< 1345593605 834759 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: sure, but in a real program it's very likely you'll do things that are technically undefined in C < 1345593609 800574 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then all bets are off < 1345593611 636623 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe "semantics" was the wrong word < 1345593613 652771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone proficient in a language should be able to interpret it mentally... haskell is simpler for this because simple term reduction is a valid evaluation strategy < 1345593619 308962 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Sure, but that has very little to do with performance. < 1345593634 885951 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know what "real programs" you've been looking at < 1345593635 662628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: And I can in fact do the same with Haskell with little effort anyways. < 1345593640 947077 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did I mention performance? < 1345593646 161456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually kmc is completely right < 1345593654 832879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think most programs don't invoke UB you have no idea how strict UB actually is < 1345593662 545853 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh really? < 1345593665 482100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even code that doesn't need to use any system interfaces beyond really simple file IO is probably going to do it < 1345593667 12617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: yes really. < 1345593670 528722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL has a lot of undefined behavior, right? < 1345593675 703260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or implementation-defined < 1345593676 222634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1345593677 594883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you check every possible case of signed overflow before doing it, for instance? < 1345593678 121684 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read N1256 several times. I post in comp.lang.c. < 1345593686 419351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you post in comp.lang.c < 1345593687 622283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, expert < 1345593691 495036 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: element of surprise < 1345593703 939573 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Do you ever use a type ending in _t? < 1345593709 472078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot about the _t thing < 1345593712 920009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehe < 1345593719 456400 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I use them sometimes. I don't typedef them < 1345593720 553847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just invalidity though isn't it < 1345593730 456532 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's pernicious courtesy of everyone thinking it's normal style. < 1345593731 683521 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie. I sometimes use stdint.h) < 1345593748 827547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is newLisp's bizarre reference stuff the only way that source and save are able to work, or could one make another language that reasonably saves its "images" as source code? < 1345593755 974168 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's reserved namespace. Making identifiers in reserved namespace is UB, not merely invalid. < 1345593764 208373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, yes < 1345593778 985934 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people do it all the god damned time. < 1345593789 641944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i will let kmc individually quote examples of undefined behaviour, outlying the argumentation algorithm is good enough for me < 1345593793 828543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newLisp would be good for a nomic < 1345593794 726240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*outlining < 1345593797 192958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely because of save < 1345593798 396333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1345593803 306535 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many people like _FOO_H header guards. < 1345593815 958846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i can't be bothered < 1345593817 846014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun thing with C is that most cases of UB still work just like you think it "should", so you mostly never notice when it happens < 1345593821 23270 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry bros and bro-ettes < 1345593830 207716 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so, I actually use #pragma once, which makes me a Bad Person < 1345593842 727093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well this is the first time i have ever seen you not want to argue something < 1345593844 248843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you feeling ok < 1345593844 394901 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, we don't actually use the Deathstation 5000. < 1345593855 497927 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That's implementation-defined behavior, not UB. < 1345593861 740683 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, I know < 1345593863 950396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you should finish your strict C compiler so we have an algorithmic implementation of this argument strategy < 1345593866 442547 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: That still makes you a bad person mind. :) < 1345593868 337932 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still makes me a Bad Person < 1345593875 222934 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmta < 1345593882 679129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we should < 1345593883 833552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ducks
< 1345593884 601394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dinosaurs used the deathstation 5000. < 1345593885 269268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's hardly the first time < 1345593894 834852 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm not enough of a C expert to quote chapter and verse < 1345593908 178950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling Deewiant and fizzie :p < 1345593910 443143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe ais523? I forget < 1345593938 768836 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ais523 write NH4, or Acehack, or something? < 1345593950 816945 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets which variant is which (since I only play vanilla)
< 1345593999 461600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i actually only read how this argument started now < 1345594011 302212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, it is even stupider than I could have possibly imagined < 1345594015 24046 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if he's been near NH code, he must know his C < 1345594023 181642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, they subtitled everyone's ugh, uhh, agh, wah and aggh in the fight scene < 1345594030 785310 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like to exceed people's expectations ;) < 1345594041 353921 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1345594051 845338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally the expectation of being a jerk to people is not one you want to assume unless you are trying to be a bad person < 1345594054 633644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :";)" < 1345594057 591725 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-191.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345594092 882058 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's just that I'm disappointed by how little actual esolang talk goes on in this channel < 1345594099 509008 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, unless you count Haskell as an esolang) < 1345594107 437774 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah try starting some esolang talk then < 1345594112 313694 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I vent that disappointment through jerkish behaviour. < 1345594122 245141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of esolang talk goes on when there is esolang stuff to talk about < 1345594122 391882 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm immature" < 1345594126 230365 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh there isn't that much haskell talk either < 1345594135 592455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a popular enough field to sustain 24/7 conversation < 1345594142 119945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is just... not programming < 1345594150 16963 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ok. Has anyone tried to use my Eniuq, or looked at ternary ECL? < 1345594151 789039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me bitching about xkcd < 1345594161 696517 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, that I *cannot* excuse < 1345594163 817032 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 presenting nonsensical analogies and theories < 1345594171 479297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: are you an xkcd fan < 1345594175 860139 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very. < 1345594179 38722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1345594181 94894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehehehehehehe < 1345594181 985606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good < 1345594189 430396 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it has declined over time < 1345594195 548914 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury is a robot sent from the future to annoy me < 1345594210 365118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw you forgot Sgeo {talking about,switching} languages < 1345594218 206137 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1345594219 791224 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for kmc to /nick SarahConnor
< 1345594226 196693 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo deciding which language is best for not doing anything < 1345594226 414308 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1345594256 371558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hey, I wrote a bot in Tcl recently! < 1345594257 127583 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and lots of Finnish-related stuff. That's the other thing in this channel. < 1345594257 312497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: best for idling in IRC channel of; best for teaching people < 1345594268 985454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots and lots of Finnish-related stuff < 1345594270 729021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you high < 1345594286 416536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just mean oklopol or something... < 1345594307 781771 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not all that much < 1345594314 53745 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does come up < 1345594314 848743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you also forgot zzo38 occasionally redeeming the channel < 1345594319 206465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitä! < 1345594329 192378 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talking about vowel harmony and suchlike a couple of weeks back < 1345594337 306157 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some insanely long string of suffices < 1345594344 23920 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minun ilmatyynyalus on täynnä ankeriaita < 1345594359 647782 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all akkuukkää-ish < 1345594370 460718 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38 jumping into the middle of a conversation to ask us what our favorite pokémon card is < 1345594384 738935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhdeksänkymmentäseitsemän < 1345594416 478905 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is certainly esoteric... < 1345594421 678222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ankeriaita < 1345594475 606854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :luojan kiitos googlen käännös < 1345594529 62589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tosiaanko < 1345594555 342692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345594561 346946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of the < 1345594604 227709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1345594613 984492 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last actually finnish person to speak was fizzie three hours ago < 1345594664 51167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway I am surprised you have the patience for this place < 1345594675 464017 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it here < 1345594679 387344 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is crazy < 1345594683 541977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't feel bad about being crazy < 1345594687 420039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1345594690 623273 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." < 1345594695 37132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what, you're not crazy < 1345594710 528806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is about as crazy as Vorpal < 1345594712 131576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less annoying < 1345594731 946984 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did vorpal talk or something < 1345594739 249051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not very crazy at all, now is it? < 1345594746 340606 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen vorpal for yonks < 1345594808 939986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Vorpal is not actually annoying any more < 1345594812 67165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all grow up eventually < 1345594814 555089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I will, one day < 1345594868 608740 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345594869 349514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WON'T < 1345594886 340704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have < 1345594889 642536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just get crushed by the maturity demands < 1345594896 503225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you like 50 now < 1345594900 758815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1345594902 491143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many maturity demands are even left < 1345594907 806166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i'm 17 now :/ < 1345594910 753109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :42!? < 1345594911 809272 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1345594922 651009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you turn 18 yet < 1345594926 941203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget how old you are < 1345594927 100812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott; Now? < 1345594930 54012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Aug 22? < 1345594937 415964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1345594939 145832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date < 1345594939 338508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wed Aug 22 01:23:59 BST 2012 < 1345594976 562989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flime ties like an arrow. :-( < 1345594980 880086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it already more than a year since we celebrated elliott's 16th birthday < 1345594989 620446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's just under a year. < 1345594990 473431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo celebrate < 1345594995 814605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we celebrate birthdays!? < 1345595002 790191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shall I eat cake in your honor? < 1345595009 124598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1345595012 939213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy elliott++ ! < 1345595020 563964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma elliott < 1345595020 845748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a karma of 22 < 1345595024 282861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of karma < 1345595029 638911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling "groovy" < 1345595033 974911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma chameleon < 1345595034 818838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chameleon has a karma of 0 < 1345595037 383535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:23 elliott: 16 < 1345595049 423450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1345595055 8403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44:48: hello < 1345595055 181195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:45:32: anyone looking for a tarot reading? < 1345595056 737256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice newbie < 1345595062 956551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know you have an entry in my Birthday file?! < 1345595067 106780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :/ < 1345595072 493298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is it < 1345595078 781882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One entry. < 1345595097 220366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's ~45, it looks like. < 1345595122 747579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next up is my mother. < 1345595124 308222 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that was fun, zzo38 very narrowly missed the opportunity to display his tarot reading bot before they disappeared < 1345595140 633255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway, how does it feel to be OLD? < 1345595147 729542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (You're old now.) < 1345595165 867577 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 17? < 1345595168 502557 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow pig. < 1345595182 358347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I think zzo originally came here for the other esoterica but simply stayed anyway < 1345595183 537537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigs aren't yellow, soundnfury < 1345595186 529711 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pink < 1345595189 166229 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's a Thing < 1345595191 856374 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on < 1345595195 322773 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wrong thing maybe < 1345595198 373679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yellow pigs are pink? < 1345595206 521209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Monad-tutorials-chart.png < 1345595209 378273 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vinc17.org/yp17/index.en.html < 1345595212 711046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You obviously haven't read any books by Michael Spivak. :-( < 1345595240 65734 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yay, someone recognised it :-) < 1345595260 884734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf uses haskell tho < 1345595263 341772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compromises; in life" < 1345595270 900491 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that doesn't make him evil < 1345595274 934390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I read portions of a book by Michael Spivak! < 1345595286 828367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also "uses haskell" is a contradiction because haskell is uesless qed < 1345595292 945066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1345595296 462744 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that line of Stallman's: "Using vi isn't a sin, it's a penance" < 1345595347 713840 :nooga!~nooga@ip-93-154-164-145.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345595354 603043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're quoting stallman. great < 1345595356 816930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this channel < 1345595361 69741 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i evil < 1345595383 104210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust people who eat their feet, especially not when they say bad things about vi < 1345595396 517927 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard stories about that < 1345595408 421037 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds gross ! < 1345595417 774528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, emacs users are yucky < 1345595418 519342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You know what's gross? < 1345595421 645167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yellow pigs. :-( < 1345595428 714244 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1345595436 350822 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok they're not real < 1345595436 559060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Where do you live again? < 1345595436 971343 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape Meta Alt Control Shift < 1345595438 774532 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like ghosts < 1345595442 154537 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boogeymans < 1345595445 196853 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping < 1345595452 631970 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs Makes All Computers Slow < 1345595474 160371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wait, you're crazy? < 1345595479 760808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't noticed. Am I crazy too? < 1345595480 501436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how many times you press escape in emacs, you never end up in normal mode < 1345595484 291046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with the Eighty Megs acronym is that that's nothing now :) < 1345595484 436984 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we're *all* crazy here < 1345595485 764332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you're sane < 1345595486 144216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: wow these are good < 1345595493 577736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you must be getting these from the GNU Jokes Collection! < 1345595496 937738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i use vi and emacs, what does this make me < 1345595500 578552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry :( < 1345595503 822229 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A bad person. < 1345595505 635833 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: true < 1345595515 491878 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an apostate? < 1345595528 311272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eighthundred Megs and Constantly Swapping < 1345595530 802264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1345595535 753326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"updated 4 the 'gnu' generation" < 1345595544 339698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: must be some kind of multiple personality disorder < 1345595544 937336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: idgi < 1345595558 91564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a regular 17-gon now, right? < 1345595560 223671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, except they changed the name of that diagnosis < 1345595566 74065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should feel bad < 1345595575 452815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always, elliott < 1345595596 623983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that < 1345595608 627541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, istr the first part of the topic was the least boring one, you should've replaced the other parts instead < 1345595613 32148 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: although actually, eighty megs for a /text editor/ is still a bit much < 1345595641 22346 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Not if you use GDocs as your text editor 8-D < 1345595641 542783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't believe elliott is 17 < 1345595661 466443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I first joined #haskell when I was 15. :-( < 1345595662 395236 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm guessing that edits rich text? < 1345595680 142871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was young and foolish back then. Now I'm no less foolish, but also old. < 1345595680 486507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : The problem with the Eighty Megs acronym is that that's nothing now :) < 1345595683 414391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging nortti < 1345595689 320937 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Sure, but you could use it to edit plain text if you were stupid enough. < 1345595698 313533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight megagigs? < 1345595705 37953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol < 1345595721 664075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm actually 71 < 1345595730 835375 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight mobies? then it'd be constantly swapping! < 1345595739 840376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but 8 myllion is 800 million, right? < 1345595744 701949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottL more like 71 *dozen*!! < 1345595753 913584 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 800 MB is not that much either < 1345595764 580349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 myllion, though... < 1345595796 51309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I did not come here for the other esoterica, and I also do not have a tarot reading bot. However I have told them I was interested to have a tarot deck to play some card game. < 1345595798 169126 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the term "moby" needs to be revived, given how prevalent swap/virtual memory is these days < 1345595812 220094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was ... extrapolating a bit < 1345595817 568792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but then it would have outshone the glorious news! < 1345595819 243368 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe the need is being killed by 64-bit address spaces now < 1345595941 482968 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit address space: lets you address more memory and use less swap! < 1345596047 801473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically those pants could have outshone anything, anyway < 1345596094 999010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and there I remembered what that part of the old topic was < 1345596204 201825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it mean soundnfury < 1345596677 971356 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what, "moby"? < 1345596685 513747 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the size of a machine's physical RAM, < 1345596708 897075 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the machine's address space (more precisely, the maximum amount of memory a single process may address) < 1345596760 433272 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact definition gets more complicated in the face of machines with sideways addressing schemes and other weirdness < 1345596779 434564 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345596821 370550 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/moby.html < 1345596933 835086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also http://www.dourish.com/goodies/jargon.html grep /moby/, for the un-esr'd version.) < 1345596937 710643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shame that page lacks anchors) < 1345596940 293670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ability to save an image as source code sufficient to like a language's environment? < 1345596949 89999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I think that that's a good feature of newLisp < 1345597076 315693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen/heard the finished version of my rearrangement of "The Internationale" music (including percussion)? < 1345597086 195399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you explain? < 1345597102 896118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i would like to see/hear your rearrangement < 1345597106 495295 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you have against esr? < 1345597115 800159 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, let's not start another argument < 1345597152 360546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there's a function in newLisp, source, that can take the environment, all variables and objects etc., and turn it into a string that can be interpreted later to re-create the environment < 1345597193 279505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That can be useful sometimes. < 1345597208 859342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well, he's a moronic, racist far-right-winger, so there's that < 1345597229 728024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indeed. It means I could develop at the REPL and save my work < 1345597246 802588 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lolwut < 1345597247 878779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems like the perfect environment for a codenomic: The changes are all visible as source. < 1345597253 604303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more relevantly he edited the jargon file without any apparent understanding of the underlying material or its culture, so... < 1345597262 502551 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lolwut < 1345597266 360234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: These are all the files, the one "internationale.*" are the one I am mentioning. You need NES/Famicom emulator to play the music, and if you want to make some changes and recompile you need my improved version of PPMCK as well. http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38 < 1345597290 788739 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to walk away from this one < 1345597294 346061 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345597306 85233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is based on a arrangement I found on Wikipedia so this is now called a "rearrangement" instead of "arrangement", isn't it? < 1345597313 968899 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-173.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345597322 462359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'and for essentially abandoning it when it reached a point that he considered "finished". ' < 1345597323 502161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1345597326 114232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to do that < 1345597330 30650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the racism, cf. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4270 among others -- uh, I can't find the link to his Bell Curve nonsense though < 1345597344 425084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the far-right-winger part, no need to dig up links, he is vocal enough about it himself < 1345597366 471527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you doing the Stripe flag thing? < 1345597383 345793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the what < 1345597406 623040 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe I'm not going to walk away < 1345597425 140130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The capture-the-flag thing. < 1345597430 464489 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your definitions of both "racism" and "far-right-winger" are bizarre < 1345597452 774275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnite < 1345597467 640176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we actually at the point of "john derbyshire is not racist" now < 1345597468 690536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1345597473 60972 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I point those of you who have not already made up your minds here: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4278 < 1345597474 929875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really fucking stupid, btw < 1345597485 152509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like amazingly < 1345597488 953547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye <3 < 1345597489 99674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1345597508 941833 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1345597515 282405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like this music? < 1345597516 610139 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... backatcha. < 1345597522 29095 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: he's gone. < 1345597524 931723 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've all gone. < 1345597530 505510 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're back. < 1345597532 531150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like that music? < 1345597577 374640 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the rest of you also: I don't know whether john derbyshire is racist or not. However, ESR isn't. Not even slightly. < 1345597769 374786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you are not racist? < 1345597790 308429 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am racist against humans, ponies are best. < 1345597833 999913 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't prejudice my judgement of individuals by generalisations at all, let alone false ones. So no. < 1345597865 712164 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345597946 362850 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may sometimes make judgements about an individual-valued random variable based on generalisations, but to call /that/ $foo-ist is ludicrous < 1345598481 131049 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345598651 943555 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8A58C.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345600565 299337 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wait, where did you get that accidental quote from. < 1345600602 556156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't accidentally quote it, I deliberately quoted it and my "oops" was in reference to my tendency to do that < 1345600613 499192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond < 1345600801 14296 :derdon_!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345601146 461165 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1345601149 766677 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep-fried pizza? < 1345601166 542899 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, Scotland is the only country that can keep up with America in the "deep-fry everything" contest. < 1345601169 297405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I should try some < 1345601248 405786 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they have deep-fried pizza and we have deep-fried Twinkies. < 1345601261 38632 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get deep-fried Twinkies? < 1345601269 621030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are those more calories than normal Twinkies? < 1345601279 491466 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fairs, ball games... < 1345601283 618288 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. < 1345601296 337566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get some < 1345601301 429342 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a twinkie battered and deep fried. < 1345601314 363575 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ah, that article. < 1345601331 905026 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it still censor ESR's racism, I forget? < 1345601376 551312 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a guy who ostensibly hates ESR to toe the party line but thinks he's this ~superhacker~ for writing libpng.) < 1345601402 400565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I didn't read the full article < 1345601436 410889 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't really notice it anyway, he just removed the parts that actually called it racist. < 1345601493 829328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ESR's responsible for libpng? < 1345601495 877253 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE SHALL PAY < 1345601507 886666 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is libpng terrible. < 1345601513 699419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is libpng bad? < 1345601519 312045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an example of how not to do APIs. < 1345601530 335187 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, also you are hilariously stupid? < 1345601536 819665 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ahahaha. < 1345601559 576636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, what's libpng like? < 1345601568 734936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When libpng encounters an error, it expects to longjmp back to your routine. Therefore, you will need to call setjmp and pass your png_jmpbuf(png_ptr)." < 1345601574 4680 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy was all like "well who are YOU to criticise ESR's programming did you know your browser WOULDN'T RUN if he hadn't written WHOLE PARTS of libpng and libgif" < 1345601577 179556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1345601579 866623 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That much isn't too bad. < 1345601592 38888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the API documentation.
< 1345601602 87968 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's either that or returning error conditions. < 1345601621 442108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my favorite, but I'm not going to consider use of longjmp horrid. < 1345601632 918509 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the obvious implication that parsing PNGs is a terribly complex task requiring vast knowledge and skill. < 1345601651 528343 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, gzip's literally the only hard part. < 1345601656 2091 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And libpng punts that. < 1345601690 33114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/show-them-the-code < 1345601698 106982 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also, "Um, no. INTERCAL is one of the things that is ESR working in his sphere of powerful competence." < 1345601747 604348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ESR's one of those figures mostly notable for being loud. < 1345601763 592934 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, why? < 1345601764 260656 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ruined the word "hacker" < 1345601774 239864 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not singlehandedly but he's one of the culprits < 1345601778 73386 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, liking ESR for one. < 1345601788 56546 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, him and Stallman? < 1345601794 340857 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :real hackers like esr and xkcd < 1345601803 634363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Stallman talk about hackers a lot? i don't know < 1345601824 491156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esr and paul graham ruined the word "hacker" < 1345601825 270095 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sometimes; used to more than he does now. < 1345601826 831339 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably other people < 1345601863 807888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hacker/cracker/ is one of his hair-trigger things still I think. < 1345601977 10217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What y'all wanna do? / Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers / Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers? < 1345601999 874100 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I don't know what kind of people edit RationalWiki, but I don't think their aggregate qualifies as "rational" < 1345602025 651971 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a complete cesspit, but that's irrelevant. < 1345602045 268012 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly the cite alleging that he "denies the existence of dark matter" when what he's actually claiming is "'dark matter' is useless as an explanatory device" < 1345602046 400500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that this sentence seems to be a non-sequeter "The worst part of all is that he blames Alan Turing for his judicial punishment and suicide, even though Raymond, like every other computer programmer, owes Turing his career." < 1345602065 199959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find blaming Turing problematic, but not sure what the later part of the sentence has to do with it < 1345602066 85628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: It's basically 1 part rationalist and 9 parts silly. < 1345602099 597080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That... Seems utterly inconsistent with ESR. < 1345602103 775155 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 9 parts snide, normally poor humour. < 1345602119 126481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing was a genius but it seems quite a stretch to claim that nobody would be programming computers today without him < 1345602123 129881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and a few parts irrational of course. < 1345602129 263231 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An LWian would immediately recognise that argument; "dark matter" is a semantic stopsign < 1345602130 716485 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of other people were working on similar problems at the same time < 1345602140 510026 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the internal politics are astonishingly venomous. < 1345602155 155351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact most of Turing's practical engineering work remained classified for decades < 1345602175 337642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, didn't Church resolve the halting problem before him anyway? < 1345602181 148237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure who was first < 1345602190 353428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that the substantial results on the LC came before Turing's work. < 1345602191 500898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, even if computers could only exist because of him, that still doesn't mean he's perfect and unflawed. It seems unreasonable to say that his work makes him uncriticisable. < 1345602201 236883 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: How much overlap does RW have with LW anyways? < 1345602208 892332 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Actually, I'm going with "very little". < 1345602214 506063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that too < 1345602217 416391 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, mutual contempt. < 1345602221 81483 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I presume very little < 1345602224 885069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1345602231 190469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church beat him to the Entscheidungsproblem, anyway < 1345602239 287238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both claim to be rational, and... LW seems to try? < 1345602241 468017 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that was a golden age for esolang designers < 1345602250 519412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when designing an esolang could get you a Ph.D < 1345602257 914111 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, LW does more than just call itself rational < 1345602270 242243 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LW doesn't really care and when RW brings it up it's normally negative. < 1345602298 467689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at RW on LW
< 1345602304 843890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's RW and LW? < 1345602312 450607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RationalWiki and LessWrong < 1345602314 581344 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Rational Wiki, LessWrong < 1345602326 853105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't normally abbreviate, but the context of the discussion made it unambiguous. < 1345602337 961420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-write and laser walrus < 1345602343 596865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course they'd be the same if we were in China. < 1345602367 732881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: s/China/Japan/ < 1345602377 614108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't RationalWiki supposed to be a more or less direct response to Conservapedia < 1345602379 472875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese languages, from what I understand, have different phonemes. < 1345602382 864911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore completely doomed < 1345602396 994825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seems to be a buttload less formal. < 1345602406 991083 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like TVTropes in tone. < 1345602415 487515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure whether Conservapedia is satire. < 1345602439 354473 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes, although CP was dying a slow but steady death when I stopped caring. < 1345602439 501618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. http://www.conservapedia.com/E%3Dmc%C2%B2 < 1345602441 239317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least undetected trolling likely is < 1345602459 249725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the thing about CP is that most of the authors are trolls. < 1345602472 588287 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm pretty sure it's one or two serious people surrounded by trolls. < 1345602481 738781 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As indeed were most of the admins at one point. < 1345602499 309609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page was created by the founder, though. < 1345602529 159664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia's problem with the theory of relativity seems to be that it has a word in it that's also in "moral relativity" < 1345602534 823397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For more than a century, the claim that E=mc² has never yielded anything of value." wow that does feel awful Poe-y. < 1345602535 485772 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345602554 875860 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a common way that scientific discoveries are made. But, as stated above, this is not how E=mc² was discovered. But it could have been. But in the event, it wasn't." is blatant parody. < 1345602561 344521 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Preaching "rationalism" as if it's a religion substitute." as a trait of a LWian? < 1345602566 937852 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1345602581 270273 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also relativity conflicts with quantum < 1345602583 850254 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it's been edited by other people though. < 1345602584 521641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quantum proves god exists < 1345602605 618751 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schlafly does have a really dumb hatred of relativity though. < 1345602628 557930 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how you could read the sequences and have religious devotion to anything. Yudkowsky in particular. < 1345602648 545154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LW is *such* a phyg, man! < 1345602656 290092 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You'll be unsurprised to know that many in the LessWrong community self-diagnose themselves as being on the Asperger's/autism spectrum. They do all this because they are bad at human interaction." < 1345602657 815252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, come on. They use the word "phyg". < 1345602687 982351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many white male STEM majors with self-diagnosed aspergers does it take to screw in a lightbulb < 1345602692 163360 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. Um. What the fuck and where did that unsubstantiated attempt at ad hominem come from? < 1345602722 11689 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-249.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345602772 966371 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, FWIW the guy largely behind that article is the same one who loves ESR. < 1345602773 150092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2300/fc02232.png < 1345602781 806729 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RW says: "That's about 300,000-450,000 words for [the core sequences]... For comparison, the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is 473,000 words... 'Read the sequences' is equivalent to 'fuck you'" < 1345602828 734576 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think that if you tried to post on a forum about Tolkien without having read LotR they'd say "Read LotR" < 1345602867 415510 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to join a discussion community, it's reasonable to expect that you're familiar with at least the basics of the thing being discussed < 1345602869 352275 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Yudkowsky would have to be fucking amazing at cults-of-personality to be running one at LW. < 1345602882 653852 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quick glance suggests he doesn't post there. < 1345602885 30159 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many sequences do i have to read before my thetans are gone < 1345602895 691361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH you can skip most of those words and still have a near-total knowledge of LotR. < 1345602923 941749 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can watch the films < 1345602941 428332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just wouldn't know the exact tree that Legolas stood next to when he pulled arrows out of Grishnakh the orc. < 1345602948 519227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to use LodePNG instead of libpng < 1345602997 657485 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes zzo, but you also believe that LaTeX is a bloated mess. < 1345603025 7312 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To be fair, it is a mess. < 1345603038 368922 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just code to convert a png file into a bitmap data structure right? < 1345603050 488769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitmap being the vague term here < 1345603052 627360 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: And vice versa. < 1345603063 786950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1345603070 482061 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it'll do the inverse and some more odds and ends, but yes. < 1345603140 959753 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, lodepng seems to be much nicer. < 1345603164 244562 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple usage is simple, advanced usage is still simpler than libpng. < 1345603294 482433 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the gzip stuff in it seems to be written by him too. < 1345603749 547097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : particularly the cite alleging that he "denies the existence of dark matter" when what he's actually claiming is "'dark matter' is useless as an explanatory device" < 1345603753 965525 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because it's black < 1345604772 525195 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1345604891 742758 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345604904 213160 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345604909 541381 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it's because it doesn't make any predictions < 1345604922 242954 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, in a case of unfortunate terminology, a black box < 1345605087 586204 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say it's the black sheep of theories < 1345605089 279517 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real black swan < 1345605090 161341 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it actually took me three minutes to realise that that was a racism joke < 1345605169 239940 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doubt this will now be used as evidence that I am somehow racist too. Of course, immediately seeing it would also have been evidence < 1345605209 88397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your definition of racist i think < 1345605212 962542 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the kind of people who bandy allegations of racism at people who are obviously /not/ Klansmen tend not to be too worried about niggling little things like Bayes' Theorem < 1345605218 34567 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: what horrible persecution you suffer < 1345605258 242195 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: non sequitur cabbage < 1345605286 886650 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I find it strange you immediately went to "evidence that I am somehow racist". < 1345605318 923106 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and claiming that the KKK is the only sort of racism is a ridiculous false dichotomy < 1345605338 851278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racism refers also to pervasive social attitudes held subconsciously by more or less well-meaning people < 1345605377 93668 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if your trouble spending good times with people of another race is due to segregation or self-diagnosed autism, or fearing reverse-racism then you're not a bad person either way < 1345605385 956819 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i agree with pikhq < 1345605391 864373 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is strange that you went there < 1345605415 288824 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, but it's silly to accuse an individual of the "pervasive subconscious attitudes" type of racism < 1345605423 776095 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all < 1345605424 586419 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I went there mainly for the humour < 1345605430 953131 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, hilarious joke soundnfury < 1345605434 153987 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The humor fell remarkably flat. < 1345605443 672601 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you go back to awkwardly working your hatred of haskell into every discussion < 1345605446 673337 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was much better < 1345605457 195069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1345605462 59094 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of a swan and more of a black elephant on the table? < 1345605462 716341 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came across as a "thou doth protest too much" type situation. < 1345605482 691810 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Okay. "The only good thing about Haskell is that it isn't racist." < 1345605488 19625 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1345605498 444119 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, with all that talk of "purity" < 1345605508 946809 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's named for a white man; what could be more racist? < 1345605518 974286 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess because, anyone who'll accuse /ESR/ of racism clearly has loose epistemic standards as to what constitutes racism. < 1345605519 135186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not to mention the System.Process bug you found! < 1345605521 642517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was totally racist. < 1345605530 313014 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is it named for a Dead White Male? < 1345605542 473283 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the esr thing.. < 1345605544 311943 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Well, Haskell Curry is dead, white, and male. So, yes. < 1345605557 82942 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I didn't know whether curry was dead < 1345605565 372582 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died in '82 at the age of 82. < 1345605589 225599 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played < 1345605649 249304 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read " is that because it's black" as "is that because he's black" < 1345605665 226033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for a second < 1345605860 237898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-175.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345605885 357134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my very old laundry smells real freaking bad < 1345605976 617673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1345606063 284283 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-253-16.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345606104 596834 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :astounding < 1345606109 728960 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345606166 770851 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345609525 705539 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345609612 614015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-227-175.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345610814 803928 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1345610907 432528 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345612161 979366 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345613743 210122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was briefly convinced that newLisp had fixed image-based development < 1345613827 303871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it occurs to me that saving out stuff doesn't necessarily imply that the output is in an ideal fashion to be modified < 1345613852 220062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be formatted differently, I don't know what happens to comments, etc. etc. < 1345613862 230192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using the saved result as the source code may be less than ideal < 1345613880 28900 :lexande!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Curry died at the age of 81 < 1345613971 790215 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-147-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande: Balls. < 1345614830 193663 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345615571 132686 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345616376 686672 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345616455 225464 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345616457 138092 :asie_!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345616467 664877 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1345616473 646171 :asie_!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl NICK :asieNetbook < 1345617090 977909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real time clock in my computer is slow < 1345617127 814032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to fix or replace that component? < 1345617491 135961 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1345617497 651824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make two seven-letter words rhyming for "OFFICIAL'S LYMPHOID TISSUES IN THROAT" < 1345618183 536447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like "hold second one as you hold a pencil"? < 1345618290 178056 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345618486 817157 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my advice is just don't worry about the clock unless it's very slow < 1345618522 685383 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to be very slow. I set it a few months ago and today it was ten minutes behind until I fixed the time < 1345618575 725121 :soundnfury!~edward@109.176.207.75 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Can this not be fixed with NTP? < 1345618692 249254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it can but I would rather fix my computer. < 1345619356 934482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It strikes me that using clojure stuff from the Java side probably feels like using very poorly designed code, due to using one Java class for data in general < 1345619365 136816 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, that's what it would likely feel like) < 1345619641 804731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might just try relaxing with Clojure < 1345619670 990505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's not just a battery issue like a slow RTC often is? < 1345619690 151453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a large community, it's a not too terribly hated Lisp, it's main problem from my perspective is probably the slowness of the JVM, and is that really a big deal? < 1345619794 906416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also more functional than CL < 1345619828 300147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the JVM gives it some impurities though < 1345619836 988312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how necessary are protocols when you have multimethods? < 1345619969 735389 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345620729 381786 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345620731 434125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably possible, but any sane person would murder you < 1345620742 638373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To something I said in #clojure ) < 1345620743 24139 :asieNetbook!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1345620844 188162 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345623423 260013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345624069 874742 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345624296 757924 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345624772 552761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol at everything soundnfury said about haskell < 1345624803 748793 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345624830 771110 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345624973 902606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately Haskell is just another functional language < 1345625073 630484 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is more than a programming language < 1345625094 890909 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is life itself < 1345625126 158873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think life would be a Lisp dialect < 1345625234 665601 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should point out i am a troll who doesn't know haskell < 1345625487 825087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStrLn "Learn Haskell!" >> main < 1345625534 758758 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.37.21 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345625610 177249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good_idea) not < 1345625614 581228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345625626 252538 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im joking.. but its just something i had on my mind < 1345625871 524779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | come to think of it, he was last year too, and the previous. but not the next | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | With creativity, anything can be a topic | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1345625955 612113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the RTC will be soldered somewhere on your motherboard < 1345625971 663077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'd be easy to buy a new one < 1345625977 789160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, breaking news: technology website publishes article about large corporation being investigated for IT patent infringement < 1345626013 199397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more breaking news: politician implicated in corruption, hypocrisy < 1345626023 39276 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT patents are a joke < 1345626026 326758 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A joke I say < 1345626061 964567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gallows humor < 1345626112 134906 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Pop singer breaks up with movie actress! < 1345626429 8758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Globe still warming. < 1345626505 242853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaking news: Exiting a loop halfway through. < 1345626513 629389 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345626834 236024 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345626987 255033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually incredible to me in hindsight how many patents can be created < 1345627019 988230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no I'm not < 1345627021 750521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1345627024 712887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending messages over a number of computers connected together < 1345627025 750551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i think about all the manmade objects in my house, and i just don't see 10s of 1000s of patents < 1345627142 206417 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't enough RPN-like languages < 1345627155 989643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly PN < 1345627196 429652 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPNised Lisp would have no ()s at all < 1345627249 540509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be harder to read though < 1345627258 724004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, have you ever played with Factor? < 1345627261 581999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd still do indentation for that < 1345627265 125309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly it's not a Lisp < 1345627276 863421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't < 1345627332 766349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks cool < 1345627448 126415 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345627833 448528 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: boost::spirit doesn't to work with C++ 11 lambdas < 1345627863 504278 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I can convert them to a function object? That should work. < 1345627991 72047 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since it already is a function object < 1345627995 433750 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the actual problem < 1345628278 301553 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i don't like about patent battles is that the essential disputes in each case could be sufficiently abstracted and simplified that orangutans could stand in for the lawyers < 1345628287 376579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe they possess the necessary reasoning skills < 1345628429 544206 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the commentary would be approximately the same too < 1345628460 438908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there be flinging of feces? < 1345628491 826717 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billy and Tommy continue to butt heads over patents and the licensing of each others' technologies. < 1345628565 869217 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two orangutans are not friends, but Billy wants to be, months after the zookeeper acquired the orangutan -- as well as its patent troubles. < 1345628578 972158 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345628595 595063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke the analogy there though < 1345628642 932002 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1345628669 442899 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: suffice to say that under experimental conditions, monkeys can experience executive stress and also get upset if someone is cheating < 1345628689 558682 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know exactly how true that is, but it's enough to argue patents < 1345628745 493119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you completely ignore the spirit of the patent, and see it as an abstract entity whose value is measured by the damage it can do to others < 1345628764 174066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We claim that Orangusoft has violated our patent on the upper hand fling." < 1345628794 527783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orangusoft claims prior art < 1345628844 838095 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds Greater Bronze Patent Collection.
< 1345628900 223092 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has encountered a kobold weak against Wifi Patents.
< 1345628907 340838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am sorry but previous to Orangusoft's patent the upper hand fling was only used for _hard_ feces. Our patent pertains to overcoming to obstacles of using _soft_ feces. Thus our company name, of course." < 1345628916 297094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1345628993 888603 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION taps his Wifi Patent Card.
< 1345629101 103364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you actually look at Orangusoft's patent, you'll notice that your company violates claims 3 and 4, which detail the use of trained chimpanzees to throw the feces rather than doing it manually." < 1345629118 41912 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my outburst is just that i am in a mood in real life.. i'll try watching some tv < 1345629407 636282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am sorry but this is preposterous. Our company uses bonobos, an entirely different species." < 1345629719 961879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Claim 5 covers the use of any ape as a replacement for the chimpanzees < 1345630121 538189 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1345630161 773131 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345630402 370176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345630708 994084 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345630749 281606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello i will like to join you guys because im a big fan and i think it will be fun tell about all scp i see in real life < 1345630749 878187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1345631026 964742 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1345631201 855060 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345631858 315619 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345631921 29730 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1345632079 838415 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345632111 177051 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345632184 758058 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345633025 242081 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345633077 954417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345633112 148348 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 16 percent of papers in the leading CA conference are ours this year. such a popular field :D < 1345633140 382663 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's two conferences in one because both were so small. < 1345633164 666960 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's up < 1345633209 18115 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :great topic < 1345633575 70090 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345633617 830555 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1345634032 170912 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1345634382 438258 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:34 < kmc> paging nortti // What? < 1345634577 578115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Gregor commented that the problem with the "EMACS -> Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping" expansion is that 80 megs is "nothing" now. < 1345634589 436652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I think kmc was hoping you'd disagree. < 1345634605 497023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the acronym was "eight" when I heard it.) < 1345634605 912976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti would, yes. < 1345634608 75829 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 megs it _much_ < 1345634609 396073 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nortti is nutty. < 1345634633 795348 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a lot < 1345634649 374524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: may contain nuts. < 1345634655 90148 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1345634815 136180 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion even a _single_ bit is quite a bit of memory. < 1345634856 768379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every biiiiiiit is preeeeeecious! < 1345634861 361886 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every biiiiiiit is gooooooood! < 1345635079 539827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoh, the DS apparently has a memory-mapped hardware div/rem (64-bit in/out) and sqrt (64-to-32) things. Fancy. < 1345635144 135689 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345635951 987682 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1345636345 965536 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345636476 463444 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-153-105.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1345636661 126713 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345636831 733930 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345636850 209127 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.129.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345637784 923698 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345637846 980104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where do babies come from? Well, when a man and a woman love each other very much [REDACTED] and then the mommy says 'Oooh, I've never seen one so big!' [REDACTED] seven dwarves, but not those seven dwarves, that'd be silly, [REDACTED] which is the exact moment your uncle Steve comes out from behind the camera [REDACTED] 17 monkeys, three camels, and a VERY frisky otter [REDACTED] which kind of makes sense, considering your hair color [REDAC < 1345637847 168878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TED] dirty, dirty, dirty whore [REDACTED] "It'll never fit!" [REDACTED] and then, nine months later, with your mother cussing the entire time, and plotting your eventual devise, bam, a baby is adopted from an Asian country by two happy lesbians." < 1345637870 444459 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345637992 525944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1345638084 755473 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is JVM actually that slow? i mean, what are you going on here < 1345638146 758543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott saying he wouldn't use an esolang implementation written in Clojure affected me to perhaps an extreme degree < 1345638738 704412 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Babies are made in China? < 1345638813 894536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So you write the two values to memory and read back the result? < 1345638820 35004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1345639289 911943 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1345639819 785189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_triggered_architecture < 1345640165 757106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes. And then there's a mode/status reg that can be asked for if it's busy or what. < 1345641259 991290 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345643065 490558 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by PO < 1345643754 331306 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.129.94 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1345644289 84932 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Sun/Oracle JVM is one of the faster implementations of any managed language < 1345644294 433558 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shootout agrees fwiw < 1345644295 143434 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programming-languages-are-fastest.php < 1345644375 233714 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have LuaJIT :/ < 1345644595 990878 :c0rt3x!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1345644597 788494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people have been paid real money (not just Monopoly dollars) to worry about the efficiency of that JVM, it ought to have done something. < 1345644604 435728 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345644609 59716 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of people over decades < 1345644828 439447 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1345645237 115395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you see the machine doing something with dazzling speed, it's probably the built-in machine language doing it." < 1345645262 258197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Random youtube clicking took me to a two-hour C64 introduction video.) < 1345645456 209282 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345645843 609733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345646006 563167 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345646686 308685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finally got around to watching _The Social NetworK_ < 1345647162 961265 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1345647205 826127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't have to < 1345647249 915040 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Commodore 64 isn't that complicated < 1345647797 216665 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the term built in machine language < 1345648316 222491 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345648564 733981 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345648969 252278 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345649224 12901 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345649244 736014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345649453 888820 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345650300 393175 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345650428 555692 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Suggesting it could be not built in? < 1345650461 142578 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually this is the first time ive heard it but yes the comedy is there on many levels < 1345650505 880121 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the degree to which machine language is "built in" varies widely < 1345650522 778212 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example operating systems will emulate instructions which are not implemented by your particular processor < 1345650623 224833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The processor might have separate microcode to define what instructions there are < 1345650647 496998 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and microcode can sometimes be re-flashed < 1345650663 502251 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefall, basically kmc has got my back to protect me from saying things which aren't true < 1345650666 150968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N64 had changeable microcode for the graphics < 1345650686 751710 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i could never accomplish such a feat < 1345650697 533589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most developers didn't make use of it < 1345650703 355929 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could do some great things with it < 1345650718 10306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most emulators won't emulate it though < 1345650724 741169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could you do? < 1345650738 540791 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulation is so bad ass < 1345650754 737636 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all the drawbacks of reality too < 1345650784 717275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being clever, you could create graphics that would outdo the Playstation < 1345650793 497422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 have you used the debian/ubuntu magic qemulated chroots < 1345650795 503385 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like trying to play videogames in hell (not that i believe in hell in that sense) < 1345650820 852786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty slick < 1345650823 118975 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like.. ok the graphics look perfect.. the framerate is fine... but.. oh no.. i just tried to save and the emulator died < 1345650830 797794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no you're just talking about video games < 1345650835 569536 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse you.... foul... demon! < 1345650854 120302 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i always live in the shadows of the wonderful things < 1345650874 260599 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg.. in programming languages i cant see beyond c++ and visual basic < 1345650885 161308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C++ is fascinating! < 1345650887 699595 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in math i can't see beyond middleschool math homework < 1345650892 392642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a big ball of mud < 1345650897 26165 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not actually < 1345650903 45875 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in emulation i can't see past video games < 1345650925 969888 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N64 graphics chip allowed you to reprogram basically everything about it < 1345650931 647638 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345650933 679066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a bad language, but it's bad in almost the opposite way of most bad languages < 1345650938 327585 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i enjoy knowing theres more to things than i am aware of < 1345650956 923778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is bad because it is a whole load of good elements mixed together < 1345650962 954896 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really know it < 1345650970 695588 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in *theory*, all the C++ features fit together perfectly to form something that's powerful, conceptually consistent, elegant, and very unusual < 1345650975 696392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most bad languages are just a whole load of bad elements < 1345650978 658636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really learn the language well, you start to see that < 1345650984 345098 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. so its kind of the communism of programming languages? < 1345650994 801595 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in *practice*, this amazing edifice they've built just kinda sucks for getting anything done < 1345651006 171825 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like PHP where idiots have just been adding features willy nilly < 1345651013 766094 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ designers put a *lot* of thought in < 1345651021 136260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice most people aren't smart enough to make full use of C++ < 1345651021 543739 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345651034 983792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smart enough, and/or don't have years of their life to waste on learning it < 1345651047 88017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too < 1345651052 246372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of similarities between C++ and Haskell < 1345651060 226169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with respect to the above < 1345651062 456877 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. c++ isn't good for people who read language standards < 1345651076 760137 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its apparently too big < 1345651111 693329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so real world projects end up using haphazardly chosen subsets of C++ < 1345651128 143561 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345651128 295213 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people approach it as "C with stuff grafted on" < 1345651154 617159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell seems simpler than C++ to me < 1345651156 834650 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is a lot *less* elegant than what C++ was intended to be < 1345651163 445302 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe also better for getting stuff done < 1345651164 787410 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall theres some test suite for C which has the name 9000 in it's name < 1345651219 541865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ would be better if it didn't start out with a C base, but it also would be less popular < 1345651235 728447 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1345651261 463133 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah < 1345651271 109575 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the avoidable ugliness is syntactic ugliness relating to that choice < 1345651292 113525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could have just specified an interface to C without making it take over the language < 1345651300 176680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every other popular language has a way to call C < 1345651314 879695 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i recall now < 1345651322 807692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fruit fucker 9000 < 1345651326 747659 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something to do with undefined behavior < 1345651354 669960 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh death station 9000 < 1345651389 626469 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the existence of such things suggests that people have a grip on C < 1345651456 567396 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if theres elements in truth in what im saying, i should stop. i know im bullshitting < 1345651463 658854 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it < 1345651558 629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I understand, you can only use $ with functions that take multiple arguments if the whole thing is in brackets or if the $ is before the last argument? < 1345651595 792865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So atan2 $ something something won't work < 1345651610 400206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, talking about Haskell < 1345651677 504778 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ($)’s fixity was fixed (no pun inteded) one could use atan2 $ a $ b. Well, using $ with atan2 is horrible, but it would be useful in longer expressions where the parameters are on separate lines. < 1345651683 7431 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan2 $ negate 3 < 1345651684 504166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1345651684 668103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1345651688 789820 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it lambdabot < 1345651693 749033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :die in a fire and burn in hell < 1345651772 214261 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> atan2 3 $ negate 3 < 1345651773 76554 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: every function takes exactly one argument < 1345651773 417121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.356194490192345 < 1345651781 368162 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no "functions that take multiple arguments" < 1345651793 888145 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule you stated seems messy, it's better to focus on what's actually going on i think < 1345651814 171454 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one small program i wrote once, i found that trying to use c++ as oop gave me good results < 1345651817 436689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm thinking, if you do atan2 $ something, you create a function < 1345651823 403384 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = subtract $ negate 3 in f 4 < 1345651824 760620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1345651840 886798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't call it with your next argument without () or using let like you did < 1345651842 784236 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t atan2 $ ?x < 1345651844 157636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (RealFloat a, ?x::a) => a -> a < 1345651869 71665 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ($) = (Prelude.$); infixl 0 $ in atan2 $ 4 $ 5 < 1345651869 614883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a true fact FreeFull < 1345651870 327117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.6747409422235527 < 1345651882 348345 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well there are some other ways to name something, besides let) < 1345651882 494438 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people who are highly experienced at coding, like having their 10,000 hours, can just read code easily < 1345651897 515783 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: what an outrageous claim < 1345651929 931092 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin . atan2 3 $ 3 < 1345651933 91609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.7071067811865475 < 1345651933 909122 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that reading code and seeing what it is doing is incredibly difficult < 1345651953 575793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: Depends on how it was coded < 1345651967 121298 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the most novice level, sure i can read the identifiers and infer from them what the code is doing < 1345651986 872115 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, relying on identifiers is surely bad < 1345651996 184528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you see puts("Hello, World!"); < 1345651999 593690 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel i rely on identifiers < 1345652005 792979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can identify what that does quickly, right? < 1345652016 305600 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345652062 28125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about show 'H':'e':'l':'l':'o':[] < 1345652117 210510 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am relying on the alphabetical characters to tell me what is happening which is.... showHello < 1345652139 668931 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess.. i am not quite that desperate.. i know 'x' is a character < 1345652151 23015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you see something like A385BB35 < 1345652168 368772 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you going to know what it does without understanding what the identifiers mean < 1345652193 776370 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A3 could be add, subtract, or even pop from stack < 1345652259 439126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always about using your current knowledge, and if you don't know enough, learning more < 1345652340 618880 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats the fun thing about esolangs < 1345652345 760539 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they rarely have identifiers < 1345652365 2053 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@dialin-212-144-082-054.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345652380 743566 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among all the other fun things about esolangs < 1345652397 403152 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you encounter something which has nothing to do with anything you learned before, no amount of being super awesome will help, you just have to look at the documentation < 1345652438 204994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or look at the code < 1345652456 976750 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: they rarely have identifiers because almost all of them are brainfuck clones < 1345652459 884317 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1345652517 44048 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck clones or a stack-based language < 1345652538 444923 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "stack based" is a wide category < 1345652544 953748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funges are technically stack-based < 1345652548 503319 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1345652555 630767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly not your usual language < 1345652558 997347 :c0rt3x!~c0rt3x@p579E83B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1345652568 937963 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't that many lisp clones when I think about it < 1345652581 137440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tend to be called lisp dialects < 1345652587 121237 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you make an eso-lisp? < 1345652594 445691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are a few on the wiki < 1345652599 553625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would get rid of all the () < 1345652605 973762 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got a psp and a ds recently... and homebrewing hardware.. and at some point i thought wow this is really cool.. emulation really has a lot of effects < 1345652623 68652 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it always seems to have drawbacks.. it's never quite there < 1345652624 571055 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: good luck using if with that < 1345652631 205024 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried) < 1345652654 515995 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its always a work in progress project waiting to curl up and die < 1345652655 336800 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Lisp uses prefix syntax anyway < 1345652674 344549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only issue is where you can have an arbitrary amount of parameters, or possibly with macros < 1345652683 398827 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes but how you know how many params function needs? < 1345652686 572218 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new hardware and new hacks get released and suddenly its wasteful to fix a broken emulator < 1345652801 506984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: If it's something like + or *, it can have an arbitrary number of parameters, so you could either restrict them to 2 parameters or have the first parameters be the number of parameters afterwards < 1345652823 392132 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most functions have a fixed number of parameters < 1345652849 21371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with a lambda you know how many parameters there are too, since that gets specified < 1345652877 372038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1345652886 721756 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345652937 954600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example lambda would be lambda list 3 'x 'y 'z * x * y z < 1345652947 446645 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lambda here expects two parameters < 1345652999 743983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And produces a function which expects three parameters < 1345653013 863883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda list 3 'x 'y 'z * x * y z 1 2 3 should print 6 < 1345653024 340235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it's not very readable though < 1345653044 11487 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always split stuff into smaller chunks though < 1345653085 793275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :defun multiply3 qlist 3 x y z * x * y z; multiply3 1 2 3 < 1345653091 177315 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345653112 870768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SRFI that adds "I-expressions", an indentation-based way of writing S-expressions. You can also mix-n-match. Though I think it was withdrawn, maybe. < 1345653139 285138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wasn't. < 1345653141 729977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway. < 1345653143 197799 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a preprocessor that converts (x y z) into list 3 x y z and '(x y z) into qlist 3 x y z < 1345653171 315325 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do I write (foo (bar)(baz)) in I-expressions < 1345653329 285628 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in scheme you can make a lambda which takes an arbitrary number of arguments < 1345653353 390981 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to restrict / change that ability as well < 1345653383 324271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "foo\n group bar\n group baz" I think. There's a special "group" symbol to support lists whose first element is a list. Plain "foo\n bar\n baz" would have been (foo bar baz). < 1345653396 437165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You'd need to have the caller pass in the number of arguments < 1345653508 62203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, apparently in lisp (*) is equivalent to 1 and (+) to 0 < 1345653521 211059 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1345653537 152596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could get rid of digits altogether < 1345653575 382201 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And create all numbers using (*) (/) (+) (-) < 1345653598 991278 :nortti!nortti@smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1345653608 479197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme, too. And (- x) is (- 0 x), while (/ x) is (/ 1 x). But the >2-argument extensions of - and / are optional. < 1345653634 836085 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345653675 454875 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1345653705 905381 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Haskell have a way to produce a number without using any digits? < 1345653735 63938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "!!!" < 1345653736 523469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1345653738 628637 :c0rt3x2!~c0rt3x@dialin-212-144-082-054.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1345653741 531468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works < 1345653743 595050 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Integer < 1345653744 632698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Enum.Bounded GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1345653744 800606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from... < 1345653749 241301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Int -- duh < 1345653750 387949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9223372036854775807 < 1345653755 453861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Lisp (*) (+) just multiply and add any number of arguments? If so then it makes sense that (*) would be 1 and (+) would be zero < 1345653758 799561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about without using lists either? < 1345653761 673751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1345653798 824325 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you use maxBound to produce numbers smaller than maxBound itself? < 1345653806 224167 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromEnum 'a' < 1345653806 697368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's quite a few different maxBounds. < 1345653807 430943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 97 < 1345653813 754848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know < 1345653817 709774 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divide it by itself < 1345653820 846331 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> minBound :: Word8 < 1345653821 875603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1345653843 975475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ . minBound :: Word8 < 1345653845 145033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Word.Word8' < 1345653845 325814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1345653847 911948 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ minBound :: Word8 < 1345653849 103952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1345653864 953122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [fromEnum False, fromEnum True] < 1345653866 465886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1] < 1345653876 935978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are quite easy 0 and 1 there. < 1345653893 588545 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound :: Int) `div` (maxBound :: Int) < 1345653894 936917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1345653905 278329 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :succ works too < 1345653910 765541 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join div maxBound < 1345653912 311568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1345653912 513287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Enum.Bounded a' < 1345653912 659359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1345653914 891282 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join div maxBound :: Int < 1345653916 127021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1345653944 473743 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (join (-) . join div) maxBound :: Int < 1345653946 710873 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1345653950 847504 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is join part of? < 1345653962 773908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type join < 1345653964 86937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a < 1345653976 54585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of Control.Monad if you mean where it's from. < 1345653976 200543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :where m ~ ((->) r) < 1345653992 363953 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I meant < 1345654076 307406 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-89.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345654138 81701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sum [], product []) < 1345654139 473959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,1) < 1345654883 562853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but that uses lists =P < 1345655235 193578 :asiekierka!~asie@078088168088.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1345655554 652456 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345655558 107728 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Changing host < 1345655558 253852 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:ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345657708 942728 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1345657762 198994 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that netsplit made me learn something interesting: I'm on IPv6. < 1345657804 388485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not known that before? < 1345657890 935768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how did the netsplit suddenly reveal it? < 1345657892 403357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a computer's optical drive be sound-proofed? < 1345657900 306830 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it never dawned on me before. I usually connect to IRC in the morning before I had any coffee, so details like that tend to go unnoticed. < 1345657936 929886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because weechat shows the user@ip of persons that join/part. < 1345657939 542428 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1345657948 398816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: --> | cuttlefish (~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765) a rejoint #esoteric < 1345658009 863644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it was someone "else's" rejoining. < 1345658039 608783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am the champion of the BBS boxing game < 1345658076 892691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was 11th and am now champion) < 1345658087 449343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a prize? < 1345658135 698500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1345658173 573919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the (now defunct) BBS system of a Finnish computer magazine, there was a "60 minutes per day" time limit, but you could win extra minutes in some of the games. (Though not in the "regular" games like LORD, I don't think; there was some lottery-like thing though where you could "pay" with minutes, and win minutes.) < 1345658176 96439 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go zzo38 < 1345658200 859519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is X-BIT and it was defunct and one time but now it is back on. < 1345658236 569650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was also a "time bank" that went up to... 240 minutes, maybe? Officially for long downloads. Can't get much more than a megabyte in an hour, after all.) < 1345658248 163492 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345658280 356029 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345658428 180879 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345658455 667180 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345658669 80473 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE8BC7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345658892 610095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to download something you could use FTP; Synchronet does support a lot of protocols (Telnet, SSH, rlogin, FTP, HTTP, gopher, IRC, NNTP, SMTP, POP3, ...) < 1345659017 98516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer magazine did make the file archives available over... at least HTTP and I think FTP too, later, when the Internet really came along. (They also offered a dial-up Internet connection, IIRC.) < 1345659129 940691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Stripe web security CTF thingy starts at the end of the hour < 1345659140 600928 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're in one of those weird non-integral-GMT-offset timezones) < 1345659147 500468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stripe.com/blog < 1345659196 133701 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MBnet!? < 1345659203 21524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Sure. < 1345659223 105464 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used it exactly once < 1345659238 788336 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had telnet access in the later years, right? < 1345659246 495801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did, yes. < 1345659253 82026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SModem-based "chat and download at the same thing" was, like, so futuristic. < 1345659261 510504 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I borrowed the user ID off a library copy of the magazine. < 1345659261 730434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SModem itself is a Finnish invention, I think. < 1345659313 161978 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's pretty trivial to do if you just come up with a simple protocol on top of the raw teletype data < 1345659327 797930 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345659331 465260 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it took so long to invent says something about the laziness of BBS people. < 1345659334 759927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but ZModem and the rest didn't do it. < 1345659337 874692 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or reluctance to change < 1345659355 694766 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659366 928498 :SimonRC!~sc@217.155.91.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659400 979848 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1345659401 125854 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uzfyzqsasxbpvrim JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659415 937878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not completely trivial; at least ZModem isn't, I don't know about SModem. (There's a TCP-like sliding window ack thing and such.) < 1345659426 186911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet is the main protocol to access any modern Synchronet BBS, although there are other protocols too which may be enabled/disabled on some BBS. (Telnet can also be disabled although that would seem pretty useless.) < 1345659467 898549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now we have internet, so you don't need that SModem if you can just make multiple connections, one to Telnet and one to FTP, or something like that < 1345659485 785743 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659602 35355 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :T R I V I A L < 1345659662 292827 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-89.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1345659741 201392 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659749 296177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever happened to the word "easy", anyway < 1345659757 461853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too easy. < 1345659765 756895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it too short for some people? < 1345659771 984504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially long people? < 1345659776 517257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like < 1345659902 698275 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345659979 263350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried in Haskell to make something like the Free monad but specify a monad transformer instead of a functor, so you could have (TransFree Codensity) and so on; (TransFree (ReaderT x)) seem to be similar like (Free ((->) x)) I think but some are different. What would you think of it? < 1345660067 109031 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-157-125.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1345660224 900146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TransFree t x = TransPure x | TransFree (t (TransFree t) x); join (TransFree x) = TransFree (x >>= lift); < 1345660273 655710 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1345660293 327586 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345660332 479798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data TransCofree t x = TransCofree x (t (TransCofree t) x); duplicate (TransCofree x y) = TransCofree (TransCofree x y) (y =>> lower); < 1345660639 747396 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1345660804 448950 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1345660831 542667 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1345661347 722703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think trivial and easy mean different things ... something can be trivial but require loads of work, for instance < 1345661388 394496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trivial is nicer because it points out how stupid someone is for not knowing that something is trivial < 1345661396 167943 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1345661401 758855 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it's become just a douchebag version of "easy" < 1345661421 613636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't like it when people describe conceptually simple but difficult-to-do things as "trivial" < 1345661453 353468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think "trivial" should mean "so incredibly simple that there isn't anything to say about it at all" < 1345661467 5730 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when people say "trivial 100-line script" or "trivial one day project" it sounds like an absurd contradiction < 1345661471 463080 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who am i to say what words should mean < 1345661509 13909 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be happy with the description of many programming tasks as "mathematically trivial" but that does not make them trivial to implement :) < 1345661545 878627 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting psyched for this CTF < 1345661580 237409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally only use "trivial" when talking about mathematics, using in the way it is used in mathematics < 1345661591 460270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as a "trivial ring" or whatever < 1345661644 445536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words just because something is easy does not necessarily make it trivial, and vice versa < 1345661910 721817 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1345662084 659602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Looks like step 1 of the CTF is to DDoS their website. :-( < 1345662112 458836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, or maybe my connection was just being problematic. < 1345662286 541849 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-139-13.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1345663427 307081 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-46.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1345664263 268244 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345664624 227836 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTF? < 1345664790 638108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://stripe-ctf.com < 1345664881 234174 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345665341 421171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 NICK :NEEDMOAR < 1345665349 639215 :NEEDMOAR!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 NICK :copumpkin < 1345665477 563446 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT : < 1345665840 310928 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345665884 979432 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to write a quine in Mouse
< 1345665967 747886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Bah, frustrating. < 1345666120 147511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: What did you try so far? < 1345666146 195501 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-34-153.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1345666324 615499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a Haskell quine looks like < 1345666327 981728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks it up
< 1345666362 479482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show"ap(++)show" < 1345666364 379627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\"" < 1345666421 570576 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: #f;34!'#f;34!'64!'$ f"#f;34!'#f;34!'64!'$ f"@ < 1345666457 218935 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it almost works, apart from ! in a string is converted to a newline :-( < 1345666458 516112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one way to make a Haskell quine, without I/O. But the other way would be to do with I/O. < 1345666481 363622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Oops! Try without ! then? < 1345666488 190420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStrLn$ap(++)show"putStrLn$ap(++)show" < 1345666520 684227 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It need ! because !' is the code to output a character < 1345666540 386707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And then put main= to make it a entire program < 1345666557 562660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Maybe you need 33!' to make a exclamation mark output? < 1345666571 228781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work? < 1345666603 400782 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.182.202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's what I'm trying, but it makes things even uglier! < 1345666623 837014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you have to anyways < 1345666703 507043 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing beats a sh quine < 1345666706 487524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an empty file < 1345666732 918510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also a C quine, for some dialects of C < 1345666745 958808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to make the quine program which is not empty file < 1345667067 660260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many programming language the empty program will also make no output ending successfully: Brainfuck, BASIC, INTERCAL, Forth, JavaScript, PHP, Perl, probably some others too. But, C, Haskell, they won't compile empty file. < 1345668096 894402 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@161.113.4.249 QUIT :Changing host < 1345668097 40518 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345668123 64410 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :Guest1458 < 1345668209 321273 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1345668241 212828 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1345668636 990051 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the empty program is a polyglot? < 1345668653 401102 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1345668675 505656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shortest polyglot < 1345668738 521148 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1345668738 667658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1345668783 986147 :itidus20!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a quine too in most cases probably < 1345669000 786449 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can star trek enterprise have worse special effects than DS9? < 1345669346 912310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I never thought DS9's effects looked all that bad TbH. < 1345669364 302868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the point is that enterprise has worse effects < 1345669405 359673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and DS9 was randomly chosen because the first ENT episode had shape shifters < 1345669425 758278 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't tell me they were Changelings. < 1345669442 721262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1345669472 205342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they were sulivan or somesuch < 1345669477 969713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they never appear again < 1345669545 865006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DualShock 9. < 1345669596 142021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :May contain nuts | elliott now constructible with compass and ruler | come to think of it, he was last year too, and the previous. but not the next | Just a remote control and some old gum | atriq is Taneb, just so you know | except this | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1345669600 883823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that would just be a flat, controller-shaped touchscreen though. < 1345669619 801523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, there was only 2 years between DS9 and Enterprise... and Odo was a major character that they could spend some money getting right < 1345669652 514889 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playstation 9. teleport yours today. < 1345669676 666337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temporal console wars < 1345669690 56097 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there were 9 years between the first season of DS9 and Enterprise, though. < 1345669695 844917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1345669707 859932 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Odo looked pretty decent even then. < 1345669735 797335 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe enterprise is just a lot cheaper? < 1345669768 549709 :nooga!~nooga@dwe98.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1345669785 462526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: welcome to our complex plane < 1345669789 511050 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's set like 200 years earlier so maybe it was before the changelings had developed convincing morph animations < 1345669812 827282 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-78-30-101-81.multi.internet.cyfrowypolsat.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1345669855 921688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Every biiiiiiit is preeeeeecious! <-- if a bit is wasted... < 1345669870 10696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :another random note about enterprise: they actually mention curing cancer, I wonder if they mention cancer in any of the other series < 1345669935 555277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to be considered trivial there ... not that star trek should care about that, but I think that cancer will never be quite trivial < 1345669949 780908 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not, that would make the Federation something other than a perfect utopia where nothing goes wrong. < 1345669991 134701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's so trivial they have forgotten that it existed at all, like us and yersina pestis < 1345670004 147959 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems almost impossible to cure all forms of cancer < 1345670012 201063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like an inevitable failure mode of self-reproducing systems < 1345670034 16016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we know that breast cancer has become a thing of the past by the time of memory alpha's writing < 1345670035 526168 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can prevent the most common instances of that failure mode < 1345670105 417351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: speaking of complex plane, is there a UTF that involves complex numbers? < 1345670137 580651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: UTF-i, but it's imaginary. < 1345670139 957201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1345670225 151250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: Babies are made in China? <-- why would babies be the exception? < 1345670313 121331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of babies, should I have some sort of a birth certificate of myself? Do people normally bother to own a copy? I mean, non-Presidents and so on. < 1345670358 573775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've seen mine, so it's presumably somewhere < 1345670367 268442 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they only did the whole crtificate business in the US < 1345670387 217362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have them in the UK too, I think. < 1345670387 377583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put my trust the almighty government database < 1345670399 834247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a computer somewhere, I must be < 1345670443 51239 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth certificates are kinda useless, without any photo or other biometric data that can link the paper to you... < 1345670443 830180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen mine, but there's a reasonable possibility my mother has some kind of paper. < 1345670716 520459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's some kind of an extract you can get from the Population Register Centre that can sort of serve if someone abroad requires a "birth certificate". < 1345670738 611823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll let the Database take care of it. < 1345670873 670973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if I'm correct about which document somehow corresponds to a birth certificate, I have seen it < 1345670963 564768 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just enter your personal number and they mail a copy to you < 1345670993 124870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The extract I mentioned costs 5 eur, so I don't think I'll bother getting a copy. < 1345671000 707230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can lose it just as well without my help. < 1345671009 905050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it had my birth time on it. 20 something, but i've forgotten the minutes. useful for getting a horoscope. < 1345671033 745891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know or remember what time it was, but I know that it was snowing < 1345671036 733715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that'd be "useful". I've heard my time, but I can't remember it at all. < 1345671078 337497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you just say that because you're a capricorn. < 1345671105 82094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm one of those. < 1345671125 96423 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O youtube now only shows my stuff that has been shared to me on google+ < 1345671149 61007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of that "stuff you're likely to like" thing they used to do < 1345671209 823902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm a pig, though. < 1345671215 379223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that Chinese thing. < 1345671216 527280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are indeed < 1345671461 535218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that quite often these days I get "An error occurred. Please try again later." from youtube, either at start or just randomly in the middle of a video? (At least tha animated static behind the message is very nice.) < 1345671470 953752 :asiekierka!~asie@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1345671531 917855 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the command to get fungot's source again < 1345671532 150906 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that corn flakes were originally intended to discourage masturbation? < 1345671532 969020 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: try 2 hav sm slep. din me nahi so payegi tu to 3 ko jana n waha pe links of ur competitor's sites to take it to god in prayer. b is an average i think... < 1345671544 475454 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1345671545 203132 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: ya. exam over le... lol... < 1345671548 730635 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1345671553 737219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1345671554 289499 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1345671559 681609 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1345671566 429645 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1345671566 626261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses ^ as a prefix < 1345671567 751338 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shal i tel u d way u lik. sry for the late reply. was giving tuition. dinner very short onela, but nvm i rmb to send me a virtual hug? school got so much love. confirm nice one. there. emulsified. < 1345671587 655594 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. emulsified. < 1345671588 113952 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis down! < 1345671640 585576 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345671661 598192 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio- summoned me here < 1345671667 784637 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings < 1345671674 476163 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345671687 616448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: It'll get fixed as soon as the box sends a DHCP renew request the next time. (I *really* should puzzle out what on earth is up with that.) < 1345671724 381253 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I get the same thing with my home cable connection. < 1345671746 651889 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've been able to discern (it only does it randomly something like once a week so it's a bit hard to track down), < 1345671763 218620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: This thing stays connectable-from-the-outside-world about 20-30 minutes, then things just... stop. And everything starts working perfectly right after the dhcp-renew. < 1345671763 738134 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cuts the connection for just a few seconds and the DHCP lease also goes instantly stale. < 1345671779 334187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make a difference for connections from the inside out, though. < 1345671780 591181 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1345671780 737328 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A renew fixes it. < 1345671791 849146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can reach the Internet just fine; it's just that the Internet can't reach me. < 1345671808 576047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another computer in the same switch is having no problems whatsoever, even though both have the same dhclient and etc. < 1345671810 105629 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine just drops off the Internet completely. < 1345671815 98396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda bizarre. < 1345671822 437885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in the meanwhile, fungot source: http://sprunge.us/hGRJ < 1345671823 61988 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dnt u tel ur feelngs 2 hr session. lol < 1345671843 620127 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryovat: Check it out < 1345671863 561214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And you stop speaking like a SMS-age teenager, please. < 1345671864 378327 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hw to send dis to al ur"valued frnds. always laughing is too simple... winning is tooo. haha meet at tpy first rply me i m cmng n bike one la i'm going school earlier to buybubble tea up his whole house... y da... gud nt < 1345671901 82265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I want to know. < 1345671915 551472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1345671916 14658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms* speeches ss wp youtube < 1345671920 689355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1345671921 163559 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1345671927 770549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speech! < 1345671928 783308 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: moral effects of. what you say may have far-reaching effects, hence the importance of careful forethought in the planning and preparation of your speeches. < 1345671969 167612 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speech! < 1345671969 681905 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i only allude to mr. fnord < 1345672053 203706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, best not to do more than allude < 1345672076 131002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the books of "speeches" might actually be books about how to write speeches. < 1345672089 387429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just grepped the gutenberg database for "speech". < 1345672102 280255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s peachy < 1345672130 508350 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's terrifying < 1345672191 452930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you tried switching the ports the computers are connected to < 1345672208 673938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1345672210 378710 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: thus much is certain: that the ages in which the true principles of philosophy were least understood were those in which taste has been most correct. it seems, a way of walking, a way as possible, into their elements, that he cannot know whether it is a very strange thing, and he examined it intently. " my wife has some relations in the presbyterian churches, and theatres, had found an asylum in the obscure dwelling w < 1345672258 52791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Nnno, but it sounds very unlikely to do a thing. I mean, it's a very non-intelligent switch, non-manageable and so on. And it's specifically the DHCP renewal that fixes it; random (successful) traffic out doesn't help. < 1345672305 673338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll need to verify the outgoing-connections thing, though, since that's an equally weird thing to work. < 1345672377 540566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a DHCPREQUEST + DHCPACK five minutes ago, so I think it's working at the moment. < 1345672735 920145 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stephenfrysmoustache.com/ < 1345672845 323758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION calls it a day
< 1345672923 837909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling it a day only 45 seconds in? that's giving up a tad early < 1345672969 835774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "it" refers to the previous day, obviously < 1345673364 427111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1345673547 778380 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1345673560 551543 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1345674823 685649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have if(Y=='#') A++; if(Y=='!') A--; then you could also do the same as if(Y>='#') A++; if(Y<='!') A--; and according some document that CPY should set the carry flag if greater or equal, then ADC add 1 if carry flag is set. Does GCC or LLVM have any kind of optimizations such as these? < 1345675346 936461 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Y guaranteed to be either # or ! < 1345675349 178530 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's 'a' < 1345675658 485003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is guaranteed to be either '#' or '!' then it works. < 1345675684 664685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could also be '"' and still works. < 1345675755 36169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM does have a range metadata to indicate the range of a value loaded from memory. < 1345675914 560347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['!'..'#'] < 1345675915 607415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "!\"#" < 1345678184 972058 :monqy!~swell@pool-71-102-219-42.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1345678668 686009 :Guest1458!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1345678675 717229 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1345678675 910249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric