00:00:39 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:00:58 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:01:34 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 00:01:34 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:03:47 erk I hate it when my bugfixes have bugs 00:06:01 don't we all 00:06:31 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:08:12 -!- Bike has joined. 00:17:58 What bugs does that bugfixes has? 00:23:26 The bugfix was supposed to remove a certain element from an array; but it instead removed all other elements from the array. 00:29:45 -!- copumpkin has quit. 00:30:53 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:31:25 Wow 00:35:18 I am so bad at my own game 00:35:26 Solution: make game easier 00:36:20 coward 00:37:10 No, solution is add a difficulty setting. 00:37:28 no solution is to add a difficulty setting. 00:38:30 It gets harder as it goes along 00:38:43 So just make it easier at the beginning 00:43:39 What game is it? 00:45:00 when designing game levels for the first time, it's quite easy to make them too difficult and have to make easier ones 00:45:05 fwiw, the first designed level of DNA Maze was level 10 00:45:18 I realised it was too hard for a first level, so I added 9 before it 00:47:41 Yes, add more levels, is also one thing to do, if it is that kinds of games. There might be a level selector, though, too, depending on the game. 00:49:17 There's just one level that gets harder and harder 00:50:40 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:51:18 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 00:51:18 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:53:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:59:33 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:00:27 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 01:01:29 Perhaps to allow to set the initial and maximum setting. Pokemon de Panepon almost does this: You can set the starting speed/ojama level 1 to 99, and there is also a "slow mode" which does not change. In addition, speed level 99 is not fast enough but if you push B,A,left,left when the copyright notice is displayed, then it will make the game much faster. 01:03:01 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:03:36 In addition, there is also hidden option menu, which allows you to change the sound effect for chain/combo, turn on/off music and sound effect, and to change the number of digits of the score from 5 to 6. (I don't know why they made the score like this. If set to 5 (the default), the score maxes out at 99999. I have gotten many more points than that, though.) 01:03:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 01:03:41 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:06:44 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:09:12 That game also has a hidden difficulty setting in VS.COM mode, which is a lot more difficult than the ordinary "hard" setting, but I still think it is too easy, so I have added a cheat code to speed it up to the maximum speed. I still have not completed that mode 100% when it is like this, although I completed some rounds. 01:11:14 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:12:29 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 01:13:22 I used Factor and Haskell at work today :) 01:13:59 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:14:47 Factor because I just wanted to see if a directory was changing, and I knew Factor had some good stuff for that (primarily used for its code reloading facilities), and Haskell because I wanted to profile something that seemed difficult to profile, so I decided to time how long it takes to output each line 01:25:39 -!- ais523 has quit. 01:37:13 http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp/comments/1dc5kc/the_algos_salsa10_and_salsa20_have_been_removed/ 01:37:22 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:38:39 php is my hero 01:42:55 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:43:05 -!- augur has joined. 01:43:37 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:43:53 -!- augur has joined. 02:01:33 `smlist 02:01:35 smlist: shachaf monqy elliott 02:01:43 thxelliott 02:07:04 Well, I just submitted Taneb and my game for ludum dare: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411 02:07:16 Unfortunately, it isn't really finished 02:07:49 what did taneb do 02:07:53 Die. 02:08:00 He went to bed. 02:10:04 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:11:44 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 02:12:24 is that all he did 02:12:27 @tell Taneb I'll give you the password to my LD account later if you want to rate some of the other LD submissions 02:12:28 Consider it noted. 02:12:31 elliott: what? 02:12:46 03:07:49 what did taneb do 02:12:48 03:08:00 He went to bed. 02:13:02 Oh, I thought you meant most recently. 02:13:19 He came up with the idea, and then we worked on it together 02:16:53 @tell Taneb oh, and also http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411 02:16:53 Consider it noted. 02:26:29 `run echo monqy >> bin/smlist 02:26:31 Oops. 02:26:33 No output. 02:26:34 `revert 02:26:38 Done. 02:26:39 `run echo mnoqy >> bin/smlist 02:26:42 No output. 02:28:56 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:37:41 shachaf: do you know any good zero knowledge proofs 02:37:48 kmc: i know a good one but i don't want to tell you what it is 02:38:41 -rolls- 02:39:38 it's -roll- Bike 02:40:35 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:40:54 so as i was saying, -fuck- -you- 02:43:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:43:47 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:46:02 you don't even know the true meaning Bike!! 02:46:17 there is no truth 02:52:44 Bike doesn't even have a good internet connection............. 02:53:00 i don't know if we can trust a bicycle without an internet connection 02:53:37 If there is no truth you can't trust me hth. 02:54:10 Bike you never put a period after hth "its not allowed" 02:54:54 I'm a rebel. 02:56:16 kmc: are there any zero knowledge "proofs" rather than "probability-based things....." 02:56:53 geez, bet you don't like arthur merlin either 03:00:12 shachaf: i don't know 03:18:31 kmc: prove that you don't know plz thx 03:32:41 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:14:36 `seen Saizan 04:14:40 2013-04-24 12:18:45: shachaf: i've seen it mentioned here and there, and i was looking for somewhere else to lurk 04:15:02 `pastelogs Saizan 04:15:50 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7713 04:34:00 Oh, in C++11 you can say "using" instead of "typedef". 04:34:20 How exciting. 04:35:08 high tech 04:35:24 high Bike 04:35:31 high 04:36:12 hey Bike you're my sleep doctor, should i go to sleep 04:36:27 can i be your sleep doctor 04:36:36 no 04:36:44 i would give you such advice 04:39:34 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:45:26 -!- Bike has joined. 04:48:55 you're no help Bike 04:49:12 fuck that noise 04:49:25 :( 04:49:33 elliott: imo make me your sleep doctor 04:49:37 no 04:49:42 anyway: go the fuck to sleep you fucking shithead what the hell 04:49:43 shachaf, S.D. 04:49:45 i am sure Bike loves me 04:49:47 see right there 04:49:51 pure caring and understanding 04:50:00 bicycles don't have feelings 04:50:03 what the fucking hell you fucking rot 04:50:11 itt all fucks are given 04:50:22 anyway it's only 5:50 i mean come on 04:50:25 also it's daylight savings time? 04:50:27 so it's really 4:50 04:50:31 british double somertime 04:50:45 or is that uh 04:50:47 the other way around 04:50:54 well fuck DST so who cares. 04:50:58 "I see." "Yeah, well that makes fucking one of us." 04:51:16 wanna hear a joke Bike? 04:51:46 Not from you. I want you to be asleep. 04:51:54 kmc could tell me a joke, though, if he wants to 04:51:59 don't you appreciate me 04:52:10 i bet you've never even watched me sleep 04:52:18 i watch you sleep 04:52:26 (that message was addressed to mnoqy btw not to elliott) 04:52:26 I appreciate you, and your (hypothetically) having a healthy sleep schedule. 04:52:44 Bike: have you considered "just giving up now" 04:52:45 shachaf: um 04:52:57 okay well i am sorry if i ever implied that the having of a healthy sleep schedule was a thing that was on the table as possibly happening 04:53:32 mnoqy: what 04:53:43 i don't think watching me sleep is a "normal thing to do" 04:53:48 i sure don't do it, at least 04:54:17 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 04:54:42 mnoqy: have you considered that you're the weirdo here 04:54:50 oerjan watches you sleep 04:54:53 fizzie watches you sleep 04:54:57 ais523 watches you sleep 04:55:25 do they take turns or have a party or what 04:55:25 Vorpal watches you sleep 04:55:36 it's a big watch mnoqy sleep party 04:56:02 sounds boring 04:56:16 no you talk in your sleep 04:56:17 i mean if u start having any fun then you'll wake the mnoqy up??? and then it's over 04:56:20 ah 04:56:21 makes sense 04:56:24 what all do i say 04:56:41 um you talk about boring things 04:56:57 like type systems.. and peru 04:57:08 why would i talk about peru 04:57:15 type systems makes sense but......peru................. 04:57:21 i don't know 04:57:27 i was hoping you could answer that 04:57:49 sometimes you talk in polish but usually in english 04:58:22 and sometimes you talk about your dreams 04:58:37 why would i talk in polish i didn't even know i knew polish 04:58:50 it's one of the unknown knowns, mnoqy 05:00:08 -!- Bike has joined. 05:00:18 fuck this earth 05:00:45 Bike: do you watch mnoqy sleep 05:00:57 Why the fuck would I do that. 05:01:17 Beats fucking Earth. 05:01:46 is that an expression in english an idiom a 05:02:11 mnoqy: what's your favourite polish book 05:02:28 the idiom's actually "fuck this gay earth" but i'm bein' all PC and shit 05:03:04 Is the Earth gay? 05:03:32 do they speak polish in peru 05:03:39 that's the important q here 05:03:42 elliott: no? 05:03:46 what kind of question is that 05:03:51 a good one 05:03:53 an important one also 05:03:58 why would they speak polish in peru 05:04:06 they speak peruvian in peru hth 05:04:34 -!- Bike_ has joined. 05:04:42 they speak polish in polishania 05:05:02 do you watch elliott sleep too maybe you could learn a thing about ~whatever elliott talks about in his sleep~ i don't have watching elliott sleep parties but maybe you do maybe you do 05:05:36 i think having mnoqy watch me sleep would be reassuring 05:05:38 not so sure about shachaf 05:06:01 pikhq: uh have you been there 05:06:44 22:02:11 mnoqy: what's your favourite polish book 05:06:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:06:50 i don't have polish book knowledge 05:06:53 ł 05:07:04 mnoqy: i would watch elliott sleep but i'm too busy watching you sleep all the time to do it 05:07:05 the extent of my polish book knowledge: polish, book, probably exists?? 05:07:12 tbh i'm watching you sleep right now 05:07:23 that explains why im dreaming 05:07:31 well it'd be easier if mnoqy watched me sleep 05:07:32 mnoqy: you gotta choose a favourite polish book 05:07:42 mnoqy: okay i'll give you "2 options" and you choose one okay? 05:07:42 then there could be some simultani-watching going on 05:07:53 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 05:07:54 -!- Bike has quit (Client Quit). 05:08:00 mnoqy: option1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaytek_the_Wizard 05:08:05 mnoqy: option2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cyberiad 05:08:20 both of these look pretty punk 05:08:29 what does punk mean 05:08:31 is it a polish word 05:09:00 hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice 05:09:12 let's ask Bike when he gets back 05:09:50 mnoqy: am I pretty punk? this is of approximately 7/10 importance to me 05:10:08 wow that's several importances 05:10:26 are you a long horse and/or flying wizard 05:10:42 both yes 05:10:44 wait wait wait long horse? 05:10:48 ah, double punk 05:10:53 double punk is ska 05:11:00 kmc: did you read the cyberiad 05:11:26 @ask Bike mnoqy had to pick a favourite polish book: hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice 05:11:27 Consider it noted. 05:12:08 what if he comes back and his name is Bike_ or not even a bike at all???????what if he's not bike he's something else he's 05:12:30 > sort "bike" 05:12:32 "beik" 05:12:35 mnoqy: Beik? 05:13:14 it could happen 05:14:25 shachaf: no 05:14:27 it is my shame :( 05:14:37 when will bike come back :( 05:14:46 perhaps.. neve 05:15:44 :'( 05:15:51 one hopes not 05:16:10 hey kmc should i sleep 05:16:11 "neve" is shorthand for "new year's eve" 05:16:15 shachaf: o 05:16:35 kmc WATCH OUT this question is RIGGED 05:17:24 `run perl -e 'print "Should elliott sleep? imo " . ("yes","no")[rand 2] . "\n"' 05:17:25 Should elliott sleep? imo no 05:19:49 -!- Bike has joined. 05:20:04 hi Bike 05:20:05 `run ruby -e 'puts "Should elliott sleep? imo #{%w(yes no)[rand 2]}"' 05:20:06 bash: ruby: command not found 05:20:12 ............................................................ 05:20:20 whats ruby 05:20:22 heck 05:20:23 Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 05:20:27 @messages 05:20:27 shachaf asked 9m 1s ago: mnoqy had to pick a favourite polish book: hm i think i'll pick the cyberiad is that a good choice 05:20:30 hi 05:20:34 yeah it is 05:20:36 good job. 05:20:49 Bike: his other option was this really obscure polish book you've never even heard of 05:20:50 personally i would have picked glos pana, but whatever 05:20:57 that's pretty obscure. 05:21:00 Bike: he only had two options!!!!!! 05:21:02 Is it about 40% of the population dying? 05:21:18 glos pana looks pretty punk too 05:21:26 i've never read any book by lem 05:21:29 mnoqy: what's the punkest thing 05:21:34 am i a failure 05:21:44 yay Bike is back 05:21:58 Yike is back 05:22:00 elliott: long flying horse wizard kills 40% of population 05:22:03 elliott: that is the punkest thing 05:22:20 i had to restart two routers and also my computer four times 05:22:24 i'm bad with technology. 05:22:28 i have been to poland 05:22:35 I haven't been to Poland. 05:22:39 welp 05:22:41 Should I go be to Poland? 05:22:45 well i'm afraid kmc wins this round of harrowing experiences 05:22:49 I had a dream where I was eaten by a Polish person 05:22:50 good luck next time Bike 05:22:54 elliott: lolol 05:22:58 elliott: have u been to poland y/n 05:23:12 elliott hasn't even been off his island 05:23:22 except for that one time 05:23:40 elliott: where did you go 05:24:07 hm should we start using 'v' as a second persn pronoun 05:24:10 -!- Bike_ has joined. 05:24:10 let's try this out shall we 05:24:14 elliott: where did v go 05:24:19 no good imo 05:24:26 i've been to....... the czech republic 05:24:32 that's the closest i've been to poland does that count 05:24:38 i've never been not on a train in the czech republic 05:24:38 kmc: what's wrong with u 05:24:59 kmc: is this a t/v distinction joke? ver. high brow 05:25:02 > flip evalState the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_the_pure_code $ (["yes", "no"] !!) <$> state (randomR (0,1)) 05:25:05 mueval-core: Time limit exceeded 05:25:08 Bike_: no 05:25:20 O. 05:25:24 nice trion 05:26:24 > the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_the_pure_code 05:26:26 Not in scope: 05:26:26 `the_value_from_newStdGen_i_wish_lambdabot_provided_for_th... 05:27:07 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:27:23 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 05:28:02 Bike: get a fucking bouncer 05:28:49 but that's work 05:29:55 get a fucking mosh 05:29:56 A "fucking bouncer" is some kinda sex device, right? 05:29:59 lololol 05:30:10 kmc's allll about the lulz 05:30:15 by bouncer i include mosh 05:30:46 here's my offer if you disconnect a bunch and it pisses me off i'll give you an account on solidity to irc from but because you're not paying me i can't promise i won't steal your password 05:30:47 bouncer's that thing kiddos play in right 05:30:53 anyone up for taking that offer 05:30:54 i should buy more sex devices 05:30:55 castles and such, lots of air 05:30:57 ph i'm thinking of you too here 05:31:04 mnoqy: do u mean `bouncy castle' 05:31:05 the fuck is solidity 05:31:12 Bike: the esolangs.org server 05:31:14 its named after 05:31:16 `quote solidity 05:31:18 249) enjoy being locked in your matrix of solidity 05:31:24 nice 05:31:26 i'll take that 05:31:34 elliott: well maybe it's not a castle what if it's a normal house for people in it 05:31:38 hey can i steal Bike's password 05:31:40 Bike: i have to write the keylogger first sorry 05:31:53 i'll wait here 05:31:58 elliott: or a chicken probably you could make that work i'm sure you have the clever and the knack i'm sure you could 05:31:59 Bike: also i thought you wanted me to sleep 05:32:05 Bike: why don't you make yourself useful, write a keylogger for elliott 05:32:09 mnoqy: well i'd prefer a castle 05:32:14 well yes, but i'm sufficiently irritated at technology that you should do this 05:32:15 when he wakes up you can send it to him and then he'll give you your account 05:32:16 what if it's a space ship 05:32:18 i dunno you could do it tomorrow 05:32:19 problem slvoed 05:32:20 or a space castle 05:32:23 underhanded c contest idea: write a keylogger that also leaks the data to a server of your own 05:32:39 fun because anyone reading the code will expect it to do malicious things 05:32:40 "under two hands" 05:32:53 crystal castles? 05:33:02 crystal isnt very bouncy ime 05:33:24 does Quechua count as the 'Peruvian' language? 05:33:25 mnoqy: um green crystal is 05:33:31 elliott: thats bad 05:33:37 not as bad as you imo 05:33:40 umMMMMMMMMMMMMM 05:34:25 imo mnoqy is good 05:34:30 thank you shachaf 05:34:56 mnoqy: hey btw are you coming to "bayhac 2013" 05:35:00 unfortunately shachaf is wrong 05:35:05 shachaf: whats that 05:35:10 bay area haskell hackathon 05:39:09 i dont live there 05:39:10 Bike: something dangerous is happening 05:39:13 im becoming... 05:39:14 the most tired 05:39:19 better stay up 05:39:26 -sleep doctor 05:39:31 elliott: you will never be the most tired 05:39:45 heLp nowim tired too 05:39:52 mnoqy: WAKE UP 05:39:58 i still have work to do!! 05:39:59 did you see the super mega update 05:40:02 yeah 05:40:21 mnoqy: its ok you can watch me sleep 05:40:27 i also really want to draw stuff maybe i'll do another self portrait i've been drawiing other stuff but not those lately 05:40:46 how about a self portrait of fungot 05:40:47 elliott: it seems like they'd still be feasible in non-copying gcs though. i got it 05:41:41 mnoqy: can i see the other stuff plez\\ 05:41:51 hMMM maybe 05:42:14 mnoqy: when are you coming to san francisco btw 05:42:24 possibly:never 05:46:06 whwhats the big deal with sanfransicsso anyway 05:46:36 ask kmc 05:48:51 what 06:13:40 -!- nooga has joined. 06:19:41 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:43:59 -!- zzo38 has joined. 07:04:18 ℥ 07:09:23 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: tire). 07:43:48 -!- kmc has set topic: We decide what goes inside your head | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 07:52:01 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:16:34 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Here comes the sun). 08:20:34 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 08:25:58 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:35:30 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:40:05 -!- ThatOtherPerson_ has joined. 08:40:11 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 08:40:42 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Disconnected by services). 08:40:47 -!- ThatOtherPerson_ has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 08:52:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 08:54:51 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 09:07:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:13:12 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:24:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:35:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:36:48 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:52:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:54:55 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Page closed). 09:59:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:17:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:18:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_surface_topography 10:18:21 i like how this is basically a chart of how much the sea deviates from sea level 10:23:31 -!- SDr has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:25:54 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:29:03 heh 10:32:08 -!- myndzi has joined. 10:32:30 oerjan: This looks like vandalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creole&diff=552828350&oldid=551866575 10:36:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:40:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:04:24 -!- carado has joined. 11:39:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:54:20 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 11:57:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:03:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 12:17:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:25:20 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 12:26:58 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 12:27:14 -!- gianluca_ has joined. 12:27:57 -!- gianluca_ has quit (Client Quit). 12:28:50 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:30:12 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:52:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:01:26 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:08:44 -!- boily has joined. 13:11:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:21:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:25:04 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 13:40:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:40:59 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 13:55:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:02:38 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:03:30 Quiet in here today. 14:09:20 there must be some silent spectres floating around. 14:11:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:22:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:27:07 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:31:09 -!- myndzi has joined. 14:39:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:47:02 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 14:48:48 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:50:30 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:59:11 -!- boily has joined. 15:05:21 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 15:06:02 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 15:06:02 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 15:06:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:13:49 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 15:15:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 15:19:40 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:21:31 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:22:11 One of my friends got a lithops, also known as a living stone. 15:22:11 Taneb: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. 15:22:15 She called it Ken 15:30:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:32:21 Florida Man Tells Cops He's Not Hurting Anyone As He Huffs Ultra Duster At Car Wash 15:41:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:45:06 @ping 15:45:06 pong 15:48:17 Taneb: I wanna try your game 15:48:55 (nt now though but if I hadn't asked I would've forgot) 15:49:00 ThatOtherPerson: the gh-page isn't working 15:49:53 http://t-and-t.github.io/LD26/index.html 15:49:56 THat works 15:51:48 Koen_: the whole game is kinda buggy 15:54:28 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:59:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:05:54 I'm gonna watch Doctor Who now 16:05:57 Then maybe Vicious 16:06:30 Antimatter apples: they're purple. 16:06:35 (Source: http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/article6614350.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/gravitaatio+antigravitaatio.jpg ) 16:07:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:10:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:11:34 -!- Lymia has joined. 16:27:36 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:29:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:35:47 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 16:40:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:52:01 Bah 16:52:07 Vicious didn't record 17:00:09 -!- augur has joined. 17:01:28 Florida Man Tells Cops He's Not Hurting Anyone As He Huffs Ultra Duster At Car Wash // Florida Man is the best superhero, no? :) 17:01:59 ‘He [this news report's Florida Man] also said to officers, “Don’t cut my penis off,” then changed his mind and said, “Cut my penis off,” according to the report.’ 17:10:37 One wonders. 17:12:00 pikhq: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan 17:24:01 -!- constant has changed nick to trout. 17:27:12 -!- conehead has joined. 17:27:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:28:37 i like how the first hit for spaceshiptwo on the google news search is CBBC 17:28:46 (at least for me) 17:29:13 not for me, maybe it just decided you like cbbc 17:32:22 deeply insulted 17:34:37 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:36:00 -!- Lymia has joined. 17:36:00 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 17:36:01 -!- Lymia has joined. 17:38:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:44:44 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:46:52 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:46:58 -!- augur has joined. 17:48:53 I wish there was a canonical, non-customized way to search Google, just so that one could figure out the pre-customization ranking of things they care about. 17:49:29 Google doesn't really want people optimizing to that though. 17:50:58 is no-cookies not good enough? 17:51:32 kmc: pretty sure your location and IP and the like have an effect too 17:51:45 also language and stuff 17:52:34 language has very weird effects, even if you're always searching for stuff in English. 17:53:43 i wonder if browser ever has an effect 17:53:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:05:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:11:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:12:53 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:13:06 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:13:14 Greetings 18:13:31 Salutations 18:14:14 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 18:14:32 why does the internet hate me 18:15:08 it does? 18:15:22 Maybe it's because you're not using IPv6 18:15:29 although then the it surely hates me too 18:15:54 s/then the/then 18:16:10 Phantom___Hoover: it's playing hard to get 18:16:15 -!- Phantom___Hoover has changed nick to Phantom_Hoover. 18:16:20 the Internet is magnanimous and hates all equally. 18:16:30 (it's just a little bit more apparent for some.) 18:18:28 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:18:50 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:18:55 Phantom__Hoover: the internet hates Taneb also 18:20:58 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:21:20 the Internet hates me too, in its own soul-crushing way. I have to swap between dhcpcd and dhclient each time I try to connect to a wireless router. 18:21:29 or, sometimes, the router gets stolen. 18:22:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:23:53 -!- augur has joined. 18:24:42 oh nice, there is a stack exchange for mathematics 18:24:56 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:25:06 there is also mathoverflow.net 18:25:07 I'm installing Windows XP in a virtual machine. "Windows XP Professional also supports DVD-RAM drives." 18:25:13 for research-level stuff 18:25:50 wait what's the difference between exchange and overflow 18:26:26 elliott: interesting 18:26:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:26:54 Gregor: has the indoctrination started yet? "the most secure operating system" 18:27:04 Phantom__Hoover: mathoverflow is an independent site that runs on an old version of the stack overflow software 18:27:14 http://math.stackexchange.com/ is part of the actual stackexchange network thing 18:27:27 "with the most amazing and safe web browser: internet explorer 6" 18:27:56 "Sorry, your request could not be completed because it looked suspicious. If you meant to perform an action on Mathematics Stack Exchange, please return to the previous page and try again. " 18:28:10 Why does my request look suspicious :(? 18:29:00 oh it did work now 18:29:19 How does one gain arm-muscles 18:29:29 This is an important question 18:29:42 with dumbbells? 18:29:54 Taneb: Picking fights with random people on the street. 18:30:14 throwing dumbbells on random people on the street. 18:30:30 Why do I have 101 reputation right after logging in? 18:30:36 Oh right, bonus thingy 18:30:39 Gregor: but if I do that and elliott decides to go outside the universe could end 18:31:02 Oh please, like elliott would go outside. 18:31:22 Taneb's shitty connection is a conspiracy to get him outside 18:31:32 Also I tried picking a fight with someone in a maths classroom but we didn't know what to do next 18:31:52 It seems I am neither a lover nor a fighter, and for the same reason 18:32:04 i have some experience in maths classroom antics 18:33:23 So now I have 101 reputation on a website about mathematics whereas I don't know a lot about mathematics at all 18:33:28 I'd like to though 18:33:37 That's a bit weird 18:34:28 -!- Bike has joined. 18:35:00 AnotherTest, so that'll include spacetime presumably 18:35:24 Phantom__Hoover: indeed! 18:36:12 my heart's just not in it 18:36:24 i don't even remember what you were on about 18:37:16 so i just got some socks with "thermocool duoregulation" 18:37:29 what's the word for when you think you're living in a douglas adams novel 18:37:48 help 18:39:01 help 18:39:18 help 18:39:19 they're good socks though 18:44:23 "with the most amazing and safe web browser: internet explorer 6" // It just told me that it includes "the latest and most secure version of Internet Explorer to date" 18:44:49 Which was certainly true, I suppose. But that's like saying "this is the safest way of shooting yourself in the foot" 18:52:26 Are you sure the most secure isn't Lynx or something like that? Or something with a VM for each file? 18:53:01 does internet explorer open a VM for each file 18:53:30 zzo38: is Lynx a version of Internet Explorer 18:55:18 Microsoft Bob 18:55:31 they had to say "amazing" because the word "awesome" hadn't been invented yet 18:56:45 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:57:10 @messages? 18:57:10 Sorry, no messages today. 18:57:14 I mean the most secure and safe web browser program 18:57:43 Bike: Maybe some versions does; I don't know. Version 6 isn't the newest version anyways. 18:57:58 web browser programs are the things you program with HTML, right? 18:58:38 Right 18:58:48 Well, Mozilla based browsers are most commonly programmed with XUL, although HTML can be used too 19:03:05 -!- Bike has set topic: a hypothetical anarcho-capitalist world of haskell programmers | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 19:03:31 elliott: ☝ 19:03:38 help 19:03:47 kmc: i think Bike is cyberbullying me 19:04:10 -!- elliott has set topic: a hypothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 19:04:19 Bike: ur true motivations reveeled 19:04:40 elliott: http://25.media.tumblr.com/b619a71641ffec918968cb3eb11e97f0/tumblr_mkuideonL71qzeo2zo1_400.jpg 19:05:00 -!- ThatOtherPerson has set topic: a hypothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support trikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 19:05:04 "DVD-RAM" should be a special kind of secure (e.g. write-only) memory required by DVD copy protection 19:06:03 hmm, make that write-only *and* read-only to prevent you from either corrupting or extracting the data 19:07:02 bike anarchists 19:07:29 are commonly encountered in the wild 19:07:35 write-only read-only... 19:08:12 * Bike shouts about collectivization, attempts to throw a molotov at kmc, is stymied by only having one arm 19:08:59 hmm, make that write-only *and* read-only to prevent you from either corrupting or extracting the data // Arguably... ARGUABLY... "write-only" means +w-rx, not just -rx, and "read-only" means +r, not +r-wx 19:09:04 Err 19:09:09 *means +r-wx, not -wx 19:09:22 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:09:56 Bike: my mental image of a bike with an arm is just so perfect 19:10:04 imo it's better than birds with arms 19:10:15 * boily thinks of trogdor. 19:11:07 it's a good and accurate image 19:12:09 Gregor: mmyeah... think of the intersection between read-only and write-only or so 19:12:43 (oh, and I doubt this has executable bits ... otoh, executable but unreadable and unwritable memory almost makes sense) 19:12:53 The bitwise and. 19:16:47 or take read-only = unwritable and write-only = unreadable perhaps? except that unreadable includes all permissions except read, while write-only only includes write 19:18:07 * ThatOtherPerson defiantly rides past Bike on a tricycle 19:18:48 * olsner defiantly waves *two* arms at Bike 19:18:49 * Bike sticks some rebar between ThatOtherPerson's tricycle's spokes 19:19:50 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:22:50 bikewise and 19:25:31 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:27:21 Anyone please: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/377520/is-the-knuth-arrowup-notation-defined-for-non-natural-exponents? 19:27:57 well it's not that urgent 19:28:06 but if someone here happens to know more about it 19:28:06 up arrows are equivalent to hyper and a bit aren't they 19:28:23 Bike: as far as I know (but I don't know a lot) yes 19:28:25 Analogous to hyper. 19:28:46 The typical treatment of it isn't defined for non-naturals. 19:28:53 i'm not sure you can seriously generalize hyper past naturals 19:29:04 I'm not entirely sure if one could. 19:29:07 i mean look at the problems with even tetration on non-naturals 19:29:11 I just know it generally isn't. :) 19:29:22 i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration#Extension_to_real_heights 19:30:55 -!- mroman has joined. 19:31:34 might be some interesting math in there though, like a generalized euler formula or w/e 19:32:03 Does a morphism map between categories? 19:32:16 between objects in a category 19:32:27 But inside the same category? 19:32:39 so f : A -> B means, that B is still in the same category? 19:32:52 far as i know 19:32:54 an object of that category 19:33:14 whereas a functor assigns to an object in Category A an object in Category B? 19:33:48 yeah 19:33:54 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graph+random+pokemon+curve I've heard of silly features but dang. 19:34:10 Then what sense does it make to subscript id? 19:34:19 i.e f * g = id_b 19:34:30 mroman: a functor doesn't just do that 19:34:36 because morphisms are between individual objects 19:34:53 there can be a different (identity) morphism X -> X from Y -> Y, for X and Y in the same category 19:34:55 a functor maps objects in C to objects in D and also morphisms (A ->C B) to morphisms (F(A) ->D F(B)) 19:34:55 So every object has an identity morphism? 19:35:04 elliott: I know. 19:35:11 pikhq: that's fantastic. 19:35:21 but id_B is the identity morphism of an Object called B? 19:35:33 but still in the same category? 19:35:41 is what in the same category 19:35:50 Bike: If you look up $POKEMON-like curve it'll even hand you the parametric equations. 19:36:04 pikhq: i like that they're imperfect 19:36:38 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cannabis+curve 19:36:52 Ok. 19:36:55 I see. 19:37:49 AnotherTest: the problem with defining extensions like that is that you generally want them to "fit" what you've already got well, which is not always trivial (c.f. gamma function) 19:38:15 (in which there are infinitely many possible extensions but luckily only one that fits some useful properties, so we use that one) 19:38:35 Bike: so maybe we can be lucky here too? 19:38:48 The notation is really confusing :) 19:38:51 sure, but you have to work on it 19:38:59 and hyper operations are rather obscure 19:39:07 and the situation already seems a tad hopeless for tetration 19:39:21 Bike: I'm afraid my mathematics skill are not good enough to work on this (which is also why I'm asking) 19:39:31 *skills 19:39:41 well i don't know much about it either, i'm just saying not many mathematicians have bothered with hyper operations 19:40:15 they're generally used for getting /really/ big numbers, like for knuth's combinatorics and graham's (which is also pretty combinatoric), so they might not bother investigating the properties too much 19:40:23 then again knuth's written plenty on the related W function so i dunno. 19:41:03 (related -> apparently tetration on infinities uses it, reasonably enough) 19:42:26 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:45:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:46:51 well fine, jerk 19:48:27 The up-yours notation 19:57:22 -!- elliott_ has joined. 19:57:22 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 19:57:22 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to 18WADELPL. 19:57:22 -!- elliott_ has joined. 19:57:22 -!- elliott_ has quit (Client Quit). 19:57:22 -!- 18WADELPL has changed nick to elliott. 20:00:41 «dix-huit wadelle-p-elle»? 20:06:00 what 20:07:00 -!- Bike has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:07:32 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:07:42 -!- Bike has joined. 20:10:06 kmc: trying to understand elliott's sudden identity crisis through French phonotactics. 20:22:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:26:36 In linear logic, is accepting X the dual of providing X? 20:30:41 any robozzle experts here? 20:31:11 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:33:14 -!- augur has joined. 20:34:13 oerjan: This looks like vandalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creole&diff=552828350&oldid=551866575 <-- already reverted 20:34:51 * oerjan skips the rest of the logs 20:34:57 why is shachaf reporting wikipedia vandalism to oerjan... 20:35:12 elliott: heck if i know 20:35:41 presumably he is not sure if pigeon is a proper linguistic term 20:37:19 somehow I doubt he actually thought your expertise was required :P 20:38:28 well i _am_ able to tell him that pidgin is the appropriate term hth 20:40:47 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:41:20 From ##elsewhere, php_iconv_string: http://sprunge.us/ZgZV?c 20:43:31 This is why PHP is one of the safest languages 20:45:45 for safety. 20:46:27 Sadly, it doesn't write out of bounds; it just returns an PHP_ICONV_ERR_UNKNOWN if it doesn't fit. But still. "For safety." 20:46:52 Unicode has one ligature character that decomposes into 23 characters 20:47:01 although my attempts to get it to decompose with NFKD normalization failed 20:47:04 good ligature 20:47:07 what is it 20:47:20 U+FDFD 'ARABIC LIGATURE BISMILLAH AR-RAHMAN AR-RAHEEM' 20:47:22 Is it a ligature that says "Unicode rules"? 20:47:23 Aw. 20:47:25 close 20:47:29 if by "unicode" you mean "allah" 20:47:56 ﷽ ⇒ بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم 20:48:33 Mae enw Duw y trugarog, yr Tosturiol 20:50:29 at least they used sizeof(int) instead of hardcoding the incorrect constant 4 20:51:00 -!- Bike_ has joined. 20:51:23 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:55:45 you all saw http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html right? 20:55:57 they check sizeof(char) just in case 20:56:51 sizeof(char) :( 20:57:04 kmc: but what if my int is greater than INT_MAX 20:57:07 what iiiifffffffff 20:57:11 if (sizeof(char) > 1) die("there is no god") 20:57:30 I like my chars like I like my women. only one. 20:57:30 Hey, there's a perfectly valid use of sizeof(char). It lets you do a value of type size_t without size_t being defined. :P 20:58:07 that is an amazing page kmc 20:58:19 and geez. using floats 20:58:32 "they have a bigger range!" 20:58:38 I mean, at least arguably doubles would be big enough that they have enough precision for the calculation (but oh gosh why not just use uint64_t ... ) 20:59:03 maybe because uint64_t isn't C89 20:59:35 Yeah, well, fuck Visual C++. 20:59:37 ummmmm unsigned long long? I guess in theory that could be the same size as unsigned int 21:00:01 stack_node stack[32], *top = stack; /* 32 is enough for 32bit CPU */ 21:00:04 Fiora: "long long" isn't C89. :) 21:00:33 really? @_@ oh geez 21:01:02 unsigned long long long long long x; // should be long enough 21:01:15 I have once seen a compiler that didn't have any 64-bit type 21:01:20 foo.c:4:20: error: ‘long long long’ is too long for GCC 21:01:28 something like gcc 2.8 for symbian 21:01:28 Basically the only reason C89 lives is that Microsoft is running IE6 on its compiler. 21:01:41 unsigned fix long 21:01:43 too_long_for_gcc.avi 21:01:53 request entity too large 21:03:22 I remember reading a thing about how integrating __int128 into Cish features wouldn't work because it'd change uintmax_t 21:03:32 thus breaking backwards compatibility, I think 21:03:47 I still think a short long int should be just a regular int, and in general each long would double the size and each short halve it. (Not sure about fractional bits.) 21:04:32 Fiora: Specifically, it'd break ABI. 21:04:32 (And why isn't "short short i" "too short for GCC"?) 21:05:34 gcc_short_shorts.avi 21:05:53 pikhq: ahhhhh 21:06:07 fizzie: short short short short short short short short short int 21:06:18 maybe you can implement arithmetic coders that way. like. with 1/16th of a bit 21:06:24 <.< >.> 21:07:13 Wouldn't quite work for arithmetic coding. 21:07:26 (sorry, that was a bad joke -_-) 21:08:05 Well. short^64 int code[SIZE_T_MAX]; would work. Ish. :P 21:08:27 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 21:08:28 that's... that's so silly XD 21:08:30 Fiora: i like the joke 21:08:41 why doesn't C have a power-type operator? should be in C11, imo 21:09:07 Bike: Preprocessor. Duh. 21:09:16 oh gosh now I'm imagining tetrated operators 21:09:20 #define SHORT_64 SHORT_32 SHORT_32 21:10:03 that's "not" "elegant", "pikhq" 21:10:16 long^^LONG_MAX universe; 21:10:35 -!- mnoqy has joined. 21:10:36 fun fact if iou define a realli big arrai gcc has an internal error 21:10:41 other fun fact i just broke mi i kei 21:10:54 while(1) quantum_compute_step( &universe ); 21:11:24 how many bits would that even be 21:11:29 at least 7 21:11:48 um. I guess that would be 2^^(2^32) 21:11:56 elliott: did you actually break your y key 21:11:57 or 2^2^2^2 [... 2^32 times] 21:12:07 here are some spare y's you can copy paste yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 21:12:17 kmc: ies 21:12:21 Fiora: tetration~ 21:12:23 or I guess. doubling the number of binary digits 2^32 times...? 21:12:32 oh no.... how long will elliott have a broken keyboard this time 21:12:44 i knew someone would sai that 21:12:55 so um, log(universe) ~= 2^(2^32)? 21:12:55 what was broken last time and how long did it last 21:13:01 mi number keis 21:13:03 several months 21:13:09 i would sai like 21:13:11 ... so um.... log(log(universe)) == 2^32 21:13:13 then it got better (praise jesus)? 21:13:14 one thousand and twenti four 21:13:16 that's a big universe 21:13:19 Fiora: an approximation worthy of our greatest physicists 21:13:24 kmc: no i broke the laptop completeli 21:13:27 so it had to be repaired 21:13:27 -_- 21:13:28 elliott: allways spelling out numbers is a p. good affectation 21:13:35 okay this is really silly an ddumb 21:13:39 kmc: ies but 21:13:42 kmc: i was coding 21:13:52 i had to use an on screen keiboard to tipe numeric literals 21:13:52 dude are you gonna keep up the i's? rad 21:14:12 it feels like an accent i can't get rid of 21:14:24 hexhamish 21:14:36 did you write a header file with useful number macros and use spelled out numbers in all your code? 21:14:45 no i am not cool enough for that 21:14:51 int one = 1; int five = (one << (one << one)) | one; 21:14:57 kmc: i did tings like that 21:15:02 iirc mi 1 kei worked maibe? 21:15:08 so i said like 21:15:09 1+1+1+1 21:15:20 or maibe i just copied one 1 and then repeated it 21:15:26 elliott: Wanna bet GCC records array sizes with ints? :P 21:15:40 wanna bet i'll go insane with no i kei soon 21:15:44 #define one +1 21:15:55 then one one one one would be 4 21:15:59 kmc: is that like, the shortest way to write out 5 with nothing but 1s? 21:16:01 unary is the future 21:16:30 Fiora: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants is clearly relevant 21:16:51 that's... that's amazing 21:16:56 http://blog.pnuts.tk/2013/04/plaidctf-pyjail-story-of-pythons-escape.html has some of that going on 21:17:04 Fiora: i doubt it's shortest 21:17:29 i was just following binary encoding, recursively 21:17:40 I can't think of how to do it with 3 1s >_< 21:17:52 `run python -c 'print ~(~(~(~(({}<[])<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[]))<<({}<[])' 21:17:57 42 21:18:11 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 21:18:47 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 21:18:47 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 21:18:51 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 21:19:49 it's a pretty nice «kolmogorov complexity ín the «'"real"'» "«'world»"'» thing i think 21:20:24 yeah 21:20:40 rather nicer than "well, it sorta fits log, kinda" 21:20:56 though the language you get in that ctf might not be turing complete 21:21:07 but I think it is because they can eval() an arbitrary number of times? dunno 21:21:12 didn't pay super close attention 21:21:24 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:21:43 kmc: do iou know anithing about keiboards 21:21:49 some things 21:22:39 "when possible, use a keyboard where the keys work" 21:22:44 kmc: as well as mi i kei, shift-6 and shift-7 also don't do anithing 21:22:46 what does this mean 21:22:56 also shift-u 21:22:59 shift-T works 21:23:03 but shift and 6 and 7 work by themselves? 21:23:03 as does shift-G 21:23:09 but not shift-h or shift-j 21:23:11 kmc: es 21:23:11 ies 21:23:18 onli broken unshifted kei is i 21:23:33 this is to do with uhh like 21:23:37 the thingies thei use right 21:23:44 everything is broken with shift? 21:23:48 have you like, cleaned it 21:24:00 elliott: that's pretty weird, shouldn't happen with just a physical fault in the key matrix I guess 21:24:09 did you try rebooting your keyboard (seriously) 21:24:42 like what, unplugging it? 21:24:46 or just rebooting computer 21:24:55 Bike: p sure it's not dirti 21:25:25 what happens if you stare at your keyboard really hard? 21:25:26 shift-n doesn't work either 21:25:29 or shift-m 21:26:17 kmc: um update 21:26:25 i managed to tipe an i incidentalli 21:26:34 but then pressing it again like did nothing for a short delai and then did like 21:26:37 iiiiiiiii 21:26:37 as if i held it down 21:26:39 and then stopped 21:26:42 and now it's not working again 21:28:00 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:28:00 alos this started when i like 21:28:05 pressed the i kei a lot 21:28:11 (i was plaiing a game) 21:28:18 and it decided it was overworked and gave up i guess? 21:30:18 maybe you actually just broke the key (though the followup symptoms are a bit weird I guess) 21:30:30 the phisical kei seems to press ok 21:30:37 maibe slightli mushier than the other keis? 21:30:46 well, the switch under it 21:31:34 well i could take the kei off but i am scared because it is rather firml on 21:31:37 btw it is scissor-switch 21:31:42 kmc: (how do i reboot a keiboard) 21:32:08 unplug then replug? 21:32:31 -!- Bike_ has joined. 21:32:37 yeah plucg and unpulg 21:33:01 there's some reset sequence you can send the keyboard too, but I think something (what?) usually does that automatically after replugging 21:33:37 -!- DH____ has joined. 21:33:40 (might be different with new-fangled things like USB) 21:33:54 ok thanks 21:33:58 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:34:40 -!- kmc has set topic: avoiding the penultimate letter of the English alphabet in solidariti with elliott | a hipothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support trikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 21:34:44 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:35:06 -!- boily has changed nick to boili. 21:35:11 too bad the urls don't have any is in them 21:35:20 i was thinking that, i would url encode them 21:35:26 *ani 21:35:28 -!- boili has changed nick to boily. 21:35:36 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:35:54 maibe a bot could be set up to kick anione who slips up 21:36:55 not myne. my metasepya ys pure and wouldn't do no harm to anybody. 21:37:12 boily: bo[ij]l[ij], please 21:37:15 take a side 21:37:32 imo elliott should dang fix his kejboard 21:37:43 nope. I'm Canadian, therefore neutral. :D 21:37:46 mnoqy: how!! 21:37:52 good question 21:37:53 imo rebooting it is a pain 21:37:56 because mi wires are a mess 21:38:05 kmc: do iou think rebooting the laptop would do the equivalent reboot 21:38:16 imo trj 21:38:19 prolli 21:38:34 trij it 21:38:46 trij. now that just sounds dutch. 21:38:47 itt we are dutch 21:38:58 -!- Bike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:39:01 elliott: perhaps the dutch got into ijour keijboard in an effort to reform ijou to the digraph ij 21:39:06 ij 21:39:41 hmm, that looks like ÿ 21:40:21 ÿ is supposedly French. it's used in some 2 or 3 random small villages names out there, and that's it. 21:40:47 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0). 21:42:30 -!- Bike has joined. 21:45:34 huh. i'm reading about diaereses now, and 21:45:37 people write "aigüe"? 21:46:08 i never knüe (laugh track) (seriously though, that looks strange) 21:46:25 what language 21:47:36 french 21:47:48 nooodl_: it's aiguë. French has ¨ on ë, ï and the rarer than a working N64 controller after a tournament of mario party, ÿ. 21:48:28 "In the ongoing French spelling reform of 1990, this was moved to the u (aigüe, cigüe), though the earlier orthography continues to be widely used." 21:48:29 maybe some sillyman wrote it on the wrong letter 21:49:05 the reform doesn't exist. it's a myth. 21:50:02 a mith like quebec 21:50:25 ah no. Québec simply doesn't exist. I'm not even in it right now! 21:50:37 Somewhere, I have read that the "par" operator in linear logic means that you can have both but you cannot use them together. I think I can understand how that works. 21:53:03 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:54:53 -!- Bike has joined. 21:58:41 back to my scheduled nocturnal non-existence. 21:58:44 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 22:00:21 -!- zzo38 has left. 22:11:40 oerjan: Of course I know. 22:12:11 oerjan: Last time I linked to a page about the etymology of Nikolay or something, and you noticed it was vandalism and reverted it. 22:12:18 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 22:12:28 Since I don't edit Wikipedia, and I noticed moer vandalism, I thought maybe you could do the same thing. 22:19:24 wow i'm gonna use ij more 22:19:36 good digraph 22:20:26 pretty sure nobody types ij as ij anywhere 22:20:38 ij that so? 22:20:45 i've heard rumors that they do in the darkness of the nether-lands 22:20:53 the low countries 22:21:14 you could map ijour ij key to ij 22:21:23 maybe it's like ffi 22:21:54 -!- rapido has joined. 22:22:23 really why do unicode ligatures exist urgh 22:23:11 often for reasons of round-trip compat. 22:23:23 mmm 22:23:24 which is a dumb goal but without it we might not have unicode at all........... 22:23:38 i guess 22:23:46 how do you catch a unique code 22:23:47 i can somehow see why, for example, fi exists, but 22:23:59 does anyone but me even write ij as something that isn't just ij 22:24:09 it isn't about what people do 22:24:12 it's about what charsets do 22:24:20 if you're designing a programming language it's nice to have a data type which means "sequence of Unicode codepoints" and deal with different byte-encodings only at the IO level 22:24:36 Ruby lacks this property, the Ruby string type is a byte string + metadata about the encoding, and it's nasty 22:24:53 elliott: well that was poorly worded from me, but, 22:25:05 ij looks exactly like ij *everywhere* 22:25:21 it's like having a separate unicode codepoint for.. "ou" or "th" or whatever in english 22:25:30 what was the rationale for doing that in ruby? 22:25:33 or þ? 22:26:09 oh wait i forgot about 22:26:10 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Rijks_museum_logo.png 22:26:12 this stuff 22:26:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 22:27:05 fiora? 22:27:08 kmc: Are you talking about Ruby 1.8 or 1.9? 22:27:15 (I gues 2.0 is out too by now.) 22:27:28 shachaf: i'm... not sure. i don't know ruby, just hear people complaining about this 22:27:32 Anyway Unicode support is much better in modern Ruby than it used to be. 22:27:46 anyone care to discuss SPREAD: a new retroactive programming language? 22:28:01 like a spread of marmite i hope 22:28:22 more like 'spread the word' 22:28:52 It's a lot like Python 3, except people actually use Ruby 1.9. 22:28:55 social dynamics? 22:29:07 something something something tetration? 22:29:53 Or maybe I just misunderstood what you meant. I don't think ByteString + metadata is necessarily so bad, as long as "ábc".length == 3 etc. 22:30:13 Bike: spread has computational traces that are first class objects and can be manipulated by other computations 22:30:21 wow, i have no idea what that means 22:31:07 Bike: a trace is a list of (intermediate) computational steps 22:31:10 shachaf: if i took a job in Mountain View would it erase all my urbanist cred :( 22:31:20 i would live in SF and commute by cal"the worst train"train 22:31:21 like a bunch of continuations? 22:31:26 or a vector of states i guess 22:31:41 every value carries its trace that lead to itself 22:31:54 kmc: if it was at a huge company you could get a "huge company shuttle" 22:31:59 you can query and destruct such trace at runtime 22:32:02 i know people who do that 22:32:11 and re-use bits of the trace in other computations 22:32:53 shachaf: i think i'm opposed to those 22:33:04 google should help SF build better transit instead of running a silly private bus system for rich people only 22:33:31 you can roll back to certain 'key' points in a trace, 'modify' a certain parameter and go from there 22:33:51 sounds like continuations 22:33:59 i once wrote a debugger-interpreter that recorded the whole history of states, and would let you navigate back and explore different traces 22:34:05 and write automated explorations of this trace 22:34:24 was it useful? 22:34:31 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 22:34:41 it was a class project thing and for a toy language 22:34:43 kmc: that would be nice but i think "should" is going a little far 22:34:48 so i never built it to the point where it was 'useful' 22:35:24 where is your mountain view job going to be 22:35:39 matasano is in MV, i might apply there 22:36:01 Ah. 22:36:11 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 22:36:24 does that mean iou're going to make me feel even worse about not knowing cripto 22:36:25 do you have 'mountain view advice' 22:36:27 imo iou suck 22:36:31 maibe 22:36:43 otoh most of the cripto i know is from their cripto puzzles 22:36:49 which u can do 22:36:57 no i can't, it involves not being lazi 22:37:03 tri amphetamines 22:37:18 Bike: not really continuations. continuations only serialise the current state, not the whole history that led to that state 22:37:40 ok, a list of continuations 22:37:46 reversible continuations would be neat 22:37:48 possibly i've been doing too much kernel 22:37:54 where you have a tree of continuations 22:37:59 like, iou can co back in time and also start running backwards 22:37:59 what kind of 'mountain view advice' 22:38:02 kmc: that's exactly it 22:38:05 shachaf: any tipe 22:38:14 rapido: veri cool idea 22:38:28 kmc: *ani 22:38:35 :'( 22:38:42 i think lipograms are more fun if one tries to avoid the letter while using actual words 22:38:57 kmc: of course, making it efficient is the hard part! 22:39:11 efficient esolangs, what you say 22:39:23 usualli the hard part 22:39:31 hard is fun! 22:39:43 wait i fucked up 22:39:51 you've been to mountain view before right 22:39:52 god it's been forever since i wrote in lipograms 22:40:06 oh yes you ate ramen at maru ichi 22:40:13 ies 22:40:17 were iou there 22:40:20 don't think so 22:40:32 anyway, i've pretty much finished the design of the spread language. see: http://oercode.blogspot.nl/2013/04/what-kind-of-programming-language-is.html 22:40:35 it was me and cathy and mjrosenb and gwillen 22:40:50 spread is also not turing-complete, but i'm not sure 22:41:08 no, but you asked me about ramen places in sf or something 22:41:13 those crypto challenges looked interesting until I realized it would require some sort of action on my part 22:42:04 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 22:42:32 oh well 22:44:23 i'm still contemplating a powerful (prolog like) unification algorithm 22:44:28 all's well that ends well 22:45:37 which also may unify over traces. This will allow you to go back in time and unify that past with the present ;) 22:45:40 kmc: iou worked at ipwn?? (blame shachaf) 22:45:49 @quote blame.shachaf 22:45:49 cmccann says: some people blame themselves, some people blame the language, but the people who really know what they're doing blame shachaf. 22:46:03 shachaf: it's your fault :< 22:46:06 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:46:16 Fiora: Hey! 22:46:23 What did I do this time, huh? 22:47:00 the bot told me to blame you! 22:47:03 elliott: if bi 'worked at' iou mean 'saw them once in person, did some remote work, never got paid, and now the compani doesn't exist because their plan was ridiculous' 22:47:11 then ies 22:47:20 kmc: i onli asked because haskell/10.08.04:00:53:22 maybe you can convince iPwn Studios (my employer) that there's a big Maemo games market 22:47:31 lol welp 22:47:32 i hear ipwn actualli still exists somehow 22:47:35 help 22:47:40 and thei're just like on hiatus or something?? 22:47:55 are thei secretli a front for the CIA to fund programming languages research 22:48:08 that sounds plausible 22:48:39 imo what's with people not paing other people 22:49:30 it's too bad that ipwn was held up as an example of haskell being 'useful' and now thei have failed in the most predictable / stereotipical wai 22:52:34 it demonstrates mi usual pt about haskell i think 22:52:45 but for most ppl it demonstrates 'haskell sux' 22:52:59 is kmc swapping y's for i's? 22:53:19 see topic 22:53:36 i broke mi i kei 22:53:38 okai, I'll tri doing that too! 22:53:51 -!- rapido has quit (Quit: rapido). 22:54:06 can we avoid the antepenultimate letter too 22:54:11 that's a much better word imo 22:54:16 no 22:54:28 ... antepenultimate? 22:54:29 iou can pri mi x from mi cold dead bodi 22:54:35 ah 22:54:38 third last 22:54:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:55:07 imo ante- is a pretty good prefix 22:55:20 s/retty/./ 22:55:47 There was silence supreme! Not a shriek, not a scream, / Scarcely even a howl or a groan, / As the man they call’d “Ho!” told his story of woe / In an antediluvian tone. 22:55:54 Ugh. 22:56:18 "call’d"? 22:56:30 That's what I get for copying it from some random irreputable Internet source. 22:56:38 boring. boring 22:57:20 Bike: imo would you stop being so self-centered, talk about someone else for once, hth 22:57:42 burn 22:58:17 i probabli have to update mi linkedin now :( :( 22:58:21 oh no 22:58:23 should i do that 22:58:30 do people use linkedin 22:58:40 sometimes recruiters email me on linkedin 22:58:45 "i don't know how they find me" 22:58:52 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 22:59:10 kmc: i should update mi linkedin 22:59:12 the joke is, 22:59:45 i thought linkedin was something people get spammed with and no people used 22:59:51 Hey, my → and End keys don't work. 22:59:54 Can y'all avoid them too? 23:00:09 perhaps i should write an irssi plugin to help with lipograms. 23:01:13 shachaf: you can just write those as "->" or three letters "End" instead 23:01:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:01:40 tholsner 23:01:55 Bike: basicalli but people mai look me up and it should at least have up to date information 23:02:48 oh boy kmc "is gonna do it isn't he" 23:02:56 do what 23:03:20 move to sf and/or something else 23:03:28 kmc: please visit hexham, goddamn 23:03:36 while iou're still free and jobless 23:03:45 please visit finland? hth 23:04:10 visit birmingham 23:04:19 new up and coming centre of esolang research and development 23:04:23 i did visit finland 23:04:26 but i should go back 23:04:29 yes well visit it again 23:04:37 it's surely better than hexham 23:04:42 also elliott should visit america?? 23:04:50 i wasn't there veri long and i spent much of the time fighting with a friend over relationship drama :'( 23:04:59 why would elliott visit america 23:05:02 oh god dammit. 23:05:06 it was sad 23:05:10 i swear i'll get this right at some point. 23:05:24 Bike: want a keyboard layout to help 23:05:39 it was finland, of course it was sad 23:06:04 no finland was happi 23:06:10 friend /me was sad 23:06:40 shachaf: how will i ever get a job in sf if i cant juggle chainsaws or wristle alegators 23:06:58 wristle? Aren't you taking it a bit far now? 23:07:02 mebbe 23:07:42 imo most jobs in sf don't require that 23:08:17 you just have to juggle cats and wrıstle bears 23:08:29 i was once perusing copis of the caltech student newspaper from the nineties and found that mani were hard to read due to orthographic fads such as this i-dropping we find ourselves in the midst of 23:08:52 eie-dropping 23:08:56 for real 23:08:58 the letter 't' was banned at one point due to feud with organizations called 'The Big T' and "the little t" 23:09:15 elliott: Is your shift key also broken? 23:09:33 hey kmc is Girls a good american sitcom 23:09:39 Apt Guy just recommended it to me 23:10:02 don't they call him Flat Guy in .uk 23:10:52 no 23:10:57 juggling cats seems harder than juggling chainsaws 23:11:04 it is 23:11:13 Phantom__Hoover: it's good although calling it a 'sitcom' might be misleading 23:11:42 kmc: When reading Core, pass -dsuppress-all to GHC to make the output much more readable. 23:11:49 it's serialized and has a lot of dramatic / character-building elements that don't have any laughs 23:11:51 further intel from apt guy confirms this 23:12:10 and then thei'l get some amazing joke that onli works because iou know the characters 23:12:37 it's not like say seinfeld where jerri dates a different girl everi week and there's some conflict that is established and resolved in 22 minutes 23:12:48 "any laughs" you might as well give up now hth 23:12:55 :( :( 23:12:57 im failure 23:13:02 "seinfeld for smart people" 23:13:17 @quote 23:13:17 ninegrid says: the "type providers" in conjunction with other language features, like units of measure and `these kinds of identifiers that can be specified as such` give it an edge in turning simi- 23:13:18 structured remote data accessible from cloud services into strongly typed local data with intellisense 23:13:25 `quote 23:13:26 320) I can trust elliott_ to have an opinion on anything and everything Yes. And the best thing is: it is the correct opinion. 23:13:37 it is a bit like seinfeld in that the main characters have it pretti good and are alwais whining about small stuff and lack self awareness 23:13:42 but in a more simpathetic wai 23:13:48 also a lot more nuditi 23:14:01 "seinfeld with more penises" 23:14:06 kmc, fuck elliott and his keys 23:14:08 call me, whoever markets this 23:14:08 this is stupid 23:14:22 his buttons* 23:14:28 -!- Phantom__Hoover has set topic: avoiding the ultimate letter of the English alphabet in solidariti with elliott | a hipothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support trikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 23:14:46 help what did you just change 23:14:46 Bike: edit the shrinkage episode to include extra 5 min footage of jason alexanders flaccid penis 23:14:57 I'LL NEVER TELL 23:15:15 HBO shows tend to have more T&A than dongs ime 23:15:24 but dongs are not unheard-of 23:15:27 oh 23:15:39 sure but "tits" seemed a bit ridiculous 23:15:48 * Bike on the lookout for descenders, now 23:15:58 the descender wars 23:15:59 I vote we just do the opposite of the "þ->y" swap. 23:16:18 imo pikhq gives good advice 23:16:19 imo no 23:16:27 Þou see, "þ" looks a lot like "y" if þou write it out. 23:16:28 imo i imod first 23:16:50 imo i imod first 23:16:58 Also, it lets þou write "mþth". 23:17:02 -!- shachaf has set topic: avoiding the penultimate letter of the English alphabet in solidarity with elliott | a hippothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support unikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 23:17:17 unicyclers unike! 23:17:25 <_> 23:17:42 did you know every tricycle is a bicycle 23:17:46 in three different ways 23:17:48 hth 23:18:54 pfþth 23:19:19 antediluvian may be the best word? 23:19:26 probably not 23:19:32 hmm 23:19:39 is doff the best word 23:20:27 cool, I guessed/remembered the meaning of antediluvian correctli 23:20:43 andidiluvian sounds like a more useful idea though 23:21:00 @wn andi 23:21:01 No match for "andi". 23:21:21 *anti 23:21:44 antependiluvian 23:22:04 Bike stop not making sense or we'll be forced to remove you from irc 23:22:38 :o 23:24:52 if you had to make sense to be on IRC this channel should be empty 23:25:36 Fiora: Is that true? 23:25:44 -!- Bike_ has joined. 23:25:44 ??? 23:25:59 the one about making sense 23:26:07 tricþcle 23:26:16 -!- Bike has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:26:23 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 23:26:28 so kicked, i am 23:26:33 this channel is confusing 23:26:45 but it's probably not your fault... 23:26:57 is that a singular you or plural you 23:27:05 indeed it is certain to be mine 23:28:17 plural... 23:28:57 kmc: should i do a working thing or a university thing or something else 23:29:13 hmmmm 23:29:26 you don't have any uni degree do you 23:29:33 could you finish that in a year or two? 23:29:43 i don't know, could i? 23:29:48 i don't know 23:29:52 you should figure out though 23:29:55 i haven't even started it if that's what you mean 23:29:57 oh 23:29:59 i thought you had 23:30:05 but edwardk did the whole thing in a year so maybe i could 23:30:14 edwardk is an... abnormal person 23:30:20 he did school in twelve months?? 23:30:22 i mean that in a good way :) 23:30:25 is that even allowed 23:30:35 he got more than one degree in twelve months i think 23:30:39 Bike: he had to go to some extreme measures 23:30:40 like 3? or something 23:30:52 then he got his master's thing in half a year and then he got some other things 23:30:57 that reminds me of someone I remember hearing about who did a biochem/physics double major 23:31:00 and called it a "science major" 23:31:09 skipping out on the useless science 23:31:13 excellent plan 23:31:18 so edwardk is fucking nuts, is what i'm hearing 23:31:29 how fucking nuts are we talking 23:31:35 well he was also like old at the time 23:31:46 bi old i mean he had alreadi worked in The Industri and stuff? 23:31:46 oh how old 23:31:50 not old old 23:31:55 oh like 23:32:00 elliott's idea of old 23:32:02 but i mean not entering uni at 18 and then getting five billion degrees in a month 23:32:04 not that old 23:32:04 ah, the industry! i know that band 23:32:13 right that's what i was thinking 23:32:25 wasn't he in his 30s or something 23:32:37 i don't even know how old he is now! 23:33:02 maibe we will find out when he dies from exhaustion 23:33:04 oh he was just under 30 23:34:55 kmc: so given that i haven't even started what should i do 23:35:16 start ... something? 23:35:18 go to college. get swole 23:35:54 i would also like life advice from kmc 23:36:44 shachaf: do iou have ani particular goals 23:37:11 kmc I've graduated and was blessed with the luck of a job oh god what do I do next 23:37:12 well that's one of the things i want to figure out 23:37:22 Fiora: imo go postal 23:37:26 you're just the right sort of person for it 23:37:28 Goals are overrated. Everþthing is void of meaning! 23:37:33 Fiora: continue having a job? i dunno 23:37:48 postal? 23:37:59 kill them 23:38:01 kill them all 23:38:21 what ._. 23:38:32 hmm, going postal is a fairly recently coined phrase, isn't it? 23:38:39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal 23:38:48 i'm not veri ambitious, i know how to do some things that are fun and veri useful to the world, i would like to keep doing them and help people either directli or bi giving monei awai, but i don't have ani grand goals to change mi position in life as it's alreadi p. good 23:38:48 (going postal is actually called that because a bunch of post office workers randomly shot up their workplaces in the 90s, this is apparently A True Fact) 23:39:12 it's also the name of a book by T.D.J. Pratchett 23:39:14 it was a joke in MIB, man 23:39:24 i... think 23:40:05 shachaf: if iou don't have a specific goal of getting iour degree then i would sai, see first if iou can get a job iou like without the degree, and if it seems difficult then consider school 23:41:06 kmc: where is mi life advice 23:41:23 can i have some life advice also 23:41:33 there are mani social benefits of college too though 23:41:36 although at present i suspect it all boils down to 'revise' 23:41:49 i cant give life advice to everyone :( 23:41:52 fuck iou Phantom__Hoover people who don't have their lives sorted out are talking!!! 23:41:52 everione 23:41:54 :( 23:41:56 did you revise 23:41:59 imo exclusive club 23:41:59 elliott: i have an exclusive deal with kmc 23:42:12 so glad i got a life plan set 23:42:16 'die in grad school' 23:42:26 should i go to grad school 23:42:34 also lets be clear that ioure taking life advice from someone who got fired and is considering moving to sf for several reasons one of which is that it's easier to bui weed there 23:42:56 that sounds pretti close to role model material for me tbh 23:43:01 kmc, actual life guru 23:43:09 elliott, like you'd ever try weed 23:43:15 certified life coach 23:43:28 this would be funnier if iou've seen peep show 23:43:29 Phantom__Hoover: what are iou impliing!! 23:43:43 you work it ou 23:43:43 t 23:43:51 no i actualli don't know 23:44:19 also, worrying social experience of the day: being told that i am 'stabby creepy', in comparison to an associate who was 'rapey creepy' 23:44:22 i was in weed, california 23:44:24 does that count 23:44:26 i am not sure what to make of this 23:44:26 Phantom__Hoover: D: 23:44:38 shachaf: what about Fucking, Belgium 23:44:47 i think probabli the #1 reason i have never tried weed is that i have no friends 23:44:53 is that what iou were impliing Phantom__Hoover!! 23:45:02 elliott: iou can visit me in sf 23:45:02 i was offered a joint once 23:45:14 Phantom__Hoover: what functors 23:45:26 kmc: isn't sf kind of scari 23:45:27 at the time my mother was sitting across the road in a car so it was not really an option 23:45:50 things sf has: startups; probabli hipsters of some description???; kmc (SCARIEST OF ThEm ALL) 23:45:58 *will haven 23:46:02 elliott: everyone with socioeconomic status between 'homeless crackhead' and 'google software engineer' has been driven out of the city 23:46:08 elliott: why is kmc scary? 23:46:20 imo my friend tried to get me to 'smoke a fat bowl' with her but i turned it down, what does that make me 23:46:41 kmc: so does that mean it's just people below homeless crackhead or just people above google software engineer 23:46:47 kmc: that sounds frightening 23:46:49 it's both 23:46:52 cool 23:46:59 sonuds like a healthi place 23:47:03 ikr 23:47:09 whi does un alwais become nu 23:47:14 what the fuck is happening to mi keiboard 23:47:39 elliott comes to the slow realization that he's beginning to write in swedish 23:47:47 IT BEGINS 23:47:50 Bike: no stop Phantom__Hoover will give up on me 23:47:52 can i visit kmc in sf 23:47:54 yes 23:47:55 I TOLD YOU ELLIOTT 23:47:55 ies 23:47:57 I FUCKING TOLD YOU 23:48:01 we could 'hang out' 23:48:04 WHO'S LAUGHING NOW 23:48:13 sf is in california right 23:48:23 mmhm 23:48:37 how mani wales big is california 23:48:53 sf is in the part of california which is 60°F all the time instead of 75°F 23:48:56 could terrorise both monqi and kmc on the same trip!!! 23:48:59 it's a trap for tourists 23:49:17 24 celsius is a bit hot 23:49:20 sf sonuds nicer 23:49:32 20 wales, according to WA 23:49:34 probabli monqi is in the latter part?? i hear it's too hot there 23:49:39 Phantom__Hoover: holi shit that's a lot of wales 23:49:40 guess what, it's 28° in palo alto right now 23:49:49 haha does mnoqy live in the inland empire or something 23:49:59 on thursday it'll be 34° some of the time according to google :☹( 23:50:08 20.4 wales 23:50:10 unfortunately WA doesn't know the volume of wales 23:50:11 that's a lot of wales 23:50:37 Bike: uh idk what conuts as inland empire 23:50:45 http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/27499971.html i think 'sold his crackpipe to buy crack' should be a new folksi saing for short-sighted economic behavior 23:51:01 elliott: the lynch film 23:52:24 kmc, wow 23:52:36 hey i was at mulholland drive once 23:52:42 I wonder if the phrase going postal caused more people to go postal in post offices 23:53:04 is mulholland drive the one with the lesbians 23:53:53 'You cannot compare a Mac and pc on paper...pcs only utilize 50-75% of their hardware...macs utilize every but of the machine which is why you have almost no corruption of software and almost rarely have to upgrade a Mac...point is you can get "lower" on paper specs on a Mac and get twice the performance and life span...I was a technician for the company so if you have more detailed questions let me know' 23:53:53 i didn't see any when i was there, but maybe 23:53:59 (i didn't see anyone. i was there at night) 23:54:14 Phantom__Hoover: uhhuh 23:54:25 'Don't worry about hardware in that sense..the answer is yes to all...the only difference hardware will provide you is longevity...if you upgrade hardware it will last longer, that is it...everything will run to a great level of performance whatever spec requirements you see on a box just cut it in half for a Mac...you can cut your background processes to use less than 10% of you hardware...pc will always use more than 20% just because it's a 23:54:25 pic' 23:54:44 ......................................................................................... 23:57:55 lolol, companies in the Stack Overflow jobs database are rated on the 12-point "Joel Test" 23:58:14 the whhat 23:58:40 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html cutting edge stuff like 'uses source control' and 'has a bug tracker' 23:58:47 i dunno 23:59:11 sadli it mai not be universal in the real world