< 1344038505 781206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: btw strings are an awful awful basis for a language < 1344038532 11078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I just figured out < 1344038544 697306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That if you take all odd numbers < 1344038560 123274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION braces for someone inventing cardinalities
< 1344038565 267594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*re- < 1344038581 611437 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1344038583 691556 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check this < 1344038610 31579 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nevermind < 1344038716 173943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts breathing again
< 1344038726 415139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never breathe < 1344038736 851283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1344038738 294186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1344038779 158351 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you have to breathe the air they want you to breath. < 1344038945 515648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you know they'll have poisoned you with dihydrogen monoxide < 1344038993 757290 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The air is full of dioxygen, an extremely reactive compound! < 1344039012 531814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O yes you are correct. I forgot. < 1344039051 579328 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, it's both acidic *and* alkaline! < 1344039056 904656 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't forget dinitrogen, which when breathed in sufficient amounts with cause loss of consciousness and then death < 1344039079 263100 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: You're thinking of dihydrogen monoxide < 1344039097 358395 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course. < 1344039109 562786 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean 'breathed in sufficient concentrations', though. < 1344039136 976787 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1344039297 984664 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :Chaaaaaang-Noi < 1344039321 376710 :Chaaaaaang-Noi!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1344043376 680138 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344043521 715867 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344043548 594858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks sternly at glogbackup
< 1344043762 716472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confused :( < 1344047117 710391 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-76.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344047118 347013 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-161-76.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344047130 38414 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-229-182.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344047415 736834 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-120.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344047441 986544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-76.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344047549 572858 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> sleep
< 1344047551 779121 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344047600 104597 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I'm on 29th street, in the—no joke—bright yellow house.” “Well, since you were so kind as to warn me, I should warn you. I'm bringing—no joke—bright yellow pants.” < 1344047646 803528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :follow the yellow brick joke < 1344047683 346276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot a joke, it's an anecdote. < 1344047696 486992 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1344047750 249779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who told you that? < 1344047766 354585 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the second speaker. < 1344047779 147483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reliable man made of straw < 1344047786 970710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have bright yellow pants? < 1344047790 297133 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344047797 418751 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now! < 1344047802 403828 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to be hemmed though. < 1344047828 746877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you buy it after you told them that? < 1344047846 524280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course not, the first speaker was the tailor who I'm hiring to hem the pants. < 1344047886 688185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, the man with the larger-than-life pants < 1344047899 353809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hats < 1344047904 617724 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They shipped unhemmed. They're like 36x40. < 1344048130 612516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1344048324 550992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1344048642 595850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1344048897 894314 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-250-120.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344048904 415616 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-124.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344049763 457080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you use unofficial opcodes in 6502 assembly codes? < 1344051010 342977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-144-124.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344051024 976360 :pikhq!~pikhq@71.34.145.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344052060 312600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that, while I do have some problems with Tcl, I don't _think_ they ultimately stem from being string-based. < 1344052088 336160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One looks like it at first, but it seems like it could have been different while still being string-based < 1344052130 971413 :TUX_!~TUX_@unaffiliated/tux/x-9266496 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344052241 47255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome TUX_ < 1344052248 873025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUX_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1344052259 358223 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344052306 688428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344052756 281366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although.... one of the things that makes metaprogramming in Tcl somewhat easy is that commands are lists. They're strings, but they're also lists < 1344052776 68121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my problem is that a bunch of commands aren't really lists, they're just... scripts < 1344052785 485354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, one of my problems) < 1344054184 852333 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344054371 384568 :TUX_!~TUX_@unaffiliated/tux/x-9266496 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344054390 881483 :TUX_!~TUX_@ool-457bc796.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344055417 81464 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344055474 536034 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344056255 206872 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344056256 109641 :ogrom_!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344056292 782437 :ogrom_!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1344056668 43630 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344056681 529074 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344056841 672385 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344056863 898848 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344056972 833030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mathematics the real reality? < 1344057012 88024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :YE < 1344057013 999046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ye < 1344057121 872366 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344057166 620304 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1344057170 725580 :mig22_!~mig@bb115-66-152-35.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Client Quit < 1344057566 907124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion about this? http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=193905 (please read four pages) < 1344057961 896063 :TUX_!~TUX_@ool-457bc796.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344057983 586553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was mathematics the real reality before humans? is reality real if noone realizes? < 1344058015 461651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i want the answers < 1344058057 803312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Good because I don't know the answers. < 1344058114 444740 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, one must consider that numbers are not necessary for mathematics < 1344058156 594127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if numbers are just symbols of measurement < 1344058168 24217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbers are just one possible mathematical system, but still very useful to be used with other mathematical systems and other things too. < 1344058175 580654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: can i play the kmc and point out that you have no idea what you're talking about < 1344058189 669814 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. also representation < 1344058195 825859 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact they are symbols outright < 1344058230 999850 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok < 1344058471 337997 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that one might say i am engaged in (some adjective could fit here) speculation < 1344058493 48998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that i am gaining very little because of it < 1344058666 620175 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344058896 94176 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1344060006 696230 :pikhq!~pikhq@71.34.145.253 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344060012 101847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1344060016 249396 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344060102 930571 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-46.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344061687 83894 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344061693 271358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :God *is* the rules. Therefore, how can God not follow the rules of physics? < 1344061814 957806 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344063865 594789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344064119 105416 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344064544 58005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It strikes me how easy it is to write bad Tcl code. < 1344065685 620719 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344065974 29496 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: one might correctly say that all of the time < 1344065989 340511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've been called "Sego" by a Clojure person < 1344066033 274038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clojurefun.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/macro-magic-the-xor-macro-38-2/comment-page-1/#comment-7 < 1344066719 505487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well! < 1344067114 658056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to force the users of a library to monkey-patch catch. < 1344067123 45763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it almost seems the most correct thing to do < 1344067973 843808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl has a feature that would enable exactly what I need but it's reportedly very buggy < 1344068469 322734 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344068682 89232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome epicmonkey < 1344068691 472010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1344068704 656623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-132.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344068755 97022 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-48.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344069064 846266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sorry. :-( < 1344069484 156926 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR BLA BLA BLA. What has happened? I don't feel rage anymore. < 1344069502 803985 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME epicmonkey < 1344069506 917884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :EPICMONKEY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1344069524 386600 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's way much better. < 1344069641 383536 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-231-132.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1344069649 76960 :pikhq!~pikhq@70-56-226-3.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344071756 701339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly I have an urge to write a fault tolerant IRC bot... Why... < 1344071837 52290 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344071860 153275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ epicmonkey < 1344071863 876369 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＥＰＩＣＭＯＮＫＥＹ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬ < 1344072134 773798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what about a lower case double-width one? < 1344072145 466798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Feel free. < 1344072151 347879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, too much work < 1344072577 530017 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344072597 472365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You've used astyle, right? < 1344072601 117969 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344072651 101233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344072897 678519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, astyle can do that? < 1344072904 145825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that unrelated < 1344072913 207963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I used it, was ages ago though < 1344072927 377605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is it any good? < 1344072947 31506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Like any such tool for C it has problems with macros containing unbalanced { and } < 1344072968 776424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the market for something to reformat a ~85k-line C++ program. < 1344072973 215521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No macro hackery that I know of. < 1344072980 505209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :used it for C, no clue how well it works for C++ < 1344072986 771900 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if zalgo works... < 1344072989 913725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to teach it about custom formatting rules for certain functions? < 1344072997 651921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1344073002 946784 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`̸W̷̸̛E̢L̷͘C҉OM͢͜E̷ epicmonkey < 1344073005 870728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ̸W̷̸̛E̢L̷͘C҉OM͢͜E̷: not found < 1344073011 256149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I was debugging a legacy embedded system running Windows CE the other day. < 1344073014 921220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a function that should be formatted with two parameters two a line < 1344073016 3730 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck < 1344073021 317595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just wrapping at 80 cols < 1344073025 594785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*two parameters to < 1344073025 775014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the CPU of the system was a Pentium MMX < 1344073032 893633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know if that would be feasible? < 1344073048 325179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it possible to teach it about custom formatting rules for certain functions? <-- don't remember < 1344073054 885394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1344073055 232545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1344073110 606248 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I was debugging that system from another similar system that was talking with it it over a CAN bus. < 1344073145 149157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds awful < 1344073166 340940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah, the system I was debugging had no ethernet, so thus the middle step there < 1344073266 189023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, if you think toughbooks are rugged, you haven't seen the hardware I'm working with nowdays. < 1344073293 651708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is content with the normal kind of machines
< 1344073305 548296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344073320 263426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "XMM" just "MMX" backwards or is there something more to it? < 1344073353 514068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I believe XMM stands for something in itself. That doesn't mean the abbreviation is a coincidence however < 1344073392 52887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SII stand for something in itself? < 1344073402 564313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, which SII? < 1344073409 669006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the samsung phone? < 1344073444 288008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SII = \x -> x x < 1344073452 910660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1344073463 61640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well it obviously stands for "Something In Itself" < 1344073464 6932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1344073494 470764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Р < 1344073498 111339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As monqy would say.) < 1344073532 261096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hi. < 1344073630 564383 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho. < 1344073673 489701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tell me about code reformatters. < 1344073698 638950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans are the best. < 1344073711 267383 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Never really used any.) < 1344073720 729402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1344073727 74389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not reformatting an 85k-line codebase by hand.) < 1344073746 179467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I broke this one good: < 1344073747 219520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff.h: In instantiation of ‘T random_choose_weighted_(int, int, T, Args ...) [with T = int; Args = {scroll_type}]’: < 1344073747 417050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff.h:121:66: recursively required from ‘T random_choose_weighted_(int, int, T, Args ...) [with T = int; Args = {scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type}]’ < 1344073750 329254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff.h:121:66: required from ‘T random_choose_weighted_(int, int, T, Args ...) [with T = int; Args = {scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type}]’ < 1344073754 318530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff.h:127:59: required from ‘T random_choose_weighted(int, T, Args ...) [with T = scroll_type; Args = {int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type, int, scroll_type}]’ < 1344073776 57419 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you have to? < 1344073781 962524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's ugly. < 1344073794 522013 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most code is. That doesn't mean you need to reformat all of it. < 1344073822 174845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's making me sad. < 1344073829 651692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indent < 1344073855 288478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does indent even support C++? < 1344073881 953992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1344073895 61562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've told you everything I know about code reformatters! < 1344073902 285646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you reformatting Crawl's code? < 1344073940 248816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly. < 1344073960 367674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they accept your changes? < 1344073969 685293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you fork it? :-( < 1344073973 291780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliotts-crawl < 1344074041 508382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: unable to find string literal operator ‘operator"" EOL’ < 1344074042 197956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1344074053 380959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: Tell me about code reformatters. <-- There are really good ones for Java and C#. Can't think of any perfect one for C or C++ < 1344074112 737313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the built-in vim one? < 1344074122 560156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That totally counts. < 1344074140 292700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a vim user < 1344074272 699968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm about to spam. Fair warning. < 1344074273 652902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- T chosen = first; < 1344074273 998759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- int cweight = weight, nargs = 100; < 1344074274 179475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1344074274 179693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- while (nargs-- > 0) < 1344074274 179806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- { < 1344074275 208801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- const int nweight = va_arg(args, int); < 1344074277 279938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if (nweight < 0) < 1344074279 220800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- break; < 1344074281 247505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1344074283 259708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- const int choice = va_arg(args, int); < 1344074285 234465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if (random2(cweight += nweight) < nweight) < 1344074287 280231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- chosen = static_cast(choice); < 1344074289 352578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- } < 1344074291 248189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1344074618 349479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proper formatter would format it to while (nargs --> 0), of course. < 1344074644 782389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rewrote it to use a C++0x template. < 1344074652 796530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know if we really want to go in the C++0x route. < 1344074721 7976 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought C++0x doesn't exist anymore. < 1344074739 719314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, XD < 1344074753 251118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, C++11 < 1344074807 539040 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as i know, C++1y is the next standard < 1344074821 852414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++0xB < 1344074840 786232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as C++11 < 1344074845 528553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would that be C++0xD0? < 1344075054 57850 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 Gorillas 1 Poop http://youtu.be/9QYeYPYGNdc < 1344075311 507245 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/CLOP.html < 1344075322 927634 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344075337 884858 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1344075368 854608 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344075548 583584 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hahaha this game is funny < 1344075954 972396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is it as impossible as qwop? < 1344075969 527935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP isn't impossible. It's easy. < 1344076068 729414 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looool qwop is really cool < 1344076086 657199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, riiight? So you mastered it? < 1344076094 337550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove it < 1344076108 432780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I can get to the end reliably. < 1344076112 563263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's boring but easy. < 1344076115 444054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1344076141 107669 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how quickly though? < 1344076151 501599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very slowly. < 1344076154 338467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344076164 11524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to be fast? < 1344076194 667513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no timer, just a distance-measuring thing. < 1344076289 947705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the top of the first hill just now. < 1344076296 61705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems similarly boring so far. < 1344076325 292048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but less of a flat surface, at least. < 1344076346 25700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, I seen a speedrun of it? < 1344076351 718444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've* < 1344076385 904601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think these games are supposed to be boring < 1344076390 577761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you could try GIRP < 1344076404 725496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I won using only two keys. < 1344076407 806734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that count for something? < 1344076417 791327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in GIRP? < 1344076424 452882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QWOP < 1344076427 558916 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1344076431 183168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1344076434 548635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm past halfway in CLOP using only two keys too. < 1344076459 120925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hill is annoying, though. < 1344076712 287534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I died. < 1344076718 721167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That hill looks impassable using my strategy. < 1344076739 907360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a couple of gaits and couldn't make it work, then I gave up < 1344076746 74710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand I think I encountered a bug. < 1344076752 754120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the hind legs stopped working completely. < 1344076756 503932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344076757 538625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I was just doing it wrong. < 1344076763 474679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl? < 1344076796 304592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344076800 286176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only H and K did anything. < 1344076816 802147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1344076824 984037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably what "Lame Horse Mode" means. < 1344076828 766040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344076830 33244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1344077395 340287 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1344077832 321564 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a second hill? < 1344077900 962735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344077909 314007 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :P < 1344077929 754351 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your strategy to lame your back legs? < 1344077932 90474 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1344077935 163719 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just run < 1344077938 865405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I did, yes. < 1344078160 883695 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i suppose the second hill is bigger < 1344078294 381295 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be so much easier if the keys made any sense < 1344078328 699943 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can guess the reason but if it's that one, it's still so wrong. < 1344078345 347214 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make a custom keyboard layout! < 1344078553 132706 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds tedious < 1344078816 605936 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...unlike playing this for hours with keys i don't like? < 1344079096 835651 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random facts about Finnish: there’s a humorous euphemism for puking: speaking in Norwegian or phoning to Norway. In the context of the latter the toilet can be called a phone booth. < 1344079871 922107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344081113 180476 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13175B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347] < 1344081487 608388 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344081523 117352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you there? < 1344081528 436541 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344081551 757722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1344081586 22360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you mess with cfunge under cygwin ages ago? < 1344081591 284929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what the outcome of that was < 1344081615 511729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1344081618 627591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it worked < 1344081622 282539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1344082632 494447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, the whole thing built save for one small fix < 1344082738 293179 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344082798 642538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it gives a spurious BAD < 1344082799 364507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344082890 70379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I switched from Release to Debug and now it fails in a different place < 1344082923 541868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hello < 1344082934 963799 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1344082990 645807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: what are you doing < 1344082994 440817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: try saying a longer message < 1344083005 679238 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already checked my messages < 1344083011 45079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1344083011 891004 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would i know about that thing i knew about < 1344083014 515059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating < 1344083016 828319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1344083018 379368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1344083022 816113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very smart sometimes < 1344083111 73522 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344083141 895157 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344083150 815615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm... clock_gettime is /very/ broken on cygwin < 1344083766 263452 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344083885 301529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cygwin headers are broken if you use -std=c99 when using _POSIX_C_SOURCE < 1344083899 558966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just hide stuff based in __STRICT_ANSI__ < 1344084037 601776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can I have access to your Windows box? < 1344084039 823252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1344084043 220782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, why? < 1344084055 208101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to test some stuff. < 1344084056 820705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is windows, I wouldn't trust it to do multi user stuff securely < 1344084070 409084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I could compile something not too large under cygwin if you want. < 1344084090 872933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember cygwin is slow at fork()...) < 1344084122 918563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, what is up with the headers on cygwin, --std=gnu99 didn't show everything < 1344084138 930843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it doesn't show strdup! < 1344084235 391815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, -std=gnu99 does not define _GNU_SOURCE under cygwin... That is so broken < 1344084268 756382 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... uh... < 1344084271 728448 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are unrelated. < 1344084279 415952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, pretty sure they were related? < 1344084280 738324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=gnu99 should not define _GNU_SOURCE anywhere. < 1344084291 581350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, -std=gnu99 does NOT define _GNU_SOURCE anywhere. < 1344084293 370531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even on glibc. < 1344084300 611018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it used to? Or maybe it was -std=gnu89 that did? < 1344084303 882679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. < 1344084313 910651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okayt < 1344084327 467950 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway cygwin thinks strdup is _GNU_SOURCE < 1344084330 479872 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is POSIX dammit < 1344084332 460682 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If !STRICT_ANSI, then glibc gives you something like _POSIX_C_SOURCE=somethingerather _XOPEN_SOURCE=somethingerather < 1344084334 163035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, XSI < 1344084387 91934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, I'm using -std=c99 -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600, and that isn't doing the right thing on cygwin < 1344084401 832013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to STRICT_ANSI < 1344084414 580085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, then that's broken :) < 1344084426 506839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, it's Cygwin. Broken is the norm 8-D < 1344084447 486666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1344084459 977614 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I keep using nano shortcuts in emacs and emacs shortcuts in nano today -_- < 1344084604 726467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also altgr keeps activating the god damn window-icon menu of windows < 1344084606 653085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1344084649 275393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No good can come of using Windows, Vorpal. < 1344084651 742261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a fact. < 1344084660 141952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, true. < 1344084727 694792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: array subscript has type 'char' <-- huh? < 1344084740 971612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems perfectly legit to me as long as you have a small enough array < 1344084848 654000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reasoning is that char is sometimes signed, and using plain char you might expect it to be unsigned < 1344084858 194926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344084886 536269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange that I don't get that warning on Linux with gcc < 1344084930 292367 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauerkraut is so good. < 1344084944 638961 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you should know. < 1344085008 565629 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = foo[-50]; < 1344085017 945119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1344085020 22823 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think the reason web apps are so popular is everyone would rather deal with that shit than deal with Windows. < 1344085035 795444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You use Windows, right??? < 1344085043 84701 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally. < 1344085043 549709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You've used PDCurses, right???????????? < 1344085059 552102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1344085062 361029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, I could compile something not too large under cygwin if you want. < 1344085066 622346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually non-cygwin i'm concerned about alas < 1344085088 160646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you want to..... combine these interests???????????????????? < 1344085114 847506 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever used PDCurses on Windows, so I've already combined them. < 1344085118 62507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you after? < 1344085128 34159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is it then? < 1344085137 51319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate as well < 1344085147 7461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from MSDNAA) < 1344085227 846089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have this piece of code that has its own awful Win32 code and a POSIXy backend that uses ncurses. I want to see if I can axe the former and simply make the latter happen to not actually depend on POSIX at all, so I can just use PDCurses on Windows. But I don't have access to Windows : - ( < 1344085236 842858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just see if this kind-of-weak machine can support an XP VM. < 1344085239 986739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt it. < 1344085265 244116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf, as far as I can tell from the build process it should have TERM, yet it isn't there < 1344085295 92485 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344085322 776123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Another alternative might be MinGW cross-compilation, but uh... setting up PDCurses in such an environment sounds painful. < 1344085339 814312 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :set up RDP or teamviewer on someone's windows desktop < 1344085341 138508 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :to test it < 1344085346 137983 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has had to do that a couple of times.
< 1344085361 433538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, now all I need is a "someone" < 1344085396 192743 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's there to set up, all you need is the library? < 1344085442 197868 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just write the code perfectly the first time. What's the big deal? < 1344085473 739066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't actually know. Compiling on Windows natively is kind of a weirdly new and baffling experience for me. I'm not at all sure how it works. < 1344085503 785752 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C/C++? VS seems to be the best way to go these days. < 1344085524 565834 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a huge pain in the ass to set compile options in a GUI. :( < 1344085587 979350 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's not what you're confused about though.. < 1344085595 533445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather use MinGW... dealing with another compiler's foibles seems a bit painful, and I know even less about a non-GNU toolchain. < 1344085626 858193 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :does MinGW link to the Windows DLLs? < 1344085634 435549 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it uses its own. < 1344085639 978553 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1344085662 140226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does link to them afaik < 1344085673 877714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlike cygwin it doesn't add a layer in between < 1344085694 121799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I found 64-bit XP to be considerably lighter on VMs than 32-bit XP) < 1344085698 136196 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay. sure. do that. < 1344085703 39694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)$// < 1344085706 761489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why < 1344085715 48529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh < 1344085758 852624 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it is because it is based on a server OS (2003 server iirc?) rather than a client OS < 1344085784 35205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It (also AFAIK) does link to the MSVC runtime, yes. < 1344085812 326138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if PDCurses works on Win64. < 1344085814 228566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet fizzie knows. < 1344085821 794024 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, what I actually meant was "doesn't it link to its own DLL layer"? but apparently it doesn't < 1344085835 865007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be surprised if pdcurses didn't, but I can't be absolutely sure. < 1344085858 690216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinGW also (IIRC) uses kinda hacky header files, there's some kind of GCCified etc. < 1344086015 205468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, stdscr from ncurses is not an lvalue on cygwin < 1344086052 70931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the code looks the same < 1344086057 271088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the header) < 1344086077 879126 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344086093 621507 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is it a macro? maybe something inside the macro is defined differently < 1344086112 712993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, indeed the case, can't find where the macro is defined yet though < 1344086247 674550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I can find the definition on cygwin... but not on linux < 1344086261 452326 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344086262 850699 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1344086269 946393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, how can grep -R on /usr/include not find the definition of NCURSES_PUBLIC_VAR < 1344086272 392269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes no sense < 1344086279 977953 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because you gave it a bad regex < 1344086284 407703 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1344086286 876947 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it isn't there. < 1344086298 942978 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION exhausts the possibilities
< 1344086302 766491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I can find uses of it < 1344086308 951140 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I grepped for a plain string < 1344086317 190158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgrep -R NCURSES_PUBLIC_VAR /usr/include/ < 1344086329 170137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it must be there for the code to compile, since it is used < 1344086344 237517 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be passed in as a -D flag? < 1344086363 589977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344086372 239561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it seems it is hidden inside some ifdef < 1344086376 506718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :far away < 1344086377 901704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1344086446 483709 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo grep -R / < 1344086476 685824 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was a #ifdef way far out < 1344086501 937376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that code isn't actually compiled presumably < 1344086551 189956 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: check makefiles for various -D flags < 1344086817 583828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you know where i can find a completely legitimate copy of winxp x64 < 1344086830 606172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you a student at a university? < 1344086833 978223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then MSDNAA < 1344086844 846182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, otherwise: no clue < 1344086881 59676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, you can run 32-bit programs on win64, so I wonder if PDCurses works on Win64. is not really an issue < 1344086925 742317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by completely legitimate i mean completely illegitimate < 1344086934 310726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about that either < 1344086944 403810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, try the usual locations? < 1344086952 201694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok < 1344086965 142932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which "edition" do you have < 1344086967 69079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporate? < 1344086972 265121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pro I believe? < 1344086986 499789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the corporate edition is < 1344086998 641468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the volume license thingy? < 1344087003 203012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows XP Professional 64 bit Corporate Edition" < 1344087004 967146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord knows what it is < 1344087025 523093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had those things that don't do as much activation nonsense. < 1344087034 920652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. (Is no expert.) < 1344087045 393404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it could be that fancy volume license thingy that allows any number of licenses for a given company or so? < 1344087054 816322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, any number of installations* < 1344087161 281836 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that if Tcl is not going to use [] to surround top-level commands, it should at least have a built-in identity command more concise than return -level 0
< 1344087180 246531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does virtualbox have drivers for xp x64 < 1344087345 35849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :access to this website has been denied < 1344087345 216024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have been ordered by the High Court to prevent access to this website as it operates unlawfully. This is a legal obligation that we must comply with. The Court has found that the site and its users infringe copyright material in the UK. < 1344087345 216230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orange does not monitor customer's activities nor will we disclose personal details or any information about our customers to any third party unless legally compelled to do so. < 1344087351 59732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :urhgurhgurghruhgh fuck off you shitbags < 1344087362 86150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretty sure it does yes < 1344087367 100737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I used them :P < 1344087431 543810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, there seems to be no information on this "Corporate Edition" that i am suspicious of < 1344087454 174198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344087455 929453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, [lindex] works as id for one argument < 1344087471 49044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, 32-bit XP might run too. Or you could go for 2003 Server < 1344087596 789801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, german wikipedia has a "corporate edition" page that mentions windows xp, it interwiki links to "volume license key" < 1344087606 388918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1344087643 340084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, waybackmachine is broken on one link due to robots.txt < 1344088064 279379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm xubuntu installer crashed < 1344088078 616490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it doesn't like either linux software raid or lvm2 < 1344088121 109600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I love my desktop, I can run at least three non-trivial virtual machines without it becoming unresponsive. Haven't tried more < 1344088140 797016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one windows 7, one xubuntu and one windows xp 64-bit now) < 1344088191 533166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in total they have 8 GB RAM allocated) < 1344088199 92011 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344088272 499284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just "synclient PalmDetect=1"'d and am now wondering why I didn't try it before. < 1344088331 931804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1344088348 120341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have a Palm? < 1344088424 9500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, my Hand has a Palm. < 1344088448 288271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (And the laptop has a synaptics touchpad which has a palm-detect thing for the "misclicks from your palm when typing" thing.) < 1344088471 492476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1344088480 503953 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, so not a Palm PDA < 1344088496 353865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like you were trying to sync with it < 1344088498 367424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1344088503 258684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Right, no. < 1344088531 128484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I'm pretty sure I can set the palm detect thing from gpointer-settings or whatever it is called < 1344088543 688858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an ALPS though < 1344088549 636467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :still uses the synaptics driver iirc < 1344088562 334105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a xfce thing, the graphical settings things are kind of bare. < 1344088573 364363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found out a way to enable a Compose key yet. :p < 1344088592 593158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1344088615 302841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, think I did it in my .xinitrc by some xkb commands or such < 1344088627 518605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I did it from gnome 2 and then it just carried over into xfce < 1344088630 184073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also possible < 1344088644 447029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1344088645 399475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently on a gnome 2 laptop < 1344088646 727370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Palm, there's some kind of a Palm Pre(?) compatibility thing for the N900. < 1344088651 672609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1344088652 182318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They use the same hardware.) < 1344088656 30345 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1344088665 149969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same CPU? Or more than that? < 1344088681 459216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, same OMAP3 platform, so CPU, GPU and other such things. < 1344088686 944671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344088691 441331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different sensors and whatnot, but anyway. < 1344088699 825491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't run everything, but apparently it runs many game-like things that only do fullscreen OpenGL ES stuffs. < 1344088717 175261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Palm Pre have many of those? < 1344088737 581815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know. I think it has a couple. Though not really any sort of iOS-grade appcosystem. < 1344088742 122722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's like an ecosystem for apps.) < 1344088758 409058 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that Palm was very much a work device, targeted at corporations < 1344088820 961006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, do you know if there is any good open source real time OS? < 1344088833 754070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :vxworks is kind of out of my league for hobby projects < 1344088865 992681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there have been various RT versions of linux, but I don't know much about them < 1344088917 9666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that much about RT either. QNX has been used for soft-ish realtime stuffs. < 1344088926 656128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not open source either, of course. < 1344088954 576010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I want hardish real time in this case anyway < 1344088971 692887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people who work at companies do play games too. :p < 1344088977 927938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1344089032 151332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamespot.com/palm-webos/games.html?games=popular okay the selection doesn't look too impressive. :p < 1344089055 287936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1344089120 589314 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344089178 879459 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344089179 332699 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344089600 445612 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1344090390 115614 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344091900 470542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weirdest, 19 entries in the 1k competition. < 1344091904 664745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so popular. < 1344092008 390131 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1344092065 650403 :stanley!~stanley@cpc12-neat4-2-0-cust212.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344092065 868194 :stanley!~stanley@cpc12-neat4-2-0-cust212.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1344092065 868364 :stanley!~stanley@unaffiliated/stanley JOIN :#esoteric < 1344092292 698754 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344092353 71077 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344092610 79629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1344092628 717266 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why is it that designing software is so much more fun than implementing software. < 1344092920 530601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oldskool kombo had the typical 4 entries. < 1344092934 596056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This year they have a fixed list of platforms, and organizer-provided hardware. < 1344092940 318663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344092941 695913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fixed and a reasonably short list. < 1344092947 9104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which event is this? < 1344092961 309269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Assembly one. < 1344092964 531790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following platforms are allowed, no exceptions: < 1344092964 712138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore 64 + 1541-II < 1344092964 712343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore Plus/4 + 1551 / 1541-II < 1344092964 712453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commodore Amiga 500, 1MB Agnus, 512k chip/512k slow, Kickstart 1.3 < 1344092964 712559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari ST, 1MB, double sided floppy < 1344092967 70742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari 130xe + floppy < 1344092969 531851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSX1 + 3.5" drive < 1344092972 30504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinclair Spectrum 128k + tape < 1344092974 537443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amstrad CPC6128" < 1344092977 26633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not long. It doesn't even have the VIC-20. < 1344092985 113913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or many others you could name, but anyway. < 1344092994 977663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES or such, for example. < 1344092997 784820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344093001 238612 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344093018 287044 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1344093019 159608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also no modern systems at all < 1344093028 563149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I could imagine 1K for Arduino or such < 1344093034 724223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not for 1k. < 1344093036 409768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or however you spell that) < 1344093047 68701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well 1K would be 1Kb programs? no? < 1344093051 184000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1344093056 68177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's for modern platforms. < 1344093074 908501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1344093084 538591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so which platforms is 1k for then? < 1344093087 491638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, they have an oldschool compo with no size limits (well, except those imposed by those platforms), which had 4 entries, and a separate 1k competition where the compo machine is a modern thing. < 1344093094 11231 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were Linux, Windows and OS X entries. < 1344093099 449857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the hardware's x86. < 1344093100 397544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344093103 94310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this year? < 1344093113 193355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much ram does xp 64 bit want < 1344093127 192150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, let me see what I give it on the virtual machine on my laptop < 1344093141 62273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about this year? All I've said applies to this year. < 1344093147 208665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on my desktop I usually just throw 2 GB on anything that isn't windows 7 (in which case I throw 4 GB at it) < 1344093187 600472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on my laptop with 2 GB RAM I give winxp 64 pro 516 MB RAM < 1344093209 280176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't super fast, but it is much more responsive than 32-bit windows xp under the same conditions < 1344093223 391877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1344093225 675012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I don't know why it is 516 instead of 512 < 1344093226 196429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give 512 < 1344093245 988991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much storage space did you allocate :P < 1344093278 405364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 GB, dynamic allocated though. No idea how much of that is used < 1344093281 435985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1344093303 349304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't look like I shrunk that recently < 1344093308 79659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the disk image is 17 GB < 1344093314 722137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it is less than that though < 1344093322 357734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do have some software installed on it < 1344093323 331285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1344093343 400530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1344093349 458450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, 17 GB was windows 7 < 1344093359 542227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winxp image use 8.9 GB < 1344093364 249218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 64-bit one < 1344093369 91634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344093370 650728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.8 for the 32-bit one < 1344093371 928971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just assign 20 gigs < 1344093376 662565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dynamically-allocated anyway < 1344093377 984157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be fine yeah < 1344093382 695424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1344093392 390613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did that on IDE < 1344093398 17039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because windows xp fails at SATA < 1344093410 607610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't find 64-bit drivers that worked with XP < 1344093412 772155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it < 1344093413 335489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1344093416 459643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :during install at least < 1344093417 526858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't come by default? < 1344093428 683239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other virtualbox configuration i should know about? < 1344093430 267380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nope, on xp you had to put in a floppy or something with the SATA drivers < 1344093435 622986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even on real machines < 1344093452 906695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you might need to install ethernet drivers. They don't come with windows either usually :P < 1344093460 69208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: / < 1344093487 452629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apart from that, read through the help for the machine config in virtual box and make an informed decision on each one < 1344093489 511574 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1344093509 689910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like you want IO APIC on < 1344093516 140608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine clock in UTC off < 1344093528 344411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about absolute pointing device < 1344093537 906169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my xp install in virtualbox predates that option < 1344093564 672439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it says IO APIC will decrease performance : ( < 1344093564 856993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for 64-bit you need to activate VT-x (or the AMD equiv) < 1344093571 376678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh okay, does it? Hm < 1344093591 147548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure, but 64-bit might require it < 1344093593 686184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the manual < 1344093631 891611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which manual : ( < 1344093636 122201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, for 64-bit you need to activate VT-x (or the AMD equiv) < 1344093636 836577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1344093637 541046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1344093639 471324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot about this. < 1344093643 249367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not have hardware virtualisation < 1344093645 366438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is a help button in the config dialogue? < 1344093649 693754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gues i'll throw this torrent away < 1344093653 793395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it opens a manual for me? < 1344093654 989794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i meant virtualbox or windows manual < 1344093662 507066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox one < 1344093676 687685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are on an Atom or something? < 1344093678 654732 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1344093681 533213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how do you not have VT-x < 1344093690 587892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pentium" which is a rebranded core 2 duo ulv < 1344093700 235090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm on a core 2 duo and I have VT-x < 1344093702 261424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower-end core 2s don't have thingy < 1344093705 592654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualisation < 1344093706 473453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1344093719 371999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess 2.26 GHz isn't lower-end then? < 1344093725 943893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz < 1344093732 223731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 lahf_lm dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority < 1344093740 108535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.33 here < 1344093767 705229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you might try windows 95. Your system might just be able to handle that < 1344093799 242872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very funey < 1344093807 831076 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually probably not, I have problems emulating that under virtualbox on this machine < 1344093815 567000 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably driver issues mostly though < 1344093820 453289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've successfully emulated win 95 in virtualbox < 1344093825 334932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with full resolution graphics < 1344093836 215952 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it just didn't run very fast < 1344093839 110375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was strange < 1344093851 860293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it did something that was bad for VT-x, don't know < 1344093909 800562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some things to make it run fast < 1344093912 942642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingies < 1344093928 725541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1344093933 850037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as? < 1344093936 313742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1344093937 716434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd been so long < 1344093950 572496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't need it any more, I got planescape running under windows 7 64-bit < 1344093975 470390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't gotten very far though < 1344094016 592909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that those old games do where it voice acts like a couple of the lines but not most of them throws me off. < 1344094024 631947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in the planescape case, a couple of the words < 1344094116 627980 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more programming books should be like Why's Poignant Guide < 1344094136 994642 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYAH is very similar, maybe even a bit better (more to-the-point) < 1344094190 725383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I really don't like that style < 1344094192 449994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my main reason for liking Tcl more than a Lisp-family language is ecosystem worries < 1344094203 820323 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is become < 1344094207 696244 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/become/because/ < 1344094209 465037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuts up
< 1344094209 646042 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Vorpal < 1344094216 374422 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea. < 1344094236 282347 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, indeed, I prefer the technical documentation approach < 1344094251 192917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Sgeo < 1344094254 224524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo invented Metaplace sex. < 1344094261 737363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is metaplace? < 1344094265 892925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kallisti < 1344094269 912219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti is a former prophet swearing off his pastry deity < 1344094281 193574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a virtual isometric world < 1344094295 427553 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MUDs invented metaplace sex. < 1344094301 532284 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will let you ponder how this even makes sense. < 1344094328 653009 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344094395 770097 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1344094398 285920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. < 1344094404 911626 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1344094408 11961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�.�\z�/0.\��w��.�tJ/�K�k��V�(�.�Ǘ���6�.W�MS�k��..,��X��o�j���KkW���..�QR��1.kE���Į�3�=.V��p�.��@.ɛ�|*���H�߼gCy&�..�����j��Am�.�����N�|E.��s�m .FBqE�K..����d�j�KI|.) .�M�.~�vC?�L�'�.v�.d!��;�.ZT.�.�B�.�.֦lM��.�.�`�����q!䇽�5ڝ�Ր��N�r*.(��E..8⠤��.�5 < 1344094420 958173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION alarums
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ACTION alarums at his abuse of the word "alarum"
< 1344094441 918291 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1344094443 947177 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1344094454 160541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... or not? < 1344094454 509470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alarum < 1344094468 264867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realized it actually could be related to alarms. Thought it was just a stage thing < 1344094483 473099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that my use of "alarum" for "alarm" was therefore amusing. < 1344094490 156999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it,s storm. help < 1344094505 914301 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, get indoors < 1344094526 535278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im indors < 1344094526 925554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1344094537 869650 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a roof? < 1344094592 227546 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've been recently learning S-Lang < 1344094598 905830 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take that as a no < 1344094603 416876 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a roof, urgently < 1344094615 292137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i have a roof < 1344094615 634288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1344094622 163264 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close any open doors and windows < 1344094623 441238 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about walls? < 1344094628 361874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done and done < 1344094633 293443 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't close your IRC window! < 1344094656 919348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not < 1344094662 214241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, uh, this thing? http://www.s-lang.org/ < 1344094690 918495 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't panic! < 1344094751 87424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1344094767 142702 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some features are actually pretty neat < 1344094769 137949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look very Lisp-like < 1344094786 334189 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more C like < 1344094787 883525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't look that hard < 1344094794 175341 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just randomly saying stuff < 1344094798 670210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not suggesting it to you < 1344094805 890532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were a Lispy person < 1344094816 918986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate Lisp, I hate the ecosystem. < 1344094862 996915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually mostly write software in C < 1344094870 310367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But randomly do stuff in other languages < 1344094944 574229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also CL's lack of coroutines isn't nice < 1344094955 88858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-hacky coroutines < 1344094965 970746 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One cool thing about s-lang is that if you have an array x, and do x++, all members of x will be incremented by one < 1344094977 132908 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do that sort of stuff with more complicated expressions too < 1344094988 648396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly like Common Lisp myself < 1344095032 274803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest Racket or Clojure if you want a lisp < 1344095063 390802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket -- empty ecosystem, Clojure -- JVM compromises < 1344095102 219515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In s-lang, you can do something like variable x = sin([0:255]*PI/128.0); < 1344095109 495721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I think I was recently put off Racket by one measly bad experience when I couldn't find a sprintf-like that fit my needs built-in < 1344095116 438596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't bother looking for libraries :/ < 1344095121 684999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, just used Python < 1344095157 661120 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is equivalent of this in C: double x[256]; int i; for(i=0;i<256;i++) { x = sin(i*M_PI/128.0); } < 1344095217 509410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket is all about libraries and sublanguages < 1344095249 969897 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python does have good libraries < 1344095303 749384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = map (\i -> sin (i*pi/128)) [0..255] < 1344095309 503713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1344095326 320170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = map (sin . (*(pi/128))) [0..255] < 1344095330 376978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be able to drop some parens there actually! < 1344095427 403079 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is this python? < 1344095448 519698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, Haskell < 1344095486 877074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1344095494 80436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand Common Lisp doesn't even have range functionality built in < 1344095497 243230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = [sin (i*pi/128) | i <- [0..255]] < 1344095499 102880 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1344095504 833514 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ends up with way too many parens < 1344095508 268486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat-skinning ad infinitum < 1344095526 618098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't mind the parens, except for the resulting neccessity of using a good editor
< 1344095539 558443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an awful necessity < 1344095544 468868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hmm, I think Notepad++ is probably sufficient for that aspect < 1344095548 264983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does haskell have a repl? < 1344095562 358939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there are haskell implementations with repls, yes < 1344095562 539219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes, sort of, but until recently it wasn't really full < 1344095567 75707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most importantly GHC, the only one anyone uses < 1344095582 524924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's an inaccurate statement, really -- it is a property of implementations, not the language < 1344095606 603635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci has at least very well supported the kind of slime-style editor+repl hybrid style popular in lisp communities < 1344095607 665088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-lang doesn't really have much functional programming stuff < 1344095611 575281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for roughly ever < 1344095713 217028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about VT-x is that you can't really tell from the processor brand, since it's a market segmentation tool. < 1344095717 199128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Atoms do VT-x too. < 1344095806 509570 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking for vt-x is easy software-wise, but you can only do that once you have the hardware < 1344095849 949442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, checking it beforehand is "easy" since you can just look at http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology < 1344095855 771649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could look up the model number of the CPU too < 1344095860 706298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you order the CPU < 1344095868 219285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that you can't tell offhand, if you don't have that list memorized. < 1344095919 459573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about AMD, do they do both with and without their virtualisation technology? < 1344095941 704294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I don't know. Probably, though. < 1344096466 372056 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1344096635 816924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to destroy all single-dispatch OO systems
< 1344096647 465254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok, so maybe I'm not actually that hate-filled < 1344096656 246738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But multiple-dispatch makes more sense to me < 1344097166 193952 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344097328 39075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1344098197 221192 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you are sipping some delicious Tcl kool-aid aren't you? < 1344098218 937408 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344098275 626156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what preferring multiple-dispatch has to do with Tcl, especially since the various OO systems I've seen for Tcl including TclOO are single-dispatch, although I imagine Clojure-style multiple-dispatch is very easy to do in a hacky way < 1344098354 361132 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought tcloo was multi-dispatch < 1344098363 787445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Continuing on my party report series: "real wild" (i.e. anything that can display realtime graphics; YouScope was here, etc.) had 7 entries, of which 5 were just regular mobile things (iOS, Windows Phone, 3*Android), 1 was a WebGL/browser thing, and the final one was the only interesting one. (It was an otherwise unmodified Apple Lisa except with some custom hardware for sound and DVI ... < 1344098369 844790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... output, by some folks from http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/.) < 1344098411 122408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, youscope was from assembly? < 1344098411 897730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1344098416 326592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, I wish < 1344098422 63525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you at assembly right now? < 1344098434 569310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 2007. < 1344098436 97364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1344098474 194057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this whole weekend= < 1344098478 296173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1344098486 844439 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIUC, multiple dispatch is a lot like typeclasses. < 1344098489 321349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been sleeping at home like an old man. < 1344098496 388565 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically multi-parameter type classes < 1344098502 535436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably won't bother coming back on Sunday since nothing interesting is happening. < 1344098504 333293 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have a computer place? < 1344098510 740669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's Thu-Sun technically. < 1344098537 176083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: Yeah, O10/5 or something. < 1344098546 934038 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :O? < 1344098557 587624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the oldskool room thing thing. < 1344098563 145107 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1344098574 623291 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at B16/8 < 1344098796 770454 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you at assembly? < 1344098797 70122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hall is kind of much more Assemblyish than this place. For one thing, it's (for the most part) not dark here at all. < 1344098810 831911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they hold the ArtTech seminars right next, so I can just sit here and listen to them. < 1344098965 513660 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is oldskool room thing accesible by anyone? < 1344098982 176053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Side note: I considered multiple dispatch for TclOO, but instead went < 1344098982 362245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for [proc]-like 'args' support as being more Tcl-ish. Can't really have < 1344098982 542434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both at the same time without the whole complicated business of a type < 1344098982 542634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :system and� well� again, not Tcl-ish enough." < 1344099105 928702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: At least in practice it is. Probably in theory too. < 1344099123 260414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some earlier years there's been "vip tickets only" signs, but this year I haven't seen those. < 1344099134 903506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that the seminars are here, that probably wouldn't really work anyway. < 1344099158 532712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^, who are you? < 1344099160 311132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1344099171 808540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nortti < 1344099184 373814 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I be at assembly, isn't that a Finnish thing < 1344099194 687235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are quite a few visitors from abroad. < 1344099203 848680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1344099204 580889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had some Swedes right next to our places last year. < 1344099218 569815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would guesstimate at least 90% are Finns, still. < 1344099262 52494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a large percentage of not really demoscene people too; they have a gaming-specialized area, and gaming tournaments and so on, too. < 1344099272 65169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be more indignant but I'm currently installing that Death Rally game. < 1344099273 792132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344099289 394498 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just watched a video of it. Is that a coincidence? < 1344099292 371562 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been working on a hard sci-fi setting for tabletop games.
< 1344099296 565924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy said it had no sense of speed < 1344099300 318735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very short races < 1344099303 221244 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially depicting the early early days of human space colonization, within our own solar system < 1344099308 300637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this the original Death Rally? < 1344099316 505854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is the new one. < 1344099332 952016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Remedy people were giving out Steam codes for free. < 1344099337 543559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344099339 863607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember playing the original some, though. < 1344099353 4173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it doesn't seem very good < 1344099367 362202 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had very good luck with computers this year. I managed to render my computer unbootable in 2 hours and I got it working again today when I installed mintppc on my mac < 1344099409 442541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Haven't installed it yet. But that's very possible. (Was the video about the PC port? I gather they have mobile versions too.) < 1344099420 836942 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was without computer whole friday and most of thursday < 1344099433 660879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to unify my music library, every computer and/or device has a slightly different set of music currently, and none is a superset of all the other ones < 1344099440 590872 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: withdrawals? < 1344099450 304457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I believe some computers have the same stuff in flac that other ones have in ogg < 1344099453 995036 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what? < 1344099461 630678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: mooz had a completely broken system for pretty much the entire duration of... Assembly 1999 or so, I think. < 1344099464 93564 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344099479 186337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: He spent the whole weekend playing some DOS game from a floppy, if I recall correctly. < 1344099483 536134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paratroopers or something. < 1344099487 212518 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1344099494 466295 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: did you experience computer withdrawal? < 1344099503 1245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes the video was about the port < 1344099507 73975 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: no < 1344099515 512691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, totalbiscuit, if you know who that is < 1344099535 388547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I've heard the name and watched a thing once. < 1344099553 782613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've been watching ineiros play it for a few minutes now, and it doesn't really seem bad, just mediocre. < 1344099558 288520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who knows. < 1344099560 91796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, apparently it was a reasonable port (rebindable keys, resolution options) but it didn't look all that much better than the iOS version, and the gameplay was very much iOS-oriented < 1344099586 942986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(short laps, like slightly over 1 minute for a 3 lap race, and no sense of speed when driving) < 1344099604 172431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old one felt quite terribly fast at times. < 1344099610 314078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could try it out now, though. < 1344099614 631352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, why not < 1344099621 283954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, hi there! < 1344099629 353374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, say hi to him from me < 1344099646 15180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You got a "hi" back. < 1344099649 101719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1344099724 505221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the "recommended" bar on youtube have like 10 happy wheel videos... I don't even watch those. I watched like one ages ago and decided it was crap < 1344099739 556394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you refer to him as "that bc x vah guy"? < 1344099801 477205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey you got it wrong :P < 1344099805 908650 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was once sent link to my little pony video. youtube recommended me pony videos for 3 monts < 1344099814 948481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1344099827 586084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why that terrible nick? < 1344099851 993367 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be on the logs < 1344099941 203595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, too much work < 1344100078 709723 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:28 < nortti> I think that []{}\|-_ are legal but otherwise it must be alphanumeric < 1344100081 982469 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:29 -!- Taneb is now known as [-] < 1344100084 220863 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:29 -!- [-] is now known as Taneb < 1344100086 837186 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:29 < fizzie> nortti: ` and ^ too. < 1344100112 168601 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:30 -!- You're now known as []{}\|-_`^ < 1344100118 949783 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if I registered [-]. It may have already been done? < 1344100119 792718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344100125 469289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own _[] and []_ iirc < 1344100131 635183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember why < 1344100144 750555 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: 20:29 < Taneb> [-] is registered < 1344100149 357174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1344100152 715245 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that explains it < 1344100153 47587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't own that one < 1344100783 720080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: See you soon, hi! < 1344101466 68191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Pronunciätion” yes/no? < 1344101613 918608 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344101630 369103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]{}\|-_`^: Which side of the hall is B16? < 1344101653 236420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have accidentally landed near it to watch this short film thing. < 1344101712 91913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apparently I'm watching something else altogether, but still. < 1344101803 400125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, no, I think this is the opposite side. < 1344101856 703358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:37:24 [Freenode] -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on {-} (account sjansen): < 1344101871 294346 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that nickserv treats [-] and {-} as the same nick < 1344101911 727373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course < 1344101919 436467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it follows the old format < 1344101937 324107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not "of course", I've seen CASEMAPPING=ASCII around. < 1344101962 811465 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344101964 717296 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is implementing the Mouse programming language :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(programming_language)
< 1344101969 478852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even with freenode's previous ircd. < 1344101987 600111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes < 1344102013 971755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Rovio is really wasting my time here. < 1344102026 366619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? Angry Birds? < 1344102028 406116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1344102033 459579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some Angry Birds Space insta-tournament going on. < 1344102044 271054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angry Birds tournament? < 1344102044 841684 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Reminds me a bit of IBNIZ, but more useful for general use < 1344102047 12637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1344102049 299460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they throw Angry Birds candy from the stage. < 1344102049 813425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :high scores? < 1344102055 314810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scores, yes. < 1344102056 963811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :... seriously? < 1344102070 690182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They throw hundreds of bags of candy. < 1344102073 766142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is special candy? < 1344102074 847499 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up IBNIZ
< 1344102077 961681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1344102078 211289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1344102082 447057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it look like < 1344102085 141113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fazer makes it. < 1344102086 536522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it taste like < 1344102087 940273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1344102090 118105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like birds and pigs. < 1344102091 640482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not too terrible then? < 1344102094 89036 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use Joy? < 1344102112 229197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very sort of generic, but not bad. < 1344102117 700382 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344102138 72713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also melts if it's too warm. < 1344102144 20051 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There doesn't seem to be a channel for Joy here :-( < 1344102157 413493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no joy here. < 1344102159 527328 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Freenode. < 1344102181 514692 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, is that a language? < 1344102190 106730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, short film compo was supposed to start at 20:30 (it's 20:43 approx now) but... Rovio. < 1344102210 267357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a main sponsor, I guess they can do what they want. < 1344102214 166715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a Stargate franchise episode for me to watch < 1344102215 930464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1344102219 704865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so the thing is delayed? < 1344102237 115481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But that's very typical. < 1344102242 830722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1344102246 363459 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, looks Forthlike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_(programming_language) < 1344102256 625067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn url with parens < 1344102262 549024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't click them properly in this irc client < 1344102267 404460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :please url encode them < 1344102270 339681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh well) < 1344102293 588258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey firefox url encodes that when I copies it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_%28programming_language%29 < 1344102323 418740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, a purely functional, but stack based language? < 1344102327 49363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even work < 1344102350 712731 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1344102374 594156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I don't get how a stack based language can be pure < 1344102384 310710 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack operations look like a side effect to me < 1344102816 126844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once made up something in Haskell that the type indicate the stack and the stack operations can be in (->) category so it is pure; although you can also have them in (Kleisli IO) category too and so on < 1344102861 393419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes I think it is possible in the right way < 1344102874 538910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not specific to Haskell) < 1344102976 671395 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1344103452 412901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit: Right < 1344103727 568520 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1344105378 912999 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344105409 735142 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1344105630 109388 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344106640 236991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1344106797 672622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Underload is sort of an esoteric variant of Joy < 1344106844 560283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easy to think of it as pure algebra of programs instead of as acting imperatively on a stack < 1344106852 281199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm okay < 1344106872 817283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (x)(y)~ = (y)(x) < 1344106878 425085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but then that is just two ways of looking at the same program? < 1344106885 136778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1344106906 117663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the question is, which one is more accurate, if indeed one is < 1344106914 344234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i recall ais523 saying the first underload implementation was based on algebra, not stacks < 1344106932 400587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1344106966 554445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the question becomes if you can transform the program into a purely functional one I guess < 1344106980 79063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when you have a single global state (the stack), it is easy to just thread it through the program, like with haskell's State monad < 1344107022 34253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, as long as you don't do IO anything can be rewritten into a form which is pure < 1344107038 859180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or have global state < 1344107043 109083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should try to get into Perl < 1344107046 865825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1344107056 256264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can work around that < 1344107080 839961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. and even if you do IO you can treat the IO system as an algebra you are constructing terms in < 1344107090 722122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, by this logic, any C code that performs no IO is basically a transformation of a pure program < 1344107100 505960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that statement sounds somewhat insane < 1344107113 165582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN is tempting < 1344107134 678918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no need, there is CTAN for TeX? < 1344107142 277735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, not the same, but still) < 1344107246 654349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any formal semantics of a programming language is pure, being math. < 1344107434 239023 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1344107437 931348 :coppro!~scshunt@ascorbic-acid.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is self-modifying haskell code bad < 1344107516 246729 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is self-modifying haskell code possible? < 1344107561 626699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like the tensor category where: swap . (f *** g) = g *** f seem also similar to having a commutative applicative isn't it? And is that related to what you have written about above? (x)(y)~ = (y)(x) < 1344107581 283418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I wouldn't think so but maybe there is if someone know what is the way. < 1344107582 574672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume it is possible in theory using unsafeSomething, probably not easy though < 1344107700 117725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you get a pointer to the code and then unsafeCoerce it? Then given that the code isn't RO (can be arranged for with some linker options iirc, or if nothing else, a custom linker script), sure you could replace bits of machine code. < 1344107730 580359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know enough of the low level GHC internals to know if it is possible < 1344107743 805923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a loop that at the end loops by performing the code in some IORef < 1344107754 250230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modify the contents of the IORef and you've change the actively running code. < 1344107923 503277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps you can use that to make a self-modifying code in Haskell but it would be difficult to self-modify the Haskell codes in that way. Also, it would be specific to the computer if you did that. < 1344107924 373013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the problem with modifying anything not explicitly a reference type of some kind is that the haskell compiler has every right to assume it hasn't been modified, so you cannot assume the new version will be consistently perpetrated < 1344107928 379132 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in the GHC hidden modules? < 1344107940 416102 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Template Haskell < 1344108048 235135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, self modification is how laziness is implemented under the hood, in case someone didn't know that < 1344108072 267583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell is only for compile time, I do not think it can modify stuff at runtime < 1344108190 381832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the erlang method of just calling the new version tail recursively is much more sane in haskell too. < 1344108276 513297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that's for self-modifying threads. < 1344108464 875152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i suspect the problem with modifying anything not explicitly a reference type of some kind is that the haskell compiler has every right to assume it hasn't been modified, so you cannot assume the new version will be consistently perpetrated <-- of course < 1344108505 190951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, self modification is how laziness is implemented under the hood, in case someone didn't know that <-- I thought it used thunks? < 1344108515 965382 :calamari!~calamari@ip72-211-147-156.tc.ph.cox.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1344108521 122717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : also the erlang method of just calling the new version tail recursively is much more sane in haskell too. <-- well yes, but less fun < 1344108534 754858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the thunks are replaced with the final result afterwards < 1344108539 77011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with self modification in code I think of actually writing out new bytecode or machine code to the memory < 1344108547 213667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1344108656 614400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i think the haskell ffi does that kind of writing out in order to export haskell closures as C functions < 1344108677 692297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1344108694 791288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can't that sort of stuff be determined at compile time? < 1344108698 650637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C has no way of creating a new function pointer referring to dynamic data < 1344108719 106118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not if it's a runtime constructed closure... < 1344108742 73726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C you could make void* and cast to the other pointer but it won't necessarily work or do what is intended it depend on the computer you are implemented it on < 1344108744 282258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the haskell-platform is 422 MB according to aptitude < 1344108770 576163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least that is how much disk space I will end up using by the new stuff I need to install < 1344108795 934665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ghc stuff is like 95% of that < 1344108826 516350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically in C you'd usually implement a closure as something like a struct containing the closure data + a function pointer to a fixed function, but the haskell ffi specification says that an actual C function pointer must be constructed < 1344108850 979072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1344108851 778236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce :: Vector Word32 -> IO () < 1344108906 528881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no I would use pikhq's crazy gcc specific thing :P < 1344108917 668269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is awesome btw < 1344108936 67699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I only want continuations in C < 1344108940 260178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ghc is moving away from gcc to llvm anyway < 1344108944 579046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't just setjmp/longjmp < 1344108950 151812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are so restricted < 1344108964 319934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I thought it was moving away from it's own native generator to llvm rather? < 1344108969 947061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had already dropped gcc < 1344109002 305587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a post yesterday in reddit that the new ghc code generator is almost ready to be switched in, although that's for an earlier stage of the pipeline than the llvm/gcc/native decision < 1344109069 181629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well yeah, although gcc is still available for temporary porting. also i vaguely think the ghc runtime is still ghc? < 1344109072 359731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1344109075 579801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is still gcc? < 1344109083 182716 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132287.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344109100 253054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the unregistered one iirc? < 1344109103 131863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344109110 332800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pure C even? < 1344109112 58630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1344109117 998710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1344109123 201903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1344109129 418928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night < 1344109156 690207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1344109273 716803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1344109286 894562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAFECode makes me less.... angry at C and C++ < 1344109295 49167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds unsafe < 1344109712 471942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sure you can do that but how are you going to know what it is going to do? It might crash. < 1344109725 751853 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just throwing ideas about < 1344109754 460093 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how Haskell works in the deep, and deepseq the vector, it might be doable < 1344109890 235138 :prx!~prx@pD951B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344109894 230838 :prx!~prx@pD951B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1344109903 488693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome prx < 1344109906 964073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :prx: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1344109941 831645 :prx!~prx@pD951B9B7.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1344110196 990770 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a short visit < 1344110220 855360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall assume he's continuing his quest at dal.net < 1344110350 716384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :People argue about why scorpions are good? Someone write a report about why scorpions are good and then some people argue about it. Including such things as music, statistics, meaning of words "pet" (both the noun and verb), and astrological signs. < 1344110407 576933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stinging report, no doubt < 1344110443 26106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My conclusion is that one of the meanings doesn't count becuase it is intransitive.) < 1344110501 187481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never do a tango with a scorpion < 1344110522 420421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is (my messages are labeled "Not a pipe", which is short for "The Free Land of Not a pipe"): http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=193916 < 1344110529 722727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You are probably correct. < 1344110556 446250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even argue about pictures < 1344110638 109960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1344111374 503552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What do you think about IBNIZ? < 1344111412 644177 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1344111451 152845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1344111677 72989 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344111722 142833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the switch of "magic" and "more magic" that has only one wire but still causes the computer to crash if the switch is moved? < 1344111877 816908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read this ancient lore, yes < 1344111895 25422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how the switch works? < 1344111975 36496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i think there have been suggestions, though. < 1344112010 797925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bothers me that so many Tcl extensions are in C < 1344112015 328386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish they were in Tcl. < 1344112037 474217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the tellings I've seen have used the explanation that the computer's ground and its case had a potential difference large enough to restart it when connected. < 1344112040 398060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C makes it seem so... impure, like the language itself doesn't quite have the facilies to extend it within itself. < 1344112062 206118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just an efficiency thing? < 1344112662 461427 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It has only one wire but the other terminal is connected to a grounded metal rail < 1344112719 628183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone seen ski? < 1344112925 423365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I think you are correct. < 1344113116 530821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I want to do such things as self-modifying codes and and so on but is difficult because I also want to be portable < 1344113151 967355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have a VM < 1344113230 442714 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-113-189.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344113586 61088 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just playing with this. http://ibniz.asiekierka.pl/ibniz.html :-) < 1344113757 751294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was making weird sounds even with the audio checkbox disbaled < 1344113762 269147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabed < 1344113764 157013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disabled < 1344113838 748274 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$G 1% N: 2 F: ( N. F. \ 0 > ^ F. 1 + F: ) F. N. < [ F. ! "" #G, N. F. /;] @ ~ Prime Factors in Mouse... < 1344113955 425884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asiekierka is a pretty cool guy < 1344113971 281088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He comes around here < 1344113988 662721 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: How fast is it? < 1344114105 843434 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.139.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I haven't implemented an interpreter yet. There are a online in Pascal, C and Z80 asm. < 1344114521 84058 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1344114958 64803 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132287.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347] < 1344115397 641494 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344116713 207460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a .NSF playing library, I would suggest to implement the functions: play(byte accumulator) and poke(int address, byte value) < 1344117786 680572 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344117872 990649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1344117892 952641 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344117943 223255 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1344117952 343171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1344118462 880654 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344118866 247903 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1344119187 838598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iffs < 1344119265 145355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else < 1344119656 168743 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap beer in 2L plastic bottles < 1344119658 325873 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country < 1344119781 582316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Looks like the next Stripe CTF thing might be on Aug 22. < 1344119799 267914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told an anecdote about being in Germany, asking for a "big beer" expecting 0.5l (the standard "big" in Finland) but getting a full litre. < 1344119812 253928 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool < 1344119815 237523 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolchaf < 1344119850 522259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :koolgan mcoollister < 1344120472 429957 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1344120834 468865 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be back in the USSA at that time < 1344120836 714774 :kmc!~keegan@c-65-96-1-204.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely < 1344120849 117662 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :United Soviet Socialist America? < 1344120859 564105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :СССА < 1344120961 892413 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1344120987 221524 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-143.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1344121330 128347 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344122957 138054 :Elive_user62_en!~Elive_use@186.133.160.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1344123162 864551 :Elive_user62_en!~Elive_use@186.133.160.64 PART #esoteric :"I ♥ Elive" < 1344123741 120052 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1344124010 247184 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344124650 394878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "cookness-diamond.volia.net"? I remember they connected to my computer once before, and I don't know what it is. < 1344124676 70042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only thing I could find was an FTP service which did not allow anonymous login.) < 1344124772 367797 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did someone finish clop?