< 1355184010 889085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1355184025 609272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184025 765592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355184027 649446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​二 12月 11 00:00:26 UTC 2012 < 1355184027 831722 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW < 1355184029 150023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor................... < 1355184029 800178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355184030 967744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355184034 198708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1355184038 507691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1355184044 597947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1355184047 470566 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :välkommen Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355184051 153378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, guess I'll have to install the locale files for gcc! < 1355184054 823787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1355184075 39544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um should that first word be there? < 1355184082 987672 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me < 1355184084 407359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/välkommen < 1355184085 93331 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't add it < 1355184086 51322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :malformed < 1355184088 290830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355184170 77968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hates swedish, clearly < 1355184181 221190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --swedish 50 < 1355184183 290164 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355184185 429486 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mationel omspellet oordrin paschef byggorna vintränas avtalls duellt förmer systationat vidualera ten efter bakplatselet dånadegra skadespens omvänden örordnarna abordningar iakonia skockens munikat bedräggnit derna råddar < 1355184216 682752 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he's not in the best mood today < 1355184247 44109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm < 1355184252 958053 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which words < 1355184254 801744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/words < 1355184277 720536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, instead of trying UTF-8 or not, make it an option whether it is UTF-8 or whether it is single-byte encoding. < 1355184309 167232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184310 807070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184314 355479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355184316 739723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184319 674961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355184325 421713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1355184327 71793 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355184345 868444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should make a combined SE/NO/DK welcome, like they have in shampoo bottles and the like. < 1355184357 150981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355184388 364163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not. < 1355184426 181176 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184429 322514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Dec 11 00:07:08 UTC 2012 < 1355184432 130668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piff < 1355184434 486370 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355184439 205982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory \ LANG=fi.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_MO < 1355184447 51515 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear X-D < 1355184459 473686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fäncyssä < 1355184470 403316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why that didn't work. < 1355184490 215110 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. < 1355184491 175663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184492 967923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11.12.2012 00.08.12 +0000 < 1355184497 55111 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1355184504 608553 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the vast majority of the channel should be happy. < 1355184509 523940 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo fail > /fail < 1355184511 59851 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /fail: Lupa evätty < 1355184518 650124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti < 1355184521 646225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuesday starts with "ti" in finnish? < 1355184534 703848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Tiistai. < 1355184551 262821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE DID A LAZY BORROWING < 1355184557 317729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maanantai, tiistai, keskiviikko, torstai, perjantai, lauantai, sunnuntai. < 1355184578 839959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wed is literally "middleweek".) < 1355184585 696594 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in german, then < 1355184612 752442 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Praise be to Tyr's Day! < 1355184652 122238 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :päivämäärä < 1355184657 292576 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though personally I'm quite looking forward to Odin's Day. < 1355184662 654091 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only word i know in finnish < 1355184697 524976 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it was right this time < 1355184710 485635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google did not complain < 1355184716 796010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls q < 1355184717 700236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Freyja's day personally < 1355184717 953336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: tiedostoa q ei voi käsitellä: Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole < 1355184728 693457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this locale. < 1355184742 40306 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It is a good day. < 1355184759 737533 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how to ask a girl for a 'date' < 1355184779 456016 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it seems that's not the actual etymology of friday < 1355184788 432172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've been taught that it is at one point < 1355184825 725780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually Frigg. < 1355184863 842323 :micahjoh1ston!~micahjohn@ell.io NICK :micahjohnston < 1355184878 614428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some argue that Frigg and Freyja might be the same goddess < 1355185087 87543 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to a german source frigg was the wife of odin.. not the same as freyja.. though both are associated with marriage < 1355185151 948343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does the combined SE/NO/DK text work? < 1355185210 977501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-heartedly, usually < 1355185469 665891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355185530 624618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185560 748974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185564 510119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185565 842221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by vectron's beard! < 1355185570 928595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej/Hei och/og välkommen/velkommen till/til den/det internationella/internasjonale/internationale knutpunkten/knutepunktet/knudepunkt för/for design och/og distribution/distribusjon av esoteriska/esoteriske programspråk/programmeringsspråk/programmeringssprog! För/for mer information/informasjon, se vår/vores wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För/for den andra/andre/anden sortens/typen/sort esoterism/esoterisme, pröva/prøv #esoteric < 1355185592 381393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, yeah < 1355185596 523733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(danish may contain errors) < 1355185640 557908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : på irc.dal.net.) < 1355185643 607376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those triplets are so close, why bother? < 1355185660 362770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely! sometimes they don't. < 1355185660 776251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all just English with a funny accent, why bother? < 1355185675 933825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like reading NO if you know SE should be no harder than reading EN youtube comments if you know non-idiot EN < 1355185679 254878 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mostly because they are so close ;) < 1355185699 815899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just take the coolest looking word from each triplet < 1355185711 91741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any amusing false cognates between these languages? < 1355185714 963838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're just not watching the right videos. < 1355185729 96110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it seems they bother with och/og but not when it comes to long words. < 1355185779 320922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no:pule = en:fuck, sv:pula = en: er, does anyone know a word for that... < 1355185793 653990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dit hår er skadet og slidt/slitt/slitet", starts this "DK/N/S" shampoo bottle. < 1355185820 239500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Dit" is wrong for norwegian :P < 1355185831 722630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"og" is wrong for swedish. < 1355185851 931527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"er" also wrong for swedish, i think < 1355185855 27078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Det har mistet/förlorat sit naturlige cement, som giver/ger håret styrke og smidighed." < 1355185864 154121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's all kind of lazy. < 1355185900 483848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hårets overflade/yta bliver glat/slät og glansfuld." < 1355185949 282193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should print one language in red and the other in blue and then everyone in school gets a bit of cellophane of the appropriate color < 1355185961 748039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fordel shampooen i fugtigt hår, massér/massera, og skyl ud/skölj ur." < 1355185972 900828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also NO and DK are closer to read than SE, usually. while DK is far away in pronunciation... < 1355186008 197735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: reading NO is probably easier tahn reading three languages intertwined < 1355186017 491478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :than* < 1355186023 444442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355186028 204800 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it symptomatic for similar cultures (neighbours devided by some historical reasons for example) that they often look for its own identity by cultivating these small differences? dunno, but these phenomena are found not only on national but almost every level .. < 1355186060 294075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't norwegian actually two languages < 1355186086 357926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: see: serbian, bosnian and croation, which afaiu are even closer than the scandinavian languages < 1355186094 44391 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regions, districts,..yes.. even lovers shit < 1355186095 266413 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's two written forms but only one spoken? < 1355186097 807424 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1355186099 10265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1355186105 712369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1355186118 678819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serbo-Croatian is the only European language with active digraphia, using both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets. The Bosnian and Serbian varieties use both alphabets while the Croatian variety uses only the Latin alphabet" < 1355186122 708798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuppppp < 1355186122 783204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no one bothers with including nynorsk in these multiple translations :P < 1355186141 440201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynorsk is the one that's closer to old norse, right? < 1355186158 611614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly closer, perhaps. < 1355186176 606415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.e-allmoney.com/coins/eur/img/1bos2YAcnbra00.gif < 1355186232 963243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 convertible mark coin < 1355186308 224983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hei og velkomne til det internasjonale knutepunktet for design og distribusjon av esoteriske programmeringsspråk! For meir informasjon, sjå wikien vår: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For den andre sorten esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355186338 476821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bosna i hercegovina / босна и херцеговина < 1355186374 991103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may now play "spot the difference") < 1355186427 199488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Keskustelu käyttäen Itä-Euroopan kieliä. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355186431 266161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you there _could_ be errors, nynorsk isn't my main writing form) < 1355186468 899297 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I couldn't tell it from bokmål I think :p < 1355186480 812275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were, i would probably use a bit other words for flavor < 1355186732 279434 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1355186732 854776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1355186818 795889 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355186834 722479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there's two written forms but only one spoken? <-- the spoken situation is far more complicated, as dialects are generally _more_ prestigious than a pronunciation normalized to either writing form. afaict, even the television presenters no longer always normalize. < 1355186841 217955 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355186841 290534 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355186841 290663 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355186860 431664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not fully. < 1355186869 101630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that sounds tricky < 1355186879 439150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not really an "official" pronunciation, iirc < 1355186930 263760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nynorsk movement had this slogan "Speak dialect, write nynorsk" of which the norwegian people took only the first part :P < 1355187003 32603 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355187027 10535 :Guest59403!~orlando@190.78.242.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355187044 727832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t IM.mapWithKey < 1355187046 83635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IM.Key -> a -> b) -> IM.IntMap a -> IM.IntMap b < 1355187097 170208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting < 1355187103 444804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages take that to an extreme < 1355187114 269509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like chinese and arabic < 1355187126 802935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if chinese even counts as one language) < 1355187149 417811 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic doesn't count as one language either, i don't think < 1355187175 303516 :Guest59403!~orlando@190.78.242.240 QUIT :Client Quit < 1355187192 620542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "modern standard arabic", which is probably not the local language anywhere? < 1355187255 296134 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in china there was basically mandarin and.. i forgot the second one < 1355187259 118090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that in both cases, there is a mutually intelligible sub-language which people can use but is not the default anywhere < 1355187266 305302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in chinese it's only a written language and not spoken < 1355187266 378676 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's cantonese and wu and a few others < 1355187269 901350 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, there's a word for it < 1355187272 987868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shoppers at a furniture store in Toronto, Canada, were shocked to find a monkey dressed in a sheepskin jacket on the loose in the car park." < 1355187279 483490 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht pattern, i mean < 1355187299 350968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if you all saw http://idlewords.com/2011/08/why_arabic_is_terrific.htm < 1355187300 874944 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 'diglossia' < 1355187309 764093 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also mentions norwegian, gosh. < 1355187364 698350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, the arabic on that page no longer renders correctly for me :( < 1355187428 51234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like double UTF8 encoding :( :( :( < 1355187457 271257 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE UTF-8 ALL ACROSS THE SKYYYY < 1355187479 744813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you screw up character encodings, god kills a japanese kitten < 1355187545 57204 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355187546 189367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="fi_FI < 1355187560 708518 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welly welly well < 1355187627 593448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must report bug < 1355187725 409168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Gregor is killing kittens right now then < 1355188704 80512 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MESSAGES=fi_FI.UTF-8 is great. “Esiräätälöidään paketteja” < 1355188710 708224 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1355188741 426999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad some of the people won’t understand just how horrible that translation of “preconfiguring packages” is. < 1355188760 504028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish translations of UIs tend to be abhorrent. < 1355188770 487605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be horrible when it contains five ä's? < 1355188791 482974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you say the meaning of that phrase is in english? < 1355188807 134886 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost impossible to unify the layout isn't it? < 1355188852 263864 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :experienced the same problem while trying to create unified reports for 16 languages < 1355188859 162092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Pretailoring packages” would be the direct translation, but that loses the badness of the phrase in Finnish again. < 1355189170 241378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :codepage 1252 strikes again! < 1355189170 815063 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still wonder how finnish could develop in such a uniqe way.. are they any natural borders to the neighbours? oceans? mountains? trolls? < 1355189223 739272 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be a simpler explanation < 1355189255 761879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo مكتبة | iconv -f cp1252 < 1355189256 127265 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must admit i do not know much about the finnish history < 1355189280 168432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of related to hungarian and estonian right < 1355189286 84801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungarian is crazier though < 1355189312 401057 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189316 200987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just seeing it next to swedish everywhere, but finnish seems to be closer to its neighbors < 1355189346 919127 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1355189360 646481 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to read more on this < 1355189362 193221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my unscientific opinion yes < 1355189406 226293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is a germanic language, so not entirely alien to me as an english speaker < 1355189416 342136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the finnish words on signs seemed to be reasonably close to the swedish words much of the time < 1355189430 654656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in hungary it seemed as though somebody has written total gibberish on everything < 1355189452 71516 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hungarian and Finnish have split a very long time ago, there’s nothing recognizable in the other to a novice that knows one of them. OTOH, Estonian sounds very similar to Finnish (although you generally can’t understand the words). < 1355189531 528340 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, studying the history would be a good point to start i guess < 1355189554 791269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wipes the blood from his hands.
< 1355189561 52671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I'm done killing kittens, let's fix this shit. < 1355189579 789602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355189580 998735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="fi_FI < 1355189584 946340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YO A REASONABLE LOCALE PLZ < 1355189619 338650 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I chose a locale appropriate to the majority of the channel, what's the issue? < 1355189624 24956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355189646 513368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei issuaa < 1355189651 287150 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189668 529602 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355189670 115378 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11.12.2012 01.34.29 +0000 < 1355189700 782802 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189732 298350 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%c < 1355189733 749936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11. joulukuuta 2012 01.35.33 < 1355189815 493064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ elliott < 1355189817 876610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＥＬＬＩＯＴＴ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡ < 1355189923 51757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355189924 660524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Dec 11 01:38:44 UTC 2012 < 1355189928 681178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST to make you stop complaining. < 1355189961 812984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Um... < 1355189965 68003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not going to stop complaining < 1355189975 491162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+about that < 1355190127 829820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: should I optimise UMLBox < 1355190139 108481 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably? < 1355190144 328584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a user accomplishes a root escalation from within a UMLBox jail, they escalate only to the privileges of the user who ran umlbox, not true root." < 1355190152 12329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea that this would stop someone who *already has a root escalation exploit* < 1355190159 281974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, you could have setuid programs inside the jail) < 1355190167 826801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it depends on how the exploit is done. < 1355190181 360609 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're different versions of Linux, or depend on being able to modify something they can't on the host, or... < 1355190197 867439 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's lots of reasons why an exploit might not work. < 1355190207 783704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How fast is the mudem stuff < 1355190224 522067 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow but irrelevant, HackEgo isn't using it. < 1355190231 736294 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355190247 623956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it isn't? < 1355190252 481273 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1355190255 884191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it exist then < 1355190263 824222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the luls? < 1355190281 954378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a "feature" of plash I felt obligated to replicate. < 1355190286 562832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really succeeded though. < 1355190294 803604 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355190313 612892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's even for < 1355190317 670950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, X forwarding? < 1355190321 116837 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1355190326 680910 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And TCP forwarding if you'd like. < 1355190347 932767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work for X < 1355190357 705600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did last time I tested it *shrugs* < 1355190446 312611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey couldn't you profile this stuff using the oprofile stuff < 1355190452 761295 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Keskustelu käyttäen Itä-Euroopan kieliä. | Kanavan otsikko mainitsee Hitlerin ilman erityistä syytä. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355190525 244008 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... < 1355190528 427891 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355190537 770167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that google perftools just barfs all over the place :) < 1355190645 438352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oprofile is fancy and kernel-level < 1355190649 190382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works though < 1355190659 42139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you reduced the nice to something less than -n10, would that help at all < 1355190662 973173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be sort of bad < 1355190723 672201 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I have other shit running at some other nice level. < 1355190825 287567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1355190830 101493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355190830 699864 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190830.35 < 1355190831 422003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190831.01 < 1355190831 546763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190831.19 < 1355190831 758345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355190837 925463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg status is almost instantaneous. < 1355190843 412289 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox takes almost a second. < 1355190845 107595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice "profiling" < 1355190845 341590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1355190848 193516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355190866 13508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think UMLBox is pretty inherently slow < 1355190884 149820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if you did a trick to keep the same UMLBox running as long as hg status says nothing has changed? < 1355190888 214701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be semantically equivalent < 1355190912 458449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice theory, but the whole stack is just SO not configured to do that >_> < 1355190925 776818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound that hard < 1355190929 586542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UMLBox forwards stdin, right? < 1355190941 602893 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh. < 1355190971 686441 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course then there's an issue of "how much of this output is my output" < 1355190972 699449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just need to run while read; do timelimit ...; done < 1355190973 893202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1355190991 400211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have it forward an extra fd that you just echo "done" to or such < 1355190994 149304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1355190995 920017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the problem < 1355191009 931080 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send a command, it has no output. How do I know when it's done? < 1355191021 67268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send a command, it has 30MB of output. How do I know when it's done? < 1355191048 494788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you need to echo "done" to another channel... in fact you can just use stderr, assuming UMLBox forwards that separately < 1355191052 839313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 2>&1 the commands themselves) < 1355191059 783036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echoing to another channel is a terrible idea. < 1355191064 903535 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronicity problems. < 1355191084 258320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK: buffer the output inside the loop, once all the output is written, write the length of the output to the additional channel. < 1355191098 415183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reading code sends the stuff to run, reads a length from the side-channel, reads those bytes. < 1355191110 92015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355191112 138503 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff < 1355191132 850652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever a write happens, you kill the whole thing and run stuff separately < 1355191134 356893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like normal < 1355191177 72060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that this means that if you run two writers and a reader at once, the reader may experience inconsistent state (because the two overwriters overwrite each other)) < 1355191196 252612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd have to make sure the reader's output isn't sent before rerunning stuff, but that's just basic transactionality anyway) < 1355191204 76015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds easier than rearchitecturing anything at least < 1355191209 121495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/anything/everything/ < 1355191214 843395 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rearchitecting X-D < 1355191229 332565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably less so than whatever you were thinking of :P < 1355191233 124470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be super-mega-fast, anyway < 1355191240 705767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug reported < 1355191247 558605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug < 1355191314 999201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad character encoding on http://idlewords.com/2011/08/why_arabic_is_terrific.htm < 1355191340 941842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take UTF-8 and interpret each byte as a character in Windows-1252 and then encode to UTF-8 again and that's what you get < 1355191351 320623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that rerunning commands is probably a waste of time more often than not. I could send the original output eagerly, then resend iff it's different. < 1355191367 470466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1355191368 298666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you fuck up like that? < 1355191377 121648 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That waiting for output from rerunning is a waste of time. < 1355191384 707746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be completely awful < 1355191384 785629 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme put it differently: I should output before even checking. < 1355191403 352275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! < 1355191407 301449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about go for the 90% speed increase you get from not rerunning UMLBox and forget about an abomination like that :P < 1355191414 978464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355191433 218907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll write it to not rerun UMLBox if I can get HackEgo working here < 1355191450 257819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At this point it should be near-trivial to get HackEgo running... < 1355191458 51574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what you said last time too < 1355191471 548417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk me through it :P < 1355191488 991212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build multibot, install socat, edit runner.sh to your needs, ./runner.sh < 1355191539 104250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot at least one step < 1355191541 458420 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! THERE ARE BACKLOG IN PLOF CHANNEL GO GO GO ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! < 1355191565 117122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's going wrong? < 1355191567 899501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or did glogbot's channel list shrink < 1355191578 227460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you finish your "script" < 1355191579 917316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you already have umlbox? < 1355191582 223533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't try, just you forgot "Get UMLBox working" for one < 1355191602 482903 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355191631 708133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting UMLBox working: Check out, extract Linux to a subdir, if your Linux version is different then the one in Makefile then change it or provide it as a make argument, make and make install. < 1355191635 789243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yaru nn sìȳa 'te! tèmo, kotae musùkasii no. < 1355191669 95495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should have some script to automate checking out and compiling everything :P < 1355191672 344045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355191690 990574 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355191691 103548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355191692 493906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably by opening it in an editor which is configured to auto-detect encoding but save as utf-8 < 1355191696 166418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which auto detects wrongly < 1355191697 429387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HackBot isn't really designed to be rerun ;) < 1355191702 883201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1355191709 20534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of this as something that happens on windows ;P < 1355191709 866983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "At this point it should be near-trivial to get HackEgo running..." :P < 1355191716 673396 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Implementing auto-detect like that takes some real doing. < 1355191722 502793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've seen that post before with its encoding not messed up. < 1355191724 126988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, it has THREE dependencies. < 1355191729 235239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, me too < 1355191734 640654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all three of them are listed in its description! < 1355191738 536772 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the easy way to detect UTF-8 is to check if it's valid UTF-8. < 1355191742 897966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also you forgot the part where I replicate HackEgo's filesystem to have test scripts. < 1355191746 539112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's valid, it is UTF-8. < 1355191746 868385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he probably made a minor edit and screwed it up accidentally < 1355191750 866161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or moved to a new blog system or something < 1355191753 569183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1355191757 617217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a lot of those things are true of Hebrew. < 1355191763 354179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you need it? < 1355191768 159322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even "echo hi" should be sufficient. < 1355191775 187274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not surprising < 1355191778 576875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, because I need to test behaviour with writes and stuff and the quote system makes that e-z < 1355191786 328084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic alphabet is cooler though < 1355191787 79475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1355191794 179604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Given that the two languages are in the same language family, makes a lot of sense. < 1355191794 336198 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : If it's valid, it is UTF-8. // Technically, there is some insanely small possibility that this is false. < 1355191804 615269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. < 1355191808 900244 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but that's the proper heuristic. < 1355191849 529016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure, but you might as well write Farsi instead. < 1355191858 272905 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355191859 509848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I WILL < 1355191867 722346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write english in arabic script < 1355191882 948595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And if you somehow find a long string in the wild that's valid UTF-8 *and* not meant to be, I'll buy you a hat or something. :P < 1355191894 933479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao'erjing < 1355191924 166919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I can write English in kanji and a self-made script, I suppose you can do English in Arabic. < 1355191942 32441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like this irritating fucking "click the repo URL to copy it" thing that DOESN'T LET ME MIDDLE-CLICK-PASTE THE RESULT < 1355191947 681105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is terrible < 1355191960 968541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dahell? < 1355191970 929802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/overview < 1355191987 725185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some places in western china where you can see latin, arabic, cyrillic, han, and mongolian characters on signs < 1355191991 676886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some places in new york city < 1355191993 264397 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not an auto-copy thing? < 1355191996 930309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a text box? < 1355192005 896980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1355192011 527211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try clicking it (make sure you have JS on I guess) < 1355192017 960797 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have JS on. < 1355192021 734100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I have JS on X-D < 1355192026 674273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1355192030 45236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is definitely something weird < 1355192040 200454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your face *shrugs* < 1355192122 230420 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355192148 570118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup: YOU'RE DRUNK, GO HOME < 1355192164 919117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where do I put multibot < 1355192173 418596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right in the repo. < 1355192178 10941 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next to runner.sh < 1355192182 695760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /ubda < 1355192183 970258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /ubda: No such file or directory < 1355192201 791416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do I wipe its multibot_cmds? < 1355192203 174198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard a rumor you were a fan of acid-state. < 1355192205 216124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or keep them? < 1355192217 821453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just take the binary. < 1355192249 175484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how there's no Makefile. < 1355192258 767506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. by like I mean hate < 1355192262 466325 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makefiles are for pussies. < 1355192269 145883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -O3 -levent multibot.c -o multibot < 1355192281 674835 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355192289 563360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355192350 180150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it really need libevent and yet still uses socat for networking < 1355192363 734936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't possibly articulate how much this code disgusts me < 1355192364 976246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :libevent... is not a networking library? < 1355192373 244765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it was < 1355192394 631689 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses socat to avoid all the buildup/teardown bullshit of BSD sockets, so it's just stdin/stdout. Otherwise it's equivalent. < 1355192445 998654 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355192454 422145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, I have a newer kernel than umlbox < 1355192479 825019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1355192483 80021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean I have to download my own < 1355192679 987287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help < 1355192702 30283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, it has to build a UML kernel, yes... < 1355192708 147324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or if your distro has one, you can use that. < 1355192719 269771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192721 247632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :543) in the past few minutes I tried remembering what my dream last night was, but instead remembered I didn't sleep < 1355192728 883073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 195286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 429811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 918166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192730 477659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :288) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder < 1355192730 945669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :70) My mascot is a tree of broccoli. < 1355192731 285767 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :85) it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone < 1355192731 520755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :44) oklofok: I'm a tad over-apologetic. I apologize. < 1355192762 110231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :44/85/70? < 1355192793 902795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well you said something about tweaking the version numbers < 1355192797 155324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf....etiqute < 1355192817 268447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eti`quote????? < 1355192823 145250 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1355192832 104555 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You don't need to use the version specified by the Makefile, you can use whatever version you please < 1355192836 527189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192836 892327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192837 618163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192837 696259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355192837 769085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355192838 189910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :582) never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg < 1355192838 394019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :616) Somehow I managed to read Haskell as Befunge < 1355192839 210063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :58) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1355192841 878627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1355192843 36 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But you do have to actually fetch the source, since, y'know, you're building it. < 1355192847 41067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you stop < 1355192849 56770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a mosh bug or what? < 1355192906 818013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well I just meant you said "if your Linux version is different then the one in Makefile then change it or provide it as a make argument < 1355192909 795579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1355192916 495846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I do need the versions to match? < 1355192922 279535 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355192923 731765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I'm totally happy with whatever it uses my default < 1355192980 438110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing!! < 1355192981 627922 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One way or another you have to download a Linux kernel and extract it. < 1355192986 317393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do it itself because I'm lazy. < 1355192988 951528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the makefile do that automatically < 1355192991 840663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that being a thing < 1355193014 178536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like me to make that a thing X_X < 1355193018 364878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1355193018 748716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1355193025 884330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if the versions have to match < 1355193028 73694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my kernel is patched < 1355193030 895380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need the same patches......... < 1355193039 975111 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version does not have to match anything. < 1355193046 271378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a clean Linux. < 1355193063 555813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1355193065 117417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only version matching there is is that the Makefile has a variable to know what directory to descend into. < 1355193222 367798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a mosh bug? < 1355193248 430875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those [As came from pressing up-arrow-enter quickly. < 1355193282 32126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f[Ancy < 1355193286 951891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a known interaction with irssi paste detection < 1355193303 891778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you send irssi a bunch of control codes at once, it assumes they are pasted and sends them to the channel as is < 1355193332 422046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1355193341 527152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh. is that why it does that when there's a big internet lag after I press backspace a lot? < 1355193344 297523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the reason I can only get tabs into the irssi buffer by pasting. < 1355193360 959074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ends up packet-lossing a lot, so it sends all of them at once, and instead of backspacing I get a bunch of control codes < 1355193364 792609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355193367 948081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. < 1355193370 732890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm... < 1355193378 535795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed that when being on horridly lossy networks and not using local-edit mode < 1355193415 898092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :local-edit mode? < 1355193437 638384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying there is actually a way to get reasonable local line editing with modern networking stuff < 1355193448 747361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, putty has a local edit mode < 1355193453 582805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basicaly just sends a command when you hit enter < 1355193461 471164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1355193466 234363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it actually do proper line editing < 1355193469 852295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh does local line editing < 1355193471 858100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that great and it kinda gets icky when you have a line longer than 80 chars < 1355193474 100792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the main features over ssh < 1355193476 324510 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's workable I guess < 1355193483 664325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'd guess mosh is a lot better >_< < 1355193487 239660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does mosh have a locale edit mode < 1355193487 575148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially at interacting with irssi and things < 1355193504 55135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh does get feedback from the server < 1355193521 906379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it can distinguish "nothing was echoed within 50 ms" from "your network connection dropped for 50 ms" < 1355193528 146104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well mosh's local line editing is kind of bad < 1355193530 668255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a packet is sent for the former < 1355193532 202073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in I wouldn't want to use it exclusively < 1355193550 787317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know the thing where mosh jumps from "last contact: 13 seconds" to "last response: 50 seconds" or something like that? < 1355193554 377222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355193554 455118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the other way around. < 1355193554 637699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh come on, Linux doesn't compile < 1355193560 241994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1355193572 401796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess quassel might work even better at this just for irc < 1355193588 444976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess from Fiora's description of PuTTY's thing, it probably does not work in, say, vim < 1355193611 562603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you want line editing and then you hit Esc and now you want immediate feedback of your keystrokes < 1355193637 277247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it basically just doesn't send your chars until you hit enter, then it sends them all. but maybe it works with things other than enter too < 1355193646 404622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355193654 498123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh always sends them right away, but predicts a local echo in some situations < 1355193662 810086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also predicts the effects of left-arrow and right arrow and backspace < 1355193670 476054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know much about it < 1355193691 294085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mosh should predict ctrl+ too < 1355193692 152216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tab < 1355193696 736888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ctrl+w < 1355193697 824233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1355193710 827646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+? < 1355193713 624283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even do? < 1355193735 987370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :move by word in irssi < 1355193737 502199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1355193744 310746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355193747 837229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh and ^K and ^U too < 1355193752 601748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what tab would do other than complete nicks >_< < 1355193755 877774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-f and M-b, elliott. < 1355193765 906026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have asked for ^U < 1355193769 944866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Tab does lots of other things! < 1355193770 22493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B^U < 1355193777 187652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh cool! I didn't know about ctrl-w < 1355193780 54790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useful < 1355193792 555941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete channels, complete arguments to commands... < 1355193796 983103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using Ctrl+W in non-terminal programs and it closes my windows. < 1355193803 237964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ditto < 1355193807 237624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tab should complete nicks, yes. < 1355193808 463289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone does that. < 1355193829 301562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ctrl-w closes tabs in chrome too < 1355193840 920599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the topic in Finnish? < 1355193876 682574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you seriously not know that < 1355193883 353666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how have you been closing tabs..... < 1355193887 627665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by clicking the x < 1355193889 195921 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1355193892 948980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good with keyboard shortcuts < 1355193900 200670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :hi | http://соdu.оrg/lоgs/_еsоtеriс/ < 1355193902 845599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another tip: middle-clicking anywhere on a tab closes it too < 1355193914 22413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere in the window, or on the tab itself? < 1355193917 787462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the tab itself < 1355193920 989422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it out! < 1355193921 420357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, I know that one < 1355193932 655776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :third tip: middle-clicking links opens them in a new tab??? :P < 1355193933 227693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can find out keyboard shortcuts in Chrome by clicking. < 1355193938 482961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that one XDD < 1355193949 656359 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another tip: middle-clicking elliott turns it into a shachaf < 1355193951 183598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I right click links to open them in a new tab. < 1355193961 132446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"helpful chrome tip click links to open them" < 1355193970 346250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double right click opens a link in a new tab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1355193993 379060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I open links to a new tab by middle-clicking if i’m using the mouse. < 1355194003 974120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Remember the time when middle clicking on a page in Firefox/Mozilla would go to the URL in PRIMARY? < 1355194010 992153 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1355194011 328586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a middle button! < 1355194021 241336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194025 710673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a left button and a right button and sometimes I press them together. < 1355194027 484520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop violating freenode guidelines by messing up the log url thx < 1355194029 937677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :random annoying thing: URLs that use javascript to open a new window, so when I middle-click them, it opens an empty tab < 1355194033 484219 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A.k.a. the middle button < 1355194048 465432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Except a crumb or something got into my left button so now it's awkward to press. < 1355194050 219159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: sometimes those even open said link in the tab you middle-clicked from < 1355194089 933801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact." < 1355194104 303378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes! < 1355194127 950375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help me already < 1355194130 798455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gcc can't compile the kernel < 1355194138 446482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when that happens you need to just pound that key repeatedly until the crumb turns into dust < 1355194139 229446 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's going on? < 1355194142 350017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifehacker pro tip ^^^^ < 1355194145 737179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What distro are you distriing? < 1355194152 903160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch < 1355194158 22408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC arch/um/os-Linux/signal.o < 1355194158 190043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:18:8: error: conflicting types for ‘sig_info’ < 1355194158 262917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:12:0: < 1355194158 263087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/linux-3.6.10/arch/um/include/shared/as-layout.h:64:15: note: previous declaration of ‘sig_info’ was here < 1355194159 634772 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a UML package? < 1355194161 77196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:19:2: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] < 1355194162 144725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's sticky or something. < 1355194164 156102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[crap repetition] < 1355194168 282058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It only happens occasionally now. < 1355194174 364488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of Linux? < 1355194174 469036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have something to do with temperature, I don't know. < 1355194180 637702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lemme check, google turns up https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/23/731 though < 1355194181 885215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more concerned with my lack of → and End keys! < 1355194186 534437 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: Browsers suck at that. All clicks should run the click event, the default one or not, and any resulting page loads should happen in the present tab or a new one based on which button was used originally. < 1355194192 248237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: happens with building both 3.6.6 and 3.6.10 < 1355194201 824047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's < 1355194202 247918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :community/uml_utilities 20070815-5 User Mode Linux Utilities < 1355194203 979990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the repos < 1355194207 29308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it as far as "uml" goes < 1355194213 221482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then you're fucked 8-D < 1355194216 887617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ion. < 1355194218 461940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oion. < 1355194225 946047 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ochaf < 1355194236 911672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.uml.devel/13702 too < 1355194246 839335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you said this would be trivial :( < 1355194255 783742 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's supposed to be! < 1355194256 707454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth < 1355194259 413685 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But building UML ain't my job. < 1355194264 446511 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: is that something that's defined by the html specs and stuff so the browser has no choice? < 1355194273 777930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't/ < 1355194278 863301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194280 585062 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: no < 1355194283 217150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355194303 113131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I ate too much, I'm feeling all *urp* ciretose | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194314 188385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's a linux-usermode AUR package apparently, maybe that works < 1355194339 724562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it < 1355194348 789485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should give me an SSH account on codu or something :P < 1355194353 881805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed the guidelines said "reflect that fact" < 1355194356 195101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell < 1355194368 889377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh should be renamed to sssh < 1355194371 104622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super secure shell < 1355194375 96127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would cast aside all doubts right < 1355194386 478787 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɔᴉɹǝʇosǝ‾/sᵷol/ᵷɹo˙npoɔ//:dʇʇɥ < 1355194417 201272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you suggesting I am not the most trustworthy person ever < 1355194419 485871 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: “Enterprise SSH” < 1355194422 896616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :this channel is logged. don't say anything incriminating. < 1355194430 757408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194439 638577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :y'all tryin' to criminate me! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194448 658942 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suggesting that it is really, truly not that difficult to get hackbot working. < 1355194459 924435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I can't install UML. < 1355194462 602475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's literally impossible. < 1355194505 997546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 3.7-rc8 will work < 1355194716 788820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://static.flickr.com/79/221038665_de70857eb3.jpg < 1355194758 58986 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355194828 761890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did gregor start saying dahell all the time < 1355194833 515103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weirdo < 1355194840 732564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome WeThePeople < 1355194842 290978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355194844 562957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.coolstuffexpress.com/store/i/is.aspx?path=/Shared/IMAGES/DCI/pizza_tasty_key_topper.jpg&lr=t&bw=600&w=600&bh=600&h=600 < 1355194866 435015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, Gregor is awesomelord < 1355194869 799557 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate gregorian < 1355194894 889834 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its false < 1355194899 771338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm parsing that as "I hate in a Gregorian fashion". < 1355194930 831716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't help to me then interpret the sentence, but it is funny. < 1355194944 505499 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorian calender < 1355194950 770465 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355194950 926243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's false about it? < 1355194959 717922 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1355194974 766270 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its based on catholicism < 1355195000 704125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: i think you are in the wrong channel < 1355195011 854769 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how it is *based on* Catholicism, nor how that would make it inherently false. < 1355195015 358661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that. < 1355195028 169982 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im not < 1355195039 378266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, this was an actual thing? < 1355195041 933888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: are you sure you read the welcome message < 1355195044 981625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however "gregor is weird or gregorian calendar is true" is definitely true < 1355195058 514315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeha it's the iOpener keyboard < 1355195083 988004 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355195097 879825 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming < 1355195098 131869 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indeed, it's actually a slight modification of the Julian calendar, which was itself a modification of the traditional Roman calendar. Its origins waaay predate Catholicism, and indeed predates the claimed birth of Jesus.) < 1355195106 79140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yee-ha! < 1355195108 641004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google maps shows a 1.3km wide shaded stripe stretching from monterey bay down to the salton sea < 1355195116 344895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about the i-opener. < 1355195119 973971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know a bit now. < 1355195153 90835 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: The only difference between the Gregorian calendar and the Julian is the leap year rule. And the Julian calendar predates Christianity. So... < 1355195166 368242 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355195202 572136 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355195244 461230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously google is planning to dig a huge and pointless canal < 1355195244 888636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know WeThePeople made sure they were as uninformed as possible about the gregorian calendar before starting to hate it < 1355195267 942660 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355195376 854076 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355195400 372059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote gwern < 1355195400 770138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern says: there are no beginnings or ends to the circular list; but a cons cell thunked in Amador... < 1355195425 589860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern just pinged out on me < 1355195469 490719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should warn the mayor of san bernardino < 1355195493 639359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that where mcdonalds was born < 1355195503 701922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort -R ~ shuf? < 1355195548 387662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentlyp < 1355195564 425047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is turning into common lisp < 1355195580 544399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm turning into yp < 1355195654 106294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously how is it meant to be easy to get hackbot working if I cannot get uml working < 1355195681 510192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just don't use a sandbox. < 1355195718 21647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that will help a ton considering I am trying to speed up the umlbox part < 1355195932 715512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is the san andreas fault < 1355196039 142960 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Changing host < 1355196039 255466 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1355196142 729905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :san andreas / the san andreas fault line < 1355196624 834449 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355196645 4406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heeelp < 1355196666 959172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dude, building UML is fucking MAKE. < 1355196675 236014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't build for you, something about your setup is terrible. < 1355196678 799670 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you should feel bad. < 1355196697 349355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you completely ignore the part where I linked you to a thread where other people have had this problem and it's something that got fixed in the kernel itself or something < 1355196728 711177 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, if it was fixed in the kernel, THEN USE THE RIGHT VERSION OF THE FUCKING KERNEL < 1355196733 315359 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for me! < 1355196758 789500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you miss the part where I used the kernel version you use, the latest stable kernel, and the latest rc < 1355196763 460829 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1355196766 551449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did, fuckface! < 1355196797 323582 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you mean the kernel I boot to, or the kernel I'm using in UMLBox? < 1355196806 350020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel I'm using in UMLBox is the one in the Makefile. < 1355196816 271673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel I boot to is 3.1 (unupdated wifi driver >: ( ) < 1355196836 458526 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only on this system... I've used quite newer versions. And hell, the kernel you're booting doesn't affect building software anyway. < 1355196861 396155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the UML kernel < 1355196869 780080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I guess I could try git linux? That will take five years to download though. < 1355196885 529659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Makefile in umlbox specifies the last version I explicitly tested against. < 1355196916 763516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which appears to be 3.6.6. < 1355196922 69841 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355196924 925938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355196925 919737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that < 1355196926 877472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3.6.10 < 1355196929 647689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3.blah-rc-blah < 1355196934 360674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1351400 apparently this is the patch that fixes it or something < 1355196942 15379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then PATCH. < 1355196951 316022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to add something to umlbox when it WORKS — FOR — ME. < 1355196978 551533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently this patch is actually in the rc I tried... < 1355196986 505541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when did I tell you to add anything to umlbox??) < 1355197015 554146 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355197030 536967 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have /no idea/ what you're telling me to do. < 1355197036 49977 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds for me, and I've never had any problem. < 1355197040 856706 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how am I supposed to help you. < 1355197083 793166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk telepathy? < 1355197103 418765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently that is the commit that broke things < 1355197135 224253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try whatever absurdly ancient version HackEgo is still on. < 1355197137 558906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/version < 1355197138 974181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux version 3.0.8-umlbox (root@codu.org) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) ) #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 < 1355197171 900060 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355197175 672509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will find the linux version released before 31 august < 1355197201 243837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux was invented in september < 1355197266 271662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.42 it is < 1355197281 585121 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me why it builds just fine for me X-D < 1355197526 887251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what gcc version, and what kernel are you compiling < 1355197551 338128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on HackEgo: < 1355197553 258883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc --version < 1355197554 808891 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355197573 181166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locally, 4.7.2, evidently, but that's probably not the version I had when I most recently compiled umlbox. < 1355197631 593552 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355197676 92179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you try building umlbox now :P < 1355197746 68576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooo, 3.0.42 fails in another manner < 1355197751 575757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.o < 1355197751 648812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c: In function ‘check_coredump_limit’: < 1355197751 649006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:340:16: error: storage size of ‘lim’ isn’t known < 1355197754 573115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:2: error: implicit declaration of function ‘getrlimit’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] < 1355197757 683965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:22: error: ‘RLIMIT_CORE’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1355197760 504188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:22: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in < 1355197763 636785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:349:22: error: ‘RLIM_INFINITY’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1355197766 568376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:340:16: warning: unused variable ‘lim’ [-Wunused-variable] < 1355197778 276071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that even means < 1355197887 131725 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll build umlbox now. < 1355197908 483167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet it just works. < 1355197984 682824 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take a while 'cuz I'm on a slow-arse laptop ;) < 1355197998 172056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 1.33 ghz < 1355197999 216482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat that < 1355198017 398553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :800MHz < 1355198030 716374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except when it actually uses it. Then it goes up a little bit.) < 1355198039 977773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My speed scaling is broken, it's stuck at 800MHz. < 1355198043 888381 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kidding ;) ) < 1355198214 309716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i patched the file that didn't build and added an #include < 1355198217 574854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels VERY RICKETY < 1355198272 182930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH LOOK < 1355198273 154694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BUILT FINE < 1355198310 433803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1355198314 346981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you can give me an ssh account < 1355198318 65676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can use your built umlbox! < 1355198342 204970 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. SERIOUSLY. How are you having trouble building UML. < 1355198343 755688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLYYYY < 1355198372 987496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gcc 4.7.2 btw < 1355198392 590105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he uses musl. < 1355198410 603160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1355198410 762674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a pirate's favorite posix system call < 1355198412 177150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has anyone gotten UML and musl to work yet?) < 1355198424 276037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setarrrrrrrrrlimit(2) < 1355198780 472135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are all rendered speechless by my shining wit < 1355198890 399377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: okay so i got this old kernel compiled by patching it < 1355198897 944941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrrr limit < 1355198898 555527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare to be boarded! < 1355198901 166688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355198908 847260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK NEXT STEP INSTALL DAT SHIT < 1355198911 505033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do I just run runner.sh < 1355198912 683205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do pirates use to create static libraries? < 1355198914 612944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm just going to set PATH < 1355198914 685936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrrrrrr < 1355198945 179654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So long as you have multibot next to runner and socat and umlbox in $PATH, yeah, just run runner.sh. ... after configuring it to have a sensible name and all that jazz. < 1355199222 618417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :DO NOT FUCKING CURSE IN THIS GOD DAMNED CHANNEL, CUNT | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199261 794943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: no username supplied (see "hg help config") < 1355199267 281274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199272 295648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i need a username..... < 1355199275 782239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1355199286 863975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercurial needs a username to commit X-D < 1355199290 577056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably build it in... < 1355199296 384541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :☭ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199304 121114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead of just using the .hgrc) < 1355199317 803326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember git yells at me if I forget to specify it < 1355199320 719575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do that now < 1355199324 526031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can not set things up < 1355199344 717449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add "-u", "HackBot" after "hg", "commit", "-R", wutever < 1355199398 192694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll add that to the repo too) < 1355199415 765527 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199420 55012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199421 695783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199427 881391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1355199428 37642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd", line 129, in < 1355199428 110852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : transact(command, 'lib/sandbox', command) < 1355199428 111058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd", line 73, in transact < 1355199428 111166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for sline in so.split("\n"): < 1355199430 415540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: Type str doesn't support the buffer API < 1355199432 998438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's trying to run it as python3 < 1355199437 88260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355199448 473282 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199453 607655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to that nasty bot < 1355199460 422305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor = the best < 1355199490 735438 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199495 712251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199496 897236 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199497 40172 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice: /usr/bin/umlbox: No such file or directory < 1355199504 482748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really hardcode the fuckin path < 1355199506 818985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355199506 896989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is lambdabot defending me. < 1355199516 173208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1355199526 751385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: because shachaf < 1355199531 349798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1355199534 336084 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199543 829690 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199566 258342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to be near SF this week? < 1355199593 220413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, my shitty dead-man's switch server is going crazy. < 1355199595 726101 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199600 818705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199601 894934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199601 967895 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199607 730136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ PATH=../umlbox:$PATH ./runner.sh < 1355199607 968945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]+ Killed PATH=../umlbox:$PATH ./runner.sh < 1355199608 42030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355199613 6927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO EASY GREGOR SAID < 1355199622 243304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, why? < 1355199647 903716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just wondering" < 1355199653 257022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha-HA I remember having that problem it's FUN < 1355199699 918191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if lib/sandbox has any weird paths in it. < 1355199710 317385 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If uml dies, it seems to have a habit of taking down FUCKING EVERYTHING with it. < 1355199765 871655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has '/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox' < 1355199766 903507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1355199776 575879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1355199778 517117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work? < 1355199781 678332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can umlbox find the kernel < 1355199795 475036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355199828 880162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1355199833 291652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to make an actual /hackenv directory < 1355199834 623526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my actual fs < 1355199909 297554 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1355199914 833296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's artificial. < 1355199934 439223 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can run lib/sandbox directly. HACKENV=multibot_cmds/env multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355199949 28076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ HACKENV=multibot_cmds/env multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355199949 191989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355199949 879871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1355199993 553362 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err wait, I forgot, you need to be in multibot_cmds X-D < 1355200000 846346 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd multibot_cmds; HACKENV=env ./lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355200017 223924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ HACKENV=env ./lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355200017 297753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355200044 407834 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a problem X-D < 1355200051 210791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox -B echo hi ? < 1355200108 610137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355200112 285634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my uml linux is broken < 1355200136 804663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try umlbox -B -v echo hi, see if the kernel gives any hints as to where it's failing. < 1355200194 126372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: < 1355200194 199372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0) < 1355200241 436372 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell? How did you build the kernel? < 1355200276 748408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1355200289 56431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus adding a include to one UML file that didn't have it. < 1355200291 171603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason. < 1355200308 429425 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, make in the umlbox root? < 1355200311 559413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it used the umlbox config? < 1355200344 903109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355200365 480124 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell. < 1355200387 739720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1355200414 886064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 3.0.42 < 1355200422 89412 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/version < 1355200423 493160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux version 3.0.8-umlbox (root@codu.org) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) ) #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 < 1355200427 15300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.42 should be fine. < 1355200438 758307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't :P < 1355200508 662141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about you just send me a compiled umlbox/umlbox-linux < 1355200514 382617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even I guess just the latter < 1355200523 490558 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. < 1355200543 657084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/umlbox-linux < 1355200574 334344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your willingness to do this has made me more suspicious of this binary than any other < 1355200608 469995 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355200620 837179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 < 1355200620 910779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0) < 1355200623 786303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think I know the problem. < 1355200626 254304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My filesystem is JFS. < 1355200635 627496 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to mount your host filesystem. < 1355200643 188360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just mounts an initrd, then uses hostfs. < 1355200643 345050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm < 1355200647 387524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did it try ext3/ext2/ext4 < 1355200668 771630 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO clue. Does it barf the umlbox-linux command line? < 1355200778 516358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel command line: initrd=/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox-initrd.gz ubda=/tmp/24023.conf mem=256M con1=fd:0,fd:3 con2=null con=null,fd:1 root=98:0 < 1355200804 146501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an esolang called Dahell now. it should vaguely resemble haskell, but get as much as possible slightly wrong in ways that blow up horribly when combined (no, C++ is not close enough.) < 1355200810 651239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if somehow the way it's configured, I need to actually ASK it to use initrd... < 1355200838 266236 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In umlbox, can you add "root=ram0" to the kernel command line? < 1355200851 927642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK that's how you explicitly ask for it to use initrd as root. < 1355200856 582387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd.gz exists, right? < 1355200867 198519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just at the end? < 1355200868 773278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- yeah, it does < 1355200872 326222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't matter. < 1355200885 161661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 < 1355200885 234744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) < 1355200888 577816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel command line: initrd=/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox-initrd.gz ubda=/tmp/24040.conf mem=256M con1=fd:0,fd:3 con2=null con=null,fd:1 root=ram0 < 1355200898 487390 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. The. Fuck. < 1355200918 586563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz | file - < 1355200976 277729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you don't have cpio ^^ < 1355201035 948658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz | file - < 1355201036 118164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: no read permission < 1355201055 430631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um, what? < 1355201068 8568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1355201082 320261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355201084 424565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAAAAAAAAAAAT < 1355201099 243070 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My whole universe just collapsed in on itself. < 1355201104 87099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I'm using a version of Linux that's subtly different to everyone else's. < 1355201115 39743 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is! < 1355201121 835196 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are actually using the Deathstation. < 1355201128 269409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz > umlbox-initrd ; file umlbox-initrd < 1355201137 781257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it helps: < 1355201138 482190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Dec 11 03:48:01 2012, max compression < 1355201152 733350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz > umlbox-initrd ; file umlbox-initrd < 1355201152 806493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd: empty < 1355201155 503890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems suboptimal < 1355201158 674623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355201162 641137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, the header's correct at least. < 1355201163 110081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have cpio? < 1355201163 521591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a cpio(1) if that matters < 1355201166 965081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1355201168 147585 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That matters. < 1355201175 509967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say the error reporting could be better. < 1355201188 339455 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added "|| rm -f umlbox-initrd.gz" to the Makefile X-D < 1355201191 770352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddo I do once I have cpio? make clean && make? < 1355201197 655869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just rm that file and make. < 1355201208 526979 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you feel insane you could install pax(1) instead, and then hack the Makefile. :P < 1355201212 536269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now umlbox works. < 1355201220 495754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it fucks up my terminal. < 1355201228 18826 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does that with -v ^^´ < 1355201229 236628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reset < 1355201270 667100 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355201272 592593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355201273 738003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201274 882344 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201278 175652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355201279 187832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201279 351293 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201283 875785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i change its prefix < 1355201285 635046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :move the tr_? < 1355201295 898096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup 8-D < 1355201300 965498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE ITS DA BEST < 1355201311 871660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a nice prefix < 1355201325 386001 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5E is ^ < 1355201337 750382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355201339 783204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a thing < 1355201340 475101 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we just got through database normalization. normalization turns fnord strings into fnord ones. buttons are usually pngs, i think i got it to work for tho < 1355201347 722654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh < 1355201369 702451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, 23 is #? < 1355201376 84925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot is fun < 1355201396 638040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '|' < 1355201398 199930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 124 < 1355201400 553300 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355201409 824639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1355201415 109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1355201418 522250 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know you don't have to shut it down to change the prefix. < 1355201421 3445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess I need it in hex < 1355201423 433652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't? < 1355201442 690953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The major point of multibot is you never need to take it down, you just add and remove commands willy-nilly. < 1355201457 226227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 is % < 1355201458 2581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :µltibot < 1355201468 833231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is my old bot's prefix :( < 1355201482 181299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it called ellibott? < 1355201520 916673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember when you wrote that script to @admin - me? < 1355201603 609665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355201654 244760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's &? < 1355201678 130771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 < 1355201699 771030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355201701 362019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :757) there was a time when I liked wearing a tie too.. I was a mormon. not claiming one has to be a religious nutcase to wear a tie, of course < 1355201723 240354 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355201729 182772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355201741 735094 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355201743 127943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&echo ic chamber < 1355201744 688708 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic chamber < 1355201747 119367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ls < 1355201748 306303 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201754 921046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is mine slower than Gregor's? < 1355201777 171559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess your computer is worse? < 1355201778 918419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1355201780 61269 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/elliott/src/hackego/hackbot/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hi: not found < 1355201782 685883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1355201784 132258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201789 67996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem equally fast. < 1355201792 409161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ALL THE MORE REASON TO MAKE IT FASTER < 1355201796 820593 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/marigoldsnuffles.gif < 1355201803 13838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the nickname of the bot and a colon and space as the prefix, except private messages which should use no prefix at all. < 1355201803 612698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355201807 34332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've forgotten how I was even going to make it faster. < 1355201809 630032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1355201810 178977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 1m 27d 12h 10m 13s ago: Want a message? < 1355201810 372057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest said 1m 27d 12h 9m 15s ago: and another one < 1355201810 445366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 16h 23m 44s ago: That is, the name lookup is done the way you wanted, with the members being considered defined in the scope in which the union is declared. I have not checked whether C++ < 1355201810 445558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : makes it undefined to read an union member that was not the one last written to. < 1355201818 934645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By making it have a persistent umlbox process. < 1355201824 477635 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that, by the way X-D < 1355201828 272696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh right. < 1355201830 484255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why good luck. :( < 1355201863 474951 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion would be to, much more simply, have it just have a umlbox process waiting in the wings, so to speak. Still one-time use, but already there. < 1355201924 726444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1355201929 536751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't make doing, e.g. 5 `quotes any faster. < 1355201944 530349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people really care about the performance of one command? < 1355201957 38357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if HackEgo is being merged. < 1355201990 647103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it pool. < 1355202011 791865 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need five fast `quotes? FIVE UMLBOX PROCESSES. BADA-BING BADA-BOOM < 1355202113 87505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That seems like a good idea actually... < 1355202118 389192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just keep 10 or so UMLBoxes running constantly. < 1355202148 736549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fast enough? < 1355202149 954336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 359131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 671875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 935977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202151 500209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :392) elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1355202151 999866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1355202152 349761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :673) I'm not biased towards humanity over sentient .txt files. < 1355202152 740775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :776) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1355202153 166702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202154 695733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1355202154 862139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't see any reason not to. < 1355202165 496306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know any reason not to. < 1355202184 602400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That was a really flimsy excuse for spam. < 1355202194 672041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Better than your usual excuses. < 1355202231 639996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you seriously making a conspiracy out of the fact that occasionally some quotes are called up to delete when the channel is quiet which literally nobody but you has a problem with... < 1355202314 35001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202315 820321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :593) oh god oh god what if I become attracted to birds < 1355202325 230050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMC IS PART OF IT < 1355202334 786959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202336 441470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :637) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1355202342 503777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202344 272900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly < 1355202346 410128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202348 19360 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :322) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1355202349 74814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202350 736260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) 11 holes for me :D < 1355202359 804774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 10 < 1355202364 662086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* 11 holes for me :D < 1355202391 606184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, I wonder what should start the UMLBoxes, since there's nothing really long-running... < 1355202405 927907 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1355202426 158281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess runner.sh could start them actually < 1355202452 319404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'd just maintain FIFOs in multibot_cmds < 1355202469 839308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1355202527 694853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there is a new controversy over whether scotland automatically stays in the EU if it leaves the UK < 1355202532 1122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether they have to re-apply < 1355202551 277319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355202558 951509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then it's not clear which FIFO a given process wants to send to < 1355202602 73831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does UMLBox even forward stdin... < 1355202613 134075 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does if you don't explicitly tell it not to. < 1355202689 439986 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355202860 702372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmm I guess I could make the UMLBoxers just create dummy files to signify when they're running < 1355202863 678327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross though < 1355202878 808492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've seen the same problem mentioned regarding catalonia. well that and the fact in their case spain would probably be pissed enough to veto it. < 1355202899 173403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355202922 148156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a single state veto another state joining / remaining in the EU? < 1355202933 657973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least joining < 1355202933 919596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like there is not an established procedure for this < 1355202947 654438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the case of an existing state splitting into two, i mean < 1355202960 209285 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can walk now and you know a couple of words, by the way. < 1355202967 497259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems kind of short-sighted but it may have been a third-rail issue when they were putting together the initial treaties < 1355202974 557828 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though as far as I can remember, the only words you know are "tractor", "bye-bye", and "thank you". < 1355202978 523853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. all the splitting states in europe recently did so before any part joined the eu. < 1355202992 729605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Those are the only words I kno < 1355202993 821289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1355203022 513720 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could have a single FIFO to indicate when umlboxen are ready, and every time a new process comes into play, it makes a new umlbox in the background that (eventually) reports on the end of that fifo, then pull out the first one on the fifo. < 1355203024 296439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _is_ a precedent for only part of a state being a member, though (e.g. greenland) < 1355203047 131141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355203079 353511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, as in the FIFO would just be a stream of "umlboxer 1 ready", "umlboxer 7 ready", etc.? < 1355203094 743077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why you'd need it to dynamically make new UMLBoxes < 1355203111 153492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of weird cases actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union < 1355203120 302296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming you'd just have a script that does "spawn a UMLBox, wait for a command on my FIFO, give it that command, wait until it dies, go to step 1" < 1355203120 770639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It creates a new one so that there's the right number on the queue when it consumes one *shrugs* < 1355203152 675081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, probably I should just write a Python script that maintains all the UMLBox processes itself rather than trying to separate them out at all < 1355203187 864667 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, you don't seem to be aware that you only say "thank you" when someone else gives you something, not when you give someone else something. < 1355203193 765321 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, you also know the word "poop". < 1355203203 513352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just sounding more and more like me < 1355203212 605109 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you say it whenever anyone trips over one of those springy doorstops. < 1355203235 793133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: maybe elliott is a buddhist, i hear they do that reverse thanking thing with monks < 1355203241 514900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're running unstable now? < 1355203245 541132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355203246 151885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were running testing. < 1355203247 528294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1355203265 280998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually what happens is i set up to run testing, but to have the ability to install packages from unstable < 1355203271 756098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then my system gradually becomes unstable < 1355203272 867457 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1355203272 940854 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1355203277 498616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unsupported. < 1355203288 33477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's fine < 1355203288 577968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess so is Debian in general. < 1355203290 561822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt handles it fine < 1355203299 92208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that things in unstable tend to depend on other things in unstable < 1355203308 368014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up gradually "upgrading" to unstable < 1355203388 855709 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my workplace uses gentoo and I've kind of noticed that happen too < 1355203395 842154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where if I want one unstable thing I end up getting every unstable thing < 1355203409 178378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with lots of portage blocked packages <_<; < 1355203534 848835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo isn't good at that. < 1355203736 171201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :workplace using gentoo, that's interesting < 1355203746 665767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it is good if you need a large number of local changes to packages < 1355203753 176080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like hell < 1355203794 814469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo does have a way to distribute binary packages right < 1355203834 41293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience Gentoo is good if you like having your package manager incurably broken. < 1355203843 839770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use ebuilds for a lot of their own programs and keep some specific versions and packages < 1355203847 298947 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of icky though < 1355203853 177788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's partially because a previous sysadmin set it up with gentoo < 1355203864 599182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1355203892 533443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mainly just not very good with it though < 1355203954 508011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when I get my new laptop I should install NixOS instead of Debian < 1355203986 761955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard NixOS is actually usable! < 1355204001 436664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1355204003 584845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor uses NixOS in hard mode < 1355204006 374022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually usable!" -- shachaf < 1355204010 454072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can put that on the DVD box set < 1355204014 478583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hard mode"? < 1355204015 551348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. without /lib < 1355204023 530888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or /lib64, or whatever it is. < 1355204025 82118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 < 1355204027 162344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1355204040 232680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does your ELF interpreter live? < 1355204047 819215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard mode because it breaks most linux binarieS? < 1355204055 396431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355204057 835418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1355204063 310936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nix/store/something? < 1355204080 191670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a tool for patching ELF files to refer to it. < 1355204131 995425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1355204147 474086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is better than symlinking? < 1355204172 698039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have to patch ELFs anyway < 1355204175 685508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the actual libraries < 1355204184 765621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could symlink those too. < 1355204189 6430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1355204192 34840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work like that < 1355204195 788966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has read the Nix/NixOS papers
< 1355204198 561133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you *could*. < 1355204202 430847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would cause problems. < 1355204202 547506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very very good at getting unix to do something it doesn't want to do at all < 1355204208 629823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes if you don't care about the whole point of nix... < 1355204217 34734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it does the symlink thing to a degree < 1355204224 746294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people do it and it works ish. < 1355204262 651054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't most shared libs referred to by filename only and not path? < 1355204343 858616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm wrong about this "hard mode" thing and it's the regular thing. < 1355204357 56117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor said it was a thing he chooses to do, or something like that, I think. < 1355204365 215060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should try NixOS and tell me if it's good! < 1355204367 697694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355204380 861084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps NixOS will fix my X1 Carbon power management problems < 1355204420 7563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is this edit vandalism, or mistake correction?: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_algorithms&diff=35029&oldid=34951 < 1355204426 76422 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355204429 809707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to really think about it right now < 1355204472 933381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did I tell you my laptop shipped finally? < 1355204475 602521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will not be free :/ < 1355204489 160841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh no! < 1355204491 798586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should sue them. < 1355204564 96604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right < 1355204568 881619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1355204569 217178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . Talk:Emmental‎; 15:40 . . (-29,247)‎ . . ‎Chris Pressey (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (move Talk:Mascarpone discussion to Talk:Mascarpone) [rollback] < 1355204572 497771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . N Talk:Mascarpone‎; 15:39 . . (+29,446)‎ . . ‎Chris Pressey (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (move Talk:Mascarpone discussion to Talk:Mascarpone) < 1355204575 500683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to keep the histories somehow < 1355204587 839237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:37:42 aren't most shared libs referred to by filename only and not path? < 1355204596 171728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: with nix you always want everything to refer to an exact version < 1355204603 314846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically the point < 1355204614 191890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff directly knows where all its dependencies are and there's no "resolution" < 1355204632 861071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they do some really wild hacks to get builds repeatable so the hashes are consistent < 1355204639 810611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with timestamps and stuff < 1355204654 280774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355204667 593636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with nixos is that you need the packaging to be really good < 1355204678 758719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you want to do the configuration of all your software in the actual nix language < 1355204685 551900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it generates the config files from that < 1355204685 942836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1355204688 110069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1355204705 900859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think you can just tell it "make a config file with this and expand the paths" < 1355204711 305151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't get as much coolness ;p < 1355204712 520536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:p < 1355204802 706062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also I think you are locked-in to upstart as the init system < 1355204807 543182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a shame because I don't like upstart < 1355204842 330580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1355204845 626759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that said their tech is so advanced that it's hard for me to consider all other package managers as anything more than broken < 1355204865 443238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I'd actually use the OS but they really do just get so many problems right < 1355204868 490892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1355204881 437201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like if this actually works well, it would eliminate the need for programs like puppet and chef < 1355204903 818748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically try to apply a declarative configuration description on top of a conventional distribution < 1355204916 770591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah you can do things like make nix create a livecd of your current system < 1355204920 941342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rollback to the configuration you used 3 days ago < 1355204926 549376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or start your current configuration in qemu < 1355204931 933700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355204932 709087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have tools to do this automatically < 1355204934 19003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very cool < 1355204935 722655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all declarative < 1355205001 704833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling learning this will make me hate using debian and puppet at work < 1355205008 798987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the way that learning haskell will make one hate using python at work < 1355205031 820987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate using Python at work? < 1355205071 332615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1355205075 4013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate some aspects of it < 1355205094 131069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would hate some aspects of using haskell and ghc as well < 1355205182 126347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i am very annoyed that there's no reasonable way to set a timeout on a function call < 1355205199 306755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use SIGALRM because we are already forced to use python's shitty threads < 1355205204 112626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use python's shitty threads because they are shitty < 1355205208 110592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have been through this here before < 1355205259 449426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a programmer, and my tools hate me... and I hate them. And they hate me for hating them and I hate them for hating me. And we hate each other. And that's because none of us got enough hate in our childhood." < 1355205270 187697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355205363 587977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1355205379 901545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair I like a lot of things about python as well < 1355205399 305593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python and javascript are two of the better languages that you can reliably get paid to use < 1355205407 27121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this the beginning to your romance novel < 1355205506 397708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will find his true love, a programming language he doesn't hate < 1355205518 167360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc already found that < 1355205519 639805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone found that < 1355205520 670445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ < 1355205597 506707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ is great, isn't it? < 1355205598 225369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add < 1355205600 312901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune < 1355205602 352161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma < 1355205604 300432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline < 1355205606 289695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc < 1355205608 262067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc < 1355205610 296674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow < 1355205620 212605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205620 757285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'J' < 1355205622 267807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205622 699557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: <> < 1355205624 419073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205624 849108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\"" < 1355205627 669982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^ best command ever < 1355205633 660465 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what death feels like < 1355205647 768965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or sex < 1355205671 940162 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205672 176812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :V RETURNS! < 1355205675 231203 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1355205843 325946 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember rembember, the fifth of november... < 1355205997 990488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205998 617598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\"" < 1355206012 929269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you want to know the story behind @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206026 401030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is curious
< 1355206056 572174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess once upon a time, lambdabot evaluated things in an implicit "let v = ..." < 1355206067 655843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people started to refer to 'v' within those expressions and got crazy results < 1355206073 794420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'v' was renamed to 'yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' < 1355206123 107042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that just like, a random keyboardsmash < 1355206123 952521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355206128 345741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1355206129 231889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope: yes < 1355206170 152619 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206170 296317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'J' < 1355206183 82495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway these commands relive some of the strange results people got < 1355206206 886960 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juan: i think they just mean the cgi, because otherwise, wtf < 1355206209 288335 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1355206212 398209 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206212 565181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"" < 1355206265 275106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, Juan < 1355206322 333254 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355206374 568262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'Juan' < 1355206396 347987 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intentional, i swear < 1355206559 495369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ju say so < 1355206616 201308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can you refer to 'yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' within those expressions? < 1355206646 495496 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206648 28619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' < 1355206649 752862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the whole point < 1355206652 10984 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355206697 224967 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you were the one dealing with TeX demimicrons, right? < 1355206707 340674 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355206707 414109 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355206707 414264 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355206707 995015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes < 1355206717 370179 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/website/dek.pdf this is for you, then < 1355206926 233654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write one letter to Knuth, a year ago, I think. I did use TeX, and I use TeX for all of my typesetting stuff actually, but I did not use PDF. I did get someone to deliver it, though (it was addressed correctly, but I knew someone who was going to be near there, so he delivered it to Knuth's office). < 1355206967 335949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did include the return address too. However, I have not received a reply. Well, it doesn't matter; it is not particularly important. < 1355207023 298787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the same address you can find by WHOIS on my domain name, but my name is Aaron Black, and ignore the telephone number and email and so on since none of those are mine; but the postal address will reach me if mail is sent there. < 1355207113 92406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know, that is one way to contact me. Of course you can use the IRC and wiki talk pages but postal mail can be used too. < 1355207163 566955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it is postal mail I am guaranteed to receive it as soon as it arrives (not as soon as it is sent); with the computer of course it is just whenever I check, which might or might not be faster. < 1355208602 387795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SourceForge broke? < 1355208776 511284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's down. < 1355208856 279656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was your letter a bug report? < 1355208871 289358 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355208999 664308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do not remember what it was. < 1355209019 82575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once emailed a bug report and got a reply. < 1355209019 681037 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355209051 116983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355209131 736834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also seems broke. < 1355209153 822979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they upgraded something wrong? < 1355209166 369388 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia works okay here < 1355209194 869504 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355209196 612093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer it broke. < 1355209238 994749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the DocBook command for URL? < 1355209649 30821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I figure out < 1355209689 135740 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355210055 401141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355210081 895090 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355210081 968411 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355210081 968578 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355210133 873130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the CS bachelor's thesis presentation day today; one of them peoples has done a thing on FM synthesis of sounds on a GPU. < 1355210157 251404 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355210186 52378 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1355210281 457391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, that one is in the other session. < 1355210320 604899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine just has things like MultipathTCP. < 1355210577 458094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I add a swap pratition? < 1355210581 679901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1355210581 858773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 3792 3684 107 0 0 146 < 1355210581 932254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 3538 253 < 1355210581 932442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap: 0 0 0 < 1355210583 807490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*partition < 1355210589 602896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is kind of laggy. All the time. < 1355211335 690516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use less memory. < 1355211350 736219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start by dropping X, I think that'll help. < 1355211371 800045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also any X clients you might be running.) < 1355211879 287286 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355211909 798433 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355211920 471057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355211955 28743 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355211966 774830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355211969 191520 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did play Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1355212077 119150 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were on a spiral staircase. It is dark (I can see in dark, they can't), but I did not want to light up since they would then see us; instead we hold each other's hand. < 1355212221 651344 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We found the door with magic runes and eventually managed to get in. < 1355212273 226452 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355212285 11372 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this yet? < 1355212298 798753 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355212298 871712 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355212298 871862 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355212388 621722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds very dramatic. < 1355212645 65914 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king is inside. < 1355212685 622739 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is glad his royal wizard is there, and he is glad Isolde is there, but he is not as glad that I am there. < 1355212700 319300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is beautiful < 1355212707 775305 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have to escape, perhaps through the barred window, but some people outside are going to break the door... < 1355212717 450052 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, I have idea: R-KB1!! < 1355212997 996337 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is *your* idea??? < 1355213026 115294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/how-to-hack-chipotle/ < 1355213228 310782 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355213308 854620 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1355213314 711404 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1355213542 860649 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355213766 382722 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355213902 731549 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214144 725308 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214235 189901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds like a bad idea considering that those burritos feel like they're about ready to explode as is XD < 1355214539 938843 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214549 698701 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355214550 902570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's idea is to serve the king some chipotle? < 1355214563 806397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds not necessarily helpful. < 1355214900 748341 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355215065 415447 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am using 7-Zip to list an executable it mentions two files with the same name. < 1355215338 984462 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355215527 963961 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355215704 40722 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can extract the .rsrc which seems to be the resource data, however neither 7-Zip nor Resource Editor is capable of loading that file. < 1355216146 599218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355216375 828743 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca NICK :zzo38 < 1355218846 181613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355218940 23846 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355219176 852304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan okay I fixed the /// thing < 1355219177 8178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355219528 146368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355219546 883377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220252 576243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1355220260 942198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out my esolang wiki deployment strat is totally fucked when they up the major version < 1355220274 752524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have any suggestions other than cry a lil < 1355220279 874087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept "cry a lot" < 1355220322 997411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1355220324 197319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS < 1355220326 98423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY FUCKING HATE PHP < 1355220328 220732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT < 1355220329 125770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry a moderate amount and flail alot < 1355220350 536414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too tired to flail < 1355220357 769052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only manage crushing despair < 1355220364 425778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep then flail later < 1355220377 521491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I sleep when esolang is outdated < 1355220384 499640 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1355220393 233115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant answer that question < 1355220397 580680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i amnt sleeping myself < 1355220403 985696 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should have been hours ago < 1355220433 888023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1355220448 886098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly want to write a wiki that recreates MW's functionality and interface < 1355220452 26989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from scratch < 1355220453 687883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so I don't have to maintain this installation < 1355220463 904160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to keep the fucking config and data files in the same directory as the code it's the worst thing ever < 1355220471 585771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/upgrading < 1355220473 372932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad-hoccest shit ever < 1355220475 348348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cry forever < 1355220497 918242 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220507 68183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't upgrade. < 1355220511 146646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retro. < 1355220591 574024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro security holes < 1355220625 890085 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it in a VM like HackEgo < 1355220630 881559 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it in HackEgo < 1355220725 995256 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220798 177594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just run esolang on git mediawiki... < 1355220800 72029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong < 1355220809 964805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Snowyowl < 1355220813 519108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355220840 610014 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta very much < 1355220869 104304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1355220872 724831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355220877 50142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355220879 146526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355220881 964148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you know what that's referencing. < 1355220882 358269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1355220885 622810 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355220907 793414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it referencing? < 1355220937 508090 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stat wisdom/welcome < 1355220938 808186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: `wisdom/welcome' \ Size: 233 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 10h/16d Inode: 767424 Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2012-12-11 10:14:59.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2012-12-11 10:14:58.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2012-12-11 10:14:58.000000000 < 1355220958 667023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a good reference I'll keep it. < 1355221049 281105 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1355221050 424568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ais523 \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ boily \ bonvenon \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finnish \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ freefull \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gaspacho \ gazpacho \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ < 1355221144 738848 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`banach-tarski < 1355221145 970464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: banach-tarski: not found < 1355221154 139153 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/banach-tarski < 1355221155 189015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1355221289 900816 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion is an anagram of recursion < 1355221389 746854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Hang on... < 1355221391 611706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST A MINUTE < 1355221404 708494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your nick "Snowy owl" or "Snow yowl"????? < 1355221408 333115 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355221411 854113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH ONE < 1355221414 86757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important < 1355221456 376096 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, how does OR work on strings? < 1355221492 173946 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Snowy owl" or "Snow yowl" == "Snowyyowl" bitwise < 1355221494 205658 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1355221528 213291 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I was hoping to make a witty but ambiguous answer there and failed terribly. It's "Snowy owl" < 1355221550 887953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ ord 'y' .|. ord ' ' < 1355221552 514728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'y' < 1355221574 580286 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being a .|. < 1355221602 105096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.&. < 1355221607 425446 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1355221625 726154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean ·_· < 1355221668 363704 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't, and stop calling my Shirley. < 1355221933 922242 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355221960 63720 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355222318 591928 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355222923 725426 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355223161 478372 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1355224140 855681 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355224167 109901 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355224247 806045 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355224253 284097 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355224321 683798 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355224485 39500 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355226822 803178 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355226921 799997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1355226980 512747 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355228108 516605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355228145 547129 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355229274 138164 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355230662 262792 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355231182 925299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355231212 612706 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355231418 395180 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355231600 890829 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi QUIT :Quit: meh < 1355231670 890954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355231696 165273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355232784 756474 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355232819 119202 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Phantom_Hoover Fiora: Did coppro ever use the chance to beat me? There was an update a significant number of hours ago < 1355232836 22658 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 hours ago I think < 1355232898 787535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355232935 439350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233068 197523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you keep doing that competitive thing, it's just going to lead to someone having a bot push the RSS in here sooner or later. < 1355233224 973762 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only coppro is thinking of it competitively. And not really taking it seriously < 1355233331 894679 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233331 968186 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355233331 968328 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233530 756628 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355233898 327881 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355234228 615225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, some SNES games? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300830169972 (It's the BSNES guy.) < 1355234625 738351 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355234644 758062 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355234644 830660 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355234654 946367 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355234967 703787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355235290 915566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355235761 765245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en fait, ça me choue de dire "dédié aux mathématiques et ses applications" : si c'est "les" mathématiques, c ça doit être "leurs" applications < 1355235831 979216 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355236057 479145 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matin! < 1355236165 466365 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1355236540 753245 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut < 1355236577 245568 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey why are there three esolangs that are "a file whose length is the base-2 representation of a Brainfuck program" < 1355236602 363238 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355236627 23805 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like they're even usable for anything < 1355236915 487509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you don't have sparse file support and have a lot of disk space to get rid of? < 1355237111 650181 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part makes sense < 1355237126 318573 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why we need more than one such language < 1355237204 485052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly not a good argument for intelligent design, that's for sure. < 1355237633 20802 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1355237659 280278 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355237708 184242 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: I believe what we need is a better referencement of brainfuck derivatives < 1355237746 162494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WARNING: This may have already been thought of by a couple other well-thinking enthusiasts before you." < 1355237801 911764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we also have 2 or 3 identical "turing tarpits" with two instructions, "no-op" and "execute", that both make a so-called 'wheel' of brainfuck instructions spin < 1355237836 589049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance ! means > and .! means < and ..! means + etc.) < 1355237956 388338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braincrash and what else? < 1355238013 52153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ellipsis, MGIFOS and Unary are all Unary, I suppose. < 1355238029 920980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus-catching. -> < 1355239201 522604 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: competitive homestuck-update notifications is just. you're ridiculous XD < 1355239504 271824 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239512 49363 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck updated? < 1355239568 4780 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239568 78975 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239638 220613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:33 < Sgeo|web> elliott: Phantom_Hoover Fiora: Did coppro ever use the chance to beat me? There was an update a significant number of hours ago < 1355239641 799429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:33 < Sgeo|web> 10 hours ago I think < 1355239648 372276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the context) < 1355239855 798887 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239855 799090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239923 373388 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239923 446765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1355241154 853841 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355241230 969077 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgzwvxmgyromsdiy QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355242044 144760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland: architecture https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425714_10151235714854681_575729566_n.jpg < 1355242153 269423 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tchernobyl is in Finland? < 1355242176 374098 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355242378 881297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355242380 536090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hervanta is where Tampere's cheap clone of a "technical university" (Tampere University of Technology) student housing is. < 1355242392 457130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a tape deck from one of those buildings. < 1355242528 846265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3% of people of Hervanta live in a single building, according to Wikipedia. < 1355242547 417073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, a single "student housing complex".) < 1355242914 194873 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqngvlyzwizmwgcs JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245036 760431 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245080 487269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245541 488506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1355245541 647149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 19m 26s ago: okay I fixed the /// thing < 1355245544 941638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEK < 1355245720 575854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to program in Ook! there? I think you made a mistake. < 1355245738 458652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1355245755 333510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say "OKAY"? I think you made a mistake. < 1355245761 719102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355245771 525806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was still trying to program in ook < 1355245773 55969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1355245776 442264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :again a failure < 1355245780 217925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see! < 1355245813 910075 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355246767 896398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355247220 930562 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1355247531 322862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355247547 979757 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355248682 398188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that AMZN has a P:E ratio of over 3,000 < 1355248931 771678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355248987 441684 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355249251 403263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop:excrement? < 1355249281 603794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of poop. < 1355249288 83654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or relatively little excrement, I suppose. < 1355249487 577480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355249557 959796 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355249754 911090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355250102 740577 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250332 667037 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250457 866702 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250694 860034 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1355250924 775993 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355251617 86155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what time the winter solstice is this year? I calculated it on my computer < 1355251696 317429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice ? < 1355251713 701510 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355251728 564328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is Wikipedia article of it, but I can calculate it on my computer, without Wikipedia. < 1355251792 386600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you just wanted to know whether or not we knew it? < 1355251792 958733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says at 3:11 AM in my time zone, at December 21. < 1355251803 499308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know before I looked it up < 1355251807 268179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Julian Day = 2456282.9666 < 1355251836 827329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Wikipedia will tell you but why don't you calculate it on your own computer? I think even on the day before, they even said it on the news on television < 1355251910 259199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason I don't calculate it myself is that I'm not interested in knowing when the solstice is < 1355251933 855364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But it's CRUCIAL INFORMATION. How do you go grocery shopping without knowing that? < 1355251940 653213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you don't want to celebrate the solstice either? < 1355251968 9552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355251986 868667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is going to affect grocery shopping much, but it does affect the amount of sunlight, and so on < 1355252004 89388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: grocery shopping? I just use my replicator < 1355252124 554888 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355252155 19321 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355252225 87685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, christmas is pretty much the winter solstice but with an easier-to-calculate date < 1355252231 366714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and EVIL COMMERCIALISM < 1355252256 13492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when they decided that date it was the winter solstice at approximately that time. < 1355252338 499441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:37:48 If you keep doing that competitive thing, it's just going to lead to someone having a bot push the RSS in here sooner or later. < 1355252344 821783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would be convenient because it could be ignored. < 1355252369 843899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355252371 707908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timestamp < 1355252380 599486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "competitive thing"? < 1355252382 738970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I caused oerjan tons of work. < 1355252523 99265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Competitive Homestuck update announcements. < 1355252543 765040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I hear it's supposed to be in the next Olympics. < 1355252802 289375 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355252802 368257 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355252802 441754 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355253137 756900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/SeinfeldToday < 1355253204 834714 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355253272 884638 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Jerry discovers Newman is secretly an Internet famous fan fiction writer. George gets aroused reading 50 Shades of Gray, questions self.» < 1355254173 390826 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355254780 115040 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355254810 833274 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355256531 718202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355257296 846301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have program to play Impulse Tracker instrument that can be made into Csound plugins? < 1355257689 681012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMDp3A7aZeY "Description: i love fizzie the best of them all" < 1355257696 579369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. < 1355257713 914110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really realize I was an aquapet. < 1355257723 2570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks pretty much how i imagine fizzie to be irl < 1355257726 675093 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355257770 586521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What a strange noise" < 1355257772 194675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it makes me not want fizzie. its loud and annoying." < 1355257776 327423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor fizzie < 1355257787 318091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sure, he's loud and annoying but do you have to say it outright like that < 1355257801 440308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not his fault he was born a speech recognition researcher < 1355257829 891072 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355257852 249234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech recognition researches are born, not made. < 1355257856 304707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps does this mean fizzie searches youtube for himself < 1355257915 296401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're e-stalking my wife's coworker's new boyfriend, via his IRC nick/anime website profile/okcupid profile; I just thought I'd see what I get with my nick. < 1355257931 686730 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1355257933 612833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fortunately a common enough word; no me-related results in the ten first pages. < 1355257947 561184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, just to pass the time. < 1355257953 292604 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355258055 382579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think fizzie is planning to murder him.) < 1355258106 40615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anime-watching website's statistics said he's watched like two-three thousand episodes of the stuff. < 1355258131 721145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the stuff" < 1355258134 993299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad/good is his taste? < 1355258151 158847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know, the site doesn't rate that automatically. < 1355258185 521981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a site that uses k-means clustering to categorize anime fans
< 1355258193 764501 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is "the stuff"? < 1355258200 356067 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mecha fan" "yaoi fangirl" "moe otaku" "pedophile" etc < 1355258213 982286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'm sure some of them do clustering. < 1355258231 812577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/anison-classification-from-unsupervised-lexical-clustering is what made me think of it < 1355258279 284616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should do what our people always do and make a SOM out of it. Except I don't have a database dump from an animu site. < 1355258289 406747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOM? < 1355258304 910813 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: copypaste and format trough awk/perl < 1355258305 737331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-organizing maps. They're kind of what our department is most famous for. < 1355258310 947600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those do? < 1355258372 384581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a kind of a dimensionality reduction trick, from one point of view. < 1355258378 478880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just read the intro of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organizing_map < 1355258396 950088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often you end up with 2D maps with recognizable clusters, anyway. < 1355258410 953369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1355258430 990781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you once made one of those of the channel right < 1355258464 614136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you ever make something that analysis the logs and builds a model that can predict who is most likely to have said a given line on the channel? < 1355258470 403880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds right up your alley and also cool < 1355258475 506150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyses < 1355258492 443344 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly be interesting < 1355258510 572026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did two different very preliminary experimets re stuff like that, but never anything terribly finished. < 1355258522 506735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it any good? < 1355258523 773585 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355258538 768325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One with our book author classification course project SOM thing, and another with just a SVM classifier. < 1355258539 884615 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355258568 503532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; it was using the statistical features, you need a lot of text to get sensible estimates of those. < 1355258568 913988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like self-organising crap am I right < 1355258577 949881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: #esoteric is pretty old!! < 1355258582 359153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does SOM compare to k-means stuff? < 1355258640 395988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, sure; it works reasonably if you take like a thousand lines from each speaker and use statistics from those as samples. But it's not as nice as the "guess an author for each line independently" trick. < 1355258667 195541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: If you want to judge his taste, this was his "completed" series list: http://sprunge.us/YPcM < 1355258678 856937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I don't care how you do it, I just want something that takes a line and says it's n% chance to be fizzie, m% chance to be elliott elliott, ... < 1355258696 695721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooow @_@ < 1355258697 934570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge list < 1355258772 556822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott elliott" < 1355258773 62120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go me < 1355258773 891622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And SOM's not exactly a clustering algorithm per se, it's kind of more like something like other manifold learning algorithms, it finds a low-dimensional (usually 2D) manifold from the input data, minimizing something. < 1355258792 526141 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it kind of finds a simple model for the data? < 1355258804 171068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do they have "uncompleted" series lists too? < 1355258804 547550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, naximum variance unfolding or something. < 1355258812 71633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fizzie is just making up words. < 1355258839 714197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They have "watching", "completed", "dropped" and "plan to watch". (But the other three were shorter.) < 1355258871 463847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 "watching", 365 "completed", 4 "dropped", 43 "plan to watch". < 1355258884 3436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And yes, you could say it finds a simple model for the data. < 1355258887 351056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that list has everything from near-porn seinen shows to shoujo < 1355258913 361322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shonen like fullmetal alchemist and ... gosh that's a lot of anime < 1355258917 266405 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've watched... like... 15 < 1355258948 78985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sorry, I misremembered: the "completed" list is about 5700 episodes. (A hundred days' worth.) < 1355259017 867739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anime I like to watched included Akagi, Kaiji, Death Note, etc < 1355259036 606168 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anime I like to watch includes Another, Mirain < 1355259050 713806 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Nikki, Higurashi and Umineko < 1355259058 736346 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Mirai < 1355259069 906847 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out what you want < 1355259080 261665 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355259102 669240 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows only one person who ha a longer list than that, and she's watched about 500
< 1355259139 85533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Basically a SOM just takes a (usually) 2D grid and then schmoogles it into the data space in such a way that it tries to cover the distribution of the training data well; it's essentially figuring out a vector quantization codebook for the data. Then you can use it e.g. for classification by labeling the grid nodes and doing some nearest-node/nearest-neighbourhood stuff. Or just ... < 1355259145 89184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... visualize things; the "u-matrix" (average distance between a node and its neighbours) is often plotted, it will show "borders" around clear clusters. < 1355259337 943864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like uh this I pasted a while ago, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/girls_on_top.png -- that there is a u-matrix. < 1355259366 942565 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hexes? < 1355259381 922853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just traditionally a hex grid. You can do rectangular too. < 1355259386 145268 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why name like that? < 1355259393 203380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about the filename.
< 1355259429 663505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, elliott: The red dots (female authors) are plotted on top of blue dots (male authors) when there happen to be books from authors of both genders in the same SOM cell. < 1355259435 873582 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355259437 483971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a boys_on_top.png there too.) < 1355259488 574310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The size of a dot represents the count of books from authors of that gender that are closest to where that particular grid node is in the feature space. < 1355259495 586504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what features is it charting? < 1355259497 145105 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, i was wondering if it was for more connections between nodes or whatever < 1355259512 245382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So regions of reds are where there are a lot of books by female authors. < 1355259542 425521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, what features determine where in the chart the dots go? < 1355259558 906119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the background color shows the average distance between a node and its neighbours in the feature space, so you can see that the green cluster is separated by a really large gap. < 1355259568 822699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some sixty of them. < 1355259572 642261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're really quite boring. < 1355259593 992297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word, phrase, sentence lengths, stuff like that. < 1355259622 544882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh, so the text of the books < 1355259627 142994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's green? < 1355259637 49600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither male nor female. :p < 1355259654 567913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :genderqueer I suppose? < 1355259658 896967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the human genome project "book" and some US tax database thing. < 1355259666 596196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so no listed authors or something? < 1355259669 522172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on Project Gutenberg data. < 1355259678 347861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No listed author we could determine a gender for. < 1355259683 275869 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1355259689 860001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feature list here somewhere, where did I put it. < 1355259723 130624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/esomap-feats I think they're the same as these. < 1355259753 807384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, so SOM can effectively cluster/organize a gazillion different features? < 1355259756 172126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "chars per word (N)"s are histogram bins of the chars-per-word histogram; the (mean) and (variance) ones are, well, sample mean and variance. < 1355259789 649265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a rather bad dimensionality reduction tool if it couldn't. (Though I have a feeling people might still sometimes do like a PCA first instead of using raw features, maybe?) < 1355259807 384754 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355259820 286043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, K-means isn't really good at that is it? < 1355259846 310150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not. It suffers a bit from the curse of dimensionality. < 1355259870 941425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're not strictly speaking exclusive alternatives; you could do K-means on the data as mapped to the SOM space. < 1355259912 233755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specific word lists (she+her+hers+herself etc.) are things that an early gender-specific-features-of-written-language paper listed as having good class separability. < 1355259925 99644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the nouns/verbs/adjectives/adverbs features are pure cheating. < 1355259965 282530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing those word lists in gender text classifier things online < 1355259970 19000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gosh were they /bad/ < 1355259981 258394 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feels": highly feminine < 1355259989 63883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of when I took AI class and we did sentiment classification < 1355259993 768016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, 70% accurate was considered amazingly good < 1355260019 893195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just assigns a POS tag like that based on whether the word in question has higher occurrancy count in WordNet for senses in that particular category; it doesn't try to do parsing, or even any context-dependency at all. < 1355260109 414607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't help but expand POS differently
< 1355260174 333047 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you able to get like, a % accuracy on gender detection (i.e. train on half the data set, test on the other half)? < 1355260182 932731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that not what this does < 1355260217 367963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: With 10-fold crossvalidation, our SOM clustering thing on Gutenberg data got average gender classification accuracy of 87%; but that's a misleading result, since you get 86% by guessing all-male since the data set is that biased. Average class accuracy (that is, average of the accuracy for males and for females) was 75%. But it really wasn't tuned for classification all that much. < 1355260232 312645 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355260260 982234 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a build-a-robot kit? < 1355260262 577217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff, the getting 87% by guessing all male. that reminds me of the "weather forecast" that consists of guessing that tomorrow will be the same as today < 1355260267 251948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is nearly as accurate as actual wather forecasts < 1355260267 688921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what kind of robot? < 1355260278 235466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha < 1355260282 778624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wasn't that weather thing done in like arizona or something < 1355260289 567167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine the weather changes much in arizona < 1355260296 385068 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1355260301 459179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty great though < 1355260308 146825 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just something as a Christmas gift... preferably requiring soldering etc. < 1355260316 222907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Author attribution accuracy for Gutenberg with our 292-author set (so baseline guess-most-likely of 2.7%) was 39%, so it was certainly better than random guessing, which was pretty much what our goals were; I mean, it was just a project-work thing. < 1355260328 75402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weather.slimyhorror.com/ this was for cambridge < 1355260331 217065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1355260389 196680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm making the assumption that predicting today's weather is dead simple, so the BBC couldn't possibly get this wrong." < 1355260392 870682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this person must be new to the BBC. < 1355260414 978505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok I admit I just wanted to take a jab at the BBC for no reason and have no real basis) < 1355260473 595448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1355260476 166077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna upgrade the wiki for me < 1355260507 977191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png is a confusion matrix for an #esoteric experiment with a "standard" SVM classifier on those same raw features, and maybe some further tweaks, I think using something like "each sample is a snippet of thousand lines from the particular person". It does well for some, less well for others. < 1355260528 482467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really, no. < 1355260539 978352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok i have an idea < 1355260541 688233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about reconsider < 1355260552 809353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upgrade the wiki for me instead?? < 1355260578 540014 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, 'ihope' didn't get a very solid recognizing < 1355260586 662133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo. In fact, I think I have a pressing appointment and need to leave and go do important stuff real soon. < 1355260596 534752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very cool though, it can tell you /which/ author wrote something if you have some other text from them < 1355260628 552334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're irresponsible :( < 1355260640 306155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone exploits the security bugs in the current version < 1355260645 535507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deletes all the brainfuck derivatives < 1355260650 672102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: With those features, though, it can't really tell you anything about who wrote a single comment, you need to collect quite a lot of it. < 1355260665 978576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if it can't tell you anything, then why the cofidence in that confusion matrix? < 1355260673 865011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing something < 1355260684 762076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0L um, don't we already have literally this exact same language already < 1355260703 483676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Because "each sample is a snippet of thousand lines from the particular person". As in, the features are computed from a thousand lines. < 1355260734 219048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get very reliable "mean word length" features from a single comment, after all. < 1355260745 670777 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, I see < 1355260751 627038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "with a lot of text, you can find who wrote something" < 1355260766 943887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. You could find people who have changed their nicks but not their writing styles. < 1355260778 372023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think I did get "automatic" groupings of people who had changed their nicknames in some other experiment. < 1355260820 419876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find any secret doppelgangers < 1355260827 114053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I've wondered about these things is how well they'd work with the same person but different areas of writing < 1355260835 921008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like let's say someone wrote both technical programming books and romance novels < 1355260844 389924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it match the two? or would the styles be so different that it would fail? < 1355260850 266705 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally hypothetically, eh < 1355260863 910988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any good databases of that kind of thing < 1355260874 641088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, technical programming romance < 1355260884 79861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not in the same book XD < 1355260893 522090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that pointer had a thing for that reference < 1355260922 961347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I did find some pairs for which the machine gave a suspiciously high compatibility ratings, but none of them admitted anything. I forget exactly. < 1355260945 257113 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own < 1355260950 759825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"w-will you... will you union me?" < 1355261031 55726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I would assume choice of topic/genre could affect at least many of my features (word lengths, type/token count, word classes) more than the individual author. < 1355261033 154942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That confusion matrix of #esoteric seem very much incomplete, I am sure there are a lot more people on this channel than just that. < 1355261046 962137 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no, I... I... I'm little-endian!" she cried, forcing herself away (and then you have a few pages explaining endianness, its history, its use in networks...) < 1355261047 409556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm pretty sure that is a comprehensive list of anyone who has ever been in the channel, ever < 1355261050 115782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it redirected to http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png what is that for? < 1355261063 530140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone told zzo38 he doesn't exist yet < 1355261071 709060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you are terrible and wonderful < 1355261088 8241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second that opinion < 1355261104 401198 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261105 46075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some people have changed their names so have more than one name for same people, they should be listed all name together, in the same row/column as the others but all included < 1355261126 947714 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very... laconic topic < 1355261150 379949 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brevity is the soul of a worker, taneb < 1355261157 549920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't remember where I saw that (was that xkcd? or maybe this very channel?) but I saw a "map" of "words" from the english language, geographically located in a way that reflected their relations to each other in some texts < 1355261164 528522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore wit = a worker < 1355261173 742052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: β.zem.fi is a laptop at home where I keep large and/or miscellaneous things, because the zem.fi server has not much disk space. < 1355261183 401733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per the famous rule of logic f(x) = f(y) -> x = y) < 1355261183 571076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK < 1355261211 660405 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, words that would work in the same context, like "two" and "three", or "pizza" and "burger", would be located very near to each other) < 1355261226 623234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the wiki updated yet < 1355261250 132728 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "geographically"? < 1355261264 39853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you should make up a new one with everyone on, including different name of same people grouped together in the same row/column, and include time as well. < 1355261329 456623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: There are quite a few ways to make maps like that. Things vaguely like SOM, except many don't actually need feature vectors for the actual points, just pairwise distances you can easily get from relations like that. < 1355261347 307853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hrm. geometrically? < 1355261353 670220 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355261381 346472 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i mean, i just thought at first it would be like those maps that show where "pop" vs. "soda" is used < 1355261441 228959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really need to go now, there's a thing. Back in... four-five hours? -> < 1355261482 945666 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261568 154007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty suspicious of fizzie's sudden departure!!! < 1355261648 348760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, right. Well, not quite. In fact, I have no idea what the location meant - there was no axes or explanation whatsoever, it was just clear that words that usually occupy the same function were very very close < 1355261677 341979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: though I think I can find you a map like you describe, wait a minute < 1355261711 898672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://xkcd.com/1138/ < 1355261764 759881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just mentally substitute "where words are most used" for the legends) < 1355261775 54706 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone living in a white area i am deeply offended < 1355261808 269408 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies, screwdriver set arrived to try to finally get the bad RAM out of this laptop < 1355261815 736042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first step: oh god it's shrinkwrapped < 1355261854 572361 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261860 744729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, clamshelled < 1355261881 146660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :second step, shut off the laptop and hope my stick arms don't fail me < 1355261941 808292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. < 1355261947 992911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad < 1355261952 339910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please kill me < 1355261954 88158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355261992 482241 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( < 1355261996 500058 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip-hop oriented therapy sounds amazing tbh < 1355261999 724786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( < 1355262016 556654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1355262471 908208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1355262488 691549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the culprit, as memtest is going clean so far... < 1355262500 235473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cursed 8GB stick of patriot memory < 1355262509 32246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's the worst pun I've ever heard < 1355262523 803614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is terrible and I love it < 1355262524 968938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=08102007 < 1355262895 337609 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263068 684774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you ever see the paper about how random bitflip errors can be used to escape sandboxing? < 1355263116 256783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/memerr.pdf < 1355263142 524981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooow. < 1355263146 352473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 70% probability! < 1355263170 215830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh and i forgot about http://hakim.ws/BHUS2011/.../BH_US_11_Dinaburg_Bitsquatting_WP.pdf until just now < 1355263171 653650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart cards -- I wonder if you could use like a small radiation source? < 1355263173 274072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is even more hilarious < 1355263178 820810 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hell of an intro paragraph there < 1355263185 68540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you register evil domain names which are a single bit flip away from a real popular site < 1355263194 475564 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that link doesn't seem to be working... oh < 1355263232 295288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :err whoops < 1355263235 248040 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, message passing isn't object oriented < 1355263236 194142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that link is a bad copypaste from google < 1355263242 867011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate hate hate hate hate how google mangles links < 1355263265 983130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hakim.ws/BHUS2011/materials/Dinaburg/BH_US_11_Dinaburg_Bitsquatting_WP.pdf < 1355263283 907661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they registered a bunch of these domains and observed a pretty steady flow of traffic to them < 1355263295 229988 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355263504 163915 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355263519 921202 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263611 140371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first paper is really cool < 1355263616 417650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how -easy- the attack is < 1355263620 820655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, all you have to get is one type violation < 1355263627 996668 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system is compromised < 1355263631 821102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1355263640 565215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the second
< 1355263731 379459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Since we lacked the time or inclination to learn the oil-drilling trade, we decided to use heat.» lazy! < 1355263814 673085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines asking the MIT Research Reactor people to lower an Android phone into their reactor core
< 1355263831 22345 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263880 804168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"guys come on, we just need to verify our type system" < 1355263912 6883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second paper, jeez. that's really impressive < 1355263978 124952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: to cure its cancer? < 1355263991 872540 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the VM attack is cool. < 1355264003 9610 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355264039 678554 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355264071 544600 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinion: http://esolangs.org/wiki/0L seems pretty useless even by joke language standards < 1355264096 399245 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the iPhone 4 seems very... i dunno, 95 just seems a very low max temp < 1355264107 368537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I was thinking we actually already had the exact same language < 1355264110 928506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find it do let me know < 1355264117 289556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a different name, of course) < 1355264140 668154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think that's max external, not internal < 1355264144 153512 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355264160 610463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "by our tests, if you use the iphone in a >95 degree environment, internal temps will break thresholds" < 1355264187 65610 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of degrees? < 1355264191 368498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 < 1355264203 935062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I meant, what kind? < 1355264204 542964 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nil seems basically the same, they both have the same quine even < 1355264213 847736 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Huh%3F is related (and also useless) < 1355264218 533236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm in an acute area, I should be safe < 1355264228 330367 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1355264238 673247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 95 of them! < 1355264244 245841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I got that < 1355264247 98099 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you have to do to be in acute area is to be near Bike :3 < 1355264249 833248 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes, i know < 1355264253 868686 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: fahrenheit < 1355264255 934933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant like, what kind? < 1355264257 272769 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is america < 1355264258 144597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you < 1355264258 706681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: aha, nil is it < 1355264260 896882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 95!! < 1355264270 139111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many real degrees does it make? :-) < 1355264279 640454 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but i mean that means it's not rated to operate in arizona most of the time! < 1355264293 719601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither are humans < 1355264304 292710 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 554.7 °R < 1355264305 312080 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't there reports of ipads overheating just because of like, being in the sun? < 1355264319 231884 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :°R? never heard of them < 1355264328 854642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rankine, you fool < 1355264330 936513 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 25.875 °Rø < 1355264339 125837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just making stuff up! < 1355264341 724477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't call rankine a fool :( < 1355264350 65890 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever heated things in 19th century france < 1355264359 888313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1355264362 193159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that every tuesday < 1355264372 146325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we heated water until it boiled and called it 100° < 1355264388 219589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cooled it until it froze and called it 0° < 1355264395 40974 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, Rø is 1701 < 1355264401 362438 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ø is altgr-l, what < 1355264409 393348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr+o for me < 1355264409 702443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys should i reinstall solidity's os < 1355264416 768619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-l is ł < 1355264417 936334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwin / o for me < 1355264424 280017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rwin o / if you wanna be weird < 1355264432 546627 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rankine is fahrenheit, except that zero is absolute zero. i'll let this sink in < 1355264441 11011 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-0 for me < 1355264449 524979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift+altgr / o works too for me < 1355264458 187129 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all suck < 1355264464 128106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: me too < 1355264490 915682 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hrm. Interesting. I think I'm gonna stay the close-minded nationalist freak I am and stick with celsius, then < 1355264495 446533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm this swedisn debian mirror isn't terribly fast < 1355264496 895360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all remember the HTTP-based freenode crapbot flood? < 1355264501 937823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty entertaining < 1355264508 406419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedisn < 1355264511 675002 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you're swedish? < 1355264526 409323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355264531 372483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does this mean I can blame Arc_Koen < 1355264536 415338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1355264549 83295 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I like swedish to you? < 1355264554 373215 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what nation are you being closed minded with respect to < 1355264554 529374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody set up a web page with a form that would auto-POST to http://irc.freenode.org:6667 < 1355264560 731219 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to disambiguate here on the internet < 1355264562 414586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a very non-swedish set of pixels < 1355264567 39490 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: why... < 1355264572 308775 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. kmc < 1355264586 419932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with form contents that the freenode servers would interpret as logging in, joining a bunch of channels, and spamming them with links to said web page < 1355264601 254338 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1355264604 26975 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just assume he's Finnish, statistically it's likely around here < 1355264612 731724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355264620 954164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was pretty brilliant < 1355264636 579803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think freenode implemented a countermeasure where if your IRC session starts with the letters "POST" you are disconnected < 1355264644 450162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an elegant solution < 1355264655 740843 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah, so of course every time someone clicked on the link... < 1355264662 350946 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam laser < 1355264666 473447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1355264682 518003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like POST is interpreted as QUIT < 1355264688 431516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try just now < 1355264690 367858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355264692 722459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with netcat < 1355264695 796235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elite hacking tools" < 1355264696 141274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355264703 666261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Hackers use socat, elliott < 1355264704 784053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly it still keeps the connection open for a few seconds < 1355264709 679081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check if you have an ident < 1355264714 311374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: socat is the grossest < 1355264734 103688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1355264755 528728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a point of using the original ~1996 netcat for a while because it was adorable but I got too lazy compiling it myself whenever I reinstalled < 1355264758 190315 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many protocols are susceptible to an attack like that < 1355264815 84491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the book i'm reading on websec mentioned this with SMTP < 1355264822 669535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of IRC < 1355264936 510058 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😻 < 1355264948 646600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355264983 138235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i'm upgrading php if it breaks it's not my fault < 1355264997 19428 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if", hah < 1355265046 671184 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e⃣s⃣o⃣t⃣e⃣r⃣i⃣c⃣ < 1355265057 410235 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks not great on this client < 1355265074 479072 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e⃣ s⃣ o⃣ t⃣ e⃣ r⃣ i⃣ c⃣ < 1355265079 759958 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1355265100 995812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :da fuq < 1355265111 954486 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode covers everything < 1355265159 880225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh uh < 1355265165 583986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no unicode penis symbol < 1355265175 265036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less COMBINING PENIS ABOVE < 1355265194 507105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :navigating to http://irc.freenode.org:6667/ in Chromium gives me `net::ERR_UNSAFE_PORT` < 1355265217 251743 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, chromium has no business deciding which ports you can http to < 1355265236 141620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355265257 221242 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING PENIS ABOVE: just say n⃠ o⃠ < 1355265258 700009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well websec is entirely composed of ad hoc hacks to improve security by interventions on entirely the wrong layer < 1355265300 367340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note, I think my ID card has technically expired ... time to figure out how to get a new identity and/or id card < 1355265322 670416 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it will be before someone actually puts a penis into Unicode < 1355265399 580285 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ಠ_ಠ, that's enough for me < 1355265418 330606 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Ꙭ < 1355265458 799269 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+A66C cyrillic capital letter double monocular o) < 1355265463 518544 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: out of curiosity, what was the time lag between making the various internet protocols and getting somebody who knows security on board? i'm guessing like twenty years < 1355265466 854673 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or never < 1355265514 78297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would guess that the kind of security knowledge and practice that is relevant to the internet just didn't exist before the protocols themselves < 1355265520 333041 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys I have important news: turns out there are in fact penises in Unicode: 𓂸𓂹𓂺 < 1355265527 76190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if you're currently in jail you're not allowed to get a swedish passport - shocking < 1355265528 178035 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egyptian hieroglyphics block) < 1355265552 176021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's not really a sequential thing < 1355265570 319507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a continuous process of people inventing crazy new features and other people finding security problems with them < 1355265581 516594 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+130B8 is your basic penis, while U+130B9 has some other object in view (?) and U+130BA is peeing I think < 1355265585 882077 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exciting < 1355265628 647823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is that U+130BA PUBLIC URINATION? < 1355265640 950979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the information disclosure hole where you can tell what sites a user has visited by making some links and asking their color from javascript < 1355265653 429682 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wow < 1355265665 413255 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that one is brilliant < 1355265665 708520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even once browsers closed that hole, you can trick the user into disclosing it by making a fake CAPTCHA < 1355265678 655441 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just googled "unicode urinate" and got about half a dozen relevant hanzi. < 1355265679 576172 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its name is just EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D053 < 1355265686 195350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the gajillion hacks involving cached dat < 1355265687 332220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*data < 1355265700 877117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do something like try to fetch something and time it and see if it's cached? < 1355265709 421484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: hahahaha < 1355265713 681029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for telling me about this character < 1355265740 847030 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(full hieroglyphs chart: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U13000.pdf ) < 1355265761 501347 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly there is no COMBINING PENIS ABOVE, what you gonna do < 1355265777 811331 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355265808 744497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need some kind of combining character that makes other characters into combining characters < 1355265825 722857 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :determine a user's fetishes, for marketing purposes, by checking which hieroglyphs they have correct fonts for < 1355265859 24351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually unicode should specify a way to embed arbitrary instructions for the layout engine < 1355265864 275839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as berkeley packet filter programs < 1355265898 126693 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that tex? (we need an anti-mathnerd exploit, stat) < 1355265921 715563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/chromium/source/search?q=kRestrictedPorts < 1355265957 114623 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ, why don't they set up a whitelist instead if they're going to do that < 1355266001 182384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot 80 < 1355266004 508021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerous port that < 1355266028 369022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows the only port that still works on the internet is 443/tcp < 1355266074 941597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day all protocols below HTTP will be treated as mysterious technology left by a long dead alien civilization < 1355266129 962586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be hard to increase bandwidth if no-one knows how ethernet and ip and all that stuff works so they can make faster routers and switches < 1355266148 400749 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: memerr.pdf is fascinating stuff, thanks < 1355266173 624672 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :70%! < 1355266311 405439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are interested in hieroglyphics you should have the fonts for all hieroglyphs anyways. < 1355266342 249932 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355266351 626174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355266355 212770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think Unicode is making far more complicated than it should be, anyways. < 1355266358 934346 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355266383 70289 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355266549 915615 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree on the first point, would agree on the second if I could think of a better way ;-) < 1355266579 593407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should there be fonts for only some of the hieroglyphics? < 1355266631 391244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode does have some unnecessary complexity < 1355266657 215521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has a lot of unavoidable complexity thanks to its ambitious goal of representing all text in the world < 1355266676 717576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty of that task is often lost on english speaking programmers < 1355266684 275661 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure there *are* any such fonts? < 1355266696 457471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose language is basically the simplest case and is privileged by historical factors < 1355266732 545454 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a quick glance at the pages and pages of CJK stuff should shock some sense into such people ;-) < 1355266796 488312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah foreigners should just learn english if they want to use the internet < 1355266802 976421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what language you speak but I think Unicode is doing everything the wrong way anyways. < 1355266806 509971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare they cause a little extra work for rich english-speaking people in the first world < 1355266860 562772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find zzo38's viewpoint too offensive though because i can just substitute "HTTP" or "PDF" or "normal IRC clients" and it is still something he would say < 1355266861 866074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should not be required to learn English well anyways; a little bit ought to be sufficient. < 1355266866 438457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl going to buy cheeses < 1355266957 557472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you are writing a document in some other language it should still be allowed, although what encoding you use is whatever you use. Such as you might make up the font, and then print out the document, using such fonts, then it is readable. < 1355267055 824340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't because I don't like other languages; actually, I think English is just as bad. But that is not the point! I mean they shouldn't overcomplicate things. < 1355267176 540115 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you're not printing? For example, people conversing on IRC using various characters < 1355267207 96548 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∑(1/x) < 1355267245 59805 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀ fizzie ∃! fungot < 1355267245 804175 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: not in 1952. let handles it specially. monadzero was the perfect format for a timestamp. < 1355267298 855859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think computers should not need variable pitch font except for printing. < 1355267339 214286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well,私為一思that君should be可to使変物s様this. < 1355267365 612850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :㡕ኄڄᠤ薅? < 1355267402 122556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does unicode handle boustrephedon, anyway < 1355267421 232748 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355267463 369969 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1355267466 362494 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't :v < 1355267479 889953 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrors! < 1355267481 535581 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 QUIT :Quit: #rudolf .nose { color: red; background: url('very_shiny.jpg'); } < 1355267490 444555 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do a manual line break and override the bidi direction < 1355267531 42951 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355267705 275343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better way to design a universal character set anyways, would be, instead you can tell many things about it from the bits of the codepoint, and from information in the font files, and from formatting codes in the document, and should not require built-in tables to figure out what everything is, and the program does not need to support all of them anyways. < 1355267730 982909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the way the Unicode decided what character to put in and how it is put in, is also bad, even ignoring the code numbers and other stuff. < 1355267788 835023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is not such the bad encoding for the numbers, although any program that supports it should allow you to turn it off too, to use single-byte encoding. < 1355267872 198059 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are so many bits about a character < 1355267880 368474 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would end up with ridiculously long numbers < 1355267893 723566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just because of Unicode they put too many in. < 1355267914 596848 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Unicode wasn't designed in one go. You'd have to have lots of reserved codepoints for future expansion of each category < 1355267916 738784 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an initial BOM in the document lets you specifically state that the file is UTF-8 (or any other UTF really), so an application could use that to switch between UTF-8 and bytes automatically < 1355267919 611928 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make them even longer < 1355267940 798438 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, what would you have left out? < 1355267991 243947 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: finished reading the paper. Slightly disappointed they didn't drop a computer into a nuclear reactor, but still good fun < 1355268006 751215 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355268011 379800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I would leave out almost all of the character properties Unicode has. < 1355268055 352252 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you means properties < 1355268059 769326 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant characters themselves < 1355268276 451779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably eight categories, meaning three bits, is more than enough. One means control characters. < 1355268321 742302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now if a program wants to know something about a character that zzo38 omitted it has to have a big table again < 1355268353 385569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355268355 496813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :458) Taneb's been hit by melancholy. He didn't have any friends, fortunatel.y < 1355268357 896469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's my unique ID? < 1355268365 367513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should the program need to know about such things anyways? Some of the stuff needed to know can be stored with the fonts. < 1355268434 909152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, other things, depend on the program. < 1355268447 226158 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't most of the fonts be keeping duplicate information then? :-/ < 1355268497 888204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely properties such as script direction and which codepoint is the uppercase version of this one is more relevant to the charset than a font? < 1355268529 891212 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought typefaces were only supposed to be information about the graphical display. Stuff like whether a character is logically considered "whitespace" doesn't seem appropriate for a typeface. < 1355268541 87225 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your duplicate ID is this 96f5e4c4598813b8ac7fdc4e2ce9bd03 < 1355268541 160203 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355268541 160387 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unique < 1355268541 160578 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I typo "unique" as "duplicate"? < 1355268541 160687 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain no worky < 1355268542 648993 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even case-folding can be an "it's complicated" question in some writing systems < 1355268646 342005 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we have only one font full-stop, typefaces are for graphics design weenies B-) < 1355268665 906077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I elect Comic Sans. < 1355268729 349512 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1355268742 244815 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not.. webdings? < 1355268783 605084 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355268844 52656 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans all the way < 1355268844 617758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information such as what is uppercase version, should be stored in commands in the file of whatever the program is working with; TeX is working in this way, so is TeXnicard. < 1355268878 281506 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007 < 1355268950 849324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also notice that no matter what you include the character set, some information may be specific to some programs so they may not be complete anyways. For example, TeXnicard also need to know which letters can be used as roman numerals. < 1355268982 993306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In TeX this is hard-coded; in TeXnicard it can be set up by the user.) < 1355269847 913555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | grep zzo38 | shuf < 1355269849 889165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28) I am not on the moon. \ 333) Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose. \ 815) Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please \ 182) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Av < 1355269870 497364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 182 < 1355269872 341630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :182) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1355269892 593458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :182 should be editor to remove "zzo38: ". < 1355269905 851293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355269966 664121 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1355269981 378145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foul! No synonyms! < 1355269989 558630 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355270158 30373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be true that it would be better to remove "zzo38: " from that quotation, but I don't think you should just change everything like that. < 1355270174 744196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever flown an aeroplane? < 1355270221 336430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have been on an aeroplane a few times in the past. < 1355270272 34046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you piloted one, I think he means < 1355270296 20909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be what you meant, but I wasn't sure. < 1355270300 475948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not piloted one.