< 1366243214 36449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is because siberia is huge < 1366243221 296308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as big as wales??? < 1366243231 769454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even bigger, in some parts < 1366243233 457229 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366243234 612588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly bigger < 1366243241 341392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke was comparing everything to the size of wales guys < 1366243252 523546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you know about: cpos < 1366243256 693577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much more has happened < 1366243264 95956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because let's face it who knows about wales < 1366243272 20501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its history < 1366243288 712308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i do not!) < 1366243299 529416 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly siberia is basically too big for me to comprehend < 1366243306 580337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sakha by itself is about as big as india < 1366243314 24364 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has like four billion people in it < 1366243317 275189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just like america < 1366243328 436277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i've been to america it's not that big < 1366243330 108567 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada, maybe < 1366243338 27717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is huge < 1366243346 774388 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the ass of the world < 1366243350 435681 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly alaska though < 1366243351 88483 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as we say here < 1366243352 225882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything bigger than the UK is huge < 1366243356 205295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wasn't even counting alaska < 1366243358 767004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alaska does not count < 1366243378 44720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the british empire at greatest extent was bigger than the US is now... < 1366243384 914994 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that probably /includes/ parts of the us < 1366243412 855138 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :british empire was biggest once iirc < 1366243419 337294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but... < 1366243429 517212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start those didn't really count as places, it was just sort of adding to the list of bragging rights < 1366243445 276830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second I WAS BORN IN 1995 OK < 1366243467 797679 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey it didn't include any US, except maybe that tiny part of Canada near Minnesota < 1366243473 25402 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Iq8P_KCMf6U/SXfRqFbWDBI/AAAAAAAAAB0/0-eXe_Orw_o/s400/british+empire+greatest+extent.png < 1366243485 167318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shitty size) < 1366243509 93825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok i got my magnifying glass out < 1366244032 432625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, wait was the british empire ever actually part of the UK] < 1366244038 262233 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02388/BRITAIN_2388153b.jpg I'm reminded of this image < 1366244045 956314 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(white: countries britain did not invade) < 1366244046 269799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRITAIN < 1366244066 390522 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the UK is confusing enough now, do i really have to bother about the past too < 1366244098 729523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was simpler in the past, wasn't it < 1366244103 47730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: when did britain invade, like, ethiopia < 1366244125 747801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the confusion now is because of the long and messy process of dismantling the empire < 1366244135 436993 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia would have been the civil war i suppose < 1366244200 562030 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indonesia... during malaysia apparently < 1366244250 349016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: damn, we really missed out on sweden. < 1366244256 35170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :portugal, like, the peninsular war? < 1366244256 698198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1366244257 71805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bolivia. < 1366244261 77405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't invade sweden < 1366244263 777741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK THIS PLACE < 1366244311 817443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't tell when portugal was invaded you have a treaty in force from fucking 1373 < 1366244324 980534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1372 < 1366244346 840450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: great map :) < 1366244371 295541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did the UK invade norway < 1366244380 646195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nazi times? < 1366244386 941943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe during wwii < 1366244405 89178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Campaign ah yep < 1366244416 629939 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obviously a stretchy definition of "invade", but hey < 1366244460 416921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also confusing because modern borders < 1366244465 34365 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not during ww2 < 1366244469 299057 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that too < 1366244474 936452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... canada < 1366244484 945484 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like britain invaded south sudan < 1366244488 156380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1366244508 555260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this map is too old to have south sudan i think < 1366244528 641792 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :war on terror wasn't found yet < 1366244541 753753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this count being given a protectorate as 'invading' < 1366244554 248213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it counts pretty much everything as invading, near as i can tell < 1366244601 853965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"glancing at once" < 1366244619 173887 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if there is no uno-policy < 1366244637 949954 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's good for rhetorical points, not so much for accuracy < 1366244661 595729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html < 1366244665 102375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the article, I think < 1366244679 664610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now adding "so look out Luxembourg" to the end of all headlines < 1366244685 582528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366244688 946365 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo my native luxembourg :( < 1366244697 668237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry < 1366244715 345129 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it includes everything that has had british military presence, or privateers/pirates/armed explorers operating with the approval of their government < 1366244760 841175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new research" < 1366244789 568846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck, we DID invade the maldives that one time, didn't we' < 1366244801 604339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new scans have detected british soldiers in 9 out of 10 countries" < 1366244815 977968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait this map is new enough to have south sudan < 1366244818 325209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergh. < 1366244850 262490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when they made south sudan < 1366244878 638485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy in my school whose family was from sudan and another who was from algeria < 1366244897 901326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so like I was reading about the south sea bubble and /wooooow/ < 1366244899 570587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter was gloating to the former about how he was now from the largest african country < 1366244911 654162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, financial scam stuff from today, 300 years ago < 1366244917 249451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the what < 1366244937 612710 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sea_Company < 1366244940 900470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the guy that made up a fake island and sold people shares of it < 1366244947 283011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a company basically created to pawn off the debt of the british government < 1366244957 652564 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't think the UK ever invaded east timor per se. fucked it over, yes, but at a distance < 1366244969 960643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they gave it resource/trade rights for a region of the world that seemed valuable, but actually wasn't, because the spanish owned it and they were insanely restricted < 1366244981 988820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they gave out tons of shares, bribed people, did tons of marketing and promotion, and the share prices soared 1000% < 1366244994 698081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's beyond me how you come up with a plan like "let's make a company and give it a monopoly over a continent" < 1366245003 724097 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in an economic crash as the bubble popped and thousands of people went bankrupt and ruined countless british royalty < 1366245008 317335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just that clever < 1366245011 180118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1366245024 956054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and countless non-royalty too) < 1366245029 978428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Governor and Company of the merchants of Great Britain, trading to the South Seas and other parts of America, and for the encouragement of fishing < 1366245033 16301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1366245035 498791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic name < 1366245037 316003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love fishing < 1366245037 954247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolls off the tongue < 1366245051 521556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder who first came up with the idea of naming things short enough that people will actually remember them < 1366245052 152760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like, everything. financial scam artists, politicians trying to pawn off debt, politicians being bribed, cheesy financial constructions < 1366245057 303827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TGaCotMoGBTttSSaOPoAaftEoF for short < 1366245065 22183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like < 1366245066 473580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh come on < 1366245072 412231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :realised that you don't have to explain literally everything about a thing in its name < 1366245075 37535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wasn't that much british royalty < 1366245089 430570 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366245091 87204 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tried counting the british royalty? < 1366245092 395085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I mean aristocracy I guess to be more precise < 1366245093 421910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot < 1366245101 833126 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rich titled people <.< < 1366245105 612219 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i couldn't count them < 1366245119 967867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Bubble Act, which forbade the creation of joint-stock companies without royal charter, was promoted by the South Sea company itself before its collapse" nice < 1366245136 513314 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like the name there < 1366245151 516562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the cardinality of the royals is at most aleph null < 1366245153 845670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :R v Cawood (1724) 2 Ld. Raym. 1361, the only prosecution brought under the Act which, according to L.C.B. Gower, (Principles of Modern Company Law, 4th Ed., 31) "decided nothing of importance". < 1366245165 303573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so many things they did that basically feel amazingly deja-vuish < 1366245172 130165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the whole thing feels like it's actually a financial scam from 2008 or something < 1366245178 407074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, like, with some bit about south america < 1366245181 764313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they cite an economics paper that turned out to be largely made up < 1366245182 788664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we playing ask elliott what to do with my life < 1366245184 745857 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[OH BURN] < 1366245190 98091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366245193 683016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: waht should i do with my life < 1366245201 240091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than learn to spell < 1366245204 811811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: discover uppercase letters < 1366245214 123916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A resolution was proposed in parliament that bankers be tied up in sacks filled with snakes and tipped into the murky Thames." < 1366245215 285650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uppercase letters are stupid < 1366245219 467584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The most commercially significant aspect of the company's monopoly trading rights to the Spanish empire was the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht's slave-trading 'Asiento', which granted the exclusive right to sell slaves in all of the American colonies. The Asiento set a quota of selling 4800 people into slavery per year» < 1366245224 474332 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :europe is fuck < 1366245232 975162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the point of having two equivalent sets of letters < 1366245244 70659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of which look completely different < 1366245246 153527 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"during the course of 96 voyages in twenty-five years, the South Sea Company purchased 34,000 slaves of whom 30,000 survived the voyages across the Atlantic" < 1366245250 426171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, which way around of a quote was it < 1366245252 365491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you take a letter from one set if it's at the beginning of a sentence and/or name < 1366245258 999610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense < 1366245260 467054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the best part was how the import duties on slaves were actually so high that the "trading rights" weren't even worth anything < 1366245261 826590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wh < 1366245267 134898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it like you have to sell AT LEAST 4800 people < 1366245270 85686 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like, a whole thing constructed to look valuable but not actually be valuable < 1366245271 711663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quota < 1366245274 438612 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh quota < 1366245276 187473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what should i do with my life < 1366245285 329025 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha < 1366245303 66049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lower bound, looks like < 1366245314 978517 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Disputes connected with it led to the War of Jenkins' Ear (1739)." hey i forgot about the best war ever < 1366245319 133621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it just casually implies literally four thousand slaves died travelling < 1366245320 389132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1366245335 956030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had to guess the mortality rate among non-slaves was probably pretty high too at sea <.< < 1366245337 960261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "In other words, approximately 11% of humans transported as slaves died in transport. This was a relatively low mortality rate on the Middle Crossing" < 1366245351 964059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366245354 731682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything I would be almost unsurprised if fewer slaves died than seamen >_< < 1366245355 599911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :south sea company, high quality slave trade < 1366245356 234560 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip slavery sucked < 1366245360 35679 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the salves were more valuable < 1366245362 232490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slaves < 1366245383 248152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the slaves were still in shitty(ier) cargo hold conditions, though < 1366245385 414404 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the british navy just, like, ""impressed"" people. or something < 1366245394 678963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worst euphemism ever) < 1366245396 189540 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you've seen the diagrams of slave holds < 1366245401 625336 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ._. < 1366245406 364845 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1366245420 275674 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1036) shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1366245435 187977 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:African_slave_trade.png it's kind of pretty sad how little we know about precolonial africa :/ < 1366245462 84676 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the parts not directly relevant to slave traders < 1366245480 965929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't know, what are you doing now? < 1366245494 810386 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In 1807, the UK Parliament passed the Bill that abolished the trading of slaves. The King of Bonny (now in Nigeria) was horrified at the conclusion of the practice: "We think this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God himself."» < 1366245510 979115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1036s/>/> /' quotes < 1366245519 68697 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1366245526 651500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm pretty sure the cardinality of the royals is at most aleph null <-- now now, they could be fractally distributed < 1366245568 788569 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" King Jaja of Opobo, a former slave himself, completely refused to do business with slavers" hm not bad < 1366245614 660469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the brits invaded and killed him. thx < 1366245624 885369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the east, as Jaja declared himself as the middle-man in palm Oil trading, thus asking them to stop trading directly with the European. This resulted in a war (Ikot Udo Obong War) between Jaja and the Annang and Ibuno people" < 1366245628 739133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1887, he was deceived when he was told to go and negotiate with the Queen of England by the British and sent on exile to Saint Vincent in the West Indies." < 1366245653 333533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "nothing" to a first approximation < 1366245691 621694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1366245723 145293 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think i need a doll of niall ferguson to punch when i read these things < 1366245739 3706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1036 < 1366245743 894421 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1036) shachaf: make friends. help people. find ways to help people be happy. hug people. have fun. make the world a little bit better. < 1366245746 559729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i did it right < 1366245764 661202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's niall ferguson < 1366245766 192062 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1366245767 637567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i move to `run sed -i '1036s/shachaf: //' quotes < 1366245778 146535 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! :o < 1366245819 2100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a conservative historian. "The 19th-century empire undeniably pioneered free trade, free capital movements and, with the abolition of slavery, free labour. " etc < 1366245866 136786 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean niels ferguson? < 1366245881 821199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1366245902 406603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly i just found a "Politically Incorrect Guide" to the british empire < 1366245923 443210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's married to a former editor of the daily mail apparently < 1366245928 306844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertising such unknown facts on the cover as that they ended the slave trade and fought nazis once!! < 1366245937 577685 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stood alone < 1366246048 292241 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the kingdom of bonny still exists < 1366246137 131216 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of subnational kingdoms in African countries, especially the west I think. < 1366246157 979610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I hope the suggestion isn't too terrible < 1366246192 641402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: i note that niall ferguson is a scotsman who has essentially dedicated his life to making the english look good < 1366246205 166637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366246214 851821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think he thinks of the scottish excursion in panama < 1366246239 356912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask him, i don't want to go anywhere near such a twisted mindset < 1366246245 804183 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good decision < 1366246280 244006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile meanwhile: christ, timothy mcveigh was annoying < 1366246282 759666 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iceland, invaded in 1940 by the British after the neutral nation refused to enter the war on the Allies side" er what < 1366246292 760910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the bomber? < 1366246295 67496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit it's raining a lot < 1366246302 156352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice < 1366246307 365744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have invaded switzerland too < 1366246312 357180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like 10x more annoying than iceland imo < 1366246326 905953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US semi-accidentally bombed them a few times < 1366246331 734657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like semi-accidentally < 1366246334 878901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry, we missed" < 1366246338 773853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but we still hate you..." < 1366246348 360665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1366246374 657110 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Initial British aims were to destroy all landing grounds (blue) and secure key harbours (red). Due to transportation problems it was more than a week before troops arrived in the north of the country." that must have been an awkward week < 1366246415 871714 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"American forces relieved the British a year later, although their country was still officially a non-belligerent. " this is so dumb. how is everything about this so dumb < 1366246429 510032 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British: 1 killed (suicide)" < 1366246494 864167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Much of the operational planning was conducted en route. The force was supplied with few maps, most of poor quality, with one of them having been drawn from memory. No one in the expedition was fully fluent in the Icelandic language" < 1366246508 152586 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woow < 1366246523 370498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tally ho men < 1366246554 160412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On 3 May 1940, the 2nd Royal Marine Battalion in Bisley, Surrey, received orders from London to be ready to move on two hours notice for an unknown destination. The battalion had only been activated the month before." is this even real < 1366246570 37422 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just send our least competent marines < 1366246573 561429 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to invade the country. < 1366246578 686614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1036s/shachaf: //' quotes < 1366246586 872192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1366246610 230791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no quote tampering < 1366246611 767028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1366246614 336295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete it if you want < 1366246614 530674 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1366246627 496364 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaha they sent a dispatch in plaintext so they all knew they were going to iceland despite it being super secret < 1366246654 776159 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the newly recruited marines committed suicide en route. The voyage was otherwise uneventful." < 1366246671 135833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are we sure this wasn't just an elaborate plan to get rid of the most useless team < 1366246693 755900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh yeah, you're going to a really remote place, uh... iceland. it's iceland. here's a map I drew" < 1366246721 262050 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they flew a recon plane over reykjavik before they landed < 1366246727 343974 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland had no planes at the time. STEALTH < 1366246765 358179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did iceland even have like < 1366246766 759947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything of use < 1366246769 943192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why were they invading < 1366246773 613379 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :björk < 1366246786 681532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the nazis invaded it elliott < 1366246787 995670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1366246798 225541 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncomfortable with the crowd, Consul Shepherd turned to the Icelandic police. "Would you mind ... getting the crowd to stand back a bit, so that the soldiers can get off the destroyer?" he asked. "Certainly," came the reply. < 1366246805 619428 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: phantom hoover's got it. < 1366246823 728445 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Iceland_Export_Treemap.jpg wooow < 1366246832 656362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: come on you have to know about cpos < 1366246835 870225 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One Icelander snatched a rifle from a marine and stuffed a cigarette in it. He then threw it back to the marine and told him to be careful with it. < 1366246839 761198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these treemaps are the best < 1366246844 295978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's amazing < 1366246845 382659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is cpos < 1366246851 684076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Phantom_Hoover has it right < 1366246857 802735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brits invaded iceland so the germans couldn't < 1366246865 916775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the icelanders were more or less fine with this, at least as I heard < 1366246866 712939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: complete partial orders!! < 1366246868 436556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :advanced military strategy there < 1366246882 377443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: aircraft, spaceships, and launch vehicles < 1366246889 84376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but why would the germans invade iceland. why would anyone invade iceland < 1366246892 663608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's EVE Online in this map < 1366246898 953002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's only physical products < 1366246899 512791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a few % of their economy < 1366246901 174661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1366246908 139435 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the germans invaded iceland they would use them as breeding stock for an army of aryan supermen < 1366246911 78165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd include, like, financial services and stuff I guess < 1366246912 758844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well they already invaded norway < 1366246914 191053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12% orthopedic appliances, including crutches...... < 1366246916 73407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which I imagine would be a lot less after 2008 <.< < 1366246919 672653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is iceland < 1366246923 10717 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the germans were just invading everything < 1366246929 725708 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why they don't export fish < 1366246930 33292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing a lot of the thihngs on that chart are literally like, one company < 1366246935 265176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because iceland is 300,000 people or so < 1366246935 459547 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the brits were all SHIT let's get in on this < 1366246941 446417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: fish are a big component of that chart... < 1366246943 111400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the top < 1366246944 569858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland is sort of the best < 1366246947 337292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a little toy company < 1366246948 314412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1366246950 466754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :toy country < 1366246952 372898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 iceland, I should go back < 1366246955 843404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same thing amirite) < 1366246956 405720 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1366246957 747810 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is apparently the only time iceland has been invaded by anything < 1366246964 370434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: this is how iceland became independent < 1366246967 802482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hahaha < 1366246971 500595 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was part of denmark but denmark got nazi'd < 1366246973 862347 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah. < 1366246975 237116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh man googling 'iceland' is always a good idea < 1366246976 246776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-17/in-iceland-an-app-to-warn-if-your-hookup-is-a-relative < 1366246979 499734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may need to buy a good laptop ASAP < 1366246985 11146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just get the feeling that everyone in iceland must be a really nice person < 1366246985 991608 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the iceland government was like "well, nvm that king dude, let's just chill on our own" < 1366246989 274404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how could you not be < 1366246989 686014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want recommendations? price range? < 1366247008 579262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want both recommendations and a price range plz < 1366247009 271275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lol wtf < 1366247015 665164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland is just like the most adorable country < 1366247017 191537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just buy the same model that I'm borrowing from Apex < 1366247017 991531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember asking for laptop recommendations in here < 1366247022 366883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody helped < 1366247022 597796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's incredible < 1366247031 970472 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The app includes an “incest-prevention alarm,” says Arnar Freyr Adalsteinsson, one of the developers. < 1366247039 11471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the idea of a country being so small you have to constantly worry about incest < 1366247058 27393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The app, called IslendingaApp—yes, Iceland App < 1366247064 291033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because iceland is too small to need more than one app < 1366247067 923448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only app you ever need in iceland < 1366247074 561800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs to be able to run Eclipse (or other good Java IDE, but at this point I'm used to Eclipse) smoothly, along with multiple Spring MVC applications and AngularJS pages < 1366247076 221315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1366247086 770198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The British forces began their operations in Reykjavík by posting a guard at the post office and attaching a flier to the door. The flier explained in broken Icelandic that British forces were occupying the city and asked for cooperation in dealing with local Germans. < 1366247096 226222 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good notification of invasion < 1366247100 511019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlpiri_people#Kinship < 1366247116 393637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's like uh < 1366247117 603969 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i love kinship systems < 1366247120 52453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god what was the guy < 1366247122 170056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy < 1366247122 462468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: the Warlpiri have a complicated notion of kinship which corresponds to the order 8 dihedral group < 1366247126 635144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who like got a gun < 1366247134 273237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and declared he was taking over like a small british island? he lived there < 1366247139 60021 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: beautiful < 1366247140 275397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a policeman came up to him and he was sitting on a bench < 1366247143 700720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asked him to put down the gun < 1366247145 95279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arrested him < 1366247147 67775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was how it ended < 1366247150 2138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have no idea what this says < 1366247155 211710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you know this < 1366247159 936451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i've seen kinship diagrams but... this isn't one < 1366247162 716028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a great story < 1366247166 890540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :found this by googling 'dihedral group incest' < 1366247170 233585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do know this actually < 1366247171 63356 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1366247171 397605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best search ever < 1366247175 612497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: great, find me a link < 1366247175 806116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot most of the details < 1366247190 724991 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this what they mean by group action < 1366247193 671994 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1366247200 522750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sark#One-person_invasion_attempt < 1366247202 592595 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i GIS'd "warlpiri kinship" and i got a bunch of matrices?? help < 1366247205 254017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: note to self: being a Warlpiri is way too much work < 1366247210 875546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recommended < 1366247216 411848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay everybody click Phantom_Hoover's link < 1366247223 217867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.callmedrrob.com/wp-content/uploads/Advanced/Warlpiri/MotherAndFather.jpg i'm sorry are those kets < 1366247227 260864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be disappointed < 1366247243 418008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/ReadingRoom/3.2/fig1.gif < 1366247258 625508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... < 1366247261 713721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's all fun and games until you shoot a cop < 1366247267 723535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he didn't live there < 1366247268 214462 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :television's hermeunetic circles < 1366247278 618323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, in this case he would then have shot all the cops < 1366247289 162507 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more cops would have to be flown in specially < 1366247290 148739 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Splitting the Atom of Kinship: Towards an understanding of the symbolic economy of the Warlpiri fire ceremony" < 1366247296 221421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/lost-world-the-last-days-of-feudal-sark-421545.html < 1366247300 873884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably has a better version of the same story < 1366247308 260295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an image of... something < 1366247318 116531 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366247320 848718 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366247324 135998 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i like how kinship is so crazy anthropologists just use series of letters < 1366247324 330720 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The eight subsections are interrelated in a pattern known in group theory as the order 8 dihedral group, D4." < 1366247327 858304 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@__@ < 1366247330 327153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1366247332 105800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say cousin you say father's sister's daughter < 1366247335 589963 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guys at sealand had these m60 brownings once < 1366247335 953339 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1366247336 147318 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1366247339 272069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like... FZD < 1366247341 500671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1366247345 994330 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1366247352 218316 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366247387 243874 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The U.S. Navy remained at Naval Air Station Keflavik until 2006." ????? < 1366247400 783628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Although the British action was to forestall any risk of a German invasion, none had been planned. However, after the British invasion, the Germans prepared a plan to intervene," < 1366247410 418668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366247416 806892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wait the brits want iceland??? it must be good" < 1366247434 94917 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it went about as well as operation sealion, which is the best naval invasion in history if you didn't know < 1366247434 288806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366247455 636407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm this is weird < 1366247500 375028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the deafening sound of no traffic - transport on Sark is restricted to tractors, bicycles and horse and cart < 1366247505 286947 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 40,000 US marines stationed in Iceland outnumbered all adult men in Iceland at the time." < 1366247507 451957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is even with sark < 1366247536 15352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The guns started to fire in the second week of August 1940 and were not silenced until September 1944. They caused 3,059 alerts, 216 civilian deaths, and damage to 10,056 premises in the Dover area and much damage to shipping – perhaps the worst direct consequences of the plan outside the Battle of Britain, and the only part that worked." < 1366247544 358996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay but why would the germans invade iceland. why would anyone invade iceland <-- for the same reason they invaded norway, lots of coast line with direct access to the atlantic. < 1366247552 228470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end of The Avenue there's a two-cell jail, more accustomed to holding tourists without a bed for the night than criminals. It is empty. There was a break-in at Sark's only jewellers, Rang, last summer, but it was all rather inept; the drunken offender left the island's voluntary policeman a series of clues, not least the string of jewels trailing back to his hotel. < 1366247553 229868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's named after a ladies' undergarment < 1366247554 969732 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was large-scale interaction between young Icelandic women and soldiers, which came to be known as Ástandið ("the condition" or "situation") in Icelandic. < 1366247559 670109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's weird < 1366247564 391016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys sark is literally a comedy < 1366247578 520442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you got to the part about going over the channel on barges with no air support, right < 1366247589 436875 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aslo excellent seafood < 1366247612 109248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was interesting how like, the air force was convinced they were not enough to defend an invasion, without naval superiority < 1366247635 559992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then like, ~2-3 years later, the exact opposite happened? < 1366247647 129977 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the air force just wanted more planes < 1366247655 571355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :At such moments, a Sarkee would be well within his rights to invoke the ancient statute book and sound the Clameur de Haro. An islander who feels he has been wronged or assaulted in some way can drop to one knee, throw his hat to the ground, recite the Lord's Prayer in Norman French and then say: "Haro, haro, haro! A mon aide mon Prince, on me fait tort!" (Help me, my prince, someone does me wrong). The assailant must immediately cease what he is do < 1366247662 578170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have been wonderful to see Dermot use the "Haro", but it was unlikely; the custom was last enacted in Sark in 1970, during a dispute over a garden wall. < 1366247668 889373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are not reading this article on sark........ why not............ < 1366247680 592939 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366247686 203437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make a good case elliott < 1366247694 898518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it I am laughing at work (no actually keep going) < 1366247698 408543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fuck's sake wikipedia why can you not just describe this kinship system in group-theoretic terms < 1366247732 765618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost like kinship systems are generally of more interest to anthropologists than mathematicians < 1366247736 76579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's D8 and a group action, it's not that hard < 1366247799 113381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Prince Charles, though, has slept at the Seigneurie - to avoid a diplomatic dispute between Jersey and Guernsey over where the prince should stay. < 1366247806 400852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god we have sark for important things like this < 1366247835 139330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The app, called IslendingaApp—yes, Iceland App <-- pretty sure that must mean icelander, not iceland < 1366247874 387525 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/9cda7793b750050b45a9dc69101c2179/tumblr_mkv4eaUvGF1qgcra2o1_500.gif internet < 1366247946 429925 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most recent [British invasion of Vietnam] – from 1945 to 1946 – saw the British fight a campaign for control of the country against communists, " it's a bit sad to see the news oversimplify these things < 1366247970 685533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things: literally every thing < 1366247993 478295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366248014 95235 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now onto sark < 1366248038 505199 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait they're literally feudal? < 1366248110 469044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2006 at least < 1366248127 89978 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its own set of laws based on Norman law" < 1366248165 263405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one needed further proof of the village atmosphere on Sark, one need only know that the last major uprising was instigated by Beaumont's mother, the Dame herself. In her old age (she died at 90), Mrs Hathaway pressed for battery-powered buggies to be permitted on the island for those without mobility. < 1366248170 266590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God, yes, there was almost a revolution over that," says the Seigneur. "She said she couldn't get around any more without one, but Chief Pleas were up in arms. I think they thought it was one step on the road to having cars." < 1366248187 964422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha the guy voted to sack himself < 1366248203 746704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good king < 1366248249 387175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how much can you afford to spend on your laptop? < 1366248255 243449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do you want it to be particularly small or something < 1366248289 66088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always been a fan of ThinkPads; the T series is the middle of the road, not too huge, reasonably powerful, not too expensive < 1366248302 436136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this literally happened because the barclay brothers decided that sark sucked < 1366248313 725985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the most important thing is to load it up with as much RAM as you can < 1366248334 9468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care about particularly small. Not sure how much I can afford. At the end of the week I _should_ have two weeks worth of money, but a good amount of that is supposed to go to regular living expenses < 1366248339 484349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess this too counts < 1366248339 679216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, picking a laptop depends a lot on what you need to do with it, I think < 1366248355 958028 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I picked mine based on weight and having-a-good-graphics-card < 1366248356 290989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: usually RAM is much much cheaper if you buy it from amazon or newegg and install it yourself (which is very easy, if it's something you haven't done) < 1366248373 161630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any thoughts on EliteBooks? < 1366248376 556769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I did kind of splurge <.< < 1366248378 373045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the X1 Carbon which unfortunately is an 'ultrabook' with soldered-on RAM, so you can't do that :/ < 1366248380 626536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what the Apex one is < 1366248386 83975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really like it overall < 1366248391 965533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses an NP9150
< 1366248411 983825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a lot of random crap labeled "ThinkPad" these days, so you can't take it as much as a mark of quality as used to be the case < 1366248419 432311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but certain machines are still very good < 1366248428 622071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow they have a seneschal < 1366248443 578892 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_space_bats oh my gosh < 1366248449 954762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good title < 1366248456 488639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using it to debunk the possibility of a successful Operation Sea Lion by saying the only way it could be successful was if alien space bats helped the Nazis." < 1366248472 294572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a "gaming laptop" type thing? < 1366248474 400442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know how much is arbitrary groupthink, but most of my peers think the only non-Apple laptop worth buying is a ThinkPad < 1366248474 594885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those worry me a lot < 1366248484 72674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are mainly programmer types < 1366248487 750809 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was about the lightest one I could find with reasonable specs < 1366248491 247381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in terms of how good they are at the actual laptop part) < 1366248494 30228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :primogeniture < 1366248495 863710 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious < 1366248500 388444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 1080p glossy screen, i7, 7970M < 1366248508 914033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah i know about alien space bats, kinkajou used to talk about 'em < 1366248512 406763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said this laptop has a screen and a keyboard and mouse plugged into it) < 1366248519 228652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I'm not one to talk really) < 1366248529 595761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p.s. it is also terrible I really need to buy a new computer) < 1366248536 34771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I think that the heavier ones tend to be better if you can deal with their weight? since they tend to have better cooling < 1366248550 426358 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I have a friend with an alienware laptop, she loves it, it's like 12 pounds or something though -_- < 1366248555 327059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taxes will go up because suddenly people will want to be paid for doing the island's work." < 1366248556 130788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I highly recommend the X1 Carbon if you want thin + light + good screen and are willing to pay for it < 1366248561 677244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has a higher resolution than the X230 or whatever) < 1366248570 816639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a good battery that charges very quickly < 1366248579 303325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well yeah < 1366248585 743950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but I mean, the same applies to desktops :P < 1366248594 575688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just really big laptops! and have great cooling < 1366248595 872535 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true XD but I guess one doesn't normally think of their weight too much < 1366248601 903742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but particularly poor btatery life and weight < 1366248605 831415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfffff < 1366248608 24968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEIGHT is only a factor for the WEAK < 1366248612 831987 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is weak
< 1366248618 949937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my UPS only lasts a few minutes < 1366248629 171526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to build a laptop: tie a keyboard and a monitor to a desktop with tape < 1366248635 44680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's servers all have a 12V battery inside, or so they say < 1366248637 555154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the Asus Zenbook U500VZ exist yet < 1366248639 352740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attach it to a battery power supply < 1366248641 204468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will it ever exist < 1366248655 735389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, this is because your japanese cartoons have made you PHYSIOLOGICALLY IMPOTENT < 1366248658 265242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is much more expensive than the ~700 that I saw around EliteBook < 1366248660 900514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://improveverywhere.com/2008/02/25/mobile-desktop/ < 1366248668 886469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is this science < 1366248672 389373 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366248694 952144 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some Sark residents have complained that the new system is not democratic and have compared the powers the new law granted to the Seneschal, an unelected member whose term the new law extended to the duration of his natural life," i see you're doing well with this democracy thing < 1366248698 485993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, imo yes < 1366248700 649379 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1366248701 268017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, I _need_ this laptop, on the other, I almost don't want to spend money on work < 1366248706 511451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy < 1366248708 395857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1366248709 395500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, can you get them to pay for it < 1366248713 276704 :monqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :mnoqy < 1366248716 154036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1366248718 719422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1366248722 900804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or because of a combination of lack of testosterone, size, lack of exercise, and um... okay that's about it but < 1366248723 95170 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone sent messages to the wrong nick < 1366248726 937062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1366248736 720464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hang on hang on hang on < 1366248740 632838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, yes, all these things are correlated < 1366248741 787659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are you implying it was me < 1366248742 981117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of testosterone caused by the animes (technical term) < 1366248743 175012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to fiora, she's beefy as hell < 1366248749 186564 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1366248750 170833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1366248755 153221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretty much < 1366248756 991734 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but whoever it was!!! watch out < 1366248757 324710 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she watched Angel Cop once and knocked out one of my teeth < 1366248761 249843 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;] < 1366248766 667159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what angel cop is <.< < 1366248770 266928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cablevision doesn't consider me a permanent employee, and Apex... well, they're not exactly just giving me this laptop and buying me a new one. < 1366248772 688253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: who was it ;] < 1366248781 422262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a typo, he means angle cop < 1366248786 865397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you not considered a permanent employee because you are employed by the recruitment firm instead < 1366248787 477434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, buying themselves a new one < 1366248796 286910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1366248798 437334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVpwJbLLivU you're missing out. < 1366248800 123237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1366248808 786574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ID card says "Consultant" < 1366248840 887806 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom hoover my bag is already like 7kg < 1366248873 494055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a lot of kgs < 1366248874 443505 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "bag" slang here < 1366248886 460516 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is it drugs < 1366248887 455820 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slang for "bag". < 1366248891 998203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bags are just one or more items on the ground. < 1366248892 585749 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag of...animes??? < 1366248898 98429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. it's a bag. it's purple. it contains a laptop and a bunch of other stuff < 1366248898 657792 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo. no. < 1366248899 350439 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bag of animes. < 1366248907 625796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag of amines? < 1366248909 131087 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"messenger bag" might be the technical term < 1366248909 463418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's me < 1366248912 18823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I've played Eternal-Lands. Should I pick it back up again? < 1366248920 859223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Anime < 1366248924 760960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is a messenger? < 1366248934 518071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate when i turn on my speakers < 1366248938 395175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a tab has been playing noise for hours < 1366248940 222119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without my knowledge < 1366248941 276965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366248946 227620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO that should be banned < 1366248946 421779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I kept getting perpetually dismayed by how long it would take to start doing magic < 1366248966 75437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS THE TAB < 1366248971 29063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when I was in SF i had a startup idea (I swear, they put something in the water) for a company that would sell ads that start playing 20 min after you open a tab < 1366248973 359905 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln have fewer tabs < 1366248982 327939 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln block all sources of tab music < 1366248993 50433 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln browser doesnt support music < 1366248996 730197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey have you considered moving to SF and working for a non web startup < 1366248996 925092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think that might get you lynched < 1366248998 119350 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln use gopher < 1366249004 411710 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln dont use computer < 1366249006 905222 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln dont exist < 1366249007 979455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there builds of Chromium that show a speaker icon in tabs that are playing sound? < 1366249019 719544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres an extension for it but im too lazy to install it < 1366249038 148648 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably takes more effort to complain than find an extension < 1366249046 314118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I once had an ad that beat that. < 1366249048 519777 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u know, like, emotionally < 1366249051 237642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it was the worst ad of all. < 1366249063 322819 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh which ad < 1366249066 633392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was some flash thing which sent cockroaches crawling all over the web page. < 1366249074 271971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here you won't have to compete with Chinese farming bots. Our farming bots are from all over the world, not only China. Just kidding." < 1366249083 34024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: it costs no emotional effort for me to complain < 1366249086 131034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're just bad at complaining < 1366249171 455230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heeelp i can't find the tab < 1366249175 122992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'll just keep making noise forever < 1366249178 831406 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close all tabs < 1366249182 352504 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you can attach event handling method listening to the righ webkit-audio property < 1366249192 305866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who should i work for in SF < 1366249196 536949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anywhere < 1366249201 595580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your criteria < 1366249204 995234 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: probably that takes more effort than getting the extension < 1366249213 696504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i have an audio-producing tab i want though < 1366249216 531962 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, considering elliott's tab count it probably takes more effort to search for it normally < 1366249229 924075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: work for me < 1366249231 638169 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.. on the other side it would be a nidce excursion to these fields < 1366249234 210029 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it shows an icon and then you can eliminate -most- tabs < 1366249247 502229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tabs are too small for the icon to show though < 1366249258 810395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still working at that web startup < 1366249264 221695 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it colors your tab stub and then you can < 1366249266 225313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1366249276 62345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got fired by quitting < 1366249277 716272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1366249284 496894 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Dark-Sky_Association huh, that's kinda cool < 1366249300 57769 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though… < 1366249301 401367 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366249310 684245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: makes me sad about the sky here ._. < 1366249312 613547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy's had enough of my shit < 1366249318 530325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see like. 10 stars on a good day .____> < 1366249326 559614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er, good night. but.) < 1366249326 753801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty dark out here < 1366249333 399871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sky is maroon here at night < 1366249338 186290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm shit at astronomy though < 1366249343 391289 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a bunch of dots? < 1366249347 410006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss the desert < 1366249350 549041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably terrible but at least it's just. pretty < 1366249363 809000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what happened there? < 1366249367 730298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last time I saw the milky way was when I visited some relatives out in the country a few years ago... < 1366249370 235947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the desert? < 1366249380 178930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've seen a proper sky ever < 1366249387 467615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i live in a sort of rural town < 1366249388 568795 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you kill somebody? < 1366249396 805830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the web startup < 1366249397 679967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the stars here are fairly visible, but clear nights are very rare < 1366249401 177674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the desert works too < 1366249436 724942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was pissed off all the time at work. one of my coworkers was super annoying and there were a few other major annoyances, and the rest of it was fine but there was nothing really awesome to keep me going < 1366249442 791977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a girl in london in my halls who was like "oh the sky here is so much clearer" < 1366249452 339570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sounds like #haskell. < 1366249454 832763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this is in the middle of the midlands conurbation < 1366249462 681569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yes maybe < 1366249463 452048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's my fault for mocking kmc's startup < 1366249469 78871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must have set it all off < 1366249471 405342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in london/from london/ < 1366249517 166994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not very good at getting along with people < 1366249522 904319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also this person is widely agreed to be annoying < 1366249534 514810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I'm not as good as others at getting past it < 1366249602 823401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry it didn't work out. :-( < 1366249641 875432 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that 'not getting along with people' is the same thing as 'being bad at tolerating toxic people'? < 1366249708 309305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is hardly the only example of not getting along with people < 1366249719 110120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in general, I hold grudges longer than I should, and don't give people enough slack < 1366249723 16698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that includes myself of course) < 1366249736 484873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1366249737 501190 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1366249738 27373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine < 1366249766 687647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine to move on if there was no particular reason to stay < 1366249767 543820 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wherever we find Americans we will kill them, but we don't have any connection with the Boston Explosions," Ihsan [a Taliban spokesperson] said. < 1366249788 673505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366249814 740004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the luxury to insist on being happy at work, which most people don't get < 1366249819 512595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i feel kind of guilty about using it, but oh well < 1366249847 562777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next thing I do will either be socially useful or will make mad cash that I can give away < 1366249862 663709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's sort of how I got fired, using my (genuine) unhappiness as leverage to get more money so I could give it away < 1366249865 648464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1366249875 603003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should write this coq thing for me < 1366249878 586779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will become rich and famous < 1366249897 492130 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... quite a way to be fired :( < 1366249901 333678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1366249943 124789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, I understand thier position, in an infant company you can't afford to spend infinite resources helping people get along < 1366249945 986051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did have the money though < 1366249949 780501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i promise to never fire you btw < 1366249953 833743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1366249962 477177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're distorting the free market!! < 1366249977 903390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free as in monoids < 1366249980 211470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well coq is french and they're basically communists < 1366249980 865510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1366249990 345916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i'm oversharing... stupid moderately priced scotch whisk[e]y < 1366250001 435979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are currently at 0.1 millisgeos < 1366250013 164197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've shared more about, say, my sex life than Sgeo has < 1366250017 703192 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez this isn't oversharing, you're allowed to talk about your life and how you feel < 1366250022 907047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, we wish < 1366250029 863998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, have you MET sgeo < 1366250035 295591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I missed a bunch of lurid sgeo-details < 1366250036 627769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I didn't mean sgeo, I meant kmc <.< < 1366250042 206648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: In a public logged channel? < 1366250044 679531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS I WAS KIDDING < 1366250052 912985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is Sgeo drunk all the time < 1366250055 556302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that explains it < 1366250062 815281 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it'd be kind of nice if there was more of this. like. feelings. and stuff. < 1366250077 442252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 Phantom_Hoover diagnores Fiora with more anime-related diseases < 1366250084 715869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :engaging feelings module.... [ ok ] < 1366250089 323716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :insmod feelings.ko < 1366250121 382659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still hard to read that not as 'amine' < 1366250121 577522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think you just won the Making It About Programming prize < 1366250152 273835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc just /kmc/ < 1366250154 457506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wonderful okay < 1366250161 875571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks I think :) < 1366250171 655217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think irc needs real italics < 1366250173 869204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpg -ea feelings.ko < 1366250178 34231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do bold but have to resort to // for italicisation, truly awful < 1366250190 428258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um your terminal is the messed up one < 1366250199 116702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey do *you* know about cpos < 1366250205 160691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i know about cops... < 1366250205 936513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366250206 863395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpos < 1366250207 675378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366250220 987405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is always on the lookout for cops (the joke is drugs) < 1366250234 169015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never been arrested
< 1366250247 815840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it's working < 1366250253 286656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much have I talked about my sex life < 1366250255 785688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much, I think < 1366250258 552204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is drinking 220 proof whiskey < 1366250267 65203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe more than other people, but < 1366250270 504939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :illegal in massachusetts < 1366250278 445451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :O < 1366250317 282529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no one else has talked about it more than you, hth < 1366250354 261166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we count the kt-at saga in this < 1366250357 103841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about yours, that is) < 1366250421 773197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have I asked you whether you know about cpos yet < 1366250430 245464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even count as sex life? Does it count as sex life if there's no sex, never has been sex, etc? < 1366250473 787626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's kt-at < 1366250499 342844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit there has to be someone who knows about cpos < 1366250504 334902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin?!?!?! ais523?! < 1366250504 529001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #cpos < 1366250538 170931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know very much about cpos "sry" < 1366250558 570571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you considered asking conal < 1366250566 281524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet conal knows things?? < 1366250608 65834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a girk < 1366250609 431986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :girl < 1366250610 335053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :question has to be world-shattering to ask conal it < 1366250621 953215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conal more like coolnal because he's cool < 1366250633 47752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool as a cone < 1366250641 373323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a cocone < 1366250649 176785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocoa-coated cocones < 1366250654 601704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there really is such a thing as a cocone in category theory, hth < 1366250657 620670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kno < 1366250665 954967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'thats the joke'.xbm < 1366250688 234261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'that'\''s the joke'.xpm < 1366250694 782199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like cocaine right < 1366250699 845374 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a category theorist named caine < 1366250701 453825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the\ joke\ is\ drugs\ again.htm < 1366250709 471142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'that'"'"'s the joke'.xbm < 1366250714 799643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the best quoting < 1366250747 528952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$'that\x27s the joke' < 1366250755 163092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: imo it counts < 1366250766 6974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about web development is that there are so many kinds of quoting to choose from < 1366250768 524271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the party in Sgeo's pants < 1366250771 198076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each shittier than the rest < 1366250783 1798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a party in my pants and invites will be strictly rationed based on Klout score < 1366250786 331914 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's like russian roulette except there are n-1 bullets < 1366250793 996255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah < 1366250837 400556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian roulette with n+1 bullets < 1366250837 854406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf churchill won a nobel prize in literature < 1366250839 248168 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovered that the original SimCity was released as F/OSS (under the name "Micropolis") < 1366250848 155684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shortly after, discovered that the original SimCity was sort of a shitty game. < 1366250858 37897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian roulette with ε₀ bullets < 1366250859 351396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as shitty as the new one amirite < 1366250859 546025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what are you doing voiced < 1366250864 796527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is drugs) < 1366250875 306831 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Fear not my voice, voiceless peon. < 1366250880 113457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know anything about inaccessible cardinals < 1366250889 483850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no ask lexande < 1366250901 845461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande never seems to want to talk about them < 1366250903 714828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lexande know about cpos < 1366250909 8562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i'm clueless and don't even know the right questions to ask < 1366250910 30818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ε₀ is an inaccessible cardinal? 'not my department' < 1366250910 225270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that's what they are when they're picking a new pope right < 1366250913 239590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: quite possibly < 1366250918 456056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: too late for that joke sorry < 1366250925 460822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#popejokes < 1366250925 655796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande knows a lot of things < 1366250936 448107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey remember when lexande was in this channel? < 1366250937 820025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1366250939 292744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366250950 517002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs lexande < 1366250973 44540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did churchill win that < 1366250993 666518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31089 < 1366250994 732246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was no nobel prize in killing nazis < 1366251010 590108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe there should be a nobel copeace prize < 1366251019 594134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run time true < 1366251020 810108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ real 0m0.001s \ user 0m0.000s \ sys 0m0.000s < 1366251065 797436 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know nothing < 1366251069 196992 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kn0thing? < 1366251076 666004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :knoþing < 1366251080 125566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: so does pumpkin know about cpos then < 1366251081 193050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: you know kn0thing? < 1366251086 955431 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kn0 < 1366251089 262788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is kno where < 1366251118 375291 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1366251139 397752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure cpos even exist................ < 1366251142 83085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: well you're useless then < 1366251146 434846 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agre < 1366251155 319774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do you know about cpos < 1366251157 971603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo copumpkin is not useless < 1366251164 967755 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I useful for? < 1366251165 255487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :couseful < 1366251171 914328 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :( < 1366251188 645453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin is one of the best people in this channel < 1366251194 932667 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :) < 1366251196 987504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the cpo of being a good person < 1366251243 395557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: does cpoumpking know about cpos < 1366251347 283132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i guess ε₀ is an inaccessible cardinal? 'not my department' <-- no < 1366251366 20731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it's an ordinal < 1366251368 692076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one < 1366251380 302429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aim high with your statements, kmc < 1366251390 864459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am 60% confident ε₀ is two unicode codepoints < 1366251391 59000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ε₀ isn't inaccessible is it???? < 1366251398 336726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what oerjan said < 1366251403 912760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you missed the 20 invisible zero-width non joiners I put in there < 1366251408 190305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaccessible_Island < 1366251426 737648 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian closed CPO C³PO < 1366251481 815871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1366251490 785000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know that part of the atlantic like, had islands at all < 1366251500 341365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part? < 1366251515 912823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh copumpkin's link < 1366251524 971442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the most remote part < 1366251532 494678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No land mammals, reptiles, amphibians, butterflies, or snails have recently been found at Inaccessible." < 1366251557 439015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna hear a fun Darwin fact? < 1366251575 61747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the Beagle they went over to some rock in the middle of the Atlantic and looked all the birds there. No moss or anything. < 1366251582 761937 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1366251589 151060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin commented that the birds were stupid and he could have killed as many as he wanted with his hammer. < 1366251601 61521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366251676 582828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouvet island also seems to be quite the middle of nowhere < 1366251689 934389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it's less accessible than Inaccessible < 1366251693 306953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Both are of a tame and stupid disposition, and are so unaccustomed to visitors, that I could have killed any number of them with my geological hammer." < 1366251707 449356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Inaccessible Island is where we banish all the developers who don't write accessible software < 1366251723 781582 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://honeymooney.com/world/logbook/images/65-St_Paul_rocks.jpg Kind of shitty as islands go, I think. < 1366251725 115832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE GUAVA < 1366251750 24539 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocean ridges are kind of amazing < 1366251757 212968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no turn unstoned < 1366251760 112818 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a good song < 1366251768 249402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo continues to be weird, meanwhile my favourite island is rockall < 1366251781 196030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only due to the slight phonetic similarity with 'fuck all' < 1366251782 123078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guava is a library for Java < 1366251792 858488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of things like an option type, a bidirectional map < 1366251801 584533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The latter of which I just looked for, and found in Guava) < 1366251808 35814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It is the only location on Atlantic Ocean where the abyssal mantle is exposed above sea level" oh, that's kinda cool. < 1366251821 678458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have a mosh feature request < 1366251831 32070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :show a random number of asterisks as you type your password < 1366251841 817116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't expect to see no feedback as i type it and instead type it into an untrusted window instead < 1366251849 30953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess that's ssh's fault < 1366251853 599347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mosh doesn't have you type your password, it's -- yes. < 1366251862 750687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ssh feature request but kmc should implement it < 1366251865 912701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll pay him to < 1366251866 177759 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abyssal mantle? < 1366251870 715305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus solving all our problems < 1366251872 843721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, if mosh doesn't have you type a password, then... huh? < 1366251873 281304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could use ssh-agent... < 1366251875 803029 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :abysmal mantle < 1366251879 419611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Mosh require a key? < 1366251890 667235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently http://dungeonoverlord.wikia.com/wiki/Abyssal_Mantle < 1366251893 435864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh-client and mosh-server use a secret key to communicate, yes. < 1366251895 76208 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It's an uplift from the mid-atlantic ridge iirc < 1366251897 191342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I forget why I stopped using ssh-agent < 1366251904 855831 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "if i understand correctly", more like < 1366251916 28771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1366251918 691713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1366251930 702460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, most of the islands in that area aren't actual uplifts, but like, magma collecting or something? < 1366251942 817086 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Darwin was correct in noting that, unusually, these small islands were not volcanic, but were instead formed by a geologic uplift." < 1366251965 519818 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Abyss of course is what you call the ocean floor < 1366251979 13437 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's usually like... a plain... < 1366251987 141643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how... how does that even like work @_@ how does the ocean floor end up that high < 1366251996 780616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the mantle was... something else < 1366252008 403216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something hotter < 1366252023 577483 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : isnt it even higher in the himalaya? < 1366252041 131437 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's continental crust though isn't it? < 1366252045 166859 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's different or something < 1366252062 616241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the mid-atlantic ridge is the mantle poking up through the gap in the plates, so to speak. < 1366252066 165600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secretest key < 1366252067 39033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all ocean in the end < 1366252080 351779 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parts of it was ocean floor too.. don't remember the exact height range < 1366252083 811624 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The islets are made out of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpentinite < 1366252087 13046 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mantle rock. < 1366252093 282316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the 'mosh' wrapper script uses ssh to launch a mosh-server on the remote host, then launches a mosh-client locally with the same private key (communicated over ssh) < 1366252093 922654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"serpentization" < 1366252109 29695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool rock imo < 1366252114 615238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good because it means Mosh itself doesn't need to do user authentication, it accept all auth methods supported by SSH, and it also doesn't need to do any public-key crypto < 1366252124 552647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serpentinite has a significant amount of bound water, hence it contains abundant hydrogen atoms able to slow down neutrons by elastic collision (neutron thermalization process). Because of this serpentinite can be used as dry filler inside steel jackets in some designs of nuclear reactors." O_O < 1366252128 234005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not even part of the ridge, it's uh... < 1366252132 699783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An oceanic core complex (OCC), or megamullion, is a seabed geologic feature that forms a long ridge perpendicular to a mid-ocean ridge." < 1366252133 421920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you don't need to install mosh as root < 1366252136 848655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just run it out of your homedir < 1366252149 123508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: pre-watered rock. i like it < 1366252167 308109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amotoki_ASPSP_Megamullion_En.jpg ah, here's a geologic map of the area < 1366252212 512539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watery rock is common, thoug < 1366252213 670049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1366252223 111371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godzilla Mullion, part of the Parece Vela Rift in the Western Pacific Ocean between Japan and the Philippines was discovered in 2001. It is about 150 km long, about as large as the State of Delaware, and is the largest Ocean Core Complex in the world. < 1366252232 706977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc at the bottom of the kola borehole there was loads of it < 1366252235 60669 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly hydrologic geologists are having fun with names < 1366252250 774899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see, like, "common" -> "at the bottom of the deepest hole ever built" < 1366252263 797225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's commoner than that! < 1366252270 215606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chalk is hydrated isn't it < 1366252287 447791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1366252360 175293 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, like, silicate perovskites make up most of the earth, they're super common < 1366252368 887297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're only present deeper than 650km XP < 1366252374 841768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also stuff like solid solutions which are interesting < 1366252380 1113 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, common, but hard to get < 1366252389 759714 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i like how the article goes from inuit carvings to reactor shielding < 1366252397 423974 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also diamond anvil cells are so cool < 1366252410 609905 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Serpentinite_Walrus_2012.jpg frankly this is more impressive. it's a very impressive walrus < 1366252423 145436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366252425 173302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this hard cider tastes like caramel < 1366252426 670979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: related: do you know of a good way to use/remember/whatever secure passwords < 1366252433 349813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool bordering on disturbing < 1366252440 944770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: secure in what sense < 1366252455 279284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change my password scheme. < 1366252456 112308 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck, plants grow in dirt made of serpentine rocks < 1366252480 561084 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike most ecosystems, in serpentine barrens there is less plant growth closer to a stream, due to toxic minerals in the water." < 1366252488 715053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1366252489 445935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good question < 1366252495 478529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life finds a way Bike < 1366252496 618042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I believe I am paying you to know the answer better than I do < 1366252505 956371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: plz send bitcoins < 1366252518 244305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay $$$$$$ < 1366252519 406308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shoot < 1366252527 786138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like the spookiest ecology thing I've heard of since devil's gardens. < 1366252531 22827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm already 60 days past payment due on this weapons grade plutonium < 1366252542 321310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are those gardens run by the devil himself < 1366252550 704742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok but seriously what do you mean by secure in what sense < 1366252559 592155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what about the fungus growing inside the Chernobyl plant that metabolizes gamma radiation < 1366252562 829288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus < 1366252572 890235 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're stands of trees where a particular kind of ant goes around killing all plants that aren't one particular species of tree the ant lives in. < 1366252573 897270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life finds a way < 1366252596 838534 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they're in the Amazon, which is kind of really diverse, so it must be spooky. < 1366252601 647630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black molds and revelations < 1366252626 751154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are so amazing *_* < 1366252629 145630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duuuude I'm going to have some fresh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hericium_erinaceus to eat soon < 1366252642 496240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :life will find a way... to kill (this summer) < 1366252647 963870 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story about how they got the first photos of the "elephant's foot" in the reactor sarcophagus is terrifying though < 1366252666 647534 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what else is terrifying? "reactor sarcophagus" < 1366252667 7835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmc < 1366252680 62142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like. radiation so strong they had to take pictures of it -using a robot- around a mirror or something < 1366252696 434091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because like, the radiation would knock out the robot < 1366252707 570969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor robot < 1366252720 208364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what is this about elephants < 1366252728 385409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wikipedia link to i have to click to understand what Fiora is going on about < 1366252738 64308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo475gICWF1qcjl1to1_1280.gif < 1366252750 110339 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is that. < 1366252753 571402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wikipedia.org.tumblr.com < 1366252779 619296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://duckduckgrayduck.com/2012/06/06/if-you-were-to-look-at-this-in-person-you-would-die-instantly/ < 1366252781 60696 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Podzol.jpg "hm, how can i spice up this photograph of dirt" < 1366252783 94613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)#Chernobyl_accident < 1366252795 62521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They had to treat this blob like a real Medusa. The original wheeled camera they sent up to take pictures was destroyed by the radiation. " < 1366252797 77811 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lava flows < 1366252800 427248 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh < 1366252807 925344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Corium" aka "bulk material made from a melted reactor core" < 1366252808 785212 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "corium" < 1366252808 979819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1366252811 501975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah @_@ < 1366252822 770918 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: reminds me of that american accident where the reactor jumped ten feet or whatever < 1366252861 507985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the corpse recovery operation < 1366252864 526682 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to take a sample of the corium in chernobyl but they couldn't find a way to chip a piece off < 1366252868 97001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they shot it with an ak-47 < 1366252876 365572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha \rainbow{RUSSIA} < 1366252924 978575 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lava-like fuel containing material" i think this is actually a more terrifying name than "corium" < 1366252957 260664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded that he lives a few blocks from one of the only remaining HEU reactors in the US
< 1366252963 92585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Corium (and also highly irradiated uranium fuel) has an interesting property: spontaneous dust generation, or spontaneous self-sputtering of the surface. The alpha decay of isotopes inside the glassy structure causes Coulomb explosions, degrading the material and releasing submicron particles from its surface." < 1366252968 648321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_______@ < 1366252968 843395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1366252969 987733 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it literally makes its own dust < 1366252970 182060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1366252983 16040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how....... did they even discover that < 1366253004 18882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait how did they get the mirror there < 1366253010 369289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The corium undergoes degradation. The Elephant's Foot, hard and strong shortly after its formation, is now cracked enough that a glue-treated wad easily separated its top 1–2 centimeter layer." < 1366253010 701424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot. < 1366253011 778503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really like you can get within a hallway of it < 1366253014 173013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1366253017 459755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was worried it was like < 1366253019 101049 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they could like < 1366253020 770732 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on the end of a pole < 1366253023 105765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn the corner AUUUUUUAUAUAUAUAAUUGH [drops dead] < 1366253037 889124 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm wondering is whether the mirror reflects radiation < 1366253038 764188 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the may attached it to the robot < 1366253039 282741 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how you put in those really high ceiling lights < 1366253047 157398 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think reflecting gamma and x-ray is kind of tricky < 1366253059 321776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey how is fukushima these days < 1366253062 105975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you could reflect them that easily you wouldn't need shielding...? < 1366253078 777172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_optics < 1366253081 783248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1366253099 16539 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how is radiation reflected with mirrors? does it only work for gamma-ray`? < 1366253128 723112 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: see that just makes me imagine a reactor made out of mirrors and then when it fails the mirrors all break apart and all the radiation shoots out everywhere and um < 1366253160 22414 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called a bomb < 1366253262 533603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10,000 rem per hour" @___@ < 1366253302 163929 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that enough to literally vaporize you < 1366253321 979382 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh nevermind that was like. 20 years later. oh gosh it must have been insane right after < 1366253323 838906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It consists of nuclear fuel, fission products, control rods, structural materials from the affected parts of the reactor, products of their chemical reaction with air, water and steam, and, in case the reactor vessel is breached, molten concrete from the floor of the reactor room. < 1366253333 205659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most hardcore material < 1366253451 66719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :30,000 rem per hour @___@ < 1366253470 767985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all melted together with some potato and onion < 1366253478 109374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366253551 400205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chernobyl_lava_flow.jpg < 1366253556 383063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear cooking! < 1366253566 744840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my drunk, radioactive kitchen < 1366253577 440118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a little bit of U-238, some Pu-239... maybe a bit of U-234 and Sr-90... < 1366253581 794607 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's finest yellow cake < 1366253584 191502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a daassshhh of Americium < 1366253603 157894 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's nice to know humans can just make lava < 1366253637 648732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just" < 1366253645 726786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all we have to do is build a gigantic fucking nuclear reactor and have it blow up < 1366253669 648421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Duncan-Hines-Classic-Yellow-Layer/dp/B0002IMS5K < 1366253677 521529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prank idea: do that somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Antarctica, wait for people to find it < 1366253688 592130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the conspiracy theories and laugh < 1366253691 108994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obviously, the price is right -- so that's 1 star right there. And the convenience of super-saver delivery spares me I don't even know how many trips to Niger. That's another star. However, try as I might, I could never get this stuff to enrich to fully weapons-grade." < 1366253705 504589 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366253756 527674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are a lot of radioisotope plants in the arctic circle < 1366253779 986105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but have any of them blown up < 1366253788 744669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi mnoqy < 1366253797 863443 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachdf < 1366253800 594104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THey don't really "blow up", but people rob materials from them sometimes < 1366253811 70181 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good business decision, robbing radioactive rock < 1366253878 398684 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the half-lives are only like ninety years though, not enough for a good conspiracy < 1366253910 110837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you could, like, intentionally enrich some materials so it looked like they had been decaying for 6000 years or something? < 1366253923 191603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then like, hide it in an egyptian tomb < 1366253938 59377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366253949 16574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are those natural reactors near the african fault aren't there < 1366253957 108576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I'm thinking like you build a massive eerie nuclear reactor complex < 1366253961 913164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklooooooo < 1366253962 975117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antarctica is pretty big so this should be easy < 1366253966 588747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is kind of amazing < 1366253968 535441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe make it look as old as possible < 1366253970 86908 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is best done with martian rock samples. < 1366253976 353274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put some scary warnings (maybe in languages that don't exist???) < 1366253981 818769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with awful safety practices < 1366253995 780292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just set the whole meltdown off and make it look as if there was a hasty evacuation and lots of panic and stuff < 1366253999 788187 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if the spirits begin to eat, insert these rods" < 1366253999 983021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you wait < 1366254003 429343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1366254011 785491 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was supposed to be "heat" but that works too < 1366254027 287066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what I'm saying is < 1366254034 198881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get to work on producing real-life SCPs please?? < 1366254063 708298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1366254153 190231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen the work about making warnings for nuclear waste storage facilities < 1366254160 76127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will still be understood 10,000 years from now < 1366254185 244787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366254186 772970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that shit < 1366254189 403746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it a lot < 1366254196 101608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was a fanclub for it I would join it < 1366254205 865763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet they have pictures of humans on them < 1366254207 964508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :speciests < 1366254209 313794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also consider: using some of the demonstration images as album covers < 1366254213 336050 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one of my favorite ancient ones is the weather drones < 1366254213 550665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it starts by describing how these things that look like fairly normal 1980s aerial survey drones go around the earth broadcasting signals < 1366254213 743966 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mentions that they were first found in the 1910s < 1366254234 958494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1366254245 478893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i DEFINITELY NEED TO BE DOING is reading scps at 4 am < 1366254260 656693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i liked the one with the chord that would destroy the world despite it not making any sense < 1366254265 931610 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it's pretty fucking hard to predict language and cultural change, as evidenced by oracle bone script < 1366254269 660394 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha yeah < 1366254270 405814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where they extincted a whale species because it made one of the frequencies < 1366254278 140324 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were probably jerks anyway < 1366254293 806751 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kqjdshfhmwoikgst QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366254304 569582 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course there's that other SCP where they commit actual genocide so they don't give a damn aboutu ethics < 1366254311 89154 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not really "into" scps but hsould i be? < 1366254314 261556 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366254332 372761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: imo some of them are pretty great < 1366254342 550133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others are good, but then there are all the mediocre-to-bad ones < 1366254357 69198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few of the joke ones are really wonderful too < 1366254371 344087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked a few of the joke ones but i've forgotten them < 1366254380 208120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: have you seen sam hughes' one. that one is "well-liked" < 1366254391 388741 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh idk < 1366254393 436772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sam hughes are we talkin' here < 1366254393 630363 :[mbm]!~mbm@openwrt/developer/mbm JOIN :#esoteric < 1366254398 920171 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive read like one ever and i forget what it was even about < 1366254399 527041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1638-j < 1366254406 673042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055 < 1366254412 160724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes as in qntm.org sam hughes < 1366254412 637569 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the ones that are really meta, like, the SCP itself is written in a style related to the SCP < 1366254413 489619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's the evil one "ie qntm" < 1366254446 652303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp-055 isn't really creepy tho, but it has what we in the biz call a "good concept" < 1366254466 162380 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the vending machine that serves random things. < 1366254470 947591 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from like, all kinds of parallel realities < 1366254495 422142 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :five (5) by five (5) by two point five (2.5) < 1366254496 993697 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far so good < 1366254520 913673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you can't break the style!! < 1366254555 84013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best ones all work by the tedious writing style and illogical ordering (whereby you get the containment procedures before learning what it is) make the nature of it dawn on you slowly < 1366254574 887368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha, 55 was qntm? < 1366254579 474879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366254625 204960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the way the description is unsigned. < 1366254656 842467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is SCP < 1366254668 322535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: its a disease < 1366254670 153713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a drug? < 1366254674 448364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either like HIV or LSD < 1366254692 91042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both? < 1366254700 427435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decide < 1366254727 948581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i should keep links to good scps so i can link people who ask about them...... unfortunately i haven't done so < 1366254746 808188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 is one of my favourites < 1366254750 536424 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enumerate every scp < 1366254763 882072 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just go through them all < 1366254775 714375 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe use "rating" as a huerusitc < 1366254778 674439 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to order yr search' < 1366254801 293837 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop looking after they consistently turn to 100%mediocre, then start again at the bottom for the crap ones and work back up < 1366254806 699866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even sure you can order them by rating < 1366254811 597382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy: hi < 1366254819 439152 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you list them all you can write down their ratings and then order them < 1366254856 307547 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo a plan < 1366254898 353466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaybe............ < 1366254908 700593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quarter tempting b/c i'd get to read all the good ones < 1366254922 909014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¾ not tempting because i'd have to read a lot < 1366254930 694506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you do it < 1366254969 47057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¾ is a lot of ¼s < 1366255061 84922 :pdurbin!~pdurbin@server1.greptilian.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366255200 691035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you seen the film "the court jester" < 1366255205 565157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1366255210 330512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1366255220 853633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i < 1366255235 34820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like "that kind of thing" < 1366255237 865378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoyed it < 1366255337 746946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who like this sort of thing will find it just the sort of thing they like? < 1366255355 272176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1366255394 525681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i heard a good definition the other day < 1366255402 262429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust: the condition necessary for betrayal < 1366255448 904276 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1366255476 532996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1366255522 838873 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1366255576 50799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true < 1366255591 695975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin knows ""what's up"" < 1366255664 878746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, except that the vessel with the pestle holds the pellet with the poison. The flagon with the dragon holds the brew that is true.) < 1366255697 753617 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN < 1366255749 551480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless I mixed it up.) < 1366255751 549039 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just drank from the vessl with the pestle, thinking it held the brew that is true. I should have taken from the flagon with the dragon I guess, and now I shall meet my end from the pellet with the poison :( it was nice knowing you < 1366255782 471763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE pdurbin < 1366255785 998949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :PdUrBiN: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1366255846 901127 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way to find out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84 < 1366255851 312461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry but pellet does not rhyme with poison hth < 1366255870 613476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not meant to rhyme just to alliterate hth < 1366255883 928613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pdurbin < 1366255890 685518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others rhyme hth < 1366255896 623862 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the chalice from the palace fit in? < 1366255903 259846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken hth < 1366255915 131568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that one doesn't hth < 1366255968 609039 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366255980 380788 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you need the disclaimer about irc.dal.net http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23esoteric&net=DALnet < 1366255993 984366 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIWcCvQNqQ < 1366256058 787812 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1366256093 19842 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's angela < 1366256095 59727 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot she was in this < 1366256185 358737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Oh, I got it wrong. < 1366256195 799952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow they moved the poison. < 1366256205 711827 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when they do that < 1366256400 498296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read that one story yet < 1366256405 297438 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366256407 208121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably stop bugging you about it < 1366256609 697927 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1366256613 40324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get to it eventually < 1366256620 600204 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not if you stop bugging me about it < 1366256625 744241 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1366256635 97194 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it is a tab that's still open < 1366256648 140635 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually get to those eventually cause I get sick of having a bunch of them open < 1366256665 50207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get sick of having a bunch of tabs open so I bookmark them all and then close them. < 1366256668 960453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I never look at them again. < 1366256670 616990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366256675 283008 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1366256686 300421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes I do get to them.) < 1366256705 986800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a tab open for my five dola? < 1366256728 704784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is "tab" < 1366256754 178619 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1366256754 807549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1366256756 535080 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1366256801 969521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: come on now you're stretching it < 1366256863 180147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/.$/ Except that's mostly dead, alas.\1/' wisdom/welcome < 1366256864 438138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1366256896 559027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/.$/ Except that'\''s mostly dead, alas.\1/' wisdom/welcome < 1366256898 119921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 41: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS < 1366256904 639091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1366256906 185622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you go and visit it < 1366256915 678216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um no? < 1366256924 287981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been there. < 1366256936 773181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um oerjan < 1366256939 686439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't change `welcome < 1366256957 242650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then how do you know it's dead < 1366256965 439254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true mysterys of the universe < 1366256966 933102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesthiswork's link? < 1366256979 145632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1366257059 687982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my neighbor from down the street talked about how in the time he's lived there two people have been shot in front of where he lives < 1366257066 116250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone tried to break in with a crowbar < 1366257073 272862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while he was at home) < 1366257119 900742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion, don't live in epa?? < 1366257241 49559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1366257248 847496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did the people get shot < 1366257389 546264 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhaywatboarglxwb JOIN :#esoteric < 1366257549 660696 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366257601 613459 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gshojyeecydaotiy QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366257662 991206 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhaywatboarglxwb QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366257664 399012 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ufxzjabasbjkszyq JOIN :#esoteric < 1366257753 610358 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1366257754 746205 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wordpsjfyjowmmbr JOIN :#esoteric < 1366258281 673433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssss the Pleurotus pulmonarius culture is pinning < 1366258308 98604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phoenix oyster mushroom < 1366258359 152717 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: kmc likes psychotropic shrooms. < 1366258387 300321 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"phoenix oyster"? < 1366258399 520336 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what do you think of idris? < 1366258420 16685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: promising < 1366258427 659651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ready from general-purpose programming from my experiments < 1366258430 401201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially error messages are bad < 1366258445 579321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work making it better is time well-spent < 1366258463 16789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't considering making it work better < 1366258466 714506 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :got enough distractions already < 1366258512 652358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not psychotropic... < 1366258519 856128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tasty edible mushroom < 1366258539 59772 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- makes shit up < 1366258541 130964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleurotus_pulmonarius < 1366258627 447192 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366258643 409548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry kmc < 1366258646 947885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything to do with you is drugs < 1366258660 374835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( im typecast < 1366258664 351817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows that's the only reason you'd know the word "bitcoins". < 1366258668 54503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(int) kmc < 1366258759 611788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Pleurotus_pulmonarius_LC0228.jpg < 1366258866 916936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :saprotroph < 1366258885 641030 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "sapphotroph", was mortified < 1366258895 57704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1366258954 33665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn sapphotroph < 1366258954 754161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "sapphotroph". < 1366258964 1872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would mean "lesbian-eater" < 1366258970 204381 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to "death eater" which is totally fine obv. < 1366259093 540192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym "lesbian food" hth < 1366259125 999525 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1366259222 953115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Mycomorphbox < 1366259744 442184 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it accurate to all idris agda less the suck < 1366259833 54501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't know < 1366259888 500818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if you want to be oversimplifying and inaccurate, sure. (like all definitions like that are.) < 1366259893 182131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda is far more usable today than idris < 1366259898 492500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the two languages have different goals < 1366259904 120649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinterpret_cast(kmc) < 1366259904 445171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see them as in competition at all < 1366259909 404309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366260150 620059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have i been reinterpreted < 1366260168 144713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're a c++ programmer hth < 1366260181 104333 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a character!! or something < 1366260242 339438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been known to program in C++ "from time to time" < 1366260266 9840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: twist: kmc isn't a character, just an 8-bit value < 1366260273 891152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a pointer to one < 1366260276 573016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed or unsigned? < 1366260280 25922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366260486 69589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1366260535 247567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can I pay you to do cpos yet < 1366260538 810016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366260565 940538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you making this difficult kmc < 1366260594 754118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no need! < 1366260657 806282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :balls < 1366260676 104927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BALLS OF STEEL < 1366260700 814279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :balls of radius 1 < 1366260711 591614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok Bike. it's your turn < 1366260713 785742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta do the cpos < 1366260774 863330 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cpos again < 1366260811 932474 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete partial orders < 1366260819 23277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366260856 984282 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set is such a wonderful math game < 1366260864 610019 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about adding up vectors in ZZ_3^4! < 1366260892 467655 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do i gotta do < 1366260922 611222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what the cpo of cpos is (does it exist?? I hear it does) and fix the coq problem that stops me defining it < 1366260967 97719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "use ur brain" how can they be complete and partial at the same time < 1366260986 117050 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have any reason to believe that it's unique? < 1366260989 887596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike doesn't have a brain. he's a bicycle < 1366260991 425185 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear how many people is elliott bugging about this < 1366260995 607796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: fucking everyone < 1366261007 669404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: he even bugged me......................................... < 1366261022 176563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well you can use a trivial relation always < 1366261024 193583 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried the mathematicians who actually "do" order theory < 1366261024 956529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean a sensible one < 1366261030 901337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you don't understand < 1366261033 937439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more someone knows < 1366261037 704201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more embarrassing it is to ask questions < 1366261041 428692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially simple ones! < 1366261047 395801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you ask a number theorist what 2 + 2 is < 1366261053 293497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1366261054 455049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would < 1366261060 294443 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ask everyone that < 1366261073 317725 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a number theorist would understand most why i ask < 1366261074 435845 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1366261083 286088 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea < 1366261086 112125 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know someone who could answer this more effectively than me i'd be happy to ask a stupid-ass question for you. < 1366261098 187114 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here has actually played Set? < 1366261098 380751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call up dana scott < 1366261113 659522 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you want this anyway < 1366261123 564536 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ##math (i've heard things about ##math (not really actually.....)) < 1366261127 347361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i was in the same room as dana scott once < 1366261134 41209 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of dana scott < 1366261140 461991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does that make me famous" < 1366261145 997214 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may or may not have read a thing by dana scott < 1366261150 417373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: denotational semantics < 1366261162 403955 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need it for denotational semantics < 1366261167 656956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Dana Scott is smart enough that asking him any question whatsoever would be embarrassing < 1366261167 851042 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym you need it for goofin around < 1366261175 652236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I want the denotational semantics for goofing around < 1366261183 53894 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1366261184 454325 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsh denotational semantics < 1366261196 176833 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever lemme ask the actual math student i fuckin know < 1366261209 644131 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you people keep up with this crap is beyond me. don't you ever want to study monks instead < 1366261211 170536 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh this could get ugly < 1366261221 615772 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ugly < 1366261222 697173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: "use ur brain" how can they be complete and partial at the same time <-- woah dude < 1366261270 632601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you start the question with "this asshole on IRC" I'll fuck you up < 1366261298 647960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? why would i do that, you're not an asshole < 1366261298 880146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : why would i do that, you're not an asshole < 1366261305 156146 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting about that. < 1366261306 695600 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um do you know elliott < 1366261325 77057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait Bike studies monks? < 1366261334 764259 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't everyone? < 1366261339 711848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish. < 1366261346 562442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: pretty sure I am an asshole :( < 1366261353 257946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just an example. There are lots of interesting things. < 1366261360 867226 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I get a bit frustrated at how made up math gets. < 1366261362 865089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpos are interesting! < 1366261366 181819 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh have you ever like < 1366261369 16389 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sat back and < 1366261371 266363 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though about < 1366261372 936411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monks, not m(on|no)qys < 1366261377 43605 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really thought about < 1366261380 901338 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what assholes really are < 1366261381 220310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingers < 1366261382 78456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yes < 1366261384 968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366261388 5079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean no < 1366261390 635498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call 'em assholes but i've never seen 'em ass < 1366261394 561666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i laughed < 1366261428 900362 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one of many valuable services i provide < 1366261445 748393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: is there some deeper meaning i'm missing < 1366261449 153170 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i m never frustrated about made up math but im frustrated about how much math i dont know < 1366261451 177591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo assholes are pretty simple < 1366261458 972082 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also frustrating < 1366261471 940399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw don't you think this is the wrong channel to dislike things for being made up < 1366261473 895704 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but referring to things as assholes??? or even whole asses < 1366261483 173971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? hm (does (this (remove (parentheses) even) without) commands) < 1366261483 367827 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a person be an asshole < 1366261483 562736 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, possibly. < 1366261484 56613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm (does (this (remove (parentheses) even) without) commands) < 1366261484 466131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: well assholes say a lot of poop < 1366261488 180360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neep < 1366261491 998819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just saying < 1366261502 527100 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the wrong attitude to be a math major in and yet i persist < 1366261512 821675 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: did i ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk < 1366261519 109584 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds bad < 1366261532 443752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait are you actually am ath major < 1366261536 176210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were a fucking biologist < 1366261548 670590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational neuroscience, it's a double major < 1366261554 474804 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not even actually in school atm fuck my life < 1366261612 460459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up things are inherently better anyway < 1366261614 589066 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about, use inclusion as a partial order. < 1366261624 274471 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's complete probably? < 1366261625 39440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :follows from theorem 1 (everything that exists is shit) < 1366261631 787050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theorem 2 (you can make up things that don't exist) < 1366261634 525534 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is pretty interesting < 1366261638 427758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: okay so what's sup < 1366261643 877976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's the difference between you and me < 1366261679 880661 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is shit "reflexivity, man" < 1366261684 75534 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is also the shit, i hear < 1366261693 49390 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the limit supremum? ummmm i guess you need the sets to have... things... < 1366261712 133682 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not set sthey're cpos < 1366261730 948630 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on sets. < 1366261746 736347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi do you provide "mnoqy wisdom" < 1366261750 725160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or "monqy wisdom" < 1366261753 719962 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh oops you need that one axiom........ < 1366261756 623668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so which one or both < 1366261763 680423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf might be intersection, if you are using inclusion < 1366261766 872501 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. the one < 1366261776 990146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what, choice? < 1366261778 603617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that gives a cpo < 1366261780 399809 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Suppose a partially ordered set P has the property that every chain (i.e. totally ordered subset) has an upper bound in P. Then the set P contains at least one maximal element.» < 1366261787 518533 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i'm actually really bad at this gosh < 1366261788 346149 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes. < 1366261792 881596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but that's not what i'm asking about < 1366261795 818134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just talking about plain old cpos < 1366261796 12121 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need axiom of choice < 1366261823 272213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what is sup c (a CPO) where c is a monotonic function N -> CPO (i.e. a chain) < 1366261830 87904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have the axiom of choice < 1366261858 291549 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it customary in your parts to assume the axiom of choice or to assume zorn's lemma or < 1366261866 319621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda yeah < 1366261873 778712 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean also < 1366261880 690641 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which do you assume and which do you take as a consequence < 1366261887 661912 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"important decisions" < 1366261889 906375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that's a chain with upper bounds so it should have a maximum by zorn's < 1366261898 434077 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not... what it actually is < 1366261907 306666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: _if_ the intersection of a family of cpo's on a set is a cpo on that set then that's probably enough for the whole structure to be a cpo. < 1366261912 549707 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time a class i was in assumed zorn's lemma directly!!! < 1366261917 134648 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1366261943 342835 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:11:29 elliott: well that's a chain with upper bounds so it should have a maximum by zorn's < 1366261946 342687 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:11:38 just not... what it actually is < 1366261948 845050 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ???? ????? < 1366261959 483012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1366261977 532736 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what sort of math do you do. math is cool < 1366261988 675996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind where I flail around on IRC < 1366262005 714969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you proved the chain has an upper bound < 1366262008 119421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of the thing < 1366262009 773946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you have to prove < 1366262014 445669 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and how have you gotten through life without needing to use zorn's lemma for a thing??? gosh) < 1366262014 759710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show cpos form a cpo < 1366262028 451579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: imo the axiom of determinacy < 1366262028 809422 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just any upper bound but a least upper bound < 1366262032 26252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i've never used zorn's lemma < 1366262033 390901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1366262045 315562 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe you've never gotten through life < 1366262054 680125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1366262057 247217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I just give up now < 1366262059 129430 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had to use zorn's lemma.....3...4???times < 1366262067 804607 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used aoc directly....... < 1366262069 607876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey who here ``believes in'' the axiom of determinacy < 1366262071 768516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1366262076 959078 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the axiom of determinacy < 1366262088 1900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_determinacy < 1366262092 887969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that thing that contradicts with choice right < 1366262099 232279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1366262109 464767 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hard time "believing in" "believing in" math things < 1366262130 532177 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366262132 674502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i put it in quotes < 1366262153 81098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in maths things < 1366262155 791887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like believing in math things < 1366262156 871668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right < 1366262163 281643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i "believe" in godel's completeness theorem, which means if it's consistent, it exists. < 1366262169 668720 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you don't believe that people believe in things? < 1366262172 553407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe in ørjan < 1366262186 864074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan-gutan < 1366262196 253102 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the upper bound of each chain can just be the union of everything in the chain, like oerjan probably said < 1366262220 244069 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i like how this is talking about games and shit that's good < 1366262221 863476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oerjan said something... it was being drowned out by bicycles < 1366262228 173225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: i didn't. it's intersection that tends to work nicely with po's defined by inclusion, not union < 1366262231 224413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using inverse inclusion i think < 1366262231 588864 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fu u man < 1366262238 981289 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: are you sure you know what youre trying to do.. < 1366262239 878709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: um it's just talking about games < 1366262245 206522 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i'm pretty sure i don't < 1366262246 446115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: which article are you reading < 1366262260 723310 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woe < 1366262273 769769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366262297 444764 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366262297 639083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: are you sure you're a maths major < 1366262300 290513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a major maths < 1366262305 421957 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm really not < 1366262309 280597 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...... < 1366262312 265670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you lied to me??? < 1366262317 736308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ummmm there's no such thing as "a maths major" < 1366262325 581519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"major" is "american splelling" < 1366262338 217977 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :majour looks....wrong < 1366262339 675545 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm sorry, my majour is not maths < 1366262350 319455 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wroung < 1366262353 388043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean i'm not sure < 1366262356 221224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm incompetent < 1366262362 914991 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366262367 435412 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ellioutt < 1366262388 244328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's ok. i believe in u < 1366262403 411378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll achieve great things!! for a bicycle anyway < 1366262408 432900 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist < 1366262414 635371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a great thing for a bicycle to achieve < 1366262422 958962 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not falling over? < 1366262427 580597 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ease of how u get on it < 1366262429 324068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's p. great < 1366262430 549087 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being steald < 1366262436 49704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure Bike can manage that < 1366262439 348596 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously if you just have cpo1 <= cpo2 iff cpo1 isin cpo2 then you could just take the union < 1366262442 421915 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1366262444 833454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you ever been steald < 1366262460 549270 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366262463 917480 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but then you need a cpo structure on that union < 1366262466 254284 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is the thing < 1366262469 266607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that < 1366262479 526061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to say: what's the bottom; what's the ordering; what's the sup < 1366262479 918450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1366262494 434192 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff u dont need a bottom < 1366262501 646325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can steal a bottom < 1366262505 462340 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366262505 866599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still need to say what it is < 1366262506 594119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about set inclusion where the greater cpo's order is an extension of the lesser's < 1366262512 265701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm these sups are supposed to be directed, it seems. then union is probably fine? < 1366262524 507294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing \omega-cpos < 1366262525 363093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1366262541 677115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+03C8 < 1366262543 308251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366262548 581931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1366262550 594489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+03C9 < 1366262556 416599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1366262563 652255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the idea" is that eventually I'll be able to do sup (iter (D |-> D -> D) _|_) where iter takes (a -> a) and a to (N -> a) < 1366262572 129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What are you doing, anyway? < 1366262574 36213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weaker than dcpo... < 1366262576 331819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the D ~= D -> D domain and hence I'll have a domain for the untyped lambda calculus??? < 1366262576 526452 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great syntax < 1366262580 377069 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1366262582 952293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1366262602 84510 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: untypedlambdacalculus.com < 1366262613 386721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :untypedlambdacalcul.us < 1366262619 288292 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the actual problem here? < 1366262631 102898 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: elliott wants the D ~= D -> D domain < 1366262647 725191 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the lambda calc's < 1366262651 32930 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no context < 1366262660 940635 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ;-) < 1366262670 290578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: [; < 1366262675 4826 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is writing a denotatonal semantics for the lambda calc's < 1366262675 682224 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm too lazy to scrollback < 1366262682 91943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in coq!!!!!) < 1366262685 248183 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in coq < 1366262710 843922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ask conal < 1366262719 399811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conal knows everything about denotatinal semantics?? < 1366262733 440231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever even met conal < 1366262750 58591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1366262770 304674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nal like < 1366262788 209459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cogreat ;-O < 1366262792 426387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey how about this axiom:::::: < 1366262793 593786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_uniformization < 1366262809 82210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a polish space < 1366262818 514585 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you mean you want a complete partial order of all cpos of a given set? < 1366262832 147054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quasistrategies and quasideterminacy < 1366262832 351348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This section is still to be written < 1366262834 513859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] < 1366262857 535720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cpo of all cpos < 1366262864 422284 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's too big < 1366262875 51995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even working in set theory < 1366262884 512837 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in principle < 1366262889 506951 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do it lexicographically < 1366262908 818976 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you're even capable of helping at all < 1366262913 136591 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yes < 1366262916 181970 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366262932 503976 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better listen to this guy he knows what he's doing < 1366262965 630527 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have some sensible way to represent it (higher-order classes or something) < 1366263073 156921 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your class of cpos is all pairs of the form (S, R) where S is a set and R is a relation defining the cpo. Since R \subset S^2, you can represent R as an element of 2^{|S|^2}. < 1366263084 501969 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366263109 574949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's the cpo structure < 1366263124 622509 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it depends what you're going for < 1366263148 201946 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo elliott should repeat his problem < 1366263168 804773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo mnoqy should share some wisdom with us < 1366263174 725777 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, do you have a cpo on sets defined? < 1366263178 522580 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok ok if you really want it < 1366263190 432195 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: - mnoqy wisdom < 1366263195 948840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1366263197 488426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mnoqy < 1366263199 172834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy used to be monqy before the earthquake. < 1366263203 406003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy < 1366263205 69088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. < 1366263205 616836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the actual sets themselves don't seem to factor into this... assuming <= gives inclusion or such < 1366263215 171331 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not complete < 1366263231 737705 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the joke is that you throw away their cpo structure and toss on a new one by inclusion or what-not < 1366263243 647740 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're working over ordinals, then you could do something sensible < 1366263244 204749 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: since your problem doesn't matter < 1366263246 917420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366263298 714518 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see an obvious "correct" one < 1366263326 188979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: what do you mean < 1366263336 225166 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cpos over the some fixed set, you could do refinement/relaxation and both are complete I believe < 1366263340 650986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: are you ever going to be monqy again < 1366263347 726405 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whenever elliott sends monqy messages < 1366263369 707548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy hi we love you monqy we miss you at school < 1366263369 902580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1366263370 535575 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you can just view them as subsets of S^2 and then the empty set and the powerset are minima and maxima < 1366263388 712976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously the ordinals have a cpo built in. < 1366263410 565124 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously i think you should read what elliott said about his actual issue < 1366263443 380572 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to scrollback "not an excuse to go on an irrelevant tangent (doesn't that take more effort anyway?)" < 1366263466 15935 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> tell me what the cpo of cpos is (does it exist?? I hear it does) and fix the coq problem that stops me defining it < 1366263470 739939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help is a cotangent a dual of a tangent < 1366263475 656584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does cotangent exist < 1366263479 403954 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, obviously < 1366263490 385673 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so yeah, if I'm not being helpful, please explain the problem better < 1366263494 802661 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how about the part where he says what he's actualyl trying to do < 1366263502 697833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: since he's said it!!! let's make it a game and find it < 1366263502 918840 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that? < 1366263523 71738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm particularly interested in what the cpo structure of the sup of a cpo \omega-chain looks like..... given inclusion or something as the ordering on cpos itself < 1366263549 33070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cotangent only exist in america, as do secant and cosecant. hth. < 1366263549 228001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem is you can't really define inclusion on cpos on unrelated sets unless you can relate those two sets < 1366263550 976386 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with "the idea" and ends with "lambda calculus" < 1366263553 701595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exists < 1366263562 511067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know i suspected that it was american < 1366263572 532685 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might as well assume you're working over ordinals I think? < 1366263573 665076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i never completely understood those functions < 1366263576 605634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if one cpo is included in another then clearly you have a subset... < 1366263580 393155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do they exist in america < 1366263587 373190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a partial mapping function or whatever) < 1366263593 272489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er non-paess < 1366263594 996310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, I see < 1366263596 317547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*partial I guess < 1366263596 811860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know wht I mean" < 1366263598 510578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't really know it's only american, but it's definitely not common in norway) < 1366263599 677716 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, got it < 1366263633 879447 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366263640 466540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suppose you could define the ordering as existence of a monotonic mapping one way or such < 1366263660 101945 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta memorize those versine tables < 1366263688 364809 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, when you say inclusion, is {a, b} with the trivial ordering included in {a, b} with a <= b or the other way around? < 1366263769 435389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Fiora Apparently Meridian Lossless (and that Monkey thing, at least) are not strictly speaking LPC-based, because they have an IIR (not FIR) predictor block there. (And also there seems to be more variation when it comes to how they take advantage of inter-channel correlations between the algorithms.) < 1366263769 808617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1366263783 944601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure which way the ordering goes < 1366263795 341783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'll assume it's as I described < 1366263799 879136 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the way where the sup of that chain gives you the thing you want < 1366263808 795934 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then isn't the supremum the union of the sets plus the transitive closure of the union of the orderings? < 1366263809 500632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends on whether _|_ the cpo's set is the empty set or (an arbitrary) singleton set < 1366263819 71783 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366263830 779053 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366263850 783831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ordering/relation/ < 1366263860 527455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what's the sup operation in the cpo that results in? < 1366263875 317814 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does not parse < 1366263888 10892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sup goes from an \omega-chain of cpos to a cpo < 1366263895 702064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1366263897 159060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for sup's result to be a cpo, it has to have a sup operation defined < 1366263910 137215 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck I see < 1366263917 148497 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I missed the problem < 1366263921 894291 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1366263926 229995 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I'll need to think about this one < 1366263966 114450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1366263978 322625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start with definitions; (S_1, R_1) <= (S_2, R_2) if S_1 \subseteq S_2 and R_1 \subseteq R_2, right? < 1366263988 510847 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just to formalize what I think we have) < 1366264031 412280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, sure < 1366264039 607775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to include the sup function in that definition < 1366264043 313926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it's unique < 1366264056 36696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to blah blah < 1366264077 780597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sup function is built in to each of (S_1, R_1) and (S_2, R_2) < 1366264095 327639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming R_1 and R_2 to be cpos here < 1366264106 149990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well there's the obvious cop-out < 1366264110 282031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1366264144 94867 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just define the sup of an \omega-chain to be \bigcup_{i=1}^\infty S_i \cup {x} for some x \notin S_i for all i \in \omega < 1366264155 663320 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make x be a maximal element < 1366264167 31520 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's always the supremum < 1366264198 519415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, does that satisfy the least upper bound part? I don't get it < 1366264242 194444 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :define the relation in the supremum to be \bigcup_{i=1}^\infty R_i \cup { (s, x) : s \in S_i for some i \in \omega } < 1366264252 738502 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and (x, x) < 1366264276 312622 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then for any \omega-chain inside S, x will always be greater than every element < 1366264301 667580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can pick x uniquely by making it the least ordinal not in any of the sets or something) < 1366264326 436734 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally I think you need some cop-out like that < 1366264366 14503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm < 1366264375 533030 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, I'm going to mathbin a pathological case < 1366264671 927942 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathbin.net/163618 < 1366264686 921942 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly inclusion is not the ordering < 1366264693 213445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ignore what I said about defining sup differently < 1366264694 710277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tired < 1366264699 253845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1366264725 782879 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, typo < 1366264730 866537 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ^n should be inside the bracket < 1366264742 326277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrected version in reply < 1366264752 907197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will observe when my browser stops freezing < 1366264894 868657 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the idea is to pick a subset of the natural numbers so that each chain has finitely many distinct elements < 1366264928 714720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, subordering (is that a word?) < 1366264939 217456 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the union is all the naturals, which have no upper bound < 1366265003 153190 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like "finite" there, you could do it with \omega^2 and do it "modulo" powers of omega rather than 2 < 1366265018 691287 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/powers/multiples/ < 1366265032 959589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a look
< 1366265089 879830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that \omega-chain actually properly ordered? < 1366265140 484468 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because if n is congruent to m modulo some power of 2, then it is also congruent to m modulo any smaller power of 2 < 1366265156 664182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1366265180 496961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the ordering on cpos needs to be different < 1366265183 399273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366265195 70417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a cpo of cpos exists, it must be < 1366265213 642692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things depend on which choices you make, then they're usually not natural constructions < 1366265215 152464 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you clearly want it to the underlying cpos, right? < 1366265225 179540 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to relate to < 1366265231 586278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1366265240 238720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: agreed < 1366265244 345600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps reversing it works? < 1366265263 319251 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1366265282 208925 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the same as before except we require that R_1 \supseteq R_2 rather than \subseteq? < 1366265301 911394 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute < 1366265315 215356 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure this will even solve your problem < 1366265323 206747 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually took a second to think about your chain and < 1366265325 464815 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks wonky < 1366265334 410403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: im ok with diversions < 1366265336 365719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :diversions are fun < 1366265345 260984 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366265348 147215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc reading somewhere that a cpo of cpo type things get you the fixed points you need tho < 1366265360 256866 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366265363 243062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right (and similarly the Ses) < 1366265395 827253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vague idea for what would be natural: the sup of your chain of cpo's should be equal to their categorical limit when you let inclusions be your morphisms < 1366265409 909685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye limits being involved makes sense < 1366265414 442754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or colimit, i never quite remember which is which < 1366265415 998456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's how you get the recursive cpos more "naturally" < 1366265438 727127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: gotta go < 1366265490 102797 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colimits are "lubs" (have "injections") and limits are "glbs" (have "projections") < 1366265494 929134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that works < 1366265504 705505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: probably colimit then < 1366265506 60401 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the chain would also be a chain in every (S_i, R_i) pair < 1366265514 157421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1366265524 560819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366265525 345044 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have a supremum < 1366265529 356740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit < 1366265539 973644 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not be the same in each set, but ... wait, nope, this doesn't work either < 1366265543 125462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1366265552 946787 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't colimit make more sense < 1366265555 813634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1366265565 935387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let S_i = \omega \cdot 2 for all i < 1366265598 989567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep confusing with the morphisms out of the limit that give the universal property < 1366265629 122913 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1366265641 836767 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember by products are limits and coproducts are colimits < 1366265645 931111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let R_0 be the usual ordering, and let R_{i+1} be R_i except \omega + i is made unordered < 1366265666 308697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the supremum has every element \omega or bigger being unordered, so \omega itself has no supremum < 1366265726 44115 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1366265769 478356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i just remember they're the opposite way of what i'd have defined them to start with, and _then_ i start getting confused :P < 1366265781 315240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of how < 1366265807 635300 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1366265877 48454 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366265929 66324 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite possible the category theoretical approach makes more sense and possibly works < 1366265943 268283 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to date, I've not had the chance to actually get a decent understanding of category theory < 1366265951 878332 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I keep getting distracted by math actually taught at my school < 1366265967 304923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category theory is indecent, anyway. < 1366265983 809682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well category theoretical approaches tell you a unique property of what you want, but usually leaves with the work of proving it actually exists. < 1366265993 703539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leaves you < 1366266011 503799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my impression. < 1366266140 113560 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory's pretty cool, pretty cool. i'm learning all about monoids < 1366266166 171978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they < 1366266166 859496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1366266167 507325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1366266174 569138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott......................................................... < 1366266174 764067 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1366266370 736693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :memeoids < 1366266398 774797 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a memeoid < 1366266416 25829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so about this categorical construction... :P < 1366266434 513563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say something about categorical constructions < 1366266439 195983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whta are you constructing < 1366266458 189685 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: remember elliott's cpo of cpos < 1366266465 762984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366266473 687274 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're in for a big treat < 1366266476 495488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well _if_ the cpo exists in the categorical sense, then it is probably the right thing. < 1366266518 191514 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpo of "small" cpos < 1366266527 569467 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a "big" cpo) < 1366266537 850952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a universe inconsistency when defining it in coq :') < 1366266538 791017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was cute < 1366267291 329689 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366267338 528503 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366267502 279854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What's sw2wolf all about? < 1366267520 849978 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never reading the manual, ever? i dunno < 1366267542 126183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bots? < 1366267550 4489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that just in the other channel? < 1366267592 666878 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in #lisp often he asks about stumpwm, a window manager. < 1366267621 428835 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :« sw2wolf: programming is too abstract. That's why only programmers do it.» so glad i looked at these logs < 1366268040 998029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :* sw2wolf bad luck to encounter wai-app-file-cgi-0.8.3 :( < 1366268054 638388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : @package wai-app-file-cgi-0.8.3 < 1366268057 384778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this guy is great. < 1366268141 665619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only just barely understand whatever he's talking about, and that's only sometimes < 1366268183 649410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need another IRC-based esolang < 1366268184 967221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like IRP < 1366268196 228219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not like the one that's designed to look like IRC logs either < 1366268206 96482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, it takes place as apparently random comments across many different channels < 1366268216 487580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that make no sense out of context, or even in context really < 1366268217 644366 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's called a botnet dude < 1366268222 777172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm opposed < 1366268232 390385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, a bit like the way botnets work < 1366268234 274619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just less evil < 1366268246 594059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all bots < 1366268253 74220 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a bot
< 1366268258 796348 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a steganographic botnet C&C system sounds pretty neat < 1366268271 11741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually a bilingual pun???????? < 1366268272 908058 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but what does it mean? < 1366268281 483164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bots" means mud in hebrew < 1366268282 526452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: are you the channel controller ? < 1366268289 373489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are they this good in #lisp < 1366268334 795849 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1366268336 531554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :God made bots. < 1366268340 535088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :God got lonesome. < 1366268349 201320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So God said to some of the bots, "Sit up!" < 1366268362 608116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you a bot? < 1366268362 803329 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: write me a sf account? < 1366268370 243656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1366268374 411995 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* sw2wolf I know CL step by step by hacking STUMPWM. It seems other lisp dialects cannot provide such a real app. for you to tweak :) < 1366268383 169333 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1366268388 247454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No...... < 1366268388 783299 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's wrong with having a few instructions in the readme in that ftp archive i pointed to, since it has a ridiculous limit on the number of times < 1366268393 947666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate stumpwm because I watched a video of it once < 1366268395 608674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd have to be pretty shrewd to avoid getting banned (network or channel) for spaming, I think. < 1366268397 340191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fucking guy pronounced it like < 1366268399 446472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stumpwayyem < 1366268403 662380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i hear it < 1366268405 61571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY FUCKING TIME < 1366268409 188802 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* sw2wolf maybe it is easy to understand symbol to regard it as Memory Address ? < 1366268454 416874 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have said way too many things to this guy < 1366268471 883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it should be stumpduddlyyem < 1366268515 721418 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :< sw2wolf> macro-syntax: Scheme seems elegant than CL, but few applications developed using Scheme compared with CL < 1366268534 318331 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok he tried to talk to rudybot for like ten minutes once < 1366268547 682033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rudybot is not in the channel, needless to say < 1366268578 757965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :burydot < 1366268651 4539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well he is right. scheme is way better than cl. < 1366268673 861531 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sw2wolf is right < 1366268688 939063 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you the lisp controller ? < 1366268699 597266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1366268706 694458 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366268727 310534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm as easy as monoisd < 1366268728 446742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds < 1366268738 695301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoisdds < 1366268804 254964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thith lithp ith outh oth conthrol < 1366268810 728790 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1366268843 623792 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make an esolang called "rhoticism". < 1366268890 512778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp? more like shit. < 1366268908 606981 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shhhihth < 1366268910 131764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randall Ahmed is the name he loves to be called with but it's not the most masucline name out there. After being out of his job for years he became a database administrator. Doing 3d graphics is the thing he loves most. His wife and him chose to reside in American Samoa. His wife and he maintain a website. You might want to check it out: http://ti-89.org/wiki/?title=Acute_and_recurring_pain_studied < 1366268931 911844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1366268943 204103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: spambot? < 1366268954 698906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a page you deleted yesterday < 1366268966 162564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1366268981 266957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is perfect. < 1366268983 400915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if that sort of spam happens more, I can also disallow one-liners that end with a link < 1366268990 676580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the name. to the comment on the name. to the job and love. < 1366268996 711878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the location. to the wording of the location. < 1366268998 673593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the domain name < 1366269016 588743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit not reading it more than was necessary to establish it was spam < 1366269037 672621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can i be a wiki admin < 1366269042 303566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's likely linking to a spam page on a legitimate wiki < 1366269057 368878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the domain is squatted by a hosting company. < 1366269062 452449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the same < 1366269077 348522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have been even better if it linked to a spam page on a wiki about TI-89 calculators, really < 1366269092 246992 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it linked to a totally normal wiki page on ti89s < 1366269095 565503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: yes i can "inside joke") < 1366269119 684345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that reminds me of the spambot who was spamming links to google.com < 1366269126 637052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as [google.com google] < 1366269132 542223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is it was a spambot author testing something < 1366269139 867232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using it as an example.com substitute < 1366269147 987143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, [http://google.com google] < 1366269150 264273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google trying to increase their PageRank? < 1366269151 4355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: be careful, soon elliott may be desperate enough to make you one < 1366269164 639050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i would do absolutely nothing < 1366269184 300280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually we have basically no spam edits now < 1366269194 256485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam filters on edits are holding very effectively < 1366269202 408901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and _still_ recent changes is overrun :P < 1366269204 105076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the CAPTCHA isn't, so we get a lot of spam registrations < 1366269214 605576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll work on it soon, promise < 1366269252 930926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I can adjust the edit filter, but only elliott can adjust the CAPTCHA < 1366269275 975375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fwiw, I have a strong suspicion that making the answers change over time would defeat the spambot reasonably comprehensively < 1366269277 328052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPTCHA: Write a 200 word essay on why spamming should carry the death penalty. Be convincing. < 1366269291 39322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's something as simple as "what number is the day within the month?" < 1366269300 662488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well if there's a human... < 1366269305 981462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I suspect it's working from a framework designed to attack MediaWiki in particular but not Esolang in particular < 1366269315 134532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i knew about limits and stuff. properly. < 1366269316 440549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that human involvement is used to compile answers initially, but not beyond that < 1366269322 467849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they'll just adjust the answers, I suspect < 1366269335 373077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it'll waste more of their time than it will of ours < 1366269342 407129 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how all antispam measures work, eventually < 1366269358 940573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering blocking the user-agent from registering if it's distinctive < 1366269362 526673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1366269373 566592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Limits as in categories? < 1366269376 59336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: from my checkusering, it appears to be faking common browser user-agents < 1366269380 112760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1366269382 614978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in a particularly consistent way < 1366269394 29681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's fairly likely there's *some* distinctive mark < 1366269418 34739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess… check which order the fields are submitte din < 1366269420 887133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*submitted in < 1366269422 362504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the login form < 1366269435 847480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then see if we can reorder them in the HTML and see if the spambots still reorder them in their automated submissions < 1366269439 277118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, this kind of thing acts as motivation for me to rewrite the wiki software, so mediawiki spambots have no hope :P < 1366269453 160747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though updating mediawiki acts as an even greater motivation there.) < 1366269539 680639 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366270182 457837 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366271201 718540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Will be gone for a while. < 1366271732 534925 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1366271933 804604 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366272096 535574 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366273189 883739 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366273443 938812 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366273802 877833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oooh, inter-channel correlation. that makes sense given that blu-ray loves things like 5.1 and 7.1 < 1366273803 73644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1366273820 697670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often forget non-stereo audio exists <.< < 1366273836 597423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy a message < 1366273842 512039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Fiora < 1366274295 605002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for stereo signals, one benefits from encoding them non-independently. < 1366274377 868807 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Quit: itsy < 1366274427 729321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC seems to have four encoding modes for pairs of stereo channels -- independent, mid-side ((left+right)/2 and left-right), left-side (left and right-left) and right-side (right and left-right). < 1366274435 777344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about joint stereo?? < 1366274509 366580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lossy formats' joint-stereo mode is something slightly more elaborate than just the mid+side approach. But that's just a hunch. < 1366274538 183836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjoint stereo?? < 1366274549 679345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1366274564 403976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something closer to having the averaged signal, plus some parameters for panning the subbands. < 1366274572 887348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: greetings from the past < 1366274631 82245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a lot of modes. I only know of mid-side < 1366274660 33383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "Surprisingly, the left-side and right-side forms can be the most efficient in many frames, even though the raw number of bits per sample needed for the original signal is slightly more than that needed for independent or mid-side coding." (FLAC format docs.) < 1366274701 675511 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1366274732 528414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so glad people know about lossless audio compression so i don't have to < 1366274741 725349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why @_@ this sounds really cool! < 1366274757 522714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1366274760 438747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that i don't want to < 1366274763 339635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that i don't! < 1366274775 614554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if i had to know about it, right now i would be sitting with a big ol pile of wav files < 1366274783 478536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i want to know about audio compression < 1366274785 476648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I remember is that like, 24-bit audio is often more than twice as large as 16-bit in lossless < 1366274801 955245 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the low bits have way more entropy than the high ones, since they're noisier and harder to LPC-predict < 1366274818 234534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Looking at the actual bits, though, it appears as if (in FLAC) you can only use the channel intercorrelation parts for stereo files. There doesn't seem to be an encoding for using any of those modes when there are >2 channels. (I might be wrong about this.) < 1366274821 913650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the same with like 16-bit PNG vs 8-bit PNG being like a gazillion times larger < 1366274826 95367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a Monty thing where he went on about 24 bit being pointless < 1366274829 882508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm contributing!! < 1366274853 185541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately, there is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format. Its playback fidelity is slightly inferior to 16/44.1 or 16/48, and it takes up 6 times the space." wham < 1366274855 939647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh. I remember that being like a problem with vorbis too, like, it wasn't designed for many-channel modes originally or something. and I guess mp3 too? < 1366274866 697810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Responses indicate that few people understand basic signal theory or the sampling theorem, which is hardly surprising." boom?? < 1366274975 139315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know the historical background, but it supports 1-8 independent channels (channel assignment codes 0..7), or the three special stereo modes mentioned above (codes 8..10); just not a generic "here's more than two channels and they're actually correlated too" thing. < 1366274996 588790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that makes sense... < 1366275061 413712 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366275094 92389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALAC can do 32 bits per sample. < 1366275107 8695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's someone somewhere storing their audio as IEEE 754 doubles. < 1366275271 504253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that the S/PDIF stream is "natively" 20 bits/sample, but you can stretch it to 24 bits, except then the extra bits are stuck in some less logical places and ignored by some devices. < 1366275469 521226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does channel correlation work between more than 2 channels? < 1366275477 2965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 channels seems to be a nice "easy" case where you can just do, like, mid-side < 1366275485 185352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more dimensions makes things messier I'd guess < 1366275510 68693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could certainly do just one main channel and all the others as differences, in hopes that the (presumably small) difference channels compress better. < 1366275515 66466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could have some kind of N*M-dimensional predictor, where N is your LPC order and M is the number of channels, but that sounds painful < 1366275683 179437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you could also share the predictor coefficients, but that doesn't sound like a likely gain. < 1366275782 913873 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, like, normally one channel only predicts from itself, right? but instead you could have coefficients for how every channel predicts from every other channel in combination or something < 1366275795 389975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sounds like it'd balloon fast) < 1366275826 181120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could look at http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_paper/mlp_jap_new.PDF for what MLP does -- it seems to use a quite generic series of transformations for the channel decorrelation. < 1366275836 985287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Page three.) < 1366275907 595992 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is my little pny's channel decorrelated? as far as i know, it always airs on the same channel. that's a pretty strong correlation. < 1366275928 745770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh, a matrix thing. < 1366275949 774809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A matrix thing except with some wrinkles to make it lossless. < 1366275982 714545 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is reminiscent of um... what was it called < 1366275992 97432 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, YCgCo < 1366276032 595907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RGB->YUV uses like those decimal coefficients that have rounding errors, while YCgCo uses a formula that's invertible, so you can use it to decorrelate the 3 RGB channels for lossless compression < 1366276075 860572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/5/1/e5195697a23c4f8ef9d4b7af745df9a2.png < 1366276339 872183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1366276343 37608 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :843) usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it < 1366276351 522630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a talk about JPEG compression once. < 1366276353 374062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was good. < 1366276390 953300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG compression is complicated. :-( < 1366276394 127996 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw in some DCT and huffman, mix it around until it says JPEG? < 1366276412 895313 :labouche!~labouches@44.Red-80-36-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366276421 424655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More complicated than, say, LZW. < 1366276452 102018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Also a zigzag, I remember the zigzag. < 1366276474 276289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the scan order thing, where you can have like multiple huffman tables < 1366276479 965369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :↯ < 1366276500 888505 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was intended for progressive but you can kind of throw anything at it or something?) < 1366276502 814430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Zigzag referring to the ordering of the quantized block DCT coefficient so that all the zeros are at the end.) < 1366276557 804154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/MPEG/HTML/zigzag.gif zigzags!' < 1366276573 137445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG 2000 can do lossless, I think. < 1366276576 278715 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all part of the "mixing around" step :P < 1366276592 57919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's still wavelets when it's lossless, or something. < 1366276605 649066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG 2000 is, like, this millennium, man. < 1366276619 193639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think jpeg had a lossless mode too? < 1366276623 272760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this millenium started in 2001. < 1366276624 250959 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody used it (?) < 1366276630 627652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_JPEG ah < 1366276635 792534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly fizzie. < 1366276638 607245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sillizzie? < 1366276649 596398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Did you watch any more Look Around You? < 1366276651 170909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sillie? < 1366276661 746691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... no I haven't < 1366276708 760959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Hey, JPEG2k also has a modified reversible YUV variant for the lossless mode. (The default mode does Y'CbCr.) < 1366276723 463468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do like ycgco, or something else? < 1366276749 484398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the numbers, it seems pretty similar. < 1366276773 757331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Y channel's the same. < 1366276808 625185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number? We're not pulling teeth 'ere! < 1366276817 151874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the tricky thing with YCgCo is that it requires 1 extra bit of range in the Cg and Co channels < 1366276836 741956 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while like yuv doesn't) < 1366276859 22384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chroma channels seem different; It has C_B = B-G and C_R = R-G. < 1366276859 628285 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic being something like "only ~1/4 of YUV maps to valid RGB, so to losslessly represent RGB, the YUV space has to be about 4 times bigger" < 1366276873 590972 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that almost sounds like mid-side XD < 1366276894 716685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While Y is the same (R+2G+B)/4 like in YCgCo. < 1366276905 808298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, floor of that. < 1366276956 898684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you get just G = Y - floor((C_B + C_R)/4) for the reverse. < 1366277122 782996 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366277196 585362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I've ever come across a .jp2/.jpx file anywhere, so it's perhaps all a bit academic. < 1366277227 322187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Gregor shouldn't have voice < 1366277229 166304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scares me < 1366277245 210854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but academic stuff is fun < 1366277274 51955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, like "publish-or-perish"? < 1366277332 429362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a nice peek at Linux development practices (courtesy of a different #channel): http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.pci/21634 < 1366277376 893879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's also in your Diddits or whatevers that you use these days. < 1366277457 409693 :labouche!~labouches@44.Red-80-36-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366277903 991377 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pfff < 1366277981 912839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You should come back to #fiora! < 1366278015 615617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I recreated it as ##fiora < 1366278018 744492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I could register it < 1366278214 908735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode should designate a prefix (###?) so that each account has an autocreated, autoregistered "nick channel" automatically. < 1366278232 515101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also possibly some kind of a service that says nice things about the person in question on that channel every now and then. < 1366278250 957931 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366278252 922915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For pdpc supporters only. < 1366278513 924165 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366279699 877672 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366280038 907151 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366280126 981718 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366280137 543124 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just invented a new Esolang :-) < 1366280150 932998 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topsy Turvey < 1366280564 580931 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< increment the data pointer < 1366280564 812025 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> decrement the data pointer < 1366280564 812198 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- increment the byte at the data pointer < 1366280564 812305 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ decrement the byte at the data pointer < 1366280564 812411 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, output the byte at the data pointer < 1366280565 245970 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. accept one byte of input < 1366280565 440052 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :] if the data pointer points to zero, jump to the matching [ < 1366280566 74128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:15: parse error on input `data' < 1366280566 268988 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ if the data pointer points to nonzero, jump to the matching ] < 1366280566 269163 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ change polarity, switch < with > and - with + < 1366280598 388561 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1366280618 533453 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PART :#esoteric < 1366280726 23609 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote itsy < 1366280727 616618 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1366280807 205097 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 NICK :john_metcalf < 1366281329 78941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you think what would have happened, had Phantom_Hoover been here? We really dodged a brick there. < 1366281378 311130 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many minor bf alterations are in existence? < 1366281423 705563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Category:Brainfuck derivatives: The following 109 pages are in this category, out of 109 total." < 1366281437 798201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(18 in Category:Brainfuck equivalents.) < 1366281512 27231 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy seems to have been impomatic < 1366281629 617765 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :* itsy (~digital_w@87.115.210.249) has joined < 1366281638 707359 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [impomatic] (~john_metc@87.115.210.249) < 1366281649 424395 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm >.> < 1366281773 102459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic (~digital_w@87.115.210.249) has left #esoteric < 1366281791 921803 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 27 hours ago < 1366281884 438432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it was just someone living in the same household, or something. < 1366281902 151937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiding his secret identity as a bf derivative author < 1366282081 329463 :36DAAFBDO!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366282365 798785 :36DAAFBDO!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz NICK :sirdancealot < 1366282385 112635 :Whtspc!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366282465 21845 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lastlog taneb < 1366282466 185146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lastlog: unexpected argument: taneb \ Usage: lastlog [options] \ \ Options: \ -b, --before DAYS print only lastlog records older than DAYS \ -h, --help display this help message and exit \ -t, --time DAYS print only lastlog records more recent than DAYS \ -u, --user LOGIN print last < 1366282475 631597 :Whtspc!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any first comments on my sketch esolang: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Geharrewar ?? < 1366282554 809565 :Whtspc!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something fresh in it, or is it a copy of dusty ideas :)? < 1366282568 625940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TikZ is the BesT. Even if it ist kein Zeichenprogramm. < 1366282682 547641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing reminds me of Fueue, except that Fueue is perhaps somewhat more user-unfriendly. < 1366283064 515388 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366283129 102471 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366285253 749443 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1366286143 913944 :Whtspc!52973712@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.151.55.18 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1366286495 616963 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366286785 435551 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366290002 235634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366290375 453452 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366290496 908488 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366290537 40805 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366291262 75308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did some of you people speak of Antichamber, the game? Something called that is -50% off in Steam today. < 1366291319 155463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been waiting for this moment < 1366291322 204729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fizzie < 1366291334 638709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :find me a computer capable of running it for 50% off < 1366291448 188255 :pdurbin!~pdurbin@server1.greptilian.com PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.4.0" < 1366291459 198540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.itsco.de/computer/fujitsu_siemens_pcs/pc_fujitsu_siemens_esprimo_p5625_amd_athlon_64_x2_5600_2x_29ghz_i8_8233_0.htm there you go, I'm sure that's at least 50% off the original price. < 1366291481 718326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just took the system requirements from Steam, and selected the first hit at itsco.de that had marginally bigger numbers.) < 1366291508 535795 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366291654 938993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurray < 1366291665 526294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1366291856 571340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a computer very much like that, except with twice the RAM and two dozen times the disk space. Maybe it would be time to upgrade one day. < 1366292178 607347 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :antichamber is really really wonderful < 1366292371 21843 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366292508 74923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Haswell be a nice microarchitecture to upgrade to, from Windsor (one of the Athlon 64 X2's)? Aren't those supposed to come out soon? I'm sure you guys follow these things. < 1366292519 350718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also related, I need a hat. What's a good hat'chitecture? < 1366292638 23083 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez that would be a pretty huge upgrade < 1366292649 686730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, haswell seems pretty nice? < 1366292758 522438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it has New Instructions. < 1366292785 244764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in Newspeak? < 1366292876 232066 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DoublePlusMorphism? < 1366292905 684086 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new instructions~~ < 1366292927 189231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMI1, BMI2, AVX2, SMEP, FSGSBASE, TSX, oh my! < 1366292933 244390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are those haswell things coming out soon? < 1366292943 929445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone said something about summer somewhere. < 1366292946 963533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want, like, a new computer. someday. < 1366292954 997666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. I think July < 1366292966 229632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :June 2nd < 1366292967 891358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm july is in like a week. roughly. < 1366292972 484938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, half a week. < 1366292976 846069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366292981 413074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the mobile and desktop ones are both coming out? < 1366292989 963323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad they'll cost about a week when they come up. < 1366292994 899025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come out, i mean. i guess come up too. < 1366293002 23044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they design intel processors under the sea, presumably < 1366293010 431913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nuclear submarine. < 1366293038 464695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's the early adopter fee. < 1366293044 741580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 60 * 24 * 7 / 30 < 1366293047 584283 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :336.0 < 1366293075 581496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also probably grab an ivy bridge after the price drop? < 1366293160 343909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: But our household already has a Sandy Bridge (my laptop) and an Ivy Bridge (my wife's laptop), isn't there something called... what was it... Intel Exclusion Principle, that in one house you can't have more than one quantum something something, and so I couldn't get another Ivy Bridge. < 1366293208 123376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Intel systems are fermions and AMD ones are bosons. < 1366293212 95515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not a physicist.) < 1366293222 495760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait if you already have those two why do you need another @_@ < 1366293235 906887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of fast computers < 1366293265 146785 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like: I already have two raspberries, and I want to have a udoo too. < 1366293277 332055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are both laptops, I'd like to upgrade my desktop compumator too. There's more dick space in it, for one thing. < 1366293300 907711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also more monitors. < 1366293311 778860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1366293332 675663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrade, though? won't you have to pretty much replace everything anyways? < 1366293338 848913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using it for web surfing, and it keeps going all swappy, and I can't fit more memory in it except maybe with a hammer. < 1366293360 178363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll go in the same box, it's still an upgrade. < 1366293381 486756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think I can keep the disks for now. < 1366293456 252162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New graphics card, too...? < 1366293490 410560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably count as an upgrade even if I kept the integrated GPU. < 1366293513 365583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a passive-cooled Geforce 7600 in it at the moment. < 1366293513 587355 :impomatic!~john_metc@87.115.210.249 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366293518 319683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a few generations old. < 1366293530 774087 :impomatic!~john_metc@87.115.210.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366293574 571352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out which generation that was from
< 1366293589 869577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... wow. geeez. that was a long time ago < 1366293623 795496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ~6-7 generations old... wow < 1366293630 990490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time... < 1366293751 53222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The desktop is that old because last upgrade cycle, the iBook G4 I had for a laptop was starting to show signs of age (like disk errors), and I needed a working laptop for occasional travelling, so I went with the kind of laptop that also sort of served for occasional gamery purposes. < 1366293777 546820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it was a bit of a compromise (esp. w.r.t. portability), but it's worked just fine. < 1366293814 549826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 6-7 generations mean like, 3 years < 1366293816 619646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 2 years < 1366293817 733833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like you're right, I think, the Intel HD 4000 on the ivy bridge is like, 3x faster than the 7600 GS < 1366293824 537465 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the haswell's supposed to be a bunch better < 1366293873 831647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm I think the 7000 series was from like 2005 < 1366293884 419982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is somehow 8 years ago now < 1366293922 631094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at release dates in Wikipedia, both the graphics card and the CPU seem to be from around 2005-2006. Maybe 2007, they weren't the very newest thing when I got them. < 1366293958 641900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can buy 2005 being 8 years ago. what doesn't make any sense is that 2008 was 5 years ago. < 1366294006 755718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can't just change the digits around like that. < 1366294291 188909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the hat, though, are there any leaked roadmaps showing new hat architectures just around the corner? I need it before June. < 1366294520 17901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It should be more or less opaque, and preferrably it should make me look only as stupid as necessary, up to a constant factor, in case that matters.) < 1366295955 105613 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366296214 624153 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366297128 802686 :ThatOtherPerson!ThatOtherP@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366297133 480915 :ThatOtherPerson!ThatOtherP@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366297247 919013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366298054 425063 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1366298212 881823 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366298481 42979 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366298911 938435 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366299051 919532 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1366299342 915894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366299662 568275 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366300097 653999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :18.16:54:37 fizzie | Those are both laptops, I'd like to upgrade my desktop compumator too. There's more dick space in it, for one thing. < 1366300108 50702 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that an intentional choice of words? < 1366300133 29810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck compumator < 1366300133 784580 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1366300488 918290 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366300513 853165 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366300539 579852 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366300634 997283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes. < 1366300643 42624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Though it's also true literally. < 1366300663 558400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hesitate to stick a dick in the laptop. < 1366300684 474695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe the desktop too, all those spinning fans. < 1366300713 720518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the spinning fans < 1366300715 208122 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them < 1366300862 137526 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it the mythbusters way and stick a ballistic gel dick in your various machines. < 1366300984 482822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters, shouldn't they be starting 2013 episodes one of these days? < 1366301069 173346 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366301104 537461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you use ballistic gel to approximate a dick anyway < 1366301296 811336 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1366301492 224227 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that sounds like a question for the Mythbusters < 1366301529 934108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps a little risqu� for the american market? < 1366301577 607910 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a question for Brainiac: Science Abuse < 1366301580 967688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they still make that? < 1366301584 269056 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they do < 1366301606 512902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1366301625 79931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i met dr bunhead once and he was just like "yeah i mean it's all bullshit" < 1366301651 465961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that the show where they faked the alkali metal thing? < 1366301658 611838 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366301670 726881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366301673 996089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the only thing I know about it. < 1366301714 289260 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1366301755 5821 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched brainiac once < 1366301758 181129 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty weird. < 1366301780 647947 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1366301845 272112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The entire left-most column of the periodic table (not counting hydrogen) is composed of elements that are great fun to throw in a lake --" interesting way of classifying elements. < 1366301858 363646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And who's to say throwing some hydrogen in a lake wouldn't be fun? < 1366301888 171706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, the way it works out is that the explosive potential peaks at sodium and potassium < 1366301896 926452 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One, two, three! Oh, it just floated away" < 1366301920 157972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because rubidium and caesium are less dense and have a higher molar mass, so they produce less hydrogen < 1366301999 289101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that's what mendeleev had in mind < 1366302210 330874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This unpredictability makes sodium arguably the most dangerous of the alkali metals in inexperienced hands (soon to be inexperienced stumps)." This page has a tone. < 1366302286 435172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aD6HwUE2c0 also < 1366302479 199761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366302520 154273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this also means that all the "so if you put francium into water it would BLOW UP ALL THE THINGS EVER" line of thinking is completely wrong) < 1366302800 96766 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366302837 305516 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366303192 570745 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366303362 195934 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366303400 219177 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366303991 968335 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366304803 624378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you've got liquid hydrogen I dare-say it'd be quite fun. < 1366305026 851537 :btiffin!~btiffin@99.240.146.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366305110 884308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1366305436 468989 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366305708 889982 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366306439 462559 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1366306631 566374 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366306638 542613 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1366306945 9743 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366306970 861715 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366306984 241742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first tools for solving such equations were provided by Scott using his inverse < 1366306987 720621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit constructions [33]. Later he showed how the inverse limits could be entirely < 1366306990 725793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoided by using a universal domain and the ordinary least fixed point construction < 1366306993 752083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[34]. < 1366306996 232518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha!! < 1366307044 536217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data types as lattices here i go < 1366307110 311991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. this is lame < 1366308753 62699 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366309102 274469 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e835.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366309655 680369 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French spam is back on the wiki! < 1366309721 4023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, since feb. 15 you can get metal goats. sounds interesting. < 1366309847 906413 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the French spam make more or less sense than the average English spam < 1366309910 492174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. it's like fungot, but with a better and clearer markov-chainy feel. < 1366309910 723594 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks for the link < 1366309923 36200 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I ain't linked nothing yet, you baka! < 1366309923 707568 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: another way, did you know... just lazy i guess you wouldn't know about many books that i here are " it isn't an illusion, you are duplicating effort. < 1366309939 136874 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oh. sorry. my bad! < 1366309939 552249 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: so chicken is very practical, ie it gets your work done early then that means the probability is the absolute limit < 1366309964 345054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you eat chicken? < 1366309964 572647 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd be an fnord < 1366309980 327242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1366309980 522718 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1366309980 522897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken is good, but pork is better. < 1366309991 268960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pork pork pork < 1366310004 169010 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: rainy today, don't you think? < 1366310004 696742 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: time it before and somehow got the impression that the latest aol " 1099 hours free" cds come in are neat in themselves. < 1366310026 102782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's a lot of hours < 1366310026 576746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: my own one, and i ran against a wall, then back to new tabs on the other < 1366310043 877480 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1366310045 3482 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 181800Z 13020KT 15SM FEW030 OVC057 07/03 A3006 RMK SC1SC7 PRESFR SLP180 < 1366310051 930449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read 'metal ghosts' < 1366310052 767007 :impomatic!~john_metc@87.115.210.249 PART #esoteric :"http://corewar.co.uk " < 1366310066 983751 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, any good? < 1366310150 878178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that i read something someone said above as 'metal ghosts' < 1366310166 347977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal ghosts would be a good name for something < 1366310216 436046 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that someone would be me, I think. < 1366310243 926562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd like metal goats better < 1366310245 287966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still prefer the goat version. less dangerous, and conforms to walls and (usually) don't try to pass through them. < 1366310256 314806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: great to see I'm not alone. < 1366310497 286834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a metal ghost passes through your computer, does the computer crash < 1366310544 588410 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1366310568 231906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the metal from the ghost conduct electricity? < 1366310861 786942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EFHK < 1366310862 857833 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 181820Z 19017KT 9999 -RA OVC030 09/06 Q1000 TEMPO 6000 RA < 1366310911 488528 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will I ever get in trouble for understanding a monoid as a Haskell Monoid? < 1366310921 235827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's -RA'ing, and I guess the trend is RA too? < 1366310952 36780 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, a TEMPO means a temporary change. < 1366310966 857718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a monoid is just a one-object category! < 1366310986 369253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a zero-object category be < 1366311007 588444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT < 1366311008 205313 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 181820Z 25020G30KT 9999 FEW017 SCT025 09/04 Q1005 < 1366311074 314207 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: «Temporary fluctuation in some of the elements lasting for periods of < 1366311076 756275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 minutes or more but not longer than one hour with each instance and does < 1366311078 761580 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cover more than half of the total period indicated by HHHH.» < 1366311094 529135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :25020G30KT -> wind direction 250 degrees, 20 knots, up to 30 in gusts? < 1366311110 983383 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-169.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1366311136 610897 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exactly. < 1366311167 893432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what the 9999 is. Visibility? < 1366311203 126876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they sneak in nonsense tokens to expose the outsiders < 1366311250 127621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ground visibility. 9999 means nothing to worry about. < 1366311259 25559 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, isn't that supposed to be how society began or something < 1366311275 42364 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with north american METARs, you may see something like 24 or 30SM. < 1366311275 237660 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense? probably. < 1366311277 430367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four nines silver. < 1366311278 993083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1366311279 938041 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 181800Z 13020KT 15SM FEW030 OVC057 07/03 A3006 RMK SC1SC7 PRESFR SLP180 < 1366311297 40797 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a delicious PRESFR! < 1366311313 947251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A3006 was in sillyunits? < 1366311323 831365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There was a discussion.) < 1366311394 26343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :millimetres of mercury. < 1366311397 552469 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no. inches. < 1366311399 664389 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse. < 1366311446 429349 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one atmosphere at 25 °C is 29.97 inHg. < 1366311456 984566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the temperature was still in Celsius. < 1366311606 105186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the SC1SC7 at CYUL? < 1366311659 812327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one okta of stratocumulus at 3000' and seven oktas of the same at 5700'. < 1366311693 814315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's an addition to the FEW030 OVC057 part? < 1366311708 136778 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1366311781 704692 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366311900 967934 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in a zero object category you'd have no arrows either "it'd be pretty boring" < 1366311986 117920 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1366312599 746824 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366312875 554545 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1366313199 109338 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366314409 172936 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, nooodl: wouldn't a zero-object category be an initial object in Cat? i.e. there's a functor from it to every other small category < 1366314425 530520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might make it a bit less boring < 1366314439 496193 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I'm mostly curious if I got things wrong or not < 1366314464 699203 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I have no idea < 1366314469 728072 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's right < 1366314474 567066 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, the category of all small categories with functors as morphisms has the empty category as initial object ... < 1366314583 516278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it depends what you mean by "Haskell monoid". there's nothing in the language to check that your Monoid instance satisfies the laws < 1366314624 932032 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, assuming total functions, a Haskell monoid satisfies closure at least < 1366314637 247392 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that... < 1366314641 89701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then... < 1366314650 249640 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type + _|_ I think has to be closed? < 1366314655 56519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1366314677 49442 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm not quite sure what I'm saying < 1366314698 421087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't check that mempty is the identity of mappend, or that mappend is associative < 1366314708 769711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you write «instance Monoid Foo» then you are only really claiming to satisfy the laws for non-⊥ elements of Foo < 1366314725 38850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe even only for elements of Foo that don't contain a ⊥ anywhere < 1366314734 222973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell programmers usually gloss over these issues when talking about typeclass laws < 1366314792 369361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll often have a situation where (⊥ `mappend` mempty) ≠ ⊥, as well < 1366314815 283551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined `mappend` () :: () < 1366314816 799198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1366314919 546692 :btiffin!~btiffin@99.240.146.105 PART :#esoteric < 1366314954 457644 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366315015 741477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast and loose reasoning is morally correct ect. < 1366315022 500267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i've never read that paper but i can cite it anyway and also im so fuckign tired < 1366315123 328545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ooh, how do you do the bottom symbol < 1366315149 494986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do Compose B B with my ~/.XCompose < 1366315173 289742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/kmcallister/math-compose < 1366315238 276816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :�magical� < 1366315333 186357 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366315384 607270 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow : "∙" U2219 < 1366315391 259419 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awkward < 1366315438 465025 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ < 1366315513 159125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a 1h documentary about alan davies measuring the length of a piece of string < 1366315528 614467 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :� < 1366315541 226133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've just remembered how fun the Alt Gr key can be) < 1366315662 483073 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be watching some sort of US news comedy show < 1366315677 794672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1366315681 291268 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1366315684 971740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Stephen Colbert < 1366315686 981233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the daily show < 1366315688 963231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with jon stewart < 1366315697 438827 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1366315713 547785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some guy with grey hair and a purple-ish tie < 1366315736 306537 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be him < 1366315741 616751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpr.berkeley.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jon-stewart.jpg ? < 1366315777 540148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to a filming of the daily show in new york < 1366315796 167858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's free to go < 1366315798 76956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer Chaser's War on Everything < 1366315801 776349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the studio is a lot smaller than i thought < 1366315814 979794 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's even more fun if you override the third- and fourth-level mappings with custom characters < 1366315817 278970 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as foreign political comedy goes < 1366315833 455001 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ∀ on altgr+shift+å for instance < 1366315838 179329 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ∧ on altgr+å < 1366315849 884192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a � key < 1366315855 277114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :my å key is on qwerty q < 1366315870 244430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/firefly/dotfiles/src/ed6758e4b8a0de448992b44ac5bc18705bb18469/xkb/firefly.symbols?at=default#cl-15 < 1366315895 857839 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My alt-gr q has a spare @ < 1366315908 642099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '@' = '@' < 1366315910 300245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: parse error on input `=' < 1366315912 106926 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '@' == '@' < 1366315913 74169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: I like both. < 1366315913 859808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1366315920 184357 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the Daily Show < 1366315932 572333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy just got called some variant of John < 1366315937 411030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my q key displays a spare @ but makes a spare ä < 1366315943 583310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :åbčdəffγhijĸlmn°pqrßtŭ∨w×y↯ < 1366315958 122174 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :áb©ðéfghíïœøµñóöäëßþú®åœüæ < 1366315974 216221 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :攢ðœŋħ→ijĸŀµʼnøþ¶ßŧ↓“łx←z < 1366316009 830810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@łe¶ŧ←↓→øþæßðđŋħł«»¢“”nµ < 1366316010 25704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1366316032 531323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@łe¶ŧ < 1366316032 871638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1366316044 282756 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ΩŁŒ®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞƧЪŊĦIJĿZX©‘’♪º < 1366316084 505432 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my dad picked up the remote and flicked. < 1366316089 298266 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am no longer watching the Daily Show < 1366316103 542497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went full force with xmodmap a few weeks ago: http://pastebin.com/BJm2a9kG < 1366316110 697328 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually watch it online, it's easier that way < 1366316120 22635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... well and also I don't have cable, so < 1366316135 900625 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think satellite's more common in the UK? < 1366316147 614746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have them all free on the official website, I think < 1366316169 65279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only for US IP addresses < 1366316176 110016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have them on Hulu which is definitely IP-restricted < 1366316176 904159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use zz for ↯ much? < 1366316217 365785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, that's true... I'm not sure if comedy central does geoblocking < 1366316230 31776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i forgot about it but I'll try to use it more now that I've remembered < 1366316271 516029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comedy central do < 1366316286 896995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a uk website now but afaict it doesn't have `the goods' on it < 1366316315 928806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :əß©ð€fŋhıjĸlµño¶q®šþuvw×yž is what comes out of altgr-{a..z} here. < 1366316326 597851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the daily show is shown daily on more 4 but i haven't watched it in years) < 1366316330 418592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, that was meant to be fizzie: < 1366316403 957029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I'm worried I'm trapped in a positive feedback loop that is driving my political compass increasingly south-west < 1366316407 108367 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide which one of fizzie or FireFly has the most esoteric available character (w/o using compose) < 1366316475 402314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, towards cornwall??? < 1366316478 941051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards wales? < 1366316487 493458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, towards south cumbria, currently < 1366316498 834209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they a bunch of farmers < 1366316506 577 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even as far south as Blackpool < 1366316555 764019 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a sentence fragment ais523 never dreamed of hearing) < 1366316766 502465 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1366316774 840585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windemere seems to be roughly south-west from here < 1366316813 375321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1366316818 150607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackpool is indeed south of my whole country < 1366316820 183731 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely south of alleged canada as well < 1366316838 934859 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's north of, eg, Toronto < 1366316861 6385 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes indeed < 1366316880 714619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :toronto is a further 10 degrees south even < 1366316906 46509 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern canada is strangely south. and manages to be friggin cold at the same time. < 1366316910 825789 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's north of Calgary < 1366316941 372098 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Lake Windermere < 1366316949 182949 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :calgary is 51°, blackpool is 53. < 1366316988 962386 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so you are east of hexham's middle, northeast from lake windermere. < 1366317029 205703 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Windermere is pretty long < 1366317036 521937 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am in the east of Hexham < 1366317053 358080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: alleged? < 1366317057 63917 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada is more than alleged! < 1366317059 670876 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the error margin is pretty large. meh :/ < 1366317066 967633 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: proof? < 1366317073 541392 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I've been there < 1366317084 31016 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you say < 1366317116 61183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* uhm... if I may say so, I *think* I am there, now. like, I'm pretty sure. < 1366317172 478381 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I followed this map: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Canada-ItsUpThere.gif < 1366317201 732132 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a non-null chance of you falling into the Great Lakes, mind you. < 1366317218 750868 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you had any drowning experiences or adventures in the past? < 1366317229 650424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366317255 505963 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends drowned to death once < 1366317257 680259 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She got better < 1366317502 122705 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1366317604 8081 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually true story) < 1366317696 552050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not the drowning to death part < 1366318240 904868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an unconventional definition of death Taneb < 1366318252 364797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no heartbeat < 1366318260 847720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: your (female, at least) friends seem to have terrible luck < 1366318280 53731 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, most of my anecdotes are about one friend < 1366318284 912550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not all that unconventional. See e.g. Christianity. < 1366318293 751356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, she has really terrible luck. < 1366318312 193316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there was that other guy who got hit by a car and died and got better < 1366318331 385150 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the head injury female friend is someone else completely < 1366318358 71585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have about three friends who have bad luck like that < 1366318360 425765 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 have died < 1366318361 407545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the grim darkness of the far north there is only bodily harm < 1366318369 301701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikr < 1366318381 377450 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday evening I bashed my knee and I think it's bruised < 1366318390 503627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takneeb < 1366318411 376141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was some hebrew thing for a second < 1366318412 356366 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you kill it knee and it got better too? < 1366318413 699599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like wat < 1366318429 558402 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a nice scar on my knee, result of an accident involving a flowerbed and a car being washed. < 1366318437 363145 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, alas, no < 1366318447 863075 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a children's playground < 1366318452 127489 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was a big climby thing < 1366318456 267388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paedo < 1366318470 728496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The youngest person there was 18, Phantom_Hoover. < 1366318479 551087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I climbed the big climby thing < 1366318488 763335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I climbed down the big climby thing < 1366318489 593375 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of you paedos < 1366318499 806447 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I tripped on the big climby thing and hit my knee < 1366318522 356136 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ok i don't want to be your friend anymore < 1366318536 924399 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, why not? < 1366318537 772457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the youth of hexham struggle to find what joy they can < 1366318544 598980 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems potentially fatal < 1366318556 812388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is moving to California anyway. Isn't that right? < 1366318558 491057 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those deaths was before I knew them < 1366318561 866778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempting to regress to a more innocent time, Taneb only wounds himself further < 1366318566 558438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, maybe, in about 6 years < 1366318573 349226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant tomorrow. < 1366318578 749490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely < 1366318584 101941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you go to california < 1366318587 420142 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a party to attend on Saturday in Hexham < 1366318587 614989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems annoying < 1366318591 239659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the place to be? < 1366318597 451065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are parties in California, Taneb. < 1366318598 376798 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: *before* you knew them? did you retroactively kill then unkill one of your friends? < 1366318608 854912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :party?? or a bunch of you standing around in a leaky shed < 1366318609 512041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no, this was an accidental drowning < 1366318619 668833 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is too hot, IMHO. < 1366318635 196741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Which part? < 1366318646 464565 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part that's hotter than boily < 1366318651 502677 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because boily sounds like boiling < 1366318653 371488 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means hot < 1366318655 214991 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1366318656 865519 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1366318658 200272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, do all the old people tell you how all hope died the day they close t' pit < 1366318662 275360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closed < 1366318679 113284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nah, that mainly happens in the places where there was coal < 1366318682 266034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: in french it's probably pronounced something more like boahlee, and it can mean anything < 1366318688 666419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even worse < 1366318689 523129 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're on sandstone and sheep here < 1366318692 516612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over 100°? I don't think it gets that hot even in Death Valley. < 1366318696 726326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never had t' pit in the first place < 1366318706 24696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's named Death Valley after Taneb's friends. < 1366318706 356395 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bwalee perhaps < 1366318731 877000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! No-one close to me has ever died while they were close to me! < 1366318750 467342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're clustering around you for protection? < 1366318757 482099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would explain a lot < 1366318762 321583 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1366318764 606726 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366318769 591333 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a note to stay as far away from taneb as possible
< 1366318784 312242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, would you rather die and not come back? < 1366318793 649167 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to die :< < 1366318808 167546 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sometimes wish you never were born at all? < 1366318828 165147 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... ;-; < 1366318837 547595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :u-um... maybe a few times but not often or something < 1366318884 868283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, look on the bright side, you weren't born in hexham < 1366318899 628213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, neither me nor elliott were actually born in Hexham < 1366318899 823327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham, California < 1366318931 522470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Hexham%2C+Irvine%2C+Orange%2C+CA+92603 < 1366318932 332027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366318936 995265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*born near hexh-- wait you're from australia anyway < 1366318950 172349 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was born 23 miles away from Hexham < 1366318959 302463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have you ever worked out where elliott lives i refuse to believe nobody in hexham has heard of him) < 1366318981 9987 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I found one person who used to know him) < 1366319006 183930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that person knew a different elliott hird who also lived in hexham < 1366319013 552854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bolded for what the fuck universe) < 1366319014 920088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was someone else < 1366319024 450481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the person who drowned, as it happens < 1366319029 587488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexh++ < 1366319042 819909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, it was facekicker who drowned?? < 1366319051 681786 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1366319058 249194 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person whose face was kicked < 1366319058 444319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: How come you and elliott haven't met? < 1366319060 916295 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facekickee < 1366319075 151385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, this is what i am trying to establish < 1366319077 398987 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, an endless stream of coincidences and also elliott never goes outside ever < 1366319111 19877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did the person who did know him say < 1366319119 672628 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a bit odd < 1366319126 185508 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how small is hexham anyway? < 1366319135 749934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just under 12000 people < 1366319136 720053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14,000 people iirc < 1366319150 322084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha the town i lived in was smaller < 1366319151 297781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1366319160 450187 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, did elliott live ther? < 1366319160 940891 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1366319166 957483 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we stalking elliott :< < 1366319172 730366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but a mathematician lived there < 1366319175 727484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1366319183 477520 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, was that mathematician you < 1366319188 628051 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, no, we're discussing the Hexham coincidence < 1366319193 422519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, i'm sorry do you even get how ridiculous this whole situation is < 1366319193 617188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I look like a mathematician to you? < 1366319212 238410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm off to bed now < 1366319213 613986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1366319222 443756 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366320532 641209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game is set in the fictitious, floating town of Hekseville --" is that also about Hexham? I'm sure that's about Hexham. < 1366320953 558544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1366321075 54859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-194-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366321798 405337 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-169.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1366323061 886354 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366323691 366746 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366323694 903953 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366323769 299594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/04/18/west_texas_fertilizer_plant_blast_map.jpg ok wow i never realised quite how stupid that layout is < 1366324014 442876 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, someone needs to send that zoner to go play simcity, you don't put industrial zones next to residential zones! < 1366324049 642077 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of late you don't put industrial zones anywhere *badum-tssh* < 1366324076 394997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that shitty joke works on multiple levels < 1366324609 815701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366324659 197512 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366324699 513777 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366324724 40644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if what my boss said about common web security practice is true, but if it is, I hate everything < 1366324753 513789 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366324766 40797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did your boss say < 1366324782 978126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: zoning? in texas? :) < 1366324805 877888 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366324831 225793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That beyond just sanitation when doing things like sending data in URLs, it's typical to validate at the controller to strip out special characters if they're known to not be present < 1366324834 613335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In valid data < 1366324890 900950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid data can always be corrupted or modified < 1366324910 15811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But special characters should be encoded, not rejected, imo < 1366324933 229265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or processed by the service if the service needs to talk over the wire to something, etc. < 1366325011 655689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rejecting "weird" data can save you when the other 200 layers of your rube goldberg web service inevitably do everything wrong < 1366325032 53867 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shame for all the O'Somethings in the world though < 1366325048 37516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366325064 724906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UriComponentsBuilder sucks < 1366325076 16813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a proper type system you could enforce escaping < 1366325106 632335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK for a few hours; getting inducted into an honor society < 1366325110 124376 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you've got a large piece of software in a language where everything string-like is a string < 1366325123 615176 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366325211 952584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Java sucks therefore static types suck < 1366325217 832245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MySQL sucks therefore relational databases suck < 1366325225 231630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366325225 425992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python threads suck therefore all threads suck < 1366325306 390205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even responding to < 1366325340 172567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world < 1366325364 771345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also the message right before mine where FreeFull mentioned types... < 1366325437 311894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you getting an x's y sucks therefore all y sucks vibe from that < 1366325502 154503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't accusing FreeFull of having this attitude < 1366325522 323636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would summarize FreeFull's claim as "languages with good types could solve this problem, but they aren't used in webdev" < 1366325553 522889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was elaborating on why and tying it to other attitudes common in webdev communities < 1366325558 371356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that have a similar form of overgeneralization < 1366325586 83107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that does make sense < 1366325604 576420 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does get used in webdev but it's nowhere as mainstream as ruby < 1366325613 565826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366325625 197057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programmers think of types as like, int vs. double < 1366325638 691085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something annoying you have to write out yourself, which exists to help the machine a bit but doesn't help much in finding errors < 1366325653 687406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could enforce escaping using objects < 1366325677 35351 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the programmer needs to think to have a HTML object rather than just a string < 1366325715 166060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think libraries and APIs might not be helping out < 1366325739 887197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1366325756 443105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have types richer than "string" then it is hard to get all the libraries on the same page about them < 1366325758 841425 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.138.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366325761 370542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big problem in the Haskell world as well < 1366325822 284728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there are like six JSON libraries and six conduit/pipe libraries and etc. < 1366325868 897414 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1366325914 88773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even String vs [Word8] vs ByteString vs Text is still a big source of impedence mismatch < 1366325918 780426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with haskell is that the default records are an afterthought < 1366325956 43777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is... not the only problem with Haskell < 1366325978 991512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simplify things too much < 1366326009 242505 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Word8] and ByteString seem to me like they'd be more for binary data than for text < 1366326021 190063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366326033 573162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people are perpetually confused about the difference between binary data and text < 1366326046 91357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ByteString existed long before Text, aiui < 1366326059 946788 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366326070 653369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a while if you wanted decent performance, you would use ByteString with UTF-8 < 1366326085 192733 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1366326088 29159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just assume that only Americans use your software < 1366326092 732808 :monqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :mnoqy < 1366326141 212850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that Americans never need anything more than ASCII < 1366326155 844353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not true either < 1366326183 701173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366326203 689503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if lambdabot is getting updates < 1366326231 991991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I still love the idea of ada-like types, like where you can say the valid ranges of a type < 1366326269 949400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: For example? < 1366326275 745424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I wish Haskell had that < 1366326291 127849 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"type Integer_1 is range 1 .. 10;" < 1366326296 269549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependently-typed languages generalize that, but maybe in a way that's not so nice to work with < 1366326304 479885 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me of Pascal < 1366326338 274499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada does that thing where it kind of encourages you to write code that's very well specified through its types, I think < 1366326342 763775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like haskell but maybe moreso? < 1366326352 629729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it can detect logic errors at compile time more easily, and runtime too I think? < 1366326362 553690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : type Short is range -128 .. +127; < 1366326363 35316 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : type Byte is mod 256; < 1366326364 530452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's cool < 1366326373 521198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes... sense < 1366326393 297968 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Color is (Red, Green, Blue); type Intensity is range 0 .. 255; < 1366326393 824456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Colored_Point is array (Color) of Intensity; < 1366326417 89728 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is really similar to Pascal < 1366326458 365457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Pascal copied it from Ada or vice versa < 1366326505 955131 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says Ada was developed ~1977-83, while Pascal was published in 1970? < 1366326520 564727 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366326551 309233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know how much Pascal changed over time though < 1366326584 810805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really know almost nothing about either thoguh < 1366326595 796871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada was briefly the SgeoLang < 1366326628 396179 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada seems really interesting though < 1366326735 113066 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366326798 875464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Pascal, in a type section you could say something like Color = (Red, Green, Blue); Intensity = 0..255; ColoredPoint = array [Red..Blue] of Intensity < 1366326816 421176 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitalisation optional < 1366326821 529067 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366328994 843725 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366329009 36321 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366329057 636438 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had the best idea, markov chain replies to phishing scams < 1366329131 413135 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the phishers have to figure out whether they are talking to a person or not, it makes their job more difficult < 1366329165 38208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ada was briefly the SgeoLang < 1366329168 488988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it? < 1366329183 292055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only remember shachaf incessantly telling Sgeo he should learn it < 1366329220 694320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my first language was pascal. i try not to remember)