< 1346630691 709601 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346634250 961067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND flash chips are binned by cycles before failure < 1346634255 405732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they test that on a brand new chip < 1346634328 119318 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ch/1986/ch861126.gif < 1346634342 562034 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346634392 839671 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't hated on XKCD in, like, ages, man. < 1346634598 712346 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1346634824 549383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the recent ones have been remarkably bad < 1346634833 916293 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just dumb in ways we have seen many times before < 1346634839 155888 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1346634846 410968 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even interesting enough to mock now? < 1346634856 420818 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the ultimate in mediocrity", reports area man < 1346634856 439378 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1346634864 310915 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i'm trying to be less negative, as a person < 1346634873 5277 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1346634875 382793 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my opinion of xkcd is well-known here by this point < 1346634884 672947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point repeating it, if i'm not adding new information < 1346634892 689746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been enjoying what-if.xkcd.com though < 1346634922 162302 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I put in an RSS feed for someone's birthday? < 1346634925 945104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346634968 284905 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can put "Happy Birthday" in it. < 1346634986 132534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are you still alive?" < 1346634996 584470 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're... giving them an RSS feed? < 1346635009 112959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very chic < 1346635013 417188 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run a couple of RSS feeds that my father subscribes to. < 1346635028 339340 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll put a birthday thing in one of them. < 1346635038 879597 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are RSS feeds for web comics. < 1346635039 837731 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1346635047 697955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to change your name to Fire Void? < 1346635081 142444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this SSD has dropped in price 50% since February < 1346635131 952133 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost now? < 1346635140 10398 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get an SSD. < 1346635153 110795 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel 520 240GB, $230 at Newegg < 1346635172 650556 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get a big external hard drive and do backups. < 1346635175 61077 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no backups. < 1346635176 138690 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all reports, one of the best SSDs < 1346635179 756906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1346635185 351884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should do off-site backups < 1346635195 6185 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have $50 of Tarsnap credit. < 1346635234 61783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to combine multiple .NSF into one .NSF file, although there are some restrictions, such as the input cannot use any expansion chips other than MMC5 and Namco 163, and the output will use the Famicom Disk System expansion in addition to the ones used on the input. < 1346636286 778478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent backgammon card. < 1346637201 432220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Official channel of PEZ | PEZ is the best candy. Why have you abandoned PEZ? | Do not fret, PEZ can forgive you. Give yourself freely to PEZ. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1346637271 66924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall assume this was simple substitution applied to a text containing the phrase "Jesus is the best candy." < 1346637322 509972 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fraid not ;) < 1346637326 263031 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just eating PEZ. < 1346637342 128446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ATE JESUS? YOU BASTARD! < 1346637358 835788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't everyone? < 1346637373 798554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that communion thingy < 1346637379 933740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been do it < 1346637381 635626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1346637416 270466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the new, hip Catholic church, they use Charleston Chews instead of crackers. < 1346637490 463983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that canon law forbids them to do that? (Well, they already violate canon law by not having a pipe organ, so...) < 1346637506 627360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good, although i shall assume it's sickly over-sweet per my american candy stereotypes < 1346637524 97806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe organs are mandatory? < 1346637540 773940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannon law trumps canon law < 1346637543 69532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although many churches do not have it anyways. < 1346637550 302172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought they were quite hard to get by around jesus' time < 1346637564 588604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's nougat and chocolate. It's actually one of the least sweet American candies, I'd say. < 1346637573 899679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass-produced, that is. < 1346637575 601121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is true; but it is not Jesus' time today! < 1346637591 354054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but surely canon law is eternal! < 1346637605 301457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually they do sometimes change it. < 1346637607 168489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is supposedly lutheran protestant, anyway < 1346637613 95030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points cannon. < 1346637621 49636 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you mean, CANNON law is eternal. < 1346637623 793522 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with kmc. < 1346637660 438549 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why aren't you in #cslounge-trains? < 1346637666 716711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, {en:canon, en:cannon} = {no:cannon} < 1346637670 15412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1346637671 777968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1346637676 979658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, {en:canon, en:cannon} = {no:kanon} < 1346637684 806921 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1346637823 856574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ contains no mention of "canon" or "law" < 1346637846 376102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it common to demonstrate an esolang's Turing-completeness by writing a Turing machine? < 1346637873 851663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Look at the wiki you can see which ways are more common. < 1346637884 998714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall assume zzo38 belongs to The Holy Catholic Communion of Righteous Canadian Pipe-Organ Appliers < 1346637936 768102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i have done it (e.g. some of the fragment proofs for Underload), but whether it's the simplest way depends a lot on the esolang < 1346637964 295828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm wait I was thinking "write a turing-machine that interprets the language" but that doesn't prove anything < 1346637986 354694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you want to choose something that has already been proved TC, and which is easy to interpret in your language < 1346637994 157509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346638033 837426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be turing machines, but other nice possibilities are lambda calculus, ski calculus, underload, bitwise cyclic tag... < 1346638034 876219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when I said "by writing a Turing machine" and you answered you had done it you meant you have written an interpreter for a turing machine in a esolang? < 1346638098 627793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i actually did was make a general procedure for translating a turing machine into an underload program containing only ~:()^ commands (iirc) < 1346638119 138224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also minsky machines, which i needed to get rid of the ~. < 1346638168 303363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm confused - I always thought that "being Turing-complete" was a formal way to describe what we'd thought of as "can do anything" but apparently you don't need input/output to be turing-complete, which is a bit weird since basically I am the kind of person who'd think that any programs that does not give a result is equivalent to the null program < 1346638187 94392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example for fueue underload was a very good fit, since it had very similar pieces even if they worked bizarrely differently < 1346638267 360820 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: nope < 1346638282 33688 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Turing-completeness is usually defined by accept/reject < 1346638292 609871 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Turing machines are < 1346638293 278288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we have this sort of "I/O-complete" or "brainfuck-complete" idea floating around in our community for when you want to consider I/O. < 1346638296 22556 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a program that does not give output would be like a machine inside a black box - it may be working hard and compute a lot of stuff, but from the outside it's no more than a black box) < 1346638312 760085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i _do_ like to allow more than single-bit output if possible :P < 1346638326 858725 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but single bit is all that is strictly necessary from a computation perspective < 1346638375 29572 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two are almost exactly equivalent < 1346638396 298426 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are equivalent but I'm tired < 1346638402 929114 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree, I prefer programs that can do I/O < 1346638446 472041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the thing is that you need some notion of inital setup, and final result; these include _both_ the program itself and ordinary i/o, but apply to many more general systems that don't have i/o. e.g. pure lambda calculus has only a concept of reduction to something like a normal or weakly normal result which is still a lambda expression < 1346638506 738449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the initial setup is the lambda expression you start with, encoding what you want to compute, and the result is the reduced (weakly or strongly) normal form < 1346638531 703351 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you're considering the final state of the machine as the output? < 1346638537 751100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346638538 124356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for me < 1346638570 29448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a turing machine that's the usual way, also including the final tape if you want more than accept/reject < 1346638758 357196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the Bitwise Cyclic Tag page suggests you want to include all the deleted bits as output < 1346638786 241432 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: see the busy beaver function < 1346638803 719099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh also brainfuck is rather popular to interpret, for brainfuck derivatives that's often the simplest way of proving TC-ness < 1346638835 884220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also write a thing that compiles brainfuck to your language < 1346638840 979286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can prove the compiler always works < 1346638851 356337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, actually i meant compiling < 1346638894 30057 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a compiler for a TC language *in* your language isn't sufficient, though. :-) < 1346638904 650045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1346638906 190416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not. < 1346638912 900295 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a C to C compiler in 'cat' < 1346638941 854057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not necessarily for the compiler to be written in your language either < 1346638947 903437 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh? What's the text of your cat program? < 1346638949 149382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to have it as target < 1346638952 734800 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only ever manage to write quines. < 1346638956 401052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346638980 83954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*necessary < 1346638989 603431 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Malbolge the best esolang? < 1346639002 565773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you guys that was certainly enlightening < 1346639002 583713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not TC... < 1346639015 277283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1346639020 97107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1346639023 81329 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, neither is ISO C. < 1346639027 95334 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong! < 1346639051 564390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: clearly Malbolge Unshackled is the best, then. < 1346639062 337246 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge shrugged < 1346639240 391967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is saying this mainly in the hope of some day finding someone willing to try programming it < 1346639274 161547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TC proof would be nice too, i guess. < 1346639448 787358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might help _slightly_ if i actually updated it to compile in ghc < 1346639861 484992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Today's strip is brought to you by the number %lX.\n", 184594917); < 1346639863 896139 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's strip is brought to you by the number B00B1E5. < 1346639868 227521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1346640630 51837 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346640971 724286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define HV_LINUX_GUEST_ID_HI 0xB16B00B5 < 1346641025 976664 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hex constant chosen for HV_LINUX_GUEST_ID_HI was offensive, update to use < 1346641026 140975 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decimal equivalent instead. < 1346641048 767543 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346641076 391308 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346641149 32362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0xB16B00B5 < 1346641150 69645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2976579765 < 1346642512 46755 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI ION < 1346642532 526475 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIFT YOUR CASE < 1346642566 141489 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON’T HAVE A CAPS LOCK. :-( < 1346642606 705937 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE GAME. BUT NOW I’LL GET SOME SLEEP. < 1346642614 122370 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: /nick ION < 1346642621 338292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT’S NOT CAPS LOCK DAY YET. < 1346642863 861290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :192.168.1.NaN < 1346642881 110650 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, floating point IPs! < 1346642882 859838 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's perfect. < 1346642895 693727 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the exponent would represent. < 1346642935 511547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: PHP? < 1346642978 789086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1346642986 757957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got this on the admin interface of a wireless router < 1346643089 720291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1346643093 913803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346643305 435898 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346643539 406352 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346643989 457476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please help me with the RogueVM document < 1346644202 676930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy would static analysis of 6502 machine codes in a .NSF file be? < 1346644219 33223 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what you want to analyze. < 1346644321 598804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To figure out what RAM is used, to figure out bankswitching is used, and to decompile it and recompile it at a different address. < 1346644400 12584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are known not to be used. < 1346644583 429356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recompiling at a different address may not be needed if you can simply know which ROM/RAM is free, and what it uses to do bankswitching. < 1346645043 838074 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: splitlong just did it again! < 1346645317 982820 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346645942 486723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646096 883967 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346646171 113767 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646302 32059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346646472 561655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Are you someone making .NSF musics? (I fail to remember exactly) < 1346646492 154865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Distance / ACK Timing: Sets the approximate maximum distance in meters from which clients can connect. May be useful in preventing distant "cantenna leeches" from connecting." < 1346646523 791094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That seems likely to break. < 1346646528 66369 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646538 719658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, that is what it does? Can they set the power for distance? < 1346646555 288796 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1346646569 259389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall reading somewhere that they could not send an email message more than 500 miles away, due to speed of light and time limits set in the configuration. < 1346646575 474592 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah I do songs for famicompos < 1346646585 71699 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using it to nsf converters < 1346646606 510278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have written a program to combine multiple .NSFs into one .NSF although there are some restrictions. < 1346646650 23699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see my .NSFs at http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38 < 1346646662 880522 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646680 635333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you like any of these musics? < 1346646698 228842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made any .NSF with multiple tracks or only one track? < 1346646712 817594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What expansion chips have you used? < 1346646721 27125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used multiple expansions at once sometimes? < 1346646734 495404 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a sec, have to reinstall a nsf player winamp plugin :D < 1346646745 466325 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done vrc6 and vrc7 < 1346646763 942803 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "nsf with software mixer" :D < 1346646777 3973 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't do the software mixer, just the song) < 1346646785 158607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once tried to write a software synthesis in a .NSF file but I could not get it to work. < 1346646812 362002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I have written and got to work is a ZZT music player .NSF file. < 1346647005 216288 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like wizardry.nsf < 1346647007 864674 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1346647017 404001 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better with drumsamples tho :D < 1346647110 647320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it might be; viewing 00README.txt it will tell you none of them use DPCM samples at all (yet); I may later make some including DPCM, or make new versions of existing ones too < 1346647117 314480 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another trick, when you play the same note on two channels it's best to very slightly detune them :D < 1346647137 815531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All .mml files are public domain you are free to modify if you wish. < 1346647154 713970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK, I may do that. < 1346647196 358326 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :layering is especially nice on the vrc7 < 1346647218 975973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by layering? < 1346647220 16231 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get like 3 layers going with detuning and one being played slightly late < 1346647235 958657 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing the same melody on multiple channels but with slight differences < 1346647245 565409 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two different instruments < 1346647252 561172 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or detuned < 1346647254 768083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes I can understand that. < 1346647260 993262 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one with vibrato and one without vibrato < 1346647296 743435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes, that too. < 1346647345 251535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not done those but I have done some similar things; you can see the .mml files to see exactly what is done, if you want to. < 1346647496 667221 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346647578 117686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the 00README.txt? < 1346647659 109751 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should try famitracker < 1346647705 162392 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it but the other modshrine (virt, coda, chibitech, etc...) guys swear by it < 1346647707 948811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Famitracker; my brother uses that. I happen to like PPMCK, and I have made a lot of improvements to PPMCK as well. < 1346647771 391415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, Famitracker can only use one expansion chip at once. < 1346647792 573057 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you music doesn't have enough vibratos and volume slides and note cuts and bends etc :D < 1346647837 489260 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a tool where doing these things is easy and you can hear what you're doing very fast so you can put effects all over the place < 1346647843 2202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does not have a lot of those. But that is just because I did not put them in. < 1346647866 769218 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a tool where putting them in is easy < 1346647879 345868 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your tool makes it hard you're never going to fill your song with them < 1346647924 773241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am going to use them, I will add commands for those things more easily in PPMCK; although for now I can find entering the volume manually is easy enough. < 1346648027 418093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I need them I will add those features, of course. One feature I have added recently to PPMCK is the ability to enter DPCM samples inline (instead of loading from a file); I might use that. Features I have added a while ago include * and ? commands, and I now use those a lot. < 1346648287 125905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer MCK, some prefer Famitracker, and some other people like NerdTracker. < 1346648296 611816 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly nerds < 1346648307 712041 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought nerdtracker was really old < 1346648311 584205 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kinda buggy < 1346648326 838294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is really old. < 1346648333 862246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it. < 1346648345 546015 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is that when I tried it, it crashed :D < 1346648438 657060 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also gotta learn how to alternate long and short notes < 1346648502 384978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some musics I am writing more recently (not posted yet) I do use some crescendo, trill, and so on. < 1346648515 547209 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1346648525 981800 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more percussion? < 1346648582 360839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trills can easily be written using the EN command. I am not very good at percussion, although I have tried a bit and "internationale.nsf" is using percussion although the original I took it from had none (I made up the percussion myself), but still only noise and not DPCM. < 1346648612 215332 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still lots of stuff that can be done to help noise :D < 1346648623 557929 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like have unequal volume on hihat lines < 1346648649 221978 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have snares have a really short burst of low low frequency noise < 1346648665 535958 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then switch the normal med~hi frequency for the tail < 1346648679 265702 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try to give it a nice volume envelope < 1346648709 490429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you; but like I said I am not very good at percussion. I understand chords and that stuff because I studied it, but not percussion. < 1346648806 394478 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that it's harder to get info for percussion < 1346648835 984071 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've analysed stuff like samba percussion and it's pretty complex :D < 1346649144 611806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music I have composed myself is "zzo38_1" and it has no percussion, but it does include chords and moment of silence, and a few other things. I wanted to include some minor chords too but I ended up including only major chords (although there is a V/V (applied dominant) chord in there). < 1346649170 310611 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :o < 1346649187 853823 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno I though it was major chords that were an aquired taste :D < 1346649203 580914 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my music minor dominated for like years and is probably still most common < 1346649225 554535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have included the chord numbers in the file; mostly to help me to write it but also if people want to look < 1346649240 36762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Did you write music in a minor key, or in a major key, though? < 1346649248 20010 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor key < 1346649280 710397 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's harder to use minor chords in major than major chords in minor, true :D < 1346649309 539194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chords in minor keys is more complicated. < 1346649327 179053 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think so? :D < 1346649337 952611 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass is easier to write tho < 1346649406 665842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes it probably is harder to use minor chords in major than major chords in minor. In major key, minor chords are II, III, and VI (I wanted to use VI). In minor key, you can use the natural, melodic, or harmonic (usually harmonic, so that the major dominant chord is used), so you have more chords although that also makes it more complicated. < 1346649443 30415 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta admit stuff like III isn't particularly useful < 1346649493 288402 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I always though the natural vs melodic minor stuff was overanalyzed < 1346649516 881743 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just pick the one that sounds the best for the particular thing you're writing on the spot < 1346649526 567036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one way to do it. < 1346649548 556630 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like picking which flavor of candy you want to eat :D < 1346649725 515387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The books I studied use lowercase for minor and diminished chords, although I don't use that because it is difficult when hand-written. Some people just always use the uppercase and don't indicate major/minor. I use the uppercase, but when it is important to indicate major/minor/diminished I will write that too: + for major, - for major, x for augmented, o for diminished. < 1346649750 328210 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "m" for minor < 1346649761 665446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In major keys it is rarely necessary to write that; but in minor keys it becomes more useful to write them) < 1346649767 93101 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I IIm7 V7b9 < 1346649786 175320 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially I use jazz chord notation together with roman numerals < 1346649789 915546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: When writing the letter name of the chord I will use m for minor, but when writing the number I will use - for minor. < 1346649822 659814 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346649825 390927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I normally use the roman numerals when I am writing music, though.) < 1346649826 224071 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah II-7 is also common in jazz notation < 1346649896 556943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the music is written in a major key I won't bother writing II-7 and will just write II7 since it is understood that it is minor. (If I do need to indicate it major, I can write II+ but often it will be V/V instead of II anyways.) < 1346649916 27533 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't use V/V < 1346649925 153309 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ambiguous with inversions < 1346649970 291657 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I V/VII I7/bVII IV/VI IVm/bVI I/V V7b9 < 1346650065 330272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just write V6 and so on for first inversions? < 1346650187 983981 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's confusing it with, well, V6 < 1346650203 638661 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(G B D E for G6) < 1346650324 872299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I use the notation I won't mean that; when I write V6 I mean the V chord in first inversion. I will write it something else if I mean what you are doing such as calling the E a non-chord tone or something like that. At least, this is the way I do it. You can do it your way if it works better for you. < 1346650411 849212 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just take jazz notation and replace letters with roman numbers < 1346650420 570466 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO the most consistent notation < 1346650446 108122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK. I am using the classical notation since that is what I have studied. < 1346650470 155766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course jazz notation works too, and so does jazz ntoation with roman numbers. < 1346650517 530333 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how classical notation is inconsistent with sharps and flats < 1346650523 65608 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how they depend on your key < 1346650529 551839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I do not think jazz notation with roman numbers is common; do you know if anyone other than you uses it?) < 1346650541 42806 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark levine < 1346650546 372091 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz theory book < 1346650630 947074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I know. I generally don't find it necessary to write the sharps and flats in the chord notation, though. Things other than the chords themself can be written with non-chord tones, and may be circled for reminder (sometimes it is also written what kind of non-chord tone, such as in analysis; I don't find this necessary). < 1346650679 756913 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok how do you write Valt7 in classical notation < 1346650709 313128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means; I don't know jazz notation very well. < 1346650710 22346 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In, say, Bb minor < 1346650724 199172 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt7 is a 7th chord with a bunch of alterations < 1346650744 368603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found it on Wikipedia. Let me look what it means. < 1346650773 530423 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically b9, #9, #11, #5 < 1346650830 812564 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irl it's usually played as 7#5#9 < 1346650877 428570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :F♯ A♯ ∞ < 1346650891 838887 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Falt7 is something like A, Db, Eb, Ab in the keyboardist's left hand while the bass plays F < 1346650916 678677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346650997 97023 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lexande_ has all the train answers. < 1346651003 949615 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding? < 1346651036 42535 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains. < 1346651045 399842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that "altered chord" in jazz could mean more than one kind of chord, according to the Wikipedia article. < 1346651071 126257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically? < 1346651108 135815 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: irl the classification is something like < 1346651117 656988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never thought of writing such altered chords, but if I do I would probably just indicate that it is being altered and write the alterations on the notes rather than the chord notations. < 1346651122 982560 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does it have a #9?" < 1346651136 502020 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie a major third and minor third at the same time) < 1346651161 210144 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes -> does it have a normal 5th or a normal 6th? < 1346651175 311360 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does, then it's a 7#9 or a 7b9 < 1346651193 740250 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a #5 (aka b13 aka b6) then it's an alt7 < 1346651273 424888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346651400 278740 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in jazz chords are often classified by which scale you play over them... alt7 is played over the so called "super-locrian" scale (C Db Eb E F# Ab Bb) < 1346651473 830722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346651882 249284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah that's the reason I like jazz notation... you can write classical chords in jazz notation easily, but not vice-versa < 1346651912 152731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK; that is good for you then. < 1346652027 249317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also invented cadence symbols (books I have seen just write out the words) (I have once suggested this to someone to forward my suggestion to the Royal Conservatory): P for perfect, P with a slash through it for imperfect, PL for plagal, D for deceptive. Circled for closed, a half-circle around for semi-closed, and no circle for open. (What I am calling "perfect" here is sometimes called an "authentic" cadence, but I learned "perfect") < 1346652118 516828 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what semi-closed was < 1346652253 498032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semi-closed means one or both chords are not in the root position or the second chord does not have the tonic in the soprano. < 1346652306 784139 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was imperfect :o < 1346652366 515630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also called imperfect; there are two different terminologies for cadences. < 1346652403 81404 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346652407 725502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why this is, but it is.) < 1346652491 500491 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't use closed cadences at all when I was younger but now I do :D < 1346652630 650836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some music which I did not put into the computer because it is too short. < 1346652883 50123 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why I use a tracker < 1346652891 516530 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can write music on the computer :D < 1346652947 314715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My music "zzo38_1" was written directly on the computer, though. I did not use paper for that one. < 1346652962 154572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is why the chord symbols are included in the comments.) < 1346653064 278521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written some music in the QBASIC PLAY command, without using paper or anything else. This is not polyphonic, though. But I have done so both using the built-in PLAY command for standard music, and my own PlayBP subroutine for Bohlen-Pierce. < 1346653153 538530 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://madbrain.devzero.co.uk/the_tomato_soup_case.mp3 <- this only has open cadences I think < 1346653165 255520 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: ho god bohlen-pierce < 1346653199 36866 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use tools with a faster feedback loop < 1346653243 101987 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl keyboard, midi sequencer, tracker, anything < 1346653398 751863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue when it comes to composing music < 1346653422 279249 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a learned skill :D < 1346653442 614532 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god no < 1346653444 19042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easier to just write out the music first and then make corrections later. I do have an electric piano but I don't usually use it to write music. My father *only* writes music by playing it on the piano. < 1346653496 606915 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: what, you sing notes to yourself first until you have a melody that you like, then write it down? < 1346653499 412127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some composers were deaf and could still write music. < 1346653539 616284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: yeah the classic beethoven thing but those are special cases < 1346653550 32229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Generally I just think about it rather than singing it out loud, but generally yes. Sometimes I will write the chords first though, and sometimes a combination of the melody and chords. < 1346653587 279423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I will play it on the piano or computer, and if it is no good I will adjust it. < 1346653644 950981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know about koji kondo and nobuo uematsu? < 1346653661 682874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about them. < 1346653665 195821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1346653697 647798 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude do you know about mitsuda yasunori, the chrono trigger dude? :D < 1346653703 950047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't. < 1346653717 264612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1346653736 752883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently got chrono trigger for my hacked ds though < 1346653751 721697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will probably be a positive experience when i eventually < 1346653774 208106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When adding the percussion to the Internationale, I just added it based on seeing (not hearing) the dissonance in the music and writing percussion based on that. I don't know if that is the correct way or whatever to do percussion, but it sounded OK to me and to my brother. < 1346653835 92928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how I do music. I don't do it live like many people do; I prefer the old way. < 1346653858 878552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old ways are probably the best < 1346653876 988833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, to me it is anyways; other people may prefer other ways. < 1346653888 952866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { unsigned buf[12], i; for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) { asm("cpuid" : "=a"(buf[4*i]), "=b"(buf[4*i+1]), "=c"(buf[4*i+2]), "=d"(buf[4*i+3]) : "a"(0x80000002u+i)); } puts((char*)buf); } < 1346653893 764996 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6128 < 1346653900 794648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always like to be bitter and cynical about ways of game design (while indefinitly procrastinating doing it myself) < 1346653900 965443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth is revealed! < 1346653907 886108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it wasn't such a secret.) < 1346653922 460584 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual way of composing for percussion is something like telling the drummer "I want a bossa beat" < 1346653924 320520 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1346653925 67326 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346653960 853712 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: it could have the kind of military marching snare beat thing < 1346653969 991106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i got a legitimate version of warioware diy. that has a feature to compose music. < 1346653980 208534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only a few seconds worth i think < 1346654021 675778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Perhaps that is how they do it. But like I said I don't know much about percussion so I just did it by dissonance. (You can see and/or hear the percussion I have used if you want to.) < 1346654038 678215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1346654052 23691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew when i was a child that nintendo was a seriously big deal < 1346654077 472403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years later, nothing has changed < 1346654098 953250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know very well whether a bossa beat or this beat or that beat is better. < 1346654115 201357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it is not only by dissonance that I did it by; I did it by rhythm and dissonance.) < 1346654133 566489 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: usually it works by style < 1346654139 577602 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346654155 271524 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swing jazz gets swing beat, bossa gets bossa beat < 1346654178 154025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gets the "fat beat" I've been hearing about? Fat musicians? < 1346654203 946950 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal gets the drummer pounding the kick with his double pedal like it's a pinata :D < 1346654285 52044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346654366 338153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if i was living alone, i would use the freedom to build instruments out of odds and ends < 1346654397 951758 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346654409 439268 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusion jazz gets this complex break-beaty bossa-nova-ish swing-ish im-more-intelligent-than-you drumming :D < 1346654410 141521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is sort of like what I have done with rhythm, so it may be march or waltz time or whatever, although I have also done by dissonance. < 1346654410 659273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but living with family, it becomes inappropriate to do such things < 1346654436 410226 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :march time? < 1346654439 137869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you (and/or other people) can do percussion better than I do; I am not very good at percussion. < 1346654450 522841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: every object can make music < 1346654464 180984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes and I have sometimes done so as well. < 1346654465 319493 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: you need a tool where it's easy < 1346654482 348150 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proper DPCM support or something :D < 1346654496 565552 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple of nice kick and snare samples that hit hard :D < 1346654511 324047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that when making instruments the goal is to provide a finite set of sounds the instrument can make, which can be composed together < 1346654512 30810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have DPCM samples so I used noise instead. < 1346654546 546784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I do have the ZZT DPCM samples. But they may not be that good of quality compared with proper drums.) < 1346654561 203630 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: every object can make music but not every object can play in equal temperament over 2 octaves with multiple different nuances :D < 1346654588 259699 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: my favourite source is old MODs < 1346654612 192268 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they have killer bass and drum samples < 1346654617 333181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: my rants of always stating the obvious < 1346654619 149639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well I do have some of those, so I can look and convert to DPCM and see if it is good. < 1346654619 317673 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially snares < 1346654649 764214 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awesome ones that sounds like an explosion every 2 beats :D < 1346654656 994431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1346654673 758682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know much about drums so I don't know what kind of drums to use, whether I had a drum kit or not. < 1346654680 478631 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick < 1346654682 353659 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snare < 1346654685 407469 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihat < 1346654688 603160 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the bass < 1346654704 478521 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihat needs lots of high frequencies tho so it doesn't work well on DPCM < 1346654710 194728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to make an arcade game, is microswitches and joysticks good, or is it just traditional? < 1346654713 172479 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy to do with noise tho < 1346654732 486565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I think I will go to bed now because it is late, but thanks for information. < 1346654733 398013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1346654745 599273 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti: eh? < 1346654754 192233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that its made for resilence < 1346654777 319514 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my domain of competence :D < 1346654784 296254 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a keyboard nut tbh < 1346654792 899980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcade machine peripherals designed to take heavy damage :D < 1346654801 538854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed for use by jocks < 1346654943 14863 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1346654952 739669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a TAC-2 in a box somewhere; it's a Totally Accurate Controller. (Sort of irrelevant, because it doesn't have microswitches; it has a ball.) < 1346654976 10876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: my train of thought was, what would PC be like in arcade? how would it differ from internet cafe? oh crap it won't differ from internet cafe < 1346655113 15160 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have some specific industrial strength components < 1346655119 182858 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to deal with dust < 1346655122 439101 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being always on < 1346655139 928580 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's also why they used roms for the longest time rather than disks < 1346655283 284367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnetic disks, especially floppies, were really quite fragile, yeah... < 1346655296 217280 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ROMs still worrk. < 1346655307 784902 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mask ROMs probably will for centuries. < 1346656264 237382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i suspect theres room for innovation in arcade game interfaces < 1346656499 28846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of a few inventions which would be absurd. a digital billiard table, where the entire table is a graphical display and some kind of sensors detect what the queue is doing < 1346656563 889512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a system would have the advantage of allowing AI opponents < 1346657404 958144 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346657446 138600 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346657560 717982 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1346657580 588646 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346657646 727903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1346657689 640843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe that a humble ball provides more accurate physics than what a super computer can muster < 1346657968 367481 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346658396 511178 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346658636 17290 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346658636 222829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346659021 39626 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346659791 169851 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346659886 81273 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1346661465 136654 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346662089 948307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346664733 970147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346665072 215811 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346665539 978326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346666031 93335 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346667188 552313 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667348 210381 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346667420 512563 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346667420 882143 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667780 20312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667827 584859 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's anyone alive who met Eddie Morton < 1346668734 763082 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346669244 484488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346669258 4995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346669427 845049 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346669644 210007 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346669723 27593 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346670179 395877 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346670885 975675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346670891 670393 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346671150 1965 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346671230 576462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 77 seconds. < 1346671236 552377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be one of /those/ days again, isn't it? < 1346671508 472534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: also, that was really difficult to do in this client, I had to copy-paste a literal control-A < 1346671537 493814 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, dude, that's weird. < 1346671542 345107 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:24 CTCP hi reply from ais523: < 1346671547 998966 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never gotten one of those before. < 1346671553 632973 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's a fancy NOTICE thing. < 1346671555 82951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: it was awkward to send in this client < 1346671564 244811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try giving it an argument < 1346671578 206016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that work? < 1346671590 450960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a big SHACHAF there. < 1346671609 221934 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: / /nick FIZZIE < 1346671614 195421 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1346671616 742630 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the / < 1346671622 132704 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /nick AIS523 < 1346671663 938704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't wanna. :( < 1346671681 969835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-WHOADUDE IT STILL LOOKS WEIRD, MAN request from SHACHAF. < 1346671696 215457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to send a reply < 1346671738 25853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 1,346,671,725 seconds. < 1346671750 35250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because I sent myself a ping backdated to the epoch < 1346671751 204162 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of seconds. < 1346671752 812049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than connection trouble < 1346671758 843504 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1,346,671,725 seconds < 1346671759 556388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1346671768 309034 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'll be about 42 years. < 1346671836 435531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 years 9 months 3 days and around 12 hours < 1346671840 216728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how this works with timezones < 1346672016 196248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PING argument isn't specified, so sometimes with two different clients connected to a bouncer you get rather funky PING replies as seen from the client that didn't send the request. < 1346672045 39375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some send seconds since epoch, some milliseconds since epoch, some seconds + space + micro/nanoseconds. < 1346672438 543936 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346672649 309964 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346673072 612478 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346673493 509799 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1346673686 159031 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346674259 307697 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rereading some Freefall: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2100/fc02009.htm < 1346674293 759821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a while later: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2300/fc02227.htm < 1346674361 21042 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346674807 366830 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346675069 229292 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346675683 500677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346675700 118393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346675706 313463 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346676882 266062 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346676882 996182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1346676885 943878 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346677267 307976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346677377 138344 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f < 1346677425 750620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` 0.5 < 1346677426 786515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Fractional t) => t -> t < 1346677516 922996 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` pi < 1346677517 931968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Floating t) => t -> t < 1346677528 310247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` ceiling 2 < 1346677529 309712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Integral t) => t -> t < 1346677555 131230 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` (snd . properFraction) 2 < 1346677556 132056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (RealFrac b) => b -> b < 1346677572 887354 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` significand 2 < 1346677573 889563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (RealFloat t) => t -> t < 1346677609 430133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1 +) < 1346677610 430874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t -> t < 1346677669 821965 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to get a Real constraint using this method < 1346677720 419684 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scaleFloat 2 3 < 1346677721 496414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12.0 < 1346677729 303818 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scaleFloat 8 1 < 1346677730 341203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 256.0 < 1346677762 554948 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`scaleFloat` 1) [1..10] < 1346677763 580150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.0,4.0,8.0,16.0,32.0,64.0,128.0,256.0,512.0,1024.0] < 1346677953 660631 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q = id in (id 1, id 'a') < 1346677954 699678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,'a') < 1346677978 926923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q = id in (q 1, q 'a') < 1346677979 928509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,'a') < 1346678400 893703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679203 883204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346679222 266442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679397 362716 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679432 190366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346679984 766640 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-232.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679989 804137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346680091 372278 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346680091 538229 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh < 1346680101 113239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1346680102 556058 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346680337 519381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1346680341 234152 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346680359 384220 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346680838 258006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346680860 8654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346680955 445750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346681103 829662 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1346681604 130282 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1346682202 812109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346682384 374509 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346682553 284389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346682655 145111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346682960 824937 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346684296 560645 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346684323 874136 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346684677 482447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1346684701 528556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my two favourite webcomics, one started when I was 14, the other when I was 6 < 1346684709 280940 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could this mean? < 1346684716 341532 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not 6. < 1346684717 547080 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. < 1346684957 917733 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346685257 469439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Your new favourite webcomic will be started when you turn 28, unless you already are. < 1346685280 184468 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what webcomic? < 1346685327 824355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 18:05 < atriq> Of my two favourite webcomics, one started when I was 14, the other when I was 6 < 1346685340 13545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 6 was later fixed to be 7.) < 1346685344 412995 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck and IWC < 1346685356 96610 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346685360 181503 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346685361 251090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (*2) 7 -- your new favourite webcomic start ages < 1346685362 420467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,14,28,56,112,224,448,896,1792,3584,7168,14336,28672,57344,114688,229376,... < 1346685368 165621 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn 28 in 10 years 2 months today < 1346685386 298725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you'll live to see the one that starts when you turn 229376, I hear it's quite a good one. < 1346685407 297079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they still have webcomics in 2890? < 1346685415 719853 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will tell < 1346685425 843671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they'll be some kind of direct neural-fed qualiomics, but anyway. < 1346685429 843600 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time traveler, perhaps.. < 1346685447 213664 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they still have webcomics in 2050, for that matter < 1346685471 947531 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, in 2050 the internet will be about to disappear < 1346685477 980189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the minitel has < 1346685529 468367 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1346685534 803968 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it returns in 2890 < 1346685544 371636 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's conceivable that IWC has readers younger than it. < 1346685574 530506 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad I use GHCi as a calculator? < 1346685657 456057 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1346685683 340441 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has 3 different exponentiation functions by defualt! < 1346685691 919428 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((^),(^^),(**)) < 1346685692 917881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1 b1 a2. (Num a, Integral b, Fractional a1, Integral b1, Floating a2) => (a -> b -> a, a1 -> b1 -> a1, a2 -> a2 -> a2) < 1346685723 614639 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not find that is a problem, then it doesn't matter < 1346685727 133725 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a feature < 1346685728 975829 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a problem < 1346685733 777503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a feature < 1346685740 82421 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They represent slightly different things < 1346685766 441034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "feature" means "intentional problem", does it not? < 1346685785 81563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) is raising to a non-negative integer, (^^) to any integer, (**) to any real (ish) < 1346685787 664277 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Floating < 1346685787 869883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating < 1346685795 197076 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, lambdabot < 1346685799 30209 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Applicative < 1346685799 195385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative < 1346685799 736616 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [(^), (^^), (**)] < 1346685801 34283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a, Integral a) => [a -> a -> a] < 1346685816 775433 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay unification < 1346685846 716141 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't they just overload one of these operators? < 1346685857 668236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell isn't like that < 1346685864 456240 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1346685886 277325 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toInteger pi < 1346685887 358612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685887 523996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685887 542634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:0-11 < 1346685928 635063 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (pi, toInteger pi) < 1346685929 809297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685929 970090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685929 988541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:5-16 < 1346685937 874179 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = pi in (x, toInteger x) < 1346685938 877800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685939 44421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685939 63071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:18-28 < 1346685942 575850 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1346685950 536330 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look nice < 1346685950 867007 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, it's impossible < 1346685960 601701 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For something to be both Floating and Integral < 1346685972 26828 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overloading doesn't exist? < 1346685990 436143 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1346685997 632516 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is something called overloading < 1346685998 976272 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it uses a kind of polymorphism < 1346686010 263952 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is for 1 function < 1346686026 406166 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait that was called polymorphism < 1346686039 328287 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use run-time dispatch now < 1346686046 980883 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for OO-languages < 1346686056 735386 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imperative OO languages < 1346686159 305286 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-235-220.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346686175 959680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet jerkcity has readers younger than it < 1346686183 612356 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appeal to 14 year olds < 1346686332 372995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole < 1346686433 134783 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutenberg actually only improved typography < 1346686444 422359 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koreans could print stuff earlier < 1346686486 756131 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was important though < 1346686512 360439 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he replaced the wooden shapes for the characters with iron shapes < 1346686516 995887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346686699 104182 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The world's first known movable-type system for printing was created in China around 1040 A.D. by Bi Sheng (990–1051) during the Song Dynasty;[1] following that, the first metal movable-type system for printing was made in Korea during the Goryeo Dynasty (around 1230)." < 1346686712 118480 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Korea < 1346686719 578147 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually pretty sure it was Korea < 1346686737 468900 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that had the actual first thing to print) < 1346686737 684113 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=11242004 < 1346686742 892583 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by chinese < 1346686760 430391 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I learned it wrong then < 1346686907 214819 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The Chinese government should definitely maintain hacked.gov.cn and provide little validation badges like that "TRUSTe" thing so you can confirm that a site really has been hacked by Chinese.' < 1346686931 47830 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346687178 369987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346687247 14658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346687392 424446 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688182 653372 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688990 554618 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688991 713813 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-232.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346689362 431085 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346689394 632808 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346691311 98952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346691406 143949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346691730 524414 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1346691915 29034 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346691946 218326 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692406 944785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692445 817682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692655 124580 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346692957 929669 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346693520 80560 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346693567 216523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346695225 523061 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346695501 552288 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1346695590 700338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346695590 804264 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346695590 965081 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346695590 983608 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1346695590 983786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346696360 219490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346696408 120762 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346696642 595132 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697185 991527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697490 320398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697727 969683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346698765 334236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what IRC channel(s) they would know better of the stuff I am asking for RogueVM? < 1346699047 860912 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ suffers from problems causing reasonable-looking sentences to cause listeners to snap and try to kill you" < 1346699051 743066 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As my friend Jacob Gabrielson once put it, advocating Object-Oriented Programming is like advocating Pants-Oriented Clothing." < 1346699073 107144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how it works? < 1346699127 2187 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346699203 637201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object oriented programming can sometimes be useful for some things. I do not believe it is best for all things. < 1346699338 754627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one problem is it's easier to think about objects than it is to think about computation < 1346699367 726716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is always easier. < 1346699403 2033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any fool can start thinking up object names < 1346699441 159424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't necessarily make it easier or more sensible. Sometimes the name will be no good. < 1346699443 238781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, understanding oop alone won't enable you to write an OS < 1346699457 885703 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:10 < itidus21> any fool can start thinking up object names // and now I'm going to try to find why that message was hilighted < 1346699522 766153 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hilight for foo < 1346699540 189212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... < 1346699593 554579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my Scheduler class, it is a member of my OS , all i have to do is fill in the members and i will be all set < 1346699611 178769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better throw in a GUI class < 1346699707 899858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tidus, you should use design patterns. or else you're doing it wrong >:) < 1346699787 48450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just want to fill in the members.. i don't have time to study patterns < 1346699806 705764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we all hate you!!!" < 1346699886 188868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1346700035 280000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but whether the name is good or not is subjective, which gives the fools ground for argument < 1346700119 152830 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: did you ever write a scheduler < 1346700120 158956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an os < 1346700121 866342 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any code < 1346700173 454349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm arguing why oop may get a bad name, using myself as an exhibit < 1346700212 451044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i didn't write a scheduler.. even the theory of them was probably too steep for me < 1346700230 431858 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346700240 16126 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1346700251 59078 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need much theory to write a simple scheduler < 1346700290 680775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naive schedulers are pretty simple. < 1346700319 693007 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process scheduling? Circular linked list of processes. < 1346700346 720122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my ability at coding is just a reflection of my life in general < 1346700351 192120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be ideal, but it's functional and really simple. < 1346700432 883867 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, you only need theory to do the clever bits of things. Just thwacking out something that works is mostly just a matter of effort. < 1346700459 726313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sans theory, you are going to be writing *really inefficient code* in certain cases. But it'll function.) < 1346700495 590889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what i think you mean by did i write any code, i didn't < 1346700544 706316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some problems you can't solve at all without some theory < 1346700553 893835 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can write a 3D renderer without understanding a little bit about 3D geometry < 1346700716 843581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346700738 969309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite an unhappy person overall. maybe some people accept what they can't change. in my case, what i can't change leaves me feeling trapped or whatever < 1346700756 941784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people, i guess they don't feel there is anything they can't change except death and taxes < 1346700777 16891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this channel is not big enough for both itidus21 and me in the mood i'm in. < 1346700777 222919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346700780 886325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346700781 89452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest asked 3h 48m 23s ago: Isn't '.' right after '+' in the ASCII table? < 1346700799 501253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but im learning im delusional! < 1346700807 482594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "+." < 1346700808 188186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a wonderful idea < 1346700808 523144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [43,46] < 1346700834 473523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest No. + = 43, . = 46 < 1346700834 749443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346700858 727714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like thinking you are living in a warzone and then learning that it's actually just a construction yard outside making all the noise < 1346700886 384129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the feeling of recognizing momentarily that one is infact deluded < 1346700886 922633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: when you say you are learning you are delusional, do you mean that your shrink is telling you that? < 1346700918 715320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if i may give you an example < 1346700942 62709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once thought someone who i was chatting to on the internet was in my backyard with a gun < 1346700955 782353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess that's delusional. < 1346700970 298645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this was because i used to hear rodents or possums on the roof, and thought it was someone climbing around up there < 1346700980 796027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured since my house is next to a park a hobo was sleeping on my roof < 1346700992 648732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe you would feel better about yourself if you spent your time talking about something you do understand < 1346701008 252479 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than saying wrong things about programming and then telling everyone how you're wrong < 1346701009 955988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you are australian and not this guy i use to talk with in real life... < 1346701020 237371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me < 1346701029 487481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1346701030 329005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for itidus21 is Tue Sep 04 05:36:56 < 1346701040 761941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i could have changed my time to lie < 1346701042 788410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again maybe you do actually understand programming and are just depressed or something < 1346701043 88844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a joke, he would never be able to pretend to be you) < 1346701068 211802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't even be able to find this channel without my help < 1346701162 747446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i understand the basics.... i can do small simple problems given enough time.. but once it gets into topics like math or unix , i have absolutely no clue < 1346701214 361933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i attract delusional people, presumably a plot by the universe to make me realize i'm delusional... < 1346701246 496176 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for functional stuff, i suppose that what happens is i have been not actually trying to do it, but searching for elusive meanings to it, like some grand idea < 1346701265 983076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also attract people who are willing to tell me i am, and thereby make me stop trusting them when i actually thought i needed their help. :( < 1346701326 106552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am also fiercely in denial about not being a genius < 1346701394 573064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well chances are, merely from being on this channel, that you are smart enough to convince 50% of everybody you are a genius. < 1346701427 68300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i can throw words around pretty well! < 1346701441 450964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absorbed a lot of vocabulary at the least! < 1346701460 984472 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346701468 120843 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw Word < 1346701512 772885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346701521 298949 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346701521 760707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no great genius without some touch of madness. < 1346701522 929245 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(throw 'word) < 1346701527 390316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn housemate, don't ramp up the music volume < 1346701561 11706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you really don't want to see the sort of "code" i produced in the past when trying to make a game.. < 1346701575 205916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why it's so bad < 1346701580 898506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do want to see. < 1346701584 769429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i avoided getting feedback on it < 1346701598 662745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just learned like a wolf in the wild < 1346701601 6917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe you are doing cargo cult programming... < 1346701618 813139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1346701621 981058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make something which _looks_ like programming, without knowing what it actually is < 1346701740 748801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn maybe i'm doing cargo cult living < 1346701769 745891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not sure what the best way to show code is < 1346701783 213685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fake it 'till you make it < 1346701808 847043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i just post a random ugly chunk of code on pastebin < 1346701829 177077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sprunge is better. < 1346701848 683535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use winxp... i don't know that kind of thing < 1346701866 837059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In addition, doing so, you won't show anyone who doesn't want to see because posts to sprunge are not listed in public) < 1346701902 221793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the trouble is i don't really want to live in the way everybody keeps advising me to do, _nor_ am i smart enough in that aspect to find my own way < 1346701925 684157 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which way do they advise you? < 1346701950 891067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well.. maybe another day! < 1346701998 208792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as close to "normal" as possible. < 1346702005 588264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but which aspects of "normal" < 1346702032 112856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, too painful to discuss < 1346702035 136112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702037 18525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1346702049 124612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2999 Funny Things To Do To Your Opponent's Computer: < 1346702054 821984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Remove the plug and replace it with a fake plug. When they ask you what's wrong with their computer, tell them this: "I was trying to fix your computer for you, so I opened it up and looked inside, and a lot of the wires inside weren't connected, so I connected all of them, and then I turned it on, it was all smoke..." When they go to the store to fix it, they will realize that the computer is working fine, it is just the wrong plug. < 1346702062 265970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Make a program that keeps changing the system time to a random time every five minutes. < 1346702070 290400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Change icons to point to different programs than what they actually say. < 1346702079 17594 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346702089 178292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Alter the spell-checker so that none of the words are real words anymore. < 1346702093 297491 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that with our school computers < 1346702105 724865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i hex edited the school computers so the Start button said "Strat" < 1346702110 816407 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(switched paint and word) < 1346702111 390895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Put 0a program on their comp0uter that types0 zeros0 at r0andom times, and/0or0 displays r0andom error00 messa0ges at0 random 0times0. < 1346702122 543511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Steal the ball from their mouse and play pinball with it. Tell them it is a pinball. < 1346702129 487419 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346702137 955096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Get a screenshot of their normal desktop and then replace the background picture with it. < 1346702149 91057 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done that < 1346702155 605170 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Open up the case and rub your dick all over the inside < 1346702180 136770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Put the monitor upsidedown and put a sensor in it so that if it is turned right side up then the picture is still upsidedown. < 1346702193 388849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346702193 539185 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346702202 319976 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346702207 478926 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where did you find those? < 1346702227 734964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote most of them by myself; others were from other people I forget who. < 1346702234 701147 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702235 535117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also forget which ones) < 1346702271 308041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If there is more than one computer in the room, switch the keyboard inputs. < 1346702280 242513 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list available somewhere? < 1346702284 511247 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done that < 1346702291 356632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are in my FORTUNE file. < 1346702307 992355 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702377 569279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well one thing is that i have always thought about computers as having an associated display < 1346702446 183356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conception there may be slightly wonky. like i do realize that theres other forms of I/O but i'm fixated on the monitor < 1346702514 944522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when learning about computers at some age or other i was pretty much dismissing anything which wasn't part of a video game playing system < 1346702517 153362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Install sysinternals' BSoD screensaver and turn off the "mouse movement closes screen saver" option < 1346702538 36657 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1346702628 239297 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can't find you fortune file on your gopher site. is it there somewhere? < 1346702649 497498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i tend to rely quite heavily on existing software... < 1346702671 352093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i can't download the software to solve some task, i see that as being equivalent to not being able to do the task < 1346702680 346887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently the file is not available; you can only request one entry at random. < 1346702687 762910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may change that later) < 1346702691 576955 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time < 1346702692 248904 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1346702785 32755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in reality i suppose i gotta say im the happiest overall i've ever been < 1346702800 592335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1346702804 876497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in the past, i got higher highs, and lower lows < 1346702807 611793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss the higher highs < 1346702888 100028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that one trouble i had was bumping into the wrong crowd online < 1346702938 86551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no question that these were seriously fucked up people < 1346702980 392119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that chatroom pushed me over the edge < 1346703002 724649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of insanity that i haven't been able to shake < 1346703009 9630 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346703173 75716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346703181 76804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe balls < 1346703184 638412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346703199 987772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that won't survive but hey < 1346703220 473749 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mustn't dwell on it though < 1346703267 916056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep pondering whether to visit the dalnet #esoteric < 1346703291 83865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346703292 421395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1346703302 436396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346703332 773467 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1346703352 823415 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :start talkng about esolangs there < 1346703372 360954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its not as if they actually know anything < 1346703388 820873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said this i havent actually been to such places < 1346703415 870832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i thought that was the kind of place you were referring to, which is why i mentioned it < 1346703437 511660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something vaguely recalled about buddhism < 1346703447 858267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, the yahoo buddhism chatroom < 1346703468 117876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just not right in their heads < 1346703503 62368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ill put it this way < 1346703526 710753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only danger of any such chatrooms or such is psychological manipulation < 1346703748 458922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346703869 11005 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at #esoteric@dalnet there are only 3 people (including me) and no ops < 1346703964 591462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1346703978 75303 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not meaning that esoterica is bad, but it is surely wild and volatile < 1346703996 20070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my chances of finding the secrets to the universe there are essentially non-existent, then. < 1346704049 837500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of like the way that harley riders have some perception of being in gangs < 1346704249 338413 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346704344 11419 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsiepop < 1346704358 188086 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) please, serious esoteric answers only < 1346704367 283698 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@#esoteric < 1346704367 864575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1346704431 660695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clearly depends on how many angels can dance on it < 1346704453 710084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. there you can see he has swapped the word questions with answers < 1346704502 349552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume < 1346704522 216296 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nortti) (oerjan) that clearly depends on how many angels can dance on it < 1346704532 940143 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) okay stop trolling < 1346704694 96596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only angels have the patience not to bite into it! < 1346704714 930637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using their famous tootsie roll pop licking dance < 1346704829 937746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean any offence to zzo, or anyone, when being negative about esoterica < 1346704875 364090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo cares about esoterica? < 1346704886 235402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know :-D < 1346704904 129460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i saw him quit i worried if it was something i said < 1346704923 865730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think people often worry if it was something they said when someone quits after you say something < 1346704946 620985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346704952 646993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1346704968 576466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF MY SCARYCAPS < 1346705023 515098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1346705039 338300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the yahoo buddhism chatroom like < 1346705049 602579 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it full of, like, westerners who call themselves "buddhist" but know nothing about buddhism < 1346705053 790798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo managed to get all into the astrolog program purely (afaik) for the astronomical calculation possibilities < 1346705120 548547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i think someone joked about when "they" finally wake him up < 1346705143 644734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what < 1346705151 808346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wake who up < 1346705167 70062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs wake up < 1346705192 567357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14704 < 1346705213 530439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm.. .... i don't even know how to answer that... it was too weird to explain < 1346705278 602225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that will only find the literal string "wake up", btw < 1346705299 451617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had proponents of various forms of buddhism, platoists, a lot of arguing, sex lies and video tape :P < 1346705329 831577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably yes, :P < 1346705428 207561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs finally*wake < 1346705442 272145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7876 < 1346705460 848851 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346705462 355995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i write that query wrong? < 1346705474 839565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs finally*wake < 1346705481 691302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18790 < 1346705491 728696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just no results < 1346705500 185228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs *finally*wake* < 1346705504 599734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8439 < 1346705619 194372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: it's .* not * in regexps < 1346705644 122160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs .*finally.*wake.* < 1346705651 639473 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1346705657 669518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28185 < 1346705659 178112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no need for it at the beginning and end < 1346705661 217739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt think that one out carefully < 1346705677 800741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it didn't seem to hurt much < 1346705704 597062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs wake.*zzo < 1346705710 976178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17009 < 1346705725 763669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo.*wake < 1346705733 220796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3525 < 1346705765 953207 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that one has me on the trail < 1346705915 492865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-07-30 @ 01:14:20 < 1346706009 48841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all. really :P < 1346706069 497824 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nortti) (oerjan) using their famous tootsie roll pop licking dance < 1346706076 259869 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1346706088 149788 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :** VenusSatanas has joined #esoteric < 1346706223 853376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what horrible grammar, it should be VenusSatanis < 1346706244 140625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1346706248 199331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not < 1346706273 201971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't copy that, right? >:) < 1346706314 27361 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied it < 1346706338 819965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats nortti- -----### < 1346706350 569289 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why" < 1346706380 796061 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have copied everything you havevsaod about that < 1346706520 339925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn the latin link in wiktionary doesn't work < 1346706595 770402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or it could be intentionally wrong < 1346706633 533512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example of my delusions at play < 1346706723 493651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it can be either Satan or Satanas, but neither has a latin wiktionary item < 1346706743 53356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a latin dictionary, but yeah... < 1346706748 799675 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the headwords alone aren't enough < 1346706787 229546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is obviously nominative singular so _should_ be the headword < 1346706818 227840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1346707447 309975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: spam < 1346707493 387712 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@^roshi) Boo < 1346709131 715587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346709916 7685 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: night < 1346709930 252307 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-235-220.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346710022 132503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346711964 715177 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346713734 622986 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346714306 376042 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Quit: impomatic