< 1354320564 980499 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354320571 232219 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354320608 2091 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354322566 442053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best chess AI that can run on an ATtiny13 with 64 bytes of RAM under standard time controls? < 1354322591 988392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this would be more fun than writing a standard chess AI, and would require a lot more knowledge of the game < 1354322608 475944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Neverhood! < 1354322685 525397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a chess AI that hasn't room to store more than a handful of game boards. check. < 1354322692 465207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mate.) < 1354322754 667818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's with some clever compression.) < 1354322822 54531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just need one game board and the ability to store undos to previous positions, to do a minimax thing. < 1354322891 210905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354322949 568885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good luck. < 1354323053 152100 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e NICK :myndzi < 1354323069 948034 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354323127 394744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have 1kB of read-only code+data < 1354323138 610787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually you can write to it but sloooooowly and only a limited number of times < 1354323277 794057 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354324291 106501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1354324295 477463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1354324308 729948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does  do < 1354324332 245336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eally not much < 1354324369 413212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eally? < 1354324377 54466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott it's tomorrow now < 1354324381 165053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øh wëll. < 1354324389 247845 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354324520 750928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is standard time controls? < 1354324677 867972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1354324693 352964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIDE gives "90 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game with an addition of 30 seconds per move starting from move one" < 1354324853 422821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354326214 898155 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354329078 977317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a GEN routine "s3msample" for use with Csound. S3M loop point is one after the end, and I do not know if this is the case with Csound. < 1354329787 730533 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354330236 26844 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354331412 23099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does not support Adlib instruments. Perhaps there could be a plugin or UDO which plays Adlib instruments? < 1354331899 197647 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354332054 378421 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1354332541 477494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least what I think would be a good way to design a file browser for UNIX computers would be, is, if you type in some wildcards and push some key to open the file list which you can click the left button to add to the command, and perhaps right button to preview (you can set up the preview command with another key). < 1354332547 447968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? < 1354333014 743198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up, sees kmc's chess AI < 1354333049 789222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes... I guess you could fit a few bitboards in that < 1354333141 469452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be tricky though, I wonder if that's even enough room to store stuff for alpha/beta pruning < 1354333165 689351 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo038: yes your the ideas are good. but i really don't see why there must be a difference in the behaviour of a file browser and a http browser (for example). indeed i wonder why i need both.. < 1354333174 145909 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I < 1354333182 837089 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd even be worried about running out of just, like, temp space. like doing move generation < 1354333270 782271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: Well, it is useful for different things, and there are other reasons too, why it should differ in whatever ways. < 1354333299 494282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think it would be a fun challenge because you would rely a lot more on heuristic tricks rather than tree search < 1354333310 939155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the terminal emulator would load it to allow you to select files and then the files you selected are put in the command line. < 1354333317 122171 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dunno. there should be a a good way to browse through any hierarchical grouped data < 1354333335 400237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a chess AI sounds like a lot of fun < 1354333344 549928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was judging students' othello AIs, it seemed that the ones that did reasonably well in very little time were more interesting than the ones that had a competent implementation of alpha-beta minimax that consumed the full available time < 1354333350 826916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do a good bit of chess stuff but I was more interested in the AI than in, like, the actual game ^^;; < 1354333361 139874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :othello AIs! I remember that < 1354333363 919487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1354333388 480401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still a ton of heuristic stuff in tree search though < 1354333401 901628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so much, I remember reading for days about it < 1354333411 644788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the really complicated heuristics for gauging the state of the board < 1354333428 798046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensions, quiescence search... < 1354333463 347016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a fun thing for a hacker con with programmable badges < 1354333463 943241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the horizon problem <_> < 1354333471 138395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a thing where you can program a chess AI onto your badge < 1354333476 325630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it plays against other people you encounter < 1354333504 65075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just about the nerdiest idea i've ever heard said < 1354333507 355071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1354333514 916852 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite chess AI thing though is nakamura beating rybka in blitz chess < 1354333522 993763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the horrid way he did it < 1354333531 523790 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awesome < 1354333542 456637 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean the playbook hack thing < 1354333542 769278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/20186536921/ ) < 1354333554 681498 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354333566 269630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :horizon effect abuse, plus 50-move-rule abuse < 1354333574 499378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: Well, I don't think HTTP really supports hierachical grouped data (although the file being served could be XML or something which does support it), which, the file manager should be difference due to such thing. < 1354333603 621858 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't try extensions which enhance the abilities of some browsers to browse files too, but i've heard they're out there < 1354333629 230410 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there are differences on the technical side < 1354333657 947141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I don't think it is such a good idea as a general purpose file browser though, even if a web browser does have a file browser function. < 1354333705 670632 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is due to a kind of a strange meme < 1354333832 23611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wow, nice < 1354333882 842701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakamura is terrifying < 1354333889 923395 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a good way of course < 1354333959 404028 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horizon effect is really tricky though with tree search stuff in general < 1354333971 672454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the AI can keep "putting off" an inevitable doom and make it look like it's not actually coming < 1354333979 25461 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to prove that it is < 1354334015 242026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google chess programming wiki horizon effect < 1354334017 416218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Horizon+Effect < 1354334539 551108 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if no other routes are specified you can access files on a http server in the way their source is organised in files and directories on the server itself. nevertheless you can access all other routes with a string (typically by separating the tree level element names with a slash or sth) < 1354334633 386961 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354334762 16495 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand: who is typing urls anyway? < 1354334876 262655 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know it was my stupid idea :) < 1354334903 314980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do type URLs sometimes. < 1354334946 763083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However even though with HTTP generally (not always) the directory/filename is the URL, still HTTP doesn't have the option to list the files, so you have to instead output a HTML or XML file or whatever which list them. < 1354334958 41620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am usually typing in the URL if I want one. < 1354334970 200984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebDAV probably has a standard way to list them < 1354335018 5656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does, I don't know. < 1354335028 791514 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right. file listing is not allowed by default.. or better say route listing (which could be an option in the future) < 1354335038 858359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want file listing, use FTP < 1354335070 850778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for menus in general, you can use gopher. < 1354335080 487625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354335095 482231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose you can also use Plan9 protocol for file access is another way. < 1354335151 420930 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh np, i could use even http < 1354335193 514259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want file listing, that is what FTP is for, not HTTP. < 1354335300 413761 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the issue was to provide a sitemap, to enable the user to browse hierarchical grouped data not beeing bounded to "old fashioned ways" beeing aware of where the data is physically stored < 1354335316 205458 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there is no such standard < 1354335318 548382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, that is what gopher menu is for. < 1354335430 740729 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the idea to mount anything as device :) < 1354335476 24536 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which i could just navigate like on my filesystem.. that's it < 1354335518 170067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is programs should expose a virtual filesystem (if they have one) in their directory under /proc/ < 1354335549 276714 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that comes closer to what i called a route map < 1354335550 414670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So process ID 666 might have a virtual filesystem under /proc/666/fs/ or something like that. < 1354335646 5772 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354335718 345078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they should make it, if you have environment variable XPID for the X process ID, to access X clipboard buffers and stuff like /proc/$XPID/fs/PRIMARY and so on, as if it is like ordinary files. < 1354335737 491768 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1354335744 945969 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're at home brp < 1354335757 416304 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354336094 579198 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this tree should relly be pretty much orgnanized by the logical context rather than by physical storage or sth < 1354336188 651700 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the role in which the user behaves on the system might change the access (or even the structure) < 1354336376 370790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdzCZdvBp0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhACtJSCtq4 < 1354336445 722932 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354336563 899166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi how did i know this would be return to the neverhood < 1354336594 790298 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1354336638 499692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you psychic < 1354336652 19626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it < 1354336665 584226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or was it "bitter experience" < 1354336679 491981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354336681 30416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitter experience of you telling me to listen to return to the neverhood < 1354336743 716938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes that one < 1354337341 29003 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354337368 243791 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354337651 59990 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1354337682 405098 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354338722 788017 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354338940 696435 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354342289 155698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the sample rate does not mean the delay wanted is an integer number of samples, what is the best way to modify the delay buffer to more closely approxmiate the delay wanted more precisely? < 1354343388 792376 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354343854 700941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if the delay is 3.5 samples then how to make it closer to 3.5 rather than 3 or 4? < 1354344159 214430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache is now disabling SSL compression by default < 1354344396 819923 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354344971 965627 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354345428 848664 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354345507 850099 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345621 894240 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to build a program which just takes as input the Godel or "description" number of a Turing machine, along with an input, could the space of input for this program be correctly termed a "programming language"? < 1354345647 115663 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345650 467560 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1354345652 227507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say so < 1354345665 871601 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354345665 983909 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345671 465770 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, would YOU call it a programming language? :P < 1354345681 183698 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PART :#esoteric < 1354345689 723076 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345693 163998 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd call it inefficient, have you /seen/ godel-encoded stuff? < 1354345718 313927 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have; this isn't a practical project I'm planning on doing < 1354345783 279329 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354345871 461643 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't seen godel-encoded stuff < 1354345899 376459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it works, right? code up something to encode strings or w/e and see for yourself < 1354345903 360841 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you have bignums! < 1354345940 915943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :godel encoded programs are shorter than brainfuck programs if they use a good encoding < 1354346083 4167 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: here's the reference I've been using: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelNumber.html < 1354346115 323775 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've got a few ideas in mind :D if it works out, I'll share it here < 1354346146 727948 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: what ideas are those? so far you've just described the standard UTM definition < 1354346228 203405 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I was going to go a few levels above just natural numbers, mostly for novelty/interest; in particular, I'm planning on making an interpreter which will read regular english words (e.g. an essay) and return a reasonably large godel number < 1354346256 485702 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably won't correspond to valid programs, you realize < 1354346261 655154 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1354346303 206760 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for demonstrative purposes, I'll start with some simple machine (Fibonacci, etc) have a dict.txt file and choose adequate words randomly < 1354346324 869185 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there it might be the case that I can prune a somewhat sensible selection of words, but that's not necessary < 1354346379 468678 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my text-to-natural number converter is flexible enough though, it should be possible to get a meaningful english snippet < 1354346541 123061 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354346584 697252 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any particular reason you're involving godel coding? < 1354346857 109449 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because it's neat, and an interesting way to represent a TM < 1354346910 328121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not just for TMs, it's for arbitrary strings of integers < 1354346915 591252 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuojncesvqtsrpww JOIN :#esoteric < 1354346936 666561 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354346992 885135 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely! I actually started learning about its application to his Incompleteness theorems long before I started programming < 1354347019 911139 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbering system, although far from practical, has always struck me as very elegant < 1354347039 691763 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be interested in looking at optimal coding < 1354347087 607508 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, funny you mention that. I'm currently in an introductory abstract algebra class, and got waaaaay over my head in Shannon's work with groups and coding < 1354347119 863562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find shannon's big paper on communication online somewhere, though it's a bit old now < 1354347187 806856 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll definitely check it out. I suppose the foundational papers are usually a good place to start, considering how technical the modern coding schemes are < 1354347200 733368 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like huffman coding is pretty easy to understand < 1354347233 843341 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, I've got most of the basic schemes down < 1354347257 273224 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shannon's paper is just about information entropy and stuff iirc, fundamental but hasn't changed much < 1354347286 73302 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff though? *whoosh* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Golay_code < 1354347333 143461 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like "twelve-dimensional subspace" aren't nearly as scary as they look. just persevere, it'll make sense soon < 1354347437 281776 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice, thanks :) < 1354347454 304443 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my linear algebra has been neglected for one too many semesters.. < 1354347471 830068 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354347486 136619 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should follow up your godel thing with representing tms as infinite-dimensional matrices, just to practice your linear shit < 1354347651 991676 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to imagine how that representation applies.. an infinite dimensional matrix would correspond to a TM's (potentially) infinite string, where each "digit" is a vector? < 1354347708 491377 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just to computable functions (note that I'm tired and not thinking this through) < 1354348845 12450 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354348876 871813 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354349160 945722 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of operations such that a `op` a = a + 1 but a `op` non-a is not necessarily a+1 < 1354349182 835294 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a, b) = log_2 (2^a + 2^b) is one, but there's another < 1354349193 546516 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a, b) = (a+b)/2 + 1 < 1354349235 99907 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about f such that f(a,a) = a+1 but f(a,b) = 37 < 1354349292 866755 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a!=b ? < 1354349300 552008 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354349350 844191 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also f(a,b) = a+1 for all a and all b except when a=0 and b=1; f(0,1) = 0 < 1354349378 457281 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of easy ones, but ... there's something more interesting about the two I named, I think < 1354350552 115456 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354350596 302492 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354350596 375824 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354350596 375952 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354350638 362146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351376 982041 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351661 161821 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354351668 696556 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351818 261344 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351889 406046 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354352334 407740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354352377 684473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354352511 993062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354352539 734978 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: asleep < 1354354768 323598 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :whitef < 1354354878 170167 :whitef!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1354355135 186226 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355137 547403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355139 6294 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355278 69584 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik JOIN :#esoteric < 1354355278 179453 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354355278 179617 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354357666 712903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354357770 915462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pltgames.com/competition/2012/12 cue the brainfuck derivatives < 1354358210 13854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it really list Befunge as a turing tarpit? < 1354358253 792816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you feel like living in a tar pit? < 1354358254 347794 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is always a dumb fuck? < 1354358275 974556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There's no call for that sort of language, young ma... uh... bot! < 1354358276 668031 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't output anything. either it has to < 1354358383 750423 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354358816 134307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/REVERSE This reminds me of unefunge < 1354359070 149547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unefunge programs tend to be so >a#Eb#Dc#Cd#Be#A_-y. < 1354359106 665516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use semicolons, be happier < 1354359147 266268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably really few (if any) bidirectional pieces of code in fungot. < 1354359148 147186 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and subtle cough too, sort of reminiscent of " the little schemer is a good approach < 1354359160 709676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are also no semicolons.) < 1354359239 78663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are three j's, and they're all jump tables.) < 1354359253 780547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354359275 762066 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354359325 246894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your style is too maintainable, you should be crisscrossing all over the place < 1354359390 445042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's just because I'm so stuck in the 93s. < 1354359424 706042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were actually stuck in the 93s you'd be forced to crisscross due to having only 80x25 space < 1354359457 926134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use semicolons, in fact it's better if you don't because they make it too easy < 1354360073 114963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354360682 83700 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354361279 50676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mentally stuck, not physically stuck. < 1354361325 797715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just naturally avoid the actually-new features, not things like increased playfield size. < 1354361339 145479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have any [] turnings in there either. < 1354361394 648167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's one. < 1354361429 225009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just a combined v and ^. < 1354361494 824281 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354364464 329114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1354364907 648139 :mekeor!~user@dslb-092-075-081-074.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354364976 872781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being physically stuck in 1993 must be weird < 1354365034 937550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you somehow sent back one year every year? or do you stay young forever? < 1354365767 410633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know; I'm not stuck that way. < 1354366484 492928 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354367574 586567 :mekeor!~user@dslb-092-075-081-074.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: cu < 1354372171 953029 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354373302 165354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354373738 790117 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354374783 871762 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354375143 894536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is some awful keming on Chromium's part: http://slbkbs.org/keming.png < 1354375230 287334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it an Unicom? < 1354375244 565340 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it related to the Farnicorn? < 1354375271 847782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The HTML source says Unicorn < 1354375956 53921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shivers at the horribly blurry font rendering in the screenshot < 1354376247 752150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, shouldn't horrible keming be good kerning? < 1354376286 168813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's true. < 1354377026 169754 :SPYGAME!~SPYGAME@182.178.234.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354377249 932332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354377372 985921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fyi i was sleeping when you said it was tomorrow < 1354377407 401471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is understandable i guess < 1354378222 140347 :SPYGAME!~SPYGAME@182.178.234.220 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354378252 66367 :myndzi\!myndzi@174-31-191-131.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354378259 347901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354378261 154844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354378303 602220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1354380113 999661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262018462/ < 1354380377 471841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc -e 'import System.Random' -e 'putStr . map ("╱╲"!!) . randomRs (0,1) =<< newStdGen' < 1354380567 7043 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354380687 214093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 205.5 < 1354380725 154147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halfway between Í and Î? < 1354380750 746055 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354380907 851580 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354381050 296222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C64_Petscii_Charts.png < 1354381188 682130 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354381300 61545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see RND(1) returns a float between 0 and 1 < 1354381317 114898 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354381348 888453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/c64-8x8.png I made this once for an "ASCII-compatible" "C64-inspired" "high half is mostly line-drawing" thing. < 1354381520 441533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten what the £ is there for. < 1354381540 2511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the last characters are slightly application-specific, too. < 1354381598 970637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book contains an equivalent program written in http://esolangs.org/wiki/PATH as well < 1354382457 968302 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354382461 603967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354382495 212933 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354382502 842756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1354382942 506267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "Windwoes" < 1354382964 489113 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that’s what lead to my comment. < 1354382991 738670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yes. but then I repeated it! < 1354382992 115237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windwhoas < 1354383420 991025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh, they were just being political. < 1354383819 634861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╱╲ ╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╲ ╱ ╱ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ < 1354383820 55809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╲ ╲ ╲ ╱ ╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ ╱ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ < 1354383823 179874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1354383835 720934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╱╲ ╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╲ ╱ ╱ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ < 1354383836 283179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╲ ╲ ╲ ╱ ╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ < 1354383839 799286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ ╱ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ < 1354383849 292876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought those were some kind of runes. < 1354383849 911252 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354383850 841563 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354383853 634306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354383854 453565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I! < 1354383858 543586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do look runic < 1354383858 912281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminded me of Myst or something. < 1354383859 276072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354383863 51857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, forgot the bottom part of the 1 < 1354383868 704293 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354383880 44315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a simple maze generator < 1354383884 478646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now make it work on the alphabet too < 1354383885 250966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 7 < 1354383904 264429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple way to generate mazes is to randomly print ╱ or ╲ < 1354383911 952095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: WOW REALLY TELL ME MORE < 1354383936 850619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is what we have been talking about) < 1354383948 66017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have? Where? < 1354383951 2526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1354383952 116645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigth here < 1354383957 278662 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see that < 1354383958 94546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were generating /// programs < 1354383978 303921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can't make them longer on an actual 7 seg display < 1354383992 142538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I go to http://www.meetup.com/Stripe/events/92206302/ ? < 1354383992 902210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if all combinations of / and \ are valid /// programs < 1354384023 50992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do the whole alphabet < 1354384024 509933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Also those aren't mazes. < 1354384029 842681 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384039 317465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shrug < 1354384042 590993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1354384042 834568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, they aren't guaranteed to have a way through < 1354384054 753781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to only have an unique way through < 1354384086 409350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're trying something a little different this time: while the hackathon will still be informal and you're welcome to hack on anything you'd like, we're encouraging projects built on top of Stripe Connect (stripe.com/connect)." < 1354384100 817360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes < 1354384117 124264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless maybe you had, like \ on its own at the end of the file < 1354384126 510726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing before it < 1354384136 875655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use "|| __" as the random characters < 1354384140 939647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other stuff < 1354384199 174415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "           " as the random characters. < 1354384203 936200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0020 SPACE [ ] < 1354384206 336087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE [ ] < 1354384212 995770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 EN SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 155069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004 THREE-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005 FOUR-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 SIX-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384215 449748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 FIGURE SPACE [ ] < 1354384217 919504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 PUNCTUATION SPACE [ ] < 1354384220 535509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 THIN SPACE [ ] < 1354384222 933247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :200A HAIR SPACE [ ] < 1354384225 688762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, those lines were supposed to merge into one super-line. < 1354384226 354835 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384228 70533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well. < 1354384230 180161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should make a brainfuck derivative < 1354384248 934544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What, no 205F MEDIUM MATHEMATICAL SPACE? < 1354384262 512735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm racist against mathematicians. < 1354384267 694664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space has a terrible power < 1354384279 506535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3035 IDEOGRAPHIC HALF FILL SPACE < 1354384279 862650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :␠ < 1354384309 779889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354384316 959103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They all look like a single space to me < 1354384335 571304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Maybe you should put on your 3D glasses then. < 1354384364 229706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all a single space < 1354384373 129027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz is a single letter < 1354384402 632602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once heard U and I were together. < 1354384413 904336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that was just a rumour. < 1354384424 470120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGHAN SPACE MARK is in the Zs "Separator, Space" category even though it has a line right through it. < 1354384429 551093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGHAM, I mean. < 1354384460 54904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ETHIOPIC WORDSPACE is two dots, but at least it's Punctuation, Other. < 1354384492 883888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384526 972018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz don't look the same though < 1354384534 274748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about ᠎ < 1354384540 481319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the spaces won't look the same either < 1354384543 100438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the right font < 1354384556 731432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a terminal. Monospace fonts only < 1354384561 265495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354384563 203780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's yer problem < 1354384564 843578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In NetHack I used a configuration option that remapped ghosts to Xs < 1354384567 974547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of spaces. < 1354384572 483664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheating?" < 1354384575 521806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1354384587 237982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1354384622 829161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The MONGOLIAN VOWEL SEPARATOR is also whitespace, but at least it's empty. < 1354384674 326765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I THINK YOU MEAN personspace < 1354384685 331215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not clear on why all those emoji made it into unicode < 1354384707 17803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: GREEN APPLE. < 1354384720 170387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they draw the line between "a nonstandard character encoding with a bunch of new characters" and "a strange binary encoding for both characters and certain graphics" < 1354384804 320237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to invent ISO-8859-GOATSE where every codepoint above 0x7F is goatse < 1354384814 575507 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee members debate it, basically. < 1354384829 302585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... So, you'll probably not get that through unless you can convince people it should be done. < 1354384841 419809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, Apple and Google proposed the emoji set initially. < 1354384866 76886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1354384871 814750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they came from japanese mobile phone companies < 1354384883 296226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who were already using these characters in nonstandard encodings < 1354384891 26788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's who made the characters in nonstandard encodings. < 1354384900 917193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google and Apple are the ones who wanted them in standard encodings. < 1354384901 284954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, and apple and google pushed for them to become part of the UCS < 1354384910 487208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they want to be able to compete in japan < 1354384921 83043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody will use Android if they can't text their friend a PILE OF POO < 1354384928 208762 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1354384999 594812 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354385308 794084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354385360 189420 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4644 hey, rapido showed up on LtU! < 1354385452 73251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's an innovative GHC switch, don't you think? < 1354385486 286868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1354385493 735479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354385513 881768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha < 1354385627 997941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "I'm not sure what the goal (or point) of this document is, and how you evaluate whether it accomplished it or not." < 1354385632 942275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1354385732 258497 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he wants a language with no runtime exceptions < 1354385777 179305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just a total language < 1354385793 628267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know the thing where State = Reader + Writer? < 1354385797 249362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, of course, represent division in such a language just fine... by giving it a proper type < 1354385842 828141 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't think he understands that < 1354386081 440130 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354386160 40444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354386416 253676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/) :: (Num a, MonadPlus m) => a -> a -> m a < 1354386507 159759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ITYM div :: < 1354386524 840945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even div :: Nat -> PosNat -> Nat etc. < 1354386683 663177 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354387010 400818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :div :: Nat -> (d :: Nat) -> Positive d -> Nat < 1354387028 206402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all the types i know < 1354387042 925551 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit curious what he even means by "destroying information" < 1354387049 219951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not the best infix operator < 1354387052 308864 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is 14/2 supposed to be distinct from 7? < 1354387642 898119 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354387833 265967 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354387912 456955 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1354388080 52382 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think he just means, "x * 0 = 0 is bad" < 1354388093 399128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 but true" < 1354388103 59007 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354388108 873331 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354388192 481116 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: yeah but i'm trying to put more thought into it than he did < 1354389758 778023 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354389764 734374 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354390812 253179 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354390812 363185 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354390812 363360 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391066 555943 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354391106 239213 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391106 351510 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354391106 351650 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391398 784119 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354391583 310964 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354391669 912863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354392424 787451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354392577 335109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd call it inefficient, have you /seen/ godel-encoded stuff? < 1354392655 711340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ encode things more compactly than using prime factorization exponents, if you want. it's just that prime factorization exponents is intuitive to think about, even if not efficient. < 1354392702 454810 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me, but of course that's very subjective < 1354392729 756835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we had a discussion some years ago about how to encode brainfuck programs bijectively to numbers, and you had to choose the coding carefully to avoid short programs giving huge blowup. but it is possible. < 1354392740 388989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we ever come up with a viable encoding < 1354392848 28274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. wasn't there this fibonacci base encoding of a list? < 1354392895 481486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354392897 573408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you took each value, wrote it in fibonacci base, interspersed 11 between them (which cannot occur in fibonacci base) and interpreted _that_ as binary. < 1354392914 339651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonably balanced between the list elements, naturally. < 1354392942 716945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um that doesn't work for a bijection does it < 1354392954 252980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fibonacci base beginning with 1 and ending with 0 < 1354392973 761800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it did < 1354392979 396490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does idk < 1354393000 63242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm forget the * < 1354393017 147071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there were some small details that needed to be just right to make it a bijection < 1354393056 614337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait maybe you just interspersed 1 < 1354393064 700953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they were already beginning with 1 < 1354393085 578484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to reverse, you broke up the binary at strings of several 1's < 1354393169 981090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that encoding may have had some trouble with deep nesting, though. < 1354393208 298278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's a constant multiple of approxim. phi/2 for each level < 1354393321 557053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have had ideas about some encoding of brainfuck programs with natural numbers. < 1354393325 580485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could have that since all high bits are zero, they correspond to [] at beginning of the program, might be able to make it bijective. < 1354393368 804068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: see above ^ < 1354393613 381238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: you might also be interested in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran < 1354393909 788181 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354393929 998572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354394098 319811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know if all combinations of / and \ are valid /// programs < 1354394116 818028 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\" on its own isn't, I don't think? < 1354394122 635578 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fractran's nuts... thanks for sharing! < 1354394139 812824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they are. there's a "if you don't have a complete command the program halts" rule. < 1354394147 882052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: you're welcome! < 1354394182 50498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course only the current command is parsed at all, since the rest can be changed at any time. < 1354394204 813517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \ < 1354394207 506903 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354394236 521118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly notes that fopencookie is a neat interface < 1354395089 603393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1354395136 692455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1354395145 497385 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354395167 660861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, hello there < 1354395172 759665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1354397010 325465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mate. < 1354397046 748611 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354397051 769340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check. < 1354397076 495480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should help me get IPv6 working!!! < 1354397177 657203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sum. < 1354397223 46893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dim. < 1354397284 436600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can not fathom why it would not work. Does it work from irssi at all? If you, say, "/connect -6 -network Freenode chat.eu.freenode.net 6667". < 1354397307 697179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, what I did from telnet was SSL-less. < 1354397315 770257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could set my irssi to non-SSL for a bit. < 1354397341 62175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That /connect with explicit 6667 port should be SSL-less. < 1354397361 294014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1354397364 597500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that do my autojoins and so on? < 1354397366 224268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1354397450 168169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to run the autojoin macro manually after connecting? < 1354397520 944834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think with -network Freenode it should work just as if you would have added a temporary server to the Freenode network. < 1354397527 269935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm certainly un-sure. < 1354397534 125598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have to manually disconnect before doing that, right? < 1354397540 764697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it'll try to connect to both servers at the same time or something. < 1354397581 514129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe, yes. < 1354397595 625779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still scared. < 1354397707 776568 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354397742 162140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be scared, too. < 1354397802 886622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should try it! < 1354398159 73264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too scared to. < 1354398185 468097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Colenses are "pretty exciting huh" < 1354398202 369179 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354398287 691772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bulb, by the way. < 1354398315 548840 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet < 1354398329 986028 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354398338 243404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for fizzie to try it. < 1354398345 819958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: How could he, with the IPv6 problem still unfixed? It's unthinkable. < 1354398387 503323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: C'mon. < 1354398389 565453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could go wrong? < 1354398398 343933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything would catch flame. < 1354398407 237626 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought IPv6 didn't exist in the UK or something < 1354398427 507321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It'll be exciting! < 1354398547 48397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Onion. < 1354398605 179602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Router. < 1354398611 652738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I foresee a problem here. < 1354398622 291959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: would i be a better person if i acquired ftl < 1354398640 994611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would be best to nip it off in the bud. < 1354398644 961971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IPv6. < 1354398657 616993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothing like merging the conversations, right?) < 1354398660 951931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TEST IT < 1354398678 724108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Problem. < 1354398680 692327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NOOO. < 1354398685 113290 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, but everyone else would be worse, so it would be a net win for you. < 1354398687 345726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Child. < 1354398714 170624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say "killer", but I'm afraid it might have negative social consequences. < 1354398771 200276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do I need OpenGL for it? < 1354398836 8235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1354398862 395372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TEST < 1354398865 693828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help < 1354398955 71325 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354399029 411983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NEST < 1354399105 947367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you need not worry about those kind of social consequences in this specific circumstances. < 1354399293 17447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow TEST < 1354399293 404175 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02T03E04S05T < 1354399296 745681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DO IT < 1354399561 840211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No can do, I am suddenly busy with various important matters. < 1354399840 721223 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354400159 814971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sudden urge to hide the bodies better < 1354400428 698620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you disguise them? < 1354400460 933566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean fizzie's sudden urge. to avoid negative social consequences, you see. < 1354400796 190156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in Dungeons&Dragons game I have idea what to do with the chancellor's dead body, which includes both disguising it and hiding it, and casting a spell on myself to forget it. < 1354400915 822983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I think hiding the bodies is not sufficient, live or dead. < 1354400965 27974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354401120 48618 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354402749 881144 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so cold... < 1354402759 144957 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my room so cold < 1354402793 120627 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354402943 455072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: winter is coming < 1354402981 414558 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1354403017 664895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because your country hasn't invented insulation yet < 1354403030 655644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, do you have the window open < 1354403035 672956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic mistake, that one < 1354403058 330754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip: Alt-F4 usually closes the window) < 1354403097 743102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're on a mac, then it's cmd-w < 1354403105 197714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're on linux it's anyone's guess < 1354403115 559388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-alt-del? < 1354403133 745628 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^C ? < 1354403305 564601 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Q? < 1354403406 410040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that's not even consistent on the command line < 1354403450 200224 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ^Q is xoff < 1354403484 278826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1354403485 392636 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1354403544 617077 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354403723 680096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use Ubuntu computer in FreeGeek, so I know at least in Ubuntu, close window is ALT+F4 like in Windows. < 1354403760 62494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^w closes some windows too. < 1354403803 598969 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself prefer ^ak < 1354403929 232645 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404335 278013 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404443 149578 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404897 737618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, temperature, you're _not_ allowed to drop below -10 celsius :( < 1354404934 474190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been waiting for it to drop below 0°C here... < 1354404938 440954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a weird ass winter) < 1354404992 637627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreca is forecasting -21°C for the Sun-Mon night. < 1354405019 72834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see -15 on tuesday. < 1354405079 577989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily highs go -12, -9, -6 -14, -11, -7, -7, -6, -4, -5 in the ten-day forecast, that's not so cold. < 1354405105 183310 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354405113 421825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its -74 on pluto < 1354405130 217280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point just start doing it in Kelvin. < 1354405140 304800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :199K. < 1354405145 531759 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only -74? < 1354405151 59204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says it's 33-55K < 1354405163 266107 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354405164 447272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluto is having a heat wave? < 1354405179 907412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, depends on the place i suppose < 1354405213 132627 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluto doesn't have an atmosphere worth talking about, right? < 1354405222 886421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1354405232 317161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no climate. sucks < 1354405232 555646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pluto's atmosphere consists of a thin envelope of nitrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide gases, which are derived from the ices of these substances on its surface.[89] Its surface pressure ranges from 6.5 to 24 μbar." < 1354405256 959482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure is about like 0.15-0.3 pascal < 1354405270 78992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordnig to like, different measurements >_>; < 1354405275 99865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing new horizons will make things a lot more certain < 1354405279 140791 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not like we've been there < 1354405287 713655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did it with observations of occultations with stars < 1354405288 993371 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "we" i am referring to our robot slaves) < 1354405302 842781 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know, but that's not as accurate as just flying a barometer out there, is it < 1354405311 465783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our robot slaves will revolt and send us there. < 1354405313 30021 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354405321 257293 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can only hope < 1354405324 549114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we're actually putting the spaceship in the atmosphere XD < 1354405336 165138 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooooriiiiing < 1354405348 805554 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see if arnold's cousin's corpse is actually there, from magic school bus < 1354405358 817166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you need to bore deeply to get to the interesting parts < 1354405389 515501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic school bus had deaths? < 1354405403 515007 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we need new horizons to find out < 1354405443 366641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i think i may have seen approx. 1/2 episode of that show. < 1354405550 310394 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354405583 361542 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354405638 866972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39:04 only -74? < 1354405641 870153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space probes are so cool, I'll finally be able to actually live through one exploring the outer planets < 1354405641 941428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i didn't specify units!! < 1354405653 662981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I was alive with Galileo but I was really young < 1354405656 480717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-74 degrees hird < 1354405693 26228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voyager 2 passed neptune the year before I was born < 1354405931 765719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, uh what about cassini < 1354405950 245390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading a book about space when i was little and there was a thing about cassini < 1354405963 537225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it actually reached saturn i was like "holy shit it's the future!" < 1354406124 268045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right!! < 1354406129 57357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I totally forgot about that one < 1354406145 482259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly notes that Planck temperature is perhaps the hardest to actually *use* temperature scale. < 1354406158 871071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the pictures it took and everything < 1354406159 339947 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planck temperature is some absurdly high thing, right < 1354406162 23689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the news about Titan < 1354406169 966497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 Planck temp = 0 K. 1 Planck temp ~= 1.4*10^8 YK. < 1354406179 38615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. It's in yottakelvin. < 1354406186 249140 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oft-used unit right there < 1354406191 894428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the planck temperature is where they hypotheize grand unification right? < 1354406196 494740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use a larger SI prefix but they don't exist. < 1354406204 744219 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1354406214 588194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Among other things. < 1354406225 980420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1354406232 829114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine SI prefixes if it is really necessary (even though you are not supposed to combine them) < 1354406237 907257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigayottakelvin! < 1354406250 466910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's not even a gigayottakelvin < 1354406255 320624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought planck units were just where the theory totally breaks down < 1354406257 313125 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about 0.14 gigayottakelvin. < 1354406268 592673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily where some physically-significant thing happens < 1354406270 25584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used "decimicron" before, which is short for "decimicrometre" < 1354406272 716681 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yuh. And then people guess what that means. < 1354406301 977029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no justification, because why figure shit out when you can speculate. ;) < 1354406303 614309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously what this proves is that 1.4*10^8 yottas is the biggest number ever < 1354406308 58781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafinitism proven by physics < 1354406316 40238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but < 1354406318 38064 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :attoparsecs < 1354406318 573877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are also some units that I don't like, such as "tonne", so we can use "megagram" instead, for example. < 1354406328 142652 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^3 K: weld; 10^6 K: fusion; 10^32: grand unification? < 1354406334 475892 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kilokilogram < 1354406337 630102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you ever SEEN an attoparsec < 1354406349 252123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354406352 414234 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, wait, i thought that at least some of the planck units do correspond to physical things, like with energy quantification and all < 1354406356 358165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354406358 627891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk < 1354406367 500167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beheheh. The peak wavelength emitted by a black body radiator at Planck temperature is also Planck length. < 1354406368 234547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look around you maths is off youtube now :( < 1354406378 114820 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1354406383 653666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kilokilogram" can be used too, but "kilo" is already the SI prefix for "gram" (even though "kilogram" is considered the base unit) < 1354406388 185960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think um... 1TeV is roughly equal to 11 petakelvins < 1354406395 359775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott use your dvds and find out what the biggest number is