00:10:55 <Phantom__Hoover> i have a horrible feeling that youtube have updated their featured videos algorithms of late to turn it into an advertising venue
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01:41:54 <Arc_Koen> so, I'm writing an ocaml module for a circular buffer with multiple pointers
01:42:24 <Arc_Koen> that can be useful for instance for interpreters for languages like ETAS or Circlefuck
01:42:51 <Arc_Koen> now what should I call it? "buffer.ml"? "circular.ml"?
01:43:15 <Arc_Koen> given that it will give its name to the circular buffer type
01:43:41 <Arc_Koen> (and so functions will be accessed with names such as Circular.pop or Circular.push or whatever)
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01:59:03 <Sgeo__> With OCaml, is it feasible to change code while it's running?
01:59:33 <Bike> is that something you need to do
02:00:03 <Sgeo__> It's something that can be convenient to do.
02:00:25 <Arc_Koen> note that I know of
02:00:28 <Arc_Koen> not*
02:00:57 <Arc_Koen> I do use some dirty stuff sometimes, like interrupting for loops using exceptions
02:02:23 <Arc_Koen> (in fact I don't consider it dirty at all - when a for loop is preceded by the declaration of an exception named "Interrupt_loop of (something)" I consider it's explicit enough
02:08:35 <Arc_Koen> aaaaand it's way past bedtime again
02:08:44 <Arc_Koen> have a fun night and see you tomorrow
02:08:54 <Arc_Koen> or not, I have stuff to do tomorrow
02:12:11 <Arc_Koen> btw quintopia you will need to give me more info about ETAS, like where does the data pointer start, etc.
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02:28:38 <kmc> circlejerk.ml
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03:33:55 <Sgeo__> *sigh* I think The Onion got something wrong, in a context of facts being presented as though they were surprising
03:34:06 <Sgeo__> http://www.theonion.com/articles/widening-petraeus-scandal-reveals-human-race-has-b,30368/
03:34:34 <Sgeo__> Isaac Newton is on the list of people purported to have had sex.
03:35:11 <kmc> is it definitively established that he didn't?
03:36:13 <Sgeo__> I think he at least claimed to be
03:36:23 <Sgeo__> erm, be a virgin
03:36:54 <Bike> he also claimed to know where the temple of solomon was and that the world would end in 2060
03:37:59 <Sgeo__> I thought it was that the world wouldn't end before 2060 (not that that makes it more reasonable)
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03:51:58 <kmc> i wanna know where the GOLD at
03:52:55 <Sgeo__> I'm right here.
03:53:11 <Bike> huh, you are gold in my client.  how'd you do that
03:53:54 <Sgeo__> Who is you?
03:54:12 <Bike> white
03:54:24 <Bike> oh.  I mean sgeo__.
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04:06:36 <kmc> white people itt
04:20:00 <Sgeo__> A truthful The Onion article? o.O
04:20:01 <Sgeo__> http://www.theonion.com/articles/extensive-faq-page-dispels-any-lingering-confusion,30317/
04:20:29 <Sgeo__> (Well, there is a BostonDuckTours.com with a large FAQ, at least)
04:20:58 <kmc> a lot of onion articles are truthful
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04:24:02 <kmc> "As they scoured the Internet for more juicy details about former CIA director David Petraeus’ affair with biographer Paula Broadwell, Americans were reportedly horrified today upon learning that a protracted, bloody war involving U.S. forces is currently raging in the nation of Afghanistan."
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04:40:14 <shachaf> `WeLcOmE lightquake
04:40:27 <HackEgo> LiGhTqUaKe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
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04:49:24 <quintopia> shachaf: Is There An All Initial Caps Welcome Message?
04:49:35 <quintopia> `Welcome quintopia 
04:49:39 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Welcome: not found
04:49:43 <quintopia> tsk
04:53:26 <kmc> Is there A Shubshub Welcome message That Capitalizes words Seemingly At random?
04:55:13 <shachaf> kmc: shubshub is a spy, transmitting secret messages a bit at a time via capitalization.
05:02:30 <ion> `run cat bin/WeLcOmE
05:02:34 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())"
05:04:28 <kmc> use enumerate
05:04:30 <kmc> for shame
05:10:44 <ion> and "$@"
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05:13:09 <kmc> `run WeLcOmE toadrats lizzards
05:13:13 <HackEgo> ToAdRaTs: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
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05:33:48 <Sgeo__> That link doesn't work
05:34:26 <Sgeo__> There is also apparently no lightquake, no toadrats, and no lizzards
05:35:12 <shachaf> @ty interact (zipWith ($) (cycle [toUpper,toLower]))
05:35:13 <lambdabot> IO ()
05:36:10 <shachaf> `run echo blah | ghc -e 'interact (zipWith ($) (cycle [toUpper,toLower]))'
05:36:16 <HackEgo> ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
05:36:18 <shachaf> :-(
05:36:21 <shachaf> Gregor!
05:36:34 <Gregor> Yes, I killed GHC.
05:36:36 <Gregor> Deal.
05:37:59 <shachaf> Does Python have an equivalent of cycle?
05:39:05 <Bike> huh, are circular lists that common in haskell?
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05:39:36 <shachaf> Why not?
05:39:39 <ion> while True: yield "foo"; yield "bar" or something.
05:39:51 <shachaf> Haskell lists aren't just data structures; they're control structures.
05:39:59 <shachaf> A list is vaguely equivalent to a loop.
05:40:28 <ion> def foo(xs): while True: for x in xs: yield x
05:40:33 <Bike> Neat
05:40:47 <shachaf> ion: Sure, but this is one-liner-land.
05:41:01 <kmc> itertools might have it
05:41:01 <ion> There are essentially no oneliners in Python. ;-)
05:41:12 <ion> It only lets you use the layout syntax.
05:41:21 <Sgeo__> from __future__ import braces
05:41:52 <Sgeo__> `run echo "from __future_ import braces" | python
05:41:56 <HackEgo> Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> \ ImportError: No module named __future_
05:42:01 <Sgeo__> `run echo "from __future__ import braces" | python
05:42:05 <HackEgo> File "<stdin>", line 1 \ SyntaxError: not a chance
05:42:12 <Bike> hah?
05:42:41 <ion> Yeah, itertools has cycle()
05:42:57 <ion> How pretty: http://docs.python.org/2/library/itertools.html#itertools.cycle
05:43:15 <ion> Because xs might be an iterator and you can’t rewind iterators.
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06:13:36 <kmc> it's weird that there are still so many places where freight trains run down the middle of the street
06:14:19 <shachaf> freightfully many
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07:42:22 <Sgeo__> " it's a simple, declarative language (think prolog with dependent types)"
07:42:27 <Sgeo__> Another language to fall in love with?
07:45:14 <fizzie> And out of, later on.
07:45:34 <Sgeo__> Note to self, read up on http://twelf.org
07:46:47 <Bike> weird how wikis are the new style
07:46:55 <fizzie> Zwölf.
07:47:09 <Bike> also weird how the site won't load but eh
07:47:25 <Sgeo__> Bike, it's just slow, not down.
07:47:45 <Bike> i'm impatient, so those are the same.
07:48:15 <Bike> the general description is... rather less technical than I would have hoped.
07:48:59 <fizzie> It's for "visitors without a technical background", what did you expect? 
07:49:43 <Bike> something that doesn't spend a paragraph explaining what java is.  who who doesn't have some idea of that is going to be able to use a theorem prover?
07:51:01 <Sgeo__> Mathematicians? Although in this case, the theorems seem to be about ... programming languages, I ... think
07:51:20 <Bike> bla bla curry-howard bla
07:51:29 <Bike> seems to be related to martin-lof types though, that's kinda neat.
07:53:56 * Sgeo__ has no idea what martin-lof types are
07:54:48 <Bike> intuitionistic type theory.  look up the name, he's done some neat shit
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08:20:06 <quintopia> ^tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
08:20:19 <quintopia> how does that thing work again
08:20:29 <quintopia> >tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
08:20:41 <quintopia> `tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
08:20:46 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tell: not found
08:22:59 <fizzie> You're loking for @.
08:23:03 <fizzie> Looking.
08:23:59 <quintopia> @tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
08:23:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
08:24:03 <fizzie> ^def tell ul (I think you mean @tell instead?)S
08:24:04 <fungot> Defined.
08:24:05 <fizzie> ^save
08:24:06 <fungot> OK.
08:24:11 <fizzie> ^tell someone something
08:24:11 <fungot> I think you mean @tell instead?
08:24:12 * quintopia hugs fizzie
08:24:35 <quintopia> give hackbot one tooo
08:24:41 <fizzie> We're all about helpfulness on #esoteric, it's our defining trait.
08:26:16 <fizzie> `tell someone something
08:26:19 <HackEgo> I think you mean "@tell someone something" instead?
08:28:18 <Sgeo__> `echo $PATH
08:28:22 <HackEgo> ​$PATH
08:28:25 <Sgeo__> ...
08:28:29 <Sgeo__> `run echo $PATH
08:28:32 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
08:28:55 <Sgeo__> Oh, fizzie already did it
08:29:21 <Sgeo__> `echo bin/tell
08:29:24 <HackEgo> bin/tell
08:29:35 <Sgeo__> `paste cat bin/tell
08:29:38 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4674 \ cat: cat bin/tell: No such file or directory
08:29:43 <Sgeo__> `paste bin/tell
08:29:47 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3935
08:30:17 <Sgeo__> `paste bin/paste
08:30:21 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5734
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08:40:21 <shachaf> Why is cheater such a troll?
08:40:40 <shachaf> Even when he's ostensibly trying to be helpful he's a troll.
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09:14:00 <Sgeo__> monqy, something.
09:17:40 <monqy> ok sgeo
09:22:48 <shachaf> monqy, everything.
09:23:01 <monqy> ok
09:23:41 <shachaf> monqy, should i stop playing the "say things to monqy game"
09:24:30 <monqy> it's a pretty old game and maybe should be put out of its misery ?
09:25:56 <shachaf> OK.
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09:40:21 <fizzie> Spotted on the wall today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w27d3bwpo5w9y6e/20121115_001.jpg (For the record, "sähköpääkeskus" = main distribution board, main distribution room.)
09:40:30 <fizzie> (The non-post-it note has been there for years.)
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10:37:29 <shachaf> kmc: Do you think there's a point to adding a spawn-equivalent function to async?
10:38:24 <fizzie> Also, why doesn't "dropbox puburl" work? It outputs URLs just fine, but I just get a 404 for them.
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13:59:08 <elliott> ais523: hi, are you there?
13:59:09 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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14:20:44 <elliott> http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/137156/this_is_unacceptable_cabal/ area man uses free software, asks for money back
14:21:15 <elliott> "Re: your edit, rants have gotten me solutions. They make people who are able to make changes to prevent said rants aware of the problem. I do feel entitled to complain, and I will complain in the future when I feel like something has been a letdown."
14:21:43 <elliott> hey wouldn't it be great if people didn't help people who asked questions rudely so that this didn't happen!
14:21:45 <elliott> someone should tell #haskell
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14:32:13 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, he doesn't ask for his money back?
14:33:17 <elliott> area man makes analogy as joke, is corrected
14:35:54 <Phantom_Hoover> i guess it's just my tendency to side against whoever first says 'entitled'
14:36:33 <elliott> you cannot say "This is unacceptable." to a project that never once agreed to do anything for you; it is the definition of entitlement
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14:37:17 <fizzie> Area man fights volume man, several length men trampled in the ensuing chaos.
14:37:36 <Phantom_Hoover> area man / area man / area man fights volume man?
14:38:02 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover++
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14:38:22 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, idk, there are reasonable expectations about what a thing will do 
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14:39:14 <elliott> "I am having problems with package management because cabal isn't quite as good as it could be" is not one of those reasonable expectations
14:39:28 <elliott> "This sucks" would be equally rude but not as entitled, for reference
14:39:43 <elliott> anyway if you think that post is reasonable then you are probably used to being more hostile than you have a right to is all I can say
14:40:49 <elliott> ais523: "Before the comments section fills up with objections, I should state that there are many sources of bias in this approach, not least of which are bias in the creation of tasks, bias in the kinds of persons who provide solutions, and selectivity in which tasks have been solved. But if we worry about such problems too much, we never do anything!" -- Wolfram blog
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16:37:59 <AnotherTest> Hello
16:38:37 <atriq> Hey
16:41:41 <Phantom_Hoover> hey atriq 
16:41:41 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
16:41:45 <Phantom_Hoover> i am going
16:41:48 <Phantom_Hoover> to play df
16:41:59 <atriq> Oh no!
16:42:04 <Phantom_Hoover> once i get around to modding the minerals to be actually bearable
16:42:07 <atriq> Might join you, actually
16:43:19 <Phantom_Hoover> can't remember what i actually changed though
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16:55:58 <atriq> Right, it's running the history now
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17:07:20 <Phantom_Hoover> note to self: for fuck's sake be more careful when pouring tea
17:08:56 <atriq> It's for those kind of incidents I don't drink tea
17:09:54 <Phantom_Hoover> anyway yeah http://sprunge.us/gbDK
17:10:07 <Phantom_Hoover> patch da
17:10:18 <Phantom_Hoover> patch raw/objects/inorganic_stone_mineral.txt with that
17:10:45 <Phantom_Hoover> it makes non-sedimentary layers actually worthwhile.
17:11:23 <atriq> Aww, I just generated a large world
17:13:16 <Phantom_Hoover> ah
17:13:36 <Phantom_Hoover> also that's incomplete; i haven't added the reaction to turn anthracite to coke yet
17:14:06 <atriq> If there's no good settlement for me on this world, I'll wait for the final version of your patch
17:17:48 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: what do you have against non-sedimentary layers
17:17:56 <elliott> challenge: only use non-sedimentary layers?? see you ruined that challenge
17:18:18 <Phantom_Hoover> In vanilla DF? They're just the things you dig through to get to the magma sea.
17:20:09 <elliott> still :'(
17:21:01 <atriq> elliott is a purist
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17:23:26 <Phantom_Hoover> http://sprunge.us/BjGA for reaction_smelter.txt
17:24:09 <Phantom_Hoover> http://sprunge.us/BOKD for entity_default.txt
17:24:38 <atriq> Are these meant to be appended or to replace?
17:24:53 <atriq> Oh wait
17:24:59 <atriq> There's a notation I've just picked up on
17:25:34 <Phantom_Hoover> it's a patch file, although the way i did it you can't actually use it with patch
17:25:46 <Phantom_Hoover> as elliott will no doubt delight in mocking me for
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17:26:39 <elliott> you mock yourself just fine
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17:27:10 <Phantom_Hoover> ...is there really no way of controlling the file your patch will be applied to?
17:27:49 <elliott> what
17:31:30 <Phantom_Hoover> well it seems like the file that actually gets patched is just determined by the header
17:31:44 <Phantom_Hoover> i would've expected there'd be a command line option to override taht
17:31:47 <Phantom_Hoover> *that
17:32:25 <elliott> i have no idea what you are trying to do
17:33:44 <Phantom_Hoover> ...use those diffs with patch to automatically edit the raw files?
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17:35:50 <atriq> Okay, the fauna here is one kiwi, one echidna, and three porcupines
17:36:09 <atriq> I wonder if I can capture the echidna and eat its eggs
17:36:37 <Phantom_Hoover> why are you in new zealand
17:37:02 <atriq> You don't find either echidnas or porcupines in New Zealand
17:37:10 <atriq> As far as I am aware
17:37:19 <Phantom_Hoover> new zealand, australia, what's the difference
17:38:07 <Phantom_Hoover> so anyway i'm planning to try that pillar fortress again
17:38:26 <Phantom_Hoover> except this time, with minecarts
17:39:13 <atriq> There aren't any porcupines in Australia either
17:40:18 <Phantom_Hoover> new south australia
17:48:07 <hagb4rd> yea new zealand..that's where she's gone.. fucking kiwis
17:49:48 <Phantom_Hoover> oh dear hagb4rd did your girlfriend leave you for new zealand
17:50:08 <hagb4rd> right
17:52:21 <hagb4rd> no porcupine huh?
17:52:23 <Phantom_Hoover> damn new zealand
17:52:32 <hagb4rd> absolutely
17:52:33 <Phantom_Hoover> his rugged good looks get all the chicks
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17:53:08 <hagb4rd> yea.. and whome shall i fuck to get in there?
17:53:15 <hagb4rd> no
17:53:26 <hagb4rd> this option is gone forever
17:54:18 <elliott> hi
17:54:23 <hagb4rd> hi
17:55:58 <Phantom_Hoover> this is the... third most surreal thing i've seen this week
17:56:06 <atriq> This chat?
17:56:19 <Phantom_Hoover> hagb4rd
17:56:38 <atriq> This kind of thing is almost normal for me
17:56:38 <hagb4rd> uh that's nothing you should hear me play piano
17:58:25 <quintopia> yes we should
17:58:46 <quintopia> i will accept a midi if you dont like ogg
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18:22:54 <hagb4rd> you can have a tiny riddle if you like.. what am i talking about?
18:22:59 <hagb4rd> it's greater than god but more wicked than the devil
18:23:03 <hagb4rd> the poor have it
18:23:04 <hagb4rd> the rich need it
18:23:11 <hagb4rd> if you eat it
18:23:13 <hagb4rd> you die
18:23:16 <hagb4rd> ?
18:24:37 <hagb4rd> (no it's not elliott)
18:25:51 <elliott> pretty sure it's elliott
18:29:20 <Phantom_Hoover> hagb4rd, cyanide
18:30:11 <hagb4rd> no..
18:31:27 <hagb4rd> gur nafjre vf: abguvat
18:39:36 <quintopia> nooooooothiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
18:39:46 <hagb4rd> hey!
18:39:52 <hagb4rd> we got a winner
18:39:59 <quintopia> its an old one
18:40:05 <hagb4rd> :/
18:40:07 <kmc> let's see what's in the box!!
18:40:18 <hagb4rd> it's candy
18:40:32 <quintopia> if you eat it, you die!
18:40:39 <hagb4rd> if you eat nothing
18:40:51 <hagb4rd> no
18:41:01 <hagb4rd> have you fed sgeo btw?
18:41:01 <elliott> pretty sure it is elliott guys
18:41:07 <hagb4rd> hehe
18:41:09 <hagb4rd> yea
18:41:55 <quintopia> hi elliott 
18:43:07 <kmc> i was going to guess "cock"
18:43:11 <nortti> that guy is crazy: http://toastytech.com/files/95browsing.html
18:44:08 <elliott> -- nortti "64 megs of RAM forever" nortti
18:44:24 <kmc> http://toastytech.com/evil/index.html
18:44:30 <olsner> how old/new is SeaMonkey 1.1.20pre?
18:44:54 <nortti> olsner: seamonkey 1.1 uses same rendering engine as ff2
18:45:16 <olsner> how old is ff2?
18:46:18 <olsner> ah, 2006, that's not too bad
18:47:05 <hagb4rd> cmon.. everything changed in the past six years
18:47:45 <olsner> nah, not really
18:48:33 <hagb4rd> the folks started to read the documentation of javascript
18:48:56 <hagb4rd> and that changed everythign
18:49:20 <hagb4rd> no really. i begin to like it
18:52:26 <hagb4rd> there is a young demo scene growing out there.. well protected from sight by shitty seo configuration
18:54:33 <quintopia> kmc: is your cock greater than god?
18:57:16 <kmc> oh yeah
18:57:23 <kmc> bigger than jesus
19:01:16 <hagb4rd> that is a real oldskool reinvented method of getting things 'animated'..
19:01:27 <hagb4rd> affecting the palette! http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
19:01:35 <hagb4rd> really like it
19:04:01 <hagb4rd> cmon guys tell me you're shedding tears of joy now
19:09:59 <kmc> yeah these are nice
19:12:26 <kmc> it's not just "reinvented", these images were actually created 20 years ago
19:12:30 <kmc> http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
19:13:19 <hagb4rd> yea. but this time iT
19:13:28 <hagb4rd> it's donw with canvas and js
19:14:03 <hagb4rd> which is not the point
19:14:23 <kmc> does anything, like, have a point, man?
19:15:16 <FreeFull> The important point is that the colours in the pallete are changing smoothly rather than just changing positions
19:15:33 <kmc> is that also how they were originally displayed on PC hardware
19:16:01 <hagb4rd> the magick was done by these genious potheads peeking and poking some values around the memory to make it happen
19:16:12 <hagb4rd> and that is what i always adored
19:17:06 <hagb4rd> don't know if they all died in between or what
19:17:08 <FreeFull> Well, when you change the VGA palette, it's not a direct memory access
19:17:12 <FreeFull> You have to use the OUT instruction
19:17:19 <hagb4rd> you're boring me
19:17:23 <hagb4rd> thank yo
19:17:32 <kmc> haha
19:17:33 <FreeFull> The genius part is changing it continuously rather than setting it once and then drawing what you want
19:17:54 <FreeFull> If you changed it fast enough, you could get more than 256 colours on the screen
19:18:03 <hagb4rd> the genious part is some you or me never reach
19:18:10 <kmc> dongs
19:18:23 <FreeFull> hagb4rd: Once you know about it, it's easy to do
19:18:29 <FreeFull> But thinking it up probably isn't
19:18:36 <hagb4rd> yes you can go know and copy what you have learned
19:18:46 <hagb4rd> but stop pissing on my grave
19:18:59 <kmc> what are graves for if not pissing
19:19:05 <hagb4rd> okay
19:19:07 <kmc> i wonder if anyone has a functional urinal as a gravestone
19:19:11 <kmc> that would be pretty cool
19:19:14 <kmc> subvert the blah blah
19:19:22 <hagb4rd> kmc :D
19:19:32 <hagb4rd> okay
19:19:40 <FreeFull> I'm impressed with the artist that made the pictures
19:19:55 <kmc> in some of europe they have these public urinals where are desparately needed in america
19:20:59 <FreeFull> If you click on options, you can see how the palette entries change
19:21:12 <kmc> the ones that are just like one huge piece of plastic with + cross section, shaped into four urinals
19:21:48 <hagb4rd> hehe
19:22:04 <hagb4rd> catch me if i fall :)
19:22:17 <hagb4rd> kmc for president!
19:22:53 <hagb4rd> okay.. thank god(or elliott) we don't need a president here
19:22:57 <FreeFull> kmc: Are you going to have your grave be an urinal?
19:23:13 <kmc> probably not
19:23:39 <hagb4rd> no.. before he dies we will overthink overthrow these ideas
19:23:56 <hagb4rd> and maybe than we come to the conclusion to make it an urinal
19:24:12 <hagb4rd> then
19:24:22 <hagb4rd> shit. always do that wrong
19:24:30 <hagb4rd> then than shizzle
19:24:52 <kmc> shizzle for rizzle
19:25:00 <hagb4rd> righty right
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19:26:23 <hagb4rd> hi sgeo
19:33:41 <quintopia> do you like games hagb4rd 
19:34:40 <hagb4rd> yes, i think so. not as much as 10 years ago but.---sure
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19:34:51 <quintopia> what games do you still like
19:35:28 <hagb4rd> by the fuckin way: elite4 is coming! (seen elliott?)
19:35:47 <quintopia> elliott was here
19:35:51 <hagb4rd> we have talked much bout elite here..did't we?
19:37:23 <hagb4rd> i do not prefer a genre.. but to give you some names: ian bell, john romero, carmack, molyneux, warren spector.. or lord british richard garriott :>
19:37:47 <Phantom_Hoover> hagb4rd, uh i don't know what you're so eager about, it's just hype from a has-been yearning for his glory days
19:38:05 <Phantom_Hoover> sorry, hype and the promise of multiplayer
19:38:19 <quintopia> hagb4rd: i dont know those names really
19:38:20 <hagb4rd> yea.. and i hyped it
19:39:11 <Phantom_Hoover> and a lot of talking about procedural generation like it's a panacea in an age when skyrim runs on standard hardware
19:39:16 <hagb4rd> no. i won't talk about sensuality with tc machines as you are hoover
19:39:26 <hagb4rd> not this time ;)
19:39:51 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm not sure if i want to discuss your robot fetish anyway
19:39:55 <hagb4rd> y do u ask anyway quin?
19:40:52 <hagb4rd> it's that we shall never forget things beeing setup for us.. not us for the things
19:40:59 <hagb4rd> nah..i did it again
19:41:14 <hagb4rd> i'm out. cu later
19:43:13 <quintopia> i want to play some games
19:43:14 <quintopia> so
19:43:19 <quintopia> i want names of games
19:43:37 <Phantom_Hoover> freespace!
19:43:46 <elliott> brogue
19:43:59 <Phantom_Hoover> he said games not shoes
19:45:47 <ion> http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/ http://youtu.be/KAROcbv4gco?t=24s
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20:14:13 <FreeFull> What sort of camera do they use that they are too fast to see with the naked eye but the camera captures?
20:14:36 <FreeFull> High-fps cameras are pretty specialist equipment
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20:26:00 <nortti> http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/p95.flp
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20:28:05 <elliott> what is that
20:28:15 <nortti> ah. wrong channel
20:28:34 <elliott> but what is it
20:28:35 <nortti> but if you want to know it is plan9 on a floppy disk
20:29:02 <elliott> circa 1995??
20:29:06 <nortti> yes
20:29:11 <elliott> ok
20:29:13 <elliott> (why)
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20:29:19 <nortti> why not
20:29:31 * kmc parties
20:29:40 <nortti> it has the old 8½ windowing system instead of rio
20:30:15 <elliott> wasn't 8½ worse than rio in every way tho
20:30:49 <nortti> do you mean from user's or developer's perspective?
20:31:00 <elliott> idk
20:31:00 <elliott> both
20:31:06 <elliott> rio code is pretty simple iirc
20:31:48 <nortti> (btw rio was released in 2002)
20:32:01 <elliott> well
20:32:02 <elliott> so?
20:32:17 <nortti> I thought you were thinking why it didn't have rio
20:32:48 <ion> https://twitter.com/NotANark
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20:34:43 <nortti> well from developers perspective there seems to be not very many differences that I can tell with quick look and on user's perscpective 8½ and rio both work about the same
20:47:35 <kmc> ion: haha
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21:09:19 <atriq> Help
21:09:22 <atriq> I'm a voter
21:10:08 <Gregor> Well there's your problem.
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21:17:38 <coppro> haha
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22:07:02 <Gregor> http://blog.cafepress.com/?p=12190 Behold as CafePress proposes a bad solution to an irrelevant problem! Because they just couldn't stay the hell out of politics ^^
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22:08:00 <kmc> i think you have been trolled Gregor
22:08:55 <atriq> That just made me think of Gregor in grey face-paint and with orange horns
22:09:15 <Gregor> kmc: It's obvious that they're only posting about it to try to ride the politics wave, but that's not the same as trolling.
22:09:26 <elliott> Gregor: u realise that post is pretty obviously a joke rite
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22:10:54 <Gregor> Dood, ur lying, photoshop “make watercolor” filter + printing on canvas = COST SAVINGS
22:11:08 <kmc> split hairs all you like, what i mean is that it's a not terribly serious suggestion, intended to get linked around by people as viral marketing
22:11:08 <elliott>  
22:12:56 <lambdabot> 
22:13:47 <atriq>  
22:13:50 <kmc>  
22:14:17 <Bike> Whitespace
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22:14:30 <kmc> let's all program in Whitespace and get brickbrained
22:19:05 <Phantom_Hoover> wh
22:19:14 <Phantom_Hoover> whitespace isn't a brainfuck derivative
22:19:47 <Bike> Whitefuck.  doubles as the official esolang of stormfront
22:19:50 <atriq> Apparently there is another rogue brickster about
22:19:54 <kmc> oh really
22:19:57 <kmc> my mistake
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22:20:18 <kmc> maybe i should add it to my polyglot then
22:20:24 <Phantom_Hoover> it was also made by one of epigram's creators so i can't really brickbrain him
22:20:53 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: What if I make a Whitespace derivative?
22:20:55 <shachaf> Is my brain safe?
22:21:24 <atriq> Like Black and White and Read All Over?
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22:23:20 <Arc_Koen> hello guys
22:23:21 <lambdabot> Arc_Koen: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
22:23:28 <Arc_Koen> oh, people love me
22:23:33 <Arc_Koen> @messages
22:23:33 <lambdabot> oerjan said 19d 9h 21m 11s ago: that doesn't quite fit my intuition of "reversible" as it seems at best injective and not bijective. btw have you looked at Kayak?
22:23:34 <lambdabot> quintopia said 13h 59m 36s ago: it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
22:24:00 <Arc_Koen> ok
22:24:36 <Arc_Koen> kmc: about your "circlejerk.ml" comment: was it just a joke in reaction to something I had said, or do I really behave like a jerk?
22:24:51 <kmc> no you don't, sorry
22:25:00 <Arc_Koen> ok thank you
22:25:02 <kmc> there was discussion of circular buffers
22:25:15 <kmc> and i was like "hmm, what's like circles but funny? circlejerks, because penis"
22:25:21 <kmc> this is roughly how my mind works
22:25:52 <Arc_Koen> I'm not sure I get the pun but at least I'm sure now :)
22:25:54 <elliott> Arc_Koen: trying to interpret things kmc says?
22:25:56 <elliott> funny joke!!
22:26:00 <kmc> :3
22:26:02 <Arc_Koen> thing is with irc you never know how other people perceive you
22:26:06 <kmc> yeah
22:26:07 <ion> 3:
22:26:07 <kmc> i understand
22:26:18 <shachaf> I can confirm this is a good first-order approximation of kmc's mind.
22:26:20 <elliott> i just assume kmc hates everyone
22:26:28 <kmc> nooooo i like you all
22:26:48 <elliott> what, even Vorpal
22:26:54 <elliott> ok i guess he isn't actually annoying nowadays
22:26:55 <kmc> pretty sure
22:26:59 <elliott> ok i thought of someone else but they're in the channel
22:27:00 <elliott> so i can't say it
22:27:02 <kmc> haha
22:27:05 <atriq> It's funny and a bit depressing when elliott and kmc start talking about the Big Bang Theory (TV channel)
22:27:09 <atriq> *show
22:27:10 <kmc> it's not itidus is it
22:27:22 <elliott> atriq: fsvo talking about equal to idly dissing
22:27:22 <shachaf> Everyone likes itidus!
22:27:25 <elliott> also didn't that happen like once
22:27:28 <elliott> kmc: no it's
22:27:32 <elliott> um
22:27:32 <atriq> elliott, at least twice
22:27:39 <atriq> Is it me
22:27:43 <elliott> kmc: book by faulkner
22:27:53 <kmc> i can't read
22:28:07 <elliott> kmc: macbeth quote??
22:28:26 <elliott> kmc: signifying nothing
22:28:31 <kmc> oh
22:28:43 <kmc> whatever
22:28:50 <elliott> man that took like 15 lines
22:28:53 <elliott> i totally deserve more than whatever
22:28:54 <elliott> you suck, kmc
22:29:01 <kmc> eat a dick
22:29:12 <kmc> eat a dick truancy-bot
22:29:14 <atriq> Wow, I forgot I had Pink Floyd on this computer
22:29:22 <atriq> I'm not a huge fan of Pink Floyd
22:29:24 <elliott> hey has pbf updated since last time i checked
22:29:32 <Bike> nope.
22:29:33 <kmc> haspbfupdatedsinceelliottlastchecked.com
22:29:36 <elliott> goshe it has
22:35:39 <Phantom_Hoover> has eler updated though
22:38:34 <fizzie> Man, the robotfindskitten dev list has been *full* of ESR lately.
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22:43:34 <Phantom_Hoover> wow
22:43:54 <Phantom_Hoover> there are 2 people in this channel who have projects that esr thinks himself the central figure of?
22:44:03 <kmc> fuck that guy
22:44:13 <atriq> Who is esr
22:44:22 <coppro> pbf?
22:44:31 <atriq> Perry Bible Fellowship
22:45:10 <fizzie> I'm not sure about "central figure"; though I did get the feeling from the posts that he's very proud of his git prowess.
22:45:10 <kmc> a shameless self-promoter who has latched onto the free software movement and declared himself a central figure despite doing fuck all
22:45:40 <atriq> Oh, that guy
22:45:54 <atriq> I'm quite proud of my git prowess
22:46:00 <FreeFull> That eric raymond guy
22:46:05 <FreeFull> With a funny face
22:46:07 <Phantom_Hoover> wink-wink, nudge-nudge?
22:46:19 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/NAKQ mainly from that.
22:47:33 <FreeFull> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Esr.jpg
22:47:42 <Phantom_Hoover> i wonder what esr's ego measures in wolframs
22:47:56 <FreeFull> 5 megawolframs
22:48:01 <coppro> FreeFull: uh
22:48:05 <coppro> FreeFull: the scale tops out at 1
22:52:06 <fizzie> "I'll do the merge work - I have a *lot* of experience at this sort of thing and in general at making VCSes do tricks. It won't take long."  Also that. But I can't find the message where his advertised-in-advance highly clever script for CVS-to-git conversion was published; it was about eight lines around a "git cvsimport".
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22:53:49 <kmc> he wrote a program to scrape your project data out of sourceforge or whatever
22:54:03 <kmc> which was like 2000 lines of perl using regexes to 'parse' HTML
22:54:18 <kmc> and it got posted to Hacker News
22:54:28 <elliott> <fizzie> Man, the robotfindskitten dev list has been *full* of ESR lately.
22:54:30 <elliott> my condolences
22:54:41 <kmc> the half of the site that hadn't heard of him was like "uh, this is ok for a beginner, but you should really learn about parsers and code style and stuff"
22:54:58 <kmc> and the other half was like "This is ESR!!!!! He wrote the book about how to be a hacker! His code is genius!!!!!"
22:55:04 <elliott> was the other half saying but it's ERIC s. RAYMOND  don't you KNOW who that IS
22:55:09 <kmc> yep
22:55:34 <elliott> fizzie: so is esr actually on the rfk devteam :(
22:56:35 <fizzie> Ah, here's the "good tool"; http://sprunge.us/bPVd (Or maybe ESR wrote git cvsimport? I don't know.)
22:57:45 <fizzie> elliott: I guess; he sent a few patches and has been really active about this repository thing. That probably qualifies.
22:58:08 <kmc> which reinforces my dedication to avoid self-identifying as a 'hacker'
22:58:11 <elliott> fizzie: i like his html signature
22:58:25 <elliott> kmc: it's ok that's what esr "i am a hacker" esr tells people to do anyway
22:58:33 <kmc> really?
22:58:37 <elliott> kmc: yes
22:58:41 <kmc> shit
22:58:42 <elliott> kmc: hacker is a title of honour!!
22:58:43 <kmc> now i'm a hacker :(
22:58:45 <elliott> people have to bestow it on you
22:58:52 <elliott> don't worry ur code is shit lmao im never going to call you a hacker
22:58:56 <elliott> aim hecked
22:59:12 <kmc> i thought the main way you get to be a hacker is to argue on hacker news about what it means to be a hacker
22:59:18 <kmc> and also to care a lot about what paul graham and esr say
23:00:35 <elliott> WordPress.com accepts Bitcoin (en.blog.wordpress.com)
23:00:45 <elliott> oh my god i always wanted to give wordpress.com money!!
23:00:47 <elliott> thanks hacker news
23:01:01 <elliott> (jesus christ the author's picture)
23:01:55 <fizzie> Though the whole rfk-dev has been totally quiet since Nov 8. Maybe ESR is on a tour somewhere?
23:01:58 <fizzie> I don't even know why I'm on the list, it's not like I have anything to do with the "POSIX version".
23:02:09 <elliott> fizzie: did they ever add you to the site
23:02:13 <elliott> maybe esr vetoed it
23:02:18 <elliott> "that guy made fun of me on IRC once!!"
23:02:44 <fizzie> They did, as first of N new ports that were going to be revealed.
23:02:46 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: apparently everybody loves eric raymond is still stuck on its last comic which was a joke about how it hadn't updated for a year
23:03:10 <fizzie> Then K, where K < N, actually were, and things again quieted all the way down.
23:03:29 <fizzie> Until these recent happenings.
23:04:13 <fizzie> http://robotfindskitten.org/aw.cgi?main=software.rfk#ti86 -- there it is.
23:05:26 <Phantom_Hoover> i feel left out, having never used a TI calculator
23:05:29 <Bike> jesus, that has almost as many ports as Doom
23:05:55 <Phantom_Hoover> in the uk we just use casios
23:07:18 <fizzie> We have "the TI crowd" and the "crowd HP the" (it's a RPN joke), and they're very antagonistic.
23:08:04 <elliott> wouldn't it be "HP crowd the"
23:08:10 <elliott> "a op b" becomes "a b op", after all
23:08:34 <fizzie> I'm not sure what the words in question do. But anyway.
23:09:04 <fizzie> I had a TI-86 just because there was a whole-class discount order thing; I didn't really know anything about the camps back then.
23:10:08 <fizzie> The calculator scene might be very different these days though.
23:10:50 <atriq> I know one person with a TI
23:11:14 <fizzie> TI has gone fancy (ARM?) with the... TI-Nspire series, and from what I hear HP now bundles infix mode in their calculators, though it's still just optional.
23:11:41 <kmc> go back to reverse poland
23:12:00 <kmc> dnalop
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23:36:01 <Arc_Koen> ok, stargate sg-1 is getting really boring
23:36:16 <Arc_Koen> even michael shanks looks bored
23:36:27 <Arc_Koen> "oh, religious fanatics. yeah, been done that road before."
23:36:43 <Gregor> lol
23:36:45 <Gregor> What season are you on?
23:36:51 <Arc_Koen> beginning of season 9
23:37:08 <Arc_Koen> and I need *you* to tell me why I should keep watching
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23:37:35 <Gregor> Arc_Koen: Because it never became a space soap opera, like all the other sci-fis are now.
23:38:02 <Arc_Koen> to say the truth I haven't been wathing that much sci-fi
23:38:42 <Arc_Koen> a friend convinced me that stargate was so great, and got me hooked up
23:38:53 <Arc_Koen> one of the first episodes he showed me was "window of opportunity"
23:39:22 <Arc_Koen> but seriously, those auri guys suck, don't they?
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23:39:53 <pikhq_> Arc_Koen: You went past the point it should have ended, of course you're bored.
23:40:01 <Gregor> There's a reason why it got canceled at S10 :)
23:40:10 <Arc_Koen> figured that much
23:40:12 <pikhq_> The whole Auri thing is "... Why haven't we been canceled yet? We wrapped up all conflict!"
23:40:15 <Gregor> When they'd totally expended their main enemy and were just grasping for straws, that was the end.
23:40:36 <Arc_Koen> the final battle was somewhat boring as well
23:41:02 <Gregor> Naw, you haven't seen the movie w/ whats-his-face yet, THAT'S the final Goa'uld battle.
23:41:04 <Arc_Koen> and I must say I liked the original replicators and it's a shame they went down that easy
23:41:16 <Arc_Koen> oh, the Ark of Truth movie?
23:41:25 <olsner> oh no, are you in goa'uld land again
23:41:39 <Arc_Koen> yeah I figured since it seemed to have been shot in 2008 I had to watch the series to the end first
23:42:04 <Gregor> Arc_Koen: The series is far from unwatchable in S9-10, just don't expect it to be as good as the rest *shrugs*
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23:42:08 <Arc_Koen> (that's kinda the issue with the replicators: they made them so powerful that it's always a "all or nothing" thing)
23:43:48 <Arc_Koen> well I'll try to watch a few more before I make an opinion
23:44:30 <kmc> http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2012/11/09/marijwhatnow-a-guide-to-legal-marijuana-use-in-seattle/
23:44:48 <Arc_Koen> but that was a huge disappointment. the wraith seem better than the auri but still way less interesting than the goa'uld
23:45:00 <Arc_Koen> and I suspect they've been using one actor to play *all* the wraith
23:45:44 <Arc_Koen> (though that would explain why the lower-ranked wraith all wear a mask that hides their face completely-
23:46:47 <pikhq_> The wraith were at least invented as more than "Oh shit, we still need to make episodes?.
23:48:05 <kmc> "Also, you probably shouldn’t bring pot with you to the federal courthouse"
23:48:24 <pikhq_> No, *really*?
23:48:37 <kmc> ah federalism
23:48:59 <kmc> this is surely what the founding fathers had in mind
23:49:06 <kmc> but can i smoke up at the post office???
23:49:20 <shachaf> Not within 30 feet.
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23:49:28 <pikhq_> Everyone *knows* the Founding Fathers wanted a strong central government.
23:49:31 <Phantom_Hoover> Arc_Koen, but have they kidnapped crichton and aeryn yet
23:49:36 <Arc_Koen> who
23:49:59 <pikhq_> Which is why they put in the interstate commerce clause!
23:50:00 <kmc> in boardwalk empire the prohies set up at the post office because it's the only federal building in atlantic city
23:50:08 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: OH U
23:50:12 <kmc> possibly in real life as well
23:50:29 <Arc_Koen> do you mean, velociraptors' crichton?
23:51:42 <Phantom_Hoover> mitchell, apparently
23:51:48 <kmc> man those lines at the post office are long too
23:51:56 <Phantom_Hoover> and mal doran
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23:53:25 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how every description of claudia black's character on wikipedia features 'sexy' in the first sentence
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23:56:34 <Arc_Koen> duh
23:56:48 <Arc_Koen> why is their a goa'uld glider in the opening sequence
23:57:28 <Arc_Koen> (I'm gonna assume claudia black portrays that weird alien girl who's fond of daniel jackson and dresses like a dominatrix)
23:57:29 <coppro> haha
23:57:36 <coppro> correct
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23:58:19 <Arc_Koen> I'm starting to believe she's gonna replace major carter
23:58:33 <Phantom_Hoover> Arc_Koen, oh, she hasn't changed too much since farscape then
23:58:50 <Arc_Koen> the beginning of episode 4 was *so* expected
23:59:02 <coppro> p/win 1
23:59:20 <coppro> which is episode 4/
23:59:21 <coppro> ?
23:59:31 <Arc_Koen> the one after they solved the initial intrigue
23:59:47 <coppro> ...
23:59:48 <coppro> which one
23:59:51 <Arc_Koen> that is, episode 1-2-3 deal with going to avalon and into another galaxy
23:59:59 <coppro> what's it called