00:03:46 -!- Tod-Autojoined has joined. 00:04:14 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:05:39 i did the AP CS course in C++ 00:05:45 which they only had for a few years, between Pascal and Java 00:06:53 geez, you're lucky. I took it in Java >_< 00:07:06 I still have faint memories (more like nightmares) of the marine biology simulation 00:07:35 i think Java is a much better choice than C++ for that course 00:07:59 I guess maybe. I was just finding it hard to imagine it could get much worse <.< 00:08:03 heh 00:08:14 I am really glad I was interested in programming before and had some experience 00:08:17 because like, if I hadn't 00:08:22 that course would have basically ensured I never did CS 00:08:54 C++ is a terrible beginner language: no memory safety, manual resource management, tons of bizarre syntax, tons of conflicting advice on which part of the language to use 00:09:05 I guess so I'm still so bad at C++ 00:09:08 when I learned C++ they told us to use char* and arrays instead of STL for some reason 00:09:52 have i told you guys yet about my school's computing lessons 00:09:57 no 00:10:03 they were in javascript 00:10:11 run on ie5 00:10:14 for mac 00:10:23 in 2010 00:10:26 C++ is a great esolang. 00:10:35 (actually I think it was like. the awfulness of high school CS made me want to go to college for physics because physics was cool and then I ended up going back to CS because I was horrible at physics) 00:10:37 Phantom_Hoover: Wow. 00:11:03 they had firefox and safari on all the computers 00:11:10 but no, we used ie5 for mac 00:11:29 long, long ago, i used ie5 for mac for my web browsing 00:11:39 it could not display PNGs 00:12:38 5.0 for Mac is the version that added PNG support. :P 00:13:07 And oddly enough, actually did it right. 00:14:27 you're undermining my world here pikhq_ 00:21:48 Phantom_Hoover: did I tell you about Macintosh russian roulette 00:21:56 no 00:22:22 we did AP CS in C++ on Macs running OS 9 which has no memory protection 00:22:39 so I came up with this program which, every time you hit Enter, pokes a random value to a random location in memory 00:22:44 and we would take turns hitting Enter 00:22:50 whoever makes the program crash loses 00:22:58 or usually, the whole computer 00:23:37 please tell me someone worked out a way to win by gaming the rng 00:23:41 heh 00:23:44 no :/ 00:24:31 did anything crazy happen or did the computer just die 00:24:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:24:43 nothing particularly crazy, usually it would just freeze up 00:24:48 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:25:01 in the Java VM breakout "pointing a heatlamp at the RAM sticks" paper, they reported permafucking the OS a significant number of times 00:25:03 which I find surprising 00:25:10 like, requiring a reinstall 00:25:40 what does grilled ram have to do with java vm breakouts 00:25:52 it was about exploiting random bit flips to escape the sandbox 00:26:03 that was an amazing paper 00:26:15 did you read about how the gameboy color (I think?) ROM was eventually dumped? 00:26:17 http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/memerr.pdf 00:26:40 also not to be missed: 'bitsquatting', where you register DNS names one bit off from popular websites, and harvest people's cookies 00:26:49 Fiora: no, what did they do? 00:26:50 it was done with this insane hack where the guy basically did the same kind of "bash at the hardware externally" trick to get it to do something 00:26:55 * Fiora finds it 00:27:13 http://www.fpgb.org/?page_id=17 00:27:24 -!- mnoqy has changed nick to monqy. 00:27:34 -!- monqy has changed nick to mnoqy. 00:28:04 hypothesis. mnoqy isn't the real monqy 00:28:07 it's a really cool article, but the meat of it is basically setting up a gigantic nop sled in external memory, then glitching the clock and voltage to try to get the instruction pointer to end up in external memory when it isn't supposed to be 00:28:46 oh so that's why i didn't get those lambdabot messages. i changed my name too fast and lambdabot sent them off to the wrong nick 00:28:48 woahhh 00:28:50 combined with a ton of crazy reverse engineering and thousands of wires soldered to the board XD 00:28:51 i'll have to read this 00:28:53 dear elliott: stop fucking sending messages to monqy 00:29:07 so the issue here is that the boot ROM is part of the CPU itself and can't easily be interrogated from the outside? 00:29:38 Yeah -- for the original gameboy the ROM didn't get dumped until someone literally took an electron microscope to it 00:29:41 *one 00:29:43 (got to go semi-afk but will definitely read this later) 00:29:44 and read off the bits one by on 00:30:10 so this was like. -easier- 00:30:28 what are the hyphens there meant to represent 00:32:05 emphasis? emotion? 00:32:39 I guess emphasis? 00:33:00 kmc: a similar cool thing I remember reading about was the project to reverse engineer all the coprocessor chips on SNES cartridges 00:33:25 http://byuu.org/articles/emulation/snes-coprocessors oh, here's that! 00:33:53 the people involved in this stuff are just. superhuman though 00:33:55 "segher got involved and reconstructed the entire instruction set just from looking at the binary data and HLE code" 00:34:20 "Cydrak recognized the ISA just from looking at the binary" 00:34:53 "[these] are heavily protected against having their program ROMs read out. For these, Dr. Decapitator had to decap the chips, and read the ROM data directly off of the chips internally" 00:41:03 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 00:47:48 -!- trout has changed nick to constant. 01:01:46 -!- Gregor has quit (Excess Flood). 01:02:30 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:03:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:04:40 -!- Bike has joined. 01:22:18 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:22:51 -!- elliott_ has joined. 01:30:21 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:50:53 -!- Zerker has joined. 01:55:00 shachaf: hi there in ##crypto 01:55:14 yawg 01:55:30 I used to be there but it was mostly not very good as I remember, but maybe it's good now. 01:56:02 doubtful 02:00:56 hi mnoqy 02:01:00 hey 02:01:02 mind if i call you.................... yqnom 02:01:09 i dont have that on hilite 02:01:09 what's this "hey" business about 02:01:18 it's a greeting in usa 02:01:30 maybe in the south 02:01:33 that's where you are right 02:01:40 im in the west 02:01:57 coastal 02:01:57 the west is the best 02:02:08 how coastal are we talkin' 02:02:31 hey are you trying to stalk me again!! 02:03:02 coastal as in "california is up against the ocean not some of that 'midwest' nonsense" 02:03:03 no not really should i??????? 02:03:09 dont stalk me 02:04:44 oh 02:04:47 i wasn't 02:04:57 ok 02:06:02 mnoqy: so how is mac lane doing 02:07:07 i think he died 02:07:16 yeah 02:07:28 i'm still neckdeep in monoids 02:08:00 i think today i read about constructing free monoids? or was that yesterday 02:09:32 so far theres only been brief mention about monads on a cat. C being monoids in C^C or w/e it is 02:11:36 -!- xitrix has joined. 02:16:09 -!- xitrix has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:28:14 http://montereybayaquarium.tumblr.com/image/47866677088 awwwwwww 02:32:34 awwww 02:32:47 i was gearing up for it being a dolphin or some shit 02:33:48 what, fuck you 02:33:53 cuttlefish are awesome 02:34:15 i know 02:34:22 dolphins are smug fucks though 02:34:22 you and your mammal-centric worldview 02:34:25 true 02:34:30 it cannot be denied 02:34:55 kmc do you not remember i was the one saying we should uplift cuttlefish 02:35:02 also dolphins never have to write Berkeley Sockets code which is another advantage they have over humans 02:35:54 let's be fair neither do cuttlefish 02:35:59 yet 02:36:40 yes but ive never stood on a cuttlefish 02:39:58 Well, Java has URI and URL types 02:40:12 But I don't know how good they are at enforcing the proper type of thinking 02:40:27 If "the" way to create a URI involves escaping query parameters 02:40:31 for example 02:50:51 Is something wrong with Linode? 02:53:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:54:39 they got haxed 02:56:14 should i switch from linode to somethingelse 02:56:14 ifMUD is hosted in Linode, and sometimes I can connect to it from some computers but not from other computers, and on some computers it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't works, even though other people say then can connect fine from their side. 03:13:55 -!- Tod-Autojoined has changed nick to TodPunk. 03:13:59 shit is getting real 03:14:03 cop shot at MIT, a couple blocks from my house 03:14:07 suspect at large 03:14:44 sound real 03:15:16 helicopters everywhere 03:15:43 im glad my life isnt this real idk how id handle it 03:17:01 wow 03:17:19 kmc: you need to pull out your RPG and jump into the melee 03:17:32 if only I had an RPG 03:17:40 isn't the key to stopping violence to arm more people? 03:17:48 sometimes I'm like "Fuck, America is full of crazy people with guns, I should get some guns myself" 03:17:53 stupid prisoner's dilemma 03:17:55 that guy would've thought twice had he known kmc was sitting around with an RPG 03:17:58 yep 03:21:43 kmc: have you considered moving to epa 03:21:59 no 03:22:01 i mean yes 03:22:07 good choice 03:23:04 mnoqy: how real is y our life 03:23:11 not very real at all, really 03:23:26 are you even alive 03:23:34 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 03:23:36 …good question 03:24:13 let's vote 03:24:20 i vote that mnoqy is a bot 03:24:40 ok 03:24:54 anyone else 03:38:26 if you put your fingers in front of your mouth like you're making a zoidberg face, cuttlefish will recognize it when you mimic their movements, your eight fingers are just like their eight arms 03:45:01 good idea 03:53:10 hm.. pathethos (παθητός): “one who has suffered" 03:54:22 ^rot13 pathetos 03:54:23 cngurgbf 03:54:57 ^rot13 morgoth 03:54:57 zbetbgu 03:55:41 wait, a cop got shot? i knew there was a shooting but 03:56:31 wait was that part of the void kampf test? 03:56:49 no 03:56:52 and it's voight 03:57:02 yeah, cop shot at MIT 03:57:10 in front of the Stata Center 03:57:29 kmc: Keep safe man. 03:57:49 thanks 03:57:57 gotta stay inside and drink additional beers 03:58:46 is it true that noam chomsky is the shooter 03:59:08 lol bike 04:00:16 Bike: i heard that on reddit 04:00:35 so it's probably true 04:00:50 is that a real theory 04:01:35 what is an unreal theory 04:01:43 good question 04:01:49 relatedly i was listening to talk radio a while ago. this was a bad idea 04:02:01 radio head 04:02:14 you know how the FBI released photos of suspects for Boston? some guy was on talking about how they were "chalky" illegals 04:02:37 chalky?? 04:02:53 i dunno he was really pissed that they were white 04:03:03 so he uh, said they were some other kind of white? i dunno it's hard to pay attention to that shit 04:03:12 would he rather they be....not white? 04:03:25 i dont understand life 04:03:39 the cop died :( 04:03:46 :( 04:03:59 aw 04:04:15 :( 04:04:37 http://emergency.mit.net/emergency/ well i'm glad they're giving updates 04:13:11 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:43:05 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 04:47:56 -!- mnoqy has joined. 04:48:09 -!- Zerker has joined. 04:51:30 kmc: sounds like crazy shit going on there 04:51:40 yep 04:51:44 MIT perps have made it to Watertown and are engaged in a shootout with the police 04:52:04 oh geez >_< 04:52:11 dang 04:52:11 they may or may not have grenades o_O 04:52:15 @____@ 04:52:15 Unknown command, try @list 04:52:25 oh kmc did you see the SNES thing 04:52:33 no 04:53:04 from sigbovik? 04:53:11 imo read sigbovik (i still haven't) 04:53:38 oh sorry, I posted about it above but I guess you were away, right 04:53:57 it was reverse engineering SNES game coprocessors 04:54:53 confirmed explosives now, apparently 04:54:57 http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/6254/web 04:56:10 "RT @universalhub Police proceding as if Watertown suspects are Marathon suspects" 04:56:54 so... what does that mean for what they're actually doing 04:57:09 "WE WILL KILL THEM SUPER DEAD" 04:57:25 wouldn't that fuck up the investigation 04:57:35 doesn't matter, they killed a cop 04:59:40 chances are they're not gonna get caught 05:00:36 -!- kmc has set topic: Hello, good evening, and REMAIN INDOORS! | I am making the world better by CONFUSING THE SQUARES | Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 05:07:24 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:09:53 shit is crazy 05:10:11 "boston has seceded" 05:11:14 as best as I can piece together: They shot a cop at MIT, carjacked a car to get away, got some miles west, then started throwing explosives at cops 05:11:26 that's insane 05:11:54 christ, what 05:12:23 i 05:12:27 whyy...... 05:13:10 listening to police scanner is probably a bad idea 05:13:21 i should just go to sleep, hopefully not get blown up 05:13:29 >_< are you close by? 05:13:35 not really 05:13:36 police scanner sounds cool 05:13:44 edwardk is right near there 05:13:52 i'm close to where the cop got shot but further from the current scene of the action 05:13:59 oh yeah 05:14:20 kmc: I've seen people saying that the original shooter is not one of the carjackers and is still unaccounted for, so don't go outside still 05:16:05 yes i will stay inside until I run out of beer and food 05:16:09 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:16:14 :) 05:16:29 it's times like these that I think I should get some guns to counteract all the crazy people with guns 05:16:32 stupid prisoner's dilemmas 05:18:11 probably wouldn't help 05:18:17 yeah 05:19:05 im glad i dont have a gun i dont think id be able to handle it 05:19:44 not that id go on a shooting or anything.....just having a gun would be stressful or 05:20:22 having a gun makes you crazy not the other way around 05:30:00 Guns don't kill jobs, robots who shoot guns kill jobs. 05:39:05 -!- ogrom has joined. 06:01:32 -!- FreeFull has quit. 06:36:27 -!- samebchase has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:40:10 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:40:14 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:40:15 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:40:56 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:40:57 -!- glogbot has joined. 06:40:58 -!- glogbackup has left. 06:41:00 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:41:00 -!- esowiki has joined. 06:41:04 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:41:54 -!- samebchase has joined. 06:43:38 -!- HackEgo has joined. 07:00:22 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 07:01:09 -!- Zerker has joined. 07:06:49 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:19:57 -!- ogrom has joined. 07:48:46 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:51:53 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:05:13 http://adit.io/posts/2013-04-17-functors,_applicatives,_and_monads_in_pictures.html :-( 08:17:55 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:22:21 "Ouch!" 08:23:15 «"Ouch!"»? 08:25:52 It says that in several places. 08:26:08 (I only looked at the pictures.) 08:26:17 ("I read it for the articles.") 08:42:31 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:52:37 -!- carado has joined. 09:12:44 @ask AnotherTest Did you have use for noe? 09:12:44 Consider it noted. 09:12:55 hi fizzie 09:13:05 today i ate odd japanese candy 09:13:12 Was it called a fizzie? 09:13:29 I don't know what it was called because I'm not good at reading Japanese. 09:13:41 But it seemed a bit fizzy, maybe. 09:14:09 I think I am a candy too. 09:14:32 But are you Japanese? 09:14:45 Is there good Finnish candy? I don't know anything about Finnish candy. :-( 09:15:04 http://lgcdn.candyfavorites.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/r/b/rbeer.jpg <- that's me. 09:15:32 Note: "salmiakki" does not count as "good". 09:16:06 I was just about to say we just eat ammonium chloride as candy. 09:16:55 I suppose there's Finnish variants of regular things too, but I don't think those are anything to write home about. 09:17:13 Quite a lot of products containing xylitol. 09:17:30 Is everything made of corn? 09:17:33 "[Xylitol's] dental significance was researched in Finland in the early 1970s, when scientists at Turku University showed it had significant dental benefits.[6] Those became known as the "Turku sugar studies"." 09:17:34 That's how it is in America. 09:18:10 I was in Turku once. 09:18:11 Perhaps twice. 09:18:25 There's an oklopol in Turku, I think that's its greatest attraction. 09:19:01 Also a podunk "castle". 09:23:54 There's quite a lot of less salty liquorice around. I don't know what anything is made of. It comes in a bag. 09:24:22 Is there an oklopole in Poland? 09:24:59 They spell it with an ł, but I think so. 09:25:18 økløpøl 09:25:55 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:26:59 That's presumably the Norwegian brand. 09:28:49 œklœpœl 09:34:47 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:43:23 -!- Koen_ has joined. 09:51:18 -!- carado_ has joined. 09:55:37 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:08:44 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 10:14:27 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 10:42:32 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:26:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:04:21 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 12:05:12 -!- olsner has joined. 12:05:24 -!- Jafet has joined. 12:18:27 -!- augur has joined. 12:30:27 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:32:54 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:33:18 -!- Zerker has joined. 12:37:38 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:39:32 Did we find a cause for the Hexham Coincidence last night? 12:40:35 -!- ion has quit (Quit: Server maintenance). 12:45:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:46:25 I have raffle tickets 476 through 485 for a raffle tomorrow night 12:48:25 This presents me a significant chance of winning 12:48:46 elliott_: Hexham Golf Club, tomorrow, 7:30 pm, bring money 12:48:53 What does one win? 12:49:52 Money, alcohol, a holiday for dogs! 12:51:12 -!- boily has joined. 12:51:16 -!- metasepia has joined. 12:51:40 If I win top prize, I've made a £43 profit 12:51:53 I could buy 20% of a bitcoin 12:52:38 -!- c00kiemon5ter has left. 12:54:11 Taneb: in french it's probably pronounced something more like boahlee, and it can mean anything <- more like /bwa.li/, but boahlee's close enough. 12:54:38 otherwise, hi all! today is orangeshirtday! 12:54:47 Hi! 12:55:37 Then I think next weekend me and some friends are gonna have a superhero movie night before we see Iron Man 3 12:56:12 how is bitcoin this week anyway 12:56:31 (you could buy more than half a bitcoin fwiw_ 12:56:32 *) 12:56:40 Phantom_Hoover: there's an article in the times 13:00:14 another unknown metar tokens: 13:00:17 ~metar CYUL 13:00:18 CYUL 191200Z 15014KT 15SM FEW050 SCT080 BKN180 OVC240 14/10 A2969 RMK SC1AC3AC2CI2 SLP054 DENSITY ALT 200FT 13:00:29 what is density alt? 13:00:32 ~metar BTCN 13:00:33 --- Station not found! 13:00:44 I was looking at how BiTCoiN was. 13:00:50 ~metar EGNT 13:00:50 EGNT 191250Z 07007KT 050V170 9999 SCT042 09/02 Q1027 13:01:05 I think I've learnt my nearest airport's metar address 13:01:12 new checklist item: add a ~bitcoin command. 13:01:19 ~metar EFHK 13:01:19 EFHK 191250Z 23013KT 9999 BKN022 07/02 Q1005 NOSIG 13:01:36 That like the "No signal" that I get on my monitor? 13:02:07 NO SIGnificative observations. all is fine, keep calm, something something carry on and all that sort of things. 13:05:28 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:05:55 wiki has an article on desity altitude, but I can't parse the first paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_altitude 13:06:44 -!- atriq has joined. 13:06:52 -!- atriq has changed nick to Taneb. 13:07:22 I'd like to see an IATA/ICAO converter 13:07:36 Also, what language is metasepia written in? 13:07:57 the mapping isn't bijective between IATA and ICAO, but I could go with the most common cases. 13:08:01 it's written in haskell. 13:08:25 Is it online anywhere? 13:09:11 no, not yet. I could upload a sdist somewhere, if you're interested. 13:09:44 If there's a git repo I could give you a hand 13:10:31 I created a repo for the rewrite, but haven't put anything yet because I really lack time to. 13:11:10 the problem with metasepia's current incarnation is that it relies on old libraries that won't compile with the new error API. besides, simpleirc does not support SSL. 13:14:04 What does fastirc look like? 13:14:08 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qrt68vaxo3by7p/cuttlefish-0.1.0.0.tar.gz 13:14:19 don't know about it. I'll check... ♪ 13:14:45 («Veuillez demeurer en ligne tandis que nous acheminons votre appel...») 13:14:47 -!- Taneb has changed nick to atriq. 13:14:55 @tell Taneb https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qrt68vaxo3by7p/cuttlefish-0.1.0.0.tar.gz 13:14:55 Consider it noted. 13:15:07 (I wont be home for a couple of hours) 13:15:29 fastirc received no updates since 2010. doesn't bode well. 13:16:12 :/ 13:16:28 It may be a case of "write your own" 13:16:37 OTOH, the IRC protocol hasn't changed much, ever 13:17:34 that's the conclusion I came to too. I think I was tryin to inhale the RFC some weeks ago. 13:19:53 -!- atriq_ has joined. 13:21:12 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 13:21:26 -!- atriq_ has changed nick to Ngevd. 13:21:35 -!- atriq has quit (Disconnected by services). 13:21:39 -!- Ngevd has changed nick to atriq. 13:21:49 I think I've broken webchat 13:21:57 nonsense. 13:22:52 -!- atriq has left. 13:22:57 -!- atriq has joined. 13:23:09 It hadn't opened a new window for #esoteric 13:23:26 is there an underhanded haskell contest 13:23:49 That would sound fun 13:26:49 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:27:20 oklofok: it's redundant 13:27:38 -!- Zerker has joined. 13:31:53 it is? 13:34:15 Yeah. Just don't write any haddocks 13:36:07 That's obfuscated, not underhanded 13:37:59 I'm sure you can squeeze categories to extract their evil essence. 13:38:10 we should call the result “lemma juice”. 13:44:00 -!- LaBouche has joined. 13:48:39 A thing being a category is pretty useless if that's all you know about it 13:50:36 You could probably abuse the hell out of Cokleisli arrows, though 13:51:00 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:51:19 atriq: are you around? 13:51:29 I'm asquare 13:51:53 I'm rereading Homestuck, and WAT 13:51:53 http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002231 13:52:52 The arm? 13:53:05 Yeah, I shoulda seen that coming. 14:05:41 -!- nooodl has joined. 14:13:21 -!- carado_ has joined. 14:13:59 -!- qirta has joined. 14:14:00 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:15:17 -!- nooodl has joined. 14:18:22 -!- qirta has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:20:38 -!- atriq has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:34:25 -!- ion has joined. 14:35:11 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 14:43:57 -!- LaBouche has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:47:53 -!- carado_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 14:48:33 -!- carado_ has joined. 14:52:30 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:54:11 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:00:47 ~help 15:00:47 --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi 15:00:56 ~help pi 15:00:56 --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi 15:00:58 ~help yi 15:00:59 --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi 15:01:01 bah 15:01:07 ~yi 15:01:08 Your divination: "Great Possessing" to "Polarising" 15:02:31 ~fortune 15:02:32 "When you wake up in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, 15:02:32 "what's the first thing you say to yourself?" 15:02:32 "What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?" 15:02:32 "I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet. 15:02:32 Pooh nodded thoughtfully. "It's the same thing," he said. 15:02:49 How enlightening 15:11:59 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:14:01 -!- Zerker has joined. 15:19:37 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 15:19:56 ~duck enlightenment 15:19:57 enlightenment definition: the act or means of enlightening. 15:20:36 * boily flagellates duck duck go with a one day old toast that has dampened a bit and lost most of its crispiness 15:22:04 -!- Benat has joined. 15:22:56 ah, the cotaneb is back. 15:23:04 Oh no! 15:23:05 !on hO 15:23:14 tiuq\ 15:23:15 \quit 15:23:21 tiuq/ 15:23:21 /quit 15:23:29 It has learnt well 15:23:29 llew tnrael sah tI 15:23:51 can it mirror a /? 15:23:58 \/ 15:23:59 /\ 15:24:04 \// 15:24:04 //\ 15:24:15 \\// 15:24:15 //\\ 15:24:24 \\// 15:24:24 //\\ 15:24:26 \\// 15:24:26 //\\ 15:24:28 \\// 15:25:45 `run quote Taneb | tac 15:25:50 1020) I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention \ 960) did you know that likes follow you around the internet and steal your browser? I thought that was Phantom_Hoover \ 959) I'm a story about the prohibition of chocolate \ 935) well what is time Wait. 15:26:02 `run quote Taneb | rev 15:26:04 tnemetats nruter eht teg t'ndid tsuj eh ,noisrucer tog eh tuo denruT >benaT< )593 \ 01' yraubeF ,yawynA >benaT< liomrut ni yxalag A >benaT< deralced erew raW >benaT< yraurbeF ot tuC >benaT< )104 \ retnirp resal a ton ,dlihcdnarg A >benaT< !esoht fo eno droffa t'nac I >benaT< )204 \ .rucco ot ylekil s'ti nehw neve ,stluser tnereffid tcepxe ot en 15:26:20 `pastequotes Taneb 15:26:27 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25395 15:27:47 Taneb: When did you pretend to be Queen Elizabeth II, and why? 15:27:58 ThatOtherPerson, wrong Elizabeht 15:28:01 *Elizabeth 15:28:02 oh 15:28:11 Thelizabeth 15:28:27 I was hungry even though I'd been eating a lot 15:28:34 And one of my friends asked me how I could be 15:28:54 I replied "While I may have the week and feeble body of a woman, I have the heart and stomach of a king" 15:29:02 And rolled with it 15:29:06 :D 15:29:08 -!- Benat has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:29:14 `delquote 738 15:29:19 ​*poof* coleridge and 15:30:26 (that came from when I was messing with a crop text-to-speech thing, and it kept getting it horribly wrong) 15:30:26 ̀? Taneb 15:30:33 `quote 738 15:30:35 738) hang on I have bright idea navajo to f me 1 in 3 people 15:30:39 `? Taneb 15:30:41 Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. (see also: d-modules) 15:30:47 `? Tanebventions 15:30:49 Tanebventions include D-modules and automatic squirrel feeders 15:31:58 `quote 847 15:31:59 847) Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months 15:32:54 -!- Gnaro has joined. 15:33:17 Hello. 15:34:59 Taneb: wait is this your website: http://www.gardengrapevine.com/SquirrelFeeder.html 15:35:08 I don't think so 15:35:08 V qba'g guvax fb 15:35:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:35:12 `welcome Gnaro 15:35:13 `jrypbzr Taneb 15:35:14 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: jrypbzr: not found 15:35:15 Gnaro: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:35:30 is that... rot13 of me? 15:35:30 vf gung... ebg13 bs zr? 15:35:58 lrf 15:35:59 yes 15:36:20 /dhvg 15:36:20 /quit 15:36:36 Jul zr? 15:36:36 Why me? 15:36:44 worse than kickbanning: being plagued by mysterious bots. 15:37:18 \/\/ 15:37:18 \/\/ 15:38:13 fwhfuiwehfguiwehgieurh 15:38:14 sjushvjrusthvjrutvrheu 15:38:35 cymorth 15:39:35 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:40:05 Have I defeated this one? 15:41:31 'Twould seem so 15:41:35 -!- Zerker has joined. 15:42:43 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 15:43:03 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:43:07 -!- Gnaro has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 15:43:16 Hello 15:43:16 AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 15:43:32 that was fast 15:44:13 mroman_: not yet, I'll tell you when I use it though. It's interesting anyway 15:44:56 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 15:45:15 Taneb: were you stalking me......... 15:45:31 elliott, I was mildly curious whether you existed or not 15:45:56 only sometimes 15:46:01 I've had friends turn out to be entirely made up by Canadians in the past, who says it can't happen again 15:46:55 Said Canadian has now disappeared completely 15:48:04 * boily pokes himself in the ribs. “ow” 15:48:07 * ThatOtherPerson may or may not secretly be a Canadian >.> 15:48:16 I haven't disappeared yet, so all is good :D 15:51:40 maybe Taneb himself doesn't exist and he's try to deceive us all? 15:51:53 AnotherTest, there are secondary sources stating I do indeed exist 15:52:04 Taneb: maybe they are fake? 15:52:05 Taneb: PROVE IT. 15:52:31 Mathematically. 15:52:33 http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/news/2.2978/students-pass-classic-test-1.288062?referrerPath=home/2.3307 15:52:53 Newspaper article which mentions me entering a latin recitation competition 15:53:15 That doesn't look like a sound mathematical proof to me! 15:53:34 It doesn't mention "Taneb"! 15:53:49 ThatOtherPerson, do you accept the law of the excluded middle? 15:54:29 Taneb: sure, why not 15:54:40 So therefore I must either exist or not exist 15:54:53 If I did not exist, I would not be able to explain this proof to you 15:55:02 I am explaining this proof to you 15:55:02 also, taneb, which one of those kids is supposed to be you? 15:55:06 Hence I exist 15:55:10 AnotherTest, Nathan van Doorn 15:55:11 hmm 15:55:15 Maybe you are actually eliott 15:55:29 eliott doesn't exist 15:55:34 or maybe elliott is you 15:55:42 More likely 15:55:49 So therefore I must either exist or not exist 15:55:49 If I did not exist, I would not be able to explain this proof to you <-- why not? Maybe you could. 15:55:52 However, if that were true, I'd suck less 15:56:04 Taneb: how so ;)? 15:56:19 Well, I'd be better at Haskell and worse at socializing 15:56:37 Anymay, you might as well be ThatOtherPerson 15:56:40 *anyway 15:56:58 ThatOtherPerson is some other person 15:57:10 aha! why is that other person not you? 15:57:17 Because I am me 15:57:21 Can you proof that your are not just that other person? 15:57:21 Not that other person 15:57:33 I think you are that other person 15:57:48 (also, isn't this philosophically impossible?) 15:57:49 "I am me" is still true if you are that other person 15:58:04 because that other person is that other person 15:58:18 although he /might/ be another person 15:58:30 but he's most likely just that other person, not just another person 15:58:33 ThatOtherPerson is an American living in Saudi Arabia. I am a Brit/Aussie living in Hexham 15:58:53 As Hexham is not in Saudi Arabia, I am not ThatOtherPerson 15:59:12 in a parallel universe... 15:59:16 "American" is such a generic term; it could refer to someone from two entire continents 15:59:16 nevermind... 15:59:27 ThatOtherPerson, I am from neither 15:59:33 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 15:59:59 taneb, at least I think you exist 16:00:06 Thank you, Fiora. 16:00:10 maybe Taneb is actually a bot created by Fiora! 16:00:23 The first actually working AI 16:00:32 That doesn't make sense! 16:00:39 Probably. 16:00:39 Fiora is my sock puppet account! 16:00:40 scratch AI, and I'll agree :p 16:00:41 Why do you think Taneb is a bot created by Fiora? 16:01:02 Because he's not that other person 16:01:04 (I mean, Taneb looks pretty natural to me. maybe he's a plant.) 16:01:10 so he's probably not a person at all 16:01:16 so he must be a bot created by another person 16:01:23 For what reason do you say he's not that other person? 16:01:32 Well he said it himself 16:01:43 Intriguing. Please elaborate. 16:02:04 He said he is himself, not that other person 16:02:19 He might be another person though, that's not excluded 16:02:28 What makes you think himself, not that other person? 16:02:42 He said "I am me" 16:02:50 me is not that other person 16:02:59 Why do you think "I am me? 16:03:32 Who said I think that? 16:03:37 Maybe I'm a bot myself 16:03:40 Intriguing. Please elaborate. 16:05:24 well I might have been created by Taneb 16:05:30 but I might not know it myself! 16:06:09 For what reason do you know it myself? 16:06:41 what is happening 16:07:00 elliott, I think the conclusion is that none of us exist 16:07:18 What makes you think is happening? 16:07:21 Hexham is just imaginary 16:08:05 Hexham is probably located at (54.971i°N, 2.101i°W) 16:08:21 I probably exist (cogito ergo sum) but you're all illusions 16:08:51 Why did you exist (cogito ergo sum? 16:09:32 I suspect ThatOtherPerson was replaced by a markov chain... 16:09:43 We were discussing you, not me. 16:09:56 We were? 16:10:09 Why do you think we were? 16:10:22 We were? 16:10:27 Where were we? 16:10:32 Intriguing. Please elaborate. 16:10:38 When where we were? 16:10:57 For what reason were we when where? 16:11:09 ThatOtherPerson: are you ELIZA? 16:11:20 We were discussing you, not me. 16:11:29 FireFly: but seriously that was a lot of work 16:11:36 Well, why were we when where? 16:11:48 I'm not really sure... :/ 16:11:56 fungot: meet ThatOtherPerson 16:11:56 FireFly: we weren't doing it that way... 16:12:03 ...oh 16:12:07 -!- Zerker has joined. 16:12:16 Pretending to be ELIZA is fun! 16:12:50 I think fungot and that other person have an agreement... 16:12:51 AnotherTest: what else operates on s-expressions besides lisp? how come you can't use the same format; i seem to recall the guy saying that he did not 16:13:20 fungot: I can use the same format... 16:13:21 AnotherTest: 1) all procedures can be invoked as a procedure has to have gc protections all over the fnord 16:13:28 oh right 16:13:41 fungot: *all* over the fnord?! 16:13:41 FireFly: i'd have to write ( let ( ( test ( lambda ( cont) ( call/ cc 16:13:57 I think fungot's stuck in a dialect of lisp 16:13:57 FireFly: sxml is okmij.org/ ftp/ perl/ fnord/ net/ org, but still 16:14:37 fungot: fnord 16:14:37 ThatOtherPerson: yes but there will always be basilosaurus. and it's not hard work. the hard problems are fun, the first return value is not " always available", that's pretty old... 16:14:58 fungot: fnord fnord fnord 16:14:58 ThatOtherPerson: and they're venturing through cannibal territory. just something to do 16:15:18 fungot is clearly confused 16:15:18 AnotherTest: on even the most trivial of one-liners. 16:15:19 "venturing through cannibal territory" is "just something to do" 16:15:20 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 16:15:22 right. 16:15:32 how fun 16:15:58 fungot: indeed fungot, you're confused on even the most trivial of one-liners 16:15:58 AnotherTest: phew! it was a bad sentence? a paragraph? these are strings. 16:16:02 fungot: what else do you do for fun? 16:16:02 FireFly: but that's just because i've seen people making parodies of dc which resemble that 16:16:20 fungot makes parodies? 16:16:20 `quote ThatOtherPerson 16:16:20 AnotherTest: was that nm output from dissector.so?" inspired me to read the implementation code to find that mit students have a rather clean backend/ frontend interfaces. however, when case-folding you don't need 16:16:22 1021) Do you have a girlfriend, fungot? ThatOtherPerson: there's two. 16:16:58 Do you have a girlfriend, fungot? 16:16:59 ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language 16:17:06 aw 16:17:49 `quote FireFly 16:17:51 57) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies \ 855) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion 16:17:59 `addquote ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language 16:18:00 elliott: fnord)) fnord io system became quite inefficient because of its very own esolang. don't want them on you. perhaps you're feeling your age :) dybvig's name is kent not ken...... 16:18:03 1036) ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language 16:18:30 elliott: "perhaps you're feeling your age"? 16:18:57 Reminds me of http://xkcd.com/447/ 16:26:16 -!- zzo38 has joined. 16:35:55 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:36:26 fungot: Who are venturing through cannibal territory? 16:36:26 fizzie: soegaard pasted " from the dark languages over?... so what 16:38:17 ^help 16:38:17 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 16:38:43 ^style 16:38:43 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 16:39:01 ^style nethack 16:39:01 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 16:39:06 hm 16:39:12 fungot: Teach me play NetHack. 16:39:13 fizzie: lycanthrope, were*, *were: in after days, when the syrian heat is worst, let him drink, and that was an oval plate, the big black cobra, and ran toward the moon is not the only way it can grow up to the _dark_ heavens. he sprang forward and backward, to defend the realm of the camp of the sea. they hated it and let the lord rose and went forth halting; but there moved swiftly to support their lord handmaidens wrought of 16:39:19 fungot: do you have a girlfriend? 16:39:19 :ThatOtherPerson: the magic memory vault!' wailed legolas. ' ai, ai!' he said under his father, as they rushed towards him. 16:39:25 ... 16:39:28 fungot: I don't think that will help me much. 16:39:28 fizzie: acid blobs should be strong. apes should make the earth. ( the tough guide to fantasyland, by christopher marlowe), and flames began to change. 16:39:40 ^style fungot 16:39:40 Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) 16:39:52 fungot: AnMaster no not markov? 16:39:52 fungot: do you have a girlfriend? 16:39:53 fizzie: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going fast and such an apparently non-standard format is being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them; and sets. maybe thats what them meant by experimental selected so it fnord be useful information regarding the report, mr. owen, i am satisfied, with much ado. your sister is the better part made mercie, i should think at least, th 16:40:04 Ha, I confused it enough. 16:40:18 augh 16:40:26 It was the usual bug. 16:40:36 ^style homestuck 16:40:36 Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) 16:41:29 fungot: Do you have any new styles you'd want in you? 16:41:30 fizzie: but a vague, it's like trying to get it, but alright later 16:41:30 What styles does fungot support? 16:41:31 AnotherTest: examine the wall behind his own back. it keeps happening. you seem to have a knack for always guessing right on the first try! 16:42:25 It keeps happening! 16:42:43 fungot: It certainly does. 16:42:43 fizzie: so, you give up, jade is my slime tube and this is a new game. there is a heavy amount of time i will say you are only here to deliver a message and then i'll put a mean game of blackjack. 16:43:53 fizzie: how about a style with... uhh 16:44:21 The problem with styles is, they require a tiny modicum of effort from me. 16:44:27 right but you just volunteered 16:44:28 so. 16:45:15 fizzie: do you have any corpi of speech that has been speech-recognitiated 16:45:47 fizzie: how does fungot's input affect the markov chain it produces? 16:45:48 ThatOtherPerson: you have a great appreciation for the fine arts. you use the hammer and nails. they will come a day 16:46:35 is there a character-based style? 16:46:43 I'd like to see what that even looks like 16:46:47 ThatOtherPerson: It does not. 16:47:04 fizzie: ah, that explains just about everything. 16:47:18 -!- Gregor has joined. 16:47:28 ThatOtherPerson: In fact, the Befunge code doesn't even have any functionality of getting from text to the list of tokens the babble-generation uses. 16:47:40 -!- Gregor has set topic: Hello, good evening, and REMAIN INDOORS! | I am making the world better by CONFUSING THE TIME CUBES | Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 16:47:52 AnotherTest: I've done character-grams with the Perl prototype, but the Befunge code forces spaces between every token (except punctuation). 16:48:17 `run words 20 # it generally doesn't look all that different from this 16:48:22 arbie vygamoscr tcr thiiten dica dascopa fonixo ood unt aquisan unhood pugna phallano profed schen carrin mating prec voring pturea 16:48:30 oh alright 16:48:33 Well, maybe there's a bit more across-word context. 16:48:48 Unhood, mating. 16:48:50 fungot 16:48:50 ThatOtherPerson: he is so silly! john!! :d 16:48:56 `run words 5 16:49:00 quoyard rekte schmay zeanid osama 16:49:09 `words --finnish 10 16:49:11 kanansa saansimmällä vaikkisimma kyttäviltansa suosimpinesti kauttavistolaisemme vallongelleen jumpaamikseen sisäkämme maksulatiinsa 16:49:12 fungot 16:49:13 ThatOtherPerson: but in a more platonic sense, and with a more specific social purpose. it no matter what the dice. you just don't have a very exciting 24 hours or so. 16:49:14 (It does languages.) 16:49:23 (`words is not my thing.) 16:49:29 `words --german 10 16:49:32 effi metrin seedizungen sozialemaution darbeikante worens zehnappaet vers kotycholtmeis ausgen 16:50:00 `words --dutch 10 16:50:02 Unknown option: dutch 16:50:05 oh right 16:50:24 `words --french 10 16:50:28 damoverv servei pruiflft kpé aprofilo kônicrois geron jasion ant phab 16:50:38 `words --list 16:50:40 valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M 16:50:44 That's what it knows about. 16:51:08 `words --esolangs 10 16:51:09 shoop grass rpos .ger clc-inter topline bloopuf reversion 1l brainlolcode 16:51:46 useful if you need a name I guess 16:51:48 `quote 960 16:51:49 960) oerjan: on those days, I'm sure this channel becomes some kind of SCP. 16:51:54 oh 16:51:57 on which days? 16:51:59 `quote steals your browser 16:52:00 No output. 16:52:04 `quote steal your browser 16:52:06 959) did you know that likes follow you around the internet and steal your browser? I thought that was Phantom_Hoover 16:52:16 wat 16:53:59 i like "brainlolcode" 16:54:02 that's gotta be a quality language 16:54:12 "bloopuf" sounds nice. 16:54:20 i'm already having an aneurysm 16:54:40 brainbloopuf 16:57:59 `words --esolangs 20 16:58:01 gol bitz linter opting pleaseporth dobelatlis smill orthagonal gemo recurscrambda pax objectpar var 01_ arro hang better tame tript mouse 16:58:22 `words 16:58:26 exiv 16:58:33 `words --swedish 10 16:58:35 konfiden avhjälvs rande avpapplikhet hyranda överräd vinpigolo blyerna syftninga etensierna 16:59:14 those words do look very swedish 16:59:43 I wonder what "avpapplikhet" would mean 16:59:43 -!- Bike has joined. 17:00:55 hyranda translates as "renting spirit" (not an actual thing but could very well be) 17:01:10 and överräd would be something like an "over-raid" 17:02:51 that'd be "similarity to avpapp", but avpapp doesn't mean anything unfortunately 17:02:59 Yeah.. 17:03:36 av papp is "(made) of cardboard", but only as two words 17:04:15 `words --polish 10 17:04:18 wymi niematyczytona karnych zaognijektyzując nieporalowanie dręta niepooszczo rożnawoźniach upłciliłaś pogacyjne 17:04:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:04:49 `words --eng-fiction 10 17:04:53 trelic kapa cougt hood reich nuchid repairb vira cala ausweep 17:05:27 -!- Bike has joined. 17:06:15 `words --canadian-english-insane 10 17:06:19 talized phobiac off kohalimacupilful daptione sphacheated uplian unequelchygrei wallotched unperflowly 17:06:46 kohalimacupilful, unequelchygrei. 17:06:47 Such an unperflowly day today 17:06:56 Is that how Canadians speak? 17:08:08 reich isn't really an English word 17:08:24 `words --british-english 17:08:26 Unknown option: british-english 17:08:28 An okay day today, eh 17:08:36 `words --eng-gb 10 17:08:40 con bil geabt gropy undelia dawa tia guaniation don jigger 17:09:00 `run words --eng-us 10 # for comparison 17:09:03 lobo nigh pal fcentnou lavethneveaa njh eichon tacho balflein lie 17:09:18 Americans lie, while Britons con people. 17:09:55 shit is extremely real in boston 17:09:58 'njh' seems hard to pronounciate 17:10:01 everything is shut down except dunkin donuts 17:10:09 lol except dunkin donuts 17:10:15 can't shut down dunkin donuts 17:10:22 seriously, the authorities requested that dunkin donuts stay open to supply the cops 17:10:22 gropy jigger 17:10:25 wow 17:10:31 are you serious 17:10:33 yes 17:10:39 amazing 17:10:42 tbf dunkin donuts is pretty great 17:10:58 cop jokes or not 17:11:13 i've never had dunkin donuts, the poverty of britain 17:11:34 http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-dunkin-donuts-stays-open-2013-4 17:11:42 elliott: You can buy a freshly fried sugary doughnut at the beach. Isn't that good enough? 17:11:59 the poverty of britain 17:12:00 "There was an automated message going around telling businesses to close, but because we're Dunkin' Donuts, we called the police department and they said we didn't have to." 17:12:12 hahaha 17:12:17 why should businesses close at all? 17:12:37 one of the marathon bombing suspects is at large 17:12:38 "We're Dunkin' f'ing Donats, we don't close." 17:12:47 I haven't had a dunked do-not either; the poverty of Finland. 17:12:48 i can't tell if fizzie's quotes are real or not 17:12:50 but i hope they are 17:12:55 They never are at small 17:13:01 and closing everything down helps what how? 17:13:03 elliott: The first one was from the article kmc linked. The second one I made up. 17:13:15 last night they robbed a 7-Eleven, shot and killed a cop at MIT, carjacked a SUV and drove it to Watertown where they started throwing bombs at police 17:13:20 this is some grand theft auto shit 17:13:31 there are helicopters everywhere, they have 5 stars by now for sure 17:13:54 olsner: I suppose it helps because people who stay indoors don't get shot? 17:14:06 olsner: keeps innocent people out of harm's way, and keeps them from getting in the way of the cops etc. 17:14:07 i went and googled news from when i was asleep and the names of the shooters are totaly different now? 17:14:15 they've morphed from indian to chechen 17:14:21 I'm trying to understand why a pair who planted bombs at the Boston Marathon would make their next action robbing a 7-Eleven. 17:14:21 yep 17:14:32 Gregor: yeah, everyone seems to be confused about that 17:14:37 It doesn't exactly seem to be the next logical step 17:14:38 given that they'd been successfully hiding out for days 17:14:43 Gregor: "Maybe they were thirsty?" 17:14:47 lol 17:14:55 yeah I expect that will be in the next Slurpee ad 17:15:22 kmc: wait that's the same guy? 17:15:25 I thought "they" were unrelated upset people who decided to go crazy 17:15:27 i heard about the mit thing briefly 17:15:28 "Planting bombs to kill and maim innocents is thisty work. Slurpee™" 17:15:41 maybe the dunkin donuts thing is a trap 17:15:46 they know the suspect really likes donuts 17:15:46 elliott: media is reporting that it's the same people 17:15:51 heh 17:15:52 (*doughnuts btw) 17:15:54 Yeah, the media suggests that they're the same. 17:16:10 sounds kind of dubious 17:16:11 elliott: is that pronounced duffnuts? 17:16:13 The names were different in the morning, though. 17:16:16 why would they be the same 17:16:17 elliott: Indeed. 17:16:35 the suspects lived just up the street from me and apparently the cops are going to blow something up at their house later today 17:16:44 -!- Bike_ has joined. 17:17:00 -!- Bike_ has quit (Client Quit). 17:17:04 kmc: i like this mental image of they're just going to blow their shit up as retaliatino 17:17:06 did they make good neighbours 17:17:08 not for any actual reason 17:17:55 elliott: heh 17:18:02 Phantom_Hoover: heh 17:18:05 hehs all around 17:18:09 -!- Bike_ has joined. 17:18:58 aha, and MIT is in boston 17:19:00 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:19:18 i thought mit was in cambridge 17:19:21 as well as harvard 17:19:38 Isn't Cambridge a suburb of Boston 17:19:41 and they were like "well cambridge in england was pretty sweet, we should get in on that" 17:19:42 Yeah. 17:19:59 Phantom_Hoover: Microsoft Research has labs in both Cambridges, just to be maximally confusing ;) 17:20:03 "Actual Dialogue On Police Scanner // COP1: In and out real quick. // COP2: Yeah that's what they call me, John in-and-out-real-quick Smith." 17:20:07 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 17:20:16 haha 17:20:34 oxford, america 17:20:45 imo: police should have to go through a mandatory joke training course 17:20:56 Cambridge isn't a suburb exactly; the part that's across from Boston is about as urban as Boston 17:21:03 both cities extend out into suburbish areas 17:21:12 Bike: Was COP2's name really John Smith? 17:21:24 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Mississippi 17:21:47 fizzie: would be weird, eh 17:21:51 it's more like Manhattan / Brooklyn or SF / Oakland except for the part where Oakland is terrible 17:22:07 Now I wonder if there's any Finnish place names copied into the US. 17:22:27 fizzie: maybe in north flyover country? 17:22:28 Gregor: does it have a university 17:22:37 elliott: The University of Mississippi. 17:22:41 Luckily, the University of Mississippi is as unnotable as one would expect the University of Mississippi to be. 17:22:44 fizzie: there's like... 17:22:45 boily: http://www.genealogia.fi/place/ apparently there's quite a few names in Finnish. 17:22:48 a place in the south that's pretty finnish right 17:22:48 weirdly 17:22:53 do you know what i mean this is a vague memory 17:23:01 fizzie: there were a lot of swedes and norwegian immigrants to the north midwest (Iowa / Minnesotta / Wisconsin), possibly some Finns or at least some Finnish names too 17:23:02 Yes, I have a vague memory like that too. 17:23:28 wooooah, we have finnish places in Québec. 17:23:40 Apparently there's an Oulu in Wisconsin, at least. 17:24:18 (Most of them seem to be just Finnishy names, not actual Finnish places; at least big places. But Oulu's probably in our top-10 city list. Not that that's saying much.) 17:24:23 I doubt the «Maki» places are really finnish, but then we at least have a «Île du Finlandais». 17:24:51 place names are sometimes quite strange 17:24:57 fizzie: right but i mean like 17:25:01 the people there are actually descended from finns? 17:25:05 and i guess they maybe speak finnish? 17:25:10 i d k 17:25:31 they probably don't speak finnish anymore 17:25:32 Elkader, Iowa is named after Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri who was an Algerian anti-colonial leader 17:25:51 elkader. wow. 17:25:51 he saved a bunch of Christians from being massacred in Syria 17:26:07 al-qaeda, iow 17:26:07 a 17:26:21 elliott: There's something something something like that. 17:26:28 oh, he was a leader in the invasion, not independence 17:26:39 They have some kind of being-Finnishy festival maybe and something. 17:26:49 in a rhotic(?) accent I guess Qadir and Qaida would sound the same 17:26:55 what does it feel like to be finnishy? 17:27:01 There was an article about some place like that in Finnair's in-flight magazine. 17:27:01 '... October 16, 1852, when he was released by then-President Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte and given an annual pension of 100 000 francs on taking an oath never again to disturb Algeria' 17:27:10 and he was a freemason 17:27:14 so then he's like "fuck it, moving to Damascus" 17:27:18 `quote rhotic 17:27:19 690) I think I know less about rhotic accents now than I have ever known before 17:27:22 olsner: You mean non-rhotic, and not really. 17:27:40 "Today, the greatest concentration of Finnish Americans is in Michigan Upper Peninsula, where they form 16% of the population, and are the largest ancestral group in the peninsula's western counties.[3] The largest Finnish community in the United States, and the largest outside of Fennoscandia, is in Lake Worth, Florida, south of West Palm Beach, Florida. WLUC-TV in Michigan’s Upper ... 17:27:46 ... Peninsula, broadcasts the country's only Finnish cultural show weekly. The show called “Finland Calling” is hosted by Carl Pellonpaa and will be celebrating its 50th anniversary on air in March 2012.[4] Stanton Township, Michigan is the place in the U.S. with the largest proportion of people with Finnish ancestry, at 47%.[5]" 17:27:51 It was probably one of those. 17:28:22 Probably Lake Worth, because they have a yearly "Finlandia Week". 17:29:35 right michigan sounds about right 17:31:04 "The Finnish sauna and the concept of sisu have been adopted widely by residents of the Upper Peninsula." 17:31:56 "Street signs in Hancock appear in English and Finnish to celebrate this heritage." I think that would be quite weird to run across accidentally. 17:32:34 fizzie: Lindsborg, KS would probably also be weird to come across by accident. 17:32:39 is finlandia like portlandia 17:32:57 Lindsborg sounds suspiciously swedish 17:33:12 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:33:18 It is. 17:33:26 Oh 17:33:35 It's a town settled by Swedish immigrants that plays up its heritage. 17:33:37 "Some Finnish foods such as juustoa (squeaky cheese, essentially a cheese curd, like Leipäjuusto) and sauna makkara (a ring-bologna sausage) have become so ubiquitous in Upper Peninsula cuisine --" what. "juustoa" just means "cheese" (partitive case), and "sauna makkara" should be written without a space. 17:35:03 one point French has got right is the partitive case. tack a «du» or «de la» in front of a noun, and that's it! 17:35:45 (or «des», if you feel like it.) 17:35:45 americofinnish 17:36:05 We mostly just add "-a", sometimes "-ta" if necessary. 17:36:47 darn. Finnish's simpler. 17:37:24 ...I guess it does vowel harmony thing so that it's sometimes -ä, and I guess consonant gradation occurs in the stem... 17:37:47 Maybe it's not so simple. 17:38:41 saved by the vowel härmony. 17:39:42 Like, "mäki" turns into "mäkeä", but not all "-i"-ending words do, I guess it could depend on the constant. 17:40:02 I am working on making some Dungeons&Dragons prestige classes 17:40:11 "Characteristic ending: -ta/-tä, where the 't' elides if intervocalic. The consonant stem of a noun (if any) comes from the partitive singular. Otherwise the ending is added to the strong vowel stem." 17:43:41 Bah, it's not like native speakers would ever know anything about the grammar of their own language. 17:44:27 `words --finnish 50 17:44:29 unisemmissäni arvaitsi happivaltasa leimme kuuloisemmiksen alimen moittäviin liukiosta ajakseen tolisimmana korissansa jatkeaksensä avullituilta alisella harvostaan pakatkalla fasi milla paksavillätyn saani ikärrettävistavampii näköissänne vainasi käynnillasi rajoistaan 17:44:59 I would live in a city called Happivaltasa or Harvostaan. 17:45:03 people here can't make no difference between -er/-é/-ée/-és/-ées/-ez/-ai. 17:45:12 Happivaltasa is better than Sadvaltassa. 17:52:31 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:53:55 "Happivalta" would be something like "oxygen rule/reign/power/authority/etc". ('valta' is a bit difficult to translate exactly.) 17:57:02 -!- Zerker_ has joined. 17:57:21 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:57:21 -!- Zerker_ has changed nick to Zerker. 17:58:35 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 18:03:49 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:09:16 The Reign of Oxygen. 18:09:17 I like it. 18:09:31 you know 18:09:41 butter is really a mystery when you get down to it 18:09:45 I'd name some zero-carbon-footprint hippyville "Happivalta" 18:10:27 i interpreted "oxygen authority" as the ruling body that decides who gets oxygen in some post-apocalyptic dystopia 18:10:48 Oooooooooooh 18:11:00 a finnish dystopia 18:11:01 speaking of post-apocalyptic, here are photos of Cambridge on lockdown: http://www.cambridgeday.com/2013/04/19/nice-shot-cambridge-on-lockdown/ 18:11:31 'Neighbors describe bombing suspect as a normal, quiet student' 18:11:34 it's always a normal, quiet student 18:11:37 I SEE A CAR 18:11:41 also this channel is full of normal, quiet students 18:11:44 speaking of post-apocalyptic, massachusetts 18:11:45 (burn!!!!) 18:11:46 * kmc is scared now 18:11:55 I am neither normal nor quiet. 18:12:00 are you sure this channel is full of normal, quiet students 18:12:02 since when students are normally quiet??? students are loud, obnoxious and studenty! 18:12:03 I'm wearing orange slacks today. 18:12:04 elliott: you're just bitter because we kicked your asses 238 years ago 18:12:07 Therefore: Safe. 18:12:19 that photo looks like it was taken in the 70s 18:12:19 I am "normal" and quiet 18:12:24 like it has the colour all buildings in photos from the 70s do 18:12:32 no longer a student though! 18:12:35 elliott: It's probably some Instagram bullshit. 18:12:36 yeah i think it was instagrammed or some shit 18:17:48 I am not normal nor quiet, yet I am a student 18:17:56 Well I am occasionally quiet 18:18:08 in between utterances? 18:18:09 okay maybe I'm quiet most of the time 18:18:18 *not quiet 18:18:22 *quite 18:18:24 *quiet 18:22:27 um 18:28:52 kmc: That's how I interpreted "Happivalta" too. 18:29:15 (I'm quiet and... normal.) 18:30:06 if there's one thing that SATW has taught me, is that Finnish people are quiet. 18:30:46 Either as a ruling body, or possibly as a description of the system of government. 18:31:46 Hey, there's a new Finland-specific SATW up. 18:31:58 (I only check it monthly or so.) 18:32:32 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 18:32:52 Heheh, indeed. 18:33:12 PUNCHIN' A MOFO DEER 18:33:18 "Today was a good day." 18:33:28 The people in the video in the link are speaking Russian or something similar, though. 18:33:55 Aww :(. Maybe they're from... uh, the Russian part of Finland. 18:34:17 The license plats on the cars look Finnish. 18:34:34 Could be Russian tourists, why would a Finn videograph such an everyday occurrence? 18:34:51 PLAT. 18:35:43 ~duck plat 18:35:43 plat definition: plait. 18:36:36 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 18:38:22 Helpful. 18:39:26 ~duck plait 18:39:26 plait definition: pleat. 18:39:29 ... 18:39:37 ~duck pleat 18:39:37 A pleat is a type of fold formed by doubling fabric back upon itself and securing it in place. 18:39:43 Aw, I was hoping for a cycle. 18:42:57 I have NEVER heard a pleat called a "plait" or a "plat". 18:43:01 "Plait" sounds Irish to me. 18:46:13 There sure are a lot of physics pleatformers these days. 18:46:50 Lookitthat, Portal 2 is 75% off. I should've waited. 18:46:58 (I think it was 66% off when I bought it.) 18:54:04 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:55:57 -!- Bike has joined. 19:07:19 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:08:40 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:33:39 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 19:46:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:47:59 -!- Bike has joined. 19:50:18 I just rewatched a film I last saw when I was about 6 19:50:25 It was pretty good 19:51:12 was it jurassic park? 19:51:23 No 19:51:29 It was the Emperor's New Groove 19:52:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFzV3Mpzfw still the best scene from that movie 19:56:54 hi Fiora 19:58:05 hiiii 19:58:36 i dunno, i think "Why do we even *have* that lever?" is the take-away quote from that movie 19:58:45 useful in so many situations 19:59:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHUKBaFetJY "nice" syria short film thing by frontline 19:59:26 kmc: XD 19:59:43 that movie, just, that movie 19:59:56 i'll turn him into a fly, a harmless little fly 20:07:49 I also like today's Freefall 20:11:54 ...it's been in the same short story arc since 2007 20:12:29 For about as long as I've been reading it 20:12:37 speaking about webcomics, has anything significative happened in the past few months of Girl Genius? 20:13:09 boily, Agatha won 20:13:31 Like on Monday 20:14:42 guess I have no choice but to drudge through that castle arc, then. 20:15:56 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:19:19 You're free to do whatever you want! 20:19:19 Give up on Girl Genius and read El Goonish Shive if you want to! 20:19:22 @ping 20:19:22 pong 20:19:52 Taneb: ah no. I dropped EGS too! 20:19:56 ~metar CYUL 20:19:57 -!- Zerker has joined. 20:19:57 CYUL 192000Z 16019KT 30SM FEW060 SCT090 OVC160 21/12 A2944 RMK SC1AC3AS4 SLP969 DENSITY ALT 1400FT 20:20:21 Send an email to that guy my dad used to work with to finish Goost 26! 20:20:30 ~duck goost 26 20:20:31 --- No relevant information 20:21:17 http://goost26.blogspot.co.uk/ 20:22:55 by fear of a NSFW link, I'll be trying to remember to click on that sometime later. 20:23:20 It's SFW 20:23:29 oh well. here it goes. 20:23:36 It's a promising but orphaned sci-fi comic 20:24:06 the click, it was made. the scroll rolled, the page viewed, the 2009 noted. 20:25:32 Yeah :/ 20:27:35 Gunnerkrigg Court? 20:30:08 -!- Zerker has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 20:32:17 -!- Zerker has joined. 20:35:12 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:35:19 Bike: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/grb this is cool~ 20:35:56 "[...] from a theoretical point of view we didn’t initially expect explosions at all. The amazing thing is that nature seems to have found ways of blowing up a wide range of stars in the most dramatic and violent way.” 20:36:52 http://rnd.fi/ukkopeli/ i made a new game 20:37:14 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:37:37 oklofok: hi 20:37:48 oklofok: your website is very professional 20:38:03 http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.2392 oh cool there's a paper 20:38:25 rnd.fi? 20:38:37 oklofok: villesalo.com 20:38:40 oh 20:38:49 wow, it lasted like 7 hours... 20:39:05 oklofok: how do you play the game is it a secret 20:39:06 oklofok: uhm... there's a green square falling down? 20:39:16 elliott: yes it's very professional 20:39:29 j goes left 20:39:30 how do we observe GRBs 20:39:31 l goes right 20:39:35 i "jumps" 20:39:40 since i was under the impression that a GRB hitting Earth would kil everything 20:39:59 I think it's "a gamma ray burst from a supernova 100 light years away, pointed directly at us, might destroy the ozone layer"? 20:40:07 yeah 20:40:12 is it meant to be slow 20:40:15 no 20:40:22 i can make it faster if you have a slow computer 20:40:23 well 20:40:28 what's slow 20:40:41 like it's jittery 20:40:46 Fiora: so is it like far away 20:40:53 i can see my green thing fall step by step 20:41:03 and it can take a little while for my keypress to happen 20:41:18 Bike: the redshift is z=0.677 20:41:24 it's supposed to be jittery 20:41:36 hard to make the ai otherwise 20:41:37 this may shock you but i have no idea what that means distance-wise 20:41:55 err 20:42:02 well it should move 4 times a second 20:42:15 right it's about that slow I guess 20:42:15 roughly 20:42:19 what browser do you use 20:42:21 chrome 20:42:30 um, this calculator says 7.9GLy comoving distance 20:42:33 me too 20:42:39 that's pretty far 20:42:41 13.33 GLy luminosity distance 20:42:51 comoving is I think the normal one ("how far the light took to get to us") 20:42:56 oklofok: it feels like my keypresses are dropped if i don't make them at the "right moment" 20:42:58 vs luminosity ("how far it is now") 20:43:15 so that's several billion lightyears 20:43:17 p. far away 20:43:18 oklofok: i got over 179 points in your game 20:43:19 8 yeah 20:43:21 that means i win right 20:43:22 that's a lot of light years 20:43:24 i is something you press 20:43:28 j and l are something you hold 20:43:50 I am getting points and I am not pressing anything. 20:43:52 I don't think there are any candidate stares remotely close enough to be dangerous, GRB-wise? 20:43:57 shachaf: i think that's roughly how much you get if you wait for the guys to hop up and just jump down then? 20:44:03 there's one that's close-ish but its axis isn't aimed anywhere near us 20:44:09 It is at 400 and counting now. 20:44:09 I think 20:44:09 well that's "good" 20:44:12 imo this game would be more playable if it animated you moving between turns 20:44:13 fizzie: you get points all the time, and you die when the dudes catch you 20:44:23 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 20:44:26 oklofok: But what if I'm standing in a place the dudes can't get to? 20:44:55 :D 20:45:01 then you get infinity points i guess 20:45:22 elliott: perhaps 20:46:09 so err, feel free to program other movements, just change the virostatemachine or ukkostatemachine 20:46:14 oklofok: whoa, dude, over 405 points 20:46:17 Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_echoes also these things are so cool 20:46:17 ukkostatemachine is how you move 20:46:19 oklofok: I mean this is where I'm at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130419-dudegame.png 20:46:30 virostatemachine is how the enemies move 20:46:42 they can use light echoes to image things that haven't been visible for thousands/millions of years 20:47:09 oklofok: HOW DO I MAKE HIM MOVE 20:47:17 Yay a thousand points. I don't think I'm going to move. 20:47:18 the red thingies keep coming at me 20:47:22 like they observed light from SN 1572 in 2008 20:47:23 and I keep coming at them 20:47:38 a state machine is new Array(number of states, number of buttons which has to be 4, function which takes current state and pressed keys and a function that tells you where walls are and returns new state and which way to move) 20:47:39 and I don't know how to move otherwise than in a straight line 20:48:06 fizzie: that indeed seems unreachable 20:48:16 Koen_: jil 20:48:25 i jumps 20:48:28 j left l right 20:48:31 "jumps" 20:48:36 oklofok: I suppose it means I'm going to have to leave it overnight. :/ 20:48:37 moves you upward for 5 ticks 20:48:37 "it grew from an apparent visual size of 4 to 7 light years in a matter of months" dag 20:48:43 oklofok: ok, j and l work 20:48:53 jumping works if there's a black under you 20:48:55 but i works one out of three times or something 20:49:03 that's weird 20:49:13 ohhhhh ok 20:49:29 there's gravity 20:49:32 "gravity" 20:50:41 “you are my gravity, gravity... ♪” 20:51:11 i mainly wanted to try "dijkstra with states", so you can write an arbitrary movement FSM and the AI uses that 20:51:17 anyway sleep 20:56:51 kmc: I hear it's still mad over there. 20:57:15 oklofok: mind making arrows work as well? 20:57:31 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v shachaf. 20:57:52 j/i/l are kind-of inconveniently positioned on dvorak 20:58:10 pikhq_: yep 20:58:15 fizzie: ☝ elliott abusing his voice powers ☝ 20:58:22 Remember when he was just going to keep Gregor voiced? 20:58:25 21:57:16 And then -v a few people 20:58:27 21:57:20 Even though they're already -v 20:58:28 Power corrupts, man. 20:58:30 21:57:24 -v them *again*, man 20:58:50 I wasn't talking about #esoteric! 20:58:56 In fact I wasn't talking about any channel. 20:59:04 wait, what happened to Gregor's voice? 20:59:10 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Gregor. 20:59:14 you're dropping the ball here elliott 20:59:14 phew. 20:59:19 it's ok. everything's ok. it's ok 20:59:30 elliott and I were sharing a little fantasy there. 20:59:41 Perhaps elliott can't keep real life and fantasy apart. 21:00:43 it's true. i'm hopeless. 21:00:51 but nobody else can voice Gregor like i can. 21:00:55 ouf, hidden 21:01:58 oklofok: http://imgur.com/W8gUtNi the red dots are now moving in a circle without noticing me 21:04:02 -!- Taneb has joined. 21:05:14 oklofok: I kinda feel bad for them they're gonna go home empty-handed, their families are gonna starve and everyone in the village is gonna make fun of them for not catching any lil green dot 21:09:15 Student's t test was invented for testing beer 21:10:39 Koen_: I have 6300 points at the moment. 21:14:08 the only things missing in that game are ladders and the ability to dig holes to trap the mad monks 21:14:34 They are mad monks? I've missed the backstory, it seems. 21:15:20 "monk" is actually an abbreviation for "mad onk" 21:15:30 ~duck onk 21:15:31 --- No relevant information 21:15:32 of course they're mad monks! what did you think they were, robots? duh 21:15:34 But there are no sane onks anymore, so no one ever uses the word. 21:15:42 ma donk(in donuts) 21:15:57 At least you could still get those 21:16:17 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:16:50 I think what that game is missing is that it isn't taking place on a torus 21:17:26 but then you could just run endlessly 21:19:29 Oh, that's true 21:19:30 Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Type_Ia_supernova_simulation_-_Argonne_National_Laboratory.jpg 21:20:35 mushroomy 21:21:13 rayleigh-taylor instability~~ 21:21:28 http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-can-anyone-ever-truly-know-anything-what,32116/ boston's going well 21:21:44 XD 21:21:54 the onion on epistemology 21:22:11 " Is our only option to continue believing everything we experience, in a phenomenological sense, and ignore the true possibility that all that truly is, has been, and will be, is an illusion, a shadow cast upon the wall of eternity?" 21:22:47 http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-has-the-word-breaking-lost-all-its-meanin,32115/ http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-still-nothing,32114/ oh my gosh the onion 21:22:51 http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-no-news-breaking,32113/ 21:22:52 “America's Finest News Source”, and I believe it. 21:23:02 the onion is brutal 21:23:03 and hilarious 21:23:35 in non-onion news, Fox clarified for its viewers that Chechens are not Caucasian 21:24:02 is there like. a rigorous definition of what caucasian is? 21:24:10 isn't chechnia quite close to the area called caucasus? 21:24:26 chechnya is literally in the caucasus mountain range yes 21:24:35 yeah, that's... that's what I was thinking 21:24:42 So, chechnya is a good deal more caucasian than, say, Hexham 21:24:44 aren't they like, more caucasian than anyone here 21:24:44 (the joke is Fox) 21:25:19 it's pretty great how "the true" caucasians are historically Islamic and presently part of Russia 21:26:38 -!- boily has quit (Quit: matasano crypto pals.). 21:26:43 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:26:46 Fiora: caucasian it's kind of like rice 21:26:50 http://mancunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/couscous.jpg 21:26:53 *is 21:27:10 that's a shitty photo but i think i'd eat it 21:27:17 the food and also the photo itself 21:27:29 fuck you blame google image search :( 21:29:12 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 21:33:57 does category theory actually involve the word "superlarge" 21:34:02 (referring to the category of classes) 21:34:14 that does sound superlarge 21:34:55 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 21:35:04 It sets my soul alight 21:35:23 Taneb.................. 21:35:44 (it's a song lyric I think) 21:35:51 (superlarge categories) 21:35:54 Taneb............................................. 21:38:40 (ooh baby you're a foolish monoid, ooh baby I'm a semigroup) 21:38:55 elliott: imo devoice taneb 21:38:56 Taneb........................................................................................................................................ 21:39:05 I read that as "divorce taneb" 21:39:07 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v Taneb. 21:39:11 that makes sense 21:39:23 we are probably married and don't even know it given that we live in the same town 21:39:46 y'all should get really drunk, or like, whatever you do in hexha 21:39:49 probably nothing 21:40:00 (you've got an identity~y, how long until we see a loop?) 21:40:07 Hang on 21:40:09 I had voice? 21:40:13 no 21:40:40 Bike: i have never met taneb 21:40:46 that's stupid. 21:41:13 imo elliott should meet Taneb 21:41:18 and/or Taneb should meet elliott 21:42:01 And elliott should meet elliott, and Taneb meet Taneb. 21:42:19 Bike: it's improbable, that's what 21:42:29 "In 1761, the Hexham Riot took place in the Market Place when a crowd protesting about changes in the criteria for serving in the militia was fired upon by troops from North Yorkshire Militia." how ironic 21:42:35 fizzie: Those should be and/and and or/or. 21:42:36 well it's not that improbable since i don't generally meet people anyway 21:42:41 but i mean 21:42:44 i've been here since 2004. 21:42:49 imo you should meet people 21:42:54 imo people sick 21:42:55 imo ==Bike 21:42:56 also 21:42:56 suck 21:43:02 especially when those people are Taneb? 21:43:04 yes 21:43:16 that's pretty mean to your good friend Taneb 21:43:18 i'm talking about the ==Bike part 21:43:27 not the sick part 21:43:29 "Hexham" was used in the Borders as a euphemism for "Hell". Hence the term "To Hexham wi’ you an’ ye’r whussel!", recorded in 1873, and the popular expresion "Gang to Hexham!".[7] "Hexham-birnie" is derived from the term and means "an indefinitely remote place".[7][8] 21:44:15 is it Hexham History Month already 21:44:18 LOOK IT'S NOT ALL BAD 21:44:25 every month is Hexham History Month 21:44:29 when you're in Hexham................. 21:44:37 We've got an old gaol 21:45:06 when you're in hexham you're history? 21:45:17 http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol holy christ 21:45:22 There was a riot in Hexham once 21:45:45 when is Taneb moving to America anyway 21:45:50 2019 21:46:12 good year 21:46:22 http://www.atasteoftynedale.co.uk/Hexham-Abbey.jpg 21:46:36 Taneb: have you ever been on the local news 21:46:37 i was 21:46:43 for about ⅓ seconds 21:46:50 http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/tourism/webcams is this a picture of elliott 21:47:13 elliott, so was I 21:47:19 Bike: wow it wants me to install java 21:47:21 have you ever been on the global news 21:47:33 i'm not installing j a v a....... . ... 21:47:54 Taneb: in what context 21:48:03 elliott: well it looks like it's night there, along with the whole abbey thing i' assuming hexham is a few years behind in the tech department 21:48:04 Being elected to Youth Parliament 21:48:20 okay that was not my context 21:48:36 Bike: it is 22:48 21:48:41 should i go run to the abbey and hold up a sign saying FUCK BIKE 21:48:42 oh, the hexham courant has a dedicated section of farming news 21:48:55 i'd probably get arrested 21:49:03 elliott, go 4 it 21:49:09 Taneb: no you'll be there 21:49:10 i know it 21:49:21 There's a camera 21:49:23 You can see 21:49:30 I'm not there 21:49:30 http://guyopperman.blogspot.com/2011/11/uk-youth-parliament.html 21:49:31 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:49:33 you'll run there while i do 21:49:56 see this is how you can bond, make fuckbike signs together 21:50:00 shachaf, I'm one of those people in the picture 21:50:14 a fuckbike sounds like something else entirely 21:50:18 Taneb: aren't we all 21:50:25 it would, to a PERV 21:50:26 also "Andrew Elliott" "Elliott" what the fuck 21:50:33 I don't think so, shachaf 21:50:55 For a start, there's 73 people here and only 4 people in the picture 21:51:26 um, most of the people here don't exist and/or aren't people hth 21:52:16 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 21:52:18 And I'm pretty sure you are not me or Andrew Elliott or Tom Brookes or Guy Opperman 21:52:22 * Bike glares at taneb 21:52:36 elliott, why were you in the local news 21:52:43 Taneb: we are all you 21:52:50 ...what 21:53:17 oh wow in .uk they actually say "pupil" 21:53:27 Yup 21:53:32 http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/opinion/hextol/we-re-left-without-a-seat-following-a-very-strenuous-shift-1.1036352?referrerPath=opinion/hextol 21:53:34 thrilling 21:53:44 puple 21:54:44 Phantom_Hoover: uh we went to do this golf thing with the school i was at at the time 21:54:51 and they filmed it and used some of the footage 21:54:53 in a report 21:55:18 at last 21:55:23 footage of the elusive 'elliott' 21:55:33 Taneb: btw i don't know a single thing about guy opperman (actually i know nothing at all about hexham politics), can i apply my blanket hate-tories rule 21:55:44 ellusiviott 21:55:50 elliott, he seems nice but he is a tory 21:55:56 the eternal dilemma 21:56:20 more news from hexham http://www.hexhamcourant.co.uk/no-title-1.202232 21:56:35 my god 21:56:47 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 21:56:55 elliott, I need to work out who to vote for in the council election 21:57:04 you kids can vote now? 21:57:06 gosh 21:58:01 Taneb: what are even the options 21:58:02 i don't even know 21:58:11 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 21:58:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:58:48 wow what the fuck the abbey clock is broken 21:58:56 how shit 22:00:06 In my council constituency (Hexham East) there's a tory, a labour, a lib dem, and a UKIP ice cream man 22:00:23 http://guyopperman.blogspot.co.uk/p/profile_14.html hm this guy actually sounds decent 22:00:32 get it this guy 22:00:34 hahahahahaha 22:00:53 Pfff 22:00:59 It's more or less the same in the other two thirds of Hexham, but only Hexham East has an ice cream man as a candidate! 22:01:11 oh my gosh. the first sentence of the description for "UKIP" on their google results summary 22:01:14 vote for the ice cr- oh, UKIP 22:01:15 "Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union. " 22:01:21 yeaaaaah 22:01:25 like. they actually say. "non-racist" 22:01:30 yes UKIP do that in their tv ads too 22:01:32 and they go like 22:01:34 just clarifying!! 22:01:36 wait. -really- 22:01:37 "don't be tempted to vote for an extremist party" 22:01:41 and i'm like ok 22:01:44 i won't vote for bnp *or* ukip 22:01:54 That's like the equivalent of "I'm not racist, but..." 22:01:55 n.b. i can't vote yet 22:02:13 Fiora: it's not really the equivalent so much as the literally the same exact shit 22:02:16 UKIP aren't racist they just hate foreigners!! 22:02:31 also, probably lots of minorities? 22:02:36 i like how the scottish nationalist crowd are all, like, inclusive left-of-centre types 22:02:41 minoritism 22:02:43 do normans count as foreigners? 22:02:57 UKIP and BNP are sort of worryingly successful 22:03:00 probably: they were eurocrats 22:03:00 go back to anglo-saxon rule. end the norman conquest. 22:03:08 well at least you're not hungary 22:03:09 wait. anglos and saxons were foreigners too 22:03:09 i... guess 22:03:18 imo celts 22:03:22 Phantom_Hoover: yeah it makes me think scotland would be way better off independent, politically 22:03:23 welsh rule! 22:03:29 Phantom_Hoover, thing is, the scottish nationalists just hate the English. The English nationalists have to hate everyone. 22:03:30 basically yes 22:03:38 'Whenever I see people say "lib/lab/con parties are the same, I'm voting UKIP" I read it as "coke and pepsi are the same, I'm drinking piss"' 22:03:48 Fiora: you could say the same thing about americans whining about all the durn immigrants 22:03:57 we could and do 22:03:59 elliott: I totally do, and it's wonderful 22:04:03 WAY AHEAD OF ME 22:04:12 "stupid immigrants", says the white people who are immigrants 22:04:12 i've seen political cartoons making that joke from the 19th century 22:04:17 i mean it's sufficiently devolved that cameron's ongoing demolition of the welfare state hasn't really directly had much effect 22:04:18 wow 22:04:52 (it was actually mildly clever, had a bunch of rich people yelling at an immigrant, and the rich people's shadows were immigrant-shaped) 22:05:02 immigrant shaped 22:05:25 (did it have little labels? those little labels are the best) 22:05:27 yes scruffy with bags and shit use your imagination 22:05:30 shaped like the word "immigrant" 22:05:32 no it's pre-labels 22:05:37 deep politicale metaphores 22:05:48 ("are you getting all these clever analogies i'm making like really these are so fucking insightful") 22:06:01 political cartoons are kind of sad 22:06:15 "has been described by scholars, different press outlets and its political opponents as fascist,[9] neo-fascist,[10] Neo-Nazi,[11] racist,[12] anti-Semitic,[13] anti-Roma[14] and homophobic.[15]" why did i look them up again 22:06:19 do you think they put all the labels on immediately or draw something that could actually be subtle and clever and are like "no I need to be clearer" 22:06:56 In my council constituency (Hexham East) there's a tory, a labour, a lib dem, and a UKIP ice cream man 22:07:01 Taneb: wait which ice cream man is UKIP 22:07:04 so I can avoid them on principle 22:07:10 elliott, the one by the sele playground 22:07:12 (do ice cream men even have names???) 22:07:17 He has a UKIP flag on his van 22:07:19 Taneb: oh fuck I think I've gotten ice cream from there before 22:07:23 Alan Philipson 22:07:26 Or something 22:07:28 okay I don't think it had a UKIP flag at the time 22:07:32 can I skip the seppuku 22:07:38 elliott: http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=277 22:07:38 Yes 22:08:51 Bike++ 22:09:55 man i don't even get european politics. you have political parties that identify themselves with religious sects 22:10:04 We do? 22:10:07 here in america our parties just identify with nothing, it's so easy 22:10:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democratic_People%27s_Party_(Hungary) catholic 22:10:16 we have political parties named after cattle thieves 22:10:25 Yeah, but Hungary is actually fascist now 22:10:39 proper fascist? 22:10:48 I think so 22:11:01 american politics are like... so big 22:11:10 yeah jobbik is all about putting romani and jews in camps 22:11:14 how are you ever going to fix something that big 22:11:20 imo it's like trying to stop a continent moving 22:11:55 a continent full of racist dudes 22:12:09 hey! it's not all racist dudes. we also have tanks 22:12:23 are the tanks racist 22:12:49 i'm reading the bnp website help 22:12:55 “Just Married” – Or is it just a ploy? 22:12:55 Homosexual “marriage” is part of the Sexual Bolshevik social agenda, operating within a destabilisation template to degenerate society; it is particularly aimed at majority ethnic European countries to lower their birth-rate. 22:12:58 -!- SDr has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:13:20 fuck can i be a sexual bolshevik 22:13:22 oh fuck they're onto the gay agenda. it's over, everyone 22:13:35 abort abort abort (<-- subliminal anti-life propaganda) 22:13:40 when did 'agenda' become such a charged word 22:13:55 "majority ethnic" god 22:14:00 the TRUE gay agenda: they want to legalise gay marriage 22:14:01 who is behind the agenda agenda 22:14:08 It literally means "things needing to be done". How is that not charged. 22:14:08 as opposed to people who aren't ethnic 22:14:09 the most frightening gay agenda yet 22:14:36 Phantom_Hoover: it's great because you can use it to discredit literally any group who wants anything 22:14:43 for instance the BNP have a nationalist agenda 22:14:48 also, a racist agenda 22:14:57 (but I repeat myself etc. etc.) 22:15:01 I have a maths homework agenda 22:15:11 the maths agenda 22:15:12 that sounds really boring, agenda-wise 22:15:18 probably there are people who believe in that 22:15:28 have you considered like, burning a cross instead 22:16:08 the burning crosses for no particular reason we're just bored agenda 22:16:14 oh yeah, that'd feed right into your fire agenda 22:16:41 i actually have a burning permit, very agendatastic 22:16:53 agender agenda 22:17:02 agenda stopped looking like a word :( 22:17:15 "Thank you for accepting cookies" wow FUCK you BNP, I never accepted cookies from you 22:17:26 agender agenda, the genderquee agenda 22:17:36 *genderqueer 22:17:40 The concept of “marriage” between homosexuals began to be promoted in the late 20th century, by Cultural Marxist groups such as Freedom to Marry. 22:17:43 Now, even knowing that there are radicals in all movements, this doesn’t lessen the startling admission recently by lesbian journalist Masha Gessen; 22:17:45 don't you see?? the agender people have an agenda it's right there in their name 22:17:46 On a recent radio show she actually stated that homosexual activists are lying about their radical political agenda. 22:17:49 dammit mesha gessen, letting the secrets out 22:17:51 The genderqueer agenda must be utterly amazing. 22:17:53 "cultural marxist" is the dumbest shit 22:18:07 and like come on you know where homosexuality was banned? soviet union under stalin 22:18:35 Bike: they were too gay. they had to control themselves somehow 22:18:42 Bike: Well you see, "Marxist" means "we hate it", and adjectives are evil. 22:18:47 or the sexual bolshevism would get out of control and destabilise everything 22:18:56 adjectives, the great killer 22:19:05 And butt-sex. 22:19:07 so am I like not allowed to marry is that like. asexual marraige 22:19:13 which is part of the gay agenda or something 22:19:24 Fiora: well given the usual "marriage is about babies" argument... 22:19:38 your confusion over your agenda is just part of your anti-agenda agenda 22:19:41 Less than 20% of same-sex couples already living together in California married when given the chance in 2008. In contrast, 91% of heterosexual couples in California who are living together are married. 22:19:54 Fiora: I'm pretty sure heteroromantic asexuals are permitted to marry. But remember, marriage is for procreation. 22:19:59 Bike: there was actually some interesting bits about that in the article you didn't read because it was too long 22:20:00 Clearly this is about cultural change and tearing down the traditional family ethic, since it seems that most homosexuals living together neither need nor desire to marry, though they do desire to radically change marriage. 22:20:18 Fiora: oh yeah? (sorry about that but seriously it was like, twenty pages >_____>) 22:20:24 yeah, I know, sorry >_< I liked it though 22:20:26 today i learned: not getting married is how you signal your desire to break down the institution of marriage 22:20:32 it was a pretty interesting reframing but makes a lot of sense 22:20:34 definitely divorcing Taneb 22:20:51 elliott: i think the idea is supposed to be "gays don't actually want to marry they just want to fuck up marriage" insofar as it has an idea 22:20:55 elliott, I'm keeping the car 22:20:57 Fiora: psst i was asking for you to elaborate 22:20:57 elliott: you're not divorcing Taneb until we get some #esoteric grandchildren, hth 22:21:24 [[ 22:21:25 you know i find it mildly annoying that you can't get heterosexual civil partnership 22:21:26 "If Margaret Thatcher was still in Downing Street, there’d be no need for UKIP." Those 14 words will come back to haunt Nigel Farage. 22:21:28 s 22:21:29 Fortunately, the ever-growing power of social media means that popular anger over such things can now spread, take root and grow whether the controlled media mention them or not. 22:21:32 So we need YOU to do your bit by spreading the following pictures and core messages with Facebook and similar powerful social networking tools. 22:21:35 Don’t just pass them on to existing friends, get active on the web and leave comments and push these ideas and images everywhere you can. Help turn working class anger at Farage viral! 22:21:39 Don’t let on you’re pro-BNP, it’s better to come across just as an ordinary, non-political voter. 22:21:42 Phantom_Hoover: My state has heterosexual civil unions. :P 22:21:42 In fact, if you have time, you could take a little while first to create several new online personalities and then post from each of them agreeing with the other. 22:21:45 ]] 22:21:47 (basic summary: sex-positivism rests on the premise that "sex is nice", which is okay if you use the feminist definition of "sex", but in practice most of society calls a lot of things "sex" that aren't nice at all. and in practice, even though it shouldn't be, sex is largely about power and the expression thereof, which even poisons into non-heteronormative relationships. 22:21:48 this is literally posted on the official bnp website 22:21:50 those last two lines. amazing. 22:21:52 look at those words. 22:21:55 all of them. 22:21:56 elliott: ahaha they're supporting sockpuppeting? for real 22:22:03 Bike: Don’t let on you’re pro-BNP, it’s better to come across just as an ordinary, non-political voter. 22:22:09 Fiora: Yeah, that's the part I actually read. 22:22:15 btw it's followed by like 22:22:19 ten pictures of thatcher with farage's face 22:22:26 i can't stop laughin 22:22:27 g 22:22:27 e.g. leading to the question of "which one of you is the man", e.g. "which one of you fucks, and who gets fucked?" and so any sort of feminism has to be aware of the danger of that fallacy, basically?) 22:22:33 who the hell is nigel farage 22:22:36 Ugh, those questions. 22:22:38 ukip leader 22:23:02 i have to say i am 100% in favour of the racist idiots arguing amongst themselves 22:23:03 So many wrong ideas in there. 22:23:09 I had a dream last night that there was a canvasser for Respect at my door 22:23:17 Fiora: yeah I know about all that stuff (unfortunately?), i guess it's pretty important to keep heteronormativity in mind for remotely feminist anything 22:23:18 (so basically "sex positivism isn't wrong, but it has to be careful of assuming sex is always nice which it is not.") 22:23:38 it was a good piece though, and had a nice section on asexuality too 22:23:49 http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/we%E2%80%99re-not-voting-them-now-farage%C2%B4s-maggie-gaffe-hits-ukip-support-northern-england http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/faratcher-update 22:23:54 this is the funniest thing 22:24:05 before i click those links: do they have ads? i don't want to give them any money at all 22:24:07 To get you started, here are three different photos of Faratcher, plus a different core message to go with each. 22:24:14 Bike: uh not that i can see. use adblock dude 22:24:22 ok i'm confused here do they not like thatcher 22:24:47 well it's about the north and stuff 22:24:49 was she Not Conservative Enough or what 22:24:50 it's kind of complicated 22:24:57 Fiora: By the way, which article is this? :P 22:25:09 well i mean she waited for those damn argies to attack first 22:25:09 um, let me find the link 22:25:15 http://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/the-ethical-prude-imagining-an-authentic-sex-negative-feminism/ 22:25:16 thatcher was sort of not a very nice person if you are working-class 22:25:22 yeah i know that 22:25:25 so let's say you're also racist 22:25:43 and then, that 22:25:50 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:25:51 (it's basically a set of ideas/discussion responding to/complementing the kind of thing in "The Ethical Slut") 22:26:01 like i don't think BNP are really fiscally conservative or whatever 22:26:23 they're just right-wing because, well, you know 22:26:25 Bike, miner's union was edging for a fight, Thatcher said "bring it" and won. Many people are bitter. 22:26:26 do they even care about fiscal stuff 22:26:37 Anyway, I'm off to bed now 22:26:38 Goodnight 22:26:40 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:26:46 Fiora: Neat. 22:26:48 Yeah, I actually just read a book on British capitalism, had a photo of miners being beaten up captioned "Thatcher rolling back the government" 22:26:57 p. funny in a "human suffering" way 22:27:30 they're literally nazis btw 22:27:31 It has been claimed that the BNP has, since its foundation, been fascist. The party's predecessor, the NF, was overtly fascist, incorporating British nationalism, racism, and antisemitism into its core ideology. This ideology was taken up by the newly formed BNP, whose founder, John Tyndall, proclaimed: "Mein Kampf is my bible".[138] Piero Ignazi has said that the "proto-Nazi" mould of the NF, and the "generalised nostalgia for all sorts of fascist 22:27:38 uh that probably got cut off 22:27:43 "generalized nostalgia for all sorts of fascist 22:27:48 fascist tendencies" and association with "foreign ideologies", which continued under the BNP, accounted for the lack of success for both parties in comparison to successful far-right parties in Europe, which disavowed traditional fascism.[139] 22:27:57 -!- Greg4 has joined. 22:28:05 foreign ideologies 22:28:32 need more of that authentic british douchebaggery 22:28:47 that's kind of amazing. it's like. "we're not nazis! because nazis /aren't british/" 22:28:58 The BNP argues that: "To ensure that we do not become a minority in our own homeland, and that the native British peoples of our Islands retain their culture and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration."[16] Under the leadership of John Tyndall the party advocated total repatriation for all ethnic minorities.[155] 22:29:03 When Nick Griffin became chairman in 1999, the BNP changed their total repatriation policy to only voluntary, a key policy which remains to date, offering financial "incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home."[16] The party maintains that ethnic minorities legally in Britain are entitled to stay as long as they always remain the minority population demographically:[156] 22:29:09 you can't make this shit up 22:29:12 maybe that's why "It Could Happen Here" used the BUF instead of the GNP 22:29:27 elliott: god how do you even try to justify that non-racist-ly 22:29:36 that's literally a racial quota? how do you even hide that. 22:29:44 ._. 22:30:10 Bike: "The BNP is not a 'race supremacist' party. The BNP does not claim that any one race is superior to any other, simply that they are different. The party merely wishes to preserve those differences which make up the rich tapestry of human kind ... to protect and preserve the racial and cultural integrity of the British people – and of others too – the party believes in separation ... To sum up, the BNP is fighting for the very right to exis 22:30:17 right to exis 22:30:25 t of not just the British but of all peoples."[167] 22:30:26 hm, did britain ever actually have anything like that? the US sure did, is why I'm curious 22:30:49 i don't even know how to respond to that quote 22:30:53 these people kind of get votes lately :( 22:31:06 i mean, racial immigration quotas 22:31:10 bla bla Chinese Exclusion Act 22:31:15 elliott: I love that they're speaking an immigrant language. :P 22:31:27 The quote-unquote native languages of the British isles are all Celtic. 22:32:17 if the book of invasions taught me anything, it's that the isles don't have any natives because new people keep coming in and killing the old oens 22:32:27 i'm not sure i really agree with the 'how can you criticise immigration, you're a descendent of immigrants yourself' line of thinking 22:32:31 High-ranking politicians from each of the main parties have, at various times, called for their own supporters to vote for anyone but the BNP,[304][305] 22:32:40 btw it's literally called the book of invasions. irish history what is going on 22:32:48 Phantom_Hoover: I mostly just think it's delightfully ironic. 22:33:00 yeah, it's more a sillly joke than a serious criticism 22:33:15 the serious criticism more or less boils down to "you're serious? you're serious. christ" anyway 22:33:37 The BNP was also caught up in a dispute with 1940s singer Vera Lynn after she objected to the party selling copies of her White Cliffs of Dover CD on its website to fund its European election campaign.[322] 22:33:50 In September 2007, The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that Hitwise, the online competitive intelligence service, said that the BNP website had more hits than any other website of a British political party.[323] In 2009, the party's website came under fire after it was revealed that much of the merchandise it sold was made in Honduras, contrary to the party's pledge of "British Jobs for British Workers".[324] 22:33:56 this article is amazing 22:34:28 Great White Records is a record label launched in January 2006 that is described by the BNP as "a patriotic label". 22:34:32 did they really call it that 22:34:35 good lord 22:35:14 ok this is just getting depressing 22:35:16 let's talk about not bnp 22:35:22 ;_; 22:35:23 right 22:35:27 -!- Greg4 has left. 22:35:31 fiora say something about astrophysics, you're our only hope. 22:35:32 i love monoids 22:35:34 they are so trivial 22:35:49 I like cock. 22:35:54 so did you know enceladus is probably a better bet than europa for life in the solar system 22:35:57 ok good effort. 22:36:01 Which one is enceladus? 22:36:07 i like cock too (why is this being discussed) 22:36:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enceladus_(moon) 22:36:12 saturn has too many damn moons, can't we blow them up 22:36:14 (I don't know) 22:36:24 that just makes more moons Bike 22:36:27 i like how greg4 joined and left 22:36:32 and in between it was literallt 100% bnp 22:36:37 but not because of the cocks! 22:36:44 i have a feeling `welcome would not have helped much there 22:36:57 u-um.... 22:37:07 Bike: that's a waste of energy, you should slowly de-orbit one with a magnetic tether and use it to power a big laser for interstellar solar sail craft 22:37:13 wel.... laser sail 22:37:21 yes let me find something that's not about groups of people who hate my existence okay 22:37:28 (we know for sure it has subsurface water, unlike with europa) 22:37:36 Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRB_110328A 22:37:43 a year-long GRB 22:38:11 Fiora: Hate your existence? Lemme guess. One of: not heteronormative, not white, not Christian? 22:38:15 that's a lot of gamma 22:38:17 Well. One or more of 22:39:15 all three? :P 22:39:28 Oh, good times. 22:39:40 * pikhq_ only checks off two of those. So sad. :P 22:39:56 I was thinking the second since they seem to focus more on people-less-white-than-them than anything else 22:40:15 True, they're a bit bigger on the racism than anything else. 22:40:23 i thought 'heteronormative' was meant to be one of those big societal things 22:40:29 Bike: http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0601/0601261.pdf this is a cool paper thing 22:40:30 -!- ion has quit (Quit: Server maintenance). 22:40:42 Phantom_Hoover: Sush you. 22:40:42 it's like a summary of academic stuff on supernovae 22:40:46 *Shush 22:40:49 not a convenient property of individuals that makes them Part Of The Problem 22:41:09 Fiora stop it this is scary astrophysics 22:41:16 no it's awesome astrophysics!!! 22:41:16 oh is it good 22:41:19 i want to click now 22:41:26 b/c i love everything that scares Phantom_Hoover 22:41:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V838_Monocerotis this is also super cool 22:41:47 gosh this paper has like, pictures of simulations of core collapse supernova and stuff *_* 22:41:57 with like, neutron stars accreting 0.1 solar masses per second 22:42:54 phil plait has a really good description of core collapse in death from the skies 22:43:22 the human rights watch has a report by the same name. how confusing :/ 22:44:00 i know nothing about astrophysics am i bad 22:44:02 :( 22:44:06 yes 22:44:10 :( 22:44:12 no! that just means you have so much wonderful stuff to learn 22:44:25 elliott, pop quiz, what does the earth go round 22:44:33 Fiora: ok but one day I will die and learning things takes so long!! 22:44:38 so I compensate by not learning anything 22:44:56 Phantom_Hoover: it goes around a phantom hoover in the sky 22:45:00 elliott: you're bad but i'm bad too?? 22:45:10 I had to explain that the earth both spins and goes around the sun to my mother 22:45:12 Phantom_Hoover: The Earth goes round because the great philosopher ROVNIDCVS declared it to be so. 22:45:14 pikhq_: also "white" is really weird. like I am pretty sure I am lighter-skinned than the average bnp person yet am not white (yes I know like, how 'whiteness' as a thing actually works but it is still so weird) 22:45:14 Well there's always lenses and stuff 22:45:15 -!- ion has joined. 22:45:18 -!- benuphoenix has joined. 22:45:22 and then she didn't understand how the moon could also simultaneously go around the earth 22:45:30 Fiora: Racial terminology is fundamentally broken anyways. :P 22:45:41 i had to try to explain tidal locking to my dad 22:45:46 unsure of whether i succeeded 22:45:47 Phantom_Hoover: imo that's less embarrassing 22:45:52 also 22:45:54 also had to explain that pi isn't 22/7 22:45:55 she didn't know the sun was a star 22:46:01 the history of "white" is really pretty interesting 22:46:03 I'm not sure I actually know how tidal locking works ._. 22:46:14 i think i knew but forgot 22:46:14 I mean really, it conflates skin color, heredity, and a giant fucking list of bullcrap. 22:46:14 well not how it ends up happening 22:46:17 Bike: isn't the history, like, various light-skinned groups getting progressively added to the lump that is 'white' 22:46:18 but what it actually is 22:46:34 so like at one point irish people weren't white but now they are, or ashkenazic jews weren't white but now they are etc 22:46:37 Fiora: Yes, but there are specifics. 22:46:39 the Czech Ambassador has put out a statement pointing out that Czech Republic and Chechnya are different places 22:46:45 .... what XD 22:46:57 kmc: Wow. 22:46:59 nice 22:47:27 if they're different places then why do they have the same name 22:47:32 czechmate 22:47:57 Bike: yes yes sorry I'm oversimplifying <.< 22:48:13 also i tried explaining to my chemistry teacher once how the universe isn't expanding into anything 22:48:17 `it went badly' 22:48:19 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: it: not found 22:48:29 didn't she also reject evolution or something 22:48:31 or was that the big bang 22:48:37 `touch bin/it 22:48:40 No output. 22:48:44 i rejected the big bang 22:48:47 `it went badly' 22:48:49 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/it: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/it: cannot execute: Permission denied 22:48:56 elliott, i really don't know 22:49:15 this conversation was precipitated by her implying that if we dumped nuclear waste in space we might fill it all up 22:49:26 -!- ion has quit (Client Quit). 22:49:37 Is there enough mass for that? 22:49:54 `run echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho no.' >bin/it; chmod a+x bin/it 22:49:58 No output. 22:50:01 I didn't think so. :P 22:50:08 `it is a worthless command' 22:50:10 no. 22:50:26 she also... didn't think you could have pressure in water? 22:50:42 I guess she's never heard of the bends? 22:50:50 she said if i proved her wrong she would give the class a lesson off 22:51:09 that's nothing 22:51:11 she did not. 22:51:17 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 22:51:19 I'd be tempted to just demonstrate pneumatics. 22:51:20 Phantom_Hoover: maybe it could get stuck in orbit 22:51:27 if you prove Dr. Gene Ray wrong you'll get $10,000.00 22:51:35 Sorry, hydraulics. 22:51:37 XD 22:51:40 Bike: btw what book on british capitalism did you read, i will look at it and then say "i should read this sometime" and then not read it ever 22:51:54 but feel slightly more learn'ed (pronounce shakespeareanly) 22:51:59 -!- ion has joined. 22:52:04 elliott: "learnèd" 22:52:08 um it's spelled British capitalism 22:52:17 with a capital B 22:52:21 yes, same as "stripd pair of pants" 22:52:23 why do you think it's called capitalism 22:52:39 è is not é :'( 22:52:42 um. does anyone here have a nature subscription 22:52:46 ē 22:53:11 i used to but it kept calling and it got annoying 22:53:19 (No.) 22:55:05 shachaf: èé look the same to me! 22:55:11 (if I don't wear glasses) 22:55:36 € 22:55:41 Of course, if I don't wear glasses I can barely tell that my screen has *letters* on it. 22:55:59 elliott: "a very short introduction to capitalism" from oxford. it's like 150 pp., nice and easy for lazifolks like you 22:56:09 Bike: well i have to like buy it and stuff 22:56:17 yeah 22:56:41 (^ CAPITALISM) 22:56:45 i should probably visit my university's library some time you know 22:57:25 oh boy this is a series 22:57:27 psst it's not anti-capitalist... wel it cites marx some i suppose 22:57:47 -!- augur has joined. 22:57:49 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:57:57 -!- augur has joined. 22:58:20 shachaf: some of them look kind of bad, but oh well 22:58:28 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Capitalism-Very-Short-Introduction-Introductions/dp/0192802186 22:58:31 is that title font... 22:58:48 pikhq_: people blind without glasses club ^5 22:59:09 Not quite "blind", just utterly incapable of reading. 22:59:09 Bike: hey did you see that talk which also had capitalism in its name 22:59:10 ^5 22:59:18 i really should need glasses it's so baffling 22:59:25 My mom is pretty literally blind without glasses... 22:59:35 like i have stared at a computer screen for long periods of time for many years and i still have good vision 22:59:35 http://fora.tv/2010/03/03/Richard_Wolff_Capitalism_Hits_the_Fan 22:59:41 shachaf: be more sp- oh. don't think so 22:59:43 i kept thinking that website is called fiora.something 22:59:54 elliott: Much of it's hereditary though. 22:59:59 my vision is at the point where if i put glasses on it's like holy shit the world is in hd 23:00:02 oh i think i tried watching it and then i stopped. 23:00:08 but not enough that i need them 23:00:11 where did you stop 23:00:26 soon 23:00:47 Phantom_Hoover: i tried to picture that but then i realised i have no idea what you look like 23:01:12 like a regular hoover, except more transparent and meaner 23:01:13 what's most confusing is how this stopped a first-person mental image 23:01:15 http://writeontrack.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/henry-hoover.jpg except more dour 23:02:46 Bike: have you considered getting a better attention span.............. 23:02:57 any number of jokes i could make 23:03:01 (tip, you won't get it from irc) 23:03:25 http://25.media.tumblr.com/d6411fe8bf9a8da806d29cc5e7fcd0db/tumblr_mliw8vBvXy1qckp4qo1_500.jpg 23:03:30 why did we stop with the astrophysics 23:03:37 because elliott is bad at it. 23:03:49 fuck elliott 23:03:56 :-( 23:04:01 mine is um. I think I'm about 20/400 23:04:02 or something 23:04:10 whoah 23:04:15 why do people say 20/400 instead of 1/20 23:04:16 that's like 20 times better than normal 23:04:22 I think my prescription is about -5.75 or something 23:04:27 Phantom_Hoover: i think because you said it was scary 23:04:44 i think it's because Phantom_Hoover is a meaniehead? 23:04:49 s/$/?/ 23:04:57 20/400 sounds like a lot of 20 23:05:07 when have i been mean to shachaf 23:05:17 mean to other people 23:05:19 like elliott 23:05:25 Bike: good image 23:05:30 he deserves it! 23:05:44 no one deserves Phantom_Meanness 23:05:54 I'm a mere like 20/50. 23:06:13 basically I am a walking stereotype or something 23:06:42 the good thing about stereotypes is that, unlike monotypes, they have hearing in both ears 23:07:17 but who isn't, Fiora 23:07:19 who isn't 23:07:32 elliotttttt 23:07:41 i think i may have made that exact pun before 23:07:50 * elliott talentless hack 23:08:16 Phantom_Hoover: paraplegics hth 23:08:32 fuck 23:08:34 got me there 23:08:49 imo... my joke was better 23:09:36 imo no 23:11:14 you people 23:11:27 agreed. us people. 23:11:56 we the people 23:11:59 elliott: you mean uk people? 23:12:06 `the us 23:12:08 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: the: not found 23:12:19 `? the us 23:12:20 The US is the country opposed to the THEM. 23:12:25 `? the them 23:12:26 Information on the THEM has been removed for national security reasons. 23:12:33 `? information 23:12:34 information? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 23:12:59 Bike: how is the weather in luxembourg 23:13:02 `? monoidss 23:13:04 Monoids are the easy version of categories. 23:13:06 `? monoid 23:13:07 Monoids are just categories with a single object. 23:13:10 i'm not in luxembourg any more! 23:13:14 what! 23:13:18 you moved without telling us? 23:13:23 `? bike 23:13:24 Bike is from Luxembourg. 23:13:31 it says /from/ luxembourg 23:13:44 where are you /to/ 23:13:46 how is the weather in california 23:13:49 hint it's too hot 23:13:53 no it's not :< 23:14:02 Isn't it even hotter where you are? 23:14:16 oh wow it's actually 29 C today 23:14:20 Whereëver that is. I don't actually know. 23:14:31 that's. wow it rose a lot 23:14:32 It'll be over 30° here next week. :-( 23:14:36 it was like cold this morning 23:14:37 i thought Fiora was in LA 23:14:40 wait 23:14:43 Fiora has too much air conditioning to care. 23:14:48 ok i guess LA is actually in CA 23:14:54 it'll be down to 24C for next week 23:14:59 I'm a bit south of LA yeah 23:15:06 elliott: louisiana is not actually in california hth 23:15:14 Los angeles -_- 23:15:15 i was mentally envisioning LA as being on the opposite side of america to CA 23:15:21 and both of them being on the opposite side of america to NY 23:15:25 XDDD 23:15:29 i think my brain does not understand geometry 23:15:34 your right hand, your left hand, your other left hand... 23:15:48 which side of america is boston in 23:15:57 the up side 23:16:11 are there any other parts of america? i don't think so 23:16:58 the downside of america is that it has too many sides 23:17:56 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:18:06 S B NY 23:18:07 the upside of america is Canada 23:18:12 bleh past fail -_- 23:18:14 S B 23:18:16 NY 23:18:17 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:18:18 SF DC 23:18:19 23:18:21 LA 23:18:23 NO 23:18:26 MI 23:18:34 there, a chart of our dumb country place 23:18:48 so the district of columbia is next to science fiction 23:18:50 You forgot to plot Alaska 23:18:55 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 23:18:55 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:19:04 and then you have los angeles, norway, and miami 23:19:04 FireFly: i always thought alaska was a plot hole 23:19:07 which one is mi 23:19:39 science fiction is on the opposite side of the country! 23:19:43 all the web startups are in science fiction 23:19:43 which ones are all of them 23:19:49 i can't read that map 23:20:04 Fiora: hey, some of the web startups are way down here in silly valley! 23:20:15 What is S? 23:20:23 seattle 23:20:31 oh.. 23:20:52 elliott: MI is michigan hth 23:21:01 okay wait isn't science fiction san francisco there 23:21:07 and isn't san francisco in science fiction 23:21:10 er 23:21:14 and isn't sillicon valley in science fiction 23:21:26 kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?=crSPpJx7Js4&t=7m50s is it true this is what drugs are like 23:21:54 silly valley is south of science fiction 23:22:28 Bike: plz add v to that link 23:22:39 did you just type it by hand or what 23:22:40 what happened 23:22:43 ΨΦ 23:22:47 fuck i lost my paracetamol 23:22:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crSPpJx7Js4 23:22:54 isn't it an https 23:23:35 Phantom_Hoover: Don't worry, it was just going to destroy your liver anyways. 23:24:03 presently, i don't mind 23:29:54 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:35:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fortifikation_(Migr%C3%A4ne).jpg still one of my favourite images on wikipedia 23:42:40 it's not even an accurate shitty ms paint job 23:47:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scintillating_scotoma.gif this one is a lot more accurate I think 23:48:17 yeah 23:48:55 sounds like they got the guy 23:49:01 he was hiding out in a boat, on dry land 23:49:12 wat 23:49:14 the last place they'd look 23:49:56 when they found him, they looked at the boat and asked, "water you trying to do here?" 23:50:01 he responded, "long time, no sea" 23:51:01 :') 23:51:48 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 23:51:53 i think we are going to die of pun overdose 23:51:57 are you trying to start a fucking pun thread 23:51:59 (is that a thing you can die of) 23:52:45 if it was I think it would be the best way to die 23:52:52 next to like, sushi overdose 23:57:29 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).