< 1350259225 224371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as hardy as stop-karts < 1350259325 769618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those real russian words? < 1350259329 818052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :up there a bit < 1350259333 165949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google can't translate most of them < 1350259347 649447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :хьюэлоняющие < 1350260373 993468 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah i didn't know kmc was still alive! < 1350260382 901261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi luite < 1350260386 707617 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc :) < 1350260392 685824 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you coming to bahug? ;) < 1350260651 229197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't lie, you'd play webcarting. < 1350260674 814081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I would < 1350260788 648452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went go-karting once < 1350260791 242463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was terrifying < 1350260808 960396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost went drunk go-karting in montenegro but decided against it < 1350260811 953216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse i am lame < 1350260887 63459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '@' - ord 'r' < 1350260888 546528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -50 < 1350261419 77647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '@' < 1350261420 169433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 64 < 1350261425 737168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ord < 1350261426 706955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Int < 1350261455 316601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ord in? < 1350261474 518580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude < 1350261523 769944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't < 1350261538 8948 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not according to ghci < 1350261544 241167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1350261595 551804 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, i’m back and i felt like doing it. toList t = toList' (:) t []; toList' f (Leaf a) = f a; toList' f (Node t) = toList' (\(a,b) -> f a . f b) t < 1350261678 563181 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toList' needs a type signature, type inference seems unable to handle it. toList' :: (a -> b -> b) -> Tree a -> b -> b < 1350261679 446196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Data.Char < 1350261694 845229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: This is data Tree a = Leaf a | Node (Tree (a, a)) right? < 1350261699 900142 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350261723 917275 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This will be of great use to me < 1350261723 998026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Doesn't this work? toList (Leaf a) = [a]; toList (Node t) = toList (fmap fst t) ++ toList (fmap snd t) < 1350261746 350896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I have toList (Leaf x) = [x]; toList (Node t) = concatMap (\(x,y) -> [x,y]) (toList t) < 1350261757 228244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also needs a type signature. < 1350261762 945487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is more efficient, I guess. < 1350261796 187931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Now write fromList! < 1350261803 410529 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: toList (Node (Node (Leaf ((4,5),(6,7))))) = [4,6,5,7] < 1350261851 987837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: s/++/`interleave`/ then? < 1350261893 805002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get elliott's behavior if I use unzip instead of the thing I did. < 1350261922 264164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ion's implementation is obviously wrong because it's ugly < 1350262016 714914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350262430 357269 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldMap f (Leaf a) = f a; foldMap f (Node t) = foldMap (\(a,b) -> f a <> f b) t < 1350262448 157216 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get toList for free < 1350262668 22899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't your toList' just fold with a wonky argument order anyway < 1350262693 685310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: btw fold > foldMap < 1350262703 566277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's actually more awkward here though :/ < 1350262721 854848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fold (Leaf a) = a; fold (Note t) = fold $ fmap (uncurry mappend) t? < 1350262861 55218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: what's the one that isn't twisted neumatic called < 1350262866 862375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPS, thanks < 1350262923 295904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh you can get IPS monitors cheapish nowadays?? < 1350262925 479091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monqy < 1350263006 658183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are pretty cheap now < 1350263014 333621 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that works. But you’ll also have to define foldMap f = fold . fmap f (or alternatively, foldr). < 1350263030 119706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: pretty sure that's a default in Foldable < 1350263045 155476 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alas, it isn’t. < 1350263059 257119 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default foldMap uses foldr and the default foldr uses foldMap. < 1350263083 948863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah this ASUS one is surprisingly cheap ($175 for 23" LED/IPS), downsides are seemingly that it has a really ugly placement of buttons jutting out from the bottom that would annoy me endlessly & that it actually has less than 96 ppi < 1350263088 489844 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://techreport.com/review/23291/those-27-inch-ips-displays-from-korea-are-for-real < 1350263093 297115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's asus and I seem to recall their displays are shit < 1350263098 216069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1350263106 57265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is they started selling bad IPS displays < 1350263135 480584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it brags about 5 ms response time too < 1350263141 163441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no-brand korean IPS monitors for really cheap < 1350263164 913654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion apparently just linked to that < 1350263172 353530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :27" is too big though :( i'm too small to use a 27" display < 1350263199 131954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.overclock.net/t/1225919/yamakasi-catleap-monitor-club < 1350263202 796964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1350263221 320417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have three dell IPS monitors at work < 1350263257 892272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they look too high-ppi for 2012 < 1350263267 263031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i spent an unreasonable amount of money on them < 1350263278 26815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is still using pixels so I cannot buy a high-enough ppi monitor without annoyingness :( < 1350263315 815615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a 24" 16:10 monitor i like the Dell U2412M < 1350263318 781002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about $300 at newegg < 1350263335 585203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1350263340 299429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't actually buy things from newegg because i am in the uk < 1350263346 355693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find stuff on newegg and then pray someone sells it in the UK < 1350263349 962633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1350263354 514077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm sure someone does sell this < 1350263358 762332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is always for like twice the price when I do < 1350263364 191851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually don't sell to UK or is the exchange rate just horrible? < 1350263371 234530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't ship to uk < 1350263374 673581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least < 1350263376 3514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't years ago < 1350263377 379705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they do now < 1350263385 472123 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Say hi from me to the queen. < 1350263413 260424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this one is 8 ms, it must be good < 1350263419 716167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've heard you basically pay the same number of pounds as the US dollar price :/ < 1350263426 512830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for electronics in the UK < 1350263427 332209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to judge monitors: look at the advertised response time < 1350263429 579988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher it is, the better < 1350263439 330092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the dynamic contrast ratio. < 1350263484 975985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1350263496 981381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm annoyed that the 14" displays are always 1920xwhatever < 1350263507 257321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ppi!!!!! so low!! < 1350263509 379513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1350263509 899113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :24" < 1350263511 993356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all displays are 1920xwhatever basically < 1350263516 690602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350263535 542736 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/E00nl.gif < 1350263541 36504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i hear dell monitors are good < 1350263544 108416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I should just look at those < 1350263548 922760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheap Korean ones are 2560×something < 1350263573 827974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get an IBM T221 < 1350263590 108581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :conspicuous consumption and all that < 1350263609 93222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully the PC hardware industry will copy apple's retina display, like they copy everything else < 1350263617 464773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Indeed. < 1350263637 30058 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :About time to get a bit less sucky DPI values. < 1350263640 374006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/IBM_T221.jpg < 1350263647 109904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibm t221, because you don't want to be able to see your xterms < 1350263664 6495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it actually shows itself as multiple displays to the graphics card or whatever < 1350263670 765676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to set up a multi-monitor OS setup to get it working < 1350263712 690833 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, someone i know on IRC has one. < 1350263733 732847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only updates at 41 Hz :/ < 1350263765 390746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you only get so much from 2001 tech < 1350263847 556690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[You see, shortly after I mentioned on Twitter that I'd ordered one of these monitors, my friend Jeff Atwood of StackOverflow and SuperUser fame decided to order three of them on my "recommendation." Vaguely terrified, I tried to explain that my review was still forthcoming, but he wasn't dissuaded.]] < 1350263849 749959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks jeff atwood < 1350263879 510568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you forgot to mention how the buttons are broken < 1350263899 408082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i am the kind of awful person who uses their display at full brightness always < 1350263946 613901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1350263948 878625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buttons are just complicated < 1350263949 918964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1350263960 404747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buttons? You don’t need buttons where we are going. < 1350263993 953202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I fairly quickly realized that the flashing power LED above the buttons was an indicator: the faster or slower it flashed, the higher or lower the volume." < 1350264017 673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a good thing i don't have any use for in-monitor speakers < 1350264021 40059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ha ha LED that flashes constantly < 1350264026 818855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Please tell your Amazon to ship (sorry, “dispatch”) my booke quickly. < 1350264031 20647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :theff atwood < 1350264054 344775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: sorry but amazon is a bookstore not a bookestore looks like you got mislead!!! < 1350264058 892726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like to think that quote is about the T221 < 1350264064 656292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookstor < 1350264085 810787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bokehstore < 1350264130 728710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry it's about the korean things < 1350264133 288213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sory < 1350264153 266130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to live in a world where equipment does not have awful status LEDs < 1350264206 767421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i disable them < 1350264215 267046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack your annoying LED using tape < 1350264221 97321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's work though < 1350264222 272683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes tape works < 1350264224 961585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tape is also sort of gross < 1350264230 757093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one computer i soldered a 10 kΩ resistor in series with the power LED < 1350264256 953389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i bet i could sell a power LED dimmer that just plugs into the motherboard header < 1350264287 236747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i could sell the Y3TI MUTILAT0R XTREME GAMER EDITION of that for $50 < 1350264321 767177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know what happens next in this annual effort to upgrade my computer to something better than a toshiba half-laptop-half-netbook-from-a-few-years-ago < 1350264326 2156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's keyboard obsessiveness :( < 1350264607 926601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The fact that these two monitors are in a dead heat in response times comes as little surprise, since they both appear to lack an internal chip dedicated to scaling or other forms of image processing. Such chips enable all sorts of nice features, but they're also one of the primary contributors to input lag." < 1350264615 397534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I wonder what these are listed as in product descriptions so I can avoid them < 1350264642 861708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually care that much about lag < 1350264663 100889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it depends what you mean by care < 1350264664 918473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't monitors regularly get sub 10ms latency even with processing? < 1350264671 693636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to at least pretend to care to myself < 1350264683 707071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day my monitor crashed such that half the screen was overlaid with noise < 1350264689 769924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rebooting the monitor fixed it < 1350264725 942192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mission of all tech is to introduce as many points of failure as possible < 1350264802 825423 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees
< 1350264938 375449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know anything about the current state of SSDs? I am several years out of the loop < 1350264965 428661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are a lot of credible alternatives now < 1350264979 480035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.storagereview.com/best_drives < 1350264992 856683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the intel drives were worth anything last time I checked, which was a long time ago < 1350264997 479855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except some OCZ stuff was ok too or something < 1350265007 373661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's how it was when i bought my first SSD < 1350265015 362300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now Intel is still good but there are viable alternatives < 1350265058 826448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose capacity is high enough to use SSDs exclusively without being rich yet < 1350265071 848924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this laptop just has a 256 gigabyte drive, but it's sort of not ideal < 1350265076 942755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently bought a 240 GB Intel SSD 520 < 1350265078 930209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for $250 < 1350265095 164851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm happy with it so far < 1350265106 839128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop has an older Intel X25-M 80 GB < 1350265118 60424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find 80 GB is plenty of local storage < 1350265157 522996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i'm only running one OS and it's Linux < 1350265177 115074 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 120 GB OCZ Vertex 3. I’ve been happy with it. < 1350265180 89887 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350265196 912718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it depends what you mean by "local" < 1350265199 842676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all my TV shows and music and such on a 10 TB fileserver < 1350265207 655278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i can sshfs-mount when i am at home < 1350265210 962188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use one computer at a time, so pretty much everything gets centralised < 1350265288 409609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a laptop and a file server and a desktop at work < 1350265306 419399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an ec2 instance which just runs irssi and finch < 1350265527 684059 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i find 80GB too small for my laptop, got a samsung 830 256gb recently :) < 1350265589 982743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1350265624 723412 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350265805 427155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1350265822 813574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I also make bacon unicorn references on Twitter." < 1350265826 713668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will get a new laptop soon, and it will have more space because SSD space is so cheap now < 1350265829 85610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sure does win the prize for worst by-line ever < 1350265990 884162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as cheap as HDD yet < 1350266044 293756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but much cheaper than when i bought that 80 GB SSD back in 2009 < 1350266300 944249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hardware prices do tend to go down for PC stuff < 1350266339 650076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :keen observation < 1350266488 120044 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1350266539 988598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull really has a way of stating obvious < 1350266571 572758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see they have started pushing the clock speed of processors back up < 1350266577 724239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dialing back the core numbers < 1350266675 544849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that? < 1350266689 735537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new thing is "Turbo Boost" or whatever < 1350266701 181490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that if only one core is active, it can use a higher clock than the max clock of allcores together < 1350266709 466560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the limiting factor is heat dissipation < 1350266741 80880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is this "Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K" (catchy name) < 1350266748 717359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time the i7s were all like sub-3 ghz but 8-core < 1350266759 65016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt they were 8 core < 1350266773 833660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might have been erroneously advertised as such when they are 4 core with hyperthreading < 1350266804 926335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were < 1350266816 9812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, how long ago was that < 1350266819 492778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1350266820 685229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1350266826 549217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1350266834 206242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i am thinking of the nehalem xeon < 1350266917 565449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't think they have shipped more than 6 cores in a non-xeon chip < 1350266962 326407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I forgot computer cases are the land of living hell < 1350266970 607803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is terrible < 1350266997 84870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah your choices are ugly beige box or some ridiculous blinged out monstrosity with a plexi cutout of a dragon fucking a robot < 1350267014 193601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like the Antec Three Hundred; it is a rare exception < 1350267026 839235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to remember deciding to buy an antec case last time < 1350267040 650975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has good cable management stuff on the inside < 1350267060 633120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other recommendation is don't buy fans smaller than 120 mm if you care about noise < 1350267078 967845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and seal all places where dust might get in, with fan filters or just tape over them < 1350267111 729274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I was sufficiently obsessive to develop Opinions about fans last time < 1350267114 960287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I can remember some of that by now < 1350267132 440083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why I never get anything done) < 1350267189 745980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133188 wow look at this thing < 1350267194 783669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mess < 1350267214 347268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should make an art exhibit filled with insane computer cases < 1350267251 12017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called every brick and mortar computer store < 1350267277 173839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is super ridiculous < 1350267296 9843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a transformer < 1350267392 337166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147111 as a small cheap case but it's out of production or something < 1350267423 357497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042 appears reasonable < 1350267442 124635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did the computer industry work out what kind of ATX it likes best yet < 1350267452 336900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep i have that one < 1350267455 927471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the antec three hundred < 1350267456 873160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good < 1350267467 412298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember deciding to get an Antec P182 last time, but apparently they don't exist now!! < 1350267473 220039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shrug < 1350267484 843370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *-ATX fits in a straight ATX case. < 1350267488 89281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a big case then it doesn't matter < 1350267489 5983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1350267500 263688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a small case then you might need a micro-ATX motherboard < 1350267506 738177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really that small < 1350267514 748732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there are more smaller-than-ATX mobos and cases than ATX stuff nowadays < 1350267528 442881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other *-ATX stuff is just smaller versions of ATX; they fit in a full ATX case, you just have a lot of empty space. < 1350267547 937980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of mobos are micro-ATX, yeah, because they don't need more space < 1350267558 486506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's larger variants too but you are probably not getting them. < 1350267565 126105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller stuff like mini-ITX is not compatible though < 1350267577 676177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit RAM is cheap these days < 1350267586 516115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even cheaper than it was before < 1350267588 238051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350267590 824484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah seriously < 1350267593 132713 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, RAM is cheaper than fuck. < 1350267602 191992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can get 4 GB for like $15 < 1350267606 502243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get a good fuck for that < 1350267612 847627 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1350267637 500747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted I could buy 64 gigabytes of ram for $285 < 1350267646 188369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses I have for 64 gigabytes of RAM: < 1350267673 166087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah who even needs a SSD then < 1350267677 529634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your files will be cached forever < 1350267687 52878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welcome back < 1350267694 277048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: weren't you just here a second ago < 1350267699 343306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1350267745 254679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can convince myself buying 32GB of RAM for $140 is at all reasonable < 1350267755 572902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need it < 1350267778 973631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's the main problem :( < 1350267780 720551 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure some starving kids in africa could make much better use of all that ram < 1350267788 845698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly monqy < 1350267792 918460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have computers in africa < 1350267808 438124 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you need 64GB for debugging ghc! < 1350267823 72032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :luite: you mean you need 64GB for compiling anything with ghc :P < 1350267831 64820 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1350267842 946159 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is phantom hoovere blogging about brainfuck now < 1350267865 306513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is taneb blogging about brainfuck now < 1350267875 849197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :africa is such a poor country < 1350267927 7019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc, luite, elliott, monqy, africa < 1350267941 958777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pleasure 2 meet u" < 1350267980 652989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do you think I feel with a measly 8GB? < 1350267996 216803 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how many gb I have but I think it might be 2 < 1350267998 824840 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 4 < 1350268000 141465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got 4. < 1350268004 910464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's nortti < 1350268007 716380 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I'm using a few-years-old system. < 1350268017 982485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which only faintly resembles modernity. < 1350268019 935940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got 4 and I run out just browsing the web < 1350268021 255262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks 2012 < 1350268021 984226 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new systems are for losers < 1350268041 351671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you calling me a loser!!! < 1350268043 375531 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash player nearly makes my computer grind to a halt < 1350268044 442523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get it so it's quite usable, though. < 1350268049 212846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now use LXDE and Opera. < 1350268050 344330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you use a dumpster computer < 1350268057 617708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Did you write fromList yet? < 1350268058 464602 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes it's fine < 1350268060 886290 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using 2.6 gigs for tons and tons of tabs. < 1350268061 718606 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other times it grinds to a halt < 1350268062 448065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: xmonad uses less RAM than lxde < 1350268063 446680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smug
< 1350268075 928069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1350268090 661802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know what uses less RAM than xmonad? < 1350268096 24313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LXDE is a non-revolting DE. < 1350268104 815825 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Nah, i’m playing FTL. < 1350268105 79056 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't make X leak like a sieve. < 1350268111 526634 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(XFCE has X resource leaks.) < 1350268113 464272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is it @ < 1350268124 50569 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it twm < 1350268125 271183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Should I acquire FTL? < 1350268125 720290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: xmonad is a non-(revolting DE) < 1350268134 773959 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. It’s great. < 1350268135 593475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was thinking of Windows 3.11. < 1350268136 876986 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of what's hot and new, what's the language of the future these days < 1350268141 494207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why yes, yes it is. < 1350268145 337451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Does it require OpenGL to run? :-( < 1350268148 24706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have OpenGL. < 1350268151 448843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love dumpster computers < 1350268154 472559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dumpsters < 1350268155 585032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear FTL is a good roguelikelike except for the last bit which is bad < 1350268161 938477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's actually a roguelike if you just press pause all the time < 1350268167 136904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend made really good pear bread from some pears from the whole foods dumpster < 1350268178 82273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(good rogue)like < 1350268196 24999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do consumer motherboards support ECC RAM yet < 1350268209 359089 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d expect it to work well enough with software OpenGL implementations, but it might not. In any case, this is the best place to get it since you’ll get the DRM-free versions (Linux, too) as well as a Steam key. http://www.ftlgame.com/ < 1350268221 283602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I don't even have software GL. < 1350268229 730939 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's good roguelikelike except for i hear you need specific stuff or attack power or something to deal with the last bit. i don't know anything else about ftl < 1350268236 336008 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are just the things everyone talks about < 1350268239 453899 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what ftl actually is < 1350268241 537759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: right I hear the final boss ``cheats'' < 1350268252 474210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by not letting you use a bunch of playstyles that are viable up to that point < 1350268256 251477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh no! < 1350268261 29610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can i ``cheat'' too? < 1350268273 680555 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boss is a challenge, but it’s winnable. < 1350268279 896422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf final.boss < 1350268285 185877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how do u like that" < 1350268288 735013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not to my knowledge < 1350268298 431668 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sometime in the future I'll play a game < 1350268299 673595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hooray < 1350268303 483101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some high end enthusiast ones < 1350268322 305968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not because it would slow down kill3r overclockzzzz < 1350268377 925027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a server board in a desktop of course < 1350268386 669483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some drawbacks, like the onboard video is probably enormously shit < 1350268408 850518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did this at ksplice and the onboard video literally could not handle moving windows around on a normal 2D linux desktop < 1350268416 42322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1350268416 669893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had like 8 MB of VRAM < 1350268425 914573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i plan to buy a video card of some sort < 1350268432 739272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since intel integrated graphics are still shit right < 1350268436 507450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for having good linux support < 1350268446 528883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're pretty good < 1350268456 901628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all laptops with integrated graphics have intel < 1350268472 517120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't expect to play the latest games on high settings < 1350268509 613468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how else can I delay the feeling of having spent an awful lot of money on a computer that is totally excessive for my needs < 1350268533 633129 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why don’t you have OpenGL? < 1350268545 360913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you better buy at least two high end video cards < 1350268546 283161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: nvidia optimus < 1350268555 516967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like pessimus am i right < 1350268562 499954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-( < 1350268613 289863 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn’t mesa work on anything? < 1350268638 822718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to get any xorg.conf to work. < 1350268704 891982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix your xorg.conf < 1350268768 32091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't I can do this alone. It'll have to be a joint effort. < 1350268771 997881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: remember that terrible optimus keyboard < 1350268793 6225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350268809 205795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was terrible? < 1350268928 520717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was extremely expensive because it has an OLED display under each key < 1350268940 825028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also make a much cheaper (still too expensive one) which just has transparent keys over a LCD < 1350268948 799472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound terrible to me. < 1350268960 154287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably sucks as a keyboard, i dunno < 1350268964 975670 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *look* at my keys. < 1350268990 385586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just imagine the amazing Compose-key customizations you could make to it! < 1350268992 439949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much a real product as an art / concept prototype, which people with far too much money could order on a small run basis < 1350268995 590557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1350268996 186423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1350268998 506282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the best < 1350269027 490925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: in theory it would be useful for learning the keyboard shortcuts for a new application < 1350269039 801680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, if the programs actually knew about it < 1350269115 178131 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if I felt like learning the kana layout. < 1350269146 449093 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though to do that "right" I'd probably also need the weird extra keys... < 1350269151 943086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_ kana be bothered. < 1350269155 851111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the black keys < 1350269163 893229 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones that would be right where the groove in my spacebar are. < 1350269164 234897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it would be more accurate to say that he ain't kana. < 1350269175 396846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, I've got a freaking groove worn in my spacebar) < 1350269351 252313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read "i've got a freaking grove worm in my spacebar" < 1350269376 311342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read "three men in a boat" < 1350269383 507560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1350269388 290458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that after you told me to < 1350269404 443470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100605031305/spyro/images/6/67/Grove_Worm.png < 1350269435 847211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know it's a thing < 1350269686 109180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java 2 Electrical Engineer < 1350269713 958369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read TaPL? < 1350269723 808183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350269728 491652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of ATaPL < 1350269744 208333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good to read if I want to learn more about type systems? < 1350269748 526195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the difference between Sandy Bridge and Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge? :( < 1350269748 894598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350269757 738880 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivy bridge is the new generation < 1350269775 579637 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is some xeon version < 1350269794 829704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why are they selling consumer processors with E then? < 1350269805 385393 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1350269815 206619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivy Bridge is newest, it's the same architecture as Sandy but shrunk to 22 nm process, and with some minor additional features < 1350269851 689186 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-E is high end i7 and Xeon. < 1350269861 274836 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1350269861 355815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, it's *also* some consumer models. < 1350269861 578045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hardware RNG < 1350269865 585554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ivy Bridge is what you want. < 1350269866 327073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a semi useless kernel security feature < 1350269893 765328 :luite!~luite@luite.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and faster gfx < 1350269901 320234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7s sure do seem more expensive than last time... I guess because now there's the whole i3/i5 split < 1350269916 641236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Better wait for Haswell. < 1350269921 664701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell is the future. < 1350269940 667608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can wait 'til June. < 1350269960 911322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is Haswell like Haskell? < 1350269968 505924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. (No.) < 1350269973 238763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean yes. < 1350269980 610032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it has transactional memory!!!! < 1350269984 752328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nah, it's the latest tock iteration of Intel's design cycle. < 1350269992 805025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, HTM. < 1350269995 15594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Isn't it a tick iteration? < 1350270005 31252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they aren't at single-digit nanometers yet < 1350270013 840859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects pikhq_'s clocks go backwards.
< 1350270017 713222 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, tick is the die shrink. < 1350270024 760996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1350270028 379107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's my clocks, then. < 1350270032 31909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they have the major changes on tock? < 1350270033 759513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really stupid. < 1350270033 840140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's Intel's clocks. < 1350270045 117621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Beats me. < 1350270048 703409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Intel's clocks aren't getting faster anymore. :-( < 1350270049 695943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: we know our clocks better, rght? < 1350270051 724937 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes a lot more sense for tock to be the die shrink. < 1350270063 608035 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Instructions-per-clock keeps going up at least. < 1350270086 566205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should get a 32-core machine like kmc. < 1350270092 212113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 < 1350270095 653870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not mine < 1350270097 360441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if kmc donates the funds. < 1350270101 86190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should get a 48-core machine like kmc. < 1350270103 162569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compile colonels on it. < 1350270110 109556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i built it for ksplice and it's probably sitting unused in some oracle warehouse now < 1350270129 442569 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell will apparently have 10% higher instructions-per-cycle than Ivy Bridge. < 1350270139 256093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: c'mon, where's my money < 1350270151 316519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think we are joking, or making with the funny stuff < 1350270875 214909 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, a hay competition: http://ubuntuone.com/0FaPo5mnm0KHJ1M4W1P6US < 1350271809 666638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings! < 1350271853 130799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Help, is my type broken? < 1350271931 70877 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you should simply use a dynamically typed language. < 1350273262 158947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I mean my Tree type. < 1350273267 989852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It made sense before but now I don't get it. < 1350273273 315948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the Humble Bundle ebooks worth reading? < 1350273276 463699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15 That would be something like data Tree k a = One k a | Two (Tree k (k,a,a))? < 1350273283 670718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom < 1350273391 626558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Your Tree type is known, IIRC. < 1350273398 908149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a humble ebook bundle now? shit < 1350273401 14048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1350273408 226350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has properties. < 1350273476 660736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it even valid? < 1350273489 386824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it but now I don't know how it works. < 1350273589 81128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these all sound pretty good < 1350273600 836958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for doctorow's book, which sounds terrible < 1350273604 925087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never really liked anything he wrote < 1350273663 557447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't buy anything with a Doctorow book in it just on principle. < 1350273691 801815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's wrong with Doctorow? < 1350273709 801865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott would arrange the bundle such that you get a Doctorow book unless you pay more than the average. < 1350273780 660103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha shachaf < 1350273786 78687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know, I've been ignoring him for the forseeable past on account of him being annoying. < 1350273805 930622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :down and out was boring < 1350273813 814730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I seem to remember he has a penchant for oversimplification. < 1350273814 446663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't give a shit about disneyland < 1350273841 803250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the futuristic post-singularity stuff was pretty standard sci-fi fare by the time i read it < 1350273864 632519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of his other stuff just beats you over the head with politics. < 1350273870 353517 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obnoxious *even if you agree with him*. < 1350273876 253988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastern standard tribe was ok but i don't recall really enjoying it at any point < 1350273882 742535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you read The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect? < 1350273885 959034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... certainly a book. < 1350273887 306240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes! < 1350273903 396746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really enjoyed that book when i was like 14 and found it through everything2 or kuro5hin or something < 1350273913 510062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise. < 1350273926 333348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1350273928 712431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might've been 15, but eh. < 1350273931 601592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when all the "cool websites" had digits in their names. < 1350273943 745136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to missing vowels < 1350273959 633283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, how does it feel being over 9000 days old? < 1350273966 375184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear there's a sequel coming out roughly never. < 1350273977 927720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me I should finish catching up with Ra. < 1350273981 207472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You've read Fine Structure, right? < 1350274049 544396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350274052 25185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you even finished Fine Structure yet? < 1350274057 412080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1350274073 79731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow < 1350274080 832182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes! I'm now going to invoke this fact: < 1350274087 71913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What! Even *I've* read Fine Structure. < 1350274103 297512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even monqy has read Fine Structure assuming he actually got round to it which is unlikely < 1350274103 752572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sam Hughes is awesome. < 1350274108 810686 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1350274129 132875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I am thirding the Fine Structure suggestion. < 1350274138 753291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added some examples of FurryScript, some people asked for some examples < 1350274152 857176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who said it was a suggestion??? < 1350274158 40497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I hate Fine Structure and want to warn kmc off. < 1350274174 820670 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You *read* it. Surely you don't hate it. :P < 1350274193 449235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you like everything you've read?? < 1350274210 65823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pikhq_'s point is that you can't read Fine Structure and not like it. < 1350274216 636545 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but I suggest you can't read Fine Structure and hate it. < 1350274243 663586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might read it and neither like or hate it. < 1350274255 162337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've got a TIP for you, get the POINT? < 1350274393 711204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is FurryScript truth-machine program: 1[ <1> 1# ] PAR DUP ~# < 1350274411 38 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static analysis of stack effects would be required to prove that it would work. < 1350274431 441794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it does not actually work, for similar reasons as some of the other examples of truth-machine that doesn't work for the same reason. < 1350274451 985094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for similar reasons as some of the other examples of truth-machine that doesn't work for the same reason. < 1350274455 8327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1350274595 340627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The implementation will work if you put 0 however, it will make 0 output and stop. < 1350274665 287967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you are running the program on your own computer, the second command-line parameter is the input; if running on the form for custom scripts, use the PAS command to fill in the input.) < 1350274665 565290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading Fine Structure < 1350275701 239911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a truth machine < 1350275792 317449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Truth-machine < 1350275808 296651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what a cake machine is? < 1350275820 423527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to paste my pun in. < 1350275821 448005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:34 I found this to be a very nice informal intro: "Some of the best things in life are free; and some are not. Truth is free. Having proved a theorem, you may use this proof as many times as you wish, at no extra cost. Food, on the other hand, has a cost. Having baked a cake, you may eat it only once. If traditional logic is about truth, then linear logic is about food" < 1350275827 924951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:35 Unless you're Zeno. < 1350275830 357913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:35 Zeno knew how to halve his cake and eat it too. < 1350275954 523243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1350276709 568136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought this was going to be about the cake being a lie < 1350276866 375758 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:26 < kmc> where's nortti // I was sleepinh < 1350276896 960128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nortti < 1350276901 333812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back to awakeness. < 1350276909 799964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you notice your 9000th birthday? < 1350276962 747521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I wonder whether _Typing Haskell in Haskell_ is a good example of literate programming. < 1350277194 851307 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1350277445 584920 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350278073 98335 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1350278721 235456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not notice it < 1350278726 512726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you did < 1350278731 118374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird but cool < 1350278743 816843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have to sleep now, ttyl < 1350279677 565272 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1350279702 372468 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1350279737 657993 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350282595 210024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy UPD8 < 1350282633 137719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy never gets better < 1350282638 225112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does linear logic mean? < 1350282644 667048 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic < 1350282667 405892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I found in Wikipedia, OK < 1350282968 727940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make up a type system similar to Haskell but also has kinds for linear logic instead of only intuitionistic? < 1350283010 322277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are some cases I have thought of where I have wanted something like this) < 1350283824 938165 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350284076 791754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1350284441 28893 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350285445 180573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the list of stuff put near the top of the page is OK? Do you like this? http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript < 1350285913 716370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There Once Was A Fish Named Fred < 1350285919 793339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :best esoland or bestestest esolang? < 1350285930 31240 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit besting < 1350285983 125167 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350285997 803959 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“(However, note that it is being discussed this notice might be wrong.)” That should be followed by “(However, note that it is being discussed also this notice might be wrong.)” < 1350286236 413178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know! < 1350286417 908275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350286463 798065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "(there must be a space after [ and before and after ] however)" < 1350286471 824207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you drop the requirement for a space after ]? < 1350289300 310094 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350289340 268762 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b75ca.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350289964 995587 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350290112 352316 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350290165 172205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350290260 388498 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350290459 833245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350290921 166746 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you've mentioned going to conventions in the past, correct? < 1350290998 29715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1350291019 244959 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of conventions? < 1350291030 916777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unconventional kind, no doubt. < 1350291031 423667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1350291228 905542 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350291239 344076 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350291302 179463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to anime convention < 1350291323 354919 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of curiosity, were there many Homestucks? < 1350291338 451289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1350291482 943890 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long ago was this? < 1350291492 447663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few months ago. < 1350291498 423424 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unusual < 1350291623 131347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1350291876 31652 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No crowd of people being weird wearing grey make-up and orange horns? < 1350291903 877272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there were two. < 1350291910 441568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a lot. < 1350291914 136915 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1350291920 625572 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1350291927 15447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1350291957 100606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are either a lot of Homestucks around here or they're really organized < 1350292037 564802 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1350292052 599633 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the "her" mentioned on Koen's user page refers to someone specific < 1350292145 873054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list is kind of coffee-oriented. < 1350292172 165866 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1350292222 69069 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm hmm < 1350292240 534443 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an ssh server on my other computer, and I want to access some HTML pages on there from here < 1350292264 17144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does still have "find her" which doesn't sound all that specific; then again, it just might be someone specific but in hiding. < 1350292269 203836 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way I can set it up so I can point my browser at file////whatever/othercomputer/whatever/file.html < 1350292271 904346 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have it work < 1350292339 966852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do 'sshfs othercomputer:/place /anotherplace" on thefirstcomputer, and then you can just use file:///anotherplace/thing to access the /place/thing of othercomputer. < 1350292354 22263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with luck, and with sshfs+fuse installed. < 1350292384 904991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's probably best not to mix ' and " like I did there. < 1350292477 5580 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1350292566 383891 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a VERY roundabout way to mess with haskell < 1350292900 203376 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's a VERY good reason for that to not work < 1350294229 890082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: If you don't follow the instructions correctly, the result may be an unbootable Linux. Even if you do follow the instructions correctly, the result may be an unbootable Linux." < 1350294382 907794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unbootable Linux is always an option. < 1350294718 929688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350295454 233370 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1350295613 250835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: More like an inscrutable Linux, right? < 1350295832 656528 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ...the usual way to access HTML pages is via a HTTP server < 1350296189 297353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350296547 861060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1350296599 115019 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, advise on setting one up? < 1350297800 3959 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -S nginx < 1350297990 745984 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... appears to be a pacman game < 1350298027 512428 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I do something wrong? < 1350298117 650134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably used the "wrong" Linux distribution. < 1350298129 506500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(All of them are wrong.) < 1350298146 687588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Solaris the wrong Linux distribution? < 1350298148 640879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Arch system maintanence would be a lot less stressful if pacman(1) was just a pacman game. < 1350298167 553296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can definitively state that Solaris is, in fact, the most wrong a Linux distribution can possibly be. < 1350298173 402521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur. < 1350298184 614156 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, because I'm not using that < 1350298188 762471 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Windows 98 SE? < 1350298200 175263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98 SE is quite a good Linux distribution IMO. < 1350298210 111994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's better than Solaris. < 1350298217 629121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the cool dudes use Windows 98 SE Linux. < 1350298255 319861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite Linux distribution is BeOS. < 1350298263 107049 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When GHC gets ported to Haiku I'll probably use Haiku < 1350298292 629418 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually serious) < 1350298446 250147 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1350299051 626410 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait < 1350299059 175909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need nVidia drivers < 1350299092 117201 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1350299547 981353 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350300723 203299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1350300748 600450 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1350300750 331422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350300758 395212 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy adding /ˈæmbiːɛf/ to the wiki < 1350300807 451760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: come up with an ascii redirect or i'll kill you :P < 1350300811 519208 :elliott1!~elliott@95.150.78.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350300813 562575 :elliott1!~elliott@95.150.78.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a test < 1350300820 730325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, help < 1350300821 68241 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a link in the language list < 1350300824 581005 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need guidance < 1350300839 372900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I like typing http://esolangs.org/wiki/$x < 1350300857 615619 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll add a redirect from [[$x]] < 1350300859 209254 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not explain it < 1350300870 747906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1350300890 592095 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented thue is terrible right < 1350300914 877231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds terrible but my brain is too mathsed to bother wading through that spec < 1350301044 886684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know about protocols right < 1350301059 674822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 knows all the protocols < 1350301066 530347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has to otherwise he might accidentally break a law < 1350301658 786057 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, added < 1350301665 804806 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/$x < 1350301681 154657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that redirect goes to an interesting place < 1350301687 515949 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1350301696 266423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1350301699 210588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is xchat haha < 1350301767 769943 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat doesn't like the link? < 1350301783 628614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have a bad category < 1350301785 54912 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try http://esolangs.org/wiki//%CB%88%C3%A6mbi%CB%90%C9%9Bf/ instead < 1350301787 426057 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1350301788 697230 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape-based? < 1350301790 714973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1350301792 426111 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fix it, it's a wiki < 1350301797 717918 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know if BF derivatives got that one < 1350301798 219198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lazy tho < 1350301803 361111 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll fix it < 1350301810 68420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by bad i mean < 1350301811 557676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a redlink < 1350301821 507893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yr article is the only entry < 1350301825 614175 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1350301831 336759 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it shouldn't be included anyway < 1350301862 950894 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, going home, I need sleep < 1350301884 302149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here i was just about to ask you programming questions too!! < 1350301885 676956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win this time < 1350301887 782595 :ais523!93bcc35d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.93 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1350301905 108629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Guess whose lucky day it is?? < 1350301937 717032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's most definitely not mine. < 1350302005 677907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Correct! < 1350302071 869267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there some kind of generic thing that encapsulates a protocol and gives it encryption (and ideally authentication?) so my server/client don't have to worry about it per se? My current best idea is just opening "ssh server connect-to-local-server-socket-and-hook-stdio-to-it" as a process and using that as the "socket", which seems a bit... suboptimal. < 1350302213 358009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh. Certainly there are rather generic encrypted-and-optionally-authenticated transport channels. TLS, for example. But maybe that's not what you mean. < 1350302261 497109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right, I thought TLS might be what I'm thinking of. I... guess I'll go look into that. < 1350302284 536707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't suppose TLS supports SSH public-key authentication. :p) < 1350302326 938379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly TLS seems to have lots of complex fiddly thingies I'm not sure I care about, like certificate-signing and so on. < 1350302362 503326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not normally, no; the authentication aspects are traditionally all X.509. < 1350302394 611059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. That sounds like it could potentially be a pain to set up on clients and stuff "just" for this thing I'm working on. < 1350302473 785961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I'll just go with the ssh thing after all. < 1350302518 149348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350302548 960577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1350302552 626163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't these things meant to be nice? < 1350302557 473806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TLS supports pre-shared key ciphersuites, if that's an option. Of course it's not quite SSH public keys. < 1350302601 240116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's not dabbling with certificates either.) < 1350302638 659063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't even know what a ciphersuite is. < 1350302641 979205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bad at this stuff. < 1350302667 489486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT: a suit you wear in bad cyberpunk novels that encrypts your travels through CYBERSPACE with a cipher? < 1350302718 126236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a term they use. "The fiddly details," sort of. A name for the particular pile of encryption and authentication and whatnot algorithms that are used. < 1350302786 470299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I mean, I don't even know if the typical Linux system has the programs you need to set such a thing up, though. < 1350302802 532918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds fiddlier than making an ssh key, which takes 0 seconds because everyone* has one. < 1350302806 196246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Everyone that matters. < 1350302907 525193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know whether TLS libraries support the TLS-PSK things if it's an extension; based on a quick google, though, at least GnuTLS does, and has helper functions to generate and hex-encode/decode keys. But, really, for pre-shared keys, it's just K random bits. < 1350302931 987549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1350302933 822806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSL API isn't IIRC the most pleasant to work with. GnuTLS probably isn't any nicer, though. < 1350302953 766851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess I could do some sort of ssh tunneling deal rather than "ssh server connect-to-local-server-socket-and-hook-stdio-to-it". < 1350302958 421467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... less awful, maybe. < 1350302967 910429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, I don't anticipate talking to it directly from C. < 1350302984 419256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always nice. < 1350303043 101901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this is all sounding awfully complicated. :( < 1350303081 598710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are netcat-like tools that provide encrypted pipes, but it's arguable whether that's really any better than your SSH method. < 1350303088 3864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the optimal solution may depend on what's comfortably available for your implementation language. < 1350303121 544666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even know that, except that it's almost certainly one of Haskell, Python or C, and probably not C.
< 1350303126 974408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My planning: woefully under. < 1350303149 348153 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350303169 77231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1350303293 199384 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1350303312 387090 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, is the "her" mentioned on your user page someone specific, or just a general goal? < 1350303328 438636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a general goal < 1350303337 384826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there are specific candidates < 1350303341 891406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SSL does have the advantage that I'd expect most decent things have a way to speak it. (And everyone has the openssl command line tools installed, so fiddling with the certificates isn't too many orders of magnitude more complicated than fiddling with SSH public keys, except the commands are a lot uglier.) < 1350303397 385461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. < 1350303418 514355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't suppose it gets any easier if I settle for password-based authentication? < 1350303495 431548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. A TLS encrypted-only channel with just a password query would be easy, but also somewhat MITM-risky, since there's no way to detect someone just forwarding all traffic in the middle. < 1350303562 254591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH at least has the host key checks. Assuming the user just doesn't type "yes" to all questions. < 1350303587 815044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Right. Well, in this case it's more the server trying to keep riff-raff out than much about the client trusting the server. < 1350303694 175979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's also a "TLS-SRP" password-based-key-exchange authentication extension, implemented in the usual libraries. < 1350303698 331396 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350303739 816086 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm surprised you read that already < 1350303745 760316 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read EVERYTHING < 1350303754 218159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even minds. < 1350303755 919059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can nowadays do TLS with certificates, with pre-shared keys, or with passwords. Fancy. < 1350303756 507019 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: I don't actually read everything) < 1350303847 218577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350303907 530574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1350303923 77343 :elliott1!~elliott@95.150.78.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: hi < 1350303997 771462 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm being flirted at < 1350304050 267451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Shoot a cloud of ink to hide behind, and then slink away. < 1350304258 789873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I put a link to http://esolangs.org/wiki//ˈæmbiːɛf/ on the wiki? < 1350304278 523049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the starting / seems to be confusing the wiki < 1350304284 63959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:/ˈæmbiːɛf/]] < 1350304290 384747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, [[:/ˈæmbiːɛf/|]] < 1350304337 206324 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tahnk you < 1350304364 778475 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then common sense tell me I could've seen how ais did on the languages list) < 1350304929 446184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i : just a symbol to say "don't treat this link like you usually do" or does it mean something like . and .. in a unix shell? < 1350305253 767674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :format is [[namespace:foo]] < 1350305260 32024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like [[Template:Blah]] < 1350305262 568443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or [[Esolang:Policy]] < 1350305267 867992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "main" namespace's name is an empty string < 1350305280 585778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do [[:foo]] then it's the page named foo... otherwise [[/foo]] is interpreted as a subpage of the current page < 1350305283 680342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. [[:thispage/foo]] < 1350305355 413587 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it kind of is like Unix's "." < 1350305412 264842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like unix's / < 1350305416 569225 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350305421 657006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[foo]] is like ./foo < 1350305424 185129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:foo]] is like /foo < 1350305446 538799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [[foo:bar]] is like C:\bar because now the metaphor is windows < 1350305456 172591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1350305482 349422 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how to make a distinction between a subpage and a page that has a / in it? < 1350305495 670244 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need to? < 1350305575 810523 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1350306572 475385 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1350306899 921055 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1350306968 821347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350307263 388348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, there is no distinction. < 1350307279 902259 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/b is a subpage of a if a exists, otherwise it's just a page with a / in the name. < 1350307291 500623 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1350307300 386339 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1350307354 395492 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350307485 202689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia has at least two maps of the island that thomas the tank engine is set on < 1350307820 237121 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sodor? < 1350308028 386390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1350308133 397370 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1350308167 635499 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any spoken programming languages? < 1350308182 931520 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1350308185 95165 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go get a nerd < 1350308186 897627 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can your department hack up a spoken programming language please? :-) < 1350308191 341231 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell him "Make a program that does this" < 1350308209 371635 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more like lojban->Haskell < 1350308212 567238 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about that
< 1350308226 119281 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken or written is just the medium < 1350308235 766530 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if there's an easy way to turn spoken lojban into text, that would be enough. < 1350308238 491535 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just say out loud written Haskell < 1350308248 586719 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get a speech to text converter < 1350308259 939238 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban isn't really any more programmy than any other language < 1350308273 35392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350308276 846404 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's Plain English, but that is the worst language < 1350308360 504120 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1350308388 520856 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of (buggy) english-to-*-compilers out there, though < 1350308432 575787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr: I don't think we have investigated recognition of spoken (existing) programming languages, let alone tried to make an easily-recognizable new language. < 1350308511 134964 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you remember Plain English, fizzie! < 1350308516 844333 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :From osmonian or something < 1350308537 906241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "we" as in our department. < 1350308551 344582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I could forget Plain English, no. < 1350308552 676927 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :What department < 1350308577 135249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1350308623 287181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The department that the speech recognition/synthesis research group that I'm in is part of. < 1350308635 623845 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.osmosian.com/ < 1350308641 396296 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-252-78.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE THEM SO MUCH < 1350308674 404678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Osmosian Order! Man, they're wacky. < 1350308695 961890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr: I'm not sure if anyone mentioned fungot's implementation language to you yet, so let me just do a shameless plug here. < 1350308696 721438 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but that makes things worse than ever! everybody is going straight to the top, since who cares! the utahraptor's been having a bad time to say all the run-of-the-mill thoughts we have! < 1350308699 515717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1350308699 758971 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1350308713 930355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it made things worse than ever. < 1350308758 733901 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350308855 701067 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1350308889 813545 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1350309079 794500 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1350309167 912788 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's terrifying. < 1350309414 964642 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1350309565 257322 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stratos jump successful http://youtu.be/yFU774q6eVM < 1350310081 867624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350310361 208296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1350310367 823095 :nooga!~nooga@218.134.168.217-rev.hti.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1350310596 843253 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350310758 488674 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350311780 523009 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-31-108.singnet.com.sg PART :#esoteric < 1350312012 12546 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350312586 271242 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350312931 223568 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1350313413 820499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1350313679 476315 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350313681 961742 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1350313686 421635 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350313690 551995 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1350313789 923534 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1350313933 797765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350314061 327063 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1350314487 13883 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1350316195 992573 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350316217 242453 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350316734 423789 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350317200 103999 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-101.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1350320617 91725 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1350321225 73201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1350321333 53000 :elliott1!~elliott@95.150.78.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1350321350 881726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1350321433 740364 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350321447 205501 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350321735 141917 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.186.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350321828 276632 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350322392 849984 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, at the beginning of the American Civil War, the confederates thought that they could count on the support of the British, because Britain imported a lot of cotton from them. < 1350322425 856129 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, when they asked for military aid, Britain thought "why bother" and got cotton from Egypt instead, which turned out to be cheaper. < 1350322435 635502 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moral of the story is, don't rely on the British? < 1350322486 353838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1350322662 539664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never underestimate the ability of the british to screw you over? < 1350322680 355494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chinese can attest to that one too < 1350322735 195975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict the opium wars were basically a bond villain plan < 1350322807 836339 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350323032 289640 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, Mister Bond, you have discovered my plan to sell opium to China so we can afford tea and they'll be too high to care!" < 1350323035 74446 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hahahaha" < 1350323048 216613 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know that much about the Opium wars) < 1350323066 463286 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350323073 184673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think at some point the chinese tried to foil this fiendish plan by banning opium < 1350323077 563347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where the wars come in < 1350323150 914009 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350323221 180590 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350323527 183604 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, did you ever try Homestuck again? < 1350323537 306955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ever" < 1350323545 134686 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, well, yesterday evening < 1350323551 181804 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time was about 14 hours ago < 1350323551 890044 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get that hot chocolate? < 1350323555 98010 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350323556 499819 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I did < 1350323580 743615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the chocolate I got about two hours ago, actually < 1350323586 932442 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about delaying < 1350323631 699871 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently implementing deadfish in thue < 1350323631 785139 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350323640 214113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also wondering why I'm doing that) < 1350323654 446720 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350324378 422025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350324458 350071 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1350324466 292332 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Best_Place_To_Grab_Cash_Financing_Very_Quickly ? < 1350324486 785232 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make an esolang REALLY QUICKLY < 1350324549 623981 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a good idea atriq < 1350324559 675926 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How developed < 1350324598 367790 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your idea? < 1350324638 944211 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350324639 362391 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this idea might not work out, and if it does, it will be virtually impossibe to write a program in this language) < 1350324646 973321 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sorry for disconnecting < 1350324659 68025 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1350324672 581736 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1350324749 837068 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look at Fueue and Eodermdrone and Malbolge) < 1350324774 632136 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are you interested in languages with randomness? < 1350324788 398029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more interested in functional languages < 1350324796 176839 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1350324798 869229 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1350324805 648252 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my idea is probably not for you < 1350324813 664054 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I want to hear it < 1350324846 262666 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so, this is only a vague idea (keep that in mind): < 1350324914 112141 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is parsed into a tree. So the root node would be the first instruction, and then a random number is generated in the range (for example) [1, 5] < 1350324928 117179 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this number determines the number of child nodes the root has < 1350324973 176115 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1350324974 985105 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, each of the child nodes will (if enough instructions are available) also get a random amount of child nodes in the range [1, 5] < 1350324990 913405 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this continues until there are no more instructions < 1350325008 954451 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the execution starts as following: < 1350325022 392334 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root instruction is executed < 1350325033 396027 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a random child of this root node is executed < 1350325045 201397 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this process continues until a node without children is reached < 1350325055 99032 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it basically < 1350325114 803266 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure whether it would be possible to write an actual program (that does something that makes sense) in this language < 1350325192 450283 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1350325193 303990 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-101.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350325272 744333 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be an accomplishment to write a hello world program in such a language < 1350325506 576659 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.186.42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Code Poems book appears to have been published... http://wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-10/12/code-poems-book - not sure about the availability < 1350325580 538661 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so, what do you think? < 1350325596 161446 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be interesting < 1350325689 417554 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if we want to to make this, we will need to determine the details < 1350325703 24432 :Por_gammer!c9085a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.8.90.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350325719 140160 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, what would be the basic instructions? < 1350325746 738375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Por_gammer < 1350325748 401108 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also thinking to have the memory as a tree (with randomness when going down, but not when going up) < 1350325756 887066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Por_gammer: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1350325768 543803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scala macros are, in fact, cats." < 1350325846 435685 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what if we took the brainfuck instructions, and organized them in this new manner? < 1350325850 241356 :Por_gammer!c9085a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.8.90.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm... hi? < 1350325854 995865 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1350325857 956205 :sipa!~pw@2a02:348:5e:5a29::1 PART :#esoteric < 1350325864 273909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, I think it may work well with function-y ness < 1350325883 934554 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: also good < 1350325902 10384 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define each function to be n-adic where n is any number from 1 to 5 < 1350325909 182112 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use the whole tree < 1350325921 295192 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-adic? < 1350325936 714064 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking n inputs < 1350325941 658075 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1350326014 739522 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so you want to make a fully functional language, where the flow of instructions is in this manner? < 1350326029 688858 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could work < 1350326037 551711 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps < 1350326065 480921 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If each subtree is a function from a tree to a tree < 1350326076 691867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :BE WARNED: The people here are the completest asses. | http://phantom-hoover.tumblr.com/ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1350326096 951283 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are donkeys? < 1350326104 719711 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the only data type is a tree of ...? < 1350326109 150349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The completest. < 1350326109 516991 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions < 1350326112 892495 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afunction < 1350326127 31174 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is an incomplete donkey? < 1350326129 930337 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a function is a tree < 1350326134 647067 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it < 1350326160 302244 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The truest of tragedies :'( < 1350326374 60176 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, atriq, suppose you said fun a (with possibly function b as argument) = (+ 1) b; It would do either b or (+1) (so it would either be 1 or b + 1) < 1350326395 303191 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so! < 1350326402 212255 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really thought of this much < 1350326429 480080 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can specify an amount of arguments, but it's not certain that they will get passed < 1350326498 202054 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x, y, z) = x + y + z might do x, y, z, x + y, y + z or x + z < 1350326512 792898 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that the parameters that are not passed are 0 < 1350326545 20891 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are the neutral element for the operation that is being done (thus when multiplying they equal 1) < 1350326561 176521 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also do nothing < 1350326563 725323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or when composing they equal the identity function < 1350326617 893884 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes f(x, y, z) = (x · y · z)(1) might thus be 1 < 1350326637 853205 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming · is actually an open dot, which it is not unfortunately) < 1350326828 42421 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350326899 871174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350326992 881056 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1350327078 571956 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350327111 396870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-hi all! < 1350327159 852287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h all? < 1350327162 987785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i all? < 1350327195 722228 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something like *bwarg*. half-my mouth is frozen from the dentist. < 1350327241 271019 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your dentist injects dry ice instead of novocaine too! < 1350327244 917920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was just mine! *whew* < 1350327268 178235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :injecting dry ice < 1350327270 656579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new one on me < 1350327271 798515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dry ice? < 1350327282 54845 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be very surprised if it was dry ice. < 1350327289 511975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly given it's a solid < 1350327291 424759 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they went and used multiple products. < 1350327386 819935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor probably just doesn't understand because nobody trusts his country with the good anaesthetics < 1350327414 617875 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA YOU GUYS ARE BAD AT JOKES < 1350327429 890311 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke was that “frozen” is a bizarre word choice. < 1350327456 782311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we're* bad at jokes? < 1350327459 515141 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon my French :p < 1350327468 329184 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many members of monty python were american again?? < 1350327483 142160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terry gilliam? < 1350327486 80300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaand Phantom_Hoover thinks that Monty Python was about jokes. < 1350327486 986468 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes. < 1350327498 774728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, mostly i did that for the terry gilliam thing < 1350327506 396488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "half-my" mouth is an interesting concept ... I guess the other half belongs to the novocaine < 1350327542 618788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows how affected I am by the intervention... < 1350327605 562800 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-72.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350327716 349363 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350327740 879982 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350328023 354528 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi3.eu.apcdn.com/full/63422.jpg < 1350328088 928787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if stallman would have children < 1350328147 132338 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Android! HAW HAW HAW < 1350328257 178506 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350328278 269492 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350328671 168490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350328839 118549 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god I've cloned myself < 1350328944 872294 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: here is an idea of a name for an esolang < 1350328948 179116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it inspires you < 1350328963 551499 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Talk talk: Turing tarpit" < 1350328974 780758 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1350329002 259888 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350329045 175189 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1350329071 378932 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350329209 327247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk_talk:Turing_tarpit < 1350329240 162134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to make this a language one day or the other but I don't really have a proper idea yet < 1350329263 319284 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe something self-modifying in the same vein as emmental (except a turing tarpit) < 1350329299 834841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a proper idea any time soon, go ahead :) < 1350329339 93925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware the turing armpit, where [expunged] < 1350329356 299389 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is I really need to make a language heavily inspired by nomics but I don't have a consistent idea yet < 1350329464 415731 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware the turing armpit, where everything is possible but nothing is smooth? < 1350330067 750928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1350330093 94238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, remember when I was talking Common Lisp and was trying to work out how to get the lexical environment to show off that whatever we were talking about could be done in Common Lisp, and I gave up? < 1350330120 159079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it could be done in Common Lisp, because I did it in Clojure and I think Common Lisp is sufficiently similar in regards to the basic concept < 1350330123 942214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.refheap.com/users/sgeo < 1350330125 974411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1350330131 70511 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.refheap.com/paste/5886 < 1350330552 859088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 renslo < 1350330554 727810 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :erafyb < 1350330604 696410 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not funny :( < 1350330612 566100 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 turing < 1350330613 34035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghevat < 1350330630 344652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 guro < 1350330630 972087 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :theb < 1350330643 246340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 gura < 1350330643 795967 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1350330696 711314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 cymru cymry < 1350330697 179117 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :plzeh plzel < 1350330712 793270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 clojure < 1350330713 456130 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pybwher < 1350330715 157128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 welsh < 1350330715 655577 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jryfu < 1350330767 835006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, rot13 is boring again < 1350330797 258965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 na na. na na na na. < 1350330797 683399 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :an an. an an an an. < 1350330912 614459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 mana mana < 1350330913 82019 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :znan znan < 1350330920 968818 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 ééééééé < 1350330921 659491 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ééééééé < 1350330924 226746 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1350330948 281799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been nice if it had outputed somthing like ŕŕŕŕŕ < 1350330982 880861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350331011 941317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 hey hey hey goodbye < 1350331012 450185 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :url url url tbbqolr < 1350331020 509829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1350331031 407276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 na na. na na na na. hey hey hey. < 1350331032 38539 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :an an. an an an an. url url url. < 1350331081 198413 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350331198 728948 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An url!? < 1350331217 212237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 earl < 1350331217 757920 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rney < 1350331225 804470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 Renae < 1350331226 335188 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eranr < 1350331257 577727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 Renee < 1350331258 11949 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erarr < 1350331258 349420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 can you do UPPERCASE? < 1350331259 281064 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pna lbh qb HCCREPNFR? < 1350331266 375063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 error < 1350331266 835594 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :reebe < 1350331280 456471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could play this game all day < 1350331287 199876 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 rebate < 1350331287 718799 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :erongr < 1350331293 819219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1350331308 64129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 ignore < 1350331308 318535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 Sgeo < 1350331308 656328 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vtaber < 1350331308 824974 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ftrb < 1350331314 271467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 my nick < 1350331314 796339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zl avpx < 1350331324 967993 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 vtable < 1350331325 457727 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoyr < 1350331341 85742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 verticle tabber < 1350331341 584654 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iregvpyr gnoore < 1350331352 972694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 vertical tabber < 1350331353 491934 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :iregvpny gnoore < 1350331357 551969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned how to spell! < 1350331458 949343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 shatbg < 1350331459 467693 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1350331526 360434 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1350331565 146186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shat up < 1350331565 600494 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fung hc < 1350331592 593005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fhng hc < 1350331783 927831 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so, any idea for Talk talk: Turing Tarpit? < 1350331814 183698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"talk talk" sounds like the french onomatopoeia for knock knock < 1350331885 451623 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was thinking something about a nomic-inspired turning tarpit with something about doors < 1350331889 580722 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1350331916 780794 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1350331986 267536 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1350331992 940891 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like dupdog, maybe? < 1350332039 328175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I recall correctly dupdog was something about WARNING: Don't Spend Your Whole Night Trying To Understand Dupdog!!! < 1350332071 452977 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tarpit looks like the french word for carpet < 1350332079 917487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe something with doors and carpets < 1350332135 3097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's consistent with the idea of a turning tarpit: you're in a circular, spinning room with lots of doors and a nice rug under your feet (and instructions are behind the doors) < 1350332185 442714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no I'm mistaking it with something else < 1350332196 395509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog is that thing using the length of the source code, right? < 1350332217 257506 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what happens if you shuffle too much in that room? wouldn't trying to read the instructions cause an electric discharge and fry them? < 1350332248 921699 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, nice < 1350332271 778967 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, sometimes door can open in the middle of two instructions? < 1350332303 21116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds that to his list of potentially-interesting-ideas
< 1350332640 853532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or a non-deterministic language using the same idea as ais523's amBF, where instructions are in a circle, and everytime you use the symbol for an instruction, one of the three instructions (previous, that one, next) will be executed instead < 1350332693 820939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "in the same idea as /'æmbeef/" I don't mean it needs to be a brainfuck-derivative) < 1350333212 283348 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350335060 973132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1350335149 211129 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350335522 414437 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-164-194.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1350337137 773626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350337568 56555 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1350337736 930520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an "invent your own cargo cult C performance rule" contest < 1350337743 405924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a la http://chronicle.com/blogs/linguafranca/2012/10/03/a-new-contest-centered-around-usage/ < 1350337898 679146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes kmc
< 1350337931 400686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1350337993 504055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.refheap.com/paste/5886 getting the lexical environment, both variable symbols and values, in Clojure < 1350338002 397913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a similar concept should work in Common Lisp, I think < 1350338040 696155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSsecretbombsche < 1350338095 72508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, < 1350338138 192650 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350338139 37707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, it should be easy to write an eval that takes such a map and wraps its argument in a let < 1350338458 107236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why "Cannot escape pictorial checkmate."? < 1350338518 129378 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate usually means "you're in check and cannot escape" - if you change the rules, then it seems only logical that it affects the possibilities of checkmate < 1350338547 857930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1350338550 769546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless those new rules have actually been tested and it has been decided it's actually better this way < 1350338648 5680 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I've never seen the phrase "pictorial checkmate" before, but I assume it means "a position that would be a checkmate if we were playing regular fide chess") < 1350338663 231307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes, that is what "pictorial checkmate" means, and I have seen it before. < 1350338886 290596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: have you had a look at http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/contest84/orwellchess.html ? < 1350338992 8943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking now. < 1350339243 401129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad. < 1350339637 61657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the chess variant I've been the most impressed with < 1350339655 262557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm looking (not actively, though) for an opportunity to play it < 1350339811 226879 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350339865 519334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe make up some pieces and board you can do it < 1350339883 397604 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350339919 40098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a circular board would be more appropriate than a cylindrical one < 1350339934 407219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up your own variant of variant < 1350339961 332874 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a variant - it's just another way to represent the 'torus' aspect of the board < 1350340003 926137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1350340077 862818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my description of FurryScript better now? I think you have asked for some improvement and now I have done. < 1350340099 522987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to make a program with graphics it would probably display the board both as a cylinder and a disc < 1350340103 227164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not only the description; if you have additional questions, or you wanted some additional commands, you can ask that too. < 1350340109 458788 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me have a look < 1350340124 878113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK, it could be done like that, could be one way I guess. < 1350340189 731717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a "domain specific" programming language? < 1350340238 882497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean it's been designed for one purpose mainly (with "domain" meaning a field like physics or biology)? < 1350340255 650670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language < 1350340261 410637 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes, like PHP < 1350340267 775811 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350340282 271825 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is PHP HyperText Preprocessor or something like that. < 1350340285 356184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1350340290 258785 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's furryscript's domain? < 1350340322 392080 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1350340325 415617 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOBOL was for text processing < 1350340340 398977 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good example of a domain specific language is regular expressions. < 1350340342 734241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FurryScript is even more domain-specific than PHP; the original reason it was written was actually specifically to interpret this: http://zzo38computer.org/furry/scripts/furrygenerator_7thsanc.txt (it is also where the name comes from) < 1350340361 392993 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350340406 66104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the current version implements many commands which are not used in that file. < 1350340549 336813 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what "generation" means < 1350340586 868285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to read the section about "templates" like it tell you to do < 1350340600 850843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I could explain it better, but am unsure how. < 1350340628 277010 :shapr!~shapr@c-71-207-252-122.hsd1.al.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"focus on code" < 1350340646 654659 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350340675 638667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you are still confused, you can ask more specific or see some of the external examples might explain a bit? < 1350340712 792979 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel < 1350340726 680030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes I'm definitely still confused < 1350340760 675579 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examples use PAR a lot and I have no idea what it does either < 1350340793 87109 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do the "( -- )" and "( ? -- ? )" means? < 1350340801 710218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of PAR command is explained clearly in the text; it is used to read input. < 1350340814 831661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "( -- )" are stack effect notation (commonly used with Forth). < 1350340904 642586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added another paragraph of text to the "Generation" section. < 1350340935 249384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to implement esolangs in Clojure, I should find a good parsec-equivalent < 1350340982 493124 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I understand a little better now < 1350341021 903681 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's mainly a functional language right? except with side effect on the stack < 1350341074 164176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Somewhat, I guess < 1350341115 310935 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this whole continuation thing I'm not sure I understand < 1350341154 42689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean when a subroutine is called, it is provided with a copy of the stack (and of the program state)? < 1350341209 25939 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; they all use the same stack. It is only provided with a copy of the stack and of the rest of the program state if you use the command to call with the current continuation. Also, continuations cannot be called backward. < 1350341230 901549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may see these files for more examples: http://zzo38computer.org/furry/scripts/ (I have added a link directly to this directory now) < 1350341234 414634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok?? < 1350341240 386892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit man i need guidance < 1350341439 934605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand the external examples? If anything in external example not understand, you can ask specific clarification I may add the comments if needed. < 1350341567 257764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the beer program looks very much like any usual stack based language < 1350341585 736806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure when things are outputted < 1350341651 662460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things output when the program ends, any strings remaining on the stack are process any instructions they contain, and then send to output. < 1350341671 281374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :king_game and lifepath don't really look like programs at all - do they simply take some input to fill in some form? < 1350341705 18255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :" , eyes, and .> < 1350341713 579013 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but that means the 99 is put on the stack first, then 98, etc., so 99 will be outputted last instead of first? < 1350341762 67335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :" , eyes, and .>" is a string which contains four instructions, "colordata", "skindata", etc, these subroutines are called and anything added to the stack since that point, one is selected at random and the instruction is replaced with that result. < 1350341775 305498 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1350341777 648379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No, because the + at the beginning of any instruction tells it to use concatenation. < 1350341797 973818 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1350341798 478040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try the programs if you want; either install it on your own computer or use the HTML form. < 1350341855 854612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so king_game basically generates a sentence with random values for skindata and stuff? < 1350341864 674281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1350341990 183178 :impomatic!~digital_w@84.93.186.42 PART :#esoteric < 1350342103 336785 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SU ( y x -- result ) Subtract x from y does this mean that the code "3 0 SU" will output -3 and not 3? < 1350342155 976759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1350342175 152610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it won't output anything because it is not a string, but you can cast it to a string by +<> afterward < 1350342293 760339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1350342336 788950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in ( z y x -- z' ) the top of the stack is z? < 1350342342 531476 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or x < 1350342363 162646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top of the stack is x same as in Forth < 1350342368 475047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1350342447 613351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it is understandable now? < 1350342534 101068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350342566 374958 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a bit confused about the whole good-bad-very bad thing < 1350342647 474104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps look at some of the files that use those commands < 1350343243 964209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help? < 1350343367 423034 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350343426 279958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, shachaf: I would say that "domain-specific language" is a much narrower thing than PHP < 1350343439 308471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is basically a general purpose programming language < 1350343442 439107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I agree < 1350343449 565682 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really < 1350343453 541601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a terrible one, and definitely with lots of web stuff baked in, but with lots of other things too < 1350343460 873635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean "web stuff" is a really broad domain < 1350343464 466184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's similar to ocaml's exceptions < 1350343480 125288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me a DSL is like, a makefile language or a 3D renderer scene description language or such < 1350343504 502684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be turing complete but they aren't oriented towards the general tasks of programming < 1350343515 14545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I agree with you. < 1350343532 333993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one insight is that one should focus on building the domain specific bits and not on reinventing the programming language bits, incrementally and poorly < 1350343558 240988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every 'config file' format eventually grows a bad implementation of variables, control flow, etc. < 1350343577 545899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the so-called "embedded domain-specific languages" are really just libraries in a host language, and you have the host language's features for these things < 1350343594 372787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er I meant to ping shapr not shachaf < 1350343596 38113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shapr is not here < 1350343639 88419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worked somewhere where both frontend and backend were written in a mixture of Ruby on Rails and PHP < 1350343674 903149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning, both the webapp and backend batch processing or sysadmin scripts < 1350343676 879965 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350343688 822609 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350343699 880057 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350344051 506618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your description of these thing of domain specific programming, is a bit like how FurryScript is like < 1350344083 653068 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1350344103 958169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1350344232 928002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1350344235 121385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes? < 1350344327 732759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find a place which is quiet and pleasant and open at odd hours. < 1350344340 204867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isn't $HOME. < 1350344350 118884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1350344361 685090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The library works for everything except for the odd-hours bit. < 1350344377 950148 :Por_gammer!c9085a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.8.90.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1350344825 571688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You gonna talk about applicative functors with XMunkki face-to-face, like a man? Huh? < 1350344892 256475 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1350344894 245398 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know him from elsewhere. < 1350344966 204055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350345004 246412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when 4TB drives will be reasonably priced and not shitty < 1350345095 541461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counts as "reasonably"? < 1350345138 168941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like you can get one for $300 < 1350345159 64159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not so bad. < 1350345173 287349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's twice as much as a 3TB drive, though < 1350345225 945144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3TB is $150? < 1350345234 273959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1350345234 357304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How times have changed, or something. < 1350345253 868866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2TB is like $110 < 1350345269 917083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get an external drive. < 1350345330 515908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my storage array is 99.6% full < 1350345385 572310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many TBs is that 0.4%? < 1350345403 81760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never petabyte I didn't like. < 1350345489 204567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.032