< 1353371007 546018 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1353371078 343238 :raziellight!~fdf@S0106002191dec0ca.cg.shawcable.net QUIT : < 1353373040 26661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :information-theoretically, how much do you lose by insisting on a self-synchronizing code < 1353373921 2794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is nothing in the limit of long enough strings < 1353373967 111198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code words < 1353374145 976116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so too < 1353374149 167377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, sufficiently many code words < 1353374160 550488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the framing is a constant amount of mutual information between the sender and receiver < 1353374708 258765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heating vents in my house are producing air that smells like naptha < 1353375399 29260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a portal to hell, nothing to worry about < 1353375565 974883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1353375745 647027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you had strawberries with balsamic vinegar yet! < 1353375870 685493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353375906 433463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353376012 145533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JavaScriptMVC people got back to me < 1353376044 424572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of an odd response < 1353376054 8027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with "Thanks for pointing this out. And we will likely change it." < 1353376065 344544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then explains various reasons why they shouldn't have to change it and don't want to < 1353376138 924921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1353376140 374560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the reasons < 1353376159 955623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictable ones < 1353376168 167976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) we didn't mean that so it doesn't count (2) even if we *did* mean that it'd be okay < 1353376174 181214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) ??? < 1353376174 329892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353376193 872653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will unfairly paraphrase them as "it's your fault for noticing that the word 'craftsman' is based on the word 'man'" < 1353376206 159425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "thinking of non-gendered terms is simply beyond my ability as a writer" < 1353376271 970361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"craftspeople" hth < 1353376316 196329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends with 'Do you think we can ever live in a world where we can say "all woman created equal" or "craftsman" without everyone getting upset? Where people don't read into meanings that aren't there.' < 1353376324 518596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty perfect opportunity to link http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html < 1353376354 442665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think we can ever live in a world where people who make shitty javascript frameworks don't consider themselves authorities on everything < 1353376355 784918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i guess this is one of those areas where calmly pointing out the unintended consequences of someone's actions is equivalent to "getting upset" < 1353376360 187827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no hth < 1353376410 17322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo point out that "all woman created equal" isn't grammatically correct < 1353376423 268972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353376921 641088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use Text. :-) < 1353376924 452205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1353376927 929034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my knee. < 1353376936 630828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the "I didn't /intend/ to be sexist/racist/etc, so it wasn't" < 1353376948 141221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That was the response you expected, right? < 1353376978 132044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they cited south park to make some unclear point < 1353376981 670950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... not a great sign < 1353376985 378763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i expected worse < 1353376988 301124 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a bingo to me < 1353377013 43032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you think i'm sexist? well that just makes you sexistist!" < 1353377014 758714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they are saying incorrect things, but in a way which is potentially open to calm discussion, and they *did* say they're going to change it < 1353377024 570826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better than i hoped because i'm a misanthrope < 1353377028 191655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.... humanist?!?!? < 1353377041 149421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Fiora < 1353377045 147956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353377047 637127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the nick i haven't seen before treatment < 1353377051 437393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :available exclusively from elliott < 1353377060 436006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: aren't we all :'( < 1353377066 115857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, hi < 1353377073 442028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm avoiding even saying that their word choice is "sexist" because at the end of the day this is a pretty small thing < 1353377078 662626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say "exclusionary" and perhaps "alienating" < 1353377081 757036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are some good words < 1353377085 878068 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :othering < 1353377089 13203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353377089 677135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclusionary is probably the best I think < 1353377117 630263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME fiora < 1353377119 766302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fiora < 1353377121 405303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other ones are there < 1353377121 989583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIORA: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1353377126 694247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost track < 1353377129 751655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Fiora < 1353377135 182118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FiOrA: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1353377140 566742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fullwidth only exists in upper case < 1353377142 260641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa Fiora < 1353377145 406994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found < 1353377146 154131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1353377150 782043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1353377151 165784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Fiora < 1353377154 565661 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WELCOME: not found < 1353377160 145729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: add `tervetuloa thx < 1353377161 28199 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1353377161 607052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Welcome Fiora < 1353377161 752902 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``hello'' < 1353377164 159896 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcoming is hard < 1353377164 667967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Welcome: not found < 1353377165 40693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w3lc0m3 Fiora < 1353377166 196105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep so many welcomes < 1353377166 597329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it < 1353377169 56985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: w3lc0m3: not found < 1353377169 202453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: add `tervetuloa thx < 1353377170 173501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste < 1353377175 267040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22997 < 1353377181 326424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: don't you dare feel welcome until this is over < 1353377189 471164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WELCOME" a victory for bad encoding < 1353377190 945484 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `hello'': not found < 1353377192 195772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome | rot13 < 1353377193 574930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man there are only three welcomes < 1353377197 441948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|: rot13: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353377199 17743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this garbage < 1353377200 163982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1353377204 182715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Fiora < 1353377204 638081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | rot13 < 1353377209 836893 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​FIORA: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS. < 1353377212 45473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1353377214 6137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@___@ < 1353377214 376750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1353377220 937189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we are... coming on too strong? < 1353377229 399474 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353377230 132238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1353377235 182497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay strong, fiora, irc bots can't last forever < 1353377239 798719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not enough welcome imo < 1353377243 672791 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do you know who "sgeo" is < 1353377253 692956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M' < 1353377256 315982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I don't think os < 1353377257 264943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svben: Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: uggc://rfbynatf.bet/jvxv/Znva_Cntr. (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba vep.qny.arg.) < 1353377257 591150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1353377258 472386 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353377262 214665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just typing that god dammit < 1353377264 807728 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: put Fiora on the list < 1353377266 798954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i stole the tr off google < 1353377269 698085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am bad < 1353377273 602846 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "you won't regret this" < 1353377279 404357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is the emperor of hexham < 1353377281 911338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what list < 1353377284 215962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You don't want to be on the list. < 1353377286 2314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1353377291 865473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list is the most annoying thing to be on. < 1353377292 37049 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idon'tevenknowwhat'sgoingon < 1353377302 97343 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you tell if you're on the list < 1353377303 375851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Remember: "stay off the list" < 1353377308 575424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | perl -e '$a=<>;print reverse $a' < 1353377309 998236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sgeo tells you < 1353377312 406083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353377314 942732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck!! < 1353377316 470943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do wrong < 1353377318 544196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what even is the list <_> < 1353377323 979849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't you dare put Fiora on the list, you hear? < 1353377327 678755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353377342 848149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -e '__import__("sys").stdout.write(__import__("sys").stdin.read().reverse())' < 1353377346 844339 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information. < 1353377349 582899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf!!!! < 1353377352 217535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -c '__import__("sys").stdout.write(__import__("sys").stdin.read().reverse())' < 1353377356 592396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'reverse' < 1353377365 711926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i hate python < 1353377369 870059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcoming is harder than I ever could have imagined. < 1353377371 672060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feeling is apparently mutual :p < 1353377374 258248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | perl -pe '$_ = reverse $_;' < 1353377374 408680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -c '__import__("sys").stdout.write(reversed(__import__("sys").stdin.read()))' < 1353377378 700555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ ).ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF( .egaP_niaM/ikiw/gro.sgnalose//:ptth :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW :aroiF < 1353377382 214665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1353377386 980425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353377387 777375 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foa ecm oteitrainlhbfreoei rgamn agaedsg n elyet o oeifrain hc u u ii tp/eoag.r/iiMi_ae Frteohrkn feoeia r eoei nicdlnt).e.a.r ocrts#yt,crts odi et h o(.gPna/kwgosnls/:th:kwrotokec,otmon rmrF!nmopddanie gunl ... < 1353377395 854482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1353377396 100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "", line 1, in \ TypeError: must be string or read-only character buffer, not reversed < 1353377397 889296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I start here ._. < 1353377398 86146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up < 1353377400 199833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get any more welcomes < 1353377400 579977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where zalgo < 1353377400 985368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=< Fiora: well we all hate Lolcode here, that's similar < 1353377631 608340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat, our camouflage foiled < 1353377634 809575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that we have both a FreeFull and FireFly, that's confusing < 1353377641 539509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can't bring out all the welcomes before you know someone's serious < 1353377662 498349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for confusing people -----### < 1353377663 950852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You know, I never got the welcome treatment. < 1353377678 556810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then swats Fiora for confusing his tab completion -----### < 1353377685 23254 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :owwwww < 1353377698 43086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you ever get `welcomed? < 1353377705 467330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's ok. you'll get used to it. after a while the swats don't even hurt < 1353377713 101677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been registered with nickserv for almost two years longer than FireFly < 1353377713 338418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i don't even notice i was swatted < 1353377723 251984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott for demonstration -----### < 1353377723 859252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't you swat, like, the fly < 1353377732 431085 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly probably was in the channel before me though < 1353377735 45448 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be swatted < 1353377735 432450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what are you implying! < 1353377736 730162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly.*dies < 1353377741 64558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies < 1353377750 419648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hi < 1353377753 676423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) His body should be given to science. He's alive :P Even so. \ 9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 13) "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom \ 16) the supremum of the set of everyone < 1353378318 467828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry kmc but nothing you say or do will ever be fantastic :( < 1353378319 926353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding < 1353378330 624620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could i be... fabulous? < 1353378338 846426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe faaaaabulous? < 1353378355 975421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't it great when you're reading a book from the 1950s and "fantastic" doesn't mean "very good"? < 1353378358 930614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote haskell < 1353378362 138631 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :210) 22:55 < qfr> How am I supposed to develop software in Haskell if I can't even prepare my projects in UML?! It seems like an impossible task. HAHA [...] this is amazing, like meeting a Mormon or something \ 366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need < 1353378385 884754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the reason the adjective "awesome" dominates is that all others are perceived as "too gay" < 1353378400 322721 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a reason, that < 1353378437 614091 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with bright, happy adjectives? < 1353378437 878821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "is this this channe p. bad right now" < 1353378443 928254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the morman doorman < 1353378446 674049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming this fall to CBS < 1353378451 913291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what a gaysome theory < 1353378479 319357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1353378479 991595 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1353378481 16540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never stop sucking < 1353378483 664662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up oonbotti < 1353378502 606780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: have you considered changing your nick to "fremont" < 1353378509 992675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fremont: the best nick < 1353378539 681563 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ..I need < 1353378543 808765 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DID I NEED < 1353378544 846097 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, excuse me < 1353378549 686279 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I need? < 1353378556 238146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i use spivak pronouns like sorear < 1353378564 433006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to < 1353378594 937810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it was CakeProphet, not you < 1353378608 849984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Every noun is instantly assigned a gender in my mind. :-( < 1353378613 420462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does that make me sexist" < 1353378614 344498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet1: nothing wrong with them unless you are super paranoid about anyone thinking you might be gay, which apparently a lot of heterosexual men are < 1353378614 657173 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would you lie to yourself like that < 1353378617 924587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't totally understand < 1353378622 332313 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I need < 1353378625 517092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226) I need a new desktop background j-invariant: Try http://codu.org/spinners.png (tiled) uhrghoaudp \ 279) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.) 00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. \ 366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more < 1353378632 356903 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1353378632 502264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didnt help monqy < 1353378636 631553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this because of hebrew or finnish or something < 1353378637 329121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made it worse < 1353378642 564216 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think X is a pretty cool guy. E respects all genders and doesn't afraid of anything. < 1353378642 750168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hebrew, yes. < 1353378646 855158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, it's not always the same gender as in Hebrew. < 1353378647 768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 366 < 1353378651 358189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. < 1353378660 572749 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353378661 674245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a world in which CakeProphet has ops. what a world < 1353378667 16549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Finnish doesn't distinguish "he" from "she"! < 1353378667 593324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbuh < 1353378668 613168 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was underwhelming < 1353378669 649362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish++ < 1353378674 177961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: woah < 1353378679 257535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all speak finnish < 1353378694 350079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both "hän" < 1353378701 195650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "yeah but then you have to speak finnish" < 1353378708 466377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't finnish's singular they also their "it" < 1353378713 631017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sensible < 1353378715 938261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"//g needs to be more confusing < 1353378728 865543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'s// < 1353378741 932024 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts the lotion -- you know what, nevermind < 1353378753 279157 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what's going on < 1353378758 826124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Fiora < 1353378760 748701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Fiora is Tue Nov 20 02:32:39 2012 < 1353378766 104390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: GET OUT OF HERE YOU'RE RUINING MY TAB COMPLETION < 1353378769 504685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fizzie < 1353378770 120322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out a way to point out that labeling your opponents as "upset" is a classic tool of the patriarchy, a way of pointing this out which has some chance of being productive < 1353378770 328914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Tue Nov 20 04:32:49 2012 < 1353378778 637381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1353378781 403443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to make Fiora feel very welcome shachaf............... < 1353378788 568658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "sorry :'(" < 1353378794 253975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you can stay < 1353378794 451817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't drop the p-bomb just yet < 1353378818 589997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a fan of the p-bomb < 1353378818 771693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: feel like making a terrible u mad joke round about now < 1353378822 917676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1353378829 18990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i have to maintain my dignity!!! < 1353378833 640027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be willing to throw it all away for a u mad joke < 1353378834 349695 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have ops in other channels. thank you very much. I only occasionally abuse it. < 1353378834 518525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dignity < 1353378837 467575 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find what p bomb means < 1353378839 300095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe making parallels with "hysteria", though maybe i'm assuming too much about people's knowledge of victorian psychology < 1353378848 484294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's when you pee into a balloon and then throw it at someone < 1353378857 775673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that on TV < 1353378862 986814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler alert: it did not go as planned < 1353378875 822550 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://deepclimate.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/contraian-publication-record.gif i'm searching but??????? < 1353378884 437541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hysteria: a sexist word?? < 1353378888 598266 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.p-bomb.net/ hELP????? < 1353378890 171461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcintyre........... what are you doing < 1353378897 978495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nice site < 1353378906 123326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as sour cereal though < 1353378919 319198 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting a new trend of UPPERCASE nicks < 1353378927 159927 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait. 2 years from now. everyone will be doing it. < 1353378939 820886 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long have the lowercase nicks reigned supreme. < 1353378943 252694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΗΙ < 1353378953 567638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we start a new trend of kicking people with uppercase nicks < 1353378955 491335 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You laugh at the right jokes, you fire back witty (but not to witty) remarks, your eyes take on a extra little sparkle and then, it happens. The 'P' Bomb. < 1353378964 983180 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read that because putty sucks at UTF-8 apparently. or maybe it's Windows system fonts or something < 1353378979 144482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by greek < 1353378996 971710 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short for "party bomb", P-Bombs are typically spoken in secret. < 1353378997 183444 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used by people in the party industry, P-bombers talk trash about other people inside and outside of the industry; other party professionals, vendors and clients.. < 1353378998 475893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aim hecked < 1353378999 944395 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether they know it or not, dropping P-bombs works 100% against them. < 1353379018 166691 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is a thing < 1353379040 382501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my humble opinion, Charles Barkley is the greatest on-air talent we have in the United States; I can honestly say that with a straight face. < 1353379040 528308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is completely honest and if you can't laugh while watching him on a broadcast then something may be wrong with you. < 1353379040 528505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night, the Orlando Magic advanced to the NBA Finals by knocking off LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers. However the highlight of the night for me came when Charles Barkley called his producer a p***y on air. < 1353379042 548678 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting this all from multiple sources i want to be sure i have the right definition < 1353379047 989931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's right: Charles Barkley really did say that. Talk about coming out of left field. < 1353379057 592536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason you're not finding anything is because there is no such thing as a phosphorus bomb today. The proper name is "incendiary bomb with white phosphorus", and it was outclassed by napalm since Korean War. < 1353379060 558271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the reporters with NO understanding of military terms, that invent names like "phosphorus bomb". < 1353379081 732735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neopets "P-bomb" In-Depth Weapon Info | Neopets Battlepedia < 1353379083 686413 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :p***y? < 1353379088 720625 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has some difficult phonation. < 1353379090 475586 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p art y < 1353379104 633517 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "p" bomb < 1353379108 105048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: "its just a terminal emulator that doesnt support greek" < 1353379119 831608 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting < 1353379124 713708 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1353379126 435281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: monqy < 1353379134 473048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :called him a p***y < 1353379137 306902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :called him a PuTTY? < 1353379166 777746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized PuTTY is way awesomer if you read it as "Pu TTY" instead of "putty" < 1353379190 833350 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a party on air anything like when you have a thing "on ice", like with the ice skating puppets and stuff < 1353379192 572640 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it still sucks either way < 1353379193 129762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :putty: radioactive?? < 1353379196 678110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this p-bomb result looks good but it won't load < 1353379204 583427 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe now the puppets are in the air < 1353379207 933841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's cached < 1353379214 397790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time we venture outside of our beloved Orange Bubble, we are sure to meet and chat with the many non-Princetonians of the world. It is at this time that we are confronted with a perplexing dilemma that can have far-reaching implications for the rest of the interactions we will have with this person: Do we reveal the fact that we go to Princeton? And if we do, how do we go about it? < 1353379214 543561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be this sense of discomfort, this tendency toward hesitation, whenever a situation arises where we are prompted to disclose the name of our university. This is true not only for Princeton students, but for students of every school that has gained a prestigious reputation. However, to keep the focus on us, there is a Princeton-specific phrase that one of my classmates once used for this sort of university disclosure that I will use < 1353379215 392586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :henceforth, and that phrase is “dropping the P-bomb.” < 1353379227 877906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this might be the most pretentious thing ever written < 1353379238 148282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a check which is cached < 1353379244 656514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When entering into a conversation with a stranger of the non-Princetonian variety, the accepted protocol is not to first ask what res college the person is from, what they’re planning on majoring in and the other banal college questions we like to ask each other, but to start off more broadly. Introductions do usually include information about what people do with their lives, however, and it is a normal convention to ask college-age-looking peo < 1353379244 802096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ple if and where they go to school. < 1353379244 802467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When this question arises, we have two viable options: the straight P-bomb route or the New Jersey route. Many of us, I’ve learned, like to first choose the New Jersey route, where we simply answer the question of what college we go to with “ I go to school in New Jersey.” < 1353379253 424459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"correct facsimile" < 1353379269 110259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'did they teach you that word at Talk Like a Dick School' < 1353379272 388693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1353379272 737143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first possibility is this: We are not uncomfortable with dropping the P-bomb at all. In fact, maybe it’s our favorite thing to do. Maybe we love that moment when people ask us where we go to school so much that we draw it out, make it last longer, make a production out of it. They ask what school we go to, we name a state instead. Answering in this vague way effectively doubles the number of questions we get to answer about where we go to s < 1353379272 882880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chool, and we love that. And the suspense! We create this awesome level of suspense so that when they ask question number two — “Where in New Jersey?” — we can really drive it home with a nice, resounding “Princeton!” < 1353379293 439564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it has 18 comments but the cache doesn't have them < 1353379308 717791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache for your warhol < 1353379333 611546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACHE 4 GOLD < 1353379335 216476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353379337 829423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACHE 4 PLUTONIUM < 1353379380 544433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is plutonium still dangerous now that it's not named after a planet < 1353379382 672873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imo no" < 1353379390 271005 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you quoting < 1353379394 375411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI < 1353379401 7019 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1353379407 471548 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is me < 1353379410 924714 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353379447 377712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im KALLISTI < 1353379464 90703 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353379466 259788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are amazon mp3 songs watermarked < 1353379472 261487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 year article in wirde says they are not < 1353379473 491278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired too < 1353379476 450198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird magazine < 1353379479 536761 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think shachaf has lost his mind < 1353379494 55720 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much referential transparency. < 1353379527 399169 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how would you tell if they're watermarked? < 1353379534 106027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably can't < 1353379539 586004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i am asking other people < 1353379545 708442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos i have a few songs from amazon and I haven't noticed anything < 1353379553 979658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example someone in this channel might be jeff bezos's secret confidant < 1353379561 221610 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the weird program you have to use to download albums for some damn reason < 1353379563 165505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's at all competent it would not be hear-able < 1353379565 833383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's with that program < 1353379568 868232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some open source workalike < 1353379578 342842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The id3 tag says Amazon! < 1353379581 14864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"totally a watermark" < 1353379587 841427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am jeff bezos < 1353379591 38307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiii- < 1353379597 983543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[connection reset by peer] < 1353379602 421504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[kmc died on the way to his home planet] < 1353379607 358004 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting < 1353379609 377263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a planet < 1353379611 817121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«All tracks were originally sold in 256 kilobits-per-second variable bitrate MP3 format without per-customer watermarking or DRM; however some tracks are now watermarked.» ok < 1353379615 820720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: elliott < 1353379626 633715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without watermarking with watermarking < 1353379632 456267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 kilobits-per-second variable bitrate motion picture experts' group layer III format < 1353379657 369896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Em Pi Shalosh < 1353379665 202288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gotta expand III too < 1353379665 847982 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=dm_adp_uits?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200422000 < 1353379675 613882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor of successor of successor of zero < 1353379684 331592 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do I know!!!! < 1353379684 477254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero is dead?! < 1353379690 89164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live one < 1353379701 958263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix succ < 1353379714 551177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fux sicc < 1353379719 663242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> void [1..] > voided 5 < 1353379721 821172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1353379727 190864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "lazy nats in lambdabot?????" < 1353379729 769165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t voided < 1353379731 405917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [()] < 1353379736 321377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void < 1353379737 647653 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting < 1353379738 142113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f () < 1353379740 585692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1353379746 328383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1353379766 231445 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t voided < 1353379767 770335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [()] < 1353379776 744067 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. okay. < 1353379790 314481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have multiple copies purchased could you use that to eliminate watermarks? < 1353379800 843392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i use clamz < 1353379803 986082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in debian < 1353379805 704313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :works all rite < 1353379825 665402 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1353379828 114863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds like a fun watermarking scheme. < 1353379828 627968 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes. mv nowatermark.mp3 watermark.mp3 < 1353379860 460006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that given a file with two different watermarks you can't get an unwatermarked version. < 1353379882 308140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, two different files. < 1353379889 461610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whatever" < 1353379974 50479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: Not what I mean. I mean that multiple customer purchase it, combine it, to make it such that you now have a new watermark which is difficult to trace to the individuals unless you know the key you used. < 1353380136 938015 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I've been quoted. < 1353380153 184637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I was quoted saying that there is no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers. < 1353380166 619157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Gee, there's no computable set of aximos in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers. < 1353380169 683469 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty weird. < 1353380207 702936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what about: < 1353380225 632638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1. numbers 2. natural" < 1353380280 940728 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job, you've successfully broken mathematics. < 1353380300 818832 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will cause the world to explode in 1,000 days. < 1353380326 856719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how bout them natural numbers, eh? ain't no computable set of axioms what can uniquely define them < 1353380372 291975 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right? < 1353380374 201566 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sure is weird. < 1353380398 861551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me want to, like, postulate two hypothetical non-isomorphic standard models of the natural numbers. < 1353380460 871054 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do that now. Let Na be a model of the natural numbers in which Goldbach's conjecture is false, and Nb be a model of the natural numbers in which Goldbach's conjecture is true. < 1353380466 898109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not in first order logic < 1353380501 556846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Na, there exists a natural number (call it g) that cannot be written as the sum of two primes. But in Nb, there is no such natural numbers. < 1353380518 753084 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does g also exist in Nb? If so, then Nb must have some prime numbers that are absent from Na, right? < 1353380529 575296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Goldbach's conjecture undecidable? Does it depend on models of natural numbers? < 1353380544 862007 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes if and only if yes. < 1353380549 70921 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Respectively. < 1353380571 35032 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't make much sense to say that Na and Nb both contain g, but Nb contains numbers smaller than g that Na does not contain. < 1353380575 69740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, but other than that it mean you don't know? < 1353380583 159397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's really crazy is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadwiger%E2%80%93Nelson_problem might depend on set theoretic axioms < 1353380597 167840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...I think that's right. < 1353380631 157507 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does make sense to me is to say that Na contains all the numbers that Nb contains, and then some. < 1353380637 661121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1353380653 422602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there really different models of natural numbers which are not equivalent? < 1353380677 488831 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, it depends on what you mean by "models of natural numbers", exactly. If you mean "models of the first-order Peano axioms", then yes, certainly. < 1353380677 932398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think: data Natural = Zero | Succ !Natural; < 1353380700 96562 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a set of first-order axioms, though; that's a Haskell statement. < 1353380740 959142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. But I thought it is equivalent? < 1353380742 236236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ⊥ :: Natural < 1353380770 466887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COLON HYPHEN-MINUS LEFT PARENTHESIS????? < 1353380807 213445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you ignore bottom, I mean. < 1353380813 82176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I dunno, that's not so crazy to me. In the past, the real numbers used to seem ill-defined to me. Then I learned how they were defined, but they still seemed all iffy and abstract. < 1353380832 415888 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, yeah, that's kind of what the problem is. How do you say "ignore bottom" in first-order logic? < 1353380948 564527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real numbers is hax < 1353380961 484604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so Nb is a model of the natural numbers containing a counterexample to Goldbach's conjecture. Na is a model containing no such thing. We're also postulating that Nb is a supermodel of Na. < 1353380972 229008 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that a "nubber" is a number that's in Nb, but not in Na. < 1353380999 930521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is just P(N) < 1353381013 591890 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a "namber" is one that's in Na. Aye? < 1353381025 455396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a hyphen? or is it a minus? only your wallet knows for sure. < 1353381050 734719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't believe the hype hen" < 1353381062 353126 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the nambers are closed under addition, right? And multiplication, I think... exponentiation I'm not sure about. < 1353381068 920202 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :double_facepalm.jpg < 1353381071 715810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: by "standard models" did you mean "non-standard models" above? < 1353381088 906987 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope. < 1353381093 231442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they both be standard? < 1353381096 342551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kind of going for multiple standard models. < 1353381108 854492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how do you define "standard" here? < 1353381112 217028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because we're talking about two different universes, with different results for t he goldbach conjecture < 1353381118 424570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "standard" model in each one < 1353381124 142714 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds right. < 1353381132 732962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not thought that goldbach is actually independent of axioms, ja? < 1353381157 948093 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems perfectly plausible that it is. < 1353381184 241556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to even think about the plausibility of that statement < 1353381189 600336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway please do proceed with your original train of thought < 1353381204 137381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAAAAAIN < 1353381207 424403 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, does Goldbach's conjecture seem like it's probably decidable to you? < 1353381211 895173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought, natural numbers is just zero and successor? Therefore how can there be different models following this specification which are different Goldbach's? Since you can define addition, multiplication, etc, using finite numbers. Using something like Typographical Number Theory that might not be the case though, but if you define like zero and successor instead it seem. < 1353381212 299440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sea dot sea < 1353381213 922832 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's independent of the axioms if and only if it's undecidable. < 1353381249 576091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "just zero and successor" isn't a set of first-order axioms, either. < 1353381292 676202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should come back to #cslounge! < 1353381329 922839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes, "just zero and successor" is like the Haskell statement I mentioned above, instead. Therefore, do you need a set of first-order axioms which means this specifically? < 1353381330 278706 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first-order Peano axioms are a set of first-order axioms. They're infinite, but they're also a computable set. < 1353381353 308964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like a thief in the night < 1353381376 173105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I'm *talking about* sets of first-order axioms. < 1353381390 625075 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to talk about the same thing that I'm talking about, then yes, you need a set of first-order axioms. < 1353381455 22695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate politeness. < 1353381471 601950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes it impossible to ask someone "Hey, does this site work well for you" and actually get useful info < 1353381517 442664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :E_TOPTOOOLD | the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1353381546 634578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1353381584 812462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what, you want to test? < 1353381659 667974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Wikipedia "Peano axioms", if you just use 2,3,4,5 for eqality, and then you should define it. Is the zero and successor can be made the axioms from that? Due to such things as induction and so on, possibly not... and, is it infinite? They list nine axioms. < 1353381688 921073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/make-loud-noises < 1353381701 620871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're axiom schema, aren't they < 1353381721 456634 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: axiom 9 is stated twice. First, it's stated as a second-order axiom, not a first-order axiom; second, it's stated as an infinite axiom schema. < 1353381779 399127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is an axiom schema. Now I can understand. < 1353381806 501046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT has induction as a rule rather than axiom. < 1353381889 89401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also say "if there is a proof that starts from just these axioms and derives a contradiction such as 0 = 1, then the axioms are inconsistent, and don't define anything" but, if there would be such thing even if you omit axiom 7 or axiom 3, does it define anything? < 1353381907 529120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In particular, he gained international notoriety for his claims that blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence" < 1353381942 91848 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1353381954 811370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Abian < 1353381972 279412 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uhh, let me rephrase your question, and you can tell me if I rephrased it correctly. < 1353382010 714107 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suppose that, if you remove axioms from the Peano axioms, you can get an inconsistent system. Then are the Peano axioms inconsistent?" < 1353382021 901697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Abian said that "Those critics who say 'Dismiss Abian's ideas' are very close to those who dismissed Galileo."» usenet has the best cranks. < 1353382093 98134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No. That is not what I meant. I meant that if you have 0=1 it seem would be to contradict the axioms I specified. So, if it is inconsistent, and then does that make it not inconsistent? < 1353382139 572014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by "the axioms [you specified]", nor by the "it" in "if it is inconsistent", nor the "it" in "does that make it not inconsistent". < 1353382155 640587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ specified]/] specified/ < 1353382190 675828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why would he say such things? Perhaps if they destroy humans it would solve that problem, if destroying the moon would have such effect, but still it won't help since it would mess up everything else too. Best way is allow planets to move how they do, to keep the solar system in order. < 1353382217 88380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I mean axiom 3 and 7, I mean if you have 0=1 even if removing one of those two axioms. < 1353382221 346542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 makes a good point < 1353382248 311414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so, looking at tennenbaum's theorem... could you have an uncountable model of peano with computable arithmetic? < 1353382261 727492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, sorry, I don't understand what you said, and I don't understand your attempts to get me to understand what you said. < 1353382276 123263 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no. < 1353382283 186772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oops, sorry!!!! < 1353382290 374137 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1353382290 926212 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: er, wait. Hm. < 1353382325 71262 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Tennenbaum's theorem said that no nonstandard model of Peano arithmetic can be recursive; it actually says that no *countable* nonstandard model of Peano arithmetic can be recursive. < 1353382363 30407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was referring to, yeah. < 1353382379 292800 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, the thing is, I don't think "computable" makes sense as a property of uncountable sets. We only speak of the computability of a set of it contains only finite strings, I think. And no uncountable set contains only finite strings. < 1353382429 815392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why I said computable arithmetic instead of computable set. < 1353382492 833524 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computable function" can be defined as "function that, when considered as a set, is a computable set". < 1353382516 931409 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "computable arithmetic" presumably means "collection of arithmetic functions, each of which is a computable function". < 1353382578 65161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no models with computably dealt with nonstandard numbers, then < 1353382847 171611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds true. < 1353383526 274039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely identifies when tswett will shut up about there being no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that can uniquely define the natural numbers < 1353383573 647926 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will shut up about it after a non-standard amount of time. < 1353383596 662846 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about right now < 1353383602 596347 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. in the past???? < 1353383613 386147 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either works < 1353383629 983539 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's only been 23 seconds. 23 is a standard number. < 1353383639 320003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about eleventeen < 1353383649 210961 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1353383671 576254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me a first-order formula defining eleventeen? < 1353384035 607728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 = succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ 0 < 1353384053 630313 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ 0 < 1353384055 549760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Enum.Enum < 1353384055 846491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ((((((((((a0 -> a0) ->... < 1353384058 745444 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353384066 926914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely identifies what will make tswett shut up about there being no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that can uniquely define the natural numbers < 1353384087 727079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I was away for a bit... also my local time should really be PDT but I kind of forgot how to set it on this linux box < 1353384175 500474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/[something] /etc/localtime usually < 1353384200 396065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might also be able to do "timedatectl list-timezones" then "timedatectl set-timezone " < 1353384229 740328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though daylight savings time should be handled automatically if you have stuff set up properly < 1353384251 503882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/localtime': File exists < 1353384255 263287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I remove it? < 1353384264 979373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, what does ls -l /etc/localtime give < 1353384276 561242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1353384278 110093 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l /etc/localtime < 1353384278 255456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 118 Jul 27 16:39 /etc/localtime < 1353384282 658664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1353384289 731246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1353384290 11345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353384295 91818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that should be a symlink :P < 1353384309 328179 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have botched it at some point <_> < 1353384324 807473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -sf /usr/share/America/Los_Angeles /etc/localtime ;# no? < 1353384341 803711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it worked < 1353384345 256436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:05 < Fiora> yay it worked < 1353384366 69275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i doubt it is /usr/share/America < 1353384377 716707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes [something] = America/Los_Angeles in my line I think < 1353384386 2478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it was that < 1353384387 166236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might have to reboot for this to work or at least restart programs you care about < 1353384396 425610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRSSI seems to have taken instantly! < 1353384428 476148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huray < 1353384444 125215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this calls for celebration. should welcome some pepole < 1353384448 188502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pepole < 1353384478 168966 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peepol < 1353384488 397612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on debian: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata < 1353384507 888186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an amazon micro instance so I'm stuck with yum < 1353384513 312537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1353384516 940454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedora? ew < 1353384522 451854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked so I'm not going to fuss with it anymore < 1353384532 709996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am irssi'ing from an ubuntu server ec2 micro instance right now < 1353384540 312833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why you got stuck with fedora < 1353384567 970485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free tier on amazon only let you use their install I think? < 1353384572 948001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it was when I set this thing up < 1353384577 30472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might be wrong < 1353384581 429980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do EC2 instances cost reasonable amounts of money yet < 1353384586 161471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that has changed < 1353384591 987215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my micro instance is free for a year :D < 1353384594 537633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general 'no' < 1353384603 419901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it is reasonable if you actually need fancy dynamic scaling < 1353384605 367897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use my free micro as an IRC bouncer thing for my irssi < 1353384607 108450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a reasonable fee for that < 1353384624 166852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of their users are not that, they're just startups with too much money who don't think of traditional dedicated hosting < 1353384627 148547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guilty < 1353384648 476045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run irssi on ec2 and connect to it with mosh < 1353384650 357568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sweet < 1353384673 829773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh? < 1353384679 909547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mosh.mit.edu/ < 1353384685 550853 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1353384695 599782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a windows client? I use putty right now < 1353384695 750552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how much are the mosh people paying you < 1353384700 832916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing < 1353384707 302708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have done some development for mosh though < 1353384708 729647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should get a raise!! < 1353384712 402349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an open source project at mit < 1353384713 657962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know rite < 1353384719 281496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: there is an experimental cygwin port < 1353384719 427051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what mosh is kmc < 1353384753 534832 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, they actually have it inside the cygwin packagemanager < 1353384776 407329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is not the most elegant solution here but nobody has really come forward to do the work for a native windows port < 1353384781 17439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it's deciding it has to upgrade my entire cygwin installation < 1353384788 229647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably good to do that anyways. < 1353384791 311662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD < 1353384795 154571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353384809 755054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I'm guessing I'd have to install a server on my amazon ec2 instance? < 1353384834 344494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's in fedora < 1353384838 232465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just install the mosh package on the server < 1353384843 140454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>No package mosh available. < 1353384844 571454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1353384847 560450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, might be too old < 1353384865 72106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's fairly easy to compile mosh yourself < 1353384869 967526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't need to set up a daemon or anything < 1353384874 124488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the dependencies should be in fedora < 1353384909 714340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cool netbsd is on there now < 1353384937 359876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh toaster < 1353384940 256026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353384978 363456 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353384983 672048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moaster < 1353385000 433091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it doesn't have protobuf either :< < 1353385023 860407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh wildly following dependency chains manually < 1353385031 806634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd < 1353385058 58278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check < 1353385061 372735 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhh < 1353385087 137196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1353385092 601690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not have a compiler toolchain installed or something < 1353385099 960750 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh. I had gcc but not g++ < 1353385104 404980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing had needed g++ yet so I didn't notice < 1353385116 830785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the configure script somehow got past that check without noticing it was missing I think <_< < 1353385121 10633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice error for it < 1353385142 643374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice rant on the mosh issue tracker "I tried using Mosh for the connection persistence, and nothing I read prior to using it gave me a clear indication that it was anything but an ordinary shell with an improved transport. When Mosh discarded some important output I had no idea what was going on, and I wasted a few days (calendar time, several hours actual troubleshooting time) looking at everything else because it didn't occur to me that a < 1353385142 788968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool for persistent connections and better latency would also throw away my data. After that, I can't trust you, not because the way Mosh works is unreasonable, but because the way it is described fails to convey that you can't count on receiving the complete output of any command." < 1353385146 659701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuuuup that was it < 1353385149 777834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are complaining because mosh doesn't have scrollback) < 1353385170 8402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now to compile on a 1-core 1ghz virtual server thing -_- < 1353385189 385262 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important output < 1353385193 183771 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :over remote shell < 1353385197 863663 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1353385210 322989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hey i'm using a 1.33 ghz laptop thing < 1353385210 486030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In scrollback. < 1353385211 585049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it works" < 1353385215 241272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of" < 1353385233 118703 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he said < 1353385236 356042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would honestly be faster to compile some things by scping them over to my server < 1353385237 331005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spoiled with my laptop okay >_> < 1353385237 899202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling them there < 1353385240 275148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then downloading the binaries < 1353385246 974260 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is memory that's faster than that CPU < 1353385256 835745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had that experience once when I had to play with an, um... I think it was a 600mhz arm < 1353385260 600310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Doubtful. < 1353385262 473729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw that < 1353385278 862763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The memory bus speed might be 1.33GHz, but the RAM's internal clock is at 200MHz. < 1353385285 989331 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As has been the norm for a decade now. < 1353385352 163915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just feels weird to like, compile on something 20 times slower than my computer < 1353385401 491392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try using qemu sometime. < 1353385453 228838 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1353385494 864051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: PDT? < 1353385498 419837 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1353385507 753790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think they used that anywhere, this time of year. < 1353385515 613315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: America/Los_Angeles . :) < 1353385530 309700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoneinfo time zone naming is so much better. < 1353385530 766069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay PST I guess ^^;; < 1353385532 862623 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget which is which < 1353385533 572089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PST! < 1353385536 731557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the time zone to be in! < 1353385538 961777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1353385542 90621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Mon Nov 19 20:25:39 2012 < 1353385545 954885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1353385551 105124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Fiora is Mon Nov 19 20:25:46 2012 < 1353385557 259524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daylight time sucks. < 1353385560 730603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just use dcc, or what < 1353385562 477889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Hmm, looks like you're 7 seconds ahead of me. < 1353385568 85689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message came later < 1353385569 767257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lives basically on the MST meridian! < 1353385571 800202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime < 1353385576 280843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for pikhq_ is Mon Nov 19 21:26:12 2012 < 1353385587 741927 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 7 seconds is just the gap between them...? < 1353385590 293700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like zoneinfo naming < 1353385594 654887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :singles out single areas weirdly < 1353385595 292451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is The Joke, fiora. < 1353385602 755501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh <_> sorry < 1353385612 948805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's saner than any other timezone naming scheme I've seen though. < 1353385614 813651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed your eyes are pointing away from each other < 1353385626 830403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well UTC+n and UTC-n are pretty good < 1353385628 550574 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than, of course, constant offsets from UTC, but that requires saner *time zones* in the first place. < 1353385632 885407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Are you also in PST? < 1353385637 932691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+0(1) < 1353385642 442850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco is The Place To Be, as you know. < 1353385655 353167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't tell enough *at all*. < 1353385669 313288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rather far from LA, but yes < 1353385675 671766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi should foo :: Fol.Foldable f => f a -> [a]; foo = ($ []) . appEndo . Fol.foldMap (\x -> Endo (x:)) be a function < 1353385680 614417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ < 1353385687 84649 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1353385689 2059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1353385702 151886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was in LA once! < 1353385706 216590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you mean Los Angeles. < 1353385707 869748 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's appEndo? applicative endomorphism < 1353385708 15306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To give you an idea: the state of Indiana has *11* different zoneinfo entries. < 1353385710 355480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Louisiana. < 1353385712 756004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Los Alamos. < 1353385713 998298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but indiana doesn't exist < 1353385719 108055 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf i need some "lens help" < 1353385721 994926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Laos? < 1353385729 143026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: newtype Endo a = Endo { appEndo :: a -> a } < 1353385730 982233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: uh oh < 1353385732 389979 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sory i cant go through with this joke < 1353385735 623257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. appEndo :: Endo a -> (a -> a) < 1353385739 265442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if laos has ever been called LA in the history of the universe < 1353385739 560489 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can you finish it < 1353385742 622012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1353385743 590342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it < 1353385743 736615 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliver the punchline < 1353385746 687360 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1353385747 310631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to < 1353385749 102330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its your duty < 1353385762 105698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it < 1353385762 251435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well laos is .la isn't it < 1353385765 942734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tld is used for los angeles! < 1353385767 254616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1353385769 286711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrongly) < 1353385779 26068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: help what are you doing in laos < 1353385791 25665 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i m sory i cant < 1353385794 733300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm south of LA, not in laos < 1353385795 243002 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the delivery is wack < 1353385795 423176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i believe in you < 1353385802 792752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was south of LA! < 1353385805 946904 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of instintively hate cctlds though, so I refuse to acknowledge their existence, sorry about that < 1353385806 104862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to San Diego. < 1353385828 82102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've been in LA a couple times, roasting on the asphalt gridlock probably < 1353385830 903787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like cctlds much < 1353385831 400206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like daylight saving time. Also, the time zones is not designed best but I don't know what is best. One way is using precise time zones using same hours/minutes/second as the angle. < 1353385854 503193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a plan to redesign time zones? < 1353385855 983855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can do it < 1353385861 471007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "took me by surprise" < 1353385874 481615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When the (sidereal) hour is angle, 1 hour = 15 degrees, which is used to measure right ascensions and hour angles.) < 1353385882 333811 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but how!!! < 1353385885 78366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it < 1353385886 713593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, solar time is not exactly like UTC it is only by average. < 1353385890 923043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: use "your creativity" < 1353385891 996833 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you do it for me < 1353385906 391571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy < 1353385914 566112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there comes a time in every monqys life < 1353385921 82244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when that monqy must finish their own jokes < 1353385941 793645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: for once in my life i'm gonna have to agree with shachaf < 1353385951 322275 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: im sorry its up to you now. search for "the joke" on the Lens documentation at http://tedlab.mit.edu/~dr/Lens/ using the Lens documention's Search It feature < 1353385962 628241 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im sorry < 1353385969 780098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't have plan to redesign time zones. I just have some ideas having to do with time zones. < 1353385977 87879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help whats a search.php < 1353385991 366319 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: surprise you got joked < 1353386003 616220 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo look at search.php's contents < 1353386008 264433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that was a pretty bad delivery monqy < 1353386011 949182 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it includes the shell command executed to do the search" < 1353386013 833460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you screwed up your one chance to make that joke < 1353386024 263166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphp < 1353386024 447930 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i told you i couldnt do it!!!! < 1353386030 473484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you didn't even include the fact that you are personally using lens currently!! < 1353386037 89083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry monqy its just not good enough < 1353386037 623897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave < 1353386039 934779 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the joke is im using this thing < 1353386040 734637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... downloads the php < 1353386042 983728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave < 1353386043 509500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real < 1353386049 952479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρη < 1353386069 793458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its not optional. this is your penance < 1353386081 480163 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i asked to be kicked < 1353386084 256577 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what shachaf would do < 1353386087 545988 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you agree with shachaf right < 1353386130 4770 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: RHR? < 1353386144 504169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no < 1353386150 453238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dont want to get kicked!! < 1353386155 92121 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you disagree with shachaf right < 1353386156 123624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont "spread rumours" monqy < 1353386197 12474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help < 1353386204 451245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i really cant figure out this lens issue" < 1353386222 459525 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh ooh can i make the joke now < 1353386224 8346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "maybe its because i spend all my time complaining about it instead of thinking about it" < 1353386244 928552 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :search the lens document for "the issue". i am using this software. < 1353386249 900227 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did i do it good < 1353386252 739043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no sorry < 1353386254 641935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1353386258 106500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave before you embarrass yourself further < 1353386259 867357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for a minute < 1353386262 362945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody is crying < 1353386263 772524 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse < 1353386264 489786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dont leave < 1353386270 464223 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now im conflicted < 1353386270 947249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: we all love you monqy < 1353386276 258096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1353386277 943472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ monqy < 1353386281 593007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥onqy < 1353386282 786763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wont be tolerated < 1353386292 740761 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make me not tolerate it!!!! < 1353386295 698772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353386296 738031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing it < 1353386302 162885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im focusing my hatred < 1353386311 453761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: "should i read that book" < 1353386322 54841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1353386329 515908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Concrete Mathematics_ < 1353386351 430141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it's good. < 1353386360 563254 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1353386371 301947 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353386374 137224 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1353386400 944453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawaii did experiment with DST for three weeks between April 30, 1933 and May 21, 1933; there is no known official record as to why it was implemented or discontinued.[18][unreliable source?] Hawaii has never observed daylight saving time under the Uniform Time Act, having opted out of the Act's provisions in 1967.[19] < 1353386403 244066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy you can come back now < 1353386403 669642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1353386411 652980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: You read it? < 1353386420 251036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1353386497 352353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, kmc, I installed protobuf from source (just configure and sudo make install...?) but mosh says it can't find it < 1353386509 723872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"package protobuf was not found in the pkg-config search path" < 1353386599 571982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What distribution-thing are you using? < 1353386608 39884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends strace < 1353386613 830353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the amazon ec2 fedora thing < 1353386633 400351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly wonders whether `ldconfig` will fix it. < 1353386642 726213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's an issue of paths and /usr/local/? < 1353386650 709901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not install protobuf from a package? < 1353386659 81796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the system doesn't seem to have it as a package :< < 1353386659 427020 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHR Hypertext... Rearranger? < 1353386741 293785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can try rebuilding it and stuffing it in /usr... < 1353386765 409813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't do that! < 1353386772 932376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how pkg-config finds things. < 1353386781 178450 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea either >_< < 1353386784 933160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses uhhh < 1353386787 262322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PKG_CONFIG_PATH or something < 1353386790 365008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fedora protobuf < 1353386792 264849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/protobuf < 1353386796 355911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that not exist? < 1353386803 310994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is PKG_CONFIG_PATH < 1353386820 583558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo yum install protobuf < 1353386820 793188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, priorities, security, update-motd, upgrade-helper < 1353386823 679175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did i actually just get monqy to leave < 1353386824 155114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * amzn-main: packages.us-east-1.amazonaws.com < 1353386826 15318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to do that!! < 1353386827 523262 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : * amzn-updates: packages.us-east-1.amazonaws.com < 1353386830 76842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting up Install Process < 1353386832 605159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No package protobuf available. < 1353386832 965141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ok but what if that variable is unset" < 1353386836 423592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Did you search? < 1353386844 700707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's protobuf-devel or something. < 1353386849 722462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :libprotobuff < 1353386851 672618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$// < 1353386856 165798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protoc < 1353386856 680756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :search finds no matches < 1353386863 447806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protobuf-compiler < 1353386865 206065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1353386877 40421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry... bleh I will just keep using putty I guess, this is a hassle < 1353386887 823095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Maybe #mosh would know. < 1353386895 768241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well man pkg-config documents what it does when the path isn't empty < 1353386898 238271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1353386899 751855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is empty < 1353386933 54214 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to playing civ and reading wikipedia articles on nuclear isomers < 1353387053 733725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You should learn about lenses instead! < 1353387067 255297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lenses: the nuclear isomers of the 21st century??" < 1353387068 707000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to list my list < 1353387085 741840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy isn't here, coppro except I think you're not on the list. List. < 1353387090 238429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe metameterial lenses? those sound kind of cool I think < 1353387105 809823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: monqy explicitly told you to add Fiora to the list!! < 1353387108 326804 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make lenses out of metamaterials now, huh < 1353387120 958596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, do you want to be on the list? < 1353387121 129306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fiora does not wish to be on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1353387126 383718 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "the list"? >_< < 1353387131 392009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone keeps talking about it but I don't know what it is < 1353387140 930231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should explain < 1353387156 528069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You wan't to be on the list. < 1353387159 978259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think it is better that way < 1353387163 903458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a contraction for "want not".) < 1353387171 203614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is confusing ;-; < 1353387193 896201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all are < 1353387195 96134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to break down in 2 minutes and explain it privately < 1353387203 859865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wait, what *is* the list? < 1353387211 857421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353387217 266062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody needs explanations < 1353387217 688071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just Homestuck updates or what? < 1353387220 694467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed Fiora with the explanation < 1353387225 457804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!! < 1353387226 986969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all going to die < 1353387229 390011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: help i never got an explanation < 1353387230 210477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brimstone rains from the sky < 1353387231 458112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it?? < 1353387237 834992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth of The List comes to torture us < 1353387242 233740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavens fall < 1353387248 602093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nations collapse < 1353387249 470092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ohhh!! put me on the list then < 1353387253 609570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds super useful < 1353387258 482120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all die in an endless fire of suffering < 1353387265 242698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're happy sgeo < 1353387266 538079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're happy < 1353387278 302576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could make a list of ways the truth of The List will come to torture us, elliott. < 1353387298 715861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funnier to leave shachaf out of the loop. Although cruel. But funny. < 1353387299 882456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a list Bike < 1353387302 758360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you happy < 1353387307 987025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my List not good enough < 1353387315 172427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it a list or a List < 1353387325 21888 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it implement the List interface? < 1353387326 722906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference < 1353387338 85751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, but there is a difference, so it's probably important < 1353387344 811803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: help are you java :'( < 1353387352 906754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I know a little java but I don't use it much < 1353387363 825811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use Real Languages < 1353387370 260950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like m68k assembly < 1353387375 343911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um..... do C and x86 assembly count? < 1353387382 837847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :'( < 1353387383 595616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only Real Language is TECO < 1353387391 192004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: or you can use esolangs < 1353387391 385822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not nearly swaggerly enough to be a Real Programmer, fiora. sorry. < 1353387393 609378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C++ < 1353387401 105299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real language is @ < 1353387404 685756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ama fake programmer then < 1353387408 99546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't real, Sgeo < 1353387414 909692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is a joke < 1353387420 134523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a joke < 1353387423 555371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex numbers joke here < 1353387423 787559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list is a joke < 1353387425 505376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick is a joke < 1353387427 506505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is if I rotate it 90 degrees! < 1353387429 83079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1353387430 249167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit Bike < 1353387433 277283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scribbles assembly opcodes on Bike's sleeve < 1353387441 36330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bad place to put opcodes < 1353387444 298773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1353387453 129269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: lets have a low level programming contest < 1353387458 20823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how many bytes do you know < 1353387461 214933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know over 300 < 1353387469 650563 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big are these bytes < 1353387472 418751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits < 1353387477 830141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1353387479 880980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :" octets hth" < 1353387482 915614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a boring answer. < 1353387486 140120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i refuse to say it < 1353387496 304272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote octets hth < 1353387499 397749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) octets hth < 1353387515 301826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-bit bytes are the best bytes. < 1353387520 115524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867 < 1353387522 396532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to cry a bit < 1353387523 957010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* octets hth < 1353387524 110368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 867 < 1353387527 514659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :868) `delquote 867 < 1353387531 883341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1353387534 661079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"race condition??" < 1353387545 461409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 867 < 1353387548 769771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1353387552 324464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 868 < 1353387555 688760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1353387556 692081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 869 < 1353387557 33627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 866 < 1353387560 276753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) `delquote 869 < 1353387563 482307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1353387563 627913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`deelquote 867 < 1353387568 508721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: deelquote: not found < 1353387570 868532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is dumb stop it < 1353387571 258117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1 < 1353387574 921557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) I used computational linguistics to kill her. < 1353387579 513520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1353387587 579702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867 < 1353387591 648683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 869 < 1353387599 22599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "wait one moment did i know you from another channel once" < 1353387605 364927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea a quotation system could be this confusing. < 1353387608 977552 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `addquote `addquote 867 < 1353387610 633366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1353387612 425719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) `addquote `addquote 867 < 1353387613 772009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867 < 1353387616 810634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, hackego engineering. good job < 1353387617 120344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `addquote `addquote 867 < 1353387620 72919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "are you from new zealand" < 1353387629 835780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `delquote 867 < 1353387632 863813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) `delquote 867 < 1353387636 960258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1353387640 499964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no, I am from southern california < 1353387646 163172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1353387657 808309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once knew someone in another channel whose nick started with F who lived in southern California. < 1353387661 749078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can you stop < 1353387662 412647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867 < 1353387666 48533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `delquote 867 < 1353387666 802633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But moved there from New Zealand or something? < 1353387680 789839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born here... < 1353387687 463747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born in Asia! < 1353387698 802189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`add​quote Sgeo: can you stop < 1353387702 173780 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: add​quote: not found < 1353387707 523419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop it. It's annoying. < 1353387714 271535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I live in southern northern California! < 1353387743 405789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is the point just to annoy me or whatever < 1353387746 206173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( sorry < 1353387747 286156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because shachaf already does that a lot better < 1353387751 274545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was a fake addquote < 1353387760 76695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think a fake addquote would be annoying < 1353387766 3802 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353387779 265824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, I thought I stopped the annoying thing! < 1353387788 217515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1353387824 742472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question: what is annoying < 1353387827 104321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ← snail < 1353387838 719315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is an anaconda that curled itself up < 1353387864 415238 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it related to python or ASP? < 1353387899 599091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't related to life < 1353387974 209281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't have any backups. < 1353387979 988471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond 1984, beyond 2001, beyond love, beyond death: @ < 1353387981 396589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get an external hard drive and back up to it? < 1353388006 249213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get an internal soft ride or front down from it < 1353388019 371682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, yes < 1353388025 772170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You mean give? < 1353388041 288666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ would make a pretty good novel IMO < 1353388041 434453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353388047 201320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get an external hard drive or an internal hard drive + a box to put a hard drive in? < 1353388105 934172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a strong opinion < 1353388106 210744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, prices have gone down to pre-flood levels. < 1353388110 47898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually do the latter < 1353388120 91687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's more because i have one or the other part lying around already < 1353388179 659607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use my $50 Tarsnap credit. < 1353388516 638506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Maybe that clown could have helped you understand what you're supposed to do in this empty wasteland, but no, you had better ideas. And all of them were bullets." caliborning < 1353388591 127596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep reading < 1353388633 183689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think homestuck is going to collapse from the weight of its own meta < 1353389742 48296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/00112432/ < 1353389800 48145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what < 1353389893 734856 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/10193197/ < 1353390027 360194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so interesting about the pasta? < 1353390057 562379 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is elk-shaped, to remind you of home. < 1353390077 915262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently eating pasta < 1353390080 359666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ketchup < 1353390093 939673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: haha < 1353390097 834772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gross < 1353390116 976515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it suggests i buy it with a "KOLON floor protector" < 1353390135 404233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no parmesan cheese. I require parmesan cheese. In the absense of parmesan cheese I use ketchup < 1353390142 738363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1353390146 586337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is gross and terrible and bad and you should feel bad < 1353390181 319486 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1353390184 483259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually tend to eat more when eating it with ketchup < 1353390193 313783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“In the absense of parmesan cheese I use ketchup” < 1353390199 491736 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I… < 1353390203 575800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how does that even make sense < 1353390205 587015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mixing ketchup and parmesan cheese is gross, I've tried it. < 1353390209 195553 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ketchup a cheese now < 1353390224 254393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a foodstuff that adds some calories and nutrients. < 1353390228 902622 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Trust me, that's not just your fnarf. < 1353390236 410817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And makes it taste better. < 1353390237 3023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tastes wrong too. < 1353390243 599336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any parmesan cheese, so in the absence of parmesan cheese I dump chocolate on it < 1353390265 832942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about pasta+ketchup? < 1353390297 842470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of vatican ii it's a valid basis for excommunication, for one < 1353390334 874650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as was set forth in the famous papal bull "De ketchup nongustabilis" < 1353390422 701550 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That seems like the kind of thing people would eat in the great depression. < 1353390430 492018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some heretic sects were using ketchup and pasta instead of wine and bread for the sacrament of the eucharist < 1353390488 188896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some friends of mine had a bet to see who could last the longest eating only free condiments from the uni dining hall < 1353390510 261715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a condiment < 1353390531 747106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"things like ketchup?" < 1353390551 42650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353390563 746566 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Distance gets enough votes in Greenlight. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=103111305 < 1353390567 295037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds disgusting. < 1353390581 783457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like ketchup+pasta more than parmesan cheese+pasta, but parmesan cheese is probably healthier < 1353390854 199207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal people eat pasta + tomato sauce, right? What's the difference between tomato sauce and ketchup? < 1353390892 443645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketchup is spiced much differently, cooked to a different consistency, much more vinegary, and has lots of sugar. < 1353390952 221090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that i didn't notice how sweet ketchup is until someone pointed it out to me < 1353390955 222682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but damn < 1353390972 478523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vinegar syrup with a slight tomato theme < 1353390989 586034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sweet and sour sauce. < 1353391003 626089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i hadn't thought of that, but yes < 1353391004 545947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's good. I don't particularly like tomatos, except as part of pizza. < 1353391027 32952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: seriously though, if you like it, eat it, don't let us tell you that it's gross even though it is < 1353391038 889998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste is so arbitrary < 1353391046 924927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is still really gross though) < 1353391067 219803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get more parmesan cheese I'll start using that again < 1353391081 859590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although parmesan cheese is really only really really good with shell-shaped pasta < 1353391092 853410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that < 1353391094 553124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree < 1353391098 189275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a nostalgia factor at work here) < 1353391100 373020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353391101 562934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1353391113 470038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know what else is sweet?! < 1353391117 269748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: balsamic vinegar < 1353391126 346824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with strawberries) < 1353391128 427616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but also without) < 1353391133 162199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In.. pre-k? Kindergarten? We had a bunch of foods with some themes and one of them was "sand and shells" < 1353391133 335268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the point is, balsamic vinegar) < 1353391138 47237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote q < 1353391138 434683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says: is there a haskell client for the quantum random bit generator service? i was joking that i tend to flip coins as to which project i work on that way at least in < 1353391138 732267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some universe there is probably a me working on the more interesting one, but it strikes me that it would be nicer to actually have that coin flip hinge on a simpler quantum event < 1353391144 835979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on, I had my mom make some for me, and I liked it < 1353391154 485266 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that thing still up? < 1353391157 7599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's kind of how pasta+parmesan cheese became a staple food for me < 1353391175 9288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/ apparently < 1353391220 232142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many angry emails about what "random" _really_ means they get. < 1353391428 67411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pasta with both tomato sauce and parmesan cheese. < 1353392010 100538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finish more of my pasta when I put ketchup on it < 1353392020 516559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if that really means I prefer ketchup+pasta or not < 1353392057 446139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1353392247 449985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc should i go to sleep < 1353392275 837106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: no elliott dont do it < 1353392282 272271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not kmc < 1353392294 109838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: im kmc < 1353392339 33537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353392438 255791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep is as optional as food. < 1353392451 854258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason, you saying "Food is not optional" is stuck in my mind) < 1353392467 565732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip a coin < 1353392484 92560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2 < 1353392484 371589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2 < 1353392491 567033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which one was 2 again < 1353392500 927047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to flip a coin for which one 2 meant < 1353392505 143129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d0 < 1353392505 400660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d0 => 1 < 1353392527 214379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it Sgeo < 1353392567 393172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not drunk, I don't know why I've been acting weird < 1353392728 237192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 139d384 < 1353392728 668082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :139d384 => 30003 < 1353392795 624056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Dungeons&Dragons game today. I am recording it at this time. < 1353392884 172848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1353393004 634245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you weird in general? < 1353393542 567502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1353393563 125049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for what? < 1353393615 220975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question < 1353393826 415824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some audio chips interleave the channel output instead of mixed. There are also some with nonlinear mixing. Such thing may be use in musics made with Csound and so on for special effects? < 1353395044 603896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another special effect I may want to use is posterize, and perhaps, solarize. These thing could be done probably with UDO or with plugins. < 1353395113 71624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be any musics with Proce esolang? < 1353396243 701314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wearing the same shirt ANdy is. I feel 300 times more awesome now. < 1353396249 13808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1353396259 924232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was an accidental middle-click) < 1353396297 346315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hi < 1353396308 792813 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1353396324 793995 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly < 1353396328 515902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17) Meh ._. \ 62) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies < 1353396343 482887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 17? 62? < 1353396344 792984 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, boring quotes < 1353396349 338736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no clue < 1353396352 711592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: How long have you been around here? < 1353396380 898607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, but not *that* long, I don't think < 1353396383 307126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages < 1353396444 793821 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first edit on the wiki was 19 dec 2008 < 1353396454 403512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help whats a 2008 < 1353396459 596229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i even laive?? < 1353396517 342559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-10 23:41:13] ... FireFly [n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se] has joined #esoteric < 1353396525 309380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though my logs do have gaps.) < 1353396559 801916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was my first join < 1353396565 202864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it: 2012 < 1353396569 445444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nov < 1353396570 535770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 < 1353396572 275084 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hardly long compared to the age of the channel though < 1353396588 651544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly long compared to the age of the UNIVERSE!!!!!! < 1353396596 419520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also true < 1353396597 31524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "oops i just got FireFly" < 1353396627 759807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-06-21 23:41:06] ... shachaf [n=shachaf@66.17.178.32] has joined #esoteric < 1353396641 643164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa dude really < 1353396652 594745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: HOW'S THAT, huh < 1353396696 513684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you did not say anything and disappeared at some point during June 2008, since there are no more mentions pre-2011-01-04. < 1353396765 451837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1353396906 473921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my logs look like, at least. < 1353396914 525339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait, I had a | head in there. < 1353396938 505351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that explains why it ended so abruptly. < 1353396970 8914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did shachaf say things in 2008 < 1353396970 154353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without the | head I don't see any actual comments. < 1353396976 524062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-06-27 20:03:07] < tusho> AAA_AAA ais523 AnMaster atsampson augur bsmntbombdood cctoide cherez clog Corun Deewiant Dewi fizzie ihope Ilari jamesstanley Judofyr lament lifthras1ir mtve oklopol Polar puzzlet RodgerTheGreat sebbu sekhmet Sgeo shachaf SimonRC Slereah_ timotiis tusho < 1353396982 18908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-09-04 09:19:48] ... shachaf [n=shachaf@66.17.178.32] has quit [Remote closed the connection] < 1353396985 515554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it. < 1353396989 562154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353396990 568126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several other joins and parts and netsplits. < 1353396994 66125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are secret ip addresses < 1353397014 247808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer is broadcasting an IP address! < 1353397026 597240 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2dhcp < 1353397270 749676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FKGWFoIjvw < 1353397328 336568 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1353398869 445699 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353398974 900175 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1353398984 957180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to scry the king now I know his favorite color! < 1353399050 71896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it gray < 1353399052 2164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or grey < 1353399057 821392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is important" < 1353399104 378238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I wrote it in "level20.tex" file recording this Dungeons&Dragons game, and I found out, it is purple. < 1353399120 695448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because the king said so, but because the royal wizard said so. < 1353399134 625937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"256 shades of gray", a book about the encoding of grayscale JPEG images. < 1353399156 867486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you the royal wizard < 1353399158 915444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to confirm, if it is who it says it is, when I used a psychic communication link, but he doesn't know me so we have to ask wizard in that way. < 1353399163 593241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No. < 1353399296 75102 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353399315 262196 :aloril_!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353399372 739941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welqome baq < 1353399380 733303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy < 1353399385 547336 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1353399392 333644 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353399425 552307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You see in the recording story file, who it is! Even I don't know their name, though. < 1353399472 854297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I bet you feel like figuring out taking for me. < 1353399506 106640 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking? < 1353399506 295704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the #esoteric "welcome bag" contain? < 1353399541 27081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353399643 102891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck derivatives < 1353399680 962827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my welcome bag was being asked what my purpose here was......................................this was when i first(second?(third?)) joined < 1353399693 24979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty taking < 1353399694 558449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => Int -> SimpleLensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f) s a -> SimpleLensLike f s a < 1353399709 981108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read up on these fancy lens things some day < 1353399719 968664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, FireFly. < 1353399721 292093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should. < 1353399725 852489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you use Haskell? < 1353399732 501271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not now < 1353399734 235155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your `welcome home`:::: < 1353399737 36760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pays attention to the lecture instead < 1353399737 921573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix taking < 1353399742 68766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime FireFly < 1353399742 930441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for FireFly is Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:22:22 +0100 < 1353399795 649549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one of my programming classes in college used it and I wrote some things in it (like a simple compiler and some stuff?) but I'm really not that good at it < 1353399801 919508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy < 1353399806 710228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353399807 647387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just in case you didn't feel welcome after ~2 yeras. < 1353399809 86474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*years < 1353399820 162776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw i've never been `welcomed < 1353399825 966773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo elliott should `welcome me < 1353399837 361406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think the current state of shachaf never having been `welcomed is perfect < 1353399850 670637 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mean < 1353399855 161319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in favour say `eye` < 1353399882 204395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should elliott welcome me < 1353399905 277750 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really need welcoming < 1353399924 126184 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming < 1353399930 236238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming < 1353399944 174357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes to the first and third one < 1353399949 605157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the second < 1353399966 589641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2 more but "i'm sure you can figure them out" < 1353399995 519510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you forgot one < 1353400001 527038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming < 1353400006 703730 :intok!~junko@h69-131-103-215.nwblwi.broadband.dynamic.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353400021 364227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you forgot some more < 1353400030 34337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do you really need welcoming < 1353400030 836982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did think it was really interesting though, I loved the typing and type inference and stuff < 1353400038 8421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming < 1353400043 560349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming < 1353400049 891766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"combinatorics" < 1353400054 921346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"except not really" < 1353400059 563179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of" < 1353400061 885510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"power set??" < 1353400067 363260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It's great! < 1353400074 444381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want a Haskell puzzle that I can't figure out? < 1353400075 670598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too many and overwhelming :'( < 1353400079 641353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: No one else is figuring it out either. < 1353400081 927447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even monqy < 1353400088 376332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy the super genious?? < 1353400089 415437 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1353400089 626059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: dont do it < 1353400092 298049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant figure it out < 1353400095 497411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is just trying to get you to do work for free < 1353400103 187257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I don't think I'd have any hope here, I haven't used the language in like 2 years ^^;; < 1353400106 704323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ill pay you in eternal gratitude < 1353400107 628706 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is Fiora on Sgeo's list yet < 1353400118 195898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am? < 1353400120 234738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You want eternal gratitude, right? < 1353400121 913009 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1353400136 927524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eternal gratitude expires in 12 months unless you earn more gratitude.) < 1353400169 32960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(earning my gratitude is easy!) < 1353400173 864403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "imo say yes" < 1353400197 23870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Sgeo's list? < 1353400208 97176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you know this channel evaluates haskell < 1353400219 194611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sgeo explained the list to fiora. < 1353400219 881617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) < 1353400221 586902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the mystery is gone < 1353400221 732389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs < 1353400221 992107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)' < 1353400223 923888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1... < 1353400325 912207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott < 1353400329 668134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353400330 861356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tit for tat plz < 1353400339 338087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353400341 450866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tit yourself < 1353400343 923048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tat yourself < 1353400352 231198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz yourself < 1353400429 773488 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, I think I saw people using it like that earlier < 1353400477 803906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: um, ok < 1353400490 642576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can solve haskell puzzles though especially if nobody else can < 1353400600 583070 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a puzzle it's just a stupid thing shachaf asks people to do and we ignore him < 1353400615 622726 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure it's interesting if you're into that sort of stuff but < 1353400626 970732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really feel like lenses right now. i feel like Lens < 1353400648 522453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, does it have to be in Haskell? < 1353400651 567742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::innocentface: < 1353400667 261685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you can manage to solve it not in Haskell, I'll be surprised. < 1353400671 769698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to do with types and things. < 1353400755 879276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clojure is the perfect language of the month now < 1353400756 926170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it tcl < 1353400782 520331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a perfect langauge is like a computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers < 1353400787 911295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ain't exist < 1353402129 416356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353403133 118727 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353403567 849014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1353404758 440292 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a math puzzle i can't solve < 1353404765 281307 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: no one else is figuring it out either. < 1353404773 46354 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interested? < 1353404823 894724 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be pretty surprised if you were able to solve it not with math < 1353404830 935971 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with numbers and stuff. < 1353404865 659141 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or topology and zorn's lemma and cantor-bendixon derivatives and stuff, but i hear everything is numb3rs. < 1353404925 462059 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010100 < 1353404929 77936 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01010110101010100100101010101010100 < 1353404932 522502 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010101000101010101111 < 1353404936 509698 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010100010100101010101010101000101011 < 1353404938 697772 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01011010001011010101 < 1353404941 278620 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010101010100101 < 1353404946 924773 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :101010100101010101010010101010111001110001010111 < 1353404949 30105 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01010110101010101010 < 1353404955 532584 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ there i got you started < 1353406599 908995 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353406937 237145 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353407582 474362 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353408342 350864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353408542 870325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Phantom_Hoover < 1353408545 995426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1353408554 580165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf < 1353408569 54475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem Phantom_Hoover < 1353408577 330056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome to bfderivativecentral" < 1353408583 278775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented a language, does anyone want to help me imrpove it < 1353408605 894995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve bricks or brains < 1353408610 905754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"say yes" < 1353408696 484042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its a programming language based on math < 1353408738 598168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 766 < 1353408742 359049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :766) Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird < 1353408744 946743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 767 < 1353408749 124659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :767) I don't know which version of Linux kernel I'm using atm Hang on I'm on Windows < 1353408749 930016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 866 < 1353408753 382211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1353408754 763573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 867 < 1353408758 873496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1353408763 263122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 10000 < 1353408767 190795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1353408769 652953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2 variables, p and t < 1353408786 127691 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is an impostor and you have to figure out which < 1353408797 804896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let t=t+1 increments t, let t=t-1 decrements t < 1353408801 404568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I remember that movie! < 1353408816 661229 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a molydeux-type twitter feed with esolang ideas. < 1353408827 62066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let p=p+1 makes t refer to the next cell on the tape < 1353408832 496626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise for - < 1353408852 84223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed prints the current t < 1353408867 445215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma sets t to the input < 1353408869 736170 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the question you want help with whether it should be called mathfuck or brainmath or brainmathics or fuckmathics? < 1353408874 25068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a molydeux-type twitter feed with esolang ideas. < 1353408879 982406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Presto < 1353408883 995263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not to that point yet < 1353408885 319668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's kind of lame < 1353408886 736450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could work < 1353408907 821062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm struggling to work out what to call the loop instructions < 1353408917 923444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here math < 1353408941 394747 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math has an unsolved problem whereby it is not brainfuck please make math brainfuck < 1353408949 896582 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you trying to trick me < 1353408950 785963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigma and pi < 1353408954 510579 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :into helping you < 1353408957 94105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg perfect < 1353408960 575200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1353408962 999076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont need more help < 1353408967 262967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1353408970 762946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" < 1353408976 609486 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1353408983 893982 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you shachaf it was my time to shine < 1353408986 924119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll call it... < 1353408989 3183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathmath < 1353409025 20383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353409027 708612 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "fuck math" < 1353409028 391216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: protect mee < 1353409031 651106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$// < 1353409061 668950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: theres no going bakc < 1353409075 739506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you "play psychonauts" < 1353409084 629554 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played psychonauts ages ago < 1353409092 811464 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year!!!! but a bit less than that < 1353409104 675537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: like 11 months < 1353409106 91917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 months < 1353409106 767510 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are programs pdfs < 1353409107 648946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 months < 1353409109 498311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 months < 1353409110 412111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, yes < 1353409111 950332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 months < 1353409113 82430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 months < 1353409113 598264 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or latex < 1353409115 355312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 months < 1353409117 765198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 months < 1353409119 141938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're written in latex < 1353409120 338127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 months < 1353409122 848554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 months < 1353409122 994709 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but preferably compiled latex yeah < 1353409125 355674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 months < 1353409127 812263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 months?????? < 1353409145 500745 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one of those < 1353409173 409056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember the part with the turtle < 1353409177 371711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353409182 258225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved that turtle < 1353409185 727199 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the question is can be publish a math paper that's actually a fuck your mathbrain -fuck program that prints counterexamples to all the theorems. < 1353409190 451464 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we < 1353409244 595546 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: chris < 1353409247 304864 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :presto < 1353409247 845446 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1353409249 323911 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1353409253 682989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris pressey but different < 1353409254 65824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1353409254 855534 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found cpresto1. < 1353409259 546111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im interested in doing proper math in fuckbrainmath < 1353409272 338803 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :muchfrainbath < 1353409281 28790 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*muckfrainbath < 1353409287 160662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: answer to that question: no. since your theorems have counterexamples, peer review would be sure to find the errors in your proofs < 1353409290 106768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: (hahahahahaha) < 1353409302 867289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting good at this joke thing < 1353409324 443705 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a good one :d < 1353409329 828994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh is that because of goedels incompleteness theorems < 1353409364 655246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read geodel esher bahc, it was very inspiring < 1353409366 382277 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's because of the corollary that humans are superturing because they can do metamath so they can check every proof. < 1353409389 852430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing hahaha < 1353409398 712631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like superman for math < 1353409408 324350 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing to the rescue < 1353409409 842930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If only he had a theme tune..._ < 1353409477 391609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so will you write some theorems in brathmuck < 1353409503 592698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking, it would be cool if someone used it to prove fermats' last theorem? < 1353409513 194991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353409525 426955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that theorem!!!!! < 1353409530 229006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"second favorite theorem" < 1353409552 226796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg is your favourite gedoels incompleteness theorem?? < 1353409556 133680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mine is! < 1353409573 740086 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is perhaps that a countable 2d sft contains a strictly singly periodic point < 1353409576 275345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no < 1353409579 587439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is that < 1353409613 534983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers < 1353409619 56231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty cool huh" < 1353409624 82689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353409628 627858 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's not even my theorem) < 1353409635 142340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove that in muckbraiath < 1353409638 622596 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's awesome) < 1353409645 931124 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is the one where There is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers. < 1353409697 48141 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the continuum theorem. < 1353409697 226450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not a theorem monqy!!! < 1353409709 16989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hypothesis < 1353409711 134405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like evolution < 1353409738 235359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant prove it, goedel proved that < 1353409747 154139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can < 1353409755 85621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the right axioms < 1353409755 316012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are theories, theorems and hypotheses; are there also hypothems? < 1353409790 528786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but you cant prove they're the right axioms < 1353409792 566521 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2008/1334/pdf/22011.BallierAlexis.Paper.1334.pdf here read it < 1353409807 711166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes i can?? < 1353409826 414564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom 7: these are the right axioms < 1353409828 427636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1353409852 856104 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus axiom 8 that says 7 is correct, sealing the deal. < 1353409854 242900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 < 1353409858 160507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1353409862 178534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let t=t-1 let t=t-1 < 1353409865 198337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed qed qed qed qed < 1353409870 919166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma < 1353409872 306375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma < 1353409872 664817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1353409888 246557 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what theorem are you proving ? < 1353409889 240988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "oopse i just proved fermats last conjecture" < 1353409897 818364 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1353409905 977428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1353409907 388158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: p. cool "dont you think" < 1353409917 803351 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes teach me how < 1353409920 225821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : my favorite theorem is the one where There is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers. < 1353409926 71478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a ba dtheorem monqy ! < 1353409927 918452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot better than that guy from britain managed < 1353409943 90153 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how can it be bad if it's my favorite < 1353409951 867042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading that one and it was all nonsense < 1353410072 584979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:14 luite: the GHC programmers are very bad people :-( < 1353410083 243876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "remember that time you called JaffaCake stupid to his face" < 1353410108 881941 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw no ellipses in the figures. have a figure now and then asshole, it's common courtesy. < 1353410269 419265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Grr, this is like doing fusion by hand. < 1353410277 92721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really annoying. < 1353410280 955171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for how it should work? < 1353410292 746148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353410296 992850 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about Lens < 1353410345 219397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it's about lens < 1353412150 224915 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353412958 539994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353413499 740532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353414529 443196 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1353415015 873497 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353415411 904852 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353415449 622039 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1353416056 309986 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get "shachaf's quotes" < 1353416144 69763 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also notice that I'm reading lines from approx. 1½ hours ago < 1353416176 649160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hi < 1353416187 764272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, hello there < 1353416295 905717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Fiora is taking your tab completion prefix. < 1353416298 655886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fiora is taking your tab completion prefix. < 1353416311 89745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are y'all gonna stand for it" < 1353416320 425976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh?" < 1353416322 362722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln. use last-spoke like a sane person < 1353416325 780334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are y'all gonna take it sitting down?" < 1353416336 505106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "yes but no" < 1353416357 843417 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa!!! settle down with those quotes!!!! calm and cool it < 1353416386 404902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you might hurt somebody" < 1353416719 646848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no monqy < 1353416720 866892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1353416724 17352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up < 1353416728 420965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look at your own words" < 1353416794 609967 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry all i can see is you being careless w/ quotes and maybe hurting somebody < 1353416815 32634 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a problem only fixable by taking good care and also a chill pill < 1353417056 265995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353417068 756883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1353417076 154104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i buy a chill pill < 1353417173 317823 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no expert < 1353417910 815255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't you like it when someone comes into #haskell to ask a question about using ghci with their editor and the answers they get are (a) switch to unix (b) hey guys what's the true meaning of unix (c) switch to vim or emacs if you even want to matter as a person? < 1353417988 228782 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this happen often < 1353417991 664383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this happen < 1353418030 738829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes monqy < 1353418055 324229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cruel world beyond the safe sheltered walls of #esoteric" < 1353418088 510730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're talking about The True Meaning of Vim < 1353418096 955484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use hjkl are you a good person? < 1353418100 437377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in: no < 1353418137 959834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sad when the answers the regulars give annoy me more than the annoying newcomers. < 1353418205 143659 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I use hjkl am I a bad person ? < 1353418259 280540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1353418288 227960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> using hjkl in vim is almost as bad as using the arrow keys < 1353418295 648693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is using the arrow keys bad < 1353418345 545496 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolu↑ely < 1353418939 749328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should change my name to "XYzzie", where XY is chosen as the least likely initial IRC nickname character bigram. < 1353418972 155057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :XYzzY < 1353419486 274389 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353419775 877878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353420934 784734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353420974 783258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353421036 797756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also replace the z's with a letter with lower character code < 1353421042 811684 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. [ < 1353421234 424007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z ENCODING?? < 1353421267 16892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1353424037 914819 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353425337 884273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1353425354 563257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone mention yet that IDEs are for JAVA DRONES? < 1353425453 803472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the GHC RTS depend on posix? Also, can I somehow tell GHC to use a different RTS, or am I going to have to write my own compiler if I write my own RTS?" < 1353425489 177044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1353425508 588347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like one of those "world of pain" situations < 1353425519 667329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the answer to the first is nearly obvious from the fact that ghc works on windows < 1353425525 639895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me WINBLO$E < 1353426415 979782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353426610 740042 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353426629 900083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh https://github.com/toyvo/libpandoc < 1353426655 945122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1353426656 90658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning up a GHC RTS inside my CPython process to render some Markdown is totally reasonable right? < 1353426694 366239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1353426710 564558 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could still involve .NET somehow. < 1353426746 192744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C bindings to Haskell libraries < 1353426751 989523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the true sign haskell has made it < 1353426785 392548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly < 1353426799 117084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013 will be the year of haskell on the desktop < 1353426945 47699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only C implementations of markdown that I know of are Discount and PEG-markdown. Discount seemed a little bit too integrated and focused on HTML output for my taste, and PEG-markdown seemed to have a lot of dependencies and stuff. So I wrote my own." < 1353426949 29985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! fuck code reuse! < 1353427315 162772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1353427568 659131 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C programmers tend to be all "ew, dependencies, I'll write my own instead" < 1353427574 550144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353427584 642801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really disappointing situation < 1353427598 430056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course writing your own is how you show off how big your hacker penis is, and that's the best reason to use c for anything < 1353427745 975034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like rewriting code < 1353428088 242943 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353429575 263354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1353430105 27712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: guys what does in exactly do here et add1 x = x + 1 in map add1 [1,5,7] ? and how can I create function add1 and use it right away?(would be easy if you use javascript as explation) < 1353430154 129190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real quote? < 1353430165 448344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1353430188 139656 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can confirm < 1353430192 913453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Trudko: you probably want to read a haskell tutorial like learn you a haskell to get to grips with the basics of things like functions and map <[redacted]> elliott: I know what is map and what are functions I dont understand 1. What in is exactly doing iin aboewe example < 1353430201 176771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there goes my one line of effort < 1353430218 443407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1353430220 873678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only redacted one of the names < 1353430224 26479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foiled!!!! < 1353430230 697585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp < 1353430342 481067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you help me take over a japanese mobile phone operator so that eventually we can have goatse in the Supplementary Multilingual Plane < 1353430378 299101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think there is literally nothing i have ever aspired to less < 1353430461 975484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have so few aspired so little to so much < 1353430680 849009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353430796 143223 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353431002 810927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sigh https://github.com/waylan/Python-Markdown/issues/161 < 1353431143 855260 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353431296 743349 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1353431365 229902 :atriq!~nathan@84.13.73.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353431919 44706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353432170 812126 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: heh, nice < 1353432348 523433 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353432374 862905 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353432429 551084 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1353432634 848457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353432665 30981 :atriq!~nathan@84.13.73.140 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1353432777 553145 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353433002 233819 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1353433434 200670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/04/lavatory-self-portraits/ < 1353433566 46864 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1353433628 379821 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353434177 174616 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353434552 910613 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trade Depots can be too close to an edge!? < 1353434704 494211 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, PalaceCrushed now has a legendary miner and no defences < 1353435498 305624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1353436361 172816 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353436456 746686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353436636 675976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353436902 319860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, bad idea! < 1353436923 875686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always think "i should get around to having some defences already" and if you're lck < 1353436937 558064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lucky an ambush takes out several dorfs < 1353437341 523722 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353438656 937891 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1353438794 413613 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353439072 842465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1353439490 158616 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I missed the lesson, can anyone tell me the background to the k e^(i * theta) way of expressing a complex number? < 1353439548 162400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something about euler < 1353439618 78349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know about polar coordinates for the plane, right? < 1353439635 459963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote a C program that quits with a Bus Error when given the input of -1 < 1353439661 322902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complex numbers x + yi can be thought of as a point in the plane < 1353439714 525446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you convert that (x,y) to (r,θ) you can represent the number as r(cos(θ) + i sin(θ)) < 1353439739 79411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it so happens that cos(θ) + i sin(θ) = e^(i θ) < 1353439761 501311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can demonstrate by working out the respective power series, i think < 1353439776 264930 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you've skipped over the one part I didn't know < 1353439805 703009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is? < 1353439822 546494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what are complex numbers" < 1353439826 545653 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get from cos theta + i sin theta to e ^ (i theta) < 1353439866 812176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_formula < 1353439881 74705 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, FireFly < 1353439909 40891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can prove it using power series < 1353439941 654399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write the power series for e^(iθ) and then shuffle the terms around and pull out a power series for cos(θ) plus one for i sin(θ) < 1353439944 660076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did mention that ;) < 1353440018 798767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall I found it informative to plot z and sqrt(z), in the complex plane for some z on the edge of the unit circle < 1353440025 738941 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or z and z² for that matter < 1353440038 677415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this "using calculus" proof as well < 1353440081 188270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using calculus", is that where you just use euler's formula? < 1353440086 246143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1353440097 134428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that we call proof by induction < 1353440168 968645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Neither of these mathematicians saw the geometrical interpretation of the formula: the view of complex numbers as points in the complex plane arose only some 50 years later (see Caspar Wessel)." < 1353440452 517561 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it, I think I can get it from Maclaurin series < 1353440528 32109 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although is that overkill? < 1353440592 320529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's one of the standard ways to do it < 1353440615 169638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the taylor series, don't remember what the difference between those are < 1353440625 893159 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maclaurin is Taylor at 0 < 1353440686 701290 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taylor at a is f(a) + f'(a)*(x-a)/1! + f''(a)*(x-a)^2/2! ... < 1353440694 83018 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letting a = 0 makes it simpler < 1353440989 748322 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353441033 934062 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353441509 445299 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: arent there taylor/maclaurin series that dont converge to their associated function as n->infty < 1353441527 989326 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, but not for e, sin, and cos? < 1353441540 957807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e sin and cos are holomorphic, so yeah they converge. < 1353441634 771891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of function wouldn't converge? < 1353441653 573442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something that isn't differentiable everywhere? < 1353441664 853960 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln (1 + x) for x > 1 < 1353441684 720430 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A function that is equal to its Taylor series in an open interval (or a disc in the complex plane) is known as an analytic function." < 1353441687 488447 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can also have functions that are differentiable everywhere that aren't holomorphic. < 1353441692 370255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/3/4/734173a08dcfe45fcff058190d4ec0a1.png Wikipedia has an example. < 1353441707 155417 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, it's infinitely differentiable at 0, anyhow. < 1353441743 462024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so why doesn't that one work? < 1353441757 405114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-analytic_smooth_function oh, here we go. < 1353441773 856548 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the maclaurin series of it is 0 < 1353441815 256587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh. it's because at zero the taylor series converges to zero... < 1353441822 500290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tricky < 1353441834 51251 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they're usually kind of pathological. < 1353442052 272558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: polar representation of complexes is also useful for using them as rotations and stuff. < 1353442282 217604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353442388 803237 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1353442931 867704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1353443148 765561 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353443156 864320 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353443400 26754 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1353443418 733230 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353443951 654778 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1353444487 451441 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that i had < 1353444499 750036 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wings of a dove < 1353444510 905301 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rest on me < 1353444713 697928 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :55:6 < 1353444758 497776 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353444808 205939 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1353445482 533757 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353445623 527729 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Palacecrushed is going very well < 1353445623 711671 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the fact that the merchants are here and I haven't anything to trade < 1353445623 711854 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the path to the trade depot is a bit odd < 1353445798 979917 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The military is equiped with iron weapons < 1353445803 104108 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no flux yet) < 1353446049 613135 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've missed the merchants < 1353446050 974776 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind < 1353446304 606921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pathological may be slightly too strong a word < 1353446377 678493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathologically logical paths < 1353446721 396039 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, context? < 1353446779 89257 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my saying smooth but non-analytic functions are "kind of pathological" < 1353446974 603486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't an analytic function from R completely determined by its values on any open set? < 1353447050 32438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that only worked in C. < 1353447064 912824 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't R a subset of C, or...? < 1353447107 64579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it's given by a converging series, it seems that you can determine the coefficients by taking derivatives at 0. < 1353447193 642151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the issue of functions like the one Bike mentioned though, right? which are analytic but not homomorphic < 1353447203 330175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphic? < 1353447205 636377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1353447209 983118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what < 1353447220 777172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she means holomorphic. < 1353447229 98099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh holo < 1353447234 490881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard of that < 1353447245 739240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a synonym for "analytic", usually. < 1353447265 91710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how being holomorphic has anything to do with this < 1353447267 76542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, yeah < 1353447276 587885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphic was the condition for whether a taylor series works I think Bike said? < 1353447289 209589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is the same thing as "you can figure it all out from derivatives at one place" < 1353447308 787860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow the reason i think pathological is a bit of a strong word is that if an open set determines an analytic function, pretty much every smooth function you come up with will be non-analytic. < 1353447309 675202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, complex analytic functions are holomorphic, but real analytic functions aren't necessarily, I think. < 1353447335 929383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just directly take some function with a name. they usually have a name because they have nice series representations. < 1353447349 713017 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_function#Pathological_functions poincaré is more what I mean < 1353447375 2288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat pathological < 1353447378 272363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, that. most functions are non-analytic and smooth probably, but they're still subjectively weird < 1353447380 180198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that function < 1353447384 149349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example of an analytic non-smooth function was not. < 1353447407 596528 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that may be a bit subjective < 1353447417 565161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of exactly the weierstrass function for comparison btw < 1353447419 570663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1353447424 244295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1353447477 994550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also saying "most" here is a bit dangerous since often "a measure one subset of" B will be non-A where A is a subset of B, but actually it's very hard to find an element in B \ A. < 1353447494 906794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose I could come up with a more rigorous "pathological" based on only allowing compositions of standard functions or something, but that'd be pretty pointless and I'm not good enough at real analysis to know what I'm saying anyway < 1353447518 472887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't done analysis stuff like this in... gosh too many years <_> < 1353447539 378629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a few analysis courses like 4 years ago < 1353447600 607290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so we have these couple of functions that interested ancient mathematicians and are useful in all sortsa fields but we already know everything about them so you students can just fuck yourselves and listen." < 1353447610 560763 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1353447616 959034 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my thing. < 1353447705 96628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it... < 1353447713 873278 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353447714 60599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex analysis was fun though I think it was like 90% cauchy < 1353447781 314261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking forward to understanding how the fuck analytic combinatorics works, since apparently you can work out combinatoric values through complex analysis < 1353447942 362713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that looks neat. < 1353447953 690544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1353447972 5409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i'm pretty bad at both so combining them is hazardous for me < 1353447979 652959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope to at least do some ordinary combinatorics at some point, like graphs or something < 1353448003 189107 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1353448044 56490 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno, finite things are so complicated < 1353448055 565401 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1353448066 264308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again people are doing so much graph stuff it must be like ridiculously easy. < 1353448089 261740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least coming up with problems is easy < 1353448302 858177 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353448883 178406 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353448937 195103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353449096 11734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timetobleed.com/6-line-eventmachine-bugfix-2x-faster-gc-1300-requestssec/ conservative gc: still a bad idea < 1353449265 635914 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353449279 513523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... that Ruby thread gets an entire copy of the existing stack. 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