< 1365120068 731814 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365120068 927077 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1365120068 927208 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1365120101 480374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365120205 708055 :augur!~augur@pool-138-88-28-53.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365121016 947135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: btw you got cut off at "why love will never be measu" < 1365121068 935899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1365121291 846891 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365121319 376487 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :measu more like ceaușescu < 1365121405 606859 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1365121544 775444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that behe guy's page is sad http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/faculty/behe.html < 1365121555 834365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "My ideas about irreducible complexity and intelligent design are entirely my own. They certainly are not in any sense endorsed by either Lehigh University in general or the Department of Biological Sciences in particular. In fact, most of my colleagues in the Department strongly disagree with them." < 1365121609 283541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The university itself has a page summarily disavowing all connections with his views. < 1365121629 846270 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical liberal censorship < 1365121643 743955 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1365121674 131634 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Such a research credit system would have huge benefits for one’s career prospects; and it might encourage more effective collaborations. Moreover, these credits could easily be tracked by scientist or project in a database akin to the Internet Movie Database (IMDB). It could provide an alternative to the ever-so-important citation factors as a means of assessing one’s scientific impact. And maybe one day there will even be an Academy Awar < 1365121698 829397 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :academy awar < 1365121705 196778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365121711 533460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I not know about this fellow before. < 1365121719 238898 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds of Science. < 1365121728 381723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: haha link < 1365121732 274393 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses, loads splitlong.pl < 1365121761 104223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this behe guy seems more pitiful than anything < 1365121763 403237 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/news/evolution.htm < 1365121771 456731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behe has testified in several court cases related to intelligent design, including the court case Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District that resulted in a ruling that intelligent design was religious in nature.[2] < 1365121785 65533 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I love its use of scare quotes, btw. < 1365121786 131786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine he is doing very much that furthers the ID cause all in all < 1365121792 359769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know *biochem* and think it's intelligently designed? < 1365121815 833460 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean damn, biology is the least intelligent thing. < 1365121824 984860 :augur!~augur@pool-138-88-28-53.res.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365121838 839709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: man it must be real awkward in that department < 1365121860 299281 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenure is amazing. < 1365121865 788255 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh none of his papers appear to be very biochem < 1365121878 913772 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he published one in "God and Design: The Teleological Argument and Modern Science" < 1365121896 793756 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1365121907 807926 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Ever since he became all stupid-ID, he has a total of one peer-reviewed paper in a legitimate journal. < 1365121911 603387 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare i look at the paper he put a pdf of up? < 1365121923 697792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is what it seems to someone, whether it seems to be intelligently designed to you or completely stupid designed. < 1365121925 327441 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking no < 1365121945 876412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know for sure, of course; this is just a guess. < 1365121967 235613 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated «A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch,” living in North America. Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown ... < 1365121973 107226 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... primate species.» < 1365122006 602683 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365122038 10982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m-hm < 1365122046 758043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read in some book, that it is illegal to kill a Sasquatch in British Columbia. If it exists, it must be rare and therefore endangered species to I suppose it makes sense whether or not it exists, by using this logic. < 1365122241 734014 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365122251 259584 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the person said that governments should immediately recognize sasquatches as indigenous peoples < 1365122420 897882 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365123120 760246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science does not show you whether or not God made up the world and stuff anyways; it only shows you how indirect it is. < 1365123128 319031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized why the library in question emits objects when there's only 1, rather than an array containing the object... and it's not the fault of Cablevision's wrapper around the library. < 1365123137 407138 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Cablevision's wrapper for a lot of things, but not this. < 1365123309 652608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the time of their association, Livingstone urged Sechele to make peace with the uncle who ruled the other half of the Kwêna. Sechele sent his uncle a gift of gunpowder. The uncle was suspicious of the gift and set fire to it. His death in the resulting explosion enabled Sechele to reunite the tribe." < 1365123319 635370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart move, uncle < 1365123356 836286 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365123389 350447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365123458 626543 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365123639 396127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1bo6tm/the_onion_popular_childrens_book_author_reveals/ < 1365123918 444371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365124079 285581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365124104 596893 :augur!~augur@pool-141-156-94-212.res.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365124186 612429 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MEME POSTINGS -- except as comments here: The Official Conspiratard Memes Thread < 1365124191 530219 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo why are you on reddit < 1365124318 689724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo are you on reddit again....... < 1365124355 42890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION star-heart-horseshoe reddit < 1365124427 258601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"meme" means a picture with some text on top of it right?? < 1365124462 929680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh god you may be right < 1365124470 566257 :sdr|Flu!~ask@unaffiliated/sdr NICK :ReadingDragon < 1365124489 533227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might actually have got that as its common meaning < 1365124518 979869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, like... word cancer < 1365124522 363906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1365124525 961896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly mutating and metastatising < 1365124618 557848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365124625 428119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well maybe we'll get mad scientists as a result (see: the miracle of science comic) < 1365124694 647618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the a < 1365124719 763839 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original concept is silly enough that it's hard to feel bad about it being co-opted into whatever the fuck reddit does, except that i don't like reddit more than i don't like dawkins. a dilemma < 1365125069 876480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say that the word "meme" is............ a meme?!?!? < 1365125191 623129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is actually quite active on Reddit < 1365125223 294146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doctor Who spoilers) < 1365125229 129317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you try to Reddit stalk me) < 1365125269 494294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are decent Redditors, they just don't understand how much fun they could be having driving the scum from their shores." < 1365125311 652851 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best spoiler warning ever < 1365125330 960433 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really quite active on reddit (spoiler warning for John's Bells) < 1365125341 846365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why would i "try to Reddit stalk" you < 1365125349 949401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know every last detail of your life from this channel < 1365125373 562503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't. (Although many details not on here are also not on Reddit) < 1365125388 546728 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :name one thing we don't know < 1365125394 841807 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, international man of mystery < 1365125414 496914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his... height? < 1365125427 856588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mentioned my height < 1365125446 944399 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo XD < 1365125448 721752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where he works and information about their proprietary codebase < 1365125450 711353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait n/m < 1365125499 497311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, more like #sgeoconfessional < 1365125501 213008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his height is 1.026 fiorameters < 1365125510 508023 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty short. < 1365125516 217534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a fiorametre in normal heights < 1365125517 939613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many meters are there in a fiorameter < 1365125522 539999 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.56? < 1365125528 397816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's like a smoot or something) < 1365125534 254152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume everyone in this channel is either physically stunted or scandinavian < 1365125548 32514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um, she said fiorameter < 1365125552 12536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorametre is something else < 1365125561 877358 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm actually a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_aliens < 1365125564 184743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fiorameter is a device for measuring Fioras < 1365125575 522311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell measures height in metres < 1365125582 921715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i... wow < 1365125583 466933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ok come on imperial system sucks the most < 1365125591 41392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how tall is even a metre?? nobody knows < 1365125594 741397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :height is measured in meters not metres hth < 1365125597 102232 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I mean, I measure in centimeters, but meters/cm are kinda the same thing really? < 1365125606 429999 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We put forward a practice perspective on absorptive capacity. We illustrate this by network congregating, i.e. repeatedly exchanging face-to-face ideas at interorganizational venues such as conferences, which Intel Corporation attends as a leading member of the semiconductor industry network SEMATECH. < 1365125607 80518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1365125611 487677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're trivially convertible < 1365125624 742302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are literally orders of magnitude apart < 1365125626 502694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when you're using base 12 < 1365125641 805342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but I live in the UK and we like to have at least one stupid exception to every rule. in this case, the exception is that we measure height in feet & inches even though nobody really uses them for anything else except old people < 1365125650 326385 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and you measure weight < 1365125651 321651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in STONE < 1365125653 771540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365125654 282709 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you still use km/h for vehicular speeds < 1365125659 863583 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in the I don't even why < 1365125663 383224 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel the stone is a nice round measurement < 1365125672 980298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just because stones are nice and round! < 1365125675 799052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we measure long distances in miles < 1365125678 691813 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stones Phantom_Hoover  < 1365125683 379309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well I use kg for weight actually < 1365125685 383364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait do you actually use stone < 1365125685 924409 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aw man that's way too consistently inconsistent < 1365125689 245880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, road signs are all in miles/yards < 1365125691 600029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I draw the line at figuring out how much a stone is < 1365125694 900802 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilograms NOW we're talking < 1365125695 95304 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365125712 62730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I measure my weight in platinum-iridium cylinders < 1365125712 423436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically it's a good sized stone < 1365125721 517868 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilograms are nice because a kilometer is literally defined as "how massy this one particular object in France is" < 1365125723 158065 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no fucking clue how much a stone is. < 1365125726 860900 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilogram* < 1365125732 259675 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pounds work, kilograms work, but stone? < 1365125742 566770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a stone is like 6.something kg? < 1365125752 874538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. 14 pounds. what. why 14. < 1365125763 381782 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to imperial measurement! < 1365125768 306207 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's your hogshead of ale < 1365125769 629057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the imperial conversion factors are an even teen < 1365125771 315885 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because the king's favorite stone happened to be 14 pounds. < 1365125773 167965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol stone < 1365125773 671247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like. it has different bases for every conversation factor < 1365125774 834202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where teen also includes 12 < 1365125785 907723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason why british people can never make fun of americans for having dumb units < 1365125796 931912 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a hogshead is 238.480942 liters i hope you like alcohol) < 1365125818 592123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the best unit of measurement is the bloit < 1365125822 330409 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Only some hogsheads are 238.480942 L. < 1365125849 97914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloit: the distance the king's favourite pet can run in one hour < 1365125854 181635 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the greatest hogsheads can aspire to be 238.480942 liters < 1365125860 192793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best unit of measurement is the barn-megaparsec < 1365125865 110984 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which hogshead unit to use depends on what you're *measuring*. < 1365125866 604473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't get over how columbus thought he could sail to the East Indies because he miscalculated the earth's circumference... < 1365125867 924326 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where. < 1365125872 270287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he used the wrong "mile" unit < 1365125887 279515 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his math < 1365125895 328228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 6'3" tall and not scandinavian < 1365125913 264225 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you descended from redwoods < 1365125928 410030 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 5'11" tall and part scandinavian < 1365125941 125689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i think my primary datapoint in this was, uh... elliott < 1365125960 38994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait datapoint in what < 1365125972 433739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone here being medieval height < 1365125978 852015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1365125996 188326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i may have grown a bit < 1365125997 153415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's medieval height? < 1365125998 422571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think i'm decended from british people and german people and maybe irish people? < 1365126001 515104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1365126001 986723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"white people" < 1365126003 315727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. short < 1365126005 553498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk i feel short < 1365126016 447844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought you were school isn't school tall < 1365126016 806701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tall are you? < 1365126026 797704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: exactly < 1365126032 861877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1365126038 726167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't check now because it would ruin the mystery < 1365126039 473917 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you... don't know? XD < 1365126041 603441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time for a heartwarming lesson about how short people and tall people each have unique advantages in life < 1365126043 261768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad assures me my extended family is all short due to malnutrition < 1365126045 416018 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like, quantum height? < 1365126048 565683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sceptical of this however < 1365126052 218027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you don't measure it, it's not decided yet? < 1365126068 991532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's my approach to my weight at the moment :X < 1365126081 924952 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man fiora i forget my fucking age, can't you forgive someone not knowing how much taller than you they are < 1365126096 386342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be like 200 lbs, which was pretty much fine, but then chipotle opened next door to work... < 1365126100 39571 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm teasing and being silly < 1365126112 816735 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you monster < 1365126121 246046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do bikes even age < 1365126130 266891 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but we depreciate < 1365126130 469573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they totally do, you have to replace them after a while right? < 1365126130 932647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if elliott measures his height he'll just become uncertain about the speed he's growing < 1365126139 972401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snerk* < 1365126155 444991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which carries the risk that he will shrink into nothing < 1365126158 116326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got drunk and fixed my bike the other day < 1365126165 236500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still needs 1 more fix though < 1365126166 359882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some say this has already happened < 1365126167 72971 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thug lyfe < 1365126213 481519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike hello < 1365126229 417548 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf! < 1365126231 112395 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up < 1365126263 298397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike߹ < 1365126269 447920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1365126275 953075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1365126277 750536 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nko < 1365126279 272004 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is nko < 1365126379 10676 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a west african language < 1365126399 362334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when will Bike have to be replaced < 1365126443 913085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc will get drunk and fix him < 1365126445 318625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 barn megaparsec < 1365126450 682463 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on a rolling replacement schedule. Parts of me will be replaced all the time, even as you're talking to me < 1365126458 25799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0000030856775813057289536 m^3 (volume) < 1365126615 362945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very big < 1365126756 100441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you contain pieces from the ship of theseus? < 1365126761 939657 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 liter < 1365126774 63580 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1000 (exactly 0.001) m^3 (volume) < 1365126779 373163 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wasn't that destroyed by like a billion years ago < 1365126783 700003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait _are_ you the ship of theseus < 1365126797 542865 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365126798 62714 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 3 mL. < 1365126800 519767 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't I destroyed like a billion years ago < 1365126803 81815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small, but usable. < 1365126812 111968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: possibly. are you being whooshed? < 1365126818 743464 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.109.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 knot / hertz * newton / pascal < 1365126823 323172 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1365126829 718362 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :463/900 (approx. 0.5144444444444445) m^3 (volume) < 1365126849 789422 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 mile/gallon < 1365126855 982843 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.109.136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knotN/HzPa: the best unit?? < 1365126858 486872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :48000000000/112903 (approx. 425143.707430272) m^-2 (unknown unit type) < 1365126863 805755 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1365126889 616333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 2 / 3 4 < 1365126898 892025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/3 (approx. 2.6666666666666665) < 1365127117 384219 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1365127310 732821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Writing for ArtReview, Sam Jacob noted that Sugababes, one of the most successful all-female British bands of the 21st century,[8] "were formed in 1998 [..] but one by one they left, till by September 2009 none of the founders remained in the band; each had been replaced by another member, just like the planks of Theseus’s boat."[9][10] Echoing Hobbes' discussion on the discarded planks, the three original members reformed in 2011 under the name Mu < 1365127334 440191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the name Mu < 1365127339 317873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutya Keisha Siobhan, with the "original" Sugababes still in existence." < 1365127358 544002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchy name that < 1365127370 228059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually just their first names < 1365127431 807537 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mkdir ~/.irssi/scripts && ln -s . ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun && ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong ~/.irssi/scripts/ < 1365127439 432963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1365127449 432987 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/ < 1365127455 432778 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/script load splitlong < 1365127555 64556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1365128477 153741 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365129119 791528 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365129154 316466 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365129234 898999 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365129315 638124 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.109.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1365129567 620658 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365130235 711597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1365130332 389839 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1365130393 569399 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365130817 785669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.neocomputer.org/projects/et/ < 1365130983 588962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1365131189 646859 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The myth: A lot of people blame poor collision detection for this problem. That is simply not true. The collision detection in E.T. is perfect. There are no bounding boxes like in more modern games. Collision detection happens at the pixel level. You can't get any better than that. If you fall in to a well, it's because your player character visually overlaps it. < 1365131240 424401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is... actually really cool O_O < 1365131254 226582 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mods like that are always really impressive, though I think my favorite are the pokemon 'mods' < 1365131277 462945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they do? < 1365131283 490087 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's literally total conversions of pokemon that add entire new regions, tons of new pokemon, non-midi (i.e. recorded) background music < 1365131296 404669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and redo the entire type system and battle logic < 1365131314 798223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it still works on a GBA < 1365131325 944654 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah one of my friends played Pokemon Quartz or whatever it was < 1365131330 602116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they even changed the size of the cartridge < 1365131333 247222 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very weird to see < 1365131335 514349 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good, actually works on real hardware. < 1365131348 931126 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SNES world has stupid shit like people writing patches for ZSNES. < 1365131358 283883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, uh, ludicrous. < 1365131368 419409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FwJjJlESzY < 1365131370 811949 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pikhq secretly the bsnes guy < 1365131374 256323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(example I guess?) < 1365131381 70831 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, I just am a BSNES fan. < 1365131385 633817 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha knew it < 1365131386 532737 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365131408 896685 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365131425 902292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Players looking for additional challenge above game mode 3, but not quite as challenging as game mode 2 (with the nasty FBI Agent) have always felt left out. < 1365131428 926201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 0 players < 1365131436 934645 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I was half expecting that to go into Touhou danmaku < 1365131462 181444 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are these vocals < 1365131470 455387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365131474 653628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quality isn't that great, but it's a GBA < 1365131477 329651 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know GBA sound could do that < 1365131512 506997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know either < 1365131514 716566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I saw this <.< < 1365131599 627979 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is this song holy hell < 1365131619 644491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have multiple tracks too, replacing various themes apparently < 1365131626 223869 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they only increased the cart from like 16 to 32MB (?!) < 1365131645 770209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what they did, like, I doubt the GBA can decode mp3 O_O < 1365131661 304556 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :half their attacks are ohks. i don't remember the elite four being this fast >: < 1365131662 558763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just be low sample rate/mono I guess < 1365131666 730788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with ADPCM? < 1365131674 207306 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean the DS could barely manage vocals right < 1365131685 872307 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twewy's sound quality was... not so good < 1365131740 382232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All official software for Nintendo DS has to use the official ARM7 codes but homebrew softwares may have their own ARM7 codes so that you can do some limited parallel processing and stuff < 1365131760 168514 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GBA is actually probably quite capable of decoding MP3. < 1365131768 70436 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait < 1365131773 971873 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was looking at the DS specs < 1365131774 634194 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365131782 265036 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 16.78 MHz. < 1365131817 901449 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could pull off an MP2 decoder on that. < 1365131853 17256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some fixed point madness too, probably XD < 1365131889 26182 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could you do that while also performing the tortorous calculations of a pokeyman battle < 1365131944 117508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a homebrew program you might be able to, possibly < 1365131962 639203 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening to the actual audio though, it sounds like it's mu-law at a decent sampling rate. < 1365131997 544920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not even like adpcm, even simpler < 1365132014 355496 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gets reasonable audio performance though. < 1365132036 875027 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly if you're willing to shove it at, like, 16kHz or more. < 1365132056 240726 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :128kbps audio if it's 8-bit 16kHz mu-law. < 1365132090 884775 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to have a *ton* of this stuff in the game like that, but you've definitely got room. < 1365132117 941862 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably splurged for the final boss. < 1365132184 603376 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as far as the sound output goes, you can rather reasonably shove PCM out of it. < 1365132218 637835 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that game with barely done vocals on the DS? That's probably just incompetence. < 1365132236 913891 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1365132249 264424 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a lot of movie cutscenes too, maybe they didn't have room. < 1365132283 868272 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 megs. < 1365132384 829623 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does 32 channels of adpcm I think with the normal "bios" < 1365132385 64158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1365132387 658578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should they need so many movie cutscenes? They shouldn't need a lot of high-quality recorded music either (you can use a simple sound generator). < 1365132410 911635 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :streaming music is boring anyways < 1365132426 810274 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It had a lot of rap. < 1365132458 602992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, the chinese spammers have moved on from trying to sell me wire mesh < 1365132464 825136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they want to sell me 'double wire binding machine, double wire forming machine, automatic punching machine, etc' < 1365132474 13642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an automatic punching machine WOULD be pretty useful < 1365132585 650152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punching speed: 4200/5400(times/hour) < 1365132604 40281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic circumcisers? matching salt and pepper shakers? < 1365132604 581592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.109.136 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365132609 413665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365132611 586637 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd better have actually provided that figure kmc < 1365132623 966400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did < 1365132626 531331 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365132631 441056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i trascribed it wrong, it was "4200-5400" < 1365132637 817680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better wtih the / :( < 1365132650 236210 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't invest in an automatic punching machine unless i knew was getting at LEAST 3000 punches/hr < 1365132650 782256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1365132700 176121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a big Internet and it will take a long time to punch everyone on it < 1365132778 646227 :Whtspc!~Whtspc@095-096-150-022.static.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1365132796 934519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll sign up for the kmc punch < 1365132891 652306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :form a line to the throne < 1365133041 249368 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, DS games had a ton of room < 1365133047 453477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest DS cartridge is actually pokemon black/white, I think < 1365133172 675060 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast is the DS's first core? < 1365133192 15108 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~60MHz < 1365133209 758706 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *enormously* fast, but fast enough to do some decent audio decompression. < 1365133222 490075 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp2/mpc is like only half the size of adpcm < 1365133232 45688 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like 100x the cpu usage < 1365133248 499601 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's ok if the cpu is doing, like, nothing else < 1365133255 564331 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only one sound at the time < 1365133313 963115 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3 is even slower due to the added mdct < 1365133318 166007 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365133339 139051 :Whtspc!~Whtspc@095-096-150-022.static.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1365133339 765502 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ogg has even larger MDCTs < 1365133350 796657 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason I was suggesting MP2. :) < 1365133361 271164 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1365133363 295125 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365133393 73619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean vorbis < 1365133401 238799 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: One presumes. < 1365133402 76300 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg=vorbis < 1365133406 135515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1365133411 334911 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg is the container format, I thouht? < 1365133413 322147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365133413 516189 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought < 1365133418 213030 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know ogg is the container format < 1365133419 896805 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically < 1365133423 7248 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1365133431 424016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg speex and ogg flac files are pretty common I think < 1365133431 756321 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorbis is not Ogg. < 1365133438 900774 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in this conversation about technical aspects of music storage formats i was being nontechnical" < 1365133440 51852 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: once again < 1365133441 843149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ogg video files with whatever audio codec as well < 1365133447 989089 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's a bit more common is Vorbis in not-Ogg. < 1365133451 60382 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i like that they're named after an obscure discworld character < 1365133460 661868 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, WebM. < 1365133461 872345 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes ogg is the container format. but it doesn't matter because ogg is only used for vorbis anyways < 1365133465 175022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm < 1365133470 712038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is derived from matroshka? < 1365133471 572196 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OGM, anyone? < 1365133479 84518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: but that's not true and anyway, why not say the correct thing < 1365133482 491407 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, it's a subset of Matroska. < 1365133512 952192 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they called the extension .vorbis, I'd call it vorbis < 1365133525 692474 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they named the files .ogg so that stuck, fine with me < 1365133526 24836 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: That's like saying "MKV" when you mean h.264. < 1365133544 532832 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "AVI" when you mean DivX. < 1365133559 200169 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody calls vorbis "ogg" < 1365133560 841149 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody < 1365133573 132378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1365133574 807633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1365133576 681172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1365133579 188213 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the channel you're in. < 1365133581 56312 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitpicking on that is pretentious < 1365133589 80211 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the channel you're in. < 1365133593 136099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ogg container format is use for a few other things too, and I think Ogg is a much better container format than Matroska anyways. For additional data you should have multiple streams; however many you need for the extra data, and then exclude whatever you don't want. < 1365133593 651612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't deny that i'm being pedantic < 1365133601 361121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's appropriate < 1365133604 226188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in context < 1365133604 924175 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1365133614 831836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365133616 523326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care < 1365133637 615854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may resume your discussion of DCT sizes or whatever < 1365133639 547733 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1365133670 39478 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah irl they mostly use mpc/mp3/ogg (vorbis, whatever) on platforms that have limited bandwidth < 1365133684 212729 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie optical media (CDs, blue rays, DVDs) < 1365133697 802458 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on iphone it's actually not worth it < 1365133765 895082 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :adpcm is twice as large but it's 1/10th the CPU usage < 1365133826 213465 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365133871 847398 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365133960 490042 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally it's also much, much, much easier to implement in hardware, which is why a lot of platforms had it too < 1365134098 739195 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-214-225.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365134592 517437 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365134954 82198 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1365134998 534309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365135497 547784 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365135760 27022 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365135856 997768 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365135888 616179 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365135909 577283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365136270 958483 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365136475 209056 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365136490 601386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vault uses unsafePerformIO < 1365136500 196050 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365136508 71903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping there was a 'pure' way to do that sort of arbitrary type data store < 1365136512 339761 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go fast *obnoxiously distorted Sonic music* < 1365136542 422934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vault uses unsafeCoerce, not unsafePerformIO < 1365136557 546287 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365136566 288179 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1365136568 323291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you need to add a primitive typed name supply where equality gives evidence of type equality e.g. Typeable is actually fulfilling this role < 1365136573 531534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can build everything else on top of that < 1365136575 68083 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1365136590 975797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on hang on what's going on here "this look good" < 1365136592 107761 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9CS3L_ezw < 1365136592 608694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1365136598 480113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1365136608 266081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta get in on this hi monqy business < 1365136616 297717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/HeinrichApfelmus/vault/blob/master/src/Data/Vault/ST/Pure_Lazy.hs#L30 < 1365136656 820367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that one specific file has unsafePerformIO in it, not sure why this would prevent you from reading the other files with more canonical implementations than the IORef hack < 1365136684 692327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I thought the file named 'Pure' would be the purest implementation < 1365136685 903752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually the IORef connection is fairly deep -- a supply of these name things is fundamentally what ST gives you) < 1365136705 811671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Vault and ST are roughly the same thing) < 1365136720 555633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can implement an ST transformer as a state transformer using Vault and some other stuff, etc.) < 1365136795 317384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads http://apfelmus.nfshost.com/blog/2011/09/04-vault.html < 1365136801 622290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in hdis86 the file named Pure is the one with the pure interface, and consequentially the most unsafePerformWhatever implementation < 1365136808 708942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip hip himonqy! < 1365136808 903410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that post probably won't help you understand the primitives underlying this kind of thing < 1365136821 678027 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ???????? < 1365136857 523350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its the "monqy cheeer" < 1365136931 238563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you played the neverhood < 1365136955 168812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1365136961 609056 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent you asked me that at least twice before < 1365137005 417831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i asked the 'old you" < 1365137015 259434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IORef allows you to make (f :: ContT () IO x -> IO [x]) such that (f (return x) = return [x]) from what I can see. It seems to be the only case with ContT with IO monad; not with any other monads, as far as I can tell (except Finalize, which is trivial). < 1365137018 659486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, you can't step in the same river twice, monqy < 1365137348 567439 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-207.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365137463 148823 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365137919 632117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: except the ankh, i just learned from that ship of theseus article < 1365138020 477759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which article < 1365138029 465567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia < 1365138352 671100 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1365138444 529957 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365138526 653801 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365139267 571651 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365139308 695105 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea; The programming language with the most easter eggs. < 1365139348 753812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365139356 993815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write on the esolang wiki list of ideas if you want to < 1365139376 881686 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might do < 1365139395 555224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365139762 236954 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did, under Looks Like. I'll accept opinions on the cbrain article too. Just to get a feel for expectations. < 1365139782 578310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r IO x -> r -> IO (r, [x]) works too, I think, other than what I wrote above. < 1365139794 241571 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much time should be spent on the useless? :-) < 1365139837 43465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: I think the answer is :-) < 1365139863 548687 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :giggles to self < 1365139873 36972 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog noticed < 1365139981 542957 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone try X10? I'm one make rule away from integration with OpenCOBOL, but wonder if that experiment should be suffered to live. < 1365139996 104661 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like x11 < 1365140010 28618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh domotics < 1365140013 60238 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, IBM Java umm C++ err thingy < 1365140022 252113 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X10 is a protocol for communication among electronic devices used for home automation (domotics)."? < 1365140087 691690 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's used a lot, sorry. I mean this one http://x10-lang.org/ < 1365140121 569961 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X10 is a really low-bandwidth protocol as I recall. < 1365140163 483648 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 bits per second < 1365140167 24146 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1365140174 204168 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emits Java and C++, which means mucking about in the build chain with extern "C" when I want to play with COBOL < 1365140178 89388 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X10 provides Java-like productivity with Java or C++ interoperability" i have no idea what this means < 1365140205 906365 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X10 emits either C++ and or Java < 1365140216 568072 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365140284 601511 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only care about the C side really, never buying into the sandbox and being denied programmer hardware access. < 1365140322 757724 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really correct to say "C gives you hardware access" if you're writing compliant C though... < 1365140344 210557 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO standard C is rather different from what people pretend C is. < 1365140360 543737 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but C has Blazing Fast Speed pikhq < 1365140401 878869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it won't give you hardware access if you are writing a portable program. < 1365140405 805238 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-as-people-think is a "portable" assembly. C-as-it-is is basically a weird ludicrously old language that happens to be compilable without much overhead. < 1365140441 461725 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, admitted as such by Dennis < 1365140482 743114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading him complain about gcc is the funniest shit < 1365140494 541296 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it works decently for what it is, but it's a language principally used because it's the language of choice for the lower-level APIs on all common OSes. < 1365140496 989722 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, with C and the internet, you live in the same binary interface < 1365140523 655634 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the ABI is part of the thing, and C wins < 1365140560 668912 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now, with this version of the network < 1365140570 816192 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what network, what < 1365140616 853461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, C isn't assembly language; different computers are all differences. However some of the things in C are close to common things in different computers instruction sets, such as converting between a number and a pointer, and bitwise operations, and arithmetic operations. This makes it very portable, in general (although there may be some unusual cases). < 1365140651 713650 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look the TCP/IP code and you are not in Java 'jvm' space. It's the C ABI, pretty much top to bottom. Python and Perl and Ruby bits, all written in C etc. It's the common denominator of the internet < 1365140665 692584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C didn't even have converting a pointer to a number until uintptr_t did it < 1365140694 327830 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only requirement on uintptr_t is that you can round-trip between uintptr_t and a pointer. < 1365140695 198309 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also the stack frames and little-big end ordering and on and on. Pascal call frame order didn't win. C's did. < 1365140697 108617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: shrug, that's just because of how those language runties work. you can write the wire protocol in something else if you want, people just don't. < 1365140736 168937 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A conformant implementation of the uintptr_t cast could xor the pointer with an arbitrary integer. < 1365140741 932998 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1365140772 525357 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True and actually in the field of course. Fortran web servers and lisp time servers, etc. But I'll stand by the statement, for now, the C ABI is the base. < 1365140795 842965 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's generally what OSes are built on. < 1365140820 7619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk, near as i can tell nobody uses shared objects in very interesting ways though < 1365140823 515700 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because they should or must be, but just cause that's how it ended up. < 1365140925 545421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is true, C does not always have the properties I mentioned, although it is close enough to make it portable, the use of pointers on some computer may not be the same as on other computers, but it can always be used as C pointers, nevertheless. < 1365140965 368917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365140978 453047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1365141083 782310 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it isn't a very esoteric idea, just an observation. cbrain is more fun and it'll never run anything. Sweet. < 1365141168 827673 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The guarantees and lack-thereof in C are pretty fun. < 1365141205 168434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :revised⁹⁹ report on the algorithmic language c < 1365141663 479807 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365141689 476141 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365142103 627366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365142544 721367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365142897 874210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365144776 607821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365144808 672701 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365145967 549893 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1365146900 246310 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1365147881 597678 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365148442 809971 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365148481 478446 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-87.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365148481 672760 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365148535 998063 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365148626 199311 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365148804 649987 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1365149230 664223 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365149784 897859 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365151043 51018 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-135-224.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365151336 197530 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-135-224.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365151665 147172 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1365152052 92919 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-135-224.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365152397 136266 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-154-253.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365152409 896085 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-135-224.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365152782 114336 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-154-253.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1365153243 68525 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365153352 789814 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365153362 205340 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365154120 836458 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365154360 137566 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-154-253.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365154398 634592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365154432 582022 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365154924 871456 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365155168 133367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-154-132.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365155571 895637 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-154-132.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365155647 895625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365156204 896336 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365156246 362194 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which paste < 1365156249 428989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/paste < 1365156259 55829 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/paste < 1365156260 612593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ url paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ cat > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ else # Save making a file when it already exists. \ url "$1" \ fi < 1365156297 148728 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which url < 1365156298 510690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/url < 1365156305 632681 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/bin/url < 1365156306 961347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ print ("http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/" + \ urllib.quote(sys.argv[1])) < 1365156332 18878 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1365156333 998514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ etc \ factor \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ wisdom < 1365156344 458901 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url wisdom < 1365156346 930756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/wisdom < 1365156409 730175 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fascinating < 1365156636 130154 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1365157558 575220 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365157977 935317 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1365158272 561661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a category called if all objects are isomorphic to each other? < 1365158751 481873 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365158764 79904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365158825 350602 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1365161659 777756 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365162473 909620 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365162582 884023 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365162614 2965 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365162753 560709 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365164542 98788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365164910 903497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365164992 572061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1365165149 593417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365165797 758300 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1365165988 728007 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1365166251 587634 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365166599 264142 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365166833 197574 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365167407 982406 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-17.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1365167654 791687 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1365168030 650218 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365168064 98172 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: equivalent to a monoid < 1365168090 230293 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a topic for discussion? < 1365168103 54719 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think zzo38 is equivalent to a monoid < 1365168108 398595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1365168149 298446 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh Taneb < 1365168157 104039 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: " What is a category called if all objects are isomorphic to each other?" < 1365168160 568792 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :04-05 13:37 What is a category called if all objects are isomorphic to each other? < 1365168185 141581 :joop!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365168229 684193 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what exactly is a monoid and how does one use one in a program? < 1365168247 830167 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love monoids. They're so easy! < 1365168266 297091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monoid is basically a generalization of things you can append < 1365168279 155600 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a nothing that is the identity of appending < 1365168302 286934 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1365168313 167151 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a free monoid < 1365168323 874937 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a general monoid is that but you equate some elements < 1365168329 775288 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to get the feeling that you have to use a monoid in order to understand what a monoid is. < 1365168342 617282 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings are monoids < 1365168350 596627 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can stick two together < 1365168365 461827 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the empty string you can stick to anything and it doesn't change it < 1365168388 102363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are monoids in at least two ways < 1365168417 163195 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monoid is (S, f, 1), where 1 \in S, f is a binary function on S, that is, f : SxS -> S, and the laws f(f(a, b), c) = f(a, f(b, c)) and f(1, a) = a = f(a, 1) hold. < 1365168444 811231 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law f(f(a, b), c) = f(a, f(b, c)) basically states that you can write ab for f(a, b) without confusion < 1365168453 101548 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because abc will be unambiguous < 1365168496 985553 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's the commutative property < 1365168508 122391 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1365168511 925391 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1365168515 454785 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :commutative is ab = ba < 1365168522 177444 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically orthogonal to this < 1365168523 693498 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, associative < 1365168527 744519 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is called associativity yeah < 1365168527 939276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: "how do I use a monoid in a program" is the wrong question. "monoid" is a generic interface supported by multiple types. so if you just want an example of "using a monoid" then something totally boring like string concatenation suffices. but the right question is "what do I gain by identifying this generic interface and using it" < 1365168550 409673 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, you know what a group is, yeah? < 1365168593 638013 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I do now < 1365168611 880370 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monoid is a group without inverse < 1365168669 61698 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ah, thanks. I just had no idea what a monoid was :D < 1365168691 366406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we uplift strings to a group, and have negative strings? < 1365168713 719710 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway when i said monoid up there, i meant the category theory definition, which means a category with a single object; in a category with a single object, the morphisms form a monoid in the sense i defined above. < 1365168715 498005 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not completely sure "what ... I gain by identifying this generic interface and using it" < 1365168728 614080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same with monads. easy to explain how IO or Maybe or lists work, somewhat harder to explain what they have in common and why we have a generic interface to all of them < 1365168737 276312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely harder still if you don't distinguish these goals < 1365168771 874058 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: you can write a method that takes a list of values from a monoid, and appends them in that order. this generalizes both concatenating a list of lists and adding a list of numbers. < 1365168783 945093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: edwardk has this 'finger tree' data structure library which keeps an annotation at each layer of the tree < 1365168791 939526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the annotation is allowed to be any type supporting the monoid interface < 1365168800 595148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all you need to do is combine annotations of subtrees < 1365168832 912670 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. That sounds awesome. < 1365168894 917836 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to how Python generalizes the "sequence" interface < 1365168900 371493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365168917 54815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that in Python interfaces are basically implicit and exist in documentation only < 1365168928 740906 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1365168933 625174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Haskell has this "type classes" feature for making the language aware of them < 1365168944 498344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you could standardize a monoid interface in Python too < 1365168953 703006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a Java interface or a C++ abstract base class < 1365168990 956109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be one of those cases where the abstraction is worth it in Haskell, because the language is so expressive, and not worth it it other languages < 1365168997 445906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be the case with monads anyway < 1365169047 144556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw to be pedantic above, a moniod isn't a group without an inverse, it's a group which doesn't *necessarily* have an inverse, i.e. having an inverse is not part of the definition of 'monoid'. but every group is a monoid as well < 1365169077 428160 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a group where you don't care if it has an inverse or not < 1365169139 125326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: another fun monoid is functions from a type to that same type, functions with type like A -> A < 1365169166 853469 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365169168 182671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can combine two of these functions by composing them, which is associative < 1365169189 709643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the identity function is your identity element < 1365169196 912951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse (f . id) = (id . f) = f < 1365169289 628228 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ and that's actually a category with a single object, that is, a category theoretical monoid < 1365169313 328834 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, in Haskell, can you do something like `new_function = (f1 . f2)` < 1365169317 629036 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the category has one object, the type A, and the morphisms are the functions from A to A < 1365169328 819782 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can < 1365169333 885222 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1365169345 771080 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding of Haskell just incremented < 1365169357 900523 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do it in python, so obviously you can do it in haskell < 1365169362 803352 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1365169365 54125 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365169365 423117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has a very light-weight syntax when it comes to defining functions < 1365169394 597418 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: python doesn't have a composition operator < 1365169417 609320 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never even knew a language had a composition operator until 3 minutes ago < 1365169435 967365 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay python doesn't allow you to make new operators, but that's just a syntax thing < 1365169437 784682 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's problem is more interesting! http://imgur.com/5Z57Z4P < 1365169443 858998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in Haskell the composition operator doesn't need to be built in, it's just part of the standard library < 1365169474 311406 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1365169475 383 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write f = dot(f1, f2) in python < 1365169476 141692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (...) f g x = f (g x) in (show ... succ) 5 < 1365169477 936185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "6" < 1365169480 42288 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365169493 313364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: now that you know what monoids are, I can try to explain what a category is, if you don't know < 1365169500 523088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since categories are a generalization of monoids < 1365169505 955764 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay, thanks! < 1365169519 655577 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is "." is a valid name for a function in haskell, and it's interpreted as an operator so it's called by writing "f1 . f2". < 1365169544 422410 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ah, okay < 1365169545 43618 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365169573 525899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well we said that if set S is a monoid, then you can combine any two elements of S < 1365169582 837215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if S is a category, then there are some restrictions on which elements you can combine < 1365169631 471613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if S is a category then every element of S has what i'm going to call a "type", which is written in the form A -> B < 1365169667 631770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this doesn't mean they are functions, although they might be; it's really just a pair (A,B) of symbols drawn from some set of types) < 1365169683 257524 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elements in kmc's text are what i have been calling morphisms, and types in kmc's are what i called objects, just in case you've read my text) < 1365169706 798160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we still have an associative binary operator, but you can only use it when the types are like A -> B and B -> C < 1365169731 813454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rather than a single identity element, you have one of type A -> A for every A < 1365169765 757405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm using nonstandrad terminology for the moment, because I think the standard terminology is confusing from a programming perspective < 1365169802 483614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i see "object" i expect it to be one of the elements of the set we can compose stuff from, but it actually means the alphabet we're drawing types from < 1365169805 541903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1365169834 917446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, one kinda obvious example of a category is the set of all functions < 1365169845 4093 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys imagine I'm in a labyrinth < 1365169855 874952 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to remember in what part of the labyrinth I am to know what strategy use < 1365169859 849490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas monoids only let us talk about functions like A -> A, categories have all the machinery to say which functions compose with which other ones (not by coincidence) < 1365169863 823880 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many ways to program that? < 1365169882 892791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every monoid is a category with only one type < 1365169892 393077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("object" in standard terminology) < 1365169914 478045 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you are alerted whenever you change parts, but that's all < 1365169915 685389 :joop!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1365169929 326452 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could use different functions for different parts, and swap functions when you change < 1365169955 93223 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc: i didn't mean your terminology is bad, just wanted to point out we are talking about the same thing.) < 1365169957 943732 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could say "when you change, start drawing signs on the wall and keep drawing as long as there are drwings here < 1365169962 908328 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ideas? < 1365169991 5552 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case ThatOtherPerson read both and wondered what i was going on about.) < 1365170061 667258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365170086 654236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll brb, i'll let other people give examples of other interesting categories though < 1365170097 908219 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks! < 1365170111 662363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm told that category theory is really about natural transformations, and categories and functors are just preliminaries to get there < 1365170115 863021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know much about that < 1365170136 722766 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other words how many ways do you have to remember the current state when you're implementing a cellular automaton) < 1365170229 617625 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're currently writing an article about the category of cellular automata < 1365170240 376035 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1365170284 330087 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elements are cellular automata, the types are a bit hard to explain < 1365170291 416738 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so for instance http://imgur.com/5Z57Z4P < 1365170318 64882 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like robozzle < 1365170326 9096 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to solve this you'd need a cellular automaton that'd say "until you've reached the orange square, go forward" < 1365170340 210472 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then "once you've passed the orange square, move in a staircase pattern" < 1365170341 337421 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you have just a single head that moves about? < 1365170347 100725 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365170349 833425 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because to me that sounds more like a turing machien < 1365170352 919048 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine < 1365170358 427724 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right < 1365170370 171868 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is: I have no "write" command < 1365170377 772191 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so finite automata < 1365170383 409102 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1365170391 2169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have written a survey on this topic >P < 1365170392 330399 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I know if I have passed the orange square yet? < 1365170393 669922 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1365170402 39229 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :survey on picture-walking automata < 1365170415 373034 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to go to the shop < 1365170545 165429 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: is that you? http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-24897-9_9?LI=true < 1365170949 764839 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the latter author yeah < 1365171038 41169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err < 1365171071 91175 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the survey is not on your actual question, just on the general topic < 1365171074 545811 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lemme look < 1365171095 901844 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365171133 999393 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay that's some kind of picture walking PDA, and i think i've solved this exact problem on robozzle < 1365171143 782894 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDA = finite state automaton with a stack < 1365171154 388094 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the survey is not really on topic, sorry < 1365171195 223432 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yeah I found out about the stack by accident < 1365171196 573550 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1365171199 435704 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it worked out < 1365171215 815993 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the model of robozzle is very interesting, i dunno if it's been studied < 1365171229 577569 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365171231 645928 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I forgot that the remainder of the function would accumulate if I don't reach it < 1365171254 492924 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could do something like "while you haven't reached the orange square, don't do the second part of the function" < 1365171258 603977 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone yet ported Piet to the Pi? < 1365171261 51423 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, loop on the first part < 1365171279 17775 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I'm done looping I've left with a not-loop of many many copies of the end of the function < 1365171285 428004 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that felt weird < 1365171286 894903 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again even in the theory of picture-walking finite state automata a lot of basic questions are open so dunno if you'd get much out of a more complicated model < 1365171296 505372 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the game is fun ofc < 1365171319 296858 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: yeah that's the natural solution < 1365171334 391759 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :much easier with an actual stack < 1365171431 439086 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: what is that game called? < 1365171441 589544 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called fourth test for 42 < 1365171448 241028 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it lasts 4 hours < 1365171463 648376 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the first 9 levels in 20 minutes < 1365171469 354632 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then spent 40 minutes on the tenth < 1365171476 52182 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm on the 12th < 1365171490 677802 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the one I showed you is then 10th) < 1365171522 217821 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1365171533 437857 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this is one of the puzzles < 1365171543 985921 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third test was counting dots not unlike your thing < 1365171552 850217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365171570 266416 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the purpose of the first three tests was to test my patience) < 1365171693 783143 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as i mentioned, i know this game under the name robozzle, and it's awesome < 1365171738 978724 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365171817 702376 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we played it with fizzie some years ago < 1365172315 934651 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: try that one http://imgur.com/ZbbVJum < 1365172373 959214 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my seerpak arrived < 1365172425 504703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember robozzle. < 1365172465 721956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I ordered the physical copy :/ < 1365172490 36100 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you solved puzzle number 1075? < 1365172504 26594 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: i have to solve 1075 first. < 1365172528 551316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what this is all about. < 1365172535 603615 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 1075 < 1365172549 804783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I wanted to throw money at the thing and the tarot deck is awesome < 1365172561 834368 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I didn't have money at the time < 1365172575 703909 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But kinda wanted a physical copy < 1365172584 11441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'd lose the digital download :/ < 1365172647 861874 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365172658 239407 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an email label where I stash download links like that < 1365172825 73650 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 1075 in robozzle. < 1365173365 902529 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365173822 919609 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1365173850 930808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. I haven't touched Robozzle "since then". < 1365174047 252030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run date then < 1365174049 616498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :date: invalid date `then' < 1365174144 643826 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -v '^#' /etc/locale.gen < 1365174146 153158 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /etc/locale.gen: No such file or directory < 1365174168 166082 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $LANG < 1365174169 530846 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ.UTF-8 < 1365174185 25210 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 date < 1365174186 589104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013年 4月 5日 金曜日 15:03:06 UTC < 1365174203 817931 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run LANG=fr_CA.UTF-8 date < 1365174205 328858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :vendredi 5 avril 2013, 15:03:24 (UTC+0000) < 1365174462 460278 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LogicT is ALMOST a special case of ContT < 1365174464 485569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh < 1365174533 907965 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, m (r -> r) /~ m r -> m r < 1365174552 633880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/~) < 1365174553 956516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/~' < 1365174554 151556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1365174554 151646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `/' (imported from Prelude), `/=' (imported from Data.Eq), < 1365174595 666684 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to say "are not sort of equivalent" < 1365174641 645304 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365174678 568383 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: something like ≁? < 1365174689 252836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1365174699 761490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except my keyboard has less than a thousand buttons < 1365174716 73803 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1365175160 908045 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365175292 731525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What kind of lame keyboard is that?" < 1365175365 624752 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a LAME 1701 keyboard < 1365175408 907190 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "Lasers Are Much Easier" model 1701 keyboard < 1365175449 984230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, some sort of projection thing? < 1365175462 793467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An astral projection keyboard. < 1365175484 849055 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe so, but we should ask Taneb to make sure < 1365175505 917396 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's kind of uncomfortable to type with < 1365175677 992572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LogicT is a special case of Codensity, but not of ContT < 1365175686 132573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ContT is also a special case of Codensity < 1365175868 706067 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-152-162.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365175887 344819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LogicT is a better kind of list monad transformer than ListT (which doesn't work). < 1365175906 453545 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Hey! How have you been? < 1365175924 252862 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-152-162.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The future < 1365175924 448350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1365175928 502883 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-152-162.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1365175928 697865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan asked 1d 17h 5m 5s ago: Trivia: I have a cousin who is just like me, except Australian and somehow less awesome. <-- they live in one of the other two Hexhams, right? < 1365175943 638546 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-137-170.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1365175946 382149 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-152-162.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1365175960 221500 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHAPESHIFTER < 1365175984 143880 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365176000 141243 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365176394 498777 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-152-162.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1365176754 732508 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-152-241.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365176974 311906 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-152-241.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365177088 80449 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramdom request: could somebody ping 2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 ? < 1365177218 553609 :calamari!~calamari@173-148-184-156.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365177233 989267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not seem to answer to me. < 1365177239 255528 :calamari!~calamari@173-148-184-156.pools.spcsdns.net PART :#esoteric < 1365177255 529792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A random other v6 address -- 2a00:1450:400f:800::1002, one of what google.com resolves to -- does. < 1365177854 500993 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365178317 925026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklofok < 1365178324 945325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a maths question i need to ask you < 1365178364 211736 :mig22!~mig@bb116-14-187-3.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1365179161 129653 :mig22!~mig@bb116-14-187-3.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1365179511 902501 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1365180183 269968 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is 42 anyway < 1365180591 716643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Are you gay?” “42.” < 1365180593 23886 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maths) < 1365180602 988903 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many trees can you fit into a square? < 1365180705 338300 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the so called tree-packing-bound. < 1365180740 324008 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a tree is actually just a sphere connected to a cylinder. < 1365180744 556315 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365180772 624604 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*into a cube < 1365181352 125193 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365181716 683362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1365181849 669557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh, you replied < 1365181876 102777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what do you call a space that's made of subsets of the euclidean space glued together so the entire thing isn't isometric to any euclidean subset < 1365181899 376766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep calling it 'non-euclidean' but i don't think that's accurate < 1365181937 832818 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 'non-euclidean' is roughly the vaguest term ever so < 1365181950 664015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1365181964 273679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely it's not euclidean less the parallel postulate < 1365181999 530603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if parallel lines met or whatever, 'non-euclidean' woldn't really narrow it down, i mean < 1365182046 374708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what you meant, Bike < 1365182077 685227 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have no idea about the actual answer < 1365182183 990863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so err, do you mean a simplicial complex which cannot be embedded in R^n for any n? < 1365182191 47164 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i don't know a name for this < 1365182232 477857 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what you describe sounds more like a manifold < 1365182281 152222 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1365182297 433589 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i think about it, i do know a name for a simplicial complex which cannot be embedded in R^n for any n < 1365182317 939754 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a simplicial complex is referred to as "nonexistent" < 1365182353 105439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course if you fix a dimension, then this can happen, and anything can happen with manifolds ofc. < 1365182381 705649 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case i don't have any nontrivial answers, but non-euclidean sounds wrong to me too < 1365182382 512731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365182386 268449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a topological question < 1365182519 539126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365183150 122098 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365183194 927377 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1365183195 470475 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 051700Z 28018KT 15SM FEW050 FEW080 06/M02 A2983 RMK SC1AC1 CU EMBD SLP103 < 1365183367 710798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What city is CYUL? < 1365183530 466696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365183620 428489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365183853 720978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYUL probably < 1365183921 895457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otoh, since wikipedia has so much contents about canada - maybe everything on wikipedia is just made up?) < 1365184360 274780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Montréal. < 1365184360 508299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1365184397 150484 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: welcome to wikipedia, where canada is made up and weather doesn't matter. (but tim hortons does, eh) < 1365184706 14189 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365184732 103550 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365184740 486159 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365184769 898357 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365184976 690095 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365185012 168180 :18WAC8WUR!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365185287 901455 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365186194 876555 :calamari!~calamari@173-148-184-156.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365186210 767976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i read ~metar output < 1365186303 299955 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial infos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR < 1365186313 563741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful tool: http://www.metarreader.com/ < 1365186314 279686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used the http://www.flyingineurope.be/metar_taf_decode.htm table. < 1365186331 117581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One needs to scroll past the TAF bit.) < 1365186352 464353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1365186352 804974 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 051820Z 36006KT CAVOK 04/M04 Q1012 NOSIG < 1365186367 12548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, still above freezing. < 1365186425 779075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today we had snow, rain, hail, snow and rain, wind... < 1365186448 694357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lately it's been so that it's -10 to -5 °C in the night, but somethin above +5 °C in the day, so during the day all the snow and ice melts, then at night it freezes again, and in the morning there's patches of mirror-polished ice everywhere. < 1365186515 496846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar ESSA < 1365186516 390393 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSA 051820Z 01006KT CAVOK M00/M08 Q1017 R88/09//95 NOSIG < 1365186605 903349 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365186811 732069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: same here < 1365186819 812605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :M00, says the cow. < 1365186838 958112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should clear the cows out the runway. < 1365186856 522027 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying cows? < 1365186904 136298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the cows could fly away they wouldn't be as much of a problem < 1365186940 329831 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joining mid-conversation and trying to figure out what is going on is always such fun < 1365186984 320363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1365187146 94289 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365187184 613203 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365187354 133640 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1365187359 518130 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1011) metar lead to canada, more metar and cows < 1365187378 591414 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.147.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365187509 597794 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365187635 308663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh well err if you want an actual isometry, then it's possible that not all simplicial complexes can be embedded. < 1365187648 544266 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what did you mean by the question not being topological < 1365187668 548392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant. < 1365187775 128234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KBOS < 1365187776 104027 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KBOS 051754Z 25007KT 10SM SCT050 SCT070 BKN150 12/M03 A2973 RMK AO2 SLP068 T01171033 10122 20050 58041 < 1365187786 935552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I learn how to read this < 1365187796 681114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so if you take an equilatelar triangle with the metric obtained from gluing three intervals with their natural metric metric then i suppose it doesn't embed in R^n for any n < 1365187804 281369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-metric < 1365187824 291903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uh < 1365187827 964065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably not what i meant < 1365187831 412767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1365187862 37042 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like kind of a fucking weird metric < 1365187868 929659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365187882 389921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you don't metrize simplicial complices < 1365187887 286523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this < 1365187892 489623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 19:23:30 how do i read ~metar output < 1365187892 684836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:03 partial infos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR < 1365187892 685040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:13 useful tool: http://www.metarreader.com/ < 1365187892 685149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:14 I've used the http://www.flyingineurope.be/metar_taf_decode.htm table. < 1365187895 670388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25:31 (One needs to scroll past the TAF bit.) < 1365187918 909441 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the natural metric in some sense, imo < 1365187938 116519 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see the logic but it still seems fucking weird < 1365187997 793442 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the idea was that to measure the distance between points in different components, you make the shortest path which is affine on each simplex and add up the lengths < 1365188009 829805 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if people do this < 1365188016 418111 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365188037 929923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right wait i just realised why doing this with isometries is probably impossible < 1365188059 20012 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1365188076 254239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's awkward for the reasons you described < 1365188095 440246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i mean is the sort of trickery showcased in this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xFbRecjKQA < 1365188114 225852 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-17.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1365188215 478772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1365188330 834967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :antichamber is probably a better example but i couldn't be bothered finding a video < 1365188539 911580 :18WAC8WUR!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1365188599 853614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti- or antechamber? < 1365188607 601049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the little cube you have to crawl through is a deliberate Prey joke. < 1365188635 487808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti < 1365188728 252745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a game I should bother with < 1365188781 904280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365188784 80580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1365188800 874751 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost < 1365188838 418274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 IIRC. < 1365188956 608095 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18!!!? < 1365189009 448731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, it's less than 20 sandwiches < 1365189090 639325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you buy really cheap sandwiches! < 1365189101 982544 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either those are some amazingly inexpensive sandwiches, or that's not a very useful comparison. < 1365189127 835918 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't have a Windows computer at the moment < 1365189144 812407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can hoovers eat sandwiches < 1365189153 688813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can hoover them < 1365189157 223148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're sufficiently small < 1365189165 690992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's where the price confusion is coming from < 1365189209 201480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or perhaps both? < 1365189303 401998 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd have to convince my brother to let me use his computer to play a weird game < 1365189322 966529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It'll probably work under wine *shrugs* < 1365189332 501655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This assumption based on nothing but wine's overall success rate) < 1365189387 583980 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that I'd need to overcome the Chinese Graphics Card Problem IV: I Thought I Had Fixed It But Nooooo < 1365189429 719620 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So #esoteric folks, what should I do with my Nexus 10 tablet? < 1365189430 904889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a new graphics card but woops it was chinese too < 1365189442 679726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats racist monqy < 1365189457 821188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365189468 894191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we are all racist monqy < 1365189487 579258 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, the first graphics card came from a bootleg website and came with a manual only in Chinese < 1365189513 88757 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you get it if it was from a bootleg website < 1365189518 411418 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a bad idea < 1365189529 378588 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that now. < 1365189536 121292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :schoolboy error there < 1365189550 206184 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second I think is legitimate < 1365189556 546154 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just suck at graphics cards drivers < 1365189567 764734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also my brother stole my screen so I can't fix it < 1365189585 898859 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365189603 85370 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndGregor, do you know Gregor? < 1365189607 229553 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tablet??? < 1365189621 604857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should be able to use that for leverage to play antichamber on his computer < 1365189644 807194 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probs could without him noticing < 1365189648 277721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome AndGregor < 1365189650 409020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AndGregor: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1365189668 784139 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Gregor you dopes X-D < 1365189678 902461 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Confirmed) < 1365189890 874172 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't multiply like tribbles and andtribbles, everything is fine. < 1365189958 763816 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to figure out what to do with a tablet PC. < 1365189975 58871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a novel < 1365189986 654408 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you like paint or something < 1365189987 571222 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About cuboids invading Edinburgh < 1365189988 620899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chisel your poems in it, like a real tablet! < 1365189999 700458 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never figured out what tablet pc`s are for < 1365190012 393474 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do I... < 1365190017 481642 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1365190022 723401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tablet PC" or new style tablet a la iPad? < 1365190023 19443 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I... < 1365190031 349580 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're like laptops but more so < 1365190031 609643 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're for selling, obviously < 1365190059 540187 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new style tablet mainly....laptop with a tablet-y screen makes sense at least < 1365190072 295693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: they're for demonstrating that you have lots of disposable income < 1365190102 859757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for having a web browsing device that just works < 1365190108 204036 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tablet PCs are for checking your email, IRC and stuff during dinner when you can access a real computer < 1365190117 923247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. not running Windows < 1365190130 100473 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what I use mine for < 1365190133 599954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple could just sell laptops with iOS on them, but then they wouldn't make as much money < 1365190148 156857 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365190153 608457 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could sell laptops with macos on them < 1365190154 475560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you sell a alptop with iOS on it you might as well sell a laptop with OS X on it instead < 1365190157 470557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*laptop < 1365190173 821690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since iOS is basically OS X with a simplified interface designed for a device that isn't based around a keyboard and pointer device < 1365190177 415829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no because the iOS is less likely to break, by virtue of doing fewer things and being totally locked down < 1365190197 165013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think macbook airs that people use for web browsing or whatever have a reputation of breaking < 1365190212 607536 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo make another version thats even more locked down and sell clothing with it installed < 1365190218 120753 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just about get away with using a tablet PC in the pub. No chance of using a laptop in the pub. < 1365190241 746246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain implant. now you are the iOS < 1365190264 504953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1365190334 762883 :calamari!~calamari@173-148-184-156.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1365190337 188088 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365190360 802514 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365190404 807630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHO WAS PHONE < 1365190415 362857 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1365190425 231172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS PHONE < 1365190468 29181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots Taneb  < 1365190482 907670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NO LONGER PHONE < 1365190497 272664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE NOT, YOU ARE DEAD < 1365190564 63714 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS PROBLEMATIC < 1365190586 889610 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365190613 316998 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365190723 875645 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WAVES HANDS. TANEB IS NO LONGER DEDD. < 1365190728 804346 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEM. < 1365190786 209028 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an Android tablet, a Nexus 10. < 1365190796 788822 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah. < 1365190811 528816 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda makes me wonder what tablets are for. < 1365190875 373449 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tablets are for people to sell to other people. < 1365190881 603852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : can we uplift strings to a group, and have negative strings? <-- yes. < 1365190901 240169 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I indeed said that. now on to understand what I said. < 1365190908 902239 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck negative string < 1365190909 475286 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1365190968 983018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: see: free group. strings are already a free monoid. < 1365190983 601384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why < 1365190986 164068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1365190993 632557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i typed "this is why" into my irc client and then got distracted < 1365191000 835905 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to write a Core War app for Android. And a decent Forth interpreter. And a decent personal wiki. < 1365191039 844807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write all three in one < 1365191079 962765 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be something like Smalltalk < 1365191082 472675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe you meant to say "this is why < 1365191125 332429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1365191135 744256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1365191148 873989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)))))))))))))) < 1365191163 122176 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :::::D < 1365191203 565625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1365191235 173393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3333333 < 1365191284 969161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. you. < 1365191311 466385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŏ_Ô? < 1365191317 368312 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the caps lock is to the left of the "A" on your keyboard < 1365191361 441075 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of year stock take :-( < 1365191705 615768 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365191910 83492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ThatOtherPerson: edwardk has this 'finger tree' data structure library which keeps an annotation at each layer of the tree <-- afaict edwardk is neither the inventor nor maintainer of the fingertree package < 1365191992 920243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when in doubt, say edwardk did it. < 1365192005 37964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was ezyang, also starts with an e < 1365192013 795129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365192016 234049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i am wrong < 1365192020 831089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that because I saw him give a talk about it < 1365192024 876574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my memory is hazy < 1365192040 691455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: he probably would have invented it if no one had done already, right < 1365192075 384905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually finger trees are probably not category based enough for that) < 1365192091 360998 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait since when did trees have fingers < 1365192103 363545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOUR PICTURE PLZ < 1365192116 997742 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do these trees have servers which answer to the finger protocol? < 1365192119 640024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um let me find it < 1365192160 96968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sRyCi.png < 1365192163 828553 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, finger trees are a cool kind of tree < 1365192168 679216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did monqy see the finger tree < 1365192177 75195 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: cool trees sound cool < 1365192226 17801 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thank you for that image, now I know exactly what a finger tree looks like! < 1365192236 457985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365192267 460165 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah i have < 1365192271 479131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good tree < 1365192281 303942 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of my arms dream < 1365192288 228538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm mm arms < 1365192298 491373 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~ross/papers/FingerTree.html < 1365192358 169414 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I do not believe that is truly what a finger tree is; it is much to boring; I am sticking with elliott's interpretation < 1365192364 66099 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much too < 1365192426 691736 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pfff < 1365192427 344494 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365192458 919434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I see it I am just reminded at how much of a pain GIMP made it to make < 1365192520 229138 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: on second thought, elliott just blasphemed against GIMP. I shall now study that URL you posted in great detail. < 1365192538 455680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used GIMP < 1365192540 851460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: it's kind of awful < 1365192561 1326 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I have used GIMP < 1365192563 582983 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2.8 is a bit better < 1365192564 976424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, in Haskell, can you do something like `new_function = (f1 . f2)` <-- in principle that's good, but there's an obstacle you sometimes hit that's called the "monomorphism restriction". < 1365192565 574000 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as Photoshop < 1365192578 527728 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like both < 1365192591 533321 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, he's not ready to hear about the monomorphism restriction < 1365192597 908875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like either < 1365192606 552628 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1365192611 997988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several ways to get around it, though, including an option to turn it off entirely < 1365192624 73389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: remember newLISP < 1365192625 857278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: which is why i didn't explain what it was duh < 1365192636 345406 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365192646 440297 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh duh duh DUHM < 1365192651 807976 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365192665 293379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it's relevant here because one of the ways to get around is to use functions with explicit arguments. < 1365192673 508407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it is < 1365192685 782950 :AndGregor!~Gregor@pal-178-016.itap.purdue.edu QUIT :Client Quit < 1365192697 862210 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there any photo editing software that you do like? < 1365192703 698413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you use new_function = ... a lot you are much more likely to hit it < 1365192706 235688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CorelDraw < 1365192707 544388 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1365192720 720844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: no < 1365192732 508489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I like gimp the least < 1365192750 582941 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are in a sad position, and have my pity. < 1365192752 951645 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1365192846 887957 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365193084 743042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm told that category theory is really about natural transformations, and categories and functors are just preliminaries to get there < 1365193091 471736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's a famous quote < 1365193149 241697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Saunders Mac Lane, one of the founders of category theory, is said to have remarked, "I didn't invent categories to study functors; I invented them to study natural transformations."' < 1365193300 155696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category theory < 1365193301 908076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365193322 878919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Category theory is the theory of categories. < 1365193326 655901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365193338 458035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should clear things up. < 1365193353 685169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1365193355 970780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1365193358 409918 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1365193383 448987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Category theory is the theory of categories." >wisdom/'category theory' < 1365193386 708725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365193393 711489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category theory < 1365193395 503945 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category theory is the theory of categories. < 1365193410 43421 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there also a category of theories? < 1365193472 831862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm quite possibly < 1365193484 894588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about it though < 1365193498 705791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theory might have several meanings < 1365193519 908440 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories < 1365193823 789863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1365193825 757604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1365193828 813999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote in category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories < 1365193832 337367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1012) in category theory, category theory is a theory in the category of theories < 1365193928 574014 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1365194088 194678 :Qkac!598552c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.133.82.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365194126 645211 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365194129 500467 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: retcooooonnnnnnnnnn < 1365194157 376787 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365194212 809621 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: his hand wasn't there the whole time, was it? Did I just not notice somehow? < 1365194297 433157 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: no < 1365194299 677929 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the image URLs < 1365194311 272429 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I know, heh ;D < 1365194335 387818 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365194420 939950 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365194578 712556 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365194800 749093 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-129-213.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365194871 208312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/~' < 1365194873 657608 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-91.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365194878 816768 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365194897 352788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/~ is obviously the non-MonadState variant of /= < 1365194905 316917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/=) < 1365194907 217008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => a -> a -> Bool < 1365194912 984219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1365194930 568469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hm that may be why it isn't defined, since the corresponding /= cannot be < 1365194996 67094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi,exp 1) & _1 ^~ (/) ?? 2 -- will this have the right fixities? < 1365194998 50613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral (a0 -> a0 -> a0)) < 1365194998 244871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use ... < 1365195011 364904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi,exp 1) & _1 ^~ ((/) ?? 2) -- will this have the right fixities? < 1365195013 324178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral (b0 -> b0)) < 1365195013 518875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Co... < 1365195016 143442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1365195025 383611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^~) < 1365195027 43137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral e, Num a) => ASetter s t a a -> e -> s -> t < 1365195032 694658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1365195040 817522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi,exp 1) & _1 %~ (/) ?? 2 -- will this have the right fixities? < 1365195043 551196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (*Exception: showsPrec: No overloading for function < 1365195047 688272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365195049 291954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365195059 163784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pi,exp 1) & _1 %~ ((/) ?? 2) -- will this have the right fixities? < 1365195061 861403 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1.5707963267948966,2.718281828459045) < 1365195076 260676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just (/2) < 1365195077 181351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1365195107 124818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well yes, but i was trying to separate / and 2 < 1365195114 373346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i guess failed < 1365195114 918457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365195120 637431 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-133-91.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1365195353 804817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1365195355 47467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (//~) < 1365195356 315175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (//=) < 1365195356 715890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => ASetter s t a a -> a -> s -> t < 1365195358 70562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fractional a, MonadState s m) => ASetter' s a -> a -> m () < 1365195396 937625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh, what do you call a space that's made of subsets of the euclidean space glued together so the entire thing isn't isometric to any euclidean subset < 1365195416 337306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometric is, as it turns out, the wrong word < 1365195435 273103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think isometric is fine? < 1365195488 529292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you seem to say the _geometry_ is locally euclidean, not just the topology < 1365195503 195248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the latter, the word you want is "manifold") < 1365196069 930510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl i was sure there would be a word for this from complex branch cut theory, but they just use riemann surfaces, which is too general < 1365196086 86343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at wikipedia) < 1365196269 727893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_surface#Parabolic_Riemann_surfaces is too specific i think < 1365196293 814632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'd think curvature 0 is something you want < 1365196693 336935 :Qkac!598552c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.133.82.195 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1365196948 661512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if the cows could fly away they wouldn't be as much of a problem <-- i dunno, getting a cow flying into your jet engine would probably suck < 1365197136 31556 :Regis__!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365197186 976966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: anyway i am still imagining complex branch cuts here; like with f(z) = sqrt(z) you have to go twice around the origin to return to the same place < 1365197244 922553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the surfaces you need to define the functions on in order not to have cuts. < 1365197254 609857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or multiple values. < 1365197325 94497 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365197455 8864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : For that I'd need to overcome the Chinese Graphics Card Problem IV: I Thought I Had Fixed It But Nooooo < 1365197466 130457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is another esolang name suggestion, right? < 1365198649 45016 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365198742 718269 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365199528 35136 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1365200251 965209 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365200770 174509 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-66-177.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365202033 866979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :french porn spam, now on esolang < 1365202105 931021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it hot? < 1365202126 852816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tres haute < 1365202356 35119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you sound like an expert. want to handle it? < 1365202395 218510 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the French porn is free, save some for me. < 1365202468 571219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be a pert, but now i'm out of shape < 1365202533 579585 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, I might have a problem. < 1365202539 406904 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-14-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote... yet another Brainfuck interpreter. < 1365202585 615639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think yabi may already exist < 1365202635 18794 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That IS a problem. < 1365203275 480983 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1365203870 466155 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365204078 29845 :boily!boily@nat/northsec/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1365204126 451907 :boily!boily@nat/northsec/session QUIT :Client Quit < 1365204606 402767 :Jafet!~Jafet@60-242-81-155.static.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1365205280 725545 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1365205623 425558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you randomly mentioning newLisp to me? < 1365205689 783058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a log with newlisp talk in it < 1365205741 345567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, newLisp < 1365205746 921696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: remember newLisp? < 1365205777 325095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it would be good for a codenomic but not necessarily much else < 1365205906 812163 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365205916 271792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy