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01:30:38 dig -t txt gjs.passwd.ns.athena.mit.edu 01:30:40 you can also see what shell people use 01:32:09 aww, kmc.passwd.ns.athena.mit.edu doesn't work 01:32:16 does gjs really use tcsh 01:32:20 :/ 01:34:27 coppro: can you please explain what's wrong with stargate at the end of season 8? 01:34:43 the two time-travel episodes didn't make any sense to me 01:34:57 it's like nothing happened at all 01:35:17 and the first episode of season 9 is ridiculous 01:35:20 Arc_Koen, at that point, the plot of the first 8 seasons is finished, because the series was expected to be cancelled. 01:35:33 So, completely new plot. 01:35:36 ok 01:35:50 Arc_Koen: It's not wrong 01:35:52 so they decided to end the plot three episodes before the end of the season? 01:36:12 Arc_Koen: So at the end of nearly every season, they thought SG-1 would be cancelled 01:36:23 I think seasons 1, 9, and maybe 5 are exceptions 01:36:33 In 7, the renewal didn't come until very very late 01:36:39 so Lost City was written to be the series finale 01:36:45 elliott: my athena username isn't kmc 01:36:47 it's taken or some shit 01:36:55 i don't really like 'kmc' either 01:36:55 Season 8 was kind of mopping up and grasping at any unresolved plotlines 01:37:03 i try to go by 'keegan' but i'm usually not able to 01:37:06 coppro: they're trapped in a room with the ceiling moving down and the riddle they have to solve is to order a sequence of 9 symbols which happen to be 9 digits mirrored 01:37:29 kmc > keegan imo 01:37:31 By Season 9, they decided they needed to do a reboot, hence the episode you're watching 01:37:31 how is that not wrong 01:37:33 it is short 01:38:03 The plot of seasons 9 and 10 is generally agreed to be not as good as the plot that was built up over the first 7 01:39:00 also, they start the whole thing as "daniel jackson, teal'c, carter are no longer part of the team"... but the opening sequence lists them as the main characters 01:39:21 which is a stupid way of spoiling things, in my opinion 01:39:38 hwh 01:39:40 *heh 01:40:06 also, in seasons 9 & 10, landry < hammond and mitchell <<<<< o'neill 01:40:19 yeah 01:40:32 I do like the kind of "silent humour" carried away in the episode, though 01:41:01 I mean, most humorous series seem to feel the need to "oeverexplain" every joke 01:41:13 -!- madbr has joined. 01:41:32 they don't do that in stargate (at least most of the time) and mitchell did respect that 01:41:34 how fast at sorting are 8bit and 16bit processors? 01:41:51 but yeah I miss hammond a lot 01:42:05 and season 8 really felt like it was the end 01:42:30 "we're missing a fourth team member... uh, let's stall things for one season before getting a new character" 01:42:44 haha 01:44:13 are you people discussing stargate AGAIN 01:44:25 yes 01:44:37 btw, you mentioned I should watch atlantis at the same time as season 9, 01:44:40 Built by ancients so long ago 01:44:46 Arc_Koen, wrong season. 01:45:02 if you can do fast sorts you can do a graphic architecture that's really simple but can do tons of moving sprites etc 01:45:04 wrong season? 01:45:05 Well, I guess it overlaps, but not "starting at season 9" 01:45:15 yeah 01:45:23 well, if you have any more precise advises they are very welcome 01:45:31 Arc_Koen: The first three seasons of Atlantis and the last three episodes of Atlantis overlap 01:45:36 I think the SG-1/SGA overlap starts at the beginning of season 8? I'm not sure 01:45:54 coppro, uh... last three episodes of Atlantis? Wat? 01:45:58 err 01:46:00 Last three seasons of SG-1? 01:46:01 *last three seasons of SG-1 01:46:05 ok 01:46:13 For instance, the last epsiode of Season 8 where they want to get a ZPM makes much more sense if you watch Atlantis 01:46:22 maybe not "much" 01:46:25 but certainly more sense 01:46:36 so I would recommend watching them concurrently, even to alternate episodes 01:46:38 I should rewatch SG-1 and SGA with that overlap 01:46:42 well, I was assuming they'd need to find atlantis before the SGA would make sense 01:46:45 I finished SG-1 before watching SGA 01:46:51 Arc_Koen: They find it in the premiere for Atlantis 01:47:18 sooo you're saying at the beginning of season 9 they have already found it? 01:47:24 yes 01:47:25 they failed to mention that 01:47:26 for an entire season 01:47:36 no it was definitely a relevant plot point in Mobius 01:47:47 I thought they only had the arctantica outpost 01:47:54 I'm pretty sure at beginning of some season Daniel wants to go to Atlantis, and treats it as a regular but lengthy trip 01:48:05 antarctica 01:48:29 oh, yes he did mention having to get aboard the daedalus 01:48:37 though never said where it was heading 01:48:47 or rather, not at a time where I was listening 01:48:58 There's an SG-1 episode late in Season 9 that takes place a fair bit on Atlantis 01:49:14 in fact it took me a certain time to make the connection with the "new ship" they had described previously 01:49:53 so, I should watch the first season of SGA before I continue with season 9? 01:49:58 I would recommend it 01:50:00 ok 01:50:15 Pegasus Project in particular will make a lot less sense without it 01:50:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:59:15 kmc: Nope. 02:00:34 I don't know many MIT people, though. 02:02:30 kmc: You can also finger gjs@mit.edu 02:02:44 I guess that won't tell you their shell. 02:36:47 what the fuck lenovo 02:36:49 why won't you take my money 02:37:44 They'd be happy take your money and give you an unsatisfactory product. 02:37:56 Or they'd be happy to take a lot of your money in AUD form. 02:37:57 true 02:38:05 even then they won't ship it to USA 02:38:53 You should move to .au. 02:38:54 In protest. 02:39:40 seriously 02:46:12 fuck lenovo 02:46:17 i wish there were any other credible option 02:51:22 Is there not? 02:54:25 i think the pointing stick is a must-have feature for me 02:54:56 though if i didn't have one, maybe i would get better at avoiding the mouse and that would be good 02:56:11 not a lot of ultrabooks have it 02:58:04 the Latitude 6430u does but it weighs almost a pound more than the X1c 03:00:08 screen sucks too 03:00:16 what is this 1366 x 768 bullshit 03:02:51 :-( 03:03:10 You can get a $400 10" tablet with a 2560×1600 screen these days. 03:03:17 What's happening to laptops? 03:05:23 well 03:05:27 apple has the retina display 03:05:33 PC manufacturers will copy it within 1-3 years 03:05:38 that's how the industry works 03:13:36 :-( 03:24:38 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: It's a ship. 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Reminds me more of Alaska than Hawaii, since there are other intervening countries between the US mainland and it. 07:23:10 gotta be careful of the threat of invasion from haiti. 07:27:05 If Puerto Rico wanted independence instead, would that be possible? 07:27:36 Technically. 07:27:40 My understanding is if they go state, they can't go back. I think there was some war about it 07:27:51 it's not like territories haven't become independent before. 07:27:58 That war was a clusterfuck. 07:28:07 Sgeo: They can't go back without permission 07:28:25 Ah 07:28:39 If a state really wanted to secede and it wasn't over something stupid, they could try to rustle support for an amendment to allow secession 07:28:55 (they could try that if it was over something stupid too; it would just be less likely to work) 07:29:22 In principle a bunch of states could boot one out. 07:29:23 "Once you go tentacle, you stay in the pentacle", like they say. 07:29:36 We could just decide to make a new amendment: "Texas is not a state." 07:29:45 And approve it via convention. 07:29:45 yes, Phillipines used to be a US territory 07:30:28 ...I almost mentally mixed up the Phillipines and Paraguay 07:30:44 good for you 07:31:03 of course, the philippines had previously had a few wars about becoming independent, which I don't think is true of puerto rico 07:31:56 pikhq_: true 07:32:42 Heck, in theory the entire US could be disbanded that way. 07:32:52 Without Congress even being involved. 07:36:36 amend the constitution to remove every word 07:36:56 and replace it with a picture of a duck 07:37:24 would the laws passed by Congress continue to have force even if the constitution were nullified? 07:37:50 i guess there is no framework for answering that question 07:37:57 except Common Law™ 07:38:06 kmc: Only in DC. 07:38:07 :) 07:38:17 Congress is the government of DC. 07:39:07 Well, if we assume that laws must get their authority from the Constitution, where does the Constitution get its authority from? IIRC, the Constitution wasn't validly transitioned to under the Articles of Confederation 07:39:21 Sgeo: Consent of the governed. 07:40:49 and the Articles of Confederation were never approved by the King! 07:41:38 but yeah, blah blah consent of the governed blah handwave common law social contract mumble mumble we used our guns to shoot the other guys you didn't like and now we say what goes 07:41:56 Yup. 07:42:32 it's funny how similar organized crime and government are 07:43:15 i mean, i'm a liberal, i like taxation and government services, but I still agree with the libertarian premise that at a basic level, taxation is theft 07:43:20 i would say that it's the lesser of two evils 07:43:24 Hmm, wondering how to make a nomic that does that sort of thing, that the rules can be ignored if there's a war or people ... vaguely agree 07:43:30 people suck and deserve to have some of their stuff stolen from time to time for the greater good 07:45:03 kmc: So, in short, you're a utilitarian who is honest about what is actually going on. :) 07:45:11 i flatter myself by thinking so, yes 07:46:13 gotta sleep now, ttyl all 07:48:28 -!- ais523 has quit. 07:50:07 pikhq_: Congress still has to call the convention 07:50:23 -!- augur_ has joined. 07:50:39 kmc, pikhq_: your government is scary can you make it stop 07:50:43 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:56:38 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 07:59:08 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:02:44 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:06:25 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:13:00 -!- nooga has joined. 09:02:34 -!- pumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:10:52 -!- copumpkin has joined. 09:10:56 -!- carado has joined. 09:18:09 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 09:21:46 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:54:27 -!- MoALTz_ has joined. 10:57:19 -!- nortti_ has joined. 10:57:20 -!- nortti has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:57:40 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 11:09:05 olsner: ;< 11:21:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:01:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:26:02 -!- nortti_ has changed nick to nortti. 12:34:42 -!- ogrom has joined. 12:45:52 -!- carado has joined. 12:47:02 -!- carado_ has joined. 12:47:06 -!- carado_ has quit (Client Quit). 12:56:11 -!- boily has joined. 13:05:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:19:05 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 13:36:40 -!- soundnfury has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:39:40 -!- soundnfury has joined. 13:47:13 -!- impomatic has joined. 13:48:58 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: begone). 14:06:27 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:47:34 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:53:01 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 15:14:41 -!- Bike has joined. 15:14:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:17:31 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:17:43 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:18:55 -!- carado has joined. 15:22:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:23:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:35:17 -!- hagb4rd|outoford has joined. 15:42:50 -!- ogrom has joined. 15:50:37 -!- augur has joined. 16:09:00 -!- atriq has joined. 16:11:31 -!- 14WAANJK4 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:22:43 -!- Vorpal has joined. 16:22:47 -!- ogrom has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:23:12 -!- ogrom has joined. 16:32:09 -!- nooga has joined. 16:35:02 -!- atriq has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:36:33 so, ancient egyptians don't speak english 16:36:51 but other species from other galaxies do 16:37:20 I'm starting to think this Babel episode on earth really happened :) 16:40:57 -!- elliott has joined. 16:44:44 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 16:55:07 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 17:14:05 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:18:51 wow, modern GPUs really don't like 16-bit colour modes... 17:20:09 -!- atriq has joined. 17:21:03 wtf 17:21:06 my system's rogue package just got updated 17:21:17 what rogue package? 17:21:34 the package for rogue 17:21:35 oh you mean like not in the upstream distro? 17:21:37 oh 17:21:45 so not that meaning of rogue 17:21:51 well, yes that meaning of rogue 17:21:51 read the changelog! 17:22:03 apparently it was just moved from the AUR into the official repositories 17:22:04 what a letdown 17:22:07 heh 17:22:15 elliott, you use arch still? 17:22:42 yes 17:22:55 elliott, since I basically switched away from arch you might be interested in picking up maintainership of c-intercal and tup-git on AUR 17:23:29 I disowned those packages, I don't see myself using arch again any time soon 17:23:35 elliott, your existence is driving me insane 17:23:42 Vorpal: why did you switch away from arch anyway 17:23:53 I see someone vaguely my age I don't recognize and think "That might be elliott" 17:23:55 "Who knows" 17:24:13 atriq: you probably want to be looking for someone who looks younger than you 17:24:21 Okay 17:26:27 elliott, I no longer have the time to spend on maintaining it. Sure it isn't as bad as Gentoo, but compared to Debian it is still a lot of work. So I went for Debian 17:26:34 (Debian testing) 17:26:48 clear solution is linux from scratch 17:26:51 hah 17:27:10 one thing I do miss is PKGBUILD though, they are a hell of a lot simpler to figure out than debian's package building system. 17:27:13 i actually find arch fairly low-maintanence personally... the only time i had to spend more effort than -Syu recently was the systemd switch 17:27:19 yes dpkg is sort of a mess 17:27:21 elliott, also at the time I switched we *still* didn't have -dbg packages on arch 17:27:30 have they fixed that yet? 17:27:56 there are no separate debug packages 17:28:00 maybe they turned debugging on in the real packages idk 17:28:18 Also multilib. On arch that was a joke 17:28:34 i've had no problems with arch's multilib repo 17:28:54 it's complete enough for DF at least (in fact DF itself is in the multilib repo) 17:29:17 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:29:39 elliott, sure but try to compile anything non-trivial with -m32 17:30:11 what is the problem? I have gcc-multilib installed and plenty of lib32-* packages 17:30:48 Maybe they improved that in the last few months then 17:30:52 elliott: There will always will be something with a -m32 missing or something that will try to use 64-bit stuff anyway 17:31:18 FreeFull: that sounds like a multilib problem in general 17:31:22 iirc I had problems finding a 32-bit unixodbc package the last time or something like that 17:31:23 rather than anything to do with arch 17:31:25 Just using gcc built with an x86 32-bit target is easier 17:31:39 do you know the context 17:31:47 anyway i don't like -m32 either but whatever 17:32:30 Debian's multilib transition was really quite messy, especially back when tools like Aptitude couldn't really show architectures; you ended up with a lot of weirdly duplicate-looking packages. 17:32:49 These days at least Aptitude seems to be reasonably good at tagging ":i386" to names. 17:37:08 fizzie: If only they used Kitten's solution. 17:52:10 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 17:56:30 elliott, and what is that solution? 17:58:51 Vorpal: have everything in triple-specific roots, i.e. on a 64-bit system your 32-bit stuff would be in /i686-linux-gnu/lib/..., /i686-linux-gnu/bin/..., and it'd compile it with /x86_64-linux-gnu/bin/gcc-i-forget-how-gcc-cross-compilers-are-named-but-this-one-is-for-i686 17:58:58 Vorpal: the twist being you can also install architectures you can't even run 17:59:08 like you could have /armel-linux-gnu/ on an x86-64 system 17:59:29 the double twist is: you could tell the package manager to use qemu-system-armel to run armel-linux-gnu binaries, just like it knows to use linux32 to run i686-linux-gnu binaries 17:59:40 anyway there wouldn't be any specific multilib packages 17:59:43 called lenovo, they say there is no launch date set for the X1 Carbon i7 8GB in the US 17:59:54 you'd just do $ pkg install --arch=i686-linux-gnu libwhatever 18:00:03 and something like dwarffortress would only be available for i686-linux-gnu 18:00:03 this is a lot of trouble to go through for 1MB of cache 18:00:31 but, cache rules everything around me 18:01:38 elliott, hm interesting approach 18:02:19 elliott, how do you deal with stuff doing #!/bin/sh and such? Symlink? 18:04:22 There aren't terribly many multilib-specific packages on Debian; it just installs i386 versions of regular packages. The old horrible "ia32-libs" megapackage is nowadays just a metapackage that depends on ia32-libs-multiarch, which is only available on the i386 arch and so gets installed, and which depends on the libraries that the old ia32-libs used to contain. 18:04:26 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 18:04:27 Admittedly the whole thing is still slightly gnarly; but at least you can install almost anything from Debian-i386 without problems. Or so I believe. 18:04:59 cross-architecture chroots work really well actually 18:05:04 schroot can set them up automatically 18:05:06 (Instead of having to file a bug about "there's no ia32 version of libstrumpbyxor, I can't run my favourite software".) 18:05:14 Vorpal: yes, /bin would be a symlink to /x86_64-linux-gnu/bin or such. actually you could have a "customised" /bin where it symlinks individual executables but e.g. if you tell it you want the ARM version of xchat as your /bin/xchat (for some reason??), it'd install a shell script that does "qemu-system-blah /armel-blah-blah/blah/xchat "$@"" 18:05:32 Vorpal: or actually you could probably just symlink directly to the armel binary and use the linux kernel's misc executables thing to have it run them with qemu 18:05:36 and it uses binfmt_misc 18:05:36 but you "get the idea" 18:05:47 so that you can run an ARM executable on x86 transparently 18:05:50 pretty sexy 18:05:52 binfmt_misc is *really scary*. 18:05:57 it's the best 18:05:57 right, binfmt_misc is what i meant 18:06:04 fizzie: right, Debian does it righter than most other people 18:06:07 I accidentally ran an ARM executable, and didn't even notice until after. 18:06:19 elliott, right 18:06:20 sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools qemu-user-static; mk-sbuild --arch=armel precise; sudo schroot -c precise-armel-source 18:06:35 fizzie, "libstrumpbyxor"? hah 18:06:58 libschtroumpf 18:07:33 Vorpal: actually I think the last time I was thinking about Kitten this ended up merging with Nix 18:07:39 in which case you wouldn't need the triple prefixes at all 18:08:48 hah 18:09:38 basically my point is that i686 shouldn't be treated specially for x86-64 18:09:41 elliott, btw I have been thinking about /etc a bit. While tools like etckeeper allows version control of it, there is an issue. It doesn't keep track of the point of diverging. 18:09:45 you can just do it as part of a general "installing other architecture binaries" 18:09:48 which means less automated merging 18:10:03 a three way merge would be perfect for changed config files 18:10:32 elliott, you should support that in Kitten in some way 18:11:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:11:25 Vorpal: well with nix you never actually change /etc, so maybe i could take advantage of that somehow 18:11:31 i don't think i'll actually be writing kitten any time soon though :P 18:11:35 well okay, that works too 18:11:43 packaging is just way too much work 18:11:47 agreed 18:33:21 -!- mindlessDrone has joined. 18:36:23 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 18:40:33 -!- mindlessDrone has left. 18:47:20 -!- impomatic has joined. 19:37:07 PhantomJS (headless scriptable webkit browser) does some crazy things with closures 19:38:14 your script runs in its own environment, but you can pass a closure to .evaluate() and it will use globals from the loaded web page instead 19:39:23 Well that's horrifying. 19:39:42 Does it even close? 19:40:07 i think you can use lexical locals, yes 19:40:13 it might even look in your environment first for globals 19:40:24 it's definitely weird, but i'm not sure it's worse than the alternatives 19:40:27 which would be, what, string eval? 19:40:49 in Kernel you can play these tricks of course 19:40:56 because environments are first-class and 'eval' takes an explicit environment 19:47:19 no you can't use lexical locals :/ 19:48:16 but you can explicitly pass a dictionary of stuff 19:51:31 hm, new humble bundle out 19:59:10 In Clojure you can fake an eval that takes a concrete lexical environment 19:59:30 And write a macro that obtains the lexical environment where it's expanded 20:18:14 What's the word that means censoring with asterisks? E.g. Brainf***? 20:18:44 I don't think it has a special name 20:20:49 it ought to be called something offensive 20:21:13 ****ing censorship 20:21:55 censorshi* 20:22:07 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:23:51 I seem to remember there's a name, but I can only find grawlix which isn't for a specific swear word... 20:23:57 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:24:55 Bowlderization? 20:25:37 Bowdlerization? (Although I think that's a specific form of... oh, you're saying specifically with *) 20:27:17 oh, "Named after Thomas Bowdler (1754-1825), who first did it on The Bible and William Shakespeare's plays" 20:27:32 Thanks. That's the one I was thinking of! It's not as specific as I thought though... 20:27:52 'Craig Cockburn reported that he was unable to use his surname (pronounced "Coburn") with Hotmail. Separately he had problems with his workplace email due to the string "cialis" within his job title of "software specialist".' 20:28:32 This is the problem with profanity and dump spam filters 20:28:35 dumb* 20:28:59 yes, if everyone just stopped being so damn profane 20:29:36 -!- augur has joined. 20:29:38 (which may or may not be a valid way to use the word 'profane') 20:30:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:33:55 A clbuttic problem. 20:34:19 indeed 20:37:49 1337 o'clock whee 20:38:01 2137 actually 20:39:24 Was totally 1337 here 20:43:09 zzet o'clock. 20:43:47 There's a channel I know where people used to do a long _o/ \o_ kind of dance during the minute 13:37 quite often. 20:45:07 hehe "Before Thomas Bowdler got a reputation one would have refered to this trope as the castration of stories." 20:45:51 \o_ 20:45:53 oh wait 20:46:00 need moar scripts loaded 20:46:23 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:47:07 myndzi: hi 20:47:09 -!- copumpkin has joined. 20:49:17 ah whoops 20:49:21 bug in a 10 year old script 20:49:22 haha 20:49:33 does it work yet? \o/ 20:49:39 blah 20:50:43 new version of mirc appears to have broken my 177kb script file 20:50:43 lol 20:51:16 oh dear 20:51:17 ➵ 20:51:17 ➶ ➴ 20:51:17 * myndzi * 20:51:24 well at least that far down they work 20:51:25 haha 20:52:15 !hang rstlne ?o??oo? 20:52:24 oh, no file for it 20:52:30 new computers suck man 20:52:44 i haven't wanted to load my old copy of mirc because the paths have changed 20:52:48 and it will auto-remove like half my scripts 20:53:00 but i have all these random misc. files in the folder too haha 20:53:11 such as the scrabble wordlist that the hangman script uses ;) 20:53:38 at least my maze lineart properly lines up though! 20:54:18 mircscript :(((( 20:54:30 yeah yeah 20:54:48 myndzi: my condolences 20:54:54 ahh, apparently the proper unicode support broke the regex which was using pseudo-tf 20:55:01 hardly, mirc is great 20:55:04 this script sounds exciting 20:55:11 and awful 20:55:14 oh yes 20:55:16 this is test.mrc 20:55:22 it's where i write random shit that i don't care about 20:55:33 how could you not care about \o/ 20:55:34 you'll lol at the \o/ guy event definition 20:55:37 on $*:text:m/(?]|([.·oº])_Â?(?!\2)[.·oº]|ಠ‿ರೃ)(?!\w)/gS:#:{ 20:55:37 ¯|¯⌠ 20:55:37 |\| 20:55:50 things that start out simple, y'know? 20:55:56 wow 20:56:01 i, 20:56:04 hehe 20:56:05 ... 20:56:05 is that... a regex? 20:56:10