00:03:25 pretty cool http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/images/1/18/Sm4mzx_gameplay.png 00:04:33 -!- ais523 has changed nick to ais523\itexplode. 00:06:23 That is one MegaZeux game. 00:07:00 Without the animation of gameplay it does not explain the game well, though. 00:07:28 i think it's good when you can't infer much from a screenshot 00:07:46 ais523\itexplode, what is up with that nick? 00:08:56 -!- edwardk has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 00:08:58 Do you like this game? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/screen.png 00:09:40 that is the greatest computer game ever to exist 00:10:32 Are you sure? 00:11:37 no 00:11:39 Maybe you like this MegaZeux game? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/potionconf/potion_of_confusing.zip (Incomplete; you also need MegaZeux to run this game) 00:12:48 i have long ago abandoned enjoying fiction 00:13:48 i don't know what the trick is to enjoying fiction 00:15:18 when i was younger i used to believe that it was imbued with wisdom in some way 00:15:30 that i could get something out of it 00:17:00 that i could just enjoy it in and of itself 00:22:07 itidus21, most fiction has nothing to do with wisdom (sure there are cases where there they are related) 00:22:13 it is just for enjoyment 00:22:25 itidus21, I guess you don't enjoy computer games or movies either then? 00:22:43 nor fictional books 00:22:51 not as much as i once did 00:23:10 oh well, everyone is different 00:23:13 comics i still dig! 00:23:46 maybe i can like them.. 00:23:51 just not today 00:24:02 comics? Never been into that 00:24:18 itidus21, anyway that is equally fiction 00:24:26 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has changed nick to Patashu. 00:24:31 Computer game involve things other than just fictional story 00:24:57 (Some may not even involve story at all; or a story will be added on afterward and is not really a part of the game) 00:25:01 im feeling too sleepy to make sense.. but well i had enouhg sleep 00:25:07 zzo38, yes... but a story is an important part of a lot of computer games (except for really simple ones like, say, tetris or minesweeper). 00:25:39 im just blabbering. 00:25:47 -!- ais523\itexplode has quit. 00:25:54 most of the games I tend to play are heavily story-oriented, or at least features a story as an important part 00:27:26 Good story oriented computer games include text adventure games are good game 00:27:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude 00:28:10 afk 00:28:57 zzo38, did you just say that? 00:29:06 huh 00:29:11 * Vorpal tries to parse it 00:30:58 Text adventure games can resemble a role-playing game but by computer and single-player, and of course the computer does not understand everything you are trying to do 00:31:19 RPGs can be single player 00:31:44 Yes they can be; they can even be no-player; but that is not what is relevant 00:33:36 zzo38, where was your web server now again? 00:33:47 On my computer! 00:33:57 well, I mean URL 00:34:38 http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/ but there is nothing there; you need the filename 00:34:59 right 00:35:19 I already posted the filenames above, though 00:35:31 zzo38, it just has a link to gopher that I can't open 00:35:43 Yes I know, like I said you need the filename 00:35:51 right 00:36:00 well I need to sleep 00:36:01 cya 00:39:26 In Dungeons&Dragons game I have figured out a plan to continue (I need the chancellor's autograph); I figured out, I now need a wig and I need to cut off his beard and moustache, etc. And take his belongings and destroy them (unless it is money, in which case I can exchange them for gold and give the gold coins to the king). 00:39:52 However I might need a Time Hop spell of a greater duration than normal. 00:42:52 Perhaps if he refuses to give me his autograph, I can find his signature in the royal documents and if I find one describing a bad law that he is trying to pass, I can steal that document. 00:44:51 back 00:44:59 i feel a bit better 00:45:01 i think 00:45:27 In order to kill the demon I think I will need to do many other things first, including trick the chancellor, kill the chancellor, not letanyone know he is dead, and many political issues, especially since he did many bad things and stole the king (so we need to find the king too), and then need help from a beholder and from forcing the demon to chase us around the world. 00:45:33 i suppose i still like fiction 00:45:41 I already have some of the tools I need, such as astrolabe and shovel. 00:48:09 The chancellor is bald, therefore I will need a wig. 00:48:23 And something to force it to stay on his head. 00:49:11 And then the castle will be restored to its rightful king (whom I have never seen, so this might be difficult). 00:54:53 The royal wizard is also helping and he also hates the chancellor like I have also realized he was doing bad things, after using a disguise to go into the king's chamber I could find out more information and now I can confirm the chancellor is on the same team as the demon and they do evil jobs for each other. 00:55:34 However, even though the royal wizard would also want the chancellor dead, I think it is best that he does not know yet; I think it is even best that even I do not know yet, therefore I can cast Modify Memory on myself. 00:56:31 All I found in the king's bed was a dummy. 00:57:18 kmc: I got my flag shirt! 00:57:25 so i got megazeux and tried the super mario demo. pretty cool that they did all that in textmode 00:58:08 Yes it is. Did you try the Caverns of Zeux, Forest of Zeux, etc? Did you try my MegaZeux games (I linked two of them)? 01:00:10 the thing about it is, i have an obsession with super mario bros. 01:01:06 I have once made up a Action Replay cheat code for Super Mario Land to turn off the music but keep the sound effect on. 01:02:20 ok. s/^... /i have an interest in super mario bros./ 01:03:00 that substitution doesn't make sense 01:03:11 ya.. 01:03:26 I have played Super Mario Bros too I wanted to make it invisible Mario to make the game more difficult, I managed to do so 01:03:47 i mean to say 01:04:10 ok. s/i have an obsession with super mario bros/i have an interest in super mario bros/ 01:04:32 zzo38 reminds me of the kinds of things truely obsessed people do 01:15:40 i mean in other words.. i have done nothing to truely represent an obsession with it 01:15:49 i havent devoted real time and energy 01:16:44 Try to play the computer games that I made up, see if you can understand it 01:21:26 i like the term computer games because the computer is really the singular element distinguishing them from other games 01:22:16 board games and card games can be exactly the same regardless of whether they're played on a computer for example 01:22:42 Yes, well, mostly 01:23:03 also there exists sound-only games designed with the blind in mind 01:23:51 Yes there are some 01:24:26 and some interactive fiction is like choose your own adventure books and the like doesn't require a computer 01:31:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:48:59 -!- edwardk has joined. 02:03:49 -!- augur has joined. 02:08:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:13:21 edwardk: O, you are on this channel too now? 02:13:36 i wander back after a while and everyone thinks its strange ;) 02:13:47 i used to lurk in here more regularly 02:14:00 OK. Well, I suppose either I did not notice or I forgot. 02:14:02 used to? how long ago was that? 02:14:10 But it is not a problem nevertheless. 02:14:20 I don't recall seeing you here before yesterday :) 02:14:25 no worries. =) I stalked kmc in. ;) 02:14:43 olsner: i chattered with you and oklopol and some of the others a few years ago 02:14:55 he had some silly language 02:15:29 oh, that time, that was a while before I started coming here regularly 02:15:30 and we talked about kata, so it was probably ~4 years back 02:15:37 -!- augur has joined. 02:15:56 if it was when everyone was inventing a silly human language 02:16:06 sounds about right 02:17:05 i mostly wandered away because i switched irc clients and forgot to add this one back to the list of what i log into 02:17:14 Does the class codensity monad of a commutative idempotent monoid form a set? 02:17:36 edwardk: What IRC client did you used to use and what you switched to? 02:17:38 hrmm good question, seems like it would 02:17:39 code density monad 02:18:02 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:18:35 The class density comonad of a copeanoid (my Copeanoid class) is a non-empty list comonad even with the same meanings of duplicate and extract. 02:18:40 zzo38: i used to use pidgin, then adium, then xchat, now i use textual 02:18:51 zzo38: sounds about right 02:19:07 you can get the non-empty list monad just by using Free Semigroup 02:19:12 I wonder if reddit also got hit by the leap second bug 02:19:22 edwardk: And yes I did realize that too! 02:19:23 -!- aloril has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:20:03 and Maybe as Free Default, if you use class Algebra f r where phi :: f r -> r then Free (Algebra f) is just the free monad over the f functor 02:20:49 You used four kind of IRC clients? I just wrote an IRC client and before I used this, I used telnet to connect to IRC, which does not work so well. 02:21:16 well, this was recently. before that i used others. i think i first used ircii 02:21:21 wow, using telnet for IRC, that's hardcore 02:21:37 i used to use bitchx way back when as well 02:21:48 otoh, I should not be surprised that the world's last gopher user would also try that :) 02:21:49 but its hard to take any project with a name like that seriously 02:21:54 hah 02:22:08 i remember gopher. not fondly, but i remember it. =) 02:22:25 it was pretty much my first exposure to the internet at large coming out of the bbs world 02:22:29 Now I use PHIRC which unlike using telnet, allows you to backspace, does syntax highlighting, support macros, hides the password, and auto-pong and so on too 02:22:53 edwardk: Gopher and BBS are still used somewhat (and I am not the only one). 02:22:54 oh and i guess i still use colloquy when i want to irc from the ipad 02:23:22 edwardk: kmc will be gone for two weeks soon, I hear! 02:23:25 i used to be overly obsessed with the detroit area bbs scene 02:23:29 shachaf: ack 02:23:47 er both ACKnowledged and, "ack!" 02:24:36 -!- aloril has joined. 02:24:43 An IRC client with syntax highlighting? 02:24:43 BBS systems today are commonly Synchronet and are accessed by internet rather than telephone. Usually telnet is used, however Synchronet also supports rlogin, SSH, NNTP, SMTP, HTTP (including server-side JavaScript), gopher, FTP, and IRC. 02:25:17 i actually wrote a FOSSIL driver around 92 or so that was used to move the regional fidonet hub onto the internet for mail exchange 02:25:18 mroman: Yes. Sender is cyan, command is bright white, short parameters are white, long parameters are bright blue (the colon in front is normal white, though). 02:26:20 used to run bbs's off of OS/2 and DESQview. sheesh, i'd forgotten about DESQview 02:26:38 (and of course DOS) 02:28:11 i wrote a bbs software like TAG called 'psychosys', and a bunch of door games that were used by a lot of ISPs in the area - yes, i was a kid, and it sounded edgy. 02:28:36 er s/ISPs/BBSs/ 02:28:42 I have seen a BBS once 02:28:54 Do you still have any of those door games, and are they compatible with Synchronet? 02:29:29 i might have the source to one or two of them, but keep in mind these are DOS BBS doors, written in turbo pascal probably 5.0, 5.5 or 6.0 02:29:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:29:36 -!- DH____ has joined. 02:29:46 and they are designed to talk to an old dos era fossil driver 02:30:07 * shachaf complains vaguely about ptrace. 02:30:09 is a door game about going from room to room via doors? 02:30:20 edwardk: what's a "door" in this context? 02:30:23 Synchronet does support DOS programs and does support FOSSIL as well, and possibly the source codes could be adjusted a bit to compile for a free compiler. 02:30:53 oh, no, door games were where you'd step out of the bbs and into a separate application that would take over the connection and play, the BBS would basically terminate but stay resident, the door would take up the rest of the memory and start running 02:31:01 I still play BBS door games, and access FidoNet and stuff, today, on X-BIT. Telnet to x-bit.org port 23 you need an account 02:31:17 and then when they came back in from the door the BBS would take back over interaction 02:31:53 the door protocol was also how the mail loader that would deal with most fidonet era BBSs would launch the mail exchanger. 02:32:20 it'd pick up the line, check to see if it was another bbs calling that wanted to toss mail, then dump into that mode before hanging up, or it'd go to the usual bbs startup 02:32:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS_door 02:32:44 Some modern door games are written in server-side JavaScript (which Synchronet supports). 02:33:09 if i'm going to write a door in javascript i might as well just run it in the browser ;) 02:33:10 That toss mail stuff still works today using QWK. 02:33:28 zzo38: Oh. 02:33:39 i used to work with paul williams from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAG_(BBS) 02:33:40 I thought syntax highlighting for code. 02:33:58 and knew a number of the telegard guys as well 02:34:29 mostly by dint of being an obnoxious obsessive kid who would chat with anyone ;) 02:35:10 if everyone built their BBS:es on z/VM, I guess doors would be done as virtual machines 02:35:32 There still are many Synchronet BBSes today and many of the modern games are written in JavaScript, although to the client it is the same as if it were a DOS program or native program. 02:36:49 sadly none of the ones out of michigan descend from the horst mann bbs list era ;) 02:36:55 One game I like best is Word Warp, which I still play today. Scores are kept per month. 02:37:53 http://bbslist.textfiles.com/313/ has a lot of the wrong names for sysops, etc. odd 02:38:03 edwardk: Well, yes, they are new ones since they are by internet instead of telephone, and as far as I know the only software that existed in those days for telephone BBS and now works with internet BBS is Synchronet. So if they have a Synchronet BBS, it is possible for it to still exist today on the internet. 02:39:01 i found an old 5 1/4" floppy from that era with some of my old pascal source code on it 02:39:09 but i don't have anything to read it with =( 02:40:09 I will tell you what I have used for that purpose: I used a compiler with 5 1/4" floppy drive and connect it to a laptop computer by serial port. 02:40:15 it should have a little populous style over-world 320x200 game engine for rendering the overland map from my mud, a little novalogic "voxel" style cave exploration engine, etc 02:41:30 my mom mentioned she found some of my even older 5 1/4" floppies from when i used CP/M =/ 02:41:37 those will be even more awkward to read 02:42:03 mostly just used to boot into it from the commodore 128 02:42:17 i wound up moving to the PC because of turbo pascal. it gave me a migration path ;) 02:42:37 (tp 3.0 or so had both CP/M and DOS versions) 02:42:51 I sometimes write computer game programs in QBASIC. 02:43:06 i'm not that masochistic ;) 02:43:27 -!- david_werecat has joined. 02:43:40 All of these program in public domain 02:43:53 Including source-codes. 02:44:02 I can show it to you if you want to. 02:44:42 i wrote my disassembler on a lark when i was 8 or so when i lied and told a kid i'd written one and had to make good, and after i wrote the little assembly monitor i used to enter code, the only time i ever bothered with basic on the c64 was when forced. 02:45:05 quickbasic programs? no thanks =) 02:45:42 Some people have said these are good game 02:46:21 edwardk: Also, can you show me how you can make free monad over the functor by class Algebra f r where phi :: f r -> r 02:46:51 its in ralf hinze's article 02:46:54 (And what it has to do with algebra) 02:47:04 that is an f-algebra 02:47:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-algebra 02:47:33 OK 02:47:53 so make an instance of Algebra for say, instance Algebra f (Mu f) where phi = In 02:48:50 or instance Algebra f (TheOtherFree f a) were phi = TheOtherFree 02:49:04 (using TheOtherFree for the constructor of the more traditonal free monad) 02:49:18 instance Algebra f (Free (Algebra f)) 02:49:20 also works 02:49:36 all of those are fun to construct 02:49:48 -!- david_werecat has quit (Quit: Quitting...). 02:50:26 do make the cofree comonad you need f-coalgebras 02:50:39 class Coalgebra f a where psi :: a -> f a 02:50:59 phi and psi are traditional, but not necessary names 02:51:31 I thought what you called phi there seems what is called alpha in the Wikipedia article? Or am I doing something wrong? 02:51:42 it is 02:52:31 you may find http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.41.125 useful in understanding them 02:53:14 my old catamorphism knol uses them, http://comonad.com/haskell/catamorphisms.html 02:54:17 I do not have access to CiteseerX 02:55:45 http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/emeijer/Papers/fpca91.pdf 02:56:34 actually theres a .ps link on the site itself 02:56:58 zzo38: it's apparently a free article 02:59:00 nevermind i'll stay out of it 03:13:21 What is the isomorphism between these free monads? 03:32:56 Please tell me if you have any suggestion relating to ITMCK then I may add it in if I think it is a good idea. 03:34:06 There are some features I wanted to add on, I may do so in later version but not in first version. 03:36:06 zzo38: do you like music? 03:36:21 itidus21: I like many kind of music not all 03:36:39 i don't know why but I have never had much interest in audio 03:37:12 it's like how children (probably) don't have any interest in politics 03:37:32 maybe it is cognitive dissonance 03:38:19 i can't whistle, i can't play any instruments, i've never created a song 03:38:41 -!- Patashu has quit (Disconnected by services). 03:38:42 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined. 03:39:44 I can play piano 03:47:23 I have even made up music with Bohlen-Pierce too. 03:49:35 i am a badperson 03:49:41 also wait 03:49:46 who invitied edwardk in here? 03:49:49 this channel is ruined 03:50:04 coppro: edwardk sometimes come in here I do not think that makes the channel ruined 03:50:17 zzo38: it was sarcasm :) 03:52:55 coppro: if you are a badperson, maybe it was you who ruined the channel? 03:53:34 olsner: possible 03:54:23 im confident that i destroy every social system i am a part of 03:55:42 -!- coppro has set topic: Individuals guilty of ruining this channel: coppro, edwardk, itidus21 (ex officio), dbelange | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 03:55:50 If you have any complaint against ITMCK you can file the complaint in here: https://devlabs.linuxassist.net/projects/itmck 03:57:30 what is ITMCK 03:57:50 This is program to write Impulse Tracker files. 03:58:00 Yes, that is what it is. 03:59:23 do you think it is cheating to use a non-standard memory mapper for NES/Famicom homebrew? 03:59:46 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:00:11 itidus21: Almost. 04:00:52 There are many ambitions I have in life. One of them is to make a NES/Famicom rom. 04:01:01 wow... i just had idea 04:02:02 if i cared about brainfuck, i could add to my list of ambitions the ambition of creating a NES rom brainfuck interpreter 04:02:33 oh its been done 04:02:37 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:02:41 wow 04:03:01 http://pdroms.de/files/nintendoentertainmentsystem/khs-nes-brainfuck 04:03:32 another ambition completed vicariously 04:05:05 itidus21: of course it has been done :) 04:05:52 well i bet there isn't a dvd where you can code brainfuck from the remote control yet 04:06:08 then again not sure if a dvd can do that 04:06:12 not sure DVD is turing complete at all 04:06:27 bluray can, but the tools for it are all proprietary and yucky 04:06:36 yeah.... 04:06:59 At least DVD does have more buttons, you can use all the numbers 1 to 99, I think. 04:07:10 i read today about some choose your own adventure dvd on wikipedia.. and of course they filed a patent! 04:07:45 so yes its a stupid idea to do 04:13:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Lully I admire this man 04:13:31 he died due to complications arising from a conducting injury 04:13:38 conducting being the musical thing 04:13:58 xkcd: died in a conducting accident 04:14:10 to me, esolangs are useful for the same reasons as psychedelics 04:14:32 coppro: How does that even *happen*? 04:15:49 He was beating time by banging a long staff (a precursor to the b�ton) against the floor, as was the common practice at the time, when he struck his toe, creating an abscess. The wound turned gangrenous, but Lully refused to have his toe amputated and the gangrene spread, resulting in his death on 22 March. 04:27:28 -!- DH____ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:03:07 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:08:42 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 05:09:04 -!- neutrino2000 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 05:39:04 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to eigenpumpkin. 06:01:18 -!- edwardk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:01:34 -!- edwardk_ has joined. 06:05:06 -!- MDude has changed nick to MDoze. 06:21:52 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has changed nick to Patashu. 06:24:18 I made up a list of fake character of Super Smash Brothers, including: Prof.Oak, Imakuni?, Kaiji, Kjugobe, Miyamoto, Urza, TV repair man. 06:24:26 -!- edwardk_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:25:29 zzo38: oh i have a mockup to show you 06:25:33 These are seven columns on a sheet of paper. The rows are: (up)XY, (left/right), (down), A, A(up), A(left/right), A(down), B, B(up), B(left/right), B(down), C(up), C(left/right), C(down), Z, LR, D(up), D(left/right), D(down), FINAL. 06:25:46 -!- edwardk has joined. 06:26:08 (I did not actually write (up) and stuff like that; I wrote the arrows.) 06:28:37 Miyamoto's FINAL is to break the game and it won't work anymore until you push RESET (so the match ends with no winner, and if it is tournament mode, you also have to start the tournament all over again). 06:29:39 Imakuni?'s D(down) changes the music to the Imakuni?'s card music. 06:30:33 And it deals damage if and only if the Imakuni?'s card music is the normal music for that stage. 06:31:23 Kaiji's B(up) allows you to walk up the glass staircase that nobody else ever noticed was there. 06:33:46 What are your opinions for this kind of things? 06:34:16 http://i.imgur.com/Anw0L.png 06:34:38 took a while to find this in my firefox history 06:34:44 Why does it say Carmack twice? 06:34:53 john and adrian :D 06:35:01 OK 06:35:57 the fact that tom hall and john carmack are depicted as female is, partially because thats just how the screenshot was 06:36:23 the enemy they're facing is a doomgaze 06:36:26 I wasn't paying attention to that 06:37:11 but, overall, i like the idea that a game dev team is a party made up of people with different specializations 06:37:31 tswett, monqy: Homestuck is on hiatuses for a while: http://mspandrew.tumblr.com/post/26260841147/hiatustuck . Note that I may not have announced the most recent update, etc. 06:37:44 Some game is made by just one guy 06:39:03 so, taking a look now at what you said.. oak is the guy from pokemon, miyamoto is a man whose precise work is unknown but mario is attriubted to him 06:39:37 Yes 06:39:46 urza sounds like bear for some reason 06:39:58 Perhaps you are thinking of the Latin "ursa" 06:40:29 (As in "Ursa Major" (the Great Bear) and "Ursa Minor" (the Small Bear)) 06:40:36 something like that 06:40:50 Urza is from Magic: the Gathering cards 06:41:09 Urza would be too strong 06:41:42 zzo38: Have you read the artifact cycle? 06:42:08 coppro: What is that? 06:42:21 zzo38: a book series 06:42:28 featuring urza 06:42:34 I have not read any of those books. 06:42:39 ah 06:42:46 those ones are actually quite good 06:44:15 I particularly enjoyed The Thran 06:44:23 and Planeswalker 06:44:26 zzo38: it sounds not too remote from the sort of thing i would enjoy making. but ive only played smash bros once.. my brother and i looked on helplessly as the cpu kicked our ass 06:44:27 Well, I have not read them. My interest in Magic: the Gathering is how the rules interact with each other (I think this is called "Melvin") 06:45:15 itidus21: I have play the game against my brother and the computer players and I sometimes win but usually he wins. 06:45:59 we don't play games together much.. not since SNES really 06:46:14 but i had a few fun sessions playing a game called bleach: shattered blade 06:47:23 it was really intensive cos you have to shake the wiimote to charge up some special move 06:48:07 Well, I played with the GameCube controllers so did not have to do such things like that 06:48:22 in this case it was part of the fun though 06:48:46 Yes, of course, if that is a part of the game, then yes it is. 06:49:01 to play this game, it was a matter of physical stamina 06:50:36 Why does MegaZeux converts .GDM to .S3M but OpenMPT converts .GDM to .MOD instead? Do either of these works better in either case? 06:52:35 itidus21: I think originally they wanted Miyamoto's final attack to crack the disc so you have to purchase a new one, but I changed it. 06:55:20 that sounds right 06:55:34 (At least this is what my brother told me) 06:56:17 ahh you both designed this? 06:56:24 Yes. 07:00:55 Game publishers don�t like the second-hand game market because it eats into revenues. Capcom is planning to counter that by releasing a game for the Nintendo 3DS that can only support one save file - for life. 07:01:04 The game is Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D and according to the game�s instruction manual, the �saved data on this software cannot be reset.� 07:01:47 close enough 07:02:33 It is stupid. Well, I have a program to backup and restore save data on DS game cards, but I do not know if it will work with the 3DS cards 07:05:36 another news is that DLC is planned for an upcoming super mario game 07:06:34 yet another idiot move was final fantasy xiii-2 apparently has a DLC ending 07:06:39 @seen kmc 07:06:40 Unknown command, try @list 07:06:50 hichaf 07:07:10 kmc: I got my flag shirt! 07:07:16 nice! 07:07:16 Maybe I said that before. 07:07:35 Also, I asked about the next CTF on your behalf. 07:07:40 It'll probably be in August. 07:07:44 cool 07:07:46 My own designs are opposite to theirs: The game disc has no copy protection and includes all the files on the disc which are needed to make the box art and instruction book and inventory data and so on, so if the store runs out of stock they can make their own copy; the customer can do the same if they lost the box or instructions, or the disc cracked and they want a backup copy, etc 07:07:54 It'll probably be more web-oriented. 07:08:02 cool! 07:09:02 I found a bug in std.file.read() in D. 07:09:07 Which isn't very confidence-inspiring. 07:09:13 What's a "flag shirt"? 07:09:13 what kind of bug? 07:09:21 can it be used to take control of the computer? 07:09:31 It gets the buffering wrong and gives you a bunch of 0s instead of the end of the file you asked for. 07:09:46 "oopse :'(" 07:10:09 :3 07:10:19 With normal files it stat()s them first and allocates a reasonably-large buffer. 07:10:29 But with /proc files it can't do that, and you get a bunch of NULs. 07:11:00 aha 07:11:15 is it actually null, or uninitialized data? 07:11:44 Presumably uninitialized data. 07:11:50 This system may cut into revenues but it also costs us less to implement than the other way, and the store can potentially sell a lot more copies since they can make their own copy if they run out of stock. 07:11:51 I think it's whatever it gets from realloc(). 07:12:08 shachaf: how did you come to be playing with D's std.file.read()? 07:12:26 Also, something like half of the suid programs on my system segfault when you exec them with argc==0. 07:12:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:12:53 I was thinking of using D for various ptrace things. 07:13:18 Hello 07:14:41 Do you like the "Famicom-MIDI" format? 07:14:55 shachaf: What's a "flag shirt"? [Some day I'll learn to add that "nick:" thing the first time.] 07:15:01 I'm not awfully familiar with the various music formats available 07:15:30 fizzie: It's a shirt with a picture of a flag on it. 07:15:30 I presume Famicom-MIDI is designed for the NES? 07:15:33 Taneb: Famicom-MIDI is not a music format, it is a specification for use of MIDI like General-MIDI is a specification for use of MIDI. 07:15:47 kmc has one, and today I went and got one too. 07:15:49 Oh, okay 07:16:10 Taneb: Yes it is for NES but mostly emulators, and can be used with GameBoy and stuff too. 07:16:13 shachaf: Oh, I thought a shirt made out of a flag or something. (I guess that's sort of close.) 07:16:45 It could be a shirt with a picture of a shirt made out of a flag on it. 07:17:18 (It would probably be difficult to make it work on a real GameBoy without modifying the hardware, although channels 0-3 could be made to work on a real NES; channels 8 and 9 would also require modification of the hardware. Emulators can support it more easily, though.) 07:17:22 kmc: Writing a program that prints out the contents of /proc/foo/maps is weird. 07:17:32 I constantly feel like my program just crashed. 07:18:07 Here is the current draft of Famicom-MIDI document: http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9058 07:18:49 They sent me a T-shirt (the cheapest-looking one I've ever seen) for doing that stripe.com "CTF" get-the-password kind of thing a while ago, something like that was my alternative guess. 07:19:07 fizzie: That's the one I got. 07:19:11 I was at the Stripe office today. 07:19:22 I did the CTF but they never sent me the shirt. 07:20:01 Oh, okay. (I was kind of surprised they bothered to mail one all the way to Finland.) 07:20:10 One potential use is to play back tool assisted speedruns that are created on computer, to the actual NES, by connecting through a MIDI sequencer to the device that translates the signals and connects to the controller port. 07:24:22 Channel 8 could be used to record the audio data directly, which can then be played back in any emulator supporting Famicom-MIDI (even one that is not capable of recording audio in this way). 07:27:02 Can you understand the Famicom-MIDI now? 07:28:33 Hmm 07:28:45 Not really, but honestly? I don't really care 07:28:57 I've been playing Dwarf Fortress, and I've found a perfect site 07:29:28 It's got magnetite, haematite, limestone, bituminous coal, and native silver. 07:29:34 It's also heavily forested 07:29:38 Downsides: alligators 07:32:59 Oh, and it has gold 07:35:41 zzo38: actually the technical side of it is probably the easy part for smart people. but the greater question of what you are trying to achieve overall is an exciting mystery 07:36:59 What do you not understand about trying to achieve overall? 07:37:17 I thought I explained that too. 07:37:31 zzo38, you're almost reminding me of ELIZA 07:38:16 is it a midi player? is it a library to enable some given NES software to include midi music? 07:40:15 itidus21: No! It doesn't have anything more to do with music than MIDI show control has to do with music. 07:41:21 you mentioned something about controller port.. is there some midi device which can conveniently plug into controller port? 07:42:11 You would have to make up such a device, and it would have to support synchro-start 07:45:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:46:41 Morning, PH 07:48:32 is it about using midi to encode video-game related data? 07:54:08 zzo38: i am breaking rule #1 which is never question the motives of an engineer 07:57:15 itidus21: That is kind of the purpose, yes. For example, to record the controller inputs for playback later, either by file or by external MIDI devices. You may also be able to edit them using certain MIDI programs. 07:58:09 And I disagree with rule #1 anyways since to learn something you have to question the motives of an engineer. And then you have to get an answer. 08:19:08 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:20:33 -!- edwardk has joined. 08:33:42 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:35:09 -!- edwardk has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:35:47 -!- edwardk has joined. 08:48:23 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:59:06 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:03:42 -!- derdon has joined. 09:13:44 -!- kmc has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:29:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:31:00 ex officio, that means it's his job, right? 09:49:22 02:44 how do I convert [IO a] to (IO [a])? 09:49:30 That ended more cheerfully than I had feared. 09:49:36 :t sequence 09:49:38 forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => [m a] -> m [a] 09:50:46 Yep. 09:55:17 -!- Taneb has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 11:03:42 > 0.99 ^ 100 11:03:44 0.3660323412732289 11:04:23 > exp (-1) 11:04:24 0.36787944117144233 11:04:59 Ooh, I never realised e crops up there. 11:05:49