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I am not having network troubles, and I hope this does not bother anyone. 06:57:19 oh thank god 06:57:20 Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 06:57:45 the idea of being without Sgeo for any length of time without knowing why is simply unbearable. 06:58:11 also apparently holy shit bill dos died 06:58:29 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 06:59:06 hey Sgeo_, the name bill dos mean anything to you 06:59:34 As in "Bill Dos" or "Bill" does mean anything? 07:00:08 The former. 07:00:30 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 07:01:17 The only hits on Google are people with the name 'Bill Dos ', articles about Bill Gates and one South African "computer academy". 07:01:49 Oh hmm it may have been Bill Doss. 07:06:01 @tell elliott FFS if you're going to notify me of the deaths of obscure musicians at least spell their names right. 07:06:02 Consider it noted. 07:12:26 -!- adac has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 07:20:50 `quote expensive health food 07:21:01 130) ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive. 07:23:18 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Read error: Connection 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popular. 12:39:44 THAT's disturbing. 12:40:05 -!- nortti has joined. 12:40:21 -!- derdon has joined. 12:40:28 Oh, Ian agreed to it 12:41:02 But why do 7000 people want to see pictures of some guy sleeping? 12:41:50 always the easy questions get people stumped 12:41:55 -!- nortti has quit (Client Quit). 12:42:15 I'm not sure if that's true 12:42:21 I'll demonstrate. 12:42:28 What's 3 times 2 12:42:29 ? 12:42:35 6 12:42:42 whoa 12:42:43 Wasn't that an easy question 12:42:46 i see what you mean 12:43:06 Always the questions that get people stumped get people stumped. 12:43:13 qed 12:43:53 but to get back to the point i was gonna make 12:44:19 someone had to create every last image found on the internet, or used software to generate them 12:44:39 that in itself should be quite depressing 12:45:04 but not really 12:45:12 the pictures tend to be ok in context 12:45:42 -!- Gregor has joined. 12:45:45 Is this heading towards rule 34? 12:45:49 myspace girl discovers camera and proceeds to take 20 photos of herself from extreme angles 12:45:50 Hello, Gregor 12:46:23 flickr user takes 200 low resolution photos of landscapes they visited during travels 12:47:14 Group of people take picture of selves dressed as characters from a webcomic, in a shopping centre, put it on Facebook? 12:47:17 True story 12:47:24 Happened to me once 12:54:16 I need to learn how to avoid global variables 12:55:31 Whenever I look at Tcl, I keep thinking that I should be looking at Lisp 12:57:53 http://wiki.tcl.tk/13410 12:58:34 As interesting as most of that is, "OMG YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL ANY FUNCTIONS TO SERIALIZE TCL DATA STRUCTURES" is ... not at all impressive 12:59:08 -!- ais523 has quit. 13:02:47 -!- juhani has joined. 13:03:01 Sgeo_: you don't need to call any functions to serialize bash data structures either. 13:03:08 (actually that may not be true of bash arrays. not sure) 13:03:24 -!- juhani has quit (Client Quit). 13:03:27 Bash has arrays? Are they like Tcl's arrays? 13:03:33 I doubt it 13:03:46 You do need to call something to serialize Tcl's arrays since they're not first-class 13:03:55 I'm not sure that bash arrays are "first class" 13:03:58 Array just a collection of variables named in a certain way, really 13:04:30 Fine, here's a good difference between Bash and Tcl: Bash has ``, Tcl has [] 13:04:37 Which makes more sense for nesting commands? 13:04:56 `` is considered deprecated 13:04:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `: not found 13:05:00 you should use $() instead 13:05:02 -!- nortti has joined. 13:05:09 Ah 13:06:27 -!- nortti has quit (Client Quit). 13:06:45 I believe $() is a standard Bourne feature as well 13:06:48 and avoids quote hell 13:07:08 a non-standard feature that avoids quote hell: you can put a $ in front a '' literal to get proper escape sequences 13:07:17 ``run echo $SHELL 13:07:20 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `run: not found 13:07:27 `run echo $SHELL 13:07:30 ​/bin/sh 13:07:38 `run echo $'don\'t' 13:07:41 don't 13:07:52 without the $ you have to do 13:07:57 -!- nortti has joined. 13:08:01 `run echo 'don'\''t' 13:08:04 don't 13:08:39 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:09:22 I think programmers should come together and standardize a keyboard character set 13:09:59 not necessarily a standard /layout/, but a new set of characters that you could expect to find on a specialized "programmer's keyboard" 13:10:48 Have you been reading about APL? 13:10:50 so we can have more than 4 kinds of bracket-like symbols 13:10:52 Taneb: no 13:11:41 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 13:12:03 APL, the language where life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵} can make sense 13:13:24 I suppose you could call it a "keyset" 13:13:39 -!- nortti has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:13:42 a set of characters that should be conveniently expressable by a programmer's input means 13:13:53 -!- nortti has joined. 13:14:06 -!- nortti has quit (Client Quit). 13:14:15 which is a combination of the physical hardware (such as keyboards), and the capabilities of software (specialized keyboard layouts, emulators, and text editor support) 13:14:27 Beyond extended ascii? 13:14:35 yes 13:15:03 a common point that many languages reach in the design of their syntax is: welp, we've run out of convenient characters 13:15:08 this happens too quickly, imo. 13:15:32 -!- nortti has joined. 13:19:58 this doesn't happen to nikolaus wirth 13:21:10 but on the other hand it can go crazy 13:22:42 at least few languages as yet make commands out of strings of punctuation 13:23:45 such as, &($#, ^*&^, @(@(@, (&$*(*$, !(&(*, ^(&*^$%^$#) 13:26:08 basically, the 1 character per keyword idea 13:26:16 is itself quite a constraint 13:32:29 -!- nortti has left ("Leaving"). 13:32:55 -!- nortti has joined. 13:36:31 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:39:21 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 13:42:26 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:54:40 -!- monqy has joined. 14:12:42 -!- ais523 has quit. 14:26:03 -!- nortti has left ("Leaving"). 14:39:15 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:40:55 -!- augur has joined. 14:52:08 -!- elliott has joined. 14:55:15 aaaaaaaarr 14:55:17 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:55:28 -!- TodPunk has joined. 14:55:35 nooga: Are you sure you do not mean "hello" or something. That's conventional. 14:59:22 Has anyone here ever heard of Elephant 6 (correct answer is no, elliott need not answer). 14:59:55 hi 15:00:02 Phantom_Hoover: Sounds like you've heard of it. 15:00:10 -!- elliott has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:00:17 CRYPTIC 15:05:32 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:05:53 -!- TodPunk has joined. 15:06:13 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:11:35 -!- TodPunk has joined. 15:14:32 I was under the impression most BF implementations don't allow going past the left edge 15:14:36 I guess I was wrong? http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/xiwno/a_file_that_is_a_windows_executable_a_pdf/c5n3rn4?context=3 15:14:45 -!- Vorpal has joined. 15:15:42 Sgeo_: Perhaps you should do a survey and make a table of interpreter properties. 15:15:50 All I've seen on the topic has been mostly guesswork. 15:16:09 Sgeo_, if so, most interpreters are crap. 15:16:43 It's not unheard-of not to allow it. 15:18:49 -!- ogrom has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:20:53 Eternity's Shylock is still a fantastic song 15:21:26 (Note: Googling will likely be Homestuck spoilers) 15:21:51 Speaking of songs, there's a Jeroen Tel concert here tomorrow, some of you might have heard of him. 15:22:52 (And Googling will not be Homestuck spoilers, even.) 15:26:31 Non-spoilery way to listen: http://assets.tumblr.com/swf/audio_player.swf?audio_file=http://www.tumblr.com/audio_file/architectural-perfection/28245664979/tumblr_m7wnn9HLah1qm8n2a&color=FFFFFF 15:27:02 Well, I assume that the music's non-spoilery 15:27:05 Maybe due to motifs? 15:28:50 -!- augur_ has joined. 15:30:03 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:36:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:36:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:36:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 15:36:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:46:46 -!- ogrom has joined. 16:20:09 Phantom_Hoover: so apparently "Asian" in the UK means south asian? 16:20:15 Yes. 16:20:18 and excludes east asians? 16:20:20 huh. interesting 16:20:36 No, but if you say 'Asian' the default meaning is south Asian. 16:20:58 And you'd probably have to clarify if you meant east asians. 16:21:12 I'm pretty sure most americans don't consider indians and "middle easterners" to be asian. 16:21:19 it mostly means east asian here. 16:22:26 but the census does include indians under the category asian. 16:23:15 "Statistics Norway considers people of Asian background to be people from all Asian countries.[11][12]" 16:23:19 Norway, always the sensible one. 16:24:18 "The Canadian Census' list of Visible Minorities includes "West Asian", "South Asian" and "Southeast Asian".[6] The Canadian government uses "West Asian" in its statistics; however people from the Arab countries are counted in a separate "Arab" category.[7][8]" 16:24:24 why. why do we make these arbitrary cultural categories. 16:28:44 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 17:07:48 Spam subject (paraphrasing, accidentally deleted it already): "We care about your Education american education". 17:07:58 So they care about my education, but only if it's an American education. 17:09:57 No, clearly, your name is american education. 17:12:45 So... an American education consists only of telling people my name? Well, at least they know how to prioritize. 17:39:56 -!- ogrom has joined. 17:43:41 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:49:46 -!- Niazi1 has joined. 17:49:55 -!- Niazi1 has quit (Client Quit). 17:58:56 -!- derdon has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:26:09 -!- phasyak has joined. 18:26:39 -!- phasyak has left. 18:26:48 -!- phasyak has joined. 18:30:32 -!- phasyak has quit (Client Quit). 18:52:59 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 18:54:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 18:55:31 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:56:01 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 18:57:19 -!- fizzie has joined. 18:57:26 Scheme is simple but highly fragmented, and Common Lisp is complex and creeky but has a semi-unified ecosystem 18:57:41 -!- ion has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:58:17 Also Lisp has no non-hacky coroutines 18:58:26 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 18:58:53 Nor does Scheme, unless you count continuations-as-coroutines as non-hacky. 19:01:20 Is it just me, or is the bus factor of the current Common Lisp ecosystem ONE? <-- bus factor? 19:01:59 oerjan: The amount of people using public transit, like poor people do, as opposed to taxis or limos with drivers or helicopters or such. 19:02:07 oerjan, how many specific people who, if hit by a bus, would cause the project to be severely damaged or end 19:02:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor 19:02:41 ah. 19:03:12 Well, my actual use-case for coroutines or continuations etc. is just using asynchronous stuff in a synchronous-looking way 19:03:12 -!- asiekierka has quit (Quit: Connection reset by PO). 19:03:44 -!- asiekierka has joined. 19:06:12 Obviously, if Xach were hit by a bus, Common Lisp would continue to exist, but afaict, he's the sole maintainer of Quicklisp, which is THE repository that Common Lispers use for all package stuff 19:19:08 you know what currency they use in bosnia? 19:19:13 the deutschmark. 19:19:37 i find this... unlikely. 19:19:44 surely you mean euro. 19:19:54 no 19:20:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina_convertible_mark 19:21:08 also they have one set of bills for Serbs and another for Bosniaks 19:22:57 naturally. 19:23:12 Do the bills annihilate if they come into contact? 19:23:29 it's pegged to the Deutschmark which is pegged to the Euro 19:23:37 the former peg is 1:1 19:23:43 heegan 19:23:55 i don't remember if deutschmarks are still redeemable for euros, but anyway there are old DM values in contracts 19:24:09 montenegro, otoh, uses euros 19:24:26 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]). 19:24:28 yeah 19:24:35 without the permission or approval of the ECB 19:24:40 i was just there 19:24:53 You need permission to use Euros? 19:25:10 no, montenegro uses them without permission 19:25:17 q.e.d.! 19:25:23 yup 19:26:59 shachaf, what's your opinion of Tcl? 19:29:24 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:29:30 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 19:29:55 I was visiting a friend yesterday and I renamed his cat Simon Marlow. 19:29:56 also a lot of people in albanda would take euros 19:30:08 and it seemed to be the default for anything over like US$100 19:30:34 albania* 19:34:25 gotta go to bosnia, bbl 19:55:31 -!- ion has joined. 19:58:03 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:59:44 -!- asiekierka has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:03:02 bosnda 20:19:55 The Prototypes with Multiple Inheritance seems to have broken my brain. I used to like the idea, now I dislike it just because I see its motivation can be fulfilled even without the prototype part 20:20:08 I think both of these opinions are not entirely reasonable. 20:31:19 -!- boily has left ("WeeChat 0.3.8"). 20:39:13 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:42:25 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:07:33 -!- variable has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 21:18:45 -!- Taneb has joined. 21:18:52 Hello! 21:19:05 eek, a Taneb 21:19:24 The monitor for my desktop has stopped working... 21:19:39 It doesn't turn on and when the power's in it makes a clicking sound 21:20:04 :( 21:21:30 Of course, when we got it, the world trade centre had twin towers 21:21:39 click beetle stuck on the circuit board, that's the only explanation 21:21:53 Of course! 21:22:02 I'll rescue it in the morning 21:22:30 It was one of the best monitors you could get in 2000 21:23:17 1280 x 1024 px 21:28:34 “I feel stupid. I'm showing up with a gun to an artillery fight. That's like showing up with a rocket launcher to a tactical warhead fight.” 21:31:11 * oerjan shows up with a fork to a knife fight 21:32:39 * Taneb shows up with a spoon to a fork fight 21:33:17 * Gregor shows up with his tongue to a spoon fight 21:34:59 kinky! 21:48:55 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 21:49:10 :t state 21:49:11 forall s a. (s -> (a, s)) -> State s a 21:49:16 :t writer 21:49:17 forall a w. (a, w) -> Writer w a 21:51:02 @unmtl Writer 21:51:02 Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `Writer' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A B. (B, A)' 21:51:15 @unmtl Writer [()] Int 21:51:15 (Int, [()]) 21:51:37 @unmtl MaybeT (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool 21:51:37 (Maybe Bool, Sum Int) 21:51:46 * oerjan is looking at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11684321/how-to-play-with-control-monad-writer-in-haskell btw 21:51:48 @unmtl ConT (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool 21:51:49 ConT (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool 21:52:48 it seems lambdabot has the change where Writer and WriterT were merged and separate writer functions were made to replace the olde Writer constructor 21:53:19 @unmtl WriterT (Sum Int) [] Bool 21:53:19 [(Bool, Sum Int)] 21:53:26 but it does _not_ have the latest change where writer and state were made into methods of the MonadWriter / MonadState classes so you can use them even more generally 21:53:31 :t reader 21:53:33 forall r a. (r -> a) -> Reader r a 21:53:42 :t asks 21:53:43 forall r a (m :: * -> *). (MonadReader r m) => (r -> a) -> m a 21:54:12 i'm not sure if reader has been generalized like that, i think it would be just a synonym for asks 21:54:39 (@unmtl probably knows nothing about any of that) 21:54:59 Taneb: *ContT 21:55:05 Heh 21:55:09 @unmtl ContT (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool 21:55:09 Plugin `unmtl' failed with: `ContT (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool' is not applied to enough arguments, giving `/\A. (A -> Bool (Writer (Sum Int))) -> Bool (Writer (Sum Int))' 21:55:19 @unmtl ContT Word8 (Writer (Sum Int)) Bool 21:55:20 (Bool -> (Word8, Sum Int)) -> (Word8, Sum Int) 21:56:02 :t cont 21:56:04 forall a r. ((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a 21:56:13 Why is there the split between mtl and transformers 21:56:34 i don't think cont can be made a method 21:57:48 Taneb: iirc transformers contains the part that doesn't require fancy type stuff like functional dependencies 21:58:26 i think there's an alternative to mtl which uses type families on top of transformers instead, for those who like that 21:59:22 Hmm 21:59:46 What extensions are on the cards for becoming part of Haskell proper next report? 22:00:14 i dunno, is there any progress on the next report revision at all? 22:00:46 No idea :( 22:02:23 i'm not following anything other than reddit for haskell news at present 22:03:07 there have been several recent interesting additions to ghc, but they will of course take decades to become official ;) 22:04:08 Maybe when I'm a supervillain 22:04:33 nah, not that soon 22:04:49 Maybe when I'm the evil league of evil 22:05:15 * oerjan isn't sure whether there's an "in" missing there 22:05:27 with supervillains, one can never be sure 22:06:01 Indeed 22:07:18 But maybe when I'm a supervillain, I'll be helping implement the features 22:23:40 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 22:35:00 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 22:35:15 -!- Ngevd has joined. 22:35:24 -!- Ngevd has quit (Client Quit). 22:35:54 the ghost of Tanebs past 22:36:57 the ghost of Tanebs passed :/ 22:37:22 that it did 22:39:29 I think that means it's time for me to go to bed, only to be awoken firstly by the ghost of my dead coworker, then three other ghosts representing periods of history, for the purpose of making me a better person 22:39:54 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:42:32 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:08:46 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to Escrow. 23:18:29 -!- Escrow has changed nick to copumpkin. 23:21:44 -!- variable has joined. 23:21:48 -!- variable has quit (Changing host). 23:21:48 -!- variable has joined. 23:29:56 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:29:57 -!- pikhq has joined.