< 1351468807 93041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, good idea. < 1351468815 178281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION proceeds to talk about Stargate Infinity
< 1351468846 133215 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone kick sgeo < 1351468877 171345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built by ancients so long ago < 1351468887 94838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stargate lay 'till we broke the code... < 1351468893 371137 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a rap < 1351468920 891244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67E-_SQLVRo < 1351469010 543962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1351469419 105387 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not watching that Sgeo < 1351469427 852547 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you have time to find that and not finish ds9 < 1351469440 671907 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you were midway through season 6 ffs < 1351469445 956547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1351469469 423125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WORSE < 1351469472 380595 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bsg is pretty sweet < 1351469506 140258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I forgot where I left off and some of the episodes are a bit fillerish < 1351469532 954203 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean vic don't you < 1351469577 333999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1351469589 674450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, Vic counts as filler < 1351469610 646804 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until only a paper moon < 1351469689 28848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So you're going to do a cryptography CTF? < 1351469849 665259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1351469900 191403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: did sgeo really stop watching ds9 < 1351469901 705836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1351469913 120027 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351469914 880149 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he did < 1351469923 268303 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right as the dominion war was at its height < 1351469925 186916 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj sgeo < 1351469926 75233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to resume eventually < 1351470107 360409 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351470882 599603 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where, roughly, did you actually stop? < 1351470907 327516 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me you at least watched the siege of ar-558 < 1351471049 942216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1351471935 95991 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351473710 54827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I fixed FamicomHDL. writeCart works now, and Language.FamicomHDL.Logic works now. < 1351473834 968917 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db427f9.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351474726 233396 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this anubis guy has watched star wars too much < 1351474752 332272 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first he has his jedi-sith duel against michael shanks < 1351474782 473613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they found this darth vader-looking "super soldier" < 1351474794 797454 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then darth vader turns out to be a clone from an army of clones < 1351475244 817049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1351476054 102073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I remembered what episode I stopped at < 1351476725 92997 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1351477743 730661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely saw It's Only a Paper Moon < 1351477762 210184 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :paper moon was a pretty good movie < 1351477998 820558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempted to paste in a Clojure oddity, but I have a feeling it won't be appreciated < 1351478015 409860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm, it makes Clojure look like a Lisp-2, if it were shown without any other context < 1351478837 110425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added Language.FamicomHDL.Cartridge < 1351478889 319045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ,(let [do 5] (do do)) < 1351478889 403299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1351478895 843481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider this behavior to be a Clojure wart < 1351478908 63955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write something like (andSignal [ppuRead, ppuWrite] >>= connect irqTrig) makes it trigger an interrupt whenever the PPU attempts to read or write anything. Is that how you would use a hardware description language? < 1351478925 367271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you explain it better? < 1351478952 718920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because until just this second, I thought I understood it, but I don't < 1351479058 244873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is currently acting like a Lisp-2 where functions share a namespace with lexicals but macros and special forms are in their own little world < 1351479127 93277 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason after a while they just call them lisp-n < 1351479149 271293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is supposedly a Lisp-1. < 1351479183 609629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acting like a Lisp-2 a portion of the time is, as far as I'm concerned, broken behavior. < 1351479207 475933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe it's clojail breaking up, lemme see < 1351479220 255545 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first-class special forms are a recipe for hilarity < 1351479241 203195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this behavior is extending to macros too < 1351479301 531286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Clojail < 1351479376 323685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sandboxing that one of the bots uses. And the other bot is offline) < 1351479659 858601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I summarize? < 1351479681 534775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does no one care? < 1351480603 169166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone does care. < 1351480793 924885 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db412de.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351482438 739388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, unless you're one of them, it's unlikely < 1351482504 71318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone who read the log will care in future. < 1351482512 422513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I care too; I don't know. < 1351482834 889509 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351486809 970918 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db412de.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351487363 546480 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351487673 945374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is my first SF riot. Do we have a VC-funded artisanal coffee shop sponsoring it yet? What’s the hashtag? Where do I park my bike?" < 1351488358 389622 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351488537 688615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so hard about cache invalidation? < 1351488923 454670 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351489043 390912 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1351489480 273081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about esolang "Muxcomp". Can something like this be made for a VLIW microcode, accessing the internal cache memory? < 1351489663 3419 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351490011 485563 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351492789 435837 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351493033 540800 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351493720 115453 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351493789 987109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351494253 361740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351495308 111018 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I didn't donate. :-P < 1351495308 228869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1351495352 235504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: TRAITOR. < 1351495359 18402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traitor to the CAUSE. < 1351495391 987683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you donate < 1351495398 515667 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :donate to what < 1351495445 470726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk my bff jill < 1351495455 259369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To D. < 1351495478 8119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To D is the D I am going to sleep. < 1351495478 212943 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :two very awesome things: < 1351495482 447991 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) the Mandelbrot set < 1351495496 291952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Sibelius' symphony no. 1, movement 3 < 1351495875 153931 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351496050 453204 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Psilocybin < 1351496091 567852 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: blind < 1351496103 107411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) People who can't count < 1351496134 973029 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) Lies < 1351496197 685792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) Unordered lists < 1351496903 281067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have enough water for a few days < 1351496908 434035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 soda bottles filled with water < 1351498866 144882 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351501027 261458 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351502119 181252 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1351504839 520789 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351504982 318200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351508867 787158 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351509314 95376 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-117.elisa.ee QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351510574 895526 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351510689 587184 :barts_!~barts@p4FD0E0A4.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you preparing for a nuclear holocaust? < 1351510954 974922 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asunnot.oikotie.fi/card/all-media?card_id=7524781 < 1351511171 720248 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux beats Windows (other)! It’s truly the year of Linux on the desktop! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems < 1351511242 324048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1351511406 808843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux won't be ready for the desktop for at least 10 more years, unless there is someone who will grab it, twist it into something that people want and put it on machines everywhere < 1351511621 821117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What about OS/2? < 1351511742 455988 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351511749 120904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351511758 383275 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1351512749 213753 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ee1b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351512803 242114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1351513548 527645 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64582_10151277436123707_560425104_n.jpg < 1351514255 17984 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351516161 904383 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351517100 153322 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351517102 45766 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1351517117 885451 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351517347 904013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351517438 640482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1351517438 768094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1351519032 872894 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-111.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351519195 711184 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351519302 950341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351519327 681209 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-111.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1351519679 737787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351523311 5508 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351523510 319609 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1351523510 525310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1351523965 443463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are all those languages which are supposedly "stack-based" but that include instructions like "move top element to bottom" or "move bottom element to top" or "reverse stack" < 1351523984 696631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't they be in the deque-based category? < 1351524011 719688 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the data structure they use is *based* on a stack... < 1351524087 651168 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's stack-based-based < 1351524359 784683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also you could argue that if the reverse instruction has a linear complexity, it's definitely a stack, but if you're actually using a deque you can make it constant time) < 1351524508 112524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351524678 958312 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complexity? You guys should work toward simplicity < 1351524733 652869 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or simpliciality < 1351524756 31207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you shuold work towards being awesome < 1351524761 985614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all anyone talks about these days < 1351524814 465442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i do that < 1351524837 864113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1351524846 536641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1351524876 609639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(awesome) < 1351524921 5270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this django-confirmation library generates an email confirmation key like so: < 1351524923 933149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmation_key = sha1(str(os.urandom(12)) + str(email_address)).hexdigest() < 1351524925 798572 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you figure out a non-trivial way of having an algorithm that operates in O(awesome) time or space, I will be amazed < 1351524928 905463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot figure out why < 1351524949 202878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's non-trivial < 1351524978 589626 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything other than renaming "n" to "awesome" < 1351525027 941227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename n to e < 1351525032 664795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's probably not particularly terrible, as such. < 1351525035 96132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2)! < 1351525037 477589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the point of using the email there. < 1351525110 676632 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256^12 < 1351525111 684261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 79228162514264337593543950336 < 1351525132 27153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's worse than a 12 byte random confirmation key < 1351525144 753760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be enough < 1351525154 14407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very cargo-culty :/ < 1351525181 455841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351525183 163565 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, sha1 doesn't really decrease the entropy. Okay, it probably does a little. < 1351525317 809980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the email is like the one piece of information you're guaranteed the attacker knows < 1351525328 98829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a typical "forging a signup from someone else" attack < 1351525348 975114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, hashing in the email makes it harder to notice if the other bit breaks somehow < 1351525361 627656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how Debian OpenSSL was throwing the PID into the entropy pot just for laffs < 1351525370 624346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ended up being the *only* entropy < 1351525399 754835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Debian would only generate one of 2^16 certs, but that's enough that nobody noticed for a while :/ < 1351525474 736851 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it also used the time < 1351525543 94637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1351525760 233093 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entropy should be tracked through the type system or something < 1351526849 332124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.swtch.com/openssl is a good writeup of that fiasco < 1351526899 861291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is something like that included in your CTF? < 1351526993 752556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1351527012 234290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i'm not doing < 1351527033 805426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, you wrote up a list of suggestions, right? < 1351527038 352819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you just going to let it go to waste? < 1351527040 770481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351527055 315453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1351527061 812308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can send them to you < 1351527116 363976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but including the PID is a good idea if your process is going to fork() and you have no other way of getting separate entropy to each < 1351527123 157191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should probably that thing I said instead < 1351527163 949403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't OpenSSL on Linux read straight out of /dev/urandom < 1351527172 905788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do? < 1351527177 662442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask you to supply randomness? < 1351527208 4895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a general rule, /dev/urandom should be used for everything except long-lived GPG/SSL/SSH keys" < 1351527215 738059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so okay, they would need some way to switch to /dev/random for those < 1351527220 782859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their API might not be expressive enough < 1351527229 710560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has its own PRNG seeded from /dev/urandom < 1351527241 422308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er actually /dev/random < 1351527251 10678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps once upon a time, the kernel PRNG for /dev/urandom was much worse < 1351527256 343694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I think it is considered to be really good < 1351527282 975177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it considered really good cross-platform? < 1351527344 846909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used OpenSSL personally but I hear its API is pretty low-level and bad. < 1351527401 694128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have heard as well < 1351527417 731368 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1351527423 429703 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write a Haskell interface for the Tumblr API at some point < 1351527430 646729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe the problem is that you can't get entropy estimates out of urandom < 1351527434 968866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there must be an ioctl for that :) < 1351527494 979211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :root can feed entropy to /dev/random < 1351527636 471596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd like to see the CTF thing if you're not going to be doing anything else with it. < 1351527918 500419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how? < 1351527928 42523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1351527939 237986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how feed < 1351527946 384109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1351527950 247989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just by writing into it. < 1351527969 217317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1351527992 910631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it kind of cute when redditors try to justify video game review scores by saying "well it's like at school, 70 is average" < 1351528000 568203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you say how much entropy was in those bytes < 1351528005 489304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can with the OpenSSL API < 1351528020 69355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you say it in the type system < 1351528033 428497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you know, 70% being 'average' isn't just tests being too easy < 1351528119 376517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about raw 70% of questions answered correctly, or about a 70% grade after curving < 1351528130 653450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't see why either should mean the tests are too easy < 1351528178 844879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should writing a test where the average student can answer only 50% of the questions instead of 70% produce better educational outcomes? < 1351528191 118960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1351528191 369406 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351528200 419411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't have said 'too', that was uncalled for < 1351528208 945805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the curve is arbitrary, you can put the average wherever you want < 1351528220 485531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i did have a few instructors who used deterministic curves made known to the class ahead of time < 1351528232 631283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's certainly not an innate property of tests < 1351528236 176219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1351528249 49588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were tests in college where the average student got 20% < 1351528277 619015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even a standard thing for most educational systems < 1351528330 32204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i thought this internet thing was just for americans < 1351528333 51936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who let all these foreigners on < 1351528393 185376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not actually sure how it works in england tbh < 1351528421 13796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to introduce a new grade a while back because an A was worthless and the universities were just ignoring exam results < 1351528462 836000 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1351528472 699606 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly < 1351528473 462145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on GCSE? or A-levels or what < 1351528487 745438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-levels < 1351528507 747446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GCSE but AFAIK the GCSEs are irrelevant as a qualification, they're that easy. < 1351528574 947120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the BBC 25% of A-level entries got an A by the end of the 2000's so... < 1351528609 127338 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Oxford ignores them even now < 1351528609 244918 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both, now < 1351528609 245147 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ASs < 1351528650 190249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you do to impress oxbridge then < 1351528651 228721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IB? < 1351528710 415909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have interviews, for one thing < 1351528723 263023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took all the AP classes and everyone told me how great it was to get college credit for them < 1351528726 360649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often require relevant work experience < 1351528732 459683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i went to a college that didn't accept a single fucking one < 1351528763 504851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably apply to university. < 1351528773 658951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think now is the time to do it. < 1351528780 265466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply to warwick we can be university friends < 1351528787 479411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be cheaper than the us, too! < 1351528877 74617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :school in the US is too damn expensive < 1351528889 205200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the effect is overblown by foreign commentators < 1351528898 933891 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1351528930 875135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they say "omg it costs $40,000 a year to go to school in the US" they mean "to go to the most elite private schools, if you get zero financial aid" < 1351528990 83807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How much does it cost to go to Warwick? < 1351529027 744861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's a bad thing to let the super rich spend a lot of money on education, as long as there's a system of taxation and public schools to ensure everyone gets a good education < 1351529063 550975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's probably a bad thing that private schools have such a monopoly on the top tier of higher education in the US < 1351529095 168096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only one public school that competes basically < 1351529114 873465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either £14k or £18k a year, depending on the degree. < 1351529121 668362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. i have been advised that "private school" means something crazy in the UK, please to substituting for appropriate crazy word, thanks in advance < 1351529138 461595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm an EU citizen, by the way. < 1351529166 621577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :£9k then < 1351529189 63510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free if you go to Scotland. < 1351529200 245544 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about a thousand pounds more than my school < 1351529205 566402 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you're counting tuition only < 1351529215 445954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351529237 209010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although St Andrews does say 'EU domiciled'. < 1351529240 531669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pay about $10500 (canadian) per year < 1351529254 40582 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe closer to $11000 < 1351529264 15565 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like to think about it too much :P < 1351529354 275824 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the one public school being berkeley? < 1351529357 532216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351529368 851318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Student loans here are kind of ridiculous though. < 1351529382 103828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably go to Berkeley as an in-state student now. < 1351529389 559491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351529419 819235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't affect your credit score, you repay like 2% of your income over £21k and if you manage not to pay it off before you retire it gets written off. < 1351529454 371684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is some silly accounting dodge on the part of the govt right < 1351529468 255836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can hand out money for university but keep it on the books as something they are owed back < 1351529473 695403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:42:41: like how Debian OpenSSL was throwing the PID into the entropy pot just for laffs < 1351529476 22833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1351529479 300259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't upstream OpenSSL do this, though? < 1351529485 161082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that Debian accidentally disabled all the other entropy sources. < 1351529496 106827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially funny when they raised tuition fees as part of 'austerity measures' when it just means they end up paying universities more. < 1351529506 283711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See kmc's link above: http://research.swtch.com/openssl < 1351529512 431477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah < 1351529554 465865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:28: "As a general rule, /dev/urandom should be used for everything except long-lived GPG/SSL/SSH keys" < 1351529554 546640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:35: so okay, they would need some way to switch to /dev/random for those < 1351529564 175182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought /dev/urandom was actually recommended for cryptographic stuff over /dev/random? < 1351529573 15892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *over* /dev/random? < 1351529574 55266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm quoting man 4 random there < 1351529590 842700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:18:14: root can feed entropy to /dev/random < 1351529592 19197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know when you're not concerned about blocking /dev/random is generally better. < 1351529599 735233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 4 man, man 4 woman, man 4 random < 1351529600 492396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC any user can write to /dev/random? < 1351529607 911636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just magically discards the non-random bits or something. < 1351529610 463577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's /dev/urandom. < 1351529617 353675 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you detect which bits are non-random? < 1351529622 571448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: -- also that's what I thought but then I saw someone say that /dev/urandom was recommended or something. < 1351529626 95593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on LWN so it looked authoritative. < 1351529630 646457 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: compare them to the output of a PRNG < 1351529637 383885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Magic, I guess. I don't know how randomness or cryptography or anything works. < 1351529641 725915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For most things urandom is good enough. < 1351529645 32336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I remember hearing something like that. < 1351529652 227135 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so you discard everything with overwhelming likelihood? :P < 1351529654 672858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: The 0 bits are non-random, the 1 bits are random. < 1351529659 396099 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: makes sense < 1351529669 810339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why are you repeating yourself? I know, and that's what I thought too, but then I heard someone say otherwise and it sounded like that was a common myth or something. I don't know. < 1351529676 260444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2 bits you just discard. < 1351529677 931119 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no, you compare each successive bit and only keep the random ones < 1351529691 430197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming this summer: Myth or Manpage? < 1351529704 224081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: My imperssion was that /dev/urandom is usually recommended for most cryptographic because it's "good enough". < 1351529712 322515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you really don't want to block in most cases. < 1351529727 338816 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if /dev/urandom gives 0010101010110, and a PRNG gives 0101101011010, you know that the random bits are 01010110 < 1351529746 126271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I can write to /dev/random here. < 1351529748 244067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :As non-rfoot. < 1351529749 589790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :root. < 1351529753 846958 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1351529788 54431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it probably takes your bits, but doesn't increment the entropy estimate < 1351529854 350888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some part of the randomness pool that's reserved for particular users? < 1351529860 225575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that no one can DoS /dev/random < 1351529919 454828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/umad < 1351529927 153820 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351529997 352205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1351530033 122022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I didn't get to sleep all night. :-( < 1351530039 625559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I do < 1351530070 956616 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: down five red bulls < 1351530081 475385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: r u cheater < 1351530102 94823 :barts_!~barts@p4FD0E0A4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351530147 272465 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am barts_ < 1351530152 989464 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351530171 531813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is barts_ cheater < 1351530217 762690 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this dog? < 1351530227 744315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes barts__ is cheater < 1351530241 507984 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you gaze for long into the abyss < 1351530279 771478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty obvious < 1351530297 124766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: either say yes or say no < 1351530315 78753 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351530343 225103 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't, will you freeze forever, stuck on blocking input? < 1351530391 2697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1351530407 228129 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it too late to change my mind about accepting the responsibility of choosing the featured language? < 1351530409 48089 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answer _|_ < 1351530483 864162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351530510 8913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351530787 416326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__ is definitely cheater, btw < 1351530800 996077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real reason in asking because he/she's just going to dodge the question indefinitely < 1351530833 172760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why not < 1351530868 46928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey let's all flip out and lose our shit completely because somebody who may or may not be cheater has said three inoffensive things < 1351530882 998870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i winning at #esoteric yet < 1351530887 859022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ? < 1351530912 374911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead we should just let blatant ban evasion be an insult to our intelligence by pretending it's not obvious < 1351530913 507835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc shut up about you not getting how bans work < 1351530915 764330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed kmc < 1351530927 989317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not insulted, only amused.
< 1351530938 891964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if cheater is here. < 1351530940 209620 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was the channel for whichever subset of ##electronics, #esoteric, and #haskell-blah would put up with me < 1351530979 60609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ban barts__ if you know he's cheater, he was banned for a reason < 1351531030 113433 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did i get that wrong, kmc < 1351531032 394173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well he's clearly a past-regular < 1351531084 870940 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could be cpressey for all we know < 1351531091 25419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351531098 327294 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey connecting from germany < 1351531098 867781 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he probably isn't cpressey) < 1351531105 38112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using cheater's isp < 1351531110 142200 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where am I connecting from? < 1351531132 905533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we banned cpressey by mistake, thinking he was someone else, it'd be easy to prove his identity and get him unbanned again < 1351531239 173370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, italy? < 1351531246 250340 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spai < 1351531246 933268 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1351531248 917293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain < 1351531254 332974 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the max planck instutute *is* in germany < 1351531255 485881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, you answered before I figured it out < 1351531257 812322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ais i was confused there for a second < 1351531257 893144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so close, too < 1351531266 373023 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, Ibiza < 1351531280 507446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought he was connecting from spai and was answering in short form to an earlier query < 1351531300 808372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, valencia < 1351531327 919636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's where the ISP reports, it can be inaccurate < 1351531350 961044 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351531375 828172 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :La Presidente Hotel, Portinatx, Ibiza < 1351531377 916666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK ANYWAY < 1351531385 750588 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If any of you want to stalk me < 1351531390 159149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were previously talking about cheater and his blatant ban evasion < 1351531407 361062 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: spagnolo? parli italiano? < 1351531416 905915 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__, non < 1351531418 679700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: if it's a hotel IP, then the other guests in the hotel have been surprisingly well behaved < 1351531433 686365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1351531435 837515 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: scusa < 1351531447 3904 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__, tu stinko es < 1351531486 680062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of the ops could actually give a damn about channel administration for once < 1351531502 897470 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e "puzza", atriq :) < 1351531540 47556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351531570 883162 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__, ¿eres infiel_? < 1351531584 562151 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non capisco < 1351531617 482115 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿Está Cheater_? < 1351531622 531063 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scusa < 1351531633 360818 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non conosco infidel < 1351531655 620821 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usted no va a responder en Inglés, no se contestará en español ... < 1351531667 146683 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Es casi como si tuviera algo que ocultar. < 1351531697 128788 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jajaj < 1351531706 758571 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :non c'e credo.. < 1351531778 715213 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vuoi esplicare? < 1351531959 417376 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1351531959 594961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1351532139 2585 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scusa atriq, c'e un problem'? < 1351532278 82888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1351532281 320910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1351532296 405641 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, excuse-me, kmc, have I misquoted you above ?. < 1351532364 630095 :rapido!~rapido@80.187.201.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351532431 777844 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351532597 80236 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1351532765 261870 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351533451 739091 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck < 1351533687 231612 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that turing complete? < 1351533789 144853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: you are indeed still being useless < 1351533793 431938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why /shouldn't/ I ban you again < 1351533808 722836 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the pixels on my screen is MOVING < 1351533884 645832 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's yellowish and six-legged < 1351533897 729170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: are you sure it's a pixel < 1351533901 100994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, say, an insect? < 1351533910 596950 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made contributions to the esolang wiki. < 1351533942 330299 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was the right size < 1351533963 336089 :rapido!~rapido@80.187.201.33 QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351533966 824852 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up until I noticed it was moving it was a well-behaved pixel < 1351533990 847506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Did it change color depending on the contents of your display? < 1351533997 154984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: were they useful? < 1351534010 897928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, under what name? < 1351534013 345895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't paying much attention to it < 1351534019 5820 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the name Arc_Koen < 1351534030 210630 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he named his latest language under my suggestion < 1351534046 863496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Arc_Koen < 1351534054 807036 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is you < 1351534071 943834 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said under what name the latest contribution was < 1351534076 968725 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351534092 455535 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though http://esolangs.org/wiki/Circlefuck indeed had its name suggested by barts) < 1351534271 747236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351534404 989127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about adding an emmental-like instruction-rewriting feature to my circlefuck implementation < 1351534413 340603 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realized I hadn't implemented it < 1351534521 233676 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could then call it "La ronde des fromages" < 1351534531 418991 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is "the roundness of the cheese" < 1351534602 795160 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which plays on your language's topology and where it's derived from. < 1351534636 261666 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, "larondedesfromagesfuck". < 1351534831 686246 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must depart. < 1351535232 753897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey do you guys see any difference between http://esolangs.org/wiki/Braincrash and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbrain ? < 1351535273 715078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :appart from the fact that one uses +-><.,[] and the other ><+-.,[] < 1351535418 603528 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back later < 1351535611 54100 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: this reminds me of BrainFuck < 1351535620 196593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it just Brainfuck, with a capital B? < 1351535630 307698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a BF derivative that doesn't change any instructions at all < 1351535635 711437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of extreme of pointless BF derivatives < 1351536073 314807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :branfuck < 1351536079 578102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no i in branfuck < 1351536212 260585 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :branefuck < 1351536258 594012 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the m-theory esolang < 1351536268 614219 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :bainfuck capital? < 1351536320 113263 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banefuck, the hip new batman slashfic < 1351536348 592033 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe, in fact, that there isn't already an 11-dimensional esolang. Or other sort of language for that matter. < 1351536449 1321 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Jafet zzo38 < 1351536473 431184 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :With our patented Planck units, creating programs will be as simple as nailing two-by-fours together. Which is to say it's incredibly error-prone and involves manual work. < 1351536482 914937 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I not zzo38 < 1351536694 814233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hint.fm/wind/ wow this is pretty < 1351536697 383866 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1351536726 88395 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351536728 393052 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sort of scary < 1351536750 522137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy I'm not in NY < 1351536806 178087 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents have friends in annapolis < 1351536822 184652 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :havn't thought to ask about them though < 1351536881 690245 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with that big turbulent patch north of charlott < 1351536884 742464 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*charlotte < 1351537126 380537 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in NY
< 1351537139 9658 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly-timed week-long holiday, this < 1351537228 769722 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad is it < 1351537265 59156 :tinkerer!~tinkerer@194.14.179.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351537266 878055 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rainy and somewhat windy at the moment, though as I've understood it'll get worse during the evening/night < 1351537299 245024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in NYC? < 1351537320 288034 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, on manhattan < 1351537444 256764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must suck that there's no subway < 1351537508 31803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they shut it down here too (boston) < 1351537826 307214 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: your link is incredibly slow to load :( < 1351538044 23812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The entire execution unit for muxcomp64 would be extremely small, very close to 16K transistors (not gates, transistors)." I want to buy it please. < 1351538149 375856 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1351538155 938919 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1351538230 780126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey shouldn't we try something similar to corewar but with esolangs? < 1351538256 488000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a giant funge area < 1351538285 801467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been tried < 1351538304 252181 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1351538305 253778 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1351538359 411402 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351538430 715509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt < 1351539524 993365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: BF Joust is awesome, you should play it < 1351539571 387473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: ​Score for Arc_Koen_koen_very_unsubtle_1_bfjoust: 0.0 < 1351539601 466869 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something I did not understand? my program was >>>>>>>>>(++>)*21 < 1351539608 698115 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1351539795 304886 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351540365 705033 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351541184 853163 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1351541274 474927 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351541981 658094 :tinkerer!~tinkerer@194.14.179.192 PART #esoteric :"Already Gone" < 1351543319 977898 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351543608 849631 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1351543940 78236 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351544036 465796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it great how programmers use the term "Unicode" to mean alternately "non-ASCII", "non-ISO-8859-1", "UTF-8", "UTF-8 but not if any of the bytes are less that 0x80", or (very occasionally) "Unicode"? < 1351544048 6142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if all of the bytes are less than* < 1351544414 112700 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351544439 78241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also often refers to one of UCS-2 or UTF-16 < 1351544540 634703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, in Windows-land and Java-land < 1351544546 824845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :places to avoid for sure < 1351544634 771996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the worst part is that it usually really means "either UCS-2 or UTF-16", without actually knowing which one < 1351544652 405509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1351544738 430587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may enjoy being pedantic a little too much but I'm also pretty sure that character encoding is one of those areas where you can either be pedantic or get confused all the time. < 1351544767 813119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not be confused but make software which just doesn't work for people who don't speak English < 1351544782 598457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1351544854 67557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351544903 166850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my litmus test when developing is that if japanese goes through without getting garbled, then I shouldn't worry at all about encoding. < 1351544953 987981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus efficiently testing only the japanese section of your encoding < 1351544980 79810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh a lot of existing japanese texts are in weird encodings though < 1351544999 736775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your software shouldn't be obliged to support EUC-JP or Shift-JIS < 1351545013 778284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan moreso than other places has not switched over to the glorious Unicode new world order < 1351545023 955244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because their shit actually kinda worked before < 1351545024 430459 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351545030 484654 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck × Circlefuck is 11-dimensional. < 1351545033 568907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if you wanted to send files between Windows and UNIX of course < 1351545036 835932 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda the point. < 1351545076 60105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese script should be fairly trivial once you decode it though, and character encoding is just the very first little step < 1351545095 894923 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan has single houses with 50 and 60 hz installations in 230 and 120V each, all using the same kind of outlet. < 1351545122 345578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha true < 1351545123 960767 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're no fans of standards. < 1351545132 451786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's true olsner < 1351545139 62507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no joining, no combining characters, no case (!) < 1351545150 64312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some normalization though < 1351545161 184931 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck counting. < 1351545177 419267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is that han unification thingy < 1351545178 456736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: more like the US is no fans of existing standards when we burn down your country and rebuild it < 1351545191 789706 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you define a kanji to be S. < 1351545225 142392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while there was talk of making Iraq use CDMA < 1351545234 782678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they actually went through with it < 1351545238 918930 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they on thurayya? < 1351545239 293773 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. sabotage their communications network? < 1351545287 30246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was considered highly scandalous in the USA that some US govt money might go to systems built by COMMUNIST TERRORIST-APPEASING FRANCE AND GERMANY < 1351545308 874903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know back when were were really upset that they tried to talk us out of shooting ourselves in the foot in the most enormous way possible < 1351545553 773884 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am 次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次0% sure this can be done in japanese < 1351545618 416532 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次次0% < 1351545642 717157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next-next-next-next-next-0% ????? < 1351545649 170008 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1351545656 105893 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351545671 662100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does that have to do with anything < 1351545673 185473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused as usual, and we're definitely not Friday yet.
< 1351545691 745280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts__: japeano numbers? < 1351545700 667159 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1351545722 712472 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :piano numbers < 1351545726 746306 :barts__!~barts@p57AEB67C.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :############0 < 1351545741 166533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's enough < 1351545749 892701 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :ais523 > 1351545749 922379 NAMES :#esoteric < 1351545766 801386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 MODE #esoteric +b :barts*!*@* > 1351545766 823863 NAMES :#esoteric < 1351545772 897632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric barts__ :User terminated! < 1351545834 570027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really change the default kick message < 1351545841 158048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1351545850 846892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very iron fist < 1351545851 13646 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's he banned? < 1351545865 326317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being cheater < 1351545876 153540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, a combination of no useful contribution and harassing a subset of channel regulars < 1351545882 526725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :later on, for ban evasion < 1351545892 726346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he hadn't been here for a while so I wanted to see if he reformed < 1351545925 26727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand bad trolls < 1351545935 196331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good trolling can be entertaining < 1351545936 779427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't really < 1351545949 815264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cheater is just naturally annoying < 1351545964 486185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he pretends to be a troll to act like he's totally in charge < 1351545981 843871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1351545986 702285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/I'm/ naturally annoying < 1351545989 746329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I try to suppress it < 1351545994 89016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than revel in it < 1351545997 741274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1351546002 894389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get "finnished" into the kick message somehow < 1351546013 478228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed it < 1351546015 14821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 KICK #esoteric ais523 :I don't have a better default kick reason, but if you're being kicked, you should know why < 1351546019 204261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351546028 667948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very ais523 kick reason < 1351546065 654834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about "hi" < 1351546082 444824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a good non-default kick reason < 1351546088 934391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd only work on someone who knew what it meant < 1351546173 622960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(short summary for people who don't know: "hi" as a non sequitur is a threat) < 1351546189 855246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least, an indication of disapproval) < 1351546199 474593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a threat of what? further conversation? < 1351546234 852716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a particularly specific threat < 1351546245 220377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what it usually threatens is more his < 1351546265 70698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly a breach of friendship if the offending behaviour happens too long < 1351546290 519971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hi < 1351546301 517461 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1351546328 219434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think that response makes a decent threat, too < 1351546335 68396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the smiley < 1351546341 143916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I know it does that for all unrecognised input) < 1351546424 131917 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smiley looks a bit like a lop-eyed zombie coming to embrace and devour you < 1351546464 439118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while repeating hi over and over) < 1351546878 333304 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351548363 246723 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351549448 443679 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-140-112.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351549776 426198 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351549953 322572 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-140-112.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351549980 748495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie little girls coming at you saying "Hi. Wanna play with me?" and what your really hear is BRAAAAAAINS < 1351550667 453829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1351551055 719787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if they have or could release macgyver in HD < 1351551081 553572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not that it would be worth it or anything < 1351551462 419543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful what you ask for < 1351551463 973379 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1351551468 967393 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :imdb does say it was filmed on "Film" < 1351551472 226784 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if they remade it < 1351551476 233293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 3d < 1351551810 651677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apparently Zephyr uses the same "UTF-8 or maybe ISO-8859-1" encoding that's popular on IRC :/ < 1351551866 95450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the prevalence is in ISO-8859 texts of byte sequences that are also valid UTF-8 < 1351551869 110507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably pretty low < 1351551908 665295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps that half (?) of the UTF-8 continuation bytes are unprintable control characters in ISO-8859 (though not in Windows-1252) < 1351552262 877898 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay ♥ UTF-8 < 1351552297 200957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've never used Zephyr. < 1351552322 602379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to be at MIT to use it or something? I couldn't work it out once. < 1351552339 421437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might've been better to use the ascii characters for continuation bytes, to make it more obvious when you're mixing encodings the wrong way < 1351552401 207544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a bit less stateless though < 1351552413 194970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just flip the msb? < 1351552429 107389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you land at a random point in a UTF-8 byte stream, you can recover within one character < 1351552449 364028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so if continuation bytes alias with ASCII characters < 1351552495 884667 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351552586 631901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is pretty nice. < 1351552590 487611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right that UTF-8 being a superset of ASCII makes some problems less obvious though < 1351552600 775389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for programmers of the "i speak English and it works for me" mindset < 1351552625 146172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who always feel put-upon when others want "crazy characters" < 1351552626 514492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think UTF-8 would be nearly as common if it didn't have that property. < 1351552628 895365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351552674 883580 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351552777 133641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351552780 990443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why can't all those weird people just speak English? < 1351552785 486194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would solve so many problems. < 1351552789 107173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1351552797 86240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When I say "weird people" I mean mathematicians, of course.) < 1351552801 752436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1351552811 771794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So did edwardk decide yet? < 1351552820 325101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't talk to him. < 1351552830 588384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just woke up, man! < 1351552887 886512 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351553381 176492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hurricaning