< 1343952231 589995 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1343954259 629642 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znwmcjtzhbdwnmsy QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1343954274 425942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1343954342 417349 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In all honesty and speaking as someone who used C++ professionally for years -- C++ has passed the point of usefulness. I have heard people say that Ada was a language designed by a committee to prove that not all programming languages can be implemented, it is overly complex and difficult to understand, yet it is a model of simplicity and elegance compared to C++, which in its latest incarnation also demonstrates the pristine and readable < 1343954342 607430 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualities of APL. Frankly, C++ should have its head cut off and its head and body buried at a crossroad with garlic in its mouth and a stake though its heart. That probably won't kill it, but it should slow it down somewhat. Nowadays I would never start a project in C++ that I ever thought I'd need to finish. I'd rather do it in something simpler and more portable. Like assembler." < 1343954498 744480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what an original opinion < 1343954548 816449 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's not a bad screed, but why did you paste it? < 1343954558 792863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought it was amusing < 1343955588 132117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343955604 877099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-149-97.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343955926 841400 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1343955967 299510 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1343957658 794499 :kubra09!~kubra09@199.255.210.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343957675 550384 :kubra09!~kubra09@199.255.210.88 QUIT :Client Quit < 1343959103 581620 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfktctoiclygapqb JOIN :#esoteric < 1343959481 305399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343959765 673779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1343960170 6344 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages have Smalltalk-like IDEs? < 1343960177 298966 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk and Tcl at least < 1343960188 341401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the Tcl ones probably aren't well-maintained < 1343960577 4752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1343962008 956233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl does. < 1343962037 869622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Smalltalk itself, by definition has a Smalltalk-like IDE < 1343962470 806053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does BIG talk have? < 1343962542 424028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs big < 1343962549 422143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31651 < 1343962578 229704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : X is much bigger then Y -- this really says so much with so few words < 1343962669 225382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok can do better < 1343962678 257090 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs big.*big < 1343962711 273055 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1343962714 705899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs big.*big < 1343962739 204037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22129 < 1343962762 101812 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-146-76.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1343962764 486263 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-146-166.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343962768 516282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not enough < 1343962777 122867 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must give her all she's got < 1343962785 864475 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs big.*big.*big < 1343962794 314433 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9313 < 1343963105 561469 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1343963218 272467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs bigtalk < 1343963225 637429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27446 < 1343963262 183270 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably on a drawingboard somewhere < 1343963520 509887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those programming language designers who uses drawing boards < 1343963704 741338 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1343964274 997457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24.207.49.17 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What assembler features did you like to have in assemblers? < 1343964745 113332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A man standing at a drawing board with Lets Draw written above" http://image1.masterfile.com/em_w/03/47/29/608-03472993fw.jpg < 1343964868 827777 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "A man standing at a drawing board with Lets Draw written above" < 1343964871 378577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inmagine.com/izs015/izs015555-photo < 1343964871 566337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: A Man Standing At A Drawing Board With Lets Draw Written Above Stock Photos / Pi ... < 1343965180 994415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1343965199 115360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellio, elliott! < 1343965221 787723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME elliott < 1343965227 699104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELLIOTT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANG < 1343965348 998709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1343967924 577305 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-93.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1343967947 218139 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-93.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1343968191 974968 :fgfd9ou!~Mirandahg@89-73-57-174.dynamic.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1343968265 762290 :fgfd9ou!~Mirandahg@89-73-57-174.dynamic.chello.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1343972046 445341 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. 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Over. < 1343986588 926654 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delta oscar november golf sierra < 1343986760 503734 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romeo Oscar Golf Echo Romeo < 1343987037 628205 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotel India < 1343987057 60330 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343987456 85021 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foxtrot foxtrot foxtrot foxtrot foxtrot foxtrot foxtrot < 1343988026 190412 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1343989085 953509 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uniform uniform uniform uniform uniform uniform uniform uniform < 1343989154 898020 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c dot c < 1343989484 69719 :juhovh!~jvahaher@xmms2/developer/juhovh JOIN :#esoteric < 1343989496 167398 :juhovh!~jvahaher@xmms2/developer/juhovh 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1343994004 189400 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-161-76.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1343994095 843370 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343994101 856981 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343994163 753438 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-161-76.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1343994951 667809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343994959 108192 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-245.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343995214 135594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343995542 927419 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1343995646 97492 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TclTalk seems fun < 1343996180 243571 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it uses a non-Tcl-standard way of initializing variables in namespaces < 1343996201 628257 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it makes sense, because [namespace eval] stuff isn't exactly stored anywhere available for introspection, but still < 1343996268 656351 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh, the single-dispatchness of Tcl OO systems in general is striking me again < 1343996407 639792 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :does somebody know the name of this constructed script that was based on 3x3 grid of letters < 1343996442 203413 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the characters were constructed from the cell edges with longer or shorter lines < 1343997532 583509 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1343997628 908663 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1343997950 137451 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1343997974 341642 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee JOIN 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:Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1343998943 137244 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google maps has very bad coverage in bosnia & herzegovina < 1343998956 197899 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (probably not by coincidence) openstreetmaps has exceptionally good coverage < 1343998975 763935 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I like TclTalk doesn't mean I should start looking at Smalltalk again, does it < 1343998976 507424 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1343999058 97716 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-85.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1343999067 650310 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make something interesting in whatever language seems appropriate for the job < 1343999074 624565 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1343999104 417772 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1343999208 621698 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1343999269 954801 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: if you were me, you would only be contented with an IDE which only exists undesigned in your imagination and find everything else has faults < 1343999320 573413 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually along this train of thought you would realize that any program would be imperfect < 1343999343 653740 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk-like IDEs tend to let you change the IDE while it's running < 1343999362 302360 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could probably make it to your satisfaction < 1343999365 807750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk's the really object oriented one, right? < 1343999370 9992 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1343999373 126335 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Class-based) < 1343999378 963805 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And image-based < 1343999417 492273 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be on my list of languages to learn eventually? < 1343999452 541784 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING should be on your list of languages to learn eventually. Except PHP. < 1343999497 926031 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and algol 68 < 1343999509 715350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And COBOL. < 1343999537 709367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about NetFuck? < 1343999549 951038 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey, COBOL's fun! < 1343999551 444960 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1343999574 627993 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... it's interesting to see an.... old model for programming < 1343999627 581071 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn FORTRAN then! < 1343999652 38359 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I could describe the thing that sticks out the most to me: ALL variables must be declared in one section of the code. COBOL procedures (I forget what they're called) do not accept arguments, instead, they must look at and modify some of the declared variables. < 1343999654 941509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or algol 60 (which doesnt suck how algol 68 does) < 1343999953 590414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL was the language my parents used < 1343999977 7766 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you should learn Tcl < 1343999996 78785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a protocol? < 1344000001 571092 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's TCP < 1344000005 1969 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1344000026 925923 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tcl.tk/ < 1344000039 679531 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that opinion in this channel does seem to be divided about it < 1344000065 361917 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Tcl the one with tk? < 1344000076 277146 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1344000242 807819 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning about the siege of sarajevo makes me think it might not be such a crazy idea to stockpile years worth of food, medicine, etc. < 1344000290 543740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the USA there is a general tendency to make fun of people who do this < 1344000297 446864 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that tendency does not exist in bosnia anymore < 1344000542 150330 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Bosnia a domestic war was a very likely possibility. < 1344000548 617398 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US? Not so much. < 1344000552 688474 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely than the USA, yeah < 1344000693 682099 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how many residents of sarajevo in 1984 -- when the city was hosting the Olympics -- would believe that in 8 years time they'd be under daily attack by artillery and snipers? < 1344000708 131694 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1344000740 639915 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say the same thing of Germany in 1936. < 1344000749 297925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1344000840 291031 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people in London 1940 would believe that in only 8 years they'd be hosting the olympics? < 1344000851 67740 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or beirut in the 60's < 1344000872 736644 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: heh, i like your reversal :) < 1344000905 860836 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in early 1940 it was not totally clear that wwii was going to be a big deal < 1344000956 469923 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think these things sneak up on people < 1344000965 312631 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you were discussing the crazy survivalist angle with someone you could make a good case for war reaching Germany being possible. < 1344000975 459778 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who are enjoying prosperity for the time being, and who are more concerned with their daily lives than geopolitics < 1344001087 804586 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an instance of the fat tails phenomenon < 1344001103 239227 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people underestimate the probability of unlikely events < 1344001137 188806 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they've invested time and resources into preparing for them, in which case they'll overestimate. < 1344001141 838190 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1344001187 469022 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think one reason the survivalists get mocked is because many of them don't have a clue what they're doing (just ask quintopia about his gold reserves). < 1344001194 448418 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1344001199 862084 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them are crazy, for sure < 1344001268 170239 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a fortified NBC-proof bunker in your backyard is probably crazy :) < 1344001278 193197 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stashing away some food and water is not that crazy, or expensive < 1344001285 512648 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't expect to use it < 1344001305 380493 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in disaster-prone areas this is a normal thing to do, but with like 1-2 weeks worth < 1344001334 308121 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will not do you much good in a prolonged armed conflict < 1344001405 690086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i dont have any gold reserves. its still a better idea than bitcoin reserves. < 1344001435 6344 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That second sentence might make sense if anyone actually stockpiled bitcoins. < 1344001454 350494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing is...some people do < 1344001464 691965 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-159-245.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344001465 182081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bitcoin thing-thing here this year. < 1344001488 2685 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, if they started doing it earlier, they're richer now than anyone who put it into gold. < 1344001491 230669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You collect hidden QR codes and send something like 0.0005 BTC to each address you find. < 1344001506 70218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who finds most gets a 5 BTC physical coin-thing (or whatever) and things. < 1344001543 588968 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not necessarily. have you compared the rise in gold prices over the last twenty years? < 1344001599 649801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I somehow doubt there's been a 30-fold increase in the span of a year. < 1344001761 916004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am afraid of bitcoin myself < 1344001803 508727 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the physical coin thing the necessary cryptographic information on a chip or something? < 1344001809 795635 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen anywhere that takes bitcoin? < 1344001833 986026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no desire to help anyone get rich by advancing bitcoin < 1344001866 450269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My greatest fear in gold reserves is that at some point, we'll look at ourselves as a species, and decide it's time to stop worshiping valueless shiny rocks. < 1344001869 832397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i like currencies which have evolved slowly and found some degree of balance < 1344001884 427867 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, invest in tantalum!!! < 1344001906 54832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shiny but also vital for microelectronics! < 1344001955 115293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know, but I guess I can check. < 1344001976 30252 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rhodium, which AFAIK is a really good investment because it's incredibly rare and incredibly useful as a catalyst. < 1344002017 351708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's just a piece of paper in a "tamper-proof" seal. < 1344002019 780606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Casascius_physical_bitcoins < 1344002022 303637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those. < 1344002026 692314 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1344002039 181056 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't energy the best investment? < 1344002045 102934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my view of survivalism, money, reserves and life is that no matter what we do about all of these things, we are always at risk of dying due to some event we cannot predict or control < 1344002046 555962 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :store your wealth by pumping water to the top of a hill < 1344002047 504787 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a piece of *paper*? < 1344002056 742078 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need a big hill. < 1344002074 76307 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that's why i don't wear my seatbelt when i ride in a car < 1344002084 88615 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you might die anyway, so there is no point in doing anything to decrease the chance of it < 1344002084 624612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1344002089 944045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I've understood people do Bitcoin "paper wallets" to avoid those dastardly hackers. < 1344002097 887498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh i go out of my way to decrease the chances of it .. < 1344002135 100344 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have known people who genuinely don't seem to care < 1344002148 300531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people doing the thing also mentioned the first restaurant in Helsinki to accept BTC just opened recently. < 1344002171 634147 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when i would take my time before crossing a road, he would mention something about that < 1344002234 306031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i have even been told of by someone when i was younger for wearing seatbelt < 1344002288 244788 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, kmc's point is that survivalism is another way of going out of your way to decrease your chances of dying. < 1344002294 633786 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1344002305 409393 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also an asshole < 1344002323 279960 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the only explanation < 1344002342 229067 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit those "physical bitcoins" are pretty < 1344002359 545919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... collecting food is good < 1344002381 452819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone once suggested to me that at such times the valuable things are food and guns < 1344002438 544061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ammunition. < 1344002469 960150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats an over simplified view they put though < 1344002604 819893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep imagining gold containing chocolate < 1344002619 906733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn those foil wrapped coins < 1344002630 647374 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, invest in cocoa < 1344002644 707581 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it brings mice < 1344002655 157056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if its not sealed properly < 1344002664 92498 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta seal ur food < 1344002674 759928 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it < 1344002739 987489 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrap all your food in gold so that even if someone manages to steal it they'll just discard it as worthless gold. < 1344002753 191653 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok im catching up < 1344002775 715884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the point of the gold reserves is if the economy crashes you still have something of value < 1344002787 290055 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not implying a war scenario < 1344002814 976735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's also because some people still think it has inherent value. < 1344002842 529708 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344002862 83126 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it does < 1344002870 522512 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd be better off investing in barterable skills < 1344002923 573490 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if gold retains some "intrinsic value", there is going to be much less demand and liquidity in gold markets after an economic collapse < 1344002932 716716 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because you lose the infrastructure which makes markets work < 1344002955 744976 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women often like tradesmen, they're fit and always find work < 1344002961 893356 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if you can, say, perform basic medical procedures, or repair automobiles and convert them to run on wood gas < 1344002966 363281 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i think you're set < 1344003010 153042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is no counter argument. < 1344003018 162149 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a barely related note, it seems that about 50% of cars in albania are 90's mercedes < 1344003029 960709 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why < 1344003031 599332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1344003048 493434 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe during the communist era, the ability to import a german luxury car was a great sign of power and wealth < 1344003071 358833 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i saw a video about russian video games yesterday < 1344003077 922928 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow mercedes caught on versus other brands < 1344003082 912683 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather video games sold in russia < 1344003091 243139 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's easy to get one, but status symbols are sticky < 1344003098 719765 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had super mario bros 1 - 16 for the dendy < 1344003099 165184 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why everything is covered in bright blue LEDs these days < 1344003150 44907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why blue is cooler than green < 1344003198 167588 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Among the games was the Super Mario Bros. series, which included the three original Mario productions from Nintendo, along with a series of unlicensed Mario games, most of which were just other Famicom games with the main character replaced with Mario sprites." < 1344003221 323645 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: blue LEDs were still expensive at a time when red and green LEDs were cheap < 1344003238 626968 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they became a signifier of expensive quality electronics < 1344003245 168301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it turns out, the russians were led to believe that all of these games were actually canonical mario games < 1344003248 660027 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they are cheap and are found all over cheap kwality electronics < 1344003307 39907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on a tv show, when joe and mac was being reviewed they said that joe and mac was merely a pirate copy of super mario 16 with the sprite of a caveman < 1344003349 760884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same with laser pointers, except that green is subjectively much brighter at the same output power < 1344003365 461271 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think ludicrously overpowered green lasers are still the main coveted nerd-toy in this area < 1344003372 802117 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess computer programming is not a barterable skill < 1344003381 366313 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but blu-ray-based purple lasers that can set stuff on fire are also popular < 1344003385 599844 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless somehow we end up in Alpha Complex < 1344003389 168569 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: it depends but probably not < 1344003426 483539 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to hack whatever computing equipment is left over after the apocalypse into basic automation stuff would be useful < 1344003434 339894 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding of nature isn't good enough to predict how knowledge of computation could be lost < 1344003434 619497 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also telecommunications < 1344003439 637589 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344003441 162226 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham radio and maybe long-distance wifi < 1344003449 885950 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on the type of apocalypse though < 1344003461 938421 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if most people die off, automation will be valuable < 1344003469 909839 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, predicting the actual future is a super-complex problem < 1344003474 164925 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a surplus of people, then not so much < 1344003477 855807 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes im making up these words < 1344003491 805500 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, wait. < 1344003503 489614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automation is necessary for large numbers of people, not small ones. < 1344003523 512018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not predicting one event in the future, but predicting the collective events leading to some future moment < 1344003907 331386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :albania google maps looks like it was done by people walking along the streets on foot < 1344003922 491851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^street view < 1344004048 928183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe google were driving on the pavement < 1344004052 644341 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks to me like they don't have actual street view < 1344004058 322760 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just geo-tagged photos taken by random people < 1344004072 215925 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1344004084 470230 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where they scrape these from < 1344004136 412015 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bus through albania stopped at a truck stop which only had squat toilets < 1344004152 756913 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would not be such a problem except that a lot of the people using them apparently did not know how to use squat toilets < 1344004157 468967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was contemplating the other day that street view must have an enormous fuel budget < 1344004162 649942 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there was a lot of shit all over the floor < 1344004321 909736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these 90's mercedes? https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/75112590 < 1344004365 416909 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the mercedes thing was observed mostly in Shkodra so it may not hold in other cities < 1344004388 993701 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a mercedes on the left of that pic at a guess < 1344004403 935511 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big one won't load for me < 1344004406 506075 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wants frash prugin < 1344004412 52488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1344004416 675516 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :screw it < 1344004443 137404 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill make it happen though via another means < 1344004450 697924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cos clearly i have nothing better to do < 1344004484 682349 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you should check out the pyramid at 41.323411,19.821246 < 1344004563 114523 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi50.tinypic.com/11lmyjs.jpg < 1344004613 919633 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks much shitter now than most of these photos < 1344004628 873085 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one's about right: < 1344004638 33515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't the Google Maps photos from Panoramio? At least that's what I thought. < 1344004649 762319 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too blurry to tell itidus21 < 1344004654 226253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344004679 198513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they have a walk-around streetview camera, the blog mentioned it. < 1344004681 137761 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did go with jpeg, via microsoft paint, so even if it was a good pic before who knows < 1344004686 899890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though only for places where you can't drive a car to. < 1344004722 84626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/The-Google-Street-View-Car-Now-Fits-into-a-Backpack.jpg < 1344004725 623000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1344004749 933187 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://www.pcworld.com/article/241960/throw_this_camera_ball_to_take_a_360degree_panorama.html < 1344004796 657060 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344004806 86537 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So the ball captures images once reaches its maximum arc because it is almost at a stand still as its velocity and the gravity acting on it are at equilibrium." < 1344004812 112720 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job pcworld writer person < 1344004856 954295 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it tell if it's at the top of the arc? < 1344004893 234110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a panorama which I made from a ball that was already there: http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/g2/d/16009-4/p1100262.jpg -> http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/g2/d/16203-2/p1100271-remapped.jpg < 1344004898 475468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's not very high-fidelity. < 1344004901 246008 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say "accelerometer" but no, it's not that simple < 1344004910 538283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ball isn't actually spherical, and it's a bit dirty too. < 1344004912 700332 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the acceleration on the free ball is constant regardless of its velocity < 1344004933 829069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a velocitometer, of course. < 1344004943 524594 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1344004960 419985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An heightometer. < 1344004979 575622 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's acceleration added by the thrower < 1344004984 662204 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just drop the ball, what happens? < 1344004996 986603 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that too would be detectable, hmm < 1344005005 754990 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: the initial acceleration is (in theory) instantaneous < 1344005011 917212 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once the ball leaves your hand, the only acceleration is gravity < 1344005023 59256 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could measure the initial acceleration and then dead-reckon the top point from that < 1344005064 983441 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it sad that the reason I know the term dead-reckoning is because of a book on Microsoft Flight Simulator that I had many years ago? < 1344005072 445820 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344005073 666853 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, possibly. < 1344005080 956875 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very prone to calibration errors, though. < 1344005099 242677 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you had like a marble inside a hollow chamber in the ball < 1344005107 355496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marble would move to the other side of the chamber when the ball starts to fall, no? < 1344005125 336541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why would it? < 1344005131 758128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both have the same amount of acceleration downwards. < 1344005141 359824 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what fizzie said. < 1344005155 637207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ball is in an inertial frame from leaving your hand to hitting the ground. < 1344005158 615794 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are you serious, it' acceleration is not a constant. If it's first derivative(velocity) is 0, then the second derivative(acceleration) HAS to be zero....the derivative of any constant is 0... < 1344005162 641135 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL...." < 1344005163 453857 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalm < 1344005204 934773 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i could find the frikkin paper < 1344005213 784127 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :various people speculate that it integrates acceleration < 1344005257 319806 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok "Our camera contains an accelerometer which we use to measure launch acceleration. Integration lets us predict rise time to the highest point, where we trigger the exposure. " < 1344005260 261526 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the abstract < 1344005266 93596 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jonaspfeil.de/ballcamera < 1344005309 260655 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booooring. < 1344005337 884230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it should use laser range-finding to estimate distances from the ground. < 1344005338 237392 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it should bounce radio waves off the ground or something < 1344005342 718365 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1344005353 477595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1344005371 153379 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it doesn't matter too much to get the high point correct < 1344005381 906467 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should measure the CMB and calculate its velocity from the Doppler shift. < 1344005382 917388 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as your are shooting daytime scenes with fast shutter speed < 1344005388 634194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an app for the N900 (probably other phones too) which measures free-fall times, the idea being that you compete by throwing it into the air; the one who gets longest free-fall time wins. < 1344005408 581807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They held a competition here a year or two back, IIRC. < 1344005413 930211 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1344005420 764452 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fantastic < 1344005424 254487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lot of disclaimers about the app-makers not being responsible for broken phones. < 1344005439 114137 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you allowed to put padding etc around it < 1344005445 349884 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the egg drop competitions of high school physics < 1344005460 322201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phones were supplied by the organizers, I believe. < 1344005477 527233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could make a padding-allowed house rule if you were playing it with your friends, though. < 1344005481 373727 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine they could also make a variant where the ball records the entire arc and lets you replay it panoramically < 1344005509 957398 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that would, like all my ideas, be shit in practice and make people throw up < 1344005604 685445 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how to give Tcl CL-style conditions. < 1344005613 20103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/n900fly/ is the app, I can't recall which year the competition was. < 1344005620 83957 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, it requires users to list which C-implemented commands can give errors. < 1344005647 9793 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR! I could just wrap every single C-implemented command < 1344005648 179987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like the egg drop competitions of high school physics < 1344005714 744066 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phone drop would probably be easier though, since the main thing that damages phones is their shape focusing the impact. < 1344005781 997277 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a party Sgeo__ < 1344005818 217087 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might need to provide a command to tell the library to look for these commands < 1344005875 745082 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone does agree that CL-style conditions are a good thing, right? < 1344005907 348497 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm behind it < 1344006333 326598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344006811 615610 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1344006984 862807 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344007172 352409 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-232-24.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1344007507 390500 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read up on Dylan's condition system, which apparently was based on CL but does... something different, I forget whar < 1344007508 386678 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1344007849 127552 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344007918 828968 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-161-76.singnet.com.sg PART :#esoteric < 1344008672 908408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1344008697 736553 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344008698 236093 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344008821 681848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344009459 538775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1344009768 257218 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344009793 992875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1344010074 877568 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344010413 966188 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-211.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344011105 476826 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344011345 694191 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344011436 763492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1344011716 146266 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1344012141 146726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sometimes make useless schematic diagrams? < 1344012180 895617 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1344012841 766401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1344013479 591926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there are Norwegians on the seminar floor. < 1344013483 638903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What foolishness is this. < 1344013953 89289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the most difficult sport? < 1344013962 856050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My answer: Pool ball because the balls (including the white ball) are extremely difficult to hit, even though they aren't moving. < 1344014008 519222 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344014016 712114 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1344014096 446270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most dangerous game. < 1344014263 594395 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-232-24.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1488 < 1344014281 132780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I was thinking about. < 1344014406 540514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1344014817 63051 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, awesome, there's a *very* useful feature I missed. Linux's seccomp (a very simple sandboxing scheme) got extended somewhat. < 1344014825 634146 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can now hand it a list of system calls that are permitted. < 1344014880 737600 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a little more complicated than that. You can filter based on the arguments too. < 1344014887 383020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1344014895 821453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm very intrigued. < 1344014915 872648 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Google's doing, no doubt :) < 1344014929 794742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344014934 958101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might sometimes want to override system calls with your own though, too? < 1344014974 86094 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a system would be considerably thicker even for non-users, so probably isn't going to happen. < 1344014989 591379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is, indeed, a Chrome dev. < 1344014990 86223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, presumably the feature is intended to contain programs written specifically to run under it, as opposed to being a general purpose sandbox mechanism < 1344015008 879088 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for GNC. < 1344015013 818218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, GNC? < 1344015018 454674 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Native Client. < 1344015021 453651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1344015032 935347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they now use it. < 1344015045 499076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were actually thinking of dropping seccomp, then GNC went “NO NO WANT” and then this happened. < 1344015050 377894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful for the normal sandboxing that chrome does anyway < 1344015056 57512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably is. < 1344015066 918225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This actually makes native client-esque things *really easy*. < 1344015115 801661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't Chrome's plugin thing on the old seccomp or something? < 1344015137 209785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chrome 20 On Linux Gives Seccomp Filters For Flash" says Google. < 1344015142 637197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The search, not the company.) < 1344015174 483718 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's done for Windows? < 1344015199 303941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also don't they canonically and puntastically abbreviate that thing as NaCl?) < 1344015207 515225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1344015272 176979 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Segmentation to restrict the address space code can access, an ABI designed so they can statically verify certain things. < 1344015316 105161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember the nop-padding so that all branch targets are divisible by something so that they can guarantee nothing jumps in the middle of an opcode. < 1344015317 208565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, they do, but I refuse. < 1344015319 826745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the grounds that no. < 1344015332 453881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natrium Client. Native Chloride. < 1344015335 240689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, that's part of it. < 1344015355 609010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for NaCl, though; do they do any sandboxing for the Flash plugin on Windows? < 1344015398 397576 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pepper plugin API runs under NaCl, yes. < 1344015428 771852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's part of the same thing. < 1344015441 496584 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ Valve sez: OpenGL is faster than Direct3D... even on Windows. < 1344015452 489240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They are using DirectX 9, though. < 1344015468 17286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice URL. < 1344015472 888742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is Microsoft's old shit that they only keep around for backwards compatibility. < 1344015501 566724 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Uh, then why are they using it? < 1344015510 843505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Newer versions don't work on XP. < 1344015516 357059 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Microsoft is a bunch of assholes. < 1344015528 912020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an "advanced DirectX 11" seminar 30 metres to the left few hours ago, with Smash/Fairlight speaking. It was... popular. < 1344015531 368204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have idea make a different kind of computer, there is no operating system but BIOS calls require NMI which also enables the other hardware to be used, or you can move a jumper to always enable the other hardware and disable the security system (which, other than this, is similar to a UNIX security). You can move another jumper to reflash the BIOS ROM if you want to change it. < 1344015539 834685 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the first time they've made a version of DirectX that *doesn't* work on older Windows, FWIW) < 1344015563 427333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of DirectX works only on Windows 8? < 1344015597 999127 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. DirectX 11.1 ships with it, but they might intend to do a release for Windows 7 at some point. < 1344015643 171593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: DirectX 9 isn't available for Windows 95; 8.0a is newest. Or so they say. < 1344015678 677811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, look, they broke compatibility with the *oldest* version they could possibly work with. < 1344015712 370393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Wikipedia table implies (though doesn't quite say) that 8.1 is also the best you can get on 98, Me and 2000. < 1344015719 764602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of DirectX works only on Windows 9.999? < 1344015739 55739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've *used* 9 on 2000. < 1344015783 578115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35 "Supported operating systems: Windows 7, Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1, Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 2, Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista, Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows XP Service Pack 3" (Could be a different download, of course.) < 1344015807 733878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. < 1344015811 958475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did break compatibility with 9.c, yes. < 1344015879 87172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, even a nitpicky counter-example is still a counter-example. :p < 1344015899 953923 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem you could use older versions of DirectX 9 on Windows 98, though. < 1344015924 132512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they went and made it so you couldn't use DirectX 10 on XP. ... Which, at the time, was the most popular version of Windows. < 1344015935 466784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :98, but maybe not on 95. (Or NT 4.0.) < 1344015943 704944 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even now is at least significant enough you might well want to support it. < 1344015958 386025 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1344015967 284869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've been playing with Game of Life rules < 1344015992 404248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know if there is a spaceship possible in B3/S12 < 1344016001 376964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it doesn't seem like there's anything newer than DirectX 3 for NT 4.0. So there, they've broken it twice, even when looking at major numbers only. < 1344016010 524096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find one in B3/S125 but not in B3/S12 yet < 1344016087 686768 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :valve is also a bunch of assholes :> < 1344016107 724031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one bunch of assholes can get annoyed by another < 1344016127 14724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I think there's a database of whether certain lifelike rules have spaceships. < 1344016129 21163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up on the left: "Occlusion culling for the next generation", by someone from Umbra. < 1344016129 938938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall where it is, though. < 1344016192 104358 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344016210 797702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spaceship I found in B3/S125 is pretty neat. It moves at c/6 diagonally < 1344016223 491637 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1344016340 613693 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I don't recognise you. You new? < 1344016372 997032 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1344016382 123698 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1344016423 591784 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome FreeFull < 1344016435 28221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1344016449 969766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You welcome him too. Learn some manners from the other bots. < 1344016451 815665 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " my beautiful zoe, i live only for glory, but he does not resemble me. you well know, that without the guide and light of sound, well-understood principles, all those evils which are attributed to corruption may, with equal wisdom, provided for the return of the bourbons. < 1344016457 35145 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason I didn't do that earlier is because that's usually used for people who haven't indicted that they're aware that this is not for "the other kind of esoterica" < 1344016463 137680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh... maybe not quite in that way. < 1344016469 768065 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've indicated awareness, so it's all good < 1344016532 332535 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the befunge family for some reason < 1344016544 584841 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is written in befunge < 1344016545 563978 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: false policy in our war with france or america, the refuge of the oppressed from everywhere ( who can pay fifty dollars' fnord one except a fnord up for human rights everywhere, even helping china let people in free when she wants to collect fifty dollars upon them. < 1344016559 268381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive < 1344016562 986449 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ver < 1344016563 860530 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1344016589 797020 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, two important questions? < 1344016598 517866 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you live in Hexham? < 1344016601 88364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1344016607 237579 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Finland? < 1344016613 149214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1344016617 15344 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1344016620 5051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1344016635 783220 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're statistical anomalies in the esoteric world < 1344016638 239718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1344016638 987700 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1344016643 572059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see what makes fungot tick there. < 1344016644 938719 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but there is one member of the committee of public safety. irruption of the mob, one a term of fifty, another a term of twenty-eight years. in ten years. < 1344016647 274212 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in High Wycombe < 1344016691 586761 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not really near Hexham nor Finland < 1344016731 173779 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1344016731 457942 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches* ss wp youtube < 1344016736 362767 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's a town in Northumberland where at least 1 in 6000 people are in this channel RIGHT NOW < 1344016738 502115 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot do markov modelling? < 1344016739 913844 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the following is a list of the fnord of nations. but, it is impossible, sir, this defence is unworthy of a man, and diffident about appearing before legislative bodies, and of manly sincerity for which i have mentioned, have no objection to the " greatest happiness fnord supposition which may be found among its defects. < 1344016790 748919 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is similar, but a country that isn't in Northumberland < 1344016794 411090 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344016839 204193 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hexham has population 12000ish) < 1344016842 160021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 in 6000 people in finland are in here? < 1344016854 781699 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The population of Finland is a lot smaller than I thought < 1344016855 970120 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1344016871 331576 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about 15% of this channel is Finnish < 1344016874 399280 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including fungot < 1344016875 241514 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " now you talk like a human being who is fnord around and teaching school, and thou must be. < 1344016895 644928 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344016901 77628 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's source link doesn't seem to work < 1344016901 346862 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :We are fnord around the teaching school | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1344016901 997372 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: a radical war song, a. lincoln. washington. february 3, 1862_ a change. but nowhere has the revolution been more complete and violent than in england. < 1344016902 922547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's timing out < 1344016915 462626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1344016916 150981 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1344016937 331794 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1344016964 851000 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fix it please? < 1344016966 601062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'd spew out my usual few-hundred-word explanation of fungot babble, but I've done it so many times... but yeah, it technically speaking has the Markov property. It generates by sampling from a variable-length n-gram model, implementation-wise. < 1344016967 518442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i say, blame him for this? not merely because i had unworthily filled the chair of the house of commons. < 1344016973 420366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It works for me. :/ < 1344016977 413637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not even at home. < 1344016996 878040 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has fungot's server's ISP fell out with the UK? < 1344016997 734120 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it is the law. < 1344017007 766534 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as a yes < 1344017019 835058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Seems that it works over IPv6, but not over IPv4. I'll try to get it fixed at some point, but not from here. < 1344017034 303393 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, IPv6 is rare in the UK < 1344017039 696637 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP is shitty and doesn't offer IPv6 < 1344017043 710280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meanwhile, fungot.b98 is at http://sprunge.us/hGRJ < 1344017044 888150 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if i have anything to do with the question. yet it does somehow happen that this evening, and the hateful institution, like a second deity, fnord to the senate. < 1344017050 352614 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters at the objections to NaCl < 1344017059 133898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not HTML" is an actual objection. < 1344017077 267319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript isn't HTML either < 1344017086 471143 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, people think the HTML/Javascript/bullshit stack is *actually good* < 1344017092 840427 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Google should focus on improving that. < 1344017122 265007 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*This* is the reason Mozilla doesn't intend to support NaCl. < 1344017136 302951 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1344017187 70868 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sodium chloride? < 1344017200 18956 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla doesn't support table salt? < 1344017209 563246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :native client < 1344017217 429717 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, http://hpaste.org/raw/72555 < 1344017223 701074 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made of sodium and chloride, therefore it's poisonous < 1344017226 923364 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it cached < 1344017261 666332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the whole lack-of-portability aspect in NaCl is going away. Google's currently trying to make it so it works using LLVM bytecode. < 1344017300 800007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: fizzie already linked a copy < 1344017303 973036 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they won't have it on by default in Chrome until that's done. < 1344017304 627497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Impressive < 1344017307 227846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean you can program it in any programming language which can compile to LLVM? < 1344017317 168315 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1344017320 190979 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see that < 1344017331 578126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Could you retry the original source URL. For some reason, even the v4 access suddenly started to work for me, while I was tcpdumping to find out what's wrong. < 1344017333 328473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1344017348 10559 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's up? < 1344017355 643145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weirdest. < 1344017356 916439 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like an ISP problem? < 1344017362 281678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't change any configuration or anything. < 1344017367 277866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it might require a few extra bits so it'll comply with the portable NaCl ABI, *but* that seems like a very minor thing. < 1344017381 592009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they could be inbound-filtering port 80 but they haven't so far. < 1344017389 732265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why it'd suddenly start working. < 1344017399 763991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSHing in worked the whole time. < 1344017422 704362 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Common Lisp in the browser? < 1344017425 927389 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1344017430 347599 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Yes. < 1344017442 660265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think it would include: C, C++, Objective-C, Objective-C++, Haskell, LLVM IR coding, possibly others too, does it include Pascal? < 1344017452 447560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +. < 1344017453 81333 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1344017458 367053 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1344017459 916955 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quite plausibly. < 1344017460 467619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woops < 1344017462 497837 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, C can be compiled to LLVM, right? So Tcl? < 1344017468 23752 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Yes. < 1344017490 448481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You hit my "on the TODO list for the last several months" bug of not filtering CTCP control character (\x01) on the first try. Congratulations. < 1344017523 101477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: There's already some work on Tcl in NaCl, BTW. < 1344017526 397361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[.<]!hello < 1344017526 993214 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olleh < 1344017529 782136 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Python? < 1344017541 382714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1344017541 978180 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome < 1344017545 317917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have checked, LLVM now could support the Pascal ranged types, I guess, since you can specify the valid range when loading a value. < 1344017547 626716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many of those are brainfuck things. < 1344017554 496760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Many of those are very inane.) < 1344017614 210459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have been told that LLVM cannot optimize brainfuck codes very well. < 1344017627 506614 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, cool < 1344017627 694376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Also, anything on NaCl has access to the HTML DOM. < 1344017627 881971 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl > Javascript? < 1344017691 184709 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, Is there an API for that or something < 1344017801 138160 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah. < 1344018012 588733 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344018405 382688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +.++++ +++[- >++++ ++++< ]>+.+ +.<++ ++[-> ++++< ]>+.< +++[- >---< ]>--.+++++ +.-.< +++++ +[->- ----- <]>-- ----- ---.< +++++ ++++[ ->+++ ++++++<]>+ +++++ .<+++ [->-- -<]>- ----. --..+ ++++. ----- --.<+ ++[-> +++<]>++++ +.<>>>>>+. < 1344018405 570109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it too long < 1344018534 352501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look cut off. < 1344018559 138473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a netsplit kind of thing. < 1344018576 325544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As seen from the bot's console IRC-rawlog, we all don't exist. < 1344018613 622613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix it < 1344018627 304675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I? < 1344018631 362822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's Freenode's job. < 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:lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018764 131520 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018764 331003 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018764 671493 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018765 215235 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018765 825189 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018767 53041 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018767 240812 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1344018825 799196 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1344018839 842151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, freenode people: fix it. < 1344018847 926386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm sure you're sniffing in our private things.) < 1344019035 483913 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 484621 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 484716 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 484800 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 484879 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 484957 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485034 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485111 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485267 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-211.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485345 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485500 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485577 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485814 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485891 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 485970 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486047 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486123 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486200 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486277 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486353 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486430 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 486507 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hfktctoiclygapqb JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672021 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672206 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672371 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672448 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672526 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672604 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672681 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672804 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672884 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 672964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 673044 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 673122 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 673198 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 673277 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019035 673354 :cknz!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019056 132888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened on the other side of that split < 1344019062 806296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome things. < 1344019064 365125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING netsplittest < 1344019083 275467 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was on your side < 1344019099 405579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but fungot was on another side. < 1344019102 397124 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " it pronounces that there exists a real, not a blemish upon it; for it seems to be, either a truism or a contradiction in terms; and that difficulty is as complete in the case of a mere majority ( say of one) shall pass with them and with least inconvenience to the litigants. it was pleasant to hear that i am not one of them to know that a salutary change has taken place which makes them ten times as strong as the reas < 1344019124 861911 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019136 740965 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1344019144 271042 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to find out < 1344019184 552435 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was on the log bot's side < 1344019193 571264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw both fungot and fizzie split away from me < 1344019194 249542 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: whilst the inferior people were thus insensibly led into a better order, the foundation of other thrones: they must be just as true for the punjab and the united provinces, that there are < 1344019202 701529 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So seems to be a multi-server split < 1344019213 2393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some appear to be slow < 1344019250 948153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You can just filter any character whose value is below 32 < 1344019251 576210 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in reference to every case, showing the determined and daring character of the men i see at these tables, or how soon our better half of human nature < 1344019264 417368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean fizzie < 1344019271 253707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: But then I couldn't have any bold. < 1344019277 310012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had it that way originally.) < 1344019282 73369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it only filters 10. < 1344019324 624978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FreeFull < 1344019324 851976 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filters 10 because otherwise someone could take control of the bot? < 1344019331 897290 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1344019349 767323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344019354 414881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns into a . < 1344019356 723913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should filter at least 0x00 0x0A 0x0D and perhaps also 0x01 0x03 0x07 < 1344019360 597867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ., I mean. < 1344019374 195733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might filter 13 too. < 1344019382 403823 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me your previous work FreeFull < 1344019385 437329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should filter 13 too. < 1344019387 604539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++.+++. < 1344019388 142191 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1344019389 810639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1344019399 718162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++..>.<.. < 1344019400 410173 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1344019402 575127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not 0. < 1344019406 851193 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do for infinite loops? < 1344019411 154188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just results in a truncated message, though. < 1344019412 550310 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm afraid I don't have any < 1344019414 254618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :times out < 1344019420 475315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to filter 0. < 1344019437 551683 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf [+.] < 1344019445 344284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+.] < 1344019445 571967 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1344019451 65572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Actually, it "filters" 0 in that it doesn't output it. It just cuts it at that point. < 1344019462 112784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was like.. wtf was that < 1344019463 274361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It runs something like 30k or 100k cycles of the underlying intermediate bytecode. < 1344019469 17918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[] < 1344019474 492671 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1344019478 31249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filter 0 like that is OK I guess < 1344019500 680352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf .-. < 1344019505 604231 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -. < 1344019505 924096 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1344019513 521519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? < 1344019523 18160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1344019527 117143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cells are wraparound with 8 bits, and the tape is 1000 cells and cyclic. < 1344019569 215832 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+] < 1344019608 612385 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344019636 402062 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1344019641 905289 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1344019718 989944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^code < 1344019721 361468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^code a < 1344019731 272873 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019812 550682 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Google Web Store requirement part is annoying < 1344019838 319054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 GB MicroSD cards are fascinating... That you can fit that much in something so small < 1344019898 134448 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344019899 48171 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently that's going to change < 1344019941 373781 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, imagine how it will be like in 3 years < 1344019947 359940 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 GB MicroSDs... < 1344019952 757158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... < 1344019955 979149 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to procedurally generate sand dunes heightmap < 1344020015 61130 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: so.. i know you didn't ask my opinion but, what is under a desert? < 1344020016 776172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344020028 706472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does what is under a desert affect the shape of the dunes? < 1344020028 894343 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, rock, generally < 1344020061 628465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can we assume that sand dunes form upon a base of sand? :D < 1344020089 652787 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, how's that going? < 1344020091 174102 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly its better to just let me on my way < 1344020191 319956 :kallisti_!~eris@h71.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344020249 100059 :kallisti_!~eris@h71.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1344020737 386474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you invent any game played using snooker balls or pool balls? < 1344020878 149631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one better than fantasy classique < 1344020894 211840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1344020946 62716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_billiards < 1344021080 634553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: naturally < 1344021082 330219 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1344021189 700269 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we begin by adding a cage net around the table < 1344021199 67922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and installing ramps < 1344021241 811495 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and placing some of the pockets on the top of cylinders on the table < 1344021263 38252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you strike the ball if there is a cage net? < 1344021276 301722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a good point < 1344021284 268994 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stick the cue through the holes < 1344021285 849905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1344021303 141053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not a better game than fantaisie classique :) < 1344021394 581156 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you could use a spider i suppose < 1344021470 202329 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. perhaps something where both players send the balls to smash together < 1344021496 410646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is snooker the one with the mushrooms on the table? < 1344021507 583681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1344021523 640912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snooker is the one with fifteen red balls and various other color of balls on the table. < 1344021532 314810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 balls, 1 hole, and a countdown after which both players may hit their ball precisely once < 1344021549 361348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's "bar billiards" < 1344021580 721068 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1344021582 873645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not it < 1344021584 552513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1344021592 706912 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :snooker trick shots can be quite interesting to watch < 1344021603 268841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you guys really know a lot < 1344021617 255191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I don't find that type of sport interesting in themselves < 1344021636 192245 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, i feel like i wasted my life by not learning largely useless trivia < 1344021660 324002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, snooker is snooker? < 1344021762 945751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1344021766 192893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_pool < 1344021803 313148 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344021804 95017 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-253-66.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1344021808 975828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no, snooker is played on a much larger board? < 1344021822 359977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know what you are going on about. < 1344021822 547979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with smaller balls than that picture < 1344021834 315177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : is snooker the one with the mushrooms on the table? oh it's "bar billiards" found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_pool < 1344021838 950964 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is successfully found the game i was looking for, so you can talk to ourself about it < 1344021840 626852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not the same thread of thought? < 1344021841 945122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I < 1344021854 601264 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-232-24.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1344021876 843484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no? < 1344021941 236187 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-158-211.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344022540 688326 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344022758 527587 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344022793 895672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1344023819 132110 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344023908 247848 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1344023926 510440 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344024107 247193 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344024288 364742 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-150-215.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344024664 114824 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :alg < 1344024681 650629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, rithm < 1344024693 324899 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344024760 613629 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c < 1344024768 282076 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344024795 398969 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbage an < 1344024815 166803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :d waffle < 1344025245 125258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344025259 819381 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of subreddits... < 1344025475 425285 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8 < 1344025646 37519 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344025800 579522 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what do you think of this? (In #tcl person who'd rather see 8.6 released ASAP even if coredumps occur) < 1344026261 248014 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :confucius say billiards is wrong because man with nine balls cannot walk < 1344026443 277682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confucius smart < 1344027008 544040 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344027219 576667 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344028557 477175 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theat < 1344028591 278148 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhythm < 1344028616 128498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344028742 321283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is very wrong here: http://www.gamingunion.net/newsimg/theatrhythm-final-fantasy-review.jpg < 1344029120 890201 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1344029581 671680 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344029647 413705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Tardis monad? < 1344029724 782910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/DanBurton/tardis it seems < 1344029755 813692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misread monad as command < 1344029761 336967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So was thinking Tcl instead of Haskell < 1344029780 577135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as punishment you shall have to implement that. < 1344030175 119667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already trying to get my mind around doing dynamically-scoped variables in the presence of coroutines < 1344030241 356900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being told not to try using a seemingly useful Tcl command because it's likely to be buggy, and I might cause a core dump and if that happens, then they'll have to fix it which will delay release < 1344030377 343816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently lexand__ isn't one of the 5-HT_2A agonist people. < 1344030382 679125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought everyone you knew was. < 1344030399 650311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/e_/ < 1344030694 569978 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344030720 616937 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344031285 603851 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs < 1344032885 80052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1344032912 189006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was vacillating between Lisp and Tcl in February? Really? < 1344032945 825108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1344033182 315400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with Lisp, as long as you choose the right implementation < 1344033194 514536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket and Clojure are nice < 1344033207 49944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i'm interested in total functions. i think they're wonderful things. < 1344033209 761435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has become a Tcl person. < 1344033317 906525 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, finally out of the closeTCLoset. but i can't help feeling that my way of discussing it is inappropriate < 1344033372 387562 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my business < 1344033474 401168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, so elliott once wanted to make a Tcl-inspired language < 1344033477 573276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that go? < 1344033570 601761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do it < 1344033580 89367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's new language is tclish < 1344033592 257198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you're not a tcl person because you won't be a tcl person in N days for some N < 1344033641 825479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Tcl-liker? < 1344033686 964136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: some random seeding with MCell doesn't seem to throw up any spaceships for your CA... < 1344033728 364706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only few oscillators < 1344033836 571415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff seems to move not very far from the seeded rectangle < 1344033847 111112 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's stupid that you thought that < 1344033869 448908 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in a bad mood so i'm not going to try to be nice about it < 1344033870 448131 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1344033898 343516 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull made a CA? < 1344033910 438632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mentioned one < 1344033916 987282 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't had a good CA discussion in ages (oko doesn't count because he just monologues.) < 1344033928 690088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :B12/S3 isn't complicated enough to be unknown < 1344033950 478977 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1344033953 362312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi :( < 1344033962 530425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means -> google < 1344033987 594746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/ < 1344033988 434085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is it < 1344033998 295882 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :B1 makes all patterns infinitely growing, FWIW. < 1344034002 672561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b12s3/ < 1344034007 988803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FreeFull http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b12s3/ < 1344034008 358798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1344034082 599343 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note that that website hasn't been updated with Gemini. < 1344034102 734861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: er < 1344034111 804829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*B3/S12 < 1344034153 797609 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: after visiting the brothel that one time i bought a bottle of pheromones < 1344034170 974941 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real life you're talking about < 1344034173 311178 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it eventually leaked into my drawer also somehow < 1344034198 687246 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lol. that virtual reality which has both brothels and pheromones < 1344034202 752656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *B3/S12 < 1344034206 871355 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1344034213 192080 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, 3 gliders according to the site. < 1344034214 235206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems harder to google :( < 1344034221 941272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FreeFull sorry -- http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b3s12/ < 1344034222 148123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: which site? < 1344034222 446486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1344034226 211163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell FreeFull so there are gliders < 1344034226 398888 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both big, and ungainly. < 1344034226 605212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1344034230 609564 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't wanna know about my second life activities < 1344034230 799253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the one i linked??? < 1344034239 401056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: no i do < 1344034271 297044 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1D7D5.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344034289 9373 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have other stories.. but.. thats enough for today < 1344034344 795950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also saw the episode of bottom where they buy some pheromones and visit a bar < 1344034352 635710 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a later stage < 1344034432 157639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1344034443 442188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should we tell itidus21 and Sgeo to get a channel? < 1344034463 255223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i want to keep hearing itidus21's stories here < 1344034469 525755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1344034474 189713 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to cheer up kmc with that anecdote < 1344034485 554953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahhahah < 1344034499 52162 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did kmc's pheremone adventures go horribly wrong < 1344034516 991254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never play the theremin on pheromones < 1344034582 495273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks < 1344034582 683372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1344034585 297921 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, wait, what's the relevance of the 5-HT2A receptor? < 1344034598 652795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh, i didn't realise you were still in the channel, sorry :) < 1344034614 475830 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They are pretty big, no wonder I didn't find them < 1344034625 464467 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: a group of people studying and documenting the effects of different stuff if i understand right < 1344034672 281023 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what, all kmc's friends are neurochemists? < 1344034709 888097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... sorry by studying i meant using.. and < 1344034755 610448 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I just use golly < 1344034758 380909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: they are "chemists" who do things to neurons, if you catch my drift < 1344034769 660803 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is helping.. < 1344034779 267704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel. < 1344034815 941769 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But WP doesn't say 5-HT2A has anything to do with sex! < 1344034863 585298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b3s125/g1.html This is the same glider I found for B3/S125 < 1344034918 20171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, do you want me to ban everyone, including myself again? < 1344034944 613841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344034951 964829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1344034974 772734 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :+b *!*@* < 1344035024 821844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders if that means something in geek code < 1344035057 705816 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"With over 150 related products we have the KVM switching solution for you" < 1344035083 353386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chanmode +b *!*@* bans everybody < 1344035100 352958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1344035111 914149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan knows +b :P < 1344035114 475180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, i hope he does. < 1344035125 724822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably has his doubts. < 1344035127 171814 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what languages other than shell is :(){ :|:&};: legal code? < 1344035145 557451 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages where : is a line comment delimeter? < 1344035171 256606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know any where that's the case though < 1344035199 888871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could get that into a pascal program, {} is comments there < 1344035200 154120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's one < 1344035210 222890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's valid forth, if you make some predefinitions < 1344035214 298339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a rather trivial property < 1344035218 383547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ;: probably won't work < 1344035242 917816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it valid agda? (/me doesn't know agda but has heard rumors) < 1344035259 539921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be valid brainfuck (just treated entirely as a comment) < 1344035269 444811 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there isn't anything that isn't valid brainfuck < 1344035283 239274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ] i beg to differ < 1344035283 872451 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched []. < 1344035294 705947 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ooh, I think that's a legal Agda token. < 1344035302 781594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right < 1344035311 744599 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be valid brainfuck in this case < 1344035316 292531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: both of them? or even with the space? < 1344035323 798745 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf :(){ :|:&};: < 1344035328 625073 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, both. < 1344035346 863447 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :() has a special meaning but I suspect it needs whitespace for that. < 1344035474 622830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus is an SL person? < 1344035510 458441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there seems to be evidence for that < 1344035512 114934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: : is a line comment delimiter in TeX if you write \catcode`:=14 < 1344035674 798002 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344035714 875528 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably legal in Perl with some wrangling beforehand. < 1344035757 3008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes maybe. Try it < 1344035787 39579 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, kallisti, you're the poor fool who thinks perl is a good language. < 1344035865 493092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that although both Tcl and Lisp could make a good-looking do-like (as in Haskell's do) construct, it would be easier in Lisp because in Tcl you'd have to parse a string if you want it to look the way Tcl code generally looks < 1344035880 682507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I thought of how the macro in Ibtlfmm should be working: There is 2 kind of macros, file macros and module macros. Even module macros there is also 2 kind, open macros and closed macros. And it is possible for some module to import an open macro but export it as closed. < 1344035920 639164 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: what are you attempting to do? < 1344035946 950065 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :: as comment? < 1344035950 558957 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make :(){ :|&:};: legal code. < 1344035954 686908 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1344035980 51683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll assume source filters is cheating < 1344036018 545082 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what : does in perl actually < 1344036022 849783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way I know how : as comment is in TeX and in Forth if preceded and followed by a space. < 1344036052 322334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :source filters? < 1344036066 488101 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run perl code on the source files of other perl code before they're compiled < 1344036082 54959 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used to modify the language syntax. < 1344036097 10783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That.... does it receive the code as a string? < 1344036101 342520 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344036131 136732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... seems like it could be harder to deal with than Tcl, even though Tcl also sees Tcl code in terms of strings --- Tcl syntax is very simple < 1344036165 382166 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some modules that abstract over this to make it easy to define specific syntactic constructs < 1344036193 988925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to assume that Tcl is easier < 1344036225 26100 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not as flexible < 1344036295 258884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises an eyebrow < 1344036349 109671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you'd have some trouble (aka impossible) with whole-code transforms such as turning a bunch of stuff into CPS < 1344036484 162468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, how much do you know about Tcl? < 1344036566 602287 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to know that I'm not interested in this conversation < 1344036784 205621 :tswett!~tswett@thay.Stanford.EDU QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1344036875 865611 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-27.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344036907 505784 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-150-171.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344036965 934393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lisp, the code is lists, so you can use the same operations you'd use on lists of data to modify the code < 1344036977 915644 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344037190 601823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Tcl, the code is strings, and some strings are lists and all lists are strings... < 1344037207 561703 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344037210 970002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not perfect, not quite like Lisp, but it's workable < 1344037409 798845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell, the code is just a braided ring over a category of prepromorphisms, so you can use the same operations you'd use on braided rings over categories of prepromorphisms to construct a new code < 1344037507 302531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not workable, unlike Lisp and TCL, but it's perfect < 1344037747 663121 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-147-27.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344037759 130347 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-229-182.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric