< 1363046908 378724 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363046932 53591 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363047404 110185 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363047608 428788 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363047810 43512 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363050445 46325 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363050446 764337 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hey stop torturing yourself < 1363050451 931536 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait for an answer < 1363050463 165640 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050467 494459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got an email from the recruiter < 1363050475 615273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it say < 1363050483 426041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I will check. I'm not sure. What time is your internship interview?' < 1363050560 414740 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sounds good < 1363050604 862129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in those three sentences make you think you've screwed yourself over? < 1363050702 251355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part where I received the email after saying that I feel like I screwed myself over. < 1363050812 193269 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363050897 793693 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050937 354541 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050938 176309 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363052297 794774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1363052634 932719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Dungeons&Dragons game today. < 1363052649 241456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite advance experience level just yet < 1363052655 944086 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363053188 49928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget. zzo38, do you read OOTS? < 1363053374 269782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1363053390 392986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read books, mostly < 1363053478 178457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to find the stuff that they took, along with various other things, so we took back our stuff and left everything else there, and then teleport away, twice, which helps. They had some magic alarm in there but I managed to turn it off < 1363053525 692028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first I want to see if it has a resonant frequency; maybe that can be used. < 1363055173 667239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363055782 737184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait to be able to eat! < 1363055891 919754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your mouth currently glued together < 1363055904 698456 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363055993 184267 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's mostly tape < 1363056002 225452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being slightly poetic >.>. Just waiting for food to cook. < 1363056010 332958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for water to boil, after which food will be cooking. < 1363056586 69534 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle the < 1363056586 258778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts the :: Eq a => [a] -> a < 1363056586 408565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Strict thead :: Html -> Html < 1363056586 408673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Frameset thead :: Html -> Html < 1363056590 200917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363056595 263898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the [1,2,3] < 1363056596 783811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `the' < 1363056633 992873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> GHC.Exts.the [3,4,5] < 1363056636 58537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `GHC.Exts.the' < 1363056641 708096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1363056679 764144 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363056769 80498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the element of the list if they're all equal < 1363056770 690742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise an error < 1363056801 376992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1363056818 657549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363056854 794198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why frown < 1363056907 891938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors are ugly < 1363056913 395171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like something that needs to be in GHC.Exts ... < 1363056927 55759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used by one of the sugars < 1363056934 150134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "SQL-like" extended list comprehensions < 1363059166 390121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a friend of mine is thinking of buying a house in EPA! < 1363059181 298685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says the crime rate is a lot lower than it used to be < 1363059189 394496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :school districts are still bad but he isn't planning to have kids < 1363059365 160920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also says the violence is mostly criminals killing each other < 1363059390 442667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the kind of statement that makes me uncomfortable in a social sense, but is probably ok as part of the personal calculation on where to buy a house < 1363059677 977601 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1363060191 705644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If criminals want to kill each other, well, that is why they are criminals. Just hope they don't kill the other people who are not the criminals that are killing each other all the time. If they are ciminal then hopefully the police catch them and take them to jail, and then kill each other while they are in there (as long as they don't kill the "small" criminals) it makes the police work less job! There is good and bad to good and bad things too. < 1363060243 726658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wow dude. < 1363060285 875578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why criminals should only kill each other while in jail. Outside of jail, they should be prevented to do so and should get caught by police instead. < 1363060340 183575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to buy a house, that isn't the point. < 1363060346 825250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in jail, it should be an arena < 1363060348 509001 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :with cameras < 1363060352 475545 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entertainment < 1363060361 633799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, let's make it an island < 1363060362 289975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Yes; security cameras. < 1363060381 523346 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the cameras safeguard security and peace < 1363060392 392318 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the populace will watch the games and will be peaceful < 1363060414 692781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: No, I mean an ordinary jail, not an island. < 1363060422 139773 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but I don't < 1363060445 16174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point to buying a house is: how much it cost, how much you are nearby what you need to go to, how many rooms the house have, and so on. < 1363060478 505885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a very different universe where every point in space were independent from all others, white noise images would be common place." < 1363060481 666292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't care if your house was right next to a slaughterhouse? < 1363060499 551407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: How much noise does a slaughterhouse make? < 1363060515 302337 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: lots, constant squeals of pain and death and fear < 1363060517 952568 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would probably violate zoning restrictions. though i live next to a butcher and it's quite tolerable < 1363060523 622694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, do you mean the white noise universe? < 1363060534 46026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a white noise universe? < 1363060542 135091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Then I suppose if there is a lot of noise I wouldn't want to live there too much. < 1363060581 514279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you zzo38 < 1363060591 278613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thzo38? < 1363060598 112999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda hard to pronounce. < 1363060644 791975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people get around zoning restrictions that are put in place after the house is already built, by jacking the roof up several metres and then change the basement, change each part individually until you made an entirely new house, which still violates the zoning rule but is considered OK because you just changed the old house, rather than making the new one. < 1363060660 889461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1363061650 395386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that leap seconds should be mentioned on Snopes. < 1363061679 304045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are some minutes with 61 seconds" totally sounds like a silly idea of the type that Snopes would debunk < 1363061703 198925 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time suxxx < 1363061889 671633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what time does the pope start? < 1363061932 325868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, has the conclave finished? < 1363062057 31408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't started < 1363062103 53387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass begins in 4 hours, and after that the conclave will begin with a single round of voting < 1363062109 806313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4 per day until there is a winner < 1363062223 692901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you know they had February 30 in Sweden in 1712 < 1363062293 1691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i guess that answers zzo38's question < 1363062308 435336 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363062318 90796 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: did you know that between popes, the vatican insignia include a striped umbrella < 1363062324 161973 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sede_vacante.svg < 1363062468 323091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :america's next top pope < 1363062500 286418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, wasn't benny unpopular with the americans? < 1363062517 164666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about popes tbh < 1363062527 624368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was unpopular with me and all my friends but... < 1363062573 900724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly thinking of Beaton's comics about John Paul II, not that she's American < 1363062822 416736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more that JPII was unusually popular < 1363062878 475350 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363062900 574909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As part of his special emphasis on the universal call to holiness, he beatified 1,340 people and canonised 483 saints, more than the combined tally of his predecessors during the preceding five centuries" dang < 1363062960 626172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than a full calendar's worth of saints < 1363062980 943502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never been clear on how saint days work anyway < 1363063009 412891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if during the eleventh century or so some guy was like "uh, guys? we have a thousand years worth of saints here, how can we have so many feast days if you keep canonizing people" < 1363063067 233146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363063197 819229 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363063601 869523 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363064409 377055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could make one day with many saints, I suppose, if they need to. < 1363064435 874688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including fictitious saints, if they want to, but usually they have removed them from the calendar in those cases. < 1363064615 312902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as Filumena) < 1363065024 598638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However: The removal of an individual from the calendar does not necessarily indicate that he or she is not a saint. < 1363065668 106343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is not really known if Filumena existed or not; there is evidence both ways.) < 1363065763 121639 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's just showing me a 1946 play... < 1363065822 432552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just thought of a real-world use case for newLIsp :/ < 1363065879 976042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What such use? < 1363065881 340059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or partly anyway -- I think Smalltalk could do it too, but then maybe macros are also useful < 1363065905 442452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you want a continuation-based web server that can serialize the continuations < 1363065921 884067 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good supposition < 1363065922 231114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newLisp can easily serialize any part of its state, if I understand correctly. < 1363065936 133050 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363065968 124873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it needs to scale up a lot and storing the continuations so storing all the continuations in memory isn't feasible, or something) < 1363068010 77969 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363068010 266220 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1363068031 761016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay you! < 1363068040 427152 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys < 1363068050 283335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, what is it, please? < 1363068054 153181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Cutay < 1363068060 711020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Cu02tay:14 Welc08ome to the inte07rnational hub for05 esoteric 05programm09in11g 07langu11age d14esign and d13epl10oyment! 14For more02 03infor08matio09n, check out our02 wi10ki:03 htt10p://esolangs.or06g/wiki/Main_Page. (For 14the ot12her 04kind of esoterica, t02ry #esot02eric on ir07c.dal.net.) < 1363068064 421248 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up < 1363068083 109908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cutay: The ceiling is up, and the light is up, and the sky is up. < 1363068100 425221 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's not what I ment < 1363068106 426694 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PART :#esoteric < 1363068116 743523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haaaaa. < 1363068150 835542 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The z axis is up. < 1363068168 128011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y, surely < 1363068177 709751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPS satellites are up! < 1363068206 399176 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to me most of them are probably pretty far to the left or something. < 1363068229 99678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What axis you want to be up, depends on your coordinate system < 1363068257 233187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I plot the GPS satellites on the horoscope? < 1363068281 896615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they geosynchronous? < 1363068286 704760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they're orbits are close to ecliptic... < 1363068293 702020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not afair < 1363068312 965643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1363068317 833616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the ecliptic < 1363068354 895847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have to be close to the ecliptic, to know their ecliptic longitude < 1363068369 781788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to plot the GPS satellites on the map of the world (giving their hour angle and declination) < 1363068434 888383 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're not geosynchronyous they must have to keep track of where they are in their orbits, hm < 1363068533 320391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The map of the world showing the hour angle and declination of the objects, together with their rising/setting/midheaven/nadir lines, are sometimes called "astro-graph" or "astro-map". < 1363068548 204271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think geosynchronous orbits would be _awful_ for triangulating - they're all in the same circle < 1363068563 951989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are GPS satellites geosynchronous? < 1363068570 555319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't you just have them in different positions? < 1363068577 104255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what i'm pointing out < 1363068581 81525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd have one over New York and one over Mexico City or whatever < 1363068600 447472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: _all_ geosynchronous orbits are 20000 km over the equator < 1363068606 636998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1363068609 597253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363068613 379343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363068625 219030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... pretty obvious, isn't it < 1363068629 505875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363068635 498909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't use geosynchronous orbits for triangulation, then it would be the idea that if you have satellites that need triangulation, remember to don't make them geosynchronous, please. < 1363068643 832338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do. < 1363068683 605850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are over the equator, then I think their declination will be zero. What are their right ascension? < 1363068696 746363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, what is their hour angle? < 1363068699 66870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing - if you were close to the equator and they were all over it, then even with perfect conditions you wouldn't be able to distinguish south of equator from north of equator < 1363068720 913559 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363068725 759810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by symmetry it would give the same signal times < 1363068741 569875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it, i get it >_< < 1363068747 58657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363068748 55209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD < 1363068750 973366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes sense. < 1363068771 65163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't launch a geolocation satellite network into orbits above the equator, i swear < 1363068774 739220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinky promise < 1363068785 174218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363068785 992720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they cannot be. although i _do_ recall that the russian GLONASS satellites supposedly have better covering over the poles. < 1363068990 68501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I would like to plot these artificial objects in horoscopes and astromaps, and for objects with cameras, including the camera too. < 1363069005 36898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any software that will do such things. < 1363069032 606442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no software to track the positions of artificial satellites? < 1363069055 642655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There probably are, but not to create charts like I described. < 1363069060 247065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eh, I don't know much astrology, but don't they move relatively kinda fast for astrology anyway? Planets are bad enough. < 1363069062 994696 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How GPS does it is the satellites *themselves* send you the positions. < 1363069083 350482 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC the datastream contains the telemetry for all the satellites at the time) < 1363069094 238787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The moon moves much faster, and houses move much faster than that. The speed at which they move isn't the point though. < 1363069120 724972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The houses move simply because the Earth rotates.) < 1363069172 428185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they'd change all the time. < 1363069185 45469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GLONASS is rising in the house of the lion for two seconds, or whatever < 1363069208 965869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they would change all the time, but that doesn't mean they don't have any coordinates! < 1363069506 548602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some corrections and things, but I don't know how difficult that makes it to predict their positions in the future? < 1363069806 657096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1363069834 910285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1363069868 760703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people wanted to remove Pluto from their horoscopes because it is not a planet. That is silly; just because it is not a planet, does not mean that it does not have any coordinates. < 1363069897 346125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A valid reason to remove Pluto would be if you wanted to avoid plotting too many objects at once.) < 1363069939 513061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with me about what reason is silly and what is valid? < 1363069963 816655 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that I want to know the sign of which pluton I was born under. < 1363070019 228366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can calculate that easily with the correct software. < 1363070046 907618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the ecliptic longitude of Pluto at the time of your birth? < 1363070063 284505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The astrological signs are just an angular unit of measurement for ecliptic longitude.) < 1363070079 478964 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not pluton, what do you call those things... < 1363070095 912037 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plutino. < 1363070109 649484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you mean Plutino. < 1363070150 253031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your request does not make a lot of sense, as it is written. Please be more specific. < 1363070174 776810 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are usually born under the sign of some planet, right? < 1363070182 165447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several plutinos. < 1363070188 346367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. < 1363070208 900166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1363070215 497513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the sign you are born "under" actually refers to the ecliptic longitude of the sun at the time of your birth. < 1363070234 973035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sign you would actually be directly underneath would be the midheaven sign, not the sun sign. < 1363070259 114532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planets are said to rule certain signs (this is all arbitrary), but the signs are not planets. < 1363070266 344242 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midheaven has a cooler name. < 1363070290 449720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some possible system of drawing a bijection between when you were born and a plutino? < 1363070343 622787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be possible, but I don't know. < 1363070361 240985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a bijection, though. < 1363070388 233765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since a bijection requires going both ways) < 1363070438 821763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could calculate the coordinates of the plutinos at the time of your birth (or at a different time, if you want). < 1363070579 116067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ecliptic longitude of Pluto right now is 281 degrees, which is 11 Capricorn. < 1363070611 180223 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" →? <- "->" is an #esoteric interject which i use roughly equivalently to "afk". i think oklopol started it." i think it's a finnish / even more local thing which i thought was a general irc thing back then. < 1363070613 171739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("11 Capricorn" means 11 degrees past the beginning of the Capricorn sign.) < 1363070629 662804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Maybe; can you figure out? < 1363070644 172982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I didn't know that, so maybe it isn't necessarily? < 1363070666 838276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if other Finnish people say about it. < 1363070834 507655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah < 1363070883 956125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be finnish, it has no suffixes < 1363071227 453119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Midheaven has a cooler name than what? < 1363071233 81350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun. < 1363071411 27724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :midheaven = zenith < 1363071444 666276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zenith is pretty good too. < 1363071662 684348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they aren't quite the same thing. Zenith is the point directly overhead; midheaven is the ecliptic longitude of the local meridian (that is, the meridian overhead). At noon, the sun is at midheaven; it is not necessarily at zenith. (If the sun is at zenith, this is called lahaina noon.) < 1363071722 78928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sun cannot be at zenith at the latitudes most (all?) in this channel live at < 1363071751 874967 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363071777 288168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, that is correct; the sun is only at zenith between the tropics. That doesn't make what I said incorrect, though. < 1363071809 176231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :->:lleniköhän < 1363072397 830353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363072725 153193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Windows not send the correct commands to the PC speaker? < 1363073406 297359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running a DOS program to send the commands on Windows seem to treat mode 2,3,4,5 as the same, even though Wikipedia says otherwise. If running on DOSBox, it makes single clicks for all modes other than 3 and 7 (which is equivalent to mode 3). However from the description it seems to be that mode 2 might also generate a continuous tone; DOSBox doesn't do that, though. < 1363073430 669536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OUT will then remain high until the counter reaches 1, and will go low for one clock pulse. OUT will then go high again, and the whole process repeats itself." < 1363073465 487555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not work directly because the hardware is faulty? < 1363073515 121890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it something Windows does? < 1363073657 711499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal mode does seem to work. < 1363073735 448790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: you seem quite stressed < 1363073819 959200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is correct that mode 2 does not generate a continuous tone. "This mode creates a high output signal that drops low for one input signal cycle (0.8381 uS), which is too fast to make a difference to the PC speaker (see mode 3)." (from osdev) < 1363074144 429943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363074649 616584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why? < 1363074657 132100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why which < 1363074755 648046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :House in EPA. < 1363074760 694740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss multiple messages? < 1363074771 341316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been very around. < 1363075112 952161 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075145 922388 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363075146 397094 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363075175 600909 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075275 893840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why buy a house in EPA? uh, I guess because it's cheap and he wants to live somewhere around there < 1363075435 57293 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363075444 645725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's epa? < 1363075504 84141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eicosapentaenoic acid < 1363075635 765705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, buying a house in acid sounds like a bad deal < 1363075785 460894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's East Palo Alto < 1363075788 96432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's hood < 1363075816 538695 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075992 610543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gangstahood < 1363076010 707545 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shangstahood < 1363079159 520339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: I bet you like cake < 1363080393 585587 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363080658 164759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1363084447 603638 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363086277 56009 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7692.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363088626 955631 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzfoydicklvnutxs QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363088627 108136 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363089539 576195 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363089582 589188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363092903 930938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363093419 467549 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363093537 548072 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363093985 757150 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1363094836 778309 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1363095314 773949 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1363095633 563103 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363096077 946060 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-thvduneouclgqael JOIN :#esoteric < 1363096423 192393 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363098591 211640 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363098612 420064 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363099744 145865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7692.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1363100430 630866 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363100626 137495 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363100644 453863 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363101421 327741 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363101636 35580 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363101825 52960 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363103630 524801 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363103685 96334 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test? < 1363103719 690876 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363103726 886180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1363103727 956068 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 121550Z 29002KT 10SM -RA FEW006 SCT012 OVC016 06/06 A2980 RMK SF2SC2SC4 SLP093 < 1363103755 975002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. everything is fine, except for the crappy weather. < 1363103792 749218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~hello boily < 1363103793 735665 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1363103796 298015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad bot. < 1363103878 670314 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363104231 775545 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363104233 321841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is utterly petrified of his interview tomorrow < 1363104770 337574 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds < 1363105157 865523 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1363105191 366035 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a final one ? < 1363105286 278438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, don't know? < 1363105716 448233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so was it rescheduled? < 1363105807 810223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told the internship person that I wanted to reschedule, but didn't manage to set a date before she left for the day, but she did see that I wanted to reschedule, so if I don't show up to that hopefully it won't be bad < 1363105819 327428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cablevision interview is still going on :D < 1363105886 480820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1363105912 595766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/ https://github.com/ekmett/ersatz/commit/9e16d70986ad4169160d3e5647dc1c1ca05b49f0 < 1363105922 969956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she heard you telling her you wanted to rescheduled, but then said "oh wait it's 4pm I gotta go" and hung up on you? < 1363105948 715404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she sounds french! < 1363105964 179976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, email conversation < 1363105985 632591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still that's weird < 1363106018 856166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering my delays in replying to her, not really < 1363106140 843082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, just relax and you'll have a great interview tomorrow < 1363106831 897694 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363106927 601393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course my bot won't answer. it was lunchtime. < 1363106990 121902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sensible. < 1363107198 574625 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d93299dd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363108053 470464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It be tea time! < 1363108111 399120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day in my life, I'll have to celebrate tea time. < 1363108471 704733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea time was earlier, Sgeo < 1363108475 231529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god you're so dumb < 1363108625 615790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363108684 389606 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prove that the integral from 0 to N of ln (1 + x) with respect to x is equal to (N + 1) ln (N + 1) - N, where N is a positive constant" < 1363108695 653144 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea where to start with that < 1363109027 48033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pointers? < 1363109057 425362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you're not allowed to just use the rules for integrating ln that are found in every calculus text? < 1363109097 200885 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... may be a good idea < 1363109110 835323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_logarithmic_functions < 1363109115 303239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmc < 1363109133 536212 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363109148 604671 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rules for integrating a function composition? in this case int from 0 to N of g(f(x)) dx, where g(x) = ln x and f(x) = x + 1. < 1363109160 430304 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for stupid'ing < 1363109171 957656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you aren't allowed to assume these rules, maybe you can integrate by parts < 1363109174 963970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in http://www.math.com/tables/integrals/more/ln.htm < 1363109209 915013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I'll go with that < 1363109217 945571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think there is a general one < 1363109250 56126 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :integration by parts is evil, but not as evil as coordinate substitution. < 1363109265 272323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_rule < 1363109268 418391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1363109370 540960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. like, you have shapes defined with spherical coordinates, and you need to convert that to cartesian. < 1363110386 664954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363110486 776146 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363110582 401806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has disconnected. that vicious integral got the better of him, it seems. < 1363110988 188571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, going to try to re-watch that Farscape episode < 1363111331 598501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363111668 492660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to watch some hard sci-fi at some point < 1363111887 161022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are hard sci-fi tv shows? < 1363111942 326785 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could watch Solaris, I guess, but it's like three hours long and Russian < 1363111955 873814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :working without functional extensionality is the definition of pain < 1363111990 644789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book doesn't count as being watchable? < 1363112007 183805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost in the shell: stand alone complex is fun hard(?) scifi < 1363112011 901656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a book for hours but it didn't do shit :( < 1363112026 975744 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard good things about planetes as far as hard scifi goes but I need to see that < 1363112027 424639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookwatching < 1363112046 519175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh planetes is cool < 1363112053 675289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planetes is cool indeed. < 1363112066 686478 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i thik of hard sci fi i mostly think of weird shit like anything Egan writes, though < 1363112080 133328 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wow I really do need to see it < 1363112082 268908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after gundam00 < 1363112098 65407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. < 1363112106 627830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363112140 494410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patlabor is also a realistic scifi series but it's much more 20 minutes into the future and not quite so serious (no cool spaceships or stuff) < 1363112256 290443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke"egan" mcallister < 1363112258 594933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE??????? < 1363112283 164110 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz ftw < 1363112355 275794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'd have called GitS:SAC "hard", really. < 1363112374 347124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose those things are relative, though. < 1363112472 766138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the Mohs scale of sci-fi hardness, that's pretty absolute. < 1363112490 780134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's based on scratching a book with another book. < 1363112514 483571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drop one book on the other, corner first < 1363112518 768885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GITS is a manga, that's usually softcover, it can't be very hard. < 1363112530 956159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed i guess < 1363112569 424775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, meanwhile farscape was a tv series from the early 2000s so logically it'd be a video cassette < 1363112583 370083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: p. hard < 1363112593 181832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH DVDs are pretty old..... < 1363112599 197482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph.D.VDs < 1363112642 804718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure all the films i watched as a child were on cassette < 1363112669 731832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp sez dvd didn't become dominant until the mid 2000s < 1363112671 585264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old but VERSATILE. < 1363112677 819590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess < 1363112695 711508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT farscape is 1993-2003 sez wp < 1363112698 616645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 is kinda mid 2000s!!! < 1363112704 502999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDs are pretty hard but I think you could break them easily? < 1363112718 235233 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or scratch them. < 1363112724 788105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DVD-Video became the dominant form of home video distribution in Japan when it first went on sale in 1996, but did not become the dominant form of home video distribution in the United States until June 15, 2003, when weekly DVD-Video in the United States rentals began outnumbering weekly VHS cassette rentals, reflecting the rapid adoption rate of the technology in the U.S. marketplace." < 1363112725 140870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993...???????/ < 1363112771 590924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but you could definitely scratch paper with a dvd < 1363112808 312320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about the covers? < 1363112823 30759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same deal < 1363112848 264122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we're missing the real issue which is that elliott has somehow managed to confuse 1999 and 1993 < 1363112856 231441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant 1999 < 1363112865 321137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same though < 1363112866 419096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you? < 1363112925 249902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in 1993, I didn't exist < 1363112927 328700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nineties never existed. it is a conspiracy deployed by the government. you can go straight from 1989 to 2000 without a single significant second having ever occured. < 1363112932 531281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1999, I was 5 years old < 1363112957 639636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA i was FOUR < 1363112973 130201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get off my lawn. < 1363113131 211131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i was uh < 1363113132 104399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363113134 709607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 4 or 5 or something < 1363113148 171620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of tricky to work out how old you are i think < 1363113152 447261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off! < 1363113154 474055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy if months didn't exist < 1363113169 640735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip, you're younger than me < 1363113223 724560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's hard to remember because you're so much more terrible < 1363113261 964523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure if you get more terrible than you you wrap back around to good < 1363113310 583023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel old seeing y'all being young'uns in 1999. I was ten at that time. < 1363113353 305453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you were one of the Big Ones < 1363113369 78418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims shotgun at elliott  < 1363113409 417256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait I mentally assumed you were like fizzie's age < 1363113417 654286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is my instinctive reaction to weird foreign people!!! < 1363113440 184352 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I wouldn't call myself a big one. I was kinda scrawny, and still vaguely am. < 1363113456 519817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not weird, I'm not foreign, and how old is fizzie really& < 1363113458 275514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't matter < 1363113461 528042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/&/?/ < 1363113472 718273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 < 1363113481 260292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is like a billion < 1363113519 738153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 48 < 1363113532 266790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363113541 53688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the oldest thing around here. < 1363113551 831080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not even 30. < 1363113564 307139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And won't be for over a month!) < 1363113597 77706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously not 30 < 1363113626 511896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seriously still 29, as far as I know. < 1363113639 799047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda parse fizzie as almost-but-not-quite-30 < 1363113640 987407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1363113646 807547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure he makes sense to be 30 < 1363113716 456461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's so mature < 1363113734 115278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be that... dadly in your 20s < 1363113831 466276 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363113898 860755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true fizzie would be a fantastic dad < 1363113901 474396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honorary dad of #esoteric < 1363113963 628439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey i could believe being in his 20s < 1363113969 802588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though he's like 60 now < 1363114067 955996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, people can probably debate for ages what 'hard' means :P < 1363114084 680153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: come on cpressey is an old man < 1363114089 122450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he definitely fits the bill < 1363114109 98610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember him being that old! < 1363114124 330856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like at least 25 billion years old < 1363114126 861891 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oO(hard is the hearts of people not sharing their cookies with me) < 1363114169 824113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So roughly 25 fizzies. < 1363114256 925896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether to feel old or young < 1363114280 133406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: toy story came out over 15 years ago < 1363114288 525145 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is a perception issue < 1363114323 920938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop lying fiora < 1363114333 616343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still pretty much ten!! < 1363114340 977505 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arenot :< < 1363114342 352590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunchtime is doubly perceptive. < 1363114386 605428 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, nowadays we have been having the time cube < 1363114444 138 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really is a wikipédia article on any subject. even the time cube. < 1363114450 91992 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363114457 660956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: um < 1363114463 2038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 15 do you mean 18 < 1363114469 760508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 17 < 1363114513 675309 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of years < 1363114515 122985 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, Add +0- as One = nothing < 1363114515 514867 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: no no no. how would i get a wrong answer < 1363114547 349863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: p. sure 17 is above 15 < 1363114553 892701 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, one is a demonic religious lie, one - does not exist, except in death state. < 1363114554 278746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: like unlambda. the square is circled, the fnord < 1363114564 364162 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1363114579 95686 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why are your hapaxes fnorded again? < 1363114580 228811 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i find that rather silly, actually apparently i've totalled more than 20k typed in the manifest there is no simple, portable module system? ( as suggested by alan bawden in 1996. others can move their own creations ahead, but keep in mind < 1363114617 896626 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/wiki/alan_20bawden.html k < 1363114658 331780 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending with "but keep in mind" sounds like Yoda-speech :D < 1363115123 294709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the toy story films lasted a really long time < 1363115453 593653 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, toy story 1 is only 81 minutes long < 1363115536 117828 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: cf. c00kiemon5ter and time perception. < 1363115687 767357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does c00kiemon5ter perceive time < 1363115701 933677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of cookies??? < 1363115725 639856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i once knew someone who seemed to measure time by the yardstick of pregnancy) < 1363115780 454675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that a year is ~1.35 babies. < 1363116019 148344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the rough quote was "3 months? If I got pregnant now I'd be 3 months pregnant by the time it arrived!" < 1363116037 140594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1363116085 348783 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the < 1363116086 17104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363116225 882188 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363116255 477035 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1363116566 546405 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363116585 304233 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363116597 553497 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363117035 551216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters doesn't have room for compilers? < 1363117048 699626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about trustfuck < 1363117054 191633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1363117152 134958 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I guess that's why it's called EsoInterpreters rather than EsoCompilers < 1363117400 948691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363117630 634753 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d93299dd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363117655 76992 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Amelia that's new < 1363118199 835882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363118423 74331 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363118431 449732 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363118451 169074 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363119169 520566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that's short, too. < 1363119293 184520 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any decent software for drawing 2D "ascii art", that could be used to write Befunge source code? < 1363119307 899525 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grow weary of Notepad. < 1363119519 997813 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jave is good. I wonder if it is still in active development... < 1363119561 613335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing new since 2010, but still: http://www.jave.de/ < 1363119601 631753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/ [...] <-- looks fun < 1363119614 345495 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1363119624 959974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wioll haven imported into paint program < 1363119641 922950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i solved a regular crossword in february < 1363119646 163588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really great < 1363119650 888236 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a wioll haven? < 1363119663 900026 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~param/quotes/guide.html < 1363119670 864093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see dr streetmentioner's famous grammar < 1363119790 471855 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. maintenant j'aurai avoir eu compris. < 1363119807 994174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got to love those French verbs. they're like lego blocks, but with more exceptions!) < 1363119874 944588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have had understood. english verbs are lego blocky too! < 1363119892 246761 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in a more boring way, though < 1363119900 967727 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less pretty to pronounce < 1363119905 247450 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363119918 581045 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363119935 902768 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"been" sounds so awful. c'mon, english < 1363119945 723181 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your exceptions are less interesting and of a lower quality :p < 1363120039 634161 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the best part of english verbs is that a good amount of them are conjugated in a completely different way from the rest < 1363120061 836692 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran back to france but they didn't want me < 1363120400 471558 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363120457 485173 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120472 185643 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1363120537 668060 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363120632 157720 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the french ones are kinda mine technically < 1363120645 690207 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english language definitely isn't < 1363120669 443021 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120679 246130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363120706 594753 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120738 194358 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily mentioned "[my] exceptions" when i talked about english verb conjugations, but actually closer to french than to english (i'm belgiumian) < 1363120752 477971 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but i'm actually closer to < 1363120764 371224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i don't know anything about belgian < 1363120798 597740 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...such as that it no longer exists, ok < 1363120874 923112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah the Belgian Language isn't a thing < 1363120892 46406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm actually saying is: half of belgium speaks dutch and the other half speaks french < 1363120904 722126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i'm from the dutch-speaking part, pretty much everyone is expected to know french < 1363120910 805828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363120927 414570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the francophones expected to know dutch? < 1363120987 864074 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. their secondary schools usually teach either english or dutch, students get to choose < 1363120998 316337 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-73.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121001 598557 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much nobody picks dutch because english is Super Cool < 1363121021 776911 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :us dutch-speaking belgians really like complaining about all the effort we put into learning our neighbours' language while we don't get anything in return! < 1363121047 506325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1363121078 172824 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363121079 118787 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :historically, french was the language of the elite in belgium, too. only the plebeians spoke dutch < 1363121110 318847 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were political parties called "taalpartijen" (language parties) that just rebelled against the oppression of dutch speakers! < 1363121126 648702 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually dutch became a Real Official Language < 1363121142 46176 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121142 196464 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363121142 196635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121245 244898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121298 642080 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of: dutch is a really horrible language when it comes to verbs. (it's a lot like german) < 1363121311 76420 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 NICK :impomatic < 1363121312 895629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous V2 alignment. < 1363121322 241408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask elliott about Ziet!!! < 1363121349 233725 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes the V2 alignment is pretty great too < 1363121361 20769 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is dutch the only language that does anything like it?) < 1363121381 471120 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err and german :| < 1363121400 146677 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363121442 566730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german! < 1363121458 790909 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121462 640919 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow turns out V2 word order is crazy < 1363121550 436685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is V2 alignment? that thing of putting subordinate verbs usually last? < 1363121572 511908 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's VF word order < 1363121575 908635 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363121583 506980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363121590 597919 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363121595 586115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :V2 alignment is where the verb of the main clause is always in the second place < 1363121602 181930 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363121609 553960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with that? < 1363121613 242630 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the kids / PLAYED / in the garden / today" < 1363121619 409224 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the garden / PLAYED / the kids / today" < 1363121622 242590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. norwegian has that too, but not the subordinate last placement < 1363121622 566235 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1363121628 569795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Dit boek las ik gesteren”. < 1363121634 66357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders in abject terror < 1363121650 108852 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121673 108962 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common to hear native dutch speakers say stuff like "this book read i yesterday" when speaking "dunglish" < 1363121680 399712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't sound weird to me. well a _bit_, we don't switch objects first that often. < 1363121697 635685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1363121713 623158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i suggest a better name than "dunglish" < 1363121714 474554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Denne boka leste jeg i går." yep perfectly normal. < 1363121723 356519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that's strange < 1363121724 515907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, anything < 1363121742 7837 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do dutch dub movies and tv shows? < 1363121753 255708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so basically it's probably all germanic languages _except_ english >:) < 1363121755 731286 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: luckily, no, not often < 1363121769 81635 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only stuff like nickolodeon cartoons < 1363121776 22661 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we prefer subtitles < 1363121781 223121 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«J'ai lu ce livre hier.» "He leído este libro ayer." < 1363121785 97173 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the french, though... < 1363121788 923982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i had a discussion about germany being a rare exception in dubbing everything < 1363121793 736632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never realized it before < 1363121805 51157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubbing policy is completely different in France than here. < 1363121815 434950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even subtitle movies from Québec! < 1363121816 83634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nontheless, i'd never say something like "the book read i yesterday" < 1363121845 418058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you if you were trying to imitate Yoda < 1363121851 443300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: shouldn't you be better in english in this case? < 1363121872 67885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian has this little subtlety in subordinate clauses that you can often detect good, but not perfect non-native speakers with: certain adverbs suddenly come before the verb instead of after. but the verb still comes before lot of stuff. < 1363121910 539624 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: young people are generally pretty good at english < 1363121921 118536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jeg har ikke lest den boka" - i haven't read that book. "Jeg sa at jeg ikke har lest den boka." - i said that i haven't read that book. < 1363121922 476286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1363121958 341399 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the day there was a lot less influence from english media so old people still say adorable things like that < 1363122009 907017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have the same thing, but I didn't realize it was a subtlety < 1363122013 304146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i see, i can think of germans doing that, too < 1363122022 822232 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha, we've actually done something similar < 1363122035 620766 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think germans are more known for that become/get issue < 1363122051 672996 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until like 2005-ish, tv shows and movies in "dutch dutch" (dutch from the netherlands) got subtitled < 1363122070 981172 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was controversial. some dutch people felt we were poking fun at them for their "weird" accent < 1363122077 173228 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these days they're gone :') < 1363122216 910385 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds awful < 1363122315 453201 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys < 1363122388 572886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: on Monday nights, there's this thing called Douteux: http://douteux.org/ < 1363122410 484944 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363122424 39160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get to see weird and strange and wtfing extracts from various excerpts and random stuff. < 1363122453 182490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we stumble on something from België, we often have multiple subtiles in both Dutch and French, with a voiceover in english. < 1363122459 107720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end-effect is surprising. < 1363122467 606107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: bonsoir! < 1363122474 800747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yes < 1363122482 597603 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinemas here tend to be bilingual too < 1363122498 637037 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363122507 484297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut boily < 1363122509 260815 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're watching an english movie with dutch subtitles and french subtitles... < 1363122514 414265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just coming back from the cinema < 1363122538 233426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the director told us to cancel one of the two films because they had (AGAIN) heating problems < 1363122556 788158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the spectators weren't happy about it < 1363122577 901576 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work at a cinema? < 1363122584 354560 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that one guy explaining to us how he had just walked 20 minutes in the snow, despite his (very) old age, to see that movie < 1363122588 973013 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I volunteer, mostly < 1363122592 638699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363122598 983787 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty cool < 1363122603 330249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they call me for weekends and I get paid < 1363122627 129163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the director told him he could not have spectators watch a film in the cold < 1363122636 920771 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy "I SURVIVED THE WAR I DON'T CARE IF IT'S COLD" < 1363122651 963685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool :) < 1363122663 788065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since the new projectionist is a very pretty girl < 1363122705 300477 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's comforting to hear it's snowing over there too (what the HELL is that about) < 1363122723 422465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well < 1363122728 726690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clinical strength head&shoulders smells bad < 1363122735 62626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually go to the cinema with my bike < 1363122764 718101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually don't mind biking in the snow < 1363122778 495642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm stuck with crutches < 1363122784 439228 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I borrowed my parents' car < 1363122797 15798 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was my first time alone in a car AND THERE WAS THAT FREAKY SNOW EVERYWHERE < 1363122800 528647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was horrible < 1363122848 739600 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow is not freaky, it loves you, hugs you, and wants you to be their forever. < 1363122861 410667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. ok. well, snow can be a little bit freaky. < 1363122904 36044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the cars in front of me stopped in a rising road < 1363122915 612726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that how you call that? a route going up) < 1363122923 611653 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I stopped too. < 1363122932 640970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the car drove away < 1363122936 706236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I WAS STUCK < 1363122957 350136 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was doing something wrong, but after a while it was clear it was the snow < 1363122985 696473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of me the car behind me got stuck too < 1363122999 619100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while I managed to drive again but they didn't :) < 1363123159 536953 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363123161 349362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should fill some esointerpreters gap < 1363123242 978011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363123316 716941 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unefunge is just befunge without ^ v and |? < 1363123331 707693 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and g and p commands having one less argument < 1363123364 240110 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be described anywhere on the internet, at the moment... < 1363123375 605452 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html < 1363123400 617117 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh unefunge is based on Funge-98 not Funge-93 < 1363123548 803819 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it a lot tougher to implement... < 1363123558 680951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that? < 1363123574 924507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because funge-98 is a lot tougher than funge-93 < 1363123580 284512 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, at the same time, it's just a tape < 1363123598 11213 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you have to deal with a lot of funge-98's extra stuff < 1363123605 680435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, but a tape with a crazy Lahey space < 1363123607 506701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1363123611 35361 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And True < 1363123612 876286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahey space isn't really that crazy < 1363123622 392267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not in 1D it isn't < 1363123649 416368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was planning to write it in golfscript... the longer that gets the more unwritable it gets, too < 1363123653 77165 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363123754 481257 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with lahey space? < 1363123903 819413 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363124174 779297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's not quite a torus that's what < 1363124189 593138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1363124214 610160 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I just wanted to make a joke, because in one dimension, it's exactly the same as a torus < 1363124218 273515 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if direction = right and cell = last: newcell = first < 1363124221 259324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the rules for integrating a function composition? in this case int from 0 to N of g(f(x)) dx, where g(x) = ln x and f(x) = x + 1. < 1363124234 487351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy. but when f is linear it's easy. < 1363124277 385506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically you try substituting what's inside, but in the general case it's just luck whether that makes it easier or not.) < 1363124328 103360 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363124333 497365 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok ok but what formula do I type in my calculator?? < 1363124358 864736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1363124412 823081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's some syntax for integrating a function < 1363124438 276194 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnInt(! < 1363124574 162843 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad wolfram alpha forces me to log into it with facebook these days. < 1363124630 85559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363124634 304972 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert logarithm joke here] < 1363124663 196535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu the kind of integration you can do without massive theory is essentially just running differentiation backwards and hoping the pieces fit together, which they'll do if it's a school test. hth. < 1363124694 826900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweet < 1363124696 660769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363124718 28991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's exactly the same method as the one we used to solve a polynom in prepschool < 1363124735 497914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the massive theory gives you the added option of "we can prove this integral has no expression in the functions you know." < 1363124745 854372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363124783 351814 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"massive theory" sounds like a great band name... but it probably just reminds me of "massive attack" < 1363124797 880634 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also makes it a worse band name < 1363124827 841433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine massive attack doing a cover of the big bang theory soundtrack < 1363124856 460059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why is integration terrible < 1363124860 710501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivatives are pretty nice < 1363124868 602587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risch_algorithm < 1363124870 357843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there's integration and it's all whoah i cant let this be easy 4 u lol < 1363124876 908079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna shit all in your symmetry < 1363124888 43525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've read the saying "differentiation is a handcraft, integration is an art" < 1363124914 836938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like an fart :--/ < 1363124927 564808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like half-integration < 1363124933 779635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how impossible it is, probably p. impossible < 1363124970 218403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr reading even mathematica doesn't implement the full risch algorithm. < 1363124980 242509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe they've done that later < 1363124982 786346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you ever need it < 1363125008 199911 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do you want to integrate inverse sine of a polynomial over double exponentiation of inversion < 1363125036 209311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan: I don't know what you did to my brain, but everyday you use new four~five letter acronyms, and everyday I understand them) < 1363125036 597866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course mathematica doesn't restrict the answer to elementary functions, which means it cannot use just the Risch algorithm anyhow. < 1363125037 255420 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_rational_functions and i feel like vomiting now < 1363125054 842148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yay! < 1363125061 84521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you about secant cubed < 1363125081 607181 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine people using these formulae < 1363125093 189039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_of_secant_cubed i love that there's a fucking article for this though < 1363125134 132043 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brought back repressed memories of CÉGEP. I do not thank you. < 1363125163 165144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"classes élémentaires aux grandes écoles préparatoires"? < 1363125174 187615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you got the right words but in the wrong order < 1363125190 666416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on the plus side, _numerical_ integration is easier than numerical differentiation < 1363125239 931750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god the housemate and his visitor came _back_ again < 1363125253 520918 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the visitor a female < 1363125276 708683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Collège d'Enseignement Général Et Professionnel. it goes after high school and before university. < 1363125297 603246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the second e was a decoy < 1363125307 425889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. i fear they'll be doing gaming < 1363125322 180350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe movie watching < 1363125323 453938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very clever decoy to lead exchange students astray. < 1363125324 945228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but automatic differentiation is easier still. :( < 1363125330 818599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1363125335 108271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooooooerjan < 1363125352 749459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i'm pretty sure i've used "istr" many times. < 1363125373 534525 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need to mash the «o» and «e» key really fast together to produce œrjan. < 1363125378 20435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you mention it istr so, yes < 1363125381 228269 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i used istr and i think i picked it up here... < 1363125462 181763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan mcallister < 1363125465 542734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all this rain < 1363125467 737830 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363125514 33237 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363125516 510565 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363125651 438305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1363125654 925723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it rain < 1363127723 465999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york < 1363127739 187022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not anymore. < 1363127787 581526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go do something interview related < 1363127789 431164 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still snowing here < 1363127797 77043 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sleep helps < 1363127817 789475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I do need to eat dinner < 1363127825 534070 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps too < 1363128130 791353 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363128418 386540 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs396340.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363128470 349988 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i made a turing machine that implements H9+ < 1363128477 830755 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a little over 9000 states < 1363128478 325409 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363128509 50904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `learn bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. < 1363128517 361545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you conflagrated another word there < 1363128537 24966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: not Q? < 1363128542 206211 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh is that where you make a portmanteau and then light it on fire < 1363128572 286257 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/J1D5SWaK8h4avDKJr3Mq/ -- works for http://morphett.info/turing/turing.html < 1363128573 645203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be. < 1363128587 301971 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at first i thought "ugh Q is going to be hard" but now that i think about it it should be fun < 1363128628 863845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: wait, 9000 states? < 1363128631 103816 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the only reason i wrote this is: prove that a UTM can execute a H9+ program (read: copy one of two strings based on some input symbols) < 1363128645 816324 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000 states indeed < 1363128663 396858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. take one down, pass it around, 99 bottles of beer on the wall!" * 100 < 1363128665 222188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11400 < 1363128682 108541 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it has no spaces < 1363128682 597600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that _is_ shorter than just writing it directly :P < 1363128692 201189 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit shorter < 1363128713 878488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you _did_ just insert the whole text? :P < 1363128717 51874 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363128731 185073 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else did you expect it to become 9000 states big :o < 1363128744 754305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if it was plausible without it < 1363128746 362235 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363128784 512027 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, removing the spaces is just an annoying thing i had to do because this javascript turing machine simulator doesn't differentiate between an "ascii space" symbol and blank symbol < 1363128821 407676 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda want to add this to the http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters chain, behind "UTM" < 1363128853 510367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1363128874 558846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you mean i started this. < 1363128940 94079 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363128964 877592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? started what < 1363129005 182535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just added that chain yesterday :P < 1363129009 90838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chain table < 1363129010 401751 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1363129013 414485 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone linked it in here today < 1363129037 464401 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna extend it by implenting unefunge in something, but it felt like a lot of work < 1363129041 350077 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i did this instead! < 1363129078 830930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah as a general rule the chains stop because the things on the left are too hard to implement, and the things on the right are too hard to implement anything with :) < 1363129092 44313 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i should append this to the chain < 1363129149 504711 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs396340.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363129150 823126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an idea: there's been basic -> brainfuck converters or something, haven't there? that might be a way to insert something between brainfuck and bub < 1363129162 241104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that Bub -> UTM link is broken, it's one of Nthern's ones. < 1363129179 971367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well we only count esolangs in that table < 1363129202 862920 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. dang < 1363129222 980897 :nooga!~nooga@117-240.echostar.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363129236 486112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, implementing anything as a turing machine isn't an option < 1363129245 108264 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there isn't an "UTM" row? < 1363129251 529533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes < 1363129258 16321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we consider UTM's close enough. < 1363129270 577087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i assume it's just using his Bub converter on the BF -> UTM conversion < 1363129290 675399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's the same as the whirl ones, which have strikethroughs < 1363129321 834070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: a more serious problem is that what's implemented is _a_ universal turing machine, not all turing machines directly. < 1363129363 76136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should, admittedly be just a matter of inserting an extra step, by the definition of universal turing machine. < 1363129425 836568 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "UTM" shouldn't be on this page at all < 1363129431 589191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1363129433 120154 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not really a language < 1363129439 454445 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-73.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363129506 630885 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flogscript implementation of unefunge is "really easy" but it'd just take some time. writing flogscript is annoying as hell < 1363129522 906151 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: get zzo38 to do it < 1363129538 469837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! < 1363129645 388964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the only cycle is the Bub -> Brainfuck one, which basically exists because the languages are nearly trivially equivalent and brainfuck has a self-interpreter. < 1363129764 776813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea i just had was if there were a fueue interpretation in unlambda, then that would give a longer path from intercal. < 1363129796 689803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda isn't hard to write < 1363129799 63605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a pain to read or eit < 1363129801 125269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edit < 1363129815 186640 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363129832 126857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most write-only language I know < 1363129836 602444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1363129901 456099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm unlambda isn't good at handling bytes. < 1363129986 712950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot to add the Emmental -> Underload one... < 1363129992 144453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, although you can get around it using ASCII tables < 1363130020 593310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need those for I/O anyway. < 1363130021 776348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fueue deal with ascii codes? < 1363130025 936998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363130047 616056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like underload in unlambda wouldn't need an ASCII table, because you can treat characters as opaque values in unlambda < 1363130067 94309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. i've been considering underload in unlambda before. < 1363130091 663708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that unlambda programs are so interesting < 1363130094 400183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming /techniques/ are < 1363130108 69492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that you can't read them, there's not a lot of benefit to them existing < 1363130111 784994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to prove a point < 1363130140 226868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames Trustfuck to Braintrust < 1363130142 739696 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear unlambda is a lot like lazy k < 1363130160 325929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: REFLECTIONS ON FUCKING FUCK, I SAID < 1363130182 135381 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's kind of a scheme -> lazy k converter, apparently < 1363130197 223048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a scheme -> unlambda too < 1363130203 154014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "kind of" < 1363130249 283902 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1363130257 903699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that what ais523 meant by unlambda being "easy to write") < 1363130273 192250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah, it's easy to compile into < 1363130281 719235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even by hand, as long as you don't make typos < 1363130289 817520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's unreadable, if you do make a typo, you're unlikely to ever find it) < 1363130296 559819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also easy to compile from! < 1363130301 874086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore readable. Right? < 1363130445 903958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combinatory representation, (S (K (S I)) (S (K K) I)) is much longer than the representation as a lambda term, λx.λy.(y x). This is typical. In general, the T[ ] construction may expand a lambda term of length n to a combinatorial term of length Θ(3n)[citation needed]. < 1363130463 320985 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whoops, that's Theta(3^n)) < 1363130472 671362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway who wrote this, ugh < 1363130508 249479 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do lambda terms even have a "length" < 1363130583 726480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could define a half-reasonable one, i guess, or just use textual length < 1363130625 757566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: if you're going _really_ deep, there's a way to do it linearly instead < 1363130658 839501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nearly so. < 1363130728 843542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pass the arguments as a list, and refer them by indexing the list with the deBruijn index) < 1363130819 409414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: any half-reasonable one will be the same when you ignore constant factors, as theta does. < 1363130841 74336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363130905 561517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course much of the design of my unlambda self-interpreter was how to factor functions into bits that _didn't_ combinatorially blow up. < 1363130945 23512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363130945 173613 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363130963 35752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 879 < 1363131047 310145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^list is for MSPA < 1363131131 796267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, please arrange for an olist update. < 1363131189 135176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/slist < 1363131190 984443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/slist < 1363131197 155184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist < 1363131198 951219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Sgeo is a jobby < 1363131205 7930 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix that < 1363131217 910774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363131227 736920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who vandaliszed the liszt? < 1363131236 792433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a while ago, iir` < 1363131238 210107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1363131239 485006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1363131242 856368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1363131275 528154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove nothin' < 1363131312 187588 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363131364 501517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/16641639a4cf < 1363131399 238398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to revert :( < 1363131411 807174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rv 2243 < 1363131413 648728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rv: not found < 1363131418 503802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2243 < 1363131422 135585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1363131428 40085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reverts the entire hackego state. < 1363131447 615731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363131454 915513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2416 < 1363131457 781567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it was someone impersonating me < 1363131458 160295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1363131458 518580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo undoes a single commit. < 1363131461 580498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't always work. < 1363131463 402792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could have done it! < 1363131479 390518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it was aloril < 1363131488 191400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's had it in for me since day 1 < 1363131602 348362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril, with assistance... from shachaf < 1363131687 699704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 2243 < 1363131693 324910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file slist \ Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. \ 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file slist.rej < 1363131700 223646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1363131702 195642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a jobby < 1363131738 402128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131740 83121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131753 370421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131757 70148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131818 876737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We don't do lists that way anymore... < 1363131839 591692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{empty,s}list < 1363131842 821369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo < 1363131844 344719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131845 358733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`echo < 1363131858 670289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for n in Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot; do echo $n >> bin/slist; done < 1363131861 356286 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo test < 1363131862 927213 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131864 88260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`echo test < 1363132060 478910 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363132782 680021 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric