< 1348792525 907533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:34 kmc left #haskell? < 1348792528 775961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:35 :( < 1348793246 674029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348793355 573390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348793705 224498 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reports of kmc's departure are greatly understated. < 1348793911 898806 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348794277 252655 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie where's that colour averaging thing you made < 1348794655 754036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clark County is home to many tax-conscious conservatives, who came to income-tax-free Washington but settled close enough to the border to shop in sales-tax-free Oregon." < 1348794704 952322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so do they only have to pay federal taxes then? < 1348794719 153247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, do they have to pay property tax too? < 1348794730 167120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1348794744 446209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other income-related federal taxes like social security and medicare < 1348794749 803784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aren't part of federal income tax proper < 1348794786 358561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not, but the federal income tax tacks it on. < 1348794802 772824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't know the law in WA specifically, but in general if you buy stuff tax-free in another state (or online) and bring it home, you might owe something to the state where you live < 1348794806 781898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use tax" < 1348794829 755594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it is in CA. < 1348794847 684389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, in WA too. < 1348794882 989365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NY they make a guess about how much shit you bought online based on your income < 1348794899 487009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and charge you that by default < 1348794906 546711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can / might be required to itemize it under some circumstances < 1348795018 800660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why Amazon has no engineering offices in Cambridge MA < 1348795040 818209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they did, then all Amazon purchases from MA would be subject to sales tax, because the company has operations in the state < 1348795095 456045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it sounds like the MA government is going to start requiring them to pay tax regardless < 1348795111 266829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they will open an engineering office < 1348795124 487536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hire MIT grads to work in the code mines < 1348795299 676039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :government gotta get paid < 1348795810 448726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rowan_Williams_-001.jpg < 1348795816 805012 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loving the cropping of this picture < 1348796083 403037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348796334 585147 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348796443 976163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19746994 love the infographic < 1348797405 413452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in Famicom Hangman I should have a time limit to push a letter, or a time limit to solve the puzzle, or both < 1348797575 149229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have other ideas, then I might put that in too. < 1348798614 812241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be able to read mail < 1348798671 58578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read mail? Why? How do you expect it? < 1348799001 433517 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348800726 964196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348801265 899084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348801633 503289 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348802491 961254 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348802670 859968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348802706 207463 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348804555 377147 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348804748 577269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348804874 580329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know how PaX KERNEXEC works on amd64? < 1348804892 505985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1348804916 393616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's KERNEXEC? < 1348804949 758991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the feature which prevents executing userspace memory while in kernel mode < 1348804953 402404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1348804958 670600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on i386 this is easily accomplished with segmentation < 1348804978 477763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on amd64 they instrument each ret and indirect jump/call in the kernel < 1348804992 56265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically they 'or' the target with 0x8000000000000000 < 1348805012 512940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the target was a userspace address, the resulting address is non-canonical and there is a general protection fault < 1348805048 3566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, makes sense. < 1348805057 803433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more efficient than a test + conditional branch, but is still kinda slow < 1348805062 177132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll stop working when we all get real 64-bit CPUs! < 1348805069 978421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make matters worse, you need to keep 0x8000000000000000 around in some register < 1348805087 222990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true! < 1348805132 793294 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348805138 600628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if ksplice could use gcc plugins usefully < 1348805161 424568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would only work for distros using newish GCC < 1348805185 185592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wonder if there is a good channel for geeking out about systems and security things < 1348805204 735282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ##systems which is pretty quiet. < 1348805239 516120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1348805265 112310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am easily annoyed by macho hacker personalities, which are common in security < 1348805278 739073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mainly pkhuong and sbahra. < 1348805314 728239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should start your own channel! < 1348805317 816286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1348805336 844762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be in it so you could tell me all the "shachaf: Did you know" things. < 1348805562 767928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of systems, i made a small stripboard circuit with a MAX232 equivalent and a GPS receiver and i’m running a stratum 1 NTP server now (for no particular reason). < 1348805574 24738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny < 1348805838 154201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh < 1348805848 955640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of the parens scoping discussion? < 1348805878 802680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you in there becasue of me. < 1348805985 380448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1348805998 304265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that I'd rather avoid discussions with that particular individual. < 1348807751 966911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348807786 325478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348814420 968297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy hi are you < 1348814421 202770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348814479 349714 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348814527 145023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part of the (AMD) manuals which speaks of canonical addresses specifically says that you shouldn't play tricks with them. < 1348814545 544064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose to be exact it just says not to stuff things in the unused bits, but I suppose that sorta-counts too. < 1348816197 82643 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348816819 129789 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348816819 362438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348816822 406467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1348816822 601338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 40m 2s ago: hi are you < 1348818708 924181 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348819178 855820 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348819183 759360 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1348819186 934687 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say ":)" < 1348819192 80675 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1348819192 887071 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really mean ":(" < 1348819195 740454 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1348819710 135597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I say :), and you say :(", isn't that from a Beatles song. < 1348819924 882615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi are you monqy < 1348819958 862976 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348819986 931439 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348820044 644373 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft froze and took my mouse with it, so I panickd < 1348820048 843035 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1348820059 857527 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need help with Ubuntu. Dare I join #ubuntu? < 1348820223 247251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound necessarily productive. < 1348820237 591463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have 1514 people in there. < 1348820247 758067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably a different number by now.) < 1348820253 543301 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1512 < 1348821112 301796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348821966 521325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD < 1348822011 470015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348822013 549054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348822068 32151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348824928 997352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348830322 68787 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what VRML feature I just noticed to be rare to nonexistent in other 3D chat things? A feature to make something always appear to be facing the camera < 1348830418 189962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The primary time to ask questions is when the teacher is in human form. At all other times please raise your hand. (this gesture is not yet implemented) < 1348830448 485758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the virtual-world context, that would be a very interesting statement to encounter. < 1348833236 665778 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348833305 841346 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348833313 990002 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348834713 259232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348834776 238639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348834783 656522 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348835127 941388 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348835133 447944 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348836949 638548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348837734 654023 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer Toshiba tech support to Samsung < 1348837739 440325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I show this image here? I think I showed this image here. Anyway, sunlight, it's fancy: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/sunshine.jpg < 1348837743 35049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also on the topic: naming files "csb.jpg", "p1.jpg", "test.jpg", "random.jpg" and so on makes it pretty hard to find a particular file later on.) < 1348837746 22121 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARGh < 1348837749 814590 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY SPELT MY NAME WRONG < 1348837761 482016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it turns out that random.jpg is a picture of a computer with hostname 'random'.) < 1348837766 782754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1348837775 487626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know nothing of having your name spelt wrong < 1348837790 446246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I think I beat you all on the topic < 1348837811 760811 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time my father had to write my name on an official paper, he asked me to show him my id < 1348837827 302527 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once booked into a hotel under the name "Random" < 1348837836 500247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you guys have it easy < 1348837869 201659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says my name wrong until they've been corrected for at least a month < 1348837877 661915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is (or at least was; maybe he/she changed it) a child in New Zealand named "Number 16 Bus Shelter". < 1348837882 482926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes people who have only ever heard my name, never seen it spelt < 1348837891 867105 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pronunciation, not spelling. < 1348837895 994351 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLETELY different. < 1348837907 606812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like mouth spelling! < 1348837913 516908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We speculated that that's where e was conceived.) < 1348837964 128843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10523288 -- includes other great child names, such as "Fish and Chips", "Sex Fruit" (rather descriptive), and the topic of the article, "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii". < 1348837986 911348 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the e who writes poems? < 1348837994 214649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A lawyer for Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii had reported the nine-year-old was so embarrassed about her name that she had not revealed it to her friends and was other wise known as 'K'." < 1348838078 430159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably similar lists from every country; I know I've seen one from Finland. (Even though both countries have rules about not allowing "offensive" names.) < 1348838115 514281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offensive to common sense < 1348838668 702543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that occasion the mother had named her daughter O.crnia but was prepared to concede to a condition of a parenting order so it could be adjusted to Oceania. < 1348838704 320403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the judge who made the girl's name official couldn't interpreted my handwriting wrong" < 1348838874 202440 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to see Black Holes and Revelations/The Resistance/The 2nd Law as a cycle of concept albums < 1348838905 622901 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348838962 498077 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348839016 385372 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Exogenesis Symphony happens either after the 2nd Law or millenia earlier < 1348839056 761860 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it goes quite well with "Animals" < 1348839058 706416 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1348839063 17152 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Explorers" < 1348840014 421863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348841214 734860 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348841250 635313 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348841919 417377 :io_!~io@66.85.173.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348842924 66595 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348843315 660567 :io_!~io@66.85.173.21 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348844044 405731 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348845885 316179 :i50640235!~unknown@32.141.234.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348845927 667261 :i50640235!~unknown@32.141.234.180 PART :#esoteric < 1348846194 731916 :ISteffyxo!~unknown@32.141.234.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348846309 640060 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348846318 329519 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348846323 874503 :ISteffyxo!~unknown@32.141.234.180 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348846523 983357 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348846551 969653 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348847310 538534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348847356 217065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Client Quit < 1348847609 293697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348848712 230853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348852424 223065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily piece of useless information: according to OED, 'triage' is pronounced as /ˈtraɪɪdʒ/, and "in sense 2 [assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses] also /trijaʒ/, /ˈtriːɑːʒ/". (I would've gone with the something like the latter options even in general.) < 1348852598 706956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Steam's Portal 2 update log mentions the item "Fixed performance issue with lasers", and I can't figure out whether that's "fixed (performance issue with lasers)" or "fixed (performance issue) with lasers". < 1348852764 332879 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former I suppose < 1348852774 781236 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never know! < 1348852842 82897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine Valve fixing things with lasers, it sounds appropriate. < 1348852900 871869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853115 901053 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853133 893526 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853175 483950 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348853848 589383 :strong!~strong@92.253.114.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853885 996288 :strong!~strong@92.253.114.50 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348855523 528043 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :OK people, we need a new featured language. NOW. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348855635 866196 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just feature slashes < 1348855886 442898 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go back and forth? That's a good idea X-D < 1348855994 604683 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348856019 159078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think you should pick a different one every time. < 1348856026 935192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless none are eligible. < 1348856057 397295 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that was the joke, zzo38) < 1348856215 638915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is arule not to nominate yourself, but I think it ought to be allowed if none others are eligible. < 1348856235 143669 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's an immediate need for that < 1348856248 872208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean now. < 1348856258 292591 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna double-suggest Malbonge, Underload, and Deadfish < 1348856343 818043 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is possible to ask someone really nicely to nominate your language < 1348856445 7793 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like everything about Funciton except for the interpreter being in C#. < 1348856514 451005 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-implement it in ORK < 1348856676 34744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what qualifies a language to be featured? < 1348856684 211915 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People suggesting it < 1348856690 268521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1348856690 463032 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it being good enough. < 1348856696 369383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1348856697 287985 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott making it featured < 1348856701 357241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it good enough < 1348856710 322921 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates < 1348856710 707966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Test™. < 1348856739 184091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1348856740 205516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1348856760 963324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will nominate Aubergine, even though I don't even know if it will pass The Test™ < 1348856776 767972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like it a lot < 1348856793 197409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not try to understand The Test™. Just know that The Test™ is watching you. Waiting. Testing®. < 1348856821 528245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1348856873 347280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not fear The Test™. < 1348856875 756999 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love The Test™. < 1348856879 60827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give yourself to The Test™. < 1348856913 76470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh, Test™! I do so love you! Take me now! Or let me take you! *swoon* < 1348856925 488049 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The Test™ < 1348856941 241336 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348856979 234373 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i fail? :( < 1348857017 436986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misspelling the name of The Test™ only affects how many Post-Test Morale Beatings™ you will receive. < 1348857117 6509 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, feel free to nominate Aubergine. < 1348857476 691173 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348859159 784499 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760977 < 1348859162 474987 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's news now? < 1348859233 564422 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348859252 964171 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348859328 132831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1348859334 964118 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1348859336 394827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: < 1348859339 975612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw < 1348859602 65947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Kipple is in the list, but I think its wiki page needs clarifications < 1348859611 121464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then fix it. < 1348859977 593063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348859996 963504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348860058 6152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: your request about 3-cell reversible brainfuck looks complicated :) < 1348860074 250357 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348860084 764693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ one can define reversible collatz functions, and do reversible minsky machines with them. < 1348860124 708379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one needs to do ordinary reversible brainfuck and/or turing machines with the minsky machines < 1348860138 550545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reversible collatz functions with the 3-cell brainfuck < 1348860170 613043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the usual path of reductions needs to be redone reversibly < 1348860195 741940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary=unbounded number of cells, but possibly with bounded values < 1348860403 771554 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think atriq needs a wiki page < 1348860405 199135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.159.2776 is prior work from the minsky machine part onwards < 1348860419 915995 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, why do you say that? < 1348860450 314440 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: because you're probably the most active user < 1348860455 640234 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are pretty known I think < 1348860456 561155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really not < 1348860459 125000 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want it yourself < 1348860470 981332 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you even said that once) < 1348860494 974123 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if I ought to make a page < 1348860504 254545 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decided against it? < 1348860505 405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing on the first page at least for collatz functions < 1348860557 669946 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: okay. I do find you deserve it though < 1348860670 982013 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what to think < 1348860779 60807 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is just my opinion of course < 1348860797 465713 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not a member of this community for a very long time < 1348860807 230960 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike most others < 1348860832 43707 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been hear just over a year < 1348860838 641588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1348860901 964364 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348861253 867994 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else's thoughts? < 1348861541 507620 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had such a page, what would be in it? < 1348861553 667619 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit about me? < 1348861568 13585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would of course have to mention the Hexham Anomaly < 1348861576 746024 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348861617 275892 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my lost programming language < 1348861628 307038 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually lost, merely kind of embarrassing) < 1348862402 883969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, new version of my kipple interpreter, going eve further away from the specs - now "i", "o", and "io" all refer to the same stack, which is actually not a stack < 1348862423 546041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a special stack called "i@" which is actually not a stack either, and can be used to input numbers < 1348862448 434044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To boldly go where no Kipple interpreter has gone before. < 1348862474 375690 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many esolangs < 1348862476 980863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any other ideas they are very welcome < 1348862514 578568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though at some point I might need to rewrite it all over, rather than adding stuff here and there in the code and hoping it will still work < 1348862538 591118 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note than now, (i+0) is a cat program < 1348862576 498846 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you "vote" for a featured language that is already a candidate? < 1348862586 878518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell elliott < 1348862595 209657 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1348862609 105765 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it takes a value from the input stack, duplicates it, and push the result to the input stack, which happens to be the output stack, and continue doing so until the input stack is empty, which happens when end of file has been reached) < 1348862729 17364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, vote eodermdrome! < 1348862793 493349 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of voting for that, but the one problem that I have is that there is no implementation available < 1348862807 811240 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries... OK, it turns out it is not a cat program, because the input stack is actually kind of a stack, which means i+0 only "peeks" at the top of the input stack (effectively reading a char from input and pushing it on the stack), and pushes a copy to output... so next iteration the same char will be read again... so it's actually a program that reads one char from input and prints it in an infinite loop
< 1348862824 22801 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the featured language should have an implementation that can be downloaded < 1348862843 817858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really written any substantial Kipple ever, so I don't have any ideas. I have just a vague feeling that the major impracticality in writing a larger Kipple program is the lack of any sensible way to do subroutines. (Then again, that's not very practical in many other languages either.) < 1348862844 299521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1348862845 59979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (i>o) or (o>i) or (io>io) or (i but cut way down" < 1348863042 385471 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that doesn't render an implementation unneeded, right? < 1348863067 742944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's necessary < 1348863087 769288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about a special execute stack that would execute chars pushed onto it as if they were kipple instructions < 1348863156 60431 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348863254 429447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it would be more handy to have an execute command that would execute a stack as a kipple program, but I like the idea to have special stacks only, and no more commands < 1348863309 234462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had such a visual interpreter for spiral once < 1348863324 194455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :until those people at the computer repair place erased it < 1348863345 352808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it acts as a regular stack, until a special "trigger" character is pushed onto it, at which point it executes itself < 1348863382 396898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can push your subroutines to stacks, and when you want to execute a subroutine, you push a copy a the right stack to the execute stack, then push the trigger character to the execute stack < 1348863465 435289 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could say that if it requires a special character, you could have *any* stack be executable, when the trigger character is pushed on them < 1348863486 961696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think none of those are the best idea. < 1348863516 156191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then to be able to use the trigger character on a stack, you'd have to escape it somehow < 1348863516 410015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, make one command which trigger the stack, what it does depend on which stack is selected (if it is not a special stack, it does nothing). < 1348863527 564455 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1348863530 295467 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1348863551 970062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though currently the input/output stack is already interactive, so they can't really be triggered < 1348863610 663050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that would mean using separate stacks for input and output again) < 1348863726 230886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could change it so that, it is input if you read the empty I/O stack, but otherwise you just read back the output, once triggered then its contents are send to output and it then becomes empty. Would this work? < 1348863866 286434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348863876 9638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my first version had separate input and output stacks < 1348863915 302093 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output stack was a regular stack, except with the side effect that when something had to be pushed onto it, it was printed out (but still pushed on the stack) < 1348863973 477873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the input stack was also a regular stack, except that if it was empty and something tried to pop it it would return a char read from stdin instead of 0 (other stacks return 0 when empty) < 1348864000 615514 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348864026 636700 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the new version I merged those two stacks, so trying to pop io would read a char from input, and trying to push x io would print x out (but not push it on any stack) < 1348864120 83569 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're suggesting that it become a regular stack, except that if it's popped when empty it returns a char from stdin instead of 0, and if it's triggered its content is outputted and it is then cleared? < 1348864131 825323 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I guess that would work < 1348864155 800766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some problems though - it is sometimes possible to "peek" instead of pop < 1348864189 84597 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A peek is just a dup followed by a pop on a stack < 1348864212 850080 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's troublesome when the in and out stacks are merged < 1348864236 176897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an anti-lazy evaluation < 1348864248 423799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance imagine the kipple program (i blabla) < 1348864264 658573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a loop that says "execute content of the loop until i is empty" < 1348864283 558538 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348864318 535799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know whether input is empty when using interactive io, my current solution is to read on char from io : if it's end of file then the stack is considered empty; else it is considered not empty, but that char must be kept for the next time someone tries to read i < 1348864379 440233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise the program "(i>o)", which is supposed to be a cat, would print only every other character) < 1348864392 764453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much how i feel too much of the time http://www.mezzacotta.net/owls/?comic=489 < 1348864435 453000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you're... < 1348864458 892166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T FINISH THAT SENTENCE OR I'LL KILL YOU < 1348864474 655986 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha you don't know where I live < 1348864481 951145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come to think of that, you probably do) < 1348864487 187912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348864488 615021 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean _all_! < 1348864496 49375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somethings telling me Belgium < 1348864506 690612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere on earth, close enough. you _did_ read the comic, i assume. < 1348864533 968324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slips off to steal the dea^Wpeace moon from darths & droids
< 1348864562 793953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was a complete coincidence (sponsored by the Heart of Gold spaceship) < 1348864669 932322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1348864816 656219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and I forgot to say, I added a super-useful-essential-and-revolutionary stack which is called "dump" and is always empty (everything that is pushed to it is destroyed instead) < 1348864867 748117 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it should be called "0" instead, seeing as popping it always gives a 0 but that would require too much modifications on the code for such a useless stack < 1348864911 596353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be called "zero". Or "null". < 1348864924 313849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea < 1348864931 808128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound a bit like /dev/zero. < 1348864948 631548 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good idea? < 1348864974 604451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >/dev/zero; echo success < 1348864985 451530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :success < 1348865006 296472 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Taneb < 1348865010 120917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1348865011 112126 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1348865014 656201 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Taneb < 1348865022 288601 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in the topic I have no idea < 1348865026 860584 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1348865029 604225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. < 1348865035 895881 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that narrows it down < 1348865038 650401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1348865041 746432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1348865046 313391 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348865049 863194 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1348865053 458168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​򔳷�wU�f2����.�Ƨ\Ӗ�!~��i���ꆡ.����B� < 1348865061 85507 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help at all < 1348865076 856176 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? help < 1348865079 931300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865096 462990 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348865098 943880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data written to a null or zero special file is discarded. Reads from the null special file always return end of file (i.e., read(2) returns 0), whereas reads from zero always return bytes containing zero (\0 characters)." I suppose it's arguable which it resembles more. < 1348865100 161369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1348865103 37862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865139 753307 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? reasons to not buy chocolate filled crossaints < 1348865142 373727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons to not buy chocolate filled crossaints? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865165 894017 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1348865170 490808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear proof that none exist < 1348865172 908631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw ꆡ before < 1348865179 362473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a trident with a bit sticking out < 1348865181 461188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross-saints. < 1348865182 249183 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im now not sure which is the correct spelling < 1348865204 355782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21 < 1348865207 24552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee. < 1348865210 874649 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20 < 1348865212 830458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how < 1348865214 111526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20's entry has been censored. < 1348865222 247377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus19 < 1348865225 489381 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus19? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865230 61962 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ever itidus19? < 1348865239 889643 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what a fantasist interpretation. It's clearly an ear with a bit sticking out < 1348865269 11793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: What sort of ear looks like that? < 1348865270 254870 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory i can be itidus22... but i think i didnt actually register it < 1348865271 602981 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348865273 764478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn itidus19 disappeared into a space-time anomaly < 1348865277 52702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865281 907273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make fun of my ears :( < 1348865350 750575 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a carry-over from chat networks where beginning or ending an id in _ is illegal < 1348865375 625033 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that is has never been explained to me < 1348865409 325506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :_FreeFull < 1348865417 338826 :_FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1348865429 546389 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, people valued such ids immensely and apparently some have indeed been traded for cash < 1348865505 723091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348865509 286211 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1348865521 255678 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1348865524 293452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1348865531 564876 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1348865534 358327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1348865543 411141 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ocaml < 1348865546 527146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865562 709036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1348865565 624781 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :random example found in google http://ilegal-id.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/long-undy.html < 1348865565 819560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865577 487621 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1348865580 957260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1348865607 733393 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. < 1348865610 809546 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865614 362235 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: sometimes reality is more ridiculous than fiction < 1348865614 565556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1348865617 509776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. < 1348865639 782200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wikipedia < 1348865640 160887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1348865640 545801 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1348865643 839303 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865653 559392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ignoring me? :( < 1348865656 552906 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1348865662 158347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1348865663 860984 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too close together, perhaps < 1348865669 369417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865670 256242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1348865685 576320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol < 1348865689 244773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1348865698 523355 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1348865701 857937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1348865710 466253 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1348865713 618824 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1348865719 453155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348865727 777099 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More information about this mysterious "Taneb" < 1348865740 123960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: iirc, you are Taneb < 1348865748 193091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, who knows? < 1348865758 887452 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me, and evidently you) < 1348865760 550835 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that doesn't really help < 1348865761 130472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS INFORMATION IS CLASSIFIED < 1348865766 375963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I certainly don't < 1348865774 243858 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know, is soon I must sleep < 1348865777 292484 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: GOODNIGHT < 1348865833 782074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his house at Hexham, atriq waits dreaming. < 1348865839 324272 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it helps a lot < 1348865881 405872 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be strange though is reading about someone and not realizing it is you < 1348866022 725271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes have the opposite problem with people with similar names to mine < 1348866049 421723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Isn't it "dead atriq waits dreaming"? < 1348866056 609500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did I write this? I have no memory of that!" < 1348866138 24368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sighs.. and prepares to say something weird < 1348866181 590783 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if.. some species, presumably humans, had an organ which was a tictactoe board < 1348866199 300197 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to humans all being different, it would have to differ somehow between individuals < 1348866224 501626 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not so much a tictactoe board but an embodiment of the game of tictactoe < 1348866245 425519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of evolution of the toe? < 1348866275 914738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq tac toe < 1348866288 434620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe tic-tac toes would have mint glands < 1348866357 930019 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that its like how almost everyone has 8 fingers, and almost everyone has dna < 1348866371 470312 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet each finger differs < 1348866405 997041 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .. theres nothing profound to be found in this < 1348866419 95912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 fingers? I counted 10 at last count < 1348866421 921227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348866560 981170 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :using analysis.. i think it is impossible to take any physical sample of 2 humans and find them to be identical < 1348866653 148427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are youa llowed to take them from the same human? < 1348866700 876576 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so.. < 1348866724 833058 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may well generalize to all matter < 1348866773 542801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there are two distincts samples, then Ocaml's == operator would always return false < 1348866792 172250 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll follow atriq's neat example < 1348866801 246602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the rest of the night! < 1348866891 281544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not helping headache < 1348866951 763367 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: about you comment on *brainfuck, I did not mean to say I put it in the brainfuck-equivalent category because it was TC; I meant that 1) it was trivial to translate a brainfuck program into *brainfuck, and 2) the other way around was probably irrelevant seeing as how *brainfuck's additions were not really useful at all < 1348866979 800808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't agree. < 1348867010 796214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also allowing pointers probably gives it a more than linear speedup to brainfuck in some cases. < 1348867017 48597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it probably doesn't belong to that category < 1348867026 6624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I hadn't considered that < 1348867026 410289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to having extra tapes in a turing machine < 1348867126 822849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i really like your idea about a null stack < 1348867148 939648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: I almost not implemented it because I thought it was not useful at all < 1348867155 27851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Isn't it "dead atriq waits dreaming"? <-- i considered it, but the dead atriq is a racehorse. < 1348867178 223873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could use any stack as a null stack and just "pretend" it's empty < 1348867206 408846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect theres more to this idea < 1348867219 587514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though if you actually want to free memory because you're inside a very long (or infinite) loop and don't want leaks...) < 1348867244 611263 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just cant get my head around it < 1348867295 511232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm gonna read some pages of my book and go to sleep - if you have any idea you want to share, feel free to @tell me or to leave a message on User_talk:Koen < 1348867303 527073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: In that case you could manually dump it every now and then; 0>z? is pretty elegant-looking. < 1348867306 223457 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you < 1348867334 241267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reasons I always forget about the ? command < 1348867366 410172 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, every ten minutes I tell myself "hmm, kipple seriously like a way to destroy information..." < 1348867374 277667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lack/like < 1348867402 977574 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348868686 48895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can peek instead of pop, what you can have is, if you peek an empty I/O stack, you get input which is then pushed onto the stack, so if you peek and then trigger then it copies input to output. < 1348868773 858068 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348869131 528670 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348869560 899415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I have the dream where I recognized something as myself even though it is not; it is myself in real life but different from the myself in the dream. Actually, involving some memories from one myself remembered by the other myself even though they are actually two distinct people. < 1348869580 699817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could tell it is different, too; just that I knew some of their memories. < 1348870599 241697 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348870915 363527 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was pondering < 1348870932 475020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have been advised to play http://haxathon.com/ < 1348871067 231857 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some special value 5 whereby, a * 5 = 5, a + 5 = 5, a - 5 = 5, a / 5 = 5, for all values of a, and you had another similar special value 4, then it would seem 4 * 5 = 4 ? 5 < 1348871140 339080 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe what i am doing is really just writing fallacies < 1348871176 721273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well that's more or less how you prove a group has just one identity, a ring just one zero, and similar things < 1348871249 14862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1348871464 795616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I play that? < 1348871508 509626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1348871509 317748 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348871510 661589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't started yet < 1348871518 399993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a blog post i should finish up before i fall down any more rabbit holes < 1348871910 526868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote rabbit < 1348871910 734235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarism says: wo utilizing any tricks, i want 20 miljon rabbits to mate with each other once.. how many mate event will there be < 1348871933 984732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote rabbit < 1348871934 218836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarism says: wo utilizing any tricks, i want 20 miljon rabbits to mate with each other once.. how many mate event will there be < 1348871988 827590 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348872108 973191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today the zero width non-breaking space character came in handy < 1348872275 253153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348872396 436002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *victory* < 1348873928 657331 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvbvtjpblslttltm QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348874893 896971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348874931 234690 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Interesting. < 1348874951 947772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348875216 553150 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348875586 710008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348876486 981760 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving