200 187920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody actually removed it < 1339209203 202555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how convenient < 1339209347 510121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never was there in the first place? < 1339209355 53793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dun dun dun) < 1339210100 774555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: How can I selectively revert hunks in my current changes? < 1339210108 138817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "git commit -p", but instead it undoes them. < 1339210541 371208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339210546 661876 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Internet is worse than I thought. < 1339210551 608364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCP drops. < 1339210554 85098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP doesn't. < 1339210561 623029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, you have to *work* to do that. < 1339210702 969820 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-153.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339211067 565013 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1339211088 438322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1339211089 919532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something involving git-rebase? < 1339211107 696048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SPLITTING COMMITS section in git-rebase(1). < 1339211151 895237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they aren't committed yet. < 1339211158 789040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1339211172 476863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like git-add -p, then. < 1339211177 747169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or git commit -p < 1339211282 250391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you're talking about adding, not committing. < 1339211288 723460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, git-add --interactive? < 1339211344 865918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just, like, lookin' at man pages here, man. < 1339211380 320300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks like git-add --interactive's [r]evert will do what you want. < 1339211508 279852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1339211509 794027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankxxe. < 1339211731 521313 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i've found many connections where Mosh works, whereas IRC/ssh can't achieve a connection < 1339211749 657385 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the amount of packet loss you need to make TCP completely unusable is < 100% < 1339211812 141113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only takes 99.999...%! < 1339211815 717406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Worst Internet Argument. < 1339211946 228913 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339211956 891439 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else believed 0.99999… = 1? < 1339212038 4220 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Actually, it's weird: for a second or two I get 100% packet drop, and then my TCP connections are dropped. < 1339212053 693477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :While UDP keeps going. < 1339212154 533013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this a "make other people self-Godwin" trick? < 1339212302 287038 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ohh < 1339212303 940547 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd* < 1339212310 699088 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the TCP flow control rules memorized < 1339212317 460085 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should take more than a few seconds to drop a TCP connection < 1339212626 64706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there even a 'b' at the end of that "herb"? < 1339212644 782197 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm suspecting it's broken equipment somewhere on my link. < 1339212655 368230 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It should take *quite a while* for TCP to drop. < 1339212669 374828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes a mere fit of stupid in a NAT to drop TCP. < 1339212798 611491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1339212989 104485 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1339212992 428933 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you look at the packets < 1339213040 534260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I wish strace could do that. :-( < 1339213062 718375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you straced User-Mode Linux. < 1339213240 213659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the packets, they do nothing! < 1339213386 166398 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339213388 634430 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-181.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1339213392 418782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey urbandictionary, who are you calling sub-human < 1339213463 439145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339213571 761072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20goggles!%20They%20do%20nothing! < 1339213596 839540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attractive Girl: "You're so right, I'll have sex with YOU now instead of that loser." < 1339214153 198651 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-66.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339214298 968064 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-224-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339214719 733951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my ideas relating to typeclasses in Ibtlfmm, and local instances, then implicit parameters are the same thing and therefore do not need an extension like GHC's -XImplicitParams. You can simply do: sort :: a. (method cmp :: a -> a -> Bool) => [a] -> [a] So an implicit parameter is the same as a class method. < 1339215692 362349 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339216074 441878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339216096 966886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-138-66.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339216102 337447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1339216324 999430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10956419/why-isnt-every-type-part-of-eq-in-haskell < 1339217700 689715 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339217802 827270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339217967 406137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221592 378540 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221592 791045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339221592 950764 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339221750 418820 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339221903 963708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sucks seeds < 1339222198 655524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Hawking's "Reality is not a quality you can test with litmus paper." < 1339222295 830580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I agree with some of Penrose's ideas as well. < 1339222316 725072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I agree my own ideas instead, based on the mathematics and on what else I read and try to think about for myself < 1339222611 119971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion the proper theory must not only involve quantum mechanics but also general relativity, and that spacetime must be considered together rather than separated and relative rather than absolute. < 1339222664 181444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider my own interpretation: causality-breaking physics. < 1339222688 539525 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-248-59.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339222694 325304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1339222696 284943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the true reality is that of mathematics. < 1339222728 88101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are cases in mathematics where more than one answer is possible; for example, a square root of 9 can be positive 3 or negative 3. < 1339222738 421313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So too it may be with the universe. < 1339222826 995185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the mathematics says one thing that people say is extremely crazy and impossible, but it is mathematically correct, then even if you don't believe it, I must believe it unless the experiment refutes it. < 1339222859 975680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of quantum interpretation did you like????? < 1339222869 968304 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339222880 758247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339222897 890612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of quantum interpretation did you like????? < 1339222903 546383 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1339222910 935990 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many-worlds < 1339222942 236228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I have uploaded the version of prelude-generalize tell me if you have a documentation I will add it on, if you want to reorder the exports that is OK too < 1339222954 601682 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm working on that < 1339222970 200321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Read the log what I wrote what my opinion is of quantum interpretation see if you agree/disagree/partial/neutral. < 1339223049 214699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems... compatible with most interpretations of quantum physics < 1339223173 676290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really knowing much about quantum mechanics, general relativity, or physics in general < 1339223228 236707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you prefer quantum decoherence or collapse postulate? < 1339223237 647057 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quantum/macroscopic/ < 1339223322 526822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just see what fits better with experiments, if any. < 1339223396 946852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :both equally well < 1339223408 888333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have an opinion? < 1339223433 472074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, can you explain them to me? < 1339223445 43667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what "collapse postulate" means, although I know some things about wave function collapse. < 1339223460 529487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikipedia article for "collapse postulate" redirects to "wave function collapse". < 1339223501 634241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, it isn't something I have thought of much, although maybe I should < 1339223630 31935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think wave function collapse is simply the way to find the subset of the wave function which is considered to be measured. < 1339223637 141800 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: macroscopic decoherence is many-worlds. it just says that the wavefunction never really collapses into a particular subset of decohered states. advantages are: it doesn't involve collapse (acausal, undifferentiable, nonlocal, unexplainable phenomenon that it is) disadvantages are: Born probabilities < 1339223720 166551 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: collapse is the old-fashioned one. it says that the universe abandons a set of decoherent possible states at the point where they become "too large"...instantly and exactly as the Born probabilities would dictate (though it doesnt say why) < 1339223754 824726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, I am saying that wavefunction collapse is an emergent phenomenon. < 1339223765 652095 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're Born probabilities? < 1339223847 274761 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by "emergent" do you mean "magical"? < 1339223902 537032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the probability that a particular decohered amplitude distribution is the one in which we will find ourselves is equal to the square of the amplitude it contains < 1339223920 848445 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339223970 660866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, I mean emergent from the way the fundamental mathematics would be applied. < 1339224021 234925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: these days "emergent" is tossed around to mean "it just kinda happens when other stuff happens, but i'm not going to speculate on the details" < 1339224040 121878 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, it is used in the place of an explanation rather than as a part of one < 1339224131 835556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be causality loops, and causality breaking, as I have written above. So causality breaking might place restrictions on the mathematics, and well as observation, so what you observe (including consciousness and so on, although this too is emergent) will be what agrees with the observer's state. < 1339224166 279930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Division by zero is not allowed, and this already makes some things emerge in physics, so it can do other things too. < 1339224219 338080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what you observe will be what agrees with your state" sounds an awful lot like a belief in macroscopic decoherence, while "there may be causality breaking" sounds like a belief in collapse < 1339224230 815989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are confused and should read more on the subject < 1339224285 756210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes perhaps I am a bit confused. I have read some books and some Wikipedia too, and I try to work the mathematics on paper and on computer too. < 1339224549 700592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my opinion, quantum states which are not part of the current point of view may be entangled with ones that are, for possible entanglement across multiverse. Note that I mean the multiverse that is related; not the Ultimate Multiverse. < 1339224604 185251 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339224871 973468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'd be careful or Marvel may sue you. < 1339224985 138447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Ultimate Multiverse I mean what Brian Greene wrote about where everything that is mathematically correct is mathematically exist as some kind of universe. < 1339225025 59391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it is restricted to computable mathematical formulae, but I disagree with this; it should be everything whether computable or not.) < 1339225214 727094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reality" cannot possibly be more than what you define it to be; otherwise it is nothing. < 1339225279 914439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot call something an objective reality in these kind of physics; you just say the mathematics is this and that and so on, and the experiment will be like this and that and so on. < 1339225339 823011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambiguity should be OK, as long as it is mathematically meaningful. < 1339225450 337693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a mathematics tell you the probability of something is greater than 1, then that would mean is more likely than being definitely, and that seems impossible, but if mathematics tell you the answer is such a thing, how do you know that there is no such things as more likely than being definitely? < 1339226363 511106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When discussing all these things about interpretation of physics, they cannot always involve science and sometimes they involve philosophy instead, but they also involve mathematics, too. < 1339226455 986535 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If mathematics tells you that the probability of something is more than 1, you should check your calculations... < 1339226483 725729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Well, yes, one possibility is that you have miscalculated, so you should check. < 1339226507 51397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is the only possibility in that case < 1339226513 890434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you have some strange ideas < 1339226533 600027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know my ideas are strange < 1339226677 482500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a probability really is greater than 1, you still use the same rules of probability as otherwise, so if probability of one thing is 2 and another independent thing is 1/2 you can multiply for the probablility of both happening must be 1 so it must happen for sure. I do not know if this is possible but if it is possible then I would think it must work like this < 1339226710 968284 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1339226802 37598 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probabilities must be in (0,1) in the real world. just like infinity doesn't actually exist in the real world. < 1339226903 82302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: O, now you are talking about the "real world" again; but reality is not a quality that can be measured by litmus paper. < 1339227236 878640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do not agree that a probability can be 2 (I am not quite sure either), would you agree that if it is possible, then you would still multiply them like I described? < 1339227283 442379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a mathematical proof that it is impossible but I don't know of any. < 1339227798 723466 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339227801 891144 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339227850 269508 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A probability greater than 1 is a bit silly < 1339227860 852834 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the same rules still apply, you can make anything as probable as you want < 1339227873 591910 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just repeatedly do the thing that has a probability >1 < 1339227880 343544 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the improbable thing < 1339227886 123674 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*0.00001 < 1339227901 179688 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Needs more 2^n but you get the point) < 1339227945 345477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do that there needs to be seven independent events having a probability of 2 < 1339227979 235273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what you are saying, though. < 1339227989 172164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still I am unsure, due to a few reasons. < 1339228119 784836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In future once result is known, the probability from that point changes. It may lead to paradoxes such as the probability becoming less once the first event is known to occur, but this does not seem to be truly a mathematical contradiction. < 1339228189 340641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is from the point of view; it doesn't necessarily have to do specifically with space and/or time. < 1339228199 928903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply has to do with known/unknown. < 1339228247 677301 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf have you been smoking < 1339228334 19784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there may be things which can only be known together or which it is impossible to know two things at once, and other ways where the probability gets used, rather than in the way which is most familiar. < 1339228339 921534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I don't smoke. < 1339228856 260025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have the even-more-dubious honour of having my code removed from Uncyclopedia < 1339228888 495670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take that, Gregor < 1339229042 128532 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ADVENTURE TIME < 1339229631 921308 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never thought I'd see zzo38 discussing philosophy. Not sure why. < 1339230219 941488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think of philosophy a lot. < 1339230262 309312 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339230263 586539 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339230288 408321 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone tell me if there exists an IM client with a text-based interface and Skype combatability? < 1339230295 567802 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compatibility < 1339230407 935915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of any. < 1339230678 139165 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339231160 256701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my Yahoo! account getting spam in Persian? < 1339231199 753484 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is it acceptable if you have to have the graphical client running /somewhere/, but can use the text client for all other purposes? Because the libpurple plugin uses the proprietary client's API. < 1339231229 487451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible < 1339231865 366060 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339231989 270634 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1339232242 661460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know, if you like the description of the computer game "Potion of Confusing" which I have written above? It is the text which appears in the game. < 1339233571 620370 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339233686 643152 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339234393 389773 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339234658 194472 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339236024 458686 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339236329 821091 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339236655 366914 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339237043 664388 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339237049 372086 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339237310 62458 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239227 569323 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339239235 49547 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239235 411929 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339239235 571908 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339239425 391589 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339239708 4203 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339239727 686371 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339241446 912617 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339242541 577190 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339242599 632820 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm. I thing I managed to mess something up: < 1339242611 776648 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oonbotti MODE oonbotti :+i < 1339242611 952700 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG oonbotti :I see. And what does that tell you? < 1339242612 113542 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Excess Flood < 1339242612 113737 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG oonbotti :How do you feel when you say that? < 1339242612 113844 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR :Closing Link: a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi (Excess Flood) < 1339242614 130186 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG RROR :Can you elaborate on that? < 1339242677 804230 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1339242982 200298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, clearly it is failing < 1339243480 301840 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243803 466706 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243939 38593 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339243989 96067 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it answers you if you contact it by /msg oonbotti message < 1339244011 407529 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still execute commands with /msg oonbotti command < 1339244111 407796 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339244146 696729 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339244342 632355 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I've now seen three photos of Shamus Young, and in none of them does he look like he does in any of the others. < 1339244378 78947 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one's Shamus Young again? < 1339244391 239539 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM of the Rings guy. < 1339244395 762344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1339244410 53750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also several other things, like former ActiveWorlds dev. < 1339244438 183475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-69-96.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1339245864 704707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any MML -> MOD/S3M/IT/XM? < 1339245906 589250 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339245911 22832 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339245981 31075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339246003 18410 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I think of something else to obfuscate? < 1339246022 304537 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think I can < 1339246078 306214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write music for a computer game I make? < 1339246085 147084 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1339246090 782021 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1339246092 404227 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no musical talent whatsoever < 1339246137 42408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Gregor knows? < 1339246156 497150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps madbrr knows? < 1339246620 90340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Do you play Pokemon Card? < 1339247188 351641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, used to collect them < 1339247206 793181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really got far < 1339247227 183462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't collect any cards, but I sometimes play the game < 1339247316 993473 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339247317 178343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339247370 496359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What rules would you prefer to adjust in Magic: the Gathering? < 1339247378 619643 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never played it < 1339247397 932952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only custom-deck card game I've actually played is Sopio < 1339247493 642944 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339247677 560254 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is really fun! < 1339247678 647618 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339247940 908216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339247950 308952 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339248154 483172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the rule that a aura which is also a creature is discarded; I dislike the rule that a token ceasing to exist as a state-based effect (in my opinion it should instead be based on initial states of objects); I think being unable to draw a card should be an immediate loss (rather than state-based effect); I think many of the rules are klugy < 1339248461 773518 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be nice, having tasked based subsets of your Application menu in xfce. Like you select which group of programs to show launch icons for directly in your task bar < 1339248478 203089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, one group for C coding, another for photo editing work and so on < 1339248506 963585 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I were to have all the icons there all the time, it would take up too much space < 1339248577 252745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be even more useful under windows, since under linux it is fairly easy to start programs from the shell instead < 1339248680 77940 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339248689 691518 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1339248726 293725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: OK < 1339248774 935582 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK what? < 1339248864 222263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339248869 340426 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339248870 410533 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1339248913 887116 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1339249202 526893 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was testing Cathode < 1339249505 398891 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339249943 441688 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, Cathode? < 1339250291 548652 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339250291 746491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339250477 637592 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339250486 325755 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339250558 402245 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1339250558 586086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1339250939 425718 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda bored < 1339251246 347093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do something < 1339251251 37335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read book < 1339251257 438725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just finished a book < 1339251262 728811 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have so many to choose from < 1339251265 402623 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, read another book? < 1339251266 705755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a book < 1339251283 658623 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: have you read 1984? If you haven't read it < 1339251286 921596 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, use a RNG to decide which book to read next < 1339251290 367918 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+then < 1339251303 231200 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, don't own a copy < 1339251305 176242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, or go read tvtropes < 1339251315 570087 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm avoiding TVTropes < 1339251326 815554 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, why? < 1339251333 595050 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are bored you have some spare time < 1339251335 637368 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just do it < 1339251338 171662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to do other things this evening < 1339251346 406180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play Super ASCII MZX Town < 1339251355 393190 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: borrow it from library. or if you live in australi or canada download it as it is under public domain there < 1339251363 788446 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339251372 291688 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local library is closed < 1339251379 167305 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm an Australian citizen... < 1339251379 611738 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, how can it already be under public domain there? < 1339251407 149129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 50 years after death of author (1950)=2000 < 1339251408 449451 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I hope you have an ebook reader then, reading long texts on a normal monitor is horrible < 1339251412 272807 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah < 1339251786 276461 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have still to wait 8 years before it will be under public domain here < 1339251795 448402 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still have < 1339251818 270685 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, where is "here"? < 1339251826 107589 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland < 1339251828 844382 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1339252082 823150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339252098 71951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi < 1339252102 902001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339252103 89983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1339252107 312772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1339252112 481022 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular chap < 1339252118 914565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339252119 962951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so < 1339252128 170330 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1339252139 463181 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is coming from someone who had over 1800 friends on facebook < 1339252184 365560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to play Super ASCII MZX Town, perhaps. < 1339252735 910711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @DanielWagner: that's right I meant functions without parameters (variables?): a against a -> b for example. – L01man 4 hours ago < 1339253363 165343 :oklopol!oklopol@62-241-225-233.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I would like to know, if you like the description of the computer game "Potion of Confusing" which I have written above? It is the text which appears in the game." <<< you mean that whole thing about maths and probabilities over 1? < 1339253447 438470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No! < 1339253450 407932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the other one < 1339253460 799434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above that; search log perhaps < 1339253918 234911 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1339254284 904114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're no good at this oklopol < 1339254358 726319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a week of free time and decent programming experience. Give me everything you've got on Haskell. (self.haskell) < 1339254362 515607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahhhhh go away < 1339254371 832765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you at the top of /r/haskell < 1339254389 43666 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god. I started reading tvtropes half an hour ago and I can't stop < 1339254456 414485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you can never stop < 1339254461 321402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best you can take a break, but you will be back < 1339254546 752567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what works is realising it's boring and closing the tabs < 1339254551 557848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1339254568 37240 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no tabs < 1339254573 517677 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=pNuUNHlsPgI < 1339254575 922463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have two problems < 1339254590 28764 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1339254667 682298 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...and points out that needlessly killing other students is not the best way to go about things." < 1339254671 45024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is the weather doing < 1339254677 138649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rain < 1339254681 981313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: help < 1339254694 951737 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you outside? < 1339254698 408392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339254705 951853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your roof leaking? < 1339254707 429445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's REALLY FUCKING SPOOKY that I can ask Taneb what the weather is and he'll have the same answer is me < 1339254710 207373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels telepathic < 1339254894 706291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's too much rain we'll run out ofrain < 1339254903 368203 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will stop raining < 1339254915 276623 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was raining when I joined this channel, I believe < 1339254933 981970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not observe the weather when I joined this channel < 1339254969 473864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it is raining < 1339255011 641818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was raining more a few seconds ago < 1339255181 20749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how much did you bumble hundle pay < 1339255187 912535 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT YET < 1339255206 462646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creis < 1339255208 933311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ys < 1339255217 310799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys? < 1339255223 532289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :creys < 1339255230 970532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how much WILL you pay < 1339255235 161675 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$10 ! < 1339255262 353884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ha! That's below the Linux user average! < 1339255264 657811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're terrible. < 1339255277 412638 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm gonna pretend to be a Windows user < 1339255299 752558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pay less than $15, fizzie and whoever else it was will look down on you. < 1339255301 603878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also me. < 1339255304 396188 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORT EH GRATER GOOD < 1339255305 965687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT & SHAMING < 1339255405 606222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRING IT ON < 1339255409 600834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255410 376226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255411 300776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255412 80783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255413 646649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255415 590533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255417 346668 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first tell me which I should download first < 1339255417 592045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUILT < 1339255419 593149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAME < 1339255448 759964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion or Psychonauts I guess? < 1339255457 970762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd watch you play Amnesia. < 1339255472 558307 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already bought it twice; computer isn't good enough to play it < 1339255481 876996 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1339255493 223214 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the second time I bought it with Steam < 1339255495 275875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not play Amensia yourself? < 1339255501 936808 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So future me with a better computer can play it < 1339255502 96415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Obvious reasons. < 1339255514 471918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would watch you play Amensia if you had a face cam in the video :P < 1339255556 256477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :These games are too big. :( < 1339255565 494654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts is a whole four gigabytes. < 1339255567 799709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway Bastion is by far the best game in the bundle. And that is because Psychonauts has some control and interface issues from being ported from consoles < 1339255570 364038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it late at night in the summer < 1339255575 228474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take, like, MINUTES to download. < 1339255585 755723 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, took me half an hour :/ < 1339255594 870892 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HUNGER < 1339255595 844400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably take me an hour or two, at the least. < 1339255596 346148 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1339255607 301983 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1339255613 612366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection is slow. < 1339255614 527737 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you had faster internet < 1339255619 768944 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 8 mbit/s here < 1339255625 706203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here. < 1339255631 655359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might have been a bit more than half an hour actually < 1339255637 707603 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hour perhaps? < 1339255644 393766 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was maxing out my connection though < 1339255664 262425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use the BitTorrent downloads but my connection can't seed. < 1339255669 950258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I've tried forcing encryption and different ports.) < 1339255674 687852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, the port is forwarded.) < 1339255679 387083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what my ISP is doing.) < 1339255679 861660 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh why can't it seed then? < 1339255685 467499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339255693 561366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my upstream isn't very good. But I'm assuming it's *some* kind of filtering. < 1339255696 239202 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, checked the computer firewall as well? < 1339255705 365822 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ufw under ubuntu or whatever < 1339255707 579502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Other connections in work fine. < 1339255711 929505 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339255712 935058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is with Arch and OS X. < 1339255713 692342 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea then < 1339255732 374108 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339255744 944210 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right IP reported to tracker? < 1339255759 291632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not. < 1339255761 534782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How plot-driven is LIMBO? < 1339255766 442981 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some issues with some torrent client (µtorrent iirc?) reporting the internal IP instead < 1339255767 784818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to play Psychonauts or Bastion right now. < 1339255781 142732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, LIMBO is scary. Not quite Amnesia level < 1339255781 647061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've tried Transmission and rtorrent. < 1339255782 948764 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1339255800 332048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not scared of anything. Apart from lots of things. :( < 1339255803 599835 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ktorrent worked well for me under linux < 1339255820 735758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very pretty, from the trailer. < 1339255822 597429 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not go for sword and sworcery < 1339255826 277434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked funky < 1339255835 549875 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't played it yet. Though I did download it < 1339255847 433518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that not plot driven? The pretension of putting "EP" in the title of a game blinded me to the possibility that it might not be. < 1339255853 916760 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would say all the games in the original bundle had exceptional art styles. < 1339255870 45883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP delivers a completely fresh adventure gaming experience, defying conventions to develop a unique kind of storytelling." < 1339255874 459295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The plot is unveiled in "sessions," [...]" etc. < 1339255905 315736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has a funky main menu with a spnning LP. If you grab it with the cursor the music stops < 1339255910 311462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why < 1339255913 112481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1339255956 974897 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could play Braid too if you haven't already. Very fun, though quite pretentious. < 1339255968 74448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1339255972 604605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a simple exercise to get me acquainted with Haskell, after idling around on Youtube and stumbling into the American Countdown game show, I wanted to make a solver for the Numbers game." < 1339255974 920081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :American?! < 1339255976 69611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERICAN?! < 1339255977 688019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU < 1339255985 496690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: We have someone to kill. < 1339255989 787757 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I would strongly recommend playing Bastion. It is utterly awesome. < 1339255995 34424 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whom? < 1339256001 30271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will play Bastion. Just not right now. < 1339256010 528361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my Mac will handle it well enough. < 1339256015 426172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: The person who asked this question. < 1339256019 376427 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1339256021 139297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They called Countdown American. < 1339256024 423247 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a statement < 1339256024 879398 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, check the system requirements? < 1339256027 726541 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-22.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1339256027 886022 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1339256032 491479 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BASTARDS < 1339256042 111969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learnt my alphabet from Countdown! < 1339256049 182546 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me years to get the order < 1339256058 983338 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I /still/ suck at anagrams < 1339256064 151640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consonant, vowel, consonant, another consonant, vowel... < 1339256064 311462 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway super meat boy while it has a story it is just really a cut scene at the start and at the end of each world < 1339256067 383030 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I learnt my alphabet from Countdown! < 1339256068 813882 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could play that < 1339256082 959302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering SMB. But I think I don't need to be more frustrated than I am. < 1339256091 547261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, looks like I meet the minimum sysreqs for Bastion. < 1339256100 115769 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh come on it is a fun game! < 1339256112 408381 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend using a pad though < 1339256126 779661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, SMB has steep processor requirements for Mac. < 1339256126 939503 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't have one, but I tried playing it with a pad at a friends house, much easier!) < 1339256129 696876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 Ghz" < 1339256155 858055 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is more than my laptop (2.26 GHz) < 1339256161 771099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.13 here. < 1339256168 146046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll probably work fine. I hope. < 1339256169 433174 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :way less than my desktop (core i7 3.4 GHz) < 1339256178 12715 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1339256186 151522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah if you don't have a pad, SMB will be frustrating < 1339256200 640817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS3 controllers work on computers, right? < 1339256201 72249 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual core 2x2.1GHz < 1339256204 135144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll purchase myself one. < 1339256231 229509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc xbox controllers work on computers as well < 1339256231 666150 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a wired XBox controller somewhere < 1339256236 702522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1339256245 752963 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you need a bluetooth adaptor for wireless ones < 1339256247 528320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't like the look of the Xbox controller much. < 1339256251 91313 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah < 1339256261 947193 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not? < 1339256265 517422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I find the DualShock design close to optimal. < 1339256278 514295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox 360 one is more curvy, which seems like it'd be harder to grip. < 1339256286 587104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the d-pad looks not as good. < 1339256291 593858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't ever actually used one, so YMMV. < 1339256293 265279 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the feel of the XBox 360 < 1339256310 330867 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've never used a PS3 one and haven't used a PS2 one for YEARS < 1339256314 872945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I do wish the left analogue stick and d-pad were swapped on the DualShock. < 1339256340 682554 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wii Classic Controller is pretty awful < 1339256416 486782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should probably eat. < 1339256430 770049 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is generally a good idea < 1339256432 622644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay < 1339256447 477551 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1.1GB of Bastion downloaded < 1339256449 561018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Admittedly, I haven't played on a PS3. < 1339256459 57958 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1339256460 924569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I've played on a PS2. < 1339256465 456348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the DualShock 3 looks basically the same. < 1339256465 842013 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played much on either < 1339256479 953150 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not the N64 controller < 1339256485 597767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's been years. But I liked the controller. < 1339256487 819618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what a crazy design) < 1339256498 332105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have three hands. < 1339256502 940789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1339256516 774690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GameCube controller is weird too. < 1339256522 886176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I stole that third-hand joke: < 1339256525 112613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote third hand < 1339256525 600114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1339256528 467770 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :607) I prefer the N64 controller, it's the only one that has place for my third hand. < 1339256529 385583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/gamecube-controller.jpg) < 1339256564 287103 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah quite strange < 1339256573 173401 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNES controller was good though < 1339256582 228559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1339256586 506553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of grips isn't ideal. < 1339256587 371441 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1339256590 806086 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339256594 97428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handles. Whatever you call them. < 1339256598 450946 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339256599 43798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it has minimalist appeal, though. < 1339256622 517216 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then surely the NES one is even better < 1339256632 207918 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about that strange one earlier that had a keypads < 1339256634 486984 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :keypad* < 1339256635 800551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's uglier :P < 1339256653 563416 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember which system it was on < 1339256655 954629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nesprojects.com/Images/Original/NES%20TV%20Remote.jpg I... see. < 1339256733 277088 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339256741 415292 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also horrible lag atm due to swap trashing < 1339256742 857483 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1339256783 63876 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have swap trashing? how big is you RAM? < 1339256799 115594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GB on this laptop. But I'm running an upgrade of an OS in qemu < 1339256820 521395 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(windows xp 64-bit) < 1339257550 469858 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339257779 418328 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339257791 272655 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon Bastion'd be easier with a mouse < 1339257811 756418 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, stuff < 1339257812 705326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339257900 312008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes obviously < 1339257944 682228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi" < 1339257967 551682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, does Bastion use the mouse? < 1339257978 412942 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!jousturl ../report.c < 1339257988 562199 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it was originally an xbox live arcade game. So it works on controller too < 1339257990 964456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no < 1339257997 722888 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the command < 1339257998 953974 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it works well with wasd and mouse for aiming < 1339258004 253903 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and shooting) < 1339258021 653867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll get a gamepad, then. < 1339258027 465403 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1339258033 371109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it works very well with a mouse < 1339258042 444189 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier to aim even < 1339258045 432599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a mouse connected to a working computer. < 1339258047 244540 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: get the link to report.c to appear :P < 1339258051 793881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1339258052 336999 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1339258053 597318 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339258054 292845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`joustreport < 1339258056 531426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1339258065 759042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as report.c it's not anywhere in there < 1339258066 565025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mouse a mouse from a non-working computer to a working one? < 1339258068 243288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the hg repo < 1339258076 649743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mouse a mouse :P < 1339258081 731246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :move* < 1339258084 575957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have nowhere to put this mac that would support a mouse < 1339258086 770498 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah funny typo < 1339258090 652224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lap-based mousing sounds awkward < 1339258099 324183 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm yeah it does < 1339258112 262605 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what sort of input device does it currently have? < 1339258141 628541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touchpad. < 1339258152 460020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... played Minecraft with it. < 1339258162 71261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I did most of the Cube work with it. < 1339258163 65990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... < 1339258167 465469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't the most convenient thing. < 1339258180 197523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: https://bitbucket.org/GregorR < 1339258186 945528 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway psychonauts uses the mouse to look as well < 1339258188 144913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he hasn't imported it yet < 1339258190 196295 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasd to move < 1339258253 14568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh. cant hg here. i'll do it later. < 1339258272 184734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You realise bitbucket lets you download the files without hg, right? But it's not there, anyway. < 1339258289 247192 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think bastion would work well with a trackpoint too < 1339258291 356155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have one < 1339258300 279238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't. < 1339258306 577598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1339258318 727209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/ffe171208ae9/multibot_cmds/interps/bfjoust/report.c < 1339258320 462812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome. < 1339258324 422305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :iei < 1339258366 553337 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sword and sworcery seems to be kind of like a point and click, but it has actual fighting mechanics and what not < 1339258369 85246 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1339258399 163326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monkey Island has fighting mechanics too :P < 1339258403 805511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just happen to be trivial. < 1339258407 948787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean sword and shield stuff < 1339258413 106736 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are fairly trivial here too < 1339258425 114793 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is attack and block, but there is an element of timing < 1339258426 580581 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh cant see why my code wouldnt work then. weirds. < 1339258445 66176 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also a chase scene early on. That is unusual < 1339258458 217932 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a point and click I mean < 1339258476 44534 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :great sound track though < 1339258499 547268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but yeah play amnesia :P < 1339258546 761326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1339258578 48040 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the OST is named "Sword & Sworcery: The Ballad of the Space Babies" according to the cover.jpg included in the zip < 1339258581 137358 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1339258586 311257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name < 1339258597 476963 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite. The track titles are just as strange < 1339258672 144102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Prettiest Weed, Ode To A Room, Bones McCoy, Little Furnace, Activating Trigons, How We Get Old, And We Got Older are some of the stranger titles < 1339258687 708411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we get old???? < 1339258689 235008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1339258755 59467 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good music though < 1339258758 958558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodgort: trigons < 1339258763 612359 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1339258770 921345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thats in the humblemusic bundle 3? < 1339258781 463680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rodgort/elliott/ < 1339258785 991993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, eh? < 1339258803 685137 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, sound track for one of the games in the humble bundle 5 < 1339258804 442898 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where didst get s&s ost < 1339258805 135638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: The Humble Bundle comes with soundtracks now. < 1339258808 117658 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339258809 821955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1339258813 565589 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the humble music bundle? < 1339258816 680834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should download that < 1339258819 20162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bundle of humble music < 1339258822 522251 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1339258825 711568 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1339258839 550032 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bastion has one of the best sound tracks ever < 1339258842 512264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually afaik there is no actual such thing < 1339258849 123026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is < 1339258849 282864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is an indie game music bundle 3 < 1339258853 266928 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1339258856 421056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "humble" does not appear in its name < 1339258862 454684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesnt < 1339258865 602042 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difference < 1339258903 448326 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychonauts sound track is a bit hectic, works well in the game though. Not quite as nice when you listen to it separately < 1339258958 468732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, one of the iMUSE guys did the Psychonauts soundtrack. < 1339258960 512348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not surprising. < 1339258971 489879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he also did Grim Fandango. < 1339258975 393932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Have you played Grim Fandango? < 1339258984 683495 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1339259001 180716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, don't. The controls are the most unbearable thing in the universe. But apart from that it's brilliant. < 1339259009 557561 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339259020 480177 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it like that horrible 3D monkey island? < 1339259021 310961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a 3D point-and-click adventure game where you have to use the keyboard to move around and click things.) < 1339259022 614755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1339259024 827605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same interface. < 1339259027 145595 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339259039 120435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same engine. < 1339259042 812971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1339259049 448166 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I doubt scummvm runs it < 1339259053 348401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OTOH, unlike the Monkey Island 4, which is a terrible game, it's a really good game instead. < 1339259058 346953 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1339259062 674032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a subproject to run games with the GrimE engine. < 1339259065 160851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how far along it is. < 1339259071 943681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php/ResidualVM < 1339259075 390922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.residualvm.org/ < 1339259082 494959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have reached a rather important milestone for ResidualVM, we are gearing up for our first release, which will support Grim Fandango. To make sure that we don't have any big showstoppers, we need your help." < 1339259092 459420 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know they released MI1 and MI2 with new graphics as special edition some time ago? < 1339259094 439186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But probably it's easier to just use Wine or something.) < 1339259096 310263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1339259114 506738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy they did it, but I didn't buy it, because I'm happy with the originals and in any case probably won't replay them any time soon. < 1339259116 129787 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw a bit of an LP of MI2 SE, looked nice, and had some quite nice voice acting < 1339259125 692465 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of surprised they spent so much work on it < 1339259129 409144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did finish MI2. :( < 1339259135 791119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished all three < 1339259142 804165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the final "boss fight" but never managed to defeat LeChuck. < 1339259147 831484 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also MI3 is my favourite. < 1339259156 441356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because I kept freaking out because of the time constraints and then jumping when he appeared. < 1339259176 271343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I love the pirate song in MI3 < 1339259179 483822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like CMI too, but come on, Gilbert wasn't even involved! < 1339259185 308386 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMI? < 1339259188 414215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1339259188 946536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse of Monkey Island. < 1339259189 838297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :MI3 < 1339259189 998265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third one. < 1339259192 710704 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339259197 530296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's the one I have strongest memories of. < 1339259204 544303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think MI2 is probably the slightly better game. < 1339259209 336995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the pirate song is awesome < 1339259217 52927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked that one. < 1339259219 403069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played MI1 on an Atari ST! < 1339259222 229298 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the puzzles of MI1 < 1339259224 774168 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wer efun < 1339259228 484217 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :were fun* < 1339259236 117120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was... uh... fun, I guess. < 1339259236 276781 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too easy though < 1339259244 731854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know the original MI1 release had an even more complicated interface? < 1339259249 965599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold: < 1339259256 122817 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the chicken with pulley though < 1339259259 309017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.photobucket.com/image/monkey%20island%201/ATMachine/mimisc1/mi1egafac17.png < 1339259268 239296 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't launch a browse atm due to swap trashing < 1339259274 693545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe wget and eog? < 1339259278 47736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct link is http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ATMachine/mimisc1/mi1egafac17.png < 1339259281 23703 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1339259305 111075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between "Turn on" and "Use" is, like, paramount, man. < 1339259316 287651 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for eog to load XD < 1339259327 738559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, do you mean "thrashing"?) < 1339259342 16920 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah typo < 1339259369 799373 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah that is a silly interface < 1339259396 269622 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the radial menu in the special editions and CMI is far better if you need to both push and pull something < 1339259397 205514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMI's interface is very good. < 1339259400 646387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO. < 1339259403 585179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1339259415 918838 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of interface in the special editions < 1339259425 206877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suspect that it's a little bit more complicated than it needs to be. < 1339259439 208109 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like the special edition graphics style far better than the CMI graphics style < 1339259441 10595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "use" vs. "talk to" distinction isn't really ever useful and is only funny to misuse ~three times. < 1339259461 122445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I love CMI's style. < 1339259474 608989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very... vivid. < 1339259494 48309 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit too strong lines in it. < 1339259500 9591 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cartoony < 1339259539 279533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know Crawl has a Monkey Island reference??? < 1339259543 857079 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339259548 323926 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the reference? < 1339259566 833219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the battle mechanics in CMI are better than in MI1, due to the rhyming < 1339259708 97339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a demonic skull called Murray in hell. < 1339259723 493364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1339260808 612058 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339260830 93852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games are intrinsically monoidal < 1339260831 209411 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339260842 434849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339260850 90860 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semigroupal, at least < 1339260858 213975 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a word?) < 1339260918 406955 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider < 1339260919 690972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1339260929 444370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplification of Snakes and Ladders < 1339260948 71703 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or snakes and ladders, it doesn't actually need simplifying < 1339260975 662772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A player can choose six moves < 1339260986 78319 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from six < 1339261005 82654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That the move is chosen via a die is irrelevant < 1339261069 865108 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The die can choose from six moves. < 1339261084 271622 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dice games are actually just that, games for dice. < 1339261092 662794 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're just the equipment they use to move the pieces. < 1339261120 286450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also useful tools for explaining my thought < 1339261120 847005 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1339261133 733511 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be a lot more complicated if I chose to explain using Chess < 1339261149 179502 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"5, 3" is a section of a game-log < 1339261158 86019 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "2,5" < 1339261177 232455 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2, 5) <> (3) == 2 <> (5, 3) < 1339261185 84398 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :== "2, 5, 3" < 1339261247 140120 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1339261269 427736 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, this may lead to invalid gamestates < 1339261308 964955 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that doesn't explain drinking games < 1339261325 474725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Method of suicide for drinks. < 1339261331 29231 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1339261336 114432 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more like Russian roulette. < 1339261354 578458 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1339261375 710667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you may be mixing up drinking with drinks < 1339261450 962161 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does "foo = foo; foo + foo;" pass through haskells typechecker? < 1339261453 158245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no < 1339261462 375917 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the "foo + foo" part of it. < 1339261482 57062 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = foo in foo < 1339261482 958130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. t < 1339261493 551712 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: t, yes. < 1339261496 887181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obvious. < 1339261501 154753 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any t < 1339261503 532356 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any t at all < 1339261505 934779 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :bat there is no instance Num for t? < 1339261507 784524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but < 1339261515 855406 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including t's for which Num is defined < 1339261530 349414 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (+) < 1339261531 149965 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = (foo :: Int) in foo < 1339261531 308959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1339261532 70786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int < 1339261558 342572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it knows is that foo is the same type as foo < 1339261565 943155 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be an Int, for all Haskell knows < 1339261583 461139 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let foo = foo in foo == _|_ < 1339261584 327729 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So t is literally "of any type"? < 1339261592 223508 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell may deduce everything out of it? < 1339261596 882864 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339261627 276362 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1339261660 32110 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Principle of explosion < 1339261685 948874 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I get error messages like Could not deduce Num ~ a < 1339261694 567080 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to manually tell ghc that it is Num. < 1339261699 602985 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn I think this USB memory stick is dead. < 1339261710 395239 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's happened to me before < 1339261712 284885 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was surprised that it can deduce Num ~ t in the case of foo = foo < 1339261720 415393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one day I actually did my Latin homework < 1339261721 284435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I didn't have anything important on it, but now I need to find another one to transfer this stuff < 1339261731 548813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Num is not a type. < 1339261734 798242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, all that was on it was a bootable linux distro < 1339261740 964552 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a type class, yes. < 1339261743 666735 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1339261748 306338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that you will never get such an error message. < 1339261755 876297 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you learn latin? < 1339261757 501101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339261758 218842 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1339261763 973980 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than Spanish < 1339261767 686907 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1339261772 743496 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not go for French? < 1339261776 670590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, "Could not deduce T ~ a" is a misleading error message; what it really means is "You used an 'a' where I expected a 'T'"; "Type mismatch: T =/= a but you're treating them the same", and so on. < 1339261787 874057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French was compulsory, I enjoyed latin more < 1339261799 881550 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let foo = foo in replicate foo 'a' < 1339261800 881632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] < 1339261804 334072 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thnk < 1339261805 901365 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo = foo in replicate foo 'a' < 1339261807 770215 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ah I see < 1339261809 611509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339261812 145259 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I think < 1339261821 393474 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Foo a where doStuff :: a -> a -> a < 1339261829 459124 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, here English is compulsory. And I took French as the optional one < 1339261832 954524 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Foo Bar where doStuff q = q + q produces such an error message < 1339261844 410644 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously Swedish is compulsory too < 1339261850 997074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1339261857 69608 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ghc has no chance of knowing that Num a => < 1339261866 367744 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I've escaped English and French < 1339261870 154447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: You will never see the message "Could not deduce Num ~ a", except possibly when using ConstraintKinds. < 1339261876 201102 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how? You live in UK < 1339261881 306107 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't escape English < 1339261882 276964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6th form < 1339261883 944972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may see "Could not deduce Num a" or "Could not deduce Int ~ a", though. < 1339261889 328025 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subject, not the language < 1339261892 831583 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, no clue what that means in Swedish terms < 1339261907 505261 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means I'm old enough to specialize < 1339261911 634673 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT IS TIME TO COOK < 1339261912 756448 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1339262227 252285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339262232 849036 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS TIME TO CHAT < 1339262233 753315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell < 1339262234 293013 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262239 660222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262249 575504 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262256 409262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262334 894331 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1339262342 429014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1339262525 658956 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, alas, nothing is everything < 1339262530 4564 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except fix id < 1339262531 843054 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id < 1339262532 707004 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1339262542 976117 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id + fix id < 1339262543 926167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a < 1339262557 491964 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id >> fix id < 1339262558 518281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => m b < 1339262559 314232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fix can;t id im newr in potins < 1339262570 204425 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id <> fix id < 1339262571 124895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc < 1339262580 150982 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id `mappend` fix id < 1339262581 160823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Monoid a) => a < 1339262587 382287 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix id `mplus` fix id < 1339262588 388718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadPlus m) => m a < 1339262588 921345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++) is mappend in lambdabot < 1339262589 800249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfyi < 1339262593 663889 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (++) < 1339262594 626723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall m. (Monoid m) => m -> m -> m < 1339262597 95522 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1339262611 43827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t replicate (fix id) (fix id) < 1339262611 991950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] < 1339262627 586451 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (sum . replicate 1) < 1339262628 584563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a < 1339262639 717109 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (sum . replicate 1) < 1339262643 431533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339262654 643070 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trivia, this is either 1 or 0) < 1339262668 936577 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or _|_) < 1339262675 521145 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or infinity) < 1339262689 466536 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it isn't, it's any number) < 1339262701 998376 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (head . replicate 1) < 1339262705 713718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1339262711 226114 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 1) < 1339262743 51461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1339262747 383786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix (head . replicate 1) < 1339262755 927685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1339262775 445243 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pushing my gf to learn Haskell likely to make her a better programmer? < 1339262775 890171 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fix < 1339262776 851708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (a -> a) -> a < 1339262780 565498 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She seems to be under that impression < 1339262794 779706 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, better at Haskell programming < 1339262797 20234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After I expressed guilt about not doing much for her after she helped fix up my resume) < 1339262826 96475 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse at C programming, Java programming, Python programming, Go programming, JavaScript programming, C# programming, C++ programming < 1339262849 636806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembly programming, D programming, Lisp programming, Visual Basic programming, PHP programming, ASP programming < 1339262851 866774 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1339262867 629852 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Category theory < 1339262870 72721 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, by spoiling her? < 1339262919 309500 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's pretty damn addictive < 1339262931 710038 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gives false impressions about category theory < 1339263163 360218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339263242 976755 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, now I have no idea what a Functor actually /is/ < 1339263293 206501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 whats a flower < 1339263371 868041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its when you ground up wheat < 1339263372 73205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339263375 510016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1339263375 694995 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 16h 56m 2s ago: elliott: I can confirm that I have no clue what kuskelar the clatsop man is doing < 1339263379 250429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank's < 1339263418 779470 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the what? < 1339263427 467637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bfjoust warrior < 1339263432 435400 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t head . replicate 1 < 1339263433 513374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a -> a < 1339263441 48904 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1339263922 870617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Then learn what a functor is. A functor is homomorphism of a category to another category (possibly the same one, in which case it is endofunctor) < 1339263952 209444 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise I have a very poor idea of most of the words in that sentence? < 1339263962 533006 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to play with modal logic for a bit < 1339263972 650468 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think possibility is a Monad < 1339264027 738489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Well, a monad is endofunctor having two additional operations defined (in Haskell, called return and join) satisfying certain laws. < 1339264036 68372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, elliott, you might know what this is called because we don't: what's it called where you have a family of things that sort-of obey the comonad laws, except that instead of it being the same comonad each time, it's a different member of the family? < 1339264052 254010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't quite understan < 1339264052 756460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1339264055 320552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\nd/d/ < 1339264075 665419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Functor class in Haskell is for endofunctors on (->) category < 1339264087 465031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have laws like "if you have an Mx, you can get an MMx", right? < 1339264102 749387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is "if you have an (M_i)x, you can get an (M_j)(M_k)x" < 1339264121 423200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on with the other comonad laws < 1339264246 356731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1339264249 79775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps an indexed comonad? < 1339264252 177333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed monads look like < 1339264271 556804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) :: (IMonad m) => m i j a -> (a -> m j k b) -> m j k b < 1339264280 75667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a "transition" < 1339264311 589980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339264312 104954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let (>>=) = undefined :: m i j a -> (a -> m j k b) -> m j k b in (>>= id) < 1339264313 141736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> * -> * -> *) i j k b. m i j (m j k b) -> m j k b < 1339264316 800361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have < 1339264325 290258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: m i j (m j k a) -> m j k a < 1339264328 131624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have < 1339264337 677138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: w j k a -> w i j (m j k a) < 1339264338 891628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :returnI :: a -> m x x a; joinI :: m x y (m y z a) -> m x z a; is defining a indexed monad, I think < 1339264339 51159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly < 1339264352 981280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1339264355 885476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something lik ethat anyway < 1339264361 427209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, yes < 1339264363 177311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For indexed comonad you would then have extractI :: w x x a -> a; duplicateI :: w x z a -> w x y (w y z a); < 1339264366 356170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, I got it wrong, zzo38's types are right < 1339264380 516248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, zzo38's types make more sense < 1339264386 562502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like that < 1339264391 728419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work out whether that's what I have or not < 1339264406 259727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of pulling a path closer together like indexed monads, an indexed comonad lets you stretch the path out < 1339264406 932208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1339264409 663475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from x->z to x->y->z < 1339264418 238492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that would be useful for, although it sounds interesting < 1339264425 784646 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1339264427 873088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that some monads and comonads that use a monoid (such as Writer and Traced), the indexed version of them will use a category. < 1339264463 514455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1339264467 104371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? say Writer < 1339264495 445907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it seem obvious to me, but I could explain if wanted. < 1339264509 954386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of dumb :) but let me think < 1339264518 967662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :return :: a -> Writer cat x x a < 1339264534 118674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :join :: Writer cat x y (Writer cat y z a) -> Writer cat x z a < 1339264537 855205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I see < 1339264543 730917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what I've got isn't /quite/ an indexed monad either, it's a quotient of them over something < 1339264550 90743 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :◇(◇x) -> ◇x < 1339264561 636308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, indexed comonad < 1339264562 262339 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x -> ◇x < 1339264570 499491 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, possibility is a Monad < 1339264581 261817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: heh, ours is called ◇ too < 1339264583 866285 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Monads represent possibility? < 1339264587 790369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you need fmap too < 1339264597 47846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (◇a -> ◇b) < 1339264601 56971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you don't have that, although I forget < 1339264603 478799 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fmap is definable using join and return < 1339264606 193415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes you do need fmap too. But in what category would they be? < 1339264609 135857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: No it isn't < 1339264610 508049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you are wrong < 1339264617 961966 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I am < 1339264620 519753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lots of things like monads or comonads except they don't have fmap < 1339264623 624348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in modal logic type things < 1339264624 669139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1339264627 322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> ◇a -> ◇b < 1339264631 517986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is definitely a modal logic type thing < 1339264637 43849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Taneb's and mine :) < 1339264641 526925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339264651 247385 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence possibility is a Monad < 1339264709 273081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to say what category, I suppose. < 1339264777 406484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so what I've got is ◇_(a*b)x -> (◇_a)(◇_b)x < 1339264789 763718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339264792 617374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a*b product here? < 1339264794 248094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you should interpret that * as being a generic multiplication-like operator < 1339264802 715876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's commutative semiring multiplication) < 1339264806 770129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not extend :: w (a,b) x -> w a (w b x), then < 1339264828 845611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's extract? < 1339264833 268809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract :: w 1 x -> x? < 1339264847 558367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a special case, I think there's a semiring with tupling as its multiplication (although not a commutative one) < 1339264851 974674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1339264857 992244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1339264859 229550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this for? < 1339264877 604767 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235038077.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339264894 417353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we found a generic structure behind all the resource-bounding type systems we'd been looking at (apart from SCI, but that just needs a side-condition) < 1339264936 719266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specific motivating example is realtime type systems that prove that everything executes in the time it's meant to, and that every part of the system is ready to receive input when it actually gets input < 1339264943 171101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be synthesized into pipelined circuitry < 1339265005 757838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, it's clear that this is the quotient of an indexed comonad: instead of w i j x, I have w q x where q*i = j < 1339265044 197849 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: CHILI THYME < 1339265046 283190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339265051 500911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1339265054 465832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the RHS of extend there? < 1339265059 454712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339265060 917044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1339265064 376161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1339265065 429248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, do mind < 1339265070 429266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on the RHS, you need two values again < 1339265076 463496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1339265077 675559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just use 1 < 1339265089 446982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, err, wait, what? < 1339265110 888923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: w x z a -> w x y (w y z a) < 1339265123 95890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's actually w (x*z) a -> w (x*y) (w (y*z) a) < 1339265126 753480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean duplicate? < 1339265126 913276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some y < 1339265131 476524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I guess you just pick y = 1 < 1339265133 259908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, sorry < 1339265135 489233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, exactly < 1339265147 31561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether or not we pick y=1 has been a raging argument between me and my supervisor over the last several weeks < 1339265155 640116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're /still/ not entirely sure which is better, or even which sides we're on any more < 1339265158 413173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, actually, there's a big problem < 1339265169 607724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that type signature means that whoever picks extend gets to *pick y themselves* < 1339265174 156255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not _your_ choice < 1339265178 712134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I give you w (x*z) a < 1339265188 77695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's my right to demand w (x*42) (w (42*z) a) back < 1339265191 296472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can pick any y I like, right < 1339265195 124334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a problem in our use of it < 1339265196 524040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, /I/ can < 1339265198 727405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get to choose < 1339265203 125662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1339265212 120518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if this works for you, it has the happy consequence that "whether or not we pick y=1" is an incoherent argument < 1339265213 212882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem's specifically in the presentation < 1339265215 877660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't get to pick < 1339265223 346403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must support /all/ y < 1339265224 688931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, do we define things for y=1 and then specify rules to transform to other y < 1339265231 269891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do we define things generically over y in the first place < 1339265236 780573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter, former sounds awful < 1339265245 355113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say close to the comonadic defniition < 1339265260 534853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there are compelling reasons not to < 1339265264 206958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it affects how the language is used or something < 1339265268 376037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wasn't intended to be a comonad originally, we just sort-of noticed it was < 1339265268 898695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's still that thing < 1339265280 148706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meh, it doesn't matter when you notice as long as you do < 1339265281 314231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing happens a lot in category theory < 1339265320 510075 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo #echo < 1339265320 888027 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo #echo < 1339265321 236121 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo < 1339265340 161559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you can't get a loop from that because fungot ignores oonbotti < 1339265340 984081 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg oonbotti foo < 1339265341 531801 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lafeu. do not i know you do, if they meane a fray to be fought between sir hugh the welsh priest and caius the french doctor < 1339265341 711634 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265349 676743 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo #readmsg < 1339265350 219181 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg #readmsg < 1339265353 658484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you're not allowed to use your own bots to botloop < 1339265355 232452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's disgusting < 1339265356 224029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: but I set one up before the ignore was added < 1339265370 887602 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not botlooping < 1339265372 27909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is an /excellent/ language for writing botloops in < 1339265420 856865 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg oonbotti foo < 1339265421 214978 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265481 910928 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rawirc PRIVMSG oonbotti :#readmsg < 1339265490 59944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps I should just present both presentations in the paper < 1339265497 71787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue there is proving them equivalent < 1339265506 262848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't give in to imperfection! < 1339265522 5558 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay. I managed to make 1 bot botloop < 1339265527 193224 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265527 375245 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: oonbotti < 1339265530 822946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of awkward to read with the extra y in everywhere (except we didn't call it y) < 1339265532 810415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: in PM to itself? < 1339265554 313626 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1339265568 202616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of a botloop if you can't spam a channel with it? < 1339265592 72516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can. < 1339265592 419533 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1339265600 396449 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339265604 475665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter whether or not you can spam a channel with it. < 1339265623 959918 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti foo < 1339265624 142530 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265630 874702 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti_ foo < 1339265631 226912 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265645 845164 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265646 202743 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: foo < 1339265658 706082 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. it loses all of the messages < 1339265695 935726 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/1e1m2 <-- I took this picture recently with my crappy mobile camera. Still I think that was an amazing car. < 1339265713 188862 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265713 368526 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339265770 194363 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it had both plush dice and a wunderbaum hanging from the rear view mirror!) < 1339265773 633793 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339265778 745511 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1339265801 868650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what < 1339265802 612855 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti foo < 1339265802 815362 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265808 94189 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#msg nortti_ bar < 1339265808 282915 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1339265811 190369 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, look at https://imgur.com/1e1m2 < 1339265815 211423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1339265832 75858 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it claims to be a Volvo, a WW and a Skoda. :) < 1339265835 535986 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265835 790405 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: foo < 1339265844 913071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WW < 1339265847 383742 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1339265849 12552 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#readmsg < 1339265849 172289 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: bar < 1339265850 995405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't buy any car unless it's a bmw and a horse < 1339265851 545763 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi NICK :nortti < 1339265858 136370 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1339265960 424829 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#quit < 1339265960 595775 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1339265977 164596 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339266823 371962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I think I'm going to end up arguing with a /r/TheLastAirbender mod < 1339266845 699080 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to argue with a mod < 1339267327 703830 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you ever argued with a mod of a subreddit? < 1339267338 517671 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1339267342 456533 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in that subreddit < 1339267358 473342 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once argued with an r/gameofthrones mod if that helps < 1339267567 864880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because I like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra? < 1339267588 342798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is arugment < 1339267645 409735 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say that the unspoilered stuff in http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/ut8sn/oh_nick_always_the_tease/c4ybugf is a spoiler, mod says it's just a theory < 1339267657 801321 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers!!! that was what my argument was about < 1339267673 450935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that we got (what seems to be) a clear answer to the question of whether the two characters are the same today. < 1339267848 310139 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have linked to context? < 1339267876 747012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339267944 902042 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replied < 1339267954 350263 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339267979 667522 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/m5gd9ncmfogmd6cd18sjhg < 1339267986 756118 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that was a decent reply < 1339268004 71109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I think I just violated reddiquette, by sharing that < 1339268004 645280 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1339268066 321230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha you know what is a funny joke < 1339268073 392735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339268103 193065 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339268106 814397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339268187 573311 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no is the new hi < 1339268269 232391 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1339268725 559035 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269231 210358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269328 856556 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339269334 159349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I agree with Hawking's "Reality is not a quality you can test with litmus paper." <-- except the reality of pH < 1339269382 965017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1339269393 584477 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1339269403 160662 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1339269403 326848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1339269416 543010 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good message < 1339269417 463810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :baking in hi again | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269500 873909 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihyqn: om < 1339269524 370950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :waking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269544 239022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dammit < 1339269570 296665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1339269581 998828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must people break the rules even if i never explained them < 1339269598 281155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course elliott would break them even more if i did) < 1339269610 146398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please explain the rules so i may break them more effectively < 1339269648 279766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :waking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339269667 848214 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kind of like Bolshevik R2-D2" < 1339269670 61113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no reusing previous words, always go in steps of 1 levenshtein distance < 1339269683 951336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what did you change < 1339269691 87791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok not changing it at all is permitted) < 1339269709 502723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the name of the person who posted the last topic < 1339269718 927497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: plagiarist! < 1339269721 16624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1339269921 371145 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1339269922 315168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: rosin. take you this. julia. no, by this same coxcombe that we haue giuen thee faces to the bent of womans fancy? i am a daughter to his blood < 1339269950 808657 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1339269951 364349 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1339269956 547009 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1339269957 298722 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 0): the optional step keyword is called multicolor text mode. if your output is not a plus sign () specifies that the second < 1339269995 318283 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot create those sentences? < 1339269995 870658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 20 next n,k,j ( stopping nested loops) is accomplished by jumping directly into the system provides for " auto-start" of using " actual numbers": print t(t); 130 for q= 1 to 8 < 1339270143 875922 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fungot prints out something if message contains word fungot? < 1339270144 419814 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: new ( performs a logical file number can range from zero to one cor- respondence between the last four sid chip are numerous and varied. only then is it a little more involved, by controlling bits 0, four of the control and command register 660 so it can be found just by pokeing their screen codes needed for the characters < 1339270386 178736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: fizzie pregenerates files with markov chain probabilities for each style, which fungot uses < 1339270386 994610 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 2) is increased by one nybble of the transformations you can define dozens of sprite movement is called the sprite character. there is a simple poke 792,193 will accomplish this. the < 1339270558 754100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still pissed http://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/ut8sn/oh_nick_always_the_tease/c4ybugf?context=1 < 1339270563 420278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339270564 627854 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Spoilers) < 1339270664 631084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer my rules for ties in Pokemon Card, or the standard rules, or some other variant which I have not heard of? < 1339270783 277877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer a variant which _no_ one has heard of, not even me < 1339270797 115752 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339270807 691582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1339270815 328660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome HackEgo < 1339270818 194995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1339270948 893005 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain what is so bad about busybox vi? < 1339271560 572294 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339271562 971806 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1339271590 14133 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1339271694 420600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339271730 517301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that, rather than Possibility being a monad, Possibility is what monads translate to under the curry-howard isomorphism < 1339271768 500532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It still has to be an endofunctor, though < 1339271773 880631 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where m a means "It is possible that an a exists" < 1339271791 859892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think that is true at all. < 1339271796 942589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I don't think CH really works like that. < 1339271802 90352 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certainly wrong < 1339271809 381440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That loses the distinction between two separate monads, if they both translate to Possibility... < 1339271926 708384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (Time -> Amplitude) a reasonable representation of (not yet stored to file) audio data in Haskell? < 1339271976 453653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1339271979 511996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inefficient to modify, though. < 1339272105 902654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least, I don't think CH really works like that. <-- actually that rings a bell... < 1339272141 244475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probability being a monad seems reasonable; the other way around doesn't really... < 1339272155 521213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :each monad could correspond to a modal logic, in other words < 1339272170 267153 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just sent some files over bluetooth to my laptop. Apparently the transfer was successful. But it didn't tell me where it placed the sodding file... < 1339272191 511632 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in ~/Public? Why did it create that directory and why did it place it there? < 1339272259 475691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is the monad of probabilities like (WriterT (Product x) []) but that may not be what you meant < 1339272263 179311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds reasonable < 1339272264 261181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence#Correspondence_between_natural_deduction_and_lambda_calculus mentions it in the list at the end < 1339272274 805241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I didn't interpret what Taneb said as that,t hough < 1339272283 659107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably XDG < 1339272296 893654 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, consider that I never know quite what I'm on about < 1339272302 400999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like itidus-lite < 1339272303 756953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well naturally, although every modal logic with the right axioms corresponds to _some_ notion of possibility, i should think < 1339272312 316845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1339272325 49670 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1339272335 799825 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah anyway I did a find on ~ to find it < 1339272341 218613 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that takes ages < 1339272362 991443 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some 80 GB or so, with tens of thousands of small files under ~/src) < 1339272403 312031 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Necessity may be a comonoad < 1339272406 550492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comonad < 1339272409 130948 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I will run find ~ | wc -l out of interest < 1339272422 62865 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how often do you klean your ~/src ? < 1339272432 373789 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clean < 1339272437 534795 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, clean? < 1339272447 941250 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, why would I clean away my own code < 1339272452 611006 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and projects I work on < 1339272457 404041 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it x is necessary, it is necessary that x is necessary < 1339272463 473606 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(duplicate) < 1339272468 276101 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there are some other stuff there, but only things I need actually < 1339272482 222629 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cross compiler toolchain build environment for h8300-coff < 1339272484 319900 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If x is necessary, x must be < 1339272486 522008 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extract) < 1339272494 77707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you should need fmap < 1339272508 915325 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the hard one < 1339272512 803521 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah. I thought you used ~/src for compiling programs from source and placed your own projects to something like ~/projects < 1339272527 707298 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find ~ | wc -l < 1339272527 883453 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2899 < 1339272553 823157 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, nah, stuff I compile from source go there too, but get removed (apart from a file that contains the ./configure flags used, to help with upgrades) < 1339272554 620140 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the existence of x forces the existence of y, does the necessity of x force the necessity of y? < 1339272565 751615 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: < 1339272566 855751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find ~ | wc -l < 1339272567 15463 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :697776 < 1339272572 259516 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1339272589 218925 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, this is on my laptop. My desktop is booted to windows atm, so I can't check ther < 1339272591 489653 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there* < 1339272637 483266 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find src | wc -l < 1339272637 665355 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :528744 < 1339272641 637810 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a sizable part of it < 1339272659 562464 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ find src/ | wc -l < 1339272659 920784 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :302 < 1339272673 533334 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find projects/ | wc -l < 1339272673 713832 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1076 < 1339272689 839377 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a two linux kernels there too. One is for this laptop the other is for cross compiling to an old dell desktop that takes far too long to do it by itself < 1339272703 388469 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is a P3 @ 993 MHz, 512 MB RAM) < 1339272708 522479 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(way too slow) < 1339272717 25129 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is still faster than mine :P < 1339272720 974508 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1339272727 667620 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you compile your own kernel though? < 1339272728 521622 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :993 Mhz. < 1339272736 209200 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, yep < 1339272737 650126 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 3 times as fast as 333 Mhz Pentium < 1339272741 624858 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sometimes < 1339272753 230430 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, almost. I have no idea why they didn't go for 1 GHz < 1339272759 853332 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, also that dell desktop came with windows 98 < 1339272763 790305 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how old it is < 1339272774 621294 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine has win98SE < 1339272781 823399 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well might have been SE < 1339272782 758957 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*had < 1339272784 203759 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1339272794 387545 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is that it is bloody outdated < 1339272803 598328 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has winXPpro license taped to it < 1339272807 73808 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway that dell has a 20 GB HDD < 1339272810 689719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not very useful < 1339272842 719914 :nortti!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that is smaller than in my computer < 1339272844 544392 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the HDD started making strange noises recently. < 1339272850 628961 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, come on, I've got (<*>) but not fmap < 1339272852 880221 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find any other IDE disks < 1339272878 924407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: So no pure? < 1339272883 56014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have pure and (<*>) you have fmap. < 1339272883 226421 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1339272897 906574 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without the naturalistic fallacy < 1339272917 833276 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is that fallacy? < 1339272924 805646 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is true is good < 1339272949 38848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If p is the case, p ought to be permitted < 1339272954 707248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1339273029 362562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of necessity, that fallacy is not a fallacy < 1339273037 201684 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider the necessity of Law. < 1339273045 662324 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder happens, so should murder be legal? < 1339273085 841851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1339273127 802725 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're into philosophy and law here, two topics I am even less well versed in than I am mathematics and computer science < 1339273137 533226 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'll think of a different example < 1339273141 199863 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't. < 1339273313 416928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are scores of modal logics depending on which axioms you accept, though < 1339273331 790051 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remain as general and sweeping as possible < 1339273356 436615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means you take one with few axioms < 1339273385 700322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm avoiding p -> □p < 1339273416 182653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p -> ◇p is okay, though < 1339273448 16858 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw it. < 1339273452 935528 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making my own logic < 1339273489 151848 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXIOMS: < 1339273516 593437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, p -> □p is an axiom anyway < 1339273527 834972 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO NECESSITY IS A COMONAD, POSSIBILITY IS A MONAD < 1339273530 702278 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ official < 1339273543 720060 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in some modal logics) < 1339273595 76098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disturbingly, intuitionistic modal logic is a red link in wp < 1339273635 545995 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, in any normal modal logic, Necessity is an applicative < 1339273684 778618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to use a classical logic as basis unless you have continuations < 1339273705 697531 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pierce's law, right? < 1339273709 197803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1339273712 720554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339274100 922393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, with Pierce's law as call/cc, you get LEM saying it's either true or false (doesn't matter which) and if you ever prove it wrong and prove a contradiction, that ends up calling the continuation and backtracking, right? < 1339274107 683400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1339274142 92996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1339274224 426337 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEM's x | x, right? < 1339274228 749229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1339274282 160100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :callCC (\c -> Right (\x -> c (Left x))) < 1339274338 944091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) < 1339274339 904691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b (m :: * -> *) a. (MonadCont m) => m (Either a (a -> m b)) < 1339274357 588589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1339274430 182418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lem = callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) in runCont (do { x <- lem; case x of Left a -> return a; Right f -> f (42 :: Int)) id < 1339274431 123651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `)' < 1339274433 540450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1339274435 793223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let lem = callCC (\c -> return $ Right (\x -> c (Left x))) in runCont (do { x <- lem; case x of Left a -> return a; Right f -> f (42 :: Int) }) id < 1339274436 807326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1339274439 763613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1339274441 957479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see how it works < 1339274464 903014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go "aha, you think it's uninhabited, but I have an inhabitant *right here*!" and it steals your example and goes back in time and uses it as a proof of inhabitation < 1339274465 505923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1339274532 333453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done something like this: class Classical x where { lem :: Either x (Not x); }; < 1339274550 399151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes i remember < 1339274639 530938 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1339274729 365688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw you don't need the {} if you have () around the do itself. < 1339274738 388598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? neat < 1339274745 477318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was more for my own benefit, though :P < 1339274821 86973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically only used to find out where the do block ends, and if there's a delimiter just after that cannot be matched inside the do, then you don't need the {} < 1339274832 320308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1339275755 128680 :Patashu!~Patashu@c27-253-127-153.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1339275761 999434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339276148 792760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1339276500 46453 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1339276877 259772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codeeval supports Clojure < 1339276880 413244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a happy person now < 1339276885 860528 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to learn Clojure < 1339277000 485021 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Clojure some kind of lisp ran inside JVM? < 1339277053 936052 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia TOPIC #esoteric :raking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339277151 325341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it can't be ran, only run < 1339277173 313614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under rock < 1339277266 218700 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that rock crush you? < 1339277378 877282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grbltn < 1339277388 324848 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-221-74.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest peacefully < 1339277445 466235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you, i need some peaceful rest < 1339277456 745272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1339277458 752518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nap < 1339277499 165337 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grbltn? < 1339277608 991559 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a side note: Doesn't haskell break RT anyway? < 1339277613 457733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnt, brklfnd mgrvgrvladje < 1339277633 163438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO < 1339277644 608186 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't potatoes some kind of tuber? < 1339277646 571031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: guess why it has "unsafe" < 1339277671 824264 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you just need to ignore unsafePerformIO whenever it is convenient to your argument to do so < 1339277721 665768 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto any of a dozen other features < 1339278149 880038 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :faking | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1339278152 977116 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339279065 243944 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1339279124 358573 :george97!~george4li@41-184-84-250.rv.ipnxtelecoms.com PART :#esoteric < 1339279380 283877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339280416 648419 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.162 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339280843 894617 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one should I try to port to my own processor architecture: MINIX 1.5, MINIX 2 or 2.11BSD < 1339281338 267739 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I am playing Human Revolution. < 1339281366 208363 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am crouching on a sofa on which two enemies are also sitting. < 1339281372 503132 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither has noticed me. < 1339281381 668365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve bought the DE series, but haven’t got around to trying it yet. < 1339281401 630247 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :3 < 1339281434 145704 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite thing about original Deus Ex is that you could heal a shotgun wound to the chest by eating 50 bags of potato chips < 1339281438 586302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them looked up from the handheld game he was playing, glanced at me for a second, then looked back down. < 1339281469 835304 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ah, see, Jensen doesn't faff around with that; he just stuffs his face with Mars Bars so he can punch people. < 1339281535 318096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, no ghost bonus. < 1339281542 360756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... pretty sure none of them saw me. < 1339281791 800587 :james-ubc!~jaamesden@d207-6-249-160.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1339281922 941038 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, DX is good, but it's probably best to start with HR because DX is very... 90s. < 1339281950 375440 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1339282330 372404 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339282895 756422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1339282899 345375 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: I don’t really mind old games being… old. :-) I’ve been playing Fallout 1 recently. < 1339282915 835932 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just like in real life! < 1339282959 887308 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but FPSes are more reflexive than turn-based RPGs, so the quirks in the interface are more offputting. < 1339282977 108658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't use r for reload, for instance, unlike basically every other FPS today. < 1339283024 725050 :nortti_!~juhani@a88-113-14-106.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1339283176 354236 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1DE85.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1339283221 942128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1339283580 244954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1339284199 169377 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1339284234 417106 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1339284586 778226 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should i play Fallout n, n < 3? < 1339284597 692104 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of got one of them working in Wine once < 1339284775 198305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n=base of natural logatithms then yes try < 1339285141 26456 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AngryJoe Plays Steel Battalion Kinect http://youtu.be/VxKRBUzElTU?t=5m45s < 1339285175 668343 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I’ve liked it. The UI is rather horrible and the 640×480 resolution is annoying, but the game is good despite that. < 1339285290 525591 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all turn-based right? < 1339285692 713294 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combat is, yeah. < 1339285726 230772 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I should try one of the resolution-enhancing patches again now that i’ve switched GPUs. < 1339285744 718556 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time anything beyond the default 640×480 was unplayably slow. < 1339285865 307330 :kmc!~keegan@65.96.1.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those come with high res textures and such? < 1339285890 390546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, you just get to see more than a tiny window to the map. < 1339285916 961664 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since when was Sherlock Holmes a goddamn emo druggie obsessed with death?" -- a person < 1339285931 736463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so funny if you've read the sherlock holmes stories < 1339285972 8669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The “FIXT” patch for Fallout is recommended.