< 1364083382 851295 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1364083442 314221 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364083738 697596 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364085233 951160 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364085333 86451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1avogh/the_sandbox_roulette_are_you_ready_for_the_gamble/ < 1364085351 886704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tl;dr OS bugs can make application-level sandboxes not work well) < 1364085489 315204 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364085715 71891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how do bicycles use computers anyway < 1364085722 959289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hypervisor bugs can make OS security not work very well < 1364085727 364742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sbemail] < 1364085784 471787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had a "homestar runner phase" & feel at times that this may have made me less of a person < 1364085846 564119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont"really know what homestarr unner is??" < 1364085976 325821 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364086047 740689 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364086143 816236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have other questions. < 1364086146 554630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ignostic? < 1364086157 74438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you agnostic? < 1364086159 799962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something else? < 1364086171 466082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggnogstic < 1364086195 623898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Eggnogstic? What do you mean by that? < 1364086210 290900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggle
< 1364086224 186278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean you have eggnog? < 1364086247 315052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is some eggnog in my fridge, yes < 1364086249 986882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from several years ago < 1364086336 47799 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-168-174.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it counts as eggnog anymore. < 1364086659 337851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _may_ count as a sentient lifeform. < 1364086664 499725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun thought: Dynamically-typed language where it's not possible to just ask values what their types are < 1364086675 862817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goal is to encourage a sense of design where you have to know what each value's type is < 1364086681 423154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ala static typing < 1364086689 329605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't need to prove it to the compiler necessarily < 1364086692 544079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no, z-wave is still being advertised on the wiki!! < 1364086705 174067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1364086709 958018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea is to avoid the temptation in dynamically-typed languages to special case on the type < 1364086715 743049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only... if only you could do something < 1364086727 913414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do something if I was given rights >>> < 1364086728 874974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1364086737 421924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats FireFly -----###
< 1364086770 739180 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how is it dynamically typed if you can't probe for type information. < 1364086798 922650 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more like static typing without erasure, or something. < 1364086833 653810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have a hashmap foo, and know that foo["bar"] is an int, because of how your code uses foo, then you can just use foo["bar"] as an int < 1364086846 123448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar things are tricky to do in statically typed languages < 1364086860 539795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make foo["bar"] a monoid < 1364086863 633215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's easy?? < 1364086909 420383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go AFK soon < 1364087137 275656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the goal is a statically typed sense of design in a more flexible environment than what static typing allows < 1364087137 732785 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Someone should have told SPJ et al. to make STM a monoid. They would have saved so much effort. < 1364087146 112864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that kind of type can be like it will be in an assembly language program that you have to keep track of the type by yourself, or how Forth often works < 1364087157 240828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Maybe they shouldn't been using the category of endofunctors!!!! < 1364087162 17657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, sure, pretty much < 1364087172 592267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, you can have casts and unions and so on < 1364087183 738990 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: an entire monoid? < 1364087210 520998 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: STM can't be a monoid; it's the wrong kind. < 1364087211 439015 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the problem isn't really static typing so much as being unable to express the type «a hashmap such that the «bar» entry is an int». < 1364087223 310678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I suspect ion knows that. < 1364087231 562634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hmm, true < 1364087242 793869 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the only obvious reasonable interpretation is to make "STM a" a monoid. < 1364087244 983004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamic typing can do it? The type of such a hashmap could contain a hashmap of types? < 1364087248 388700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think there is a Haskell extension (but not in GHC) allowing something similar to that? < 1364087249 472266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, not dynamic < 1364087258 404493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, though. < 1364087259 523226 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent < 1364087268 541473 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, in Smalltalk, it's impossible to determine the type of a value. < 1364087269 706426 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, probably. < 1364087292 627964 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, of course, most values will tell you their types if asked. < 1364087302 827800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's uncomputable then though (who cares) < 1364087307 206739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ion may be wanting a new kind of monoid < 1364087322 170970 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo trace monoids < 1364087323 223014 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monoid that isn't a set equipped with an identity element and an associative operation? < 1364087338 544841 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The misunderstanding results from you thinking in terms of the current STM implementation. They wouldn’t have needed to spend all that effort to make the current STM implementation if they’d just have made a monoid. Because monoids are easy. I love monoids. < 1364087370 978348 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: *nod* So you're not saying "make the STM type constructor into a monoid"; you're saying "implement software transactional memory using a monoid". < 1364087401 799529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shoudl really go afk < 1364087404 392556 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: alternately you could just use an explicit annotation, foo["bar"] :: Int or w/e < 1364087411 67219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, there is also Data.Extensible.Product which allows adding new fields to existing record types, although each field needs a type to label the field as well as the type of the values of the field, as well as needing a default value (which can depend on the constructor's value if necessary). < 1364087433 138302 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obvious to me how you'd make it a monoid. < 1364087433 193052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How is that? < 1364087438 235689 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but then there may be similar situations that might not be so amenable to such changing of things < 1364087451 517380 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is what. < 1364087460 284468 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It doesn’t matter. All that matters is that monoids are easy. Just ask shachaf and/or beaky. < 1364087462 484624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you missed a pun hth < 1364087475 548357 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: probably. now go afk. < 1364087484 291049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I mean :: Int or w/e how exactly would such an annotation work; what is w/e meaning? < 1364087485 683846 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mm. < 1364087486 758694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, oerjan's standards for puns are lower than I thought. < 1364087495 189091 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it? < 1364087501 611083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore < 1364087506 833822 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (foo["bar"] :: Int) or w/e < 1364087514 100110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If :: is an annotation, < 1364087525 888048 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love syntax < 1364087546 805400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my standards are not just lower than you imagine, they're lower than you _can_ imagine < 1364087548 504660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this the kind of annotation to specify the type of foo["bar"], what is the type of foo, then? < 1364087553 89703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to help. < 1364087574 992201 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps in that the accessed value is known to be an int which is what Sgeo asked for. < 1364087575 467165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you sure? < 1364087594 256776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, I suppose it does that, but it doesn't tell you what type foo is? < 1364087602 473165 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't < 1364087614 84383 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that important in this context < 1364087650 205536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: being sure would be setting the standard too high < 1364087675 598632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it should be a commutative monoid < 1364087705 843394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, right, OK then < 1364087759 580204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I was just making a stupid, tired joke based on a running gag that originated from #haskell. < 1364087776 923777 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, shachaf has deleted the file i would have linked. < 1364088244 710485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why did you have to apply a non-monoidal operation to the file? now you have made ion's life difficult. < 1364088539 33787 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364089823 926417 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just proved a language to be turing complete http://esolangs.org/wiki/0815 < 1364089847 5079 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this look valid to you guys, though! i have no idea about this stuff < 1364089854 706365 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the wiki blue < 1364089876 646086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo get an ssl certificate for esolangs.org < 1364089890 265708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's sad about all the spam < 1364089920 326709 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: lemme take a look. < 1364089940 167381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: feel free to give methe money for one < 1364089946 314463 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: why is the wiki logo three slices of lime < 1364089964 805852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What was that place that gave you free SSL certificates? < 1364089973 90720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: because graue saw the image and liked it < 1364089981 656424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it is a picture of the matrix of solidity < 1364090013 884286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote solidity < 1364090028 177295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1364090039 25639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote treederwright < 1364090042 269180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity < 1364090063 503679 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what < 1364090078 74543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he came in here asking about the rosicrucians < 1364090106 455307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1364090122 965705 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well, you say it's Turing-complete "when registers are unbounded", but they're not. < 1364090151 431935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://startssl.org/ ? < 1364090171 409487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we had another treederwright quote < 1364090173 731844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote do nothing < 1364090177 211698 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :121) Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? < 1364090192 135134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nooodl's proof is bunk for the language presented there < 1364090194 325457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the category is wrong < 1364090201 284779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can say that a trivial generalisation is TC < 1364090247 537161 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1364090250 851345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this looks like a lot of work < 1364090261 811622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sceptical of the whole WoT thing too < 1364090264 411941 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the wiki page mentions the queue itself being bounded by stuff < 1364090272 903042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo do the work?? < 1364090278 71429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1364090283 869713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1364090296 32464 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my current specification for Proce is kind of broken hth. < 1364090297 413314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I agree, using the queue would be OK < 1364090319 554659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo give me root access to your server and i'll do the work for you < 1364090323 128465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1364090371 974845 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i have an idea but i don't actually want to code the translations in this shitty esolang < 1364090379 57648 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be possible to implement something like a Minsky register machine in Proce by abusing the discreteness of it and doing something significant each time step. < 1364090405 281072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mediawiki doesn't have a simple way to generate a random number. my plan to make nooodl's user page title have a random number of "o"s in it is foiled < 1364090406 604855 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because of the "queue rotate" operators, the queue could essentially act as a pair of stacks < 1364090419 339610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rip < 1364090446 933892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364090457 611570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, istr there's a random choice function? < 1364090467 598582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might've been an extension though < 1364090489 69412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my plan to make oerjan an admin by not deleting spam has failed < 1364090508 675466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest we try kidnapping next < 1364090550 171506 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Proce. How can you store information? < 1364090581 481558 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use a signal to store an integer, but that sounds like it would be hard to read. And, for that matter, hard to write. < 1364090624 457336 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, better idea. Use a signal to store one single bit. < 1364090637 473675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: more spam to fix? < 1364090674 139669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appears to be a different spambot this time < 1364090696 468596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably not worth filtering < 1364090703 120595 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can easily do combinational logic. Sequential logic would be more difficult; how do you implement a clock and a latch? < 1364090706 897145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking I should just add some more CAPTCHAs after I get around to upgrading MW < 1364090711 480455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stopped them for several months < 1364090912 464736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: perhaps you can use a time function instead of a random one? < 1364090920 953640 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed the proof < 1364090992 325958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of representing registers on the queue as [3, 2], they're now represented in unary separated by 0, as [1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1] < 1364090993 480469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I considered that. but I also realised that DISPLAYTITLE doesn't let you do anything but change case in its default configuration, so I'd either have to mess with the MW configuration or write some CSS nonsense to do it. so I gave up. < 1364090995 160413 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. You can implement a latch using logic gates. < 1364091036 652673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: congratulate < 1364091079 948352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: startssl < 1364091113 538480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I found it. < 1364091122 811039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But elliott doesn't want to put a certificate on esolangs.org < 1364091136 278500 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i'm going through the List Of Esolangs, and < 1364091142 896935 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so much bad things :((( < 1364091202 435615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just a week till deadfish should be featured hth < 1364091214 333566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364091215 828699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 days < 1364091231 297587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an esolang whose syntax is SSL certificates < 1364091263 275423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we clearly need a ridiculous blurb for it, too < 1364091271 908182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we can just reuse the opening sentences of the article < 1364091283 399966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they perfectly encapsulate deadfish < 1364091298 853730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1364091308 113906 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. < 1364091310 585224 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML ///. < 1364091316 489991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a slight downside, in that anyone finding the wiki will immediately assume it only has the very worst esolangs < 1364091324 559411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, I don't care < 1364091338 424372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than the average BF deriv :) < 1364091351 711456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opening sentences aren't :P < 1364091414 154630 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :world, world, world! < 1364091470 740817 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Con-Text whaaaa < 1364091495 81604 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalent to C/C++ < 1364091498 855468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i suggest YOU write a loop in that hth < 1364091513 815561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaghetti con text < 1364091514 904482 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay s. I'll do that s. < 1364091534 335895 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assigning a value to the name of a function from within that function returns that value from the function (sounds complicated but it's the same as QBasic). < 1364091556 636724 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should remove all of the bad languages from the wiki. < 1364091580 282332 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has some unique idea or it's Brainfuck, keep it. Otherwise, toss it. < 1364091599 393695 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I guess Brainfuck is SeinfeldIsn'tFunny. < 1364091600 906746 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately no interpreter or compiler exists at the moment, as i am unable to create a parser to parse this horrendous language." do you even lift < 1364091611 21078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: brainfuck had a unique idea at the time < 1364091620 31833 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I just said. < 1364091725 65175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think maybe a bit from the "Why Deadfish" section might be included as well? < 1364091748 628167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Why "deadfish"? < 1364091776 748015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: perhaps we should just redirect the main page to the article. < 1364091793 554836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1364091859 848783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? < 1364091890 240208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :What "this" is "this"? < 1364091892 797565 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Con-Text. It's pretty boxbot. < 1364091909 562939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxbot? < 1364091916 365753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google boxbot < 1364091917 506178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gunnerkrigg.wikia.com/wiki/Boxbot < 1364091917 615468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Boxbot - Gunnerkrigg Court Wiki < 1364092192 759823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, the IOU thing for 99 bottles of beer is somewhat amusing\ < 1364092238 805113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a language called Vorpal. < 1364092242 229661 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :proved golfscript to be TC, too "i'm on a roll" < 1364092242 274300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you a language? < 1364092254 636227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: golfscript literally has an eval ruby instruction < 1364092272 420698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364092305 980374 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, actually! you can eval ruby expressions because of how string interpolation works though < 1364092317 352345 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already like this system < 1364092345 59866 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i don't think you can make a program that takes ruby code as input and evals it < 1364092361 611421 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway my proof is almost as easy, thanks underload for existing < 1364092373 384359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderload < 1364092408 18255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that needs to go above external resources hth < 1364092422 636589 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how the hell is it down there < 1364092569 930074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got lost < 1364092692 492284 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this-is-going-to-lose-badly-isnt-it ((((>[-.-+-.-+-.-+-.-+-.-+-.-+-.-+-.-.-.-.+-.+.+-.+.])*7.)*-1)*-1)*6 < 1364092704 48313 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_this-is-going-to-lose-badly-isnt-it: 7.5 < 1364092706 990187 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1364092745 982326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: don't you get underload a too as ` ? < 1364092787 86794 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... yeah, probably < 1364092794 477980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does that mix well with + < 1364092809 252172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know golfscript, is just reading the instruction list
< 1364092818 303081 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's weird coercion rules < 1364092822 444483 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably break < 1364092834 246578 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do {:X;{X}}:a; < 1364092861 503372 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, that subset's already TC so why bother < 1364092901 990125 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does something that clears, err.. so inefficiently do better than 1.0 or something < 1364092919 725123 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inefficient-clear (>[-(.)*5])*-1 < 1364092924 23583 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_inefficient-clear: 9.3 < 1364092929 101541 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inefficientest-clear < < 1364092931 751422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for nooodl_inefficientest-clear: 0.0 < 1364092936 973878 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust inefficient-clear (>[-(.)*10])*-1 < 1364092939 651048 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_inefficient-clear: 7.3 < 1364092944 166864 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION boggles
< 1364092974 134826 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364093010 986305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy . < 1364093013 712510 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_lazy: 3.7 < 1364093030 478261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy -. < 1364093033 171378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_lazy: 3.7 < 1364093042 703976 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust less-lazy >+< < 1364093045 388883 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_less-lazy: 1.0 < 1364093050 637821 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird how this hill wokrs. < 1364093053 284301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :works* < 1364093072 388761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust nonstrct [>[>.[.+]<+]<] < 1364093076 103557 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_nonstrct: 3.7 < 1364093077 445458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy ->+ < 1364093080 116718 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_lazy: 1.0 < 1364093095 521770 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wtf (-)*126 < 1364093097 676896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: seems like a decoy makes it worse :P < 1364093100 46217 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_wtf: 6.9 < 1364093105 646689 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1364093108 949439 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hill is insane < 1364093114 294687 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wtfer (-)*127 < 1364093116 912393 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_wtfer: 6.9 < 1364093127 329907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn the rules. < 1364093130 583321 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wtfest (-)*128 < 1364093133 745346 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_wtfest: 5.5 < 1364093214 952006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: OKAY < 1364093234 727684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi < 1364093234 964309 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1364093239 448558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi () < 1364093242 253991 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf_hi: 3.7 < 1364093246 574231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust weird (-)*128>+ < 1364093249 352116 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_weird: 5.5 < 1364093259 998860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust weird >+<(-)*128 < 1364093262 697210 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_weird: 2.7 < 1364093279 340370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust weird >+<(-)*127 < 1364093283 1270 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_weird: 4.2 < 1364093293 792957 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.text helloworld < 1364093305 546016 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it .bftext or something < 1364093309 252092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1364093309 636560 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1364093335 476316 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi ++++++++[>+>++>+++>++++>+++++>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++++>++++++++++++++>+++++++++++++++>++++++++++++++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-]>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>+.-<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>.<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-.+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>++.--<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>----.++++<<<<<<<<<<<<<. < 1364093336 418620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's !bf_txtgen < 1364093338 114618 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hi: 0.0 < 1364093345 208272 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen hi world < 1364093349 226856 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​93 ++++++++[>+>+++++++++++++>++++><<<<-]>>.+.>.<++++++++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.<++. [208] < 1364093356 600011 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hi ++++++++[>+>+++++++++++++>++++><<<<-]>>.+.>.<++++++++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.<++. < 1364093359 427671 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hi: 1.3 < 1364093363 926752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you noticed that #haskell is pretty awful most of the time? < 1364093416 245986 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen i hate you hill < 1364093417 616671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't tend to notice things i cannot see because i'm not there < 1364093419 165061 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​128 +++++++++++[>+>++++++++++>+++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>-----.>-.<-.-------.>>++++++.<<++++.>.>+++++.----------.++++++.<.<+++.+.+++..<-. [221] < 1364093426 191763 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hate +++++++++++[>+>++++++++++>+++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>-----.>-.<-.-------.>>++++++.<<++++.>.>+++++.----------.++++++.<.<+++.+.+++..<-. < 1364093428 893830 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hate: 0.0 < 1364093430 132761 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I stop being silly? :p < 1364093435 799301 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa you haven't banned beaky < 1364093478 73557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust love (-)*128([-])*-1 < 1364093480 903536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_love: 7.1 < 1364093494 385621 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a challenge. < 1364093501 699884 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this code. < 1364093506 410232 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a program that prints "Hello world" when executed as normal Brainfuck. < 1364093513 997712 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gets at least a 30 on the hill in bfjoust. < 1364093519 295920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why did you leave? < 1364093523 957083 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(n, _)] -> if neg == eq then go xs False eq lhs (sum + n) else go xs False eq lhs (sum - n) < 1364093541 485267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a challence, Lymia: write a program that gets at least a 30 on the hill in bfjoust < 1364093549 983106 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, :p < 1364093580 605875 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364093793 499460 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364093862 129563 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between "score" and "points" at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt ? < 1364093952 627613 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :score goes through some algorithm < 1364093955 167477 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :points is raw win/lose < 1364093972 723735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :score is just your victories weighted by points < 1364093980 53669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., you get more for winning against a higher-point opponent < 1364094001 37698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like sprunge has now added a slight variant of a bookmarklet I have made for use with sprunge. < 1364094030 407453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364094031 822849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364094032 957328 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for being slow < 1364094047 515487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You missed the olist update. < 1364094053 152518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to step up. < 1364094067 975153 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 881 or 882? < 1364094074 180378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an 882? < 1364094084 118118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :881 < 1364094119 393626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEFERI: 38) NEPETA: :33 < 1364094153 606573 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1364094167 904585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: why is your "hate" program not in that file? < 1364094205 163050 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's off the hill < 1364094208 257430 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it sucks < 1364094216 459338 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364094233 90939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < hi < 1364094241 182769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < I'm not very good at this. < 1364094257 766930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: well Oerjan's "love" is on the hill < 1364094267 382766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it basically commits suicide as fast as possible < 1364094284 531950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: < is faster < 1364094295 244526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1364094295 748395 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, because it was the first one. < 1364094304 807364 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1364094306 35485 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last one < 1364094309 37030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust :33 < hi < 1364094309 201066 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always on the hill < 1364094311 663807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it's the challenger < 1364094311 772293 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for shachaf__33: 0.0 < 1364094346 840474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1364094355 316728 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364094357 774041 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1364094360 415514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goon date < 1364094365 494837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there really are only 47 programs on the hill? < 1364094382 420662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did oerjan just left to go on a date? < 1364094388 594861 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/left/leave < 1364094508 478773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust almost_straigtht (+>->)*10([-]>)*-1 < 1364094511 9014 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_almost_straigtht: 0.0 < 1364094519 997152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1364094538 996950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1364094544 937553 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust almost_straigtht (+>->)*5([-]>)*-1 < 1364094547 550311 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_almost_straigtht: 14.8 < 1364094585 346144 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to see if it would be cool to have a language where the program is on a hyperbolic space (so a hyperbolic version of befunge) < 1364094596 183783 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rule-of-eight (+>->)*4([-]>)*-1 < 1364094598 722943 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_rule-of-eight: 14.9 < 1364094606 629559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, try < 1364094607 146733 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem: the space grows exponentially as you grow away from the center < 1364094612 215037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that idea too < 1364094619 703 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem more like opportunity < 1364094626 501708 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, you can't make a square grid there, can you? < 1364094635 724553 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the following rules for a 6:4 space < 1364094650 185857 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c (center) -> adadadadadad < 1364094664 964607 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a (adjacent) -> adada < 1364094674 920656 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :d (diagonal) -> adadada < 1364094699 751048 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you just kicked Taneb's magic off the hill < 1364094723 394911 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each time you run the rule it generates a new "ring" around the previous layer < 1364094727 661651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about Verilog programming? I wrote a Verilog code but I don't know if it is a good code < 1364094730 966805 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flag-is-not-a-decoy (>+>-)*4([-]>)*-1 < 1364094732 312386 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ring expands really fast < 1364094734 679388 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flag-is-not-a-decoy: 5.7 < 1364094735 701473 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flag-is-not-a-decoy (>+>-)*4(>[-])*-1 < 1364094738 385069 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flag-is-not-a-decoy: 16.4 < 1364094746 83918 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo : no but I wanna look at it anyways < 1364094759 133315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: http://sprunge.us/MEOK < 1364094766 239309 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wee-more-than-one-flag-size >++++>---->+++>--->++>-->+>-(>[-])*-1 < 1364094769 284660 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_wee-more-than-one-flag-size: 15.0 < 1364094808 277300 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys-are-indeed-a-thing (>++>-->+>-)*2(>[-[++[-]]])*-1 < 1364094810 983283 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_decoys-are-indeed-a-thing: 12.5 < 1364094814 834074 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah :p < 1364094822 941731 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys-are-indeed-a-thing (>+>->+>-)*2(>[-[++[-]]])*-1 < 1364094825 556422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_decoys-are-indeed-a-thing: 14.1 < 1364094861 924051 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys-are-indeed-a-thing (>+>->>+)*2(>[--]])*-1 < 1364094864 504894 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_decoys-are-indeed-a-thing: 0.0 < 1364094866 760751 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys-are-indeed-a-thing (>+>->>+)*2(>[-[-]])*-1 < 1364094869 408066 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_decoys-are-indeed-a-thing: 13.5 < 1364094878 696194 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust decoys-are-indeed-a-thing (>+>->>+)*2(>[+[-]])*-1 < 1364094881 424549 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_decoys-are-indeed-a-thing: 16.1 < 1364094895 186166 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno why +[-] and -[-] are so different < 1364094913 506698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you're on a 0 < 1364094917 241801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you add 1 < 1364094920 406723 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then [-] < 1364094928 126854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes one iteration to come back to 0 < 1364094931 3627 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : looks like a sound chip, does it have variable brightness? :D < 1364094937 359904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're on a 0 and you take 1 < 1364094946 9008 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364094952 86385 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then [-]... that takes 256 or so iterations to come back < 1364094957 539583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Brightness? < 1364094980 413883 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*8(>[+[-]]>[-[+]])*-1 < 1364094983 85875 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 13.2 < 1364094985 647959 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though [-[-]] is a little redundant; when the first ] finally doesn't trigger, the second won't either < 1364094990 754546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It is meant to be a sound chip, though. < 1364095000 17961 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*4++(>)*4(>[+[-]]>[-[+]])*-1 < 1364095002 663665 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 14.8 < 1364095010 373451 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*4++>-(>)*3(>[+[-]]>[-[+]])*-1 < 1364095013 35514 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 16.6 < 1364095037 431903 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*4++>-(>)*3(>[(+)*5[-]]>[(-)*5[+]])*-1 < 1364095040 78051 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 20.8 < 1364095045 532246 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo : yeah, like a way to get brighter or less bright waveforms < 1364095067 191754 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*4++>-(>)*3(>[(+)*5[-]])*-1 < 1364095070 217403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 19.8 < 1364095079 432633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know exactly what that means, though. < 1364095080 957198 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[(+)*5[-]]>[(-)*5[+]])*-1 < 1364095083 614688 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 20.0 < 1364095092 171531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: is this evolved? or generated by hand? < 1364095096 501390 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generated by hand. < 1364095101 212753 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on the casio CZ synths they simply did it by having wave morphing between a sine wave and a bright waveform like a saw wave or square wave etc < 1364095116 407269 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm probs going to overhaul how the evolver works soon. < 1364095118 92796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: [-[-]] avoids getting tricked off the end by defence programs < 1364095123 105538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they'll probably just lock it instead < 1364095142 725995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that different from [-] ? < 1364095146 568433 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can control the brightness of the waveform by making it more like a sine (less bright) or more like the selected wave (more bright) < 1364095149 907495 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it needs to produce an activation to make loops and repeats. < 1364095157 873488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: This one only has square waves and saw waves and noise, and you can have mixtures of square waves < 1364095159 519794 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty sucky at making stuff with lots of repeats. < 1364095166 914914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it tests if it's zero a second time < 1364095167 716729 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It made the code simpler, but, clearly doesn't help. < 1364095190 894942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20.0 is pretty good < 1364095196 930416 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's not evolved though. < 1364095197 726695 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: or in FM synths you can vary the brightness by changing the modulation depth (volume of the modulator) < 1364095200 751124 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The evolver's max is ~18 < 1364095200 806247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK, now I can understand what you mean, but this program doesn't implement sine waves, so it is unlikely to have such thing. < 1364095201 373297 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1364095204 411160 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a vibrator pattern < 1364095227 91707 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: in analog synthesis you can do it by adding a filter and adjusting the filter cutoff < 1364095252 791166 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_run >>+>->>>>>>([-])*-1 < 1364095256 306180 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_just_run: 0.3 < 1364095266 936588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :running not good then < 1364095271 48168 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-dont-think-i-should-have-the-forever-loop-type (.-+)*-1 < 1364095274 744849 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_i-dont-think-i-should-have-the-forever-loop-type: 11.9 < 1364095285 498393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK. I can understand those things, but they are different things, I think. I have worked with all of these things, in Csound and otherwise < 1364095286 550255 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : doesn't need to have sine wave, you can also do it with triangle wave morph < 1364095300 665229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that only handles one tape length < 1364095311 246205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1364095319 715469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust just_run >>+>->>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364095322 289339 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_just_run: 16.3 < 1364095326 628600 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1364095335 355793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Still, I am not exactly sure how that would be done here. < 1364095339 74163 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[(+)*8[-[-]]]>[(-)*8[+[+]]])*-1 < 1364095341 749367 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 17.1 < 1364095346 399424 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : oh, I know < 1364095348 721349 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]])*-1 < 1364095351 346786 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 20.5 < 1364095353 877306 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have 2 period registers < 1364095355 19974 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3[>](>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]])*-1 < 1364095357 150954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does your "defend7" program do? < 1364095357 761475 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 15.4 < 1364095358 569476 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just 1 < 1364095375 579945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's just a lock program < 1364095381 260367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read about them on http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1364095382 196164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[>(>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]])*-1])*-1 < 1364095384 43024 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then have one period register used for a part of the waveform, and the other one used for the other part < 1364095384 901456 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.2 < 1364095398 374468 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and a triangle wave waveform < 1364095409 740325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: O, OK, I guess I understand you now < 1364095412 40459 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will get you easy morphing between triangle wave and saw wave < 1364095420 871022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can understand that now. < 1364095431 882323 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah. < 1364095440 630224 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect my problem is that some /decent/ but not /good/ things are too easy to create < 1364095445 845381 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust whatsthedifference >>+>->>>>>>([-[-]]>)*-1 < 1364095448 649801 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_whatsthedifference: 14.0 < 1364095461 478099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :running better! < 1364095463 448506 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing the less-than-good results < 1364095473 977533 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : variable brightness is awesome. You should try to have it. < 1364095506 329225 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the evolver's currently going up rarely in very large steps too. I suspect this is a symptom of something seriously wrong, since, this is clearly not what it should do < 1364095512 329067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I suppose it could be implemented, but not with what I have now; it would require a different kind of implementation entirely, I think. < 1364095533 720746 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely, if ever, see gradual improvement < 1364095576 17667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently whatsthedifference got a win against omnipotence < 1364095579 722223 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's probs just as symptom of a not-very-smooth fitness landscape. < 1364095590 406576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: most of the top programs have weaknesses < 1364095591 60838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tie I mean < 1364095608 199118 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think of this. < 1364095614 18814 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take /all/ past programs on the hill. < 1364095620 297899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be a lot of bad ones < 1364095623 844595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an interesting idea < 1364095625 846027 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run an evaluation on the hill, and, take the top, like, 150 programs. < 1364095638 520868 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: I think it would be easy to just select between two period registers < 1364095639 821759 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't have such a small sample-- which might be causing some of the issue. < 1364095644 123896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluating the whole thing would take a while < 1364095652 752765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but feel free to go for it, the results would be interesting in their own right < 1364095655 70501 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1364095657 813103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might want to insist on unique names < 1364095664 871210 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*8(>[-])*-1 < 1364095666 251902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't get 10 slightly different copies of the same program < 1364095668 526648 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evaluate it against that first. < 1364095674 21033 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And weed out the worst there before doing the full test < 1364095692 804344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I think it would not be too difficult, it just isn't what this one implements; one of the channels could be changed into the one like that, though, I suppose. < 1364095712 445912 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I honestly don't know how to do the hg magic needed for that < 1364095734 352289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they could be all changed but it would then be entirely different < 1364095748 909684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: you do it afterwards, I guess < 1364095755 44777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at hg either, though < 1364095764 482076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't evaluate it against a rush like that, I think < 1364095772 178411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's many viable strategies that would lose against it < 1364095778 775333 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1364095787 533799 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some weeder to take out the ones that's not worth the time evaluating < 1364095791 746280 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that's an O(n^2) operation < 1364095799 882239 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For n that could easily be >1000 < 1364095815 35901 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1364095815 467285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can test them against an empty program < 1364095827 517501 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could produce a function Similarity(P, P2) < 1364095833 848078 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, group all similar enough programs together. < 1364095841 427548 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do a hill on each of those, taking the best < 1364095843 955603 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before doing the big hill. < 1364095857 169078 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be able to get good representatives of all strategies < 1364095878 408403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: the best in a group of similar program will not necessarily be the best at handling different programs < 1364095890 507914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1364095900 771699 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could always do it versus the current hill instead < 1364095910 386470 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since people often submit lots of similar programs. < 1364095922 178539 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reducing those to a few better representitives would be nice. < 1364095924 188321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1364095988 498082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also select random opponents and have every program play 100 battles instead of 1000 < 1364096055 867851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can do that in several rounds - during the first round they have fewer opponents, but less programs are discarded) < 1364096088 860615 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh~ < 1364096091 157470 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw data extraction first < 1364096181 654059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I don't know how Casio CZ synthesizer works; do you know how to make an emulation of it in Csound or whatever? < 1364096253 236347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a picture of Casio CZ synthesizer in Wikipedia < 1364096307 153098 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364096314 855494 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CZ reads a sine wave table < 1364096355 543372 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead of reading the table linearly it messes up the read index so that part of the waveform lasts longer and part of the waveform lasts shorter < 1364096402 739166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing like that is easily made in Csound. < 1364096408 523565 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 6 different patterns for that (saw, saw2, square, imuplse, double impulse, osc sync) < 1364096431 910529 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :internally it combines two different patterns < 1364096456 760474 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do saw+square and it alternates between saw,square,saw,square,saw,square,etc... < 1364096484 605018 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how it generates pulse-wave-like waveforms like saxophone and guitars etc < 1364096530 459447 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has windowing (which is really ring modulation) to remove the buzzing edge out of the osc sync, and it does resonant waveforms this way < 1364096575 969926 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it had a divider in hardware to do it though < 1364096590 961495 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096593 587379 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 23.0 < 1364096607 454684 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[>(>[(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]])*-1])*-1 < 1364096610 106557 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.2 < 1364096612 950683 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1364096622 659792 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[>>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096625 371597 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 18.6 < 1364096629 791568 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*2>->++>-(>)*3(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096632 337608 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.2 < 1364096635 523965 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess decoys tend to come duplicate? < 1364096651 371860 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*3>->++>-(>)*2(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096654 116556 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.3 < 1364096664 893550 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*3>(-)*10>(+)*10>-(>)*2(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096667 597102 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 23.3 < 1364096683 538742 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>>>--->(+)*17>->>(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096686 349551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 21.0 < 1364096694 872146 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>>>->++>->>(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096697 696878 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.3 < 1364096703 871870 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>>>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096706 537922 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.9 < 1364096763 300398 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>>>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*5[-]]>[(-)*5[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096765 934374 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.6 < 1364096769 315192 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>>>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*10[-]]>[(-)*10[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096771 959274 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 26.9 < 1364096788 215415 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>[(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096790 877649 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.4 < 1364096810 964814 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :An evolver that actually /works right/ would be useful... < 1364096812 703707 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hixivop < 1364096854 671657 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow [[>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-][-]+] < 1364096857 349553 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for madbr_flow: 0.0 < 1364096896 930740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1364096901 397208 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[--+]]>[(-)*8[++-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096904 168085 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 14.0 < 1364096911 374066 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096911 592368 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :hixivop < 1364096913 904148 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.2 < 1364096916 426199 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(-)*8[+]]>[(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096919 205169 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.5 < 1364096923 237188 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Rubicon machine. < 1364096925 340803 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(-)*8[+]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096927 980923 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.7 < 1364096929 506725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very close to 30 there < 1364096943 860544 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096946 909880 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.2 < 1364096963 396743 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange how the polarity is a .5 point difference < 1364096995 636909 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364096998 569403 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 25.3 < 1364097003 945317 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364097006 703712 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 21.4 < 1364097015 710525 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting curious now. < 1364097023 134665 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is 2 the "magic number" for skipping decoys, apparently < 1364097029 683855 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this is a flood :o < 1364097033 925946 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1 < 1364097036 600340 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 17.8 < 1364097048 332253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phase distortion could be done with Csound using the phasor and table reading opcodes, I guess. < 1364097079 205028 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: you could do it with just triangle wave and distortion and ringmod for the saw wave < 1364097119 865381 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, clipped triangle wave + sin() distortion = phase distortion square wave < 1364097139 825754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK, I can understand. < 1364097164 257279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no intention to add such things into my sound chip program today, though; but another day I might change things < 1364097168 877492 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of other ways to do it < 1364097198 414718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even don't know if this Verilog code I wrote is a good way to write a Verilog code. < 1364097219 119732 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really just about making the waveform less static by making it change, emulating the natural brightness modulation in real instruments, and making the saw/square wave bite less < 1364097226 803719 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any method is good :D < 1364097233 16789 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe crossfade < 1364097329 893566 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though crossfade -> distortion table probably works < 1364097622 898859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command for Casio SZ phase distortion is "pdhalf" < 1364097653 654155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distortion amount can be adjusted at k-rate. < 1364097700 361498 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364097722 210425 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general principle is that you take any waveform and you change the duration of individual parts < 1364097761 514450 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you reduce down the duration of an edge, it gets sharper and sharper so that your wawe becomes progressively brighter < 1364097796 155379 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do it on resonance waveforms, which gives an effect not quite unlike filter resonance :3 < 1364097829 635255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1364097905 891295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGM doesn't have these features, although it does have FM synthesis. < 1364097916 560547 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah FM synthesis is close to that < 1364097947 620262 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice you can do multiple FM oscillators from a single real oscillator < 1364097965 661047 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the frequencies are locked at harmonics like on the opl2/opl3 < 1364098000 899216 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and feedback gives you an effect very very close to saw wave <-> sine wave morph < 1364098014 411814 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tilting the waveform essentially) < 1364098130 441598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPL3 allows four operators in series (three modulators), and one of its waveforms is a square wave, and all the operators can have their own envelope, tremolo vibrato < 1364098140 460906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPL3 sounds like a license name < 1364098161 424723 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real chip name is ymf-262 but that's just a bunch of numbers < 1364098164 665612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also OPN and OPX; OPX is not currently supported in VGMCK though (but it might be the next one I add) < 1364098414 235810 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently unpacking the entire repository < 1364098462 283558 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: do you think we all have some kind of formatting in our brain that make us set more decoys on even cells or something? < 1364098472 215621 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading up on OPX... looks really strange < 1364098505 518334 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1364099136 217861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes with chips having square wave, duty envelope is used to change the duty cycle over time < 1364099192 564661 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only seen that on some roland synths (juno series, and I think jupiter 8) < 1364099206 662916 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on c64 they do it in software ofc :D < 1364099316 91367 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364099323 274109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1364099328 317095 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca NICK :zzo38 < 1364099354 308472 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364099358 418959 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you know the opl3 can do pulse width modulation? :D < 1364099399 585876 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the square wave as waveform for both the carrier and the modulator... it sounds pretty massive too < 1364099495 246466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it might do something like that < 1364099500 324938 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1364099793 50292 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364100262 118331 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364100328 943839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcDshWmhF4A < 1364100334 268649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding machine made of wood and marbles < 1364100412 130953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find this video of me < 1364100422 962960 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn a thing or two, babbage < 1364100471 384046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy really likes the word shall < 1364100489 757257 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all mathy right < 1364100522 977779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas we have constructed an adding machine, and whereas it is made out of wood and marbles, therefore let it hereby be declared that it shall be tested out < 1364100549 556650 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily, that sounds pretty rad. < 1364100668 127796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this video is ancient < 1364100732 397684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube existed in 2007?! < 1364100896 921239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it existed in 2005 < 1364100913 364113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"viral videos" were a thing in 2006 already Bike!!!! < 1364100955 163361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man in 2006 i wasn't even alive < 1364100960 792606 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes u think < 1364100978 723892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking < 1364100999 786020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you come up with some new fucking captchas for the fucking wiki < 1364101068 536428 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12780151/wormprogramming.jpg how about this < 1364101107 736891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1364101139 397875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a time when YouTube was an independent company hemhorraging venture capital, rather than a money sink for Google ad revenue < 1364101176 131417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone remember how goofy youtube looked in like 2006 < 1364101183 320240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the buttons were huge < 1364101217 20340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, most of the pictures I have online are very silly, and probably not suited for robot discrimination. < 1364101297 134474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you should really register for the wiki and you'll discover an embarrassing fact that makes you look silly right now < 1364101340 788605 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the blue thing < 1364101418 288565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's... our captchas are text < 1364101425 607698 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i knew that < 1364101434 94916 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to just... look at my pictures... and stuff. < 1364101443 19826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok Bike. i am self-centred too < 1364101456 302705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make your own music with OPL3 in VGM format, I think you would need to use either VGMCK or DOSBox+AdLib Tracker+dro2vgm < 1364101461 868977 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe u have more in common with bikes then u thot. < 1364101729 659622 :Mucho!~hiimryan3@216.186.174.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364102210 132453 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo : yeah I just use adlib tracker 2 and record to mp3 straight from the soundcard jack < 1364102576 488199 :SDr!~ask@unaffiliated/sdr QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1364102710 728049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any of them in VGM format though? < 1364102794 870213 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nops < 1364103064 891995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a documentation of the format I could make the converter directly from Adlib Tracker 2 into VGM < 1364103080 498635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without requiring DOSBox < 1364103118 442105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Mucho < 1364103120 10868 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mucho: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1364103256 917870 :Mucho!~hiimryan3@216.186.174.135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1364103267 824620 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364103783 645936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how come spambots can solve our captchas < 1364103797 281368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by getting humans to do it for them < 1364103802 952050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe people manually do it! < 1364103811 880378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not necessarily spambots. < 1364103820 299800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans can be spambots. < 1364103822 420460 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think. Somewhere in the world, there's a porn site that applies its captcha solutions directly to the esolang wiki. < 1364103823 760270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erf < 1364103848 439692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now humans are working for spambots? < 1364103853 895567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some kind of mechanical turk / sweatshop type deal seems more plausible here < 1364103864 552757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solely because i cannot imagine someone looking up esolang information for porn < 1364103866 796269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the spam protection on Pin Eight and NESdev, which they say works better. < 1364103871 144799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you actually have to click a link and read a paragraph to solve them < 1364103878 744650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes captcha solving is a traded commodity < 1364103881 963985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen papers on it < 1364103889 88250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you're overestimating people looking for porn. < 1364103890 25991 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are some... porn or warez sites where they fish up some captchas and you have to solve one to get your porn < 1364103911 755200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was looking for porn i would seriously not want to click a link and learn about intercal < 1364103919 184947 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how much they generate tho < 1364103928 790208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can buy it 100% for graphical captchas and stuff though < 1364103945 197141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're single-handledly introducing theoretical computer science to the porn-droning masses, yo. < 1364103957 249777 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so it's actually really a human tricked into servicing a spambot < 1364103964 735500 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S FREAKY < 1364103965 543503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~savage/papers/UsenixSec10.pdf paper about the captcha solving market < 1364103974 519606 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: have you never heard of artificial artificial intelligence < 1364103975 227994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: there are both, some people are paid to break them, some people are tricked < 1364103994 637521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these researchers bought captcha-breaking services in order to study the market < 1364103997 353530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never look for porn, and hardly ever for warez, but I am OK to learn INTERCAL to do it. < 1364104010 628228 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, elliott? < 1364104013 234786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kinda sorry for the people being paid to do it < 1364104026 834702 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what about all those who aren't < 1364104038 46326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we should say "psst, if you're getting paid for this, put this codeword in and we'll register an account and silently hide the edits it makes" < 1364104042 5090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that a lot of chinese oil rig workers are also WoW gold farmers < 1364104056 179234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they have enough english reading comprehension to answer the questions in the first place < 1364104057 191365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this provides a great way to get malware onto oil rig systems < 1364104063 60375 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I read a short story about that once. As you might expect it was a bit depressing < 1364104066 826531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha oh shit < 1364104071 925878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is a nasty can of worms < 1364104073 40684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hacking oil rigs as a humanitarian measure < 1364104116 359674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of industrial systems are controlled from a Java applet running in IE6 on some desktop that some guy is also using to browse Facebook and look at porn < 1364104128 703720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea that these systems aren't connected to the Internet is basically a total lie < 1364104259 84149 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if YOU don't do something soon, when Asimov's robot apocalypse finally comes, robots are gonna use humans as human shields against humans < 1364104285 565121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ok. < 1364104304 480130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you kill geryon yet < 1364104346 40914 :Mucho!~hiimryan3@216.186.174.135 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1364104354 309984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what else is listed on the shady version of MTurk < 1364104373 365651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think you accidentally sent that to the wrong channel < 1364104421 920094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric "the wrong channel" -- elliott < 1364104422 14623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that MTurk isn't shady, but they tend to shut down tasks like "go to this restaurant's Yelp page and write that you found a rat turd in your salad" < 1364104702 308644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do think the spam is partially automated, see if the server logs indicate the referer or user-agents or whatever else < 1364104707 239203 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364105194 106584 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364105898 23478 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364105930 125771 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1364106198 291777 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1364107329 87059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the spam filter on Pin Eight works much better, without any false positive either < 1364109905 7968 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :weee < 1364109906 65285 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft left me with 3GB in swap < 1364109908 156776 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x;!! < 1364110438 562896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf it's half past seven < 1364110439 592967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte < 1364110442 220953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-t < 1364111203 155369 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test-- < < 1364111212 97605 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_test--: 0.0 < 1364111773 611390 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/listing.txt < 1364111780 750678 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION made a list of every bfjoust program EgoBot ever saw
< 1364111802 56044 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364111953 300977 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :8675 unique programs < 1364111956 414301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including formatting variants < 1364112004 666 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust did-people-really-do-this-before!?!? http://google.com/ < 1364112007 290475 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_did-people-really-do-this-before____: 0.0 < 1364112030 242639 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364112034 130026 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.2 < 1364112036 25283 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1364112036 394288 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1364112535 574492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think most websites have a large possibility of starting with a <. < 1364112549 207849 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1364112620 694430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you should run through one tournament on a hill containing all your 8675 individual programs. < 1364112665 380462 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 8675^2 executions < 1364112672 120642 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need to filter the ones that no longer parse under gearlance out < 1364112699 903908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not; you don't need to run programs against themselves. < 1364112739 74033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's somewhere around 8675*8674/2*2*21 individual bouts or so; all pairs, two polarities, 21 tape lengths. < 1364112814 317631 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm. < 1364112815 639564 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That list < 1364112825 980387 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That list basically already filters repeats-- oh. < 1364112830 112778 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1364112832 316635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeats++ < 1364112836 511298 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically executions < 1364112845 970466 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :8675^2 executions* < 1364112905 443963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say it's O(n^2) executions, I'dn't've pedantic'd about that. < 1364112941 89933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope you can turn "I wouldn't have" into "I'dn't've"?) < 1364113048 346211 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/37093/1fb818f41450b12966ca91326be5b03e < 1364113049 796681 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for fun < 1364113096 968347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1364113152 329275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the egojoust "security hole" of you being able to replace foo's program bar_baz by changing nick to foo_bar and submitting a baz. < 1364113281 103824 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders
< 1364113288 610139 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb does-this-still-work %% < 1364113385 44691 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_does-this-still-work: 0.0 < 1364113857 525866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Speaking of which, I sort-of fixed the (()*-1)*-1 time-wasting problem. (Loops with no "real" instruction are modified so that the repeat count becomes 0; and there had long been a bit that removed 0-repeat loops completely.) < 1364113879 189447 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper$ cat collected/11234:david_werecat_freeze < 1364113879 314897 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :( < 1364113879 359656 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric : Canonical name: 11234:david_werecat_freeze < 1364113879 359824 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :)*0 < 1364113879 359935 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((((((((()*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1)*-1 < 1364113882 811016 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clap clap clap
< 1364113885 239004 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And guess what I found < 1364113897 371146 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364113899 329211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it turned out that last bit had a problem in that (a{b}c)%0 turned into "" and not a "b".) < 1364113924 44434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I didn't know it had been done. < 1364114200 757690 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/37094/fcf7aaf9d09dbcb09edd93445c468074 < 1364114339 959768 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end < 1364114342 607781 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 8496 programs < 1364114350 924571 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That run under gearlance and do not attempt to crash it < 1364114472 720810 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have 1515643920 executions to do for the tournament < 1364114515 695964 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current egostats page says "Simulated a total of 343748958 cycles in 45402 individual jousts for 1081 duels" -- that's 1081 from 47*46/2 -- so extrapolating from that you'd run 36086760 duels with 1515643920 jousts and around 11475287833114 cycles. < 1364114521 972739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might take a moment. < 1364114560 528700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, that's just 2^43 or so. < 1364114563 892475 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set up a distributed system so everybody on the channel can help. < 1364114576 246029 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2467M CPU @ 1.60GHz < 1364114579 70286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy up the whole of EC2, that would also help. < 1364114612 179409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't benchmarked approximate bfjoust-cycles/unit-of-time numbers out of gearlance. < 1364114622 476100 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :11475287833114÷(1.60×1000×1000×1000) = 7172.054895696 seconds < 1364114642 367518 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving approximately 2 hours of CPU time at 1.60GHz < 1364114645 705138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite that fast, I can tell you that. < 1364114646 3167 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do one BF Joust cycle in one CPU cycle? < 1364114654 888499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not with gearlance, at least. < 1364114661 444193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1364114666 742490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can write a VAX instruction that does that? X3 < 1364114666 852173 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might need to use chainlance < 1364114680 960338 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is gearlance or chainlance faster? < 1364114688 405526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gearlance. < 1364114716 359295 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 4 cores, so. < 1364114720 230385 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to best on taking no more than 2 hours < 1364114724 171443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chainlance's code generation was (IIRC) kind of naive, and anyway there's that whole "two programs with synchromized execution" thing which sort-of limits optimilization opportunities. < 1364114724 216106 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless those stats are super-inaccurate < 1364114762 293176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you that it takes me somewhere around 16 seconds to run those 343748958 cycles of the current hill. < 1364114796 82532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would mean around 148 hours for 11475287833114. < 1364114835 836261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was on a single core of an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+", which isn't exactly the modernest thing around. < 1364114920 926626 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the clock speed of that? < 1364114943 56528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.8 GHz, I think. < 1364114947 173467 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then... < 1364114966 77479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not just about clock speeds, you know. < 1364114991 861813 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper/final/chainlance/vis$ ./crank_hill.sh ../../programs/* | pv > results.txt < 1364115001 544237 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm generating 1MB/s of data < 1364115031 481389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might want to compress that < 1364115031 646919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... I'm pretty sure you can't run the egostats graph pages on a hill of 8496 programs in any reasonable way. < 1364115093 180388 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :9460 challenges so far < 1364115103 418150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :results.txt out of the normal hill is about 14 megabytes; extrapolating again, you should end up with a 500 gigabyte results.txt. < 1364115158 712587 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364115159 666232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're over quarter of a thousandth of the way there. < 1364115162 371717 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 163M Mar 24 03:52 results.txt < 1364115162 520515 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :13598 < 1364115177 785136 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving roughly 5534x more challenges < 1364115199 583779 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reiterate: you might want to compress that < 1364115204 731085 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving me... < 1364115205 530613 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr < 1364115210 408392 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :880 GB of output data.... < 1364115211 146442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a terabyte < 1364115220 971078 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a terabyte of disk space < 1364115223 563146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit I wasn't entirely serious when I said you should do this thing. < 1364115243 155851 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION abort
< 1364115257 194012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least see how well it compresses :-/ < 1364115271 610220 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the toolchain even work on compressed data < 1364115274 179618 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might go down to at most a few hundred gigabytes or something < 1364115288 446960 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not but at least you'll have the results < 1364115290 223873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The "toolchain" can't work on that much data at all in any meaningful way, I'm pretty sure. < 1364115327 693785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, you'd have 8496x8496 matrices plotted in 1000x1000 pixel images. < 1364115338 380867 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1364115354 729557 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be pretty, at least! < 1364115381 913643 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding a zero to each of those 1000s shouldn't be difficult < 1364115387 466762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *really* wanted, you could ./crank_hill_with.sh path/to/gearlance ../../programs/* -- that would generate far less output data, and it would still be possible to compute the scores. < 1364115399 659243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It already takes up about two gigs of RAM when running. < 1364115426 686606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now why does it do that < 1364115444 332404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blaming matplotlib and scipy and numpy, but of course not myself. < 1364115463 273651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't want to imagine what it would do when trying to load the entire contents of that 880 GB results.txt into memory as numpy data structures. < 1364115501 208347 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some room for improvement there < 1364115525 712447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty crummy stuff. < 1364115540 777073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just fiddling around, after all. < 1364115578 738626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when has this Ubuntu automounting put stuff under /media/$USER/ instead of directly in /media/? < 1364115769 727632 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to 8394 programs < 1364115775 584811 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364115781 906599 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few more proved to not parse under latest < 1364115895 492312 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geez. < 1364115896 716924 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, er. < 1364115899 391672 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite intractable < 1364115921 537219 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What now? < 1364115922 165145 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of evaluations per program here < 1364115935 234223 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is literally greater than the number of evaluations in one generation of my evolver. < 1364115974 146686 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1364116323 806437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364116407 874152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364117016 602434 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364117882 226603 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/results.txt < 1364117888 273559 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programs vs current hill < 1364118175 363169 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wormtube.worms2d.info/111/the_worst_shot_ever_2012 < 1364118204 839244 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364118270 611906 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highest rank for a nickname in that results.txt: http://sprunge.us/aJaO < 1364118302 187108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is results.txt? < 1364118303 618125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo the fact that nicknames can't be distinguished since _'s can be anywhere) < 1364118383 984862 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper/final$ cat list | wc -l < 1364118384 61690 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1137 < 1364118389 943949 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduced to the best versions of all programs with the same name < 1364118397 640949 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1137 * 1136 evaluations... < 1364118399 227539 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i try? < 1364118419 263502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1364118424 298837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should take me out. < 1364118432 434427 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, this is against current hill. < 1364118491 58835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help I should be sleeping < 1364118504 946000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sleep schedule is so screwed up and I don't know how to fix it I have work on Monday < 1364118529 716446 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, append which program it was :p < 1364118535 539657 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case it isn't obvious, the format is changeset:filename) < 1364118540 732001 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where changeset is the filename in in-egobot.hg) < 1364118546 154481 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/filename/change id/ < 1364118558 8582 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the hash id, but, the revision id thing, because that's a linear history anyways < 1364118605 801679 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: http://sprunge.us/CGKX < 1364118734 852497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1364118737 119284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I really shouldn't be on that list due to evo_3. < 1364118738 370046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1364118863 8145 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is `slist for < 1364118936 992395 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.lymiahugs.com/best-versions.versus.13687.txt < 1364118940 967500 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filtered out old versions of programs. < 1364118945 765776 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that is. < 1364118948 32489 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub-optimal < 1364118958 528367 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hirsutic used for "same program" is "same name" < 1364119106 556917 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/adac < 1364119233 629930 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently running best programs vs best programs < 1364119237 406781 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll take a while for obvious reasons < 1364119266 237149 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/37095/4bae859079e54653f50d5fb3a03cc8b5 < 1364119275 728229 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, obviously, partial < 1364119474 250941 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given ~ 64 programs/5 min < 1364119493 579745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weird, _s are invisible in my browser in that paste. < 1364119498 564037 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 1.5 hours < 1364119500 960483 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy < 1364119523 83097 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, list of people to ping when Homestuck updates < 1364119541 791793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should run all valid bfjoust programs of less than, say, 100k characters, against each other. < 1364119700 568749 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no < 1364119732 206839 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1364119733 337916 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. < 1364119740 677834 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a possible interesting experiment < 1364120050 33071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "bfjoust" and "possibly interesting" were mutually exclusive. < 1364120068 462712 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that video made me run out of air < 1364120142 982311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364120160 603546 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364120193 601648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, have you seen prior WSE compilations? < 1364120196 226481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, you should < 1364120230 607401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, there's more? that was amazing < 1364120265 18208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lymia said that the experiment was possible and interesting. < 1364120290 444810 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of finding the best vs hill program under 4-5 characters < 1364120291 712572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, although 2012 was the first one to use the fake replays < 1364120297 813607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how those were made < 1364120298 811532 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I realized what it would likely be < 1364120305 290764 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust best-1 (+)*-1 < 1364120307 977912 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust best-1 (-)*-1 < 1364120310 7549 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_best-1: 0.0 < 1364120310 616812 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_best-1: 0.0 < 1364120314 395221 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust best-1 (.-+)*-1 < 1364120318 28069 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_best-1: 14.0 < 1364120343 313636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.-+)*-1 is already 8 characters. < 1364120352 462708 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-5 instructions* < 1364120411 901399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that was really cool, someone could show what they were trying to do before their total failure to do it XD < 1364120435 648356 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game doesn't actually work like that though < 1364120450 878620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that replays were faked for that purpose after the replays with reality were submitted < 1364120465 309233 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny [-] < 1364120469 56511 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Deewiant_tiny: 9.6 < 1364120486 655847 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny [>[+]] < 1364120490 366036 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 5.8 < 1364120493 243199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny [+] < 1364120497 79610 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Deewiant_tiny: 9.6 < 1364120507 735952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't [-] and [+] entirely equivalent? < 1364120523 17900 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they? < 1364120532 322917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, due to the polarity inversion thing. < 1364120546 157564 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah right < 1364120557 84655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the polarity inversion thing invert one of the two programs' operations or something? < 1364120566 749448 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*2+>--(>)*5([>>([(-)*8[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120569 508149 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 20.6 < 1364120577 200729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes. < 1364120581 524567 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes sense < 1364120586 313385 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+>-->>>>([>>([(-)*8[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120588 984615 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 22.2 < 1364120596 406638 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+>-->>>>([>([(-)*8[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120599 63186 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 19.0 < 1364120603 675941 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+>-->>>([>>([(-)*8[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120606 487452 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 22.2 < 1364120612 613611 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee golfing for size < 1364120616 833595 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+>>>-->([>>([(-)*8[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120619 465908 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 21.5 < 1364120627 900296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Technically, the programs are run with all four combinations (normal-normal, normal-inverted, inverted-normal, inverted-inverted) but due to symmetry arguments it's enough to do the first two in order to get the same results. < 1364120628 457873 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+>-->>>([>>([(+)*8[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120631 66862 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 21.4 < 1364120644 695722 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, that makes sense. < 1364120649 45140 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't there a minor asymmetry? < 1364120654 491960 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 256 is an even number < 1364120659 146496 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The flag has to be either 127 or 128 < 1364120675 607310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Starting from 128, there's 128 steps to reach zero going up or down. < 1364120679 826199 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1364120680 332419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: where do I find the other videos? I can't find the actual videos for before 2012...? < 1364120700 765365 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*8([>>([(+)*8[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120703 450736 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 22.5 < 1364120705 78423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the [>[+]] above sounds likely to be equivalent to . given that it just moves away from the flag, skips the [+] loop and ends.) < 1364120713 203304 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*8[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120715 885868 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 25.0 < 1364120720 746122 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*6([>>([(+)*8[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120721 566532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, http://wormtube.worms2d.info/browse/category/compilation < 1364120723 419901 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.9 < 1364120724 824215 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*8[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120727 525701 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 25.0 < 1364120755 465612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, thanks ^^ < 1364120808 537752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust headless_chicken (><)*50000 (Apparently I ran this earlier)*0 < 1364120811 176035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_headless_chicken: 7.5 < 1364120818 537274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, yw < 1364120832 179843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also watch Movie of Dreadful Gameplays and Horrible Bad Lucks < 1364120878 778468 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 32 Mar 24 05:27 Lymia_stream.bfjoust < 1364120878 870827 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 31 Mar 24 04:06 atehwa_test_rush.bfjoust < 1364120878 925587 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 26 Mar 24 04:06 ais523_vibration.bfjoust < 1364120878 970218 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 lymia lymia 23 Mar 24 04:06 david_werecat_golf.bfjoust < 1364120890 780028 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1364120911 268364 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION must achieve smallest effective program!
< 1364120917 725839 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([+[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120920 476488 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 16.7 < 1364120922 744042 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([-[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120925 550847 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 16.7 < 1364120929 61665 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(-)*9[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120931 784062 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.1 < 1364120936 438434 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*9[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120939 56454 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.1 < 1364120941 2027 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(-)*7[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120943 754432 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 26.6 < 1364120946 428578 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(-)*5[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120949 142025 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.5 < 1364120952 306116 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(-)*6[+]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120954 930137 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 26.9 < 1364120960 986966 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364120963 908514 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 26.9 < 1364120963 952961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_simplest_thing (>)*9([-.]>)*21 (also something from the logs)*0 < 1364120966 562895 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_the_simplest_thing: 20.5 < 1364121001 568291 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121004 235695 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 21.7 < 1364121006 613535 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121009 263101 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 18.5 < 1364121011 202842 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*6([>>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121013 852008 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 20.3 < 1364121023 164946 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-.]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121025 833097 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 18.6 < 1364121041 218436 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno why [-.] works so well < 1364121045 155584 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly doesn't work so well offset < 1364121048 360265 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121051 63765 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 27.6 < 1364121078 422150 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream >>+(>)*5([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121081 203103 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.6 < 1364121082 999699 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121085 598775 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 27.7 < 1364121089 12566 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121091 687621 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 22.9 < 1364121094 28033 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*8([>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121096 834229 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 23.7 < 1364121109 312551 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1>)*-1 < 1364121111 943212 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 0.0 < 1364121132 948278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust brainfuck_is_brainfuck_right http://p.zem.fi/lostkng < 1364121151 863035 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_brainfuck_is_brainfuck_right: 0.9 < 1364121155 661818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was there a size limit?) < 1364121163 223340 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.9 lol < 1364121164 288384 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, not 0 < 1364121165 462803 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it beats < 1364121177 514029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hill < 1364121182 170338 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1364121182 443659 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1364121196 399266 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_shudderlock.bfjoust vs fizzie_brainfuck_is_brainfuck_right.bfjoust < 1364121196 499239 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :><>>><<>>><>><>X<>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 10 < 1364121196 553610 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie_brainfuck_is_brainfuck_right.bfjoust wins. < 1364121197 749523 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1364121199 285704 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1364121201 203257 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't shudderlock < 1364121203 527524 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A defense program < 1364121210 428903 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostkng acts as a rush!? < 1364121237 428838 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1>)*-1 < 1364121240 24967 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 0.0 < 1364121244 450055 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*8([>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121247 235899 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 24.1 < 1364121249 19086 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*8([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121251 683714 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 24.5 < 1364121252 439280 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121255 168084 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 27.7 < 1364121259 447396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also wins against Patashu_rushpolarity and ais523_very_offset_turtle, if I read the table right. < 1364121285 484961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just test_rush and kuskelar_a_difficult_name. < 1364121293 574531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the table numbering was different than I thought. < 1364121313 576695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was looking at Pos and not ID. Well, anyhow. < 1364121319 733726 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*8([>([>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121322 519793 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 23.3 < 1364121350 195985 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*7([>[>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121352 866538 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 25.8 < 1364121363 512499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I still think that matrix of report.txt should be sorted by position, since then it makes for PATTERNS in +ses and -ses. < 1364121367 352670 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121369 967719 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 26.5 < 1364121377 214707 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*7([>>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121379 803869 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 26.5 < 1364121386 908366 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*7([>[>([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121389 616500 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 25.8 < 1364121411 144164 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream (>)*7([>[>]([(+)*6[-]>])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364121413 766447 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 6.3 < 1364121440 617145 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dream < < 1364121443 433150 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_dream: 0.0 < 1364121467 786405 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gust >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364121470 734718 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_gust: 27.0 < 1364121486 93429 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gust >>->>-->+>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364121488 960862 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_gust: 26.8 < 1364121497 374416 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gust >>+>>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364121500 138147 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_gust: 26.7 < 1364121508 777735 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's play stupid optimiza-- this is best done algorithmically, isn't it < 1364121516 190272 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust gust < < 1364121518 900383 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stream < < 1364121518 954646 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_gust: 0.0 < 1364121521 500043 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stream: 0.0 < 1364121590 446887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're allowed to just leave programs there. (A list of zeros at the bottom isn't that pretty either.) < 1364121606 160617 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were pushing down my other program >:p < 1364121625 911232 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... wait... < 1364121628 15574 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something < 1364121636 947415 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you submit the same program over and over, under, like, 15 names < 1364121639 182486 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then replace them with < < 1364121647 53379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called "gaming the system". < 1364121648 189281 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can... er... well, do things to the hill < 1364121754 158765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can submit a program that does well generally, but sacrifices against your chosen competitor, and submit that under 15 names. < 1364121772 959281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Might involve more work.) < 1364121780 455860 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or submit 46 copies of Omnipotence < 1364121781 747665 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then < them < 1364121815 299019 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then submit 47 copies of a program that targets Omnipotence < 1364121821 923940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's all in a repository, it can be reverted to a known-good state. < 1364121869 969273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that sort of thing counts as a "real" got-#1-in-bfjoust achievement, the kind of thing that gets you free drinks at bars. < 1364121900 238960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or groupies. Or whatever. I don't know what kind of like #1-bfjoust-bestseller people live. < 1364121905 993893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/like/life/ < 1364121931 854575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think "sex, drugs and brainfuck" is involved. < 1364121937 284178 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1364121951 306818 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper/final$ cat results.txt | wc -l < 1364121951 369409 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :468 < 1364121952 775473 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeee < 1364121955 122163 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to take forever. < 1364121958 41662 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 hours is my estimate... < 1364121965 752351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that one for? < 1364121983 42171 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All programs vs all programs. < 1364121990 943494 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1364121992 225319 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did this < 1364121997 705441 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Evaluate all programs versus the current hill < 1364122022 5370 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Take the best version of each program-- that is, the program with a certain name that scores the highest versus the current hill < 1364122034 394986 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Do a full round robin of each best version versus each best version < 1364122060 269578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, so it's that 1137-program set you mentioned. < 1364122247 280933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 2820 cores in our cluster, but sadly I doubt that counts as relevant research. < 1364122274 400327 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also doubt that anybody cares. < 1364122279 136679 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using 4 cores in a single mundane machine :p < 1364122295 969873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's probably also being used by other people too. < 1364122296 243493 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1364122301 481840 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 8 hours of CPU time. < 1364122311 423234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the 1TB RAM nodes might run the statistics generation script better. :p < 1364122313 55150 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 hours * 64 = 512 CPU hours < 1364122327 761963 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have the CPU time to run 512 CPU hours worth of processing? < 1364122334 712749 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've run some not-very-researchy stuff there a couple of times. < 1364122341 289276 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :On non-relevant research? :p < 1364122357 614725 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was school-related though so maybe it was close enough. < 1364122398 480983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Possibly in a technical "is-possible-to" sense, but maybe not in a "can-be-bothered" one. I need to go out for a birthday dinner thing in an hour or so. < 1364122402 101722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 CPU-hours is something you can run at home, that's less than a week on your 4-core. < 1364122420 728232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also true. < 1364122430 22390 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a desktop < 1364122440 193196 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop goes into suspend often, and, in fact, is on a lap at times < 1364122455 478011 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to be using 4 cores in something that is on my lap < 1364122496 713424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ganglia says current load of Triton is 75%. < 1364122532 368351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one idle node, though. < 1364122634 9549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much suck in using SLURM, too. I don't think I can be bothered to write the scripts to do this thing. At least right now. < 1364122659 299323 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on taking the top 100 or 150 < 1364122663 172307 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And running it through fizzie's script < 1364122669 834745 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :To generate a final report < 1364123049 456746 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364123182 96087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run something on my workstation at work. < 1364123182 951775 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364123192 654962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not conneceted to Condor, so it's just sitting there all nights and weekends. < 1364123256 422302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's just a normal 4-core box; but at least I wouldn't have to listen to the fans whirr. < 1364123303 680012 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364123582 473936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Also, results.dat (one of the outputs from parse_results.py) is a bit over twice the size of results.txt, so if you had done the full thing and gotten a terabyte results.txt, you'd also have a two-terabyte results.dat. < 1364123848 291241 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it apparently takes about 6 seconds to run 1000 evaluations of gearlance? < 1364123879 587558 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay PID eating < 1364123997 442746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: The time taken really depends on the programs involved. < 1364124017 966932 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is average of best-versions of course < 1364124033 192595 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously going to take longer with a population of zero programs < 1364124051 400750 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looking at the history, you seem to have once done an evolver that combined other programs..? < 1364124057 710972 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that work? o-o < 1364124102 41402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too well. The ones I submitted were kind of minor variations of what it started from. I've been thinking if I should dust it out one of these days. < 1364124142 591845 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem I have right now seems to be that there's not much "control" over gene activations and stuff. < 1364124153 363494 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which results in even something like flow not being easy to make. < 1364124163 408258 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to fix this without abandoning the whole system. < 1364124186 533406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, for the evolvery stuff I had a gearlance version with a main loop that started by loading (and parsing) the hill I was testing against (for fitness), then accepted (from stdin) a set of programs and produced final scores for them all. That does provide a measurable performance advantage over to running gearlance thousands of times. < 1364124216 8261 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of a performance advantage? < 1364124225 50844 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write my own Bfjoust implementation, but, it'd have to be in Java, which won't help much :p < 1364124225 265577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much the process startup costs are -- probably not much -- but for large opponents the parsing time can be quite a large fraction of the total runtime. < 1364124283 610657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something like 25% when running something against anticipation/anticipation2, if I remember last night's gperf numbers right. < 1364124390 783974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should write a... uh, "transmissionlance" (a transmission has multiple gears!) that'd have the right sort of interface for producing a score for individual programs against the totality of a preloaded set B. < 1364124409 994797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note to self: better name.) < 1364124445 303944 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about just < 1364124451 770908 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "gearlance server" < 1364124456 205407 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you start a process < 1364124458 185716 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just feed it < 1364124460 881004 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :"filename a, filename b" < 1364124462 804959 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And get a result back < 1364124590 839837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'd want it to cache the million individuals, for elegance, so it'd need something to distinguish what's one-shot and what's fixed. < 1364124593 649688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of just "./somethinglance opponent-1 opponent-2 ..." which would parse and "compile" all the opponents, then while (1) { parse a single program from stdin, run it against the opponents, print score }. < 1364124597 424035 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >([-]>)*-1 < 1364124597 880687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1364124601 640623 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep >([-]>)*-1 < 1364124627 361678 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 15.2 < 1364124640 684408 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep >([>[-]]>)*-1 < 1364124643 592269 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 9.5 < 1364124658 104954 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([-]>)*-1 < 1364124664 372275 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 15.7 < 1364124669 75985 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([+[-]]>)*-1 < 1364124672 109040 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 17.3 < 1364124673 411252 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is disturbingly effective < 1364124677 206809 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1 < 1364124680 46896 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 17.6 < 1364124690 930842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep >([-].>)*-1 (does the original sometimes run off too fast, or how did the needs-two-cycles-of-zero and runs-off-the-edge bits interact?)*0 < 1364124695 70357 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_feep: 13.0 < 1364124706 199370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't. < 1364124715 988640 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([(+)*9[-]]>)*-1 < 1364124720 278852 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 17.4 < 1364124724 522803 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([(+)*7[-]]>)*-1 < 1364124727 303629 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 21.7 < 1364124729 715409 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124734 607263 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 21.7 < 1364124737 351692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking if there's enough zero-time, but I suppose there's the - cycle itself, and the ]. < 1364124746 837256 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is the effective "essence" of the flow/stream/dream series < 1364124758 912472 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except without the decoy skip < 1364124765 411690 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust feep < < 1364124768 675335 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_feep: 0.0 < 1364124779 432402 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124782 114892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.8 < 1364124784 186502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that (>)*8 and not (>)*9 though? < 1364124789 736403 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*9([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124792 778620 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.2 < 1364124795 673928 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124797 706184 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea? < 1364124798 414689 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.7 < 1364124802 719663 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([>(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124805 510771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 10.5 < 1364124814 64297 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([>>(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124817 220236 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 12.3 < 1364124827 323724 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*7([>(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124830 43371 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 10.1 < 1364124831 876243 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([>(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124834 544787 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 10.5 < 1364124840 29487 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*7([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124842 726111 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 18.2 < 1364124845 186291 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124847 972077 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.7 < 1364124848 664958 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*9([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124851 347081 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.2 < 1364124853 640287 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124856 382952 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.7 < 1364124859 142723 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why 8 is better < 1364124867 905435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious. < 1364124870 122346 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*10([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124872 750559 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.2 < 1364124876 489464 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124880 423072 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.7 < 1364124903 788880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even on the shortest tape, it can't be on the opponent's flag after (>)*8. But of course it affects the timing. < 1364124937 541605 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*10([(-)*7[+.]]>)*-1 < 1364124940 391904 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 16.4 < 1364124945 144504 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*10([+.]>)*-1 < 1364124947 959606 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 14.9 < 1364124948 947853 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*10([-.]>)*-1 < 1364124951 708384 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 14.9 < 1364124957 263680 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*10([>[-.]]>)*-1 < 1364124960 352225 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 4.6 < 1364124966 843790 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364124971 268176 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.7 < 1364124973 657215 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrug
< 1364125032 903096 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :>((----<--->---->-)*5><..<+<>><.<-+--)*3>+.--><+..>>><++..>--<>>.<(>(-)*3[+])*61++<..>><.-.>-> < 1364125045 491054 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old evolver tends to make a lot uglier programs than the current one... < 1364125057 812520 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, on the other hand, it likely had a smoother fitness landscape... < 1364125059 57868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*100[-]]>)*-1 (just curious)*0 < 1364125068 683869 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_tiny: 23.3 < 1364125069 372443 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :*100 is a massive offset < 1364125075 301454 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-o < 1364125261 376876 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*100[+]]>)*-1 < 1364125269 7375 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 8.9 < 1364125270 19675 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364125278 689396 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.3 < 1364125280 31127 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly makes (-)*100[-] effective? < 1364125281 895573 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anti-defense? < 1364125305 106449 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[(+.)*100(-.)*100]]>)*-1 < 1364125308 781421 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 5.6 < 1364125347 211918 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[+]]>)*-1 < 1364125349 884864 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_tiny: 21.3 < 1364125355 162293 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7([+{}])%500[-{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125357 841060 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 0.0 < 1364125363 542280 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7([+{}])%500([-{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125366 277979 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 0.0 < 1364125374 446645 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7([+{}])%500([-{}])%500]>)*-1 < 1364125377 682964 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 14.3 < 1364125386 65334 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([+{}])%500([-{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125389 843861 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 13.2 < 1364125391 901480 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([+{}])%128([-{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125392 897583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I wonder what people who do it use for constant optimization; just some form of a general grid search, or hill-climbing, or simulated annealing, or gradient descent, or what. (Suppose the last one sounds a bit unlikely.) < 1364125394 723165 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 13.2 < 1364125437 854024 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([+{}])%256([-.{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125444 314248 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 13.2 < 1364125451 241537 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([+.{}])%256([+{}])%500]]>)*-1 < 1364125454 180579 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 13.4 < 1364125465 420044 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([+{([+.{}])%500}])%256]]>)*-1 < 1364125468 613665 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 17.0 < 1364125480 241378 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([(-)*7[([>+{([+.{}])%500}])%256]]>)*-1 < 1364125485 489386 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 3.0 < 1364125486 401912 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust not-so-tiny (>)*8([>(-)*7[([+{([+.{}])%500}])%256]]>)*-1 < 1364125489 236882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_not-so-tiny: 10.0 < 1364125538 660001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tiny (>)*9([(-)*100[-]]>)*-1 (for this one (>)*9 was better)*0 < 1364125541 355643 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for fizzie_tiny: 23.5 < 1364125687 299984 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust  4SURELY THIS WORKS BETTER IN RED (>)*8([>(-)*7[([+{([+.{}])%500}])%256]]>)*-1 < 1364125689 799847 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs far far away
< 1364125690 265983 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia__: 9.7 < 1364125815 526505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably at some point also update the egostats plots with some of the d3 neatness that I put in the esostats. < 1364125849 675471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wyldryde is dead < 1364125888 501754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the top-7 heatmap plots and such only show 7 for clarity, but with some client-side plotting they could easily show all, and some interactive highlighting could show the program you want. < 1364125952 49169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could do something like that http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_stats.html or whatnot. < 1364126001 863835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's now AlphaChat < 1364126034 378460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I haven't updated ircvis/esoteric since early March. < 1364126140 386086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's better. < 1364126203 668579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a curious sort of a vaguely monthly cycle for the last few months in the weekly average of http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/fig/activity_lines_year.png there. < 1364126285 814493 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper/final$ cat results.txt | wc -l < 1364126285 932668 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1111 < 1364126285 977054 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/bfjoust-evo/hill-scraper/final$ ls best-versions/ | wc -l < 1364126285 977224 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :1138 < 1364126286 443721 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wee < 1364126287 696545 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost done < 1364126292 321857 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's down to two cores left working < 1364126862 671194 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364126911 219846 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh >_< < 1364126918 314010 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally reran the command. < 1364126919 106427 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1364126925 848847 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to rerun about 100 programs x.x < 1364127333 758373 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>[-]+>[-]-)*-1 < 1364127337 22003 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 15.0 < 1364127345 525635 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>(+)*8[-]+>(+)*8[-]-)*-1 < 1364127349 190802 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 3.6 < 1364127354 108136 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>[(+)*8[-]]+>[(+)*8[-]]-)*-1 < 1364127358 143603 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 15.9 < 1364127367 560186 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>[(+)*8[-]]+>[(+)*8[-]]--)*-1 < 1364127370 215272 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 13.3 < 1364127374 775858 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>[(+)*8[-]]++>[(+)*8[-]]-)*-1 < 1364127377 495640 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 12.2 < 1364127380 38138 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot < < 1364127382 659512 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 0.0 < 1364127407 686209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364127472 991120 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364127500 558351 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-168-174.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364127780 799539 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot (>)*8(>[(+)*8[-]]+>[(+)*8[-]]-)*-1 < 1364127783 587209 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 7.6 < 1364127790 143163 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot >>>>(>[(+)*8[-]]+>[(+)*8[-]]-)*-1 < 1364127793 400519 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 10.2 < 1364127795 972459 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot >(>[(+)*8[-]]+>[(+)*8[-]]-)*-1 < 1364127798 628454 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 15.3 < 1364127801 32099 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust idiot < < 1364127803 880120 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_idiot: 0.0 < 1364127820 750009 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1 < 1364127824 510773 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 17.1 < 1364127829 272676 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(+)*7[-]]>)*-1 < 1364127831 939050 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 21.0 < 1364127835 127111 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(+)*6[-]]>)*-1 < 1364127838 958800 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.8 < 1364127841 953651 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(+)*5[-]]>)*-1 < 1364127844 752857 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 21.2 < 1364127877 69943 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([>([(+)*6[-]])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364127880 811505 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 6.5 < 1364127886 529665 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([>>([(+)*8[-]])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364127889 304618 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 6.9 < 1364127897 699081 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*8([>>([(+)*8[-]])*-1]>)*-1 < 1364127902 792607 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 8.8 < 1364127908 886158 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364127911 770095 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.8 < 1364127917 444687 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(+)*4[-]]>)*-1 < 1364127921 263099 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 20.7 < 1364127924 260616 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364127927 60575 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.8 < 1364127928 200072 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*8([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364127931 14034 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 22.6 < 1364127934 43832 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364127936 748687 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.8 < 1364127949 289637 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust megakarp >([-]>)*-1 < 1364127952 314323 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_megakarp: 16.1 < 1364127990 863311 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust megakarp >([-]>>[-]<)*-1 < 1364127998 503786 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_megakarp: 5.8 < 1364128060 931571 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>[(-)*6[+]])*-1 < 1364128063 930416 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 15.1 < 1364128068 413585 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364128071 99887 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.4 < 1364128073 954456 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*10([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364128076 642009 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 21.0 < 1364128077 296577 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364128080 133536 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.4 < 1364128087 388849 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+.]]>)*-1 < 1364128091 494119 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 20.8 < 1364128093 395718 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[++]]>)*-1 < 1364128096 100291 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 16.9 < 1364128099 548100 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+-+]]>)*-1 < 1364128104 405965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 17.2 < 1364128105 882824 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]]>)*-1 < 1364128108 975904 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 23.4 < 1364128113 220734 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]>]>)*-1 < 1364128117 163084 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 25.3 < 1364128120 107438 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]>>]>)*-1 < 1364128125 977870 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 20.6 < 1364128128 479830 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hana-no-sei (>)*9([(-)*6[+]>]>)*-1 < 1364128135 886244 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_hana-no-sei: 25.3 < 1364128150 782013 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128155 675400 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.5 < 1364128158 739827 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow (>)*7(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128161 355809 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.4 < 1364128173 233201 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]>]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128176 241603 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.4 < 1364128186 648328 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]>]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128189 734958 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>([(+)*8[-]>]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128189 897948 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 27.4 < 1364128192 545809 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 24.5 < 1364128195 719965 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128198 540650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.5 < 1364128216 549308 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->-([>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]>)*-1 < 1364128220 810895 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 19.4 < 1364128224 475032 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->+([>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]>)*-1 < 1364128227 96684 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 20.2 < 1364128234 293554 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->+>([>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1]>)*-1 < 1364128236 878078 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.9 < 1364128243 34040 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>-->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128245 917003 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.4 < 1364128253 763230 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->+(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128256 711881 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.9 < 1364128265 259868 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>(-)*30>++>->(+)*40(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128272 863988 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 17.0 < 1364128274 884716 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->+(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128277 788285 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 28.9 < 1364128284 537113 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust flow >>->>->++>->(>[>>([(+)*8[-]]>)*-1])*-1 < 1364128288 727897 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_flow: 29.5 < 1364128292 228090 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. Evolver gets to try to improve it further < 1364129179 259307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364129287 916077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and did oerjan just left to go on a date? <-- no? < 1364129874 424573 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364129960 58654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell madbr Indeed, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_geometry#Circles.2C_disks.2C_spheres_and_balls gives the formula for the area of a hyperbolic disk as 2*pi*R^2*(cosh (r/R)-1) where r is the radius of the circle; that is clearly exponential in the radius. < 1364129960 212544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364130012 723451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print chr(hex('2C')) < 1364130013 494184 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​, < 1364130036 849911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Circles, disks, spheres and balls" is probably a title of something. < 1364130118 986140 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1364130167 38657 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364130168 450671 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364130170 446486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated http://zem.fi/egostats/ now that things settled down a little. < 1364130196 556826 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-42-103.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1364130196 601386 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364130307 113590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... what happened to http://zem.fi/egostats/plot_cycles.png now? That can't be right. < 1364130312 698901 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1364130371 441093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie (later) to figure out what's up with that. < 1364130371 591592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1364130385 973507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: I mean't you'd remind me later! Sheesh. < 1364130478 199327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mean't". < 1364130492 339604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mea, or sometimes you mea not. < 1364130551 230642 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364130593 141621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, must go. -> < 1364130645 310282 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364130665 395333 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust slow_and_painful_suicide [-......] < 1364130668 43492 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lumpio-_slow_and_painful_suicide: 6.4 < 1364130708 968571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie (later) to figure out what's up with that. < 1364130709 171481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364130831 480156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust even_more_painful ((-)*127.)*-1 < 1364130834 131817 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_even_more_painful: 7.9 < 1364130838 16273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1364130871 928722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 256/3 < 1364130873 503836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 85.33333333333333 < 1364130883 527621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust even_more_painful ((-)*85.)*-1 < 1364130887 253641 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_even_more_painful: 7.4 < 1364130982 873880 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1364130987 750112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell madbr Also from another section: "Another visible property is exponential growth. In Circle Limit III, for example, one can see that the number of fishes within a distance of n from the center rises exponentially. The fishes have equal hyperbolic area, so the area of a ball of radius n must rise exponentially in n." < 1364130987 942585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1364131047 156080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The art of crochet has been used to demonstrate hyperbolic planes with the first being made by Daina Taimina,[6] whose book Crocheting Adventures with Hyperbolic Planes won the 2009 Bookseller/Diagram Prize for Oddest Title of the Year." < 1364132328 319183 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364132368 382223 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust true-suicide >-<[-....] < 1364132371 968210 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_true-suicide: 5.4 < 1364132376 235764 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust true-suicide >->-<<[-....] < 1364132378 867349 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_true-suicide: 1.8 < 1364132380 913023 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust true-suicide >->-<<[-...] < 1364132383 539571 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_true-suicide: 1.8 < 1364132384 913537 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust true-suicide >->-<<[-..] < 1364132387 514385 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_true-suicide: 3.1 < 1364132391 127813 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1364132451 316123 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364132493 367847 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1364132686 593353 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364133099 359081 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :more decoys will be worse for that thing Lymia < 1364133123 801759 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the tripwire avoiders will skip it < 1364133137 421844 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is only one or fewer < 1364133185 469021 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, the idea is not to win :p < 1364133295 761565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: then just do < < 1364133309 281539 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without being so unsubtle and inelegant! < 1364133422 512607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust die >>(+)*30<(-)*30<(-)*128 < 1364133425 265615 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for quintopia_die: 0.5 < 1364133446 458091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misspelled for EgoBot < 1364133972 650127 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364135389 905630 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364135406 956653 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364135881 663198 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1364135895 235317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1364136377 549802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is back to torturing norns
< 1364136457 647724 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a norn? < 1364136528 652342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artificial life things < 1364136531 502554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creatureswiki.net < 1364136994 806733 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1364136996 70664 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1364136999 635635 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364137044 370598 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google norn < 1364137045 833897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norns < 1364137045 890407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Norns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1364137164 977809 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364138186 809605 :nooodl^!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364138524 219024 :nooodl_!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364138568 20404 :nooodl_!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364138592 105121 :nooodl^!~nooodl@78-21-40-107.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364138724 97741 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1364140595 958964 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Are you the guy who wrote langtons ant in blsq? < 1364140606 339738 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that nooga, nooodl? < 1364141743 151671 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, your script appears to crash on just 100 programs < 1364141743 673008 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1364141790 84880 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364142199 454750 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, complaint!! < 1364142203 492548 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your program eats unbounded memory < 1364142212 233635 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast < 1364142232 601383 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory leaks :( < 1364142234 347929 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: He said it takes 2 GB on the current hill < 1364142268 944298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you have 2.5 times the amount of programs, presumably it'll take at least 5 GB < 1364142666 39244 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364142835 557757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: No warranty, express or implied, not even a warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. < 1364142835 869009 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1364142888 154499 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't, like < 1364142890 189439 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to leak memory < 1364142890 823365 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it < 1364142891 174509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1364142899 59173 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It leaks a very very significant amount of memory < 1364142899 590589 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1364142906 376509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should feel bad < 1364142909 913890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: No warranty, express or implied, not even a warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. < 1364142922 245607 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it actually leak or just use a lot < 1364142924 18275 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364142926 865100 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It clearly leaks < 1364142935 156121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It uses more and more memory for the individual per-program plots. < 1364142946 956375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nice < 1364142958 867656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it needs some kind of a matplotlib explicit figure-close. < 1364143008 99601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: Try adding a plt.close() after the savefig() call in def plot. < 1364143030 668123 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added an os.path.exists call instead >_> < 1364143056 128274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it's all completely stupid. It should be returning a figure handle from plt.figure, and when that figure goes out of scope, deallocating all relevant stuff.) < 1364143074 402442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I suppose it's been written in some sort of a MATLABish way.) < 1364143078 808555 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is uploading all 41MB to her VPS
< 1364143162 729819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it doesn't eat *unbounded* memory, there's certainly a bound. < 1364143175 764901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, adding that plt.close() I mentioned where I mentioned seems to have fixed the memory use problems for me. < 1364143189 49915 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats unbounded memory < 1364143191 714000 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until it can't < 1364143193 263122 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it dies < 1364143207 820948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no; if you provide it with an infinite amount of memory, it will not eat all of it. < 1364143241 711882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I just fixed it, so there. < 1364143264 48755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing will eat all of it < 1364143296 544544 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, except malloc((unsigned int)-1) < 1364143307 707010 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming approprate addressing size) < 1364143350 864998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've pushed a working update_stats.py now. At least based on a very quick test it didn't seem to eat any more memory while doing the per-program plots than what it does, initially. < 1364143353 164647 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :casually takes over the entire address space < 1364143354 284784 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this system that'll allocate half of the available 8 gigs < 1364143372 610000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming you write something into it; as-is it'll allocate very little < 1364143387 380816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1364143387 607668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3h 31m 19s ago: (later) to figure out what's up with that. < 1364143394 113043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should figure out what's up with that. < 1364143512 961058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days this four gigabytes is just constant swapping. :/ :\ It's stupid. < 1364143518 274363 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://files.lymiahugs.com/stats/ < 1364143540 704405 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best 100 programs (with some hirsutics to do this in under a day) ever on the hill < 1364143558 346378 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. er < 1364143559 395865 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie. < 1364143562 656048 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to increase the image sie < 1364143564 51511 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :size* < 1364143611 617636 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1364143634 495858 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn hirsute < 1364143635 317373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "hirsute" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1364143635 408764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hirsute < 1364143635 453564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: having or covered with hair; "Jacob was a hairy man"; "a < 1364143635 453736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hairy caterpillar" [syn: {hairy}, {haired}, {hirsute}] < 1364143635 453843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [ant: {hairless}] < 1364143652 396751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: see "def plot", plt.figure(figsize=(10, 10), dpi=100) -- that's where the 1000x1000 comes from. < 1364143669 542843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You can try just putting a larger figsize in, though it could be that it breaks some things. < 1364143728 680851 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already broke stuff with fixed size font < 1364143729 285489 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1364143759 357982 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubling size seems to have fixed it? < 1364143787 137496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I specified a fixed size font anywhere? < 1364143846 877601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've specified any font sizes at all, except "small" for some plots. < 1364143879 316650 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where does plot_cycles get its size? < 1364143920 914667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just "a bit wider than it's tall instead of the default square" setting. < 1364143937 392996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1364143950 676571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why it's non-square, to be honest, since it's got labels on both sides. < 1364143993 308922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I originally only had labels on the left side, that's why it's got that custom size. < 1364144012 686482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just not set a custom size there, it would make as much sense. < 1364144042 48588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycleh and cyclewl also seem to set their own (non-square) sizes. < 1364144050 289807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's cyclewl? < 1364144058 245719 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be unused < 1364144066 506783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems. < 1364144090 388634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'w' and 'l' refer to wins and losses. < 1364144113 380579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's like the regular cycles, except it's two matrices, one for wins and one for losses. < 1364144122 589325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there weren't any sufficiently interesting patterns in it. < 1364144167 919462 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364144245 166505 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's tapeabs? < 1364144249 579632 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't include a lot of programs < 1364144281 904443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: There's a per-program (per-tape-length) tapeabs plot too, the ptapeabs one. < 1364144289 422396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: They *do* have descriptions. < 1364144301 589443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Absolute values (magnitude of differences from 0) left on the tape at < 1364144301 634452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end of the match, as seen from the viewpoint of the 7 best < 1364144301 634633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs, averaged over all opponents, tape lengths and polarities. < 1364144302 574003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See per-program statistics for single-program per-tape-length tables." < 1364144342 808740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got the top 7 only, in order for not to be an unreadable mess, though see earlier comment re client-side interactive plots. < 1364144390 526465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the thing with which something is up, it's curious; the 47x1974 "cycles" array is just fine, with maximum cell value of 100000; but the 47x47 dcycles -- which is just supposed to be a per-duel sum version -- has a number of entries that are really close to 2^32; I'm talking 4295065266 and 4294969708 and such. That's a strange. < 1364144561 535397 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364144750 700270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to come directly from cranklance, in fact. I wonder how I've managed to mess that up. < 1364144860 555236 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364145203 981568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. I just added a debugging printf statement, and the cycle count changed from c4294969334 to c90466. I think I have a buggy. < 1364145981 506680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things are just randomly changing AAAAA < 1364146006 152694 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364146018 679829 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considered valgrind yet? < 1364146056 49401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That was the first thing I did; got no errors. I'm trying to browse the documentation on what kind of more extended checks it had. < 1364146066 900350 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364146088 123730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All heap blocks were freed -- no leaks are possible" "ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 2 from 2)". < 1364146095 203838 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -fsanitize=undefined? < 1364146155 676661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other sanitizers, I guess < 1364146169 305694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang doesn't seem to want to compile the nested functions in it. < 1364146183 416013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, yeah.) < 1364146271 940649 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4.8 added some sanitizers as well, but you probably don't have that. < 1364146282 35392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed a lot of norns to find a cure for a genetic condition that I created. < 1364146285 947661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite yet. < 1364146353 407544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's soem errors from valgrind --tool=exp-sgcheck. < 1364146393 244148 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has a stack memory checker? I didn't know that. < 1364146409 145597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "experimental". < 1364146420 783721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been experimental quite a while, I don't know if they're working on it very much. < 1364146489 895989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These line numbers are really useful, what with a 30-line macro on that line. (Yes, yes.) < 1364146518 54737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :without line numbers you wouldn't even know that much < 1364146534 899030 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I question the quality of this code < 1364146547 610920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grumble grumble. < 1364146555 285090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expected: global array "scores" of size 240 in object with soname "NONE" Actual: unknown Actual: is 0 after Expected -- I guess that might be trying to say I'm writing past the end of something. < 1364146565 696298 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I don't need to, it's already in question since it seems to have some stack corruption issues causing inconsistent behaviour < 1364146581 692578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never noticed anything like that before. < 1364146606 461954 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you've been lucky :-P < 1364146614 691622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This array, it's too small. < 1364146620 518095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the foo I've not noticed it before? < 1364146633 845441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it's only part of the statistics stuff in cranklance, not in gearlance at all. < 1364146637 852468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364146678 813706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there are no more sgcheck errors, and the cycle counts and such also work again. < 1364146678 858428 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall spending a few days culminating in filing a compiler bug, all due to "this array, it's too small". < 1364146718 61964 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the bug didn't stay open long enough for anybody to humiliate me further. < 1364146721 255604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a scores[2][MAXTAPE] out of which I was accessing the rectangle of [0][MINTAPE] to [1][MAXTAPE], inclusive. < 1364146765 957634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was worried I'd make an off-by-one-error if I tried to make that scores[2][MAXTAPE-MINTAPE+1] and access [0][0] to [1][MAXTAPE-MINTAPE], or at least forget a -MINTAPE somewhere. < 1364146824 422451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's immediately followed by the long long cycles, which probably explains all those 2^32's. < 1364147034 12672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364147218 420520 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364147246 296270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: You'll want to update your cranklance to fix what was discussed above, if you're doing cranking. < 1364147519 797150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to get a Verilog code to run fast enough on software to emulate a sound chip? They said it doesn't. < 1364147634 765591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: CPUs are very bad at emulating VHDL or Verilog quickly < 1364147639 517669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the execution model is completely different < 1364147647 746018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, a CPU is O(n) slower than an FPGA would be < 1364147660 769193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is why Verilog and VHDL aren't normally used to write CPU software) < 1364147715 104331 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might want to read everything there is to read concerning BFJoust and then try to get good at it < 1364147766 928496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I know it would be slower, but I would be wonder if there would be a way to optimize it to make it change everything around so that it is like a C code, so that you do not have to write and maintain two programs. < 1364147795 568298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm working on that sort of thing as part of my PHD < 1364147801 421304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's particularly possible at the moment < 1364147811 909307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could look at SystemC; it doesn't actually work for that purpose, but people claim it does < 1364147818 579435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you can start here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1364147831 486396 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the plan < 1364147835 531665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Will you make your PhD public? < 1364147845 916135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the university will probably make it public < 1364147854 305478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I have the copyright for the thesis itself < 1364147872 463078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you know about Verilog codes, can you tell me if this is good or something is wrong with this? http://sprunge.us/MEOK < 1364147878 575104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a research compiler online, which has source available although it isn't open source < 1364147913 663239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: normally you'd put everything on the same clock < 1364147914 476982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can the PhD be having a code which is open source? < 1364147932 573700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware can't easily handle the leading edge of arbitrary signals < 1364147937 904511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be possible to write open source code for that < 1364147945 166538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I couldn't because of the agreement I have with my employers < 1364147949 600637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else would have to do it, from scratch < 1364147972 392895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyway, you have three different signals you're taking the positive edge of there < 1364147983 613219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Apparently Knuth was able to do it due to literate programming? < 1364147986 268473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in hardware (typical synthesizers will complain at 2) < 1364147990 611864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, how do you suggest I fix? < 1364148007 992826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you use registers to remember the values of the signals at the last clock edge < 1364148015 319356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at each clock edge, you check to see if the values have changed from 0 to 1 < 1364148020 985715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then remember the new value < 1364148034 620221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the clock, I don't really care about the clock edge, I just want it to do when the signal is high. < 1364148047 794991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a code for that in Verilog? < 1364148077 691833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy >((+)*128>)*5>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148080 456216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 8.6 < 1364148094 149960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy >((+)*128>)*5>>>([-[-]]>)*-1 < 1364148097 859813 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 5.9 < 1364148114 855652 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy >((+)*128>)*2>>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148117 742124 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 18.0 < 1364148133 76868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy >((+)*128>)*1>>>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148135 881949 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 15.4 < 1364148163 502463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy >((+)*128>)*3>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148166 448738 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 9.2 < 1364148277 514081 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust big_fat_decoy (>(+)*128)*2+>>>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148280 330771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_big_fat_decoy: 18.1 < 1364148281 611525 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paska is Finnish for “shit”. http://www.themarthablog.com/2008/03/paska-a-special-bread-that-i-used-this-past-weekend.html < 1364148313 816581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is there anything else wrong with this program other than that, though? And can you tell me, is there a way to just make it when it is high, rather than by edge? I don't know if there is such a thing, that is why I didn't do < 1364148337 798552 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there were 47 programs on the hill yesterday (not counting the challenger). Now report.txt tells me there are only 46... < 1364148356 505340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: check to see if it's high at each clock edge < 1364148376 915426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for writing synchronous code, which is the easiest way to write it normally < 1364148383 731116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asynchronous code exists but is very hard to write properly < 1364148395 399703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you probably want to use a reverse decoy setup < 1364148407 718729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a negative decoy? < 1364148419 734163 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write them right to left < 1364148421 722764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, you do (+)*128 to set one decoy, and by the time you start setting the second, the opponent has already seen that cell's 0 and so knows it isn't a flag < 1364148428 185547 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1364148428 522228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, you write the decoy nearest to the opponent first < 1364148431 89458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh right < 1364148437 462040 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1364148457 483698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: At work they had a brand of coffee beans that was something very close to "paska". It made for the obvious jokes. < 1364148501 742341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, I could do like that; but what if the clock is not synchronized for some reason? < 1364148512 82656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you use the same clock for everything < 1364148519 460562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're trying to interface with someone else's circuit < 1364148520 959598 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust reverse_decoy >>(+)*128<(+)*128>>>>>>>>([-]>)*-1 < 1364148523 744909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_reverse_decoy: 11.4 < 1364148526 815495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then normally they provide an appropriate clock to use as well < 1364148529 348393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1364148569 265016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you normally want to check the documentation, it often says exactly what happens when relative to the clock < 1364148591 721071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, I understand, now. Now, is there anything else with this program that should be fixed? < 1364148621 399503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't understand all of it, I'm not an expert at Verilog < 1364148625 156273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is not really designed to interface with another chip, and it is not an emulation of an existing chip either, so there is no documentation. < 1364148625 815808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't see any other obvious problems < 1364148626 867470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then I would be tempted to write a reverse attack as well... but there's the risk of falling of the edge < 1364148651 286342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah, the reason reverse decoy setup works is that there is no real way to write a reverse attack < 1364148670 937376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best you can do is skip the first nonzero cell in the hope it's a decoy < 1364148672 840852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What part didn't you understand? I am not expert either, I would like to know which part you didn't understand, anyways. < 1364148682 738972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: anyway, you might want to use http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ for testing your programs < 1364148691 164526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm only really used to wire/reg and digital circuits < 1364148697 655422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what "channel" means < 1364148701 890593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid flooding the channel? < 1364148720 99060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: And to get better info about what's going on < 1364148740 409533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Channel" here is calling another module < 1364148746 188328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right < 1364148770 491618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you don't really do "calls" in VHDL/Verilog; the module syntax is just implemented as inlining < 1364148775 470090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why the instance is required to have a name, but it says it does. I can understand how it can be helpful to have a name for debugging, but I don't know why it requires a name.) < 1364148782 747187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that wasn't to do with flooding, it was advice to help you understand your code < 1364148800 923640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not flooding, but using egojsout or juiced or the like is pretty much essential to understand why your code is winning or losing < 1364148808 165431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I'm not sure I understand the pretty diagrams that egosjout is showing me < 1364148821 415602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais512: Well, yes, probably it would have to be inlined to program a FPGA or make a ASIC < 1364148839 144155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's a picture of the tape < 1364148842 835959 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust self_defense (-)*128(+-)*-1 < 1364148845 292096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first program is starting from the left, second from the right < 1364148846 518575 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Arc_Koen_self_defense: 23.2 < 1364148851 670596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOUW < 1364148852 74940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I remember writing that program < 1364148861 84203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't do so well the first time < 1364148867 796162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the hill more recently, it did so well that I wrote anticipation2 < 1364148875 670627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a really complex version of the same idea < 1364148897 576850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmmm well then all the programs I tried against were defensive < 1364148917 207802 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying against one of quintopia and at some point the blue pointer stopped moving at all < 1364148929 906604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "simple" is a good test < 1364148958 865809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, there are various poke-based rushes that were doing very well a while ago < 1364148971 790479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like slowpoke, space_elevator, and furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls < 1364148987 753485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people have started to get better at beating them < 1364149017 45145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the series of > and < that appear when I hit run? < 1364149028 56056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a list of which program wins on each tape length < 1364149032 511612 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :short tapes are on the left, long tapes on the right < 1364149050 972198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two rows because the programs are run with both polarities < 1364149055 492991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, first it runs as normal < 1364149065 303129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it swaps + and - in one of the prorgams (doesn't matter which) and runs again < 1364149089 888665 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok < 1364149104 813701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm gonna have dinner and then I'll read bfjoust_strategies < 1364149108 157449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for your help! < 1364149351 344836 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its that time of year < 1364149363 403795 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one of the two times < 1364149377 176875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The corresponding array, with the identical name, was scores[2][MAXTAPE+1] in gearlance. I must have fixed the very same bug once before, and not propagated the fix to cranklance. < 1364149430 924087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Insert rant about having two separate codebases with significant shared content here. < 1364149479 205794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I've been thinking about merging them, but it'd mean a pile of #ifdef's. (Or some other kind of conditional compilation.) < 1364149524 465476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha. < 1364149542 280849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Here's git log for the commit that fixed it in gearlance: http://sprunge.us/WAAF < 1364149562 283767 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done :-) < 1364149569 553781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I suppose this whole episode is kind of a +1 in favour of merging the things. < 1364149613 335557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are pretty much identical, cranklance just has a pile of statistics-collection in the actual execution unit. < 1364149666 76407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this better? http://sprunge.us/ccJB Now I have it setting Volume twice in one block, though, and I don't know if it would cause a problem. It does compile fine in Icarus Verilog, though. < 1364150126 344981 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364151108 631097 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1364151139 12952 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364151168 179752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder if you could do a thing to run the two BF Joust programs more parallel-y. < 1364151188 463497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have to "sync up" on a branch, or I guess a win condition < 1364151225 59395 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364151287 83604 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364151429 120426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, "[Codabar] was designed to be accurately read even when printed on dot-matrix printers..." and is used in library books and cards; from my own testing, I have confirmed that it uses Luhn checksums (although in the ones I have seen, there is a space before it, unlike the example in Wikipedia). < 1364151454 579443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I once tried printing one on a inkjet printer and the barcode readers in the library would not recognize it. Is a laser printer required? < 1364151508 947730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much that would help, performance-wise. (Also, it sounds like you'd have to be somewhat careful about any change to anyone's flag, in case it ends up as zero, unless you want to really bump the fanciness level up and implement speculative execution.) < 1364151516 899851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compared the printout to my own library card, and the bars are identical, but maybe ink printer is not accurate enough? Can you tell me if this is the case? < 1364151520 873085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant by win condition < 1364151526 148826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though speculative execution would be fun too < 1364151545 342818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really the current stuff runs a maximum match length pretty much as fast as anyone needs, but thinking about ways to make it even faster are fun, right < 1364151609 339716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is a topic of interest to people writing bfjoust evaluators too. < 1364151732 807237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess faster performance matters for evolvers still < 1364151816 94162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it would be able to read barcodes from a computer display? < 1364151816 777784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depending on the definition of "matters", but more generations is more good. < 1364151962 676232 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364152052 18723 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1364153098 805833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1364153262 780675 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: daylight saving time? < 1364153649 208934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364154443 600199 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1364155240 705179 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The potential ambiguity is with [ or ] on the same cycle as + or -; in such cases, the flow control command sees the value before, rather than after, the increment or decrement. < 1364155251 114698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to try ([]+)*-1 < 1364155298 673830 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would work better than (-)*128(+-)*-1 if the flow control command could see the value after the increment/decrement, rather than before < 1364155404 647235 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1364155790 858129 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364156359 206373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The 17th vigintile welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for money. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364156580 461795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The 17th vigintile welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for chips. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1364156805 859667 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364156991 402166 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1364157577 330545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a great weekend :) < 1364157598 257779 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a topical weekend < 1364157608 999333 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many chips? did you like them? < 1364157609 443970 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: looking thanks. i would probably have called it loop. when you read the article i propose a new system: fnord bell pc ( fnord slow) :o < 1364157675 874295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "What is printed by the HQ9+ program "HQ"?" "What is the only primitive of Subtle cough?" "In which year was Befunge invented?" "Who invented Befunge?" "What language was used to produce the first Malbolge "Hello, world!" program?" < 1364157737 303187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unfortunately admins cannot add new captchas so I cannot use these contributions to taunt you. < 1364157749 527009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic. < 1364157831 308946 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello World\nHQ", 1993, Chris Pressey, Lisp? < 1364157852 580409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 1993 is not the only primitive of subtle cough < 1364157878 727242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't go for the first or last ones there i think; first one relies on finnicky details like punctuation and such, and latter has ambiguities like lisp vs. common lisp etc. < 1364157882 901521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language with 1993 as its only primitive would be somewhat unusual. but then so is subtle cough. < 1364157891 56337 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a 'c' in there... < 1364157931 266031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just discard punctuation hth < 1364157950 446799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise i did not write the captcha extension :P < 1364157957 844552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tragic. < 1364158024 914916 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364158094 137842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog was clogged < 1364158100 796535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip. < 1364158118 227991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many state-of-the-art SSDs you would have to put in RAID 0 to get performance similar to high end RAM. (Nevermind that SSDs are not random access down to byte level like RAM) < 1364158212 508710 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the other day looking up some bandwidths of things, the dual-channel RAM throughput of a typical sandy bridge system was around 17.5 GB/s ish < 1364158224 66305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the high end SSDs are like 3GB/s or something? not sure < 1364158232 956979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, that is peak, not sustained < 1364158245 919321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 GB/s is what top end SATA does < 1364158246 306286 :Mariu!Jimmy98@89.41.57.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364158260 844238 :Mariu!Jimmy98@89.41.57.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really ? where are they ? < 1364158261 163143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even SSDs have disk cache < 1364158274 855187 :Mariu!Jimmy98@89.41.57.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSDs rule < 1364158283 605438 :Mariu!Jimmy98@89.41.57.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I say, rullz ? < 1364158291 62418 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Strictly speaking modern RAM isn't quite that random access anymore anyways. < 1364158291 762797 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should say "rullz". < 1364158292 118874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what sustained transfer speed is from high end SSDs < 1364158299 198696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, okay? < 1364158313 147252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how does that work? < 1364158323 570158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mariu: what is they. < 1364158334 249803 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the smallest unit you can access is actually a few bytes on modern DDR RAM. < 1364158350 253312 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fairly minor technicality though. < 1364158368 334286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my mental model of RAM: Set address lines, raise another line, the RAM pulls the line into a buffer, now you can read and/or write to said line, byte by byte < 1364158373 15524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that isn't how it works then? < 1364158394 686574 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also there are clock lines and what not) < 1364158403 948453 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DDR bus has made shit a bit more complicated for the sake of higher bandwidth. < 1364158406 249334 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nono, I meant, the high end ones that use PCI-E < 1364158412 147035 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server-grade ones < 1364158422 308354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh hm? Really? < 1364158424 410344 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SATA is 3Gb/s not 3GB/s < 1364158430 363993 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as RAM *chip* clock speeds are still down at 200MHz) < 1364158430 766453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, true < 1364158445 776183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up reviews
< 1364158445 916776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah, awesome < 1364158476 61064 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364158489 927708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-910-benchmark-performance,3226.html < 1364158490 572781 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in general the individual RAM chips still work byte-by-byte, it's just a matter of anything on DDR not letting you act like that. < 1364158496 819600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, this one can do 2GB/s < 1364158497 474605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1364158515 365555 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit wide bus and all. < 1364158549 193051 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also ignoring minor details of how there are points where you can't access some parts of the RAM because it's just the wrong point in the refresh cycle, but that's even more of a technicality. < 1364158623 446684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but refresh cycles have always existed < 1364158631 811014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are dealing with SRAM < 1364158689 784748 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: hmmm? < 1364158714 540463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh, i meant that bf joust gets popular about twice a year < 1364158723 196552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr a bitmask of bytes that should be updated by a write, so even if you have a 64-bit data bus you can do single-byte operations (but I don't remember which kind of ram and for which architecture) < 1364158935 26698 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364158963 52329 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364159031 459724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with caches, I'd assume most RAM reads these days are a full cache line's worth. < 1364159083 691277 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this weekend I went to an anime con < 1364159113 921961 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, cache also jacks up the "random access" feature in a sense. < 1364159248 965567 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if many systems have enough PCIe bandwidth to reach ram speeds < 1364159299 748426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Which one? < 1364159308 738054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunnycon < 1364159341 979668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand there was some sort of a "con" somewhere in Finland (Tampere?) this weekend too. I heard a mention of some Homestuckers. < 1364159720 433905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, "The Intel SSD 910 can easily sustain 1400 MB/s with only a minimal amount of buffering (100 MB)." heh, "minimal" < 1364159740 975168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's because it needs to be able to issue lots of reads at once for pipelining < 1364159744 155763 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how odd < 1364159749 307598 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday I cosplayed Homestuck < 1364159754 517081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And today I cosplayed Finland < 1364159762 77129 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since modern OSs aren't exactly built for super low latency disk reads I guess? and the rest of the sysem too < 1364159770 244721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. which character did you cosplay? < 1364159781 206112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, I just think calling a 100 MB buffer "minimal" is kind of crazy < 1364159799 112137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't modern system usually use gigabytes of disk cache/buffer? < 1364159802 577831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*systems < 1364159807 933364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that mean something else < 1364159822 90777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, true, still, hdd buffers are nowhere near that afaik < 1364159852 813657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1364159852 977320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 16053 13722 2331 0 511 5251 < 1364159853 31820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 7958 8094 < 1364159853 76418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap: 4094 0 4094 < 1364159854 485991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 64MB is normal for high-end disks, but I also think the hdd buffer is irrelevant < 1364159856 454039 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess so XD < 1364159864 857486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true, usually < 1364159874 954335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux will use all your free RAM as disk cache < 1364159879 437149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well yes < 1364159894 763584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, looks like it is using a couple of gb for buffers though? < 1364159916 400604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems a bit much while idling < 1364159976 276437 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: cosplayed finland? < 1364160000 722635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, cosplays??? < 1364160010 114384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that PCIe SSD doesn't look very optimal - a pcie slot can give more bandwidth than that if you install a disk controller and raid lots of ssd:s on it instead < 1364160012 189558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cosplay? Oh okay < 1364160023 654337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true < 1364160027 370119 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, the character of Finland from the webcomic Scandinavia and the world < 1364160039 150307 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i've read half of that < 1364160072 434653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if you get a faster pcie ssd) < 1364160137 85471 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to run out of battery... < 1364160201 321000 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1364160209 141136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, where are you cosplaying? < 1364160225 842768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said up there < 1364160226 810743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1364160235 858889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunnycon, an anime convention in the far-off city of Sunderland < 1364160279 487537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, Taneb < 1364160301 196981 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.180.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there pictures! < 1364160305 319363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a raging fangirl < 1364160307 987615 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, soon < 1364160334 438218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, are you worse than tswett in a general sense < 1364160360 206853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb can't take pictures. it would threaten the space time continuum. < 1364160395 978314 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which homestuck character? < 1364160506 560107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my Finland sucked < 1364160507 362556 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't everyone's finland? < 1364160509 20239 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Vic Mignogna said he liked my hat! < 1364160509 340243 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364160625 61098 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1364160737 769085 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, Jake < 1364160827 961775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh right < 1364160938 722845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Jake related to Nepeta Leijon? < 1364160942 330644 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364160953 91415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1364160957 78562 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1364160968 697062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure they've even seen each other? though there is fefeta < 1364160994 231481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how bad's tswett, generally speaking? < 1364161009 814488 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they are pretty much entirely disconnected < 1364161298 659216 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jake met a ghost-y thing that was a hybrid containing Nepeta < 1364161367 732938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3833 < 1364161416 787236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is gay adoption a form of discrimination against children? < 1364161421 498478 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, as Fiora mentioned, was called Fefeta < 1364161437 665135 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I cannot see how < 1364161542 244399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo nepeta leijon is the best one? < 1364161547 929904 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems slightly reasonable to me, but it does not make a lot of sense to me. < 1364161558 606413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i cosine her on weekends < 1364161636 371460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Cardinal Bergoglio said that. < 1364161646 726646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now known as Pope Francis I) < 1364161882 807272 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1364162017 230085 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364162283 886356 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-218-119.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1364162305 369192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just Pope Francis, although I suppose he is known as Francis I too < 1364162322 39821 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't talk: pope francis, kmc < 1364162327 466265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1364162337 571098 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously they have a few pages on that) < 1364162342 584250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm sure < 1364162353 935007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis 1 < 1364162361 771607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Francis SZ < 1364162378 860990 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty funny to see people cite the vast literature on popes choosing new names, which had only happened once since like the cambrian period < 1364162381 350532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis 2.0 < 1364162387 179591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1364162395 757366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis sr. < 1364162440 504342 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :francis 2.0 should be a sitcom about a hip new young pope trying to work his way around his job inbetween roleplaying online < 1364162458 169074 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can tie into elliott's ARG < 1364162488 873579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he roleplay the pope < 1364162493 602724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is catholic roleplay a thing; say yes < 1364162528 696635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :popepunk < 1364162530 106897 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does porn count < 1364162547 717668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :episode about francis 2.0 nervous attending an offline meet for the first time; he arrives in the popemobile, which the others take as dedication to his character < 1364162567 942840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i would watch that show < 1364162582 76557 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=86248 < 1364162585 133114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would even sign an online petition demanding its return after early cancellation < 1364162625 893025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a real shame that nobody will ever make tv shows this stupid < 1364162635 348096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would pay a lot to watch them < 1364162647 906959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make TV shows far stupider < 1364162649 321537 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you've heard of "Heil Honey, I'm Home!" right < 1364162678 807614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are not one but two current TV shows about celebrities jumping into swimming pools < 1364162685 838415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of it < 1364162697 730741 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The show centres on fictionalised versions of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun, who live next door to a Jewish couple, Arny and Rosa Goldenstein. The show's plot is centred on Hitler's inability to get along with his neighbours. < 1364162706 408501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that specifically? or something a bit more general? < 1364162717 450205 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized pool-jumping < 1364162731 389176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.avclub.com/articles/splash,93833/ < 1364162737 549288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's a specific kind of stupid I'm looking for < 1364162740 762565 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://files.lymiahugs.com/egojoust-stats < 1364162755 998861 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best 100 programs ever in Egobot. < 1364162758 840404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah my friend suggested a similar show about Osama bin Laden, after it was discovered that he was living in a suburban house < 1364162776 802284 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1364162791 519244 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could actually be kind of cool, they could go some way to treating waziristan as more than crazy infidel land, not that they would < 1364162804 664063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like Two and a Half Men except that the unwanted long term houseguest is Osama bin Laden < 1364162809 309642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: is this a heap with all the programs ever < 1364162821 794739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the series finale the US Marines kill everyone < 1364162827 297559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that should happen in every show < 1364162860 571790 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was seals? gosh we just have so many kill squads to keep track of < 1364162868 274581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was how Friends ended right < 1364162881 873328 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, does this mean osama bin laden is played by charlie sheen < 1364162883 503871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't remember < 1364162886 706949 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not exactly < 1364162890 276099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidenote: could there possibly be a stupider name for a show than Friends < 1364162894 392554 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a few hirsutics to prevent running for one day < 1364162897 579705 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than one day* < 1364162900 195124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it was his house in that show < 1364162911 123320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be the other guy < 1364162911 505739 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I still here? Very weak wifi signal in the office :-( < 1364162912 605607 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i'm not up with "the canon" < 1364162916 670395 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes impomatic. < 1364162917 106359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1364162924 304179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly embarassing that I know this < 1364162934 158836 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, i've seen a few episodes too < 1364162938 694827 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best 100 from a hill consisting of the best version of each group of programs with the same name, as compared against the current hill. < 1364162945 844939 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1364162948 755000 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://goodcatholicdykes.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/dear-dykes-religious-role-play/ this was a good thing to google. < 1364162962 637890 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364162965 286239 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw man, Taneb got to meet Vic Mignogna. < 1364162999 702896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh man < 1364163032 448220 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I can see my name :-) https://files.lymiahugs.com/egojoust-stats/ < 1364163036 562770 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even tell how real this is < 1364163051 635063 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top 100 was measured via raw win/loses with ties counted as losses though. < 1364163058 160661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is real, Bike < 1364163058 691610 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might have skewed things. < 1364163122 934868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know he is just known as Pope Francis but I don't like that so I call him Pope Francis I instead. < 1364163131 670716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1364163148 954783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pope Gopher PlainTeX I < 1364163149 546478 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.134.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all of the BF Joust warriors going right back to the beginning available? < 1364163154 298422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you like it < 1364163168 352850 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, it's from in_egobot.hg, all changesets. < 1364163218 250668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: To tell the difference from Pope Francis II (even though there is no such thing yet, I think they should be numbered anyways, since such things is possible) < 1364163239 467069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you will about Chuck Lorre but the man knows his craft < 1364163246 587268 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so do you refer to Peter as Peter I < 1364163253 213950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I watch his shows I laugh when the laugh track tells me to, even if I hate myself for it < 1364163255 321142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd vote for pope zzo38 < 1364163267 969972 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a cardinal < 1364163270 857206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Pope Francis" == "Pope Francis II" < 1364163272 450387 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1364163273 157893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, Peter is the name that is not allow for any other popes, I think. < 1364163286 760549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rarely is it necessary to talk about all the popes of a particular name together < 1364163287 364421 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number before the : is the changeset number < 1364163288 989396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You cannot vote for me, I am not a cardinal. < 1364163293 968567 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's allowed, but traditionally a Peter II heralds the end of the universe. < 1364163302 58292 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You don't have to be a cardinal to be elected. < 1364163307 536525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pope Francis v1.0-g7a3f95c2 < 1364163335 484577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I refuse to be elected pope of the Catholic church if I am not a cardinal. < 1364163348 834895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very mature of you. < 1364163354 790522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pope of Discordianism, I can be, though! < 1364163359 716079 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? there's plenty of precedent. they even have procedure for electing laymen. < 1364163379 82857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like you are allowed to pick Peter II but it would be a big faux pas < 1364163387 618616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What is the procedure? < 1364163411 33926 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get made a priest, then a bishop, then the pope, or whatever. Basically you ascend in order. < 1364163420 316543 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1364163426 474545 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's ever happened but it sounds pretty funny. < 1364163428 629007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pick Pope FIXME and then after you've been fully poped, make a declaration ex cathedra that you are allowed to be Peter II < 1364163451 723379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, yes, you can be if you are made a priest first and so on < 1364163464 169775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think bishop is enough; you have to be cardinal before you can be pope. < 1364163464 873546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :papal infallability would be good fun to mess around with < 1364163498 531142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I was pope, though, I would try to get rid of papal infallability < 1364163498 585777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the pope recognize canada? < 1364163538 866087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: would you use palal infallability to delcare that popes cannot ever be infallible < 1364163552 251761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, that is illogical. < 1364163584 487382 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have bf joust tournaments < 1364163594 240651 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gregory X for instance was a bishop < 1364163602 523621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get passed a clarification that the pope can only be infallible if she is a lesbian hth < 1364163605 985644 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you know in advance who your opponent will be but not what program they'll use < 1364163626 819610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, OK, then < 1364163666 750759 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make a program in function of who your opponent is ("hmm, I know he often uses fast rushes, so I'm gonna try to lock him...") < 1364163690 986375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes < 1364163737 368643 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been 266 popes. Since 1585, no pope is known to have been sexually active either before or after election to the Papacy. < 1364163750 704743 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pope John X (914–928) had romantic affairs with both Theodora and her daughter Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis:" just like my porno < 1364163758 374720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell can you start an article with that sentence, and then go on with a list of all sexually active popes? < 1364163764 290149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly thought to have died due to indigestion arising from eating melon in excess,[43][44] though a rumour was spread by his detractors that he died while engaging in sodomy.[citation needed] < 1364163771 135493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papal infallibility means that the pope is allowed to be infallible by himself if he wants to, without requiring a council. < 1364163784 626623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: did you know the catholic church existed prior to 1585 < 1364163789 527148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1364163795 519897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquot Papal infallibility means that the pope is allowed to be infallible by himself if he wants to, without requiring a council. < 1364163799 398282 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: addquot: not found < 1364163799 679835 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Papal infallibility means that the pope is allowed to be infallible by himself if he wants to, without requiring a council. < 1364163801 184889 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just making stuff up < 1364163803 865226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :990) Papal infallibility means that the pope is allowed to be infallible by himself if he wants to, without requiring a council. < 1364163805 129214 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically the same < 1364163820 404216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait have the last billion popes been celibate all their life < 1364163824 728781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes sense < 1364163838 424252 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1364163851 86802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes < 1364163865 601796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks that's the context < 1364163890 516696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by billion i mean < 1364163891 939031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not billion < 1364163897 647017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, if I was the pope and wanted to get rid of papal infallibility, I would organize the council to consider it. < 1364163921 301437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you use protection? < 1364163932 607559 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking "Pope" just means you're the Bishop of Rome, anyways. < 1364163949 884695 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholics are silly people. < 1364163964 399270 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'll find that eastern christianity isn't real pikhq!! < 1364163993 51205 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, all the other Popes are also Bishop of Rome. :P < 1364164002 40661 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if only) < 1364164007 464442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let's see by billion elliott means uh, like fifty < 1364164034 601700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I said it is illogical. I mean it is illogical if it is not temporal logic, and I do not think temporal logic should be applied here (this isn't a kind of thing that seems like, whether or not it should be, should change, but rather that if you made an error before you can correct it). < 1364164053 372856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is kind of like divorcing pala infallibility < 1364164054 866330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*papal < 1364164056 724015 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope-elect_Stephen Oh, here's another guy who got elected pope. He wasn't even a bishop! < 1364164073 437935 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"List of 10 shortest-reigning popes" < 1364164126 581947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, OK, I guess some people are, but usually they are cardinals, and probably they should select people that are cardinals if they can, but I don't know exactly how it works. < 1364164141 143284 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you're not prime pope material then < 1364164145 391222 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better brush up on that < 1364164166 377171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't intend to be pope. < 1364164215 246246 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even space pope? < 1364164282 29038 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364164283 590589 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy wouldn't take me to his lizard < 1364164304 713562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not pope of the Catholic church, anyways. < 1364164324 651800 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gonna be the Coptic pope? < 1364164360 259650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1364164371 273441 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make up your mind dude < 1364164580 83176 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1364164660 979621 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly thought to have died due to indigestion arising from eating melon in excess,[43][44] though a rumour was spread by his detractors that he died while engaging in sodomy." < 1364164687 799539 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you elliott < 1364164725 475934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you might wish to read the above discussion hth < 1364164746 529048 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1364164863 586050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: im elliott hth < 1364164870 904313 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. < 1364164879 873820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are any pope with fractional numbers (except something I made up for the Dungeons&Dragons game) < 1364164894 167490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I don't think there are any pope with fractional numbers (except something I made up for the Dungeons&Dragons game) < 1364164896 854578 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was Pope John the Fourteenth the Second < 1364164897 656205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :991) I don't think there are any pope with fractional numbers (except something I made up for the Dungeons&Dragons game) < 1364164902 355759 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't exist < 1364164917 183221 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You laugh, but antipopes lead to numbering just as silly. < 1364164983 43904 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364164993 248443 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goats.com/archive/040227.html < 1364165018 359550 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are six different people who have declared themselves Peter II in the last hundred years < 1364165181 378325 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Client Quit < 1364165198 159386 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364165249 647904 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364165260 190599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peter ii" becomes most fashionable name in history, actual antichrist named peter ii by mistake, world implodes < 1364165579 758369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Antipope" is a funny word, however. < 1364165600 36374 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "To convert decimal scientific notation to IEEE double precision using [180-bit precision][...] the [lookup] table used [...] would have nearly 10^20 entries, most of which would contain over 50 decimal digits. The table can be compressed by several orders of magnitude, but it is hard to believe that this approach can be made practical." thanks for clarifying! < 1364165712 744444 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they had an actual elected office called the Antipope. < 1364165773 635536 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we ought to do something like that in a nomic. < 1364165795 923679 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps an office whose job is to violate the rules that apply to the holder of the original office. < 1364165798 95671 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Craziest form of digital video encoding. < 1364165800 675823 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCM NTSC. < 1364165817 446664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the craziest form? < 1364165844 197455 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you should build on my proposed gameplay from last september using that < 1364165850 553588 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm. Maybe. < 1364165857 585866 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a 12MHz PCM signal. < 1364165898 633857 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you're archiving VHS tapes and you need to occasionally copy the data onto more VHS tapes? < 1364165970 291441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the signal I use. < 1364165994 248822 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what if the video needs to be transmitted as audio. < 1364166039 496750 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: In that case I'd use a lower sampling rate. :P < 1364166107 448007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: an Agoran Antispeaker? < 1364166115 827925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose job is to ensure discontinuity of the game? < 1364166124 912964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't have a program to convert other video format into PCM format and vice versa. < 1364166149 604513 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd straight-up be a programmatic NTSC encoder. < 1364166426 776483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even such a program for a single frame, I would like to have, too. < 1364166602 123046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1364166624 597880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1364166629 28404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1364166641 642400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I get connection errors on this IRC a lot? < 1364166763 365207 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1364166793 246503 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364166805 122029 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1364166818 196801 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-212-190.clsp.qwest.net 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:myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you guys have gone to town on the bf joust wiki < 1364167467 941219 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1364167469 195409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167469 730515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did a bunch of people just ping out < 1364167474 639037 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167478 716912 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya missed something though < 1364167486 178187 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm part of that bunch and I'd like to know < 1364167501 690961 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :party at kmc's place < 1364167504 324848 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167513 837625 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167524 746071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go to a party at kmc's place < 1364167527 406237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1364167528 555352 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anti-shudder clear was designed specifically to cause shudder to have a cell at 0 for two cycles in a row; it's not just that it's "long and wacky" or waiting two c ycles < 1364167532 117112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it depends < 1364167539 222677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go to a party at kmc's place < 1364167544 239002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was in sf < 1364167556 765765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo kmc should move to sf < 1364167557 778832 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, regardless of polarity it always manages to counter, and it's possible to make such a clear for any shudder pattern < 1364167569 293210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Latest On Effective mouse pads Secrets < 1364167572 665840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167582 477553 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need to loop at all, the loop is only there to skip the sequence if unnecessary < 1364167587 995739 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1364167630 984870 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what bfjoust would be like if cells had fewer values < 1364167642 227335 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :less interesting, i imagine < 1364167654 288613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if cells had lesser values < 1364167656 192216 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closer they get to 0 the less variation there would be in strategy < 1364167675 702928 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making them arbitrarily large doesn't help either < 1364167679 740152 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits seems a good size < 1364167728 298848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolfuck joust < 1364167739 461530 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@athedsl-410696.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167804 690865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wat < 1364167809 656061 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth. < 1364167816 764190 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1364167820 143445 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :My evolver produced something that amounted to (+-.-+.) < 1364167821 401200 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point < 1364167824 574437 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seemingly got ~20 < 1364167837 9793 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for that? o-o < 1364167862 798541 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it falls into anti-vibration or anti-shudder < 1364167878 77445 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :either the + or - will lock the opponent on 0, the pause will switch in case you're out of sync < 1364167890 681173 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that anyway < 1364167891 861672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the wat was for your mouse pad comment. for the idea of boolfuck joust you get yay! instead) < 1364167929 288516 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could make the win condition something longer than 2 cycles < 1364167942 308387 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the complexity would not be in magnitude but in timing < 1364168030 762163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what cases is the order important of multiple simultaneous MIDI events? < 1364168066 84589 :heroux_!~heroux@80.112.130.60 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1364168069 462101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't mean General MIDI, I just mean MIDI) < 1364168077 914844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just finished setting up my old laptop as an XBMC box < 1364168078 464787 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1364168080 157162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for parties < 1364168087 16758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is a wonderful new page on the wiki < 1364168189 735638 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@athedsl-410696.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Changing host < 1364168189 780323 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hope you never manage to completely remove spam from the wiki < 1364168866 23862 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364168866 68545 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364168866 117505 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364168890 56774 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1364168893 31109 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364168929 639112 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the incredible pages and titles the spam gives us < 1364168935 63792 :olsner_!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner < 1364168970 250516 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169000 580466 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1364169056 750980 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169060 995255 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:48:09 --- quit: Arc_Koen (*.net *.split) < 1364169076 289649 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought netsplit meant the net was splitted < 1364169083 207362 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was actually cut off < 1364169126 611514 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364169126 656047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364169126 748855 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364169126 840238 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1364169138 286610 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1364169350 367674 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1364169468 833977 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky 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