< 1344989043 605181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I'm not LWian! < 1344989046 896680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever that is. < 1344989196 44387 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you appear to be in #lesswrong < 1344989275 872987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a lot of channels. < 1344989669 153632 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it had a Bluetooth module it should be able to handle a wiimote, I dunno about drivers though < 1344989673 300196 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're gonna replace the OS anyways... < 1344989682 815344 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/had/has/ < 1344990073 57282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I mean the Bluetooth hardware, not the drivers. Some Bluetooth hardware seems to be incompatible with Wii remote. < 1344990079 977727 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1344990081 175889 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird < 1344990087 459712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why. < 1344990089 787562 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the wii remote was a completely normal Bluetooth device < 1344990251 812051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it is HID joystick with zero buttons, zero axes, zero everything else, since it uses its own protocol. < 1344990287 582556 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it doesn't work with a HID driver alone but a proper Bluetooth module shouldn't care what protocol things use < 1344990290 753338 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the OS's job... < 1344990383 696068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it won't work with a HID joystick driver, I know it will only work with program that specifically uses the Wii remote, but it seems some Bluetooth hardware fails to work with it for some reason, although maybe it is a mistake. < 1344990415 574329 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well taking into account all the weird kind of hardware out there I guess it's possible that some half-arsed Bluetooth implementation would fail to work with specific devices... < 1344990429 325094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes possibly < 1344990529 117681 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344990556 685614 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1344990592 828521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be your opinion of this? http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/User:Zzo38/DotFami < 1344991454 8594 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mappers as components huh < 1344991561 264633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Just a few seconds ago I fixed a few things there too. < 1344991592 289107 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there really demand for that? It's not like there are so many mappers you can't just quickly implement each one in the emulator < 1344991602 407152 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt any new ones will be made either. < 1344991610 541730 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also is there a reason for not just using Unicode for text? < 1344991613 592914 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect the current "Mapper Audio" list is complete, although the "Mapper Component" list is probably very incomplete. < 1344991687 865795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Well, you might want to implement customized mappers, too. Also, the reason to not use Unicode text is due to being too complicated to display and cannot fit into a CHR ROM (although it may be changed to Unicode or even a different encoding; this document is a draft anyways). < 1344991747 835431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things have changed since th first version of the draft, from suggestions and other things, such as increasing the number of banks to 16-bits instead of 8-bits (I thought 8-bits was enough but I was told otherwise, so I corrected this). < 1344991779 651622 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do things that have nothing to do with the functionality of the game like the title or published information have to go into "CHR ROM" < 1344991786 710665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU mode flag was different; it used to contain some features which are unneeded so I removed the unneeded features. < 1344991793 431131 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't it just have extra metadata tags that are completely separate from the game ROM itself? < 1344991810 351929 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :publisher* even < 1344991827 444322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: They don't, but if you want to make up a multigame cartridge it would be useful for them to be in CHR ROM. They are not a part of the CHR ROM of the .fami file itself. < 1344991927 257822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course the multigame cartridge itself could also be implemented using this format, and the program to create the .fami for the multigame cartridge could add a CHR ROM for the titles and so on.) < 1344991999 668160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also one of the reasons for the "***" entries in the ASCII/shortkana table (another reason for the "***" is since some emulators might use null-terminated strings internally, and so on). < 1344992196 594608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it may be changed since it is draft, and if you have any arguments against it then please to say so. < 1344992223 835849 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it is bad for no reason" < 1344992320 572345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't count. < 1344993104 409328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless I plan to add feature to MagicKit assembler for NES 2.0, UNIF, and DotFami output formats, by adding the following commands: .NES2SUB .NES2PRGRAM .NES2CHRRAM .NES2TV .NES2VS .UNIFMAP .UNIFTV .UNIFCTRL .UNIFCHECK .UNIFBATTERY .UNIFVRAM .UNIFMIRROR .UNIFPRG .UNIFCHR .FAMISYM .FAMIMAP .FAMILABEL .FAMICPU < 1344993410 931493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also intend to define some format for files which are used to convert iNES and UNIF mappers into DotFami which can be used by an emulator supporting DotFami to convert iNES and UNIF files internally into DotFami (no need for .fami files of those games) and automatically supports any iNES mapper numbers and UNIF mapper names defined in future! < 1344993676 821132 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "short" for shortkana for < 1344993744 555374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it a shorter encoding than the full hiragana+katakana and Unicode and ShiftJIS and whatever else. < 1344993754 2123 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1344993780 777012 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing some pretty common characters though. < 1344993843 598678 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure ァィゥェォ (the small versions) appear in game names all the time < 1344993854 796683 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps even ヴ < 1344993892 249274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK I can add those, possibly rearranging some existing to make room (such as replacing the WA column with the small A column and moving around) < 1344993908 469654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct. < 1344994068 518086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I fixed it. Thanks for notifying me. < 1344994138 232235 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8B1B5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1344994232 741873 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still firmly hold that any and all text should be stored as UTF-8) < 1344994308 621165 :derdon!~derdon@pD9E1C5CC.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1344994594 643030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some cases UTF-8 is too complicated or there are other reasons not to use it. Sometimes UTF-24 or UTF-32 will be wanted, or ASCII, CP437, or another encoding which is suitable for whatever it is being used for. (If I wanted to store data of a Commodore 64 metadata, or music or whatever, I would use the C64 PETSCII instead of ASCII.) < 1344995267 351950 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8B1B5.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1344996322 588446 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, what if you want your text to be random-accessible? < 1344996352 437612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes that is another thing to consider. < 1344996412 536143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of Open Pandora NAND flash is subject to read disturb? < 1344996437 367937 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a big one, unless you're Elliott "write a fortune that selects a random line in the quote file and seek backwards to a separator, statistics be damned" Hird. < 1344997949 796068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1344998041 334248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1344998249 866388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Comodo firewall terrible just because http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/7ldfz/watch_out_for_phony_certificates_comodousertrust/ < 1344998603 732127 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but why not just use a different firewall? < 1344998614 796163 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1344998759 298635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I already installed it on my friend's computer (Windows Firewall isn't working) < 1344998810 933445 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344999216 438530 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1344999361 236644 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any "competitions" for developing board game AIs? < 1344999375 653293 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that would be something some people here would be interested in < 1344999565 800288 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1344999655 554125 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345000111 794527 :kallisti_!~eris@spirity.org NICK :kallisti < 1345000204 553591 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, well you could enter them in a board game tournament. < 1345000220 102571 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i was specifically thinking of AI-vs-AI competitions < 1345000264 885416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, multiple AIs could enter! < 1345000271 848523 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1345000289 790700 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should start an AI-vs-AI competition! < 1345000394 363322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there surely must be some in chess < 1345000448 409857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Computer_Chess_Championship < 1345000466 212427 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1345000480 414117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Olympiad < 1345000491 701182 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im more interested in algorithmic competition tho < 1345000501 434169 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that looks like its just arbitrary comeptition < 1345000530 983244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the 2009 edition, the rules were changed to limit platforms to commodity hardware supporting at most eight cores,[1] thereby excluding supercomputers and large clusters." < 1345000539 257507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes it more algorithmic < 1345000552 389766 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1345000560 114361 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should start one tho! < 1345000573 788799 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for go or some other more exotic game < 1345000613 714612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Computer_Chess_Championship#World_Chess_Software_Championship is even more specific < 1345000719 94609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Games which the Olympiad would like to run, but have so far been unable to due to lack of entrants:" < 1345000722 338035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arimaa < 1345000723 90216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twixt < 1345000725 357433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix < 1345000976 117298 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should develop a thing for designing Go algorithms < 1345001017 621943 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it would basically need to be a game environment with common commands for interacting with the game < 1345001422 805124 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gofuck? < 1345001469 400504 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^just a joke < 1345001482 575732 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1345001502 546684 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itd be interesting to try different styles of problem solving too < 1345001508 448308 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivatives include gofuckyourself < 1345001509 514011 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm learning Haskell < 1345001512 130707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a good idea? < 1345001515 14449 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes < 1345001537 927315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far nothing too unusual encountered < 1345001573 547036 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bout the monads < 1345001615 802300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gofuck encapsulates it's side effects in gonads < 1345001656 316925 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this tutorial has introduced monads to me yet it hasn't done so by name < 1345001715 71877 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: good. < 1345001718 260534 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tutorial? < 1345001831 30610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, how about Arimaa? < 1345001899 728365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYAH < 1345001919 655650 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: whats arimaa < 1345001922 283107 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ahh hmm < 1345001984 632051 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ah, it seems interesting i guess < 1345002190 482729 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345003057 358558 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345003951 925532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345004070 813135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i saw edwardk made a suggestion on a ghc mailing list to change Control.Category to use PolyKinds < 1345004099 931064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had several possible applications listed < 1345004168 793548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, well it is something similar to what I have suggestion I guess < 1345004202 710908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you can get USB hardware (host and cables too) which are compatible but are not labeled as compatible with USB? < 1345004208 27029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i thought it sounded relevant to things you've discussed < 1345004226 178792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no. < 1345004837 22085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there possible to make a USB vendor ID that can be used by a large number of products? Is there possibility to just use zero VID/PID/serial for large number of things (possibly with a switch on the device if multiple device need to be distinguished)? < 1345005093 118294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is zero a valid VID/PID for USB? < 1345010737 210013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google Is zero a valid VID/PID for USB? < 1345010744 654563 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Is zero a valid VID/PID for USB? < 1345010746 644775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.intra2net.com/mailarchive/html/libftdi/2011/msg00315.html < 1345010746 836333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Re: 1.0: Allow to search for all FTDI standard VID/PID < 1345010994 325934 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345011142 832853 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...what are you trying to do to USB < 1345011247 497619 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he accidently the USB < 1345011272 242012 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1345011426 814574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB has some problem such as requiring VID/PID for each vendor and product, and they are each only sixteen bits anyways, and you have to pay a lot of money for them. Other problems with USB are security problems, and so on. < 1345011446 73333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I want to avoid these problems. < 1345011451 970763 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security problems such as? < 1345011464 828826 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if something is compatible with USB it's going to have the same problems. < 1345011498 190808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security problem such as connecting what seems to be a USB memory to the computer and have it act as a keyboard instead, you can mix up your computer with that (and this has been done). < 1345011546 650798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is a potential way around it < 1345011572 216972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VID/PID pooling... but i guess theres probably strict rules not to do that < 1345011575 911383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are ways around it such as requiring a USB keyboard to be connected at boot time, and so on. < 1345011613 605408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCI Device and Vendor IDs are 16 bits each, too. That seems like the Thing To Do, really. < 1345011625 244533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know there are rules against VID/PID pooling I think it means you cannot call it USB or compatible with USB if you use not the correct VID/PID and other things incorrect too. < 1345011659 384152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't use the logo without passing the USB-IF compliance program, that much I know. < 1345011679 780488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean by that is, using the same VID/PID for several different products < 1345011690 722922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also for several different companies < 1345011705 808534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a virtual vendor so to speak :D < 1345011729 606679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know, I read that on Wikipedia too < 1345011732 651066 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im probably so completely wrong about this that i should stay out of it < 1345011757 22837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think that is also disallowed, but still it was my idea to do exactly that, and just don't use the USB-IF compliance. < 1345011779 66482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do see same VID/PID combinations for different "products" when those products are just slightly rebranded versions of the same thing, but I suppose that doesn't quite count. < 1345011791 818423 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :-D < 1345011828 866771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this "DeLock" brand hub I have, it's listed as "05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB" -- and so are many other 4-port hubs of various sizes and shapes and plastic molds. < 1345011834 456721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it should just always used 0x0000/0x0000 or 0xFFFF/0xFFFF < 1345011864 697992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0 might have compatibility issues. (I don't know if it would: but it sounds like it well might.) < 1345011943 365259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one thing I thought so perhaps 0xFFFF/0xFFFF should be used. < 1345012016 450309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linux-usb.org "usb.ids" master list has the entry for 0xABCD/0xCDEE with vendor "Unknown", product "Petcam". That sounds like another case where someone has made a USB-"compatible" device without bothering to go through USB-IF registration. < 1345012440 98479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from usb.ids: http://sprunge.us/WXhJ < 1345013012 769834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they need that? That seem for human specifically and also does not tell the difference of left hand and right hand, and "calf" is not capitalized. < 1345013062 400751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The capitalization might have been a typo of the person who made the list from (presumably) the HID specs. < 1345013079 150761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's from the "Human Interface Device" stuffs, so I suppose it makes sense it's for humans. < 1345013092 74652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly know what those numbers are used for. < 1345013106 904108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but still why do they even need that list at all, and why is there no distinctuion between left and right hand? < 1345013115 854921 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345013234 47510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another set of "BIAS" numbers with meanings Not Applicable, Right Hand, Left Hand, Both Hands, Either Hand. Perhaps those are used in conjunction with these when the side is important. < 1345013279 798943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345013288 173166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they make that stuff so complicated? < 1345013334 476534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Physical descriptor sets are optional descriptors which provide information about the part or parts of the human body used to activate the controls on a device." That's what they're used for. < 1345013347 823667 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1345013351 458644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For distinguishing the eyebrow button from the fifth toe button. < 1345013362 353117 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345013408 182984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still see no need for such thing. < 1345013447 178824 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345013499 726814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: Physical Descriptors are entirely optional. They add complexity and offer very little in return for most devices. However, some devices, particularly those with a large number of identical controls (for example, buttons) will find that Physical Descriptors help different applications assign functionality to these controls in a more consistent manner. Skip the following section if you do ... < 1345013505 748040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not plan on supporting Physical Descriptors." < 1345013524 418213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(USB HID DCD, 1.11.) < 1345013777 783036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a hardware description language that you can specify by transistors? < 1345013841 959343 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345013866 793367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to esolang wiki "The entire execution unit for muxcomp64 would be extremely small, very close to 16K transistors (not gates, transistors)." How to build such a thing, how fast would it be, and how efficient in terms of program size? < 1345013897 7934 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of the esolang wiki. < 1345014427 831630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, ARMv8 will be 64-bit < 1345014472 506763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It adds that AArch64 thing; does it make it mandatory? < 1345014490 379787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have processors e.g. with and without Thumb, earlier. < 1345014588 853619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read that only ARMv2 could be implemented freely (called Amber) because the new one require a license from ARM, which they don't have. < 1345014743 824349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION submits an anarchy golf program that contains literal formfeeds
< 1345014768 327761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed two characters that weren't present in the input to represent temporary codes to work on, and where I could match "anything but those characters" easily < 1345014796 91140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I noticed Perl had a \V code for "not vertical whitespace", and so used newline and formfeed as my extra characters (both of which can be embedded literally into strings in Perl) < 1345015267 872541 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345015501 739332 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais523_waterfall3 • Trace and animation (warning: very long and very slow to load) " -- dismissed warning too hastily :) < 1345015827 712626 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345016221 595379 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345016505 1338 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345016684 304481 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345019088 867640 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345019200 53144 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345019794 60852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I buy a free and open source microprocessors? < 1345019848 881298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With great difficulty. < 1345019867 483025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run OpenCores things on FPGA devboards, but those aren't "open" themselves. < 1345019926 513231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seem FPGA always requires special software to use. < 1345019947 187144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then they are still FPGA and not standalone units. < 1345020012 279182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can find some information about free and open source microprocessors without too much difficulty but none of them seem to be for sale. < 1345020031 233448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenCores are trying to make a SoC-style ASIC version of OpenRISC, but I don't think they've succeeded so far. < 1345020193 689636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When (if) they do, that should result in something you could actually buy. < 1345020260 128952 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345020816 821932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some "standalone" boards that are built around a FPGA chip which is just not terribly visible outside, but it's still a FPGA-based implementation on some non-open hardware. < 1345020894 526266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't FPGA less efficient than a specifically-build part, though? < 1345020971 772711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but it also costs a lot less if you're only buying a couple. < 1345021074 80839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OpenRISC ASIC donation project mentions they'll need something like $35000-$750000 to proceed, depending on the technology. < 1345021204 338711 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want to be able to do is a free and open source microprocessor which, if the computer is turned off, and then the processor is removed and replaced by another one of the same kind from a different manufacturer who is not licensed with anyone and uses no common materials to build it, that the computer will run the same when turned on. < 1345021497 868179 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1345021607 983710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does OpenRISC cost $750000 then if I want to buy one? < 1345021615 388487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that much money. < 1345021670 596247 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345021818 693808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, they just need that much money for the one-time manufacturing costs. They don't have any estimate for the unit price you'd need to pay if you wanted one (since it depends on how much money they manage to collect and what sort of manufacturing technique they can afford), but it's bound to be reasonably low. < 1345021830 220113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But yes, in the sense that if you wanted to buy one right now, you could donate them the $750000 and presumably they'd then manage to get something manufactured. < 1345021841 597504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not quite "right now", but in the near future. < 1345021857 718731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're going to just take their donations and move to Bahamas. You never know. < 1345021944 426240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is possible, but I doubt it. < 1345022062 564264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, their web-forums aren't terribly active, so it's not certain at all that they'll ever get to the point that they'd be actually selling processors. < 1345022068 997818 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is possible that you will acquire $750000 of disposable cash < 1345022137 621799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there sufficiently fast and efficient 32-bit processor which lacks the following features: serial numbers, DRM, virtual addressing, save state across power cycles < 1345022147 873342 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temptation there would be to move into a 5star hotel < 1345022226 846025 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow avoid becoming charlie sheen < 1345022589 76732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't want too many features < 1345022626 290970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the one which are more simple! < 1345022901 191069 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.215.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345023242 878324 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the positive side of hardware is that since it is physical it cannot be pirated so easily < 1345023328 479804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means.. hmm i'm not sure.. i guess it doesn't mean that much < 1345023404 40212 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345023419 898651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose also that hardware emulation means that by investing in one very powerful piece of hardware, one can emulate 100s of less powerful but more prolific hardwares < 1345023455 390838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want one that anyone can just copy without license fees (although they will certainly need to pay for equipment and so on) < 1345023598 724348 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble with very powerful hardware is it has much less mobility, far more expensive, more concerns with heat dissipation < 1345023618 619232 :mig21a!~mig@ad202.166.85.6.magix.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345023629 873048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but I don't need very powerful hardware, but not too slow either. < 1345023697 99618 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im slowly understanding the business world.. very slowly < 1345023744 192007 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally if a license fee has to be paid, a healthy business will pay it < 1345023775 939465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems counter intuitive to me < 1345023833 909060 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for instance, most companies which avoided NES licensing made crappy games < 1345023861 787841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect this may be because they lacked documentation and tools from nintendo though < 1345023874 216357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, the Gameboy Advance has a lot of good homebrew games < 1345023906 685858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well.. i just got a homebrew cart for my new secondhand ds today < 1345024309 900055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's one of those that go into the DS slot (only), I doubt you can run GBA games from it. < 1345024347 8084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least entirely trivially. Maybe someone's hacked something up by now.) < 1345024366 378430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh.. i wonder what i am in for < 1345024509 902369 :mig21a_!~mig@111.65.28.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345024529 807938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this "R4DS" microsd-to-DS homebrewness thing, though it's been quite a while since I last fiddled with it. < 1345024569 95932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345024577 214722 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the one i got is r4 < 1345024670 171459 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well importantly i should ask.. is it the gba platform itself which is the issue, or is it the amount of work to emulate it? < 1345024683 407786 :mig21a!~mig@ad202.166.85.6.magix.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345024685 42996 :mig21a_!~mig@111.65.28.21 NICK :mig21a < 1345024722 595889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DS is not doing any emulation to run GBA games, it's got the necessary hardware in it. < 1345024739 341814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ARM7TDMI that the GBA uses is one of the two processors in the DS.) < 1345024750 275462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GBA has GBC/GB hardware in it < 1345024763 601284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so the DS dropped those. < 1345024788 251123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose no GBA-native game actually used the Z80 for anything? I don't know. < 1345024804 275792 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some used it for stuff < 1345024809 619343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what for < 1345024814 333472 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm ok so.. basically... instead of creating some bastardized solution to cater to idiots.. should i understand the general idea is to get a flash card which uses slot-2? < 1345024815 877412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose those won't work on the DS then? < 1345024830 971363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: If you want to run things designed for the GBA, yes. < 1345024853 561150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's homebrew, it sounds reasonably feasible for the author to make a DS-compatible build, since they do have the hardware. < 1345024876 92670 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have a bunch of gba games until i traded them in for a pittance < 1345024916 514041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.... my ff6 gba was a counterfeit from ebay which had therefore no capacity to save < 1345024917 439681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some values of "feasible", anyway. If they rely on extra RAM on the flash card, then probably not.) < 1345024971 944430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSLinux doesn't run terribly well on the plain R4, for example, since a slot-1 card cannot provide extra expansion RAM. < 1345025063 153937 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345025117 788745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The slot-1 cartridge communicates with the system over a relatively narrow bus and a specific protocol that has read requests and whatnot, while the GBA slot is just mapped into the address space quite directly.) < 1345025125 100416 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it couldn't hurt to have both when i get desperate < 1345025186 586475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm under the impression that most of the slot-2 flashcards have some megs of expansion RAM in them, just in case. < 1345025195 568391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Never bothered to get one.) < 1345025208 663366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds browser comes with some kind of expansion < 1345025225 636295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, yes. < 1345025233 210360 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had that once < 1345025241 917761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DSLinux can use extra RAM from the browser expansion, if I recall correctly. < 1345025249 62150 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345025272 56572 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also use dldi(?) storage on slot2 expansions < 1345025354 660918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is technically possible to access media in both Slot-1 and Slot-2 but support is not currently implemented." (DSLinux wiki) < 1345025365 513144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose you can't do mass storage on both. < 1345025403 971263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've booted dslinux a few times from the (slot1) R4, but it doesn't really have all that much use, especially without extra RAM. < 1345025468 2563 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds lite was $56 .. card was $52.50 including postage.. i'm quite happy with that < 1345025986 346632 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345026590 166479 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345026617 207554 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345027355 539867 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345028064 50799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1345028191 643624 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345028251 882589 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345029098 546874 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345030505 333369 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-74.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345030601 633240 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345031761 397423 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8B1B5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345032844 175266 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345033267 518244 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345033307 324474 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-74.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345033331 150313 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-74.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345033755 213122 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345034085 91129 :mig21a!~mig@111.65.28.21 QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1345034100 521656 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1345035607 467808 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1345036881 398715 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345037071 712987 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1345037284 342666 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345037449 84025 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345038141 503038 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345038626 435923 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1345039890 476859 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-74.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345040434 89910 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-1-16.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1345040816 948116 :alexn6!~quassel@fsman.iki.rssi.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1345041179 964789 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345041583 668031 :alexn6!~quassel@fsman.iki.rssi.ru PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." < 1345042627 844581 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345042650 904959 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345044478 895667 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345045877 60628 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345045891 512988 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange that streets in finland have a finnish name and a swedish name < 1345045895 620133 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least in helsinki this is the case) < 1345045948 825054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1345045968 353641 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It’s a bit as if Polish streets had both a Polish name and a German name. < 1345045982 374331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a Finnish anthem and a Swedish anthem, with different melodies. < 1345045982 558163 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they don't put them both on the signs, do they? < 1345045984 277273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore :) < 1345045987 555127 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1345045989 853001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/They/We/, of course. :-) < 1345046081 32698 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345046099 513574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.testtubegames.com/velocityraptor.html < 1345046106 634839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1345046110 84378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Wed Aug 15 08:55:06 2012 < 1345046111 92948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has yet to sleep.
< 1345046121 128579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as far as i can convince myself things are wonderful, languages are really wonderful < 1345046317 910767 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in english the word frog means someone who wears a beret < 1345046374 536848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you call someone a frog you might say, pardon my french < 1345046902 996792 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345047066 250360 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345047571 161566 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345048226 138894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some muncipalities are unilingual, they only put one set of names in signs. < 1345048286 88363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In .il signs are generally supposed to be trilingual. < 1345048286 295355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the proper word is "authority", not muncipality. < 1345048288 470137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1345048322 788085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Language Act is based on a division of authorities into unilingual and bilingual authorities. The linguistic division is of importance both for the language rights of an individual and for the language obligations of the authorities. The obligations of a unilingual authority to provide service in both languages are more limited than those of a bilingual authority. < 1345048327 977600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basis of the linguistic division will, as before, be unilingual and bilingual municipalities. The grounds for the division will remain the same. Every ten years the Council of State decides the division on the basis of the information in the Population Data System regarding the language of each inhabitant of the municipality. < 1345048332 971918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current Council of State Decree will expire in 2012. According to the Decree there are 21 bilingual municipalities with Finnish as the majority language in Finland and 23 bilingual municipalities with Swedish as the majority language. Three municipalities are Swedish-speaking. The rest of the municipalities, 399 today, are Finnish-speaking." < 1345048380 195984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so "authority" was referring to all kinds of things that serve people. Still. < 1345048436 508288 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345048538 444882 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345048713 120699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They should add English. < 1345048720 348997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, I mean, everyone likes English. < 1345048853 445524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they'd have to invent translated names for every street. That sounds like a job. < 1345048905 979940 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Finland has jumped the shark. < 1345048915 37870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of Swedishness. < 1345048935 395794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, just transliterate the names into English! < 1345048946 469539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess when you have almost the same alphabet, it doesn't make as much sense. < 1345049055 955302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But which name, the Finnish or the Swedish one? (Transliteration could do the äö -> ae, oe mapping, that always results in amusing names.) < 1345049068 424170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The Finnish one, obviously. < 1345049074 293912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *is* Finland, after all! < 1345049089 519583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses logic.
< 1345049090 597298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once lived on Jaeaekaerinkatu. < 1345049106 456964 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swedish words don't deserve to be spoken in english < 1345049118 409745 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, proof positive that Finns are actually kobolds. < 1345049173 340237 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1d4chan.org/images/1/16/Id_give_you_the_moon.gif <- accurate depiction of Finnish courtship? < 1345049177 299283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a Toeoeloenlahdenkatu. < 1345049195 754577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe .il signs should add Russian. < 1345049200 750450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they can have four alphabets. < 1345049221 560435 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345049236 837524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently something like 20% of the population speaks Russian? < 1345049282 355603 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345049287 877391 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345049411 939973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think "Finnish courtship" in general involves much more drunk, but. < 1345049468 252403 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't show you but the bowl is actually full of vodka < 1345049548 195181 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although given that finnish houses probably are like http://1d4chan.org/images/9/9f/Koboldhouse.gif < 1345049620 736143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :First Google image search hit of "Finnish house" for me gave a house in Gent, Belgium. < 1345049639 851648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it has "stark beauty with Japanese-Finnish undertones".) < 1345049668 139447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.travelpod.com/tw_slides/ta00/9ca/65a/a-typical-finnish-house-jamsa.jpg -- well, that is indeed very typical. < 1345049689 533045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I like how the windows are kind of wherever.) < 1345049737 980028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mondarinish? < 1345049751 291211 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345049811 202121 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well of course, finns haven't yet invented the straight ruler < 1345049862 710639 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345050143 6961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A traditional Finnish house: http://lh4.ggpht.com/-tnNFy8xax6o/RcaLthnHOAI/AAAAAAAAB-A/LJaFNvVGdR4/pikkuhuopalahti0015.jpg (not really) < 1345050166 491577 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the pillars < 1345050190 750172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are those things in the air cablecars, please please please tell me they're cablecars < 1345050244 290035 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, those are finnish bicycles < 1345050268 224629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what "things" those are. There are streetlights, and the tram power cables, that I can see. < 1345050304 261486 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1345050305 868590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mediaserver-2.vuodatus.net/g/3004/1854115.jpg <- the backside; http://taivasalla.net/2003/2003-04/img/030410_1702.jpg <- the frontside. < 1345050319 134217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ahh.. well in many places streetlights are suspended from poles. < 1345050328 664049 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so having them on a wire is novel < 1345050372 244207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: They're hanging from wires I think mostly in places where the trams go, I guess the idea is that you're going to have wires over the street in any case. < 1345050405 128064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie. yes, phantom thought the streetlights were cablecars < 1345050418 222704 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believed him < 1345050535 458974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: The fakeblecars are here: http://goo.gl/maps/GXcVW < 1345050661 847183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually there are also far less pastel colours, but the neighbourhood is an unusual one.) < 1345050934 872770 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-4.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345050940 865678 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: are you working on haiku os project? < 1345051066 203466 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1345051100 769078 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. then it must be some other kallisti < 1345051179 458381 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streetview has surprisingly poor coverage of Venice. < 1345051222 15043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Streetview had really poor coverage of some place. < 1345051225 525522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luxembourg, I think. < 1345051248 883946 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about Luxembourg?? < 1345051268 690516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "poor" I mean "none". < 1345051269 692051 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luxembourg could accidently get lost in border disputes < 1345051286 104673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a whole lot of those Panoramio geotagged photos though. < 1345051302 475778 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Venice I guess it's because the interesting parts of the city are all entirely pedestrian or... boatestrian. < 1345051340 602048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they could whip up a streetview gondola. < 1345051426 887690 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"boatestrian" -- Phantom_Hoover, 2012 < 1345051578 73175 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans are the only species stupid enough to live on the surface of the water < 1345051587 676911 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol? < 1345051593 976201 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious? < 1345051637 578770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1345051640 612435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well TbH it's not a common strategy for anything motile < 1345051683 569658 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would depend on what you mean by "surface of the water." I included aquatic lifeform that lives near the surface of the ocean. < 1345051686 553826 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Portugese Man o' War is the only one I can think of offhand. < 1345051740 345893 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly what i mean, i was basing the comment on the word boatestrian < 1345051760 818644 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's what itidus21 meant, considering that most well-known oceanic species live in the upper part of the ocean. < 1345051766 122886 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :many species of insects can walk across water. There's also a reptile I believe. < 1345051792 340197 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagined pedestrian - ped.. + boat.. < 1345051798 843882 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and imagined an animal with a hull < 1345051812 331726 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought.. well if it was a fish it would be more like a submarine < 1345051852 973979 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that an animal which functioned like a boat would be quite absurd < 1345051943 495982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lizard is kind of a different case since it just runs across pretty fast and can't stay in place, it's too big for the surface tension trick. < 1345051959 400675 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345051986 258151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the boat is one of the few vehicles which doesn't have a close animal counterpart < 1345051997 304342 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure beavers also live on the surface of water in the same way that humans can (via artificial constructions) < 1345052022 747888 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1345052033 253804 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in general it's against nature for an animal to be a boat < 1345052040 501864 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why < 1345052044 165018 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < 1345052048 846667 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help how do. < 1345052054 900079 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1345052076 400 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i think in general it's against nature for an animal to be a boat < 1345052080 666966 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :856) i think in general it's against nature for an animal to be a boat < 1345052081 615965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some birds make floating nests, that's pretty close to a houseboat. < 1345052086 598199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grebes, for example. < 1345052109 248006 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noah understood this < 1345052146 978734 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like that statement deserves an automatic kickban. < 1345052198 329141 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should perhaps not have ops.
< 1345052200 836214 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345052208 283492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Jacanas build nests on floating vegetation. They have ridiculous feet: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Irediparra_gallinacea1.jpg < 1345052229 994313 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti, although he didn't understand inbreeding. < 1345052244 524114 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. yeah i took it too far < 1345052309 825980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to make it worse < 1345052587 813831 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess polar bears live on water < 1345052634 911206 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: what about like underground streams, maaan? < 1345052640 808273 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we all living on water? < 1345052745 713177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :polar bears live on seals < 1345053356 742167 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i was envisioning something like hedonismbot from futurama in the way he is always sitting down < 1345053429 152622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but the bird is not the boat then, it's just living on it < 1345053448 491020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whales should count as u-boats < 1345053450 871700 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were never originally talking about boats < 1345053455 198514 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just itidus21 for you. < 1345053511 357181 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, we were never talking about animals that are boats. < 1345053516 131566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, *originally*, I suppose we were talking about esoteric programming languages < 1345053518 724225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember when that was < 1345053521 121828 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "animal that lives on the surface of the water" < 1345053543 942363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing about water is i don't think animals often mess with the water except beavers < 1345053544 695682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, I think we should respect the rights of whales to be boats < 1345053546 163700 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "animal that is boat also noah herp derp" < 1345053583 627534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got that from ped = foot < 1345053618 674073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. my obscure logic was.. something which is like a pedestrian except it doesn't have feet < 1345053666 309645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess equestrian is when you have horses for feet < 1345053695 598736 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1345053781 596150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: A house is not a motel. < 1345053787 771895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345053820 837937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you a boat? < 1345053829 518214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is it a boat then? < 1345053832 398826 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but can a motel be a boat? < 1345053837 667697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WROOM < 1345053840 708239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can oerjan be a boat? < 1345053846 100079 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we considered the possibility of motels for feet? < 1345053847 570371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I don't see why not. < 1345053870 416876 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: vending machines < 1345053888 153310 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel as though Nabisco understands that it is unnatural for animals to be vending machines. < 1345053901 552281 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345053910 323354 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345053912 20532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future, when we've all been cyborgified, there will be vending machines for feet. < 1345053924 828223 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also: kickban itidus21 so he can stop ruining this channel. < 1345053927 445139 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1345053939 749038 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to idle in peace. < 1345053961 588679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone will be their own house, and with inflatable cyborg implants everyone can also be a boat < 1345054035 144650 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone ever considered: static structural typing with a prototype OO system. < 1345054048 796236 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :with immutable objects < 1345054119 479040 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since objects are immutable, you don't explicitly copy objects. instead you explicitly extend them with new fields. < 1345054176 754215 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and types are denoted by structure. as in: {x : Int, y : Double} is the type for a structure with those fields and types. < 1345054194 156828 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this exist? is there a problem with this? etc < 1345054345 860306 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive types could be a problem. < 1345054359 556394 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :without nominal typing of some kind. < 1345054469 232599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like something that should've been done, but not sure about the immutable objects part < 1345054508 501075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345054523 549629 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :most prototype OO systems are dyanamically typed, but I don't see any reason for this to be the case, since it more or less mirrors structural typing. structural typing is like the duck typing of static typing. < 1345054538 908193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc these modern JS engines try to infer type information based on structure, but everything is mutable there so they'll have to like change the type of an object on the fly < 1345054592 137850 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is interested in some of the Haskell record improvement proposals, which heavily resemble structural types.
< 1345054606 698690 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially you'd have a curly bracket syntax at the type level that's syntax sugar for a bunch of typeclass constraints. < 1345054607 417835 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345054820 911939 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably off topic, but is {x : Int, y : Double} equivalent to {y : Double, x : Int} < 1345054821 95585 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how recursive types could work with a structural type system like this though. if you have an operation that essentially combines 2 records with static type information, then it's not clear how recursive types would be altered by this. < 1345054833 856195 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: yes < 1345054851 893402 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there would need to be a nominal type system as well. using ADTs. < 1345054914 880414 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a way to sanely prototype something with a static recursive type. < 1345054956 447377 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words: < 1345055048 481813 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Foo = {x : Int, y : Double, z : Foo }; x = {x = 2, y = 2.5, z = x} + {a = "hello"} < 1345055052 830810 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the type of x? < 1345055060 102382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, saw the original narm scene just now ... it really was narm < 1345055167 384510 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nevermind I guess that resolves itself. also that example only really makes sense with lazy evaluation < 1345055323 500056 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, also, it should be pointed out that record types have subtypes. {x : Int, y : Double} is a subtype of {x : Int} < 1345055326 433847 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1345055454 866843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thoughts have turned to a variable which can refuse to indicate it's type or value until it's ready < 1345055505 697783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would basically mean try-catch blocks around assignments < 1345055556 641772 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a can't evaluate this operator < 1345055572 465442 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PART #esoteric :"disgustpart" < 1345055610 823654 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1345056061 923572 :Nihilist_!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345056109 547188 :jlaire_!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345056179 121264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345056229 675628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it somewhat obvious that atriq is Taneb? The next line after that one also says so! < 1345056311 229517 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345056348 155811 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1345056348 474132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1345056348 652338 :jlaire!~jlaire@80-248-244-51.cust.suomicom.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1345056350 749562 :Nihilist_!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net NICK :NihilistDandy < 1345056425 920633 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT : < 1345056448 102590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, atriq is Taneb? < 1345056451 350809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not realized. < 1345056560 714194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why? It says so not only in the topic message but also in the line that says who changed the topic message. < 1345056591 325806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pay all that much attention to the topic. < 1345056714 496996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can also see it with every message received from atriq and with WHOIS and NS INFO as well. < 1345056725 323578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NS INFO confirms for sure) < 1345056729 411121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1345056750 167225 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1345056759 649227 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linuxforniggers.us/ < 1345056760 757578 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345057209 727422 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-4.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345057219 341569 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345057248 556926 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does your IRC client display the username and hostname on every PRIVMSG? < 1345057253 774439 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345057254 103970 :Zuu!zuu@77.215.149.86 QUIT :Changing host < 1345057254 250044 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1345057282 972734 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if zzo38 just used telnet as his IRC client. < 1345057297 486558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr that he did < 1345057420 233004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes it does, and it is displayed in colors, too. < 1345057424 584582 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully his keyboard is a typewriter with a parallel port < 1345057470 233401 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his display is a needle printer connected to a lpt port. < 1345057475 788172 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everything works out for the best. < 1345057511 982993 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1345057529 30953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am currently using an ordinary computer < 1345057537 914812 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame. < 1345057602 610393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1345057776 481968 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1345058123 810499 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his printer is a mirror galvinometer < 1345058294 408861 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i rode the Spårakoff < 1345058298 962177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pub tram in Helsinki < 1345058326 424786 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345058786 471167 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they care if the line endings of a C code are CRLF on a UNIX system? < 1345058812 140168 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc doesn't seem to < 1345058927 902955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do other GNU-compatible C compilers care? < 1345058951 639933 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1345059205 987663 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT : < 1345059254 879554 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345059379 181716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Where are you staying in the sin city of hel? < 1345059561 50444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vallila < 1345059592 638603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving tomorrow morning though < 1345059616 938408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla? < 1345059630 312620 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1345059667 203563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: From http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/valli < 1345059713 944811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's very similar to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vall#Swedish < 1345059743 46877 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1345059764 341434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone I knew lived in Puu-Vallila, the area of oldish (by Finnish standards; early 1900s) wooden houses in there. < 1345059821 186265 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: confused by the name; i would expect names derived from "dike" < 1345059827 949248 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "embankment" to be near the water? < 1345059840 230631 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas we are relatively far from the water by helsinki standards < 1345059906 360274 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345059909 990483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :think "wall" < 1345059913 1726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: It does mean an earthen wall-like structure too. < 1345059944 744557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I suppose by extension maybe stone walls too. < 1345059974 875081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really interior walls, though. The kind of things you'd have around a fortress. < 1345060021 259078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the inner border of a pool/billiards table as a special case. < 1345060044 59600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those walls in english? < 1345060098 759453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Vallila's Swedish name is Vallgård, incidentally. < 1345060106 288534 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those are "bumpers" in english < 1345060142 42124 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345060161 848322 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1345060194 196001 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm: Cushions (also sometimes called "rail cushions", "cushion rubber", or rarely "bumpers") are located on the inner sides of a table's wooden rails. < 1345060249 507542 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "vallihauta" (lit. "grave") is a moat. < 1345060271 59173 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is valli- Finnish for -irth? < 1345060295 516466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what -irth is. < 1345060315 13301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We discussed what valli is right before you joined, though. < 1345060320 503993 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1345060323 245992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had fun today < 1345060325 76652 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the -irth form, duh. < 1345060333 952008 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irthative case < 1345060348 354761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know when you started to understandirth -irth. < 1345060355 559541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How irthitating. < 1345060371 201284 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makirth sense < 1345060440 78956 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1345060839 173970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, oko knew about -irth, didn't he teach it to you? < 1345060859 459615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I must have forgotten. < 1345060931 81566 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly fizzie when did you knowirth basic English grammar. < 1345061144 568952 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it when I greetirth? < 1345061193 956452 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously fizzie enjoyirth the channel after that. < 1345061437 42252 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was -irth all along < 1345061457 922921 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please referencirth, lexande. < 1345062227 112475 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345062274 573660 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqirth! < 1345062327 136292 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :comirth the greetirther < 1345062361 641156 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1345062616 308058 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345062642 622977 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345064564 834235 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to -irth < 1345064616 152635 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-4-225.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345065282 256275 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy, wait you're still around??? < 1345065289 697973 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1345065330 346263 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345065456 378708 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345066717 890611 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345067437 632660 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345068975 864068 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345069132 937199 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345070586 937009 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345071135 415679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to try to fight BUZZSAW MCGRAW again < 1345071332 593433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won. < 1345071340 738752 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1345071364 772154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 08-15-2012: ZZO38 defeated BUZZSAW MCGRAW in a ROUND 2 TKO! After the Fight, ZZO38 would not talk to the PRESS: < 1345071415 135379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A KITTY :3 < 1345071486 462467 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, we know. Shut up about it. < 1345071489 52215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to fight HAYMAKER MARRIS < 1345071523 959366 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: But… she's sleeping in my lap and she's fuzzy :( < 1345071545 874712 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but you're turning the channel into reddit dammit. < 1345071921 276761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1345071922 874527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ragaraja < 1345071926 458077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1345071934 396256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me what to do with it :P < 1345071950 921026 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqx memories < 1345072011 713729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1345072024 455312 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TURING-COMPLETE? < 1345072044 286956 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do they care if the line endings of a C code are CRLF on a UNIX system? // no conforming C compiler cares. < 1345072061 321281 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that was a long time ago X-D < 1345072065 334341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thank you for telling me. < 1345072112 193305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I suppose I only need to fix the shell script to compile < 1345072160 373541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No conforming implementation of Unix will accept shell scripts with CRLF, but I believe that's only because of the #! line. < 1345072174 230105 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct behavior with #!/bin/sh\r\n is to run in an interpreter with the filename /bin/sh\r < 1345072186 246094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that. < 1345072211 89241 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if you want to run an interpreter with the filename /bin/foo\n? :-( < 1345072223 115644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they should make a file with that name which passes the script to dos2unix and then run it in the ordinary shell. < 1345072227 390162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Not with a #! line :) < 1345072250 163992 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe you shouldn't use DOS line endings… < 1345072254 532646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my money back. < 1345072269 792030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Money back for what? < 1345072283 695613 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix < 1345072376 595295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this is the final round and I am already six points ahead, I am guessing that my best chance to win is just to avoid getting knocked out. < 1345072390 610963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I lose some points for doing so. < 1345072408 10969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how boxing is supposed to work? < 1345072438 253788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know about beatboxing. < 1345072857 429896 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you could use env? < 1345072889 842784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His own blood cells were killing him.-EMH_" what letter do you think should go in place of "_"? < 1345072908 475224 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env "/bin/foo\n" < 1345072957 829884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose from: F J P Q U V X Y Z < 1345073052 786981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1345073105 345083 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the guy who made that has added two fucking BF derivatives today alone. < 1345073141 519228 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make me a sysop, just this once. < 1345073161 27138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: that does not work < 1345073176 744912 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least unless I have completely forgotten how shebang parsing works < 1345073343 117453 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh? < 1345073350 885120 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just don't know how env works < 1345073365 34796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you just don't know how #! works < 1345073377 524855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, that passes /usr/bin/env the argument: < 1345073393 176986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{'"', '/', 'b', 'i', 'n', '/', 'f', 'o', 'o', '\\', 'n', '"'} < 1345073396 864699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, and a 0 on the end < 1345073408 508235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 80% sure of this < 1345073409 460913 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1345073417 951833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely does _not_ go through the shell < 1345073437 715938 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, my mind was assuming without noticing that it went through the shell and of course it doesn't < 1345073464 391197 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Indeed. And env doesn’t handle that kind of a parameter in any special way either. < 1345073465 664926 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit there must be some way to do it < 1345073550 510481 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1345073556 530354 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec "/bin/foo < 1345073560 688921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" "$@" < 1345073567 684488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have /bin/foo\n ignore that part. :-P < 1345073598 800170 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. "$0" before "$@" < 1345073917 357181 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345074613 240169 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345074884 932443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons with no change of equipment during this session. < 1345074932 358110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of our inventory got added or removed. < 1345074988 642968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has worked for the government, muahaha
< 1345074995 430594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1345075022 672032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to figure out exactly what kind of secret government work you have done simply by pure logic and reasoning, rather than by asking. < 1345075118 358098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1345075186 982201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I will admit that the muahaha was silly, but I have worked for the government.