< 1366416051 854452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366416082 545127 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did an interview with the tsareav's dad < 1366416096 261549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :said they were stupid bastards < 1366416119 304966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people interviewing or his sons? < 1366416195 96157 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366416228 806416 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dad said whoever did the bombings were bastards < 1366416234 297020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard they interviewed their uncle < 1366416239 695271 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :their uncle went on a little rant about it and how chechens weren't like that < 1366416241 345684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why do you think they did this?" "because they're losers" < 1366416244 826602 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366416246 155821 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great < 1366416251 407170 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1366416252 655676 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366416270 815060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is amazing < 1366416272 718004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting to the core of the terrorist mythos < 1366416292 10269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot 'idiots' < 1366416568 77508 :benuphoenix!~benuphoen@ec2-54-214-2-99.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com NICK :benuphoenix|away < 1366416654 168369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2013-April/008192.htmlnice < 1366416656 368369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1366416658 417737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2013-April/008192.html nice < 1366416717 468204 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366416750 7760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that research project is cool < 1366416780 138101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-64-206.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366416886 792898 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366416889 918955 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366416902 688283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I guess there is a very good reason to verify that incoming data meets constraints that only happen to exist because the data won't contain weird things... if a service not under our control is buggy and would respond badly to weirdness that it should respond sanely to < 1366416936 898303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trusting external services to be competent at security is a bad idea < 1366417115 776376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1366417118 678702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like slept through _why's day < 1366417127 28074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whytheluckystiff.net/ ok < 1366417133 747827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tax day? < 1366417153 648158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1366417190 458585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scribd.com/doc/136875051/-why-s-complete-printer-spool-as-one-book < 1366417580 302949 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: holy shit i can't wait to read all of this < 1366417586 980100 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so _why!!! at a glance < 1366417719 930266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop talking about work < 1366417758 150123 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds really cool, is there like, a link to the presentation? < 1366418125 40717 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366418131 931630 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366418227 585802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i have < 1366418787 662476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is OWASP well-liked? Are any of its ideas flawed? < 1366418866 182220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suspect in custody. < 1366418914 411547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i've found their wiki to be useful; it does vary a lot in quality though < 1366418958 724087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366419166 209697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Common web application platforms such as Java Struts/J2EE, Ruby on Rails, and PHP can theoretically prevent developers from introducing most classes of vulnerability in the first place. However, the current state of the framework industry is more driven by features than by security; any conflict between the two is usually decided in favor of adding features and ease of use, as opposed to difficult-to-use security enhancements. Some framework < 1366419166 422638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s even have built-in vulnerabilities out of the box!" < 1366419169 21598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes facepalm < 1366419176 191863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am beginning to hate everyone < 1366419185 581747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, I was much angrier this morning < 1366419210 120602 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why are you hating people < 1366419343 534113 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's generally good policy. < 1366419395 592699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because an external widely-used-by-lots-of-organizations competent-seeming web service has a blatant security issue < 1366419415 431907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that new < 1366419433 181989 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP prevents people from making security holes < 1366419435 362403 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuuuuuure < 1366419894 323067 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366420614 944005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was time well spent. < 1366420709 235343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolliott < 1366420723 723052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCALLISTER helloeegan < 1366420756 746018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1366420882 923686 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366420892 723496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WARRANTIES OF TITLE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, QUALITY, ACCURACY, TIMELINESS, COMPLETENESS, QUIET ENJOYMENT, NON-ENCUMBRANCES, NO LIENS, AND SYSTEM INTEGRATION < 1366420904 74947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wanted a warrany of quiet enjoyment. :-( < 1366420991 565024 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366421026 540370 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1366421041 714874 :monqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :mnoqy < 1366421060 498037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi < 1366421069 354503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did monqy have any good messages < 1366421079 744181 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366421083 804958 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were all bad < 1366421092 183567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next time, mnoqy. maybe next time < 1366421101 424638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not next time either < 1366421114 283863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not next time, olsner. maybe not next time < 1366421157 815504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe never, shachaf. maybe never < 1366421207 938905 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366421395 973948 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh apparently that's a real thing < 1366421408 824090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1366421419 64774 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :covenant of quiet enjoyment < 1366421628 514368 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366422007 501868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-70-231.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366422096 232488 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-44-42.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366423266 923426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Don%E2%80%99t_trust_services < 1366423555 361182 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366425404 108741 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366426006 460646 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366426248 607044 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1366426287 856463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.owasp.org/index.php/How_to_write_insecure_code < 1366426312 976882 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366427712 419112 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366427712 829533 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366427880 280512 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366428012 345620 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366428012 551083 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1366429760 920707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you going to become a cryptographer < 1366429762 582134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do it < 1366429802 789804 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo imo < 1366431445 121125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know C++ supports try-catch for constructors? < 1366431480 109660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo() try : x(...) { ... } catch(...) { ... } < 1366431926 480057 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know you can use a try-block anywhere < 1366431938 500351 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be a constructor < 1366431940 919517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ? < 1366431970 171354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual try syntax doesn't involve an initializer list. < 1366431973 509733 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :void f() try {} catch {} < 1366431987 579276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1366431994 519286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you mean. < 1366432057 731694 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly this isn't legal??? []()try{}catch(...){}() < 1366432070 430101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☹( < 1366432072 346745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1366432080 109463 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second class citizens < 1366432087 359743 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tyranny etc < 1366432465 819624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow < 1366432467 730112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not know < 1366432678 834326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: do you know everything about c++ < 1366432710 9335 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows everything about C++. I'm a nobody. < 1366432839 199741 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :function-try-blocks are pointless on regular functions < 1366432852 732908 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but serve a distinct (if questionable) purpose for constructors < 1366434732 770301 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366434845 178461 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366435258 140945 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-44-42.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366435271 71169 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1366435528 779625 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-44-42.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366435529 26868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366435529 27028 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366436043 710102 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366436107 697499 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366436132 211785 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366438449 193491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366438780 533112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366439509 488096 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366439618 464412 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-169.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1366441945 761786 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be reached in http://imgur.com/W8gUtNi? < 1366441999 368404 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-44-42.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366442054 302005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a maths question < 1366442143 763916 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I think what that game is missing is that it isn't taking place on a torus" one thing i'd like to do is to have a game where the play area is some fucked up manifold that changes its global form < 1366442150 604270 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno how that should work < 1366442215 364672 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1366443622 348042 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366443839 793326 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seems i have about 150000 points. i think i have to make some changes to the game. < 1366443952 506549 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1366444954 568085 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-44-42.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1366446313 416957 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1366447062 137705 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366448112 417679 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1366448573 646711 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366449286 489361 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1366449375 586991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366449437 596963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit a new record for how undebuggable a bug can be < 1366449444 767196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I was bounds-checking against the wrong array < 1366449453 646695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus any attempt to try values near the start of the array worked < 1366449679 755531 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-169.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1366449714 948760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Portal? < 1366449729 567238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hahah < 1366449759 407314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was eventually found via the time-honoured method of staring at the code without running it < 1366449799 336791 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to bisection search? < 1366449982 46835 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366450179 327354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zerker: on what? the array? < 1366450198 226995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'd thought "perhaps the first half of the array is being treated differently" I'd have found the bug much faster < 1366450204 897278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not the sort of thing I tend to assume < 1366450205 797003 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code :) < 1366450232 717066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd involve trying to work out what the correct values were halfway through the code < 1366450295 747873 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is nontrivial even for one specific set of input values that has been proved not to work? < 1366450324 768373 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sets_of_four_countries_that_border_one_another < 1366450337 607086 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of my programs have been written for at most one input < 1366450445 117022 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite debugging method is "hit random buttons until it works" < 1366450498 38133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I have 184319 points. < 1366450498 252916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With code I write, I usually know what the bug is as soon as I see it < 1366450523 717041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think imma close the tab now. < 1366450545 997796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no < 1366450547 697355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for it to overflow < 1366450553 147297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just did it. :( < 1366450596 847404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fool < 1366450631 807814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk for a length of time that will likely be between half an hour and an hour < 1366450679 17422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366450989 978194 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366451440 840581 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366451558 619648 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366451691 599671 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366451962 275127 :ThatOtherPerson!d46b64cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.107.100.203 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1366452422 698401 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366454373 159803 :xitrix!~xitrix@bas7-toronto63-1128542315.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1366454998 539499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1366455001 889200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more than an hour, it seems < 1366455383 91465 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366455421 541346 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1366457720 640708 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366457942 241060 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366459589 483155 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366460132 867275 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366460300 503124 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366460327 822139 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-17.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1366460365 882854 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-17.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1366460366 97763 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366460961 982560 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366461745 400956 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366462001 81190 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about a superhero eso. Should it be rigid, datatypes by hero, and action verbs by superpower? Or loosey goosey, code mixed as appropriate? Could be fun, detailing the Spiderman datatype, errr, non-trademarked-human-with-spider-like-powers (tm) linklist type < 1366462102 492470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggn. drop the idea if it's just "a superhero esolang" < 1366462118 172401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :themed languages rarely turn out well except as one-off jokes < 1366462136 192709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these days the joke has to be pretty original < 1366462285 312866 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound advice. Accepted. :-) < 1366462504 853198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you didn't make it a brainfuck derivative < 1366462522 582286 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366462620 99997 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, but my first, cbrain, is. That's what I get for being new ;-) < 1366462673 802785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of brainfuck derivatives < 1366462682 883233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it's been a while since i updated my blog < 1366462694 53811 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all know whose fault that is < 1366462725 652358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i take that as a confession < 1366462742 702588 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blame lies with my maths teachers, of course < 1366462746 182435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have homework to do < 1366462765 955061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btiffin: thematic languages are OK as long as they tie the theme to the semantics somehow < 1366462806 582965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck maths teachers < 1366462966 412820 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that blog that's the best for linking people who say web dev sucks because PHP < 1366463024 43950 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is either a kmc or an elliott question < 1366463068 578726 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I predict superhero the language will remain an idea, pondered and not much else, as per Phantom_Hoover's reality check. < 1366463078 970385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're sort of right < 1366463472 155651 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here use REBOL? < 1366463501 323046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366463511 83772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Sgeo didn't go that deep afaik < 1366464655 914294 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why the hell does str_rot13() exist in the PHP standard library < 1366464666 453076 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that even do what it looks like it does < 1366464828 286851 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366464864 943319 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366464884 403675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366465163 835931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[str_rot13] Changelog: Version 4.3.0: The behaviour of this function was fixed. Before this fix, the str was also modified, as if it was passed by reference." < 1366465167 723428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice that it had a bug too. < 1366465260 753865 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366465322 313862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I mean, the standard library has things like "hebrev — Convert logical Hebrew text to visual text" and "convert_cyr_string — Convert from one Cyrillic character set to another". One should not be surprised. < 1366465437 534272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From what I can tell, convert_cyr_string is like mb_convert_encoding except it has one-character special names for the few encodings -- k for koi8-r, w for windows-1251, i for iso-8859-5, a or d for x-cp866 and m for x-mac-cyrillic -- it supports.) < 1366466322 664517 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366466594 214904 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: Thanks, btrfs. BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000008 < 1366467011 597221 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366467658 985817 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366467737 276589 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1366468223 756763 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: btrfs kernel code dereferenced NULL again. Rebooting to recover. < 1366468370 775106 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366468392 4690 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I was little and lived in Australia there was a cartoon I used to watch that had a koala who used to say "Extra-ordinary!" < 1366468478 235582 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blinky Bill, a googling reveals < 1366468589 706543 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1366468624 437932 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366468937 128780 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366469206 715724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did play with REBOL a little, but not much < 1366469655 406995 :Zerker!~zerker@107-213-57-239.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366469936 906078 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366471047 362102 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366471219 396580 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1366471231 376985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my head I just started comparing PHP to the English language < 1366471448 256833 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is the most awesome comparison < 1366471522 527162 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mess that people claim is easy but really isn't. It's a god-awful mix of half a dozen other languages, combining features from each that weren't meant to be mixed < 1366471541 448069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is inconsistent and has dozens of stupid, arbitrary rules < 1366471695 856347 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone knows it < 1366471717 787272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still really commonplace, it's the de facto language because it is the de facto language < 1366472075 246850 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does english have a bizarre unusual name for some common feature < 1366472104 345178 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so it is a perfect comparison < 1366472367 629157 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366472686 176992 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1366472689 117299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are saying < 1366472728 609114 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :"English is a god-awful mix of half a dozen other languages, combining features from each that weren't meant to be mixed and it's inconsistent especially when it comes to spelling. < 1366472736 32312 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, everybody uses it because they got nukes." < 1366472765 97251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366472768 707280 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I think everyone started using it when the two most powerful countries were the British Empire and the US < 1366472769 306970 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they = native tongues. < 1366472790 647561 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1366472798 677049 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ruining other languages all over the world as well. < 1366472828 897410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation sounds bad < 1366472842 837658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I started it, so it really is < 1366472849 628458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conservation smells bad. < 1366472879 367117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, English and PHP are kinda similar < 1366472888 967696 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1366472895 527195 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck but everybody has to use it. < 1366472904 616897 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1366472923 227540 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably already to late to push esperanto < 1366472936 847284 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1366472949 790291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If NK really had nukes, they could push it < 1366472950 837718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1366472956 128092 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if they want to though. < 1366472957 328354 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1366472961 667316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esperanto wasn't that great if you weren't from western Europe, I seem to recal < 1366472964 668416 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1366472969 677802 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yeah. < 1366472970 277348 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1366472978 327280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NK would use nukes to force the rest of the world to learn esperanto? < 1366472993 507566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you people going on about nukes for < 1366473014 57168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 9 nuclear states, only 2 are anglophone < 1366473014 658760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1366473019 377921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no idea < 1366473061 574039 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: But asian languages probably all are very different from european languages. < 1366473146 237162 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Isn't it "Hey look at my nukes, can I haz free candy"? < 1366473169 468309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'its vastly more complicated than that' < 1366473367 57833 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd advocate lojban, but I don't really want to. < 1366473411 838349 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's lojban? < 1366473418 347616 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some language based on logic. < 1366473424 437133 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1366473446 887485 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't last long < 1366473488 408106 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1366473528 435015 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it why they even wasted time invening lojban. < 1366473538 237635 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :all previous languages failed < 1366473545 373786 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inventing < 1366473557 667403 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they have thought that lojban wouldn't fail too < 1366473576 87795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they thought it'd be a fun exercise < 1366473612 947705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they... really obviously didn't < 1366473655 137440 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1366473667 591381 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can copyright a language. < 1366473669 537755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1366473689 538242 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useful. < 1366473798 57975 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I highly doubt that laws will be written in Lojban. < 1366473823 568512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually want the laws to be interpretable to weird extents. < 1366473848 561197 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reinterpret < 1366473875 977764 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, who wants loopholes in their laws? < 1366473882 829485 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not loopholes. < 1366473887 9054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, how naive < 1366473895 87351 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1366473902 807669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The judge is allowed to reinterpret the law as he pleases < 1366473905 438109 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to some degree) < 1366473933 417831 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that nobody really knows what's lawful and what not. < 1366473960 558356 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why consulting a lawyer is usually useless < 1366473975 687568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, if you take two Lojban words and combine them in a certain way, you need to also know what that combined word means, not just the individual parts < 1366473978 7501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he can't tell you what you want him to tell you < 1366474001 807847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1366474003 178758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wat < 1366474005 938016 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 50% chance he tells you "well, that depends on how the judge interprets the law" < 1366474015 27678 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :law :/ < 1366474020 98349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ where do you even live < 1366474023 817622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland. < 1366474027 407224 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it works here. < 1366474029 957520 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I view less ambiguity in laws as a good thing < 1366474041 208105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not, like < 1366474048 767798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have trial by jury in switzerland < 1366474063 687618 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no jury in switzerland. < 1366474117 28050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's basically the same here except the jury does the interpreting < 1366474118 528123 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g when making a contract < 1366474132 997887 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a "template" in the law for contracts < 1366474145 327422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which states what is what when not otherwise defined in the contract < 1366474151 357969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyone saying 'lawyers are useless, don't bother with them' makes me think they're running their mouth off < 1366474161 477317 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the things in that "template" can be overwritten in the contract < 1366474163 127713 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :some can not. < 1366474163 667350 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, what good would a programming language where anything you say is "up to interpretation" be? < 1366474174 774456 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you would think the law tells you which can be overwritten or not < 1366474177 557775 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the law does not. < 1366474185 477440 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at which point someone will probably give me a link to a language like that -_-) < 1366474186 827478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"everything should basically work like computers, it'd be perfect" < 1366474189 907431 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the judge decides that as he pleases. < 1366474211 327842 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They are not useless. < 1366474218 17755 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't answer all the questions. < 1366474222 928922 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366474231 528252 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't tell them a scenario and expect them to tell you whether it is legal or not. < 1366474231 828590 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I think there's a joke about C and undefined behavior here XP < 1366474241 968239 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't know it < 1366474282 397939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :In copyright law < 1366474293 707993 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are absolutely no objective criterias for when something falls under copyright or not < 1366474313 687397 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :you effectively don't know if something falls under copyright law or not UNTIL a judge said "yes" or "no". < 1366474320 978395 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366474337 727359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still guess at how the judge will interpret it < 1366474344 788281 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1366474348 7915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i daresay for most matters a lawyer knows better than you < 1366474348 222574 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But guessing is not knowing. < 1366474368 167361 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, it reminds me of how a professor told Isaac Asimov "Just because you wrote it, what makes you think you have the slightest idea what it's about?" < 1366474371 887669 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The objective of your laywer is to get the judge to interpret the law in a certain way. < 1366474382 957448 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't guarentee that. < 1366474391 411819 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't get the picture of the Python interpreter saying that to someone out of my mind < 1366474470 669028 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or murder. < 1366474476 128220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only murder if you brutally kill someone. < 1366474483 610434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is everyone talking about and why... < 1366474486 767520 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what "brutally kill someone" means depends on the judge ;) < 1366474498 414084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1366474507 917614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the definition of murder in switzerland < 1366474541 582183 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you kill someone by accident it's not murder. < 1366474548 439411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366474555 607480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. murder is intentional killing < 1366474561 869120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 'brutal' < 1366474573 619222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can accidentally kill someone brutally < 1366474574 438090 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not enough @intentional killing < 1366474592 449061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brutal certainly doesn't even come close < 1366474596 277887 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: We're all having separate monologues that are only slightly related < 1366474596 827788 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1366474609 928646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1366474631 378259 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: what if you politely kill someone? < 1366474633 207943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get anything < 1366474651 27850 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the judge who says if you killed someone intentional or not. < 1366474731 889718 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder has to be intentional AND extreme < 1366474732 351118 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott something < 1366474755 349848 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm pretty sure it's the same in the US < 1366474760 857833 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the jury has more say? < 1366474767 608216 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the law were clear you would not need a jury. < 1366474789 718859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there's not some kind of language barrier here... like if i make a detailed plan to kill someone and then go up to them and poison them or whatever i am going to get arrested for murder < 1366474795 908971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of that is very brutal < 1366474800 781412 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So your lawyer has to persuade the jury to make a certain decision? < 1366474806 997987 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: the jury isn't so much for interpreting the law as for saying whether or not someone actually did the crime < 1366474817 537404 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :h. < 1366474818 468670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1366474819 217490 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's my understanding < 1366474822 318000 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thet it's something else :) < 1366474830 979210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the law were clear you would not need a jury." <-- is this meant to be an argument against interpretation? surely you can see the disadvantages of a totally unambiguous law that covers every single case and is rigorously adhered to < 1366474842 110156 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366474863 467680 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can see the disadvantages, yes. < 1366474871 777577 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :both versions have them. < 1366474893 387974 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ambigous law version has the disadvantage that you can't make a 100% statement whether something is legal or not. < 1366474906 488805 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :until a judge decided on legal or not < 1366474918 337601 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case other judge later will usually refer to the previous ruling. < 1366474922 599765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*judges < 1366474932 867776 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't have to, of course. < 1366474974 87664 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a citizen I want to know if somethin is legal or not < 1366475083 838752 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out that you don't have a chance in most cases < 1366475098 308348 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you consult a lawyer in advance. < 1366475113 39230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for cristal clear cases < 1366475127 157882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like: "Do I have to pay my taxes?" < 1366475215 548659 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consulted a lawyer once < 1366475230 259501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about if you meet your friends to do sports < 1366475244 8569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then some kids gather and play with you < 1366475259 198652 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you liable for what happens to those kids? < 1366475269 498133 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of "parental watch" < 1366475274 577629 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever that term is in english. < 1366475300 913952 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually a simple question which occurs daily. < 1366475308 511256 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he could not give me a "yes" or "no" answer. < 1366475337 847874 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the day I completely lost trust in the legal system. < 1366475367 907882 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :esentially every day you live in a legal gray area and you have no clue what you have to do and what not. < 1366475386 188941 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a poem < 1366475392 388321 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a monologue. < 1366475401 57881 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sad one. < 1366475417 870220 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm very frustrated about the legal system :) < 1366475436 118508 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm supposed to follow the law < 1366475450 269435 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the law can't tell me for sure if I'm following it or not. < 1366475456 743021 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING: --- < 1366475479 948468 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- is pretty rad < 1366475485 67892 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feels like the state is mocking me. < 1366475504 433621 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state is mocking you, personally < 1366475512 109649 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and snickering with its buds < 1366475522 978948 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't what me to know so he can beat me up whenever he wants to. < 1366475526 248157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want < 1366475546 788005 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he actually can. < 1366475565 999704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state is generally immensely concerned with persecuting random programmers < 1366475575 268908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's face it you have 0 risk of actually getting beaten up by the state so why do you care < 1366475586 917931 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The risk of that is > 0. < 1366475597 828619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :;telksr;dlfgjdhlsr; < 1366475599 208403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the legal system is set up this way for that express purpose, not because it's actually quite a sensible way of building it < 1366475603 88329 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about everything. < 1366475622 528150 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a risk I must be afraid everyday of it happening. < 1366475633 738763 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it just might. < 1366475648 588102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now there's a risk i will get so sick of this that i destroy the internet entirely < 1366475654 748553 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1366475656 98360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :start worrying < 1366475658 788700 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't care about the internet. < 1366475664 157849 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't worry about that. < 1366475664 768023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you worrying about the law for then < 1366475681 850052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about cars and showers, then < 1366475690 229451 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ fought the law and the law won < 1366475708 378208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many kinds of drunk or high are you anyway < 1366475708 593643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Bible camp's cancelled. | | I am making the world better by CONFUSING THE TIME CUBES | Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1366475710 288084 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I won. < 1366475722 408216 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blank topic thing? what is this < 1366475733 729329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1366475734 398578 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't drink. < 1366475739 88544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Bible camp's cancelled. | I am making the world better by CONFUSING THE TIME CUBES | Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1366475743 548838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty Bike < 1366475751 908205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, but do you drug < 1366475752 998603 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :my body doesn't process alcohol. < 1366475753 213351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should < 1366475755 618441 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the topic lawyer < 1366475757 728407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there were actually 50 zero width invisible multiocular Os in that space < 1366475760 378399 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't do drugs because they are definetely illegal. < 1366475768 478209 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1366475768 929426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they < 1366475775 968553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a matter of interpretation after all < 1366475780 758424 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drugs" in general aren't illegal, what the hell < 1366475787 188621 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to posses drugs I would be afraid every second that the police will find them. < 1366475795 937376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION panics < 1366475796 152683 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would literally be shaking. < 1366475799 158867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ibuprofen in my bathroom! < 1366475816 598545 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIORA THIS IS THE POLICE. GIVE UP NOW. WE KNOW YOU DEAL WITH HEADACHES < 1366475818 89135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_ you should possibly See Someone about your crippling anxiety < 1366475830 8136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: arrested for crimes against livers?? < 1366475838 209101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1366475842 750598 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But turns out they can't help you. < 1366475855 368190 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can drug you, but that doesn't fix the actual problem. < 1366475857 723614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: fuck i hate sunny days < 1366475879 269361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have prescription drugs! < 1366475880 398571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK! < 1366475904 688208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes, some presecription drugs help fuck < 1366475904 903260 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they don't actually want to help you. < 1366475929 849567 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 'Fraid this one has an occasional side effect of hindering fuck. Alas. < 1366475931 198274 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have prescription drugs too @_@ I even have schedule 4 drugs < 1366475937 299378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flails panicingly < 1366475943 128365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which schedule is that < 1366475953 708350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the least regulated on the list? <.< < 1366475959 638065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is the wimpiest one right < 1366475967 778516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently there is a 5 < 1366475970 232585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I think 5 is? I'm not sure < 1366475980 329022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are schedule drugs? < 1366475986 499209 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drugs you have to schedule daily? < 1366475988 928475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories of restricted drugs in the US < 1366475997 28114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannabis is schedule 1 and cocaine is 2 or something right < 1366476001 947952 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act#Schedules_of_controlled_substances < 1366476006 389641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cannabis is bad < 1366476011 878985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly badder than cocaine < 1366476015 309583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have classes here < 1366476031 268788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. codeine/cocaine/morphine/oxycodone are II < 1366476039 568968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why are drug classificiations always school-themed? there's a conspiracy here i'll bet) < 1366476055 128531 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haaaa why are so many of the schedule Is non-habit-forming hallucinogenics < 1366476057 238519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yes cannabis is schedule I < 1366476067 518369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because they're bad!!! < 1366476070 359214 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366476070 574821 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cannabis that worse? < 1366476071 196493 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hallucinating is baaaad. < 1366476075 809008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think "schedule I" is "things with no legitimate use" < 1366476077 908275 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably harder drugs < 1366476080 548994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically "it's worse" < 1366476089 98519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: stick to safer stuff like cocaine and PCP < 1366476093 739317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what legitimate use is there for cocaine < 1366476096 698717 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course marijuana being on there is dumb but there's some logic to it < 1366476103 360262 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: topical anesthetic, apparently? < 1366476107 108383 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSD has sometimes been used for alcoholism < 1366476112 588346 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, i guess, HIPPIES < 1366476122 248507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heroin is a "painkiller"!! < 1366476123 708094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, is it better at that than, like < 1366476123 923589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Things with no legitimate use, a high potential abuse, and a lack of any safety without medical intervention. < 1366476126 109025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :schedule II time < 1366476127 7996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every other -caine < 1366476136 259012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making honestly a lot of schedule I ridiculous. < 1366476142 458518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's kind of silly < 1366476175 948718 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't have alcohol, k < 1366476176 998159 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice schedule I is "drugs that are 'scary'" < 1366476187 609008 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Alcohol actually has a legit medical use. < 1366476209 278213 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1366476214 768204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines mouthwashes as contolled substances? < 1366476216 922207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgetting things; drowning sorrows < 1366476219 669085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :burning things < 1366476223 978297 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A treatment for methanol poisoning is application of ethanol. < 1366476227 898388 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, i mean like, drinking alcohol < 1366476237 108436 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not rubbing alcohol n stuff < 1366476238 960349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more seriously: as a solvent? < 1366476240 448019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being drunk, you prevent the methanol from being processed in the liver. < 1366476241 798451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo my answer works < 1366476252 968804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so instead you piss it out. < 1366476255 38960 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No harm done. < 1366476257 921109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHB, a general anaesthetic and treatment for narcolepsy-cataplexy and alcohol withdrawal with minimal side-effects < 1366476258 838541 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good cure < 1366476260 963615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :schedule I < 1366476261 638557 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I can turn a language discussion into a drug discussion. < 1366476262 538450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no legitimate use obvs < 1366476264 988281 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except you are going to have a *hell* of a hangover. < 1366476270 558606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :narcolepsy: illegitimate < 1366476281 570094 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably be a very bad politician. < 1366476282 690460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, no that's just the way conversations work < 1366476283 180800 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very good. < 1366476284 938223 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry fiora you're not really sick < 1366476292 649912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a really shit superpower, sorry (i guess?) < 1366476296 238235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I had to guess a lot of the list seems to be very old and politics means it never gets updated/fixed < 1366476304 958349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then they'd have to admit they were wrong about an evil drug or something? < 1366476342 808942 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were a superpower I couldn't have it anayway. < 1366476343 818404 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh. < 1366476344 568488 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Some people seem to assume it's on the list because it's evil, and getting it off the list is tantamount to legalizing rape. < 1366476345 19192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about that old story of cannabis illegalisation being driven by the fact that it makes the black man™ think he's as good as the white man™ < 1366476345 618346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys heard of the nutt sack debacle < 1366476349 628747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The schedulers are kind of international: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs < 1366476350 518273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was just beautiful < 1366476356 154419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHB is also a date-rape drug. < 1366476357 628334 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutt sack, what < 1366476357 843095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, our law refers to those lists in that thing too. < 1366476365 679159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schedules, not schedulers. < 1366476372 229927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose process schedulers are international too? < 1366476411 638979 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366476416 751206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the head Science Guy What Tells The Government About Drugs (the eponymous Nutt) basically said the drug policy was a load of bullshit < 1366476420 448413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it treats narcolepsy wouldn't it be like the opposite of a date-rape drug... (n.b. i have no idea how narcolepsy or date-rape drugs really work) < 1366476426 680441 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Ekib < 1366476427 498342 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : bikE emoclew` < 1366476430 909819 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1366476432 383915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ekib: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1366476434 94174 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe in small quantities or something? but modafinil is way better for narcolepsy < 1366476444 478261 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn for a second i thought you were going to say everything i did backwards < 1366476444 813629 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdrawkcab did i gnihtyreve yas ot gniog erew uoy thguoht i dnoces a rof nmad < 1366476448 928726 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are < 1366476449 335025 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :era uoy ho < 1366476451 508193 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems like it doesn't really have any uses besides assholes drugging people < 1366476453 751719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok who is setting up all the bots to reverse people < 1366476456 219874 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, cool. < 1366476456 668110 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.looc ,looc < 1366476457 38878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with reversed versions of their name < 1366476459 78430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereupon the government demonstrated their commitment to a rational, evidence-based drugs policy founded on sound medical advice by sacking him < 1366476459 293378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo stop it < 1366476461 458758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got old the second time < 1366476467 688737 :Ekib!~Ekib@u16581147.onlinehome-server.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366476470 228464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1366476483 888547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :precaution: make sure your name is a palindrome < 1366476505 638728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :onlinehome-server.com sounds like a domain used to control botnets < 1366476506 89281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incrementing me by one makes me a palindrome. < 1366476506 388877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_motnahP < 1366476510 118645 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence).svg haha welp < 1366476522 588505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom imhotep < 1366476529 489277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't he get fired for that < 1366476533 779189 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :botnets are like clouds. < 1366476543 88780 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In January 2009 he published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology an editorial ('Equasy – An overlooked addiction with implications for the current debate on drug harms') in which the risks associated with horse riding (1 serious adverse event every ~350 exposures) were compared to those of taking ecstasy (1 serious adverse event every ~10,000 exposures)» < 1366476559 48690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366476571 164166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I remember that horse thing. < 1366476574 73768 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1366476576 958366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :schedule I horse riding < 1366476590 588630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366476593 469825 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He was asked to go because he cannot be both a government adviser and a campaigner against government policy. [...] As for his comments about horse riding being more dangerous than ecstasy, which you quote with such reverence, it is of course a political rather than a scientific point." hoo boy < 1366476602 118833 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nutt also made the point that if you have a guest and you offer them a bowl of nuts and a bowl of ecstasy it's far safer for them to go for the ecstasy < 1366476614 508231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the primary risk of ecstasy is drinking too much water or something right, or is that a myth < 1366476621 338420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think that's a myth < 1366476627 9145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that myth is probably harmful < 1366476632 518439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes people not drink water? < 1366476632 948874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because way more people are hurt due to not drinking enough water < 1366476647 689135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can always count on kmc for my #accuratedruginformation < 1366476889 815708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 4/20 nerds < 1366476929 630262 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I want to know what's special about 4/20? < 1366476950 118648 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's death drug day < 1366476955 479594 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannabis day hooray < 1366476957 839631 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1366476959 138879 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1366476960 848401 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baze it < 1366476973 101628 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in Colorado, where it's healthy recreational drug day. < 1366476994 898692 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favourite ice cream man got arrested for drug dealing last year < 1366477001 526013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: is this the ukip one < 1366477004 779207 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1366477011 965160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You seem to have bad luck with ice cream. < 1366477012 608658 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the UKIP one sorry < 1366477014 610427 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was the one by the high school < 1366477020 959594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the one by the first school < 1366477023 18807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he sell weed ice cream < 1366477024 439044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd buy it < 1366477031 38797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1366477046 630551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did sell cocaine ten pence mix ups, though < 1366477069 600209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1366477073 868886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than ten pence I expect < 1366477078 791545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1366477091 629170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got arrested for bankruptcy < 1366477095 688899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sold them drugs too cheap < 1366477125 278953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's the price of cocaine #accuratedruginformation < 1366477146 579469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i can only imagine the crowd at CU Boulder right now < 1366477151 899391 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1366477162 368878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: let me steal a joke a friend told me yesterday < 1366477165 139956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean even before it was legalized, this was a school where the authorities sent an official message warning students with respiratory problems to stay away from the quad < 1366477172 438724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a special day, because it's celebrated by a well known, popular fantasy race < 1366477176 524 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the high elves < 1366477179 149884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1366477186 648469 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<______<; < 1366477187 788460 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible. < 1366477202 469671 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1366477207 288844 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just because of the elves < 1366477208 709183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i groaned in recognition solely because i've seen someone make that joke before < 1366477214 438517 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrendous < 1366477216 808763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<______<;[->++<] < 1366477224 269879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those love/hate days w/ the internet < 1366477226 768945 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeeeggyyyyyyyy < 1366477236 740055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_monaD < 1366477237 940131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_motnahP: i thought you were reconciling with the elves < 1366477254 363356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's me < 1366477268 202814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knowwwwwww < 1366477272 480888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1366477287 769073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know how much cocaine costs < 1366477295 948930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never bought any cocaine or 'done' any cocaine < 1366477304 18571 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why?? < 1366477310 408847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1366477322 519175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sounds very "square", are you not "hip" to the "kids" < 1366477337 658677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am "peer pressuring" you right now < 1366477338 408902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1366477348 639684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pier pressure < 1366477351 500312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with enough pressure, he might < 1366477352 749132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crack? < 1366477354 928445 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, apparently cocaine is really expensive < 1366477365 32961 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, ... < 1366477367 108996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even call it < 1366477367 958200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocaine < 1366477369 749114 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't I think of that < 1366477394 181579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Phantom_motnahP you didn't tell me how hard it was to stop yourself revealing that your pun doesn't actually exist when you did it < 1366477396 199332 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pier pressure is a serious phenomenon, it's hard to keep those things going in the presence of wave motion < 1366477435 149403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the movie Mr T's Be Somebody or Be Somebody's Fool, there's a segment about peer pressure which takes place on a pier < 1366477451 859862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the protagonist is a small kid sitting on a bench < 1366477465 729690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various 'no-good teenagers' come up to him and try to literally shove alcohol and cigarettes in his mouth < 1366477496 739797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Mr. T stands about 4 feet away with his arms crossed shaking his head sternly < 1366477503 739799 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i still really want to know how oerjan managed to get the mackerel one < 1366477504 39372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't actully intervene of course < 1366477542 459841 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1366477547 359365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this actually happened to me irl < 1366477558 729291 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The production drew strongly on new wave and R&B culture of the mid-1980s to appeal to children to respect elders, avoid peer pressure, and build self-confidence." < 1366477560 539305 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1366477570 80108 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roots - Mr. T says "Ya can't know where you're going if ya don't know where you're from" and explains the symbolism of his gold chains. < 1366477574 379358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow < 1366477590 79373 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recouping - When a kid trips on the sidewalk, "Dr. T" shows how one can preserve their dignity after an "absoludicrous" mistake by playing it off as a break dance move. < 1366477610 348885 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. T's Tale - Mr. T tells his version of Romeo and Juliet and gives a pro-reading message. < 1366477617 850152 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1366477766 317222 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366477931 8870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah Romeo and Juliet, the inspiring story of a three day relationship between a 13 year old and a 17 year old that ended in 6 deaths < 1366477978 999053 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure everyone in here hates it < 1366477980 759277 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine if most teen romances ended in six deaths < 1366477999 289044 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it because i had to spend two fucking years of english classes 'analysing' it < 1366478018 72030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't take it seriously anymore because < 1366478021 359307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only think of the DiCaprio movie < 1366478023 29019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the gun < 1366478024 659937 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :labelled SWORD < 1366478028 749590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two years of analysing Mr. T, oh, what a fate. < 1366478029 468824 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, LONGSWORD < 1366478030 311127 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, Much Ado > R&J < 1366478043 49726 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of Shakespeare's more boring plays. And fucking idiots think of it as being a romantic tale. < 1366478052 569109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read much shaxpear < 1366478067 609383 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Othello and the Comedy of Errors < 1366478077 220355 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Richard II and Richard III < 1366478080 630989 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare in film is just great overall fiora, you know there's an adaptation of Hamlet involving the "Denmark Corporation" < 1366478097 939831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe we literally talked about this weeks ago. < 1366478103 289367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i say the same things about hamlet < 1366478105 958744 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS A GOOD ADAPTATION OKAY < 1366478106 330933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to do < 1366478112 388880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not just your line! < 1366478114 429853 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... everything < 1366478130 109764 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what XD < 1366478152 359712 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hamlet In Modern Times, man < 1366478157 878071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: He's a decent playwright that a lot of people misunderstand. Badly. < 1366478171 489793 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First secret to Shakespeare: about half of it is dick jokes. < 1366478215 858951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it kimchee or shachaf or someone who wanted more astrophysics < 1366478218 375215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/1106.0923v2.pdf < 1366478230 860209 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366478404 389546 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go get ready to go out < 1366478416 899553 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, avoid the golf club if you want the universe to stay intact < 1366478427 459477 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also where is the golf club < 1366478440 840358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's thingy < 1366478443 819738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've run across it before < 1366478455 679432 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham golf club, not Tyne Green golf club < 1366478470 199491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows < 1366478483 459040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, it's right on the other side of town < 1366478647 349134 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the gun says 'SWORD 9mm' < 1366478664 9503 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=238 shakespeare < 1366478667 53155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probalby remmber better than me -_- < 1366478674 829532 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, there were two guns, I think < 1366478677 852173 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent use of metaphor and... pathetic fallacy? < 1366478688 10541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the beginning they used a SWORD 9mm < 1366478698 49503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Lord Capulet (I think) had a LONGSWORD < 1366478698 349882 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this channel is wonderful < 1366478699 663615 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1366478720 389571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1366478720 919955 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lord capulet don't fuck around < 1366478726 559542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just remembering the moment where the guy is like BRING ME MY LONGSWORD < 1366478734 449602 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he gets a gun made by Sword < 1366478737 850077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is just the best < 1366478755 119176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we watched it in class, I'm not sure < 1366478760 840342 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in like, middle school < 1366478764 829084 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same < 1366478781 671066 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best part of that movie was mercutio though < 1366478784 959223 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just said it is < 1366478791 19622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The debris produces a small but massive accretion < 1366478792 459837 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk" < 1366478800 129381 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this sounds so contradictory out of context) < 1366478800 580083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how shakespearian < 1366478817 200370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: if you know what "massive" means, it doesn't < 1366478832 169237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know <.< the context is "it's white dwarf degenerate matter, so yes it's small and massive" < 1366478845 511296 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc JOIN :#esoteric < 1366479337 660206 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366479497 290494 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366479517 569894 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-36.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366479534 541192 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1366479608 581153 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366479662 780417 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366479668 719884 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366479827 831648 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:60d1:e37c:e0a7:95dc QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1366479846 470924 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366479868 249768 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366482328 468810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think drinking hot coffee everyday broke my ability to swallow. It feels like I can only gulp now < 1366482581 737561 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you swig? < 1366482598 711729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you quaff < 1366482612 620718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: press q < 1366482674 671005 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tell me to do something useful < 1366482684 797040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: do something useful < 1366482713 671033 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they could also tell me something to do in a useful manner < 1366482739 491322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :contribute to Mosh: https://github.com/keithw/mosh/ < 1366482827 81356 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1366483021 51570 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that looks interesting < 1366483049 691166 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I probably don't have the required time/will to get into the project < 1366483055 981713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is getting paid so much right now < 1366483058 439636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this advert < 1366483357 754521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Mosh work well or poorly for Nethack/other roguelike servers? < 1366483364 901811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially due to the prediction stuff < 1366483375 563217 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1366483397 191377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably well < 1366483404 691685 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you intimating that kmc is a spambot? < 1366483406 731224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction wouldn't do anything < 1366483413 586003 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a well-paid spambot < 1366483416 831265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why UDP? < 1366483425 391294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why tcp < 1366483433 950882 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to work on mobile connections isn't it < 1366483435 659896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's effectively doing the work of tcp in some ways < 1366483435 875143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prediction is pretty conservative by default; it will only echo characters if it's seen a character echoed on the same line < 1366483440 581804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because keystrokes and c... ah < 1366483443 882634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not based on sending a stream < 1366483447 850901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on synchronising a state < 1366483448 262455 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :often not practical to establish a "real" "connection" < 1366483473 503066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes several reasons for UDP: a) roaming, b) making your own flow control that's better suited to the interactive traffic c) synchronizing states rather than sending an in-order reliable stream < 1366483484 621232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that portion of the protocol could be useful elsewhere? < 1366483485 630780 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... UDP can cause a lot of implementation hassle :D < 1366483499 351982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a packet is dropped and the terminal has updated in the meantime, the server can send the new state; it doesn't need to retransmit the old packet exactly < 1366483504 551198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I guess state synch is domain specific < 1366483508 110943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, KeithW has already applied it to video conferencing as well < 1366483516 460773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state sync protocol is reasonably generic < 1366483528 761375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can synchronize any object type with serializable diffs, basically < 1366483534 891102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can join #mosh and talk to him about it more < 1366483541 851753 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do IPv6? < 1366483545 31106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet :/ < 1366483549 301015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should add IPv6 support < 1366483557 851033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serializable diffs and unique IDs for each state? < 1366483561 891210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1366483567 651091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a paper linked to from mosh.mit.edu < 1366483569 351561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because otherwise how would it know which diffs to use < 1366483570 42728 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't bother though < 1366483572 311250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lays out the protocol somewhat < 1366483604 721523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't remember that book on security that kmc recommended < 1366483605 621588 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :software written in 2013 should do IPv6 I think tho < 1366483615 731543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: great, we look forward to receiving your patch < 1366483635 954038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The Tangled Web? < 1366483639 105154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about web security < 1366483640 951873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ty < 1366483641 253063 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I said maybe, which probably means "unlikely" in this particular case < 1366483642 301406 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366483677 371284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: sorry to be sarcastic, it's just that we all agree IPv6 is a high priority, but nobody is working on Mosh full time atm < 1366483685 111418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeithW is a grad student with lots of grad studenty work < 1366483687 211238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a lazy bum < 1366483690 930899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might start contributing more though < 1366483711 441402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With coverage extending as far as planned HTML5 features, The Tangled Web will help you create secure web applications that stand the test of time." < 1366483712 874893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: in particular he believes (and I'm inclined to agree) that we can't really claim IPv6 support unless we also support roaming between v4 and v6 < 1366483715 980890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book sounds a bit old? < 1366483724 191535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because roaming is a core part of the Mosh experience < 1366483749 491186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that in turn means that mosh needs to be aware of multiple server IPs and switch between them if traffic isn't getting through < 1366483756 931930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now Mosh doesn't even notice that it's roamed < 1366483764 502015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just always sending UDP packets and sometimes they get through < 1366483769 661136 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you allow public-key authentication with anything else than RSA? < 1366483778 182908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't roam during the SSH handshake, right? < 1366483783 341397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: all authentication and public-key crypto is handled by SSH < 1366483793 592668 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, so nothing "extra"? < 1366483810 331570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the 'mosh' wrapper script uses ssh to launch a mosh-server on the remote host, which prints a symmetric crypto key, and then it launches a mosh-client locally with that key < 1366483820 171860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there they communicate using 128-bit AES in OCB mode < 1366483831 842557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great because it means the Mosh crypto story is super simple < 1366483835 644545 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is just an ssh server and client? < 1366483837 901512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all your strange SSH authentication methods still work < 1366483843 281417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: hm? < 1366483847 492356 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366483847 706946 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366483862 502372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's a totally different protocol < 1366483863 402083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, writing NetHack in the language where every program is NetHack is super simple. < 1366483863 852132 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought this was like an extension of SSH or somethign < 1366483872 88970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mosh.mit.edu/ < 1366483894 781594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the complexities of ssh in some sense add to mosh complexity? < 1366483895 170862 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which perl should I use on Windows? < 1366483899 971935 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strawberry? < 1366483907 772048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the 'mosh' wrapper script uses ssh to launch a mosh-server on the remote host, which prints a symmetric crypto key, and then it launches a mosh-client locally with that key < 1366483908 521436 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366483918 725437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the SSH connection terminates and mosh-server and mosh-client talk to each other using the Mosh protocol < 1366483937 672835 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1366483944 231326 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a mosh client running on the server? < 1366483946 701474 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366483958 191164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, but people already trust SSH, and keeping it secure is someone else's responsibility < 1366483962 701578 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "Mosh is a replacement for SSH" < 1366483963 151701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ssh is only used for authentication/handshakey stuff < 1366483967 118972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: no, there's a mosh-server on the server, and a mosh-client on the client < 1366483967 820984 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with ssh? < 1366483973 431453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried reading the page < 1366483973 871510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know hat < 1366483975 791662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what < 1366483977 991123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you read the page < 1366483985 531068 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reading it < 1366483986 698928 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy talk < 1366483988 211936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc you're too slow < 1366483988 961421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1366483989 175958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least pay attention to the things people are saying in channel < 1366483995 981378 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also trying to < 1366484001 661729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it spells out pretty explicitly at the top what the advantages over SSH are < 1366484014 711744 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading them < 1366484018 622335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok kmc. i'm using mosh... right now < 1366484054 601465 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366484060 112130 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know chinese? you should traslate this two thousand page book for me because victorians can just go fuck themselves < 1366484065 662329 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1366484065 960784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_: no and okay < 1366484068 181284 :Bike_!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366484068 811315 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Windows -_- < 1366484073 171192 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1366484073 532635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any support for decoupling mosh from ssh and using something else for auth+handshake? < 1366484076 181569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another advantage of delegating connection setup to SSH is that there's no persistent mosh daemon that needs to be installed and run as root < 1366484096 921092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a persistent ssh daemon that needs to be installed and run as root < 1366484099 82282 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck victorians. fuck england < 1366484099 297172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead you have one mosh-server process for each connection, running as that user, and it could just be running out of their homedir < 1366484112 518684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: right. but people already have that. < 1366484121 891486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would want to keep it even if they install mosh < 1366484126 536290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because SSH does some things Mosh doesn't < 1366484129 181849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 僕中国語知無。 < 1366484147 171746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are examples further down the page of how to launch mosh-server and mosh-client manually < 1366484148 671235 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1366484151 781042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need root if you want to log in as users < 1366484175 911163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not that useful now that people whitelist ssh users < 1366484181 4057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but running a bunch of servers would sort of suck too < 1366484181 451318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know somebody wrote a wrapper to launch mosh over HTTPS, and someone else wrote one for SMS :) < 1366484184 906675 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it uses SSH for the authentication, and the rest is a different protocol? < 1366484186 857703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need... a supervisor running as root < 1366484190 931240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that starts up all the little servers < 1366484191 981075 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes. < 1366484198 171409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless everyone just put it in their crontab or something which uhhhh < 1366484201 591141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically it could use something else for authentication. < 1366484219 181180 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SSH is already there. < 1366484232 911081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But you'll need working UDP." < 1366484241 352154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is UDP iffy? < 1366484252 311915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in the sense of people not having access to working UDP < 1366484255 931356 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not really. < 1366484258 63853 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there systems that don't have working udp < 1366484267 161306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some particularly bad NATs don't pass it through sanely. < 1366484270 341817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your server is behind a firewall then you need to forward a port for it < 1366484275 612644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one port per concurrent Mosh connection < 1366484296 931580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those NATs break a lot of stuff. < 1366484316 51524 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably need root access to forward ports though < 1366484324 101562 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim you don't need root < 1366484341 353131 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT eduroam at our university blocks UDP completely < 1366484360 842456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ! How do you live without BZFlag? (iirc BZFlag uses UDP but I might be wrong) < 1366484373 441486 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of games use UDP. < 1366484388 853908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some really restrictive public WiFi doesn't allow UDP < 1366484390 571753 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocking UDP is a sign of incompetence. < 1366484391 761931 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of BZFlag so I guess the answer is "without worrying about it" < 1366484405 491478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only traffic which can reliably make it across the Internet unmolested is 443/tcp < 1366484409 141766 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eduroam isn't public (although at the campus I guess it practically is) < 1366484409 821644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is why we can't have nice things < 1366484426 971336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fantastic multiplayer game < 1366484431 731439 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you should run SSH on 443/tcp. < 1366484432 672375 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I figured < 1366484450 23983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366484452 327674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ok, maybe fantastic is overstating it) < 1366484454 703256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed this when I noticed my laptop's clock being off by a minute or so < 1366484482 81646 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366484494 711701 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since NTP uses UDP < 1366484543 361853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what http://www.rutschle.net/tech/sslh.shtml and https://github.com/stealth/sshttp are for :) < 1366484576 303465 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how does the "If the client changes IP addresses, the server will begin sending to the client on the new IP address within a few seconds." part work? < 1366484582 491246 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1366484593 782557 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366484596 291820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the client is always sending packets to the server < 1366484609 191970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the server gets an authenticated packet from a new IP, it will start responding to that IP instead < 1366484616 461560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the client can roam but the server can't < 1366484624 802014 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1366484625 16842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but we have plans to add some degree of server roaming) < 1366484651 132454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the client doesn't even notice it's roamed < 1366484657 302245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice as far as making the design simple and robust < 1366484685 961801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example it works just as well if a router upstream of you has roamed < 1366484692 422085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The heartbeats allow Mosh to inform the user when it hasn't heard from the server in a while (unlike SSH, where users may be unaware of a dropped connection until they try to type)." < 1366484705 421912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want < 1366484794 661852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SO 2022 locking escapes < 1366484794 876644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Mosh will never get stuck in hieroglyphs when a nasty program writes to the terminal." < 1366484795 432538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tried to go check inside, if it says anything official about eduroam: "Aalto University´s web services will have an extensive maintenance downtime on 19.-21.4.2013. This is because the university´s data center is moving. We apologise for the inconvenience." < 1366484800 721670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also note: ´ in place of '.) < 1366484803 641893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that locking stuff even happen < 1366484828 402434 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do you access inside from outside < 1366484842 481956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: By... typing "inside.aalto.fi" to a browser? < 1366484870 28299 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366484873 52778 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's the downtime < 1366484877 641453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are terminal control codes to tell the terminal to switch to a different character set < 1366484882 342061 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been yesterday that I tried it < 1366484888 356684 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but it doesn't roam when you change devices of course. Could you add this if you public-key cryptography instead of AES OCB? < 1366484889 362755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The certificate is only valid for the following names:vhosts.aalto.fi , halli.tkk.fi , hse-halli.tkk.fi , itp.aalto.fi , itp.hse.fi , kuore.org.aalto.fi , mapple.aalto.fi" < 1366484894 231670 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then a 403 < 1366484904 997076 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if you used < 1366484915 751423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It worked fine last time I used it from outside, probably a week or three ago. < 1366484922 732399 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1366484939 951875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: maybe, but the simple solution is to use screen or tmux on the server (which provides a lot of things mosh doesn't) < 1366484944 172852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've probably done that approximately never which is why I just assumed it's inside-only < 1366484978 725643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be "instead of AES" so much as "in addition to"; almost every application of public-key crypto uses it to establish a symmetric key < 1366484985 152136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and public key crypto is more complicated to begin with < 1366485001 192131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be a huge increase in the complexity of the security-critical codebase < 1366485006 27843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It does require the (Shibboleth?) login from outside, can't recall if that was the case from inside. < 1366485063 432172 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah. I guess you could do this too if you redid the key-agreement < 1366485082 49015 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and still have a static key) < 1366485096 16752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing people want is the ability to reattach to a mosh-server if the corresponding mosh-client dies (e.g. if your laptop reboots) < 1366485107 752819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's also not possible with mosh itself, and is also solved easily enoguh with screen / tmux < 1366485120 761826 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that would fall under the same thing as device switching I guess < 1366485125 142373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do have to manually kill the abandoned mosh-server which is a pain < 1366485144 163291 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every mosh client had a static public key I guess it might be possible < 1366485147 733557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you do something like 'mosh host -- screen -dR foo' in which case the new mosh connection will make the old mosh-server exit < 1366485162 372470 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you could use something like DH or FHMQV to agree on a new key < 1366485173 912291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh + dtach handles this perfectly well btw < 1366485207 992068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1366485256 414765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the locking control codes are obsolete because UTF-8 provides a way to print any character in a stateless way < 1366485261 151950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some programs still use them < 1366485350 562724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ncurses programs you sometimes need to set NCURSES_NO_UTF8_ACS=1 < 1366485365 591977 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366485615 954324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366485833 93917 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366486263 112805 :Lumpio-!~user@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366486268 269411 :Lumpio-!~user@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Client Quit < 1366486297 643259 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366486783 801375 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366487112 482821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130420-fungot.flac < 1366487208 302662 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.flac??? < 1366487208 517386 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this < 1366487233 322404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would not explaining it ruin it? < 1366487279 60703 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fungot trying to say something! < 1366487279 275193 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fungot < 1366487340 302823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess one problem with convincing someone to drop out of college and join your startup is that you then feel really guilty firing them even if they're a shit employee < 1366487344 437338 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances to fungot's rhymes < 1366487374 143062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, where *is* fungot, anyway? < 1366487392 273256 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how many startups have you founded. like twenty < 1366487393 292793 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366487397 412448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1366487408 802846 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds fungot more hemlock < 1366487409 472702 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: last year for a company of approximately 2 employees. the way i'm seeing the " fnord" < 1366487427 671254 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fungot is existence transformed into an irc connection giving life into a presense named fungot < 1366487428 323299 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: evaluating ( display ' ( " .ss". scheme-mode) auto-mode-alist))) < 1366487456 102501 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows Lisp o.o < 1366487456 552691 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: nm, it works, so i was trying to < 1366487703 495286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot.flac is what you get if you render fungot's source code (in DejaVu Sans Mono, rotated 90 degrees) into a 513x6592 pixel bitmap, then consider that image as a magnitude spectrum (for the [0, 11.025] kHz range, with 1024-sample windows and 75% overlap) and resynthesize a time-domain signal with that spectrum and arbitrary phase, as per (Griffin et al., 1984). < 1366487703 873022 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to address the limitations of your compiler. i don't < 1366487748 432889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "beat" is probably lines of text. < 1366487768 133285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no a spoiler < 1366487800 383450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1366487917 148923 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1366487974 154227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot less dissonant than I expected < 1366488022 113446 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot should get signed with virgin babylon < 1366488022 365517 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in all seriousness, but still < 1366488080 883502 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366488100 892947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hiss in the background is because my implementation of (Griffin et al., 1984) had some... issues -- http://sprunge.us/PXGX -- when I tried to feed it a spectrum with that many real zeros in it. (So I just added a -17 dB (relative) or so background white noise.) < 1366488225 143014 :xitrix!~xitrix@bas7-toronto63-1128542315.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366488418 423046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The part around 50-55s in is the Underload interpreter.) < 1366488624 164005 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic? esoteric programming with multiset alternative evaluation model: {1,2} + {3,2:4} => {4,3:5,2:6} < 1366488696 453384 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-255-131.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366488854 63770 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{1,2} {3,4}} => {1,2,3,4} < 1366488882 574826 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-61-39.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1366488915 734238 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops: {{1,2},{3,4}} => {1,2,3,4} < 1366488959 55339 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{1,2} {3,4}} => {1 3,1 4,2 3,2 4} < 1366488970 863710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366489023 863668 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand the model but interpreting expressions by hand is tricky < 1366489149 184084 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-255-131.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366489336 284176 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the following expression evaluate to? < 1366489343 146102 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :({1,2} + {2:3,4}) * {5,2:6} ? < 1366489515 64188 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one? < 1366489518 327192 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand < 1366489520 175480 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2:20,3:25,4:24,7:30,2:36} < 1366489626 101391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you're talking about < 1366489643 663823 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: good! so it's pretty esoteric < 1366489704 563671 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about a esoteric evaluation model < 1366489752 294792 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1366489761 954870 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that yields 'alternative' values as opposed to single values < 1366489841 73941 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had to do that in the way that seems natural to me i'd say {3:20,12:36} < 1366489843 364413 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference: prolog, generators, etc. < 1366489877 145592 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: interesting, what's natural to you? < 1366489893 814626 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1366489897 653965 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess i'm taking the sets as ordered pairs < 1366489898 104220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a multiset monad in Haskell can't you < 1366489900 552802 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not that great < 1366489920 529183 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not quite... < 1366489923 463714 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1366489924 663865 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes quite < 1366489927 183961 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1366489932 965889 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: Rebooting the server once more due to btrfs issues < 1366489940 853978 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic(T) might be satisfactory?? < 1366489955 444179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i haven't founded any startups and don't think i'd want to < 1366489961 914421 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :list "almost works" < 1366489979 114162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves a bunch of stress and a bunch of non-technical problems and you don't get paid < 1366490017 118707 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :({1,2} + {2:3,4}) * {5,2:6} => {2:4,3:5,6} * {5,2:6} => {2:20,3:25,4:24,7:30,2:36} < 1366490022 624376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i might like being Employee #1 at a startup but I couldn't get along with Employee #2 and they decided to keep him instead of me out of I think guilt / obligation < 1366490070 364282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dunno < 1366490099 583997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: x:y is supposed to be a range, yes? < 1366490103 43743 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:y means x times y < 1366490112 214826 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1366490113 633877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, me. < 1366490116 247850 :ion!~ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366490162 123889 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so {2:3} + {3:4} => {6:7} < 1366490206 864780 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: may be you can suggest a better notation (without using *) < 1366490243 24748 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i get it now < 1366490253 881046 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ignore me < 1366490307 874255 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i won't ignore you < 1366490328 625944 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could < 1366490334 884421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can see a multiset as a function from element → count < 1366490383 965298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could write like {5↦1, 2↦6} < 1366490385 174584 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: true, but i like to prefix the count to the element (syntactically) < 1366490399 224446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend not special-casing the case where count = 1, i think that produces confusion < 1366490422 758251 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366490466 187743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you implement this as a monad in Haskell then you can use all kinds of existing generic code to play around with it < 1366490514 935623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's hard to make a Monad instance, though, because you need equality on elements, and probably ordering or some hash function if you want efficiency < 1366490521 944286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's the usual "restricted monad" problem < 1366490650 134604 :Phantom_motnahP!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366490805 125182 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1366490873 854444 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366490891 324390 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366490926 364664 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: equality and ordering is indeed very important < 1366490954 885029 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :every multset (of multisets) must be ordered < 1366491072 754487 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts can be fractional < 1366491090 894854 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it more interesting < 1366491100 324738 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not more powerful) < 1366491150 374511 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generically: counts need not be numbers < 1366491175 524802 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts need just to be objects that adhere to the arithmetical laws < 1366491235 446578 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/rapido/spread/blob/master/A%20new%20look%20at%20multimaps.pdf?raw=true < 1366491617 185272 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts as 'mathematical' objects does make things more interesting < 1366491654 595869 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366491958 44671 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366492147 313513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366492151 505355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366492299 765975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366492439 314933 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1366492782 105438 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1366493196 106518 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1366493657 335278 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1366494728 286154 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366494989 647364 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366495711 807782 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1366496398 297020 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366496720 837049 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366497422 638292 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to do to cheer me up < 1366497437 105824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :masturbation? < 1366497443 616863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1366497451 796752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv watching? < 1366497455 307305 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1366497470 637161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied cryptography puzzles? < 1366497474 346956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian-murdering? < 1366497489 727487 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, tempting < 1366497495 877390 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, can't be bothered right now < 1366497516 116958 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: helping out on NetHack 4? < 1366497554 947970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges/ < 1366497671 437606 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I've asked to be in < 1366497676 474038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1366497691 187380 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long should the wait be, roughly? < 1366497748 327061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think less than a day < 1366497760 137081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think they're getting a lot more responses now than before < 1366497785 177169 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you should help populate the NH4 bug tracker < 1366497796 258031 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, but I suck at NetHack! < 1366497802 978532 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay < 1366497807 577040 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have several hundred bugs in need of filing < 1366497845 268423 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they hilarious as NH3's listed bugs < 1366497884 907479 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we need to file all those bugs in the new bug tracker < 1366498306 7760 :btiffin!~btiffin@24.212.223.48 PART :#esoteric < 1366499044 918674 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366499814 69583 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366500132 298489 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366500362 568331 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flyting_of_Dumbar_and_Kennedie why do people not like scotland, again? < 1366500519 199614 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366500577 654707 :lahwran!lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran NICK :lahwran- < 1366500579 853448 :lahwran-!lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran NICK :lahwran < 1366501118 8843 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a historical figure that it would make sense to name the universe after. < 1366501137 768909 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe Aristotle or Newton. < 1366501213 679297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aristarchus of samos < 1366501250 539035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Kerala < 1366501268 828061 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, Madhava of Sangamagrama. < 1366501324 990133 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Kolmogorov, just because he's Kolmogorov < 1366501356 559207 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Hofstadter? < 1366501363 368915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1366501429 302000 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill Bryson. < 1366501552 520272 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going with Aristotle. < 1366501559 758755 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooooriiiiing < 1366501568 229046 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude thought women had less teeth than men < 1366501582 149919 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but he wrote books about literally* everything. < 1366501598 509078 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a significant amount of what he wrote was correct. < 1366501619 272215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-73-31.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did everyone educated, back when there wasn't much to write about < 1366501753 458908 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: do you mean he wrote about *literacy* everything? < 1366501767 181195 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wrote about ludicrously everything. < 1366501969 569884 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366501969 784669 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