00:00:12 <Bike> http://www.aaanet.org/issues/policy-advocacy/Statement-on-Marriage-and-the-family.cfm `-`
00:00:30 <Sgeo> Google Reader is shutting down :(
00:01:26 <Bike> like come on, don't say "anthropology" if you don't know shit about it, how hard is that
00:01:29 <Bike> what's Google Reader?
00:01:38 <Sgeo> Google's RSS reader service
00:02:14 <Bike> Can't you use uh... thunderbird or something
00:02:31 <kmc> yes Bike, there exist multiple RSS readers
00:02:39 <kmc> that doesn't mean that the death of one RSS reader is insignificant
00:02:48 <Sgeo> The problem with any non-cloud RSS reader for me is that computers don't seem to last long in my hands.
00:02:52 <kmc> "GMail is shutting down" "WELL JUST RUN YOUR DOWN DNS AND MX, LOSER"
00:02:59 <Bike> ok, ok, i get it
00:03:00 <elliott> Bike: are anthropologists nice people
00:03:08 <pikhq> Dammit, now I need a new RSS reader.
00:03:18 <kmc> and yeah, the hosted service is super useful
00:03:31 <kmc> this might be an impetus for me to make my own strange RSS reader with various features i've wanted
00:03:34 <Bike> elliott: now that they've mostly gotten over the vast galloping racism, yeah they're pretty cool. i had a professor who worked in the caribbean making oil shirtless with the people he was studying
00:03:44 <kmc> like the HN spamfiltered tricklefeed
00:04:02 <Sgeo> At least I'll be abandoning a misfeature of Google Reader: The whole "You haven't read it after 30 days? Guess what, you have!" thing
00:04:21 <elliott> Bike: i never knew racism could gallop
00:04:51 <elliott> kmc: you should steal my rss strategy
00:05:09 <kmc> i'll just have Sgeo ping me on IRC whenevr any of my webcomics update
00:05:24 <Bike> elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean_Louis_Th%C3%A9odore_G%C3%A9ricault_001.jpg artists' depiction of galloping racists
00:05:36 <elliott> HEY NOW you said galloping racism not galloping racists
00:06:02 <Bike> "racism" is the plural of "racist", which is the kind of hovervehicle depicted in this image
00:06:55 <Bike> anyway i'll ask what my friend who actually uses rss uses as a reader, in order to atone for my sins
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00:35:21 <Sgeo> I should continue reading about OI
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00:36:56 <Sgeo> elliott keeps saying it doesn't work, but I'd love to know what 'it' is
00:37:10 <tswett> Well, what would an "OI a" be?
00:37:11 <Bike> @hoogle comonad
00:37:30 <tswett> Wouldn't it be an "a" along with the entire universe?
00:37:35 <tswett> You can't really pass the universe around.
00:39:16 * Sgeo hands tswett a frog
00:39:57 <tswett> http://comonad.com/reader/2011/free-monads-for-less-3/ "[The second problem with RealWorld is], you don't really get to pass the real world around! We have multiple cores working these days."
00:39:58 <Bike> give me a comonad and a place to stand, and i will lift the RealWorld
00:40:15 <tswett> I like the implication that before multi-core processors came about, it was possible to pass the real world around.
00:40:32 <Bike> damn multicores ruining everything.
00:41:15 <Sgeo> Going to watch a video on Idris then continue reading the OI paper
00:41:36 <Sgeo> Oh the video is an hour long
00:42:33 <Fiora> Bike: no followers on my sideblog, even :<
00:42:55 <Bike> Fiora: it would help if i knew it existed
00:43:02 <Fiora> oh. I thought I mentioned it to you
00:43:04 <Bike> like just put a thing on your blog saying "hey nerds get the fuck over here"
00:43:05 <c00kiemon5ter> Fiora, btw, you may like this http://www.fpgarelated.com/showarticle/44.php
00:43:07 <Fiora> fiorasm.tumblr.com
00:43:10 <Bike> your main blog, i mean
00:44:01 <Bike> because otherwise nobody will know it exists
00:44:08 <Bike> and you will be asming in the æther
00:48:35 <Sgeo> This paper seems a bit... off
00:48:50 <Arc_Koen> Sgeo: so how was the interview?
00:49:01 <Sgeo> Arc_Koen, it went well, I ... think, not sure though
00:49:52 <Arc_Koen> did she say anything about your shampoo?
00:49:53 <Sgeo> Ok, this paper keeps calling bind impure
00:49:57 <Sgeo> Arc_Koen, he, and no.
00:50:17 <Bike> er, like >>= bind?
00:51:20 <Sgeo> Maybe I'm not quite grasping its terminology
00:52:37 <Sgeo> "Typically, IO operations of a Haskell program are performed in the main module, which has the type () -> IO()."
00:52:43 <Fiora> c00kiemon5ter: that whole thing seems kind of weird... I guess it's trying to find a better way to code 'call' instructions, but it never talks about any other instructions on the machine...?
00:52:58 <Bike> Sgeo: i thought main was IO ()?
00:53:15 <Bike> also it's not a module?
00:53:21 <Bike> is it a module
00:53:32 <Sgeo> Well, main is typically found in a module called Main, but...
00:53:46 <Sgeo> Don't know if that's always the case
00:53:46 <Fiora> the idea is kinda cool? but I think calls are only a couple percent of code size
00:53:52 <Fiora> I'd guess jumps are a lot more
00:53:54 <Phantom_Hoover> are we talking about modules as in ringy vector spaces
00:54:02 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, we are talking Haskell
00:54:11 <Sgeo> And this paper is making me go "er..." a lot
00:54:36 <Bike> Fiora: you know it's a good paper when it starts out by talking about totally unrelated bullshit about technology adoption
00:54:57 <Phantom_Hoover> (i was really expecting something more interesting when i looked up what modules were)
00:55:19 <Bike> nothing is interesting
00:55:22 <Bike> everything is interesting
00:56:34 <Fiora> I guess it's just like, the idea for a 'table' of calls is kind of cool, but it feels like it wouldn't actually help that much, and it's only like, a tiny part of what defines a processor
00:57:13 <Bike> well he does say it's a minor component.
00:57:15 <Fiora> I might be misreading it though, since it seems to be implying there's some larger impact (?)
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00:57:33 <Fiora> I guess I'm also a little confused by "interpreters" that don't execute any instructions <.<
00:59:01 <Bike> that's where the bullshit comes in
01:01:03 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, have you been watching PMMM? I'm about to watch second ep. of Farscape
01:01:53 <Bike> yeah that was a good part
01:08:16 <Fiora> honesty is the best policy
01:08:23 <Fiora> now go watch it sillybutt :p
01:08:29 <Bike> oh i thought you were referring to That Spoiler
01:08:40 <Bike> which i don't know what it is but everybody sure gets excited about it
01:10:11 <Bike> $character was my favorite :(
01:10:38 <Phantom_Hoover> let's face it, it would just be a letdown after farscape
01:10:42 <elliott> imo and when except saturday turkeys
01:12:05 <Bike> elliott i don't think you actually said anything
01:12:22 <Fiora> phantiieee you should watch it
01:12:23 <elliott> how dare you bike, i said that which is !
01:13:07 <Bike> «what our Vatican analyst calls a «hinge point»» who the hell does NBC hire
01:13:51 <elliott> people who quote with «these stupid things»
01:14:09 <Bike> they interviewed a white american guy to say that it was great for latin america
01:14:27 <ion> elliott’s “ ” and the others’ “something (if i got the color code right)” look different in my terminal.
01:14:31 <ion> Ok, i didn’t.
01:14:46 <Bike> elliott, don't make fun of my luxembourgish heritage :(
01:14:53 <Fiora> I think elliott was using spaces and I was doing this
01:15:11 <elliott> i'm literally having to clear my terminal so i don't highlight things because i hate seeing spoilers for anything
01:15:25 <Bike> spoiler: we are talking
01:15:53 <Fiora> elliott: (just to be fair I'm not actually posting any spoilers)
01:16:07 <elliott> because it was just repetition instead
01:16:11 <elliott> Fiora i'm going to have to arrest you
01:16:19 * Fiora hides under a blanket
01:16:20 <elliott> for crimes against humanity
01:16:24 <Fiora> you can't see me you can't arrest meeeee
01:16:44 <elliott> that the legal system has yet to find a way to deal with such new forms of jail avoidance
01:16:59 <elliott> but when we do you are getting locked up
01:17:09 <Phantom_Hoover> more importantly: Fiora lives on an island, we all know what elliott's like with those
01:17:11 <Bike> In spoilerjail?
01:17:23 <elliott> where does fiora live again
01:17:27 <HackEgo> Fiora is from some island somewhere. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons.
01:17:38 <Bike> it's nice in the summer
01:17:45 <Bike> also the fall, though not the winter
01:17:50 <Bike> ok at best in the spring
01:17:54 <Fiora> um, can we get a better definition
01:18:16 <elliott> i agree, we should make it more specific
01:18:40 <Bike> `run cat "Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons." > wisdom/fiora
01:18:42 <elliott> i didn't actually write mine
01:18:45 <HackEgo> cat: Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons.: No such file or directory
01:18:47 <elliott> that's the best thing about it
01:18:49 <Bike> wow good job me
01:18:51 <Fiora> from another place thing
01:18:52 <elliott> Bike: hi have you heard of echo
01:18:52 <Bike> i am a unix master
01:18:55 <Fiora> "Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin. Engages Nitya^H^H^H^H^HBike, her putative genderswap, in jargony conversations of doom."
01:19:07 <Bike> fiora that seems entirely too helpful
01:19:08 <elliott> entries aren't allowed to be accurate Fiora
01:19:27 <Bike> The specificity in my location means it can't be about anything else.
01:19:28 <elliott> if you can falsify it from somewhere between a bit to all of it then we could use it
01:19:46 <HackEgo> Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist.
01:19:51 <Bike> How about, "Extended exposure my necessitate BZ"
01:19:57 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: well there are no true scotsmen
01:20:23 <Bike> Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate has been referred to in the media as "zombie gas'
01:21:10 <elliott> so has anyone used it recreationally yet
01:22:18 <elliott> Bike: what's it like in luxembourg by the way
01:22:44 <elliott> `learn Luxembourg is adequate.
01:23:13 <Bike> Fiora: also you should use ^W instead of ^H, it's the wave of the future.
01:24:01 <Fiora> "Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Putative genderswap of Bike. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin (and possibly x86 assembly manuals). Is actually a human/cat hybrid."
01:24:33 * Fiora not very good at this
01:25:28 <Bike> `learn Fiora is a stack of assembly manuals done up in shoujo makeup.
01:25:35 <Fiora> that is not truueueeeee
01:26:02 <Bike> Well, yeah, I figure I should suppress knowledge of your true nature as queen of the dragons.
01:26:08 <elliott> have we found any true information in the wisdom db yet
01:26:24 <HackEgo> itidus21 just made some instant coffee.
01:26:32 <elliott> he only just made it in the past though
01:26:48 <HackEgo> Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian.
01:26:57 <elliott> that one seems mostly accurate I guess
01:27:06 <HackEgo> Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
01:27:13 <monqy> i remember `? elliott being accurate last i checked
01:27:18 <elliott> finally a 100% true wisdom db entry
01:27:51 <Bike> fiora, well, you've just gotta make it funny.
01:27:58 <Bike> and otome games are way too serious to joke about.
01:29:00 <monqy> is this some esoteric "nerd culture" thing
01:29:33 <Fiora> talk about how I'm actually a magical girl cat princess who stalks the streets at night to defeat evildoers with the power of love and SSE
01:29:36 <Bike> worse - the animes
01:30:03 <Bike> fanfiction is also too serious fiora
01:30:03 <monqy> yeah that sounds pretty "nerd culture" to me
01:31:16 <Fiora> Bike: homestuck shipping is totally serious
01:31:20 <Fiora> freakin' vriskapolagists
01:31:35 <monqy> Phantom_Hoover: which part
01:31:52 <Bike> `learn Fiora is a freakin' vriskapologist.
01:32:12 <monqy> is that a sgeo thing
01:32:47 <Fiora> no she's one of my favorite characters <.<
01:32:53 <Fiora> I was making a joke about a dumb drama thing
01:33:02 <Bike> see? freakin' vriskaapologist.
01:33:22 <monqy> hm, dumb drama things . . .
01:33:53 <elliott> monqy your ellipsis is falling apart
01:35:30 <Bike> i'm going to assume that drawing out my name is some kind of gesture of affection and approval of my fiorology
01:36:32 <monqy> formal study of fioro
01:36:55 <Bike> fiorology n. (1) the study of Fioras (2) the study of fioro (3) nickname for Idi Amin
01:37:35 <monqy> ah, you must have been using (3) there
01:37:59 <kmc> who's hosing whom down with BZ now
01:38:03 <Fiora> um. what are you trying to study about me
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01:41:52 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, is Chrighton assuming that these replicant things are dumb?
01:42:03 <Sgeo> Then again, they are... why reveal that they could do what they did
01:45:14 <kmc> are you a replican or a replicant
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01:46:08 <ion> repuplicant
01:47:47 <Sgeo> wtf the video restarted to the beginning
01:48:29 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: why are you always complaining about me complaining about things
01:48:29 <monqy> did you put it on "loop"
01:59:27 <kmc> maybe i'll start complaining about how you're always complaining about me complaining about things
01:59:47 <kmc> and then start complaining about how that's a cheap, trite form of meta-humor
02:00:25 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm sorry this whole conversation has become obnoxiously meta
02:01:00 <Phantom_Hoover> can we not do the thing where we attempt to gain the upper hand by standing on each other's feet
02:01:50 <Phantom_Hoover> that is the natural consequence of the overall tactic, yes
02:03:12 <kmc> i don't kiss people who i've never seen in person
02:03:34 <elliott> you pretty much know what you're getting
02:03:59 <kmc> Casper The Homosexual Friendly Ghost?
02:04:26 <kmc> (that's a wesley willis song folks)
02:04:40 <kmc> 2 whats out of 4 whats
02:04:52 <elliott> kmc's #esoteric cultural enrichment program
02:05:05 <kmc> cultural revolution more like
02:06:03 <Bike> Oooh do we have any statues, I want to destroy a statue.
02:06:09 <elliott> hey guys remember when idi amin was the topic for like three minutes
02:06:10 <Bike> I bet elliott's a statue.
02:06:13 <kmc> which hoover we talking about? phantom? herbert? j. edgar? the guy who invented the vacuum cleaner who wasn't actually named hoover?
02:06:34 <elliott> i just remembered you should totally click this and read it http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2002/jun/11/features11.g21
02:06:39 <Bike> if we're talking about people i don't want to kiss i'm going to have to go with j.
02:06:56 <elliott> in which a respected british journalist says "guys i got the chance to shoot that guy and i didn't, sorry, i fucked up"
02:07:29 <Bike> bravado failed him
02:08:31 <monqy> what an article, yikes
02:08:44 <kmc> i too have failed to follow through on various fantasies of killing my fellow passengers while traveling in various conveyances
02:08:46 <Bike> literally a paragraph about killing a guy
02:09:10 <Bike> i mean it would almost make sense as a lead in to a longer article about amin? but nope just yeah i coulda shot that guy
02:09:28 <kmc> i was going to start an ethics discussion about murdering an evil dictator in cold blood, but then I remembered that was an episode of House and it wasn't very good
02:10:38 <elliott> i think the house episode may have been inspired by that possibly
02:10:44 <Phantom_Hoover> can we talk about compiling a list of historical hoovers
02:10:54 <monqy> historical hoovers
02:11:05 <Bike> if you were locked in an elevator with idi amin, jon snow, and simon peyton jones, who would you fuck, who would you kill, and who would you marry?
02:11:51 <Phantom_Hoover> fun fact: the closest thing to a prominent female hoover is miss hoover from the simpsons
02:12:13 <monqy> do i have to do all 3 of those to get out of the elevator
02:12:19 <monqy> do i get out of the elevator at all
02:12:44 <elliott> suicide is not the answer monqy
02:12:45 <monqy> if they're all in the elevator forever they're pretty much dead anyway
02:12:53 <elliott> unless the question is "what is killing yourself called"
02:12:57 <Bike> You have to do all three, in order, without leaving the elevator. After accomplishing all three you will be released.
02:13:14 <elliott> will the two you didn't kill be released
02:13:24 <elliott> are you allowed to select the same person for two of them
02:13:26 <monqy> well you're married to one of them now
02:13:30 <monqy> imprisoned forever
02:13:34 <elliott> it could be a tragically short marraige
02:14:01 <elliott> is the elevator a valid option for any of the three
02:15:04 <kmc> who's jon snow
02:15:52 <kmc> channel 4... oh, you mean in Britain where there are only 4 channels and one is literally named "Channel 4"
02:15:54 <elliott> kmc: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jon+snow&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=nDBBUczLO-yX0QWTr4HABQ&ved=0CFsQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=996
02:15:59 <elliott> kmc: hint: it's NOT most of these
02:16:17 <elliott> kmc: there are actually 5 channels
02:16:20 <elliott> the fifth one is named Channel 5
02:16:36 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: we have to face the harsh reality
02:16:42 <elliott> channel 5 won't go away no matter how much we want it to
02:16:43 <Phantom_Hoover> we didn't have channel 5 when i were a lad and i'm perfectly happy to leave it that way
02:16:46 <kmc> elliott: i cannot watch your video due to a sudden case of Shockwave Flash Crashingitis
02:16:53 <elliott> thank god it's Phantom_Hoover's video then
02:17:07 <elliott> wait i see an opportunity for unwarranted smugness
02:17:15 <elliott> um don't you have the html5 player enabled :)
02:17:19 <elliott> um don't you use youtube-dl :)
02:17:28 <elliott> monqy: it's the fifth channel
02:17:36 <elliott> the one you get to by pressing 5 on your remote, if you tuned your tv correctly
02:17:55 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: that accident in which he died by fucking, marrying, and then killing an elevator was so tragic :(
02:18:31 <Phantom_Hoover> we still have his scsi port to remember him by, though
02:18:33 <elliott> monqy: also it comes after channel 4
02:18:33 <monqy> i thought it was fuck, then kill, then marry
02:18:40 <monqy> is doing it out of order why he died
02:18:54 <elliott> both his and the elevator's corpse were too mangled to tell :(
02:19:12 <elliott> ok i feel the need to give an impromptu lesson about our tv channels
02:19:21 <elliott> the first channel (1) is BBC1
02:19:33 <monqy> ok i think i found channel 5
02:19:35 <elliott> the second channel (2) is BBC2, it's like BBC1 with slightly higher standards
02:19:47 <elliott> the third channel (3) is ITV1, it's not terribly good
02:20:00 <elliott> the fourth channel (4) is Channel 4 and it's pretty cool
02:20:06 <elliott> the fifth channel (5) is Channel 5 and we don't like to talk about it
02:20:15 <elliott> BBC1 and BBC2 don't have any adverts because of communism
02:20:29 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: did i forget anything
02:20:35 <elliott> hey isn't ITV1 called something wacky in scotland
02:20:43 <elliott> and doesn't 4 have like a different schedule or something
02:20:52 <Phantom_Hoover> channel 5 mostly lives off the scraps of programmes the better channels cast off and the fungus that grows on parts of its body
02:20:53 <monqy> 5 looks like where they run their uhh
02:21:04 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: also bad US shows!!
02:21:07 <monqy> csi, men in black 2, more csi
02:21:13 <kmc> oh Peep Show is on Channel 4
02:21:16 <elliott> are you looking at uk tv listings monqy
02:21:16 <monqy> celebrity big brother
02:21:18 <kmc> my opinion of Channel 4 instantly exists
02:21:24 <Phantom_Hoover> i don't think it's called wtv in wales because who cares
02:21:35 <elliott> kmc: channel 4 is the ~edgy~ channel of the five channels that exist
02:21:35 <monqy> elliott: not quite
02:21:53 <elliott> monqy: are you looking at the channel five website
02:22:03 <Phantom_Hoover> all of linehan's work, darkplace, spaced, i think brass eye and jam
02:22:03 <elliott> oh let me tell you more things about channel 5
02:22:08 <monqy> For kids programme's starting at 6 am they have Milkshake! showing Thomas and Friends, The Beeps,The WotWots, Peppa Pig, Castle Farm, Little Princess, Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom, The Mr. Men Show, Noddy in Toyland, Fifi and the Flowertots, Roary the Racing Car, Bert and Ernie and Bananas in Pyjamas.
02:22:17 <elliott> which i suspect you might not believe -- monqy: i used to watch that when i was real young --
02:22:25 <Phantom_Hoover> (whether jam is a good comedy series is a matter of some debate)
02:22:44 <elliott> when channel 5 first started existing in 1997 it was called channel 5
02:22:48 <kmc> Spaced is OK, Brass Eye I hear is good, the others I don't know
02:22:53 <elliott> then they renamed it to "five"
02:23:05 <elliott> then a rich guy bought it out
02:23:13 <elliott> and decided "five" was a stupi dname
02:23:16 <elliott> and renamed it back to "Channel 5"
02:23:19 <monqy> Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe.
02:23:28 <elliott> it has literally gone through two renamings without getting more descriptive than the fifth number
02:23:34 <kmc> i've been watching An Idiot Abroad... that's on Sky1 in HD (pronounced haitch-dee of course)
02:23:47 <monqy> The Tribe is a New Zealand/British post-apocalyptic fictional TV series primarily aimed at teenagers. It is set in a near-future in which all adults have been wiped out by a deadly virus, leaving the children of the world to fend for themselves.
02:23:51 <elliott> kmc: sorry but the channels on sky don't 'actually' 'exist'
02:23:54 <elliott> they're not strictly television, they're 'sky'
02:23:56 <kmc> uh elliott 5 is the sixth number
02:24:09 <elliott> it's the influence of those goddamn mathematicians i swear
02:24:21 <elliott> how do you know what order i was using checkmate??
02:24:25 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, (also jam is a deeply disturbing surrealist thing chris morris did)
02:24:31 <monqy> Series 4 begins just as the Technos are starting their invasion. They possess advanced technology and the Mall Rats are helpless against them.
02:24:44 <monqy> In Series 5, Mega becomes the new leader of the Technos. He has plans to take over the City and is helped by Java, who manipulates Ebony's mind with virtual reality. Ebony, believing Zoot has come back, with her sisters, Java and Siva, create a new Tribe, the Zootists, and take control of the outside of the City.
02:24:47 <elliott> kmc: btw i think spaced was a bit better than ok if i remember correctly, by the way Phantom_Hoover would kill me if i didn't say this
02:24:51 <Bike> kmc: jon snow wrote the shooting amin article
02:24:53 <Phantom_Hoover> (i don't know how to describe it any better beyond the fact that i mostly just found it relaxing, which is itself fairly disturbing)
02:25:00 <monqy> elliott i dont see how any channel with this on it could be bad
02:25:07 <kmc> elliott: ok we can 'agree to disagree'
02:25:13 <kmc> also i haven't seen that many eps. so maybe it gets better
02:25:23 <kmc> or is just one of those things that magically becomes hilarious after you've seen a lot of it
02:25:24 <elliott> kmc: uh haven't you ever heard of aumann's agreement theorem
02:25:27 <kmc> without getting better at any point
02:25:29 <kmc> like jerkcity
02:25:34 <elliott> i think the essential problem is that you're not british
02:26:07 <monqy> Ved starts a relationship with Mall Rat Cloe but when she tells him she is pregnant, he immediately dumps her.
02:26:16 <monqy> realistic teen drama man
02:26:21 <elliott> i'm ok with calling spaced shit because thingy whats his name is now in that new star trek film which has
02:26:22 <monqy> this s*** is relatable
02:26:35 <Bike> is it stupider than Mall Rat Cloe
02:26:49 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, i think if you didn't find the first 2 episodes funny you probably won't like the rest
02:26:49 <elliott> guys its literally called "star trek into darkness" they,re using trek as a VERB
02:26:56 <elliott> you don't know how much this makes me suffer
02:27:12 <monqy> Cloe becomes addicted to reality space and whilst playing the game, vanishes. Ved is distraught as he actually loved her.
02:27:15 <kmc> i like Peep Show and TM&WL and Spaced and TToI and Extras and An Idiot Abroad and most of the other things Gervais and Merchant have done, but I don't like the UK version of The Office which I'm told means I don't "get" British comedy
02:27:19 <Bike> to boldly trek where none had trekked before
02:27:42 <pikhq> No, that would be "Star, Trek Into Darkness".
02:27:46 <elliott> ok maybe i like the title because
02:27:53 <pikhq> Star is definitely an adverb.
02:27:54 <elliott> there's going to be a really forced moment where they try to get the title into dialogue
02:27:56 <Phantom_Hoover> alternately: it's an allegory for what they're doing to cumberbatch and pegg
02:27:56 <kmc> Start Rekin To Darkness
02:28:26 <elliott> "this journey you're taking, to a place that's so dark... are you guys on some kind of... star trek... into darkness???? [beat]"
02:28:28 <kmc> elliott: shit, man, i'm a natural born killer
02:28:55 <kmc> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ViTp9uur8
02:29:05 <elliott> monqy: btw what show is this
02:29:06 <monqy> Everyone thinks that Bray is the father of Trudy's baby; however, Bray's brother, Zoot, is the father.
02:29:26 <monqy> elliott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tribe_(TV_series) i found it from the channel 5 programming article
02:29:39 <monqy> elliott: Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe.
02:29:47 <monqy> hit teen show!!!!!
02:30:03 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: sort of kind of
02:30:07 <elliott> be more specific and it might become a yes
02:30:31 <monqy> In 1998, the channel began to show more risqué late-night programmes such as Compromising Situations, Hotline and the controversially explicit Sex and Shopping. In 1999, there was a large increase in adult entertainment shown on the channel, including UK Raw and Red Shoe Diaries, giving the channel a reputation for being home to hours of pornography.
02:30:37 <monqy> thank you channel 5
02:30:57 <monqy> Adult entertainment, live football, and the 21:00 films were the main source of viewing for the channel, causing then-director of programming Dawn Airey to stress that Channel 5 was about "more than just films, football and fucking!", though this quote is still often misquoted as a description of the channel's programming strategy rather than as a denial of that strategy.
02:31:04 <monqy> i see why you say channel 5 is bad now
02:31:22 <kmc> 'Sex and Shopping'
02:31:24 <kmc> what is this show about
02:31:27 <kmc> i mean besides the obvious
02:31:39 <monqy> Sex and Shopping was a documentary series on the global sex industry. The series examines contemporary attitudes concerning commercial sex, censorship and experimentation.
02:31:52 <monqy> sex shopping, i guess
02:31:57 <kmc> that's a lot more highbrow than I was expecting
02:32:02 <elliott> i'd prefer a show that's just like half about sex, half about shopping
02:32:03 <kmc> bit of a bait and switch really
02:32:05 <elliott> no relation between the two
02:32:24 <monqy> The channel attracted some controversy for its reality series The Farm in 2004 and 2005.[42] The show, which revolved around celebrities working on a farm, saw Rebecca Loos masturbating a pig in order to collect semen.
02:32:29 <elliott> captures the core sex/shopping demogrpahic
02:32:44 <Bike> british tv sounds pretty awesome, not gonna lie
02:32:51 <kmc> monqy: not to be confused with the ill fated Dwight-centric 2013 spinoff of The Office (US), also titled The Farm
02:33:14 <monqy> also The level of adult entertainment was scaled back, and reality shows such as Naked Jungle and The Mole proved popular. However, other reality shows such as Touch the Truck and Jailbreak were less successful.
02:33:17 <Phantom_Hoover> "In October 2004, she appeared on the reality television programme The Farm, a Channel 5 version of the RTE show Celebrity Farm, in the course of which she masturbated a boar to collect its semen.[10] The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals accused producers of pandering to a morbid and sordid fascination with farm animals while PETA and Mediawatch-uk demanded the show be taken off the air."
02:33:24 <monqy> im really curious about what touch the truck is about
02:33:26 <elliott> the worst thing about british tv is that bbc don't have adverts
02:33:35 <Bike> you get taxed, right?
02:33:41 <kmc> it does if you watch via Hulu :)
02:33:42 <elliott> well yes it's a tv license thing
02:33:45 <Bike> fuckin' socialist
02:33:52 <elliott> the hamlet (starring doctor who as hamlet) they did recently
02:33:59 <elliott> by recently i mean years ago btw
02:34:08 <Bike> what, like, brannagh's?
02:34:14 <elliott> you are not peeing during hamlet
02:34:17 <elliott> the bbc will not allow it to happen
02:34:26 <Phantom_Hoover> however the attitude of the tv licensing agency is 'you have a tv and if you aren't paying you're probably hiding one'
02:34:28 <Bike> the irony being that the original play has an intermission doesn't it
02:34:36 <elliott> yes i was hoping there would be an intermission
02:34:43 <elliott> Bike: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1449175/ this one
02:34:49 <Bike> way to piss on shakespeare
02:35:03 <monqy> Touch the Truck was a British Channel 5 endurance gameshow which aired in 2001.
02:35:06 <monqy> It was hosted by Dale Winton[1] and involved a group of 20 contestants holding onto a truck with the last person left touching the truck winning it.
02:35:11 <Phantom_Hoover> you can't watch live feeds from the iplayer, but you /can/ watch tv if it's on a device without an antenna or mains power
02:35:25 <Bike> what the hell is "Modern" about it
02:35:27 <Phantom_Hoover> oh, that last part is also only if your parents have a tv licence
02:35:28 <elliott> also featured in that hamlet: david tennant saying "did you think i meant country matters" in the most explicit way he can think of
02:35:32 <monqy> Jerry Middleton, 39, from Winchester, Hampshire, was the winner who managed to stay awake touching the vehicle for 81 hours 43 minutes and 31 seconds.
02:35:41 <kmc> elliott: failing to bring a pee bucket to Hamlet is a noob mistake
02:35:47 <elliott> it was like COUNT......rrry matters
02:36:11 <elliott> Bike: it was modern because it had cctv cameras and a gun
02:36:40 <kmc> that show should have been called Don't Not Touch The Truck
02:36:44 <Bike> i think my favorite hamlet adaptations are the modern ones
02:36:52 <Bike> there was one where Osric was played by a fax machine
02:36:55 <elliott> monqy: wow i just looked at those lines
02:37:05 <Sgeo> Boring spammer etc http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JohannaGE
02:37:11 <Bike> yeah i've been sitting here laughing at monqy's quotes for like twenty minutes now
02:37:11 <kmc> also when you say "starring doctor who as hamlet" I assume you mean that the BBC did a serious 4 hour adaptation of Hamlet but then at the end when Hamlet dies (spoiler) he gets up and is like "welp, I'm a time lord" and flies off
02:37:16 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: is it just me or is david tennant totally doomed
02:37:16 <monqy> A 2001 movie, The Safety of Objects recounts what seems to be exactly a "Touch the Truck" show -- which even relates to the plot. The film chronicles a mother's mental voyage from the losing of his firstborn son to coma till the detachment from him ending in his mercy killing. And the show connects to this as the sleep withdrawn, delirious mother realizes that she'd still have her son if they
02:37:22 <monqy> hadn't had a car -- and abruptly leaves hold of the truck.
02:37:22 <elliott> like there is literally nothing he can do
02:37:26 <elliott> that won't look like the doctor
02:37:43 <Phantom_Hoover> are you just trying to satisfy your desire to see all scotsmen fail in life
02:37:46 <Bike> well doctor who could be in any time
02:37:59 <kmc> yeah exactly
02:38:06 <Bike> think this through, elliott
02:38:14 <tswett> Long Term Relationship
02:38:14 <tswett> “Have sex with a single pony one thousand times.”
02:38:16 <kmc> maybe dr who was shakespeare
02:38:27 <Bike> [beaton comic]
02:38:32 <kmc> tswett: not the girl scouts I signed up for
02:38:54 <elliott> have you guys seen that film "romeo + juliet"
02:39:07 <elliott> (SPEAKING OF MODERNISED SHAKESPEARE ADAPTATIONS THAT STILL USE THE ORIGINAL DIALOGUE,)
02:39:10 <monqy> oh is it the beach one
02:39:14 <elliott> monqy: its the one with leonardo dicapriorefjo
02:39:29 <monqy> i dont know who that is
02:39:41 <Phantom_Hoover> i have spent so many fucking years of my life covering that play
02:39:44 <Bike> romeo + juliet is great sorry
02:39:52 <Bike> DRAW YOUR SWORD *pulls out a gun, of the Sword brand*
02:39:54 <elliott> they shoot guns made by "sword"
02:40:05 <elliott> it'll be less embarrassing for both of us
02:40:09 <Bike> the best costuming in film history right there
02:40:10 <Fiora> Bike: that is still like, the only moment I remember from that movie
02:40:10 <kmc> also Exit Music (For A Film)
02:40:12 <monqy> but i remember i saw some odd romanized romeo&juliet at school when i was like 11 and i looked away during the sex scene
02:40:13 <Fiora> and I cannot help but giggle
02:40:15 <Fiora> every time I think about it
02:40:17 <monqy> there was a sex scene right
02:40:18 <Bike> Fiora: that's because it's amazing
02:40:31 <monqy> i remember there was another older romeo&juliet and it had a sex scene too
02:40:33 <Bike> monqy: well they could hardly sell it if it didn't have sex
02:40:42 <elliott> romeo & juliet adapted to be set in roman times
02:40:43 <Bike> without sex it's like, a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons
02:40:44 <kmc> we hope your rules and wisdom choke you
02:40:56 <Bike> who wants to watch that? who's ever made thirty television shows about that
02:40:57 <monqy> oh wait maybe the other one didnt have a sex scene it just had a breast shot
02:41:06 <Fiora> a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons --> isn't that like every horror movie
02:41:29 <elliott> god dammit what was the other stupid thing about romeo + juliet
02:41:34 <Bike> romeo and juliet and the slasher, let's do it
02:41:40 <kmc> romeo and juliet and zomibes
02:41:43 <kmc> prolly been done 3 years ago
02:41:58 <elliott> wasn't the juliet actor in the zeifjeifjeirjleli version like 13 or something
02:42:12 <Bike> she's 13 in the play!
02:42:15 <Phantom_Hoover> then the teacher turned it off and was all like oh we don't want to watch that it's all stuffy let's watch the cool baz luhrman version instead
02:42:18 <monqy> there are soooooo many romeo and juliets how will i ever find the one i want
02:42:26 <Bike> and romeo is like 27 or something
02:42:33 <Bike> totally normal
02:42:35 <elliott> "The Chief of Police, Captain Prince"
02:42:42 <elliott> ok that may or may not have been the stupid thing i was trying to remember
02:42:44 <elliott> but it's definitely really stupid
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02:43:13 <monqy> wow theyre making another romeo and juliet in 2013
02:43:15 <monqy> whyyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYY
02:43:36 <Bike> Oh Wikipedia mentions Romeo + Juliet as being "MTV inspired".
02:43:40 <Bike> How can you not love this, elliott.
02:43:54 <kmc> HIV inspired
02:44:13 <monqy> i think the 2 i saw were zeffrely and romeo + juliet ye
02:44:23 <elliott> monqy: you know this guy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/LeonardoDiCaprioNov08.jpg thats the guy, whose in the films
02:44:32 <monqy> elliott: its been like years man
02:44:38 <monqy> i cant remember a THING
02:44:41 <monqy> ooh i might remember uhh
02:44:48 <Bike> i think shakespeare is best enjoyed as ridiculous personally
02:44:49 <monqy> gosh i forget the character;s name
02:45:00 <Bike> like "Much Ado About Nothing", is like three different puns about vaginas, in just the title
02:45:14 <Bike> and Midsummer Night's Dream is just well, have you seen that shit
02:45:35 <elliott> wait i bet there is a youtube of david tennant saying country matters
02:45:50 <elliott> except my browser is frozen because my computer is only marginally better than the fabled dumpster computer
02:46:58 <elliott> well there is a video of the entire thing
02:47:14 <Bike> the whole four hour movie?
02:47:21 <kmc> Bike: makes me wonder which bits of vulgar popular entertainment from today will be held up in 400 years as High Art
02:47:34 <elliott> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF7E1185D25603E4C
02:47:48 <Bike> i'm thinking Jackass
02:47:53 <elliott> I love God and thats all that truly matters.
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02:47:55 <elliott> |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|profile
02:47:56 <Bike> it's all about post-cold-war politics, when you get down to it
02:47:58 <elliott> |------------------------------------|if
02:48:00 <elliott> |------------------------------------|you
02:48:03 <elliott> |------------------------------------|are a
02:48:05 <elliott> |------------------------------------|proud
02:48:08 <elliott> |------------------------------------|American!
02:48:10 <elliott> P.S. PLEASE don't cuss on my page. It just makes you sound like unoriginal idiot who can't find a better way to phrase whatever you want to say. Thanks!! ^-^
02:48:36 <kmc> Bike: yeah they will not believe we were that stupid and will instead over-parse it as sophisticated satire
02:48:55 <kmc> elliott: a true patriot would use Unicode line-drawing characters
02:49:05 <monqy> i've never seen Jackass but maybe i've heard a thing about it and then forgotten that thing
02:49:06 <Bike> the best part about old stupid shit held up as art is that it usually was satire
02:49:13 <Bike> just satire in the form of like being farted on
02:49:23 <kmc> also that flag has only 9 stripes
02:49:37 <Bike> the stars are in totally the wrong pattern, too.
02:49:46 <elliott> i forgot to mention picard is the dude
02:49:54 <kmc> sorry, georgia, maryland, rhode island, and south carolina
02:49:55 <Bike> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/US_flag_33_stars.svg speaking of which, this is the first result for "american flag"
02:49:56 <elliott> its doctor who vs captain picard: the shakespeare performance
02:50:17 <kmc> look forward to seeing that in a news broadcast
02:50:20 <Bike> brannagh's adaptation had Robin Williams as Osric
02:50:22 <monqy> i really would have preferred if it was hamlet in space
02:50:42 <Bike> osric is a guy near the end with like two lines if this helps
02:51:00 <kmc> elliott: 'but even before she can get her knickers on, I've seen everything. Yeah. I've seen it all. '
02:51:17 <elliott> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYCXO-jAJg#t=4m57s
02:51:24 <monqy> kmc: is that an art thing
02:51:37 <elliott> god its even more blatant than i remembered
02:52:00 <Bike> cunt. ry matters
02:52:36 <monqy> this is just ridiculous
02:52:49 <monqy> its adult's goofing around
02:53:02 <monqy> shaksper was brilliant for making this happen
02:53:05 <Bike> anyway i'm going to go find a few sci-fi hamlet adaptations
02:53:25 <Bike> preferably not like, the lion king, but we'll see
02:53:25 <monqy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4twhFgogHVU quick search
02:53:49 <elliott> are you calling the lion king scifi
02:54:00 <Bike> It's post-apocalyptic. Think about it.
02:54:21 <monqy> this hamlet in space adaptation is p.good
02:54:28 <Bike> "He played up the Oedipal overtones of the play, to the extent of casting the 28-year-old Eileen Herlie as Hamlet's mother, opposite himself (aged 41) as Hamlet" hamlet adaptations are an art form
02:55:49 <Bike> "Indeed, Gibson was cast after Zeffirelli watched his character contemplate suicide in the first Lethal Weapon film.[22]"
02:57:18 <monqy> Hamlet, or The Last Game Without MMORPG Features, shaders and Product Placement is an award winning indie adventure game based on William Shakespeare's Hamlet. It was developed by indie game developer mif2000.
02:57:31 <monqy> In the tradition of classic adventure games
02:58:16 <elliott> i would like to see an adaption of macbeth with dogs
02:58:18 <Bike> it was pretty hard figuring out polonius's attack pattern....
02:59:00 <kmc> playing poker
02:59:05 <elliott> while we're on the subject of hamlet
03:00:08 <elliott> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9Ismh1elM
03:00:09 <Bike> "Comics and graphic novels have utilised the play, or have dramatised the circumstances of its inception: Superman himself wrote the play for Shakespeare in the course of one night, in the 1947 Shakespeare's Ghost Writer."
03:01:42 <elliott> i'm so glad monqy elected that guy to govern
03:02:32 <monqy> elliott: have you seen hercules in new york yet, or on that note gamebox 1.0
03:02:56 <elliott> monqy: can you come to england and bring these important cultural artefacts
03:03:04 <elliott> in return you can watch channel 5
03:03:55 <kmc> elliott: omg that video
03:04:04 <kmc> also wilhelm scream @ 0:56
03:04:12 <kmc> i assume self consciously given what movie this is
03:04:23 <Bike> see? deep satire.
03:04:28 <monqy> Hercules in New York is a 1969 low-budget fantasy adventure film. It is notable for being the first feature film to star Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was about 22 years old when the film was produced. However, it is one of the films that Schwarzenegger admits regretting having appeared in.
03:04:33 <elliott> well it's a joke inside another film (which i haven't seen)
03:04:45 <Bike> "Charlie Colburn (Nate Richert) is a video game tester with a troubled past."
03:04:58 <monqy> Bike: have you never seen them either??? gosh
03:05:13 <monqy> theyre very good films
03:05:29 <Bike> no, i saw existenz instead
03:05:51 <kmc> omg that movie
03:06:05 <monqy> As in Videodrome, Cronenberg gives his psychological statement about how humans react and interact with the technologies that surround them. In this case, the world of video games.
03:06:11 <shachaf> Also I mexande and other people.
03:06:13 <kmc> shachaf: trip report plz
03:06:14 <Bike> yeah it's great
03:06:25 <Bike> it involves hiding firearms in a dog
03:06:28 * shachaf needs to go -- will report later.
03:06:54 <elliott> guys i haven't seen barely any bad films at all
03:06:59 <elliott> i feel like i'm really missing out
03:07:01 <monqy> dang i should watch existenz
03:07:12 <Bike> i love cronenberg no joke
03:07:26 <kmc> i'm not sure if it's actually a good movie, but it's a nice mindfuck
03:07:32 <kmc> especially if you are very stoned while watching it
03:07:53 <Bike> though i like lynch more
03:08:00 <Bike> especially since he's in that show about some comedian for some reason
03:08:39 <monqy> which show about some comedian
03:08:45 <Bike> yeah, louie ck
03:08:57 <kmc> yeah that was a kinda odd inside joke
03:09:08 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob3FTPJ7cM
03:09:08 <kmc> "we need a weird dude for this scene" "what if it's david lynch"
03:09:24 <kmc> Louie is a good show
03:10:45 <kmc> the arc with Lynch is a liiiiitle self-indulgant, but it has its moments
03:10:56 <kmc> it's a lot more continuity than the show usually goes for
03:11:03 <elliott> i should really watch some lynch stuff
03:11:14 <kmc> elliott: i haven't seen it either
03:11:39 <Bike> eraserhead is some fucked up shit, just so you know
03:11:47 <Bike> recommend it to people you dislike, such as myself
03:12:23 <Bike> the last guy i convinced to watch it apparently sees me in nightmares now
03:12:42 <elliott> i'm not down with his culty transcendental meditation stuff though, that's what we in the biz refer to as `wack' (technical term)
03:13:06 <Bike> yeah i go for the "assume famous people are fucking crazy and don't pay attention to them" strategy generally speaking
03:13:51 <monqy> eraserhead was hard for me to watch but overall i enjoyed it
03:14:08 <Bike> also twin peaks is really good, def. my favorite anime
03:14:13 <elliott> i have hangups about beck's scientology too. i don't care about travolta and i'm not sure why, i think he is just too wack to care about
03:14:18 <monqy> i;ve never seen twin peaks :( :( i should
03:14:23 <elliott> Bike: btw bikes are common everyday objects
03:14:28 <elliott> its not surprising that they'd occur in dreams of all sorts
03:14:44 <Bike> yeah that's the weird thing, he'd never dreamt about bikes before! but now he does
03:14:52 <elliott> i think all i've seen of eraserhead is In Heaven
03:15:26 <elliott> also i've seen the "fuck that shit, pabst blue ribbon" scene in blue velvet
03:15:30 <elliott> and that's all the lynch i've seen i think
03:16:05 <elliott> oh i've heard the twin peaks theme too. good theme.
03:16:14 <elliott> but i didn't hear it with my eyes so it doesn't count
03:17:24 <Bike> I think his short "Rabbits" is still on youtube
03:17:34 <Bike> alt. his commercials. you've all seen his PS2 and cigarette commercials i hope.
03:18:54 <elliott> oh i've seen some of that rabbits thing i think
03:19:14 <elliott> on relisten in heaven sounds weirdly like the talking heads song to me
03:19:24 <Bike> once in a lifetime
03:19:37 <elliott> not that talking heads song
03:19:57 <Bike> have you seen the music video for it? it works
03:20:10 <Bike> also it's the only one i can remember the name of reliably, so there,
03:20:26 <elliott> i was thinking of this talking heads song [imagine there's a link here and my browser isn't frozen]
03:20:46 <Bike> yes, but it's a link to Once in a Lifetime
03:20:59 <monqy> i think the only talking heads song ive heard is the one in that one lasagna cat video
03:21:01 <elliott> that's not the link that's there
03:21:16 <elliott> monqy: which one is that again. i remember a talking heads song in lasanga cat but i cant remember which it was
03:21:30 <monqy> eyes without a face i think??? i think that's what it's called??
03:21:42 <elliott> false alarm it's "waking up"
03:21:52 <monqy> i got my artists confused
03:22:13 <monqy> im no good with this
03:22:51 <elliott> i was thinking of this talking heads song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKW7JkHKm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU
03:22:59 <elliott> you get two links for the price of one because of the delay
03:23:02 <Bike> that's two songs
03:23:12 <elliott> going to go out on a limb and suggest that the linking factor here is the word "heaven"
03:23:41 <Bike> yeah this...doesn't really sound like in heaven at all
03:24:44 <elliott> yes i don't know what i was thinking in retrospect
03:24:46 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IugOfDBWcGc lynch has done music somehow. it also doesn't sound like in heaven
03:24:52 <elliott> is that from dark night of the soul
03:26:36 <Bike> i think it's just a single
03:26:48 <Bike> there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWXt9lCVrc which i'm reasonably sure is satan
03:27:20 <Bike> oh, uh, it has tits in it.
03:27:23 <kmc> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhfztj1cTy1qcziuco1_500.gif
03:27:43 <elliott> monqy: while talking heads is in my scrollback i should tell you to watch david byrne interviewing himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-mxVxFXLg
03:29:00 <Bike> i just like to imagine david lynch giving the directions for this video
03:29:22 <monqy> that clown video is uncomfortable to watch
03:29:30 <kmc> elliott: that's great
03:30:13 <Bike> wow, his... proportions
03:32:29 <elliott> Bike: (that suit doesnt fit him)
03:32:51 <Bike> yes he explained
03:32:56 <Bike> thank you mr bryne.
03:33:03 <monqy> this interview is good
03:33:05 <kmc> it's like 60 minutes on acid
03:34:06 <monqy> that interview was good
03:38:07 <Bike> apparently the 60 minutes on acid thing actually happened. i should lsiten to more heads
03:38:36 <elliott> Bike: let david lynch sing you to sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbtUAlFN8po
03:40:30 <Bike> aren't you the one who needs to sleep, generaly speakkkking
03:41:10 <elliott> well i don't hate myself so i wouldn't generally select david lynch for lullaby material
03:41:21 <elliott> do you see how the cogs turn Bike
03:41:55 <elliott> it's ok it's a nice kind of hate
03:42:40 <Bike> what is a nice kind of hate
03:43:08 <elliott> that's for me to know & you to find out
03:43:47 <Bike> is it a sex thing
03:44:35 <elliott> sources unconfirmed but suggest no
03:45:16 <elliott> there's no certainty in life, Bike
03:45:49 <Bike> is there certainty in sex
03:46:17 <monqy> what do they say to kids these days
03:47:27 <elliott> what don't they say to kids these days. the answer is nothing
03:47:46 <monqy> i'm sure it'd explain someone
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03:58:10 <madbr> my stupid VM based on a switch case can run about 250 million ops per second (in the brain dead case of loop: sub r0, r0, #1 jnz loop: )
03:58:42 <madbr> on a 2.8ghz core2, that's about 10 real cycles for a virtual cycle
03:58:54 <elliott> sorry madbr we're all dead
04:04:09 <Bike> i want to say there was a rap song titled "ghost of a bicycle"
04:05:59 <elliott> Bike: how did you become a bicycle
04:07:23 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPn6nNOnWIM
04:13:17 <elliott> huh clouddead are weirder than i was lead to believe. i should listen to them
04:13:54 <Bike> rifle eyes is good, it has urinals
04:15:00 * Sgeo suddenly wonders if elliott might consider him evil. Working for an ISP that takes some (not that strong) actions against piracy
04:15:10 <Sgeo> (In the future, I mean, if I get the job)
04:15:15 <kmc> you work for... oh
04:22:43 <Sgeo> I hate everyone except the top commenter here http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1a7zuy/paul_ryan_admits_that_his_entire_budget_is_based/
04:25:38 <kmc> i've spent years working up the willpower to not click links when people say things like that
04:25:57 <monqy> if its from reddit it's probably bad news
04:26:11 <monqy> also if sgeo gives an opinion on it when he links it
04:32:24 <Bike> also it's about paul ryan.
04:32:28 <Sgeo> What if I give a positive opinion? (In general I mean, not this specific case)
04:32:47 <Bike> No positive opinions on the internet.
04:32:53 <lambdabot> *** "admit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
04:32:53 <lambdabot> v 1: declare to be true or admit the existence or reality or
04:32:53 <lambdabot> truth of; "He admitted his errors"; "She acknowledged that
04:32:53 <lambdabot> she might have forgotten" [syn: {admit}, {acknowledge}]
04:33:14 <Sgeo> Maybe a bot should post the definition of admit whenever someone uses that word
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04:34:06 <Bike> maybe the bot should stop being so pedantic!
04:34:17 <Bike> maybe the bot should learn what "microsaccade" means
04:35:47 <Bike> oh also: paul ryan is never going to be relevant again, right?
04:36:24 <elliott> looks like hes relevant because were talking about hi min #esoteric thgeo
04:36:39 <monqy> paul ryan sounds like a name i've heard but i try to avoid that sort of conversation. the type that mentions names like that.
04:46:28 <Bike> looks like a neverhood character
04:46:46 <Bike> rather less like a neverhood character
04:48:04 <monqy> my first thought was fish but on second thought that was a dumb thought
04:48:18 <monqy> maybe a belt buckle?
04:48:34 <monqy> or a sash...buckle....
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04:52:58 <shachaf> The 99¢ pizza tasted like pizza.
04:53:10 <Bike> What, really? How?
05:09:12 <Sgeo> There is at least one person on Reddit who argues that if you drive drunk and don't hit someone, it's a victimless crime.
05:09:21 <Sgeo> http://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1a18ae/dwi_lawswhy_i_became_a_libertarian/c8t9837
05:10:05 <Bike> Why are you reading r/Libertarian?
05:11:22 <Sgeo> It was linked to from a comment in an anti-libertarian subreddit. Which I was only reading because it was linked to from /r/PoliticalHumor
05:11:50 <Bike> How deep does the rabbit hole go?
05:12:08 <monqy> well somehow sgeo managed to find /r/PoliticalHumor
05:12:43 <Sgeo> I don't remember how I found it, I subbed a while ago
05:13:20 <kmc> there are all kinds of awful people on reddit
05:13:27 <kmc> you should not be surprised nor do you need to tell us about them
05:13:32 <elliott> you don't understand kmc. we have to know about each and every one of them
05:13:37 <elliott> its sgeos curse, sgeos fate, sgeos undoing, sgeos promise to the world
05:13:58 <monqy> somehow sgeo subbed to r/politicalhumor
05:14:01 <monqy> somehow sgeo found reddit
05:14:09 <Bike> So, this is boring, do any of you read the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy?
05:14:16 <kmc> i have read some articles from it
05:14:26 <elliott> is that the one with the webpages
05:14:30 <elliott> it's kind of like wikipedia but with less pictures
05:14:49 <monqy> i think it had an article on it that i glanced over? i forget what it was about
05:14:54 <kmc> philosophy
05:15:17 <Bike> It has lots of in-depth articles that are better than the ones Wikipedia doesn't have, such as on Church's type theory or the history of transfeminism.
05:15:17 <elliott> also the pages are quite yellow
05:15:25 <Bike> Also the pages are quite yellow.
05:16:10 <Bike> oh, i should read the constructivism articles
05:16:19 <Bike> so i could see what the fuck is going through zeilberger's head, maybe
05:16:40 <elliott> ultrafinitism isnt really the same thing as mainstream constructivism........
05:16:54 <Bike> That's why i said "articles", see
05:17:01 <shachaf> imo only numbers smaller than 3 exist
05:17:28 <elliott> constructivism is just good old wanting Evidence™ for propositions
05:17:37 <monqy> i dont understand ultrafinitism................philosophy is silly
05:17:38 <elliott> so excluded middle is rejected because it doesn't provide evidence for either P or not P
05:17:55 <elliott> and then that of course gets you computable meaning as your evidence (hence curry-howard)
05:17:57 <Bike> oh ultrafinitism doesn't have an article :(
05:18:01 <monqy> i understand constructivism thankfully
05:18:06 <elliott> where lem roughly corresponds to being able to predict the future
05:18:17 <elliott> (you can do it with call/cc but it lies)
05:18:21 <Bike> yeah constructivism is "so easy", it's all kolmogorov-brouwer-------
05:18:32 <shachaf> constructivism is a monoids??
05:18:32 <Bike> probably more names
05:18:42 <Bike> who the fuck is heyting? i don't know.
05:18:44 <shachaf> i like how elliott predicted i would say that..
05:18:55 <monqy> it was pretty obvious
05:18:57 <Bike> oh, a student of brouwer
05:19:06 <elliott> tho you can think of ultrafinitism quite simply as rejecting the notion that the standard inductive definition of the naturals gives evidence that all of them exist
05:19:14 <Bike> «The inclusion of Brouwer's name in the Brouwer–Heyting–Kolmogorov interpretation is largely honorific, as Brouwer was opposed in principle to the formalisation of certain intuitionistic principles (and went as far as calling Heyting's work a "sterile exercise")» amazing
05:19:25 <elliott> (but accepting that e.g. 4 exists because it's pretty easy to give evidence that a number that small exists)
05:19:34 <Bike> How do you give evidence that a number exists
05:20:12 <Bike> How do you give evidence that 0 exists, or that S(a number) is a number.
05:20:29 <Bike> No, seriously, I want to know.
05:20:45 <Bike> Like why not just say no numbers exist.
05:20:47 <elliott> it doesnt really make sense to ask like 0 exists.... you define it as being a thing
05:21:01 <elliott> its just a question of how much power you allow your definitions to have
05:21:13 <Bike> oh so it's just a matter of my axioms are better than yours
05:21:31 <Bike> or rather, yours are better than mine, because you are elliott
05:22:14 <elliott> btw this article on church's type theory has explicit substitution. therefore it sucks
05:22:23 <Bike> it's not like "my axioms are better than yours" is inherently bad, i just want to know that that's what it is
05:22:36 <elliott> monqy: do you agree that variables as strings / explicit alpha-conversion / and so on are sinful
05:22:42 <Sgeo> "You know what's a complete waste of time, money, and effort? Eating. I mean, wouldn't you rather just ingest a tasteless form of sustenance for the rest of your life and never have to go through that tedious rigmarole of opening and eating a premade sandwich or feasting on a pile of fried delicacies ever again? "
05:22:44 <elliott> Bike: well it can also be about interpretations of axioms
05:22:50 <elliott> and whether you consider certain axiom sets to define coherent notions
05:23:07 <Sgeo> I gather that the intended answer to that rhetorical question is supposed to be 'no', but...
05:23:09 <madbr> sgeo: that's usually an argument for the usefulness of art no?
05:23:39 <Bike> One time I said I'd rather just eat monkey corpses since they'd be most nutritious
05:23:45 <Bike> turns out I was wrong about monkey corpses though.
05:23:59 <shachaf> live monkeys are more nutritious
05:24:00 <ion> Cuneiform signs seem to be quite complicated. 𒋪
05:24:25 <Sgeo> madbr, do you not know about my food issues?
05:24:36 <Sgeo> I would happily answer the posed question with "Yes, please"
05:24:37 <madbr> ah, no, didn't knew
05:24:54 <Sgeo> Or, well, I guess I do like tasting things sometimes, but it's a bit of a chore
05:25:15 <Bike> you have food issues? beyond being a bachelor i assume
05:25:18 <madbr> I'm a bit the other way around :3
05:25:42 <shachaf> that's like a bachelor, except with bagels
05:26:34 <Bike> One of the things SEP's article mentioning ultrafinitism ("ultra-finitism") cites about it is "Understanding the Infinite". that is the title
05:26:58 <Sgeo> Bike, I don't really like eating
05:27:04 <Sgeo> I tend to have to force myself to eat.
05:27:15 <Bike> oh i know people like that
05:27:25 <kmc> jupiter and beyond the infinite
05:27:52 <Bike> ultrafinitists don't believe in anything beyond jupiter kmc
05:28:16 <shachaf> i don't even believe in england
05:28:56 <monqy> sgeo have you considered liquid food
05:29:06 <Bike> It's too bad there aren't enough ultrafinitists for there to be pissing matches about who believes in less numbers. Though I guess restricting numbers that exist to computable vs defineable vs whatever is like that.
05:29:16 <monqy> then you can use a straw and it's less obtrusive. you can even use your hands while you suck it up
05:29:22 <Sgeo> I used to rely on Ensure when I was a kid
05:29:31 <Sgeo> I mean, I think I did eat solid food
05:29:35 <Sgeo> But lunch was Ensure
05:29:36 <shachaf> http://www.theonion.com/video/new-wearable-feedbags-let-americans-eat-more-move,14238/
05:29:46 <madbr> numbers exist up to 2^32-1
05:30:25 <Bike> you know i read part of a bajillion page thesis once that argued in part that what computers deal with aren't semantically numbers because wraparound is some dumb bullshit
05:31:07 <kmc> integers mod 2^32 are an ok algebraic structure aren't they
05:31:09 <shachaf> uhhhh numbers mod n are still numbers??
05:31:10 <madbr> ridiculous and also there are bignums
05:31:26 <madbr> which can totally be implemented in practice
05:31:28 <Bike> kmc: except for 2^32 not being prime, i guess.
05:31:35 <kmc> it's... almost prime
05:31:46 <Bike> it is like the opposite of prime it's made of twos
05:31:47 <shachaf> Maybe you have to pick a Mersenne prime for numbers mod 2^n to be good
05:31:47 <kmc> it has only one prime factor
05:31:55 <Bike> anyway i think i caricaturized the argument there
05:31:59 <shachaf> Hmm, that's not even 2^n. Never mind.
05:32:03 <Bike> just, pretend i said something that sounded less dumb
05:32:04 <elliott> bignums aren't really that big
05:32:14 <kmc> Bike i expect all arguments on IRC to be presented in full nuance and detail
05:32:17 <elliott> since you are limited by ram, which is guaranteed finite on pretty much every architecture
05:32:37 <Bike> uh... is there an architecture where it's not
05:32:48 <madbr> elliott: except you can interface with the HDD
05:32:56 <Bike> the HDD being infinite
05:33:03 <Bike> ram and beyond the infinite, i guess
05:33:09 <madbr> and if that's not enough you can interface with the CLOUD
05:33:10 <elliott> madbr: with finite addresses
05:33:29 <Bike> also doing arithmetic on media sounds slow and painful
05:33:44 <Bike> like i know they do it but. pain
05:34:08 <Bike> at that point you should probably just switch to interpreting the states of your machine in a manner consistent with larger numbers
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05:57:37 <elliott> Bike: we had a wonderful 20 seconds without you.
05:57:51 <Bike> why must you cause me such pain
05:58:41 <coppro> elliott: you missed a second
05:59:15 <Bike> thats so sad elliott
05:59:24 <Bike> have you tried being good at other things?
06:00:50 <coppro> elliott: what year of school are you in again?
06:01:40 <monqy> ???????????????????????????????
06:01:54 <Bike> don't be rude, monqy.
06:02:04 <monqy> ???????????????????????????????????????
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06:05:47 <coppro> he's designing a new language
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06:09:46 <Bike> monqy is the ghost of chuck moore
06:09:50 <monqy> nah i was just really confused
06:10:05 <Bike> is the idea of elliott being in school confusing
06:10:06 <monqy> still am but i've run out of steam you know
06:10:17 <monqy> nah it's more that coppro would ask in the manner he did, or perhaps even at all
06:10:27 <Bike> what if it was me asking
06:10:44 <Bike> hey elliott, what year of school you in?
06:10:51 <monqy> i'd be really confused if it was me asking, since that's not a question i like to ask
06:12:08 <Bike> i think i'll just assume that everybody in this channel is either slightly younger than me and in MENSA or slightly older than me and has three PhDs
06:12:38 <elliott> that doesn't account for oerjan who is a lot older than you (this applies regardless of your age)
06:12:50 <monqy> Q: is oerjan older than oerjan
06:12:59 <Bike> he's just an outlier
06:12:59 <pikhq> And I don't think we have any actual MENSA members.
06:13:13 <Bike> i don't think any of you have three PhDs either, but here we are
06:13:25 <Bike> with me sitting here making assumptions about you and writing shachaf fanfiction
06:13:33 <pikhq> Sure, I *could*. But why would i want to?
06:14:07 <Bike> get three PhDs? i don't know but it sounds like a hilariously bad decision
06:14:17 <pikhq> Join MENSA more-like.
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06:14:26 <Bike> oh. i have no idea. elitism?
06:14:30 <Bike> i guess that's an idea.
06:14:51 <Bike> But you're one of the ones slightly older than me, so you're ineligible.
06:15:34 <shachaf> shachaf fanfiction? i'd read that
06:15:42 <elliott> hey oerjan we were just talking about how old you are
06:15:45 <shachaf> well actually i'd probably skim it and get bored
06:15:50 <Bike> what, are you younger than me too
06:15:50 <shachaf> just like with most fanfiction
06:15:56 <Bike> am i some kind of giant of ages here
06:16:29 * oerjan shakes his cane at Bike
06:16:40 <elliott> Bike: btw you're really old
06:16:53 <oerjan> (disclaimer: i don't actually have a cane)
06:16:56 <elliott> i can't even imagine being 20. back me up here monqy
06:16:57 <pikhq> And oerjan is older than the Sun.
06:17:07 <monqy> being an adult sounds scary
06:17:11 <monqy> i dont think it actually exists
06:17:20 <Sgeo> Suddenly I feel old
06:17:27 <elliott> monqy: im going to be an adult in a few months :(
06:17:28 <monqy> probably i'll die on my 18th birthday and only my soulless husk will cary on
06:17:29 <pikhq> monqy: The secret is, you never actually become an adult.
06:17:32 <elliott> i don't know how to prepare
06:17:42 <pikhq> You just eventually realize that those kids are on *your* lawn!
06:17:45 <elliott> thinking about giving up on life and becoming a hermit
06:17:51 <pikhq> And those punks should get off!
06:17:54 <elliott> well i guess i already did that
06:18:09 <pikhq> elliott: I recommend against it.
06:18:13 <Bike> god if this channel is full of shut in weirdos too i don't know what i'm going to do. probably nothing
06:18:22 <elliott> pikhq: it worked for a few years
06:18:28 * Sgeo was born in the 80s
06:18:38 <elliott> Bike: is there some other channel also full of shut in weirdos. sounds literally impossible
06:18:54 <Bike> EVERY CHANNEL is full of shut in weirdos
06:18:55 <pikhq> Bike: I'm arguably not a shut-in?
06:19:06 <Bike> i'm starting to think irc isn't the best place to socialize with well-adjusted people!
06:19:31 <Fiora> I resemble that remark!
06:19:44 <pikhq> That's probably going to change at least a tiny bit once the antidepressants kick in though.
06:19:47 <elliott> iirc i was well-adjusted once
06:19:54 <HackEgo> 443) <oerjan> i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates.
06:19:57 <elliott> but i kind of grew out of it
06:20:17 <pikhq> Also, I've never been well-adjusted and never will be.
06:20:22 <Bike> i should probably find antidepressants that do something other than make me throw up but it's hard
06:21:03 <elliott> what more could you want out of an antidepressant
06:21:16 <Bike> well, not throwing up
06:21:21 <Bike> or maybe throwing up like, candy
06:21:28 <pikhq> elliott: I dunno, increasing extracellular serotonin in the brain?
06:21:30 <Bike> but then i'd get fat...
06:21:42 <monqy> you could donate the candy to starving children
06:21:43 <Bike> tough question, elliott. tough question.
06:21:44 <pikhq> Bike: No you wouldn't. That's calories lost!
06:22:01 <monqy> fatten them up for other starving children???
06:22:11 <elliott> are you suggesting starving children eat each other monqy
06:22:24 <monqy> well what do you do with the dead bodies
06:22:30 <monqy> might as well nourish the others
06:22:34 * Fiora looks up. wow, I'm old
06:22:36 <elliott> burn them for fuel to make antidepressants with probably
06:22:40 <pikhq> Soylent green is people, and also delicious.
06:22:46 <elliott> Fiora: i don't know how old you are but i agree
06:23:03 <Bike> fiora is in fact trans-pikhq in age
06:23:06 * kmc is also old
06:23:07 <Bike> terrifying to contemplate
06:23:15 <kmc> being an adult is something that sneaks up on you
06:23:27 <kmc> for most people anyway
06:23:28 <elliott> i think kmc is like half-way between me and fizzie or something
06:23:39 <kmc> if your parents are murdered by ninjas and you have to get revenge, that's different
06:23:41 <elliott> which is scary because I don't like the idea that there's a path between my age and fizzie's age
06:23:45 <pikhq> I'm not convinced that I'm an adult.
06:23:50 <kmc> i turned 25 last month
06:24:04 <oerjan> kmc: that _does_ sound pretty sneaking up too, actually
06:24:09 <elliott> have you got any grey hairs / wrinkles / heart diseases yet
06:24:34 <pikhq> But then I've spent much of the past few years barely plodding along, in some years practically being a hikikomori.
06:24:35 <kmc> probably one grey hair somewhere
06:24:41 <pikhq> You're not gonna be adult-feeling doing that.
06:24:44 <kmc> i think my heart is ok, trying to get in better shape though
06:24:44 <monqy> pikhq: is that a nerd culture thing
06:24:51 <oerjan> i have a bald spot on my head! does that count?
06:24:58 <pikhq> monqy: Hikikomori? No.
06:25:02 <kmc> my balls are very wrinkly but that's been the case for a long time
06:25:17 <elliott> oerjan: does it have heart disease
06:25:28 <oerjan> elliott: not to my knowledge.
06:25:32 <elliott> btw do you still look exactly like dijkstra
06:25:54 <oerjan> oh and i have some wrinkles under my eye.
06:25:54 <Bike> hikikomori is the japanese word for "shut in", except they also pathologize it (more)
06:26:26 <elliott> http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg picture of oerjan
06:26:56 <Bike> that... is that actually dijkstra?
06:26:57 <monqy> Bike: ah. so not quite but maybe tangentially related to nerds & their culture
06:27:00 <Bike> he looks way too young
06:27:12 <oerjan> http://oerjan.nvg.org/face.gif~ actual, but old picture.
06:27:15 <Bike> monqy: well there's also the implication that you spend all your time watching animes
06:27:24 <monqy> Bike: ah, that's the ticket
06:27:29 <oerjan> nearly 20 years old now, i think
06:27:52 <Bike> logically, pikhq must be really into Puellae Maegie Maudoukau Maugiukau
06:28:02 <monqy> i hear he's kind of a pedant about it
06:28:14 <elliott> oerjan: it's impossible to describe how wrong that camera is about your appearance
06:28:18 <pikhq> Bike: I did enjoy the series.
06:28:27 <elliott> guys tell me whether my link or oerjan's link looks more like oerjan
06:28:37 <monqy> i dont know what oerjan looks likle
06:28:46 <elliott> monqy: here's a pic http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg
06:28:49 <pikhq> And I'm psychotically pedantic at times.
06:28:50 <monqy> i'll just put oerjan's pic through "in 20 years"
06:28:55 <oerjan> elliott: i'm sure i must have mentioned that i cannot have a beard as i cannot stand the itching to get it
06:29:07 <elliott> well you kind of have to, sorry
06:29:08 <oerjan> (also because i don't have any actual desire to get one)
06:29:25 <Bike> pikhq: Psychotically pedantic... does that mean somebody's like "no it's spelt madokau" and you're like "ARG STOP SPLITTING INFINITIVES"
06:29:50 <pikhq> No, I'm also not literally insane.
06:30:02 <pikhq> Though I'm pushing it.
06:30:07 <Fiora> though everyone almost always thinks I'm younger until I start blathering about dumb cpu things
06:30:11 <Bike> well 'psychotic' means you hallucinate and shit right
06:30:16 <elliott> wow Fiora is almost as old as kmc
06:30:18 <elliott> and kmc is almost as old as fizzie
06:30:26 <elliott> and fizzie is... a few orders of magnitude away from oerjan
06:30:35 <pikhq> Fiora: Ah, you're nearly a lich then.
06:30:37 <Bike> fizzie is almost as old as oerjan's fourth generation spawn
06:30:42 <monqy> http://www.in20years.com/shared/8/ager/1303146/aged_wb20130314013004762421.png i think we have our answer
06:31:20 <elliott> soon fizzie will be old as the last syllable of the current aeonic utterance of oerjan, the ur-being, the maker & unmaker of all, the alpha, the omega, the being, the is, the isn't
06:32:20 <Fiora> there's something about always being assumed to be younger that makes one feel even older <.<
06:32:36 <pikhq> That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death my die?
06:32:44 <elliott> nice in20years.com has a field for whether you are a drug addict or not
06:32:55 <pikhq> Fiora: There's something damned odd about never getting carded.
06:32:57 <Bike> maybe you should just act like you're 107, and then surprise people when you reveal you're actually only barey transpikhq
06:33:36 <elliott> Oops.. We couldn't detect a face in the photo. Please try a different one.
06:33:38 <pikhq> Transpikhq... That is a very strange phrasing to me now.
06:33:38 <Fiora> pikhq: I'd imagine I'd get carded, and then they'd spend a minute looking it over for marks of a fake
06:33:42 <Fiora> but I've never bought alcohol
06:33:45 <elliott> thats what i got when i tried to age up the dijkstra photo
06:33:47 <pikhq> Life experience confuses!
06:33:52 <monqy> elliott: sometimes you can get it to detect faces on things that aren't actually faces
06:33:53 <Fiora> ... oh. actually. I did like, once, for a bottle of cooking wine.
06:33:54 <oerjan> monqy: i _do_ recognize a bit of those protruted cheeks, i'll admit.
06:34:22 <monqy> or it detects a face but it detects it in the wrong place
06:34:58 <Bike> pikhq: i basically have no idea how to decline your name i'm afraid
06:35:07 * Fiora poofs back to finishing up gundam 00
06:35:16 <pikhq> I don't know Latin either, so.
06:35:37 <Bike> plus i only know "kh" from like, "khanate" probably
06:35:43 <oerjan> monqy: wait you probably selected "drug addict", didn't you.
06:35:54 <Bike> "khq" is just ridiculous
06:36:10 <monqy> a striking resemblance???
06:36:10 <elliott> oerjan is a drug addict irl thats why he recognised the cheeks
06:36:54 <oerjan> Fiora: btw everyone always assumes me to be younger too.
06:37:17 <pikhq> "Transpikhq" is just weird to me cause I've somehow gotten to the point where "trans" -> "transgender" in my head.
06:37:19 <Bike> everyone except elliott, drummer to the mad god
06:37:21 <elliott> or actually on the internet
06:37:28 <elliott> because irl doesn't really count imho
06:37:30 <Bike> pikhq: i still associate trans/cis with chemistry
06:37:51 <Bike> cispikhq isomer
06:38:14 <monqy> 'trans' is everywhere
06:38:26 <monqy> sometimes i use the word 'transcend' i think it's a good word
06:38:35 <pikhq> Yeah, but my head has weird wiring.
06:38:47 <Bike> trans... cend... what's the etymology there
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06:39:27 <Bike> it's from "scandere", to climb in the french of yore
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06:39:47 <monqy> good etymology, thanks french
06:40:37 <elliott> just pretend i said something insensitive about french people here
06:40:53 <monqy> um elliott thats racist
06:41:01 <monqy> you should take that thing you said right there back
06:41:07 <oerjan> <monqy> how did you guess <-- i'm not _that_ ill looking yet. hth.
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06:41:21 <pikhq> monqy: That's cultural imperialism right there.
06:41:27 <Bike> madbr: looks to be the same, yep
06:41:30 <madbr> yeah what's this thing about ppl dissing the french
06:41:39 <pikhq> Don't you know, insensitivity to the French is a major, fundamental part of British culture?
06:41:55 <madbr> it's some dumb bush thing that people are taking seriously... wat
06:42:00 <Bike> elliott is just hateful, he's spent so much time yelling ineffectually at scotsmen that he has to take a break to yell ineffectively about (not even at!) french people
06:42:08 <Bike> oh this isn't an americanism
06:42:14 <elliott> Bike: you forgot: sometimes i yell at Bike.
06:42:26 <Bike> Ok, yes, he also hates luxembourg.
06:42:43 <monqy> sometimes i yell but in a calm and subdued manner. i can't think of a metaphor so just imagine that ok
06:42:48 <elliott> oerjan: have you noticed there is a slight halo surrounding you in that photo of you (the fake one on your website)
06:44:00 <elliott> not saying you're jesus but i'm saying there's at least a 70% chance
06:44:31 <Bike> isn't he like welsh? i thought jesus was japanese
06:46:10 <Bike> nice country in the summer
06:46:16 <elliott> when did you wake up oerjan
06:46:39 <oerjan> an hour and a half ago
06:47:10 <oerjan> i guess i'm in that brief period of my sleeping cycle which strange people consider "normal"
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06:48:41 <oerjan> (strange people who control the world)
06:49:12 <Bike> also control: the sun
06:49:34 <oerjan> <Sgeo> There is a Pope. <-- what, already?
06:50:03 <pikhq> Kinda short interregnum there.
06:50:18 <elliott> oerjan: they managed to find an old white catholic guy quickly enough
06:50:21 <elliott> how did they do it????????????
06:50:41 <Bike> the papal conclave is too secretive for us to know
06:51:08 <oerjan> elliott: maybe they collected all the sufficiently old white catholig guys in one place, locked them inside and forced them to choose one among themselves. but that's of course ridiculous.
06:51:15 <pikhq> Though they failed to find an old European Catholic guy.
06:51:36 <fizzie> Old white catatonic guy.
06:51:54 <pikhq> He's from Argentina.
06:52:04 <elliott> well argentinia is basically european imo
06:52:06 <oerjan> does he know how to tango?
06:52:07 <Bike> children of italians but close enough
06:52:14 <elliott> pretty european name for a country
06:52:17 <pikhq> elliott: South America.
06:52:27 <oerjan> Bike: i guess they need to take it one step at a time
06:52:38 <elliott> pikhq: yes. basically europe
06:52:41 <oerjan> no big leaps like the US choosing an islamic terrorist
06:52:56 <Bike> maybe they just need to find a sufficiently conservative ghanaian
06:53:04 <shachaf> Señorita Nina, from Argentina, knew all the answers / Although her relatives and friends were perfect dancers / She swore she'd never dance a step until she died
06:53:06 <elliott> how about someone from guam
06:53:20 <Bike> sounds good to me
06:53:23 <pikhq> And unsurprisingly, he's very anti-homosexuality.
06:53:34 <Bike> wide reforms in the areas of architecture design and JRPG outfits
06:53:44 <pikhq> Of course, the first Pope in favor of it will probably get accused of being the Antichrist.
06:53:53 <Bike> and yeah he's conservative as hell, what else is new
06:54:02 <shachaf> pikhq: The Antipope, surely?
06:54:06 <shachaf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI
06:54:15 <pikhq> shachaf: That's not a "the".
06:54:22 <pikhq> There's been multiple antipopes in history.
06:54:40 <shachaf> There have been multiple popes, and yet people say "the pope"
06:54:49 <Bike> there are multiple ones right now, though i think the spanish guy is the one people mention most
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06:54:58 <Bike> pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Babylon_One_World_Faith today i found out that Left Behind is right on the pulse of catholicism.
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06:56:22 <pikhq> Yeah, kinda like how when one refers to "The Queen" you mean Elizabeth II, by the grace of God Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, defender of the faith...
06:56:55 <pikhq> Bike: That... what
06:57:17 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H.H._Pope_Shenouda_III_smiling_while_giving_a_word.jpg I think other popes kind of get the short shrift, really
06:57:24 <Bike> i mean look at that hat. it's a pope hat alright
06:58:22 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pope_Theodoros_II_of_Alexandria.jpg ooh the present pope was a pharmacist
06:58:41 <pikhq> I am very confused by that Left Behind thing.
06:59:06 <Bike> What's confusing?
06:59:22 <pikhq> Nothing about it makes any sense!
06:59:35 <Bike> well, yeah, it's millenialist nuttines.
06:59:59 <Bike> It's like a Chick tract with worse art.
07:00:41 <pikhq> As though a rapture would produce a global religion of any form...
07:01:15 <pikhq> Much less such a strange universalist thing.
07:01:37 <pikhq> (who the hell does Catholic universalism?!?)
07:01:52 <Bike> people who seriously think things like "muhammad was a catholic agent"
07:02:39 <pikhq> Also, using "Pontifex Maximus" as though it's some sort of evil title. Lawl.
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07:04:01 <Bike> Pontifex does sound kind of evil if you have a twelve-year-old's knowledge of latin (hi), admittedly
07:04:20 <pikhq> Sigh, reading the Wikipedia page, and realizing I actually know the weird Christian theological terminology.
07:04:21 <monqy> pontifex is spooky and bad juju
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07:04:45 <pikhq> ("amillenial", "postmillenial", "premillenial" etc)
07:05:26 <Bike> i only know the ancient stuff ("marcionist") with a smattering of weirdness like dominionism
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07:07:15 * oerjan declares the logs too damn long today
07:26:01 <FreeFull> So I'm reading a thread about someone who doesn't understand Applicative
07:26:15 <FreeFull> And I'm confused how you wouldn't understand Applicative
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08:01:24 <oerjan> hm... when i become world dictator i think i will make it illegal to have a "like" button if you don't have a "dislike" one.
08:02:22 <elliott> mashing Bike's dislike button as we speak
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08:03:53 <oerjan> of course there will be a swat button, which only i may press.
08:04:03 <elliott> you would be a good dictator
08:04:18 <oerjan> but there's no use in putting it on a website, since the website won't exist afterwards anyway.
08:07:42 <oerjan> this resembles my predicament in some way. i think you may understand it even without the veterinary's text bubble. http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/?1363215600&d=-1
08:08:25 <olsner> someone stole your squeeze toy?
08:08:50 <oerjan> i don't recall ever having one, but i guess it _is_ possible.
08:09:47 <elliott> oerjan: do people in norway think comics like this make any sense
08:10:08 <olsner> it's not impossible that the comic is swedish but translated
08:10:29 <olsner> ah, no, it's the other way around
08:11:09 <oerjan> pondus is rather surrealistic at times. it's like a bit of bill amends' foxtrot and a bit of bud grace's ernie/piranha club
08:11:24 <oerjan> (that's the comparison i thought of once.)
08:11:51 <oerjan> and it has pretty clearly passed its prime, but still sometimes amusing.
08:12:15 <oerjan> (it used to be norway's most popular comic)
08:12:45 <elliott> so all things decay in norway too
08:12:45 <oerjan> actually i guess it's got back to _more_ surrealism lately.
08:13:51 <oerjan> recently i read norwegian's are gaining weight faster than any other europeans.
08:14:53 <oerjan> elliott: anyway the comic makes sense to me as a symbol of the futility of fighting the universe's annoyingness. hth.
08:15:47 <oerjan> olsner: the main comic to go the other way is "rocky"
08:16:12 <oerjan> at this time dagbladet has _two_ kellerman comics.
08:16:38 <olsner> kellerman is the one who does rocky?
08:18:29 <olsner> didn't know he made anything except rocky
08:18:58 <oerjan> well the other one is sort of drawn twitters.
08:19:24 <oerjan> http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/kellermannen/
08:19:56 <oerjan> as in, i vaguely recall that's how it supposedly started.
08:21:00 <oerjan> "Ny tegneserie for twittergenerasjonen fra skaperen av Rocky."
08:21:08 <oerjan> maybe that's just where i got it from.
08:24:45 <oerjan> "A binary brown dwarf system, WISE 1049-5319, is observed 6.5 light-years from Earth, making it the closest star system discovered since 1916."
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08:25:15 <oerjan> nice that they can still find new stars that close...
08:25:27 <oerjan> or maybe embarassing. who knows.
08:25:56 * oerjan throws some pi at elliott
08:26:12 <oerjan> that's what people do today, right?
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08:26:47 <elliott> is it bad american calendar day
08:27:43 <oerjan> well what can we do, april only has 30 days
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08:29:08 <fizzie> oerjan: 6.5 light-years, that's like a stone's throw away.
08:29:36 <oerjan> a fairly small stone, thrown very fast.
08:36:44 <oerjan> "In 1868, Sirius became the first star to have its velocity measured. Sir William Huggins examined the spectrum of this star and observed a noticeable red shift. He concluded that Sirius was receding from the Solar System at about 40 km/s.[36][37] Compared to the modern value of −7.6 km/s,[2] this both was an overestimate and had the wrong sign; the minus means it is approaching the Sun. However, it is notable for introducing the study of celestial
08:36:46 <fizzie> 42.1 km/s to escape Sun's gravity, starting from Earth, says Wikipedia's list of escape velocities.
08:36:59 <fizzie> "-- study of celestial".
08:38:27 <oerjan> celestial radial velocities."
08:38:49 <fizzie> I think it worked better without that.
08:38:58 <fizzie> The study of celestial, it sounds more important.
08:40:23 <oerjan> i didn't notice your comment that my line had been cut off, as i was busy looking up my line in the tunes logs to see if it had been cut off, but unfortunately the tunes logs had been cut off just before my line so i had to switch back to codu.
08:41:03 <oerjan> (i had switched to tunes a while ago when glogbot had connection problems.)
08:41:03 <olsner> you could've asked us :)
08:41:33 <oerjan> well the thing is i wasn't sure if it had been cut off at all, in which case asking you would be just making noise, right? hth.
08:41:55 <oerjan> besides i have a strange hangup about asking people in general.
08:42:57 <elliott> was there something wrong with the codu logs
08:43:59 <oerjan> elliott: not at this moment, no. but once i switch i tend not to switch back since i just look up the address in my address line history.
08:45:06 <oerjan> i mean, i offer my housemate lozenges and i _completely_ fail to get through the part of my request that is "please take them before your coughing makes me kill you."
08:46:08 <elliott> that seems more like a murder hangup
08:46:49 <oerjan> the thing is, murdering them might end up getting me even _worse_ living accomodations, unlikely as it seems.
08:46:51 <olsner> "eat these or I will kill you" could be misinterpreted
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08:47:26 <elliott> i hear norwegian prisons are pretty nice
08:48:02 <oerjan> yes, yes they are. so i'm not _entirely_ sure it would be worse. but it would certainly ruin my daily restaurant visit.
08:48:04 <ion> You could get out of the country before anyone finds the body.
08:48:33 <oerjan> ion: i seem to have "getting out of the country" hangup too.
08:48:49 <elliott> oerjan: go to guam and become pope
08:49:05 <olsner> oerjan: I think they'll generally provide food for you, so the daily restaurant visit wouldn't be useful anyway
08:50:22 <oerjan> olsner: true, but the visit is an important part of how i keep the last sliver of sanity.
08:51:41 <oerjan> (it's a small sliver.)
08:55:23 <olsner> frame the relevant part of the restaurant staff so they end up in jail with you
08:56:09 <oerjan> they're mostly foreigners, in the current political climate they might end up deported instead.
09:06:14 <elliott> Fiora: hi, we're talking about the history of applied mathematics in russia circa 1823-1827
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09:17:19 <Fiora> phew. long anime marathon
09:18:19 <elliott> are you still alive or did you die of an anime overdose
09:21:26 <Fiora> I survived the gundams
09:23:10 <Fiora> the flood of plotting, intrigue, arbitrary plot-induced powerups, and sexy gundam pilots
09:26:37 <elliott> if we work hard we can conquer all the animes by 2015
09:27:44 <Fiora> but they keep making more animes!
09:27:46 <Fiora> whatever will we do?
09:28:01 <monqy> kill them so they stop
09:28:58 <elliott> monqy that's going too far...... we just have to jail the animes for life
09:29:05 <elliott> it's the only way to control the epidemic
09:29:26 <monqy> are you sure we have enough jail
09:29:50 <Fiora> (I am actually super bad at watching anime, I get stalled so often and have soooo many good series I should see but haven't)
09:30:05 <elliott> you have built up a resistance to it
09:30:09 <elliott> not everyone is so fortunate!
09:35:05 <Fiora> why would one want to be resistant to good things
09:36:51 <elliott> sometimes we have wars that make no sense. it's a metaphor for real life
09:37:48 <Fiora> that sounds like a description of gundam
09:38:21 <elliott> see. everything reflects everything else.
09:45:20 <elliott> you just don't appreciate anime theory
09:50:24 <Fiora> elliott is majoring in anime theory
09:50:28 <Fiora> a bachelor's of anime
09:50:53 <elliott> this knowledge certainly makes one a bachelor
09:53:27 <Fiora> with a minor in bishonen studies
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11:10:56 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
11:16:30 <fizzie> There are so many lists these days.
11:18:40 <elliott> we should delete them all.
12:09:51 <HackEgo> bin/elist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/list \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist
12:29:05 <elliott> wow how is there so much shit
12:29:59 <HackEgo> echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit
12:30:20 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, well based on all the tests lying around i have one principal suspect
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12:45:34 <HackEgo> ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
12:46:17 <monqy> there's still ^list though
12:46:45 <elliott> unfortunately fungot lacks the introspection capabilities that drive the advanced `list technology.
12:46:45 <fungot> elliott: defined in 108?
12:46:50 <fungot> elliott: a bit down about the usage of common scheme. don't know if we can represent multiple, otherwise non-printable fnord
12:55:23 * Sgeo wtfs at the scrollbar http://tech.pro/tutorial/1152/demystifying-linq
12:56:55 <ion> I don’t see anything wrong with the scrollbar.
12:57:55 <monqy> sometimes sites pull stuff like that
12:59:32 <Lumpio-> There was something mystic about linq?
13:00:31 <monqy> think of a thing. i'm sure there's "something" "mystic" "about" "it"
13:00:49 <Sgeo> The way it can pull apart lambdas is weird. Which the article doesn't touch on
13:02:26 <Lumpio-> I also doesn't mention IQueryable even thought it mentions databases at the start.
13:03:05 <Lumpio-> ...do you know how it analyzes lambdas though?
13:03:55 <Sgeo> No, but someone in the Reddit thread linked to a series of posts about it
13:03:58 <Sgeo> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mattwar/archive/2008/11/18/linq-links.aspx
13:04:38 <Lumpio-> Well the trick is that a lambda expression can either be compiled as a method or an expression tree
13:05:01 <Lumpio-> It's just a compiler trick. There are no "lambdas" at runtime
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16:02:38 <Taneb> My maths class had a Pi day celebration today
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16:08:30 <Taneb> Also, I need to find an alternative to Google Reader
16:12:15 <Phantom_Hoover> just hang in there until the new specialiser-based list architecture is complete
16:17:08 <Taneb> But how will I keep track of these 16 webcomics
16:18:45 <shachaf> Taneb: Make 16 lists, have Sgeo keep track for you.
16:20:59 <Taneb> (for Homestuck he has a bot in another channel)
16:21:08 <Sgeo> And an app on my phone
16:21:13 <Taneb> (I think it's generally faster than reader)
16:21:47 <Sgeo> For OOTS I do have reader, but more often then not I notice for other reasons, like my Facebook page has the update
16:22:22 <Sgeo> I've noticed new OOTS often because someone liked my post about new OOTS
16:23:29 <elliott> sgeo have you considered working at a webcomics update company
16:24:00 <Bike> Telling You Things Are Happening LLC
16:24:23 <Phantom_Hoover> "team player, will notify fellow coworkers of webcomic updates"
16:24:59 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: popelist: not found
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16:29:47 <Sgeo> I may have liked that particular tweet, even if I don't like his approach to arguing? Let me look for the tweet in question
16:29:54 <Bike> he has a twitter?
16:30:01 <Bike> sgeo i mean, of course morgan does
16:30:10 <Sgeo> https://twitter.com/sgeocomet
16:31:24 <Bike> "No offense, but it is annoying how the Trickster text isn't copy/pasteable and isn't searchable." important issues
16:31:37 <Taneb> Is Sgeo's name actually Sgeo
16:32:10 <Taneb> S. George Johanssen
16:32:23 <Sgeo> "Sam Geometry" does bear some similarity to my name
16:32:40 <boily> Sébastien Gabriel Ernest Olivier?
16:33:54 <Sgeo> I think I used Tlhds as my currency name when I played NationStates when I was young
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16:35:31 <fizzie> Wired. Wierd. Weird, I mean. I open up Chromium's "Extensions" page, and drag-and-drop a UserScript .js into it; before I drop, it pops up the usual "drop to install" infobox, but when I actually drop, it just navigates to that file as it would if I drag-and-dropped any file into any regular tab.
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16:37:05 <fizzie> It did not do that at wurk.
16:37:14 <fizzie> Though that was real Chrome, not the diet-Chromium.
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17:25:14 <Taneb> News in Hexham: "Extra day scrapped"
17:25:30 <Taneb> "Miner's race goes downhill this year!"
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17:26:12 <oerjan> down _through_ the hill, one would assume.
17:26:48 <Taneb> One would assume that, yes
17:26:56 <oerjan> any person to hit lava automatically wins.
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17:42:39 <Taneb> I wonder how quickly I could put together a Scandinavia and the World's Finland cosplay
17:43:05 <Lumpio-> Buy a knife and a vodka bottle
17:43:28 <Taneb> I'll also need a hat
17:43:46 <boily> the hat is important, as is the facial hair.
17:45:38 <Taneb> I already have the facial hair
17:45:49 <Taneb> The hat isn't too hard to get hold of
17:48:51 <boily> what was the word that Finland said again?
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18:00:44 <fizzie> SATW updates rather rarely.
18:03:16 <Taneb> It's like the third least updatey webcomic I read
18:03:42 <fizzie> ELER updates quite rarely too.
18:03:53 <Fiora> I think dresden codak might update even slower?
18:04:28 <Taneb> The second and first are Awkward Fumbles and Goost 26
18:04:45 <Taneb> Goost 26 is a sci-fi comic written by some guy my dad used to know
18:05:40 <Bike> one of the webcomics i has like two years between updates, it's great, it always goes dead between
18:05:41 <fizzie> There are like 9 new Dresden Codak storyline strips since I last looked.
18:06:09 <Taneb> But yeah, I'm going to an anime con soon where I know there will be a lot of Axis Powers: Hetalia fans
18:06:28 * Bike goes to look. last update: august 2010
18:06:43 <Fiora> just don't mention you like a ship that they don't!
18:07:18 <Bike> hungary/abkhazia 4 lyfe
18:07:33 <Taneb> So I'm gonna cosplay SATW and confuse everyone
18:07:45 <Fiora> and now I'm thinking about all of the countries in gundam 00 for some reason
18:07:52 <Fiora> and their future-history of the middle east and ethnic conflicts
18:08:42 <Bike> did it predict syria
18:09:38 <Fiora> it's much farther future, like, one thing that happens is the kurds finally secede and create their own country, which naturally gets involved in another mess of an ethnic conflict resulting in its absorption into a neighboring country again
18:09:48 <Fiora> (and the protagonist is kurdish)
18:10:09 <Bike> kurdish independence? it really is science fiction
18:10:17 <Fiora> it also does the whole "gosh what happens when the middle east runs out of oil" thing
18:10:43 <Fiora> much of the show's plot sort of revolves around the massive economic problems caused by a switch to global solar energy, and the obsoleting of oil
18:11:46 <Taneb> Wouldn't the middle east still be pretty good for solar energy?
18:14:06 <Fiora> the basic premise is that there was a huge project to build an orbital solar collector (as a ring) connected to the earth by 3 big space elevators
18:15:21 <Bike> Taneb: http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/news/6/
18:15:53 <Fiora> this would surely solve conflicts over energy and resources, right? well except of course the power blocs that own the 3 big space elevators have a lot of coercive power since they can say "do X or you don't get power"
18:17:03 <Fiora> and then there's a lot of political conflict in countries that aren't part of the major blocks, with fundamentalists and nationalists who don't want to accede to the demands of the major power blocks, and resent their imperialism
18:20:23 <Fiora> Bike: actually, like, seriousthought. I can't think of any other tv show, like, ever, with a seriously portrayed/not-stereotypical middle-eastern protagonist o_O
18:20:51 <Bike> i can think of another anime, though he's half-japanese because it's anime.
18:21:40 <Bike> maybe Community? I haven't seen it. Also he's probably American.
18:21:56 <kmc> Community is an anime now?
18:22:08 <kmc> i would watch that
18:22:13 <kmc> actually they already did a short anime segment
18:22:47 <Fiora> but yeah like I am fangirling over this show now that I've finished it and it was kinda wonderful and stuff
18:23:09 <Bike> do TV adaptations of the Bible maybe count
18:23:30 <Bike> if they're not whitewashed, anyhow
18:23:32 <Fiora> I wonder how many of those don't have white people playing moses
18:23:43 <Fiora> but yeah, I don't think that counts for a modern portrayal <.<
18:24:09 <Bike> other than that all that comes to mind is media by them
18:24:17 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mosque_on_the_Prairie
18:24:20 <Bike> like uh... what was that popular cartoon that woman did. something opolis
18:25:04 <kmc> "While the show does derive some of its humour from exploring the interactions of the Muslims with the non-Muslim townspeople of Mercy... at its core the show is essentially a traditional sitcom whose most unique trait is the simple fact of being set among an underrepresented and misunderstood cultural community"
18:25:19 <Bike> yeah, i've heard good things about it
18:25:25 <kmc> i haven't seen it
18:25:27 <kmc> it's on Hulu
18:25:38 <Bike> oh! persepolis, that was it
18:26:18 <Fiora> ooh, that looks rather cool
18:26:50 <Bike> there's a saudi arabian guy on SA who did some comics about his life, they're weird to read (because, well, it's not that different)
18:27:43 <Bike> apparently members of the family are usually entitled jerks
18:33:03 <Bike> http://al-saqr.deviantart.com/art/Cartoon-Racism-265518461 ah there we go. this is great
18:36:10 <kmc> the onion has good over the top right wing political cartoons
18:36:18 <kmc> and yes they always include the statue of liberty crying in a corner
18:36:52 <Bike> You've Got Fail
18:37:55 <Bike> have you seen Kelly's youtube videos
18:38:16 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtbkQMwJS4 you should
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18:46:52 <Taneb> Where can I get or make a t-shirt bearing the flag of Finland
18:47:14 <shachaf> @google finland flag t-shirt
18:47:16 <lambdabot> http://www.zazzle.com/finland_flag_t_shirt-235009520674383859
18:47:17 <lambdabot> Title: Finland Flag T-shirt from Zazzle.com
18:47:42 <shachaf> Wouldn't the flag of Hexham be more appropriate for you?
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18:50:20 <Taneb> Alas, Hexham does not have a flag
18:50:29 <Taneb> Also, that's not quite what I want
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18:54:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care.
18:55:12 <Phantom_Hoover> wow, i never realised phenol was a great way to get some carbs
18:56:06 <Phantom_Hoover> "Raw Potassium is extremely reactive, so I use potassium gluconate, C6H11KO7."
18:56:26 <Bike> huh apparently that's actually how "carbohydrate" is defined
18:56:55 <Bike> not nutritionally, obviously
18:57:01 <ais523> I thought it also required a 2:1 ratio of hydrogen to oxygen
18:57:01 <lambdabot> ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
18:57:05 <lambdabot> elliott said 1d 2h 11m 42s ago: any idea about http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DNA-Sharp&curid=2720&diff=35666&oldid=31940? site owner, maybe?
18:57:17 <Bike> apparently not
18:57:19 <ais523> all edible carbohydrates I know of have that ratio
18:57:32 <Bike> "Some exceptions exist; for example, deoxyribose, a component of DNA, has the empirical formula C_5H_10O_4"
18:57:53 <ais523> that's where the "deoxy" in the name comes from
18:57:57 <ais523> it has one less oxygen than it should
18:58:11 <Bike> what a loser of a carb
18:59:17 <Phantom_Hoover> (wow, there aren't many common polymers with oxygen in them)
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19:00:00 <Bike> also: i like the idea of monopotassium being something you'd ever even consider eating
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19:00:12 <Phantom_Hoover> " For others such as K, P, Ca, Mg, check your local lab supply store or university."
19:00:14 <boily> nylon has some oxygens here and there.
19:00:32 <boily> I am not an idiot!
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19:00:47 <Bike> check your local lab supply store for your necessary calcium
19:00:57 <Bike> i mean man, even if this wasn't cracked, think of the logistical issues.
19:05:53 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean beyond not understanding the term 'fit for human consumption'
19:06:05 <Bike> i mean, consider if this guy got a following
19:06:27 <Bike> i don't think lab supply places have sufficient output of calcium to support more than a few people (if they could support people)
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19:07:54 <Bike> though i don't know his ideology, why would you ever come up with this shit
19:08:10 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean i guess there are people who just don't enjoy food
19:08:14 <Fiora> Phantom_Hoover: you will survive on cellulose
19:08:22 <Fiora> what wonderful carbohydrates that are full of nutrition
19:08:52 <Bike> eating grass would be more survivable than phenol, that's for sure
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19:09:38 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phenol_2_grams.jpg mm-mm, good
19:10:13 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lignin_structure.svg Wow, what a compound.
19:10:30 <Fiora> it's an acid, it burns through your skin
19:10:47 <Fiora> I'm not sure you'd survive to test the cancerousness of it
19:11:11 <Bike> hm this means i am presently surrounded by towers of lignin. awesome
19:11:35 <Phantom_Hoover> however: "Repeated or prolonged skin contact with phenol may cause dermatitis, or even second and third-degree burns.[35] Inhalation of phenol vapor may cause lung edema.[34] The substance may cause harmful effects on the central nervous system and heart, resulting in dysrhythmia, seizures, and coma.[36]"
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19:11:56 <Sgeo> Wait, so the guy making the drink thing that replaces food doesn't know what he's talking about?
19:12:32 <Fiora> it could also be that the articles are dumbing it down?
19:12:40 <nooodl> lignin structure looks like a maze
19:12:59 <Bike> Fiora: i think suggesting going to lab supply stores for your meals is beyond dumbing it down
19:12:59 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, well I can't see anything glaringly wrong with the actual ingredients, though I'm no expert.
19:13:19 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, oh, I thought the channel was pointing out glaringly wrong things or something
19:13:22 <Phantom_Hoover> But putting any lab-grade chemicals in your mouth is very stupid indee.
19:14:13 <Fiora> that's kind of crazy
19:14:32 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, hmm, why?
19:14:35 <Fiora> I think you can get a lot of powdered food-grade vitamins and minerals and stuff online easily enough?
19:14:49 <Sgeo> Are the materials likely to be impure?
19:14:49 <Fiora> I heard it's a lot cheaper than actually buying capsules if you really really feel like measuring it all out
19:14:53 <Bike> Sgeo: your body is not used to handling pure potassium.
19:14:59 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, because lab-grade chemicals are filtered to remove stuff that will fuck up the reactions.
19:15:15 <Fiora> yeah, the form of the mineral is super important
19:15:19 <Phantom_Hoover> This is not the same as filtering them to remove stuff that will kill or harm you.
19:15:33 <Fiora> oh, so he's not asking you to get raw potassium
19:15:41 <Phantom_Hoover> He seemed chuffed that he'd avoided such an obvious beginner's mistake.
19:15:46 <Bike> fiora: "Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care." this could be dumbing it down but if so it is very dangerous dumbing
19:16:11 <Fiora> and even among edible carbodydrates, that is just, agh, so wrong
19:16:17 <Fiora> fructose and glucose use completely different metabolic pathways
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19:17:20 <Sgeo> Hmm, what could kill you that wouldn't fuck up lab reactions?
19:17:37 <Bike> it would literally explode in your mouth
19:17:44 <Sgeo> Well, besides the actual substance in question
19:17:45 <Fiora> maybe isomers of something that you'renot supposed to eat isomers of?
19:17:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, really pure lab ethanol contains significant quantities of benzene, iirc.
19:18:18 <Fiora> or like, a chemical that is 99% of The Molecule You Want and 1% of a Similar Thing With Slightly Changed Structure That Causes Cancer
19:18:31 <Bike> i mean you know chem labs usually have "do not eat or drink anything in this room" rules for a reason
19:18:45 <Phantom_Hoover> Because it removes water more effectively than distillation.
19:18:49 <Fiora> I'm guessing in some cases the chemical synthesis pathways might be different, like there's an easy way to make some chemical X, but produces small amounts of dangerous thing Y, so food synthesis has to use a different, more expensive pathway?
19:19:24 <Fiora> but I'm totally guessing
19:19:30 <Fiora> I don't actually know anything about organic chemistry
19:20:07 <Phantom_Hoover> I think like with the ethanol example you can also have something which doesn't matter for food but will mess with experiments.
19:20:27 <Fiora> oh right, there was a great example! trans fats
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19:20:44 <Fiora> they're just a mirrored isomer of something fine, butthey turned out to be toxic
19:22:14 <Bike> they are called "trans" because they're mirrored, cool
19:22:23 * Sgeo still likes the core idea of not having to eat food
19:22:24 <Bike> that seems really obvious in retrospect
19:23:04 <Bike> 's what wikipedia says
19:23:05 <Phantom_Hoover> trans refers to the way the carbons are arranged around a double bond
19:23:26 <Bike> mreeeeeeh cistrans, mirrored, same diff
19:23:58 <Phantom_Hoover> compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trans-2-butene.svg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cis-2-butene.svg
19:24:01 <Fiora> freakin' transphobia
19:25:17 <Fiora> thalidomides have a non-toxic isomer?
19:25:51 <Bike> Sgeo: the fundamental problem here is probably that your body is "designed" to deal with regular food, and any protein pellet like thing is basically going to have to hack around that
19:26:36 <Sgeo> http://www.reddit.com/r/qntm
19:27:59 <Sgeo> Funny, I only noticed on the qntm subreddits, but it's a Reddit thing
19:29:36 <metasepia> Software description: repo for gollum based wiki - qntm (JavaScript).
19:29:48 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, i think this is that thing that kmc complains about where people think that just by being clever enough you can solve any problem you feel like
19:30:09 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: it seems to come up a lot in relation to the medical sciences.
19:30:33 <Taneb> I'd say that you can solve any problem you like but sometimes the solution is worse than the problem
19:30:37 <Bike> thankfully sgeo isn't peddling alkaline water or something
19:31:19 <Fiora> you should buy this water oxygenation machine!
19:31:26 <kmc> with my CS degree I am automatically an expert in law, medicine, and politics
19:31:26 <Fiora> proven to increase the size of my wallet for each one Iell!
19:31:59 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, btw i won't complain if you complain about this guy
19:32:15 <kmc> this guy = bike?
19:32:28 <Bike> yeah bike sucks
19:32:37 <Bike> but no he means uh
19:32:44 <Bike> http://robrhinehart.com/ this guy
19:32:56 <Bike> (note that while bike sucks, biking as an action is fine)
19:33:12 <Bike> Fiora: apparently Kurzweil is into it. sad
19:33:37 <Fiora> he's the one who eats like, 200 different health supplements
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19:33:50 <Bike> the shotgun approach to health
19:34:23 <Phantom_Hoover> i think it was elliott who said, "the singularity will occur the day before ray kurzweil would otherwise die"
19:34:27 <kmc> well at least this person has done /some/ relevant research
19:34:30 <kmc> and also is collecting data
19:34:41 <kmc> though mostly anecdata
19:35:49 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, well for me the most damning parts were him saying that all carbohydrates are the same, and that he thinks a lab supplier is a good source of ingredients.
19:36:32 <Bike> what we need is more molecular gastronomists
19:36:37 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: well lab suppliers give you ingredients at higher purity than a particular supermarket
19:36:40 <ais523> but that's normally higher than you need
19:36:47 <ais523> Bike: there's Heston Blumenthal
19:36:50 <ais523> not sure if there are any others, though
19:36:58 <Taneb> I think the real issue is how much I suck at installing graphics card
19:37:10 <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, we talked about this earlier, lab reagents are not safe for human consumption.
19:37:33 <Phantom_Hoover> you can have impurities that are fine in a lab but toxic to humans
19:37:48 <kmc> 'An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s “Trapped in the Closet” Hip Hopera'
19:37:52 <kmc> this might actually be the best blog
19:38:03 <Bike> if it involves trapped in the closet it is the best blog
19:38:11 <Bike> oh man, they're making a relationship graph, aren't they!
19:38:32 <Taneb> Is that the one Weird Al parodied
19:38:50 <Bike> it has to be seen to be believed
19:38:55 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-L-Cp3qZfQ
19:39:25 <Phantom_Hoover> aha, someone who does know their shit: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=424#comment-514
19:39:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, isn't that cop the biology teacher from community
19:40:03 <Bike> notable for having R Kelly trying to sound Southern
19:40:22 <Bike> and i don't know
19:42:12 <Bike> nope, the midget is properly introduced in the next episode
19:42:41 <Bike> his name is Big Man, because he has a huge penis
19:43:35 <Phantom_Hoover> then he continues to rough up the midget as though the midget was under attack
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19:44:22 <Bike> also this is pretty meta because Kelly plays the main character but /also/ the narrator there, and they are separate
19:44:32 <Bike> but this isn't clear up until he comes out of the closet!
19:46:02 <Phantom_Hoover> which, i understand, is actually not an allegory at all
19:47:13 <Bike> well it kind of is, the whole story is about people lying to each other about sexual conduct
19:47:16 <Fiora> Phantom_Hoover: didn't the guy also make a thing about how he used complex carbohydrates for health reasons?
19:47:17 <Bike> most of them aren't gay though
19:47:39 <Fiora> but yeah, all his descriptions seem to be confusing <.<
19:49:22 <Phantom_Hoover> also i overlooked this passage: "It's a difficult field because there are simply too many variables and the parameters are difficult to control precisely. This is why diets are fads. I decided to ditch nutrition and focus on biology."
19:49:50 <Bike> not very inclined to introspection, this guy
19:51:12 <Fiora> but but nutrition is biology
19:51:37 <Phantom_Hoover> i guess by focusing on biology he's eliminated all those variables and parameters
19:52:01 <Phantom_Hoover> also: he's apparently missing choline which is apparently important
19:52:31 <Bike> bodies are basically linear operators, donchaknow
19:53:17 <Phantom_Hoover> also he didn't realise you can't absorb both iron and calcium at once
19:53:54 <Phantom_Hoover> it's almost as if human nutrition is a complex field you can sink years into studying full-time
19:54:03 <Bike> Fiora: you still haven't announced fiorasm on fioraaeterna have you
19:54:27 <Fiora> trying to go nutrient by nutrient seems really dangerous because I don't think we actually know all of the essential nutrients?
19:54:47 <Bike> it's probably too reductionist to actually work
19:54:52 <Fiora> ummm I guess I don't figure most of my followers would be interested
19:55:04 <Bike> maybe you'll be surprised!
19:55:45 <Fiora> but fiber is just carbohydrates, they're all the same!
19:57:17 <boily> carbohydrates will never be the same!
19:58:32 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean if he was working with actual scientists something useful might come of this, but at present he's just going to end up making an idiot of himself
19:59:53 <Bike> chemical engineers doing nutrition could be cool
20:01:41 <Phantom_Hoover> biologists would be more useful; the aim would be to see if he's missing anything by monitoring his health rigorously
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20:02:03 <Bike> probably duriing the cold war at some point
20:02:17 <Bike> also one of the responses to that comment you linked was "well then how do you explain that he felt well!" so
20:03:42 <Phantom_Hoover> i can't believe nobody's pointed out to him that "i feel good" vs. "my intestine-sense tells me i lack iron" is a godawful way of measuring anything
20:04:10 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, you should point it out
20:06:00 <Bike> no! he was so young
20:06:05 * Taneb is dead due to lack of boron in his intestine
20:06:10 <Bike> so young and boronic
20:06:49 <Phantom_Hoover> also apparently his soy protein base contains a compound that binds to oestrogen receptors
20:06:50 <AnotherTest> I need to teach something very basic and practical of programming (with PHP, unfortunately) to a bunch of people that have absolutely no idea about programming (or computers really) in about 40 minutes. What could I possible teach them?
20:06:56 * boily pours borax on Taneb. may your afterlife be boron-rich. amen.
20:07:39 <Bike> AnotherTest: stereotypical example like the guessing game
20:07:54 <ais523> AnotherTest: I used to use stereogram generators as an example of that, the algorithm is really really simple, like 7 or 8 lines in most languages
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20:11:47 <AnotherTest> ais523: that would be great a really great idea, although I'm not sure if they're aware of stereograms
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20:12:23 <ais523> AnotherTest: one problem is that it needs decent support for 2D arrays, as well as some sensible way to provide an input image
20:12:27 <ais523> ASCII art is sufficient for output
20:13:51 <AnotherTest> I'm not sure if I can explain 2D arrays and image input to people who have not written a single line of code before though...
20:14:13 <fizzie> You make that program which asks your name, and your age, and then prints out "Hello, <name>, you are <age> year(s) old."
20:14:18 <fizzie> That's, like, so exciting.
20:14:30 <ais523> AnotherTest: yeah, that's why I brought it up as a problem
20:15:07 <FreeFull> AnotherTest: Show them a grid of things
20:15:27 <AnotherTest> Well, the problem seems to be that most of the typical examples are pretty boring
20:16:14 <AnotherTest> FreeFull: sure, although I'm already having trouble finding one thing
20:16:58 <fizzie> Regarding "An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s 'Trapped in the Closet' Hip Hopera", JPG for graphviz output, really?
20:17:10 <FreeFull> AnotherTest: Why do you have to teach them?
20:17:13 <Bike> worst blog every kmc
20:18:00 <Fiora> AnotherTest: maybe try to explain it using televisions as an example?
20:18:17 <Fiora> I guess that's harder nowadays since they're not tubes and you can't describe a beam going across a screen
20:18:50 <AnotherTest> FreeFull: Well, because they want to learn something (it's not a compulsory thing), and because I would like to get them interested in programming in general
20:20:34 <fizzie> When do you have to do this? A classic approach would be to post an Ask Slashdot topic about it.
20:20:40 <FreeFull> AnotherTest: I suggest you show them cool magic
20:20:56 <FreeFull> But, are you a cool magician? :)
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20:26:24 <AnotherTest> FreeFull: I'm a really bad magician I think.
20:27:07 <FreeFull> I think one of the coolest things possible is live-coding some cool graphics/music
20:27:10 <fizzie> Then it's perhaps too soon.
20:27:21 <FreeFull> PHP gives you extra wizard points
20:27:56 <Phantom_Hoover> just use the demo_makecool() function from the standard lib
20:28:11 <fizzie> The coolest thing you can possibly do is show them how to write a constraint solver.
20:28:14 <AnotherTest> Phantom_Hoover: but they don't know what a function means in PHP!
20:30:01 <fizzie> A visual eodermdrome IDE.
20:30:43 <AnotherTest> "Let's just teach them brainfuck as a first language"
20:31:06 <AnotherTest> I'm sure they'll be delighted by this great abstraction
20:31:18 <Bike> teach them trustfuck, sgeo has a degree and trust is important in trusted enterprise applications
20:31:51 <fizzie> You just start at beginning of the wiki's language list, and see how far you can get in 40 minutes.
20:32:12 <fizzie> Except that it means you'll start with !!!Batch.
20:32:18 <fizzie> I think that was perhaps not the best advice.
20:32:26 <boily> do you have to go through brainfuck derivatives?
20:32:35 <boily> and what's wrong with !!!Batch?
20:33:08 <boily> ok. !!!Batch is not a good idea.
20:33:37 <Bike> start with the !Kung languages, clearly
20:34:17 <fizzie> There's no "Batch derivatives" category, I see.
20:34:46 <AnotherTest> There's only like one person who ever batch derivatives?
20:34:56 <fizzie> Sure, but there's more than one of them.
20:35:02 <fizzie> There's Numeric Batch, for example.
20:35:37 <fizzie> And I'm pretty sure there was more than just !!!Batch and Numeric Batch.
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20:36:13 <fizzie> Maybe I was thinking of Poison.
20:36:23 <fizzie> But it's a... Python derivative, arguably?
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20:37:18 <AnotherTest> Oh but you can do dip("python module") it seems
20:37:27 <fizzie> I seem to recall you can just use regular Python, too.
20:37:32 <AnotherTest> So you'd write your code in python, and then load it
20:37:39 <fizzie> All the foo()s are just additional functions.
20:37:45 <fizzie> (I might misremember.)
20:38:24 <AnotherTest> Well it has a sq (sqrt) function but not addition
20:39:07 <boily> is it just me, or is it not quite an esolang?
20:40:42 <boily> it's also terrifying.
20:41:37 <AnotherTest> "Numeric Batch Was Created By Shubshub To Make Programming In Batch More Challenging and to Make it seem Better as it is Theoreticly Unreadable"
20:41:50 <Bike> good esolang name
20:42:00 <AnotherTest> like, it seems better because it's not readable
20:43:41 <AnotherTest> Anyway, I'll see what I teach them. I think it might be nice if they can sort of work towards a certain program during the 40 minutes.
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21:29:12 <nooodl> > sortBy (\_ _ -> GT) "Hello, world!"
21:32:21 <fizzie> > sortBy (\_ _ -> EQ) "Hello, world!" -- is it stable?
21:32:38 <fizzie> Every letter is born equal.
21:45:22 <shachaf> kmc: what book by kurt vonnegut should i read..
21:45:35 <kmc> not an expert on that
21:46:23 <shachaf> all i read was ``cat's cradle`` and ''slaughterhouse-five'' and they were both good
21:46:54 <Bike> how about the rosenberg one
21:47:48 <Bike> Breakfast of Champions
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22:17:32 <fizzie> Was Cat's Cradle the one with ice-nine?
22:17:51 <fizzie> "Not to be confused with Ice IX", I'm sure Wikipedia says.
22:23:25 <Bike> and yes, it does say that, since ice ix is an actual form of water.
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23:33:20 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, this show is amazing
23:33:39 <Sgeo> You should still watch PMMM
23:43:58 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, how often do time related epsiodes occur?
23:44:02 <Sgeo> Because I really like this one
23:44:19 <Sgeo> "Back and Back and Back to the Future"
23:44:32 <Sgeo> (still watching)
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23:59:57 <Sgeo> This was a good episode :)