< 1342742485 521659 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Vorpal disables ctcp for "security reasons" < 1342742488 366694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too tired to be fun < 1342742496 172593 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's your sleep < 1342742522 661533 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, I don't think so < 1342742523 129349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept long today, after not getting much for 2-3 days < 1342742541 696649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about time for lunch >:P < 1342742547 36372 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, I did get CTCP spammed at some point though and just put an ignore on all CTCPs that weren't CTCP ACTION < 1342742571 347537 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742571 965106 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742572 177488 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742572 374409 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742572 600349 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742572 751706 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742574 180250 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742576 415331 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742578 420268 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742580 425163 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742582 424231 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742584 430264 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742586 428302 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742588 431326 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742590 447777 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742592 440630 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742594 439286 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spam < 1342742594 928052 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1342742597 995212 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1342742599 883356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is _really_ bored, isn't he < 1342742608 200146 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spriggan arcane marksman < 1342742746 373952 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, isn't that a monster from Skyrim? Spriggan I mean < 1342742755 615680 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you get around to playing Bastion yet? < 1342742782 553727 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spriggans are from faery law, so quite possibly < 1342742791 769682 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spriggan arcane marksman (SpAM) is a possible character combination in crawl < 1342742791 920921 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342742792 488054 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1342742796 228906 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lore < 1342742796 872479 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not law < 1342742817 691520 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, you beat me to it, I was going to make a joke about that being a rather uncommon law < 1342742994 421335 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: has anything interesting happened in haskell recently < 1342743003 228247 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really been following < 1342743007 855740 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the whole class-prelude debacle < 1342743012 465550 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1342743136 760322 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is quite surreal when the head of one of the largest haskell projects decides to make a passive-aggressive blog post in response to reddit criticism < 1342743156 518411 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what < 1342743165 382923 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the yesod folks sure do have a weird track record of communication... not that /r/haskell is the most reasoned place either < 1342743171 574423 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/07/announcing-baseless-assertion < 1342743248 249133 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, That is on the borderline on not being passive < 1342743264 272106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: well lambda-case was added, but of course you know that so i assume you don't think that's interesting < 1342743289 796475 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think the added syntax is ugly < 1342743295 820534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the if | which i tried to comment about but which is still sitting at 0) < 1342743313 747004 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I would have preferred for monadic case to be added < 1342743315 113229 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do < 1342743317 92366 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case <- ask of ... < 1342743318 572445 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lambda-case < 1342743328 659986 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did anyone propose that in a venue that the simons read?) < 1342743331 308724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it works, i think if | breaks intuition horribly when nested < 1342743335 246970 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean, monadic case obviously, but as an alternative) < 1342743349 822572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: yes, but that means you cannot use it for continuation passing style < 1342743354 869651 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i'd do if i was on the committee at least < 1342743356 891020 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why not < 1342743359 585115 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo >>= case <- ask of < 1342743361 602961 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1342743366 67995 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just like "case of" < 1342743367 461672 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generalised < 1342743371 747292 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember ask is typeclassed to work with functions) < 1342743374 483785 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ask < 1342743375 807864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) r. (MonadReader r m) => m r < 1342743379 32251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean continuation passing when you want it _non-monadic_ < 1342743379 207287 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ask :: r -> r < 1342743380 597890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall r. r -> r < 1342743385 645471 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess <- id works too < 1342743387 700917 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't understand. < 1342743390 380889 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the monad is the _function_ monad. < 1342743400 901984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1342743401 506206 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(case <- ask of Nothing -> 123; Just _ -> 456) :: Maybe () -> Integer < 1342743413 316965 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case <- m of y === do { tmp <- m; case tmp of y } < 1342743420 229126 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine the latter is in the function monad. < 1342743444 897507 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342743456 341324 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- ask; case ask of Nothing -> 123; Just _ -> 456 } < 1342743457 671998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (MonadReader r Maybe) < 1342743457 823248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `ask' at :1:20-22 < 1342743457 823462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (MonadReader r Maybe) < 1342743459 924704 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1342743462 772427 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- ask; case x of Nothing -> 123; Just _ -> 456 } < 1342743464 102426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b t. (MonadReader (Maybe t) m, Num (m b)) => m b < 1342743472 280794 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1342743477 749173 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, it would be < 1342743482 990179 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case <- ask of Nothing -> return 1234; Just _ -> 456 < 1342743493 683992 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*return < 1342743497 888399 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- ask; case x of Nothing -> return 1234; Just _ -> return 456 } < 1342743499 324162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) b t. (MonadReader (Maybe t) m, Num b) => m b < 1342743499 798613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: oh. well i guess that works. < 1342743505 526276 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t do { x <- ask; case x of Nothing -> return 1234; Just _ -> return 456 } :: Maybe () -> Integer < 1342743506 834958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe () -> Integer < 1342743514 782484 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so case <- ask of Nothing -> return 1234; Just _ -> return 456 } < 1342743518 516130 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*{ Nothing < 1342743529 92990 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet copumpkin likes my solution!!!!!!!! < 1342743549 65574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: but now what if you want to do continuation passing style _in_ a monad? < 1342743553 280354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1342743567 831898 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just put return $ after every -> and it translates perfectly. < 1342743572 126014 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact that is exactly an fmap < 1342743579 47502 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we had fancy fmap syntax, then it could be extended too. < 1342743600 224071 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say (case <$> ask of Nothing -> 1234; Just _ -> return 456) < 1342743627 844498 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342743636 837856 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott___, That is on the borderline on not being passive < 1342743642 58637 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like snoyman decided to write a blog post complaining about the haskell community < 1342743644 703073 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well i think some people missed that it was directed to them first time around. < 1342743646 80187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one of those but i didn't post it ;P < 1342743661 154971 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in this case snoyman is in the wrong really < 1342743662 488973 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, wow... < 1342743667 805196 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you see classy-prelude < 1342743683 7635 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like the kind of thing i would expect someone five chapters into lyah to come up with < 1342743734 581064 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1342743756 534413 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not five < 1342743761 154486 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when are typeclasses introduced in lyah < 1342743765 743117 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should ... check it out myself < 1342743773 988476 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342743784 932327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, what is lyah? < 1342743793 386489 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn you a hgrueghegjorejgforiefjerg < 1342743796 662352 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ham < 1342743798 14468 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hexham < 1342743806 676499 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight? < 1342743809 441964 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hastur < 1342743811 410477 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haskel < 1342743815 123303 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342743818 204301 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pascal < 1342743819 902007 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*java < 1342743825 296021 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esme < 1342743830 952309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa < 1342743845 263339 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nonsense query lists < 1342743849 74901 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn you a hlaghulagahalguhgaglhghughl < 1342743849 753656 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck i forgot nsqx's other languages < 1342743853 844669 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking miss nsqx < 1342743865 855664 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make him a sysop < 1342743928 662872 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you miss nsqx < 1342743940 5860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342743953 812287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1342743958 70805 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1342743975 95078 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is zzo38 < 1342743976 336962 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i zzo38 < 1342743986 770515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not write my D&D character backstory yet so I will do that and ask the other player to write backstory for her character too. < 1342743997 11823 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: oh < 1342743998 330655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: I don't think so. < 1342744002 72723 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: you under score < 1342744017 243148 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hi < 1342744019 87161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is here to teach you not to miss nsqx. < 1342744042 853687 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is the second-best member of the channel < 1342744049 944710 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only nsqx surpasses him imo < 1342744061 551010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1342744134 367950 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hi < 1342744272 236868 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342744297 360521 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1342744299 889347 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, X crashed < 1342744433 114303 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the language list is unalphabetised < 1342744459 667405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1342744518 332347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't see any recent problems < 1342744569 161824 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i'm blind < 1342744572 629135 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Language_list&curid=960&diff=33182&oldid=33170 was out of order. < 1342744578 882279 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342744599 935297 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342744657 937931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes < 1342744766 381567 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should work on 41qys-crawl rather than sitting around on irc < 1342744876 95362 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tell me about a self-delimiting bignum-encoding scheme that is space-efficient and efficient to decode on modern nardware < 1342744877 276245 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hardware < 1342744993 664719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the NES/Famicom lack decimal mode? < 1342745048 613948 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because decimal is inferior < 1342745058 244114 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: define self-delimiting < 1342745079 118542 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: good question < 1342745080 526332 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that one < 1342745092 149262 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's based on a version of the 6502! That had a BCD mode didn't it? < 1342745107 621867 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how is ccbi < 1342745116 957038 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: do you mean that each one encodes its own length somehow? < 1342745122 410092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHeadshot: Yes that does have BCD mode < 1342745136 462713 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pretty much, yes < 1342745148 594799 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: for instance a simple such scheme would be: first bit one means there's more, first bit zero means last byte < 1342745164 792188 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ok < 1342745199 971036 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, space-efficient < 1342745203 161110 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there go all my cool ideas :( < 1342745206 365970 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on anyway < 1342745212 279417 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the coolest idea < 1342745218 831234 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where each bit was 1 if the next bit was in the number < 1342745224 426805 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0 if the number was over < 1342745232 918705 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1342745241 633322 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've ruined my dreams < 1342745244 975147 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how do you set the first bit < 1342745249 175627 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, I see < 1342745254 679038 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more boring than what I was imagining < 1342745269 448273 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___: does it need to have efficient operations or something like that? < 1342745273 406622 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what are we decoding to? < 1342745292 593454 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how are we defining efficient? I'm a computer scientist, by my definition it would be pretty damn hard to fail < 1342745300 832810 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoding to... something. an array of machine integers? by efficient I mean "hardware tricks" < 1342745305 871034 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the "modern hardware" < 1342745313 191823 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked kmc because he is a bit-twiddly kind of guy < 1342745324 514707 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342745325 802540 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realised i don't actually need this seconds after asking btw so it remains only for curiosity < 1342745361 404114 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1342745364 588912 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a funner puzzle < 1342745371 158615 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1342745379 556056 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i = something; < 1342745400 734924 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342745407 536247 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember the next bit ;) < 1342745408 406577 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342745423 405931 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342745461 415268 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: tell me about a self-delimiting bignum-encoding scheme that is space-efficient and efficient to decode on modern nardware <-- would it kill you to simply use libgmp? < 1342745472 64829 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that API is terrible < 1342745473 8303 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: serialising bignum structures to file < 1342745476 624505 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~what a great idea~ < 1342745478 694765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342745482 40043 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gmp < 1342745494 110682 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it it without "lib"? < 1342745495 984719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342745533 24700 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott___, with self-delimiting you mean there can't be a count of bytes first or such? < 1342745540 239680 :elliott___!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott____ < 1342745550 136848 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right. < 1342745554 920808 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, since that wouldn't be bignum!) < 1342745561 926455 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for (int j = 0; j < i; j=(j+i)&~i) { /* do stuff */ } < 1342745567 420221 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I iterating over? < 1342745577 443242 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____, oh well but you could encode the length of that as a another, different type of bignum :P < 1342745582 145137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the count of bytes just needs to itself have variable length < 1342745602 89765 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____, I would suggest using something like the most significant bit of each 128 bit group or such to indicate if it was the last one < 1342745604 676352 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1342745609 970068 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 64-bit group < 1342745612 618148 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better < 1342745618 416614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on modern hardware) < 1342745630 288938 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work, sure < 1342745637 937233 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has an important inefficiency < 1342745641 408327 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1342745644 305839 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the number is 64 bits it takes 128 bits to encode it < 1342745648 594148 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 64 bits is a reasonable range for a number < 1342745651 4474 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1342745654 121526 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. this penalises power-of-two bits < 1342745682 184089 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____, well, you are not going to get more than 64 bits handled efficiently on a 64-bit machine < 1342745684 707288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suggestion is: first byte 0-127 means that the actual 0-127 payload bytes follow < 1342745700 30438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and then what? < 1342745711 934405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you can repeat such blocks? < 1342745714 990147 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1342745758 343821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway why 0-127 rather than 0-255? < 1342745776 442521 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps for a sign bit < 1342745784 212300 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but why not do that unsigned... < 1342745793 120378 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm and you don't waste space by an extra null marker unless you have exactly 127 (or 255) bytes in the block < 1342745797 191481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first byte 128-255 means that the next 0-127 bytes are a length describing block in the same way (hm 0-1 is useless here, needs some tweaking) < 1342745804 288439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds reasonable < 1342745810 343522 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I need to sleep < 1342745818 145947 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342745874 204402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the first length describing block is 1 byte: if a length describing block has most significant bit 0, it's the length of the payload, otherwise its remaining bits are the length of the _next_ length describing block < 1342745896 922892 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the numbers are not quite likely to get that big :P < 1342745926 288388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____: i was assuming since you said you couldn't simply have an initial length, that you wanted this to be in principle unbounded < 1342745936 403051 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1342745990 729656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a number fitting in realistic memory, there won't be more than 2 length describing blocks < 1342746030 525459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are free to adjust the chunking and cutoffs to make it more efficient, but that's details < 1342746057 746387 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342746062 532264 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342746502 241327 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342746535 304053 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342746867 94089 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____: umm what < 1342746873 219053 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not be < 1342746895 540596 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh, so it does < 1342746898 696977 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUG! < 1342746901 531704 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to fix! < 1342746902 72566 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342746911 128906 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342746912 401828 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version thing < 1342747057 446146 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I'm missing a colon < 1342747196 923443 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, FITNR < 1342747213 161437 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 QUIT :Quit: back < 1342747243 210038 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342747317 260522 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it works" < 1342747324 348924 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"indeed it does" < 1342747358 778978 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-135.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342747374 180038 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-103.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342747467 733799 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'does it really'" < 1342747641 496707 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342747713 769075 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1342747717 2008 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I think so» < 1342747729 506128 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“why, doesn't it for you?” < 1342747790 127772 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342747791 914643 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342747798 623656 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342747799 63199 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342747799 583267 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342747799 919054 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342747800 183040 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1342747806 897547 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :197) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1342747810 799576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :361) And if they wanted to go for "true" security, they'd just do "Warning: your computer has not been turned into a plasma. This may cause some of your personal data to be stolen. Click here to turn your computer into a ball of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace." < 1342747820 438155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :136) (in #irp) Flonk, ask on #esoteric? Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P < 1342747820 807274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :419) mixing drinks together is like taking all of mozart's works and listening to all of them at once and in general a drink - and most foods - are kind like taking a song and then just taking the average of the notes and listening to it for three minutes. olsner: the point is you don't have to be the composer yourself not everyone knows what sequences of drinks taste the best < 1342747822 392105 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :803) nortti: fizzie has done some impressive stuff in befunge, which is essentially the two-dimensional version of finnish politics. < 1342747858 288412 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo : 361 or 136 or maybe 803 < 1342747874 288814 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____: what do you get, then, if not a version response? Still an empty string? < 1342747887 555227 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a string < 1342747890 328317 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the no was at the quotes < 1342747893 224076 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were not acceptable quotes < 1342747986 394186 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342747998 584199 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there was some other conversation going on as well that I missed < 1342748060 758368 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, I've finally got custom widgets working in my GUI toolkit < 1342748081 880568 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to the magic of callback function pointers < 1342748149 786618 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleepy < 1342748151 993132 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn all < 1342748283 690009 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342748563 727620 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342748822 203167 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342748841 177830 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342750698 898941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Dungeons&Dragons spell or feat did you want to invent? < 1342752372 486401 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1342752374 467262 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent it < 1342752496 518587 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i floor < 1342752571 742668 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Liberal Crime Squad, I hold some Conserative viewpoints < 1342752580 405186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Looking through the source) < 1342752700 30759 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342752702 690010 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you can't capitalize those words < 1342752703 912077 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only we can < 1342752720 672186 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get to capitalize democrat and republican instead < 1342752730 201451 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott can also capitalize democrat) < 1342752734 378736 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can capitalize Democratic though < 1342752751 584374 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-155-135.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342752755 203959 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342752759 236119 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott____: may I suggest a solid s/_//g < 1342752778 972419 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/__/g < 1342752948 320652 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1342752952 480558 :elliott____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_____ < 1342752988 865463 :elliott_____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: surely i can only categorise LibDem < 1342753034 687647 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is so slow :( < 1342753052 189835 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342753635 251551 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342753805 500874 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342754145 557260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I mean one that you do want to invent, not the ones that already exists. < 1342754150 557768 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1342754157 874471 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I know what ones I want to invent? < 1342754456 996870 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.213.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342754457 187585 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.213.203 QUIT :Changing host < 1342754457 187738 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1342754471 171164 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PART :#esoteric < 1342754527 504287 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342754666 763094 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-57-198.eurotel.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342754800 117623 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342755036 237006 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342755167 58787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I thought maybe you would know, but if you do not know that is OK too. I invented some spells/feats such as "Object Mirroring" spell and "Favored Mercy" feat. < 1342755744 232092 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if I knew what they were, I would have invented them already < 1342755912 398380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Did you invented any? < 1342755991 302854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents Anvil Fall, the opposite of Feather Fall. not recommended for fragile characters. < 1342756015 4706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone probably already did, i guess. < 1342756045 303896 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1342756061 88602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From http://lcsgame.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lcsgame/trunk/dev/lawrefrence.cpp?revision=589&view=markup Stalinist looks like a possible outcome, but how? < 1342756095 799577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems someone used the name at least http://www.thievesguild.cc/spells/index.php?Number=808 < 1342756293 156190 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no < 1342756328 324106 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342756631 36711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK invent Anvil Fall, more specificly. < 1342756713 502219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: someone else already did in that link i gave < 1342756724 226165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure if it was d&d specifically) < 1342756737 407831 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342756750 811283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, invent it the way you invent it, I mean. < 1342756787 237586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know enough d&d to give specifics. < 1342757026 260116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my spell? < 1342757579 657047 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-48.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1342758070 810401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you give the specifics for Icosahedral RPG? < 1342758081 338688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1342758127 103305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to eliminate the d10 from Icosahedral RPG since it is not a Platonic solid, although I decided against it since d10 would be need for too many purposes. < 1342758147 885863 :kallisti_!~eris@h157.25.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342758160 152506 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342758162 560758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead, I simply mentioned in the rules that d10 is not a Platonic solid.) < 1342758275 836645 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a d10 isn't that necessary < 1342758288 108055 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a d20 can randomly select from 10 outcomes fairly < 1342758303 745719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it can, but d10 is better to make percentage rolls. < 1342758446 627047 :elliott_____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i really think you ought to give the specifics for icosahedral rpg < 1342758489 611570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION murders elliott_____. in his sleep. < 1342758551 913873 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@ip-85-163-57-198.eurotel.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342758555 923707 :elliott_____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how else will zzo38 include it < 1342758565 806490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic. < 1342758597 682358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the perspective of the game yes it is magic but from outside of the game we still need to write it down. < 1342758610 886543 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342758622 235296 :elliott_____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he has a point. < 1342758733 96441 :elliott_____!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342758761 48270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342758790 165722 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-174.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342760287 905858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now recorded the last played session of my Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1342760361 255072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things will not be revealed in this chapter... you have to wait... such as the reason why Kjugobe has purchased an afro wig < 1342760898 321642 :rvchangue!~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue JOIN :#esoteric < 1342760911 213967 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342761134 468665 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk JOIN :#esoteric < 1342761807 591568 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDoze < 1342761865 138220 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1342761955 599781 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a US comedy called 30 Rock which revolves around a TV production studio producing a TV show; it gets kind of meta sometimes. Naturally, there was Rule 34 of it. When they wanted to have an episode where the crew was Rule 34ing their show (the show in the show, that is), they hired the real porn actors. < 1342762055 567965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the real porn actors or the porn actors in the show < 1342762298 417903 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real show hired the real porn actors who did porn of the real show to play fake porn actors making fake porn of the fake show < 1342762327 433613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1342762396 906059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they were already making porn of the real show before they came up with the idea then? < 1342762432 708485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1342762448 522500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets carried away in a nice white jacket < 1342762688 120009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the heck _is_ girl genius supposed to update anyway < 1342762829 429701 :edwardk!~edwardk@pdpc/supporter/professional/edwardk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1342762833 927029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time you could reliably expect it at shortly after 4 UTC < 1342763149 707584 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all right < 1342763153 621888 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alinhs < 1342763164 931142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1342763225 819036 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not < 1342763228 189576 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fill in the rest < 1342763253 555506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not lupus < 1342763391 421479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably.) < 1342763407 867002 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Bah, screw restricting yourself to Platonic solids. < 1342763439 333198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-48.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: With cylindrical dice you can have an n-sided die, where n >= 1. < 1342764634 914112 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342764672 997698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think psychology is worse, or not? < 1342764783 926582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote someone "No, I don't believe in Astrology. I just carry my sign proudly, if for no other reason than to brag about its characteristics. (most of which don't actually apply to me) And yeah, I think psychology is worse." < 1342765039 9791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET OUT OF MY CHAIR-Picard < 1342766935 334724 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not? < 1342767102 626723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think " `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not?" is worse, or not? < 1342767145 729716 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-177.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342767160 969022 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < zzo38> Do you think " `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not?" is worse, or not? < 1342767161 529616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-156-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342767165 165658 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :849) < zzo38> Do you think " `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not?" is worse, or not? < 1342767240 720986 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342767253 279364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1342767255 997688 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom < 1342767262 150749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '849s/< / Do you think " `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not?" is worse, or not? < 1342768040 999577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is progress < 1342768087 350426 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that extra-terrestrial bodies are made of gases, solids, liquids etc < 1342768137 776068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, yes; what else would you expect them to be made of, anyways? < 1342768314 438068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can make accurate predictions about their distribution and motion, which is also progress < 1342768332 815686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1342768593 863256 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342768807 49886 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 TOPIC #esoteric :CHANNEL CURRENTLY CLOSED DUE TO GODWINNING (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH GOD WINNING) | last topic change: today | bananas not welcome unless they bring monkeys | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342768921 619806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T BELIEVE THE TOPIC IT'S ALL MONKEY PROPAGANDA < 1342769065 845287 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342769301 222297 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342770155 579620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1342770164 51541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342770247 219913 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1342770276 913234 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1342770609 523641 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's godwinning? < 1342770631 668694 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342770671 646692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : GET OUT OF MY CHAIR-Picard <-- you know, in the first episode of TNG, Picard invites Wesley to sit in his chair < 1342770754 901378 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1342770755 52596 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1342770861 345119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: application of godwin's law < 1342770871 48266 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1342770941 850474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, just before that there's this "a CHILD!? on MY BRIDGE?" moment followed by "oh, he's your [beverly's] son? go on then") < 1342770985 510681 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've seen that episode < 1342772124 124538 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342772281 19111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, now I understand what you were answering < 1342772283 421873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why the double n though, shouldn't that be spelled godwining? < 1342772320 146680 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was having trouble connecting godwin's law with wesley sitting in picard's chair < 1342772335 201046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :God-whining. < 1342772428 206153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: english doubles consonants when necessary to prevent the pronunciation rules from changing the vowels. e.g. -in is pronounced with a short i, while -ining starts with a long one, so you need -inning to keep it short. < 1342772461 595199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they don't, but that's the rule i try to follow. < 1342772510 778138 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342772570 436797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat surprising rule given that english in general doesn't seem to care about maintaining any sort of correspondence between spelling and pronunciation < 1342772589 703423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1342772624 525967 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubled letters are also pronounced differently < 1342772634 486601 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are speaking slowly < 1342772635 652696 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342772638 820731 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1342772639 406683 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going quickly they blur < 1342772661 209789 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Have Returned < 1342772681 57560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shubshub < 1342772690 110270 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342772698 392670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST CHECKING < 1342772702 338351 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog shubshub < 1342772706 927335 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342772713 747554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bot is horribly slow sometimes < 1342772719 702807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342772720 385742 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1342772724 761589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about using a diaeresis? godwinïng < 1342772730 668355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-27.txt:07:48:12: C: < 1342772734 36409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1342772743 13522 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1342772752 236956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: INDEED YOU HAVE < 1342772768 244979 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im thinking of my million dollar idea < 1342772774 217818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't think the english _do_ that. < 1342772786 13475 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with programming < 1342772810 910020 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Game Which Teaches Programming < 1342772859 505418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, but they could ... I think in swedish you can use : for that and say something like Godwin:ing (except we wouldn't -ing, we'd -otherstuff) < 1342772890 605946 :shubshub!~yaaic@199.173.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Client Quit < 1342772900 400303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :godwin'era? < 1342772904 716524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1342772908 711523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :godwin:era? < 1342772913 394511 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342772925 509712 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps godwin-era < 1342773045 630218 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says we use the colon for conjugating numbers, letters and abbreviations (and/or acronyms) < 1342773078 202898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you swedes are so strange >:) < 1342773129 773946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i do recall seeing that < 1342773176 531910 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1342773264 202460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same wikipedia page implies that we don't use the colon for names or for acronyms that are not spelled out < 1342773391 539847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kanalen avstängd på grund av godwinering" < 1342773451 322471 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-13.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342773451 473830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "godwinering"? < 1342773453 301219 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1342773453 527979 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-159-177.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1342773460 376284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: godwinning < 1342773470 609209 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I don't know what that is either < 1342773475 823403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or the God wine ring < 1342773477 666435 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :god winning over the heathens? < 1342773498 131140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how long it will be before i have an original idea < 1342773507 835573 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, does it make any sense to you? < 1342773508 784060 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you might never have an original idea < 1342773519 237502 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342773563 463807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does it make more sense if I write it godwin:ering? < 1342773571 201466 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, nope < 1342773576 339701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :godwin-ering then? < 1342773586 105840 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what "godwin" is < 1342773602 638220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I think that's the key deficiency < 1342773608 677989 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, is it a real word? < 1342773615 577976 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which language? < 1342773646 82372 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :godwin is a name < 1342773650 298894 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1342773667 999293 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the internet discussion nazi law < 1342773680 152901 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it could be a word meaning "god's victory", as in win < epic win < GODWIN < 1342773704 209831 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I thought first < 1342773726 265735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the topic explicitly says that's NOT what it means < 1342773736 783426 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the topic... *reads* < 1342773746 890302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the face... *palms* < 1342773760 62388 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342773781 775408 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why were you translating it to Swedish < 1342773825 702263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, it was the continuation of a discussion about english orthography < 1342773828 136908 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, anyway when I first saw you mention it I thought "hm, did he see that on a sign next to a channel in the city he lives in?" XD < 1342773846 802937 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, channel with water in it < 1342773870 185364 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. "Göta kanal avstängd på grund av godwinering" < 1342773876 255454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :En mann, en plan, en kanal, Panama! < 1342773897 191043 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mann with two n? What? < 1342773912 692964 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how you guys spell it? < 1342773914 223531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...darn swedes < 1342773917 609905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342773923 608236 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342773951 330354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something special with doubled consonants and ends of words in swedish < 1342773957 112719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i was aiming for swedish there, and being amused that there was no difference :( < 1342773964 664154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but there was) < 1342774020 394540 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that a quote from somewhere? < 1342774034 325525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be useful for swedish to spell it mann, to differentiate it from man meaning mane < 1342774043 411335 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1342774056 354356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A man, a plan, a canal, Panama! < 1342774067 114791 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that a quote from somewhere? < 1342774086 449686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, yes < 1342774089 737047 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342774090 285394 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw, do you write hade or hadde or something else for "had" in Norwegian? < 1342774094 573911 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isle of mann, where men are men < 1342774096 521716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadde < 1342774102 809155 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heathen ;P < 1342774135 432556 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why do you write it like it sounds it should be written! < 1342774140 968778 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1342774170 180160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is just a horrible language, we should stop using it :) < 1342774183 699711 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well i don't think there are many non-deterministic bitmaps in practice < 1342774197 506763 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my new idea < 1342774199 96718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well as a consolation, we write the _pronoun_ as "man" for some reason. < 1342774209 121193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as do you) < 1342774215 189421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said this, i want to hear more about swedish < 1342774224 869628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. don't reply < 1342774231 486468 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and what about mane? Do you write it as "man"? < 1342774244 326378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1342774279 328766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: now that's an original idea right there, I can't imagine anyone ever wanting to hear more about swedish before < 1342774281 688201 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have to leave now, guests. < 1342774296 201555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i lied, i just don't want to break the topic < 1342774309 14458 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ah, that makes more sense < 1342774317 4639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now i notice it's "katt" in swedish as well, so it's not all words... < 1342774347 465842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well bye < 1342774357 305798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only m and n do it < 1342774371 91207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in norwegian m does, but not n < 1342774382 387695 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterministic bitmaps man... i bet its all been done 40 years ago :-s < 1342774417 29984 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shaders have started doing things like that < 1342774555 56019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be historic too, you wouldn't uproot the established spellings of all those common words just because you've figured out a neat system using double consonants to indicate that the previous vowel is pronounced differently < 1342774663 734078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a lot of words that end in -nn in norwegian don't end in either of just -n or -nn in swedish. like no:vann = sv:vatten < 1342774708 640819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:tann = sv:tand < 1342774713 172364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :both a and e are short though, so maybe it should be vattenn < 1342774736 436057 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, instead of saying this pixel is red, i'm saying this pixel is a random selection of {lightred,red,darkred} < 1342774741 703775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the e isn't stressed though < 1342774806 38878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains why some common words don't have double consonants - they're almost never stressed < 1342774830 734736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that, with iterated renderings, the non-deterministic bitmap is animated < 1342774870 874643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:sønn = sv:son < 1342774908 24429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would end up looking really cool < 1342774909 487782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the e has been moving out entirely for some time, and many dialects say something like vattn or vatt'n < 1342774939 55201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from there, you're just one step away from vann < 1342774966 535470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish has kan/vill, while norwegian has kan/vil < 1342774981 904712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vatn in nynorsk, anyway < 1342774992 257353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:son has a long o btw < 1342775028 283798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's definitely not sonn misspelled, unless the current pronounciation comes from mispronouncing sonn-spelled-son < 1342775066 246619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's son in nynorsk too :P < 1342775199 790243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word seems to be so common it has had all possible spellings < 1342775207 861873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1342775208 109797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :including soon and sånn < 1342775300 423445 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to google, most people see nondeterministic rendering as a bug.. < 1342775352 413229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bug for anything that is trying to do deterministic rendering < 1342775420 235195 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9A7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342775420 755283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm apparently i'm reinventing another wheel though < 1342775524 660086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by nondeterministic bitmap, btw? < 1342775641 659128 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im an uneducated ass so i don't know the correct term < 1342775660 620642 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i merely mean that instead of having 1 colour defined for a pixel < 1342775674 101211 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a set of colours from which 1 is randomly selected < 1342775696 30512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with weighting of course *__* < 1342775764 794029 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets say on a tree, normally the pixel is {green} ... now the pixel is {95% chance of dark green, 5% chance of light green} < 1342775833 716135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that, whenever you render this tree, approximately 95% of the leaf pixels are dark green < 1342775872 363174 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you render it in iterations, the leaves will have some kind of animation effect < 1342775880 110537 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think generating and displaying noise of various kinds isn't exactly new < 1342775886 321130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.. < 1342775929 384837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i thought of doing it in 2d :D < 1342775965 156140 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again probably not new < 1342775977 591654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is as if new to me < 1342775979 152234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1342776447 309951 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i have been thinking about bitmaps more and more. noise seems to be my latest find < 1342776940 924393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For animationy things, you might want to constrain the consecutive frames somehow, since if you just treat them independently like that, you'll get the analog-TV-no-channel "snow" kind of thing (well, except green), and not many of the trees I've seen out there look exactly like that. < 1342777060 980926 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm..it could well be a really bad idea, the kind that game reviewers ponder what the hell were they thinking < 1342777156 526089 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the main problem with all this stuff i think is concern over how expensive all this kind of pixel by pixel calculation will get. but surely it can't be that bad < 1342777167 162194 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if the resolution is kept under control < 1342777400 412013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option i can consider is random palette swapping < 1342777476 896956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1342777507 536208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @_@ i might want to constrain the consecutive frames somehow < 1342777672 878689 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342777992 422898 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think noise is cool < 1342778065 223283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one fascinating aspect of noise is that if two people are exploring the same virtual world (not necessarily at the same time), then noise won't prevent them feeling it is the same world < 1342778132 652250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty all for listening < 1342778487 781221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine, for instance, comics with noise < 1342778522 321059 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the noise being synonyms selected from a thesaurus < 1342778597 399070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like fun < 1342778608 551552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do a textnoiser < 1342779689 353719 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342779707 140996 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342779741 939151 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1342779761 990501 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342779985 850992 :kallisti_!~eris@h157.25.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342780043 691032 :kallisti!~eris@h216.61.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342780044 68443 :kallisti!~eris@h216.61.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342780044 220066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342780308 778835 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342780594 998038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Mad Libs, really. < 1342780610 980470 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dimmi, dimmi se mai fu fatta cosa alcuna < 1342780759 987749 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ce n'est pas une citation da vinci < 1342780828 903010 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342780892 402436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog mad libs < 1342780899 475678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342780902 813056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog mad libs < 1342780910 769021 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342780918 884129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it is the right word < 1342780920 965759 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog mad libs < 1342780928 915752 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342780940 720781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlogs mad libs < 1342780943 678932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastlogs: not found < 1342780951 465353 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog mad libs < 1342780958 421070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1342780965 494741 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok u win hackego.. for now < 1342781015 202994 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342781270 321741 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342781294 662122 :Frooxius|TabletP!~chatzilla@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1342781322 165658 :kallisti!~eris@h119.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342781326 468135 :kallisti!~eris@h119.13.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342781326 619106 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342781435 956985 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342782283 680555 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C9A7.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342783966 228099 :kallisti_!~eris@h70.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342784156 157588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342784346 207555 :kallisti_!~eris@h70.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342784563 916157 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342784582 869884 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342784836 863312 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342784926 628603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the 4d visualization thing, the trick is to find shortcuts to visualizing.. and the way to find those shortcuts is to have a real motivating objective to visualizing 4d < 1342784949 331987 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really enough to do it for it's own sake < 1342787249 776158 :kallisti!~eris@h139.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342787250 279516 :kallisti!~eris@h139.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1342787250 430749 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1342787751 331611 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1342788214 263508 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1342788223 468315 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :my JIT assembler works like a charm < 1342788237 269519 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK wait, who told iti about 4D anything. < 1342788253 513373 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of 4d is this < 1342788274 98438 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scratch and sniff kind? < 1342788277 737394 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that's one more D than 3. < 1342788350 333209 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1342788387 852986 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:54:22: `run sed -i '849s/< /", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1342788442 621636 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A 4GL is defined as a language that supports 12–20 function points per staff month. This correlates with about 16–27 lines of code per function point implemented in a 4GL." < 1342788464 375592 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh go < 1342788464 755792 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1342788466 845504 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub came back < 1342788474 738367 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PWD < 1342788477 24287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1342788510 931422 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342788525 892013 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342788532 500280 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342788695 399072 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what? < 1342788747 237768 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342788839 988133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect 8 spellings of what, encode BF, done < 1342789388 856932 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :óĶ© < 1342789408 808776 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1342789431 194178 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1342790195 158311 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1342791783 158261 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: \rainbow{ESOLANG} < 1342791806 994329 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342791807 146202 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ESOLANG < 1342791813 225735 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!!! < 1342791815 547912 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1342791825 92710 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1342791860 344195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1342791895 93850 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it dead :( < 1342791906 273089 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342791916 461580 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow ESOLANG < 1342791917 59654 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02E03S04O05L06A07N08G < 1342791920 28239 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: celgebrate < 1342791945 884443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had a ting pimeout. < 1342792029 477153 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hapens . once i had a ting pimeout and I had to get my ting removed < 1342793351 527614 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: should i play spelunky < 1342793372 705781 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a kinda weak rainbow < 1342793381 725908 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow I'm very offended < 1342793382 503385 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02I03'04m05 06v07e08r09y02 03o04f05f06e07n08d09e02d < 1342793386 188314 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 < 1342793386 892531 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1342793396 763364 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342793399 648248 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow please apologise, kmc < 1342793400 380125 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02p03l04e05a06s07e08 09a02p03o04l05o06g07i08s09e02,03 04k05m06c < 1342793402 789338 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow < 1342793410 305624 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow2 foo < 1342793410 664516 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█7█5█4█13█6█0█15█14█1█2█12█11█10█3█9█8█ ...too much output! < 1342793481 348745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second doesn't take inputs. < 1342793487 297724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rainbow2 < 1342793487 794995 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((0)(15)(14)(1)(2)(12)(11)(10)(3)(9)(8)(7)(5)(4)(13)(6))(~^:()SSa~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a*~(█)S:^):^ < 1342793502 614082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has a handpicked color order. < 1342793542 582239 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show rainbow < 1342793542 776132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3>4+6[->+8<],[<4.>[->+>+<2]>2-[-[-[-[-[-[-[<[-]>[-]]]]]]]]<[-<+>2+<]<+>4.[-<2+>3+<]<2+2.[-]>.>2[-<+>]<2,] < 1342793554 244638 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang it that? < 1342793560 586058 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck < 1342793572 109781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's brainfuck, just with a shortcut notation. < 1342793580 744228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one just cycles 2..9 or so. < 1342793582 93404 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BF-RLE? < 1342793636 254891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of. Technically what happens is that bf input gets compiled into a bytecode where there's just "add X to tape pointer" and "add X to current cell" opcodes. < 1342793645 83178 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342793653 666041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^show then converts back but doesn't bother repeating the character, instead just displays the number. < 1342793698 216287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, it probably doesn't even take the tape-size/cell-size modulo at that point yet. < 1342793702 73960 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the number before or after the command to be repeated? < 1342793706 88365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After. < 1342793730 486155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1342793731 190964 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1342793735 944416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tmp < 1342793736 429982 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+64 < 1342793740 118844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does. < 1342793793 769563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp bf ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------------------------------------------------- < 1342793794 408779 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1342793798 337627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tmp < 1342793799 39796 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-64-64 < 1342793802 183251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy. < 1342793816 643271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think it did that. < 1342793851 742685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't combine those, though. If you put in a series of +s and -s, they get treated as separate things. < 1342794310 338946 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1342794408 431383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hullo. < 1342794437 7437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Belgiquë, if you hadn't heard. < 1342794443 763975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not for long now. < 1342794454 192912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One more week.) < 1342794472 715509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :belgy-cue < 1342794612 658034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I've understood correctly, the French-speaking part says Belgique, while the Dutch-speaking part says België maybe, so I kind of combined them. < 1342794635 77146 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"america = double continent which is made out of north&south america." < 1342794638 174210 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Gene Ray. < 1342794651 13788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342794652 382042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why exactly they say België when this keyboard doesn't even have an ë. < 1342794713 548181 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Gene Ray the timecube guy? < 1342794749 176746 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about the german-speaking part, you insensitive clod! < 1342794767 273097 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1342794767 659608 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah. < 1342794782 455735 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Before Time Cube, Otis E. Ray advocated the sport of marbles. He authored a book titled Mr. Marbles – Marbles for Everyone,[10] and got the city council of St. Petersburg, Florida to proclaim a "Marbles Week" in the 1970s. In 1987, this became a controversial attempt to establish a million dollar marble tournament inside a huge round structure and establish a philosophical "Order of the Sphere."' < 1342794788 287038 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he lost his marbles. < 1342794814 619662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, since they speak both german and french, belgium must be switzerland < 1342794848 322297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Dutch and French. < 1342794856 767104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly Dutch is kind of poor man's German. < 1342794862 749434 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :areally? < 1342794867 421312 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1342794879 980846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak it so I don't know. :p < 1342794894 678668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the locals have described it as being something between German and English. < 1342794902 862022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geographically that would make sense. < 1342794917 221270 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342794952 737293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Luxembourg, though, all the signs were in French and German. < 1342794968 887623 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird that we don't have a dutch guy here on the channel < 1342794983 361105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So I guess Luxembourg is Switzerland.) < 1342795000 656692 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're known for OCD stuff like building enormous redstone contraptions in minecraft < 1342795003 828858 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OTTD < 1342795019 521506 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indeed, and so is austria < 1342795033 380204 :MDoze!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342795057 694037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that every country is every other country, but I haven't run through all the data yet < 1342795126 176651 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342795147 996392 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1342795154 417473 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1342795156 587482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "whtspc" dude, noisy in 2009, seems to have had a .nl host. < 1342795163 987456 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1342795186 938264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some "labbekak" dude from start of June, this year. < 1342795222 728719 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7RE7DKSvKU < 1342795228 89566 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :75, 5, 10, 9, 4, 2 < 1342795230 222870 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :939 < 1342795274 494776 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342795353 377772 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countdown numbers < 1342795378 788736 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1342795380 779519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-151-13.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342795381 514657 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-166.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342795580 252608 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whtspc was the paintfuck guy. < 1342795719 321325 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck is really quite good < 1342795742 712545 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 dimensional smallfuck? < 1342795761 861239 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been studying (yeah pig's ass) bitmaps a bit < 1342795783 638525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest regret in life is my inability to study < 1342795930 8815 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100, 2, 1, 7, 9, 3 < 1342795931 792508 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :297 < 1342795937 781704 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easy one) < 1342796028 959327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (100-1)*3 < 1342796030 40524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 297 < 1342796063 993352 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3 * 100) - 2 - 1 < 1342796065 346256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 297 < 1342796171 245784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 * 100 - 9 - 1 + 7 < 1342796172 657742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 297 < 1342796190 295917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good to use more numbers? I don't know anything about this. < 1342796212 345870 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to get within 10 of the answer, the closer the better < 1342796235 118343 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wht's this? < 1342796242 285809 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Countdown < 1342796245 479870 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :British game show < 1342796259 453245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wikipedia'd it between those two sets of numbers, if you couldn't tell. < 1342796284 545661 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342796313 388933 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: There's a nice Haskell program to solve Countdown, you know. < 1342796316 698134 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the functional pearls. < 1342796323 538594 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly < 1342796360 964341 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very functionally type problem < 1342796379 984412 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 * 100 - 2 * 9 + 7 + 1 < 1342796380 719170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 290 < 1342796419 727128 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is really more of a logic programming type thing, except the cleanest implementation in Prolog gives an inefficient algorithm. < 1342796430 294921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 * 100 - 2 * 7 + 9 + 1 < 1342796431 384048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 296 < 1342796468 644703 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what-if xkcd has really gone downhill < 1342796475 651487 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1342796477 679979 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1342796480 354904 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quick < 1342796559 732523 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what are you talking about, this one is great < 1342796578 206927 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always used to think the force was unlimited < 1342796600 796558 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that if someone really wanted they could move a planet < 1342796620 809465 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, I'm moving the planet as we speak < 1342796644 547936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1342796648 223927 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the sun, it's moving < 1342796655 959713 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem rather against the themes of Star Wars to have Yoda be suddenly stopped by a vehicle that's twice the weight, yes < 1342796658 646336 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, ooh, good one < 1342796673 752092 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you stop moving it for a moment? < 1342796681 790314 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be awesome < 1342796691 228680 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it's got too much momentum now < 1342796756 540383 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the important question was 1) why can't the force be used to fly, and 2) why can't the force be used to throw people < 1342796762 30536 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: can you slow it down? < 1342796770 604031 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now, getting eggs < 1342796772 805001 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 QUIT :Quit: eggs < 1342796777 206383 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think george lucas has his reasons < 1342796944 603536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... planet was arbitrary, but in other words, i wasn't aware of any actual constraints on the force.. i guess they were implied < 1342797085 158031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinesis#Levitation and the 'Force Flight' thing below. < 1342797256 225988 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will play minecraft < 1342797658 224990 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_kick < 1342797669 269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats almost too good to be true < 1342797870 499512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a hunch, but I don't think everything in Star Wars actually is true. < 1342798188 72431 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342798209 898619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, wookiepedia has an article on breasts which gives a list of appearances < 1342798220 927832 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342798237 743904 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory alpha also has one, which is in the past tense because presumably breasts stopped existing at some point in the st canon < 1342798258 922988 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you never watch DS9? < 1342798271 648320 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes I did. < 1342798272 268637 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory alpha is set in the future where everything is destroyed < 1342798278 889984 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you are actually required to write about everything in past tense < 1342798291 243536 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all ceases to exist, the only thing left is to chronicle what was < 1342798307 12741 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep. < 1342798315 803504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342798324 133123 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the only logical conclusion is that you're searching for breasts on wikis describing sci-fi series < 1342798341 263074 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't actually remember how I got there. < 1342798342 728862 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1342798355 69765 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was probably a page link on Memory Alpha. < 1342798412 471087 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was a nice hi < 1342798488 232051 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=breast&namespace= has several plausible starting points. < 1342798610 979938 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bubble < 1342798623 925458 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as of Memory Alpha's writing bubbles still exist? < 1342798687 571582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Milk < 1342798688 734733 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_bubble also warp bubbles < 1342798694 764622 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also milk? < 1342798695 653072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so... milk still exists, but breasts don't? < 1342798703 981104 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfect world < 1342798750 378018 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When milk is heated, the amino acid in the lactose it contains is activated, acting as a natural sedative, helping one sleep." < 1342798824 567430 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Early_production_history < 1342798834 411564 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, production started in 1882 < 1342798839 298371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lambdabot < 1342798839 821123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1342798902 895956 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how weird is it that people born in the 19th century acted in Star Trek? < 1342798946 349839 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you consider that it first aired in the 60s... not very? < 1342798984 601664 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is weird that shots of Earth from space in TOS look really crappy and faked because nobody had any idea what the Earth looked like from space. < 1342799013 994211 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they look like? any pictures? < 1342799049 410907 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be arsed to find them, but it's just a geographical globe in the backdrop. < 1342799067 597678 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really flat colours, not much shading, no clouds at all. < 1342799093 88397 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK but it means there was someone old enough to have read a novel by Verne when it came out who /acted in Star Trek/. < 1342799103 432000 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't freaky to you???? < 1342799122 358072 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK that is weird. < 1342799134 576333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW the first non-birth event in that timeline I can find is in '44. < 1342800799 993016 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: OK but it means there was someone old enough to have read a novel by Verne when it came out who /acted in Star Trek/. <-- only just though < 1342800866 78053 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, there's a decade or so window < 1342800890 821265 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, some books were published post-humus < 1342800901 246539 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait I typoed that didn't I?) < 1342800923 174732 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like he wrote books until his very death < 1342800938 400069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the expression refers to topsoil, or humus. < 1342800947 685188 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1342800953 816273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's post-humus if it's published after you're on the wrong side of it. < 1342800959 111874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the word I'm looking for then < 1342800974 734971 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second < 1342801012 113561 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humous. < 1342801016 918110 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342801038 922887 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the last book seems to have been published in 1909? There is one more that wikipedia's bibliography doesn't even list a date for hm < 1342801150 621853 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which year was the first Star Trek episode recorded in? < 1342801181 775434 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :1966 it seems < 1342801205 226353 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, 1909 for the last one. (He died in 1905 though), so that means you have to be maybe 8 or 9 years old or so to read it at that point (somewhat optimistic)? So lets say someone born in 1900 then. So about 66 years old then? < 1342801230 793478 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, sure there is a window, wouldn't say that window was as large as a decade though < 1342801281 531002 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1882 birthdate, go look up jules verne's bibliography and consider ages of literacy < 1342801285 940614 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the retirement statistics for actors on the top of my head though < 1342801301 553817 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we are assuming pre-death books here < 1342801310 973256 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I know in Sweden you don't learn to read until your mid 20s but in America they may learn it as early as 15, < 1342801313 3403 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, that timeline lists the birthdate of an actor. < 1342801317 511895 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was in star trek. < 1342801318 847519 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1882. < 1342801320 897849 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342801322 564290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342801323 94598 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that < 1342801326 240039 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some dude < 1342801331 51037 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few others from the 1800s too < 1342801357 102444 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that old actors sometimes play old people < 1342801402 505745 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, well of course, but it is just as common to use makeup to add a decade or so when needed from what I understand < 1342801907 542663 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342801989 895865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Windows Server 2013 uses Metro? < 1342802035 610734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not much weirder than using a desktop… < 1342802604 209332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-242.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342802618 916074 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does a server OS need Metro? < 1342802623 107226 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-249-166.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1342803014 151727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the commute to The Cloud? < 1342803293 581070 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a bit like how you need 2 copies of the pokemon game to collect em all < 1342803309 687681 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, but you can't get Celebi! < 1342803329 732014 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. artificially difficult requirements < 1342803413 60324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like i misinterpreted this all < 1342803751 379247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the UnOlympics? < 1342803928 776267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1342803975 155632 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1342804166 885022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EPhJ < 1342804283 467995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i imagined beer would be involved < 1342804712 811995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, well it does list "beer pong" whatever that is < 1342804894 583044 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 QUIT :Quit: dinner < 1342805042 227658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means either. < 1342805097 679830 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you didn't compose the list? < 1342805205 742450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write the list but I did not write all the entries that are part of the list. < 1342805592 901763 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342805604 883114 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1342805632 965968 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342806056 969108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Beer pong is a drinking game involving ping pong balls and cups of beer. < 1342806165 436861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You bounce a ping pong ball across a table, attempting to make it land in one of the cups on the opponent's side; if you do, the opponent will have to drink that. Or something much like that, anyway. Possibly teams and many cups and other complications, but that's the basic idea. < 1342807896 665244 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1342807987 325887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho. < 1342808039 484993 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's off to < 1342808076 956161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work we go. < 1342808091 597163 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I forget what comes next. < 1342808102 204497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. < 1342808120 786017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be perfectly honest, I even googled that bit. < 1342808129 773595 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For shame. < 1342808161 914592 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Foshame. < 1342808166 521047 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient warrior Foshame. < 1342808534 289011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think of something to the tune of "and his trusty sidekick Shum Ting", but couldn't figure out any expression that'd inherently go with "for shame". < 1342808574 223981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tonight's main event at the Coliseum: Foshame Versus The Tiger < 1342808624 509433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foshame with an athame. < 1342808715 899207 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342808888 600526 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the next line is "with sticks and spades and hand grenades" but I may be remembering some different lyrics from my days at primary school. < 1342808943 226676 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.213.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342808943 684325 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@125.34.213.203 QUIT :Changing host < 1342808943 835968 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1342808944 967392 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not remembering the next line because it's just whistling X_X < 1342808972 622480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google-hit I read has it continue with we dig dig dig dig and so on. < 1342808987 604783 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We dig dig dig dig and so on / and then we eat a scone. < 1342808989 768083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly they've omitted the whistling. < 1342809283 265009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's annoyance: MATLAB Distributed Computing Server, supposedly the fanciest thing since sliced bread, is apparently impossible to use without having access to the MATLAB GUI desktop, because you can only manage parallel execution configurations using the graphical Configurations Manager. < 1342809318 421171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using MATLAB. < 1342809321 875060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was your first mistake. < 1342809329 209792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also Atlassian Confluence shows/hides the sidebar whenever the windows key is pressed, so it keeps flipping open and closed whenever I switch workspaces, but that's a minor annoyance.) < 1342809345 671005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have a choice. < 1342809426 257995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code I need to run is MATLAB code, and the official word (according to docs, enforced by license-related means) is that all that stuff needs to go through the MDCS, because the MDCS is so fancy, and presents an entirely new kind of interactive workflow. < 1342809434 793753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a quote.) < 1342809489 192433 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342809510 294037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to ssh -XY a remotely accessible shell server, and then ssh -XY from there to the cluster frontend, but the desktop wouldn't open. It gets the windows open, writes "Initializing..." in the corner indicator dealie, and then sits there for at least half an hour. < 1342809538 913637 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pls How to use im New here < 1342809574 180319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I tried to run Xvnc or something on a computer that's geographically near the cluster frontend, in the hopes that I could get the X forwarding to work from there, but our Linux distribution doesn't include (a) a VNC server, or (b) enough -dev packages to compile one. < 1342809588 486458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Browkling < 1342809592 234414 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browkling: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1342809596 725941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that wasn't exactly helpful. < 1342809608 354712 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Browkling < 1342809611 876596 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BROWKLING: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1342809631 875492 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Browkling < 1342809635 470181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrOwKlInG: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1342809652 567105 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browkling: ni < 1342809653 846010 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hi < 1342809666 145940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew. I was kind of afraid the wide thing was coming next. < 1342809670 685481 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Isn't -Y the same as -XY? < 1342809675 788040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Did you ping me? < 1342809701 542104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Probably, now that you mention. The official instructions mention -XY, that's why I went with it, but that's probably just stupidity. < 1342809731 571066 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pls How CAN i see pepoele here < 1342809757 557842 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im on i phone < 1342809767 954960 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browkling, you can ask for pictures, but they mightn't give you them. < 1342809776 754920 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browkling: IRC is text-only chat, I'm afraid < 1342809786 569951 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok thanks < 1342809792 238479 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's site has photos, photos of fizzie exist but they need a fair bit of stalking to find. < 1342809818 792201 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various others have posted an image or two but you need to crawl the logs. < 1342809835 953566 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Phantom_Hoover keeps track of these things < 1342809880 86950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously; I need to know what people look like so I can discern their character flaws from their appearance. < 1342809904 759587 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :photos of me can be found at http://rand.smar.fi/miitti/misc/Nortti < 1342809923 506702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like this: /)^3^(\ < 1342809940 779858 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is the hat < 1342809951 70725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ah, your character flaw is that you are a young girl. < 1342809962 22642 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am a boy < 1342809975 402608 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also is 14 young? < 1342809978 61248 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case your character flaw is a phobia of hairdressers. < 1342809983 781411 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1342810046 508733 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover clearly did not see my hair before its cutting < 1342810050 528649 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__ looks like a young girl too, perhaps you could be friends and talk about ponies and makeup and such? < 1342810059 988310 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342810071 712100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, hey. < 1342810076 2344 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Talking about ponies is for men. < 1342810109 179678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone can talk about ponies if you want, why should your gender matter? < 1342810131 467611 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve. < 1342810140 376718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1342810141 249237 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not interested in ponies < 1342810154 781337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1342810180 384105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it was not to be < 1342810603 472598 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342810614 361605 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: are you the little girl? < 1342810620 224338 :sleepopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1342810622 407475 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepopol: no < 1342810630 70036 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you the nerd? < 1342810641 104092 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say so < 1342810644 764789 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342810657 505687 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://websplat.bitbucket.org/ Because PONIES IN YOUR INTERWEBS THAT'S WHY < 1342810673 824238 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nortti troll enough to weaponize gender ambiguity? < 1342810694 264191 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not usually < 1342810698 875101 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by little girl i meant this guy http://rand.smar.fi/miitti/misc/Nortti/DSC_0380.JPG < 1342810721 926649 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have misparsed the first picture a bit. < 1342810764 439353 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1342810795 288135 :Browkling!~browkling@105.152.111.15 QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1342810818 308272 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-250-207.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute ears. < 1342810827 438891 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I am the one with the cat ears < 1342810849 754682 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets nortti :3 < 1342810851 189409 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look a bit young. < 1342810859 795673 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 14 < 1342810870 573038 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1342810871 724326 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :W-Wait. < 1342810876 998697 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I'm not the youngest anymore? < 1342810878 835980 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1342810901 139070 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: how old are you? < 1342810911 803587 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :15, now 16 :< < 1342811191 861025 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342811240 248209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponies in the lightning, in the lightning < 1342811363 933839 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: so i guess you are not in a university then? < 1342811416 575023 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: when did you join the first time? < 1342811420 416023 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1342811463 260662 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1342811481 525174 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you believe I was in a university? < 1342811495 710919 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1342811499 711022 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glomps nortti :3 < 1342811539 419680 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it all the more painful to be 30 and still be the dumbest in the room < 1342811560 618962 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: why did you say "Nope." ? < 1342811651 404047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really painful < 1342811655 627674 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : Madoka-Kaname: when did you join the first time? < 1342811656 286945 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh-- < 1342811657 242321 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I didn't read the "When" < 1342811659 938681 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1342811661 403624 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno!! < 1342811666 67264 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, a year or two ago? < 1342811687 515924 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I really haven't seen you talking that much < 1342811756 659039 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: somehow i thought you were < 1342811775 279349 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: also you have pretty interesting cloak (~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan) < 1342811785 339399 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why? < 1342811819 743493 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because you don't really disclose much about yourself so i make my own assumptions. dunno. < 1342811820 463343 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed nortti was just another run-of-the-mill-esolang-phd < 1342811871 739207 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1342811913 193715 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname: is cirno-chan reference to touhou? < 1342811921 460515 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1342811922 716990 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's. < 1342811925 691500 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A really old username. < 1342811930 888546 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently still my accountname. < 1342811969 946679 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madoka-Kaname is reference to Puella magi madoka magica I suppose < 1342811998 268619 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^; < 1342812501 312133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, being in a university, automatically assumes everyone else is, too. < 1342812669 284797 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oklopol is unable to shake the problem that there aren't 7 billion roles to play in universities < 1342812693 914467 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can shake ANYTHING < 1342812694 594336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's life outside universities? A weird concept. < 1342812712 392392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shake that problem! < 1342812712 543879 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so today i cited LifeWiki in an academic paper < 1342812719 493542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives oklopol a big enough shaker < 1342812807 349934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i'm proud of that last post < 1342812817 592353 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1342812863 150304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it it Archimedes who said that with a big enough shaker, he'd shake the world? < 1342812870 261213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it // < 1342812893 392153 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ayn rand? < 1342812904 912215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s/th/ < 1342812927 472075 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i'm proud of that last post either < 1342812979 484124 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a big enough shaker and a place to sit and i will name an ordered field after myself whenever the naturals are cofinal in it < 1342813008 778282 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342813038 213698 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342813166 87254 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf . < 1342813305 306881 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf indeed < 1342813448 543824 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sit here (not gonna recommend actually clicking because its a random place) http://goo.gl/maps/SYuh < 1342813692 144335 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342813723 823758 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@123.118.114.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342813726 531960 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@123.118.114.103 QUIT :Changing host < 1342813726 683231 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1342813781 881996 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1342813807 290543 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1342813811 63530 :Lymee!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan NICK :Madoka-Kaname < 1342813836 274069 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coffeyville < 1342813854 563304 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds caffinated. < 1342813964 123411 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342814248 555701 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1342814423 193644 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342814425 865524 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjd < 1342814429 663722 :blom!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi NICK :oklopol < 1342814660 371719 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: You bounce a ping pong ball across a table, attempting to make it land in one of the cups on the opponent's side; if you do, the opponent will have to drink that. Or something much like that, anyway. Possibly teams and many cups and other complications, but that's the basic idea. <-- did you speak from personal experience or did you just google it? < 1342814912 958650 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: also is 14 young? <-- the "girl" with a white shirt with some green thing on it? < 1342814936 108741 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is me < 1342814946 353285 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the actual game is very close to what fizzie described < 1342814962 597021 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not interested in ponies <-- riiight, I don't know what http://rand.smar.fi/miitti/misc/Nortti/DSC_0368.JPG is though < 1342814966 990657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't WANT to know < 1342814969 165261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm *sure* there are many variants of this game, the only real goal is to drink beer after all < 1342815012 98244 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: I am the one with the cat ears <-- that is kind of scarier than ponies < 1342815022 329443 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that scary < 1342815046 671951 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know < 1342815066 735469 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's obviously embracing his cuteness < 1342815076 632208 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is scary yes < 1342815082 371001 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1342815095 652552 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should embrace what you have < 1342815117 799198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Vorpal is sad that he hasn't found the courage to embrace yet < 1342815122 718352 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glass < 1342815135 757995 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, XD < 1342815153 339173 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know not what this omen may portend < 1342815161 528590 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you know what, I think both nortti and elliott are trolling us and they are really both girls. It is the ultimate troll of the "young girls on the internet are actually old males" stereotype. < 1342815226 453625 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf . < 1342815229 45551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old males have left a hole now populated by the young girls on the internet? < 1342815258 770853 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342815259 994569 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1342815264 168042 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-17.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342815266 349744 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, possibly. Further studies are needed to ascertain if there are still any older males left on the internet < 1342815275 665678 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sali Taneb. < 1342815283 803058 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sali"!? < 1342815286 122225 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, apart from oerjan < 1342815288 742853 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of language is that!? < 1342815309 754337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one my kind speaks. < 1342815316 74985 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... Swiss? < 1342815319 379160 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1342815323 979692 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: why do you find everything so weird today? < 1342815336 436793 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel attracts weirdness. < 1342815338 87792 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has some clear romance influences < 1342815344 434215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But today it's way off limits :) < 1342815354 375919 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw the movie Detention < 1342815356 912564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: you must be new here :) < 1342815357 460134 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that picture is one of the people at putkamiitti helping me with putting on those cat ears < 1342815357 776090 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty weird < 1342815377 326179 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: do you always wear cat ears? < 1342815378 788045 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, who/what are "putkamiitti"? < 1342815410 314697 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ohjelmointiputka, programming jail, is a finnish programming community website place. < 1342815411 832752 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: annual meeting of people on #ohjelmointiputka / ohjelmointiputka.net < 1342815446 418015 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "ohjelmointiputka" is a real Finnish word? Wow, you are truly excelling and producing words no one else can pronounce < 1342815456 534 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1342815458 346006 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually somewhat active there at nortti's age. i think. < 1342815469 396619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not personal experience, but I've heard about it before. < 1342815474 986029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1342815476 261438 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't finnish the language with more cases one can count with his hands? < 1342815482 842469 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: at the site or at the irc channel? < 1342815486 94655 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and right, miitti = meet = meeting < 1342815487 798157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish people have unusually many fingers. < 1342815490 617689 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman, depends how you count < 1342815500 89594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how so? < 1342815502 967974 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possibly to get at least 1024 on fingers < 1342815514 294139 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1342815517 706842 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: at the site, i didn't know about irc back then. < 1342815518 583535 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :literal translation of putkamiitti is jail meeting < 1342815519 280396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: googling for putkamiitti actually finds the same picture nortti posted, linked from the osdev forums < 1342815519 644446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know how. < 1342815524 941906 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ouch < 1342815525 93484 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go with 10. < 1342815535 862751 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i may have just had a modem connection. < 1342815551 770045 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so irc would've been expensive < 1342815594 144365 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, pay per connected minute < 1342815595 419594 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1342815608 31676 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1342815613 192446 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@184-97-228-13.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342815619 526211 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess not *that* active < 1342815630 521740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns and fingers: 2011-12-18 00:34:41 "Too many fingers / have I got in my hand / I think there happened a creature / an alien creature" -- paraphrasing some Finnish song lyrics. < 1342815642 167313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Third time I quote that.) < 1342815657 556607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's always as appropriate.) < 1342815698 759122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hotel interwebs from my St. Petersburg conference trip were done with dialup. So retro. < 1342815703 76219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also so expensive. < 1342815720 527949 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have too many fingers. < 1342815721 12523 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that was strange, my mobile phone operator sent an SMS warning for thunderstorms in my area, and suggesting I unplug electronics. This happened a few hours ago and I didn't notice the SMS until now. There was never any thunderstorm though (though there were some pretty thunderish clouds.) < 1342815759 912057 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never sent such SMS before. < 1342815793 937 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then who was SMS? < 1342815807 488379 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what < 1342815823 53959 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I typo something? < 1342815830 51014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google 'then who was phone'. < 1342815903 119439 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I presume it was the operator. I just find it strange they started doing that < 1342815922 603377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.creepypasta.com/yeah-so-quit-asking/ < 1342815997 10605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should allow "call" instructions in LLVM to be marked volatile. As well as supporting a marker that says it is a standard C99 function. Sometimes it perform C99 optimization but it should not do so, so instead make it a metadata or something like that to indicate if it is a standard C99 function or not. < 1342816024 99284 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what is a volatile call? < 1342816044 193039 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be reordered relative other instructions? < 1342816050 228654 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I would presume it meant < 1342816069 780782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would mean, cannot be removed or reordered relative to other volatile instructions < 1342816076 551397 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342816077 343294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as volatile means for load/store < 1342816083 593710 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1342816094 552874 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what would you use it for though? < 1342816111 604249 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean do you have something right now where you absolutely need that feature? < 1342816133 303519 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not like we are on the LLVM design committee, we can't do anything about it. < 1342816135 609199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly for assembly language calls, although there can be other uses too < 1342816218 774369 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vaguely sad that Adobe Atmosphere has been discontinued < 1342816247 277837 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1342816279 924997 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I used to like exploring worlds made in Adobe Atmosphere < 1342816288 456486 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow, it was discontinued in 2004 < 1342816292 157889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly feel old < 1342816377 924701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many young girls on #esoteric, that's just natural. < 1342816447 417601 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1342816475 943020 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many? < 1342816495 542446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least two from what I've heard. < 1342816519 286595 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 if you count Madoka-Kaname who's actually female. < 1342816547 55954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 if tiffany had continued to darken our days. < 1342816636 936942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Taneb looks a bit like a girl so that makes 5 < 1342816663 969646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of you wears cat ears? < 1342816680 929223 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past Taneb. < 1342816713 506048 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wear sometimes so that is at least one < 1342816714 601892 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you wear cat ears? < 1342816720 919705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no cat ears. < 1342816721 72478 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those kinda like hats < 1342816764 780613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've a pair but I'm not sure they fit me well. < 1342816778 846592 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Taneb uploaded photos of him(?)self? < 1342816787 836789 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I don't remember seeing a photo of you < 1342816814 626119 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why do you have a pair? < 1342816817 916937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: phantom hoovers don't stick on photos < 1342816819 201029 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a Finnish "thing"? < 1342816822 177560 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a vampire, I don't show up in photos. < 1342816829 521329 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had the opportunity to wear cat ears < 1342816858 344110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You never know when a pair might come handy. (Actually they're from Disneyland.) < 1342816890 585883 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat ears? < 1342816892 914432 :Madoka-Kaname!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun < 1342816893 84643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Microsoft made a loss last quarter < 1342816893 750584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Have you had Spock ears? < 1342816897 730442 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1342816921 958324 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot recall ever having worn false ears, Spock, cat, or otherwise < 1342816924 893882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat ears, car eats. < 1342816940 853119 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owning such a thing would make you a FILTHY ELF SYMPATHISER who must be HOUNDED FROM SOCIETY < 1342816946 197473 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karkat eats ears? < 1342816957 345736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a cat on a car in a backyard I walked past the other day. < 1342816979 19820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have taken a picture, but the house's occupant just walked out, so it would've felt a bit impolite. < 1342817032 110524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just heard we actually also have a pair of hobbit ears, and a pair of bunny ears. So we're well stocked in the ears department. < 1342817059 755281 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hobbit ears? < 1342817059 943382 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought hobbits just have people ears. < 1342817100 14515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, Microsoft made a loss last quarter <-- how large? < 1342817101 915998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google image search suggests they're kinda sharp-cornery but not quite as pointy as elf ears. < 1342817119 726868 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the losses= < 1342817121 424711 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342817122 339418 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1342817125 39999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.wetanz.com/assets/Uploads/lotrearsfrodoblrg.jpg < 1342817159 615031 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just heard we actually also have a pair of hobbit ears, and a pair of bunny ears. So we're well stocked in the ears department. <-- why? from where? < 1342817175 878793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose just in case, if we needed ears. < 1342817182 811338 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1342817186 262985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you hear better with some? < 1342817216 329695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the shape of the outer ear actually makes quite a difference in terms of what the signals look like. < 1342817228 567616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're not quite just superfluous flabs of meat. < 1342817246 161282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose the ears we have have been designed with that in mind though. < 1342817252 904160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more likely it's an aesthetic thing. < 1342817268 325412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, apparently the finns have an obsession with ears... do you collect them in buckets too? < 1342817294 98063 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, why buckets specifically? < 1342817307 438604 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway buckets are just like XXL ears < 1342817340 921107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you want details, apparently the bunny ears were for a may day thing ("May Day is known as Vappu, from the Swedish term. This is a public holiday that is the only carnival-style street festivity in the country. People young and old, particularly students, party outside, picnic and wear caps or other decorative clothing.") and the hobbit ears just because. < 1342817359 625494 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw who is tiffany? < 1342817380 439089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that one of elliott's many girlfriends? I've lost track of them. < 1342817539 88270 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay < 1342817550 133282 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't know what Swedish term that is < 1342817559 495360 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we do that stuff over here < 1342817574 330262 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he means valborg < 1342817577 969962 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1342817585 571144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valborgsmässoafton. < 1342817586 794509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1342817595 369279 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well I never seen anyone wear bunny ears on such occasions < 1342817611 491732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the word "Vappu" is not very similar :) < 1342817634 934878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Matches /^va/. < 1342817641 241428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, /^va/i anyway. < 1342817677 389587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And May Day celebrations vary quite a lot from one country to another, possibly even more than for average public holidays. < 1342817688 590703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland it seems to be mostly about drinking. < 1342817712 646432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matches the swedish version very well < 1342817714 811717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the student caps. < 1342817723 608866 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, first of may is generally the left wing parties having large demonstrations here though < 1342817734 581824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the day before that is about drinking for some < 1342817736 288549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe we've adopted our cap traditions from you guys. < 1342817765 249299 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mashed together a group of separate traditions into a single one? < 1342817768 790969 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heathens ;) < 1342817774 91130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the day before when we celebrate, too. Though they do have some left-leaning things also on that day. < 1342817782 277824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: loss = negative profit < 1342817810 144692 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how much loss? < 1342817821 94709 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for MS < 1342817824 99397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "The Uppsala cap is traditionally only worn only in summer, from Walpurgis Night until the end of September. In Lund, the white cap is also donned at Walpurgis and taken off in the fall, but students can exchange it for a winter variant with a dark blue crown during the rest of the year." It sounds like you have the caps related to that day too, so I'm not sure what you're complaining ... < 1342817830 610677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... about. < 1342817835 28377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: news report doesn't say, trying to look it up now < 1342817839 285657 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Walpurgis"? < 1342817841 273405 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1342817845 118775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$492 million < 1342817846 497582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The English word for it. < 1342817850 485214 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1342817857 199970 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for MS that isn't a lot < 1342817871 899023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it paid $6.3 million for a company which turned out to be worth only $100,000 < 1342817876 962419 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to their accountants, at least < 1342817884 497708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps it's a complex tax dodge more than anything else < 1342817915 426179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also note traditionally. No one ever wears the student cap thingy except during "studenten" (however you translate that) and maybe a couple of more times these days < 1342817923 82288 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not an everyday headwear < 1342817941 2698 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh, which company is that < 1342817951 774415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was rather < 1342817951 933372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "graduation", perhaps? (graduation = a ceremony where students who've passed their exams are officially made into bachelors/masters/doctors) < 1342817968 611179 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err, it is like the graduation out of high school < 1342817969 334848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aQuantive < 1342817973 905 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you start university < 1342817975 199665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you may be confused about the two different kinds of student caps < 1342817977 249154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who I've never heard of < 1342817984 139319 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there is more than one? < 1342817984 290676 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1342817990 770552 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did they do? < 1342818006 525394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not everyday here either, but since May Day is the first day when you "can" wear it, it's commonly worn then. (Not that everyone bothers.) < 1342818024 495100 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342818027 88960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be at least three I think, one for the high school students graduation, one for university students (summer cap), and that winter cap < 1342818030 714603 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342818044 96003 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm, I never seen those other two < 1342818067 188576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fwiw, in this city the university students all use the blue cap, and seem to wear it whenever they want to < 1342818075 677144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have winter variants. But on May Day, the high school graduates wear their cap, while university students from places that do the cap thing wear theirs. < 1342818089 204910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I haven't managed to bother getting mine yet. < 1342818115 228607 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais523 oklopol: loss = negative profit" i was referring to "Google image search suggests they're kinda sharp-cornery but not quite as pointy as elf ears." < 1342818125 853092 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which losses could totally be < 1342818129 936084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a kind of a tassel. < 1342818175 14859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people don't bother, mostly because it involves tying around hundreds of knots on small pieces of string making up the tuft < 1342818178 317010 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, which city is that? < 1342818195 768874 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1342818200 253887 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised i was in here for a reason < 1342818201 66655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Linköping < 1342818201 943250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/TFteknolog.jpg < 1342818232 250181 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric < 1342818232 765675 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that hat porn < 1342818246 453552 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1342818252 290829 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can just ignore everyone in the channel except for join/parts < 1342818257 30664 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that possible < 1342818258 818039 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1342818259 362277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I would assume you've seen a teekkarilakki before. < 1342818260 771921 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using xchat < 1342818320 84195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: I think that should be possible, but you'll need to look up the /ignore syntax yourself. Anyway, I seem to recall it had a "level" style argument, and then it does wildcards (maybe regexps too) so you can make it match everyone. < 1342818321 705169 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah < 1342818325 697044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the user mode +D do that, or does it ignore join/parts too? < 1342818345 705744 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That sounds annoying. < 1342818349 388008 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I hate either Linköping or Lindköping. I haven't decided which one yet. But I keep confusing their names < 1342818353 620109 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody say anything stupid, OK? < 1342818358 503396 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thta's probaly t he simplest solut ion < 1342818363 680833 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Hey. < 1342818403 844155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lindköping doesn't exist < 1342818420 224394 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What's up? < 1342818429 271487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: vacation! < 1342818431 830621 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wut. < 1342818446 162641 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps not < 1342818447 939351 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I seen that written in many places < 1342818451 225677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you may be confusing it with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidköping < 1342818457 69784 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oh right < 1342818463 163683 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: How's your OS? < 1342818477 548542 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my os are great < 1342818478 82529 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1342818478 314387 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1342818478 548058 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1342818481 374652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: last time I checked it was doing message passing between processes < 1342818496 732975 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is it available anywhere? < 1342818497 85821 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm glad there isn't a lindköping as well then, that would be even more confusing < 1342818497 680467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well perhaps you should CATCH IT THEN aha ah haha haa. < 1342818512 358628 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Ah, I see, it is a very backwards design. In @ we do not have message passing or processes. In fact @ does not even do *anything*! < 1342818534 141940 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, so what makes it go? < 1342818536 738117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does @ exist? < 1342818540 720833 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who says it goes? < 1342818559 334961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Prince @ in a can? (I think a joke goes like this.) < 1342818562 848443 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1342818565 559362 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, I guess if that is not in your feature list you shouldn't have any issues < 1342818566 465027 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: how do you do anything with @ ? < 1342818573 87680 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1342818574 701286 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Why would you want to? < 1342818622 324524 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Of course not. < 1342818632 714931 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well even I am aiming to make my bytecode kernel based OS somewhat usable < 1342818640 421797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was working on the VM stuff when I realized there was nowhere the VM code could get memory from to map it into address spaces, so I had to do side-track into message passing < 1342818701 789018 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so it is protected address space OS? < 1342818705 692886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1342818741 173070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :microkernel:ish, for every thing I do it ends up closer and closer to just being an L4 clone < 1342818756 422309 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYou know L4 is bad because it has features. @ doesn't have those. < 1342818759 27962 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-L < 1342818766 782182 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. my os is shared address space < 1342818800 353999 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(protection is done in the bytecode interpreter < 1342818802 935924 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1342818823 128720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: L4 is also bad because it already exists, and me making a worse version of L4 will not help anyone :) < 1342818824 93213 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: That's just like @ except worse. < 1342818837 827887 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With @ everything runs in ring 0 but also it does not use an interpreter! < 1342818846 367784 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why? < 1342818852 893797 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's better. < 1342818858 429813 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, not a JIT? < 1342818868 302772 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Vorpal knows @'s design is great. < 1342818881 559245 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, to be frank I don't remember the design of @ any longer < 1342818887 230578 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was forgettable ;P < 1342818906 360878 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wow you suck. < 1342818908 261385 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows user. < 1342818912 330483 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not currently. it is split to asmkernel (in native code) and forthkernel (in bytecode). asmkernel contains the bytocede interpreter < 1342818921 392675 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, not really, currently I'm on all Linux < 1342818923 447238 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is a thing that still doesn't exist yet? < 1342818928 831030 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, I only dual boot once in a while < 1342818946 10446 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: is the design of @ available somewhere? < 1342818955 681758 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember it didn't have applications or something < 1342818956 863622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, what did they do? <--- advertising, it seems < 1342818957 429159 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, the logs of this channel < 1342818961 454025 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1342818967 485100 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when? < 1342818974 478784 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, @'s design is available in elliott__. < 1342818984 362300 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1342818986 720051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything runs in ring 0 and not use an interpreter? Does it do security? The only way I can think to make such a thing secure against processes damaging other processes and interfering with debuggers and so on, is to build the hardware around that idea. < 1342818993 591118 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a building in Corbridge) < 1342819020 751040 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *You're* a building in Corbridge. < 1342819023 880114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it works by only running things that have been compiled via a compiler that's guaranteed not to produce unsafe code < 1342819053 407631 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSVO guaranteed.) < 1342819064 441239 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually there are some fairly good ways to run untrusted native code in an @ model safely.) < 1342819074 860668 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__, is nortti a city in Espoo?) < 1342819078 742259 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But they get you back something close to the overhead that standard OSes have for syscalls, though.) < 1342819093 59711 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The main performance advantage @ gets is that syscalls are free.) < 1342819100 299365 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1342819105 530453 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm reminded of dmr's version of the cc < 1342819105 961382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Kauniainen is a city in Espoo (which is also a city). < 1342819118 5729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was dmr, anyway < 1342819119 329847 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight, everyone < 1342819120 344978 :Taneb!~Taneb@78.146.167.0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1342819122 169354 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-136-242.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342819136 553836 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: are you referring to Reflections on Trusting Trust? < 1342819141 73471 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1342819150 281355 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cc that inserted a backdoor when compiling 'login', and inserted the backdoor insertion code when compiling itself < 1342819160 820972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trusting-trust attacks are really really fragile < 1342819176 530865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defeated by a change to the relevant code in the compiler, or by the use of a different compiler < 1342819190 694390 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's still a really cute idea < 1342819196 337372 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also they're counterable, although the process is so involved that nobody would bother) < 1342819202 648776 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it is a beautiful trick < 1342819212 637114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly even noticeable via automated testing, if an old and new versions of the compiler are generating different code < 1342819216 484249 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, to put it simply, a hack < 1342819223 653573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the process is only involved if you're trying to get 100% security < 1342819235 612999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply compiling it with a different compiler is good enough against all attacks that don't specifically deal with that < 1342819259 53993 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wonder if they could be made somewhat resilient to such things though. Maybe by patching the OS itself rather than the compiler, having it insert the relevant code when it detects the kernel is being compiled and so on < 1342819279 665519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I have read about that; and then I thought about writing a BASIC compiler in C, and then a C compiler in BASIC, and then recompile the C compiler with that and then recompile 'login' < 1342819284 679804 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be really fun would be a retrovirus - if you know of a compiler bug that allows you to mangle the compiler's intermediate representation by feeding it suitably-crafted input < 1342819288 446819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that "relevant code" requires you to know what the produced code from a specific binary is, in every possible compiler < 1342819302 199626 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342819318 162272 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that could even handle patching kernel images being copied into the system after having been compiled elsewhere to some degree. Sure you can break that still. < 1342819329 235955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you detect something's a compiled version of login(8)? < 1342819366 675782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wher the bit in the code that does validation is? < 1342819378 389064 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you target the kernel I think it is easier to do such detection. You could make the kernel detect if anyone put something like a bzImage into /boot for example and patch it on the fly at that point. < 1342819379 510863 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it calls all of some set of syscalls it might be detectable < 1342819400 975178 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :login(8) presumably calls getpwd() and friends and some kind of crypt function, what else must it call? < 1342819404 308464 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no need to touch the compiler at all even. A somewhat different attack sure < 1342819409 231824 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar though < 1342819429 393708 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.211.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly loses interest < 1342819439 595027 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, I suspect it calls pam on modern systems < 1342819444 245479 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth @'s design has flaws not shared by unix and i do not believe they are so irrelevant as in my naive youth < 1342819446 50389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what patch do you use, though? < 1342819451 729255 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unix is still a bad design and @ has some good points to it < 1342819458 198755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't write a kernel patch that causes logins with a particular username/password to succeed < 1342819472 574064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without knowing the details of login < 1342819495 712685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Making everything compiled using a compiler that's guaranteed not to produce unsafe code, is one way. But I also was building some hardware, some ideas, although it may not be x86 (it may be ARM), everything runs in ring 0 and not use an interpreter, although the memory management unit and other hardware is designed to make it secure, ... < 1342819537 824014 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm true < 1342819555 525259 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but wouldn't the code be able to disable the security as it runs in ring 0? < 1342819558 590348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... so that, for example, the software cannot damage the hardware, cannot load a virus, cannot corrupt the system (much of which is stored in ROM anyways), cannot make arbitrary reads or jumps into the BIOS (it must use NMI to access the BIOS), etc < 1342819573 676415 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could do stuff like making a certain key combo on the terminal perform something < 1342819595 46482 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott______________: hai < 1342819600 694696 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but how could it prevent apps from stomping on each other's memory < 1342819602 872515 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, such as starting sh as root < 1342819607 397012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No, because the hardware which controls the security would trigger NMIs and the NMI is locked to the BIOS. < 1342819616 43720 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: declare your allegiance to 41qys-crawl < 1342819672 380562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It is a single-tasking system, the only other tasks that can run are the BIOS and a debugger. The debugger can access everything, but the memory management unit prevents it from being accessed by the main task, so it can only be accessed by NMI. < 1342819685 398329 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1342819713 734945 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER! < 1342819714 707922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(However, this also means, you always need to trigger NMI whenever you want to make a BIOS call; this should be OK since the program would not need to normally make a lot of BIOS calls) < 1342819727 453700 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: do it < 1342819873 66645 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what use is a single task system these days? < 1342819893 6457 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well DOS is still usable < 1342819906 857785 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo < 1342819925 416749 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo? < 1342819956 836540 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real-time systems are sometimes single task. < 1342819969 686445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even though the BIOS will be slow due to this and other checks the BIOS makes when being called (although like I said it would not need to be called many times in one second or anything like that), it also means that if the user upgrades the BIOS ROM, the program cannot refuse to run just because the serial number is different or because the user modified the BIOS to break the copy protection of the program, or whatever other reason. < 1342820022 520754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another advantage of single-task is that no relocatable binaries are needed, and the memory image can just be saved to disk and continued later on if you wanted to. < 1342820029 505873 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo. < 1342820037 164694 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, for what tasks? < 1342820046 60805 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and fsvo means "for some values of" < 1342820048 715128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, it is real-time, too. < 1342820077 408523 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it has TCP/IP stack, links2 port and gcc < 1342820096 100438 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, right? < 1342820108 202136 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that is indeed fsvo < 1342820244 778334 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342820287 111294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hardware and BIOS is designed for many things, one of which is to thwart copy protection. < 1342820323 94516 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1342820330 970213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because copy protection and DRM is also considered a kind of malware. < 1342820348 95948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Haven't I already described it? < 1342820355 257015 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that one < 1342820378 623280 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea how it prevents malware from running btw < 1342820423 457618 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :your design sounds like it would simplify DRM < 1342820441 789475 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the hardware manufacturer that is < 1342820463 183977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The software cannot easily just tell the user to install that software's BIOS or whatever since that would require the user to open up the computer and move some jumpers. < 1342820478 470734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, we protect against that with trademarks. < 1342820499 963630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as keeping the hardware design 100% open. < 1342820549 185832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone building a clone of our system includes DRM but says it is compatible anyways, we can sue them for trademark violation. < 1342820579 90260 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does it prevent DRM in user software? < 1342820616 124146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is part of what the BIOS does; haven't I explained that already? < 1342820651 925393 :MSleep!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1342820678 485172 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I have no idea how you'd break compatibility with DRM'd software withou breaking compatibilyti with everything else < 1342820706 932621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: It already does break compatibility with everything else that is not specifically designed for this computer (unless you use an emulator). < 1342820750 45955 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes but I mean when someone writes DRM'd software for it < 1342820755 260872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The debugger can only be given by root permissions, and for the user to even have root permissions requires moving jumpers, which would make it difficult for a third party software vendor to tell the user to move them, especially if there is a warning in the case. < 1342820779 418209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The idea is that they would find that difficult to do. < 1342820788 585103 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342820810 5679 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about software calling home for verification? < 1342820852 309036 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was tihnking it would be neat to have a system sort of liek that, only instead of moving jumpers, you'd have the operating system in a special slot that only allows reading. < 1342820859 38671 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Well, we protect against that with trademarks. <-- ? < 1342820859 953751 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1342820897 921515 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to change it you'd need to have a second drive, wite the new vesion to that and physically swap them. < 1342820904 872891 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : The debugger can only be given by root permissions, and for the user to even have root permissions requires moving jumpers, which would make it difficult for a third party software vendor to tell the user to move them, especially if there is a warning in the case. <-- so a hardware vendor implementing this platform could just remove said jumpers from the retail version < 1342820906 872343 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant DRM < 1342820916 851078 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as bad as iphone < 1342820955 814382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Although that is not prevented, you could crack the security without too much difficulty once it has been verified once, by capturing the packets and record the memory, and then modify the BIOS to pretend about those thing. In addition, if they claimed that their software was compatible with our system if they used that kind of verification, we would sue them for trademark violation. < 1342820962 571206 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they could already do something like that by basing their product on the iphone. < 1342821002 333619 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is claims of compatibility really a violation of trademark? < 1342821003 820557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If they did that, they would be sued for trademark violation if it is said to be compatible anyways; since removing those jumpers would automatically make their version considered imcompatible. < 1342821030 810621 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not think trademarks work that way. < 1342821034 645226 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what if laws say that is unlawful? < 1342821049 924776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Say what is unlawful? < 1342821055 463409 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tihnk some companies have tried that on the grounds that compatability somehow implies endoresment. < 1342821066 159403 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cracking the DRM < 1342821104 403863 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO you would have DRM specifically to block other DRM from being used? < 1342821112 44256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, if anyone sues someone for cracking the DRM on their software on my system, we can countersue them for trademark violation. < 1342821132 743642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: No, it is completely open source, the BIOS and hardware is completely GNU GPL'd v3 or later version. < 1342821156 966587 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-55-44-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how is trademark involved? < 1342821175 609812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone can add DRM to the BIOS without violating copyright (although you may violate trademark from doing so), but then someone can remove them without being arrested. < 1342821288 218879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Well, if they do not use the trademark then the software is not endorsed, so I can include with the system the warning message that says, this is not a real program! They are trying to trick you! < 1342821407 308227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your warranty will be voided! The computer might explode! < 1342821695 543554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a hardware manufacturer *did* build it without those jumpers, you can just purchase from another manufacturer or add those jumpers yourself. If they try to modify the BIOS and that stuff to protect us from doing that, then we can figure them out to circumvent them, from the source-codes, and our own system will still work. If they don't let you to do that, then they can be sued for copyright violation. < 1342821763 294679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We ensure there is no "extra room" that someone can add these antifeatures in a rewritten clone of their own design. < 1342821795 531672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you understand??? < 1342821821 489894 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342821845 589728 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuh. sorry but that isn't really my definition of open/free platform < 1342821874 850931 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : SO you would have DRM specifically to block other DRM from being used? <-- sounds like that definitely < 1342821886 361509 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I would hate a a single task system for daily use < 1342821923 68035 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Your warranty will be voided! The computer might explode!" <-- they could just remove said message < 1342821972 701457 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they couldn't why not go straight for apple style "we control your device and apps you have" aproach < 1342821990 932248 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1342822242 41191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could remove the message if they are a hardware manufacturer; if they are a software manufacturer then they can't because it is part of the system manual. < 1342822272 60077 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :umh. how does that work? < 1342822348 2725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is open/free since all the design and everything being GNU GPL v3 or later version licensed, and there is no requirement that we approve the software if it is put on there; they simply are not allowed to claim we approved it when in fact we have not done so. < 1342822352 201874 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1342822369 403421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And again, even if it is not approved, it cannot affect other parts of the system other than itself anyways. < 1342822376 160844 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPLv3. ugh < 1342822412 588985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, I am main hardware manufacturer so anyone else is not considered endorsed unless we endorse them! < 1342822468 245718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1342822471 585963 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically your system is immune to drm because you define any system with drm to not be your system any more < 1342822472 762881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not saying the hardware has DRM, it is simply having security similar to that a UNIX kernel might have, but at the hardware level. < 1342822507 747023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Well, sort of. < 1342822567 179224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :CHANNEL CURRENTLY CLOSED DUE TO GODWINNING (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH GOD WINNING) | last topic change: today | bandanas not welcome unless they bring monkeys | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342822662 604089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes the topic will nearly always be inaccurate in some time zone < 1342822747 779643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone wanted to include our logo on the DVD case of their software, they would first need to ask me to approve it. And then they follow some of these requirements (some are absolute while others are just recommendations), we assign them a licensee code, software code, etc, and figure out the checksum, and include it in our database, and then they can use our logo. < 1342822755 582617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, well, apart from oerjan <-- i can confirm i am not a young girl. *teehee* < 1342822823 737006 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it is kinda like how apple does it. they restrict what you are allowed to do with your own device if they don't like it < 1342822880 262691 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1342822908 695555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: No they don't. You can do whatever you want with your own device, including to run unapproved software. This approval is not required to make the software run. < 1342822935 263013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the owner of the device can even modify the hardware and software and instructions for doing so are included in the manual, too. < 1342822960 490825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Apple, approval is not mandatory, but it is recommended. < 1342822973 423329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't take away your electrons though < 1342823010 698477 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh. but if approval is not mandatory you can't stop DRM'd code running platform < 1342823050 178211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes, that is true. It is impossible to completely stop it; but some kinds of DRM are just too difficult to implement because of the way the hardware is wired up. < 1342823066 484664 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1342823073 648691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many of the other kinds become very easy to crack. < 1342823102 934428 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the we run to DMCA like bullshit < 1342823105 827194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1342823165 773862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds that the ratio of bulls to bullshit in the world is strangely askew. < 1342823199 841337 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1342823212 671584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean theres more bullshit than there is bulls to produce it < 1342823237 329289 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know bulls shit more than once in their life < 1342823251 141005 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bulls can produce large amounts of shit < 1342823262 512076 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. fine < 1342823280 494178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i've had my fun, back to the topic < 1342823298 604206 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what topic < 1342823299 762460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "the we run to DMCA like bullshit"? < 1342823316 982777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^then we run to DMCA-like bullshit < 1342823344 261224 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: DMCA makes it illegal to break DRM. also s/the/then/ < 1342823356 994974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, bullshit is registered at the ministry of funny walks < 1342823360 270613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't be arrested unless you are caught, though. < 1342823371 915075 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I don't think that is true. < 1342823402 717525 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a quick Google, see this ruling: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/07/apple-loses-big-in-drm-ruling-jailbreaks-are-fair-use/ http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/25/court.says.cracking.drm.ok.if.purpose.is.legal/ < 1342823428 704784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the optional full drive encryption and RAM scrambling features and so on can make it much more difficult to get caught. < 1342823518 832986 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: It makes it a crime to circumvent any "access-control technology", except when the Library of Congress grants an exception... < 1342823557 385175 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Though that second thing you linked at could be valuable precedent. < 1342823592 791342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this computer is made in Canada. It can be used in any country you want, subject to their laws, but it is made in Canada, so the Canadian laws apply to the trademark approval process. < 1342823601 664674 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, you'd almost certainly get sued if you tried. < 1342823612 27144 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you heard of c-11? < 1342823619 982082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes I have heard of it. < 1342823634 346529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they approve it though. < 1342823649 158015 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I has already passed < 1342823649 572267 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, because that decision was made at a relatively low level, it could almost certainly be overturned. < 1342823681 267228 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Worse still, it makes it a crime to violate anything that could plausibly be interpreted as an *attempt* to prevent copying... < 1342823690 99794 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: ROT13, for instance. < 1342823712 285882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then what about double-ROT13 (i.e. the identity function)? < 1342823737 426124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, we try to fight against such stupid laws. < 1342823739 436619 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what about 3ROT13? < 1342823751 436724 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are canadian? < 1342823761 572040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes. < 1342823767 665068 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's not a reductio ad absurdum, that's a god damned *case*. An early ebook "DRM" scheme was ROT13, I shit you not.) < 1342823784 736081 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you supporter or member of canadian pirate party? < 1342823821 116301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Not officially. < 1342823860 556867 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what? < 1342823874 525178 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in what system? < 1342824319 653491 :guillaumemorgan!~guillaume@bas1-montreal29-2925017628.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1342824344 175449 :guillaumemorgan!~guillaume@bas1-montreal29-2925017628.dsl.bell.ca PART :#esoteric < 1342824345 808037 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome gau < 1342824348 340144 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuk u < 1342824349 639851 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gau: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1342824417 423624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the star trek lovers here might like this little story http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/120717.html < 1342824433 742789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or alternatively, hate it with a passion.) < 1342824477 123380 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone of you have any experience with any < 1342824480 387935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: gau doesn't tab complete to guillaumemorgan in any case < 1342824491 365645 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+32 bit microcontrollers < 1342824492 983955 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a typo < 1342824500 46447 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just hit enter b/c its easier than ctrl+a del < 1342824517 759877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i just hit enter b/c its easier than ctrl+a del < 1342824521 250188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :850) i just hit enter b/c its easier than ctrl+a del < 1342824532 452066 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: what about ^u ? < 1342824579 788822 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: oh. that wasn't a screen shortcut < 1342824592 424101 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have my gtk keybindings set to emacs < 1342824602 347121 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ctrl+u does nothing < 1342824611 416529 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342824633 119236 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i wonder if you can track the degeneration in my typing and language w/ the qdb < 1342824642 468656 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about down? < 1342824648 135324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :down clears my line < 1342824650 760421 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also does nothing when on the last line < 1342824652 163320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS < 1342824657 694238 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's more consistent < 1342824668 16804 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i like xchat < 1342824670 799987 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is ok, at least < 1342824675 67663 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: are you using irssi? < 1342824687 696579 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: is xchat graphical? < 1342824695 61004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ayuh < 1342824715 756746 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "graphical" is a misnomer < 1342824721 430606 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi has a "graphical" interface < 1342824737 220129 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the ncurses toolkit, which has only a rather hacky output backend based on ancient terminals < 1342824752 137897 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat is also graphical, it uses gtk, which has only a rather hacky output backend based on ancient x11... < 1342824767 1649 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: so xchat can't be run on console? < 1342824776 425013 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a shell, for instance, is non-graphical, rather it is a linguistic interface, whether you implement it with vt100 or gtk or whatever) < 1342824786 209327 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i am sure there is a way to get gtk to output to framebuffer. < 1342824796 226533 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1342824810 386910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your irc client doesn't do 3d animations then it's rather hacky, kids < 1342824907 333047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc cliennt buys me coffee < 1342824920 372370 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you play nethack in the 90s. you seem like the kind of person who would have < 1342824926 659678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1342824928 599073 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does it do htcpcp? < 1342824939 230199 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: odd < 1342824949 229480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played a bit of mud < 1342824954 684687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a mobile phone app for hallcinogens nortti < 1342824977 154597 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it is hypertext coffee pot control protocol < 1342824995 468925 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffft no < 1342825004 906923 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what pcp is like < 1342825006 719734 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc!!!! < 1342825011 471359 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc "drugs" kmc < 1342825021 10288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes starbucks-quality iced coffee get delivered to my cd drive < 1342825145 162681 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342825272 330759 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obsession of the man is one of the most unknown and frightful phenomena, which stops evolutionary development of the man and brings its to full spiritual (and often to physical) death. The book and website "Obsession as a catastrophe" (http://en.odkk.ru) created by the group of not indifferent to this theme people. The materials was created on the personal practical experience of studying of the theme basing on the theory from the remarkable bo < 1342825272 519541 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oks of Blavatskaya E.P, Roerich H.I., Roerich N.K., Abramov B.N., Uranov N. and other names. The purpose of the creating of the book is necessity to pay attention of people on this terrible phenomenon for the conscious counteraction to it. < 1342825280 227950 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your daily dose of obsession of the man < 1342825293 762641 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.odkk.ru/aura/5b_en.gif this image is so good < 1342825307 507273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who godwinned this channel? < 1342825323 844476 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the damn natzies < 1342825325 638429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oklopol < 1342825326 27873 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1342825341 205403 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when? < 1342825352 283602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time yesterday < 1342825354 274891 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was being a nazi < 1342825367 156107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just now < 1342825375 890471 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i - in a very gentlemanitan way - pointed this out to him. < 1342825387 736146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gentlemanitarian < 1342825445 568740 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342825474 177527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :succinct < 1342825527 676980 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1342825541 138821 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1342825556 531324 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :such happens whenever the topic exceeds maximum levels of stupidity < 1342825576 603041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless elliott__ isn't here, naturally. < 1342825586 142125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we reach the singularity instead. < 1342825588 113675 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it's like godwin's law < 1342825613 121039 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that making it stupid just so it can be reverted to this form invalidates the process < 1342825636 221608 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the previous one? < 1342825680 586487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHANNEL CURRENTLY CLOSED DUE TO GODWINNING (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH GOD WINNING) | last topic change: today | bandanas not welcome unless they bring monkeys | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1342825722 428723 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :oqijwoij < 1342825727 986423 :oqijwoij!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott__ < 1342825730 446451 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1342825739 737971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: What are you doing in my channel? < 1342825761 46393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *Your* channel? I thought it was oqijwoij's channel! < 1342825814 200154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: Guess what language I'm writing in! < 1342825833 578118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: It starts with "Java" and ends with "ava". < 1342825846 990037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :javaava, the best language < 1342825866 830050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's actually JavaScriptava. Stop confusing the two! < 1342825867 860204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps it is Javava or Java < 1342825879 308266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or JavaScriptava < 1342825903 303734 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1342825908 457270 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1342825949 842823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Java is a low-level language. :-( < 1342826006 473163 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1342826096 622819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a back story of my Dungeons&Dragons character. < 1342826204 744938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Sometimes I think Haskell is a low-level language too. < 1342826210 963630 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1342826213 942195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it's a high-level language with low-level libraries. < 1342826232 547953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess that could apply to Java too. How do people live with this?!) < 1342826625 895315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is BLISS a high or low language? The documentation says high. < 1342826738 344682 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is FORTH high or low? < 1342826934 247675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can be both, as far as I can tell. < 1342826972 433048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you have to implement monads in forth, duh < 1342826986 304354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms) < 1342827114 241180 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1342827137 952276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms? < 1342827228 586981 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-228-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Forth is profoundly low-level, but with good abstraction facilities. < 1342827253 903835 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342827311 603707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a generalized recursion scheme, also a haskell inside joke. edwardk put it into some package, i think. < 1342827356 285595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the joke is that it's ridiculously complicated, so i never remember exactly what it is < 1342827398 399293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is what I meant. < 1342827464 324485 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet copumpkin knows < 1342827861 476860 :elliot__!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1342828197 978559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you do know elliott__ finds that sort of thing annoying. < 1342828308 208645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1342828317 431285 :elliot__!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: sorry, elliott__ < 1342828334 901762 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain to me simply what is a monad < 1342828340 931642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha < 1342828350 533299 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monad tutorial < 1342828353 720629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :409) oerjan, little do you realise that everything you say and do is part of that great monad tutorial we call life. < 1342828372 159906 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: do you know any haskell / do you know any pure functional programming in general / do you know any category theory < 1342828380 153749 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, basically the only way to know monads is to experience life in all its richness < 1342828382 518607 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the answer to all three is no it is pointless trying to explain a concept specific to those fields < 1342828388 451552 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually you will truely understand monads < 1342828393 652083 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truely < 1342828403 316938 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read few tutorials but I still don't understand monads < 1342828415 302218 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monad tutorials" will not help you understand monads. < 1342828420 133308 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_especially_ if the answer to all those questions is no. < 1342828433 225718 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott__: yes/yes/no < 1342828439 981382 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much haskell < 1342828451 468782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tutorial < 1342828451 898977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goundoulf says: I've been reading a very good tutorial on haskell, because the [XMonad] config file was too obscure for me < 1342828459 158752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: Monads is a endofunctor including return and join operations which follow certain laws. And then there is >>= which is combining fmap with join. Maybe you won't understand... < 1342828464 598255 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: ideally just read learn you a haskell and write actual haskell programs and you will figure out what a monad is better than any hamfisted irc explanation will give you < 1342828480 696618 :nortti_!~juhani@a91-154-82-93.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1342828483 947072 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not complicated, they are just a simple concept that happens to tick most of the jargon boxes < 1342828488 386616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, writing a Haskell program, or just experimenting with monads in some other way, is best way. < 1342828497 95806 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they get unwarranted focus from those unfamiliar with the jargon < 1342828516 719510 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_, alternately: < 1342828520 84416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monad < 1342828522 978046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1342828546 724987 :elliott__!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti_: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Typeclassopedia is a very good read for understanding Haskell's (mostly) theoretically-based typeclasses. but it is pointless trying to read it without enough haskell skill/experience to write regular programs in it fairly well, esp. with the exercises, so get that first < 1342828595 592357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the "category of endofunctors" is. < 1342828603 88811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1342828606 210065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1342828609 551078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1342828612 524072 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1342828619 112061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know what a endofunctor is and what a category is, though. < 1342828640 434535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Category = Just Category < 1342828657 896572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category of endofunctors is where the objects are endofunctors and the morphisms are natural transformations. < 1342828740 6800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK