00:00:33 Well, if they have a cryptography library that is standard, they should definitely have euler's totient <-- calculating euler's totient requires you to factorize, iirc 00:02:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 00:03:57 good goatkcd today 00:04:31 haha, it is 00:12:06 "Somebody should make Goat-Alt-Del" 00:14:11 wouldn't that be just ctrl-alt-del 00:20:00 kmc: can you help me write a haskell function 00:20:20 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:22:58 https://twitter.com/PLT_Zizek so 00:23:00 kmc: is that a yes 00:23:13 Bike: good yes i like plt_zizek 00:23:14 at least 00:23:16 I remember liking plt_zizek 00:24:31 https://twitter.com/PLT_Zizek/status/174508222684737536 well you see 00:25:15 hahaha 00:25:47 Bike: those are precisely my interests too 00:26:12 this is pretty god 00:26:13 good 00:26:44 'Large parts of PLT can be explained by simple Pavlovian conditioning. Java uses objects and is painful, so objects are associated with pain.' 00:26:47 yes this all the time 00:26:58 mysql / python threads / etc 00:27:10 also https://twitter.com/PLT_Molyneux https://twitter.com/PLTAlaindeB 00:27:18 i've heard people say that about lisp (and long ugly paren-full arithmetic expressions) 00:27:21 I think PLT_Borat was the first 00:27:25 am i a plt communist 00:27:33 is there PLT_Marx 00:27:39 https://twitter.com/PLT_Borat 00:27:52 kmc: apparently no 00:27:54 you get to start it 00:28:04 wowowowowow 00:28:08 when i googled "plt marx" Duck Soup came up, so I think that's a victory 00:28:12 i will make so many 'class consciousness' jokes 00:28:34 kmc would start PLT_ebooks 00:28:48 truly, enterprise fetishism is killing the proletariats 00:29:53 i fell in love with the first gimmick twitter account that i met who could appreciate georges bataille 00:30:18 i love gimmick twitter accounts 00:30:27 -!- ais523 has quit. 00:30:39 theory: all gimmick twitter accounts are actually run by continental philosophers 00:30:43 shachaf: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090501163307/othertitles/images/a/ab/Let's_Run_This_Shit_Into_the_Ground.gif 00:31:14 "The imagery of the novel is built upon a series of metaphors which in turn refer to philosophical constructs developed in his work: the eye, the egg, the sun, the earth, the testicle." cool 00:31:17 kmc: I thought I already had? 00:31:37 also the actual Žižek was on Julian Assange's talk show 00:31:45 they prank called David Horowitz at home 00:32:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:33:11 kmc: "the actual Žižek" 00:33:13 what a ludicrous notion 00:33:15 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 00:33:56 `addquote i fell in love with the first gimmick twitter account that i met who could appreciate georges bataille 00:33:59 914) i fell in love with the first gimmick twitter account that i met who could appreciate georges bataille 00:34:53 Horowitz is one crazy motherfucker 00:35:13 within a few minutes he had blamed "Democrats and the international Left" for the Iraq War 00:36:14 Is his justification hilarious or just nonexistent 00:36:26 i don't remember anything coherent 00:36:35 no PLT_Jesus either!! 00:37:34 «Horowitz also founded the organization Students for Academic Freedom, whose self-stated goal is combating "leftist indoctrination" in academia.» good, good 00:38:04 kmc: is PLT_marx registered yet 00:38:18 don't think so 00:38:31 you're too slow 00:38:31 Bike: he was raised by communists iirc 00:38:35 and helped the black panthers kill somebody 00:38:40 awesome 00:38:43 and then kinda... made a 180° turn at speed 00:39:05 elliott: surprise i don't actually want to run a gimmick Twitter account 00:39:32 you need to run it? i thought you'd just set up a bot to search/replace on das kapital occasionally 00:39:53 heh 00:40:29 well, i guess that would be PLT_Marx_ebooks, which is one of the more specialized jokes I couuld think of 00:40:35 'the platitude that male sexism is keeping women from entering CS only reinforces the notion that the field belongs to men by default' 00:40:43 kind of interesting to consider this one 00:40:45 i don't think it's true though 00:40:59 i mean it's not about who the field 'belongs to', just who dominates it right now 00:41:27 I think it's less "the platitude" and more that, whenever someone brings the topic up, a ton of guys come out of the woodwork and argue about it and don't actually let women talk 00:41:38 Bike: plt_marx_ebooks sounds worth registering a twitter account to follow 00:41:59 yeah, zizek is sometimes sort of... uh... bad, that way. apparently he said romani were the problem in europe or something. i'd rather just stick with listening to social scientists and activists on those subjects probably 00:42:12 Fiora: yeah 00:42:23 elliott: does the "wants to listen to incoherent marxist anecdotes, replaced with PLT jargon" demographic exist outside of this channel 00:42:37 unfortunately there are often no women around, whether they want to talk about it or not 00:42:37 Bike: um, like, everyone in the world? 00:42:46 ok granted 00:42:48 not so much on the internet but in these IRL communities with serious gender bias 00:43:18 kmc: basically it reminds me of this http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-m,2338/ 00:44:18 yeah 00:44:43 i can see that 00:44:44 I mean I guess I experience this a lot myself, I see discussions on the topic but they feel very uncomfortable to enter, and the few times I've tried I often get shut down 00:44:51 (mostly online but still) 00:44:56 yeah 00:45:33 there's also the single obligatory woman who insists that she speaks for all women and her experience is everyone else's and sexism doesn't happen in CS and hey boys do you like me yet do you like me 00:45:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:45:38 yeah 00:45:39 and then all the guys latch onto that and use it as "proof" 00:45:53 self-sustaining cycle etc <_> 00:46:01 haha that onion article 00:46:20 yeah, that article is. I don't know. just simultaneously completely hilarious and depressing 00:46:24 good article 00:47:54 -!- augur has joined. 00:49:09 i don't know, when I read say http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/White_Knighting or http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Splaining i feel basically like i must be part of the problem no matter how hard I try and so I should keep my mouth shut 00:50:13 um... I guess a good start (just in general, not even sexism specifically) is to never talk over the people the discussion is about 00:50:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:50:37 right 00:50:51 but as you said, it can be really difficult and uncomfortable for those people to enter the conversation 00:50:54 like if a black person says something about racial issues it's not your job to say they're wrong or disagree 00:50:56 well like you said it's not always obvious that you're doing that, like, if yeah well that. 00:51:24 especially on the internet when it's not obvious who you're talking to, and in front of... 00:52:05 ... I think... I guess one thing is when people take up adversarial positions against " 00:52:07 Fiora: Why not? 00:52:18 that makes it uncomfortable for people of the oppressed group to enter the conversation 00:52:24 why not what? 00:52:56 shachaf: basically, assuming you're not a PoC, you haven't experienced the racism a PoC has, so you can't really tell a PoC that his or her experiences are invalid. 00:53:25 Well, telling anyone their experiences are invalid is pretty silly. 00:53:32 i'm more concerned about situations where i'm trying to come out against racism / sexism / whatever but still come off as a privileged douchebag due to some faux pas 00:54:13 there seems to be a really fine line here and it scares me and makse me want to avoid getting involved at all 00:54:34 I think that the fact that you're worrying about that means you're probably reasonably okay 00:54:36 same here, for what it's worth 00:55:22 i usually avoid being involved unless it's a conversation like this. I'm too nervous to say "you shouldn't talk about Arabs that way" or whatever. 00:55:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:56:21 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 00:57:28 it's kind of a viscious cycle equally though, since if none of the guys who are unsure of themselves say anything, the only guys who end up being in the conversation are the douchenozzles 00:57:38 who are the most frustrating to talk with 00:57:44 oh well I will just try to read more and understand more 00:58:04 i am kind of new to caring about this stuff at all 00:58:12 maybe it's just because i'm friends with people who are cooler than me who care about it 00:58:27 Fiora: well then I say things and get into arguments with people I like. oops :( 00:58:35 not sure if that's an intrinsically dumb reason or if it's basically how most social progress happens 00:58:39 or both 00:58:50 someone cooler than kmc? 00:58:52 you mean anyone? 00:58:55 BBBUUURNNNNN 00:59:11 ＩＣＥＢＵＲＮ 00:59:38 * Fiora hugs Bike. sorry for that :< 00:59:49 kmc: well i don't recall any major social changes for minorities being lead by people not in those minorities, so maybe taking the sideline is appropriate 01:00:22 i'd just rather be the quiet white guy in the march than the guys MLK wrote Birmingham too, i guess 01:00:27 to* 01:01:19 yeah i'm not expecting to lead anything 01:01:49 I feel like on a small-scale level, like with a particular community or the like, or an office, or so on 01:01:54 that making it a good environment is a responsibility of the majority 01:02:05 the minority can't really fix it in any meaningful way 01:02:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 01:02:35 well they sort of can, in yelling at the majority to shape up, but that's hard and the onus shouldn't be on them 01:02:44 and if nobody does anything you get things like tvtropes where a steady inflow of creeps scared off everyone else who used the site 01:02:58 oh i didn't know about that :( 01:03:00 or reddit where it started as like this cool site about programming things years ago and eventually became horrible 01:03:15 to be fair reddit isn't one community, it's thousands 01:03:21 probably they are mostly terrible though 01:03:35 it's just like, in my experience the kind of people who cause problems for communities are had to get rid of, while the people they bother are quick to leave 01:04:43 what i meant by "how most social progress happens" is that I think there's a distributed shift of opinion among the majority / privileged group, that occurs as a result of hard work and sacrifice by the oppressed 01:04:49 kmc: I've had a reddit account for ~2007 and I can assure you the vast majority are terrible now. 01:05:00 I don't even read anything but /r/haskell now. 01:05:01 but the thing is, like 01:05:05 Sometimes /r/programming but exclusively to laugh at idiots. 01:05:05 for society as a whole, you can't leave society 01:05:15 but in a community, people who are frustrated with things just leave 01:05:19 Fiora: Well, you can... 01:05:21 so i can try to be a better filter for ideas, rejecting the ones that are less fair and passing on the better ones 01:05:23 kmc: tvtropes is a long boring internet drama story, but probably sort of instructive in that what happened might be summed up as the premier rule being "be nice", and having that used largely to e.g. shut down angry responses to calm neocolonial dickwads 01:05:37 it also got filled with creepy pedophiles and stuff 01:05:45 and the admins wouldn't do anything about it 01:05:51 Bike: :( 01:05:58 and since users couldn't do anything either, the sane people slowly left 01:06:00 so, stupid internet version of police shutting down protests in alabama, if that makes sense 01:06:14 > fix (\x -> 2:scanl (+) x) 01:06:15 Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' with actual type `[b0] -> [a1]' 01:06:16 yeah it is hard to run any group bigger than a dozen people on "be nice" 01:06:19 Fiora: I heard something about them trying to clean stuff up recently. 01:06:23 > fix (\x -> 2:scanl (+) 0 x) 01:06:24 But I don't know what happened to it. 01:06:24 [2,0,2,2,4,6,10,16,26,42,68,110,178,288,466,754,1220,1974,3194,5168,8362,13... 01:06:31 fast eddie just decided to randomly delete pages he didn't like 01:06:37 like he deleted Lolita (later reverted) 01:06:39 Wait, what sort of sequence is this 01:06:44 i'm not sure why nerd groups seem to favor rule by platitudes, "be nice" or "be excellent to each other" or whatever 01:06:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:06:56 Is it double the fibonacci numbers 01:06:59 > fix (\x -> scanl (+) 0 x) 01:07:00 watching a lot of cartoons instead of reading Darkness at Noon? 01:07:01 [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,... 01:07:01 but yeah it was kind f a mess and I probably don't want to go into all the details >_< 01:07:04 > fix (\x -> scanl (+) 1 x) 01:07:05 [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... 01:07:08 clear, reasonably specific rules have a lot of advantages 01:07:12 > fix (\x -> scanl (*2) 1 x) 01:07:13 Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b0 = b0 -> b0 01:07:18 > fix (\x -> scanl (*) 1 x) 01:07:20 [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,... 01:07:21 kmc: because you can justify anything you want if the rules are that vague? 01:07:23 > fix (\x -> scanl (*) 3 x) 01:07:24 [3,9,81,6561,43046721,1853020188851841,3433683820292512484657849089281,1179... 01:07:26 I guess it's just like. it's really hard to fix a community after you've already scared off most everyone 01:07:37 FreeFull: make a scanl for the goodstein sequence. thanks 01:07:39 elliott: sure but why do the majority, who don't aspire to dictatorial power, go along? 01:07:56 i can understand why "be nice" is a great rule for sociopaths 01:08:03 they can get whatever they want while appearing nice 01:08:07 kmc: it seems pretty sensible if you haven't thought about rules much. 01:08:23 a lot of communities seem to believe that rules are just THE MAN KEEPING US DOWN 01:08:33 yeah. 01:08:40 Bike: What is the goodstein sequence 01:08:51 man-down-keeping is more complicated than "the man exists", but that's an easy scapegoat. 01:09:05 there seems to be a thing where the more set-in-stone the rules are the more people are able to weasel their way around them 01:09:12 FreeFull: try wikipedia. (it grows fast) 01:09:16 Fiora: hm, that's true 01:09:25 like I know some friends who used to hang around GITP and they said it had exactly that problem, that people would take advantage of the rules to get other people hit by mods 01:09:32 kmc: well have you noticed that most nerds are terrible 01:09:33 what's GITP? 01:09:42 giant int he playground, some webcomic/gaming forum thing 01:09:47 elliott: i've noticed that most of everything is terrible, do you think we could derive it from that 01:09:50 kmc: that said plenty of nerds do like involved detailed rules! 01:09:54 cf. wikipedia 01:09:55 compare to like, somethingawful, where the rules are pretty vague and the mods will ban people for being dumb 01:10:04 which is also unimaginably terrible 01:10:04 and people who try to weasel the rules will get banned more for weaseling the rules 01:10:10 do you think SA's community is functional? 01:10:12 Fiora: that's why it's important (i think) to keep the human element in, like how court cases are ruled by judges and juries who, ideally, hear enough about the case to make an informed decision - rather than robotic "enforcement" 01:10:14 it seemed pretty good when I was hanging out there 01:10:19 I'm not sure, but it seems vaguely okay 01:10:23 I'm not part of it but I know people who are 01:10:24 but it's essentially a dictatorial oligopoly 01:10:31 kmc: it's pretty functional as internet communities go, so not that functional but reasonable 01:10:39 maybe that's fine given that they are not responsible for anyone's livelihood (well...) 01:10:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 01:10:47 it has a lot of terrible people but the mods seem to utterly revel in banning them 01:11:07 they actually are sometimes. They've banned this guy three or four times who ended up in Libya and Syria getting shot at. (tangent) 01:11:15 Bike: I'm not writing that function 01:11:24 FreeFull: weeeeeak 01:11:31 Bike: You do it 01:11:37 it's really a pretty brilliant business model, they must have made thousands and thousands of dollars off like, horrible MRAs who keep re-registering and getting banned again 01:11:45 yeah 01:11:58 though if you do something truly awful they will perma-ban you and try to prevent you from evading 01:12:05 i think someone tallied it up once and Ironic War Criminal had dropped like four hundred dollars on the placew 01:12:09 place 01:12:37 some people also put money in intentionally 01:12:41 it's a semi-effective way of assigning consequences to actions, i think, and that sort of doesn't happen on a lot of the internet 01:12:41 post BAN ME threads etc 01:12:56 get banned due to Toxx clause 01:13:03 toxxing makes no damn sense 01:13:10 or is it... the best 01:13:17 yeah, I've never understood that, it's this weird egotistical thing 01:13:21 but it makes lowtax tons of money? 01:13:23 THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST 01:13:27 just sayin'. 01:13:27 well it's definitely the best. just to watch people accidentally toxx themselves for both Ron Paul and Obama. 01:14:12 though i think my favorite thing there was the guy accidentally posting in the third party candidate thread, and weaseling out of it by picking a third party in NY that nominated Obama. 01:14:23 possibly this is remotely more on topic to rule-following?? 01:15:37 heh 01:15:47 Bike: you still have hang-ops about off-topic chat in #esoteric? 01:15:57 total newbei 01:15:59 also, newbie 01:16:06 elliott: haha, I mean, I'd rather talk about rules than about SA trivia 01:16:49 possibly this leads into an esolang based on vehmic courts? i dunno 01:17:46 esolang based on bicycles 01:17:54 bicycle day 01:18:09 its like taxi 01:18:09 but eco 01:19:28 and ero 01:22:13 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:22:58 'Hatoful Boyfriend is an otome visual novel/dating sim created by Hato Moa that features pigeons as characters rather than the more common human anime characters.' 01:23:06 that's right, a dating sim where you date pigeons 01:23:28 in post-apocalyptic japan 01:23:30 fiora, wasn't there a pun in "hato moa" somewhere? 01:23:40 "hato" means pigeon 01:23:43 so "hatoful boyfriend" is a pun 01:23:45 and a moa is a bird 01:23:48 so hato moa is another pun 01:23:58 deep 01:23:58 kmc, isn't that the one with the horrifying murder ending 01:24:09 only if you romance the good doctor. 01:24:12 kmc: it's sort of a silly gimmick game, it's not serious 01:24:23 like a "look I can make a dating sim with pigeons!" game 01:24:25 Fiora, horrifying murder endings are serious! 01:24:34 the main character is a hunter gatherer anyway, presumably they are used to murder and being murdered 01:24:49 but it is pretty hilarious XD 01:25:17 sure 01:25:19 i figured as much 01:25:42 maybe i like pigeons too much 01:25:46 -!- Bike_ has joined. 01:25:49 -!- augur has joined. 01:26:04 kmc, could you perhaps be called a pigeon fancier 01:26:07 there are some pretty ridiculous professionally made ones though 01:26:15 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:26:17 Fiora: you sure it's not serious? they came up with a whole backstory to justify sapient pigeons 01:26:20 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 01:26:23 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 01:26:42 `addquote maybe i like pigeons too much 01:26:44 XD 01:26:45 915) maybe i like pigeons too much 01:27:00 like the one where world leaders are genderswapped and turned into bishoujo characters and you date them or something 01:27:18 including obama and putin 01:27:19 I've heard the manga of Das Kapital is actually pretty good. 01:27:22 -!- augur has joined. 01:27:42 `addquote I've heard the manga of Das Kapital is actually pretty good. 01:27:44 it's add lots of quotes day 01:27:45 916) I've heard the manga of Das Kapital is actually pretty good. 01:27:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:28:28 http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/1805 <-- this is a doujinshi that tells the story of the communist revolution in russia and china (and the cultural revolution) 01:28:45 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Time to sleep). 01:28:51 it has lin biao and mao and everything 01:29:00 oh it's not the one by kago 01:29:06 http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/fb46e9e8cc39d20f88867d5f4909b29a.jpg 01:29:14 it's the one with the "criticize Ran campaign" ("criticize Lin campaign") 01:29:35 Is it double the fibonacci numbers <-- yes, starting at index -1 01:31:22 "why did you wind up here, lady patchuli?" "for criticizing sakuya" "how about you?" "for supporting miss sakuya" "and you?" "I am sakuya" 01:31:49 that was... wait what happened in 1953 I am bad at history 01:31:55 Death of stalin, right! 01:32:10 the sino-soviet split was before that right 01:32:22 no, wait, that's way too early... 01:32:31 yeah, that was later I think? 01:32:45 prc wasn't really off the ground in 1953 anyway 01:33:11 I suppose that makes sakuya laverentiy beria 01:33:37 that would probably terrify me if i knew who sakuya was? or something. 01:33:40 kmc: Can you figure out this class for me? 01:33:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:35:17 doubtful 01:35:45 -!- monqy has joined. 01:36:24 kmc: :( 01:36:25 you are terrible 01:36:41 kmc: You should start a Haskell blog and call it mainisusuallyanioaction 01:37:53 -!- augur has joined. 01:43:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:48:42 womp womp 01:50:22 is that kmc's way of telling about smbc updates? 01:50:56 hm apparently that's a phrase 01:51:40 it's like http://www.sadtrombone.com/ 01:51:48 what does it have to do with smbc? 01:52:04 oh boy a new twitter follower 01:52:09 is it me 01:52:22 Seems to be. 01:52:26 woah 01:52:31 is it a spam bot 01:52:40 Twitter sends me emails from n-punpuns=...twitter.com 01:52:43 Er, funpuns 01:53:39 monqy: maybe 01:55:17 my sauerkraut tastes like iron 01:56:16 https://twitter.com/funpuns # shachaf 01:56:30 monqy: amazing twitter account must see ^ 01:56:30 elliott: ................................................ 01:56:39 who did this 01:56:43 its so good 01:56:50 at least 17.5x better than any twitter account you could make 01:57:15 very good twitter 01:57:20 shachaf this is brilliant how did you come up with this 01:57:50 monqy: help 01:57:55 is this "your doing" 01:59:53 kmc: what's your preferred commenting method in irc lines 01:59:57 I used to use ;; a lot 02:00:03 sometimes I use -- I think 02:00:07 how do you mean 02:00:16 as in when you want to comment something out on an IRC line 02:00:27 https://twitter.com/search?q=%23funpuns 02:00:27 for instance to annotate a URL or respond to a quoted message that might otherwise be confusing to simply follow with text 02:00:32 "its a phenomenon" 02:00:38 C1,1 02:00:43 elliott: blah blah 02:00:48 "symmetric" 02:00:54 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:01:04 xml-irc pun 02:01:05 monqy: what's that ......... 02:01:09 hi 02:01:10 that 02:01:11 that 02:01:13 HELP 02:01:14 02:01:16 that 02:01:19 uhh 02:01:20 02:01:22 augh 02:01:23 uhh what's this 02:01:26 help 02:01:32 monqy 02:01:34 monqy: how did you get that C 02:01:37 nooo it didn't work 02:01:40 C 02:01:40 that inverted C 02:01:42 yes 02:01:42 that 02:01:47 with reverse video 02:01:50 elliott: how did you get that I? 02:01:52 whats the "key combo" again 02:01:54 shachaf: 02:01:56 ^V 02:01:56 ^V, in irssi 02:02:02 videot 02:02:11 fjfj 02:02:12 right 02:02:14 that's ^V^V for me 02:02:19 oh no 02:02:23 do you use "screen/tmux" 02:02:57 oh i have bind on escape_char 02:03:04 er, i have ^V on that. why do i have ^V on that 02:03:21 shachaf: no, I rebound ^V in irssi 02:03:22 I use dtach 02:03:25 escape from monqy island 02:03:42 Escape was the worst Monkey Island game by a large margin. 02:03:42 ????????? 02:03:47 what does it have to do with smbc? <-- only place i've seen the phrase before 02:04:15 herrrrr 02:04:17 yeah there we go. 02:04:18 -!- augur has joined. 02:04:52 02:04:54 help 02:05:03 why is V = 02:05:14 02:05:17 huh. dumb. 02:05:30 elliott: what did you bind ^V to 02:05:39 02:05:34 ^V escape_char 02:06:02 more important than escapes imo 02:06:11 Bike: escapes are useful! 02:06:19 i have escape on ^Q because ~emacs~ 02:06:21 Fiora: thank you for putting up with my questions / rambling earlier, by the way 02:06:27 Bike: pfft emacs 02:06:50 elliott: but seriously if you delete the binding you'll be able to reverse video in one keystroke 02:07:19 Bike: reverse video is a tool to be used lightly 02:07:37 02:07:42 blasphemer 02:08:27 owwwww 02:08:39 the little blasphemer 02:08:45 the cool thing is you can pick any two numbers and it looks hideous, you don't even need to remember anything. 02:08:55 kmc: You should use _The Little Schemer_ in your class! 02:09:01 Or maybe _The Little Prince_ 02:09:08 or both. use both 02:09:08 kmc: jeez, I enjoy talking with you, don't worry about it 02:09:23 Fiora: Ha! 02:09:27 yay :) 02:09:28