< 1366589030 749740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEANWHILE IN PAUL GRAHAM'S HEAD: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/legendary-vc-paul-graham-suspects-bitcoin-was-created-by-a-government-cm238901#.UXR-JbXWQ45 < 1366589096 396455 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366589176 730239 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah bitcoin is needed for black ops < 1366589361 581429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I realize some of these explanations are pretty far fetched, but so is an individual cooking up bitcoin as an intellectual exercise < 1366589361 788489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" no that sounds perfectly plausible to me < 1366589367 340327 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-222-215.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366589515 380020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366589548 970355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1366589608 690964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1366589824 709923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any thoughts or ideas which may cheer me up < 1366589988 91902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you uncheered :( < 1366590099 180285 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366590267 210641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pissed off because I got fired and I feel I was treated poorly by the company < 1366590285 351074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason given by the founders doesn't make sense and they refuse to elaborate < 1366590343 110740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my guess as to the real reason is infuriating if true < 1366590358 752102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are people who I respected and thought of as friends before now < 1366590377 730576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I'm dependent on them for practically any future job references because I worked with them at Ksplice as well < 1366590406 950662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm generally bitter < 1366590424 880885 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah. < 1366590426 564028 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366590450 700659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't think of anything i want to do next < 1366590556 962833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs kmc < 1366590565 770703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you guess the real reason is? < 1366590571 721647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug kmc < 1366590571 928339 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1366590590 480534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Fiora, shachaf, lambdabot < 1366590613 290747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely there are other people at ksplice or that other company you worked at that you could ask? < 1366590623 459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few < 1366590680 951943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think future employers will really interrogate everyone you ever worked for... I think mostly they just want a simple reference to call to check you worked there... < 1366590779 782429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the reason I suspect: they hired someone else at the same time as me, who turned out to be a bad employee, but they felt obliged to keep him because they'd convinced him to drop out of college to join them < 1366590791 451997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my patience with him ran out before everyone else's < 1366590798 960954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they got rid of me < 1366590903 701994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't very happy there but I was trying to make it work, and they were very accommodating up until one day i'm fired < 1366590915 140714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wasn't any clear warning like "shape up or else" < 1366590918 281746 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :harsh, man < 1366590938 560701 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366590977 10828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a lot done, I was #2 in terms of commits with a 3x margin over the next person (I know this is a shitty metric, but it's objectively verifiable and probably indicates that I wasn't a complete slacker at least) < 1366590979 80689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess the upside of that is that they don't hate you or anything, I imagine? < 1366590988 370700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know! they won't tell me! < 1366590991 652078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you think they'd give you a bad recommendation out of spite? < 1366590998 751675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know I did something horribly wrong and they just won't tell me < 1366591002 871261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh >_< < 1366591005 430877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeesh < 1366591044 530776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all they'll say is that is was based on "carefully deliberating about how I was doing at [company] for many months" < 1366591063 411062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't receive any kind of warning or really much negative feedback at all during weekly meetings with my manager < 1366591134 820980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... kind of really terrifying < 1366591142 610938 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, out of nowhere, with no reason... < 1366591142 817612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they would give me a bad review out of spite but like... i don't know < 1366591149 281210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I knew these people < 1366591154 230686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm sure I don't < 1366591160 314928 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody you knew there will say anything? >_< < 1366591228 151528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't totally out of nowhere, I was unhappy and they knew I was unhappy and I brought up various complaints, but like, I thought we were working on solutions < 1366591243 111684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda sounds like something personal tbqh < 1366591247 540916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know anything and you shouldn't listen to me < 1366591266 347603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't know < 1366591273 851532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to be civil even to this one person who I thought was a bad worker < 1366591285 51318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have failed < 1366591339 971761 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366591350 21087 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :weee < 1366591353 951774 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is implementing bfjoust for a program < 1366591363 82299 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the most hack-filled code I've ever written < 1366591376 461417 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... implementing ] as a 0 tick command, and, inserting a nop before each one >_>; < 1366591400 896087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i mean being completely opaque like that and refusing to elaborate is a pretty bad attitude, it doesn't really suggest to me that you might have done something legitimately awful (because then it would be very simple to point to it) < 1366591406 442428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, again, previous disclaimer, I know nothing < 1366591428 11216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1366591438 821327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm told that sometimes people are vague because they're worried about lawsuits and have nothing to gain from not being vague < 1366591442 804969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I think it was basically "he's lost patience with this other guy, we have to keep the other guy, therefore we fire him" < 1366591445 871036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366591525 780962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i am learning: don't convince people to drop out to join your company < 1366591539 181166 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things im learning: dont work at kmcs company < 1366591544 391672 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont work with people < 1366591545 560889 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont do it < 1366591549 291243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could also be a bit of "it's easier to say nothing than to try to awkwardly try to dodge around things" < 1366591558 21115 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they lose nothing by not talking to you < 1366591586 753081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: people are p. bad but maybe the alternative is worse?? < 1366591600 572797 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe.... < 1366591610 519079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but. you're really good, you should be able to find something else... I'd hope... < 1366591661 14448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I will be totally ok financially < 1366591665 211165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the worry < 1366591707 11229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just worried you were doing something wrong, you don't know what it is, and you might do it again and it's just unsettling and nerve-wracking? < 1366591713 942760 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get fired don't you get like a two week grace period? or is that just for quitting < 1366591714 149411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that < 1366591724 331135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's just for quitting and is also sort of optional < 1366591740 341189 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366591747 801554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in previous cases where I quit a job, I offered to stay for 2 weeks and they declined < 1366591768 611916 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the "oh, people i thought i knew" aspect seems more thingy < 1366591772 237093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in most situations (and ianal etc) if you just quit on the spot they can be pissed off, they can give you a bad rec or whatever, but they can't come after you legally < 1366591772 443948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you really think america would guarantee anything for workers < 1366591785 571320 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i call it optimism < 1366591789 802861 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum wage!!!!! < 1366591796 244861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, was this in america? then I retract my surprise < 1366591797 662167 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :differs by state right < 1366591798 800946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment < 1366591814 621910 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i figured you might not get legal anything anyway because of startup everything < 1366591814 829082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I think America actually does too much in terms of tying benefits to employment < 1366591815 36260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: US minimum wage is something in the region of $0/hour right < 1366591826 881534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just have universal govt provided benefits and then let people do at will employment < 1366591827 182162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like $8 (close enough?) < 1366591827 391749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's actually negative < 1366591833 681077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum wage varies a lot by state < 1366591836 981203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 is pretty close to 0 < 1366591843 61883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fill out the sides and you've got a zero < 1366591845 811350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly even in the states with higher minimum wage, cost of living more or less eats it up < 1366591847 612243 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's $9.something where I live. (highest in the country) < 1366591849 761121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a slashed zero admittedly < 1366591873 631060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, cost of living varies a lot within a state too. < 1366591880 17407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blakefallconroy.com/18.html < 1366591889 731172 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably cheaper to live in my part of washington than it is to live in like seattle < 1366591910 691973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know where kmc is < 1366591919 592026 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new england somewhere? < 1366591923 712666 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gestures vaguely < 1366591935 541186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :massachusetts < 1366591938 751474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how anyone is expected to live on $8/hr around here, a single-bedroom apartment is like $1500/month < 1366591940 601424 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nailed it < 1366591953 91168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Good link. < 1366591955 832517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: immigrants living 10 to an apartment < 1366591960 51867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it is in NYC anyway < 1366591960 258419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1366591966 869479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinatown still has Chinese people because they are willing to do this < 1366592008 322971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as gas prices rise I wonder if McMansions in suburbia will become multi-family slum housing < 1366592008 901601 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie < 1366592010 491985 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :In BfJoust < 1366592018 353163 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...{...}...{...}...)%n < 1366592020 373156 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is illegal, right? < 1366592020 580168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hopefully at least you have some friends out of work... even online? < 1366592024 288418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366592026 471108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have friends < 1366592030 71497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: right < 1366592034 251420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm sure there are many wealthy Chinese people in Chinatown < 1366592036 393322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't stereotype < 1366592059 51419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has friends?????? < 1366592061 160972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dont kill me) < 1366592062 741768 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't a lot of those already been abandoned? since, like, they were bought with subprime loans and so on < 1366592062 949267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o snap elliott < 1366592069 563306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah many < 1366592077 172060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the area < 1366592077 379165 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmansions are probably pretty good for squatting < 1366592103 439605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my parents' subdivision in Iowa is still mostly intact, it grew maybe a bit before the craziest part of the housing bubble, and also it's not like anyone's fever dream fantasy to move to Iowa < 1366592112 662825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to Nevada or Florida or California < 1366592137 21159 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live near some subdivisions that were under construction when the bubble hit, there are still plenty of empty places < 1366592151 771458 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people want to move to nevada? < 1366592156 724746 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a "village" area that has some commercial zoning too, it's actually sad < 1366592169 951697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: amazingly yes < 1366592179 651409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the gap in prices between areas like that has always stunned me I mean, like, it makes sense, but -wow- < 1366592185 561139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my mind nevada is just the world's biggest desert with las vegas stuck in the middle of it < 1366592191 581706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both of those terrify me < 1366592193 32825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get practically mansions for $200k in less desirable areas < 1366592196 401427 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevada is miserable < 1366592197 471321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vegas moreso < 1366592200 171912 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in an expensive suburb area $200k is the price of a garage < 1366592202 471193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: warm climate, no income tax < 1366592204 492072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how vegas can even exist < 1366592216 445140 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :organized crime < 1366592218 631846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the most awful place to me < 1366592219 851406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :southern california is basically a highly irrigated desert too <.< < 1366592222 611197 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to summarize the history < 1366592223 544244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean apart from the worse places < 1366592233 121370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the Mojave Desert, as a place to go to get away from it all < 1366592236 992580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but this is more like... a philosophical problem < 1366592239 422970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I would want to live there < 1366592244 731451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that i don't understand how it could have arisen < 1366592250 451699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've spent enough time living in southern california < 1366592251 949393 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the nevada desert has other cities in it, that are like mini vegases < 1366592253 418384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't get how it is actually possible for a place like vegas to exist < 1366592258 581184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Reno ;_; < 1366592277 341448 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes your idea of vegas isn't that inaccurate < 1366592283 361452 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surroundings, i mean < 1366592299 791963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flew TLV-RNO once < 1366592307 32820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i know about reno: 1. johnny cash shot a man there 2. REM went there < 1366592310 629335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :via... LHR and probably ORD or some shit, I was pretty out of it by the second stop < 1366592314 362037 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: something something testament to man's willingness to flip off god something < 1366592320 359443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not enough time in Northern California! < 1366592325 912177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn'ta 3 < 1366592339 313332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: indeed < 1366592341 940920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should move to SF < 1366592346 712435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's looking more and more likely.......... < 1366592359 332502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: move to hexham < 1366592363 412068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great plan < 1366592365 921079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366592368 912830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham is literally the worst place to move to < 1366592370 901662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :move to finland < 1366592371 109377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or helsinki (maybe slightly more viable) < 1366592383 837332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common myth that we hexhamites hate helsinki < 1366592387 951517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki is good < 1366592394 391544 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha there's a wildlife range north of las vegas < 1366592399 193372 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Desert National Wildlife Range" < 1366592400 846229 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a name < 1366592420 114059 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas google street view does not extend to wildernesses < 1366592462 935277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki is super expensive < 1366592469 312686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes I might like to live there < 1366592469 519662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://blakefallconroy.com/11.html this is cute (re: your link) < 1366592477 817614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should end all my messages with (re: something) < 1366592485 483800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you smell (re: your smell) < 1366592490 130534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WAS RE: COCKS) < 1366592500 61362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if rent is expensive but like.... stuff is expensive < 1366592533 131672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the pub tram is expensive and like... what chance is there that I can avoid riding the pub tram on a weekly basis < 1366592536 31491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean fizzie lives there, and i can't imagine there is much money in speech recognition research [canned laughter] < 1366592542 671120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the pub tram < 1366592545 83337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :helsinki truly is the future < 1366592546 222352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[toilet flush sound effect] < 1366592557 118885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go live in helsinki < 1366592569 81416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott enters the room, studio audience applauds wildly] < 1366592570 722146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or the finnish army?? < 1366592576 281488 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an old calculator < 1366592576 488377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't live in the army < 1366592604 862335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: both canned AND fresh laughter < 1366592611 158344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly we are breaking down barriers < 1366592681 712598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF is pretty expensive these days. < 1366592687 451358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriosuly < 1366592692 21961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously too < 1366592739 832226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hexham is pretty cheap < 1366592741 41611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i think < 1366592746 354873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't know < 1366592753 292482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't imagine it being expensive! i guess properties are < 1366592756 592086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's all like rural and shit < 1366592766 651935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to buy a farm < 1366592772 392721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not < 1366592778 771399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not that rural < 1366592782 292636 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2013/jhvhrdes3.jpg help < 1366592782 499495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lil rural < 1366592788 661297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :got some buildings that are older than your country and so on < 1366592796 661665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might even be in one now idk < 1366592903 591200 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a market town and civil parish < 1366592940 751423 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham won the Town award in the 2005 Britain in Bloom awards. In the same year Hexham was also named * 'England's Favourite Market Town' by the magazine Country Life. < 1366592975 152645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: c.c < 1366592991 442859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :five points on a log plot that kind of fit a straight line < 1366592993 681545 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has a geneticist as a co-author! < 1366593003 385301 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, one who writes about biosemiotics, but come on < 1366593017 691665 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :biosemiotics? sounds like hogwash < 1366593041 615981 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uexküll wrote some good stuff < 1366593047 921274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the words of a wise philosopher, "Worms – oh my god WORMS" < 1366593054 32956 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, basically < 1366593059 252898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... that studies the production, action, and interpretation of signs and codes in the biological realm." < 1366593070 767815 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abstract to the paper talks about the technological singularity asodfuhqfsa < 1366593089 189718 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From within the Hexham Courant office a webcam over-looking Hexham Abbey can be viewed on the following website: Hexham Courant Hexham also has a town webportal called HexhamNet HexhamNet. It was first launched in October 2003 and continues to attract web visitors from all over the world. < 1366593089 904902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like genetic divination or something? < 1366593103 541354 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1366593127 182417 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uexküll was like a proto-cyberneticist and his stuff shows up in theoretical ethology sometimes < 1366593131 901655 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is hexham so cute < 1366593154 262325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: elliott's influence hth < 1366593167 902525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen oerjan < 1366593172 312130 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-04-18 07:14:37: CAPTCHA: Write a 200 word essay on why spamming should carry the death penalty. Be convincing. < 1366593175 724552 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it... does get dumb sometimes. a lot of times apparently < 1366593309 582119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hexham looks ""reasonably cheap" < 1366593313 881975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should move there < 1366593469 821653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how reasonable is reasonably < 1366593559 375225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell it's in £..................... < 1366593576 971891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :double it < 1366593586 621796 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-222-215.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366593607 521784 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i just came to a profound realization < 1366593620 882239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow cool < 1366593634 731709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to go Bike < 1366593644 791773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think that people were saying "wait ago" < 1366593647 541854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't make sense < 1366593657 4086 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :measuring organismal complexity by counting DNA base pairs is like concluding that microsoft word is More Highly Evolved than linux because the binaries are bigger < 1366593658 241698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i know that they say "way to go" but it still doesn't make sense :'( < 1366593671 192017 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that is the way to go" < 1366593680 532619 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"continue going on this way you are presently going on" < 1366593713 667873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: dna codez is not written in the same way as computer codez............. < 1366593720 612909 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chance that microsoft word is actually more complex than linux? < 1366593729 311660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :last chance: should i see _The King and I (1956 film)_ or not < 1366593733 519172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I thought you were talking about that idiot who thinks that we're gaining new strands of DNA in some glorious something-or-other, and points to some severely disabled kid as our future < 1366593747 981903 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if 1956 means it's black and white, then no < 1366593750 663499 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the inner joke is that the analogy is just as bad as measuring complexity by base pairs. < 1366593754 492231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1cqs00/what_the_hell_first_child_officially_diagnosed/ < 1366593762 561945 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see it. < 1366593791 793394 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like PNA? < 1366593806 302511 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascensionearth2012, are you serious < 1366593806 721795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this another one of sgeo clicks a link to sugggest you don't < 1366593807 518197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The film? < 1366593810 763041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by clicks i mean links < 1366593817 617459 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes. < 1366593830 491762 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is r/skeptic by any chance a forum where people shore up garbage to laugh at < 1366593849 933102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are pounds sterling worth more than regular pounds < 1366593853 541982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, sometimes < 1366593870 992229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't one of those a unit of weight rather than a currency? < 1366593887 51741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it depends on the material < 1366593897 211751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Are you thinking of slugs? < 1366593903 406280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pounds are a unit of mass hth < 1366593910 181907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they weight too < 1366593910 751893 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slugs are the worst unit < 1366593912 813134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright i clicked it. you win Sgeo thanks a lot. < 1366593934 801763 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they're used both ways. fuck the imperial system. fuck imperialism fuck patriarchy burn the queen < 1366593942 322911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, slugs are the unit of mass < 1366593948 950281 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366593951 29880 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: terrible < 1366593955 681791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ... mass but implicitly a weight in 1g gravity? < 1366593957 912012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i just don't know how it works < 1366593965 71547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go back to kg hth < 1366593976 115478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you going to let Bike get away with saying that < 1366593983 567327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :without even devoicing him for it < 1366593987 441653 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Read more about Alfie Clamp born with extra DNA in world first and see a picture of him at the Daily Mail." is every fucking news site an aggregator for everything else now < 1366593993 381764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a slug is also a coin < 1366594007 594361 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a slug is also an animal you fucks!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1366594016 202122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1 gram gravity what that doesn't make any sense.. < 1366594021 902866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A slug is also an identifier < 1366594036 932722 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366594048 983285 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366594051 444924 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo i'm reading a daily mail article because of you < 1366594057 661899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow a slug is a bad unit < 1366594062 871762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up < 1366594065 322405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo bad < 1366594065 871818 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366594072 516872 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame because they're a good animal < 1366594073 841837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who even invented this unit and why < 1366594074 722522 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a bad unit < 1366594096 321992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even get what the link was for < 1366594100 262713 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wrong g! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_gravity < 1366594106 181873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it wasn't to a comment... < 1366594117 334562 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i mentioned DNA and the link was also about DNA?? < 1366594144 192033 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1366594150 803195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: come to think of it ½gt² doesn't make sense either. half a gram? < 1366594154 781956 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blob is the inch version of the slug (1 blob = 1 lbf·s2/in = 12 slugs)[1] or equivalent to 175.126 kg. This unit is also called slinch (a portmanteau of the words slug and inch).[8][9] Slang terms are slugette,[10] and a snail.[11] < 1366594207 292486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that a half gramsquaretonne? < 1366594213 853260 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metric units include the "glug" in the centimetre-gram-second system, and the "mug", "par", or "MTE" in the metre-kilogram-second system.[12] < 1366594260 202314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I'll have a software defined radio to play with soon < 1366594572 532378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think I might not see it. :-( < 1366594600 783397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it? < 1366594614 302421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The film. < 1366594624 512107 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1366594631 112360 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo go see it < 1366594702 372499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's in _< < 1366597384 833933 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great < 1366597387 15161 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashes my parser < 1366598294 364129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that just reminds me of time trumpet < 1366598308 374819 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that about fish < 1366598343 34915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366598389 325028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366598437 211769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooo my IRC uptime < 1366598576 575614 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :EC2? More like upscale < 1366598587 69566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1366598590 956602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :free micro instance < 1366598735 905366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have any vps recommendations btw < 1366598737 484839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't linode < 1366598741 684871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or prgmr < 1366598751 814547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that http://prgmr.com < 1366598752 374756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :efb < 1366598756 165830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not prgmr < 1366598758 146104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'dumb name' < 1366598773 869162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i hear rackspace is all right, maybe < 1366598777 93990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i was with prgmr before linode < 1366598794 832997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved because it's slow and i wanted more ram for running php/mysql/nginx/mediawiki < 1366598805 554549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially nice that linode let me have my server in london < 1366598810 25315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, i run my irc client on it < 1366598814 646228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and latency is annoying < 1366598831 354730 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*echm* mosh < 1366598858 35111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366598859 24888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use mosh < 1366598861 727672 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/BFJoust_Shalia$ scala -J-Xss32m -cp out/production/BFJoust_Shalia/ com.lymiahugs.shalia.VM omnipotence.bfjoust anticipation.bfjoust < 1366598861 934795 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<<<<<<>>>><<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<>>>><<<<<<<<< 26 < 1366598861 934980 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymia@infel:~/programming/BFJoust_Shalia$ ~/programming/bfjoust-evo/utils/gearlance omnipotence.bfjoust anticipation.bfjoust < 1366598861 935084 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 36 < 1366598862 784495 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate bugs < 1366598865 346101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ram for running php / mysql / mediawiki / russian spam botnet < 1366598866 905018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh does not make latency not annoying < 1366598874 175335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1366598875 695317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no they're french spammers nowadays < 1366598879 788634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :le spam < 1366598882 685722 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's apparently some subtle behavioral difference in my Bfjoust implementation < 1366598889 636108 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes omnipotence lose < 1366598901 954520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: compare execution traces maybe? < 1366598912 826464 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to < 1366598923 625117 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google hetzner robot -elliott < 1366598925 385760 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://robot.your-server.de/ < 1366598927 447882 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to figure out how to get gearlance to output one first though < 1366598935 25048 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't the spammers be lithuanian for once < 1366598970 325051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: could use jsout < 1366598972 528519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :egojsout < 1366598973 914312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives traces < 1366598999 204890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: are you sure you wanted to link me to that < 1366599021 835543 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have now been linked to that. < 1366599158 4139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm p. cool with the 'new atheists' < 1366599164 665905 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1366599189 375790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think pointing out the numerous ways religion harms people is better than being like 'well I don't believe personally but I respect your right to mutilate children" < 1366599193 594944 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is a heretic < 1366599200 385648 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but have you seen dawkins's twitter feed < 1366599210 175266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think it's a shame that Dawkins is known mostly for this < 1366599218 274980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I find his biology books a lot more interesting < 1366599222 846214 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@rrcs-24-106-28-212.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366599223 115080 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they are. < 1366599241 380110 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly i wish there was a better way to be a popular biologist than yelling at creationists < 1366599246 85658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea h:/ < 1366599259 478858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RFC that defined JSON included a JSON parser with a security hole < 1366599261 264913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1366599269 16639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also only be a popular physicist if you talk about THE UNIVERSE < 1366599277 958128 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they don't deserve it but biology is pretty cool. even the stuff that isn't evolutionary! < 1366599281 409885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep! < 1366599294 576141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology is amazing < 1366599304 385649 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a popular chemist if... well, I guess it's harder to be a popular chemist. < 1366599304 592733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the number of incredible hacks that different critters use to get by < 1366599308 96433 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3HcqGcXls4 < 1366599317 805175 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frog embryos < 1366599321 786780 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now in twin form < 1366599324 786828 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "huge trouble"? < 1366599328 314977 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is this the parser that consists of eval < 1366599330 735293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hm? < 1366599337 934317 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned getting into huge trouble on twitter < 1366599344 135206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366599351 804660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I asked for more money at work and instead I got fired < 1366599356 615603 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1366599357 175185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unclear how much these things were causally related < 1366599360 596228 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's never supposed to happen < 1366599373 4847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reasons the founders gave for firing me don't really make sense, and they refuse to elaborate < 1366599376 95791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ranted a bit about it above < 1366599383 864914 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I only just rejoined < 1366599390 424937 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh logs < 1366599394 521817 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sucks, I'm sorry < 1366599401 527190 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i think the popularist chemist i can think of is derek lowe who isn't that popular < 1366599427 980602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wtf frogs < 1366599434 369283 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1366599435 258252 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs kmc < 1366599435 935688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did they just try that with every cell until it worked < 1366599439 165508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks copumpkin < 1366599440 494736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs back < 1366599455 595204 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original experiment was actually on salamanders < 1366599473 784875 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the lady investigator died in a fire before her thesis on it was published :/ < 1366599513 888280 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were working off some older experiments, like one where a guy would kill part of an embryo with a hot needle (presumably because Why Not) and watched how it developed < 1366599528 356211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... a lot of bio experiments are like "what happens if we break this part" < 1366599530 664904 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except mysteriously if this half-embryo was next to a full embryo it would half-develop, but if it was separated it wouldn't < 1366599532 861425 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're always welcome back in the evil world of finance :P I don't get the impression that's really the direction you want to go in though < 1366599542 986024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: it isn't really < 1366599547 561206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't consider what you do evil < 1366599556 785093 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even my latest? < 1366599559 606563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I don't consider HFT evil < 1366599560 475220 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, copumpkin's the quant? < 1366599567 645318 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm a qual < 1366599569 558544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know, what are you up to now < 1366599580 485122 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :big HF :P < 1366599581 805329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think HFT is intrinsically that bad, but it sucks smart people away from other things < 1366599588 765593 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't do HFT, even < 1366599591 425065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what I want to do next < 1366599595 885804 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what a qual is..... < 1366599598 375174 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :An eeeevil qual < 1366599602 66686 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: opposite of a quant! < 1366599609 425550 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1366599613 285658 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366599819 180694 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366599827 445443 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense that we don't have a particularly mathematical approach to things < 1366599843 135538 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you like analyze the stock market sociologically < 1366599846 555499 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have much to do with the decision-making, be it math or not math < 1366599880 545482 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's macro, so looking at global tendencies, interest rates, exchange rates, political events, production of goods in different countries, things like that < 1366599951 31984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading about some fund that would follow around CEOs with private investigators < 1366599964 9843 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1366600031 394142 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think that's us, but it's hard to be sure < 1366600261 506706 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366600562 436576 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A86 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 A86 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 < 1366600562 643494 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A87 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 A87 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 < 1366600562 643630 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A88 05 00 Bfd b0 01 05 ff 05 08 | A88 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 < 1366600562 643675 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :A89 05 B00 fd b0 01 05 ff 05 08 | A89 05 00 fd Bb0 01 05 ff 05 08 < 1366600564 865807 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrgggghhh < 1366600569 106091 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anticipation, for some reason < 1366600571 406343 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gets stuck doing nothing < 1366600666 757479 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1366600772 905770 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait... < 1366600775 776735 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fails to wait < 1366600809 6755 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called when you write x : y :: a : b or whatever the local symbols for that are < 1366600820 95954 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogy? < 1366600941 336760 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works < 1366600942 326841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1366601133 617946 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e000.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366601199 461227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a thought with another thought's hat on < 1366601354 816806 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember those were like, a thing on the SAT or something? < 1366601359 936566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1366601391 926150 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is to b as f is to... < 1366601410 516274 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1366601427 6471 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A++ you win the SAT < 1366601436 456360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day the SAT only had 1600 points < 1366601450 856513 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were deprived back then < 1366601455 179283 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh x.x < 1366601459 266616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I took mine the year they changed it <_> < 1366601459 686456 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's looking like < 1366601461 326840 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in my day everyone got their own day < 1366601462 108055 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to take the SAT 2 writing if we wanted the shit that people get by default now < 1366601462 717012 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a parsing bug < 1366601470 366660 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to PAY EXTRA TO TAKE THAT < 1366601474 373828 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK Y'ALL < 1366601479 181205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1366601482 153670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin speaks the truth < 1366601487 390001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truthpumpkin < 1366601493 588490 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :truthpumpkin < 1366601500 797581 :truthpumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M TELLING YOU GUYS, 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB < 1366601503 786350 :truthpumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE UP SHEEPLE < 1366601504 783627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: back in your day there were only 365.25 people? < 1366601513 406380 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366601524 397167 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was before the gregorian reforms < 1366601533 546790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor'ian reforms < 1366601536 186491 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we pretty much just said the year ended whenever everyone agreed the year ended < 1366601542 607529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck this year" < 1366601551 959135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote by acclamation < 1366601568 822013 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some years not everybody got a day, but in those years we were generally sick of the year anyway < 1366601574 936908 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had a longer year next if we needed it < 1366602269 847057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internet Explorer unconditionally falls back to HTML rendering, true to the letter of Tim Berner-Lee's original protocol drafts." < 1366602399 589420 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apparently < 1366602406 67106 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a parsing issue causing {} to parse as nothing < 1366602466 850871 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of my code structure, that translates to "()%x loops don't work" < 1366602478 36761 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.strictfp.com/37560/3f060be9c6ccce447ce1faff957b8c5f < 1366602479 827326 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next issue! < 1366602518 607280 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Readers who found the handling of the formats discussed so far to be too sane for their tastes are in for a well-deserved treat." < 1366602624 529702 :truthpumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :truepumpkin < 1366602899 58347 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1366602918 462823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1366602933 67311 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's the treat < 1366602953 487611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is your twitter account good < 1366602955 307277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML-based documents < 1366602956 317334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1366602958 941043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen better < 1366602971 268658 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime i need to get around to finally deleting my twitter < 1366602974 317473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browsers often determine the format based on their content, regardless of Content-Type headers < 1366602980 228074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even content below the top level tag < 1366602987 339272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i occasionally read a handful of twitters but i don't have an account i just check them because hey it's like five years too late to create a twitter account < 1366603015 467994 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hurry up and get a twitter account < 1366603024 695967 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even kmc has one now < 1366603027 241450 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no excuse < 1366603033 498308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⊤pumpkin < 1366603033 797323 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, even shachaf has one < 1366603037 562060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truepumpkin: but i have no friends! < 1366603042 931514 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll follow you! < 1366603056 598234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :falsepumpkin < 1366603077 198848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It might make sense if it won't receive a Content-Type header. But, that is not the case. < 1366603095 237339 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~deactivated~ :-D < 1366603096 97501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truepumpkin: do you use this nick to lie to people because people will believe it because of your nick < 1366603099 157533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo yes < 1366603115 267563 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1366603117 627377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postel's Law is basically the worst thing ever for security < 1366603125 867235 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's postel's law here < 1366603139 737227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whatever nonsense garbage data you get, you should try to interpret and process it in some way < 1366603145 337759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just saying "fuck you" < 1366603156 278557 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah that's bad < 1366603197 807703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like the reason why you can have HTML pages with 200 errors that display fine? < 1366603198 14685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp this string of bytes might be an X11 Type3 font embedded in a Gopher header encoded as UTF-7, let's pass it off to a bunch of code nobody has tested in 15 years < 1366603204 53421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while like, a C program with one error won't compile < 1366603248 127959 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A JPEG file that looks like HTML? Impossible < 1366603279 623157 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though this is mainly because browser developers are on the side of website developers rather than browser users < 1366603295 637568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser developers are on the side of advertising salespeople < 1366603356 577716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's implement HTTP pipelining and disable it by default, and add a completely new protocol by google to the program < 1366603358 667769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 5 am < 1366603363 728517 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically HTTP pipelining < 1366603374 347608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad 5:02 am < 1366603383 777315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gopher doesn't have headers. < 1366603386 357309 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 21 03 < 1366603411 590545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366603414 380334 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do browsers actually implement gopher properly < 1366603417 461569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam kmc's argument destroyed < 1366603420 248885 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have "headers" < 1366603421 527501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the point of GIFAR now < 1366603426 168621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is gifar < 1366603434 107163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both a gif and a ar < 1366603435 27340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jar < 1366603507 837529 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point < 1366603509 997498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload to site that hosts images, make malicious page that treats it as an applet, retrieve people's cookies from image host, profit < 1366603516 677602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc < 1366603541 399704 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cute when you can rename something to have .gif extension and everything accepts it :-) < 1366603568 705331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the image host gives Content-Type: image/gif or whatever, that header wll be ignored < 1366603577 989351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, it really is a valid gif file I think < 1366603634 877540 :btiffin!~btiffin@99.240.146.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366603635 294890 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ yes but not everything checks for validity. or at least i remember in the past that's how it went ~ < 1366603739 737930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some browsers implement gopher properly, some don't unless you have an extension installed. The file might have a header to indicate the format (if the type is said to be "I" then it is a picture file, and the header of the picture file can be used to determine the format, for example). < 1366604010 577673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! How dare this book implies that I install Adobe Shockwave Player by accident! < 1366604015 267870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it for iSketch < 1366604052 98708 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366604931 207965 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suprised. < 1366604949 37996 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some of these bugs < 1366604951 688552 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect an outright crash < 1366604954 439021 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of wrong behavior < 1366605147 378279 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, (({{}})%y)%x is legal, right? < 1366605157 728615 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the outermost {} is paired with the innermost () < 1366605200 28843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1366605208 709127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at least uncommon I think < 1366605237 848383 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact I'll have bad behavior then, at least < 1366605273 28586 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried building an alternate evaluation scheme in kernel? i'm thinking i might try some shitty WHNF < 1366605342 128445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think Z-machine interpreter in Famicom is reasonable? < 1366605350 429000 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god no, but do it < 1366605407 448008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-machine interpreter for GameBoy exists, even though GameBoy does not have a keyboard. < 1366605605 469792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might it work better on Famicom if Famicom has a keyboard? (The Famicom keyboard does not have ASCII codes 0x60 to 0x7E, but I have suggested a very simple way to correct that problem) < 1366605788 38797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that way < 1366605957 688941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Famicom keyboard uses the SHIFT to toggle bit4 of ASCII codes in range 0x20 to 0x3F. My suggestion is that codes 0x40 to 0x7F will be toggle bit5 when SHIFT key is pushed. < 1366606013 768839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The keyboard itself does not do this decoding; it only reads a button matrix to tell you what keys are pushed. The software that reads it must then decode it; this means that the decoder can easily be made whatever is helpful, and doesn't even necessarily need to be ASCII.) < 1366607550 58751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :truepumpkin: Hey, you're not following *me*! < 1366607556 39260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so special about elliott? < 1366607577 829140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than being the seriously best. < 1366607606 127157 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should actually tweet < 1366607609 448551 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why I'm not following you < 1366607622 198398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I tweet when you wouldn't end up reading it? < 1366607625 828717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like talking into the void. < 1366607636 138783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1366607675 892773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I need a different excuse. < 1366607724 990478 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1366607770 168912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about: elliott isn't following me. < 1366607788 869175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear you say more than enough < 1366607790 58777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is the seriously best mouse. < 1366607798 496745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott 100 < 1366607813 769221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOAT FAR REMOTE < 1366608274 807490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should totally use tumblr instead < 1366608324 433525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a Tumblr account too! < 1366608327 61133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no followers. < 1366608341 996020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tumblr account is too cool to be followed < 1366608363 320176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I saw _The King and I_ < 1366608367 719238 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1366608369 19024 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it good < 1366608390 100324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i preferred _Anastasia (1956 film)_ < 1366608402 558957 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that good? < 1366608420 879087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you watch it and tell me < 1366608427 152548 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair < 1366608490 298916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need the _ before the parens < 1366608502 868948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no its part of the title........ < 1366608514 627174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : yesterday i saw _Anastasia_ (1956 film) < 1366608529 930006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i got it wrong < 1366608909 139284 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''''Anastasia''''' < 1366609796 559807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'''''Jafet''''' < 1366610287 429873 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366610509 960227 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366610516 653024 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e000.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366610768 590550 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366610908 56674 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366611014 490201 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366611235 540412 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366611245 280353 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366611922 591218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1366613175 971054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says that you can encode intuitionistic logic into linear logic by (!A -o B). Is there a category of linear implication? Does it mean that a programming language using linear logic might have a comonad for normal functional programming? < 1366613214 803769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should ask cmccann. < 1366613253 751029 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@rrcs-24-106-28-212.west.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1366613902 367332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that: [[The EFF is a left wing organization which has some of the same goals as the anti-government group “Anonymous” as well as the terrorist group “Wikileaks”.]] < 1366613911 301787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any EFF members aka terrorists present?) < 1366614037 761865 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we have centrist terrorist groups < 1366614069 973728 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the nazis? < 1366614072 264700 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366614093 231732 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bla bla left/right doesn't even make sense anyway bla) < 1366614124 871572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like up/DOWN am I right Bi ke its what the kids need . < 1366614133 322187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck dammit it's past 8 < 1366614134 871399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :blablablaika < 1366614138 851453 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote up: we're ABOVE those fucks < 1366614144 784460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you considered oging to slelepe < 1366614157 640486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366614158 88460 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, go the fuck to sleep you goddamn embarassment < 1366614165 642193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the fucking embarrassment < 1366614173 771198 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google go the fuck to sleep < 1366614174 362487 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_the_Fuck_to_Sleep < 1366614174 569510 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Go the Fuck to Sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1366614177 441157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bicycle wants its child bicycle to grow up subserviant to human shit like irc < 1366614179 541385 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's you sorry < 1366614182 412452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably real ashamed of that arm you got too < 1366614197 901097 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc wasn't invented by humans it was invented by swedes, dumbass < 1366614198 837580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's walys tried to fit in with the humans" -- bicycle parents trying to explain Bike's future bicycle rampage < 1366614216 211285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish people arent swedes who i agree arent 100%human < 1366614218 752879 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the arm was a gift! from my nephew! < 1366614224 842111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 100‰ human < 1366614234 951387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your nephew human < 1366614241 792327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :human-bike interbreeding......... the dire future we all share < 1366614249 3278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could a bicycle have a human nephew < 1366614249 209952 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do irc bikes have irc handles < 1366614253 578222 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mostly platypus, but yeah a bit. i mean where else would he get the ar. < 1366614287 121635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they are terrorist, but "terrorist" is still, just the label they apply which is not as meaningful as they think it to be, and not like they claim it to be, it is just a kind of complaint the government makes rather than a real thing, I guess. < 1366614293 311466 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see how it is. Y'all racists. First it's miscegenation with the African-descendent, then with the horse-descendent < 1366614299 652675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cmccann is in #haskell and other channels < 1366614305 311319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He talks about linear logic a lot. < 1366614309 402794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does things with it in Haskell. < 1366614458 788582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I gotta line things up again. < 1366614473 861309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many characters do I get? 34? < 1366614477 342464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1366614495 964568 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you see the importance of double-spacing after a full stop. < 1366614529 702689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The importance of being an insufferable jerk? < 1366614537 771060 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366614539 849890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it. < 1366614573 819552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The joke is that people who double-space after a full stop are insufferable jerks.) < 1366614597 981434 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf. . . . . . < 1366614607 851693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet☺ < 1366614630 312499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather see three undertrumps after a discard of a Trebled Fromp. < 1366614634 581646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's something worthwhile. < 1366614637 953335 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1366614642 576083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soemthing worthwhile. < 1366614644 872345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366614645 431700 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1366614652 571821 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?? ?????????????? ?) < 1366614654 815688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow are you calling mnoqy an insufferable jerk??? < 1366614665 691659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: http://mimg.ugo.com/200902/19213/double-fannuci.jpg < 1366614677 143537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no obv. mnoqy's ok........................................................ < 1366614690 161551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Zork_Zero_Double_Fanucci.png < 1366614707 122097 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks jester < 1366614712 271885 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this game seem's hard < 1366614727 702254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hey don't talk to the jester like that < 1366614738 543041 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the jester a jerk < 1366614744 862363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoilers the jester is actually ████████████████████████████████ < 1366614760 971993 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i lay the hate on this jesterman < 1366614771 968729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the jester is p. cool < 1366614776 221916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes he's a total jerk < 1366614789 577736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the times when he appears out of nowhere and puts a clown nose on your nose < 1366614798 912821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if you don't take it off within a few turns you suffocate to death < 1366614802 51354 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a jerk thing to do < 1366614802 258416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from not having air < 1366614811 691476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jester more like jerkster am i right < 1366614820 169918 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366614842 111524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Double Fanucci is pretty great. < 1366614845 292119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You should learn it. < 1366614886 403245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://struckus.tripod.com/zork0_snarfen_game.jpg < 1366614904 322416 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nim? < 1366614917 933381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366614920 838704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(different game) < 1366614936 971642 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough game < 1366614945 358898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a secret hint < 1366614952 771745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... (1) Does science seek the truth, even if the truth includes the existence of God? (2) Or does science only seek answers that first exclude any possibility that God is a part of the truth? A theory of our origins that eliminates the input of God is worthless if, in fact, God created everything." What is your opinion about this? < 1366614967 72270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :science does not seek truth < 1366614969 752200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :science seeks funding < 1366614970 462148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366614974 142194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vos Savant says (1). My sister says (2). I say the question is wrong. < 1366614975 411910 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boston bombings: Officer lost all blood but is expected to recover" < 1366615004 121886 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm with shachaf on this one. < 1366615051 251621 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all blood? < 1366615059 832888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not because of that, though. < 1366615070 41641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi mnoqy < 1366615076 212713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like... all blood? < 1366615082 610678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you sell "i ♥ mnoqy" shirts < 1366615089 392368 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont sell shirts < 1366615092 773983 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombings-mbta-officer-condition-20130421,0,6889893.story < 1366615104 71950 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: presumably they were like, replacing it as it came out. < 1366615105 792330 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someday i should set up a shirt shop < 1366615111 437662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: if i gave you a trillion dollars could i get a shirt < 1366615137 12425 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you gave mnoqy a trillion dollars you'd destroy the economy. < 1366615141 208568 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his heart stopped and he lost his entire blood supply, but doctors and relatives on Sunday said he was emerging from sedation and expected to recover < 1366615144 744449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :emonoqy < 1366615145 21569 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :al.t get murdered by the secret service < 1366615160 312028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eqonomy???????? < 1366615224 132012 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sort "eqonomy" < 1366615226 82147 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "emnooqy" < 1366615243 802423 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-nookie < 1366615350 982096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hi Bike < 1366615359 813065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :care for a game of double fanucci < 1366615370 641975 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1366616370 503474 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs fmap < 1366616407 102281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17882 < 1366616524 618352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A widow is a woman whose spouse has died, while a widower is a man whose spouse has died." < 1366616528 762838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how it goes? < 1366616582 424003 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1366616589 782320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This form is funny because in Hebrew it's only masculine but in English it says "Widow/er". < 1366616617 43861 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's how it goes. it's silly < 1366616842 47247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to sleep < 1366616867 493393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "good "luck "with "that"""" < 1366617013 83513 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n8 elliott < 1366617016 44967 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Widowmaker should be gender neutral < 1366617029 122695 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about windowmaker though < 1366617061 622290 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earl grey saves lifes < 1366617667 573233 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366617867 794232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366618570 34043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn widow < 1366618571 414205 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "widow" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1366618571 713561 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :widow < 1366618571 920862 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a woman whose husband is dead especially one who has not < 1366618571 921046 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : remarried [syn: {widow}, {widow woman}] < 1366618571 921154 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: cause to be without a spouse; "The war widowed many women < 1366618573 433867 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the former Yugoslavia" < 1366618590 833192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn widower < 1366618591 553523 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "widower" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1366618591 760568 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :widower < 1366618591 760660 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a man whose wife is dead especially one who has not < 1366618591 760705 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : remarried [syn: {widower}, {widowman}] < 1366618596 515687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I kept typoing that as "windower".) < 1366618609 154593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A widowman. < 1366618618 374889 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366618786 593364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366619771 322891 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366620068 844711 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366620981 655266 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366621451 695122 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366622216 175993 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366623529 385689 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366623782 807078 :truepumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366623822 486433 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366624303 966079 :btiffin!~btiffin@99.240.146.105 PART :#esoteric < 1366624808 167084 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366625033 977396 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366626661 618432 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366627476 517967 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366627887 971444 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366628433 368597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: I was reading http://blog.joda.org/2009/11/why-jsr-310-isn-joda-time_4941.html (by the author of JodaTime, a popular time handling library for Java) where he talks about its design flaws, and there are people in the comments telling him he's wrong and what he's identified as flaws actually aren't < 1366628600 78385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: would "spineless tagless g-machine" be a good name for a band < 1366628758 528799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366629302 969098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366629740 810861 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366629791 765777 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366629888 529553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366629895 460317 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1366630088 345185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366630173 89366 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366630176 87056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1366630177 509943 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1366630487 519825 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :G in the Machine < 1366631538 51934 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366631545 920293 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :When zsh sees xx $(yy)^I, it runs yy and tab completes on the output < 1366631604 101138 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can crash it with echo $(yes)^I < 1366631607 540266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it really? < 1366631662 530245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it does. < 1366631678 410556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh-- < 1366631683 738510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma zsh < 1366631684 1465 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh has a karma of 0 < 1366631684 730157 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid to use this, not because it will crash sometimes < 1366631716 320516 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because it will make using bash even more unbearable < 1366631742 430112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh is less bearable than bash for me. < 1366631743 862244 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, beautiful < 1366631751 61954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried zsh. < 1366631757 530262 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync -e ssh bla/^I^I^I^I^I^I^I oh right this computer doesn't have zsh < 1366631798 880517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would a tab there do with zsh? < 1366631819 880282 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp /usr/shrae/doc/^I^I^I^I oh right I forgot to beat the sysadmin into giving me zsh < 1366631838 779582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what all those ^I's mean. :( < 1366631848 590367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab, presumably < 1366631856 920624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but what should happen! < 1366631863 991080 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab completion, obviously < 1366631874 650521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1366631881 878416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla/? < 1366631884 342195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but how? I mean, it must be something else than getting the list of possible completions. < 1366631901 952356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first case it should expand bla/ into blancmange/ and then list the contents of blancmange, or somesuch < 1366631915 541639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What comes after bla:/ is the name of a file on bla < 1366631916 780446 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the second it should correct shrae into share < 1366631926 501016 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh will connect to bla and list them < 1366631929 481337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: There was no : in your example. < 1366631932 912016 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1366631933 118827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366631933 770910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash completes remote ssh things for me just fine, with a : < 1366631939 640493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: So that was quite confusing. < 1366631961 659447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And bash does complete remote things for me fine, too.) < 1366631996 66028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Would /usr/shrae/doc/ do some kind of a spelling fixup shrae -> share, then?) < 1366631998 961988 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I don't know what completions are provided by bash. < 1366632051 521106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366632057 910401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had it configured that way < 1366632066 230397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came configured that way for me. < 1366632131 680554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :26228 lines in /etc/bash_completion and files of /etc/bash_completion.d; it certainly came... configured, here, too. < 1366632199 325825 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those are just program-specific completion rules < 1366632236 214085 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh reads those as well < 1366632264 682475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're arbitrary bash code, aren't they < 1366632301 650639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1366632309 410693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading them sounds nasty. < 1366632330 209402 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could write some of them in the particular subset of bash which is not implemented the same way by zsh < 1366632336 93542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366632457 828505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366633738 615751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366634624 88848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366634847 118623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366635274 113761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1366635711 614893 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@rrcs-24-106-28-212.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366636001 653679 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@rrcs-24-106-28-212.west.biz.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366636176 108623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366636181 702464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1366636198 232409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trapped in a place where irc only works for like 30 seconds < 1366636210 240206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :send food < 1366636214 13986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo turn off irc < 1366636215 865200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1366636216 703468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366636226 933386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf i thought we were friends < 1366636232 662661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no the ping meter is rising < 1366636259 203788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's back down again < 1366636282 463640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok not forever < 1366636286 92919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile: alsa appears to have gone on strike or something < 1366636289 712427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just until you leave that awful place < 1366636308 441842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: alt. run irc on a remote server and connect to that server with mosh < 1366636509 512346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a remote server i'm not a cool technowizard like you guys < 1366636649 33632 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366636661 539749 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1366636672 393301 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1366636706 34680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Anickyan | sed s/dal/dahl/g < 1366636710 73470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anickyan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dahl.net.) < 1366636826 825210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366637378 823141 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohlme < 1366637379 853865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wehlcohlme: not found < 1366637395 67738 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcome < 1366637395 866558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wehlcome: not found < 1366637422 212986 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/we < 1366637423 194261 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/we < 1366637426 919973 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/we * < 1366637428 243598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/we bin canary etc factor hello hello.c ibin interps karma lib maze maze.c paste quines quotes share src test Test Test.hi Test.hs Test.o wisdom < 1366637430 632934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/we* < 1366637431 793594 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/wehlcohme bin/welcome < 1366637457 593971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maze? < 1366637460 113865 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file factor < 1366637461 144902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor: directory < 1366637473 882885 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`maze < 1366637475 263830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: maze: not found < 1366637482 63181 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file maze < 1366637483 813774 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :maze: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped < 1366637485 593469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcohme Jafet < 1366637487 63692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcohme: not found < 1366637492 324180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bin/maze < 1366637494 12832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bin/maze: No such file or directory < 1366637495 832882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme Jafet < 1366637497 613452 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run maze < 1366637497 820581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jahfeht: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1366637498 993321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: maze: command not found < 1366637519 253082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat maze.c < 1366637520 473134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :const unsigned long main[] = { 0xc7e68948c7ffff31, 0x24310f00b195e206, 0xd231f88902460001, 0xe9eb050f03b2 }; < 1366637521 703812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Phantom_Hoover It's OK. You can stay. Come back! < 1366637521 910681 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1366637539 453394 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366637609 385088 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wehlcohme < 1366637611 313619 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | h < 1366637626 607854 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo this is a test | h < 1366637628 434077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thihs ihs a tehst < 1366637640 283197 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1366637641 516700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1366637880 543297 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run objdump -D maze | sed -e '/maze/,/main>/ d' < 1366637882 273496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ 400120: 31 ff xor %edi,%edi \ 400122: ff c7 inc %edi \ 400124: 48 89 e6 mov %rsp,%rsi \ 400127: c7 06 e2 95 b1 00 movl $0xb195e2,(%rsi) \ 40012d: 0f 31 rdtsc \ 40012f: 24 01 and $0x1,%al \ 400131: 00 46 02 add %al,0x2 < 1366637911 714915 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-65.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1366637931 702115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366638079 725897 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./maze < 1366638081 394772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1366638172 564464 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-65.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366638245 624283 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run objdump -D maze -M intel | sed -e '/maze/,/main>/ d' -e 's/^ \+[0-9a-f]\+:\s\+\([0-9a-f][0-9a-f] \)\+\s\+//' < 1366638247 14607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ xor edi,edi \ inc edi \ mov rsi,rsp \ mov DWORD PTR [rsi],0xb195e2 \ rdtsc \ and al,0x1 \ add BYTE PTR [rsi+0x2],al \ mov eax,edi \ xor edx,edx \ mov dl,0x3 \ syscall \ jmp 400127 \ ... \ \ Disassembly of section .comment: \ \ 0000000000000000 <.comment>: \ rex.RXB \ rex.XB \ rex.XB cmp spl,BY < 1366638307 378368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booooots. < 1366638355 743646 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gloooooooves^ < 1366638357 373906 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1366638369 624558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1366638376 245840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that the above ^ was quite a noisy sight. < 1366638396 544224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that spurrious ^, sometimes my keyboard layout resets for no apparent reason. < 1366638557 964302 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right, that sed script should have been more reserved. < 1366638623 372516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639243 764507 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I don't have the appropriate font for that maze < 1366639501 644972 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366639592 585480 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1366639604 57822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366639647 144567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tr it into /s and \s with not much loss of fidelity. < 1366639657 214658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming tr can deal with UTF-8. I suppose it can't. < 1366639661 998188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639663 574605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it can, who knows. < 1366639670 545763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can sed it into those things, at the very least. < 1366639732 768979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1366639740 876048 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639755 734033 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1366639772 943699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366639783 674982 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639796 792071 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639820 638581 :bengt_!weed@ya.lolk.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1366639890 219722 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here have ever created a brainfuck interpreter? < 1366639996 674120 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, as have many others, most likely. < 1366640014 407910 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anickyan: when entering here you have to go through two simple tasks < 1366640027 434354 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah? < 1366640030 775173 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first task: write a brainfuck interpreter (or seventy brainfuck interpreters) < 1366640038 715688 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the easy task < 1366640040 228984 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/Mads-Clausen/5434778 < 1366640041 424740 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done < 1366640054 224482 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then comes second task: you have to solemnly swear that you will never do that again < 1366640070 905783 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... why? < 1366640089 179500 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you ever do that again, Phantom_Hoover will take care of you < 1366640095 344690 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do NOT want Phantom_Hoover to take care of you < 1366640096 994859 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'unsigned long const main[] = {0x8948c7ff48ff3148, 0x0f0080b7e406c7e6, 0x2468880043f2431, 0x50ff8894803b299, 0xedeb};' > maze.c && gcc maze.c -o maze && ./maze < 1366640104 604801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​䷎䷕䷢䷞䷢䷾䷘䷮䷳䷳䷂䷯䷽䷚䷉䷁䷧䷲䷲䷞䷙䷢䷔䷬䷟䷙䷬䷖䷞䷺䷕䷅䷺䷳䷀䷁䷡䷚䷾䷰䷚䷀䷊䷆䷭䷊䷇䷒䷷䷢䷨䷴䷡䷤䷍䷵䷌䷄䷜䷢䷬䷆䷾䷬䷹䷙䷻䷢䷏䷕䷣䷧䷭䷧䷎䷷䷌䷨䷜䷨䷫䷔䷵䷤䷒䷡䷯䷌䷈䷟䷰䷵䷤䷠䷅䷹䷚䷐䷀䷌䷃䷾䷒䷝䷕䷤䷨䷜䷈䷑䷯䷭䷠䷚䷼ < 1366640105 24538 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366640185 234334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel that i have been misrepresented < 1366640185 584447 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1366640226 447690 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: what happens when Phantom_Hoover takes care of you? < 1366640248 684558 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ask him, I guess < 1366640250 474515 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: äääää??? < 1366640252 318924 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe YOU SHOULDN'T < 1366640253 840723 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make one mistake, and you end up having to take care of people forever < 1366640286 276645 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I try to read every new article on your blog to learn more about you < 1366640308 744262 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/blog/tumblr < 1366640368 545257 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./maze | hd < 1366640370 344969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 e4 b7 81 e4 b7 83 e4 b7 80 e4 b7 8b e4 b7 8f e4 |................| \ 00000010 b7 8c e4 b7 ae e4 b7 ad e4 b7 90 e4 b7 a7 e4 b7 |................| \ 00000020 aa e4 b7 83 e4 b7 af e4 b7 82 e4 b7 9f e4 b7 8d |................| \ 00000030 e4 b7 a2 e4 b7 b8 e4 b7 82 e4 b7 b9 e4 b7 8e e4 |................| \ 00000040 b7 8f e4 b7 90 e < 1366640392 614992 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you feel lost? Good, the maze is working. < 1366640407 725009 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I felt hl-ed by your maze < 1366640418 545454 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366641790 408621 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1366641804 634882 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how true < 1366641986 805016 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1366642001 45215 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366642132 675973 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366642145 945022 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the fresh feeling of a new kernel! < 1366642185 555617 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366642258 580292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1366642827 285483 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366642979 267218 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366644161 846573 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch sprunge.us/hbDf < 1366644163 944623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-04-22 15:22:42 URL:http://sprunge.us/hbDf [3795] -> "hbDf" [1] < 1366644175 467467 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat hbDf < 1366644176 282427 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​... bottle of claret for you if I'd realised. I'd forgotten all about it, George, I'm sorry. < 1366644177 796390 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366644196 3864 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tr A-Z a-z+'-" | sed -e "s/its alright//g' -e 's/number \(9\|nine\)/+/g' -e "s/if you\(ll\|ve\|d\) become naked/-/g" -e 's/the beatles/./g' -e 's/paul is dead/,/g' -e 's/revolution 1/[/g' -e 's/revolution 9/]/g'|tac|tac | tr -cd '[],.<>+-' < 1366644197 526917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<<<<<<<<<- < 1366644212 322817 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's disappointing < 1366644282 386973 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366644287 898214 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1366644649 749103 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned on by dead man < 1366644656 676402 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than raping a mexican monkey, I guess < 1366644991 596783 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that monkey's gone to heaven < 1366645017 249877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w a t < 1366645312 434470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the source for the maze program is at https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/5364432 < 1366645429 906461 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put code in main, you need to zero out the registers < 1366645442 976699 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you also "need to" in _start but linux does that for you < 1366645456 887749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghaaaargh! my eyes! < 1366645598 476848 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366646560 579584 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366646726 379889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1366646762 962046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366647041 498243 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1366648357 649609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366648377 138176 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come if I see a maths question on Tumblr I can't resist doing it but I have a whole pile of overdue maths homework of my own that I haven't even started < 1366648410 418836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: likely to do with how much it engages your brain < 1366648428 167663 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it was a really boring maths question < 1366648443 297767 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sketch the graph 'y = (x - 2)^3 - 6(x - 2)^2 + 9(x- 2)'" < 1366648446 468892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you only need to zero them out if you're assuming they're zero... < 1366648496 478111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there are webapps to do that < 1366648626 927970 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: or if you syscall < 1366648654 789693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm required to zero out registers that aren't used by that syscall's arguments? < 1366648682 320747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that your response to looking at the code or to running it? :D < 1366648732 421487 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might need to zero out rax < 1366648790 128838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1366648790 428805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rax holds the syscall number < 1366648804 758943 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366648810 823084 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of rax isn't zeroed out, so rax probably isn't a valid syscall number < 1366648816 148338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdtsc clobbers rax, then shr eax, 17 guarantees the top of rax is 0 < 1366648836 959010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an 'mov %edi, %eax' right before the syscall < 1366648849 338451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%edi is initialized to one and never changed < 1366648864 313715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh. I missed that < 1366648865 558254 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdtsc writes eax:edx < 1366648868 419820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll clear the top too < 1366648871 404365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is kind of obfuscated because I was trying to use the minimum number of bytes < 1366648874 349249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366648912 708314 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov doesn't clear the high bits < 1366648939 628315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1366648941 87881 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... it does < 1366648941 294608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless this instruction set is crazier than I thought < 1366648944 49035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1366648945 648249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1366648955 708202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing with the 32-bit -> 64-bit extension < 1366648959 988074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :storing to the lower 32 bits of a 64-bit register clears the upper 32 bits < 1366648968 980980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is supposed to facilitate using 32-bit pointers in 64-bit code, maybe < 1366648975 658072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit instructions clear the top 32-bits that they don't use, I think they did it that way because of data dependency < 1366648995 768244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe < 1366648996 336925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most code uses 32-bit registers for most of its work and having to explicitly clear the top 32 bits would be frustrating < 1366649019 189670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they really really hate it when you do things like, modify ax, and then modify al, and read ax, and read ah, and modify al, and read ax, and...) < 1366649034 38214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366649058 68672 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically they did exactly the opposite of what happened with 16bit -> 32bit -_- < 1366649073 598517 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366649087 932701 :Zuu!~zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366649115 952922 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'main() { asm("xor %edi, %edi\n" "inc %edi\n" "mov %rsp, %rsi\n" "go: movl $0xb195e2, (%rsi)\n" "rdtsc\n" "and $1, %al\n" "add %al, 2(%rsi)\n" "mov %edi, %eax\n" "xor %edx, %edx\n" "mov $3, %dl\n" "syscall\n" "jmp go"); }' > maze.c && gcc maze.c -o maze && ./maze < 1366649119 799372 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu NICK :Zuu < 1366649122 47194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​╲╱╲╱╱╲╱╱╱╱╱╲╱╱╲╱╱╱╲╲╲╱╱╱╱╱╱╲╱╲╱╱╱╲╱╱╱╱╲╱╱╱╱╱╲╱╲╱╱╲╲╲╲╲╱╲╲╲╱╱╱╱╲╱╲╲╲╱╱╱╱╱╱╲╱╱╱╲╱╲╲╲╲╲╱╱╲╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╱╲╱╱╲╱╱╱╲╲╲╱╲ < 1366649132 728981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-139-95.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366649133 429437 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1366649158 786396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366649194 768110 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1366649214 578424 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh that reminds me, I think still the silliest consequence of that thing < 1366649220 589675 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "xchg eax, eax" is no longer a nop < 1366649245 871479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what thing < 1366649285 358815 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is xchg, swap? < 1366649310 428539 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1366649310 878307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think so < 1366649316 79980 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a nop < 1366649320 367700 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the original x86, "xchg eax, eax" happened to be "0x90" < 1366649326 518632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was used as a nop instruction < 1366649338 715449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in x86_64 it doesn't work because it clears the top 32 bits of RAX so it suddenly doesn't do nothing anymore! < 1366649350 888765 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but nop is still 0x90. it's just different now.) < 1366649362 288650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: 0x90 is still a NOP but it's a special case in the encoding now < 1366649389 638560 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did they encode xchg eax, eax another way < 1366649393 529559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1366649441 705407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, cqd is probably the shortest way to clear rdx < 1366649446 858263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds messy < 1366649511 338649 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it's cdq < 1366649528 709114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cqo? that weird one < 1366649537 879356 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, one of those < 1366649591 758845 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1366649598 825536 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366649599 587306 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in 64-bit mode, wouldn't cdq also clear rdx < 1366649602 143309 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1366649615 108348 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 should be on the wiki < 1366649616 850171 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1366649625 919628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm.... cdq would set all bits in edx equal to bit 31 of eax, I think < 1366649630 248292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zero the top 32 bits of rdx < 1366649662 55107 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what is cdq a mnemnoic for? < 1366649669 531314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnemonic even < 1366649678 219514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert doubleword to quadword? < 1366649685 124606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sign extend thing, I think? < 1366649688 437763 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366649712 138586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gas / AT&T syntax calls it "cltd" < 1366649714 599056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cbw does AL -> AX, cwde does AX -> EAX, cdqe does eax - < 1366649719 22325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eax -> RAX ... um < 1366649724 295503 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366649750 77889 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then CWD does AX->DX:AX < 1366649764 668970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CDQ EAX->EDX:EAX and CQO RAX->RDX:RAX < 1366649773 159564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez there's more of these than I remembered < 1366649789 918269 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy the power of octwords < 1366649795 852199 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most commonly they're seen used before divides? like since IDIV is (EDX:EAX / REG) < 1366649802 38482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly you just want to do EAX/REG < 1366649807 778733 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you do CDQ, then IDIV < 1366649817 778604 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I think I remember that being like the textbook example thing < 1366649843 208589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They encode xchg eax, eax as 87 c0 (aka using the XCHG r/m32, r32 (or I guess the XCHG r32, r/m32 form if you like) encoding, instead of the 90+rw XCHG EAX, r32 special case. < 1366649848 210212 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I thought it was just to make linux syscall golfing easier < 1366649858 538856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366649859 658272 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read this textbook < 1366649863 248295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my parens all confused there. < 1366649863 660026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we also have movslq and whatever..... < 1366649873 278307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it looks like the "special case" is now xchg RAX, r64? < 1366649876 758617 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 64-bit mode < 1366649891 848086 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm reading the intel manual thing righgt < 1366649893 527734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Nnno. < 1366649912 277853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: REX.W + 90+rd is what XCHG RAX, r64 is encoded with. < 1366649931 478298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default operand size is still mostly 32 bits if you don't have a REX.W in place, after all. < 1366649932 899154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I'm not reading it right < 1366649986 48924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to find where the manual actually mentioned the nop collision thing >_< < 1366650064 358528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either I'm wrong or um, it doesn't even mention this in the section on XCHG ~_~ < 1366650084 138233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are expected to know it. :p < 1366650088 629801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still true.) < 1366650101 578103 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm just like. wow they just siloently redefined it < 1366650114 253414 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sneaky < 1366650170 900335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: from running it. < 1366650188 488592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: FWIW, AMD manual is very explict about it. < 1366650208 438090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The x86 architecture commonly uses the XCHG EAX, EAX instruction (opcode 90h) as a one-byte < 1366650211 808679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP. In 64-bit mode, the processor treats opcode 90h as a true NOP only if it would exchange rAX < 1366650215 298621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :with itself. Without this special handling, the instruction would zero-extend the upper 32 bits of RAX, < 1366650218 808686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus it would not be a true no-operation." < 1366650231 838289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In XCHG's description page.) < 1366650260 769428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice!! maybe I should use the AMD ones instead < 1366650275 388278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not always as thorough as the Intel ones. < 1366650297 579053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the PDF is just 474 pages! Who wants to get caught with a manual that thin! < 1366650308 698763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366650321 978781 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably also don't have any instructions AMD hasn't implemented yet, I'd guess < 1366650326 798962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then again Intel wouldn't have XOP and stuff) < 1366650331 159996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was a revision from 2007, and it's just the "Volume 3: General-Purpose and System Instructions", but still.) < 1366650341 999013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have somewhere around 5 volumes. < 1366650364 163735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 being the same as Intel's 1; 2 being Intel's 3 (the system programming stuff); 3-5 being the instruction references. < 1366650382 478106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 for what I mentioned, 4 for MMX, 5 for SSE. Or something vaguely like that. < 1366650391 951124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have AVX yet? < 1366650394 908385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :x87 floating-point also went somewhere. < 1366650396 963120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, I mean, the bulldozer nominally supports it < 1366650425 253402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go fetch a new set and check. I mean, 2007. < 1366650431 48500 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366650435 898560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1366650441 618810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, stuff has sort of happened < 1366650454 848676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least a separate "New “Bulldozer” and “Piledriver” Instructions Guide", the latest in the list of specific guides. < 1366650489 300817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it the wrong way around, volume 4 is "128-bit and 256 bit media instructions", and volume 5 is the one with "64-Bit Media and x87 Floating-Point Instructions". < 1366650495 218690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing that mostly translates to AVX and BMI1 unless I'm missing another letter salad thing < 1366650508 489523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest versions of the manuals are from December 2011, so it probably wouldn't have AVX instructions in it. < 1366650570 328235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1366650603 464021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The document that the web page says is from "12/13/2011" has Revision History entries from September 2012 in it. < 1366650631 988346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything past December 2011 is just "corrected X", though, so maybe bugfixes don't count. < 1366650701 958168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual does speak of VEX prefixes, wasn't that an AVX thing? < 1366650707 898215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1366650718 709452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was used for xop and BMI and stuff too < 1366650742 609943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there it is, the December 2010 changelog entry. < 1366650750 222763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Complete revision and reformat accommodating 128-bit and 256-bit media < 1366650750 429821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :instructions. Includes revised definitions of legacy SSE, SSE2, SSE3, < 1366650750 430056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE4.1, SSE4.2, and SSSE3 instructions, as well as new definitions of < 1366650750 430162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :extended AES, AVX, CLMUL, FMA4, and XOP instructions. < 1366650755 853593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very future-ready thinking. < 1366650824 858776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many fucking instructions < 1366650839 669290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason AES-NI is also part of the "128-Bit and 256-Bit Media Instructions" volume, though an appendix of it. (I... guess the number of bits is sort of appropriate, at least.) < 1366650851 218156 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC 4 lyfe < 1366650851 520810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1366650878 538671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it uses SSE registers too < 1366650900 778090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't see them already, here are some simple AES-NI example programs I wrote: https://github.com/kmcallister/aesni-examples < 1366650927 994422 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow elisp has a shitload of special forms < 1366650929 757308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's a bit more complicated than "do AES here" < 1366650955 839639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i even want to know why "with-output-to-temp-buffer" is special cased... < 1366650968 828237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elisp is the worst lisp < 1366650978 724718 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366650999 118659 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i should rewrite emacs in kernel < 1366651019 429523 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«A Lisp macro is a list whose CAR is `macro'.» god < 1366651186 279138 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about autolisp < 1366651234 78852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha what is that from < 1366651271 949704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elisp manual < 1366651281 770360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Yle ("Finnish BBC") just made their own channels watchable live in the interwebs. (Probably geoip-limited into Finland.) < 1366651295 30473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(append '(lambda (x)) (list (list '+ (* 3 4) 'x))) => a function < 1366651297 448327 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ. < 1366651301 161601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: good < 1366651323 928496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it gives me an error < 1366651332 949921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tapahtui yhteysvirhe < 1366651337 189891 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funcall (append '(lambda (x)) (list (list '+ (* 3 4) 'x))) 9) => 21 < 1366651345 49446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokeile ladata sivu y(?)u(?)destaan. < 1366651349 938997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1366651358 31206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A connection error happened", roughly translated. < 1366651362 299840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Internet-yhteydessä on ongelma (esim?langaton y?teys katkeaa hetkellisesti). < 1366651373 718939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these ?s are where the loading spinnre thing obscrues the letters < 1366651377 809675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Try reloading the page." Yeah, I don't think that's going to help. < 1366651385 149420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "uudestaan", but okays. < 1366651396 578675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) Käytät palvelua ulkomalia, ja ohjelman k(?)atseluoik?us on rajattu vain Suomeen. < 1366651407 449812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's the "you're not in Finland!" rule. < 1366651415 698397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :☹ < 1366651429 551450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I like, proxy through you < 1366651435 849366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish tv sounds amazing! < 1366651436 121573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it has to do with copyrights. < 1366651442 983345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like copywrongs < 1366651444 839172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear copyrights r bad < 1366651451 110204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I…M…H…O… < 1366651459 48311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I°M°H°O° < 1366651470 649397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IȯMȯHȯOȯ < 1366651472 116247 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i to the m to the h to the o < 1366651486 800221 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the `double-property' function, we did not quote the `lambda' form. This is permissible, because a `lambda' form is "self-quoting": evaluating the form yields the form itself. < 1366651490 569917 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck obscrue < 1366651492 105942 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1366651497 189629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copydongs < 1366651513 134809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know any other good dotty type things in compose key < 1366651514 341954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366651517 159253 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(car (lambda (x) x)) => lambda, oh my god < 1366651561 259134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: goood < 1366651563 439281 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good it says "true compiled code" is machine code < 1366651584 710253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this is very žëṕẗȯ < 1366651587 876122 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366651599 829062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's žëṕẗȯ < 1366651609 967231 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it swedish for "shitty" < 1366651625 59874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℤ𝔼ℙ𝕋𝕆 < 1366651637 178941 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366651650 59218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℼ < 1366651677 546581 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366651847 849829 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366651947 158992 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652119 741051 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652150 572537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366652158 782631 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366652182 664281 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652207 670189 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652220 764728 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-17.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652256 220497 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-17.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1366652256 427095 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652713 11022 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'const long main[]={7957687918238111208,2334956356649383027,8880356687520293229,13906764017533270909,1419365910561212297,2626879827020416271,16736655261603120681,17579598881254060795,1623775261490201216,5242470257800545608,1149026244854305933,14731853813082619653,194239108057989552,837530158351,};' >q.c && gcc q.c -o q && rm q.c < 1366652718 295122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q.c:1:80: warning: integer constant is so large that it is unsigned \ q.c:1: warning: this decimal constant is unsigned only in ISO C90 \ q.c:1:141: warning: integer constant is so large that it is unsigned \ q.c:1: warning: this decimal constant is unsigned only in ISO C90 \ q.c:1:162: warning: integer constant is so large that it is unsigned \ q. < 1366652732 460067 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./q < 1366652733 574204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :const long main[]={7957687918238111208,2334956356649383027,8880356687520293229,13906764017533270909,1419365910561212297,2626879827020416271,16736655261603120681,17579598881254060795,1623775261490201216,5242470257800545608,1149026244854305933,14731853813082619653,194239108057989552,837530158351,}; < 1366652841 282989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a nice quine < 1366652848 569768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if rather architecture-specific < 1366652868 60471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellcode quine! < 1366652876 381460 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I tried (car (lambda (x) x)) and it works in neither clisp nor racket < 1366652895 150199 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only works in a real lisp like elisp < 1366652908 99660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elisp is a real lisp? < 1366652908 344730 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :clisp "hides too much under the hood" < 1366652923 720552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Racket? < 1366652924 890071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you take the car of a lambda? < 1366652934 488961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't a cons cell, that's a function < 1366652943 249089 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :conses all the way down < 1366652961 999668 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the car of a lambda in elisp then < 1366652964 666550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1366652964 873576 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well until you hit the elisp interpreter which is in C < 1366652974 138154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some lisps represent functions as lists < 1366652976 160879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lisp machines? < 1366652985 40061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly dynamically scoped lisps, where you don't need to also remember an environment < 1366652989 504644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. if the car is somehow referring to itself < 1366652993 10366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of Overload a lot < 1366652994 641914 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... this 19 year old food trader took down belgium.be using Low Orbit Ion Canon... great security there < 1366652997 154968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you could pull off similar tricks < 1366653011 263985 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel ashamed of such horrible security < 1366653020 380274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the commands in Overload gave you a pointer to itself < 1366653023 219854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it was called < 1366653025 274333 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does belgium.be need security < 1366653036 589229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was quite good for writing quines, as you could guess < 1366653040 310511 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: why in god's name would that work in a sane lisp < 1366653053 20030 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because it's our government’s central website < 1366653062 861408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a government now? < 1366653064 88468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know < 1366653065 820145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uncompiled functions in emacs are actually conses < 1366653071 470285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't answer the question < 1366653072 103652 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Yes! < 1366653076 321118 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(car '(lambda (x) x)) works as expected < 1366653083 204025 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: reputation damage is huge < 1366653101 863955 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that they have any though, you have a point there) < 1366653118 950297 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366653120 771765 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're not the luxembourgian government < 1366653122 100521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: and returns 'lambda? < 1366653133 640407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you can write the identity function as (list 'lambda '(x) x) < 1366653135 880664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is me testing to see if I remember Lisp syntax and semantics correctly) < 1366653147 10335 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366653158 240477 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1366653161 281708 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ?... < 1366653171 557330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so what's the difference between list and eval? anything? < 1366653191 4310 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: but they're part of the BeNeLux! < 1366653207 939999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't understand. in elisp the list (lambda (x) x) is used as an interpreted function. the list (+ 4 5) is still that list, not 9. < 1366653218 90276 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unimportant part, evidently < 1366653234 769745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: aha, they're the same for lists starting with lambda, specifically < 1366653237 489728 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eval (list 'lambda '(x) x)) is still the identity function, because lambda is basically an extended quote in uncompiled elisp < 1366653257 130134 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there compiled elisp now < 1366653258 139945 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Definitely not! < 1366653270 489819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's had a byte compiler for like deaces. < 1366653272 960961 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :decades < 1366653276 69852 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the heart of Europe! < 1366653285 399754 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's probably not very good) < 1366653288 89750 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does that car thing work? < 1366653301 614473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which car thing? < 1366653302 249805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect (car (lambda (x) x)) to return 'lambda given the information about elisp so far < 1366653307 369876 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1366653313 630651 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean that using loic on belgium is like... a heart attack < 1366653341 937819 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes! < 1366653385 729441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was mentioned why it works. < 1366653399 112000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "This is permissible, because a `lambda' form is "self-quoting": evaluating the form yields the form itself." < 1366653406 1136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366653421 769735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the conversation, I thought that (car (lambda (x) x)) would be '(car (lambda (x) x)) < 1366653430 780195 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1366653432 330779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of a semantics insane enough that that owuld work < 1366653446 401980 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is outraging me < 1366653456 520312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :caddddddr < 1366653484 990841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload had an uncar operator, by the way < 1366653507 521241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave it a pointer to an element of a list, and it gave you the entire list < 1366653517 981925 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. < 1366653533 244369 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what if the same thing is in multiple lists < 1366653540 702096 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my Lisp interpreter, (car (lambda (x) x)) causes an error < 1366653544 247206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I believe a restricted version of that made it into Underload < 1366653546 112970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the a command < 1366653553 970925 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Overload < 1366653560 180661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: the language Underload is a tarpit of < 1366653575 560255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was never fully specified, I kept changing my mind about things < 1366653582 920857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: I think it was established that it needs to be a real lisp, like elisp. < 1366653587 452625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was notable for combining features that probably shouldn't be combined < 1366653598 780427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: (car) bad argument type: #" <- that's not what a real lisp would say! < 1366653615 1021 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err or < 1366653627 152457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly it was from a Scheme interpreter, so that was obvious.) < 1366653647 490485 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elisp a real lisp? < 1366653652 160848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the realest < 1366653653 319943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The realest. < 1366653657 100955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrrrrrr too slow. < 1366653670 316 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow LIKE A LISP INTERPRETER!! Oh man burn < 1366653681 100882 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sarcasm detecting is oscillating... < 1366653689 220541 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :*detector < 1366653693 239863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what the fuck is up with markov's principle, man < 1366653696 840458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the most eso part of Overload was the pointers < 1366653723 179932 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy the other markov < 1366653741 270329 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more than one Markov? < 1366653771 219926 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the one had a son. < 1366653772 976923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if you're interested I can try to dig up a half-complete interpreter or two < 1366653780 271131 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1366653789 310579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one in Perl and one in C++, which use very different methods of handling the pointers, although I think they're mostly semantically the same? < 1366653791 421434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/8/e/c8e611b37d8d4536e513f5a750fc75d6.png using my math knowledge i can determine that this shit is wack, elliott < 1366653904 310152 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366653910 439952 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double not < 1366653953 41191 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to intuitionism! < 1366653985 839626 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(¬¬x) = ¬¬f(x) < 1366654004 950525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's not the same markov. fuck < 1366654007 33379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks UK keyboard for actually having a ¬ key, even if it basically never comes up < 1366654022 812785 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's his son, imo they're basically the same? < 1366654046 591807 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markov Markoviyich < 1366654058 520241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ¬ key is indispensible for faces, such as ¬_¬ < 1366654060 360353 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“US International (AltGr dead keys)” has ¬, too. < 1366654094 549803 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now mapped ¬ to ^V < 1366654095 96168 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366654100 870510 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so speaking of nothing can someone quickly tell me what a "linearly separable function" is because i'm feeling pretty dumb right now < 1366654165 739862 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one that can be cut in half with a straight line. < 1366654173 814780 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a pair of scissors. < 1366654180 730377 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a mean thing to do to a function < 1366654188 475255 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optionally a blowtorch. < 1366654330 391614 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366654384 950788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a function that can be expressed as a linear combination of two (or more) other functions: f(x) = a * g(x) + b * h(x) < 1366654436 911796 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. thanks. < 1366654580 300279 :Phantom_motnahP!6cab6b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.171.107.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366654606 540952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you make the Lisp interpreter? I don't know a lot of Lisp; do you know of MDL and/or ZIL? < 1366654623 938713 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be hip, write a lisp interpreter in haskell < 1366654704 914151 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366655145 81043 :Phantom_motnahP!6cab6b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.171.107.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you going to be hip and write a lisp interpreter in Haskell? < 1366655145 390928 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_motnahP: you are strong of will...! that's the pendant the gurus and miss you. < 1366655160 111806 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366655283 48047 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366655417 41703 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-65.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1366655657 351551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my Latin teacher has just resigned < 1366655707 412021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1366655723 801984 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't know < 1366655734 182306 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's due to illness < 1366655740 276733 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to latin class < 1366655742 78441 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366655766 521220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a latin scandal < 1366655812 952192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's a new person in my latin class < 1366655827 801173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further skewing the already dangerously warped gender ratio < 1366655850 803832 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366655919 274876 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366656030 62821 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366656415 621094 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp-in-haskell/blaise_src.zip is a lisp written in haskell < 1366656476 646921 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Freefall had a great punchline < 1366656630 243537 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366656905 21765 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THIS MEANS NOTHING WITHOUT A LATIN TEACHER < 1366656959 752617 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366657721 852847 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, perhaps you could be the latin teacher < 1366657738 73772 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can I be a latin teacher when I have so much to learn < 1366657764 364012 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1366657802 380452 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's going to call you out on it Taneb < 1366657810 362837 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the romans? protip: they're dead < 1366657818 554813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the latvians < 1366657915 240262 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366657962 453005 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latvians speak latvin you idiot < 1366657966 62770 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pron. latwin) < 1366657994 623263 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Edinburghians < 1366658018 496618 :Phantom_motnahP!6cab6b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.171.107.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they speak Errinian < 1366658027 392527 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glaswegians? < 1366658029 442503 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb you can't just name random places on the off chance they speak -- Phantom_motnahP WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU < 1366658039 54801 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WZZARzpckw splode < 1366658088 62336 :Phantom_motnahP!6cab6b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.171.107.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: you from the future < 1366658103 431730 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you from the future after i do my exams < 1366658106 983786 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366658112 263660 :Phantom_motnahP!6cab6b2f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.171.107.47 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1366658124 775974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that wasn't actually ph? < 1366658134 503649 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1366658136 233054 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared < 1366658148 813010 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got their ip! 108.171.107.47 < 1366658152 263531 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were using webchat < 1366658154 343301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably anothertset he does annoying things like that a lot < 1366658156 122450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*test < 1366658164 302546 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1366658169 92376 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he is a bit of a shit isn't he < 1366658176 963972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... ThatOtherPerson? god I can't keep track of all these new people!! < 1366658184 213824 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1366658186 692545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover wins civility award 2013 for 100th time in a row < 1366658188 82284 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson's cool in my book < 1366658195 213595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: we are trying to figure out who logged in as ph < 1366658199 83959 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1366658200 31250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's someone from miami < 1366658205 210138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell would be in miami... < 1366658210 223588 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure i wouldn't go to miami < 1366658286 707313 :Anickyan!~mads@0125800301.0.fullrate.dk QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366658321 644513 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what all did motnahp say < 1366658336 106705 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:25:45: fungot: are you going to be hip and write a lisp interpreter in Haskell? < 1366658336 318830 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: yes, it's been awhile prometheus! tastes like chicken! yes. this is the mayor's education center! < 1366658346 24612 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note totally inconsistent capitalisation with me < 1366658757 308943 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :What capitalization would you have used? < 1366658936 493184 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366659236 558441 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1366659403 563755 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs kmc < 1366659415 796141 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm reading the logs D:) < 1366659473 759220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs a lot of hugs :< < 1366659481 849916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/needs/deserves/, even < 1366659589 776386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1366659598 398222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I got a fun new toy today < 1366659601 751201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software defined radio < 1366659660 941140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuning into kmc radio < 1366659691 211811 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366659697 899369 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty cool! < 1366659707 439819 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1366659744 431596 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's... a weird thing < 1366659787 872100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely a radio station kmc is running on his computer. < 1366659801 524715 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, a weird thing < 1366659805 121463 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio free keegan < 1366659805 731482 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a radio where most of the work normally done by hardware is done by software < 1366659809 751985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a radio that can be tuned through a wide range of frequencies, which sends raw amplitude / phase samples to a computer < 1366659819 439509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the computer can perform whatever decoding / demodulating you need < 1366659829 58790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can listen to a lot of different kinds of analog and digital transmissions < 1366659852 178510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the hardware is a cheap USB TV tuner dongle that turns out to have the appropriate hardware under the hood < 1366659857 171868 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-65.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1366659906 328825 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good ol' dongles < 1366659928 24235 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366660045 774313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I can use all this equipment to... listen to commercial FM radio < 1366660051 143821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is mostly commercials and bad music < 1366660056 83182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :money well spent I say < 1366660073 905650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running some script to compile all of GNU Radio and a bunch of other nonsense and we'll see what I can do then < 1366660081 493367 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you should start a talk radio station < 1366660088 736850 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really get on those lizard people's case < 1366660142 350731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when can i listen to kmc radio < 1366660173 751655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it play AM radio? < 1366660178 779192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think so < 1366660218 943784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it play weather band, air traffic control, police band, etc? < 1366660258 566099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound on Linux is such a mess. :/ < 1366660432 122103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: think so < 1366660464 213286 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366660476 59562 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think police radio is encrypted here. < 1366660484 837407 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it isn't here < 1366660537 337659 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if we have police here < 1366660546 84803 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just joking :D) < 1366660569 984210 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1366660584 155007 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* :D) < 1366660627 673677 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for sure that there's military, there's this guy with a machine gun who's always in my school's parking lot < 1366660637 931966 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he there < 1366660675 80061 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :To guard us < 1366660679 433535 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that nice < 1366660726 564145 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school is on the grounds of the US Consulate, so we're fairly well guarded < 1366660749 787199 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mum went to school for a bit in an Italian school in Pakistan < 1366660804 527694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no luck tuning AM radio with the simple software I have < 1366660830 904243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might also have the wrong kind of antenna < 1366660935 685476 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know if Arduino supports "proper" C? As opposed to that Sketch thingy. I'm looking for a device for running a small embedded software and I'm not thrilled by what I have seen of the IDE. I would just prefer a standard setup using make (or tup probably) with non-hosted C. < 1366660957 859370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1366660961 961508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help you make it go < 1366660976 229573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a device yet, I'm evaluating my options currently. < 1366660996 688228 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is it hard to make it work? < 1366660997 300258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write C code and compile it with avr-gcc and upload it with avrdude < 1366660999 668543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's easy < 1366661006 42584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1366661021 662044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually I use a small shell script rather than a makefile, there's no need for separate compilation or anything < 1366661024 288956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the AVR has no MMU though < 1366661029 323740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the whole program fits in a few kB ;P < 1366661043 608538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1366661049 647682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tiny embedded processor < 1366661053 447344 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would habe been neat to write a small RTOS for this, but meh, that IS kind of overkill < 1366661058 132122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/habe/have/ < 1366661062 481044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AVR has definitely no MMU at all. *grmbl* < 1366661063 10206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even moderately powerful ARM microcontrollers don't always have a MMU < 1366661069 485376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not needed for embedded stuff < 1366661071 635831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1366661091 178695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arduinos are kind of expensive, but the raw AVR chip is like $4 < 1366661095 380143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get smaller ones for $2 < 1366661112 961539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do need a board for it though, I'm pretty terrible at soldering. < 1366661119 85471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way to get better < 1366661121 448043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1366661130 177873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :building your own AVR breakout boards from scratch is pointless < 1366661137 892398 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: get a breadboard and a teensy. < 1366661138 99668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, destroying AVR is not the way go ;P < 1366661149 122349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find cheaper AVR-based boards than Arduino < 1366661157 727174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have a software-only USB stack < 1366661162 224678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arduino is fine though < 1366661165 968040 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hollers with full pulmonary force: TEEEEENSYYYYY! < 1366661169 803126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, any hardware debug in Aurduino? < 1366661193 337200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I used a hardware JTAG debugger with AVR at university before. Worked well. < 1366661237 628444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think it was called the AVR Dragon < 1366661241 417510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something such < 1366661262 284606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've used < 1366661285 929027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow those are kind of expensive < 1366661306 827176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what about emulation? < 1366661316 899317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366661327 186133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not thrilled by the idea of not being able to debug the thing < 1366661350 494249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually debug by sending data back over serial < 1366661352 494349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best < 1366661355 504237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used any emulator < 1366661400 531414 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe going for an ARM based board and using a real time Linux patch set would be less painful, though more expensive. < 1366661406 318802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I could use gdb on that. < 1366661448 766415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what (if any) real time linux distros there is for the RPi for example... < 1366661452 626772 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Might be fun playing with software-defined radio. < 1366661461 546879 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure my tuner card will work for it. < 1366661476 379750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or BeagleBoard. < 1366661495 664617 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ludicrously old TV tuner card with a BT878. < 1366661509 882074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are you doing? < 1366661512 271093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A radio? < 1366661513 575124 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works just fine; last used it yesterday. < 1366661519 957387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :)I have that in my phone) < 1366661524 24066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)/(/ < 1366661525 936994 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thinking about maybe using it for software-defined radio. < 1366661528 937053 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a TV tuner card. < 1366661537 519450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "software defined radio"? < 1366661555 854313 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, where you use hardware to tune a signal and do all other processing in software. < 1366661581 348511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a TV tuner work for that? Don't usually decode on the board. < 1366661603 233099 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do. This particularly old one is an ADC and a tuner. < 1366661681 158081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1366661690 564862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what frequency range does it support? < 1366661692 273199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with this DVB TV dongle it's in some debug mode < 1366661703 455470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh? < 1366661706 14857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless hw engineers for leaving that stuff in < 1366661720 855153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, did you want that mode or not? < 1366661721 828322 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1366661740 485489 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the range is, aside from the obvious (TV signal frequencies in all countries) < 1366661748 171614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's the mode that lets it function as an SDR < 1366661755 864744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDR? < 1366661757 401132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1366661760 596053 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software-defined radio < 1366661761 327996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1366661767 455083 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... yes, all. This thing actually tunes PAL. Wheeee.) < 1366661775 293398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1366661787 517029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, PAL is most common after all, so that makes sense < 1366661788 814735 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't have an antenna for it. < 1366661802 584711 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Over-the-air there's not a single PAL. < 1366661809 990573 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like a dozen OTA PAL variants. < 1366661810 994571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not an antenna for PAL or not an antenna for it at all? < 1366661816 14519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh really? < 1366661816 262679 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an antenna at all. < 1366661816 915499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1366661826 645443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1366661829 420788 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it for composite display. < 1366661858 864653 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrm < 1366661908 814611 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference between the different PAL variants is basically just the frequency of the color and audio carrier, and the alotted channel bandwidth. < 1366661914 838374 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With different band plans. < 1366661935 745253 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and PAL-M, which is friggin' weird. < 1366661943 44506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTSC with PAL color. < 1366661973 936463 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366662078 255296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1366662127 589752 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, they redesigned kernel.org? < 1366662129 734549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1366662162 484784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my screen that font is pretty ugly and blurry < 1366662185 295957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oxygen" is the font, ugh < 1366662208 668525 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suppose you could do silly tricks with the FM signals. Like, say, pull in the random weird subcarrier services. < 1366662248 956073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no kernel.org's font has changed............... < 1366662253 605427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal crisis < 1366662273 131896 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it comic sans < 1366662276 10679 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there went all hope of linux on the desktop < 1366662306 674545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the font of Simon Peyton-Jones? < 1366662334 552524 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://plus.google.com/+Linux/posts linux google+ is weirding me out < 1366662392 875662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm, like what? < 1366662399 655168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: crisis on infinite earths < 1366662416 963953 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD Radio, radio reading service for the blind, Muzak... :P < 1366662432 619555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1366662433 214822 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's lots of silly stuff shoved on that band. < 1366662437 764724 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling text ads from RDS < 1366662441 654881 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is pikhq doing with radio < 1366662444 676685 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD Radio is probably the least silly. < 1366662449 305525 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: Just talking about it really. < 1366662538 765589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc RDS is encoded in the audio data somehow (but perhaps in such a way that you can pick it out of the ether directly?) < 1366662593 984695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are quite a few people I know dabbling with SDR these days. < 1366662608 686785 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366662637 376078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's popular now < 1366662642 315999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the USB dongles are so cheap < 1366662645 57780 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1366662647 686455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buying E4000's -- http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr -- and the http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1085541682/bladerf-usb-30-software-defined-radio thing. < 1366662803 526133 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's another subcarrier service. < 1366662833 145157 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's... 57kHz above the carrier? < 1366662837 295676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By a curious coincidence, I've also got an old bt878 card that I've used a couple of times as a composite-in device, in order to make the computer pretend to be a monitor for things.) < 1366662849 287402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) < 1366662857 995661 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's handy for composite in. < 1366662866 719017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it sits, last used a year or two ago. < 1366662889 26288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did show up in some "do you want to make video calls with this" dialog though. < 1366663191 89030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got an af9015 DVB-T dongle too, but I don't think anyone has made any figuring-out of how to do anything like rtl_sdr on it. < 1366663202 546366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Documentation for the AF901x family can be obtained from AFA (under NDA), but it is apparently confusing, as well as incomplete." < 1366663206 505773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best chipset.) < 1366663323 515924 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins somewhat at people using SDR for GPS reception. < 1366663392 46500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm < 1366663396 652647 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366663442 968416 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but :) < 1366663553 925444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The af9015 is still better than the DVB-C USB box that doesn't even manage to reliably do DVB: it's an USB 1.1 device, so the bandwidth isn't enough to deliver the entire MPEG transport stream for any of the bundles they use here; on the other hand, the Linux drivers don't support the hardware "filter one program" mode the box has. < 1366663561 815216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best purchase.) < 1366663867 235505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this DVB dongle is useless for watching actual TV here, AMERICA < 1366663897 860783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you guys do, something AT something? < 1366663905 76592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATSC < 1366663908 607620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1366663915 356522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is for Advanced. < 1366663918 955486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be funny if the SDR setup was good enough to do ATSC in realtime < 1366663922 716083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably isn't? < 1366663923 866109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see < 1366663960 217754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friend fiddling with the E4000 was just listening to FM radio with it. I don't really know anyone who's done anything "sensible" with that stuff. < 1366664102 196280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our building's going to be switching cable TV providers, so I think the DVB-T dongle will become pretty useless here too. (The current one, as a quasi-unofficial service, pushes DVB-T signals also over their cable network; but I don't think the others do that. And the tiny table antenna that came with the dongle doesn't really catch a stable anything.) < 1366664204 546764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to think ATSC is terrible for various reasons < 1366664274 686537 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366664279 86170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1366664287 1798 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366664368 417350 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366664386 796993 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1366664432 947763 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366664463 647090 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-213-112.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1366664529 224773 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1366664577 30109 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366665308 821345 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366665310 980655 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366665363 212937 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1366665700 864633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoting from the driver source for the DVB-C box: [[the DSP supports filtering in hardware, however, since the "muxstream" is a bit braindead (no matching channel masks or no matching filter mask), we won't support this - yet. it doesn't event support negative filters, so the best way is maybe to keep TTUSB_HWSECTIONS undef'd and just parse TS data. USB bandwidth will be a problem when having ... < 1366665706 886444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... large datastreams, especially for dvb-net, but hey, that's not my problem.]] < 1366665744 637311 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1366665756 198046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dvb-net? < 1366665784 996431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not my problem"? why is someone writing a driver for it if it isn't their problem!? < 1366665798 318852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: no. < 1366665829 839179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's some kind of a "generic datastream encapsulation in DVB" thing. < 1366665830 704100 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366665832 296588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1366665853 596161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366665859 537049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If you do go ahead and #define TTUSB_HWSECTIONS, you hit #error TODO: handle ugly stuff. < 1366665861 208210 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i surprise you by answering after such a delay < 1366665888 546329 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah!! < 1366665926 137458 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats what you get for asking random people random questions when they're not around < 1366665936 496649 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"payback" < 1366665955 296769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think whoever wrote it has had a relevant device in a while, since nothing seems to have happened to it in years. < 1366665984 694390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "The DVB net device enables feeding of MPE (multi protocol encapsulation) packets received via DVB into the Linux network protocol stack, e.g. for internet via satellite applications. It can be accessed through /dev/dvb/adapter0/net0." < 1366666010 760649 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you're interested enough to write a driver for some DVB device, you're also interested enough to get a dvb device that actually works < 1366666014 846533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be rather few references to this thing, makes one wonder if it has ever really been done. < 1366666056 476914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The same driver handles quite a few devices, most of which have been sensible enough to do USB 2.0 so that you *can* in fact just slurp the entire TS. I assume the driver-writer had one of these. < 1366666106 676849 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366666682 585917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366666916 608395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1366667028 436835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1366667069 420875 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1366667076 777198 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1366667078 380121 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1366667456 984147 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Honestly it'd be pretty neat if it was good enough to do low-res NTSC in realtime. < 1366667527 177386 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least as far as I understand it, if you're willing to utterly ignore color you can get away with significantly lower sampling rates, but at the cost of getting insanely shit resolution) < 1366667559 697487 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this may not be the case though: I'm a code guy, not some radio tech. :P) < 1366667573 574556 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with stuff like digital OTA TV, how much stuff happens in the analog layer (the stuff the SDR has to do?) and how much in the digital layer? < 1366667680 887630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What has been successfully tested so far is the reception of ​Broadcast FM and air traffic AM radio, ​TETRA, ​GMR, ​GSM, ​ADS-B and ​POCSAG", is what the rtl-sdr project page says. < 1366667766 727386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a large TETRA network in Finland (VIRVE), used by things like police, fire departments, etc.; unfortunately (or not so unfortunately), it's encrypted. < 1366667830 949193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In NTSC, chrominance is encoded using two 3.579545 MHz signals [...]", so I guess you'd need at least 7MS/s to decode it ... not sure if this "QAM" magic adds other requirements < 1366667911 37950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any software NTSC encode/decode even if not real time, but is from a file instead? Can such things be added into ImageMagick? < 1366668013 175142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's software to fiddle with SSTV (naturally), but those modes are quite different. < 1366668037 697919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still: pictures in a phone, how cool is that?) < 1366668046 649078 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and QAM requires phase synchronization, so I guess it's difficult < 1366668051 671214 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1366668126 604638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to have used GNURadio + USRP to decode NTSC. < 1366668147 935219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "proper SDR", of course. < 1366668186 161554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that have a FPGA to do processing? < 1366668244 271048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the GNUradio stuff would run on the FPGA, though. (I don't think it was done in realtime.) < 1366668300 128117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voltage/phase colorspace might also be a useful thing to have, if the channels are L=low voltage, H=high voltage, P=phase, then I think the conversion might be (maybe I am wrong, though): Y' = H+L; U = (H-L)*cos(P); V = (H-L)*sin(P); < 1366668563 948805 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366668887 868430 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1366669022 311774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366669081 32747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366669407 468924 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1366670322 759897 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.162.173 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366670842 649425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366671308 739350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366671376 159416 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Note that you can get meaningful signals without chrominance. < 1366671702 449816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :software radio trip report: < 1366671705 849667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have found many beeps and bloops < 1366671707 699594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no humans yet < 1366671760 602328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love bleeps; bloops < 1366671772 679489 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No luck finding a number station? < 1366671837 631473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are they easy < 1366671883 556839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366671945 279745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleeps and bloops are probably evidence of scheming robots. < 1366671968 551593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than common lisping robots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1366672239 557099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELISP ROBOT. < 1366672315 395541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1366672360 55060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1366672391 620223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably not a coincidence that ELISP ROBOT is an anagram of TRIES BLOOP. < 1366672398 485509 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also like < 1366672401 494386 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :• bleeps < 1366672403 440041 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :• bloops < 1366672414 346188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366672689 417576 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e3d7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1366672906 688971 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1366673025 132968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366673028 11640 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366673123 564679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you like bleeps/bloops < 1366673127 23641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366673145 780708 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleeps/bloops? < 1366673164 30458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1366673174 950182 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what sort of bleeps/bloops we're talking here < 1366673262 146783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :software radio < 1366673303 470594 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard it < 1366673475 291137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn boor < 1366673476 130833 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "boor" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1366673476 337513 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boor < 1366673476 337697 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or < 1366673476 337817 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : refinement [syn: {peasant}, {barbarian}, {boor}, {churl}, < 1366673476 337918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {Goth}, {tyke}, {tike}] < 1366673479 931237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1366673529 810432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone call you a boor shachaf < 1366673534 590459 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor shachaf < 1366673555 766402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1366673567 393802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor boor shachaf < 1366673578 471975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to call someone a boor < 1366673588 351533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i realized that the english word isn't related to the hebrew word < 1366673600 311384 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :boer? < 1366673605 865941 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the hebrew word? < 1366673632 410933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means, uh, an uneducated person? < 1366673672 76196 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the same, except they're not related? < 1366673678 371033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is related...... < 1366673717 681024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366673805 592055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to berber/barbarian or something? < 1366673832 948991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. But who knows. < 1366673848 98662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1366673880 81616 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, it's from Dutch < 1366673885 143625 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-65-49.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job copumpkin < 1366673915 411103 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the etymeister < 1366674101 92499 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1366674106 291952 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1366674839 503046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1366674878 711148 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric