00:11:15 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:17:52 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:20:42 -!- SgeoOnLessDenseW has changed nick to Sgeo. 00:20:57 If a shirt says to machine wash warm, there's no harm in machine wash cold'ing it, is there? 00:21:11 correct 00:21:32 except that certain stains won't come out as well on cold (but that has nothing to do with the particular fabric type) 00:21:38 and other stains will come out better on cold 00:22:07 i'm a simple man with simple clothes and I wash them all together on warm and it's working out p. well 00:22:34 All my shirts except one say machine wash cold 00:22:41 So I'll go ahead and machine wash cold 00:25:09 good judgment call 00:30:17 Huh. About 3/4 of my shirts say warm and 1/4 say cold. 00:31:17 shachaf: I'm trying to figure out what "I,I drop shipping" might mean. 00:31:23 Then wash it separately. 00:31:44 Is "drop" the verb or the noun? Is "I" the first-person singular pronoun? Is "I,I" an ordered pair? 00:32:29 Is this "shipping" as in the conveyance of goods, or as in the... what do you call it. 00:32:45 The imagination of relationships? 00:32:58 istr being told here recently that I,I means "i have nothing to say, i just like saying" 00:33:13 or thereabouts 00:33:17 "I have nothing to say, I just like saying drop shipping"? 00:33:22 yeah 00:33:31 Like "I just like saying 'drop shipping'"? 00:33:36 Makes sense, I guess. 00:33:42 the "say" possibly was something else. 00:33:49 but not much more meaningful. 00:34:16 tswett: well the louisiana purchase _did_ look a bit like drop shipping 00:34:34 What is drop shipping, anyway? 00:34:39 Is it when you convey goods by dropping them? 00:35:21 "Drop shipping is a supply chain management technique in which the retailer does not keep goods in stock, but instead transfers customer orders and shipment details to either the manufacturer or a wholesaler, who then ships the goods directly to the customer." hth 00:36:55 ts ts ts ts ts ts ts ts ts DROP SHIPPING WUBBBBBBBwubwubwubKZZZZZZZkzZWUBWUBWUBwubwubwub 00:37:16 is kmc quoting lyrics again 00:37:24 dubstep: a lyric 00:49:26 I,I I,I 00:54:30 forkIO $ join . atomically $ x >>= readTVar >>= \x -> check (x==0) >> return (putStrLn "Is zero.") Either the STM implementation knows to not resume the thread until the TVar changes, or it doesn't check very often 00:54:45 it knows 00:54:51 Cool 00:54:51 that's the essential idea of STM 00:55:02 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 00:55:15 Well, the condition is pure 00:55:17 :t atomically 00:55:19 Not in scope: `atomically' 00:55:30 So there shouldn't be any reason why it shouldn't know 00:56:24 Doesn't know the specific TVar under question, or does it treat all TVars touched by that time as suspect? 00:56:38 well, it doesn't even care about "check". 00:56:44 it cares about "readTVar" 00:57:08 i don't know that I'd say it's the 'essential idea', but it's p. important 00:57:31 i thought the essential idea of STM was the check state -> do transacation -> check consistency thing 00:57:34 or something 00:57:37 @hoogle atomically 00:57:38 GHC.Conc.Sync atomically :: STM a -> IO a 00:57:38 GHC.Conc atomically :: STM a -> IO a 00:57:38 Control.Monad.STM atomically :: STM a -> IO a 00:57:39 elliott: also why are you still +o don't you know that it raises the Channel Temperature™ 00:57:41 well the "essential idea" is composition 00:57:48 Bike: it depends on whether you mean the user's or implementor's point of view 00:57:51 kmc: oerjan hasn't added me to the access list yet! 00:57:53 kmc: oh you think that's dumb too huh 00:57:59 need to be prepared for them trolls 00:58:07 :o) 00:58:07 Bike: channel temp? nah, it's probably fine advice 00:58:14 o 00:58:41 mainly I like it when people aren't +o all the time because then when they give themselves +o it's like WOAH SHIT JUST GOT REAL 00:58:41 elliott: wait i thought you were +o to handle Gregor's voice 00:58:48 haha, true 00:58:57 i always imagine it as the sound of a pump action shotgun being cocked 00:59:00 XD 00:59:09 motherfucker you'd best step off 00:59:18 like a sheriff walking out from around the corner, holding his handgun 00:59:20 "settle down, boys" 00:59:39 like in a cowboy movie 01:00:37 oerjan: yes. 01:00:44 oerjan: consider: someone might come in and demand Gregor have an incorrect voice state. 01:00:53 that would be rather disruptive 01:01:02 yes 01:01:16 i think this is stretching things a bit. 01:01:29 no, it's a reasonable concern 01:01:37 oerjan: i have special domain-specific knowledge that i bring to this team 01:01:47 kmc: i like it most when multiple ops go +o within seconds of each other 01:01:56 and then there's the slight tension as they try to predict whether the other one will act first 01:01:59 is that like a mexican standoff 01:02:01 so it takes a few seconds longer for anything to happen 01:02:28 you need less scrupulous ops 01:02:29 kmc: it's like a mexican standoff except they're all shooting the sae guy 01:02:34 aka a firing squad maybe 01:02:40 yeah 01:02:42 a nervous firing squad 01:03:15 Nervous Firing Squad, kmc's other band 01:03:48 kmc has a lot of bands 01:04:31 i recently read that quisling's firing squad had to replace one member who lost his nerves 01:06:19 are we talking literal nerves 01:06:23 "whoops they fell out" 01:06:34 i do not think so 01:06:44 demyelinating diseases are no laughing matter 01:07:26 i do not think they would admit people with such a disease into the police. 01:08:00 ableist 01:08:08 Bike: what if I laugh in the face of death, generally speaking 01:08:33 and what if he then answers DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR HALITOSIS 01:18:16 "In a February 2005 article in The Times, Julie Burchill argued that use of the word is a form of "social racism", and that such "sneering" reveals more about the shortcomings of the "chav-haters" than those of their supposed victims." -- WP:Chav 01:18:20 seriously 01:18:25 is that the level we're at 01:18:33 that we're calling it 'social racism' now 01:18:51 like, by analogy with 'gender racism'? 01:18:53 it's like classism, except... 01:19:03 NOBODY GETS HURT 01:19:03 and sexual orientation racism? 01:19:46 or race racism 01:19:47 "Gay" is the best race. 01:20:00 does 'classism' just sound too old-fashioned as a word 01:20:06 BBC tells me that Britain has 7 classes now 01:20:08 it sounds marxist 01:20:12 each classier than the others 01:20:34 istr there was something very stupid in that article but i forget what it was 01:20:36 "Actually the whole point of an interpreter was portability and abstraction" talking about programming languages is suffering 01:20:48 also I learned that the Daily Mail has a section called "Femail" which is all about condescending to women and is even worse than the regular Daily Mail 01:20:56 that's an impressive feat 01:21:01 i know, right? 01:21:15 i'm sceptical 01:21:26 maybe it's not really worse, because it's more vapid and pointless 01:21:34 i dunno 01:21:40 i mean the rest of the daily mail is technically responsible for the ongoing measles epidemic in swansea 01:21:44 what 01:21:50 well i have to check it out now 01:21:53 Phantom_Hoover: oh? 01:21:57 well they were one of the big promulgators of the mmr scare 01:22:02 ugh 01:22:07 anti-vacciners? 01:22:09 mercury vaccines or something else? 01:22:13 no 01:22:20 mercury vaccines is an american thing 01:22:43 the british version is that MMR is what gives your children autism 01:22:47 «'I wish IVF had never been invented' It's brought joy to so many. But, as the scientist behind IVF dies, Samantha Brick says it's given her nothing but heartache...» what the heck 01:22:55 Phantom_Hoover: that's a big thing in america too 01:23:03 they claim the mercury causes autism somehow 01:23:14 oh, yeah, wakefield 01:23:16 yes, autism is obviously a popular choice 01:23:18 fuck that guy 01:23:38 (not dr wakefield any more, he got banned from doctoring) 01:23:42 and autism is as bad as hitler and it's worth subjecting your kids to dangerous diseases with a good chance of killing or cripplingn them because /at least it's not autism/ 01:23:50 * Fiora fume -_- 01:23:56 «'I've only had three boyfriends! I'm not interested in serial dating' says actress Tamsin Egerton despite rumours linking her to Singularity co-star Josh Hartnett» good lord 01:24:08 Last thing I heard was that vitamin d deficiency during pregnancy causes autism 01:24:14 i guess being a parent of an autistic kid is terrifying and heartbreaking and you'll grasp desparately for anyone to blame or any supposed cure 01:24:54 i think autism is "heartbreaking" mainly because most people have no fucking idea what it is 01:24:55 anxiety over autism scares in pregnancy causes autism 01:25:05 kmc: they definitely should never, like, ask the kids how they feel 01:25:18 well at one end of the spectrum you can't right 01:25:22 because the true victims are the poor parents 01:25:23 because the kids never talk, ever 01:25:23 "YouTube star who rose to fame after hilarious drunk makeup tutorial now has more than one billion hits and 8.2 million subscribers" 01:25:27 Fiora: um i heard autistic kids don't have emotions 01:25:29 100% science fact 01:25:44 from the institute of official science 01:25:49 i mean it's not like 'autistic' means 'kinda socially awkward guy on reddit' 01:25:56 He loves impersonal sex, should I worry? 01:26:09 impersonal sex 01:26:14 impersonational sex 01:26:16 is that like sheet with a hole sex 01:26:21 ghost sex 01:26:22 sorry, I have feelings about this <_> 01:26:37 kmc: well it's disingenuous to imply that "autism" in general refers to extreme cases 01:26:38 ok i'm doing it i'm going to read this article 01:26:41 or at least look at it. 01:26:55 elliott: sure, I think we can agree that it's a spectrum and people are complicated and Blah Blah 01:27:40 "My partner of four years often asks me to lie still in bed, as if I’m asleep, while he makes love to me. He is particularly turned on if I’m lying on my tummy. 01:27:41 and in general it is widely interpreted as "autistic people cannot X" when what it actually means is "autistic people X differently but my perspective is too blinkered to understand it, isn't it tragic" 01:27:43 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2305384/Rowan-Pellings-sex-advice-column-He-loves-impersonal-sex.html#ixzz2QUW4WnFA 01:27:49 elliott: yeah 01:27:54 it doesn't even mean that 01:27:58 all the same nerds focus on the least extreme manifestations, ime 01:27:58 I know a couple of guys with aspergers 01:28:02 it means "some people described as autistic do X differently" 01:28:11 "autism" is a description, not a disease 01:28:11 I think 01:28:23 I'm magnetic to people with aspergers for some reason 01:28:35 you may already be... an internet user 01:28:36 imo most psychiatric 'diseases' are essentially 'descriptions', i'm not sure how you would distinguish them 01:28:40 Fiora: yeah, I was generalising (I have a professional™ official™ aspergers diagnosis™) 01:28:42 Also, I can't tell they have aspergers unless they tell me 01:28:47 http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/47935156276/hedgehoglike-this-post-is-some-personal <-- this is a good post 01:28:50 or maybe it was one of the fancier autism diagnoses, I don't actually remember 01:28:57 generalising, simplifying, whatever 01:28:58 elliott: I'm PDD-NOS, yay 01:28:59 "same thing" 01:29:00 Fiora, egotist 01:29:03 kmc: certainly they're not something you can "cure". 01:29:21 especially something developmental, come on people. 01:29:22 -!- Tod-Autojoined2 has changed nick to TodPunk. 01:29:22 it depends, mostly not tho 01:29:36 it means development is different. you can't just erase years of that. 01:30:14 "The key thing is that you say your boyfriend is a kind, salt-of-the-earth type — not a brooding Marquis de Sade. 01:30:17 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2305384/Rowan-Pellings-sex-advice-column-He-loves-impersonal-sex.html#ixzz2QUWiWiFo 01:30:20 ugh fuck 01:30:24 what have i done 01:30:36 right i'm done now 01:30:39 back to the mental 01:30:43 Fiora, i like how ~the autism spectrum~ is, like, a general breakdown of human psychological traits 01:30:55 well it is 01:31:07 Phantom_Hoover: that's because "autism" is a description/pathology of human psychological traits <.< 01:31:39 or rather the point of the Pink Floyd diagram is to show how the developmental differences result in different levels for psychological traits 01:31:40 it seems so hopelessly general... 01:31:54 mental illness is like that 01:32:12 you threaten suicide so they put you on meds that have suicidal ideation as a side effect 01:32:12 whats cool to me is that some genes reliably result in autism 01:32:15 minds are weird 01:32:17 * Sgeo was diagnosed with Asperger's. At least, according to my dad. 01:32:27 It was kept a secret from me for a long time. 01:32:30 I think generally "autism" is diagnosed by some more specific symptoms, rather than generalized things? like stimming and the sensitivities and so on 01:32:37 Bike: i like how the daily mail has javascript to make people link to the daily mail when they quote them mockingly 01:32:37 Sgeo, oh my god 01:32:56 I'm not an expert though or anything 01:33:04 elliott: i have contributed a twentieth of a cent to their coffers ;_; 01:33:54 Sgeo: ... 01:34:03 the major thing to remember about diagnoses i think is that there's a criterion, explicit or implicit (because you wouldn't seek mental help), of "impairs normal function" 01:34:23 if you see dancing elephants but still have a fairly normal life you might never walk to the doctor and find out 01:34:51 Bike: sort of gets trickier when there are children involved (which i think is the case for the majority of autism diagnoses?) 01:34:53 Bike, there is a rich vein of Sgeo coming to the surface 01:35:13 diagnostic criteria aren't some kind of rubric to fulfill, they're basic guidelines for psychiatric professionals to figure out what's good for an individual patient 01:35:20 suggest we focus on this 01:35:21 elliott: oh, sure. 01:35:26 'Autism' was on ... some paperwork, and when I saw it, my parents said something about them lying to the school to make sure I had services. I thought I only had ADHD. I guess they were both lying to the school and to me... 01:35:29 Autism, by merit of being a developmental disorder, tends to have much greater *impact* when you're younger. 01:35:39 Sgeo..... 01:35:41 I'm really not comfortable making fun of Sgeo for being autistic, if that's what you're alluding to. 01:35:48 no, Bike 01:35:54 that... is not what i am alluding to 01:35:57 ok 01:36:04 Like, now I broadly resemble normality for certain definitions thereof. 01:36:12 But when I was 3 I couldn't speak. At all. 01:36:21 I didn't speak until I was um... about 3 and a half, I think 01:36:24 I'm comfortable making fun of Sgeo but I don't know any jokes 01:37:30 i like how the world's largest autism charity literally wants to get rid of autistic people 01:37:37 THX 4 THA SUPPORT 01:37:41 i think i could talk when i was two but i was, like, raised by a crazy nanny from the highlands 01:37:43 elliott: yeah ;-; 01:37:47 Yeah, those guys are assholes. 01:37:57 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:37:58 and they literally have no autistic people working for them 01:38:07 As a matter of policy no less. 01:38:15 wow 01:38:25 Fiora: can't have crazies working for your serious charity obvs 01:38:26 I had an aspy friend who did stuff for them, I think 01:38:40 and just for the record vaccinations have no relation to autism 01:38:45 of course not <_> 01:38:48 thanks doesthiswork 01:38:53 i wasn't sure 01:39:11 doesthiswork: But but thimerosol! 01:39:28 thiomersal you UNEDUCATED FUCK 01:39:33 Does Autism Speaks actually promote anti-vax garbage? 01:39:39 Sgeo: No. 01:39:50 They're assholes, not utterly ignorant assholes. :P 01:40:20 pikhq_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks#Position_on_vaccines 01:40:22 well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Speaks#Position_on_vaccines 01:40:29 (they're utterly ignorant assholes) 01:40:32 wow Bike how dare you 01:40:32 Oh, never mind. 01:40:34 stealing my link 01:40:37 fuck off elliott 01:40:38 Phantom_Hoover: several hundred messages ago is too far to read 01:40:40 can i kick you for that (i am asking because i am responsible) 01:40:42 Well, fuck them. 01:40:50 elliott: what's my optimal kicked status 01:40:55 I read about Autism Speaks somewhere, and someone made up "Neurotypical Speaks". 01:41:03 wow, that sounds even worse! 01:41:11 Bike: like maybe half kicked? 01:41:12 can we achieve that. 01:41:15 hm 01:41:17 There was a parody site called ISN'T somewhere 01:41:18 only one way to find out 01:42:20 Bike: woooow 01:42:23 they're even worse than I imagined 01:42:42 http://www.sentex.net/~nexus23/naa_03.html here have a large repository of complaining about such things 01:42:44 hey guys i havent been paying attention whatd i miss 01:42:56 Autism and nothing but. 01:42:57 shittiness 01:43:17 hey 01:43:21 the daily mail also 01:43:30 Sounds more like wasting money than spreading the bad idea? 01:43:31 oh wait you were here for that 01:43:33 Phantom_Hoover: wow, i've never seen "behaviourism" used in that sense... 01:43:33 n/m 01:43:52 pikhq_: sounds miserable 01:44:04 Sgeo: as it alludes to, having a big organization taking that shit seriously gives parents more cause to believe that shit. 01:44:04 Perhaps we should discuss butts instead. 01:44:07 even worse 01:44:12 let's go back to autism :-) 01:44:20 buttism 01:44:33 maybe the wonderful stereotypes, like how autistic people don't have empathy 01:44:52 Oh, those are *grand*. 01:50:21 -!- Jafet has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:50:51 @ask fizzie is oklopol real 01:50:51 Consider it noted. 01:51:44 -!- Jafet has joined. 01:53:03 oklofok: hi 01:53:50 folk?? 01:54:18 whoah, oklofok backwards is kofolko 01:56:39 and oklopol backwards is lopolko! who'dve guessed 01:56:48 folk and polka 01:56:50 blowin' my mind here 01:56:59 Well, I'm stupid 01:57:13 Bike: man have you even been around when oklofok has been active. you're missing out on so much cultural enrichment 01:57:13 Unlikely 01:57:18 How do I make a LIFO data structure in haskell? 01:57:34 ...a stack? 01:57:40 wait no that's backwards isn't it 01:57:41 No, stacks are fifo 01:57:43 god i hate the lifo fifo thing 01:57:58 You can use lists for fifo 01:58:55 http://cvs.haskell.org/Hugs/pages/libraries/base/Data-Sequence.html has enough for queueing, i guess 01:59:30 yeah Seq is a fine queue 01:59:36 i mean wouldn't it be basically the same as in any language 01:59:37 even a fine deque 01:59:59 Bike: well in most languages the expectation is that you'd be mutating a structure, not producing a new one 02:00:08 yeah but past that. 02:00:19 you can make mutating data structures in Haskell, and you can (and should) make persistent immutable data structures in other languages 02:00:23 but the default is different 02:00:28 Bike: ok bike. i know you're a bicycle 02:00:34 hello 02:00:34 but if the url has /Hugs/ in it 02:00:36 Bike: it's a pretty deep difference 02:00:38 you're linking to something from 2006 02:00:47 see Okasaki, _Purely Functional Data Structures_ 02:01:02 http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/containers/0.5.2.1/doc/html/Data-Sequence.html 02:01:07 elliott: it's two seconds of googling. 02:01:30 you should see the number of people that join #haskell and ask about why they can't find a function in some random ancient version of a package's docs :( 02:01:38 * elliott old, weary 02:01:41 No, stacks are fifo <-- um no you _are_ getting this backwards. 02:01:44 if you want amortized time guarantees on persistent data structures then you actually need laziness in order to avoid duplicating work between different 'timelines' 02:01:55 it's kind of neat 02:02:16 oerjan: If I push something onto a stack 02:02:17 elliott: hello, so has glasgow university gone anywhere with that language implementation? 02:02:19 And then pop 02:02:24 I get exactly what I just pushed 02:02:25 FIFO 02:02:31 FreeFull: you push 1, you push 2 02:02:32 FreeFull: try pushing two things 02:02:32 you pop, you get 2 02:02:36 i heard it was lazy 02:02:38 you pop, you get 1 02:02:46 you pushed 1 first and it came out last, hence FILO 02:03:02 Bike: they got sold out to microsoft at some point 02:03:04 elliott: Oh, right 02:03:06 seriously though what's the point of the fifo thing, i learned that in boringclass but i don't think it particularly helped 02:03:08 push 1 -> push 2 -> pop (1) -> pop (2) would be FIFO, because you pushed 1 first and got it out first 02:03:10 Jafet: micro$oft 02:03:37 Bike: FIFOs are for buffers and pipes and stuff 02:03:39 Microdollaroft 02:04:06 I know the point. I don't know why you'd move out that description from just general data structure everything. 02:04:07 And simple caches 02:04:21 Ok, so stacks are LIFOs, what's a simple FIFO 02:04:28 a queue 02:04:34 (ue?) 02:04:52 qeuue 02:04:56 > (++"ue") `iterate` "Q" 02:04:57 ["Q","Que","Queue","Queueue","Queueueue","Queueueueue","Queueueueueue","Que... 02:04:59 q 02:06:04 > iterate (++"ue") "Hue" 02:06:05 ["Hue","Hueue","Hueueue","Hueueueue","Hueueueueue","Hueueueueueue","Hueueue... 02:06:19 -!- augur has joined. 02:06:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:06:45 I mean, a cons list is a simple LIFO 02:07:04 yes 02:07:19 a singly linked list is basically a stack 02:07:23 But I can't think of how you'd declare a datastructure that'd be a FIFO 02:07:35 doubly linked list, keep both ends 02:07:54 yeah, you can't make an efficient immutable structure that way though 02:07:58 you have to copy the whole thing on each step 02:08:12 a classic immutable/persistent queue structure is composed of two lists 02:08:17 i haven't used enough queues to care about how to do it immutably :c 02:08:19 I don't want to use a list and do two reverses each time or whatever 02:08:43 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69192/how-to-implement-a-queue-using-two-stacks 02:08:59 or you could fill a circular buffer 02:09:15 that basically does an O(n) reverse only once every n operations, so it's amortized O(1) 02:09:36 but this doesn't hold up when you're allowed to hang onto an 'old version' of the structure and use it over and over 02:09:40 FreeFull: the finger tree used for immutable (de)que(ues) in Data.Sequence are quite insanely clever, much more complicated than a list. but i've read they're still quite efficient. 02:09:44 working around that is basically what Okasaki's book is about 02:09:49 *trees 02:09:54 for the double list queue, then for more complicated things 02:09:58 Finger trees are crazy 02:10:01 edwardk has a good talk about finger trees 02:10:39 i think the problem with finger trees is that they are boring 02:10:47 they're so easy 02:10:47 they are good at everything but they're never excitingly good at anything 02:10:56 elliott: Monads are boring and look at all the hype 02:11:04 :/ 02:11:29 elliott: dunno I think the annotated ropes in trifecta or whatever are p. exciting 02:11:44 well i mean like from an efficiency pov 02:11:49 finger tree sequences of big unboxed chunks of text, annotated with source positions and what not 02:13:36 elliott: i was surprised to read that finger trees are more efficient than that pair of lists thing 02:14:06 for zippers? 02:14:15 for queues 02:14:22 ah 02:14:33 but basically for anything not efficient with a single list 02:15:57 elliott just can't stand the numbing genericity 02:16:10 which means that there's basically little reason to avoid Data.Sequence 02:16:59 once a single list doesn't fit 02:17:10 I should learn what finger trees are 02:17:12 -!- conehead has joined. 02:17:59 Sgeo: http://apfelmus.nfshost.com/articles/monoid-fingertree.html 02:20:08 apfelmus is pretty awesome 02:20:15 I should read more of eir articles 02:21:13 what's "apfelmus" mean 02:22:54 what's "Bike" mean 02:23:04 it's an abbreviation for "bicycle" 02:23:11 so called because it has two cycling wheels 02:23:25 Mother of God... 02:23:27 what's "monqy" mean 02:23:33 what's "Sgeo" mean 02:23:41 `? monqy 02:23:46 dunno about no sgeos, though. 02:23:48 The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. 02:23:58 haskell report says 'The results of exceptional conditions (such as overflow or underflow) on the fixed-precision numeric types are undefined; an implementation may choose error (_|_, semantically), a truncated value, or a special value such as infinity, indefinite, etc.' 02:24:03 Gregor: did i just blow your mind 02:24:07 does this allow actually Undefined Behavior in the C sense 02:24:12