00:00:45 <olsner> I suspect there was originally a much bigger list where they assigned a code page for every language/country in the world, seconds before a sane person stepped in and realized that most of them could share code pages
00:00:55 <quintopia> bettah czech yoself befo ya wreck yo self
00:02:38 <fizzie> olsner: That's the GCSGID list: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/cs/cs_gcsgid.html
00:04:16 <fizzie> olsner: Note also the list of CCSID numbers, which identify both a character set and the encoding, an even longer list: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/ccsid/ccsid_registered.html
00:09:25 <olsner> hah! ascii didn't get a character set until 1994
00:10:19 <olsner> well, it might have just had a different one than the one it has now
00:39:11 <olsner> yes, it has CPGID 367 registered in -78 but its GCSGID 103 was only registered in -94
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02:32:25 <Sgeo> WHY IS XPCE SO UGL
02:34:24 <Jafet> WORDS CAN'T BRING ME DOWN
02:39:31 <elliott> ais523: it's time to ban everybody again.
02:55:05 <elliott> actually I'll just self-ban myself again since the channel hasn't really gotten any more worthwhile than the last time I gave up on it
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02:57:04 <oerjan> there he goes again, seeking for the mythical interesting place
03:19:16 <zzo38> O, you are going to just find "nothing" in general, I suppose
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03:33:01 <pikhq_> https://github.com/pikhq/cmako/blob/master/src/mako-vm.c Threaded code in C is so awful.
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04:48:26 <Sgeo> There's a "pure I/O" library in SWI-Prolog that reminds me of lazy I/O
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06:55:48 <augur> guys what happened to ski
06:55:52 <augur> he hasnt been online in 10 days
06:56:42 <augur> thats forever in internet time!
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10:11:14 <fizzie> It's a very modern train, it has free wifi.
10:11:29 <fizzie> It's like a third millennium here.
10:13:36 <fizzie> Failed completely to notice.
10:23:34 <fizzie> (I used to be called "Fizzle" quite a while ago.)
10:25:08 <nortti> why you used to be called fizzle?
10:25:18 <fizzie> I don't know. Why am I called "fizzie" now?
10:25:37 <fizzie> Man, there's even a service that shows the train's current GPS'd position and speed on a map.
10:25:44 <olsner> fizzle was just a stepping stone to complete the transformation into fizzie
10:25:57 <fizzie> I went from Fizzle to Fizzie to fizzie, IIRC.
10:26:36 <nortti> what are those chars? fbcon shows those as blocks
10:26:58 <shachaf> U+2F40E LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FIZZIE []
10:27:24 <fizzie> I'll try to loby for that in Unicode 13.
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12:21:28 <fizzie> Ooh, another Mentifex-posted transcript of a conversation with the MindForth Singularity AI: http://sprunge.us/HUPG
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12:26:17 <ion> http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/04/20/new-age-terrorists-develop-homeopathic-bomb/
12:27:32 <fizzie> Hay, this train-Internet uses Privoxy.
12:27:46 <fizzie> (I just got a Privoxy "name can not be resolved" temporary-error page.)
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12:58:05 <Gregor> OK, I officially love these pants.
12:59:47 <olsner> Gregor: I think you made that official yesterday already
13:00:08 <Gregor> But now I'm WEARING THEM.
13:00:28 <Taneb> Are they comfortable?
13:00:48 <Taneb> Do they help attract members of the opposite gender of your species?
13:01:07 <Gregor> They seem to! Also same gender! AND OTHER SPECIES!
13:01:16 <Taneb> THEN THEY ARE PERFECT
13:01:26 <Taneb> Unless they prevent you from eating or something
13:02:24 <olsner> there seems to be a risk that Gregor will be too mesmerized by his own pants to remember to breathe and/or eat
13:02:44 <Taneb> Is it significant?
13:02:44 <olsner> one of the many dangers with perfect pants
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13:24:10 <Phantom_Hoover> I'm seeing Gregor walking down the street with a massive crowd following him and his trousers.
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13:26:13 <Taneb> When I walk down the street, this is what I see
13:26:19 <Taneb> Everyone stops and following me
13:26:32 <Taneb> 'Cos I got crazy yellow pants and I'm not afraid to show it
13:26:38 <Taneb> ...I'm Gregor and I know it
13:32:12 <olsner> Taneb: are you really Gregor?
13:32:48 <Taneb> I'm the illegitimate child of Phantom_Hoover and elliott sent back in time to write songs for Gregor
13:33:11 <Gregor> Taneb brings a whole new level to “illegitimate”
13:33:15 <olsner> ah, someone has to do that too
13:33:55 <Taneb> fungot was somewhere in that mix, too
13:33:56 <fungot> Taneb: action: this routine can be used ( refer to devices on the top of memory by the
13:36:13 <olsner> hmm, I wonder if fungot shouldn't have a style based on the x86 software developer's manual
13:36:14 <fungot> olsner: varying the frequency range of 0, changing the vectors, but the cursor up char- acter set from basic) restor, and
13:36:26 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
13:37:12 <fungot> Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
13:37:21 <olsner> something something fungot
13:37:22 <fungot> olsner: i love this song is epic
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13:45:07 <fizzie> That was very youtube.
13:45:14 <fizzie> fungot: Are you an epic bot?
13:45:15 <fungot> fizzie: obama 2008!! their facial expressions are the waste of a survivor of this. i mean look at " gallerie de photo le crash", " when it's done status". numbers is for passengers onboard
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13:54:50 <Phantom_Hoover> fizzie, did you take the sample whilst the "n people disliked this video" thing was a craze?
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13:56:54 <fizzie> I didn't take the sample at all.
13:57:14 <fizzie> And it's based on comments from like N = 3 videos or so.
13:57:33 <fizzie> Collected in some somewhat manual way, I believe.
14:05:49 <fizzie> Feel free to write/get a crawler and contribute a larger sample. I "was gonna", but...
14:06:05 <olsner> how do you add styles to fungot?
14:06:06 <fungot> olsner: we can both see how the light effects and the a380 this video. here is air france flight 296 and it made your 1
14:06:36 <fizzie> olsner: Is that the passive "you"? In that case, by talking to me, unless it's your own fungot instance.
14:06:36 <fungot> fizzie: yes mascara..and makeup and..those gestures..like girlye hand twisting.... comment peut on etre si fnant et si ttu a la fois? meme pas foutu de faire un simple copier coller... ca me saoule des blaireaux comme ca!!
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14:07:42 <ion> Feist + Mastodon https://www.listentofeist.com/feistodon/
14:09:06 <fizzie> If it means the process, it's also not completely automatized. But generally I do some preprocessing steps, run one script to go from text to tokens (converts punctuation to "PFOO"-style things), then run the VariKN tools to get an .arpa n-gram model file, and finally another script to convert from .arpa to the model.bin + tokens.bin that fungot understands.
14:09:07 <fungot> fizzie: i said. you idiot!!! how much do you explain your sources.
14:09:38 <olsner> oh, sounds complicated
14:10:01 <fizzie> I had a C++ program (of all things) to read tokens and write model.bin + tokens.bin directly.
14:10:18 <fizzie> But then I wanted to use that VariKN thing for something useful for once.
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14:18:46 <fizzie> (The .arpa format is a standard one, used e.g. by the SRILM tools, and supported by many others.)
14:19:14 <olsner> I wonder if the result will be very good based on just pdftotexting these manuals, they have a lot of headlines and tables and stuff
14:20:15 <fizzie> You can try to add some ad-hoc filtering for "phrase-like" things.
14:20:53 <fizzie> Like a reasonable number of words, or whatnot.
14:21:00 <fungot> Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material)
14:21:12 <fizzie> fungot: This style is also with *lots* of tables and stuff.
14:21:13 <fungot> fizzie: as this is line 10: read a(x):next in
14:21:35 <fizzie> Ooh, that's perhaps line 10 of fungot's secret internal source code maybe?!
14:21:36 <fungot> fizzie: stack requirements: 2 2 zero page address is the delete and insert or delete spaces. an adaptation of that, ranging from a tape just past the end of your dot is stored at location 56320 ( dc00) and
14:29:17 <boily> fungot's source is secret? and there I was going to blantantly rip off its functionality for our own company's IRC channel...
14:29:17 <fungot> boily: when evaluating a comparison of two mobs are coincident. coincidence of only transparent ( phase 1 time; specifically, the value placed here.
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14:49:07 <fizzie> boily: There's a public code I run, but I'm pretty sure there's also a hidden AI core somewhere plotting for world domination.
14:49:16 <fungot> http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
14:49:29 <fizzie> (That link might still be broken.)
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15:20:41 <olsner> came up with https://gist.github.com/3305066 .. not perfect, but removes headers/footers and a few simple annoyances
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15:57:14 <olsner> fizzie: so, can I send you the textfile I extracted so you can make a fungot style of it?
15:57:15 <fungot> olsner: 40 print t(t),"score in quarter" q 17 45 i 73 r r 18. 46 j 74 s s 19 47 k 75 t t 20 0 48 l 76 u u 21 1 49 m 77 v v 22 2 50 n 78 w w 23 3 51 o 79 x x flg sp alrm tb ta
15:57:28 <olsner> oh my, that was a nice one
15:58:56 <olsner> hmm, arguably, it will turn fungot into a derivative work though
15:58:56 <fungot> olsner: current filename address 187 will be an input channel or an irq interrupt to occur while you write to the character. also different is the possible inconvenience this might cause.
16:03:19 <boily> fizzie: uuuh... fungot's source is in befunge? AAAAAAARGH!
16:03:19 <fungot> boily: oscillator 3 to be printed for special ef- fects. in fact, only the first
16:06:23 <Taneb> boily, yeah, fungot is the best esoteric bot ever
16:06:24 <fungot> Taneb: in addition, there is no longer valid, which are now standard on most home computers. the fire buttons, you will not be able to load the x register 00
16:06:34 <Taneb> I don't like this style
16:06:40 <fungot> Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts)
16:07:53 <Gregor> olsner: I remembered to eat lunch.
16:08:21 <olsner> Gregor: getting tired of the new pants already?
16:08:52 <Gregor> olsner: Just informing you that I have somehow managed to have enough concentration left even with infatuation that I can still do other things.
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16:10:33 <olsner> in other words, you're not really all that infatuated after all?
16:11:09 <Gregor> I'm just good at multitasking.
16:11:15 <Gregor> Only 35% of my conscious thought is on my pants.
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16:28:56 <Taneb> > sqrt$[1/x|x<-map(^2)[1..2^20]]*6
16:28:58 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Float.Floating [a])
16:28:58 <lambdabot> arising from a use of `e_112122...
16:29:09 <Taneb> > sqrt$sum[1/x|x<-map(^2)[1..2^20]]*6
16:29:16 <Taneb> > sqrt$sum[1/x|x<-map(^2)[1..2^10]]*6
16:29:20 <Taneb> > sqrt$sum[1/x|x<-map(^2)[1..2^15]]*6
16:29:40 <Taneb> That's simple but inefficient
16:29:59 <lambdabot> [show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
16:30:06 <Taneb> > [show(sum[(8-i.&.3*4)*div(10^2^n)(a^i*i)|i<-[1,3..3^n],a<-[2,3]])!!n|n<-[0..]]
16:30:15 <lambdabot> (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
16:30:22 <Taneb> > (!!1)<$>transpose[show$sum[100^2^n`div`(a^i*i)*(8-i.&.3*4)|i<-[1,3..9*2^n],a<-[2,3]]|n<-[0..]]
16:30:24 <lambdabot> "31415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062...
16:30:30 <Taneb> Complicated but efficient
16:30:48 <Taneb> 355/113 is annoyingly much better than mine...
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17:35:54 <Sgeo> The SWI-Prolog website is a very good reason to be wary of SWI-Prolog
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18:14:46 <fizzie> boily: That's why it's called fungot.
18:15:19 <fizzie> olsner: Sure, though it might take a while for the style-making, I'm kind of elsewhere.
18:16:17 <FreeFull> boily: Better than it being in unefunge
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18:20:02 <fizzie> You could say it's in trefunge it's just all in one plane.
18:22:13 <nortti> what would 1000 dimensionall funge ve called
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18:25:28 <nortti> what about 999 dimensional funge?
18:25:47 <olsner> I think you want an infinite-dimensional funge
18:26:04 <olsner> or perhaps just arbitrarily-dimensional
18:27:15 <FreeFull> It would move in the direction specified by top of the stack
18:28:41 <fizzie> Things like 'x' that pop off K elements, where K is the dimensionality, might need some reworking for the infinite-dimensional case.
18:29:56 <fizzie> I would be surprised if some of the more HLLy interpreters didn't do arbitrary (fixed) dimensionality already.
18:30:10 <fizzie> You can use 'x' to change direction.
18:31:30 <fizzie> Something like 000001000 to go the direction of the positive sixth axis in a 9-funge.
18:32:57 <nortti> fizzie: does funge support negatibe numbers? what about bigint?
18:33:14 <FreeFull> How about befunge, but with not just orthogonal but also knight movement
18:33:41 <fizzie> FreeFull: You can already do that in funge-98.
18:33:47 <fizzie> 12x will start to move knightly.
18:34:29 <fizzie> nortti: Sure for negative numbers, but there's no one-character instruction to push one. Things like 04- work for pushing -4, though.
18:34:45 <fizzie> I believe there are bignum-celled funges too.
18:35:20 <fizzie> Don't know what they return as the cell size for 'y'.
18:37:44 <fizzie> That sort of overlaps with an 8-bit funge.
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18:48:04 <oerjan> <olsner> there seems to be a risk that Gregor will be too mesmerized by his own pants to remember to breathe and/or eat <-- THE PANTS OF NARCISSUS
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18:50:59 <olsner> oerjan: but apparently the pantgazing takes only 35% of his cognitive capacity, or so he claims
18:52:10 <oerjan> so it will only become a problem once he is 66% senile.
18:53:06 <olsner> otoh, at 15% senile he will already be down to 50% of normal capacity
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18:55:22 <HackEgo> Eladith: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
18:56:15 <fizzie> Deewiant: The spec just says "-- cell size. Typically 4, could also be 2, 8, really really large, infinity, etc."
18:56:54 <olsner> could it really be "infinity"?
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18:57:40 <olsner> I guess it could be in floatfunge though
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18:57:50 <fizzie> I suppose a bignum funge could also extend the integers with (possibly a positive and negative) infinity values too.
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18:58:30 <fizzie> It does say elsewhere that cells are integers, though.
19:00:46 <Deewiant> fizzie: Yes, the spec is nonsense on that, but IIRC efunge is the only proper bignum implementation and IIRC it pushes -1.
19:02:00 <quintopia> pantgaze is my favorite style of music
19:02:05 <fizzie> It could also push some very large number if the "bignums" are not actual bignums; IIRC at least gmp integers have a theoretical limit.
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19:03:01 <Eladith> oerjan: Thank you and greetings! nortti back at Assembly advised that this channel might be fun to follow
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19:04:10 <fizzie> nortti: Are you trying to make Finland beat Hexham's esodensity?
19:06:00 <oerjan> that _and_ confusing our tab completions.
19:06:13 <fizzie> We'll need, what, 946 Finnish people here?
19:06:23 <fizzie> (Going by Wikipedia's population numbers.)
19:06:27 <fizzie> A bit of a lofty goal, that.
19:07:27 <oerjan> we just have to beat #haskell and then some, with only finns. how hard can it be?
19:08:17 <oerjan> hm is it the largest freenode channel yet?
19:09:35 <fizzie> Ubuntu is current winner.
19:09:47 <fizzie> 1701 people at the moment when I /list >1000'd.
19:12:46 <fizzie> "/quote help list" for details; it can also list created less than/more than X minutes ago, or topic changed less than/more than X minutes ago.
19:13:34 -!- oerjan has set topic: We are running out of topics! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:20:08 -!- Taneb has set topic: Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:22:12 <fizzie> Maybe there's a topic hiding under the seat cushions.
19:22:58 <oerjan> nope, just a remote control and some old gum.
19:23:38 <oerjan> (the remote control is from the '80s)
19:23:46 -!- fizzie has set topic: Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Just a remote control and some old gum | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:23:54 <fizzie> With creativity, anything can be a topic.
19:24:08 <Taneb> fungot, give us a topic!
19:24:09 <fungot> Taneb: but, but... that's not a fish. it's a lump of rock! we didn't give any thought the guys at nasa has fast-tracked a prototype deep has held out well the food, and money training the stormtroopers are so stereotyped parody of another very special date. please, put the black! now, where's the fun! i wanted another go on, prove my family, paris. we can vent the lot of them right, the village, you spend the night, but this is
19:24:17 -!- oerjan has set topic: Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Just a remote control and some old gum | With creativity, anything can be a topic | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
19:24:39 <oerjan> we need to keep it below the elliott reset limit
19:27:49 -!- Gregor has set topic: Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Just a remote control and some old gum | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
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19:29:24 <olsner> the enchanting pants of narcissus sounds like an oglaf comic
19:30:36 -!- Taneb has set topic: Behold! The enchanting pants of Narcissus! | Just a remote control and some old gum | With creativity, anything can be a topic | Help Taneb give up saying "Hello" | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/.
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19:31:11 <nortti> huh. someone has visited #esoteric-en
19:32:52 <oerjan> it's like here, except in understandable english
19:32:58 <nortti> last conversation there:
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19:33:10 <nortti> 00:50 < knott_rays_> hi
19:33:10 <nortti> 00:50 < knott_rays> hi
19:33:10 <nortti> 00:50 < knott_rays_> hi
19:33:10 <nortti> 00:51 < knott_rays> hgi
19:33:10 <nortti> 00:51 < knott_rays_> trolo
19:33:22 <pikhq> Gregor: Your fashion sense astounds.
19:33:44 <Gregor> pikhq: It also burns retinas.
19:33:52 <Gregor> One of my coworkers is VEHEMENTLY against these pants.
19:34:09 <oerjan> "the pants that got Gregor fired"
19:34:22 <pikhq> If only there were a pony tie to go with the ensemble.
19:34:25 <oerjan> "and then rich from the following settlement"
19:34:33 <pikhq> Though that might be too tasteful.
19:34:47 <oerjan> all you need is to find a color-blind judge
19:34:52 <olsner> Gregor: fake an email from HR announcing a yellow pants friday
19:35:21 <Gregor> pikhq: http://mylittleties.com/
19:35:48 <Gregor> No, they're not *sigh*
19:35:57 <Sgeo> Just because the only Prolog-based website that I know of is horrifically disgusing in implementation doesn't mean I can't use it to make a website if I'm careful, right?
19:36:06 <Gregor> I have solid-color ties that aren't as subtle as those.
19:36:08 <pikhq> Gregor: I replied too early.
19:36:18 <pikhq> For some people, that'd be perfect.
19:36:31 <pikhq> For you, it needs to be much flashier.
19:36:42 <oerjan> olsner: i suspect Gregor doesn't work in a professional attire environment
19:36:44 <pikhq> Something Pinky Pie would wear.
19:37:14 <Gregor> pikhq: http://www.welovefine.com/3012-cotton-candy.html <-- I want this on a tie.
19:37:19 <olsner> oerjan: I sure hope not ... how could anyone work in professional attire?
19:37:37 <pikhq> Gregor: That'd work.
19:37:59 <oerjan> olsner: i hear it's quite common?
19:38:20 <oerjan> or maybe that's why the financial crisis happened.
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19:39:16 <pikhq> olsner: I hear you don't *work* in professional attire, but it still has high value.
19:39:24 <pikhq> Namely, professional attire serves as money bait.
19:40:29 <Gregor> I am wearing fully professional attire.
19:40:36 <Gregor> Or it would be, if it was entirely different colors
19:40:46 <Gregor> My pants may be bright yellow, but they're /slacks/.
19:40:53 <olsner> pikhq: yeah, so I guess it makes sense if you're in the money baiting business
19:40:55 <Gregor> My shirt may be bright red, but it's button-up.
19:41:03 <Gregor> My tie may be bright green, but it's a necktie.
19:42:32 <Gregor> Well, hats aren't really a part of modern professional attire X-D
19:42:48 <pikhq> Gregor: That's why I was asking. Did you break that bit? :)
19:42:57 <Gregor> OK, so I'm wearing a bowler.
19:43:02 <pikhq> Also, even in the times when you would wear one, you wouldn't wear one inside...
19:43:03 <Gregor> But that's KINDA professionalish.
19:43:12 <pikhq> Not that I think you are concerned about that. :)
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21:06:17 <nortti> how do I replace all occurences of / with \/ using sed?
21:06:47 <nortti> I tried s/\//\\\//g but sed says it is missing a /
21:07:45 <nortti> erm. sed: bad option in substitution expression
21:07:46 <olsner> actually, you're missing a \
21:08:30 <olsner> here's a working substitution for slashes and some other things: s/\([.*+(){}^$<>[\\ |]\|\]\)/\\\1/g
21:08:31 <nortti> is there any way to make sed use some other char as s command delimiter?
21:09:17 <oerjan> nortti: maybe you are getting shell escapes interfering?
21:09:19 <olsner> I think so, but I don't remember what it is... could be s\, or something like that
21:09:39 <nortti> oerjan: I'm using quotes
21:09:49 <olsner> if s,,,g doesn't even just work as-is
21:10:18 <nortti> oerjan: oh. it still results in those problems
21:10:45 <nortti> "s/\//\\\\\\//g" works
21:11:15 <oerjan> nortti: double quotes do escaping inside, single quotes may not (i never remember all the details)
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21:12:25 <oerjan> not "s/\\//\\\\\\//g" ?
21:12:33 <Gregor> Oh god leaning toothpick syndrome.
21:12:56 <olsner> oh, "s/\//\\\\\\//g" is a nice one, but do look up the difference between single and double quotes
21:13:06 <olsner> it will roughly half the number of backslashes you need
21:14:12 <coppro> not to mention using different delimeters
21:15:07 <olsner> this works: echo foo | sed 's,foo,bar,g'
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21:23:53 <olsner> the -e is implicit, but I have no idea if that's in POSIX or a GNU extension
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21:25:29 <nortti> well busybox also supports that
21:26:57 <FreeFull> Weird, I had omitting -e cause sed not to work before
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21:28:28 <coppro> -e is required if you have more than one expression
21:28:35 <coppro> it's implicit if you only have one
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21:30:30 <nortti> Gregor: is it intended that c2bf produces code that puts data in cells left from start of head?
21:31:32 <Taneb> Mission impossible is funnily 90's
21:33:08 <olsner> which MI? the one with leonard nimoy or the other one?
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21:33:44 <Taneb> The one from the 90's?
21:35:09 <olsner> but tom cruise is only in the movies?
21:35:54 <Taneb> But I'm referring to the film Mission: Impossible, starring Tom Cruise
21:36:10 <olsner> the first movie is from 1996, so that'd be 90s
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21:38:12 <itidus21> as i get older i'm learning that people look largely the same from decade to decade, except on tv
21:40:25 <nortti> Gregor: oh. it seems it is not putting data there, just being there
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21:44:32 <oerjan> leonard nimoy did something other than star trek? i find that illogical.
21:44:43 <nortti> Gregor: those instructions are run after main returs
21:46:00 <Sgeo> Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo! Baggins! Greatest little hobbit of them all!
21:46:24 <oerjan> Sgeo: that has a certain ring to it.
21:46:46 <olsner> oerjan: you have seen the video, I hope
21:48:55 <oerjan> ok glad that's over with.
21:49:09 <olsner> what? you don't think it's awesome?
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21:49:26 <oerjan> awe something, certainly
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21:50:11 <Sgeo> `welcome Dovregubben
21:50:16 <HackEgo> Dovregubben: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
21:50:21 <oerjan> i think he's been here before
21:50:23 <olsner> oerjan: perhaps awe in the "fear or dread." sense?
21:50:50 <olsner> but I do think it's awesome in the good way
21:50:57 <oerjan> olsner: whatever kind, certainly full of it
21:55:49 <nortti> Gregor: is ld/__start.o written in c or by hand in bf?
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22:05:59 <segorev> how in php gd create png with dpi 300 ?
22:07:23 <segorev> i try create png with dpi 300 and opened in php gd, then i save this png but this image became witch 72 dpi
22:07:52 <segorev> i understand that gd give dpi value from system
22:08:07 <segorev> but how change this value for local script ?
22:08:12 <Sgeo> You might want to ask in #php
22:08:54 <Sgeo> #php should redirect to ##php but there's a user flag that stops the redirection
22:09:58 <Sgeo> nortti, not sure
22:10:02 <Sgeo> lemme find the docs
22:10:37 <Sgeo> "This user mode prevents you from being forwarded to another channel because of channel mode +f (see below) or by a ban (see +b below). Instead of being forwarded to another channel, you'll be given a message as to why you could not join."
22:10:42 <Sgeo> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
22:11:31 <Sgeo> segorev, try joining ##php
22:12:05 <segorev> * ##php :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
22:13:14 <segorev> hmm, i registered but i can't join to ##php
22:14:11 <Sgeo> Maybe you now need to identify?
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22:19:49 <ion> Let me guess: you’re Russian))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
22:21:40 * oerjan wonders what that's about)))
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22:22:04 <ion> oerjan: I don’t know, but it seems to be very popular in Russia)))))))))))))
22:22:13 <ion> Perhaps it’s related to Lisp.
22:29:44 <oerjan> some ancient taboo against leaving open parentheses
22:32:13 <Sgeo> #'mapc is probably a function
22:42:09 <FreeFull> mapc is some common lisp function
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22:56:17 <Sgeo> Currently in ##php : Someone tries to understand "division".
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23:16:05 <ion> If you have ten horrible programmers and divide them to two projects that are going fail badly, how many programmers do you have per project?
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23:16:45 <oerjan> four in one and seven in the other
23:16:55 <oerjan> (two of them bred in the meantime)
23:17:37 <ion> It’s always good if you can involve unplanned pregnancies and child labor in a project.
23:18:54 <oerjan> well it _could_ just be heavily delayed
23:20:39 <Sgeo> The story of Duke Nukem Forever.
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23:35:31 <FreeFull> 1 to create struggle to work with all the code
23:35:41 <FreeFull> 9 to create miscommunication and chaos
23:37:00 <nortti_> so everyone has to do both projects
23:37:14 <FreeFull> Put one on both and then have the other 9 do nothing
23:37:19 <oerjan> and that way they won't have time to cause any other damage elsewhere!
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23:42:00 <olsner> are we tring to increase or decrease the chance of failure here?
23:42:42 <oerjan> i thought we were just trying to decrease the danger to humanity
23:43:03 <olsner> anyway, instead of everyone working 50/50 on both projects, have everyone work on the one that is the most behind, and also require them to work 100% overtime because they're behind
23:43:47 <olsner> that way you can work them to death *and* cause maximum discomfort as everyone gets pulled from the thing they almost got somewhere with, and is forced to work overtime on something completely different and at least as broken
23:44:21 <olsner> I wonder if a panic switch once a week is often enough though
23:45:24 <olsner> you can also experiment with turning a couple of the programmers into managers and blaming them for the failure
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23:46:29 <ion> Always tell at least two people to do the same thing and promise them that the one to finish the fastest is the least likely to get fired next.
23:46:52 <olsner> ooh! the threat of unemployment is indeed a great motivator
23:47:28 <olsner> luckily, we're dealing with horrible programmers here, so they won't simply leave if you mistreat them
23:48:25 <olsner> the downside is if you end up having to actually fire someone, you get more efficient communication between the remaining ones
23:48:52 <olsner> (is it possible to hire some horrible consultants to help out with the miscommunication?)
23:49:13 <oerjan> you cannot fire them, they might get somewhere they can do actual damage
23:52:08 <FreeFull> How about you change the specification every day
23:52:51 <olsner> well, that'll happen anyway
23:53:38 <olsner> so maybe it'll be better to let them code towards an old specification for a bit longer
23:53:57 <olsner> maybe you'd do the swapping between projects for each new rewrite of the spec, with a biweekly release schedule for spec changes
23:55:54 <olsner> if you have some choice of programmers, you could also choose a french/english or e.g. english/japanese team so that you have disjoint groups of programmers that require translators to communicate
23:56:23 <olsner> naturally, code comments (if any) must be in either group's native language
23:58:30 <FreeFull> You could not give them a specification, and when they code something always tell them that it's wrong, not specifying what's wrong with it
23:58:33 <oerjan> using more than one programming language too, perhaps?
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