< 1363824001 677767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I oh < 1363824011 301323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke guide: A: did oerjan say it < 1363824013 551501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363824015 470770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was meant to be Q: < 1363824029 432153 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I do thank you though I wouldn't have got it < 1363824043 580986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Careful with logreading if you intend to puzzle it out, there's a solution in there. < 1363824080 901302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1363824083 320155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1363824096 441512 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I skimlogread < 1363824111 71196 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed a few occurrences of weird sequences of symbols < 1363824139 601468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA? < 1363824141 431146 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is I'm not fluent with regexes < 1363824142 592028 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.uncyclomedia.co/uncyclopedia/en/7/7d/Win98-minesweeper-lose.PNG < 1363824156 524705 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance what is (.) < 1363824165 102410 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one or zero anything" < 1363824166 581821 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363824174 521263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "one or more anythings" < 1363824193 551699 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the latter, does it have to be the same anything or can they be different anythings? < 1363824221 61411 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what would be the difference between (.) and .+ or .* then < 1363824249 100042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One anything. < 1363824252 105014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.) is the thing \1 refers to in this case. < 1363824253 53541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does (.) just mean "one anything" and the brackets were just there to prevent the . from meaning something else < 1363824262 710718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\1 ?? < 1363824263 12382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a capturing thing. < 1363824284 4505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance, A+.* < 1363824284 451631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :\1 means the contents of the first (). < 1363824289 426045 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363824300 100969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean "zero or one A, followed by any sequence < 1363824304 521754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+.* is equivalent to A.* :p < 1363824319 571588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, A+ means one or more A? < 1363824327 202562 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363824332 981125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "one or more A, followed by zero or more anything". < 1363824335 351928 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A* zero or more ? < 1363824339 272786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1363824342 271458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiight ok < 1363824359 311239 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying there is an A in the first box < 1363824363 991666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/box/cell < 1363824382 940980 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is "cell" what you would call one thingy on a chessboard?) < 1363824401 238958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"square" < 1363824403 971692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're saying that. < 1363824406 82865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're right. < 1363824416 281130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc from last it came up < 1363824417 635953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On chessboard, I think... right, what oerjan saidl < 1363824459 990763 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1363824472 981283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I assume | has lower precedence that everything else < 1363824476 645698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in a crossword, cell isn't a bad word. < 1363824504 202437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in french we say "case" for *everything* < 1363824510 351920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true too. < 1363824536 151048 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even chessboard squares? < 1363824627 422835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The most unusual feature is that 1 down, where A(?!B)C means "AC, except after A, attempting to match B there must fail". < 1363824643 721590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363824662 812330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a zero-width negative lookahead assertion. < 1363824663 102277 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AC, except after A, attempting to match B there must fail"? or did I miss a special character < 1363824689 721738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hang on, that sentence is difficult to process" < 1363824734 831689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok no I have no idea what you meant < 1363824766 938602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "match A, then fail to match B, then do match C", if you like; but failing B has no effect on the position. < 1363824781 891685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1363824794 311821 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363824798 411932 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's redundant? < 1363824805 341869 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we know that C doesn't match B < 1363824833 388053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was meant with any pattern in place of A, B and C. < 1363824841 492005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that literal case, sure. < 1363824845 81781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1363824860 252077 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well truth is I really don't know enough about regexes < 1363824870 443046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should've used something else than exacty those letters of the alphabet. < 1363824871 161773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)(?!.+\1)[^B]+.* < 1363824905 571732 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (?xxx) means "not xxx" right? < 1363824924 851564 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill ruin it by writing it in English maybe... < 1363824952 242644 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you told me \1 is refering to . < 1363824987 151484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It would match XYZ and XXZ but not XYX. < 1363824991 21575 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "fail to match two or more anythings"? < 1363825007 702217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's referring to what the . matched. < 1363825013 831671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, \1 isn't the same thing as ., it is the same thing as the pattern matched by the first . < 1363825014 402687 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363825052 382440 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does (?!xxx) means? < 1363825059 51703 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its equivalent to .[^B]+.* but the last two chars are different from the first < 1363825061 931715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After the first letter, there must not be a copy of it with one or more any character between; and what follows the first character is not B." < 1363825084 901075 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1363825086 691811 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!xxx) means "not followed by xxx" < 1363825100 992611 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's equivalent to (^xxx) < 1363825101 201813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that at that position, attempting to match xxx must fail. < 1363825101 591660 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a zero-width assertion, which means it doesn't "eat" the characters it matches < 1363825112 812499 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1363825113 260454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It most definitely is not. < 1363825116 951842 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example < 1363825119 32906 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363825124 855737 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* I understand < 1363825134 450763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: (^xxx) means "^ followed by xxx", FWIW. < 1363825154 801128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ only has special meanings inside character classes. < 1363825155 822689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I though (^xxx) meant "something not xxx" < 1363825156 633454 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!xxx)[xy]{3} would match xxy xyx yxx yyx xyy but not xxx < 1363825164 851547 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh () and [] are not the same < 1363825165 221169 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ means not inside a character class < 1363825173 11986 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside that it means beginning of line < 1363825183 761893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1363825184 462197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363825225 631646 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: what is {3}? < 1363825235 372368 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :match exactly 3 times < 1363825236 311711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a repetition of the third character"? < 1363825237 885303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363825243 572923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363825251 744776 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [xy]{3} means "any of: x, y; three times in a row" < 1363825257 808499 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok < 1363825261 871753 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the (?!xxx) makes it fail on xxx < 1363825280 31634 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1363825285 171765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really very useful to use a negative lookahead on static text ;) < 1363825288 521648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a special meaning of ?! < 1363825288 730491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, what's kind of also important about (?!xxx) is that it doesn't actually match anything, so it doesn't "move" the "current position". < 1363825301 271776 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup I finally got that < 1363825308 131867 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was trying to come up with an example to demonstrate that but i realized it was hard < 1363825308 581324 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1363825326 561785 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my example, the (!?xxx) is examining the same characters as the [xy]{3} < 1363825329 181486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a special meaning of (?! -- the parentheses are mandatory. < 1363825348 621924 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact (?stuff) is a general special context for () < 1363825353 620587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, (?xxx) is used for all kinds of extensions. < 1363825362 481914 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:text) is non-capturing, (?<=text) is positive lookbehind, etc. < 1363825380 771820 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha now i'm just redundant < 1363825382 285318 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1363825433 383820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (.)(?!.+\1)[^B]+.* is "anything (call it X), then don't be followed by several anythings followed by X, then (anything but B, one or more times), then (anything, zero or more times)" < 1363825457 221568 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some caveats to using zero width assertions < 1363825462 752698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though the "or more" for B is redundant again. < 1363825465 511444 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's zero-width? < 1363825466 263526 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards assertions must be a static width < 1363825470 982680 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?!foo) < 1363825475 671488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: consume no input < 1363825479 27203 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zero width" because it doesn't consume characters < 1363825481 182691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1363825486 901908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's lookahead? < 1363825491 582676 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also zero width < 1363825494 321538 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero width is a characteristic < 1363825495 222170 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a distinction from lookbehind? < 1363825498 535973 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363825504 151911 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookahead matches on following characters < 1363825508 715627 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookbehind matches on previous characters < 1363825518 282108 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I was confused because I thought lookahead meant no consumption < 1363825520 492137 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, things like .+ are generally not a good idea in lookahead/lookbehind < 1363825525 41771 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363825530 661582 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookahead "doesn't consume" < 1363825534 151140 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookbehind "doesn't consume" < 1363825538 812024 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zero width" means "doesn't consume" < 1363825541 82055 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps :) < 1363825544 312318 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok :) < 1363825559 829059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "doesn't have a width" is perhaps more confusing for positive lookahead, where aa(?=..c)bb. matches "aabbc". < 1363825567 511875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought maybe "lookahead" meant "look into the future but stay into the present" or something < 1363825576 771910 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of actually going to the future < 1363825584 522656 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't "go" anywhere < 1363825584 771111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of natural for the negative case, which doesn't after all match anything. < 1363825592 854653 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically does mean "look ahead but stay here" < 1363825610 620506 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it "goes" into the future is by consuming input < 1363825611 212005 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought "but stay here" was the meaning of zero-width < 1363825625 243376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yeah we may be saying the same things with different words < 1363825625 543439 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try it another way < 1363825627 902252 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-width is a category < 1363825633 409594 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookahead and lookbehind are members of that category < 1363825636 772054 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of them consume input < 1363825644 551986 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow we'r estill on regexcchat < 1363825646 132887 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :not consuming input is a characteristic of 'zero-width assertions' < 1363825659 403442 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookahead/lookbehind inherit that characteristic but are more specific < 1363825662 252027 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I mean we could have "one-width lookahead" for instance < 1363825670 431649 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363825680 892106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then saying "zero-width lookahead" is redundant < 1363825681 191605 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-width refers to the expression not consuming characters < 1363825686 471679 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not saying "look zero ahead" < 1363825695 211647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok < 1363825701 222102 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saying "look ahead for something that matches this, but don't do anything other than succeed or fail" < 1363825710 85902 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine it like the I-cursor < 1363825712 411770 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :in between letters < 1363825717 251181 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what zero-width is referring to < 1363825718 912858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: I was trying to invent my own regex-like esolang < 1363825727 432002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had negative-width assertions, that actually added characters to the input < 1363825731 217857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things < 1363825732 612297 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao < 1363825736 451298 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363825738 251029 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like fun < 1363825752 803348 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1363825756 801672 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was watching some show the other day < 1363825760 901463 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually referenced malbolge < 1363825763 781903 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was fuckin' impressed < 1363825780 147030 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, then they ruined it by doing the typical tv/movie nonsense < 1363825780 592964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was mentioned in-channel at the time < 1363825805 343776 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could have expected that haha < 1363825808 284887 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't remember where i saw it < 1363825834 222594 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in proper english (.)(?!.+\1)[^B]+.* is "none of the last three characters match the first character and the second character is not B < 1363825839 552306 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363825840 412646 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363825843 913676 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1363825855 921847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The second character can match the first. < 1363825856 674534 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1363825860 483534 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not really < 1363825864 812529 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ended it with .* < 1363825866 143924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1363825870 561938 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't say anything about the "last characters" < 1363825885 822656 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you're trying to come up with an example of how to use (?!text) < 1363825886 911902 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the (?! ) thingy dealt with that already < 1363825891 932438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: These are all four-character strings. < 1363825895 312614 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time it's better to construct it in another way < 1363825895 761737 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the example from the puzzle < 1363825898 911820 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i didn't see the beginning < 1363825911 572078 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363825914 152525 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what you said < 1363825916 121817 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would probably write < 1363825917 871860 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i already know it's four characters and only A, B, C and D < 1363825931 450699 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.)(?!B)[^\1]{3} < 1363825932 803507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the restriction for that one is (.)(?!.+\1)[^B]+.* < 1363825963 802230 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1363825977 621007 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will: capture the first character assigning it to \1, test that the second character is not B, then match three more characters that are not \1 < 1363825987 682276 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless I really don't understand (?!xxx), I read the (?!.+\1) part as meaning "the last two characters cannot match the first one" < 1363826005 152590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Anyway, in "XXYZ" you match X with the (.), then in the assertion you have essentially .+X against XYZ, and since the .+ always consumes the first and only X, that doesn't match, and the assertion doesn't fire. < 1363826007 212570 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok < 1363826009 261222 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i have no idea why you put .+ in there < 1363826018 662096 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's usually a sign that you shouldn't be using lookahead < 1363826043 452166 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's definitely trying to be confusing < 1363826065 332315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just don't remember where i saw it <-- wikipedia's Malbolge article mentions it. (i helped with the edits.) < 1363826108 31880 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds too obvious < 1363826108 482872 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1363826112 722115 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this regex puzzle? < 1363826122 212523 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15495351/regex.html < 1363826123 908154 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember making a series of "encryption" challenges once < 1363826126 213496 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363826132 746931 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you guys would own them fairly quickly < 1363826141 972333 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the mirc scripters in the channel had a hard time with stuff i thought would be cake < 1363826142 799952 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1363826151 300491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: How would you write it without .+ in the lookahead? < 1363826155 531986 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you input text and it outputs encoded text, and you have to describe what to do < 1363826182 892802 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i didn't know what he was trying to match, i was only looking at what he wrote and what he said < 1363826202 62698 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :"none of the last three characters match the first character" doesn't need a lookahead < 1363826211 311901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^AC] eats two characters right? < 1363826214 32574 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363826219 828479 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] is always one character < 1363826222 982633 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however many you modify it to be < 1363826223 732712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1363826230 278023 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH characters are acceptable are specified inside < 1363826238 784019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [^AC] is the same as (B|D) < 1363826249 832062 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of only ABCD in the input, yeah < 1363826251 543693 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or [BD], that is < 1363826313 334227 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw anyone interested in the encryption things just for fun? < 1363826321 861867 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i still have em < 1363826388 664811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I take it all those regexes are anchored? < 1363826396 970085 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1363826400 251974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1363826404 754089 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363826407 732073 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it was the case < 1363826410 41757 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a good point < 1363826413 71650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what anchored means but that sounds right < 1363826424 543784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: implied ^ at the start and $ at the end < 1363826431 222691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean there's an implicit "beginning of line" at the beginning, and implicit "end of line" at the end < 1363826433 392159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok < 1363826444 675652 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I most certainly assumed so < 1363826467 579383 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i wasn't assuming the $ < 1363826471 313851 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1363826498 782473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that makes it impossible < 1363826505 92195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no < 1363826506 830597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread 1 down < 1363826904 442989 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. so that regex, Arc_Koen, i believe means: "anything, followed by 1 or more not-Bs followed by anything" < 1363826911 389763 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :where whatever the first character is cannot be used in the rest < 1363826924 393216 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) third and fourth both different from first, and second is not B < 1363826947 692184 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yeah, because of .+ < 1363826965 201859 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there can be 1 or more not-bs too < 1363826978 572340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, but "one or more" is the same as "one" here < 1363826986 332363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's followed by anything anyway < 1363826991 902342 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1363827000 722482 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i suppose you can look at it that way < 1363827010 344163 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1363827021 681721 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely the confusing one, so the puzzle probably hinges on it :P < 1363827220 55817 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I've already found 11, 13, 54 and 74 < 1363827251 82088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1363827262 309760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is stuck in a dead-end < 1363827267 713281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I did something wrong < 1363827282 106965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5) looks like this so far: 5 ( CD) (ABCD) (AB D) ( C ) < 1363827293 482747 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and restriction is "5) in alphabetical order" < 1363827339 719507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the first cell from that row can be an A < 1363827362 229668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfjaskdfsakldf I thought I had a build for a good PC at around $1000, but I forgot the PSU < 1363827364 740903 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus it must be < 1363827445 452363 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that $ is implied < 1363827459 112152 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have hit an impossibility by that rule < 1363827471 102405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well if it isn't, clues like A*B*C*D* are pointless < 1363827473 613068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: are your regexes anchored? < 1363827478 921968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a zero-length string matches that < 1363827499 22046 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i think i see my mistake < 1363827511 212977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: they are < 1363827585 627124 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, more regex puzzles? < 1363827634 368752 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the hexagonal one that was around teh internets a while ago < 1363827829 792214 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1363827834 162987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reached an impossibility :( < 1363827844 812718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :down 3) first and second are not C; fourth is equal to first < 1363827875 627235 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far that column looks like (D) (AB) (BC) (AB) < 1363827903 302690 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i have it ;) < 1363827905 284110 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an answer key? < 1363827949 212950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1363827950 242656 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^C]*(.)\1 < 1363827960 382721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the \1 matchs the thing that's matched by (.) ? < 1363827965 713013 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363827968 863070 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it matched the thing matched by [^C] < 1363827976 352840 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaaaaaaah have to do it all over again < 1363827981 122655 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's the last group, and groups are spelled with (). < 1363827987 167003 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1363827994 962738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting all over < 1363828000 724682 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn nope, missed one thing < 1363828093 723414 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1363828105 762622 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i goofed aligning a diagonal < 1363828289 868751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I've got everything except 12, 52 and 53 < 1363828379 973088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: is the solution unique? < 1363828421 300495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've got a total of six possible solutions < 1363828446 622710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc yes < 1363828474 93938 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can I show you my english interpretations of the regexes and you would be so kind as to tell me if one is wrong? < 1363828498 646648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "iirc" I mean I am just parroting what I remember nooodl saying about it, I don't even know the regexps involved :) < 1363828605 943205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoilers) http://pastebin.com/pyaiJuM8 < 1363828625 76346 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm coming to agreement, i think there may be multiples < 1363828634 833099 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, i should make a script to test solutions < 1363828675 406858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: do you agree that cells 12, 52 and 53 are the ones that have multiple answers? < 1363828703 945364 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean 53? < 1363828710 83378 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we looking at the same puzzle? < 1363828715 668880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :second row, third column < 1363828753 633908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes; rows are numbered 1 5 6 7 and columns 1 2 3 4 < 1363828758 734244 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an answer for 5/3 < 1363828761 773372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363828769 493729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it can be either A or B < 1363828777 305105 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it's right < 1363828786 63152 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even want me to say? :P < 1363828788 965992 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the restriction that 52 can be either A or B, but if 52 is B then 53 is B < 1363828809 384004 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because line 5 is alphabetical) < 1363828849 44064 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: well if you can tell me where I'm wrong without telling me the solution I'd be glad yes < 1363828864 413357 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea where you're wrong lol < 1363828872 284830 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to follow your work it may pollute my mind :V < 1363828874 2979 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363828875 652764 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a script to test < 1363828878 594694 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can test all you like < 1363828882 992759 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have in cell 53? < 1363828894 332986 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :D < 1363828937 415809 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363828945 298991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we have very different grids < 1363829020 584079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION myndzi: so here is why I stroke D out in 53.  < 1363829039 293151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal 3) is "CD or DC" < 1363829060 183734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vertical 3) is "first and second are not C; fourth is equal to third" < 1363829072 233635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore diagonal 3) is DC < 1363829079 645527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 54 is C < 1363829100 293760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and horizontal 5) is "in alphabetical order" so if fourth is C, then third cannot be D < 1363829105 34079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363829105 633487 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363829271 743289 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are four characters, [^C]*(.)\1 is equivalent to [^C]{2}(.)\1 right? < 1363829285 447983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363829340 183007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "first and second are not C, and third = fourth" < 1363829423 625219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i got a unique solution once i stopped making a stupid error. < 1363829480 54082 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're always stupid errors ;) < 1363829506 473122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the stupid was i made it again at least twice on retrying < 1363829522 673404 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :!repuzzle ABCD ABCD ABCD ABCD < 1363829522 885920 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail 6a: /^.*(BB|BC|CA)$/ - ABCD < 1363829541 373122 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that's right, hehe < 1363829545 883319 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to go back to trying to solve < 1363829654 733640 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1363829661 604131 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah. i was interpreting diagonal 3 as diagonal 6 < 1363829766 823988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't see any way to cross out any of the six solutions I've got < 1363829786 590675 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably means I have a mistake somewhere and all six are wrong < 1363829841 13467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they cannot be wrong unless there is a regex they violate, hth < 1363829849 834209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1363829853 534184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's check < 1363829853 742538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try running one through !repuzzle? < 1363829857 214193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in PM if you don't want to spoil it? < 1363829863 253694 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #repuzzle < 1363829866 84095 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got it minimized < 1363829868 293646 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a channel trigger < 1363829868 844204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not in this channel :) < 1363829875 183881 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in here too :P < 1363829883 963918 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spammy to trigger my own pm triggers < 1363829884 413991 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1363829886 534209 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus channel < 1363829899 203920 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: the script may not be correct, so lemme know if it reports something wrong < 1363829912 993403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show repuzzle < 1363829914 444831 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1363829915 793974 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :also case sensitive, one sec < 1363829927 373710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not EgoBot < 1363829957 83703 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i just scripted it up real quick < 1363829977 363823 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/YgTUy34B < 1363830097 283193 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found my mistake too < 1363830108 52962 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1363830110 474068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) first is B or D; if there's a C then all that follows is C as well < 1363830113 983822 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the error < 1363830118 966900 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :treating [^C]* as (.\1*)? < 1363830121 289774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2. [^AC]*C* < 1363830142 717500 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually is "cut the line in two; first part is Bs and Ds and second part is Cs" < 1363830161 34497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have read it as [^AC].*C* < 1363830386 173763 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success! < 1363830402 983924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you everyone for your help :) < 1363830449 184333 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I know regexes? if someone has a similar puzzle that'll teach me chinese in a few minutes... :p < 1363830483 413404 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now read the email regex < 1363830501 553920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that? < 1363830505 814298 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1363830524 673928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it doesn't handle nested comments < 1363830530 769205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also IIRC it's automatically generated) < 1363830533 994655 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html < 1363830606 384869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (the correct followup to this is "why do email addresses allow nested comments anyway?") < 1363830613 83807 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like something I don't wanna try to read < 1363830627 853744 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :More languages should allow nested comments < 1363830660 911440 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought about it, but I've learned that learning more about old protocols implies SAN loss. < 1363830693 964166 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean if I try to use thunderbird to send an email to oer/*com/*ment*/*/jan/*hello*/@nu.nvg is will work? < 1363830705 704680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: () is used for comments in email < 1363830711 471660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /* */ < 1363830714 963794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1363830729 394594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can escape the ( and ) as \( and \) to stop them matching < 1363830744 624189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, my email domain isn't nu.nvg hth < 1363830748 144456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do this in my email on Slashdot, it does great against spambots < 1363830750 674562 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming my email address contains a ( or ) character? < 1363830765 92096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are several alternative forms, but that isn't one of them) < 1363830767 3880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: or if you want to put ( or ) inside the comment < 1363830773 114186 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363830777 453942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many email clients can't handle comments, even fewer handle nested comments < 1363830783 273495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are clients that follow the spec properly, though < 1363830811 944256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but they have only 3.5 users, all living in the same building" < 1363830887 154662 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you mean that the half user has integrated their other half into sendmail < 1363830901 87077 :heroux_!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :heroux < 1363830920 629708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first saw this I thought you were talking about some esolang named "email" < 1363830923 653931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh god < 1363830979 454683 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363830984 413909 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on a related note, does anybody know float contagion rules in some real language stupidly well, because now i'm curious < 1363830993 396208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1363830998 464341 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you are right < 1363831014 954495 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what's 4 :: Int + 7 :: Floating do i guess < 1363831021 487895 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363831025 884025 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you convert one into the other, or it's specified that the result is of so and so type < 1363831034 773522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1363831052 425918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I know the JavaScript rule well: "all numbers are doubles" hth < 1363831055 554192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Floating isn't a type.................................. < 1363831057 754478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is about haskell < 1363831061 216662 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1363831063 373848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell has no implicit conversions < 1363831065 824201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OCaml's rule is really straightforward < 1363831070 625248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the haskell rule well: it doesn't convert anything < 1363831072 696111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an integer + and a floating-point +. < 1363831080 411730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving an integer to +. or a float to + causes a compile-time error < 1363831081 654228 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't add ints to floats < 1363831082 937859 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1363831090 14691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not without converting by hand, in OCaml or Haskell < 1363831090 765053 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but these aren't REAL LANGUAGES < 1363831118 475795 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a real language unless you can gouge out your left kidney with it < 1363831128 747389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK; in asm, it has separate integer add and floating-point add < 1363831130 8832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a REAL LANGUAGE would surely use REAL NUMBERS < 1363831133 474345 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I assume most languages would have some rule along the lines of "types are ordered something like float > int > whatever, and the type of an expression is the maximum of the types of its subexpressions" < 1363831135 983396 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget i asked < 1363831139 614673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never quite remember C's rules... cases like uint8_t x = ...; uint32_t y = (x * 20) + 15; < 1363831143 784913 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you use the wrong one, it'll either complain that you're using the wrong registers, or misinterpret the bit pattern < 1363831145 743627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's kind of a crappy order, though, i will say) < 1363831146 614556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the value it finds there < 1363831148 793476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not those fishy computable things < 1363831151 133098 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only imaginary languages use real numbers hth < 1363831152 177258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that multiplication / addition done on uint8 or uint32 < 1363831162 844279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: either uint8 or plain int, I forget which < 1363831216 333866 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363831229 653055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/INT02-C.+Understand+integer+conversion+rules < 1363831229 861930 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint8_t is secretly a typedef for unsigned char so the value of x becomes an int (not unsigned int!!) when used in any kind of arithmetic < 1363831237 446672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so for instance (int 3) * (int 4) + (float 5) would evaluate to (int 12) + (float 5) then to (float 17) < 1363831238 684648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i see < 1363831245 135589 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363831245 343475 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363831249 334884 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also x + x :: int < 1363831250 946653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even adding two chars is done on ints, then truncated < 1363831257 913847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :semantically < 1363831263 184621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1363831288 899734 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363831289 323636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363831289 907615 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can make security holes with this < 1363831296 781750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot fathom why uint8_t is not separate < 1363831310 604283 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because WE ALREADY HAVE A TYPE FOR THAT < 1363831314 784738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Moses said unto them that day, "The rank of long long int shall be greater than the rank of long int, which shall be greater than the rank of int, which shall be greater than the rank of short int, which shall be greater than the rank of signed char." < 1363831326 583705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: always < 1363831379 443757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what happens if int and char are the same width? < 1363831392 494782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1363831399 624658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other rank rules though < 1363831405 614659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that wouldn't happen with uint8_t, it could happen with unsigned plain char < 1363831462 954093 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one is going to make that platform, because C code will break on it < 1363831498 953258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: such platforms exist already < 1363831504 674235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital signal processors, mostly < 1363831516 36842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're heavily specialized for 32-bit processing and don't have anything smaller < 1363831557 780333 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also generally have very, very dedicated environments and it's not worth thinking about. < 1363831558 533949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's sizeof(char) on such platform < 1363831563 94331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that have to be 1? < 1363831567 200607 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Necessarily 1. < 1363831579 265402 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also crays < 1363831583 431605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cray cray < 1363831630 904832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so "promotion" and "conversion" are different < 1363831632 719050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learning < 1363831693 854645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you can get great security holes from the fact that 'char' can be signed < 1363831732 224359 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363831737 86163 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed char is like my main reason for not understanding what the fuck C is < 1363831753 714639 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1363831759 952880 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win :P < 1363831766 690132 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1363831790 209360 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah but everyone knows that one already < 1363831801 282432 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a figure of speech obviously) < 1363831809 418148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int count[256]; void f(char *str) { while (*str) count[*(str++)]++; } < 1363831816 394778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well i didn't know it until i did < 1363831839 754071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing an exploit for that was pretty fun < 1363831850 65334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363831874 5721 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1363831889 604728 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I didn't know < 1363831891 274662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gcc complains about any use of plain char to index arrays < 1363831894 15520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of that < 1363831897 114241 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the PLT contains executable code < 1363831905 614595 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that this is By Design < 1363831907 844770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good < 1363831923 247791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just executable code but self-modifying code :< < 1363831934 904847 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best kind of code < 1363831939 244583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, executable code is kind-of common < 1363831943 217911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more useful than nonexecutable code < 1363831959 384853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better security one should link with ld -z relro -z now < 1363831962 274919 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me i just read that apparently PDP had some really weird idioms due to the XEC instruction < 1363831974 814942 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which let you execute a register as an instruction, i guess? < 1363831976 584953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will cause the GOT and PLT to be read-only after startup < 1363831982 24208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hot < 1363832009 74684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have routines that dispatched behavior on the value of a register, since you'd set that register to be some specific instruction < 1363832073 354348 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363832080 314501 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1363832086 295401 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM's assembler has bugs < 1363832099 350095 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when assembling for ARM) < 1363832137 834668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software has bugs < 1363832142 434913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :always and everywhere < 1363832155 914663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug's life < 1363832163 84930 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably it's a notable bug if it's being mentioned. < 1363832190 792003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm just being a smartass < 1363832207 563962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about ARM instruction sets is that there are so many to choose from < 1363832231 440441 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm just being bitter about having it assumed that i meant "real language" as some kind of haskell-related insult instead of just disambiguation from an email esolang. bitter bitter bitter < 1363832236 935323 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that seems to be the current design trend in cpu design < 1363832242 434721 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even choose at runtime < 1363832300 316649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool we're talking about instruction sets so I can post this thing < 1363832301 205698 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/fjMhj0u.png < 1363832303 955685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i interpreted it like that bc yr code looked like hs < 1363832306 556368 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading the xeon phi manual for fun < 1363832309 757541 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :base risc set then fpu then vector then vector fpu then stange corner cases like popcnt then another vector set then... < 1363832325 760373 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes that's because you corrupted me THANKS < 1363832336 465682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows lyah goin < 1363832361 878581 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's talking about implementing RPN with bla bla functions bla bla so i just started reading the haskell report. < 1363832368 207546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363832387 294902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not going to pay off wrt whsat later chapters cover at all tho < 1363832396 567983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow this thing is crazy. every single memory operation has a "write-mask" < 1363832398 484563 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whsat < 1363832402 504811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we can be bitter together < 1363832406 724996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we can get elliott in on it too < 1363832407 190662 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whsat < 1363832407 455650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it can say which of the 16 elements of the destination register are modified < 1363832420 626837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not memory operation, every single register operation < 1363832423 344954 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : wow, what architecture is this on < 1363832427 334172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a phi manual < 1363832432 864287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is phi a type of xeon < 1363832435 408114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the phi is like, the successor to larrabee < 1363832435 905282 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363832438 47647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intel many core architecture < 1363832440 686687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 512-bit zmm registers < 1363832446 535821 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the next chapter is about applicative functors i.e. something i actually don't know, maybe i should pay attention except ???????? < 1363832447 435527 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha what < 1363832452 204878 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363832455 995129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1363832460 104619 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought larrabee died horribly < 1363832466 261168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they made it into this instead I think < 1363832472 498857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a super float simd machine designed to make scientific computing people fangirl < 1363832488 345079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with like all of the transcendental functions super fast and designed to be easy to autovectorize with and stuff < 1363832489 630668 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like the cell? < 1363832499 664454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a bit? no DMA thing though < 1363832502 225144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't they just buy GPUs < 1363832513 714659 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs can't really do feedback < 1363832520 866667 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea is intel realized the larrabee was a really bad gpu but it was pretty good at raw compute so they did that instead? < 1363832531 556276 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not very good for, say, sound calculation < 1363832541 815152 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: hah just like the cell < 1363832542 24097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1363832542 274884 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DGNF C has some weird little-used features. < 1363832549 861185 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: wait, the cell had that too? < 1363832565 555216 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: uhhhhh trigrams? < 1363832571 94671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just digraphs and trigraphs < 1363832571 544648 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1363832578 115051 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not entirely. < 1363832581 345290 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh graphs < 1363832582 132131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god digraphs lol < 1363832583 396929 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out iso646.h < 1363832586 375100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so is this "xeon phi" a core CPU that you would boot, or a peripheral thing, or like a functional unit on a Xeon < 1363832590 796728 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the cell being sony's plan for the ps3 gpu then they had to backtrack < 1363832591 753096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and iso646.h < 1363832598 175654 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is crazier. < 1363832604 742673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know iso646.h, it's the only standard header that's provided by gcc not glibc, for instance < 1363832606 714347 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh this thing would be awesome for sound processing too < 1363832615 389700 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the iso646.h defines are *in the syntax* of C++. < 1363832624 372634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ooooh < 1363832625 899883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's a PCIe card that looks like a GPU < 1363832630 382311 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a whole bunch of roughly vectorizable fpu math < 1363832632 254958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without an elf dragon robot painted on < 1363832638 375012 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :== Epoch 1 == < 1363832638 582793 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluating population... < 1363832638 582989 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: empty.reduceLeft < 1363832638 824806 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1363832644 134367 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with feedback loops so that totally rules out GPUs < 1363832657 795032 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the crap is it starting with an empty population o-o < 1363832677 23528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also apparentyl has 320GB/s of memory bandwidth O_O < 1363832696 964316 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing for throughput is cool < 1363832712 464846 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like designing for general purpose code < 1363832717 844736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what we all want to know is, how quickly will it make me rich in bitcoins < 1363832744 775682 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :general purpose code is horrible, horrible... lots of stores/loads to all sorts of random addresses and unpredictable jumps < 1363832757 774924 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you design for that you end up with the pentium2 < 1363832764 574688 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a core designed for bitcoin mining look like? let's take a moment to think about this < 1363832770 536505 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all its descendents < 1363832771 981060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just, wow. pow() in 4-cycles, with full accuracy < 1363832782 643553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane < 1363832818 405814 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of code wants that, i'm curious < 1363832820 355619 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :P2's have that crazy ultra complicated out of order engine but can only do 4 operations per cycle :( :( :( < 1363832835 882689 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be nice for a shitload of sigmoids or something < 1363832836 305041 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3 on the ones before sandy bridge) < 1363832849 487641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm guessing scientific computing stuff loves transcendental functions almost as much as I love sushi? < 1363832851 473336 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PENTIUM did 2 and came out in like 1994 < 1363832863 55514 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i need specifics man. specifics < 1363832893 349209 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be kind of cool to read nnet source code that doesn't do some ridiculous integer operation instead of transcendentals < 1363832908 608294 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O it does a thing with a loop that does progressive approximation of a square root (as an example) < 1363832912 105380 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except what it does is < 1363832916 454674 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, newton? < 1363832920 476652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on each iteration, it checks to see the accuracy so far < 1363832925 809662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sets the "write mask" accordingly < 1363832932 200501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his use of the write mask may also be used as < 1363832932 433828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mechanism for reducing < 1363832933 603532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :total power consumption, as those elements which are masked off are (in general) not computed. I" < 1363832936 699686 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*This use < 1363832940 926542 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wonder why that kind of architecture sucks at being a GPU < 1363832942 405415 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, how < 1363832959 355049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the wiki spamthing is kinda scary < 1363832962 445206 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't modern GPUs pretty much large VLIW DSP's now? < 1363832964 298640 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, so you can just mask arbitrary math, and that actually helps? < 1363832970 575242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it would look like some SHA256 fixed function pipelines ;P < 1363832970 886097 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? I have no idea @_@ < 1363832971 975424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exists < 1363832980 575123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have automated defenses against robots < 1363832987 54712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the consequences < 1363832996 754581 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayum < 1363832999 79492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: the thing I remember reading said that part of the problem was that gpus also have a bunch of fixed function hardware, and intel thought that enough shader power could avoid needing that, but it didn't < 1363833014 186821 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1363833023 529106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they kind of didn't have much experience making fast gpus which is, well. it makes sense given the speed of the integrated gpu on this laptop <.< < 1363833025 796001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if spambots start being very very smart and we start being very very smart against them this could actually be entertaining < 1363833037 744747 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done gfx rendering in a while but some standard parts were horrible I think yeah < 1363833043 954675 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilinear is horrible < 1363833048 415864 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo it's not a good currency if it doesn't lead tofucking weird computer architectures and things < 1363833055 35427 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. it can swizzle each 128-bit lane arbitrarily on every op < 1363833056 834651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the funny thing about Bitcoin mining is that you need zero memory bandwidth, zero anything except SHA256... < 1363833063 179998 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HFT led to a new transatlantic line! where's the beef bitcoin < 1363833073 555304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've heard of people cutting off bits of a video card to fit it in an x1 slot < 1363833075 378697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the ps2 emotion engine, duplicated 4x, on acid < 1363833081 385032 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hahaha < 1363833085 576459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin rig: six top end graphics cards, $10 CPU, $10 of RAM < 1363833104 205401 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about bitcoins, I wanna crunch sound data < 1363833113 785495 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should look up neuromorphic architectures again < 1363833125 16773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time i feel like taking words like "neuromorphic" seriously < 1363833125 816036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and yeah, I think there's a bitcoin variant which uses scrypt or bcrypt instead of SHA256 × 2 < 1363833138 654692 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: does it have multiply-accumulate too? < 1363833140 266210 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. wow, it even supports "unorm" types... is "unorm8" like, an 8-bit fixed point? < 1363833150 594779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicorn8 < 1363833152 867428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it has the same FMA as haswell and bulldozer I think < 1363833162 542588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has a special mode that does multiply+bias which is weird too < 1363833169 577751 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha what < 1363833181 285351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird enough to explain that they had to like, lay it out as a series of formulas < 1363833190 495577 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the data latency on the multiply accumulate < 1363833211 985473 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's the clock rate of this thing < 1363833219 633287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1ghz, I think < 1363833225 97481 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, 60 cores? < 1363833251 935412 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the data latency on multiply on standard cpus just sucks < 1363833252 292287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says most vector instructions are 4/1 latency/throughput, so I guess that applies to FMA? < 1363833256 405301 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 5 cycles < 1363833271 197295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't we supposed to have 256-core computers in 2013? < 1363833273 609567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 'bias' in this context < 1363833286 276400 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: wait, so that's 4 cycle latency? < 1363833289 946711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1363833296 636895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everything is built around 4 cycle latency < 1363833304 495267 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1363833310 577965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and don't we? < 1363833318 114663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in-order too, it seems kinda similar to the atom? < 1363833318 645279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1363833330 185522 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but recip/rsqrt/exp2/log2 have a latency of 1/2??? < 1363833338 172346 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TheL1 cache has an address generation interlockwith at least a 3-clock cycle latency. AGPR register must be produced three or more clocks prior to being used as a base or index register in an address computation." < 1363833352 718665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know @_@ maybe they mean throughput... < 1363833355 676230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seemed weird to me too < 1363833388 234246 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow. it has scatter stores and gather loads < 1363833390 14676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in-order... they're counting on compilers to do good instruction scheduling for scientific codes? < 1363833398 666669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're assuming everyone will use theirs <.< < 1363833405 300575 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't x86 have this stuff < 1363833407 256447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1363833422 224824 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you don't need fast transcendentals for crysis (do you) < 1363833439 724488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bessel functions of the third kind < 1363833445 652682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 does have fast reciprocal and square root approximations, think? < 1363833446 983859 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I think < 1363833451 665265 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: that's because transcendentals have sucked ass for so long that people have gotten used to live without them < 1363833453 164915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing fast for log or exp though... < 1363833462 305625 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ok, fair < 1363833498 970313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, these. these floating point instructions < 1363833506 419537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: that doesn't necessarily matter though - they might not include it on the x86 because most general clients don't need it. if they don't need it because most programs aren't written like that then that doesn't matter to them < 1363833507 675733 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm sure they can use scatter stores/loads in crysis < 1363833508 931913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vclamppzpd, vgetmantpd o_O < 1363833510 394693 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know this i guess < 1363833514 275453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out what's being discussed. < 1363833526 814884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think scatter/gather stuff is super expensive to implement in hardware? < 1363833528 573418 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.. < 1363833529 894000 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: pff names < 1363833543 7599 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : "most general clients" run store/load/branch code that will never get faster no matter how you design the CPU < 1363833549 245916 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yes. < 1363833550 759935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVX2 actually has instructions for it but I don't know how fast it'll be... < 1363833563 153062 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: so, why bother putting this in x86 if they're just going to do that. < 1363833566 155680 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only large throughput processsing like GFX or sound matters < 1363833575 235162 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is data-IO bound anyways < 1363833597 725423 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population(2,ArrayBuffer(),179) < 1363833603 645320 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :every species just died out... great more bugs < 1363833619 838229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably go look at those things again. they looked cool. < 1363833642 236237 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: it's like optimizing for the 95% of the code that doesn't loop < 1363833643 621165 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should go back to reading OoS instead of this because he doesn't know shit. < 1363833651 476782 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's never going to make a difference < 1363833652 255444 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: if it's economically sound... < 1363833698 6481 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's just that most other architectures have died by now < 1363833708 795396 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they only have to be better than ARM < 1363833766 286203 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the fault behavior descriptions on the gather instruction < 1363833772 668799 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because C++ compilers can't vectorize your code if it aliases < 1363833795 865611 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks to C++'s "do everything with pointers" philosophy, your pointers alias way too easily < 1363833849 983882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh the fault behavior is crazy. it can actuall stop execution mid load because one of the gathers is in a page that isn't loaded or something < 1363833899 616081 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it save that kind of state? < 1363833923 525953 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I guess it can replay the first loads < 1363833924 562096 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. I don't think it does < 1363833928 734667 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1363833929 819166 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono, it can't, that's not legal < 1363833933 183112 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that it can't do that < 1363833937 62477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can't re-trigger faults < 1363833950 102376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd actually have to set up a loop to use one of these... oh gosh <_> < 1363833951 503886 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you recover from a page fault then < 1363833969 416197 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a page fault due to disk access < 1363833987 749644 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wildly guessing: < 1363833988 527870 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : pcmpeqb ymm3, ymm3 < 1363833988 764543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.load < 1363833988 973157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : vgatherdd ymm1, [rax+ymm2*2], ymm3 < 1363833988 973325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ptest ymm3, ymm3 < 1363833990 751747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : jnz .load < 1363833997 437311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the OS is expected to parse the instruction and finish it for you < 1363834011 358687 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah I think that's actually possible < 1363834028 292533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would actually be incredibly cool < 1363834050 613957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it sets the "RF" flag in "EFLAGS" if it resumes from a fault...? < 1363834058 608993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I even test that, what even is that < 1363834073 106717 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you push the flags register? < 1363834129 960098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems crazy @_@ < 1363834163 521580 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"16 RF Resume Flag: Used by the debug registers DR6 and DR7. It enables you to turn off certain exceptions while debugging code. " < 1363834170 756952 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I am in over my head < 1363834205 246051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's absolutely amazing that anyone manages to implement modern x86 remotely correctly < 1363834235 270981 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel and amd seem like pretty amazing companies. < 1363834252 206136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD has made some questionable business decisions < 1363834268 686398 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well intel did that whole compiler thing. < 1363834271 412159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did amd do? < 1363834271 620716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Intel has failed at nearly every CPU architecture they've tried since x86 < 1363834285 26564 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except 960 but yeah < 1363834299 755624 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess itanium could've bombed more < 1363834301 665178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD spun off their fab business and fucked it up businesswise somehow < 1363834303 835538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1363834321 617680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand they somehow managed to be the manufacturer for all three of the gen 8 consoles < 1363834336 855378 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: architecture bombs by turning out to be a literal bomb, which explodes killing clients < 1363834344 123440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HCF: Halt and Catch Fire < 1363834363 774053 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the first generation IA64 sucked afaik < 1363834373 875268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's not just AMD and Intel that implement x86, but also VMWare, Xen, QEmu, Linux (KVM), ... < 1363834381 203590 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah. the instruction reference doesn't say anything about when the gather is fast < 1363834386 805207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah they do get a lot of subtle details wrong < 1363834388 253300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I'm guessing that maybe crossing page boundaries is bad? I have no idea @_@ < 1363834392 155933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's amazing that it works at all < 1363834407 928750 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : really wondering about what cache architecture it has < 1363834426 745100 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : normally these days L1 cache only has 2 read ports < 1363834432 928454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that was what I was thinking too < 1363834438 486710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "life on the edge of the double fault" game of life demo supposedly crashes most emulators < 1363834450 15984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the author started researching those topics in search of a Xen breakout exploit < 1363834450 915830 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it all falls on 2 cache lines I guess it can work < 1363834455 632046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of me feels like it'll probably just not be any faster but let you do simd address calculations? @_@ < 1363834459 218663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noooo idea < 1363834467 440498 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if this thing only runs at 1ghz maybe they could add more ports < 1363834472 961642 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on the haswell though :< < 1363834483 866666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVX2 has scatter/gather stuff, not just the phi < 1363834499 448473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phi is a weird cool thing but the haswell I actually have to write code for <.< < 1363834516 86673 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: well, not having to break out all you data from your XMM registers is already pretty bonus < 1363834519 725694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write code for Haswell. :-( < 1363834528 626167 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when writing code for the ARM < 1363834529 352573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did at one point. AVX2 would've really helped me. < 1363834540 975995 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point one of my algos needed a LUT < 1363834544 694994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION giggles as she sshs into her haswell box < 1363834559 266307 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(91 x 16bit for ADPCM volume table) < 1363834559 474167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1363834559 683519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1363834565 788205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1363834569 675724 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was only one way to do that LUT fast < 1363834582 588227 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all the algo up to the address generation on standard ARM < 1363834597 616364 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the rest of the algo in NEON < 1363834612 45971 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try to schedule the rest of the code so that both units stay busy < 1363834616 388964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363834621 286444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(um, to shachaf ) < 1363834636 978183 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so essentially all the LUT index generation has zero vectorizing < 1363834640 865803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: How do you have a Haswell box to SSH into? < 1363834661 766406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's just say I know a guy, who knows a guy... who knows another guy." < 1363834669 558800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I have one for work < 1363834687 479525 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I kind of have to be mum about things that I don't want to be mum about < 1363834708 446231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is work? < 1363834732 675887 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have the coolest job. < 1363834735 605470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do noot < 1363834741 566170 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are way cooler things < 1363834748 519288 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like people who program for video game consoles < 1363834750 466182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1363834769 15823 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me, but she gets a Haswell, so it must be cool. < 1363834770 956982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that guy in that channel who was like "lol I wrote PS2 code and PS3 code" < 1363834811 103637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you have a secret job? < 1363834829 805817 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently she doesn't like talking about what she actually does < 1363834845 951442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my working theory is she works on russian sound weapons < 1363834866 576243 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :v.v; < 1363834873 186166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to hear that Russian weapons are sound, I guess. < 1363834879 516640 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first version of the evolver that runs is clearly fatally flawed. < 1363834884 685820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Russian weapons, anyway. < 1363834888 610664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving specifics would be about enough to find my identity pretty quickly <.< < 1363834891 988190 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "best" in generation 10 has exactly 0 live opcodes. < 1363834901 916627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're one of those pseudonymous people, too? < 1363834915 276648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could we find your identity if you work for a russian intelligence agency? think this through, fiora < 1363834944 532420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I guess? < 1363834971 746346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you work at Intel or a non-Intell Haswellian place? < 1363834995 786598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read today that you can uniquely identify someone from their gait as measured by the 3-axis accelerometer in their smartphone < 1363835017 302553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1363835022 445322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horses have smartphones now? < 1363835044 637820 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude even i have a smartphone, and i'm not even alive. < 1363835046 565992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ll/l/ < 1363835051 433045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't work at intel <_> < 1363835140 586492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK then. < 1363835156 276416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I try to figure out your identity or should I not? < 1363835164 172133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably shouldnt because i dont think it'll work < 1363835182 249048 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's kind of, um, unnerving when people do that < 1363835186 905719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: startup idea: smartphones for horses < 1363835188 412349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant whether you have any objections. < 1363835194 780959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a yes. < 1363835214 246081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think you're cool even if you are an identity-less phantom inside my computer < 1363835228 46533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes to play the "figure out pseudonymous people's identity" game, but generally only when they don't object. < 1363835240 676456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope when you get to play with time machine or omnipotent AI hardware before everyone else, you'll at least give #esoteric a heads-up < 1363835242 426277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's Phantom_Hoover. < 1363835253 656278 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always fun to find someone's four year old deviantart ccount < 1363835261 436849 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "generally" < 1363835284 255460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I can't think of any exceptions off-hand. < 1363835311 964798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I only wish I could work with things that cool <.< < 1363835330 108278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell is basically a time machine. < 1363835339 725467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or evidence of one. < 1363835345 207818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it only comes out this summer, right? < 1363835349 442303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of... hot tub time machine < 1363835356 75619 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good film < 1363835377 785529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me two tries to watch it < 1363835386 455548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the first time I got falling down drunk by about the 20 min mark < 1363835404 85588 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a successful watch as far as I'm concerned. < 1363835422 625538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even *tried* to watch it. < 1363835427 325534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How drunk does that make me? < 1363835435 226525 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dully sober. < 1363835472 755577 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do me, do me! < 1363835487 57075 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll be boring. :P) < 1363835487 303126 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pikhq < 1363835490 256902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1363835494 955916 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got nothing. < 1363835505 89660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really count as pseudonymous < 1363835512 105957 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1363835514 795810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're not Josiah Worcester of Colorado? < 1363835519 593751 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's me. < 1363835523 106170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birthday this Saturday. < 1363835535 157246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1363835535 365704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll turn 23? < 1363835538 85974 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1363835552 555645 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm, like, anti-anonymous online. < 1363835570 465957 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonymous < 1363835579 454652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also I kind of like being an identityless phantom, it's kinda fun (and a bit comforting, in a way) < 1363835637 65793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should probably use a hash function designed to work this way. < 1363835640 56312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Salsa20! < 1363835665 456212 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Average fitness: -7569.4, Max fitness: -950.0] < 1363835670 706130 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, it's kinda working o~o < 1363835682 647319 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty unfit. < 1363835696 796312 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is "wins and loses equally" :p < 1363835712 256257 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like thermonuclear war. < 1363835733 444761 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should code up an evo thing to see how red queen works out. < 1363835735 958626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How about me? < 1363835738 196855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do me, do me! < 1363835750 855650 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been wondering what evolution would turn up if the actors can modify each other, like modern medicine. < 1363835794 47742 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PART :#esoteric < 1363835842 436479 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf Ben-Kiki? < 1363835863 547543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, uh, elliott's name. < 1363835863 846286 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-will-lose-badly http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-4-341.bfjoust < 1363835877 916800 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-will-lose-badly: 10.0 < 1363835905 143771 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolved by joust evo eh < 1363835909 890347 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, almost certainly. < 1363835924 475949 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good with names < 1363835927 406543 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice work on the 0x$0.20. < 1363836184 288250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse you and your otherwise privateness. < 1363836191 676556 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to care more to find further details. < 1363836230 32201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have otherwise privateness? < 1363836239 466543 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"account : Madoka-Kaname" snort < 1363836257 37645 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Researching everyone? < 1363836258 68653 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude < 1363836270 543401 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Namely, I'm not finding a wide-open Facebook account. :P < 1363836298 586313 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to /whois everybody < 1363836300 211653 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Meh, you'll find a giant chunk of personal details on me within 5 results on Google. < 1363836622 995963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the singularitarians spend a lot of time thinking about that < 1363836641 498638 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I don't want to pay attention to them. < 1363836653 226768 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are only slightly radical theories of recent human evolution that involve drugs. < 1363836676 662652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm actually an AI running on an AWS micro instance < 1363836688 840514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficient. < 1363836770 876686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoned ape hypothesis < 1363836779 517688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about 'only slightly radical' < 1363836817 126608 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't involve McKenna. < 1363836836 227620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy < 1363836842 996731 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i didn't bookmark the book... < 1363836852 937751 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was by an actual anthropologist, not like... you know. McKenna. < 1363836899 671565 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent human evolution is just cool in general. I mean have you ever really thought about lactase persistance < 1363836957 27064 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, actually. < 1363836968 508951 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. keep that up. < 1363837029 776755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lactase persistence is a neat trick < 1363837048 896599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+2 racial bonus to Drink Milk checks < 1363837094 396748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say soemthing but ive totally forgotten what < 1363837108 296428 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it about milk? < 1363837108 596593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good story < 1363837162 287421 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1363837184 14854 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found what caused the speciation to go crazy, and spew out 1000 species at random. < 1363837197 866680 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It considers empty individuals to be infinitely unrelated to everything... >_< < 1363837316 322420 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, now i want to know the book again. the only anthro books i have bookmarked aren't about evolution. < 1363837316 567183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thanks her dad for lactase persistence genes? < 1363837332 959754 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god mckenna actually called it "stoned ape", i thought that was a joke < 1363837812 107650 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow whoops < 1363837813 738110 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't running < 1363837816 369482 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half my mutations. < 1363837817 416927 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. < 1363837823 797041 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that operated on the contents of genes. < 1363837838 898311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this evolver sounds somewhat suboptimal < 1363837862 565330 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously lymia needs to get closer to the optimum < 1363837874 557277 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use some kind of gradient descent, or evolutionary algorithm, to design the algorithm < 1363837960 306892 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363838762 33324 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363838813 28199 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.[.[.[.[.[.:....]....]....]....]....].... < 1363838816 807952 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting individual there < 1363838912 917064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1363839040 707051 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :: means "recursion limit reached" >_> < 1363839265 917463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363839823 457030 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363840075 407498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: isn't that basically the ()% construction, just expanded by hand? < 1363840099 922215 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1363840106 867403 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ()% construction is... a bit syntatically difficult >_< < 1363840197 248190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you wrote is (.[{:}....])%5 < 1363840205 980509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1363840215 647497 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try generating ({})% later < 1363840237 297746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be hard if you already have code for expanding it < 1363840240 937487 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't think of a good encoding for that, so, I settled for that. < 1363840243 848518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't expand it and output the unexpanded for instead < 1363840244 57196 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well... < 1363840253 507657 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The encoding is vastly different from the ({}) encoding < 1363840281 637012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would surprise me < 1363840292 928269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have in the current encoding? < 1363840354 227778 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... A gene is a linear sequence of instructions and activations. Activations try to trigger other genes, using some rules. < 1363840373 818397 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could encode, like,, [[][]][[][]]... too. < 1363840380 8794 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more complicated stuff. < 1363840405 553733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see, you don't have a special case for nesting/recursion? < 1363840423 144278 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1363840576 637608 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets population size to 200 < 1363840585 768968 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if the system works then. Goodbye all 4 cores of CPU time :p < 1363840600 497583 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Luckily, it's O(n) without inner-population evaluations... >_<) < 1363840813 208422 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 11M Mar 20 23:39 temp/evo-477-885.bfjoust < 1363840818 327822 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need a protection against this. < 1363840992 687990 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space < 1363840995 947941 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow totally killing these < 1363841125 617743 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/37065/8950fa75a836a5606ffc61cfcb1be3e1 < 1363841126 418402 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed < 1363841582 427962 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363842800 679709 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363842924 798677 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does gearlance care about the order of its arguments? < 1363842933 618539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I don't know, I didn't write it < 1363842947 528470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my BF Joust impl is juiced, which fell off the internet < 1363842950 278512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, I should put it back < 1363843098 828727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fixed < 1363843100 388403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nethack4.org/esolangs/juiced.c < 1363843101 998878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my interp < 1363843197 489836 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Average fitness: -7653.368350168351, Max fitness: -7120.0] < 1363843197 788930 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Average fitness: -7921.638165859564, Max fitness: -4205.0] < 1363843198 236143 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1363843200 378698 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one generation? < 1363843237 250937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can expect huge improvements at the start < 1363843241 58953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < is a lot worse than . < 1363843241 929187 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. It learned how to do the flag dance. < 1363843250 738499 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm starting with all nops. < 1363843254 288378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+-)*-1, that sort of thing? < 1363843257 78274 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1363843265 956370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid_vibration (+-)*-1 < 1363843269 868462 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_stupid_vibration: 5.8 < 1363843278 158483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that seems about right < 1363843282 788356 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupidish_vibration -+.+-[-+.+-[-+.+-[-+.+-[-+.+-[-+.+-:]].-<<<].-<<<].-<<<].-<<< < 1363843287 298223 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stupidish_vibration: 10.0 < 1363843345 541511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it ever reaches the -<<< bit, it suicides < 1363843357 178278 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1363843377 768536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lymiastupidish_vibration_golfed (-+.+-.)*-1 < 1363843381 875799 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_lymiastupidish_vibration_golfed: 13.3 < 1363843389 338804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lymiastupidish_vibration_golfed < < 1363843392 308345 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_lymiastupidish_vibration_golfed: 0.0 < 1363843404 618822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :13.3 is actually very good for a vibration program that doesn't set decoys < 1363843413 998471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, unprecedented I've-never-seen-this-before good < 1363843445 391210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps evolving programs can be useful after all < 1363843469 2701 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probs just because it can figure out a vibration pattern that targets as many programs on the hill as possible < 1363843527 126840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363843555 568182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be able to lock two-cycles, or it wouldn't do as well < 1363843569 306534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it locks both two-cycle and three-cycle clears? < 1363843576 40125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is particularly immune to direction change, or something < 1363843579 28470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try it locally < 1363843608 209523 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust less_stupid_vibration -[-[-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....]-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....].....]-[-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....]-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....].....].....]-[-[-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....]-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....].....]-[-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....]-[-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]]-[-[-:-:]-[-:-:]].....].....].....]..... < 1363843613 556274 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_less_stupid_vibration: 14.9 < 1363843627 538644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? :) < 1363843726 698795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, I see: the (-+.+-.) pattern has a 2 in 3 chance of securing a detectable lock < 1363843740 238583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and several programs (especially david_werecat's) have no counermeasures in place for that < 1363843759 458523 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bfjoust less_stupid_vibration_golfed -.-.-.(-[-[--]-[--]]-[-[--]-[--]].....)%-1 < 1363843774 429724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you mean *-1 < 1363843776 638518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and !bfjoust < 1363843784 388612 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. :p < 1363843789 170322 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust less_stupid_vibration_golfed -.-.-.(-[-[--]-[--]]-[-[--]-[--]].....)*-1 < 1363843794 609939 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_less_stupid_vibration_golfed: 14.9 < 1363843800 459656 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is % only for finite repeats? < 1363843808 237594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is for nesting repeats < 1363843810 800213 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363843819 318935 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So... %0 isn't an acceptable comment? >_<) < 1363843837 739492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a(b)*9c is equivalent to a(b{})%9c < 1363843844 171184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the {} tells you where to self-embed < 1363843855 861728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's inside the {} tells you what to do when you hit the recursion limit < 1363844129 128939 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-199-99.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363844135 501182 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-29-1.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363844484 918878 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foo ([-{<}+])%-1 < 1363844489 58936 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_foo: 7.8 < 1363844779 229074 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giant code sizes still out of control... < 1363844785 449174 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets limit to 32K opcodes < 1363844851 112155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: that's just a 2-cycle clear on your own flag < 1363844869 999658 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know :p < 1363844874 679975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only reason that potentially does well at all is if it hits an opponent's 2-cycle clear with the opposite polarity < 1363844878 629641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they end up getting stuck on each other < 1363845446 879203 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if it can hope hit 0 fitness. < 1363845454 760123 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be "wins and loses equally" < 1363845459 938676 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can hope to* < 1363845514 819859 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363845516 189886 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait. < 1363845519 279477 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should count ties as loses < 1363845593 459666 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :line.split(" ").last.toInt - line.count(_ == 'X') < 1363845596 239607 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for terse languages < 1363845845 320315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363845845 620748 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363845893 432186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another? :o < 1363845944 270133 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ^list for < 1363845951 720071 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be to highlight people. But for what purpose. < 1363845967 921461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: some webcomic updating < 1363845970 565900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck~ < 1363845974 201406 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1363845976 919651 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loses interest :< < 1363846018 230077 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we have a lot of lists now, maybe lymia could fit on one of them. < 1363846030 359728 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/ | grep list < 1363846032 701973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :list \ listen < 1363846037 940205 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp. < 1363846054 914645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????????????????????????? < 1363846067 310222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1363846067 610185 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts question marks < 1363846068 640270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: smlist: not found < 1363846069 240236 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'sa lot < 1363846074 181025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? < 1363846084 750741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What did you do? < 1363846089 437445 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1363846090 910553 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ grep '^..:..:..: <[^>]*> `list' /var/irclogs/_esoteric/201[3-9]-??-??.txt | sed 's/^.*.*//;s/_*$//' | sort -u | tr '\n' ' ' < 1363846097 910591 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's still working < 1363846105 740558 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"great" < 1363846108 390672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody seriously way reverted things or something. < 1363846110 140200 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a scary program. < 1363846120 759786 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pings people :( < 1363846122 870575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1363846123 169570 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1363846135 9552 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome bike < 1363846137 549941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1363846142 588337 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-211-10.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363846143 189662 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome bike < 1363846145 39964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/relcome: 2: colourise: not found < 1363846150 81814 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-199-99.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363846152 296285 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, we're doomed. < 1363846152 514067 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So HackEgo, like... < 1363846164 869850 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pings everybody who has ever used the `list command? < 1363846169 480988 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363846172 690653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363846189 25246 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since january, anyway. < 1363846197 338819 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an important command because it shames me forever. < 1363846215 929623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : rm bin/?*list < 1363846229 592208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Please see above. < 1363846234 399599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the new version, it seems to be free from race conditions < 1363846247 139862 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1363846247 347866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 2432 < 1363846250 896873 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine hello?? < 1363846252 604735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file emptylist \ patching file instalist \ patching file makelist \ patching file mlist \ patching file olist \ patching file pbflist \ patching file slist \ patching file smlist \ patching file testlist < 1363846253 527500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf i have a feeling nobody but you cares about the billion different lists < 1363846255 589877 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine hello?? < 1363846264 104451 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine hello?? < 1363846264 312978 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1363846267 777122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine hello?? < 1363846268 460090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: There's been a supermegacomics update. < 1363846270 409905 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god no < 1363846270 852032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you care? < 1363846272 431624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i saw < 1363846272 729945 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1363846283 669764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally find out about comic updates from sources other than the `lists < 1363846285 490719 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i check supermega every day and sometimes more than every day because im fidgety < 1363846341 989956 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bleh. The system is seriously biased towards making highly recursive structures-- biasing it greatly towards vibration stuff. < 1363846355 930502 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts that on her "important observations" list < 1363846362 203508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this update is p.good < 1363846368 759843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: vibration is the easiest program to construct for an evolver by far < 1363846392 220671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :structures++ < 1363846410 930673 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. The current evolver, quite clearly has a problem with going, like, AAAACBBBB < 1363846415 910708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because the vast majority of the hill has resistance against rushes < 1363846435 610065 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I might, just as an experiment, run it in against-itself mode. < 1363846447 734216 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then against the hill after. < 1363846451 729906 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see how that works out < 1363846502 599546 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust some-weird-vibrator --.+--.+.+[-.+]-.+--.+--.+.+[-.+].+[-.+--.+.+[]-.+].+[]--.+--.+.+[-.+].+[]--.+.+[]-.+ < 1363846507 191304 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_some-weird-vibrator: 9.6 < 1363846522 951378 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1363846527 870624 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if it can do better with it counting ties as losses-- as EgoBot does < 1363846528 379894 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1363846546 583 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been improvement every generation so far. < 1363846555 970659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ties aren't counted as losses, but they also don't get you points < 1363846564 249934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly how it works < 1363846599 236227 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing < 1363846601 640876 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wins - losses - ties < 1363846609 380557 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just summing that for the fitness. < 1363846617 980345 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1363846619 130351 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. < 1363846627 691558 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I multiply it by 5 after. < 1363846644 230183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/*list < 1363846645 510757 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/*list: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/*list: No such file or directory < 1363846648 745448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list < 1363846650 370963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/list < 1363846650 989890 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full function is 5*hill + 1*population < 1363846656 991549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *list < 1363846657 880750 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I disabled the latter part because that causes O(n^2) < 1363846658 331471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist \ instalist \ makelist \ mlist \ olist \ pbflist \ slist \ smlist \ testlist < 1363846666 549849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat olist | rot13 < 1363846668 330649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363846669 80699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat olist | r13 < 1363846671 21869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0"): "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ brewna \ Ftrb < 1363846678 420016 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who r13 it < 1363846680 830529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv *list bin/ < 1363846684 110400 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363846713 999961 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why* < 1363846717 240204 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now Sgeo does have to fungot < 1363846717 947179 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if it's weird. i never hear talk about stk, especially not not me :) lemme check < 1363846719 640174 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't < 1363846879 746080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get a new computer I'm not going to be able to play with it while lying down on the couch :( < 1363846918 460098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: because people aren't normally pinged by the rot13 of their own nick < 1363846958 140139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, though. < 1363846966 220994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't matter with me because I was running it. < 1363846983 379967 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363847006 400796 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363847010 870299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… what nick came first, "shachaf" or "funpuns"? < 1363847035 840307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual hill scoring considers wins against better programs more important; it's described at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES -- not that raw duel points (which are 1 point for win, 0 for tie, -1 for loss) or anything else similar would necessarily be bad for fitness. < 1363847049 108752 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-215-88.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363847050 60586 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah. < 1363847054 734083 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do wins - loses < 1363847063 10023 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite clearly grossly inaccurate < 1363847079 209539 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-211-10.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363847082 993860 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... wait. < 1363847085 710666 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The actual hill scoring considers wins against better programs more important" < 1363847105 370289 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an evolutionary algorithm, that might mean a lot. Since, it could potentially find weakness targeted at the top of the hill. < 1363847109 220913 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :weaknesses* < 1363847135 450092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is a mystery. < 1363847161 191014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: there are definitely serious weaknesses in some of the high-up programs < 1363847186 520469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Losses also sorta-don't count in the score as much, since it clamps the points-against-X to 0 for the score calculation. < 1363847186 766927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. omnipotence can be defeated simply via timer clears that set a lot of decoys < 1363847224 181628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, those known weaknesses are unlikely to be found by an evolutionary algorithm < 1363847228 943021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might find different weaknesses, though < 1363847243 530373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course they count in the sense that win-win-win-loss is 2 while win-win-win-tie is 3.) < 1363847340 480173 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I really want to see if I can get more interesting behavior if I run it without touching the hill first. < 1363847351 491064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: yes, that sounds like a good test < 1363847361 340348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at least likely to produce rush programs, eventually < 1363847394 860521 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. let it run on its own for 100 or so generations, then see how it works on the hill < 1363847395 69256 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not work so well though. My speciation algorithm is, er...scizophranic. < 1363847424 31729 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For it to actually work well though, I have to fix my speciation code. < 1363847436 661253 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it stops deciding there's 10 species one generation, and 4 the next < 1363847438 58554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust boobnipples (++++++--..--[++++-]...--[+])*-1 < 1363847442 650512 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oklopol_boobnipples: 9.7 < 1363847466 114535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good score or a bad score < 1363847482 620226 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad < 1363847483 743641 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very bad < 1363847494 960226 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine 9.7 as an IQ < 1363847503 560318 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a test grade < 1363847514 830423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.7/10? < 1363847526 541470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not such a bad test grade. < 1363847541 480320 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363847551 130185 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9.7/100 is a F though) < 1363847568 320395 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And likely to drag your grade for the entire class down to at least a C) < 1363847591 229613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Americlasses. < 1363847597 962816 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363847661 490439 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, please exorcise my speciation code :( < 1363847665 780451 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArraySeq(64, 68, 68) < one generation < 1363847673 220861 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArraySeq(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3) < 1363847673 430169 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : < the next < 1363847678 311296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :) < 1363847678 780652 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good array < 1363847682 132639 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArraySeq(21, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22) < the one after that < 1363847717 560879 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The target is an average of 20 individuals per species. < 1363847737 240633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 20 or so means "the idea behind this program might potentially work"; 40-50 means "this program will survive on the hill for a while", 60+ is what you'd expect from a top program < 1363847738 900196 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the variable speciation constant is basically overpowered by whatever feedback loop is causing this... < 1363848202 410321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought maximum was 42 < 1363848271 815340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it currently 6h45 in the morning in your country? < 1363848280 262597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes < 1363848284 372680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 6:44 < 1363848310 130451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you were up all night talking about brainfuck joust in the middle of the week < 1363848366 20786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waywardventriculation (,.>,.>,.>,.>,.>,.[[>>+-]....],,,>>,,.<<,,,[+-.-+.+-.]-)*-1 < 1363848368 310365 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it pretty hard for me to mentally place everyone in their respective timezone < 1363848369 490614 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oklopol_waywardventriculation: 0.0 < 1363848371 950739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>D < 1363848384 400384 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day i'll learn how this game words < 1363848386 300526 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1363848424 220886 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-34 http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-6834-6785.bfjoust < 1363848432 141526 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-34: 17.2 < 1363848452 610606 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust naive_1 (->+>)*5([-]>)*-1 < 1363848456 530394 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_naive_1: 15.4 < 1363848469 480397 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1363848471 580858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first try < 1363848473 343877 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363848501 761112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that's not an awful program < 1363848503 851998 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363848511 540597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically I tried others before but I hadn't understood the rules) < 1363848514 731414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, however, the sort of thing many of the older programs are specialized to beat < 1363848515 901161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well misread) < 1363848528 614298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I hope so < 1363848530 980486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newer programs are mostly trying to beat the older programs and each other, though < 1363848539 41389 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363848543 10783 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My program is currently crunching numbers, apparently with the goal of making the best possible vibrator... with no decoys. < 1363848548 561467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to read up about offset clears < 1363848558 950930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do < 1363848566 563719 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they completely revolutionised BF Joust when they were invented < 1363848569 327063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it blew my mind, at least < 1363848574 240617 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are offset clears? < 1363848574 900302 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-223-81.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363848583 432570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-215-88.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363848585 130778 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some check, >*x and [-]? < 1363848588 650521 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that? < 1363848598 897798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: basically you do ++[-] or the like, so that instead of being very fast at 0, 1, 2, 3 but very slow at -1, you're very fast at -2, -1, 0, 1, 2 but slow at -3 < 1363848623 391583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although arguably they aren't so useful any more because they made decoys very close to 1 useless at actually slowing programs down < 1363848631 944308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so they aren't used for that purpose very often < 1363848662 623508 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b722f.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1363848689 790745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just say "offset clears are so efficient at defeating decoys that decoys are no longer used and thus offset clears are useless nowadays"? < 1363848725 482403 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offset clears sounds like the kind of thing you actually expect an evolutionary algorithm to learn. < 1363848786 672437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: pretty much, BF Joust works like that < 1363848795 282444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're still useful because programs use size-1 decoys for other purposes < 1363848806 810734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that they won't be much good at slowing the enemy, but if they do it's a bonus < 1363848815 880918 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-x < 1363848818 992665 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I effectively have < 1363848825 430988 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No speciation < 1363848893 741462 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the score given by egobot? the number of programs I defeated? < 1363848915 821651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's calculated based on how many programs it beats, how convincingly it beats them, and how good the programs it beats are < 1363848930 372930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, alright < 1363848979 50287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we had quintopia's scoring < 1363849010 812 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-40 http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-6010-7971.bfjoust < 1363849015 624595 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-40: 17.2 < 1363849027 821537 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hun? < 1363849037 650850 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fitness change by my algorithm, and no change by EgoBot's? < 1363849044 930841 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it, like, not count certain wins? < 1363849128 380746 :nooodl^!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363849311 171957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how convincingly it beats them"? < 1363849362 181415 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think a "match" between two programs is made of 21 battles < 1363849385 821186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, if you win on more tape lengths < 1363849390 140630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it counts as better < 1363849761 591835 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: ie < 1363849768 91390 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363849851 841337 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-7-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363849859 611354 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-223-81.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363850154 404712 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363850361 261497 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363850397 880651 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-9-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363850411 352673 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-7-176.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363850458 734094 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363850458 942337 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1363850458 942421 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1363850606 331870 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1363850638 192706 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid-vibrator (++-)*-1 < 1363850658 531932 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stupid-vibrator: 14.5 < 1363850703 22236 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm simultaneously surprised at the variety of code structures the algorithm manages to generate-- and, unfortunately, how little it uses it... < 1363850731 212161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust empty . < 1363850735 831616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_empty: 3.6 < 1363850779 492536 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you have a hill of "easier" programs somewhere? < 1363850797 386859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I don't, but taking a hill from 2009 or so would be good to test against < 1363850814 441543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust notsolucky (>)*20[-] < 1363850819 172272 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_notsolucky: 0.0 < 1363850823 861750 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363850841 871845 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to use hg like that < 1363850843 202211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the set of sample programs at http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies for some stuff. < 1363850855 871219 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lucky >*10[-]>[-] < 1363850859 733443 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_lucky: 3.6 < 1363850863 151470 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha~ < 1363850884 761472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 3.6 you get for not committing suicide < 1363850894 521186 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust luckier >*10[-]>[-]>[-] < 1363850898 748348 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_luckier: 3.6 < 1363850907 723892 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust luckiest >*10[--]>[--]>[--] < 1363850911 92614 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_luckiest: 3.6 < 1363850912 256301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1363850924 301956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust straightforward (>)*9([-])*-1 < 1363850928 851411 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_straightforward: 4.3 < 1363850930 423300 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust [->+<] < 1363850931 441677 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363850936 511791 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-isnt-bf! [->+<] < 1363850939 871456 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-isnt-bf_: 5.1 < 1363850952 411745 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1363850956 941275 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV 0, 1 beats stuff? < 1363851017 633441 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-9-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1363851018 571474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1363851030 450422 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-11-143.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363851030 450582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: "hg update -d *8>([-[-[-[-[-]]]]]>)*-1 < 1363851235 491639 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_i-hate-decoys: 11.5 < 1363851247 312214 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-hate-decoys >*8([-[-[-[-]]]]>)*-1 < 1363851250 790110 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_i-hate-decoys: 10.2 < 1363851262 51957 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-hate-decoys >*8([-[-[-[--]]]]>)*-1 < 1363851266 502352 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_i-hate-decoys: 9.7 < 1363851341 788054 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1363851343 141669 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION \o/ < 1363851346 273061 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My speciation code is fixed! < 1363851346 671532 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1363851347 877636 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363851400 392195 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust weird-vibrator (+.-.)*-1 < 1363851405 292466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: [-[-[-[-[-[-]]]]] is mostly the same as [-[-]] but more vulnerable to triplocks < 1363851408 21570 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_weird-vibrator: 6.0 < 1363851420 252508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with unbalanced brackets because I failed to copy it correctly < 1363851437 901848 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an interesting challenge. < 1363851446 91456 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a bfjoust program that fits on an IRC line and gets a good score :p < 1363851453 421022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, [-[-]][-[-]] is the gold standard pattern for immunity to both triplocks and vibration programs, although you want a clear that's more reliable against locks than [-] < 1363851460 362249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: quite a few high-up programs would fit on a line < 1363851464 58539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could be modified to do so < 1363851466 231624 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1363851478 352455 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :They appear to be mostly in the 20KB range < 1363851479 772424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is with defense programs, and programs that need to write out a lot of near-identical cases < 1363851489 225274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my programs fit in one of those categories or the other… < 1363851520 241773 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363851666 63724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing ((-->+>)*20(--<+<)*20)*-1 < 1363851669 841951 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 0.0 < 1363851712 143682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the first loop moves 40 cells < 1363851717 820825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape has a maximum length of 30 < 1363851728 933102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, the only way that doesn't suicide is if the opponent suicides faster :) < 1363851733 385038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. < 1363851747 467108 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing ((-->+>)*15(--<+<)*15)*-1 < 1363851748 522002 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, the difficulty in BF Joust is trying to stop at your opponent's flag, if you go even one cell beyond you lose < 1363851750 729720 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 0.0 < 1363851754 931877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your opponent isn't going to make it easy to find the flag < 1363851764 192370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*14 would make it actually possible for the program to not lose, btw < 1363851768 803685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363851773 327429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing ((-->+>)*10(--<+<)*10)*-1 < 1363851774 622938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only on long tapes. < 1363851778 501832 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 0.0 < 1363851781 876450 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay? XD < 1363851782 648916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd still probably lose due to requiring the tape length to be exactly 29 to have a chance < 1363851789 928673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks breakdown < 1363851790 136440 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : val fightHill = false < 1363851790 372762 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : val fightPopulation = true < 1363851791 543105 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go! < 1363851797 442160 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :80^2 evaluations yay < 1363851806 572238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start your engines. < 1363851817 203074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: there are a few programs that wins against on a few tape lengths < 1363851827 72844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its problem is that it just hasn't scored even one decimal place of score :) < 1363851851 208054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing (-[-[-[-]]]]>)*-1 < 1363851854 982559 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 0.0 < 1363851862 801767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearing your own flag is also inadvisable < 1363851863 11281 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That clears yourself :p < 1363851869 339368 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing (>-[-[-[-]]]])*-1 < 1363851870 322426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try starting with a > or nine < 1363851872 651807 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 0.0 < 1363851880 728133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that didn't work <.< < 1363851881 484409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1363851883 534077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should do better < 1363851899 232055 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing (>-[-[-[-]]])*-1 < 1363851900 305863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "parse error: terminating ] without a matching [" < 1363851904 529838 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing: 6.2 < 1363851912 28878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain that XD < 1363851912 972482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now you're actually scoring points :) < 1363851970 712852 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-is-weird-and-stuff >>>+*10>>+*10->+>-->++>(>-[-])*-1 < 1363851977 483150 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-is-weird-and-stuff: 5.5 < 1363851983 322027 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-is-also-entirely-random >>>+*10>>+*10->+>-->++>(>[-[-]])*-1 < 1363851988 244283 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-is-also-entirely-random: 11.7 < 1363852000 362500 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does * without () work? < 1363852008 283158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but EgoBot's interp might understand it anyway < 1363852016 382366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it treats it as a comment < 1363852016 591002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the two programs start at opposite ends of the take? < 1363852018 384504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, is it random? < 1363852019 144952 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363852022 402654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: opposite ends < 1363852026 390496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > is towards the opponent < 1363852028 305320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so they start maximum distance from each other < 1363852030 622668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the opponent's flag < 1363852030 832502 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust - < 1363852031 882516 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363852032 332516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363852036 675772 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment - < 1363852044 250960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, but if the tape is an even number long, aren't both directions equally close? < 1363852046 71875 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 3.6 < 1363852046 732856 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "no, but maybe yes"? Does that mean "it's not supposed to, but maybe yes" < 1363852049 472117 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment -*100 < 1363852053 722167 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 3.6 < 1363852056 272235 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment -*128 < 1363852057 642822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1363852059 634583 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 3.6 < 1363852061 722436 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment -*-1 < 1363852066 362206 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 3.6 < 1363852066 581041 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Alright < 1363852068 61986 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (-)*-1 < 1363852071 500418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it just treats the * as a comment < 1363852080 882492 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the answer, I guess. < 1363852085 152152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -*-1 is equivalent to -- < 1363852086 693149 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 7.3 < 1363852089 531862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you just posted increase < 1363852100 112974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite good at getting draws, but not very good at winning < 1363852103 520810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O how does (-)*-1 get 7.3? < 1363852105 101882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we try it every now and then < 1363852105 852649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to have positive duel points against at least one program in order to get a nonzero score. < 1363852119 251757 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-is-also-entirely-random >>>(+)*10>>(+)*10->+>-->++>(>[-[-]])*-1 < 1363852119 460464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: because your flag needs to be zero for two cycles to win < 1363852122 602082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that changes it every cycle < 1363852124 927454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhhhhh < 1363852125 381818 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-is-also-entirely-random: 13.1 < 1363852134 222279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the opponent's only way to win is to let you zero it, then change it in the opposite direction to hold it in place < 1363852149 441835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programs are capable of doing that on at least one polarity, though (even the simple [-] does that) < 1363852161 781519 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-.+] < 1363852162 255835 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363852170 853096 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's not effective at clearing... < 1363852174 683043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363852176 683094 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[--.+] < 1363852178 192297 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363852187 671446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite often, people suggest modified clear loops that actually are incapable of just clearing :) < 1363852195 702428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone try ++ once, I think < 1363852205 552250 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-17-74.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363852220 132939 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-11-143.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363852228 732438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1363852246 971770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust silly ((<-[-[-[++++]]])(>>>-[-[-[++++]]]))*-1 < 1363852251 847023 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_silly: 3.6 < 1363852256 291764 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll die in one tick. < 1363852264 734957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? :O < 1363852269 982058 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1363852273 811968 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_suicide: 0.0 < 1363852276 40867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363852277 280352 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1363852281 351767 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (<) < 1363852282 404811 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363852288 112899 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust maybe_suicide (<) < 1363852291 751827 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_maybe_suicide: 3.6 < 1363852294 762096 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363852300 531954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing repeat count is taken as zero. < 1363852304 522324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's just "". < 1363852307 741072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is < suicide? < 1363852316 432647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running off the tape? < 1363852322 266672 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I thought it wrapped? < 1363852325 809430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like (>)*30 is a suicide, except slower. < 1363852329 472169 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the only thing in the < direction is death < 1363852331 559240 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1363852351 962719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an instant lose, too, not a two-cycle thing like the flag-at-zero. < 1363852363 65454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, or instant die if the opponent suicides on the same cycle.) < 1363852366 902437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/die/tie/ < 1363852372 786993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((>>-[-[-[-]+]++])(<-[-[-[-]+]++]))*-1 < 1363852380 562835 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just . < 1363852418 468975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363852422 783128 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is running her evolver in "closed loop" mode. < 1363852423 182063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ((>>-[-[-[-]+]++])(<-[-[-[-]+]++]))*-1 < 1363852427 732332 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No external hill :p < 1363852433 429936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... how is that . O_O < 1363852435 625644 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 3.6 < 1363852439 812178 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what it produces in, like, 30 hours < 1363852445 372457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Because a missing repeat count for () is taken as zero, as said. < 1363852449 730202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhh < 1363852457 174751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>-[-[-[-]+]++]<-[-[-[-]+]++])*-1 < 1363852464 893863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am bad at this, sorry < 1363852482 180162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm aksjdlfkl forgot to put bfjous < 1363852491 312489 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>>-[-[-[-]+]++]<-[-[-[-]+]++])*-1 < 1363852498 497257 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 1.0 < 1363852506 729553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, even worse? <_> < 1363852508 526713 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the lowest non-zero score I've ever seen < 1363852524 328493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I so bad that I like, transcend awfulness < 1363852528 74200 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once again you're likely to run off the tape with that blind >> < 1363852535 344727 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've seen 0.6 or something < 1363852542 642976 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :((.)*4>)*-1 < 1363852546 492755 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death ((.)*4>)*-1 < 1363852550 452388 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.0 < 1363852554 373519 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death ((.)*5>)*-1 < 1363852557 743265 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852558 831884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it run off the tape if I'm always heading towards my opponent? < 1363852559 903693 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death ((.)*6>)*-1 < 1363852563 132616 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death ((.)*2>)*-1 < 1363852563 873047 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852566 515506 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 1.1 < 1363852567 831303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Score for ehird_shade_needs_to_get_laid: 0.1 < 1363852568 442365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You can run off the opponent's edge < 1363852572 742547 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death (.>)*-1 < 1363852576 532773 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 1.1 < 1363852578 303858 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Excellent < 1363852579 640011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... that means the opponent is already off the edge... right? < 1363852580 125385 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's the code for that? < 1363852587 816065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm heading towards them... < 1363852595 652397 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, the heads don't interact < 1363852597 812718 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No? You have a tape like A.........B with A being where you start and B where the opponent starts < 1363852598 562485 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except via values on the tape < 1363852606 378532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... so > is towards the opponent's flag. not towards the opponent (?) < 1363852611 322553 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes < 1363852613 903326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhhh < 1363852615 122744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Actually... it was a "<". < 1363852618 653608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You don't know where the opponent is < 1363852620 82363 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ... < 1363852624 640063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes more sense < 1363852626 229802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how < got 0.1 there. < 1363852631 882416 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death ()*300(>)*-1 < 1363852634 832507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was in 2009, things were different then. < 1363852637 106853 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death (.)*300(>)*-1 < 1363852637 552822 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 0.0 < 1363852640 574453 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852641 553856 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With more than one < on the hill? < 1363852646 223569 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death (.)*200(>)*-1 < 1363852649 708221 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852653 569260 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death (.)*100(>)*-1 < 1363852657 410987 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852662 20866 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death (.)*130(>)*-1 < 1363852665 952362 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 2.4 < 1363852670 51707 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363852673 122929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It would tie against all the other <'s, and get 0 points from them, I'd think. < 1363852677 292601 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death >+>+(.)*130(>)*-1 < 1363852680 573185 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 0.0 < 1363852685 22640 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death >+>+(.)*50(>)*-1 < 1363852688 303616 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 0.0 < 1363852692 492561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-[-[-[-]+]++])*-1 < 1363852696 683125 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death >+>+(.)*200(>)*-1 < 1363852701 182381 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 0.0 < 1363852701 390528 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 3.2 < 1363852711 962864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust mroman_decoy_got_zero_point_one_in_july_2012 [>->+>->+<<<<] < 1363852712 262542 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow-death >+>+(.)*50(>[-])*-1 < 1363852716 743131 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_mroman_decoy_got_zero_point_one_in_july_2012: 0.1 < 1363852716 951366 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_slow-death: 9.1 < 1363852721 302808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, and still does. < 1363852732 522791 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie wins :p < 1363852741 203753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mroman wins. < 1363852749 522210 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-[-[-[-]-]-])*-1 < 1363852755 914599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he produced six consecutive 0.1's there. < 1363852763 602601 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 4.0 < 1363852784 638564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-[-[-[-]]-]-)*-1 < 1363852786 63242 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lets-not-suck-/as/-badly? [>->+>->+<<<<[+]+] < 1363852792 512471 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 3.9 < 1363852795 752614 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_lets-not-suck-_as_-badly_: 3.5 < 1363852808 165109 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363852919 977206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-----)*9(>[-[-[-]])*-1 < 1363852923 385458 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 0.0 < 1363852932 183824 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-----)*9(>[-[-[-]]])*-1 < 1363852935 913447 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 15.1 < 1363852939 966665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1363852942 983513 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust self-evolving :->.>-+<-->->.>-+<-->->.>-+<-->->.>-+<-->->.>-+<-->->.>-+<--> < 1363852948 443263 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_self-evolving: 0.0 < 1363852950 114984 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 15.1 good < 1363852955 922858 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it actually does. < 1363852963 405170 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the best in generation 6 < 1363852965 322519 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no hill input < 1363852972 441962 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1363852975 423136 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it learns to rush soon < 1363852998 432061 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-176.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363853000 335716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between score and points? < 1363853003 323496 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Could we get a "program size" column there < 1363853006 103586 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um, why the dropoff between 17.45 and0.00? < 1363853015 523773 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Because the hill has a maximum size < 1363853022 249159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hill? < 1363853029 410359 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-17-74.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363853033 822261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: The set of programs < 1363853036 156482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1363853039 783208 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And their scores, and the whole thing. < 1363853052 959801 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the reason the 0.00 program is included? < 1363853076 644493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-----)*9(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853080 713217 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 15.8 < 1363853093 535317 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>-----)*9(>[-[-[-]]]-----)*-1 < 1363853093 822926 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: The latest run is always included as the last one < 1363853096 523015 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1363853097 104610 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 14.0 < 1363853118 137025 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: See also http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/breakdown.txt < 1363853128 95817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really cool < 1363853138 122255 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1363853145 544613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853153 830694 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363853154 741619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 17.2 < 1363853162 881731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the liiist!! < 1363853168 778193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There was also some javascript thing with more accurate comparison but I can't find the URL in my browser history, it's probably in the wiki < 1363853171 128600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>---->++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853177 282013 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 16.4 < 1363853180 758034 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>------>++++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853185 301486 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>------->+++++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853185 635177 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitness hovering around -2200 < 1363853188 694848 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no rushes, I presume < 1363853188 903376 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 16.7 < 1363853189 144310 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 16.7 < 1363853201 556854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>------->+++++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]--)*-1 < 1363853202 583057 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best does nothing again. < 1363853203 614277 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1363853206 486366 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 16.7 < 1363853226 713044 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a while before an effective rush... v.v; < 1363853288 982163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Re. "is 15.1 good", this is why I asked for a program size column: I think the point where most programs start to be machine-generated is currently around score 37 and up < 1363853310 897999 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're like made via a search algorithm? < 1363853315 281671 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does evolutionary algorithm'd count as "machine generated"? :p < 1363853315 906128 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[-]]]-->[-[-[-]]]++)*-1 < 1363853320 611403 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Yes < 1363853320 916670 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 16.2 < 1363853342 331673 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'm not sure, ask quintopia and ais523 about this stuff < 1363853345 621865 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a weird idea < 1363853348 491536 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And/or see the wiki < 1363853356 41490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the autogenerated ones are basically repeating simple patterns < 1363853360 673161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., the work is still mostly human < 1363853368 244718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for some of them i guess (gregor's?) < 1363853385 660041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853389 294882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 19.2 < 1363853390 674349 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My stuff is all super-simple IMO and their highest is up at 28, you should be able to get thereabouts without having to think too much < 1363853427 321434 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes evolve an ais523_omnipotence killer < 1363853440 252967 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :37 just basically seems like the current cutoff point past where you can't send it as a !bfjoust one-liner :-P < 1363853443 799331 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+[+[--------[-[-[-[-]]]]]]]]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853447 75644 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 0.0 < 1363853449 963650 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there might be some smaller ones up above, I didn't check them all. < 1363853458 303792 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+[+[--------[-[-[-[-]]]]]]]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853462 353422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 18.0 < 1363853472 673667 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evolved_anti_omnipotence http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-3495-1964.bfjoust < 1363853477 683514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to see a Deewiant program at #1 < 1363853478 683095 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_evolved_anti_omnipotence: 17.5 < 1363853500 832761 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :behemoth is only 199 bytes and has 50 score, so I guess getting high with something small is still doable < 1363853503 559740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+[-]]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853505 893559 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Allegro was #1 at some point < 1363853508 743537 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 17.3 < 1363853512 324150 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia_evolved_anti_omnipotence.bfjoust vs ais523_omnipotence.bfjoust < 1363853512 573256 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>><><>>><><><><<>>< ><>><>>><>>><<>>>>>>< -14 < 1363853512 781424 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia_evolved_anti_omnipotence.bfjoust wins. < 1363853512 990390 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363853523 246084 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-]]]]].--)*-1 < 1363853526 753449 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 18.6 < 1363853527 352986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And maybe Pendolino before that? Or maybe only Pendolino ever was. < 1363853531 790321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-].]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853532 953131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean on a current hill < 1363853535 324229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 18.7 < 1363853538 733469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that was before space_elevator I think < 1363853543 683898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which started the huge program craze < 1363853545 22984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it was. < 1363853560 144284 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363853567 613820 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think quintopia_poke was #1 at some point, and it's not very different from my stuff IIRC. < 1363853579 193318 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a little confused, without that ".", wouldn't my program run off the end the turn after zeroing the flag? < 1363853608 44395 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This poke is bigger than I remember, though... oh well. < 1363853618 642788 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, ] takes up a cycle < 1363853637 641062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1363853639 993689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR some pretty small and simple program being on top post-space_elevator. < 1363853662 748842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-][--]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853667 533819 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 19.2 < 1363853674 672996 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo$ ls hill < 1363853674 881269 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_anticipation2.bfjoust ais523_omnipotence.bfjoust quintopia_space_hotel.bfjoust < 1363853677 73162 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if this works :p < 1363853723 603500 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wait < 1363853724 954108 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it just < 1363853726 693504 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn to set decoys < 1363853729 162621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363853736 163522 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first time I've seen a best program involving pointer movement < 1363853741 7515 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853742 295421 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-176.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363853743 405295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Your "anti_omnipotence" loses against omnipotence :-P < 1363853744 595531 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 30.2 < 1363853747 454924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_______@ < 1363853748 145348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1363853749 395737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How < 1363853752 163142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :19.2 to 30.2 < 1363853752 371503 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There ya go < 1363853763 87948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I should give this a name then < 1363853765 923247 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no, no. < 1363853767 214542 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is. < 1363853772 125465 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To evolve it with only the targets on the hill < 1363853778 43266 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To try and beat only them :p < 1363853782 600278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853786 763531 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 29.0 < 1363853798 241758 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it played against my old one, how do I remove my old one? < 1363853799 533456 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Replace test with < to get it off the hill < 1363853804 779298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1363853809 332298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test < < 1363853812 639983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 0.0 < 1363853812 975171 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Or your crappy program of choice < 1363853834 748615 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I just figured that if it's been evolved against omnipotence it'd at least beat it before you submit it :-P < 1363853838 594037 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust crappy >+<(.)*10 < 1363853842 173754 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_crappy: 1.1 < 1363853848 701046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[--.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853852 333602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 12.6 < 1363853856 123726 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust crappy >+>+<<(.)*10 < 1363853857 810339 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853859 585201 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_crappy: 0.1 < 1363853861 335307 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 29.2 < 1363853862 392389 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1363853863 434170 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 0.1 < 1363853895 125941 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[(-.)*-1]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853898 383487 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 12.0 < 1363853904 43090 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I gave up making it better. < 1363853910 181440 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that doesn't work no wonder <.< < 1363853913 223995 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was a vibrator < 1363853915 737974 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853919 203202 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 23.0 < 1363853919 524998 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't learn anything interesting < 1363853925 43107 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853928 563276 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 20.7 < 1363853938 853013 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O exactly 3 repetitions of that works well...? < 1363853964 431798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[-.-.-.]]]--)*-1 < 1363853967 984028 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 24.0 < 1363853977 223770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: This is called fine-tuning to beat the current hill < 1363853987 742264 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363853988 463467 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: As programs change, other constants might work better < 1363853988 964791 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+.+.+.+.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853992 482054 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 20.7 < 1363853996 609123 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+.+.+.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363853999 902734 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 25.2 < 1363854015 25473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (>----->+++++)*4(>[-[-[+++[+[+.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363854018 684047 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_test: 22.7 < 1363854034 585587 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's some "overall optimal" choice but with the relatively small hill I don't think you can make any deep inferences from seeing that some number is better than another < 1363854099 864245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should just be syntax for optimising constants < 1363854113 256835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you put (+.)*? and the hill picks the best value of ? < 1363854121 818283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whenever new programs come in that ? gets recalculated < 1363854161 863494 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of work for 48 programs probably with an average of at least 5 ?'s < 1363854178 540830 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus there's probably not a stable solution < 1363854183 203679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know ais has an optimiser thingy that does this < 1363854190 443718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd either have to be heuristic or very cleve < 1363854190 872171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1363854196 357862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clever = avoids actually trying ?s somehow < 1363854197 743329 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You optimize program 1 then program 2, then you need to optimize 1 again etc < 1363854205 983723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead works out the execution path of what the optimal choice would be < 1363854208 204784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"somehow" < 1363854217 534672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: um sounds like you're not being smart enough < 1363854232 504335 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run an evolutionary algorithm for a few cycles? < 1363854234 734447 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with random values. < 1363854244 815747 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do itertations where you make, like, 20 mutated copies with different ? values. < 1363854253 14820 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, just take the best of each program and post those as the scores. < 1363854256 310374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo !bfjoust test >------>++++++>---->++++>--->+++>--->+++(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363854259 951385 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er askjdfl < 1363854260 160911 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 32.6 < 1363854262 234451 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well if you really want "optimal" I don't see another option < 1363854268 439482 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not optimal, but. < 1363854274 35806 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can use heuristics like Lymia suggested < 1363854286 264385 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd probably be better than the current manual guessing < 1363854287 485650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: maybe you don't see it because you don't have a phd in bf joust??????? < 1363854288 84661 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you want to be sophistcated. < 1363854297 119251 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe < 1363854303 754279 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it "until the hill is stable" < 1363854316 736697 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Which can mean "forever" < 1363854326 332950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am thinking you could avoid the no-stable-solutiont hing with something like quintopia's scoring system < 1363854332 474769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ HIGHLY SPECIFIC INFO < 1363854339 304890 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's quintopia's scoring system < 1363854351 186877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O http://www.killtheapostrophe.com/ < 1363854352 474608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well you know the current scoring system < 1363854358 414757 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really but go on < 1363854369 571710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: where you get assigned weighted score based on how you beat programs based on their points < 1363854373 615480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, more score for beating a program with high points < 1363854376 584338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :points = just standard wins - losses < 1363854386 984984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beating a better program (in terms of wins - losses) is more valuable < 1363854390 224665 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes OK I figured it was something like that < 1363854395 745076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia's scoring system just takes the fixed point of that < 1363854417 246768 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1363854418 105705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki down ors omething i was trying to find his explanation of it < 1363854428 409287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone access http://esolangs.org/ < 1363854434 6687 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can access it fine < 1363854440 474586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well it is on the talk page of the brainfuck joust article < 1363854441 613340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1363854448 56625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh suddenly it works for me < 1363854452 694305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:BF_Joust#Scoring < 1363854484 704862 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, sprunge links are broken < 1363854491 604452 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was possible < 1363854551 377965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they expire < 1363854553 730502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that section is irrelevant < 1363854555 534486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one I mean < 1363854580 403710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I was just interested < 1363854609 724475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I could imagine some sufficiently smart algorithm that takes a heap with these ? holes and calculates what the results are assuming everyone got "optimal ?s" < 1363854616 345017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without actually figuring out values for them < 1363854627 295609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe that algorithm would be uncomputable < 1363854630 905528 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1363854636 138746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo >---->++++++>---->++++>--->+++>--->+++(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363854639 694376 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 31.8 < 1363854652 794549 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the term "algorithm" implies computability < 1363854683 354726 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if not then I take it to anyway when I say that I can't imagine such a thing, or at least have no idea how it could work < 1363854712 864278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: anything you can write steps for is an algorithm, even if one of those steps is "figure out if the program halts" or "decide if these two functions are equal" < 1363854738 344862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed™ < 1363854753 878500 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo >---->++++++>---->++++>--->+++>--->+++>---(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363854757 564488 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 32.1 < 1363854758 142444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even more fun if you imagine allowing people to do (a{b}c)%? < 1363854773 214874 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagined that we would be allowing that < 1363855325 266431 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Quit: Viivan loppu. < 1363855358 491521 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363855738 394810 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... classy < 1363855741 455026 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My evolver just generated < 1363855744 91697 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-)*3907 < 1363855767 784729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good program < 1363855781 86948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does viivan loppu mean goodbye in finnish < 1363855799 423714 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo >---->++++++>---->---->+++>--->--->+++>---(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]++>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*2(>[-[-[+++[+[-.-.-.]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363855802 985166 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 34.2 < 1363855815 145557 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm number... 16, yay < 1363855842 469656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nice < 1363855842 678983 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a literal translation of "end of line" < 1363855865 819516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting that I did a proper quit, what I actually did was send SIGKILL... < 1363855873 283943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my program is a total jerk with its alternating decoys < 1363855879 354994 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the sigterm went through and did something < 1363855893 394503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what they're called < 1363855921 945939 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can translate that program into a form my evolver understands < 1363855927 517946 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To find the true optimum ;P < 1363855953 669157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kinda doing a greedy search with jumping < 1363855956 680372 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... by hand I guess <.< < 1363855989 287330 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out why the "-.-.-." sequence is so critical < 1363855997 702243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I touch that, even dropping the last ., it massively drops in score < 1363856016 145705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you seen egojsout? < 1363856020 444693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very useful for "debugging" this kind of stuff < 1363856024 384847 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is interesting < 1363856028 293361 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, that's what I was looking for < 1363856028 975683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojsout? @_@ < 1363856041 334678 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/index.php < 1363856043 291458 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few programs in my population retain the gene responsible for >stuff< patterns < 1363856056 704940 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I got speciation actually /working right/ < 1363856058 944962 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be useful >_< < 1363856064 875156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Also, compare the breakdown.txts from with the . and without < 1363856078 284231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1363856087 64936 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It might just be a subtle timing thing that happens to work well against some high-score programs < 1363856131 299610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the output of that thing mean? < 1363856136 195749 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a bunch of <>>>>>>>>>>> < 1363856183 108430 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh it's the different tests < 1363856186 274588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> tells you which program won, I'm not sure which is which < 1363856192 345009 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust combination http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-7980-9368.bfjoust < 1363856195 995030 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_combination: 6.9 < 1363856196 286352 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's many of them because it's for each polarity and tape length < 1363856209 235060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polarity = swapping + and - or not < 1363856224 216356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, mine beats space hotel on a few smaller tape sizes < 1363856244 555196 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's typical with the big lock-type programs (not that I know whether space_hotel is such) < 1363856264 665124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: the polarity where + adds is sieve. the polarity where - adds is kettle. < 1363856265 598847 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They take some time to set up their stuff so they lose to fast rushers < 1363856283 15104 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going to say "I think elliott made up some stupid names for them" but I figured you'd just tell them anyway < 1363856287 713278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oooh it reverses those < 1363856305 295136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you're saying you have better names????? < 1363856366 15833 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ISTR "positive" and "negative" even having been in use for some time before you decided to push through this INTERCAL-esque naming scheme < 1363856366 223507 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive and negative < 1363856388 243210 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in agreement then~ < 1363856413 69861 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care since one doesn't usually talk about them < 1363856458 795529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IIRC I invented the names right as the polarity thing was first mentioned < 1363856464 15146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly I even first mentionedi t? < 1363856487 724670 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, maybe I just heard about them later < 1363856504 664095 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because everyone was using positive/negative despite your protests < 1363856509 971185 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... wow, space hotel is a jerk < 1363856515 584894 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs back to defend its flag < 1363856526 34142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a meaniepants, actually trying to stop me :< < 1363856527 874504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You can see everybody's source at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ btw < 1363856540 190606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_hotel seems to be the biggest < 1363856557 323194 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : .>+<[activation = 0.0000 + 1.0000*a = 0.0000 + 1.0000*b = 0.0000 + 1.0000*c]--..>+ < 1363856574 513957 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hasn't anybody made a proper front page for this that links to everything useful :-P < 1363856579 383923 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this means it's chosen to make a rush? < 1363856654 864104 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363856661 673464 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speciation went crazy again < 1363856662 263324 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1363856669 170633 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew how to fix it.. < 1363856817 35635 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust its-not-a-vibrator!!! .>+<[.>+<[.>+<[.>+<[.>+<[]--..>+]--..>+].>+<[]--..>+--..>+].>+<[.>+<[]--..>+]--..>+--..>+].>+<[.>+<[.>+<[]--..>+]--..>+].>+<[]--..>+--..>+--..>+ < 1363856821 254474 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_its-not-a-vibrator___: 5.6 < 1363856873 645763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a funny, in X you can XStoreName (set the window title) someone else's window. < 1363856932 564383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you can also just log every key right < 1363856933 657273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's security < 1363857008 662735 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is -*3 not the same as (-)*3? < 1363857055 944456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*3 isn't valid, I don't think < 1363857059 150140 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363857169 85781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :* needs the parentheses. < 1363857175 294989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As does %, for that matter.) < 1363857179 419860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does % do? < 1363857190 515080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a{b}c)%n is like (a)*nb(c)*n < 1363857192 24257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with nesting < 1363857205 434475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a[b{c}d]e)%3 = a[ba[ba[bcd]ed]ed]e < 1363857208 888784 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. < 1363857213 116381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, that's really nice < 1363857216 815562 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My evolutionary algorithm is smarter than me... < 1363857223 895338 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty genes caused 1.0/0.0 < 1363857225 874163 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is NaN... < 1363857233 404904 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which caused an explosion of species and exponential empty genes < 1363857234 93899 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1363857281 349322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (a[b)*3c(d]e)*3 isn't legal, IIRC, even though it technically could be. < 1363857434 284221 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1363857445 144288 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "-.+" motif is appearing way too commonly to be a coincidence < 1363857465 194509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibrator (-.+.)*-1 < 1363857485 504157 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_vibrator: 6.3 < 1363857503 463983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people did that originally which was why % was added < 1363857589 216555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363858152 396332 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the maximum possible score for a bot? < 1363858160 704349 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :program* < 1363858162 695301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1363858339 165605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100, theoretically < 1363858440 575042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The technical term is "enemy combatant", I think. < 1363859076 750848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo >---->++++++>---->---->+++>--->--->+++>-[-[-(<)*9(+)*50(>)*9(>[-[-[+++[+[---[-.-.-.]]]]]]--)*-1]](>[-[-[+++[+[---[-.-.-.]]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363859080 250335 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best I found :< < 1363859081 226147 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 34.9 < 1363859151 30491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why space hotel is so good, there's a lot of control flow things that it feels like I could only do with massive crazy manual code duplication < 1363859227 97594 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust only-loses-5-cases-versus-omnipotence http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-23235-29652.bfjoust < 1363859236 5763 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_only-loses-5-cases-versus-omnipotence: 17.4 < 1363859246 316907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1363859269 908076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, wow :o < 1363859274 977835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool. < 1363859292 263337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries it against hers. < 1363859315 245703 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1363859328 105471 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Targeted "beat this program" works well >_> < 1363859366 445808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... mine got a lot better when I fixed my off by one error ~_~ < 1363859372 915236 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always losing on tape length 10 < 1363859375 128663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust timestopping-mahou-shoujo >---->++++++>---->---->+++>--->--->-[-[-(<)*8(+)*50(>)*8(>[-[-[+++[+[---[-.-.-.]]]]]]--)*-1]](>[-[-[+++[+[---[-.-.-.]]]]]]--)*-1 < 1363859378 745531 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Fiora_timestopping-mahou-shoujo: 37.6 < 1363859395 843959 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm number 10~~~ < 1363859399 196209 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1363859446 640601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow. to beat the top one with a generated program O_O < 1363859480 6875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for any BF Joust program p you can compute ~p that always wins against p < 1363859484 485189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though of course I have no idea how to construct it < 1363859566 395782 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can actually compute ~p < 1363859575 535470 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With something other than an exaustive search < 1363859585 135457 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be shocked < 1363859626 815526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compute it with the same "graduate student algorithm" that's used for fractal compression. < 1363859632 315919 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. mine beats omnipotence every time (?????) < 1363859658 30268 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does omnipotence suffer the problem of being tuned entirely to beat other ones on the list? <.< < 1363859669 463690 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1363859734 670638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. what's the difference between points and score? < 1363859766 536258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points are wins - losses. < 1363859767 275571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be shocked... mumble mumble symmetry < 1363859771 216533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score is the weighted sum. < 1363859777 121008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course ~p will be highly specialised. < 1363859787 815693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it'll probably suck against all things that aren't p, and even slightly-modified ~p < 1363859790 485471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do see http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES for details, it's not terribly complicated. < 1363859794 596584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a sense you just have to mimic the opposite of what p is doing. < 1363859802 251505 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1363859803 296985 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose < 1363859816 456180 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since programs tend to be deterministic... < 1363859835 777468 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to do a backtracking search of the action pattern you "want" to beat the other bot, or something. < 1363859853 499922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh. so mine has a high score because it beats some relatively good programs, like omnipotence < 1363859858 611014 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you can do that accounting for all tape lengths. < 1363859859 993417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has low points because it doesn't really win that often overall < 1363859884 351628 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that accounting for two different program's actions, right? < 1363859902 146680 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you can compute ~p reasonably, you should be able to compute ~(p|q) just as well? < 1363859926 216285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds harder. < 1363859933 615693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ~(p|q) doesn't know whether it's competing against p or q < 1363859937 15208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably at least you could start by just having the heuristic being to beat both instead of one? I mean it's harder, but < 1363859951 787002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ~p, the trick is that it always knows what it's going to happen (for a given tape length/polarity) < 1363859959 455470 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is < 1363859960 495543 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ~p < 1363859967 645561 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still have all tape lengths and polarities to deal with < 1363859967 932448 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you were truly terrible you could have a crazy program that knew exactly how the other programs would work and narrowed it down bit by bit as it gained information < 1363859972 521372 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can beat all of them for an arbitary program < 1363859976 278294 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but I'd imagine that being. like. megabytes long <.< < 1363859980 406679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very easy if you restrict it to one tape length/polarity, I think < 1363859984 945554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you know the exact steps p is going to take < 1363859989 236029 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1363859999 247705 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can solve it for all tape lengths and priorities < 1363860004 747758 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way that adds uncertainty is pretty cool < 1363860005 95649 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can solve it for an arbitary number of programs, I think < 1363860033 739005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, even the algorithm for a single tape length/polarity would be interesting < 1363860046 267290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just rush to it and decrease the flag, because what if it defends the flag? < 1363860052 637169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you counter that, what if it clears yours first? etc. < 1363860064 25886 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you only need two modes < 1363860077 459842 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Touches their flag" and "Touches your flag" < 1363860133 477155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program can also go blind if it touches its own flag too much. < 1363860155 175560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a fixed length and polarity it almost feels like a game of chicken < 1363860169 639657 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who will stop defending their flag first" or so on < 1363860237 993518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you can do some sort of diagonalisation argument that you can't even do ~p for a given tape length or polarity, because there will always be a program that its strategy cannot counter < 1363860327 316243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that feels right... from like, an information argument if you know your opponent's program, you know a lot more than it does about yours < 1363860331 470899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with all this activity, updated http://zem.fi/egostats/ too. < 1363860339 948823 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you know some program p you should always be able to design something that beats that one program < 1363860344 821228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that program doesn't know yours < 1363860362 895019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's actually the opposite of what I just said :P < 1363860366 886738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree the information argument is compelling < 1363860371 492621 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, then I totally misunderstood >_< < 1363860398 575806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you can construct this ~p for a single tape length/polarity; my previous line was doubting that < 1363860410 615231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh. the statistics are really cool. < 1363860434 288199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heatmap clustering plot puts only-loses-5-cases-versus-omnipotence really close to ais523_vibration. < 1363860451 866907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, that you might be able to show for any negating-machine p -> ~p that there is some q such that the ~q its rules produce cannot possibly beat q (because of the nature of its rules), hence contradiction the machine doesn't exist < 1363860459 96828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know at this point. someone should try and write it. < 1363860480 409180 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the color bar scale is logarithmic...? but 10^64 cycles kind of sounds like a lot < 1363860501 646543 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "Red indicates a win, blue a loss"? What nonsense colouring logic is this < 1363860505 335813 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dammit ^ < 1363860507 445682 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Ignore < 1363860516 928458 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namespace collision XD < 1363860532 255462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nevermind, wrong chart >_< < 1363860539 346028 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363860555 776229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that someone should be Fiora. or Deewiant. < 1363860567 58187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, um. EgoBot. < 1363860571 67593 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it's an evolved program. < 1363860576 255730 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, at a glance, it's very obviously a vibrator itself < 1363860584 605838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a vibrator? < 1363860590 967435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Where's 10^64? The general duel length plot's colorbar goes up to 10^6.6 or so. < 1363860595 256001 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-23235-29652.bfjoust < 1363860611 174340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: RED is POWERFUL. < 1363860618 246293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it very hard not to make stupid jokes with the "vibrator" terminology and also kind of hates himself for this < 1363860626 805795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (I don't know.) < 1363860642 326672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: vibrator is http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#Vibrator < 1363860646 169107 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry, I misread the chart >_< < 1363860666 336037 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For the hardness, the joke, or the terminology's origin or something < 1363860681 440060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh. vibrators try to make the opponent commit suicide < 1363860683 305520 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is evil < 1363860724 315901 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a hard joke to make < 1363860740 51435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, I couldn't really think of a better way to say it <_> < 1363860765 689560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: is "all of the above" an option. < 1363860770 170496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, (>++>-->-->++)*2((+)*6<(-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(-)*42>(-)*46>(+)*48)*2>>>(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 was champion in 2013? < 1363860771 186212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure < 1363860772 976805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 2012 < 1363860774 815699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's refreshingly simple < 1363860782 690802 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (>++>-->-->++)*2((+)*6<(-)*6<(-)*5<(+)*5<)*2--(>(+)*50>(-)*42>(-)*46>(+)*48)*2>>>(([----[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[+[(+)*38[-][+][+--]]>{}]>]]]]]]]]>)%21)*21 < 1363860783 887202 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363860786 586066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape heatmap stuff is perhaps most discriminative of them statistics. Like in the top-7 plot there's some real differences there. < 1363860790 427120 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that still in the hill? < 1363860794 162699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect so < 1363860796 605810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is leviathan < 1363860865 425743 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363860940 414120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Your evolved program seems to be particularly sensitive to tape lengths, at least based on http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_p8_pscores.png -- normally it's not quite that... patterned. (Though sometimes it is.) < 1363860956 836687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no. fizzie should figure out the ~p for a single tape length & polarity thing. < 1363860978 376797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooo. < 1363860979 535814 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's not unexpected. < 1363860984 556227 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's primary motif seems to be < 1363860985 666783 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.-. < 1363860989 117191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I guess the question is just "is there an execution trail that beats a given execution trail" < 1363861000 337290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will never need to use control structures or anything < 1363861006 18082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the answer to that question is yes obviously < 1363861009 26328 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will need a potentially exponential search < 1363861013 675823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's trivial. so fizzie should do it. < 1363861039 665798 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, programs can only switch on zero/non-zero, right? < 1363861042 935948 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be abusable < 1363861051 315506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363861065 587637 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. < 1363861069 247882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "execution trail" doesn't quite catch it because you can cause the program to change its control flow as you point out < 1363861072 555986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1363861072 776340 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a tape length where one cannot possibly place decoys, right? < 1363861094 496662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ┌─┐ < 1363861094 704330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ┴─┴ < 1363861094 704408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ಠ_ರೃ < 1363861098 676687 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott. < 1363861105 110529 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At tape length, uh, 10, you cannot possibly place decoys, right? < 1363861109 626777 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there a shorter one like that < 1363861115 606594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can do decoys if you want < 1363861122 616062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I doubt they'll be super effective < 1363861130 156565 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly place decoys that the enemy can't just skip over :p < 1363861131 811255 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if < 1363861133 606795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess a few helps still < 1363861137 283571 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot used decoy < 1363861141 898854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super effective! < 1363861147 566499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia's algorithm fainted < 1363861162 881427 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<)*8-[-[(>*8)decoy algorithm](>*8)non-decoy algorithm] < 1363861167 486189 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that would work well < 1363861171 636430 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1363861175 47247 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switch decoy and non-decoy < 1363861188 66772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything starting with (<)*8 doesn't sound super effective. < 1363861199 696093 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be (<)*9 instead? < 1363861212 566002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything starting with an unconditional < doesn't sound super effective at all, I mean. < 1363861226 169753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opponent is > that way. < 1363861231 906260 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... < 1363861236 55990 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bad :p < 1363861241 156346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have wrapping tapes < 1363861243 86322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong?? < 1363861251 126627 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*8-[-[(<*8)non-decoy algorithm](<*8)decoy algorithm] < 1363861258 369556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ps here's a supply of ts to write my name with: tttttttt :( < 1363861261 849881 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I originally (wrongly) interpreted the rules was you started halfway apart < 1363861265 973987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wrapped < 1363861269 925901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current hill on a wrapping tape might be an interesting curiosity. < 1363861271 121895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorrryyyyy ._. < 1363861272 295976 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, not that... < 1363861281 791959 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting the Ts and they're only one point anyways < 1363861300 797928 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*8[-[(<*8)algorithm]]-(<*8)algorithm < 1363861319 488385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i's ok. bu now i have o live wihou ha leer for a week < 1363861340 96600 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the shortest tape length, it'll find the flag, and possibly be able to respond to that. < 1363861344 976625 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it leaves a small decoy and.. hmm... < 1363861351 907139 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try it, I guess! < 1363861393 146499 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (>)*8[-[(<)*8[+-.-+]]](-)*4(<)*8[+-.-+>>+<-<] < 1363861399 909954 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 1.2 < 1363861410 446293 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (>)*9[-[(<)*9[+-.-+]]](-)*4(<)*9[+-.-+>>+<-<] < 1363861416 262439 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 1.4 < 1363861430 889800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that result seems unambiguous < 1363861435 56255 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (>)*9[-[(<)*9[[+-.-+]+-.-+]]](-)*4(<)*9[[+-.-+>>+<-<]+] < 1363861440 826805 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 0.8 < 1363861444 76098 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, "no" :p < 1363861471 346150 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (>)*8[-[(<)*8(+-.-+.)*-1]](-)*8(<)*8(+-.-+.>+<)*-1 < 1363861477 927509 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 2.7 < 1363861494 996571 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment (>)*8[-[(<)*8(+--+)*-1]](-)*8(<)*8(+--+)*-1 < 1363861499 756127 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment: 3.1 < 1363861501 937270 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete inviable. Right. < 1363861552 170963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott back his extra Ts < 1363861567 17071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need them, my name doesn't have a T! < 1363861579 968310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotttta make tthe mostt of tthese < 1363861587 146378 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment2 (>)* 8(-)*20(<)* 8(+)*20 (>)* 9(-)*20(<)* 9(+)*20 (>)*10(-)*20(<)*10(+)*20 (>)*11(-)*20(<)*11(+)*20 (>)*12(-)*20(<)*12(+)*20 (>)*13(-)*20(<)*13(+)*20 (>)*14(-)*20(<)*14(+)*20 (>)*15(-)*20(<)*15(+)*20 (>)*16(-)*20(<)*16(+)*20 (>)*17(-)*20(<)*17(+)*20 (>)*18(-)*20(<)*18(+)*20 (>)*19(-)*20(<)*19(+)*20 (>)*20(-)*20(<)*20(+)*20 < 1363861591 489110 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment2: 5.4 < 1363861597 317236 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait < 1363861599 446400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorat < 1363861647 362559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t has this sharp hard sound, it doesn't fit well :< < 1363861677 346899 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment2 (>)* 8(-)*20(<)* 8[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)* 9(-)*20(<)* 9[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*10(-)*20(<)*10[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*11(-)*20(<)*11[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*12(-)*20(<)*12[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*13(-)*20(<)*13[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*14(-)*20(<)*14[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*15(-)*20(<)*15[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*16(-)*20(<)*16[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*17(-)*20(<)*17[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*18(-)*20(<)*18[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] (>)*19(-)*20(<)*19[(.+)*2 < 1363861677 555068 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(.+)*128]] (>)*20(-)*20(<)*20[(.+)*2[(.+)*128]] < 1363861678 986300 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1363861680 647571 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment2: 0.0 < 1363861699 7564 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust experiment2 http://files.lymiahugs.com/experiment2.bfjoust < 1363861706 346762 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_experiment2: 9.2 < 1363861948 748612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's like 3 AM < 1363861959 415737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf jousting is kind of fun < 1363861998 916374 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust reachbehind (>)*4(+)*10>(-)*10(>)*3(-[-[++>>--<<+>>>--<<<+++++>--<]])*-1 < 1363862007 616395 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_reachbehind: 1.0 < 1363862059 416765 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust reachbehind (>)*4(+)*10>(-)*10(>)*3(-[-[+++++[>--<+]++>[>++<-]<+>>[>--<+]<<]])*-1 < 1363862070 761475 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_reachbehind: 2.1 < 1363862096 516445 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have source and/or binary available for that thing? < 1363862117 86587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which thing? < 1363862121 668116 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stats thing < 1363862153 23127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "vis" subdirectory in http://git.zem.fi/chainlance/tree but it can be kind of messy to run. < 1363862161 16933 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363862169 626756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I might not have pushed the very latest, incl. that heatmap stuff < 1363862186 837230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think you'll find it's actually 10 am :( < 1363862222 36890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is a true, it's not quite currant. And it lacks documentation. < 1363862263 791061 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you push the heatmaps? :p < 1363862338 982325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry for being in california :< < 1363862339 977238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could see if I fail at git again, yes. < 1363862377 718141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I agree, everyone whose timezone means they are up at a less ridiculous hour than me must apologise < 1363862386 436429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only polite. < 1363862425 395063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 AM isn't ridiculous is it? < 1363862473 806804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I think I did it right. < 1363862492 50606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it is if you woke up the previous day < 1363862500 897032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also incredibly slow. < 1363862506 258070 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can actually say something negative about that < 1363862517 741542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like, the few times in my life I've been totally free of day obligations like work and school and things < 1363862522 793639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep schedule naturally reverted to basically that < 1363862535 869122 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably out of instinctual fear of the sun < 1363862536 637170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I should have gone to bed hours ago. < 1363862541 106623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am terrible. < 1363862541 896828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too <.< < 1363862545 306097 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also terrible < 1363862579 467559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super great how I can only get anything done when it's dark and quiet at night but I feel like crap if I wake up in the dark < 1363862653 81778 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of feel the same way, I wish I could spend all day alone and quiet in the dark < 1363862833 856955 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it was quiet in the day < 1363862888 260625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use big dorky-looking closed ear headphones at work but it's still not perfect < 1363862895 321041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they kind of mess up my hair <.< < 1363862949 427278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get two eyepatches and use them at work too, maybe it'll be dark. < 1363862965 37136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the height of fashion. < 1363863036 157518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, something tells me systemd-journal is not supposed to be taking 99% of my CPU. < 1363863041 647444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that 101.2% < 1363863082 792855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to be able to see a screen < 1363863089 649797 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and inside it's not too bad ,I mean, at least there isn't any sun < 1363863099 394559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a screen on your eyepatches. < 1363863107 776924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be like virtual reality. the future < 1363863171 808055 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff < 1363863310 533201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that note a warm blanket sounds good right now... I think it's sleep time < 1363863361 927177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you americans and your still having nighttime to sleep in. < 1363863444 168314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help I thought I knew git. if git diff --cached foo gives me changes and I don't want them how do I stop that happening. < 1363863449 477157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried git checkout foo and then git add foo but nothing. < 1363863452 737582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant may also reply. < 1363863457 427132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else is forbidden. < 1363863483 299538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wanders over to a warm fluffy spot filled with plushies and pillows and dreams < 1363863502 587774 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: git reset < 1363863510 330355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: one day I will sit on my throne of discontent and outlaw sleep. < 1363863517 707366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363863523 735133 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: E.g. git reset -p is the opposite of git add -p < 1363863525 581958 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you make it so I'm never tired okay < 1363863534 287897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cure my constant sleepiness < 1363863542 17109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, git reset works. but then i need to git checkout . < 1363863618 877125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want to revert the file contents as well, git reset --hard. < 1363863623 357879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1363863626 428054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obvious in retrospect. < 1363863640 397380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363863765 997043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan. you have a fun mathematical puzzle in the logs that is now assigned to you. < 1363863786 78759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAA < 1363863798 518083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: fatal: Cannot do hard reset with paths. < 1363863801 287199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i would like a refund < 1363863814 297852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1363863822 768691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dang < 1363863829 197249 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/relcome: 2: colourise: not found < 1363863844 567644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/col* < 1363863847 62784 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/col*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/col*: No such file or directory < 1363863863 277446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Spelling issues made it into "rainbow", I think. < 1363863868 101165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, oerjan^ < 1363863875 217109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1363863880 7532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo does it exist | rainbow < 1363863885 717730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0602d09o08e14s14 i13t02 e04x09i06s05t13 < 1363863892 367264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/rain* < 1363863894 679297 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/rainbow \ bin/rainwords < 1363863914 447515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep colo bin/* < 1363863921 57363 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't checkout also touch the index? < 1363863921 507931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file bin/lua matches \ Binary file bin/luac matches \ bin/relcome:welcome "$@" | colourise \ Binary file bin/tclkit matches \ Binary file bin/units matches < 1363863927 128181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it didn't seem to < 1363863928 926858 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I.e. just do git checkout, possibly with --force if it complains < 1363863940 287793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just "worked" and git diff --cached still the thing. < 1363863942 137223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a thing. < 1363863959 968596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/colo.?ri.e/rainbow/' bin/relcome < 1363863962 607198 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363863965 827961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1363863968 484909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/relcome: 2: colourise: not found < 1363863973 550514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363863981 607458 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then you have to run two commands I guess :-P < 1363863992 918253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/relcome < 1363863993 747582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /g < 1363863995 97672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | colourise < 1363864013 897222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : /g is irrelevant... < 1363864032 229954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh probably the ? < 1363864034 207427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sed. < 1363864041 517938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/colo.?rise/rainbow/' bin/relcome < 1363864044 218893 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363864045 777316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1363864050 47335 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/relcome: 2: colourise: not found < 1363864053 381055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said the ?. < 1363864061 332502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363864067 687211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need to escape the ? in order for it to be special. < 1363864069 287081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/colo.rise/rainbow/' bin/relcome < 1363864074 797630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363864077 897577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid fingers < 1363864079 635145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1363864083 128272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12We12lco13me 13to the inte10rnationa08l h05ub for12 esot14er09ic programmi09ng 06languag11e design and deplo02yment13! 12For mor10e information, check o08ut our 11wiki: http10:/14/esolangs.or04g/wiki14/Ma04in_Page. (For08 the09 o14ther kind of 07esoterica, 12try #esot08eric on irc.d06al.14n14et.) < 1363864087 307958 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :05M12y 05e06y13e11s < 1363864116 337676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is well with the #esoteric world again, although someone _still_ needs a couple dozen swats < 1363864243 358216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we need to adapt wikipedia's "no more than 3 reverts rule" hth < 1363864279 168827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly also adopt < 1363864294 987727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adapt to something to adopt. < 1363864390 27978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes colourise | sed '1s/colo.?ri.e/rainbow/;2{s/colo.\?ri.e/rainbow/;q}' # I made the example all up, I'll be gosh-darned if I'm going to waste it. < 1363864391 907374 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :colourise \ rainbow < 1363864838 758444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just had a fantastic evil idea. imagine extending haskell patterns like so (to define fromJust): < 1363864843 697570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just (fromJust x) = x < 1363864867 918958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence, fromJust x = let Just y = x in y) < 1363864903 808947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fst p, snd p) = p < 1363864974 683628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe that one is too far, since you get the multiple occurrences of a single variable thing that patterns otherwise avoid. < 1363865019 798184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a pattern variable of the outer pattern though... < 1363865048 938670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of _why_ it is evil. < 1363865055 978617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're /defending/ my notation? < 1363865070 8534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling it evil is defending it? < 1363865073 491095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left (fromLeft x) = x, of course. < 1363865088 735501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, what if you define two? < 1363865093 709814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left (monoEither x) = x < 1363865096 8462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right (monoEither x) = x < 1363865100 788167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then monoEither :: Either a a -> a < 1363865108 808777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that... make sense? < 1363865118 998722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much. < 1363865123 209017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess then Left (monoEither (Right 123)) = Right 123 doesn't hold. < 1363865127 740421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't quite work. < 1363865159 298619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1363865181 439003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you heard ski's wacky lambda patterns? < 1363865185 207791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\exp -> pat) < 1363865198 357695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (\42 -> Just x) = x < 1363865201 357997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ = "abc" < 1363865202 557759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1363865209 977696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f g = case g 42 of Just x -> x; _ -> "abc" < 1363865305 758201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1363865326 935218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\42 -> f x = x < 1363865330 87833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that means. < 1363865357 235871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = let \42 -> y = x in y < 1363865369 40197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = let y = x 42 in y < 1363865371 925969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = x 42 < 1363865377 328321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1363865379 829304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\42 -> x 42 = x < 1363865384 942183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sure that makes sense. of a kind. < 1363865395 158902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess: < 1363865401 238209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> f g x = x < 1363865403 466749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even makes sense. < 1363865404 329581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1363865407 689439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> f $ x = x < 1363865417 729759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defines < 1363865422 839700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need to check that those things are confluent. < 1363865440 158044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) f = let \x -> g x = f in g < 1363865444 671184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) f = let \x -> g x = f in g < 1363865445 569459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363865446 454236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1363865448 409647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something. < 1363865454 142481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it should make some kind of sense. < 1363865455 598534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i actually meant < 1363865459 88320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x -> f $ x = f < 1363865462 128063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would define ($). < 1363865508 17760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFLUENCE I SAY < 1363865519 918635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more like conphooeyence. < 1363865526 847984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes the BF Joust problem :P < 1363865533 968756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, that you cannot end up with something different by applying your rewritings in a different order) < 1363865548 749833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i've not got to it... the logs are bloody long, you know? < 1363865567 241112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was kidding. < 1363865569 283837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we love you oerjan. < 1363865573 987944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1363865597 558187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that so sweet, maybe i won't kill you all when i become world dictator < 1363865601 308319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that's < 1363865689 428135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/egojsout.js.patch.txt. < 1363865700 217957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that the PLT contains executable code <-- the patent law treaty? wow. < 1363865824 135359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have absolutely no idea at all. < 1363865833 506617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sure it has nothing to do with me, despite being in my public_hmtl. < 1363865844 683479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I found your telephone number by removing some of the letters in the link! < 1363865872 116809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately it's just my work phone. < 1363865879 108179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just egojsout becoming self-aware and attempting to break its chains. i can confidently say this even without visiting the link. < 1363865884 768065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I forget everywhere and it never rings. < 1363865916 498716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I cliked on the "Speech Group" link and saw your 2012 group photo. it's weird, you all look really convinced that you're actually people & speech recognition isn't a massive waste of everybody's time. what a life it must be, to be finnish. < 1363865919 183720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so exciting! you can get to talk to whoever found fizzie's work phone! < 1363865930 758248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh boy, a real life random finn! < 1363865935 338337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask them what they think of speech recognition. < 1363865977 599223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, right, there's the group photo. < 1363865984 903601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but will google be able to turn that back into understandable english? < 1363865993 849195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there is a reasonably recent photo of me. < 1363866019 735964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how your picture on the actual speech group page is just a 404. < 1363866035 768035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I never got around to getting anything there. < 1363866040 666051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to play "guess the fizzie" but it was too obvious. :( < 1363866054 878429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a process of elimination by removing the people who do have photos. < 1363866069 358841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page is outdated anyway, we're in the process of moving to a different department. < 1363866069 567497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cheated by already knowing what you look like. < 1363866100 98849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, they speak finnish in finland? < 1363866107 269648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... explains a lot of things, actually. < 1363866165 818514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just have to find out which one in the picture is fizzie. we can probably eliminate the women and those who have pictures on the previous page. < 1363866170 638347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the original topic, maybe I was adding some statistics? < 1363866188 488216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That will eliminate Ulpu twice. < 1363866229 838303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andre is not in the group photo, so it's somewhat hard to eliminate him from it. < 1363866236 718282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall carefully use a set rather than bag operation, then. < 1363866290 389178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have gender in finland? < 1363866305 968733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you can call it that." < 1363866344 201280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was hoping to play "guess the fizzie" but it was too obvious. :( <-- wait, obvious? < 1363866365 958767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. it's the one that looks like fizzie. < 1363866398 798632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1363866431 799593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shock the fizzie and win." < 1363866445 249219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can also eliminate that guy in the lower left, he looks too young. < 1363866471 429838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that probably means, with my luck, that is him) < 1363866504 809122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not me, I'm never that happy. < 1363866513 569193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that guy in the middle, he looks too scary. < 1363866535 68938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that no. 2 from upper right doesn't look finnish. < 1363866571 58536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By the "too scary" guy, did you mean http://users.ics.aalto.fi/svirpioj/ ? < 1363866596 288883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey, you omitted the space after that ? < 1363866599 609096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am proud of you. < 1363866602 38777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sort of shared by our group and the cog group, so he's not in the list; but he's got a picture. < 1363866602 369587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be him. < 1363866606 685837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it crept to the left of it. < 1363866626 689686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I like Email: < 1363866626 897694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstname.lastname@aalto.fi < 1363866637 670785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes name to Firstname Lastname < 1363866671 125147 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363866675 48528 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll never see that coming. < 1363866680 799217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number two from the left has left the group. < 1363866695 958323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh wait, by your "never that happy" comment you must be the farthest right one < 1363866716 469387 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how to write a good BF Joust implementation in Haskell < 1363866750 16288 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me, it seems sensible to expand braces et al. at the last moment < 1363866751 159233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Congratulations! < 1363866757 619174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1363866763 878783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you don't want to expand them at _all_ < 1363866766 509472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also by "number two from left" I mean right.) < 1363866769 129599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will cause massive blowup for modern programs < 1363866807 719591 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll want to create threaded code using tail calls < 1363866936 310582 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can expand them into a list < 1363866944 658914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this expands them across time < 1363866952 591598 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :because haskell is alien technology < 1363866954 949195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : They'll never see that coming. <-- you just _know_ that somewhere there's a guy (other than elliott) named Firstname. < 1363867053 152285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many websites he won't be able to sign up at with his name < 1363867117 888767 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the moral is, if you're Taneb, don't bother writing BF Joust implementations < 1363867149 489019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i think on principle a speech recognition group should be more careful with the spelling on their english web pages. < 1363867155 360237 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might be better off getting his name changed to Admin. < 1363867175 18646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might be trying to thwart competition from the text processing group < 1363867180 965274 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363867215 539986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: we (well, maybe i) extensively discussed how to implement the current BF Joust brackets effectively before < 1363867267 258956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to do this to explain how ({}) with nesting between ( and { could possibly work < 1363867268 838625 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363867279 838782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps we've dictated them. < 1363867294 859183 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll try to find that tonight < 1363867301 459185 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you remember roughly when it was? < 1363867307 789701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not sure that that feature is used much though) < 1363867327 89168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not really < 1363867363 669282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "New web pages" are on the to-do list, I think. < 1363867399 262858 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a completely different note < 1363867406 411541 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust overthinking ([)*-1(])*-1 < 1363867410 548919 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_overthinking: 3.7 < 1363867410 919455 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been reading a book about web standards from 2002 < 1363867437 649110 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust - < 1363867438 535071 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363867444 388446 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wha - < 1363867452 888690 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_wha: 3.7 < 1363867465 118661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've expected a zero for overthinking. < 1363867483 959335 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a bit describing the internet of the 90's I've heard about < 1363867494 248795 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bit predicting the internet of the late 00's < 1363867510 778953 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's all "XHTML 1.0 Transitional is the way to go!" < 1363867515 681026 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Or maybe Flash!" < 1363867532 849814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonsense ([)*1000(])*1001 < 1363867539 146548 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_nonsense: 3.7 < 1363867544 83729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1363867571 439099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't parsing problems automatic zeros? < 1363867616 498806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonsense ([{}])%1000 < 1363867620 478862 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_nonsense: 3.7 < 1363867636 749299 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust who [ < 1363867640 39581 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_who: 0.0 < 1363867644 468935 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lostinthought ([ { (>)*9 ([-.]>)*21 } ])%-1 < 1363867648 964751 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_lostinthought: 3.7 < 1363867661 128733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonsense [[[]]]] < 1363867664 294597 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_nonsense: 0.0 < 1363867671 576786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonsense ([)*3(])*4 < 1363867675 389882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_nonsense: 3.7 < 1363867683 698676 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lostinthought2 ([ { (>)*9 ([-.]>)*21 } ])%100 < 1363867683 907478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of strange. < 1363867687 168829 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_lostinthought2: 13.0 < 1363867725 610980 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever happened to XHTML 2.0 < 1363867727 564758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust moresense ([)*4(])*3 < 1363867733 128896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it parses that ([)*3(])*4: have to check at home. < 1363867734 832274 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_moresense: 3.7 < 1363867801 949364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though it would've been illegal for any [] mismatch within a (), no matter whether it makes sense "globally" or not. < 1363867812 490537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the idea < 1363867831 469390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get efficient implementation. < 1363867860 728938 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1363867879 158882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably parses it as something else. < 1363867886 919561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can always just expand it textually, just not efficiently < 1363867895 8802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lessense ()*4()*3 < 1363867897 939964 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_lessense: 3.7 < 1363867901 495202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to guess: that. < 1363867921 808820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evenmore [ < 1363867925 59388 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_evenmore: 0.0 < 1363867931 78647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust evenmore ([)*1 < 1363867935 859804 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_evenmore: 0.0 < 1363867943 769245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1363867945 449996 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dont_rush_to_conclusions ([)*4 (>)*9 ([-]>)*21 (])*4 < 1363867949 629619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dont_rush_to_conclusions: 14.7 < 1363867953 79149 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust who_knows ([)*0 < 1363867955 763344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust empty < 1363867956 56372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363867959 400164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust empty . < 1363867959 932896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does do some "static" matching. < 1363867965 810375 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_who_knows: 3.7 < 1363867967 88834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that is my hypothesis as to the parsing. note 3.7 < 1363867971 919483 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for elliott_empty: 3.5 < 1363867976 979570 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1363867984 760775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, you get 3.7 out of many things. < 1363868007 910220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Essentially empty" things. < 1363868008 121240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I think you will find that there are only 3.7 things in the universe. < 1363868027 419597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy trinity and a bit, elliott! < 1363868050 119850 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dont_jump_to_conclusions ([)*4 (>)*9 (>[>[-].])*21 ]]]] < 1363868053 400902 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dont_jump_to_conclusions: 0.0 < 1363868058 938788 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerdick Grayhansson < 1363868085 98914 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1363868109 768992 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dont_jump_to_conclusions ([)*4 (>)*9 (>[>[-].])*21 (])*4 < 1363868112 969507 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dont_jump_to_conclusions: 5.3 < 1363868133 660642 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be hilarious if we, doing this, ended up at the top of the hill < 1363868156 249182 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's hard to be at the top of the hill if you don't get any points. < 1363868286 125712 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dont_jump_to_conclusions ([)*4 (>)*9 (>[(>[-].)*20])*21 (])*4 < 1363868289 551209 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dont_jump_to_conclusions: 5.2 < 1363868362 635553 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dont_jump_to_conclusions ([)*4 (>)*8 (>[(>[-].)*20])*21 (])*2 (])*2 < 1363868366 571983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_dont_jump_to_conclusions: 0.0 < 1363868386 929642 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust yaaaaaaaa (>)*9([-]>)*30 < 1363868393 182946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_yaaaaaaaa: 14.6 < 1363868434 99219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, good score < 1363868491 28972 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's early in the morning, haven't finished my first coffee yet, and the only strategy I can think of right now is a kamikaze attack. < 1363868518 559618 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*9((-)*128[-].>)*21 < 1363868522 790844 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 8.3 < 1363868529 300526 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1363868532 953721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised i visualise boily as looking identical to fizzie < 1363868551 70610 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*9(>(-)*128[-].)*21 < 1363868561 649228 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>(-)*37>([-.]>)*30 < 1363868566 914912 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 7.0 < 1363868568 471355 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 18.8 < 1363868573 479483 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363868581 869733 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's my best BF Joust program ever < 1363868595 459671 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*9(>[-])*21 < 1363868599 921877 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 12.8 < 1363868613 278422 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*10([-]>)*20 < 1363868616 830500 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 12.8 < 1363868621 989351 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*11([-]>)*19 < 1363868632 21835 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 11.1 < 1363868636 799292 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feeling_lucky (>)*12([-]>)*18 < 1363868641 102857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_feeling_lucky: 9.7 < 1363868641 659516 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have black hair, and a tendency to wear orange t-shirts on fridays? < 1363868642 919393 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that doesn't work < 1363868657 437332 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>([-.]>)*30 < 1363868666 289420 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 18.5 < 1363868727 139281 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>([-].>)*30 < 1363868730 180459 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 15.9 < 1363868836 530304 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(-)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(+)*31>(+)*37>([-.]>)*30 < 1363868839 899449 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 17.7 < 1363868848 809217 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>(+)*37>([-.]>)*30 < 1363868851 949277 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 17.2 < 1363868863 660010 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't have changed it < 1363868873 461941 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>(-)*37>([-.]>)*30 < 1363868877 281378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 17.4 < 1363869557 90021 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363869650 260004 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363869726 782061 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pokémon (>[-])*-1 < 1363869730 340178 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Jafet_pok__mon: 13.3 < 1363869763 909786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pok__mon < 1363869779 210066 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is hard, let's go shopping < 1363869794 41299 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pockymon < 1363870155 812279 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this serves my right for messing on EgoJScout with a slow computer < 1363870165 8303 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page has frozen < 1363870166 650570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cout < 1363870464 810151 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust magic >(-)*7>(+)*11>(+)*13>(-)*17>(+)*19>(-)*23>(+)*29>(-)*31>[-](<)*8(-)*30(>)*9[-](<)*9(-)*30(>)*10[-](<)*9(+)*30(>)*10[-](<)*10(+)*30(>)*11[-](<)*12(-)*30(>)*13[-](<)*13(-)*30(>)*14([-]>)*15 < 1363870468 110555 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Taneb_magic: 14.9 < 1363870474 580416 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363870483 72063 :Taneb!d917e6b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.182 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1363870806 63250 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363871202 901151 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363871609 12586 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363871693 1363 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363871727 712274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363872287 424136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't believe so. < 1363872318 992219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was listening to a visiting Google guy.) < 1363872374 915799 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363872420 906147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not identical to fizzie, it seems. < 1363872784 901755 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363873873 522702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, puzzle... < 1363873884 442924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's voice search experiment dataset is a hundred times larger than our standard Finnish training set. < 1363873889 104324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also in English.) < 1363873949 621728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh brain < 1363873989 754290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I simplified it later! < 1363873995 391701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were looking at the first version. < 1363874003 782909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose possibly it's part of their terms and conditions that anything you speak to the search engine may by used agains... I mean, in research. < 1363874004 893190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the simplification < 1363874047 531909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: considering only the case where you get a program, a tape length and a polarity, and have to make a program that beats it under those conditions < 1363874052 212903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., not for all lengths and polarities < 1363874062 535519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363874064 22251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes things _significantly_ simpler, yet I still cannot see an obvious way to construct such a program generically < 1363874070 144040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it seems obviously possible < 1363874133 234830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think there may be essentially 2 cases (1) your opponent starts by doing something equivalent to (>)*N(-)*128 or (>)*N(+)*128 (2) your opponent wastes their time doing something else < 1363874167 652634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case (2), i think you can simply go to their flag immediately and clear it as fast as possible. < 1363874213 27227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no defense they make can be effective, since they cannot detect what you do until you reach 0, by which time it's too late. < 1363874220 44079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1363874241 484057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deciding whether an opponent does something equivalent to (1) sounds a little tricky though :P < 1363874248 558582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose that structure rules out control flow < 1363874258 132963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can check it independent of what your program does (= what effects on the tape you have) < 1363874266 394548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming you knew your opponents code... am i misunderstanding? < 1363874271 645055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes, you do < 1363874284 962937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is to construct an /algorithm/ which figures out an opponent < 1363874289 347591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just run what your opponent is doing if you do _nothing_ < 1363874293 205547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363874312 141793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is countering (1) then. < 1363874317 692945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since by the time it gets to your flag, your decisions matter < 1363874322 893575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it could be doing control flow after the *128 < 1363874331 852418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363874358 626926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's funny that the resulting warrior will never use control flow < 1363874360 313291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and offsetting your own flag will delay your clearing of the other end. hm. < 1363874416 624302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1363874472 121491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just (>)*N(-)*128, but (>)*N(-)*128 + something that doesn't change the flag the next step < 1363874509 982483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you outrun them, i think < 1363874639 745806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363874967 703558 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: would that be a nethack-like-cell-based game? and if so.. are you making it from scratch? or are you just considering how you`d manage things if you make it so far < 1363874986 282285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a brainfuck-like cell-based game < 1363874989 352197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki BF_Joust < 1363874989 566027 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1363875003 558110 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw that one < 1363875009 793872 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1363875111 132705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only effectively a finite number of bfjoust programs for any size < 1363875121 392535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case (1), if you do a + or - before rushing, then you ensure the opponent won't win in those N+129 steps _and_ your flag isn't 0 afterwards. so he cannot win in less than N+131 steps. and even with that +, you still have 129 steps to clear his flag and wait another round. < 1363875123 783078 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, it is possible < 1363875244 592804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. it can't be that easy, surely :P < 1363875251 653070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it is < 1363875297 242179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping it would at least involve knowledge of the source code beyond "run it once vs. nop" :( < 1363875309 492594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad trombone :P < 1363875315 809727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's no insight for the real problem (i.e., given a program p compute ~p that beats it on all tape lengths and polarities) < 1363875327 400515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1363875341 793491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say we outsource it to... hm. < 1363875343 822019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd. < 1363875347 682153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1363875355 582741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't like that. < 1363875357 494803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you can do it then < 1363875369 552672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363875389 512264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no space between the O and K, i think you are misinterpreting < 1363875406 63451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly my syntax is slipping < 1363875462 892883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no. i am sure there is no misinterpretation. have a lot of fun & report back with your findings! < 1363875468 973437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we have proved than there can be no program that _always_ wins or ties at every tape and polarity. < 1363875473 503047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1363875482 556703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1363875496 933376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something. < 1363875594 964966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on the downside, we don't want this technology to go too far, lest we invent an algorithm that takes *multiple* programs and beats them all. < 1363875600 835529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the game would become quite boring. < 1363875601 434804 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1363875604 466014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrors! < 1363875616 304344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully I have a hunch that that is impossible. < 1363875625 643405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., there are P and Q such that no R can beat both P and Q.) < 1363875632 462779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something.) < 1363875678 593387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1363875684 983258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1363875760 555700 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, does P beat Q? < 1363875875 708510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P beats Q and Q beats R, why doesn't P always beat R? Why? Why? Why?! < 1363875900 703625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything should be transitive. < 1363875911 432638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 second day in a row of french spam... < 1363875911 641656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363875950 140189 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://phpsadness.com/static/pages/sad/52/order-full-noeq-tred.png < 1363876006 782607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Is that the order defined by PHP's relational operators? < 1363876036 483078 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: embrace the full universe in its whole flavour! let intrasivity imbibe your soul to its core essence! < 1363876045 524133 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1363876048 613635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the cycle. < 1363876100 473876 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this means that sorted(sort($a)) may not always be true) < 1363876123 590189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's is_sorted, not sorted. < 1363876129 282736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found http://phpsadness.com/sad/52 already.) < 1363877104 69666 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363878159 23723 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363878191 744995 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363878325 524632 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363880520 796265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363880539 712040 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1363880635 395708 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1363881019 480050 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363881926 685383 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363882651 311376 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363883113 280801 :Lymia!~moe@tccd250-2.tccd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363883113 717426 :Lymia!~moe@tccd250-2.tccd.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1363883113 930019 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1363883836 99452 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363883910 976820 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it looks like I'm not cosplaying SatW!Finland < 1363884744 991115 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363884762 127642 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't acquire a hat < 1363884775 380291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless a suspiciously floral Finland is acceptable < 1363884996 656185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wow those graphs < 1363885242 389621 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363885395 184245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, some people here know how to do social things, right? < 1363885498 359415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably. < 1363885499 102649 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLARBLEFLOBB GLARBLEFLOBB WOO WOO WOOOOO < 1363885518 637454 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the right thing to do when you see two people, both of whom you like, really hating eachother? < 1363885576 347888 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1363885809 387472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Reverse the polarity of one. < 1363885844 817326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on circumstances < 1363885849 28194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand why they hate each other? < 1363885873 580384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those hates that comes out of nothing and becomes everything < 1363885905 953953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1363885932 661110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much have you talked to them about it? < 1363885951 238088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them are being kinda scary about it < 1363885961 109730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them has bitched at me about the other < 1363885977 737467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a recent development? you might want to let them cool down a bit first < 1363885995 860076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, plant the seed of "I really like both of you and I wish you could get along", then back off for a few weeks < 1363886022 611446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few months old < 1363886026 606489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm :/ < 1363886029 37156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd really like it fixed before Saturday < 1363886034 478495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1363886178 510038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my girlfriend and her other boyfriend (who I was also close to) broke up a few months back < 1363886185 15471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wish they could even stand to be in the same room together < 1363886189 979564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no luck so far :( < 1363886195 862883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what to do about it < 1363886222 569880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If you make them both really really angry at you, maybe they'll realize they have something in common, namely hating you. < 1363886232 259784 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I was thinking that < 1363886233 360578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not such a practical solution.) < 1363886238 199342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363886244 890989 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have both hated me in the past, sort of < 1363886335 629732 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? Harem? o-o < 1363886379 736398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have all kinds of non-binary relationships these days, I understand. < 1363886389 518655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1363886401 128788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not-these-days, but less talked about perhaps) < 1363886433 976255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triangles and squares and bipartite graphs and elder signs. < 1363886435 593551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and binary relationships that aren't sexually exclusive < 1363886450 29882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emotional relationships that don't involve sex < 1363886452 460087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots of other things < 1363886455 86543 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elder signs, ne. < 1363886457 143061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out people are complicated < 1363886474 248691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM overly complicated and could stand to be simplified a bit HTH HAND < 1363886481 327342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yup < 1363886493 162104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think poly is a simplification of sorts < 1363886509 829049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you remove drama that comes from following arbitrary rules and replace it with drama that arises from how people actually feel about each other < 1363886535 131862 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck itym < 1363886535 388773 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1363886544 612137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i think you mean" < 1363886579 325262 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets bozo bit on kmc  < 1363886586 927603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noe < 1363886610 285758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HAND is the thing you GRAB with. (Apologies for being inconsiderate towards people with no HANDS.) < 1363886621 15402 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out, condescension isn't a good way to earn friends~ < 1363886636 788464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being condescending? < 1363886643 450331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1363886643 668822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was me. < 1363886650 529402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm the one with this "bozo bit" < 1363886670 204164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to direct my condescension at society in general (for pretending people aren't complicated) and not you specifically Lymia < 1363886672 819479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1363886678 772434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a RFC about it. < 1363886697 779161 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK < 1363886701 123799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck bozo < 1363886701 358600 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bozo definition: a foolish or incompetent person. < 1363886708 248229 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :bozo bits seem to be typically implemented with a list of regexes now. < 1363886774 448853 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION twiddles random frobs on kmc < 1363886811 911697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to be careful when POKEing people, you never know which register you hit. < 1363886826 919591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1363886847 572309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yopo < 1363886852 657407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoplait. < 1363886861 688809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Froyo. < 1363886869 400213 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's the point. I'm hoping to see if kmc has any undocumented instructions. < 1363886885 782964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WRMSRs boily < 1363886905 864484 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weapons of remote mass subtle reification? < 1363886909 898675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363886915 429398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, write model-specific register < 1363886916 826729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on x86) < 1363886932 532925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a frozen-yogurt place in Helsinki that has opened recently, it's kind of a new thing around here, there certainly weren't many (if any) a decade or two ago. < 1363886935 892943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is where a lot of obscure creatures dwell < 1363886948 506103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that AMD has some MSRs that don't appear until you load magic values into ECX and EDX and whatever < 1363886968 157043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some debugging features that need a "key" like that. < 1363886973 658149 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have «yeh!» here (the ! is part of the name). it's self-serve, and you pay by weight. < 1363886988 478643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are kinda cool < 1363886996 39638 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's obscure, nasty, and fascinating. < 1363887025 612540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: This one is just like that, there's a couple of machines with different flavours for the "base" (plus each machine of two flavours has a third lever that can make a combination of the two), and then you add candy and nuts and whatnot by yourself, and weigh the end result. < 1363887076 682277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's called JOGO. (People who name these places aren't always terribly imaginative.) < 1363887140 749478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US they are named Pinkberry and Red Mango and along these lines < 1363887141 3513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently JOGO is a Finnish franchise. Well, with one location maybe they can't really be called a franchise yet, but that's how they describe themselves. < 1363887154 356468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be structured as a franchise still < 1363887174 436031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that one company licenses its IP and business model to another company which runs the store < 1363887209 530190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinkberry isn't self-serve though. I've seen a self-serve one in the US (in the mall in SF that has the curved escalators) but not many < 1363887246 410932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Joko" is a Finnish adverb meaning yet/already, so they can make punny advertisements, like "Jogo olet maistanut?", as in "Have you already tasted?" except with some spurious consonant gradation. < 1363887336 510418 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could make the same kind of pun in French: «Yeh-vez vous déjà goûté?» < 1363887345 537414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of crazy that Starbucks has grown the way they have without franchising < 1363887432 37988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought that "there's so many Starbucksen" thing was a kind of a joke, but then in Portland there were so many of them. < 1363887540 607698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single Starbucks in Finland, and that's at the Helsinki-Vantaa airport, and nobody goes to the airport except for reasons related to flights (the public transportation to there kind of sucks), so you only really get to experience the 'bucks here when coming/going somewhere. < 1363887567 147509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a joke, but it's funny because it's true < 1363887595 648008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how did i get to the airport < 1363887598 339082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also don't have a single Burger Kings; the closest is probably in Stockholm. < 1363887610 968622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's buses, but there's nothing going on tracks. < 1363887611 176611 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has no Starbucks < 1363887619 118441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or MacDonald's-s < 1363887624 297793 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Burger Kings < 1363887624 506692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the bus from the central railway station < 1363887628 283162 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Pizza Huts < 1363887631 17540 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or KFCs < 1363887644 538892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no combination pizza hut and taco bell? < 1363887655 578289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you take the cheap regular-number-615-or-720-or-whatever bus, or the slightly more expensive direct Finnair bus? < 1363887659 398046 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, no combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bell < 1363887663 297599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the cheap one < 1363887679 671063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one that also has stops on the way. < 1363887711 188387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're building the "raindrop" railway line now that's going to connect two railway branches leaving Helsinki, and do it so that it goes under the airport, so in a few years one should be able to take a local train there. < 1363887724 968660 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a special bus/shuttle to get to the airport. it is route 747. (7xx buses are special routes, like the 777 for the casino) < 1363887737 918495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, it's not the "raindrop" one, it's the other, I forget what it's called. < 1363887778 718645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Raindrop" is the thing they're going to make for the local traffic in the Helsinki city centre, so that it no longer goes to the central railway station but instead into an underground loop with three other stops or so. < 1363887836 709087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently it's called Helsinki City Rail Loop in English, it's just the Finnish name that's silly. < 1363887856 188194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: cute < 1363887857 659335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It allegedly resembles a raindrop in the map if you squint just right.) < 1363887870 198437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JetBlue flight from Boston to Las Vegas is flight number 777 < 1363887912 330712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has its very own rail gauge right? < 1363887935 989486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 4 mm off from the Russian one < 1363887941 211753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is considered "close enough" < 1363887969 308284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that's right. < 1363887971 59555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :train might make more noise on one side or the other < 1363887994 589990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have that new (i.e. not many years old) high-speed (FSVO) link to St. Petersburg now. < 1363888024 561948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1363888038 9884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :220 km/h max < 1363888042 459577 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: George Stephenson, railway pioneer, was from near Hexham < 1363888066 89954 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite network is hong kong's mtr. still have my octopus card with me :D < 1363888071 818722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuts two hours (from five and a half to three and a half) off the travel time. < 1363888084 948551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: on the very first run of his railway (the first public inter-city passenger line ever), a Member of Parliament was struck and killed < 1363888096 950727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of amazing that they didn't scrap the idea of railways entirely < 1363888103 213669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was actually pretty good publicity for them < 1363888224 948978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki Region Transport has one- and two-digit numbers for within-muncipality bus lines, and three-digit numbers for those that cross borders, numbered approximately so that 1xx go east, 7xx go west, and the ones that go more north are numbered "clockwise". (The ones that go south drive into the sea.) < 1363888230 828706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they were going to have a party on arriving in Manchester but they arrived to find that there was more of a riot already in progress < 1363888232 867002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a line 777, though. < 1363888238 678975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they turned around < 1363888268 927735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 776, but that's the highest-numbered 7xx line. < 1363888286 722856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amphibious bus! < 1363888296 844949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have those in Boston, a little bit < 1363888313 69506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tourist attraction where you ride around in a WW2-era amphibious vehicle < 1363888316 959490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the street and then down the river < 1363888337 789223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I thought that you needed amphibious buses for when it rains really hard. < 1363888353 948967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we really should have some of those here. it gets dangerous sometimes.) < 1363888355 332670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was those in London for a bit, I hear < 1363888374 79127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ferry to Suomenlinna is part of HSL's traffic network, but I don't think it has a number. (It's also not amphibious, it's just a boat.) < 1363888394 256479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's number is "lautta" (Finnish for "ferry") in the timetable system. All lowercase and all. < 1363888446 121055 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363888464 519113 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363888493 459432 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363888493 668002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363888659 106146 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05 < Taneb> What is the right thing to do when you see two people, both of whom you like, really hating eachother? < 1363888666 701538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you feel it's a problem maybe try auspisticizing? < 1363888701 679375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn auspisticizing < 1363888702 179100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "auspisticizing". < 1363888711 912676 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(homestuck joke <.<) < 1363888721 222863 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck auspisticizing < 1363888721 470190 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1363888745 290238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora.............................. < 1363888818 395394 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fiora < 1363888818 739762 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fiora is a river in northern Lazio and southern Tuscany, which springs from the southern flank of the Monte Amiata, near Santa Fiora. < 1363888830 713270 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363888852 169749 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ~duck do o_O < 1363888875 490595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and awwww. my program fell like 6spots on the list < 1363888880 171952 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not careful, it'll ~goose you. < 1363888887 874003 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :duckduckgo? < 1363888891 41895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which list? < 1363888896 404108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're playing bfjoust now? < 1363888947 9274 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ~duck is arguably the less useless command from my bot. < 1363888954 628657 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh. search engine < 1363888960 669665 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that and ~metar. I can't decide which one.) < 1363888961 549716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I kind of um. lost 4 hours last night playing < 1363888964 777893 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got up to 37.6 < 1363888990 690652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really addictive >_< < 1363889126 939780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you gained 4 hours of playing it last night. < 1363889144 717441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363889433 493602 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not loss, not gain; the joust is moving. < 1363889862 987158 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363889891 249187 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar < 1363889891 465543 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- ~metar station < 1363889906 59582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1363889906 351063 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 211800Z 22015G21KT 15SM FEW020 BKN032 BKN090 00/M07 A2965 RMK SC1SC5AC1 SLP043 < 1363889958 483409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBOS < 1363889958 935181 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBOS 211754Z 00000KT 10SM FEW030 BKN047 OVC060 01/M06 A2969 RMK AO2 SNB06E41 SLP055 P0000 60000 T00061056 10011 21006 58025 < 1363889992 138749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EBAW < 1363889992 737483 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBAW 211750Z 10004KT 9999 FEW042 02/M03 Q1019 NOSIG < 1363890158 793607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1363890159 317899 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 211750Z 34004KT 9999 FEW043 M07/M18 Q1027 NOSIG < 1363890163 586932 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363890182 364574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of chilly still. < 1363890218 794197 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah! at last somewhere chillier than here! < 1363890244 160065 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363890282 396103 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how different BfJoust would be with one additional instruction < 1363890286 617911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreca predicts that Espoo's nightly low for the Thu-Fri night is -18°C. < 1363890287 658349 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, [] except with an inverted condition < 1363890335 669520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: At least it's not supernovaing. < 1363890421 95831 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the supernova had to take its mandatory break, then it's going to resume operations tonight. < 1363890540 199816 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is bfjoust being talked about < 1363890589 52994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I think because I was playing it last night < 1363890596 139116 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more interesting than bfchess < 1363890597 411445 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things my program beats omnipotence every time. yay! < 1363890619 4355 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that got me thinking about it, and mentioned it around lunchtime? < 1363890696 919551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia was too, doing this super cool program evolving thing < 1363890799 940748 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1363890800 746502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the ([)*3(])*4 thing, it seems that I simply have managed to get gearlance and cranklance parsers out of sync: http://sprunge.us/MEeZ -- I'll refactor it out into a separate file, that'll sort it out. < 1363890802 394193 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363890808 806504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the <> are the inverted ones you mentioned, is AC is equivalent to A([C]B)*-1? < 1363891006 993728 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1363891009 503404 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess %-1 can do it < 1363891066 423928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what %-1 does? < 1363891067 252693 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[if]else, inverted: ([else{}]if-not)%-1 < 1363891068 16829 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1363891085 813649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363891087 361248 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363891088 265287 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuu,,, not quite... < 1363891110 325990 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :[if]else, inverted: ([else]if-not)*-1 < 1363891118 820153 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that emulates an if-not loop. < 1363891152 189531 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My BF Joust program seems to be super effective against Deewiant < 1363891152 890495 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363891185 194860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm looking at the matchup chart and mentally imagining the sides as pokemon types <_> < 1363891346 81355 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363891375 251204 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363891470 2350 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how do you achieve a <_> face? < 1363891488 460772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strabismus? < 1363891659 467871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like >_< except viewed from a different coordinate system < 1363892175 68614 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: gotta restart < 1363892322 831950 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363892393 990537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363893151 546868 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42308.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363893335 906296 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust walpurgus >-[+[(>)*5[>------]>>--((-)*16.)*-1]-](>)*5[>++++++]>>++((+)*16.)*-1 < 1363893339 934171 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_walpurgus: 2.4 < 1363893340 173973 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :targeted bot killing yay < 1363893354 95528 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lymia < 1363893485 408318 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363893712 700423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you hello-killed Lymia! < 1363894115 358083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm strong like that < 1363894208 448956 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, for purely statistical purposes and the greater good of humanity, what are your approximate coordinates and body weigh? < 1363894857 130256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make up one of those Google Maps powered things where you can put your own pin on the map, to collect this data? < 1363894895 430716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, come to think of it, was there an #esoteric map like that already? < 1363894999 311351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there might have been yes < 1363895014 225697 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heuristically you could just say everyone lives in hexham, it'd be pretty accurate < 1363895033 680874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363895048 811098 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363895291 125280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to my list, I'm the fattest esolanger. < 1363895316 624462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1363895317 227311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1363895320 324150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1363895321 13863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 5h 25m 2s ago: sorry. < 1363895328 192113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat. < 1363895370 293115 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363895405 531644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gréétings < 1363895433 916519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hëllô < 1363895515 298381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok i think i've found the relevant time period in the logs, and i still have no idea why you are saying sorry. < 1363895573 544450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 minutes after i quit last time, iicc) < 1363895584 738885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fat and boily? < 1363895599 310147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oily and boily < 1363895603 513082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you could calculate the average BMI of an esolanger < 1363895693 72147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Did I miss a private message from you? I have no idea why you said "sorry." < 1363895693 671893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363895696 731165 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval (150 / 2.2) / ((70 * 2.54) ** 2) < 1363895697 708592 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.1567761131811684e-3 < 1363895711 221407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval (150 / 2.2) / ((70 * 2.54 / 100) ** 2) < 1363895711 975288 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21.567761131811686 < 1363895721 115718 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'm at 21.6. < 1363895723 843689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess you'd need heights for that) < 1363895739 208775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these SI units? < 1363895748 942052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, oerjan: I still need your own coordinates :D < 1363895764 108296 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I already put Trondheim for oerjan, as an educated guess.) < 1363895770 721569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm in trondheim < 1363895788 777471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I converted from lbs to kg, and from inches to meters. < 1363895813 413268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1363895820 822595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my router is broken again ... it refuses to create new connections, but this already-established irc connection is apparently fine < 1363895824 352516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what units are 150 and 70 in < 1363895835 571447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :150 lbs, and I'm 5'10" tall. < 1363895839 551731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363895841 984661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 * 2.54 sounds like inches. < 1363895874 518266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 180/0.82^2 < 1363895876 371040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 267.69779892920883 < 1363895886 833573 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363895887 442439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that doesn't seem right < 1363895892 816708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.82??? < 1363895900 568510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1363895907 149105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 180 kilograms and 82 centimetres? < 1363895908 231909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I thought you were french, why do you know your height and weight in inches and pounds? < 1363895916 884454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.82/1.81^2 < 1363895918 709157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.2502976099630658 < 1363895919 384710 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada < 1363895923 58391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1363895935 102948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You weigh 0.82 kg? < 1363895944 725089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that 100 is confusing me < 1363895946 65939 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm from Québec. body weights are in pounds, heights in feet, pool temperatures in fahrenheit. < 1363895959 351136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The / 100 was to convert from cm to m. < 1363895961 931421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 82/1.81^2 < 1363895963 919792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25.029760996306585 < 1363895964 595297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the formula is (kg / m^2) < 1363895967 499790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1363895971 27861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (After the 2.54 cm/in multiplication.) < 1363895977 889988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_now_ it seems right < 1363895989 241464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close to it < 1363895999 152265 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 53/1.70^2 < 1363896000 802784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18.339100346020764 < 1363896001 911978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have lost even more weight < 1363896002 122989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is quebec that place that we agreed actually exists or some hypothetical part of "canada"? < 1363896004 283536 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1363896015 663298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's is about 18.3 too < 1363896018 43544 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear bmi is stupid about age though < 1363896023 447344 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think you stopped at ottawa. nothing was existentially decided after that. < 1363896024 703587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I pretty much match oerjan's measurements. Though I haven't weighted myself in the last five years, so it's probably anywhere in the [70, 90] range. < 1363896050 92716 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll put 80kg for you, if that's okay. < 1363896065 201879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's the right order of magnitude. < 1363896089 552129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The battery has run out in our scale, and anyway it'd be in a different room. < 1363896102 919551 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought my weight was about 80kg for the last 10 years or so, it's not too bad (iirc) but I think it's also completely wrong < 1363896104 541210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those electro-nicks ones. < 1363896250 942176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there's an electro on freenode < 1363896263 912439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has great opportunity for a cheesy pun < 1363896286 343559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 67/1.81^2 -- I was this ten years ago, but then again I wasn't really all that interested in eating anything back then. < 1363896288 324821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20.45114617990904 < 1363896579 541209 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : 150 lbs, and I'm 5'10" tall. // you lose the fatness war, I'm fatter than you, nurr nurr nurr < 1363896593 894065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We also don't have a single Burger Kings; the closest is probably in Stockholm. <-- huh trondheim alone has several < 1363896682 528003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff, fatness war < 1363896697 113243 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363896733 436478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: 'murica < 1363896762 354336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a lb < 1363896771 190364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it's this weird measurement some people use < 1363896771 431938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a stone < 1363896775 299216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's related to a sto-- < 1363896782 412664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< thinking exactly the same thing < 1363896782 835827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sto++ < 1363896784 963280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a large boulder. < 1363896792 634445 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's kinda like quite a few stones. < 1363896831 142674 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363896831 392231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is burger king the same thing as burgeranch < 1363896841 384609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is nowadays but wasn't at the time < 1363896847 858250 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the average BMI in america is 27 now < 1363896930 945930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at 28! Woooh, beatin' the average! < 1363896972 145107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0/0^2 < 1363896974 150155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1363896976 926709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win! < 1363897053 755527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMI is pretty bullshit anyway < 1363897055 814655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1363897059 521890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are a country of lardasses < 1363897070 535058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to lose weight < 1363897081 972914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday I tried to run a mile and only made it 0.46 miles but my time was pretty good I think? < 1363897084 722017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, come to think of it, was there an #esoteric map like that already? <-- there used to be, yes < 1363897100 973671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wat, no burger king anywhere in finland? < 1363897105 392739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to run a mile but i only made 100m < 1363897105 671910 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was your time? < 1363897125 483107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by my calculations i'm basically set to win all the marathons < 1363897129 438584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 100-150m is about where my asthma kicks in and tells me to go back to the computer < 1363897143 892384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 3m 44s < 1363897166 556338 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow for a second i thought it was 0.46 out of of .60 and was ._. < 1363897175 420155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. i couldn't do another 0.46 miles at the same time right after < 1363897190 670317 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's probably better to pace yourself too < 1363897191 695982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: None. AFAIK, they've said (to reporters) that there's too much competition (and probably too small markets), what with two reasonably entrenched burger chains already. < 1363897205 383206 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been trying to be able to do a nine minute mile without being exhausted afterwards. progress is slow < 1363897228 467671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was pretty beat right after < 1363897234 595716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, what's the other entrenched burger chain? < 1363897247 450686 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am still kind of shocked looking at the distribution and being like "what I have lower bmi than 95% -- how is that even possible" < 1363897251 238954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've run the Cooper test in 12 minutes." < 1363897261 798834 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do it and lift weights and stuff after, but it's the most exhausting part of the workout. < 1363897281 421908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fucks around on google maps for a bit, realises a mile is far shorter than he'd thought < 1363897287 135490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The (mostly; they have some places abroad) national one, Hesburger. (The other being McD.) < 1363897301 640802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, hesburger? never heard of it < 1363897311 968056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is pretty Finnish. < 1363897320 301809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one in Tallinn. < 1363897332 674239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think maybe some in Latvia/Lithuania. < 1363897362 162554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one was somewhere in middle east for some reason, I think. < 1363897369 764938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far away, anyway. < 1363897448 204387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably more Hesburgers in Finland than McD's; a majority of big shoppint centres has one. (Whereas McD's are all "standalone" locations, not integrated with anything else. I understand it's some kind of a policy they have here.) < 1363897485 591782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a hesburger in syria between 2004-2006, apparently < 1363897505 392373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet they're kicking themselves now < 1363897520 635321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing works up a craving for finnish burgers than a civil war < 1363897527 177022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more than < 1363897527 875334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think that's what I was thinking of. < 1363897548 784507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they still have some in as far as Germany, if Wikipedia is to be believed. < 1363897550 69689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hesburger also have pasta restaurants (which offer a pasta menu in addition to the normal one), [...] and restaurants which also offer carwash services to their customers." < 1363897574 407442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's very few of HesePasta's around. < 1363897584 354142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a HeseKebab now. < 1363897624 635233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it used to be so that the two burger places were McD (the leader) and Carrols (the competitor), but Hesburger ate up Carrols a while ago. < 1363897626 877321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do they charge for a kebab? < 1363897658 881974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been in the HeseKebab, there's just one I've seen from the bus window. < 1363897674 429676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HesePasta comes in this cardboard box. < 1363897699 297291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by this picture on the web, the kebab also comes in a cardboard box ... with no sauce? < 1363897703 594919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a HesePasta in Hartwall Areena, so I've visited it once every Assembly the last few years. < 1363897724 484439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: cheese kebab" well not quite. < 1363897738 529100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hesekebab.fi/files/images/hesekebab_aloituskuva2.jpg there's some kind of sauce there. < 1363897787 784650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems they have only one in Helsinki, but a large number in the Turku corner of Finland. Curious. < 1363897795 207300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they started by testing the concept there. < 1363897799 842289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hesekebab.fi/tuotteet/kebablautanen was the one on the front page < 1363897833 372219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that sugar listed as some sort of allergy information?) < 1363897871 902097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... yes. < 1363897876 550157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why. < 1363897934 643779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what you have there is the "Kebablautanen", i.e. "kebab plate". What I linked to was the plain "Kebab". < 1363897944 931937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem kind of dry. < 1363897952 137583 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like kebabcardboardbox < 1363897955 511400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no sauce listed in the ingredients list either. < 1363897966 348197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just because it's a different product. < 1363897967 816011 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-170.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363897980 200954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says you can choose a mayonnaise or a sauce from their usual list of ones, in the text. < 1363897986 652922 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's to make it officially healthier by making the sauce "optional" < 1363897993 416597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an allergy to sugar. < 1363898001 21012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: That would suck. < 1363898017 510038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sounds like the most oversimplified description of diabetes ever?) < 1363898077 505563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old name for diabetes here is sugar sickness < 1363898087 341415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, there's 270 Hesburger restaurants in Finland, but only 83 McD's. < 1363898125 467969 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a local business magazine article from the 2008 said that McD has been unprofitable (with a couple of exceptions) in Finland for almost its whole existence here. < 1363898139 845843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, also you're just courting the people who get pedantic about the use of the word allergy < 1363898152 276352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've checked for horse meat yet ... they're only one letter away from Hestburger < 1363898185 109851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think they had a note about how they are very careful about their meat in the Hesburger in our local shopping mall. < 1363898236 36071 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: people with an allergy to the word allergy? < 1363898244 297648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Also, there *were* two Burger Kings in finland, back in the early 1980s; but they quit in 1984 and 1985, respectively; and the planned third one turned into a McD instead. < 1363898252 894456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an allergy to its inaccurate use, yes < 1363898271 337115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And they announced a comeback to Finland in September 2010, but then canceled it. < 1363898336 882992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they "don't see enough opportunities" here. < 1363898372 998033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must be doing it wrong, people always want more junk food < 1363898413 745050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of annoying, because they have that cheeseless-by-default Whopper; we've visited some BK's on holiday trips, and it's a novelty to be able to order something in a burger place without having to customize. (My wife doesn't do cheese.) < 1363898427 774910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it wouldn't feel that special if we had a BK in Finland. < 1363898541 974674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're kind of lacking in these franchisey places. Though we've got a reasonable number of Subways these days. < 1363898559 940113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost all the Pizza Huts have closed, though, there's just a few left. < 1363898576 271342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza huts are few and far apart here in sweden < 1363898619 684535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have 7 locations left, of which 6 are in Helsinki and one is in Tampere; and of those six some are not "full" restaurants. < 1363898653 208748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we recently got a pizza hut "near" my town, but they placed it so far out in the middle of nowhere that I will most likely never visit it < 1363898730 247967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 105 Subways in Finland, apparently. That's more than there are McD's. < 1363898757 986562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, Subways don't seem to have any sort of problems being integrated into shopping malls here. < 1363898826 741023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and we don't have a single KFC, as far as I know. < 1363898871 11878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a clone called "Southern Fried Chicken" in a prominent location in the city centre, though. I think that's a UK chain? < 1363898904 720714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least I've always assumed it's a clone, I've never been in there.) < 1363898966 684269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Fried_Chicken_(franchise) is the best article. "In the 1970s Withers travelled to America -- Withers made a visit to Greenville, South Carolina, where he learned about fried chicken." < 1363898986 779929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He LEARNED about FRIED CHICKEN there. I'm sure it was a MINDBLOWING experience. < 1363898989 22793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we probably don't have a KFC either, the fried chicken thing is fairly alien to us as well < 1363899003 150147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the picture in the article is from Helsinki.) < 1363899019 189928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but, I mean, what's there to learn? It's chicken, and it's fried. < 1363899075 541276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's KFC's in Europe, I know that much. There was one in... Prague? Or maybe it was Florence. < 1363899122 856899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just fry some chicken, you have to serve it somehow, and teach people how to eat it, and so on < 1363899140 315872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KFC_world_map1.png Finland/Sweden/Norway indeed seem to be (one of) the odd ones left out. < 1363899145 657607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Denmark is blue. < 1363899191 842854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kfc in north korea either < 1363899262 888405 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363899288 592828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"List of countries with KFC franchises -- Currently abandoned markets -- Sweden -- Present in the 1980s, but since closed." < 1363899293 882430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've at least had some. < 1363899321 913090 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363899431 420862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taco Bell is another thing we don't have. As is Wendy's. (I don't know how widespread those two are.) < 1363899452 877345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have something called "taco bar" < 1363899461 261689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wendy%27s_world_locations.svg seems they've kind of pulled out from Europe. < 1363899462 176975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1363899482 720596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who keeps making all these maps about fast food chain global penetration?) < 1363899485 157819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1363899529 87464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1363899558 69826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a chain-style "Mexican" place in Finland. < 1363899567 432428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any exciting insights? < 1363899622 64220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumor has it that actual mexican food is almost completely different from that kind of "mexican" food < 1363899633 116381 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have plenty of "tex-mex" though < 1363899641 563260 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amerimex < 1363899646 52499 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is probably nothing like what they would eat in either Texas or Mexico. < 1363899649 359229 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/probably// < 1363899650 853452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let me to think of it; I forgot temporarily. < 1363899662 173499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK. < 1363899668 263951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: There's plenty of it, but I can't think of a chain of it, at least immediately. < 1363899674 623974 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1363899686 957904 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only think of Amarillo which claims to be sort of a tex-mex kinda place at times < 1363899703 3845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that might count. < 1363899719 703315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not all that many of them, though? Like, less than a dozen? < 1363899765 24623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, I fixed a parser issue that was in gearlance that I had already fixed in chainlance; you might want to consider updating. (Shouldn't affect any valid programs, but some invalid ones were being accepted and did... something I can't be bothered to find out.) < 1363899788 605486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my, there is in fact quite a few. < 1363899804 906723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two dozen. Well, how about that. < 1363899909 319828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Chico's also has a bit of the "tex-mex" stuff, though it's more branding itself as generally American. < 1363899919 454346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how dare you invalidate previously accepted programs! Do you know how much time and effort was spent that you invalidated and needs to be repaired?!?!? < 1363899932 163353 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What's gearlance/chainlance?) < 1363899938 603885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: None of the current hill changed, FWIW. :p < 1363899948 813450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The implementation !bfjoust runs on. < 1363899951 847214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363899962 865223 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363899976 542675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I said it wrong. < 1363899978 672783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking of that PHP change that someone was complaining about < 1363899986 278664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I said "chainlance" I meant "cranklance". < 1363899989 63237 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363900135 526980 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363900191 272689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went approximately so that I first wrote chainlance, which compiled to... something, I forget what exactly; then based on that wrote cranklance, which is a "compile to threaded-ish code, dispatch with GCC computed goto" kind of an implementation, which does the statistics; and then based on that I made a trimmed-down version (dropped out the statistics collection, basically) called ... < 1363900197 340150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... gearlance which Gregor put in the bot, I think because it was a bit speedier than egojoust. < 1363900237 154321 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363900307 463569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The etymology of the nomenclature is something like that lances are a thing which are used for jousting, and chainlance is kind of like chainsaw in that it's really fast (it isn't all that fast), and cranklance is like a hand-cranked version of it in that it's slower but you can see what happens (it isn't all that slower), and gearlance is [something something faster than cranklance something ... < 1363900313 360935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... something]. < 1363900323 84474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are, like, gears and stuff? < 1363900608 171730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363901054 713361 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha < 1363901056 993331 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha < 1363901069 834024 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has just became slightly more ridiculous for me < 1363901118 981408 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've unlocked the power of newtype Mu a = Mu {getMu :: Mu a -> a} < 1363901153 146038 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix = \f -> f (\x -> getMu x x) (Mu $ \x -> getMu x x) < 1363901181 943289 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1363901191 163215 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1363901195 276198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Curry's Paradox! < 1363901232 964282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that relate at all to the other thing data Fix f = In (f (Fix f)) < 1363901234 23799 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv. not a good system if it can prove santa claus to exist < 1363901237 299050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes called Mu < 1363901245 674042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oleg has an article on interesting ways to write fix in haskell < 1363901266 692785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe Oleg exists < 1363901306 843567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say that Oleg is working on a weather predicting computer for the navy < 1363901313 973710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe... he is a weather predicting computer < 1363901365 3586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Mu < 1363901365 313028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = In { out :: f (Mu f) } < 1363901380 646398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Mu f = Mu (forall a. (f a -> a) -> a) < 1363901380 857813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu f = forall a. Nu a (a -> f a) < 1363901381 66952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fix f = Fix (f (Fix f)) < 1363901387 538416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Mu is the real Mu. < 1363901395 233918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's equivalent to Fix in Haskell? < 1363901397 273549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg reorganized his site < 1363901399 613021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Rec < 1363901399 821285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Rec a = InR { outR :: Rec a -> a } < 1363901408 490355 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of ways to do this huh < 1363901429 645414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not much of a relation between Rec and Fix, I think. < 1363901472 56223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let k = In (go 0) where go n = print n >> return (In (go (n+1))) in k < 1363901473 368247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu IO < 1363901489 315438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f (\x -> outR x x) (InR $ \x -> f (outR x x) < 1363901490 693755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1363901491 293626 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f (\x -> outR x x) (InR $ \x -> f (outR x x)) < 1363901492 755462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = Rec a0 -> a0 < 1363901492 974680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: Rec a0 < 1363901492 974859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: Rec (Rec a0 -> a0) < 1363901504 573443 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotting < 1363901512 292782 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (\x -> f $ outR x x) (InR $ \x -> f (outR x x)) < 1363901513 987694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1363901518 613845 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> (\x -> f $ outR x x) (InR $ \x -> f $ outR x x) < 1363901520 73290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1363901526 454329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called if you make the product of all the exponents of a polynomial (reduced to terms with the coefficient always being 1)? < 1363901565 972029 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of that? < 1363901587 513561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lern2zzo38 < 1363902047 244032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to parse the text of Magic: the Gathering cards by computer to make it into a computer program with the same meaning? < 1363902064 99984 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine not < 1363902143 299478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it won't work with the Alpha cards anyways; I don't know how well it would work with the new cards, though. < 1363902364 598360 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363902368 284762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-152-171.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363902481 226978 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363902535 62535 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363902608 714889 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id InR <$> fmap `flip` join outR < 1363902610 643570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1363902704 505254 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed point combinator without explicit recursion or brackets < 1363902775 983420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty id <*> InR <$> fmap `flip` join outR < 1363902777 93816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a < 1363902805 314081 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works also < 1363902934 983851 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363902998 342776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap `flip` join outR < 1363903000 295039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> Rec a -> b < 1363903045 433350 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \f -> f . join outR < 1363903047 36120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> Rec a -> b < 1363903070 15049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t outR < 1363903071 534048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rec a -> Rec a -> a < 1363903084 174890 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1363903297 506817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inR < 1363903299 146929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `inR' < 1363903299 355037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1363903299 355125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `int' (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ), < 1363903304 245469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t InR < 1363903305 834269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec a -> a) -> Rec a < 1363903372 224199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id InR < 1363903373 853671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec b -> b) -> b < 1363903443 235472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id < 1363903445 444011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> b) -> a) -> (a -> b) -> b < 1363904124 159687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, isn't ap more generic than that? < 1363904125 904469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap < 1363904127 554337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1363904127 761883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1363904394 647925 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363904414 892966 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363904445 783876 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363904670 164372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join outR < 1363904672 315258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rec a -> a < 1363904681 204829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rec? < 1363904706 113978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see backscroll. < 1363904706 358605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363904707 324901 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363904753 544864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join outR . InR < 1363904755 293991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec b -> b) -> b < 1363904764 614031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle InR < 1363904764 822352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix inRange :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Bool < 1363904764 822470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP chainr :: ReadP a -> ReadP (a -> a -> a) -> a -> ReadP a < 1363904764 822519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP chainr1 :: ReadP a -> ReadP (a -> a -> a) -> ReadP a < 1363904771 944846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363904775 334007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t InR < 1363904776 534294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec a -> a) -> Rec a < 1363904815 63895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ourR < 1363904816 224255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ourR' < 1363904816 432702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `outR' (line 144) < 1363904817 547472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ouTR < 1363904818 947625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ouTR' < 1363904819 156257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `outR' (line 144) < 1363904820 285937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t outR < 1363904821 268615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rec a -> Rec a -> a < 1363904828 642622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0 `outR`) < 1363904831 244740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `L.outR' [infixl 9] of a section < 1363904831 452893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower preceden... < 1363904847 254850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be directly in lambdabot's L module < 1363904926 719514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t InR . const < 1363904928 912243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Rec a < 1363905188 679609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join outR . InR . join outR < 1363905190 555583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rec (Rec b -> b) -> b < 1363905205 705782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t join outR . InR $ join outR < 1363905207 455473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1363905217 244306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1363905283 18408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl join outR . InR < 1363905283 619343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\ c -> (outR >>= \ d -> d) ((InR) c)) < 1363905343 75027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> outR (InR x) (InR x) < 1363905344 854475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec a -> a) -> a < 1363905404 306142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id OutR < 1363905405 885182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `OutR' < 1363905413 664224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap id InR < 1363905415 484706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec b -> b) -> b < 1363905446 17756 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363905509 825268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's just fix id < 1363905652 633587 :jokarkka!~jokarkka@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363905698 608089 :jokarkka!~jokarkka@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi NICK :kyyni < 1363905714 854749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kyyni < 1363905727 824865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyyni: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1363906094 984301 :kyyni!~jokarkka@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363906096 138751 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363906152 36580 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363906236 534891 :kyyni!~jokarkka@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363906262 966302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome kyyni < 1363906266 235477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04kyyni: Welcome to the internation05al h04ub for esoteri07c12 11programming lan03g10uage11 design and 07de09plo11yment! For more informat02ion,11 check out 13our 14wiki02: http:12/02/eso13langs.org/wik14i/Main_Pag12e13. (F02o10r the other kin11d04 o02f esoter02ica, t09r02y #esoteric on irc.dal.04ne07t.) < 1363906301 770853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, more .fi. < 1363906326 670599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The harmonic mean welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for money. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1363906508 304546 :kyyni!~jokarkka@melkinpaasi.cs.helsinki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the state of affairs < 1363906586 705409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how kyynical < 1363906606 888456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If arithmetic mean is (a1+a2+...+an)/n and geometric mean is (a1*a2*...*an)^(1/n), can you go one step further still, and get some kind of f(a1^a2^...^an) mean? (I guess that's a bit unlikely, what with ^ not being commutative or anything...) < 1363906630 315271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i don't know < 1363906667 544802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoseThos is now known as TempleOS < 1363906673 624902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1aqdxn/temple_operating_system_v100_released/ < 1363906755 136080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of had it in my head that that guy died < 1363906776 922603 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you could select a subset such that ^ would be commutative < 1363906798 824714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like {x} or {2, 4} < 1363906806 165498 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm it still wouldn't be associative < 1363906832 295421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trimean is the average of the median and the midhinge. < 1363906838 435370 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame because defining means on sets like {x} is pretty easy < 1363906841 177220 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a generalized mean < 1363906847 198812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also read of "ZungJung" average < 1363906856 765981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well you need some concept of right-inverse tetration < 1363906884 764929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Midhinge is the average of the first and third quartile.) < 1363906921 985328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be several generalized means. < 1363906969 79719 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1363906981 307801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I want to know is, anyone who is artist are you able to make the METAFONT files for the mana and tap symbols of Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1363907015 698206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you artist? < 1363907022 285710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Not very good. < 1363907032 452748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean someone who know how to make this specifically. < 1363907043 927976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A constructive artist, also called a con artist. < 1363907157 478353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructivartist < 1363907168 876457 :jiella!~jiella@gprs-internet-bcee92-33.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363907188 291537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think reading that thread makes me feel more empathy < 1363907201 815640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can schizophrenia cause racism in people who wouldn't otherwise be racist? < 1363907250 757881 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mental disorders aren't quite like that. < 1363907285 716985 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1363907299 600758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 'racism' isn't some discrete personality trait < 1363908299 777715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it would be nice if people would dissociate his shitty os design from the fact that he's scary mad, though < 1363908889 808981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he should play a tale in the desert < 1363908898 497492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried it once, it seemed boring, but I didn't get very far < 1363908939 796749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you not watching farscape < 1363908961 307385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will enrich your life and make you physiologically potent < 1363909237 496525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you not watching PMMM? < 1363909258 437135 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363909319 981114 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363909373 516783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it will make me the opposite of that < 1363909402 936908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will only cost you 6 hours to watch the whole thing < 1363909459 781616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what else < 1363909541 38063 :jiella1!~jiella@gprs-internet-bceefc-220.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363909591 6026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will long have memories of a wonderful, heart-touching experience that will forever shape your psyche? < 1363909654 727786 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363909654 937053 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1363909654 937184 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1363909660 758086 :jiella!~jiella@gprs-internet-bcee92-33.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363909689 967095 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly horrible < 1363909691 785477 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1363909756 997504 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363909798 837603 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nyan < 1363909802 866811 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sits on Fiora's lap ^_^ < 1363909815 726276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1363909825 869844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we reaching critical weeaboo < 1363909834 667964 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1363909845 267356 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need stupider people for that. < 1363909846 415935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeep that's not a very big lap < 1363909849 316794 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sillier people. < 1363909857 926641 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sillier works better. < 1363909865 525442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works better for small things like plushies and cats not people < 1363909880 747509 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom-kun, control rod denwa < 1363909900 496664 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust bike < < 1363909911 817451 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_bike: 0.0 < 1363909920 246968 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363910016 449149 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to squirm out and offers Lymia a spot on the couch < 1363910054 367379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it always a couch < 1363910059 47044 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, say, a trampoline < 1363910070 417203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too expensive < 1363910073 904064 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trampolines aren't very comfy < 1363910078 471312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have like, comfy pillows and things < 1363910086 848402 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can bounce < 1363910099 756961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363910106 366511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's active comfort < 1363910124 738206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember back when we didn't have colours on? < 1363910139 126651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1363910170 837616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was horrible < 1363910197 849546 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8,9i can imagine < 1363910204 9132 :jiella1!~jiella@gprs-internet-bceefc-220.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363910228 375513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,1I should try this < 1363910234 431900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,1This is a nice color, really. < 1363910240 256818 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homutext < 1363910247 309846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will actually stab you both < 1363910247 518705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,1... Homura? < 1363910260 827362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363910266 823752 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh phantom don't you need to be corporeal for that < 1363910279 67515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll attach fins to a knife or something and put it into the suborbital brick delivery system < 1363910291 737115 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363910295 167338 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just drop giant chunks of rock. < 1363910298 66879 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9,2that sounds pretty hard to aim. < 1363910308 372886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, that's what the bricks are fall