< 1365811285 90025 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-192-154.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365811413 535570 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-6-16.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365811432 24476 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7dc5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1365811433 3167 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db434e0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365811630 520635 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-204-215.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365811827 949238 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-192-154.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365811895 626433 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-204-215.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365811929 897671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365812283 806024 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365813376 929353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100 yards -> m < 1365813386 919287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2286/25 (exactly 91.44) < 1365813547 478150 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-70-234.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365813610 296250 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-70-234.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Nitya < 1365813646 24329 :yours_truly!~yours@mc-115-116.IPReg.mcmaster.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1365813708 845391 :yours_truly!~yours@mc-115-116.IPReg.mcmaster.ca QUIT :Client Quit < 1365813743 897437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-210-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365813785 11170 :Nitya!~Glossina@71-34-70-234.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365814156 842744 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365815884 18603 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-19-97.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365815937 525641 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365816026 524895 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-234.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365816310 700977 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Cbrain#When_is_Easter.3F The computus in cbrain < 1365816373 470499 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-19-97.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses readline? < 1365816374 907895 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-19-97.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365816462 240698 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, but it can fall back to COBOL accept if the call to readline fails < 1365816550 907809 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-132-189.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365816554 928575 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the cbrain game is that it's built for COBOL, and I wanted a relatively sane RE loop < 1365816626 107619 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-132-189.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for brainfuck? < 1365816700 653855 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) Went overboard on the CB slang too Bike, put 1094 in a cell and request help and you get a frogSort. < 1365816708 44499 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-19-97.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365816873 818538 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-132-189.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1365816987 501027 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-103.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365817105 440672 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1365817251 623389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard terminals? Those are ones that aren't monoids? < 1365817257 556192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are VT-100s monoids? < 1365817432 640303 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-6-195.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365817437 565481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequences of ECMA-48 commands should form a monoid, yes < 1365817451 874890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather a whole bunch of them < 1365817463 270777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_(science_fiction)#Babylon_5 < 1365817466 312719 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia... < 1365817472 809480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http:// < 1365817475 683207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover.......... < 1365817501 72779 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365817512 645810 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the #Babylon_5 < 1365817518 262051 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marvel here is the article as a whole < 1365817524 748645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most obviously the free monoid on characters, but also various monoids with stronger equivalence relations that understand that e.g. two moves in a row can be coalesced < 1365817536 404888 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-103.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365817553 867245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a term for a monoid that's built from a free monoid + a normalization operator that you apply to words after concatenating them? < 1365817579 515312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you build any monoid that way? < 1365817588 971334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1365817602 86426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid presentation? < 1365817621 940259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might not be a canonical normal form that is computable < 1365817650 617090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the word problem isn't decidable < 1365817664 474923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its word problem < 1365817730 399409 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't care about computability, you can of course just choose the shortest representation in lexicographic order < 1365817772 574958 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-102-6-195.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365817796 551865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first in < 1365817841 547678 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365817855 222955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikeunderscore < 1365817872 747235 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not as catchy as the original. < 1365817875 408746 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bicyclidine < 1365817883 853950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are free groups "cooler than" free monoids < 1365817890 807155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this question goes for the rest of you < 1365817898 96469 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by cooler < 1365817904 543221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was quoting you < 1365817922 111311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on what YOU MEAN BY "cooler"?? < 1365817929 239368 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????????????????????????????? < 1365817933 484857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????????????????????? < 1365817934 726000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1365817939 406935 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free monoids come up more in day to day life < 1365817949 782001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure that makes them "less cool" < 1365817949 976417 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate surloin steak < 1365817952 65325 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are easier to construct < 1365817975 51484 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier/less finicky < 1365817990 631220 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, hm < 1365818005 697382 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ~usual~ construction of free groups is pretty finicky but i hear there's a nice way to do it with topology < 1365818026 234781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the nice way < 1365818031 907865 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff i forget < 1365818034 582743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nb. i know almost nothing bout topology < 1365818069 135590 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365818112 165418 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course ther'es the category-theoretical way where you use the whatever adjoint functor theorem to construct a left adjoint to the forgetful functor. i forget the process in there but Mac Lane ~claims~ it's nicer than the usual construction < 1365818134 300935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: wait there's a process ????? < 1365818140 32501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the whatever adjoint functor theorem < 1365818147 432130 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i remember < 1365818159 551668 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365818192 432022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: WELL REMEMBER < 1365818278 488583 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Freyd Adjoint Functor Theorem). Given a small-complete category A with small hom-sets, a functor G : A -> X has a left adjoint if and only if it preserves all small limits and satisfies the following Solution Set Condition: For each object x \in X there is a small set I and an I-indexed family of arrows f_i : x -> G a_i such that every arrow h : x -> G a can be written as a composite h = G t < 1365818284 487555 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\circ f_i for some index i and some t : a_i -> a < 1365818369 329853 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it goes on to construct the free group from the forgetful functor U : Grp -> Set < 1365818395 515461 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1365818397 384199 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set -> Grp < 1365818400 283368 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1365818402 610731 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grp -> Set < 1365818406 549511 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow im bad today < 1365818429 532297 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes darted between the forgetful functor and its adjoint < 1365818457 970773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are you forgetful because of adjoint < 1365818467 748764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know you were doing higher category theory < 1365818491 828507 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This left adjoint F : Set -> Grp assigns to each set X the free group F X generated by X, so our theorem has produced this free group without entering into the usual (rather fussy) explicit construction of the elements of F X as equivalence classes of words in letters of X." < 1365818547 650647 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im on the monads&algebras chapter right now it's between that chapter and adjoints and the chapter on monoids < 1365818551 544628 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1365818553 810675 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chapter/section < 1365818557 82258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how in haskell you can say newtype FreeGroup a = FreeGroup { runFreeGroup :: Group g => (a -> g) -> g } < 1365818560 67220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's bad < 1365818570 526979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm missing a forall < 1365818573 999007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a kind error??!? < 1365818593 506160 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be right back and then i can figure out if i know that < 1365818624 41019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway let me look at that theorem < 1365818858 531212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365819324 719276 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason Idris seems more understandable to me than Agda < 1365819343 634077 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i understand that definition of free groups in haskell < 1365819369 765307 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :( hi iim back) < 1365819374 466901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365819396 284869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it be in idris? < 1365819400 799016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( hi PARKER William) < 1365819412 563814 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1365819426 223455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just a pseudonym < 1365819428 399700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i not use it < 1365819437 174704 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's fine but < 1365819441 451739 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get why you used it < 1365819455 761280 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ???? was also to FreeFull as well < 1365819462 238763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o h < 1365819503 234306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this: newtype Free k a = Free { runFree :: forall r. k a => (a -> r) -> r } < 1365819543 962197 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by k a do you mean k r? < 1365819550 543536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1365819551 447705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365819565 930499 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365819576 434393 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a group here? < 1365819580 649746 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1365819584 136112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GROUP HUG < 1365819586 174137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug monqy < 1365819586 836790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1365819590 359211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug monqy < 1365819590 850136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1365819597 137615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have seen that kind of Free < 1365819612 417282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: what about this: Free (Algebra f) < 1365819628 874455 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a math thing called "group" other than the usual one because i swear i will punch everybody < 1365819643 598928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: there's a whole group of things called "group" < 1365819643 831356 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: nah this is the same group < 1365819658 316430 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but freefull made me wonder < 1365819683 631652 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: Are you going to throw a magma at someone? < 1365819757 654307 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and that definition of "Free" looks right..well...about as right you can reasonably get with haskell < 1365819793 137068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are you hinting "that type classes are bad" "and that independent types are bad for getting things right.." < 1365819803 774645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the latter maybe i don''t know.... < 1365819807 63595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: don't you mean groupoid? * runs away < 1365819826 823915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: so Free (Algebra f) gives you a free monad?? < 1365819841 41083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spot why this is relevant) < 1365819878 400924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I don't like using Algebra as a class, but yes it can work < 1365819902 456884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodensityAsk is similar but without class. < 1365819915 455819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both kinds can be meaningful though. < 1365819925 757361 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365819930 955714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh! < 1365819936 369202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I understand what CodensityAsk is. < 1365819937 647925 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groupoid takes two arguments and is a data constructor. g doesn't seem to take any arguments < 1365819952 311771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Group seems to be a typeclass < 1365819995 781026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1365819998 858546 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no i'm hinting at you're really working in 2 different categories and sometimes your morphisms are weird (group homomorphims??? it could happen).. i'm also hinting at there's the thing where for free objects you have a (natural)bijection of hom-sets not just an 1-way assignment < 1365820009 127912 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365820011 855595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: oh there's that too < 1365820023 15430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you didn't get the reference sorry < 1365820024 874761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you get the (-> r) (-> r) pattern from the adjunction?? < 1365820045 845782 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xoid is something x-like and that's all I get < 1365820049 551359 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you understand how free objects work right? < 1365820055 170236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the point is that groupoid _is_ a math thing other than the usual groupoid) < 1365820074 257706 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1365820076 21992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what's a free object in terms of free functors < 1365820091 135296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a monoid is something like a mon, so for example pikachu is a monoid < 1365820098 541004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: it can mean either magma, or category with all morphisms invertible < 1365820109 684974 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: free object is any image of a free functor's object function < 1365820112 262901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(groupoid) < 1365820117 404654 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote So a monoid is something like a mon, so for example pikachu is a monoid < 1365820121 180941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1025) So a monoid is something like a mon, so for example pikachu is a monoid < 1365820166 673695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote | head -n4; quote | tail -n1 < 1365820168 899694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :439) beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck \ 870) it's kind of the multiocular O of countries, if you will < 1365820172 990001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1365820178 849517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote '' < 1365820180 523144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :470) combinatronics seems to be the mathematics chasing buddha's tail yeah.. he was a smart monkey that buddha < 1365820193 764547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ok < 1365820229 629153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to show how a pikachu is a monoid < 1365820231 530688 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck itidus < 1365820248 482045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quitidus21 < 1365820249 686026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quitidus21: not found < 1365820258 533523 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so the adjunction looks a bit like hom(F a, b) \cong hom(a, U b)... i.e. for any [group] b can extend any function from a to the underlying set of b to a ~unique~ morphism from the free group to b < 1365820259 879586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is that how they made itidus21 leave the channel < 1365820286 987299 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you're familiar with linear algebra, this is a lot like how linear transformations are defined by their action on the basis. this is because all vector spaces are free. < 1365820287 220865 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm itidus is online right now < 1365820319 194421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: and with monoids that's like foldMap < 1365820328 533728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddha was known to outsmart monkeys < 1365820329 266634 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365820340 533126 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra is basically foldMap < 1365820352 727316 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldMap < 1365820354 546712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m < 1365820358 110217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn a a function (a -> b) to the monoid homomorphism ([a] -> b) < 1365820370 283927 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365820372 441523 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db434e0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd2 < 1365820384 650838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in haskell we just represent as a function anyway < 1365820439 358983 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for that freegroup defn what you're doing is just representing the free group on a by this map from a->Uq functions to Fa->q morphismssms < 1365820464 912973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, same as the free monoid < 1365820466 802810 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this generalizes to any category with free objects not just Grp < 1365820469 644644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :representing a list by its foldMap function < 1365820481 578560 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1365820482 170938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gets you FMList < 1365820498 583099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which by the way lets you express more than lists. but that's because haskell people are naughty) < 1365820520 579530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe you should call CodensityAsk something with a "free" in its name. < 1365820533 900060 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just because of that thing where haskell functions aren't monoid homomorphisms and you're not required to bijection < 1365820557 360849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the whole "infinite folds thing" < 1365820561 309247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or do you mean that too?????) < 1365820573 314525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap id [] < 1365820575 165792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1365820581 703863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1365820604 131965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/mempty < 1365820631 447162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap id ([] :: [Int]) < 1365820632 83994 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: default instances < 1365820633 459934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid GHC.Types.Int) < 1365820633 654714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of... < 1365820660 971614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for [] it tries mempty < 1365820669 96371 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365820672 448343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mempty < 1365820674 318168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1365820681 581338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: well it has to try something < 1365820700 247225 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes but i mean it's less about trying mempty and more about trying () as its default instance for Monoid < 1365820711 990617 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldMap id ([] :: [Sum Int]) < 1365820713 737034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sum {getSum = 0} < 1365820714 182586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: no it tries mempty < 1365820723 299704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that didn't work it would try mappend mempty mempty < 1365820724 709448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and so on" < 1365820732 450718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know how computers work < 1365820732 820925 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is a good default for mempty < 1365820747 249719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as FreeFull says () is a good default for mempty < 1365820760 119016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monoid m where mempty :: m; mempty = (); mappend :: m -> m -> m < 1365820764 728836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good default" < 1365820765 423456 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() is in general a good default, except when it's not and monomorphism restriction is fucking with you < 1365821009 968649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: is your nick mnoqy 'because a message was sent to monqy' < 1365821024 101504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your secret < 1365821051 106355 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() tells you nothing whatsoever other than "Yup. There's a () here. It's not a bottom." < 1365821065 290575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of telling. . . . < 1365821103 955635 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the minimum amount of telling without having just a bottom (Not to be confused with Just bottom) < 1365821135 151189 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> () <= undefined < 1365821136 562137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1365821140 615241 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's debateable, I mean, what if you knew it was an Integer? That narrows it down but there's still infinite objects it could be. < 1365821149 801072 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> () /= undefined < 1365821151 498671 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1365821160 553551 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/=) < 1365821161 298843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Eq and Ord instances for () aren't lazy < 1365821161 895427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => a -> a -> Bool < 1365821218 858113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: "Yup. There is an Integer here. It has this and that value. It's not a bottom" < 1365821232 483307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value bit is extra data < 1365821265 322398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 4 . show $ [1..] < 1365821265 877644 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not that i know of... < 1365821267 174409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[1,2" < 1365821276 994331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 4 . show $ [1,2,3,undefined] < 1365821278 855685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "[1,2" < 1365821282 67318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect < 1365821290 162608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a bottom bit, which is filled in by expressions that would be bottom. < 1365821310 143733 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the evil bit joke just wasn't dorky enough < 1365821329 252095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Well, if you actually have the Integer, then you know it's not a bottom < 1365821338 907478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have a bottom, you don't know it's not a bottom < 1365821346 129490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclid1ne: hey remember slashdot on "evil bit day" < 1365821353 686553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you don't know it's a bottom < 1365821360 491160 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except possibly in IO < 1365821365 473686 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why the fuck would i remember slashdot anything < 1365821392 745412 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some bottoms are nicer than others < 1365821438 454061 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :divergence has that fun property where something something halting problem good luck telling if it's a bottom or just taking a long time to evaluate < 1365821457 382042 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you care < 1365821464 687368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i love that property < 1365821488 735274 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can tell something is an error < 1365821492 441573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1365821495 155930 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But otherwise, good luck < 1365821496 688387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion! < 1365821499 165422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie! < 1365821504 504247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other Finnish people! < 1365821518 868287 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a finnish crissis < 1365821522 534508 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, reserving one bit for bottom is a waste, since in any sensible program you shouldn't get bottoms. So for Integer it should be like variable length to make it less important than actual integers, like 111... < 1365821562 459767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: they switched to dst?? :'( < 1365821569 78523 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1365821578 210727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look at this < 1365821579 564444 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. serves em right. gosh ive been in dst for (weeks???) < 1365821583 79508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Apr 13 05:51:17 EEST 2013 Europe/Helsinki < 1365821583 273481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Apr 12 22:51:17 EDT 2013 America/New_York < 1365821588 638039 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eest < 1365821590 134016 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1365821595 50750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :four letter time zone < 1365821596 91540 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: What about () and other equivalent types? < 1365821613 450679 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365821621 243796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those don't even exist at runtime AFAIK, at least not with GHC-compiled code < 1365821668 995294 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf! < 1365821691 382233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: plz rename your time zone to something with three characters < 1365821732 899755 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+03 < 1365822043 787323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEST? O_O < 1365822059 435211 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeest < 1365822063 141873 :btiffin!~btiffin@24-212-223-48.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1365822064 673487 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi bike < 1365822079 211961 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fiora < 1365822080 926135 :Bicyclid1ne!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365822089 150810 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up < 1365822193 544609 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :relaxing at home because it's a friday and yay < 1365822199 97152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray. < 1365822208 685573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: () exists at runtime < 1365822211 249198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing video games cause yaaay. < 1365822270 465460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value is represented by a pointer to a heap object, like any other value whose type has kind * < 1365822290 236131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that since there's only one value () in the world, that object is allocated statically < 1365822300 534732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for True and False and Nothing and other nullary type constructors < 1365822324 962753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely optimization must elide it being represented in some cases. < 1365822356 422793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: there are types in GHC that have no runtime representation (such as State# t) but they don't have kind * and can't be used polymorphically < 1365822371 283509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so that means that the compiler can do things like "if object == ()" by doing a pointer comparison? < 1365822392 4992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but don't know if it does < 1365822402 159343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice it'll probably check a tag bit in that case. < 1365822413 329997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yeah, it can't really do that < 1365822416 393054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365822420 109059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one side of the == might be an unevaluated thunk < 1365822422 800203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing how tagged the STG seems to be < 1365822424 848220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I give you a () it could be an unev -- that. < 1365822428 218145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to perfrom some arbitrary computation first < 1365822438 625079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's tagged in a different sense from the original "tagless" < 1365822440 25770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1365822444 241843 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, wouldn't the pointer comparison still fail? < 1365822454 683862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but it wouldn't succeed for real ()s. < 1365822458 142587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1365822466 734119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so real ()s haven't be evaluated to static ()s < 1365822467 899327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, you could have a fast check and then a slow check if they aren't equal < 1365822472 878760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since haskell is nonstrict. < 1365822477 888498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that (==) on () is strict, anyway... < 1365822482 366713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But it's even faster to just check the tag bit. < 1365822484 35080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefined :: ()) == () < 1365822485 702743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1365822486 917737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which == are we talking about here? < 1365822488 723543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, if the tag bit is there < 1365822494 680391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one in Eq i assumed? < 1365822503 564450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1365822508 310916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even read the question properly. < 1365822514 533560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :()'s Eq and Ord are strict < 1365822532 319184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So you're talking about the case where you have a pointer to the static () object, but it's not tagged? < 1365822723 491484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC optimizes "data Result = Yes | No; foo x | x == () = Yes | otherwise = No" to "foo = \x -> case x of _ { () -> Yes }" < 1365822854 557907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you see what it optimizes to? < 1365822876 151833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots and lots of wishful thinking. < 1365822884 534527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use ghc-core.) < 1365822885 552165 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the usual. < 1365822887 778565 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the _ there? < 1365822893 459105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Core syntax. < 1365822949 244523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that means that it checks the tags on its argument and then either "returns" Yes directy or evaluates the thunk and "then" "returns" Yes. < 1365823075 152236 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not for those darn bottoms, it wouldn't make a difference =P < 1365823148 609353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (== ()) = const True < 1365823333 82034 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it just "foo = const True"? < 1365823336 545633 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1365823338 876778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"const Yes" < 1365823350 123749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because (undefined == ()) isn't True < 1365823383 405880 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1365823391 749010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can't be false either, if it is not defined. < 1365823394 609382 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1365823420 369006 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo x = x `seq` Yes < 1365823426 101013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :halting problem more like "computers are stupid and i hate them problem" < 1365823433 534277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yep, that's what that foo code means. < 1365823436 656084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :case means seq. < 1365823472 639405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: You can't do case null in Java < 1365823482 245139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only way to catch that case is default < 1365823486 354437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is case null a sex position? < 1365823487 45509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Java sucks < 1365823504 443038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: why is Sgeo saying things < 1365823528 790291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand the things he's saying : : < 1365823541 508877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm starting to see the subtle good parts in Java and the subtle bad parts in Java, rather than just the obvious bad parts in Java < 1365823564 128360 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious good things about java is that you can get some results < 1365823571 15431 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty quickly < 1365823573 557148 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's about it < 1365823579 690948 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it comes with a standard gui library < 1365823607 267691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about package naming convention? < 1365823659 625817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as no alternate DNS root starts becoming very popular, Java package names will be unique < 1365823674 679137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Alternative < 1365823704 533157 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365823727 610700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: how much would you pay for a hi tld < 1365823729 932247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy.hi < 1365823731 512638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy.hi < 1365823735 407215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the possibilities are endless < 1365823803 214608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever bitcoin's possibilties and failings, I think something along the lines of namecoin is possibly a good idea < 1365823807 405562 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get .hi.us already if hawaii likes you enough < 1365823831 596791 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um < 1365824092 800865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: um < 1365824108 69039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: dol um ber ist < 1365824741 1611 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esolangs based on the immune system? < 1365824936 198924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm. so like. you'd have some super simple esolang like a BF-like thing, except the purpose of the langage is to print characters in that lanugage ... and maybe like, the "execution" of your code is a systematic search for an input program that generates your code < 1365824940 361310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that input program is the output of your code? < 1365824957 999408 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vaguely similar to the immune system "massive exhaustive search for a thing that binds to the pathogen" thing) < 1365824963 823062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds almost too direct < 1365824997 588990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out a guy who got a Nobel for immunology work had some developmental brain theories so now i'm thinking about things. < 1365825020 259201 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the immune system is really fucking complicated and more importantly I don't understand it. < 1365825020 696126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: was it you < 1365825028 432396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was me. < 1365825089 366811 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The font the Nobel people use for their PDFs is terrible. Somebody should make the stop. < 1365825092 223470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :them* < 1365825142 468990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Though both sciences still face exasperating problems, this lecture attempts to establish an analogy between linguistics and immunology, between the descriptions of language and of the immune system." < 1365825150 356110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1365825162 85033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguists more like evil people with no souls < 1365825163 331211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are bad < 1365825168 388852 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap! < 1365825179 86930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the term "immune response" is actually taken from linguistics. < 1365825195 423475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean "it was in a language" < 1365825215 229055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing stimulus/response terminology. < 1365825231 734729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ooh. I know < 1365825236 142558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :input: bf joust program < 1365825241 655010 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :output: bf joust program that always beats it < 1365825244 343743 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365825246 227047 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha. < 1365825259 536780 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably uncomputable. < 1365825276 543663 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i know shit about bfjoust. < 1365825277 592661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are linguists < 1365825281 257656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNCOMPUTABLY AWFUL < 1365825292 11070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have something you'd like to share with the class? < 1365825331 502948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT DES NOT COMPUTE -- Lost in Space robot, on linguists < 1365825404 431288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let me draw attention to the fact that this number of lymphocytes in the immune system is at least one order of magnitude larger than the number of neurons in the nervous system." neuroscience more like pointlessology < 1365825536 419695 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say it's so big < 1365825538 932958 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it makes you nervous? < 1365825561 109601 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes gesture of mediocrity
< 1365829943 896960 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365830428 172394 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365830563 380239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365831034 5149 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1365831866 663600 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365832100 169683 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you idris < 1365832984 629458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365835979 429125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1365835982 861805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1365835984 691371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? funpuns < 1365835986 413501 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365837507 698797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365837738 630206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365837755 499573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1365838058 327968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nrrrr, I've been mentioned during the night. < 1365838100 954857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry! < 1365838101 165979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, EET -> EEST. < 1365838109 87419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just complaining about your time zone. < 1365838115 813953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very irritating. Can you get it renamed? < 1365838121 297855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's very understandable. < 1365838143 649415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to complain to the head guy of Eastern Europe. president@eastern.eu? < 1365838186 937215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they had a king. < 1365838227 795321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they've got both. < 1365838259 548014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the king of Finland think about that, hmm? < 1365838312 890740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might Cc: emperor@central.eu too, because CET changed to the equally stupid CEST; as well as tyrant@western.eu for WET -> WEST. (You could write a postscript about WET and WEST being innately silly too.) < 1365838331 153301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEST isn't so bad < 1365838348 717463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEST and EEST < 1365838357 83413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What's your time zone?" "It's wet.") < 1365839708 635888 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365839739 865104 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365840075 32944 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PART :#esoteric < 1365840090 680733 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365840436 872924 :AnotherTest!~user@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365840462 888523 :AnotherTest!~user@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1365840825 839389 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365841228 52126 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365841409 783755 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365841683 417232 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365841734 198278 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365842578 236011 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365845190 197677 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365846261 872992 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365846768 88428 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365847778 136378 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365847870 597158 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365847933 879997 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365848275 697630 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365849441 875763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1365849582 636852 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1365849752 58541 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365850629 42377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1365851719 875725 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1365852753 606159 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365853010 207901 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia JOIN :#esoteric < 1365853257 908061 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365853369 905483 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365853381 668138 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1365854166 201030 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1365854633 958213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1365854639 277764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1365855072 75277 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f16f.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365855695 131479 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f16f.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1365855805 563237 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b67c5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365856327 666200 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365856732 583409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365857924 612636 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365858033 564592 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365858984 578477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: attn. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Revolution_9 < 1365859000 844199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i have used idris briefly < 1365859005 29966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1365859006 36794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quit < 1365859808 50075 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365860235 842331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to come up with a language more trivial than brainfuck < 1365860395 192439 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do? < 1365860522 381871 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365860621 32273 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you must. < 1365860645 61294 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-repayment_mortgage < 1365860717 640967 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Gold pour – an illustration of literal cash "flow".” < 1365860896 249046 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365860928 43801 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you. < 1365860941 932671 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365861894 567536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : “Gold pour – an illustration of literal cash "flow".” <-- what a terrible pun < 1365862857 863886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365863076 64814 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slashes puns with a Vorpal sword
< 1365863234 595165 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365863279 273503 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365863301 220948 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that, they make a snickering sound. < 1365863417 497312 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b67c5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adamatomic.com/canabalt/mega/ < 1365863426 891483 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b67c5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT's a cool game..so classy! < 1365863475 937963 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b67c5.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :death sprint < 1365863650 16561 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365863699 725977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, I only attacks Jabberwocks < 1365863703 936062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack* < 1365863737 779493 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365864004 560425 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365864148 555149 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prints off a table of odd and even numbers for use in the office...
< 1365864944 49653 :Dmina!~Dmina@213.155.209.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365865309 54016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's too hard to check if a number is even < 1365865315 472827 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is given in binary < 1365865324 772826 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it which case it's still pretty hard but much easier. < 1365865327 413485 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1365865420 932942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (because it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1365865557 13318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a computer I usually just do if((~(x & (INT_MAX >> 31))+1)==0) printf("it's even") < 1365865623 409661 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1365865641 323636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: amazing < 1365865647 753893 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that or ((~(a & (INT_MAX >> 31))+1)*-1+1)%2 < 1365865671 694720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (because it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1365865675 981830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1026) i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (because it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed lan < 1365865687 120908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1365865870 734491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the kind of things in a dream that it might be. < 1365865960 342853 :Dmina!~Dmina@213.155.209.187 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1365866017 594722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as call/cc you might also try the other variant which I called "lem/cc"; I have proven that it works not only in logic but also in programming < 1365866080 576129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the dream where you are mainly observing the dream rather than acting the dream? < 1365866142 212021 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365866153 545602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately < 1365866156 731613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the type of lem/cc? < 1365866228 383642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell it is: Cont r (Either a (a -> Cont r b)) < 1365866290 364551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1026 < 1365866295 578915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (because it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed < 1365866309 916129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1365866313 567442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1026) i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1365866359 32022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it, what changed < 1365866472 766923 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: several characters were added to the end < 1365866597 934302 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365866615 26220 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he removed a "because" < 1365866716 789999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365866835 459941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow such cheating < 1365866870 701589 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365866883 267277 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically I think we have to delete the new quote, then you can say your modified sentence and elliott can quote that < 1365866950 675920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream just now where i was in a gymnasium and they had fire alarm pull stations but they also had a similarly shaped "call/cc alarm" which I think you were supposed to pull if you found a way to write call/cc (it was expected that people in this gymnasium would be doing a lot of programming in total dependently-typed languages) < 1365866956 699430 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1365866957 377541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1365866973 198703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now i'm the liar because it wasn't "just now" anymore!!! < 1365867004 47455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo removing the "because" loses something < 1365867019 448660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about we go back in time < 1365867025 484755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fix the irc rfc to allow more chars < 1365867031 222981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1365867041 507537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorten hackego's username to c and make it a single-digit-number quote < 1365867043 799848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be enough chars < 1365867141 942030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make hackego split lines that are too long? < 1365867202 340510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha < 1365867816 483720 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365868063 751037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365868143 111651 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365868989 369210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is putting large chunks of butter on my bagels a bad idea? < 1365869033 177937 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "large" < 1365869044 534378 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY CRUSH THE BAGEL < 1365869046 716065 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1365869047 34616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll die irl < 1365869050 813304 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365869052 32465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(R IP) < 1365869060 880455 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got crushed by the butter < 1365869076 926110 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like butter. < 1365869077 136112 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yeah with your diet you're at serious risk of coronary disease < 1365869125 790810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot tell if Phantom_Hoover is serious or joking
< 1365869161 650338 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is most likely < 1365869189 882652 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, woops, Phantom_Hoover is most likely < 1365869217 229394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have been gaining quite a bit lately, if I'm not careful I could end up... with... too much weight... this is a bizarre concept for me < 1365869245 520855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean butter is fatty, right? Is it a healthy kind of fat or an unhealthy fat? < 1365869305 947710 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unhealthy, I think < 1365869316 171219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeing a lot of natural BS sites promoting butter as healthy < 1365869464 541602 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365869475 42761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not sold on this idea that weight gain / loss depends so much on what /particular/ kind of fat / sugar / etc. you eat < 1365869504 966745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's blood congestion rather than weight gain that the saturated/unsaturated thing is about < 1365869507 726097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no expert but in my end user capacity, i think that's a second order effect < 1365869514 391815 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MONGOLIA'S MEGA-FISH IN FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL" just fyi, cablegate stuff from 'unimportant' countries is p. great < 1365869518 758079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i thought Sgeo was talking about weight < 1365869527 114503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"164-Foot Genghis Khan with Laser Eyes to Tower Over Niagara" < 1365869542 437041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1365869564 871895 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . < 1365869570 71115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1365869573 715527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[.. CSX ..] < 1365869593 759711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently during the soviet era stuff about genghis was repressed due to that whole "conquered russia" thing < 1365869649 248824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although the Mongolian-Kuwait bilateral trade relationship remains minuscule, mostly trade in falcons," < 1365869659 578359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :falconcoins < 1365869673 427569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mongolia and Kuwait < 1365869694 495889 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mongolia With Kuwait Against Iraq; Bond of Falcons" < 1365869717 827290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow apparently a mongolian falcon is around $7k to buy < 1365869743 784438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, while trying to gain weight, I don't feel like having a heart attack from having the wrong kinds of fats floating around < 1365869857 64746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad suggests after some time I should get a lipid profile. Haven't heard of that before, but that sounds like it makes sense < 1365869968 847098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ate teriyaki sirloin steak yesterday < 1365869979 546018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sauce had more flavor than the steak < 1365870136 387334 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sauce is specifically designed to have flavor < 1365870142 41877 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the steak is just meat < 1365870155 641911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why do people like steak so much then? < 1365870188 240879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They even tell me that getting steak well-done ruins it < 1365870198 595837 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365870212 901076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had it medium-well last night) < 1365870403 538472 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I like it meat in small chunks with the hell cooked out of them, because they've got a more fun texture that way < 1365870527 710025 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365870566 649940 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365870609 643907 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, uncooked beef has hell in it??? < 1365870651 876797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1365870688 297106 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hell" `elem` ["uncooked","beef"] < 1365870689 621774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1365870693 414291 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1365870774 262815 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've ever eaten uncooked beef that has sat out for too long then you'd know all about the hell in it < 1365870776 514818 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-69-125.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365870885 724934 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-221-81.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1365870907 222509 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365870914 707782 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, people are weird about steak < 1365870935 935741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: you also get the fun texture if only the outside is burnt < 1365870961 556973 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365870971 557428 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not fun enough < 1365870986 978062 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365871062 885709 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365871081 47647 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows XP makes wireless networking with your computer easy and secure, so you can work where you want, when you want." < 1365871114 226810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you cook sous vide steak, you get to keep all the juices and can put them on mashed potatoes, which makes them delicious < 1365871129 373662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which demonstrates that steak itself is not flavorless < 1365871134 136284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, plain steak is kind of sad < 1365871140 685396 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sous vide? < 1365871155 695118 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experience the ultimate in safety, security, and privacy" < 1365871158 715494 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah right < 1365871163 813408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, are you watching XPTV? < 1365871176 739503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need seasonings (garlic, salt, pepper) and sides (mashed potatoes, fried mushrooms, french fries, greens, etc) < 1365871191 264028 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's this great show on "Registering components" < 1365871198 115047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not really fair to claim that the steak is not doing anything < 1365871201 479371 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then once in a while this black DOS screen pops up < 1365871202 651157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flavors are not linear additive < 1365871206 402176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aO0jumwHdg&list=PLBFD29B2364412ABA < 1365871207 95645 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We've removed DOS" < 1365871210 79665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, ^ < 1365871210 274200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flavors enhance each other < 1365871214 593735 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-69-125.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365871228 603304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sous vide is a way of cooking meats that was popular first with gourmet chefs and now with hobbyists < 1365871280 991540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the goal of cooking a steak is to raise the interior to only about 135°F; traditionally this is done by grilling or frying at a much higher temperature, but then you need to be really careful about the time to make sure you don't over-cook it < 1365871313 559310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cook a steak sous vide, you vacuum-seal it in a plastic bag and then put that in a water bath at 135°F or whatever, for an hour or more < 1365871328 441565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing reaches that temperature and therefore reaches exactly the level of done-ness you want < 1365871334 529527 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that sounds science-y < 1365871338 133123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you quickly fry it to get the crunchy outside texture < 1365871340 479613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's great < 1365871350 62689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do it with a crock pot, a temperature sensor, and an arduino < 1365871359 436132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of DIY sous vide projects online that you can read about < 1365871392 501805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some other dishes involve cooking for 48+ hours this way < 1365871421 34810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can also cook cheap steak this way and make it delicious, because if it's in long enough, the tough stringy connective tissue starts to gelatenize < 1365871600 543089 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365871710 86926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why steak has quite the reputation it does... Its flavor is really fairly subtle. < 1365871720 919994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reputation is that? < 1365871735 635543 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1365871748 162282 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The everyman kinda-expensive food that people really like? < 1365871773 299603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365871776 891227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little strange < 1365871840 824976 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I like it, but it's kinda one of those more... delicate things. Y'know? < 1365871884 101694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, who am I kidding, most people probably just slather steak sauce on it. And then it tastes rather different. :P < 1365872015 750660 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365872143 869313 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there so many people in the channel that never talk? < 1365872149 304933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it called steak sauce? Does it not taste good on other kinds of meat? Or on bread, or lettuce? < 1365872173 602234 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1365872176 826854 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: Because I can't talk anything smart :) < 1365872194 658938 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's *essentially* UK "brown sauce". < 1365872205 798398 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork, because we are funny to watch, perhaps < 1365872208 159257 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and americans can't make sauce . < 1365872215 94392 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: I don't see these guy talk anything smart < 1365872222 472913 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or gals < 1365872230 110554 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pepper sauce to brown sauce < 1365872232 551132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't guys used for gals too? < 1365872241 912424 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1365872252 770371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: most channels have that < 1365872253 433479 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on television a bunch of girls usually address each other also with "hey guys" < 1365872267 613663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i used to put it on lots of things besides steak < 1365872272 820493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :names are arbitrary < 1365872286 827575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think "guys" is becoming gender-neutral < 1365872295 785646 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm assuming guy still means male. < 1365872298 307175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to some extent "dude" as well < 1365872309 273992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but guys is usaly gender-neutral. < 1365872312 667372 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1365872313 809008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't really think that's true < 1365872316 880947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm still somewhat careful about it < 1365872318 184465 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the french "ils". < 1365872337 272072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :English needs better pronouns < 1365872346 591332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use "they" as a gender-neutral third-person singular < 1365872355 779360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i also use "y'all" as a second person plural < 1365872372 528938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i'm not from the south and don't have a southern accent < 1365872379 653190 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys is my regional second person plural < 1365872388 621408 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you dont use "yo s*" < 1365872397 463078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some strange ones, like "yinz" < 1365872404 767897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pittsburgh area) < 1365872415 191575 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shortened you-ones < 1365872415 386907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "guys being gender neutral" thing I think is mainly because "male is the default gender" so < 1365872432 367844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this is a reason to be careful < 1365872471 949395 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though whenever I think of replacements for that one I imagine someone in like, a southern drawl going "hey ya'llllll" < 1365872475 434305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365872481 21599 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys is male by default but when the facts clearly show that not everyone is male it temporarily stretches to be inclusive < 1365872526 201219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really make any sense < 1365872535 449438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad that language is so gendered and it's not clear in each individual case whether it's better to invent new non-gendered forms or to try and ignore the gendered connotations in hopes that they go away < 1365872542 888899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's an obvious answer to that < 1365872557 366533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both approaches can be harmful < 1365872602 738709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in online places that invent new forms, and in online places that are explicit about the gendered forms being non-gendered by default < 1365872624 840398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really change the meaning of words by fiat like that < 1365872629 682730 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The natural solution seems to be to use the nearest form that is unpolluted by the connotations you dislike. < 1365872632 283329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just magically say something doesn't have gendered connotations by stating so... < 1365872636 951621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely this is obvious < 1365872637 408996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big fallacy of programmers < 1365872641 436332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe lawyers?) < 1365872642 400011 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365872648 64634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it works in those specialized domains < 1365872651 2030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> they were both law-y games < 1365872654 679962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then. < 1365872660 438401 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes but what if we could? < 1365872669 989523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have signed contracts that have clauses like "In this document, the word "he" shall refer to blah blah" < 1365872670 347523 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1365872680 454041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "The word "or" shall mean "either/or"" < 1365872682 113545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and crap like that < 1365872690 985984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we would be in a magical fantasy land where there would be no point to ahve words with gendered connotations anyway < 1365872694 27493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1365872698 487800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's like the whole thing with "well isn't actually racist, it really means , as if like, saying so magically removes all the meaning it's gathered after 200 years < 1365872707 787919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1365872710 437858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed that quote for you < 1365872711 821321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365872714 849479 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something hofstadter < 1365872715 44014 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry XD < 1365872730 555578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably everything we are saying is part of some quote in a parenthical someone started in 2004 < 1365872731 235286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the sort of opposite "well when I said it I didn't *mean* it in a racist way so it's fine" < 1365872733 589552 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :person paper on the purity of language? < 1365872736 260808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the longest IRC message ever < 1365872746 942991 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: quite < 1365872748 839423 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)" < 1365872756 576351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the other way around < 1365872759 244248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fool!!!! < 1365872761 933351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what will we do < 1365872767 78184 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error < 1365872772 419589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :universe collapsing in 5, 4, 3 ... < 1365872785 147981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally i can stop wasting time on irc < 1365872802 825576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :» < 1365872815 215603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've kind of inadvertantly/subconsciously defaulted to the "hey guys" thing myself but when I do it consciously I just try to pick better phrases < 1365872818 762019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "hi everyone" < 1365872830 936259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say "y'all" and i'm not ashamed of it < 1365872834 276089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't grow up saying it though < 1365872835 574346 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olla nosotros? < 1365872840 170105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, there's enough options that I don't feel like it has to be awkward or hard < 1365872841 887569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm from the midwest, we have the "neutral" american accent < 1365872842 82311 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*holla < 1365872853 351363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in a chatroom that auto-kicked when someone says "y'all" < 1365872857 737809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for certain words that will get you mocked on the coasts < 1365872858 937797 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not anymore youdon't < 1365872859 943319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey assholes" < 1365872861 430752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like using "pop" for soda < 1365872873 38697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel ridiculous trying to say y'all XD < 1365872878 405612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawl < 1365872881 377697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I am like so not stereotypically southerner or midwestern in the slightest < 1365872883 533787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Good morning sinners!" < 1365872891 536354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: how do you mean < 1365872892 68920 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "peeps" < 1365872902 665662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good morning siners!" < 1365872918 12253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning signers < 1365872939 693656 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_cities_vowel_shift < 1365872940 749880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning singers < 1365872948 697579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty nervous about language stuff in general since i realized how closely tied it is to racism and national suppression >_> < 1365872952 833314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365872969 971827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I read your good morning signers as singers at first, and wanted to do the firey version) < 1365873119 157383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say "good morning not-bikes" < 1365873125 991599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will say hi to everyone who matters < 1365873154 161928 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( :( < 1365873170 379981 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nikes?? < 1365873175 875593 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365873359 353685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's capitalist Bike < 1365873374 69046 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or greek < 1365873579 113816 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365873879 389479 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i also use "y'all" as a second person plural < 1365873887 660934 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er the correct form is youse < 1365873906 885071 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :vosotros < 1365873907 164915 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also "all ya'lls" < 1365873916 300485 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't "you" originally plural exclusively? < 1365873920 613612 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365873942 727198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't vosotros only used in spain and argentina/ < 1365873954 34447 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365873957 987749 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, and Saudi Arabia, evidently < 1365873965 48288 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: heh, no < 1365873969 732960 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lots of castilian speakers there < 1365873980 789108 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they mention it in passing in Spanish class < 1365874000 380195 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In latin, the plural is "vos" and the singular is "tu" < 1365874016 125335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's similar in French, I believe, but I seem to recall that "vous" can be plural or formal < 1365874016 668877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my spanish class mentioned the v's but didn't teach us them since it was central america oriented. < 1365874025 896672 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1365874026 91263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-V_distinction < 1365874068 21962 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly when using "vous" as formal singular I never know whether I should write all the adjectives and stuff in singular or plural < 1365874133 812220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, between "thou", "you", "y'all", and "all y'all", English has access to four different numbers of you < 1365874185 675858 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last time you used thou? < 1365874188 527526 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all y'all" is for the redundancy inclined < 1365874207 625622 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: somewhere from the 1600s to the early 1800s < 1365874222 530909 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHGOD I DIDN'T IMAGINE YOU WOULD BE SO OLD < 1365874246 67906 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, I used "thou" this afternoon < 1365874248 210839 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ya'll exists because y'all tends to be used for situations where prototypically the number of people are indeterminate. < 1365874264 756235 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all ya'll means "each and every one of you" < 1365874279 894561 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you courting a lady < 1365874293 742503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, as it happens, yes < 1365874301 157356 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: in that case, the last time I used "thou" was about six words ago. < 1365874304 192801 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so transparent < 1365874349 395807 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I courted a lady was never. < 1365874355 964933 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as transparent as this guy: http://25.media.tumblr.com/3456e6adde7f9c89c55dc5afabf269f5/tumblr_ml7amfP5Bt1r3u0x4o4_500.png < 1365874357 112641 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I meant with people who don't discuss the semantics of each and every one of the languages they know on a regular basis < 1365874380 604742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, that also rules me out < 1365874403 615025 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: then maybe several days ago? < 1365874406 487610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, is that you < 1365874410 336673 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1365874415 175022 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a strange person and say strange things sometimes. < 1365874416 869939 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am somewhat less transparent < 1365874422 965916 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you courting Fiora? < 1365874429 367381 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, no, I was not < 1365874433 407965 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1365874435 404163 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Fiora was in a different country < 1365874439 328435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this conversation < 1365874456 404746 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: were you courting Lymia? < 1365874467 537036 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Lymia was in a different country again < 1365874470 747184 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I believe we are discussing ladies and how one courts them, if ever. < 1365874487 883740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: are you just going to name everyone female in the channel & why < 1365874494 292352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person whom I was courting I do not believe frequents this channel, or indeed IRC < 1365874500 617757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I just did elliott < 1365874507 615941 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a normal human < 1365874515 219462 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, not quite < 1365874519 836341 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She goes on TVTropes a lot < 1365874527 701081 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh better than a normal human < 1365874536 977879 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rol- < 1365874539 860121 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rolll- < 1365874542 925263 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you discuss the semantics of each and every one of the languages you know on a regular basis with every lady that you have met so far? < 1365874545 766288 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rolls
< 1365874565 180329 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, no, only the ones who were interested in this sort of thing < 1365874578 944183 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1365874602 780079 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's your standard courting move? < 1365874608 49092 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1365874616 591536 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty convinced discussion the semantics of sex should work pretty well < 1365874630 532335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We talked about vowel mergers < 1365874642 428521 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance the cot-caught merger < 1365874643 686656 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not at all clear on how this came up in the first place < 1365874650 114831 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're scientific they'll feel a deep need to perform the experiment < 1365874657 453139 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm being interrogated on my love life < 1365874663 713108 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the context of linguistics < 1365874672 164047 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! you're the one who brought it to my attention! < 1365874680 933288 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked! < 1365874690 853960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION giggles
< 1365874708 863848 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still surprised I actually have a love life < 1365874712 995772 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giggles are nice. < 1365874730 238279 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I've just been deemed admissible to a school where apparently everyone is even more of a geek than I am and that includes the suprisingly high number of girls < 1365874751 903274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus is this still about the 42.fr thing < 1365874760 442592 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: has a guy ever discussed the semantics of a language with you? Other than on IRC, I mean. < 1365874772 619339 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, being a geek is surprisingly gender-neutral < 1365874778 458951 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of my friends who are geeks are female < 1365874787 672941 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of my friends who are female are geeks, as it happens < 1365874798 211074 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hu < 1365874807 398823 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have approximately 0 friends who are geeks < 1365874832 84056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bites the head off of a chicken.
< 1365874840 679217 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with Gregor < 1365874842 839582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have approximately 0 friends fuck you won the contest oh yeah < 1365874854 683427 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with Bike too < 1365874855 89428 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, you seem different somehow < 1365874860 453739 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you had a haircut? < 1365874884 522612 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember the last time i had one of those. wait i think i do -vaguely- < 1365874886 744668 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: huh, what do feathers mixed with blood and eyes and muscle and bones and various organs taste like? < 1365874893 621888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"geek" is a pretty broad category at this point < 1365874902 456040 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Just like chicken. < 1365874912 4900 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think mnoqy got an alphabetical sort < 1365874947 807219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm using it in the sense of "willing to be openly enthusiastic of things they like, especially things such as super-hero movies" < 1365874949 573564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geek communities vary widley in terms of gender ratio, and in terms of how they treat women < 1365874978 760686 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't bite the head off of roosters. < 1365875005 756539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I've learned (from talking to the people who work on this problem) is that if your local language user group meetup is 3% women and you want it to be 30% women, there are some fairly concrete steps you can take to make this happen fairly quickly < 1365875017 63444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh like what < 1365875017 258433 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are you one of those guys to whom the hairdresser says "see you next year" after a haircut? < 1365875046 677730 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went off of hairdressers cold-turkey < 1365875062 224150 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realisation of the day: my keyboard's chording is too shitty to play girp < 1365875066 109119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy just occasionally burns off his hair < 1365875106 229586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well the Boston Python group had intro and intermediate classes for "women and their friends", producing a group which is at least 50% women (and ensuring that the men who show up know someone rather than being random creepers) < 1365875127 845789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this had an immediate effect on the ratio at the gender-neutral events < 1365875140 191076 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1365875146 392371 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that sucks < 1365875153 129881 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :girp? < 1365875166 375821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html < 1365875174 828428 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to freshman physics and CS classes and there being a 9/1 ratio is still creepy as hell < 1365875177 564750 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a climbing sim from the maker of QWOP < 1365875201 806214 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My further maths class has a 10:0 male/female ration < 1365875203 73447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be a dating sim imo < 1365875204 115248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ratio < 1365875223 30920 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A male/female ration would be interesting < 1365875243 328878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slideshare.net/kellan/more-women-in-engineering-something-that-actually-worked-14630106 < 1365875248 207551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps illegal < 1365875250 448929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about Etsy and Hacker School < 1365875256 441356 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1365875279 756098 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my less far maths class I think is about 4:1) < 1365875296 44228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my latin class is 1:4) < 1365875312 32618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last week I helped run http://wellesley.openhatch.org/ < 1365875314 922534 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except someone hasn't turned up since Christmas so it's really (1:3) < 1365875315 878694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1365875347 699774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I have many keyboards! < 1365875351 577431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something that ACTUALLY WORKED" i'm sorry kmc but i have to laugh at this subtitle < 1365875386 116698 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, ratios < 1365875417 369332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://image.slidesharecdn.com/firstroundctosummit-121008002521-phpapp02/95/slide-19-728.jpg?1360178044 i still find it hard to believe that they make you actually write out code. i'm so naive < 1365875449 264530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://image.slidesharecdn.com/firstroundctosummit-121008002521-phpapp02/95/slide-26-728.jpg?1360178044 nice < 1365875450 582122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing code out on paper sucks ass < 1365875466 512235 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1365875471 16447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i did that a lot in high school < 1365875471 539533 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even girp < 1365875472 385863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never again < 1365875477 552156 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :or qwop for that matter < 1365875486 428562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: are those vim commands < 1365875496 876676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, I took AP CS, we had to write out C++ code by hand < 1365875502 83287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how I finally learned how to draw the & character < 1365875503 737042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not easy! < 1365875512 811321 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: apparently they are impossible < 1365875515 999430 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :games < 1365875532 195492 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwop I've never got the hang of < 1365875540 310379 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :girp I'm almost competent at < 1365875553 208964 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always used to draw & backwards >_> < 1365875559 938832 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is cool i write it all the time < 1365875588 804646 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SUBJECT: WARNING: TAINTED LOCAL VODKA KILLS 11 IN MONGOLIA " these cables are seriously great < 1365875596 279900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write & as et < 1365875612 386614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you some kinda classicist, boy < 1365875625 93210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i construct & as et < 1365875633 746756 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`-` < 1365875635 119793 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: -`: not found < 1365875643 68083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i "exclude" the middle by not putting any space between the letters < 1365875653 80516 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :’-’ < 1365875729 801707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: more recently I've done coding interviews with an actual computer < 1365875737 93603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, man. < 1365875749 453385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :often those are only partly about the code, and partly about watching how someone works < 1365875755 412524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easily they can look up docs, grep a codebase < 1365875759 97740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging them by their choice of editor < 1365875760 977873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365875762 633057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365875785 785851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, that list of 4 rules from Hacker School is good < 1365875813 114800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my editor habits are weird < 1365875814 547390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even worse form of (2) that I hear often is "You do know that $foo, right?" < 1365875821 255399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switch between emacs and vim constantly < 1365875848 59796 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always just like, ugh, can't you talk about this without being so elitist < 1365875869 174596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that kind of thing impulsively a lot and then feel guilty for being condescending < 1365875880 530684 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually have emacs on but i use vi to edit files quickly because i'm too dumb to work out emacsclient. i figure knowing both decently isn't so bad, anyway < 1365875881 771869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should disappear for a bit then go to an interview done by kmc under a false name < 1365875887 647087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(successfully made this issue about myself) < 1365875923 870511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I complain publicly about how people communicate as a way to commit to communicating better myself < 1365875927 716205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's maybe half of it < 1365875932 580552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other half is that i like complaining < 1365875935 804981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never learnt vim, and am barely competent at emacs < 1365875960 973582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you just do C-S-c M- M-x dwim < 1365875982 836086 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how you exit emacs? < 1365876003 325697 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't emacs some sort of OS? < 1365876012 849257 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you need mount separate < 1365876020 593381 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1365876051 547306 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe vim for a text editor? < 1365876068 720622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[joke comparing emacs to an operating system] [sitcom laugh track] < 1365876077 504791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[joke about emacs lacking an editor] [sitcom laugh track] < 1365876094 155791 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1365876102 999192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I want a sitcom laugh track < 1365876124 348551 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably pretty easy to find < 1365876128 754677 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 1: Get some speakers < 1365876133 506521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Soviet Hangover: Alcoholism Threatens Mongolia's Progress" < 1365876135 887196 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 2: Glue them to yourself < 1365876136 95625 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have to "know" where to "look" < 1365876148 114493 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 3: Find laugh track online < 1365876166 797011 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 4: put it on mp3 player, plug it in to speakers < 1365876180 661702 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 5: press "play" whenever you make a bad joke < 1365876271 345602 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be interesting if someone actually did that. < 1365876304 852920 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone would hate me < 1365876311 416432 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awful :☺) < 1365876624 497121 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely dreadful. < 1365876633 563419 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365876747 92388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365877099 712656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: semantics of language...? I.. I don't know... probably someone has rambled about that at some point... < 1365877106 812657 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365877113 704866 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1365877120 198803 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a really bad memory, I can't really remember many details beyond a week or two ago... < 1365877138 920504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too
< 1365877140 676839 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it probably wouldn't be that memorable < 1365877203 931218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably only remember it if it was a more emotional moment (like if it was frustrating or painful or something...) < 1365877215 412511 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :babe are you a kalmyk because *rambles about altaic theory for twenty minutes* < 1365877236 128442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1365877266 161611 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ladies love historical linguistics < 1365877340 757974 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, precisely, is a kalmyk? < 1365877388 754377 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kalmyk republic is part of western russia. the kalmyk people who make up about half of it are mongolic and speak a mongolian language called kalmyk. < 1365877391 453054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I couuuld argue that someone telling me about how 'cunt' isn't a gendered insult is 'telling me about the semantics of language' < 1365877395 779529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is "fiora-relevant" because it's a chess place. < 1365877404 120666 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365877424 4301 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I feel sorry for you D: < 1365877443 10373 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Altaic theory is an idea that a couple asian language groups like Turkic, Mongolic, and Japonic are all actually part of a larger grouping called Altaic. It's pretty non-mainstream. < 1365877486 923211 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1365877492 802473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ;_; < 1365877514 458471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa? < 1365877526 686918 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aohw < 1365877527 917321 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i'm trying to imagine a pickup line for this < 1365877590 336253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working < 1365877613 889618 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just imagine a guy in a suit and fedora walking up to a seat at the bar, and opening his mouth, and then cockroaches pour out < 1365877674 530493 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365877708 82427 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365877708 316527 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365877868 100942 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am like dying laughing at that metaphor < 1365877882 135995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :metap- oh, right, yeah < 1365877902 773513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross < 1365877945 290914 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact: whenever i try to picture a stereotypical bar scene, i always think of that one scene from naked lunch < 1365878122 154927 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naked lunch? < 1365878146 133737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cronenberg film adapted from the burroughs book < 1365878164 733932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy walks up to a bar and the mugwump, a weird looking alien creature starts advising him about a gay cruise < 1365878186 91529 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread that as gay cuisine. like, what's that. < 1365878201 178665 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dick. < 1365878211 499932 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard. < 1365878274 746324 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the bar scene so have some Zappa instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsO1FLYee8 < 1365878282 866422 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m-hm < 1365878285 301242 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-disappointedly- < 1365878388 247019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Gay cuisine is nothing but spotted dick. < 1365878402 681319 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry you're a bit late to the party < 1365878407 674148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you also didn't get to see the part of that conversation where the guy was arguing about how complaining about someone "PMSing" isn't at all sexist <.< < 1365878423 48815 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this the ##asm thing < 1365878436 596470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365878445 437955 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##asm sounds like hell < 1365878445 796569 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i remember that, unfortunately < 1365878466 521419 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't tell you, i got banned, 'cos i'm a rebel. ain't be tamed < 1365878473 40777 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365878494 620121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got banned for using AT&T syntax < 1365878496 323912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just unforgivable" < 1365878498 936249 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1365878501 507251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I lasted like an hour there < 1365878502 547255 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1365878515 308434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually fine most of the time? like it was better than ##c even < 1365878519 196598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also led me to learn that freenode doesn't count slurs as discriminatory or something < 1365878523 49533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not really having a good mod like ##c does < 1365878523 747423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"better than ##c" < 1365878528 915446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, fuck the police < 1365878533 888811 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins ##asm
< 1365878535 824607 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though she's mostly pretty hands off) < 1365878544 210172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you sure it wasn't just that guy whose name started with X who was good? < 1365878556 195091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ##asm about asm in general, or a particular asm in particular? < 1365878556 389516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1365878559 733609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1365878559 928454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1d 18h 8m 55s ago: You seem to have missed User:EzraFrier < 1365878562 566587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay maybe -_- but like there were lots of people who asked questions and talked about things and people even like, asked me for help in PM < 1365878564 428660 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ##asm think of TERSE < 1365878564 624257 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in general < 1365878568 935052 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, huh < 1365878569 129612 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to guess it'd be about x86 assembly. < 1365878580 299167 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I got a grand total of just two creepy people the whole time, that's a new record < 1365878583 734454 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's general, even says so in the topic, and people asked about ARM &c. < 1365878594 682234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent like a week in ##c helping beginners, and then one day I answered a question wrong and they were like STFU YOU FUCKING MORON GET OUT < 1365878607 464152 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really want to stick around watching people get called "PMSing cunts" < 1365878607 809350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about variable length arrays "who even uses those" < 1365878609 332111 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not envy women on the internet.
< 1365878621 821078 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I love VLAs. < 1365878624 780258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it really seems to wildly depend on who's active in the channel < 1365878628 49406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!tell oerjan good catch, I indeed missed it < 1365878629 168766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ##c actually have good ops < 1365878635 227163 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the stack, mind, but hey. < 1365878636 533230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rejoined it after having like, a 4 hour conversation with the moderator there < 1365878637 791512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that seems to be at odds with ##c being the worst channel in the universe < 1365878645 212246 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is kind of wonderful < 1365878646 801484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fun to talk with < 1365878649 719207 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(char bar[static 4]) is quite nice. < 1365878653 719945 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one of the moderators,I don't know if there's others < 1365878657 249281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: @ < 1365878658 161841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ! < 1365878663 742066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan good catch, I indeed missed it < 1365878663 936554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1365878666 753650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or foo(size_t x, char bar[x]) < 1365878672 797129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1365878679 807605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… the most annoying thing about rebinding caps lock < 1365878685 104781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in the rare cases you turn it on by mistake < 1365878690 344495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a while to remember how to turn it off < 1365878703 5473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I rebound the caps lock key to compose, and the caps lock command to shift+shift) < 1365878729 888438 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is caps lock ever useful < 1365878737 293025 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes a great control. < 1365878740 379597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're typing disclaimers < 1365878747 634905 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just hold shift < 1365878749 224621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got l-win as compose. < 1365878759 243885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: huh? super is a really useful key < 1365878764 888426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: did you see the linux exploit that happened because someone used a VLA on the stack < 1365878767 902535 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, r-win < 1365878769 572560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kernel stacks are only 8kB < 1365878772 219656 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L-win is super. < 1365878775 512258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: right < 1365878779 8187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this laptop doesn't have an r-win < 1365878781 340977 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the silly menu key as compose. no R-win… < 1365878783 519891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "someone" i mean econet.ko < 1365878789 90641 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No, but I can imagine. :) < 1365878790 897805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh. a VLA in the kernel? < 1365878791 395022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: the menu key is actually useful < 1365878801 438125 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :econet.ko? < 1365878819 309102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: VLAs in general are quite nice. The problem is, *on the stack* they are an attack waiting to happen. < 1365878825 186327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: it's probably the fastest way to correct typos when you can't remember what the correct spelling is < 1365878833 853111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Linux driver for Econet, a network protocol used by British home computers from the 80's < 1365878838 540613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a driver that /nobody/ uses anymore < 1365878840 268162 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't work out how to set my compose key < 1365878842 784286 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's horrible < 1365878849 126861 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good point except i dont use editors with that feature =/ < 1365878849 595886 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when passed as arguments they make array handling somewhat nicer. < 1365878852 612900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since nobody uses it, it's full of bugs < 1365878860 472911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until recently, it was part of the kernel and built by most distros < 1365878871 671939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would even auto-load if unprivileged userspace tried to create an Econet socket! < 1365878872 525195 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason my e-mail composition spell check doesnt work < 1365878874 307124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: um, VLAs can be not on the stack? < 1365878887 396329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow < 1365878898 471913 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes. void foo(size_t x, char bar[x]) < 1365878922 262093 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or void foo(size_t x, size_t y, char bar[x][y]) < 1365878927 137011 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty cute < 1365878936 363658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://pastebin.com/88EPCd2q a fun exploit for one bug in econet < 1365878947 217864 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, isn't that just the same as a pointer...? < 1365878948 27229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it actually exploits 3 bugs < 1365878950 572188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there some different < 1365878952 433204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*difference < 1365878957 283777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most interesting one is not in econet < 1365878961 484668 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No, it's actually an array. Straight-up a full array. < 1365878977 593895 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: As opposed to void foo(char bar[4]), which is just a pointer. < 1365878986 566403 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And void foo(char bar[static 4]) is also an array. < 1365878990 764338 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cute < 1365878995 910125 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ I will never quite get C < 1365878996 114759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I will never quite get C < 1365879003 771806 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks lambdabot < 1365879012 659081 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what it's worth, this is a fairly obscure bit of C. < 1365879040 683958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super obscure I'd say < 1365879045 355156 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added in C99, and many people still avoid C99 features like the plague. < 1365879055 721389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like C99 :< < 1365879060 344639 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love C99. < 1365879068 849931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some people think they should still support MSVC. < 1365879073 66008 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c99 is better than that other standard < 1365879077 52516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i married c99 < 1365879078 447098 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the IE6 of compilers) < 1365879150 105867 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft >:( < 1365879195 477855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: geez I don't understand 90% of that but that's amazing < 1365879207 501150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exploit? i can go into it < 1365879222 945392 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can? um, I'd love to listen if you want to < 1365879226 653128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a walkthrough in my talk about kernel exploits: http://ugcs.net/~keegan/talks/kernel-exploit/talk.pdf < 1365879253 559919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe look through that first, and i can answer questions < 1365879310 510846 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dives in
< 1365879343 936345 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365879348 726581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the only exploit on a stack-VLA is allocating more data than actually fits on the stack, right? < 1365879362 942498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main one anyway < 1365879364 635347 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kmc so like before I touch this, someone had an interesting question in ##c-unregistered that was like. actually really interesting < 1365879364 868741 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell me an esolang that will take ~1-2 hours to implement < 1365879369 687143 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I am bored < 1365879370 694072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually causes a segfault in userspace, but the kernel doesn't have that escape valve < 1365879383 549944 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're porting Jedi Academy to Linux from the open source code, and they were wondering what a particular code snippet did < 1365879389 237983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: hmm < 1365879394 596864 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I realize like. why so many programs are hard to port... < 1365879394 791771 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw I segfaulted gcc before < 1365879399 447390 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Eodermdrome < 1365879401 201448 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a VVLA < 1365879402 361644 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a NULL pointer check that looked like this: < 1365879405 387640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hahahaha :) < 1365879409 211470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if((int)psString > 0) < 1365879418 500454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ouch < 1365879418 852792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well in Linux userspace anyway, the stack is usually an auto-growing mapping < 1365879434 803367 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: write a brainfuck interpreter in 60 different programming languages < 1365879438 704157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes but it's possible to mmap something next to the stack guard page < 1365879441 678082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it can't grow any more < 1365879444 393496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365879449 79962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it will fault < 1365879450 757122 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course that code works wonderfully... < 1365879453 271612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... on windows 32-bit ... < 1365879456 48368 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I don't even know 60 different programming languages :/ < 1365879459 141682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... without /LARGEADDRESSAWARE... -_- < 1365879468 213520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it works quite neatly on 64-bit, too < 1365879481 544714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the addresses that map to negative as a signed int are all reserved by the kernel, IIRC < 1365879482 963592 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm < 1365879483 965910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: :/ < 1365879485 317901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's physical memory < 1365879486 811735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad code < 1365879495 939272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd work if it was (intptr_t)ptr on 64-bit, I think? < 1365879496 133230 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, int may still be 32-bit < 1365879496 937170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the kernel potentially map stuff into virtual memory with negative addresses? < 1365879497 472841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on a lot of 64-bit architectures, int is smaller than void* < 1365879500 107339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh right < 1365879500 999416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as amd64 < 1365879519 874796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (int) might be too small < 1365879538 584914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: just looking through mine, Suffolk is unimplemented but shouldn't take too long to implement < 1365879541 877786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people even write that, why not if (psString) < 1365879542 244257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Suffolk < 1365879545 703764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol hungarian notation < 1365879549 201782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it breaks on linux 32-bit because linux uses the bottom 3GB for userspace, right? < 1365879554 117229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1365879559 592003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going by the chart in your pdf <.<
< 1365879563 119298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people who love manifest types but hate typechecking < 1365879572 812669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it does (on i386 anyway) < 1365879573 668252 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a function that took a uint16_t[65536] when I was tired and not thinking < 1365879579 523688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, your stack will typically have a 'negative' address < 1365879583 384488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's at the top of the userspace 3GB < 1365879600 202430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also you can build a kernel with a different split, or even one where userspace and kernel have different page tables) < 1365879605 286111 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks! < 1365879608 494880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but 3GB / 1GB is the default and nearly universal afaik) < 1365879632 915588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i386 programs running on an x86_64 kernel get a full 4GB < 1365879650 622972 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why the code broke then, I guess < 1365879651 449659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, nowadays from the userspace point of view, things like the stack are in random locations < 1365879654 159671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make exploits harder to write < 1365879654 684491 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365879693 297963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the thing that confuses me, is why compare a pointer to 0 for less than/greater than? < 1365879704 629297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on most processors, it's exactly as efficient as the correct code that checks for equality < 1365879748 429502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea ._. < 1365879753 70885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess on some microcontrollers I've worked on, testing to see if a number is negative is more efficient than testing to see if it's zero < 1365879755 827759 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365879756 328664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people write bad code :/ < 1365879756 758199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not testing to see if a number is positive < 1365879766 768226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(testing for negative is testing a single bit, which is slightly easier than testing an entire byte) < 1365879779 437370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not merely stupid, it might be checking for something special - could e.g. HANDLEs have the upper bit set? < 1365879811 236425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: special pointer-like values on Windows tend to be odd < 1365879816 382986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also executable ASLR is almost useless on i386: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/177905 < 1365879818 837905 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't most processors have a circuit that ands together every bit in the register to make zero-checking efficient < 1365879823 738249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 8 bits of randomness < 1365879836 10819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all legit int pointers on Windows are even < 1365879838 685214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if stack ASLR is more useful; probably, since the stack top doesn't have to be page aligned < 1365879843 280033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that are used by the kernel < 1365879862 460677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: they do, and so did this one; however, it cost more words of program to tell the microcontroller to actually use them < 1365879927 595111 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1365879966 4588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ohhhhhhhh that's how the null pointer exploit trick works. putting the payload at 0 with mmap < 1365879975 222381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some reason the OS... lets you do that? O_O < 1365879988 606867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why is mmap to 0 a thing < 1365879995 115628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't anymore < 1365879996 193508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS might've gotten confused and forgotten to prevent it < 1365880013 667871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1365880017 602440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux added sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr in like 2007 < 1365880022 755447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still gets set to 0 sometimes < 1365880032 161934 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do null pointer exploits like that work now? < 1365880035 924786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't < 1365880037 943045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365880052 643312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar exploits that involve an invalid pointer that isn't NULL might work < 1365880053 110648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember there was a thing a little bit ago about a null pointer check being optimized improperly because of a thig < 1365880055 969646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was an exploit? < 1365880095 707723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think that was not that recent, and would only work if mmap_min_addr is set to 0 or if the kernel is vulnerable to any of numerous mmap_min_addr bypasses that have been discovered throughout the year < 1365880099 842346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :years* < 1365880114 901375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while if you installed Wine on Ubuntu, it would set mmap_min_addr = 0 globally < 1365880125 49928 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365880125 439930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, Win16 programs need to map stuff at zero? < 1365880127 230804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dosemu < 1365880135 420337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow >_< < 1365880149 467547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cr0.org/2009/06/bypassing-linux-null-pointer.html < 1365880212 556655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/fs/binfmt_elf.c#L976 sigh < 1365880257 632123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux developers value features like "can run SVr4 binaries on Linux" over security < 1365880262 501099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if nobody ever does this ever < 1365880320 964384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it "might" be a good idea to make sure that even if the user program maps something at 0 it doesn't affect the kernel < 1365880323 622851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh, who uses system v binaries at all < 1365880343 111488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's hard to do though < 1365880368 844398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want userspace and kernel to have different page tables, that improves security greatly, but also greatly increases the overhead of a system call < 1365880376 707254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 anyway < 1365880386 301827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because switching page tables involves a TLB flush < 1365880389 203112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about @ < 1365880414 965860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some architectures have tagged TLBs that can hold onto entries from address spaces that are not currently in use < 1365880416 319436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could they use VM instructions to handle that? < 1365880424 700530 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you done any work on @ since you met me < 1365880424 931698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes! I heard of someone doing that < 1365880432 48125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a link though :/ < 1365880433 664628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, userspace is a """VM""" < 1365880433 859937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe < 1365880437 394551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1365880439 702861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i don't think he's ever done any work on @ < 1365880453 196568 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at.html < 1365880457 261013 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh that's. that's actually a pretty cool idea < 1365880461 546660 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of work on @" < 1365880461 815977 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find it poke me with it, that sounds really fun < 1365880463 824275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ARM has tagged TLBs, that's good < 1365880514 257129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think x86 also has tagged TLBs nowadays < 1365880538 120285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the ability to set 'global' mappings that don't get flushed automatically < 1365880549 874370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of anything beyond that, setting aside VMX / SVM virtualization extensions < 1365880596 753971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Invalidates mappings in the translation lookaside buffers (TLBs) and paging-struc-ture caches based on the invalidation type specified in the first operand andprocessor context identifier (PCID) invalidate descriptor specified in the secondoperand." < 1365880604 945703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a processor context identifier related to this? < 1365880607 775836 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter < 1365880612 465990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a processor context identifier -_- < 1365880618 308256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't know < 1365880625 866497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I was thinking of was the ASID that you can set when you set the pointer to the page tables < 1365880654 141968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.realworldtech.com/westmere/ talks about it < 1365880662 548349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does sound like a tagged tlb basically < 1365880664 366932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool! < 1365880670 700430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if linux uses it < 1365880683 400390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you used http://livegrep.com < 1365880709 859951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, so it's a tagged TLB thing but aimed at VMs < 1365880717 661061 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVPCID is a new instruction in um... I think haswell? I'm not sure < 1365880728 157092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :livegrep...? what does it do < 1365880736 994222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :searches the linux kernel, really fucking fast < 1365880740 399549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regexes < 1365880764 413788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haswell has a lot of interesting stuff like that it seems, like it has smep too < 1365880772 424078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. < 1365880773 750203 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what flavor of regex is this < 1365880778 134503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... I don't know regexes though >_< < 1365880800 983796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://livegrep.com/search/linux?q=%5B0-9a-fA-F%5D%7B8%7D-%5B0-9a-fA-F%5D%7B4%7D-%5B0-9a-fA-F%5D%7B4%7D-%5B0-9a-fA-F%5D%7B4%7D-%5B0-9a-fA-F%5D%7B12%7D < 1365880828 481039 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1365880904 200714 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice 'n' readable url < 1365880916 884476 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1365880917 685802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :readaburl < 1365880934 870127 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped reading at "linux", what did I miss < 1365880958 76626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying anything of value maybe? < 1365880981 496706 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa!!!! rude < 1365880986 948327 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1365880988 43261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks mnoqy < 1365880990 987614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say < 1365880993 713700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tahnks < 1365880998 1527 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1365881004 732947 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "thanks" < 1365881005 851388 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "thanks" < 1365881007 48688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ahknst" < 1365881007 923343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ahknst" < 1365881008 456492 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodl..... < 1365881027 575373 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were a haskell person we'd have been three to type that command! < 1365881036 539042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow elliott < 1365881052 931482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welliott < 1365881054 536211 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "thanks" ^. to sort < 1365881056 363062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ahknst" < 1365881060 568131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you doing? very welliott < 1365881105 93883 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t to < 1365881106 787719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Conjoined p, Gettable f) => (s -> a) -> p a (f a) -> p s (f s) < 1365881108 629853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on? not melliott < 1365881287 931816 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365881310 728383 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["thanks", "lens"] ^. to sort < 1365881312 750849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["lens","thanks"] < 1365881317 932590 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["thanks", "lens"] ^. traverse . to sort < 1365881319 962135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ahknstelns" < 1365881341 408769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like some ancient place that should be in ruins < 1365881434 317108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.) < 1365881435 671548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting a s t a b -> a < 1365881443 898664 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a mean thing to say about a place! < 1365881526 666621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: getting a stab < 1365881576 790685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: it's RE2 regexes < 1365881585 576572 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365881616 40821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have no idea how tired i am of getting a stab jokes < 1365881620 574649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're as bad as burrito jokes in #haskell < 1365881623 751938 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365881626 149157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1365881721 128237 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monad. radio! < 1365881812 309277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1365881922 351110 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1365881948 99920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1365882166 26178 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1365882457 505808 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1365882646 151829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1365882744 325207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: oh i get it < 1365882757 650833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: mnoqy is a variant spelling of gnocchi < 1365882810 684297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the thing with the tomato and the toast < 1365882834 726449 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb I think that's a pizza < 1365882882 621153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnocchi mnoqy gnocchi mnoqy < 1365882887 429663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, gnocchi. mnoqy < 1365882896 651610 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruschetta < 1365882961 1396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnostic monqy < 1365883087 204619 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruschetta is good. never've had gnocchi woops. < 1365883107 363516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnocchi is not the same things as bruschetta mnoqy................................ < 1365883118 712284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: imo you can't keep this nick unless you have some gnocchi < 1365883128 537840 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why i've had bruschetta but not gnocchi < 1365883145 66129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good explanation < 1365883148 192871 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or explains how? it explains something. < 1365883173 854123 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we made shirts have irregular button spacing so that it was harder to miss-button them < 1365883179 889940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did you know the law that you're not allowed to mention bruschetta and gnocchi in the same sentence woops < 1365883198 424459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ancient italian law, now you're not allowed to go to italy ever < 1365883236 81205 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365883265 984900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mgnoqcchiy < 1365883277 786756 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365883289 261995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey mnoqy you're the best < 1365883294 766968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ mnoqy++ < 1365883296 551424 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf(???????????????????????) < 1365883319 673923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no what's that thing inthe parentheses < 1365883329 421950 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :question marks < 1365883356 564525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :w hy < 1365883410 777336 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf < 1365883410 972576 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand why you say the thing you're saying < 1365883540 78088 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH WHY DYOU EVEN BOTHER OPENING THAT MOUTH OF YOURS < 1365883561 618252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow mnoqy did you mean that < 1365883568 60259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's prttyr ude < 1365883627 285453 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not mean the thing that koen said < 1365883633 12038 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls do not put words in my mouth < 1365883650 979296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1365883654 961566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao < 1365883657 460458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list < 1365883657 750305 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well note that I wouldn't be able to put words in your mouth IF YOU KEPT IT SHUT < 1365883666 376164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_... stop it < 1365883678 345753 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my apologies won't happen again < 1365883680 158737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: you're being pretty rude and making this channel worse for everyone < 1365883696 894050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: your apologies haven't even happened once, it's not likely that they'll happen again at this rate < 1365883731 981773 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll add an extra coma and maybe even a pronoun < 1365883734 623799 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this a serious thing < 1365883757 444908 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff who knows < 1365883759 173202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't know < 1365883776 70882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug Bike < 1365883776 661172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1365883804 759481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh? < 1365883862 314426 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1365883876 563415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1365883878 383279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kmc < 1365883880 388858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1365883976 529554 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be allowed to program on serious things at this time at night < 1365883977 839220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at all < 1365884025 62520 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tired are rather we < 1365884083 446381 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really understood why Europe and Asia are considered to be separate continents < 1365884121 627839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe is more of a peninsula hth < 1365884136 211342 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I could drive to Taneb's house from here, if I was crazy and wanted to drive forever. < 1365884147 657067 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, I'm on an island < 1365884152 521626 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to catch a train < 1365884155 524041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: How far is it? < 1365884160 127315 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw rats < 1365884175 269986 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounded surrealistic < 1365884183 984234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probs drive to mnoqy's house < 1365884206 643482 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh right, you're already in GB, which is an island, even if there's a tunnel to it < 1365884279 230462 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a drive from me to Taneb is somewhere around 6,629 km; 69 hours according to google maps < 1365884305 263397 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/maps/p0gnf < 1365884329 595488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was in Latvia there were signs for buses to London < 1365884332 233229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty slow. < 1365884371 645892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, to drive to Finland you have to choose whether you'd rather drive through Russia or Denmark < 1365884433 77463 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could drive to South Africa from here too... < 1365884445 62848 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, important question < 1365884445 761888 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like through the chunnel or what < 1365884447 445840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you drive < 1365884450 262732 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes, the Americas are kinda lonely and off in a corner, aren't they < 1365884452 104424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and/or boats < 1365884470 349867 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no but that's not really a prerequisite for driving in Saudi Arabia < 1365884487 438679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: half the world is a pretty big corner as corners go imo < 1365884496 828400 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D < 1365884518 678723 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf stole my gnocchi joke... but i didn't make it in #esoteric wow < 1365884521 638683 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can't actually drive from north to south america < 1365884528 818848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some of them take a boat across to sweeden < 1365884532 843495 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more like two corners < 1365884535 279514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: oh no did you make it about mnoqy < 1365884540 364909 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There' < 1365884541 224058 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365884545 42433 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, what's your gnocci joke < 1365884545 306916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: was it in ##crawl < 1365884551 253017 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s like a 15 mile gap in the Trans-American Highway, right? < 1365884555 285823 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes me about 24 hours to get to my grandparents' house in California from my house here < 1365884557 85352 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in panama < 1365884567 731942 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gnocchi joke is: mnoqy, gnocchi, < 1365884575 729278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like ecolines runs southwest to warszawa and then west through berlin and amsterdam at crosses at calais (but maybe not on the train) < 1365884576 855504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jungle part specifically < 1365884577 52790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, it's gonna turn out your grandparents are shachaf, isn't it < 1365884587 402917 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in a ~secret channel~ < 1365884600 488617 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: wow, a secret???? < 1365884601 85631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course driving from northern colombia down to the tierra del fuego must be, uh, exciting < 1365884601 785042 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Americas used to be connected, but some goofsters decided to cut them apart < 1365884604 120493 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the amazon < 1365884619 824685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man, a plan, a canal, shachaf < 1365884629 268570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: was it in a ~secret channel~ that you and mnoqy are both in < 1365884638 33290 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: 99 mile, apparently! < 1365884651 870150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: what was that channel called < 1365884668 307619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow wait the highway doesn't even hit brazil, let alone paraguay and such < 1365884669 751805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullcrap < 1365884676 400832 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wouldn't be very ~secret~ if i told < 1365884690 937062 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DR Congo is huge < 1365884708 718993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unofficially the trans-american highway does extend to tierra del fuego i thought < 1365884711 404278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can probably get to most of Brazil from Buenos Aires though. < 1365884713 876423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there are roads that connect through < 1365884714 71191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that's ok "i don't mind" < 1365884722 370231 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, but it would be kind of a pain, I mean. < 1365884728 189930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also north to deadhorse or whatever < 1365884731 85323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a whole lot of mountains and stuff. < 1365884733 89279 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitehorse? < 1365884733 744014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not through the darién gap :) < 1365884742 971160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wherever the alaska highway ends < 1365884744 891336 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: if shachaf asks you about secret channels forever now i'm sorry < 1365884748 986426 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no, there's a place called Deadhorse, wow < 1365884758 385402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking the capital of the northwest territories ._. < 1365884772 182955 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deadhorse_Alaska_aerial_view.jpg the name seems appropriate. < 1365884781 860716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take you down, 'cause i'm going to / secret channels < 1365884787 267374 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Yellowknife? < 1365884805 903502 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitehorse is in the Yukon < 1365884806 833985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh whitehorse is capital of the /yukon/ < 1365884809 650006 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :canadians. fuckers < 1365884814 840114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not the alaska highway, the dalton highway < 1365884818 115427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yukon say that again!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1365884820 565992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has street view :) < 1365884823 228148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ho ho ho < 1365884863 89955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: so tell me about secret channels forever < 1365884909 606347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/PanAmericanHwy.png < 1365884912 69427 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably it'd get old pretty quickly < 1365884941 602093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ok so just tell me < 1365884955 611886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Des Moines doesn't merit a dot on this map :( < 1365884967 405593 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "yeah, i'm takin' a vacation down in el salvador" "oh, going through denver or minneanapolis?" < 1365884972 394480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365884989 932371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell people I grew up by the pan-amerigan highway < 1365884991 422590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds so cool < 1365885036 30323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pan-amereegan < 1365885045 704506 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the transsiberian highway is fully connected < 1365885053 759760 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to drop theh ball americas < 1365885120 273732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B0_%22%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%22,_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%A2%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0.jpg very modern looking < 1365885133 638061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great url < 1365885157 946842 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365885162 334106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what do you think about the ""transcontinental railroad"" < 1365885167 89550 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great url. < 1365885175 476931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that url is missing a crucial letter just saying < 1365885183 107609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in US? don't know where it is < 1365885186 981766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably p. in favor tho < 1365885221 852332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad that's a long intro section........ < 1365885222 317697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not around anymore, is it? < 1365885230 315597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Transcontinental_Railroad < 1365885233 639828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9289 km. that's p. long < 1365885239 28342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, isn't some of the right of way still in use? < 1365885248 956631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hundreds of miles are still in service today, especially through the Sierra Nevada Mountains and canyons in Utah and Wyoming. While the original rail has long since been replaced because of age and wear, and the roadbed upgraded and repaired, the lines generally run on top of the original, handmade grade." < 1365885254 671353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that intro is way too long < 1365885510 611865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm do they still have rail barons today < 1365885515 755614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc should be a rail baron imo < 1365885531 890166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have < 1365885553 251088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should move to central asia and become a pipeline baron < 1365885581 408975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're talking about you oerjan < 1365885586 426485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:39 applicative, ski: equivalent doesn't mean equally useful. Twan's version keeps the 'next' 'f' in the free applicative that you need for interpretation exposed without recursion. Oerjan's requires you to walk uselessly over n levels to get to it. < 1365885590 584175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1365885625 959555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do it < 1365885715 683658 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: we already have like thousands of oil princes over here < 1365885734 911750 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're literal princes though. it's just not the same < 1365885743 68384 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might not be an opening for an pipeline baron < 1365885744 296333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like #haskell and all the "project oiler" people < 1365885765 815224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is saudi arabia considered part of central asia now because i thought it was pretty far west < 1365885771 887925 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, barons are pretty low on the nobility thingy < 1365885784 327818 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they can be subordinate to oil princes < 1365885792 532033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's nowhere near central asia < 1365885796 468340 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god geopolitics terms make no fucking sense < 1365885808 620435 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a totally different nobility thingy here < 1365885811 616878 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "middle east" is west/south of "central asia" < 1365885814 815517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine because geopolitics also makes no fucking sense < 1365885818 190997 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all very tribal < 1365885820 95299 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1365885849 644022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that the premier theory of international relations is based on the suspposition that it's all anarchic nonsense < 1365885865 628122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which theory is that? < 1365885871 628202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :realism < 1365885890 115102 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'anarchy' being the really used term, 'nonsense' not so much but i was Humorously Exaggerating < 1365885943 888962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike we have a No Humor policy here < 1365885959 668108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy_in_international_relations < 1365885962 812861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How does Cygwin fork(), anyway? < 1365885966 453440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poorly? < 1365885968 440224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know :( < 1365885982 371110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, other than that. < 1365885989 160835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be that poor because it seems to work. < 1365885990 964256 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1365886000 940318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Win32 doesn't give you anything like that, does it? < 1365886021 470413 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win32 is extremely confusing and should not be touched, iirc < 1365886039 780792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is like a dancing bear < 1365886064 118454 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq.api.html#faq.api.fork < 1365886085 579907 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1365886129 71533 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: basically, it goes through a lot of effort, calling a whole bunch of windows API functions, and somehow manages to replicate UNIX fork functionality < 1365886131 702116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365886144 101639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1365886146 266924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just cheats < 1365886160 201843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo cygwin more like badideawin < 1365886166 660398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyg.win++ < 1365886176 3810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if JOS can implement copy-on-write fork in userspace then why not cygwin :( :( < 1365886447 839011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-141-69.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365886633 531843 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365886785 277019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm so (re #mosh) it might rely on the fact that every DLL is mapped at the same address in every process < 1365886796 413288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is mostly true in Windows? < 1365887071 262252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a different address in every process but the same address between runs of the same process or something like that. < 1365887092 849041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code#Windows_DLLs < 1365887121 297396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate I heard that ASLR is done once per boot or something like that. < 1365887130 552312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365887140 207631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DLLs are not position-independent code; they get relocated on load < 1365887157 887576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I'm wrong on the first part. < 1365887166 860258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1365887234 516587 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365887278 66813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back later) < 1365887489 882276 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365887698 689024 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365887990 598733 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1365888229 72812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1365888300 986091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1365888301 507926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1365888304 71623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW THAT < 1365888308 126239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh message < 1365888315 495681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1365888316 127993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 2h 40m 53s ago: good catch, I indeed missed it < 1365888362 762163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in fact i really knew it before that recent blog summary post about different versions. < 1365888446 932866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow i got caught up by the immediate praise anyhow. < 1365888525 579023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't saying you don't know it, I was saying #haskell was talking about you. < 1365888566 589422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1365888634 170368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo unswat me < 1365888648 855373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, second law of thermodynamics < 1365888689 149536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :every swat has an equal and opposite unswat? < 1365888696 82468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remind me next time you do something bad, and we'll leave one out, ok? < 1365888708 778392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about I do something bad now? < 1365888719 266037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you are confusing with newton's laws < 1365888733 398860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well if you _want_ to use it up already... < 1365888758 870931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run for f in wisdom/*; do sed -i s/dal/dahl/g "$f"; done < 1365888798 35930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how _does_ one refrain from swatting with an extra space prepended again. < 1365888814 225639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365888910 118216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION refuses to believe shachaf is that absent-minded.
< 1365888925 709806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The space was on purpose, of course. < 1365888932 403522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just am not managing to parse your sentence. < 1365888938 384598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1365889007 6481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one refraing (from (swatting (with ((an extra space) prepended)))) again. < 1365889014 668419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*). < 1365889021 111871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refrain < 1365889053 357566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1365889056 771066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1365889058 399994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1365889059 556254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :｀run for f in wisdom/*; do sed -i s/dal/dahl/g "$f"; done < 1365889070 260305 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365889074 227515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one refraing (from swatting) (with ((an extra space) prepended))) again). also works. < 1365889078 90830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refrain < 1365889128 274605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really bad that you don't get it. i may have to refrain from swatting you for it. < 1365889194 840410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1365889196 535939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1365889266 650650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$/ And hates Roald Dahl./' wisdom/oerjan < 1365889269 976545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365889296 533570 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365889299 645738 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365889317 656195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : WEST and EEST <-- eesti vabarik < 1365889351 423430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hey i'm supposed to be the one lying here < 1365889405 178720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/\. And/ who/' wisdom/oerjan < 1365889408 793329 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365889426 69850 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365889452 745353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1365889454 480141 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian who hates Roald Dahl. < 1365889487 350566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking of some programming language similar to Lisp using () and so on, as well as {} for quotationed blocks and [] for an alternate syntax and so on, but the program includes the commands to change the program to become the answer, and then it is further compiled into an assembly language, which might also have its own macros, too. < 1365889488 391924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invites a giant (not BFG) to shachaf's home
< 1365889523 621537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your home big enough for any giant? < 1365889534 420083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That sounds good. < 1365889546 42268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the giant doesn't need to enter < 1365889583 755346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK. If you just need to throw stuff in the chimney then it is OK < 1365889600 789208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, the giant reaches in the window and takes you out and eats you. < 1365889608 461116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think you may not be familiar with the roald dahl type of giant. < 1365889619 514339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In Hebrew the BFG was called the Ig. < 1365889646 598442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVK in norwegian. < 1365889647 819766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O, well, then their hand has to fit in the window, and it has to be open unless you want the window also broken... < 1365889677 678500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they care. < 1365889722 288205 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If reality is a simulation, are we players or NPCs < 1365889722 520112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, also if you don't care if it is broken or not. < 1365889739 449583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well they're pretty big on not leaving conclusive evidence... < 1365889740 783725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: That is the question. Nobody knows. < 1365889764 862201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: some of each. < 1365889766 437166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well they're pretty big on everything < 1365889769 4676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're giants < 1365889772 615131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hth < 1365889802 266928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which thatsthejoke link do you prefer hth < 1365889858 738874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if the joke is that i was explaining the joke < 1365889957 898112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then i link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DontExplainTheJoke and who wants that? < 1365889982 917376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um explaining the joke is a time honoured tradition < 1365890015 536252 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365890123 505847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365890562 67326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and fix the irc rfc to allow more chars <-- um HackEgo cuts off _far_ shorter than irc demands iirc < 1365890638 795146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes | nl < 1365890640 274364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 y \ 2 y \ 3 y \ 4 y \ 5 y \ 6 y \ 7 y \ 8 y \ 9 y \ 10 y \ 11 y \ 12 y \ 13 y \ 14 y \ 15 y \ 16 y \ 17 y \ 18 y \ 19 y \ 20 y \ 21 y \ 22 y \ 23 y \ 24 y \ 25 y \ 26 y \ 27 y \ 28 y \ 29 y \ 30 y \ 31 y \ 32 < 1365890643 515663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365890656 172951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck wants tabs < 1365890712 310721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'cycle ['0'..'9']' < 1365890719 992408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,1,2, < 1365890737 989076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365890757 795064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not how you print String, HackEgo < 1365890778 193201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle ['0'..'9'] < 1365890779 857618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "01234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123... < 1365890788 196831 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mysterious.. < 1365890794 738476 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a ' issue < 1365890804 601904 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e "cycle ['0'..'9']" < 1365890804 795489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e "cycle ['0'..'9']" < 1365890809 498387 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 < 1365890809 692832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345 < 1365890839 237126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5*80+20+5 < 1365890841 98832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 425 < 1365890844 889320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1365890853 951938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's 4 not 5 < 1365890859 647018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4*80+20+5 < 1365890861 172736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god, operator precedence < 1365890861 936861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 345 < 1365890881 976939 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "\"0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345" < 1365890884 642564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 347 < 1365890886 925792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um problem? < 1365890953 5102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i hope you're not referring to anything done above < 1365890971 769743 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope is a good thing to have < 1365891035 305612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file `which yes` < 1365891036 996366 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/yes: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped < 1365891060 392504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimized < 1365891085 299201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l /usr/bin/yes < 1365891087 217299 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 27456 Apr 28 2010 /usr/bin/yes < 1365891095 564661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:03:09: Is putting large chunks of butter on my bagels a bad idea? < 1365891095 759232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:03:53: Define "large" < 1365891095 759421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:04:04: THEY CRUSH THE BAGEL < 1365891108 421571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use butter straight out of the fridge hth < 1365891113 435701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 408 byte yes but I didn't really spend any time making it small, other than writing it with no libc etc. < 1365891138 178152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i am now legitimately scared by gangnam style < 1365891148 858673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb THEY CRUSH THE BAGEL <-- don't use butter straight out of the fridge hth < 1365891149 320127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1365891174 176704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The butter is in a tub of butter that people take out with a knife < 1365891182 330287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alongside cream cheese and other stuff < 1365891190 57231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of communal butter tu--- EEEW < 1365891195 945762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the FUCK sgeo < 1365891242 548091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. People don't start eating the bagels before they use it < 1365891261 472077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tu-++ < 1365891265 760527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_polite_ people. < 1365891271 63416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you keep your cheese and butter in the same tub do you not have two tubs what is wrong with you < 1365891285 716166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to think about what impolite people do. < 1365891322 523246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are separate tubs that are next to each other. < 1365891329 511922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365891377 133708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butter is free, cream cheese is not. I think cashier thinks I'm trying to cheat... she keeps asking if it's cream cheese and I say butter < 1365891409 33907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds tense < 1365891410 641041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i scream you scream cheese < 1365891877 833852 :dysoco!~dysoco@unaffiliated/dysoco JOIN :#esoteric < 1365892180 308611 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\x7fELF\x02\x01\x01\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\x02\0>\0\x01\0\0\0x\0@\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\xb0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\08\0\x01\0@\0\x03\0\x02\0\x01\0\0\0\x05\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\x9a\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\x9a\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 \0\0\0\0\0H\xc7\xc7\x01\0\0\0H\xc7\xc6\x98\0@\0H\xc7\xc2\x02\0\0\0H\xc7\xc0\x01\0\0\0\x0f\x05\xeb\xf5y' > bin/y && chmod +x bin/y < 1365892183 767379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365892191 490447 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`y < 1365892193 130371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1365892270 272209 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 kmc "too many badchars" < 1365892284 520017 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b67c5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365892303 52023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a muppetlabs program < 1365892314 270557 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc < 1365892330 580310 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365892334 727920 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365892341 118025 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365892619 44036 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why are amd64 instructions so long < 1365892646 268695 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They added way too many registers < 1365892977 696263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case they're long because someone failed to use shorter equivalent instructions < 1365893024 586633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l y < 1365893026 266111 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access y: No such file or directory < 1365893027 423509 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365893033 320203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/y < 1365893034 957463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 154 Apr 13 22:29 bin/y < 1365893036 553350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet++ < 1365893057 598015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`y hello < 1365893058 830654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1365893061 293997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1365893066 407073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't count. < 1365893214 764469 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine < 1365893311 749124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Olivia Colman was in Look Around You as well < 1365893317 113023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only like 12 british actors aren't there < 1365893550 564227 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are serious ones as well but they mostly just do soaps < 1365893595 947984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are act�rs but they just perform on stage and hollywood films < 1365893717 665308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least one British actor I know of did stuff in a TV show after doing stuff in a Hollywood film < 1365893738 469436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's Scottish < 1365893753 853767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1365893758 65951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great british venn diagram < 1365893814 111847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so he is British. < 1365893836 199586 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep forgetting the venn diagram < 1365893896 784571 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: let me guess. david tennant < 1365893904 654130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1365893912 748185 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin\y < 1365893913 954728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin\y: No such file or directory < 1365893923 346228 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the only scottish actor" < 1365893929 618424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now < 1365893933 786582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about robbie coltrane < 1365893962 45161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Phantom_Hoover doesn't include sean connery, i see < 1365893971 883199 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1365893981 252086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well where does he live these days < 1365893994 235855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1365894067 637255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sean Connery has a villa in Kranidi, Greece. His neighbour is the Dutch crown-prince with whom he shares a helicopter platform." < 1365894099 525058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a real sense of community in illionaire villas < 1365894108 16478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Connery swore never to return to live in Scotland unless it becomes an independent state,." < 1365894128 96900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought he was in tax exile < 1365894141 9389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something about that too < 1365894194 731851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlEFfyf79DM < 1365894207 537556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Harry Potter book 4 spoilers) < 1365894207 731413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he simply assumed scotland would never become independent < 1365894213 432502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the great british venn diagram's accompanying article doesn't mention that 'scotch' is The Wrong Demonym < 1365894227 842363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is that the one where dumbledore dies? < 1365894266 166102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he supports the scottish national party. although he's no longer allowed to give them money because they passed a law against foreign contributions. < 1365894343 805691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, it's david tennant. < 1365894527 604420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should also be a venn diagram for New York City, Manhattan (borough), Manhattan (island), Long Island, Brooklyn, Queens, etc < 1365894600 754639 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference between those seems pretty unimportant < 1365894616 510490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE SCOTLAND IS ALSO UNIMPORTANT < 1365894631 939080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe" < 1365894652 755265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing when people use "Long Island" to mean "the parts of Long Island that aren't in NYC" < 1365894674 124526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well was manhattan ever INVADED BY BROOKLYN AND REPRESSED < 1365894691 501718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the differences between Manhattan the island and the political entity are more trivia than important < 1365894706 294692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: insert joke about hipsters < 1365894787 413051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Ellis Island is split between new jersey and new york in some kind of complicated arrangement < 1365894824 793161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw guess who said this (i saw it and thought of you) < 1365894828 761035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :through a complicated legal loophole, coney island turns out to still be owned by the royal dutch < 1365894829 602361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1365894830 779275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One advantage startups have over established companies is that there are no discrimination laws about starting businesses. For example, I would be reluctant to start a startup with a woman who had small children, or was likely to have them soon. < 1365894834 766449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're not allowed to ask prospective employees if they plan to have kids soon. Believe it or not, under current US law, you're not even allowed to discriminate on the basis of intelligence. < 1365894838 801662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas when you're starting a company, you can discriminate on any basis you want about who you start it with." < 1365894841 774047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this challenge is easy) < 1365894850 799563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some Asshole < 1365894852 311690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i win < 1365894852 646568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait who said this < 1365894854 208507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: paul graham < 1365894854 843683 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe it or not, < 1365894858 163668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1365894859 322175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1365894859 516213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365894861 961468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1365894862 156484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.paulgraham.com/start.html < 1365894866 313784 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now < 1365894867 612638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first guess was esr (fuck that guy) < 1365894867 981942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think he was quite like that < 1365894872 462513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess was peter thiel < 1365894878 476950 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peace be upon fuck that guy < 1365894880 258867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure esr is quite a "startup guy" < 1365894896 484149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say it was a good guess! also fuck that guy < 1365894900 149362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear without context that pg is saying this is a good thing, but he probably is < 1365894909 745912 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talked about paul graham in #lisp again today. i'm so glad i have the ability to zone out < 1365894916 964264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is a footnote to < 1365894917 711773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like most startups, ours began with a group of friends, and it was through personal contacts that we got most of the people we hired. This is a crucial difference between startups and big companies. Being friends with someone for even a couple days will tell you more than companies could ever learn in interviews. [2] < 1365894929 918287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365894931 11480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the whole article is about startups being great obviously < 1365894943 659718 :dysoco!~dysoco@unaffiliated/dysoco QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365894945 957716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a p. cool way for a bunch of college educated white guys to hire a bunch of other white guys who went to the same college < 1365894979 330901 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go see what he thinks of affirmative action, wish me luck < 1365895015 815264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "you're not even allowed to discriminate on the basis of intelligence" is a big fucking [citation needed] < 1365895036 589849 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, no mention of "affirmative" or "action", thank god < 1365895041 982835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would believe that discriminating against certain kinds of cognitive disabilities could get you in trouble < 1365895042 786407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me he's not conflating 'intelligence' with IQ < 1365895045 5991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1365895077 658894 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever he means it's dumb, so < 1365895091 369564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a mutual friend with the guy who hired me. It makes me feel awkward that that sort of thing is important < 1365895092 201156 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :« "Did Discrimination Enhance Intelligence of Jews?". National Geographic News.» why did i google this < 1365895110 78460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why indeed < 1365895115 986141 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it makes you feel better that's pretty universal, sgeo < 1365895130 120285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hard to equate "intelligence" with anything meaningful < 1365895134 172276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was that written by PG) < 1365895141 147716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it doesn't actually mean anything < 1365895164 56396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :human universals are pretty lol in general but "people like people people like" and "people are more likely to want to perform activities with someone they like" probably are < 1365895173 367424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1365895178 891977 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365895181 758974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels remaining respect for Paul Graham vanish
< 1365895194 364271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has he ever even done < 1365895203 869319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: says mr startup < 1365895206 25444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh excuse you phantom he wrote a /webstore/ < 1365895208 733028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lisp!! < 1365895224 305462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how he is sort of a lisp pariah < 1365895229 61922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody likes his book < 1365895237 248390 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noobs do < 1365895247 564743 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote a book? what is it about? < 1365895248 237640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1365895256 945300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp presumably < 1365895262 671580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: actually i left my startup job just last week < 1365895264 216435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote ANSI Common Lisp which is a pretty... something, intro to programming in CL < 1365895280 448302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote On Lisp < 1365895289 759808 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is your brain on Lisp < 1365895291 748505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it's called < 1365895293 9700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of insane < 1365895294 964501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do all the big CL authors do things that the community recommends against < 1365895306 374151 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? < 1365895308 533003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses macros for /everything/ < 1365895314 108934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to map a function over a list? WHY NOT A MACRO? < 1365895319 65748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda Over Lisp hates earmuffs, there are some quabbles about PG's stuff in On Lisp (not sure what) < 1365895320 704934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly due to the tendency to have Big Authors < 1365895321 109540 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1365895323 912669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: aw, that sucks < 1365895328 591354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: unless you left it because you found a better job < 1365895330 390271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the lisp community might just be crazy and not make good recommendations < 1365895331 59917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, Let over Lambda < 1365895331 810004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which congratulations < 1365895343 851578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earmuffs are a good recommendation, I think. < 1365895348 255416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1365895349 864049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1365895358 532614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/academics/courses/325/readings/graham/graham-notes.html if you want to see it in mind numbing detail < 1365895399 791243 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think xach or gigamonkeys write particularly insane code, i dunno < 1365895434 75514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only had PG and LoL in mind
< 1365895461 254890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read lol. reading is for squares < 1365895464 698733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not yet < 1365895470 502864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't particularly enjoying my old job < 1365895494 122562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you telling me rewriting irc as a web app isn't exciting < 1365895498 79052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we never would have guessed < 1365895498 612797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i shouldn't be a jerk about this < 1365895498 807160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a few things that were really annoying (like, one of my coworkers) and the rest of it was fine, but nothing super awesome to keep me going through the annoyances < 1365895499 924409 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b70ff.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365895502 1217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365895532 963002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hate $kmcs_coworker, they are the worst < 1365895549 145561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if given the opportunity to work with someone you know is annoying because they might have changed: they haven't and you shouldn't < 1365895589 779203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks because i really liked the rest of the people < 1365895595 526061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the main reason I was interested in working there < 1365895600 80944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o well < 1365895601 214286 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the problem with this person? < 1365895604 953300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just general annoyingness? < 1365895626 748768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they were a bicycle < 1365895671 391827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh are you implying something < 1365895675 442049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something... bikist < 1365895686 290348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds like the annoying one should've been the one to leave rather than you < 1365895699 322150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's their problem now :) < 1365895734 970821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365895740 401216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1365895768 654504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the annoying one but i'm the one who had trouble dealing with it, while he remained cheerful and productive through being annoying < 1365895854 728420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: come join me :D < 1365895857 90850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you have an association with the word "froshy" then it probably describes this person < 1365895885 366955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who thinks they're hot shit because they were the smartest person around in high school, and who dropped out after one year of college at a mediocre school < 1365895896 244250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1365895897 408065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet actually doesn't produce very good code < 1365895990 172076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and communicates poorly < 1365895991 119281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1365896117 351462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : « "Did Discrimination Enhance Intelligence of Jews?". National Geographic News.» why did i google this <-- i've heard that theory before and it actually seemed plausible. < 1365896142 544188 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/review/RN9XMF3CS1YPS nice < 1365896154 109452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it sounds very evopsychy < 1365896156 136438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly had a huge effect on cultural values, if not biology < 1365896190 425580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not hard to come up with a theory that seems plausible < 1365896260 930102 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1365896522 472230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well racism and eugenics aside (am i being stereotypical?) you wouldn't expect psychology to be _unaffected_ by evolution caused by selection. < 1365896591 351222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, but evolutionary psychology has a long history of being made-up racist shit, so i'm strongly inclined to dismiss it, unfortunately < 1365896593 514312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess there's still that nature/nurture questino. < 1365896599 436834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1365896833 665759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's all true but that doesn't mean 'property x is caused by evolutionary factor y' is actually /correct/ < 1365896853 352389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, presumably some evo psych theories are actually correct, but it's just way too easy to come up with one to justify whatever crazy bullshit you like < 1365896856 980149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way too hard to test them < 1365896883 869459 :itsy!~john_metc@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365896899 590640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classic example is the assignent of pink to females; you can say it's because berries are red and hunter gatherers and all that, and it sounds plausible < 1365896913 852292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a century or so ago pink was a masculine colour and so it all goes to shit < 1365896931 960250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365896953 410566 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if we're hating on evopsych now i want to mention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa < 1365896964 976264 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know you can actually be fired from psychology today? weird huh < 1365896967 774538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually the "pink was a masculine colour" is itself a myth hth < 1365896974 833460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kanazawa has been very controversial, which he attributes to what he considers political correctness." < 1365896977 90301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE < 1365896982 531511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, IT'S MYTHS ALL THE WAY DOWN < 1365896995 687294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys why the lucky stiff updated his site again!!!!!! < 1365896996 953673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING IS TRUE < 1365897000 39858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED < 1365897002 177112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gironda.org/pcl/SOLICIT.png < 1365897002 415035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-74-150.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cite [5] there by other evolutionary psychologists (i.e. ones that aren't racists) is pretty great and worth a read < 1365897010 928190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ very excellent < 1365897017 242320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's into ocaml now??? http://www.scribd.com/doc/135658986/-why-Homework < 1365897019 329075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY HATH RISEN ALL WILL BE UNMADE < 1365897024 320656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am i violating that list linked in the logs every time i say "actually"?) < 1365897024 592160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5541880 < 1365897030 106913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is this < 1365897039 992541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why the lucky stiff's website came back up a few months < 1365897042 303541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a public printer spool < 1365897046 28190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whytheluckystiff.net/ < 1365897053 107450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365897056 328899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its contents have been changing since < 1365897059 791366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they stopped < 1365897060 543413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for months < 1365897064 480759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed a bit to start with < 1365897074 215987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last picture before these: http://www.scribd.com/doc/135635255/desolee) < 1365897149 450 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\x7fELF\x02\x01\x01\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\x02\0>\0\x01\0\0\0x\0@\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\xc8\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\08\0\x01\0@\0\x03\0\x02\0\x01\0\0\0\x05\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\0\0@\0\0\0\0\0\xb6\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\xb6\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 \0\0\0\0\0H\xc7\xc7\x01\0\0\0H\x8bt$\x10H\x85\xf6u\x0dH\xc7\xc6\xb4\0@\0H\x8dW\x01\xeb\x17H\x89\xf2\xeb\x03H\xff\xc2\x8a\x0a\x84\xc9u\xf7\xc6\x02\x0aH\xff\xc2H)\xf2H\x89\xf8\x0f\x05\xeb\xf9y\x0a' > b < 1365897152 346761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365897163 692548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/y && y yyy < 1365897165 408999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1365897174 989503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by Jafet < 1365897189 193033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel was so much better when cpressey was in it < 1365897189 943968 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1365897192 950073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now nobody appreciates why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1365897193 143975 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1365897207 720974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4od doesn't have the armando ianucci shows ALL IS DARKNESS ALL IS DEATH < 1365897208 517190 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1365897214 205381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'const unsigned long main[] = { 0xc7e68948c7ffff31, 0x24310f00b195e206, 0xd231f88902460001, 0xe9eb050f03b2 };' > maze.c && gcc -nostdlib -o maze maze.c && ./maze < 1365897220 296090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 000000000040010c \ bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./maze < 1365897221 76331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :( < 1365897226 174909 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv bin/{y,yyy} && yyy < 1365897227 161480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 4od < 1365897229 830051 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1365897237 828971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's channel 4's on-demand thing < 1365897238 202857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Veep starts up again tomorrow < 1365897241 305893 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This machine must have different stack layout < 1365897249 473062 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/yyy < 1365897250 700707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what does your thing do? < 1365897252 575907 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365897258 375675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a different one for every channel because of socialism i guess < 1365897260 919167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant cpressey on the github account the site is hosted on: https://github.com/cwales/cwales.github.com/issues/1 < 1365897261 410172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would kill for hulu < 1365897263 157092 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes < 1365897264 303721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1365897266 198885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is User Mode Linux which is all crazy < 1365897281 499287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't need to kill you just need to get a VPS with an american IP address < 1365897292 925612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe EC2 is good enough, you can get a free EC2 instance for a year < 1365897295 961903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: your initial command got cut off at the b < 1365897299 944576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get that by killing someone < 1365897305 356536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1365897316 516648 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv b bin/y && chmod +x bin/y < 1365897318 785643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're also all on youtube anyway < 1365897319 981442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365897323 758635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless you kmtkmy < 1365897323 953592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1365897324 851392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`y yyy < 1365897326 176035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yyy \ yy < 1365897384 660591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which gccrun < 1365897386 86127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365897401 109932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl -o bin/gccrun http://web.mit.edu/snippets/programming/gccrun && chmod +x bin/gccrun < 1365897405 967003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1365897418 843300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gccrun printf("Hello, world!\n"); < 1365897420 118380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/gccrun: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `<' \ /hackenv/bin/gccrun: line 1: `