00:00:18 <tswett> Yes, those quotes are definitely very relevant to the fact that I used to type on a piano.
00:00:51 <olsner> istr we removed quote 88
00:00:58 <tswett> I will try to stop shachaf.
00:01:03 <tswett> I'm not sure if that worked.
00:01:03 <HackEgo> 88) <ais523> (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?)
00:01:15 <HackEgo> /bin/sh: Can't open /hackenv/bin/allquotes
00:01:17 <tswett> shachaf: I'm not sure.
00:01:29 <tswett> shachaf: ask Phantom_Hoover.
00:01:35 <ais523> shachaf: please stop spamming the bots
00:01:38 <olsner> ah, we didn't delete 88, we just made another quote about it
00:01:39 <HackEgo> /bin/sh: Can't open /hackenv/bin/allquotes
00:02:17 <ion> Why not Zoidberg?
00:02:46 <ais523> shachaf: there's a tradition where we request exactly five quotes then delete one
00:02:46 <tswett> I don't like how HackEgo renumbers a quote any time a prior quote is deleted.
00:02:50 <ais523> even that gets spammy after a while
00:03:04 <shachaf> What about requesting 10 quotes and deleting two.
00:03:05 <ais523> requesting that many in a row is ridiculous, though
00:03:05 <tswett> There's also a tradition where HackEgo is really slow.
00:03:14 <shachaf> That method is clearly superior.
00:03:19 <Phantom_Hoover> tswett, you're talking about a system designed by someone who implemented fortune by selecting a random line in the quotes file and seeking back to the separator.
00:03:19 <HackEgo> 1) <Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her.
00:03:31 <HackEgo> 623) <zzo38> Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore?
00:03:33 <shachaf> ais523: You get more choice, so you can delete worse quotes on average.
00:03:34 <HackEgo> 115) <Mathnerd314> Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE.
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 638) <Darth_Cliche> There's British KFC? Kent Fried Chicken?
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 823) <fungot> olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 747) <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: gsi-ffs.scm just has a tendency to give procedures meaningful, spelled out, names, unlike " fnord)"
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 182) <Phantom_Hoover> OK, let's reduce the human genome to 4 chromosomes, in 2 homologous pairs.
00:03:41 <HackEgo> 188) <Sgeo> My quotes are boring
00:03:47 <HackEgo> 277) <ZOMGMODULES> elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate.
00:03:48 <HackEgo> 50) <apollo> Maternal instincts? <apollo> Don't you just leave the thing in a box until it starts crying, and then shake it until it stops? \ 278) <Phantom_Hoover> ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. \ 289) <oklopol> and then there's the slightly annoying one where suddenly, i start rolling forward and i can't stop <oklopol> like i can be having some great sex dream or whatever and then suddenly "oh
00:03:56 <shachaf> ais523: And there's less of the noise-spam that happens between `quotes.
00:05:22 <tswett> "I certify that ____ ____ ____ was born to parents ____ ____ ____ and ____ ____ ____ here in ____ this ____ day of ____, CHRIS."
00:05:40 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: It boots up a VM and installs Debian on it before running your program.
00:06:25 <Phantom_Hoover> but it's actually just running with a patched libc or something, no?
00:07:20 <oerjan> *"I certify that CHRIS ____ ____ was born to parents CHRIS ____ ____ and CHRIS ____ ____ here in CHRIS this CHRIS day of CHRIS, CHRIS."
00:09:22 <olsner> it might be doing a clean checkout of that hg repo for every command, then committing whatever changes the command made
00:09:49 <olsner> don't think that would be that slow though
00:10:19 <elliott> olsner: it's doing that + starting linux
00:11:50 <olsner> oh great, this is one of those indiana jones episodes
00:14:04 <olsner> featuring: germans, russians, macgyver and traps
00:15:37 <Phantom_Hoover> 175 units of forgotten beast meat, sitting out in the open to rot
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00:23:36 <Phantom_Hoover> i forgot to actually make the bridges into my fortress retractible
00:23:46 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oh: not found
00:27:19 <HackEgo> 549) <oklopol> king is something women are better at than men
00:27:50 <HackEgo> 417) <Taneb> I can't afford one of those! <Taneb> A grandchild, not a laser printer
00:27:56 <HackEgo> 768) <tswett> ais523: well, Dylan said "hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows", and then Lawlabee said "'cuz it's pretty awesome." <tswett> Except that by "it", Lawlabee was referring to something entirely different. <tswett> So when I added that quote, Lawlabee emotifrowned.
00:27:59 <HackEgo> 537) <fungot> elliott: mr president, commissioner, i fully accept that description when it comes to human rights. yes, with an average fat content of chocolate, and we are using double standards! we all know that under present legislation and also in relation to standardization bodies. if i do not want.
00:28:01 <HackEgo> 289) <oklopol> and then there's the slightly annoying one where suddenly, i start rolling forward and i can't stop <oklopol> like i can be having some great sex dream or whatever and then suddenly "oh god not this again" <oklopol> (i go "not this again" but not necessarily realize it's a dream)
00:29:48 <Phantom_Hoover> yes mayor this is the opportune moment to declare a party
00:30:22 <oerjan> we shall found... the Cheese Party!
00:30:22 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: im going to start the df fort in a few minutes but
00:30:25 <elliott> ive forgotten how to play df entirely
00:31:25 <elliott> monqy: ugh have you seen termcast brogue
00:31:33 <elliott> i like to play `hugeterm faketerm df'
00:31:34 <monqy> ive seen termcast df yes
00:31:46 <elliott> 80x25 df sounds unplayable
00:32:02 <monqy> i forget, did i termcast df adventure mode when i played it
00:32:35 <Phantom_Hoover> meanwhile, shachaf is whipping sorry motherfuckers apart left right and centre
00:32:36 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: it's pretty much how any first df adventure mode experience goes
00:33:47 <elliott> monqy: any opinions on the quotes btw
00:34:01 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: Rename that dwarf!
00:34:56 <oerjan> it's their rude winking at him
00:35:34 <monqy> elliott: #1 problem is my eyes keep glazing over, so to speak, when i try reading 537
00:36:22 <tswett> fungot: hey, what are those corpora you can use, again?
00:36:22 <fungot> tswett: it is as bad as please. the channel secretary will mail you the bill. :)
00:36:32 <tswett> fungot: thanks in advance.
00:36:32 <fungot> tswett: ( i threw in the python-style slicing e.g. ( is that a computer cannot do?
00:36:33 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
00:36:44 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, req. that you at least enable scourges in the raws
00:36:56 <fungot> Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
00:37:00 <fungot> tswett: but i've got great names for everyone else's hypothetical sons! anything that comes out and people want to know
00:38:28 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: what do those do again
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00:41:19 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: im going to leave the raws unchanged
00:41:21 <elliott> u r going to have to deal w/ it
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00:45:54 <HackEgo> sivoais: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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00:49:30 <tswett> fungot: can I have another one svp?
00:49:31 <fungot> tswett: are you in this house, god? i am!
00:49:40 <tswett> fungot: I dunno. One more svp.
00:50:07 <tswett> fungot: well? Don't just ignore me svp.
00:50:20 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1
00:52:12 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: Hmm, was that an impostor a couple of days ago?
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01:42:46 <kmc> fungot: hug
01:42:47 <fungot> kmc: looks more to me like a bush. my first play is more abstract, for you see, i ran this exercise! i also like to say hello
01:43:14 <fungot> shachaf: alternate universe, that's " law and order". and it doesn't have to be shakespeare. how's the weather up there so it makes sense, dromiceiomimus! anyway, if i did, good! cause you're just walking around, chatting with their friends, being attractive in the media
01:44:07 <Jafet> fungot knows about the dromiceiomimus
01:44:08 <fungot> Jafet: i don't think i ever want to be on to something like this, if people saw me on a mountaineering tale of the star of the story! choose from! and if i ever turn into a werewolf, i would definitely rate her current attractiveness as at least, i've never remembered them and they've never been enough to wake me up, which amounts to pretty much, yeah, i was there, encouraging when i see a jerk sitting, cautious in your movemen
01:45:10 <shachaf> kmc: Should I listen to Alice's Restaurant today?
01:45:11 <fungot> Jafe: i think, as a people, have been responsible. it'll all come flooding, then i'll certainly be blue! because
01:45:20 <kmc> tswett: you used to type on a piano?
01:45:29 <kmc> shachaf: today and every day
01:45:54 <shachaf> Jafet: How did you do that?
01:46:09 <shachaf> kmc: Have you been to the restaurant?
01:46:17 <shachaf> It's in MA somewhere, isn't it?
01:46:46 <kmc> i have not
01:47:05 <kmc> that is at the other end of massachusetts :(
01:47:35 <shachaf> Are there any trains stopping there?
01:47:55 <kmc> i could take the train to albany and bike
01:47:56 <Jafet> fungot: check check, i am making sense? reverse duck nailed on the fnord, we examine it gravely
01:47:57 <fungot> Jafet: oh, but i was never going to. but, i do know that others may live a real life it'll be a great show. people can call me...
01:50:26 <kmc> or to pittsfield actually
01:51:27 <shachaf> kmc: Did you know they made an Alice's Restaurant film?
01:51:38 <shachaf> Featuring Officer Obie as Officer Obie.
01:51:47 <kmc> less than 4 hours
01:53:28 <Arc_Koen> à égalité avec Window of Opportunity je pense
01:53:39 <Arc_Koen> merci coppro de m'avoir poussé à continuer
01:57:28 <Arc_Koen> I was saying, thank you coppro for talking me into watching the last two seasons of sg-1
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02:00:25 <tswett> kmc: I used to type on a device with 88 keys. A piano is a device with 88 keys.
02:00:33 <tswett> Therefore, it is possible to logically conclude that I used to type on a piano.
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02:02:13 <kmc> i was hoping for a cooler answer than that, sorry
02:02:48 <Jafet> Yamaha makes keyboards with 88 keys; therefore, it can be concluded that this sentence makes no sense
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02:16:42 <tswett> kmc: feel free to come up with a cooler answer.
02:19:47 <kmc> the cooler answer would be that you had a MIDI keyboard hooked up to your computer and were using it to type in some clever way
02:20:05 <kmc> not just "one key per character" but like sweet chords and such
02:20:35 <Jafet> Imagine using emacs with that
02:21:16 <kmc> obviously you would use pedals for control and meta
02:22:22 <pikhq_> tswett removed 17 of the alphabet characters from his keyboard.
02:22:24 <Jafet> "I sprained my ankles the other day." "How?"
02:24:06 <shachaf> I am currently two keys short of a full keyboard.
02:24:54 <shachaf> (...If you know what I mean.)
02:25:51 <kmc> i should buy the kinesis foot pedals
02:30:40 <elliott> kmc: can someone direct me to the list of available IRC commands for this channel? seems to be unique (restricted), relative to other channels.
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03:11:23 <tswett> kmc: yeah, I like that idea.
03:11:27 <tswett> Should be easy enough to implement.
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03:12:40 <tswett> First, say that there are 31 characters that you can type by pressing some combination of the notes C through G.
03:12:50 <tswett> Make them octave-independent, so that you can alternate between hands.
03:14:04 <tswett> You could make other characters using black keys, right? Say that D, E, and G can be flatted, giving you three options for those letters instead of two, so that brings you up to... 107 characters.
03:14:29 <tswett> Which is more than the number of ASCII printable characters, so you should be more or less in business.
03:14:31 <Bike> what about the other two notes in the octave...?
03:15:18 <tswett> As and Bs can be modifiers, if you want.
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04:04:19 <shachaf> elliott: Solved the unsafeCoerce!
04:09:27 <monqy> "just use unsafeCoerce :: (Functor f) => f a -> f b"
04:10:07 <shachaf> The solution is fmap (const undefined)
04:10:15 <shachaf> elliott: "btw this function never actually gets called ever"
04:10:33 <elliott> is https://github.com/ekmett/lens/commit/529aa2e6992de1c1a91ae58bc77e29381cb1de00 the wrong commit
04:10:35 <shachaf> "should i feel foolish now"
04:10:50 <elliott> and why is it (<$) undefined rather than just undefined
04:10:55 <shachaf> Yes, that's when I told edwardk "you can use fmap undefined" and he read it as "fmap unsafeCoerce"
04:11:37 <monqy> instance Gettable g => Gettable (EvilBazaar a b g) where
04:12:02 <shachaf> monqy: "who needs the where"
04:12:16 <elliott> who needs the random double quotes around every sentence
04:13:52 <monqy> "yeah who needs them"
04:14:56 <shachaf> 'Haddock' seems to 'require' 'them'
04:15:22 <kmc> http://windows95tips.tumblr.com/
04:20:51 <ion> It’s just as i remember.
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04:26:01 <shachaf> kmc: Wasn't Windows 95 great?
04:27:42 <shachaf> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcdjm3MIdo1rehruqo1_500.png
04:29:29 <ion> Now that BazaarT’s Gettable doesn’t use unsafeCoerce, couldn’t one just have a single Bazaar and document it with “plz don’t make stupid Gettable instances, kthxbye”?
04:29:47 <shachaf> I think I brought that up in #-blah
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06:17:49 <elliott> shachaf: is edwardk really adding this abomination
06:20:17 <shachaf> elliott: "should i fight it"
06:20:51 <elliott> fight for it to not take the name field :P
06:24:44 <ion> There’s about ⅓ chance he’s trolling us.
06:26:56 <elliott> no i'm serious about this peek thing
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07:03:36 <elliott> shachaf: are you really improving this awful thing
07:04:03 <elliott> it'll go on your tombstone
07:06:59 <elliott> shachaf: wow, I had no idea it was this bad
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07:08:36 <shachaf> "covariant" is just a scary word. :-(
07:08:53 <shachaf> Maybe I should say a functor "produces" a value in some sense.
07:09:01 <elliott> shachaf: congrats on introducing a new use of unsafeCoerce
07:09:18 <shachaf> elliott: Yes, how else would it work?
07:09:21 <monqy> elliott: remember that time you used unsafeCoerce
07:09:30 <shachaf> Hmm, maybe if it kept the TypeRep around?
07:09:31 <monqy> I dont think I've ever used unsafeCoerce!!
07:09:41 <shachaf> Well, that wouldn't really help, would it?
07:09:42 <elliott> monqy: i use unsafeCoerce a lot, i like it
07:09:59 <monqy> > unsafeCoerce 5 :: IO Int
07:10:03 <monqy> theres a first time for everything
07:10:33 <shachaf> λ> unsafeCoerce 5 :: IO Int
07:10:39 <monqy> > unsafeCoerce "hello" :: IO String
07:10:39 <monqy> <interactive>: internal error: stg_ap_v_ret (GHC version 7.6.1 for i386_unknown_linux) Please report this as a GHC bug: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug
07:10:40 <shachaf> when will you learn to haskell :'(
07:10:42 <monqy> [1] 10014 abort (core dumped) ghci
07:10:57 <monqy> i'm liking this function
07:12:23 <monqy> Prelude Unsafe.Coerce System.IO.Unsafe> unsafeCoerce (unsafePerformIO $ putStr "safe") :: String
07:12:28 <monqy> this is the best function ever
07:12:41 <elliott> monqy.... you just coerced a to a
07:29:32 <Sgeo_> o.O at that working
07:30:23 <Sgeo_> Getting "safe" back from putStr "safe"
07:30:47 <monqy> are you sure you understand what's going on
07:32:13 <Sgeo_> My understanding says it's surprising that that happens, so possibly not.
07:36:16 <shachaf> elliott: "fighting the good fight"
07:37:25 <ion> I like how our IRC is spread pretty arbitrarily over, like, four active channels.
07:38:32 <shachaf> It's mostly a "making fun of elliott" channel.
07:38:48 <ion> mun of elliott
07:40:06 <monqy> #making-fun-of-elliott-lens
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11:37:34 <ion> WYRMWOOD - An Australian Zombie Film (Out 2013) http://youtu.be/yFrGrH5zfbg
11:40:35 <fizzie> I think it's some sort of a bot.
11:40:47 <ion> Is that a problem? I can cease if they’re not wanted. (That trailer was promising, though.)
11:41:44 <Phantom_Hoover> well it's mainly that you just post them without comment or anything
11:41:44 <fizzie> It seems to have an impressive capability of providing superficially relevant-looking responses.
11:42:00 <fizzie> fungot: Listen and learn something, would you?
11:42:01 <fungot> fizzie: alternate universe, that's " law and order". and it doesn't have to be shakespeare. i'll do better next time, ok? let me know, right?
11:42:31 <fizzie> No, no, I was just monkeying around.
11:45:13 <ion> I know. That trailer was still promising.
11:45:35 <ion> *Everything* has been done to death by now. :-P
11:45:54 <Phantom_Hoover> It just looked like a lot of shaky camera work and washed-out filters to me
11:46:52 <ion> Ignoring the visual style, i found what they were doing with the zombies (not spoiling) interesting.
11:46:58 <ion> Hadn’t seen that before.
11:48:26 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm not sure adding a new infection vector makes zombies interesting again
11:48:40 <ion> No, not that.
11:49:11 <ion> Gurl jrer hfvat mbzovrf sbe shry.
11:50:43 <ion> Feel free to dislike it, but i’m going to watch that movie. :-P
11:51:56 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5971
11:52:22 <ion> It’s not as if the concept of zombies isn’t silly in the first place, it can still be entertaining.
11:53:14 <ion> I like the links to graphs.
11:54:36 <Phantom_Hoover> df's temperature system is probably the most awful piece of coding in it
11:54:51 <fizzie> I like the bit that says "When the unit's fat amount crosses a 2500 boundary, its clothing insulation is recomputed."
11:55:09 <Phantom_Hoover> it has very little effect on gameplay outside of a couple of situations, yet having it on at all cuts your fps in half
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13:36:45 <atriq> Monads are pronounced "mon-adds"?
13:36:57 <atriq> I've always pronounced them "moan-adds"
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14:05:39 <fizzie> I've always pronounced them "gonads".
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14:33:33 <atriq> Oh, that's a relief
14:33:42 <atriq> "mon-add" sounds really weird to me
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15:10:23 <boily> the ad in gonad is not pronounced the same way as the add in add?
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16:54:16 <coppro> my music prof was going to give us a dictation test
16:54:33 <coppro> and managed to pull off a rare and highly irritating psyche out 3x combo
16:55:33 <atriq> Did you enjoy the ballet, then?
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17:52:44 <atriq> I have no idea what I'm doing
17:52:56 <atriq> I'm stumbling around in the darkness of my own mind
17:52:59 <coppro> atriq: neither does elliott
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19:12:11 <atriq> Phantom_Hoover, should I continue with PalaceCrushed?
19:12:45 <Phantom_Hoover> well... i don't think a succession game with 2 people really /works/
19:13:10 <Phantom_Hoover> for one thing, there's no succession like with 3 people, you're just swapping
19:13:45 <atriq> It's a pretty nice fort, though, so I'll continue it on my own
19:14:23 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: oh i didn't start it
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19:36:41 <coppro> i walked into class to hear elevatorstuck
19:36:57 <coppro> i think the world is trying to tell me something
19:37:01 <coppro> its probably to get more sleep
19:37:33 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> ion, also zombies have been done to death by now <-- they were dead from the start hth
19:38:38 <oerjan> i guess i did help, then
19:42:32 <oerjan> 17:52:44: <atriq> I have no idea what I'm doing
19:42:32 <oerjan> 17:52:56: <atriq> I'm stumbling around in the darkness of my own mind
19:45:00 <oerjan> that's a lambdabot race condition, i think.
19:45:06 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ()))
19:45:29 <oerjan> that's the usual response. or wait it didn't use to that for IO types...
19:45:54 <oerjan> the number of stupid conflicting instances in lambdabot is growing.
19:47:28 <oerjan> in any case under none of the instances would lambdabot actually print "test"
19:48:14 <elliott> <oerjan> the number of stupid conflicting instances in lambdabot is growing.
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19:50:16 <oerjan> oh there are _none_ now?
19:51:01 <elliott> well I wouldn't go that far.
19:52:24 <elliott> shachaf: i see edwardk renamed field
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19:54:58 <zzo38> This week I thought of using RGB<->HSV for audio as well not only for pictures
19:57:23 <pikhq_> What would that even mean for audio?
19:58:42 <Fiora> the closest I can think of for audio would be like an FFT...? but it's really not the same thing
19:58:49 <olsner> extract the red, green and blue sounds, put back hued, saturated and valuable sounds
19:59:32 <Bike> something with the colors of noise?
19:59:42 <zzo38> What I thought was something like using R,G,B as the left, front, back channels and then convert to HSV to do modification on that and then back to RGB
20:01:02 <pikhq_> There's something *analogous* done in a lot of audio formats, actually.
20:01:50 <pikhq_> Backwards-compatible analog stereo is generally done via L+R and L-R signals, and audio compression prefers doing that too.
20:02:00 <zzo38> Yes I know about that.
20:02:12 <zzo38> Is it something like YUV?
20:03:22 <Fiora> L+R is literally L added to R (and similarly for L-R)
20:03:58 <zzo38> Yes, and I think Ambisonic-B is similar but with more directions than just left and right
20:04:01 <Fiora> I... think YUV has more complex coefficients
20:04:20 <Fiora> Y ~= 0.7G + 0.2R + 0.1B?
20:04:23 <pikhq_> zzo38: Yeah, Ambisonic-B is more similar.
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20:07:55 <zzo38> I have won all 23 games of basketball this season. But I still try to improve, just in case.
20:08:31 <zzo38> Fiora: Once I have made something like YUV for pictures, but treating all channels as equal instead of using coefficients like that
20:08:51 <Fiora> I think you need the coefficients to match human perception...
20:11:06 <Phantom_Hoover> my mayor has sentenced a random bone doctor to 40 days in jail because i forgot to make him some damn shields
20:11:32 <Phantom_Hoover> little does he realise that i have a cold case for murder that i can pin on anyone i want
20:11:32 <pikhq_> Fiora: Strictly speaking it's not *necessary*.
20:11:51 <pikhq_> The advantage of the coefficients is that it lets you transmit U and V with less resolution and still look acceptable.
20:11:53 <Fiora> for the best results I mean, but yeah
20:12:00 <Fiora> isn't there also the thing with grayscale?
20:12:10 <Fiora> i.e. "the Y channel looks like a grayscale version of the video"
20:12:15 <Fiora> like if it was shot with black and white film
20:12:36 <Fiora> I remember YUV was originally created as a backwards-compatibility thing to black and white television if I'm remembering my wikipedia right
20:12:45 <pikhq_> Yes, you wouldn't be able to use the Y signal as greyscale.
20:12:49 <pikhq_> And, yes, that's what it's for.
20:12:54 <zzo38> You can also use that with component video input/output in TV sets and other devices which have that.
20:13:01 <pikhq_> It just so happens it's *also* good as an easy compression format.
20:13:01 <zzo38> I have tried that and it works.
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20:13:36 <pikhq_> The other compression scheme used on analog video, interlacing, sucks ass though.
20:24:14 <kmc> does that even qualify as a compression scheme?
20:24:33 <kmc> it's more of a hack to increase the perceived framerate without affecting the bandwidth at all
20:27:52 <Vorpal> I just noticed an interesting behaviour of flash videos on Windows, if the browser window is not focused the video stutters badly (< 1 FPS). How strange.
20:32:43 <kmc> it makes a certain amount of sense that programs that aren't focused should get fewer resources
20:32:54 <kmc> it's not necessarily a good idea but i could see why someone would think it is
20:40:34 <Vorpal> kmc, it is not like the computer is heavily loaded either though
20:40:51 <Fiora> could flash itself choose to do that? maybe to avoid loading the CPU when the tab isn't active
20:41:01 <Vorpal> well, that is of course possible
20:41:04 <Fiora> like, to not render images when it's not displayed
20:41:26 <Vorpal> possibly since it doesn't happen on youtube in fact
20:43:34 <olsner> flash would never avoid loading the CPU
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20:52:04 <shachaf> elliott: Renamed field *and* pushed it into Data.Data.Lens!
20:56:48 <Vorpal> is it just me is the IO scheduler of windows terrible when under heavy load?
20:57:38 <Vorpal> as soon as you start an installer for something huge, anything else trying to use the disk become very unresponsive. Linux on the same computer doesn't do that.
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21:04:02 <atriq> The thing you're searching for is always the hardest to find...
21:09:48 <atriq> Nevermind, I found it
21:09:56 <oerjan> i hear it's always in the last place you look
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21:24:31 <Sgeo__> oerjan, that's totally not true.
21:25:09 <Sgeo__> ...I don't see a way to elaborate without killing the joke
21:25:36 <Bike> don't fret, you already have
21:25:52 <Sgeo__> If you never find it, it was not in the last place you looked.
21:29:15 <atriq> Bike, how's the Eodermdrone interpreter going?
21:29:57 <oerjan> he's probably stuck on the edge cases
21:30:07 <Bike> got as far as subgraph isomorphism, got bored with the replacement bit
21:30:11 <Bike> guess I should figure that out
21:32:37 <kmc> oerjan: c.c
21:33:09 * oerjan hasn't seen that smiley before
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21:40:36 <lambdabot> Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
21:41:02 <lambdabot> Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> (a, a) -> f (b, b)
21:43:04 <atriq> > both %~ 4 $ ("hello","oerjan"
21:43:06 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:30: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
21:43:06 <atriq> > both %~ 4 $ ("hello","oerjan")
21:43:19 <shachaf> atriq: I can't tell if that's meant as a joke or not.
21:43:42 <shachaf> You're applying the function 4 to two strings.
21:44:06 <atriq> 4 is the best function, which means I should get some sleep soon
21:44:25 <atriq> Because I haven't had sugary food in... 30 hours
21:45:06 <atriq> :t 4 `asAppliedTo` ""
21:45:21 <atriq> Of course, I should have written
21:45:24 <Bike> just what i've always wanted
21:45:33 <atriq> > both .~ 4 ("hello", "oerjan")
21:45:36 <lambdabot> *Exception: show: No overloading for function
21:45:42 <atriq> > both .~ 4 $ ("hello", "oerjan")
21:45:54 <shachaf> > set both 4 ("hello","Bike")
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21:47:03 <lambdabot> Getting (Product a) s t a b -> s -> a
21:47:39 <oerjan> s t a b seems like the right sequence of characters, there
21:47:50 <atriq> > productOf folded [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10]
21:47:58 <shachaf> oerjan: I advocated for it and went through th entire package renaming to it.
21:48:03 <lambdabot> (Applicative f1, Foldable f, Gettable f1) => (a -> f1 a) -> f a -> f1 (f a)
21:48:14 <atriq> Folded turns a Foldable into a Fold
21:48:27 <shachaf> folded :: Foldable f => Fold (f a) a
21:48:55 <shachaf> @ty id :: Getting a a a a a
21:50:01 <atriq> Apparently, Cale doesn't upgrade his libraries every half an hour like the rest of us
21:50:21 <atriq> That's a type error anyway
21:50:46 <atriq> "huh" ^?! id, however
21:51:21 <shachaf> But why use ^?! when you can use ^. ?
21:51:29 <oerjan> i think haskell has officially gone off the deep end.
21:51:43 <atriq> Haskell started off the deep end
21:51:49 <atriq> It's doing laps of the pool
21:51:58 <shachaf> oerjan: Want a quick explanation of lens?
21:52:43 <oerjan> no, i don't think my brain can absorb one.
21:52:53 <shachaf> It's not that complicated!
21:53:02 <oerjan> i was just reading the first post in a slow one.
21:53:14 <atriq> Lenses are like Monads: they look complicated because they are complicated
21:53:20 <atriq> However you get them with practise
21:54:36 <atriq> oerjan, basically, edwardk went insane and kidnapped then brainwashed and enslaved shachaf
21:54:37 <oerjan> my problem right now is that :t gives types that don't fit together without memorizing type synonyms...
21:55:02 <Phantom_Hoover> atriq, eh, the problem with monads is that they're actually infuratingly simple
21:55:03 <shachaf> The synonyms are actually simple if you know the pattern.
21:55:12 <Phantom_Hoover> there's just no obvious motivation for them to exist at all
21:55:23 <atriq> They're like lenses but backwards then
21:56:04 <shachaf> fresnel lens = almost a palindrome
21:56:24 <atriq> Ee, fresnel lens, er... free!
21:56:30 <shachaf> kmc: "this fact requires immediate attention"
21:57:40 <shachaf> where would we be without you
21:57:53 <oerjan> monqy: don't ever start smoking, ok?
21:58:38 <oerjan> hi is the gateway drug to irc
21:58:54 <atriq> I went cold turkey on "Hello"
21:59:04 <atriq> You can give up hi, monqy!
21:59:05 <shachaf> oerjan: I thought they made computers?
21:59:36 <shachaf> On October 16, 2007, Acer Inc. completed its acquisition of Gateway for approximately US$710 million.[3]
22:01:32 <shachaf> > set (partsOf (traverse.both.traverse)) "OERJAN JOHANSEN" [("hi","there"),("to","you"),("san","francisco")]
22:01:34 <lambdabot> [("OE","RJAN "),("JO","HAN"),("SEN","francisco")]
22:03:34 <pikhq_> Oe rjan jo han Sen Francisco.
22:04:37 <shachaf> "wait, was the answer know?"
22:04:38 <Bike> why would you ever want to do that, I wonder
22:04:41 <Lumpio-> ...well to be honest I see what it did but I have no idea why
22:04:45 <lambdabot> (Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
22:05:12 <lambdabot> Functor f => LensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Bazaar a a) s t a a -> ([a] -> f [a]) -> s -> f t
22:05:35 <monqy> im glad everything in lens has a dumb type signature
22:05:47 <Bike> everything is so clear now
22:05:50 <shachaf> partsOf :: Functor f => LensLike (BazaarT a a f) s t a a -> LensLike f s t [a] [a]
22:06:51 <monqy> "if only i knew lens"
22:07:00 <monqy> maybe i should learn it!!!!!!!
22:07:14 <shachaf> monqy: "tbh idk if you can handle it"
22:07:38 <atriq> Okay, partsOf takes a Traversal and returns a Lens
22:07:57 <atriq> A Traversal is basically a traditional Haskell Traversable
22:08:02 <lambdabot> (Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
22:08:05 <shachaf> partsOf' :: LensLike (Bazaar a a) s t a a -> Lens s t [a] [a]
22:08:34 <shachaf> monqy: lens 3.6 is getting a new function called "upon"
22:08:38 <atriq> traverse is in base, AND in lens! And it's exactly the same thing!
22:08:57 <monqy> I heard there's a function called "field" and it's evil
22:08:59 <shachaf> The deeply-nested version will be called uponTheDeep
22:09:06 <oerjan> shachaf: then it's only a matter of time before it gets "smite"
22:09:10 * oerjan sidles away carefully ->
22:09:10 <shachaf> monqy: "field" is now called "upon" :'(
22:09:23 <atriq> Anyway, a Traversal s t a b is Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
22:14:46 <atriq> You can read a Traversal s t a b as something where if you can change an a into a b, you can change an s into a t, and also if you can turn a into a monoid, you can turn s into THE SAME MONOID!
22:15:25 <Vorpal> why does everything have to be single letters
22:15:41 <atriq> Because single letters make words
22:15:54 <Vorpal> I guess that is a good answer
22:16:17 <atriq> And also I can't think of long names
22:16:36 <atriq> "Traversal collectionType1 collectionType2 elementType1 elementType2"?
22:16:49 <shachaf> Traversal source target alpha beta
22:18:14 <atriq> > partsOf both %~ reverse $ ('a','b')
22:18:47 <atriq> partsOf lets you use list functions on Traversals with a consistent element type
22:18:59 <atriq> It's very good for overkilling like that
22:18:59 <Bike> > reverse $ ('a','b')
22:19:01 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' with actual type `(t0, t1)'
22:22:42 <shachaf> atriq: ghc doesn't inline reverse :-(
22:22:50 <shachaf> I mean that it doesn't turn reverse [a,b] into [b,a]
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22:23:15 <shachaf> Which is to say, if you write unsafePartsOf both %~ (\[x,y] -> [y,x]), the code gets nicely optimized.
22:23:38 <shachaf> monqy: can you fix ghc's optimizer
22:23:56 <atriq> That assumes you know that it's being given a traversal with only two elements
22:24:34 <shachaf> (case w_s1mf of _ { (a4_a1e3, a'_a1e4) -> a4_a1e3 })
22:24:42 <shachaf> (case w_s1mf of _ { (a4_a1e8, a'_a1e9) -> a'_a1e9 })
22:24:43 <atriq> Bit if I said "partsOf traverse %~ reverse"
22:25:12 <atriq> > partsOf traverse %~ reverse $ Seq.fromList [1,2,3]
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22:26:29 <atriq> I need to learn to read GHC Core
22:27:10 <shachaf> ghc-core --no-cast file.hs
22:27:14 <shachaf> Just learn to ignore everything
22:27:23 <shachaf> Ignore all the parts that have @s
22:28:36 <shachaf> The trick to reading generated code is knowing what *not* to read.
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22:32:40 <kmc> you should just compile -fvia-C and read the C code instead
22:33:54 <atriq> I was going to write a Haskell interpreter at one point
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22:35:50 <atriq> It was going to be called "PHI"
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22:40:44 <atriq> Portinatx Haskell Interpreter
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22:55:54 <Sgeo__> I think that we should airlift nomic players to any nation that has just been through revolution, so maybe they can check for loopholes that allow power grabs.
22:56:37 <oerjan> i sense a sudden decrease in nomic player life expectancy
23:04:59 <Phantom_Hoover> also i just know you're going to do something dumb like embark on a terrifying glacier, don't do that
23:05:22 <elliott> well i am busy playing crawl to an audience of 76 people right now
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23:27:39 <shachaf> elliott: "you're missing all the lens discussions"
23:27:45 <shachaf> "your chance to make history"
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23:31:32 <oerjan> they seem to have lost focus.
23:32:01 <shachaf> Do you have a spy in our midst?
23:32:57 <shachaf> oerjan: We're talking about renaming operations in .Zipper now
23:33:08 <shachaf> "focus" is one of the operations in .Zipper
23:33:13 <shachaf> This can't be a coïncidence.
23:33:14 <elliott> is the joke that it's in the secret lens channel
23:33:19 <elliott> that you won't tell me the name of if i ask
23:34:42 <elliott> i did already ask yesterday iirc anyway
23:36:22 <elliott> shachaf: this channel doesn't make any sense
23:36:42 <shachaf> elliott: It doesn't even have a topic!
23:47:12 <kmc> in Nagios, "output" means "first line of output", and "long output" means "other lines of output"
23:47:36 <shachaf> > let output = take 1 output in output
23:50:23 <Sgeo__> Fiora, elliott and monqy and Phantom_Hoover have been updated.