< 1367884847 958089 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried that fancy inform 7 language? < 1367884887 237508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not tried any version of Inform. I am using my own assembler for Z-machine. < 1367885029 849434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inform has a some restrictions, such as requiring that the word separators are .," and that dictionary entries have 9 bytes each, that property tables cannot be shared (although ZIL has the same restriction), etc < 1367885116 841424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many other things that can be done with the Z-machine that I don't know if ZIL or Inform supports. < 1367885236 771805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloaded Kubuntu 13.04 < 1367885656 405135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes: overlapping property tables (where some objects share some but not all properties; a dummy property entry will be needed to separate them), repointing property tables at runtime, changing the alphabet table at runtime, modifying default property values at runtime, making the global variable table overlap the default property table (possibly even the header of object 1), ... < 1367885869 368131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebGL, WebGL, who doesn't love WebGL? < 1367885874 102887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebGL WebGL I love you < 1367885875 92657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1367885886 587459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't actually used WebGL-based stuff much < 1367885945 562190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't love it because it gives untrusted JavaScript code a huge amount of access to one of the biggest and scariest subsystems of the Linux kernel < 1367885995 954098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a successful attack through graphics card / driver would likely bypass most Chrome sandboxing < 1367886011 653596 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it would make for a cool blog post though. < 1367886017 472333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1367886035 932778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a prompt that needed to pop up for WebGL to activate, then it would be rougly equiv. to downloading and running an application? < 1367886040 756854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's system doesn't even support webgl. take that,attackers < 1367886050 10547 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's terrifying just how huge and complex graphics drivers are < 1367886062 36289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumbaly the user would need to trust... oh. Users are gullible. But then users would be gullible to download .exes anyway < 1367886068 565106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's not like that stops worms on windows < 1367886072 173025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean, like, they solve really huge problems, taking vast amounts of directx/opengl/etc code and transforming it into optimized graphics... commands and everything < 1367886072 489916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1367886079 572044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like. they're millions and millions of lines of code O_O < 1367886115 327931 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like they'd be really cool to work on though < 1367886119 834398 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1367886120 571403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the prompt is a total cop-out < 1367886135 18550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if I have to trust any WebGL app as if it were unsandboxed native code, then it's not really "Web"GL is it < 1367886139 300690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that can be done, is that the fix pitch bit in the header could be used to allow an undone operation to take one bit of information from the undo operation < 1367886152 454774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get me wrong, I would still want the prompt if I enable WebGL at all < 1367886155 856418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really solve the problem < 1367886162 36131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if any Z-machine game does this. < 1367886168 115923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hard to wrap your exploit in some pretty WebGL demo and get it posted to Hacker News < 1367886227 163216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess OpenGL commands that _should_ be safe aren't necessarily? < 1367886231 675552 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and you can sneak a bitcoin stealer into the exploit < 1367886235 147470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.< >.> < 1367886239 25327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given that it's hacker news) < 1367886244 344519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, because of bugs in the graphics card or its drivers < 1367886246 897433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are huuuuuuuuuuge < 1367886262 710565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that nvidia's closed source graphics driver is about as big as Linux with all modules < 1367886265 964366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say ~10 MLOC < 1367886273 876417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's even bigger than I imagined < 1367886274 119037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's leaving aside all of the software and hardware on the card itself < 1367886288 872949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the card of course has privileges to write to anywhere in RAM that you like < 1367886298 763407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you have some IOMMU stuff set up just right) < 1367886343 202559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for open source drivers, well they might be a bit smaller, but they're scary as hell and often based on an incomplete reverse-engineered understanding of the hardware < 1367886379 856930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the driver is too complicated because the hardware is too complicated. < 1367886390 762926 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's probably because the *problem* is really complicated... < 1367886418 997586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, although I'm sure a lot of it is backwards compatibility junk as well < 1367886429 207652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making doom 2 run is NP-complete < 1367886431 875296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably >_< especially given they have to support really really old cards < 1367886435 563530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think they've dropped a lot of those < 1367886446 768017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compat code is another really scary class of kernel code < 1367886470 615776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does weird data-format munging, often violates assumptions made elsewhere (e.g. by calling syscalls from kernel mode), and is often poorly / not tested < 1367886477 451321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't IE still support content-sniffing on text/plain for compatibility reasons? < 1367886495 170376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility issues in general suck, I think < 1367886510 304147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a local root hole in the Linux kernel code for uploading firmware to a V4L version 2 card on a 64-bit system using the 32-bit V4L version 1 APIs < 1367886516 351052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in, sniffing for HTML on what server claims to be text/plain) < 1367886524 204584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something that nobody ever tried to do, and the code to do it was very broken < 1367886530 982713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was in the kernel for years < 1367886545 603520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is OpenBSD any better? < 1367886550 380249 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has less stuff < 1367886568 63856 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1367886570 170103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux with minimal config is a lot better than standard kitchen sink Linux kernels < 1367886579 244823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better if you have grsecurity / PaX patches < 1367886601 530753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go reboot now < 1367886608 328479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :into OpenBSD? < 1367886612 476889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu < 1367886614 936895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to disappoint < 1367886616 166664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luk < 1367886660 469939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367886749 319284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have there been any high-profile like, uses of exploits? a worm or something? < 1367886823 875484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of linux kernel exploits? < 1367886837 866821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1367886868 8778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are very few remote kernel exploits, so you would need to pair it with a remote user exploit of some kind to make a worm < 1367886877 284099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depending on your worm's goals, getting root is maybe not that useful < 1367886883 399697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what i'm asking is like < 1367886887 812046 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do people do with linux exploits < 1367886928 211003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get root on VPSes that they've compromised through a WordPress vulnerability < 1367886954 808220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even shared hosting servers with a bunch of processes running as different users < 1367886993 119529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can have some fun with root access < 1367887038 13442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, you could get root on a server at amazon ec2, and then do whoknowswhat on their network? < 1367887045 328737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also break out of Linux Containers / OpenVZ / Virtuozzo containers with a kernel exploit I believe < 1367887045 962594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I'd guess amazon would have really good security) < 1367887065 984657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EC2 uses the Xen hypervisor so you would also need a Xen breakout exploit even if you have root on a guest < 1367887074 38866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1367887089 53517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with VPSs that don't do hypervisors, you'd just need a kernel exploit < 1367887117 296170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: people run honeypot servers and make recordings of people trying to attack them < 1367887120 693907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJagxe-Gvpw < 1367887158 122502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downgoat.net/2013/04/25/the-story-about-some-very-bad-hackers/ < 1367887185 374891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sudo: command not found" xD < 1367887273 354655 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh my goodness this video. < 1367887276 369671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've seenthose < 1367887280 100892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd ". " < 1367887290 795325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I guess that's a "hiding shit" directory < 1367887293 885265 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367887295 883536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't exist :) < 1367887297 817890 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe perl will work this time!" < 1367887298 441369 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgebuntu < 1367887311 228953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :skebuntu < 1367887315 459070 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how utterly ignorant this "hacker" apparently is. < 1367887325 60156 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was so frustrated until realizing I forgot to connect to wifi < 1367887330 604698 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like they got told a couple recipes for hacking Unix boxen and then fucked it up. < 1367887338 963176 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :script kiddies, as they say < 1367887345 618019 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What hacker < 1367887362 908527 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJagxe-Gvpw < 1367887363 311010 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe /var/spool/sambda will exist *now*!" < 1367887394 44372 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of amazingly bad < 1367887407 121883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they try to use /var/spool/samba < 1367887449 873076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was the cwd of the samba process they exploited < 1367887480 915729 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes perseverence to go past no sudo < 1367887517 916838 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, spool appearing < 1367887533 696186 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: They were root! < 1367887578 651753 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i wish i could download SP3 that fast < 1367887717 574055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at "7202 B/s", sobs < 1367887812 147470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ohhh. so they exploited a process to get on the server, only to find themselves in a honeypot? < 1367888365 721590 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is KDE Talk? < 1367888584 391569 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a KDE jabber server < 1367888850 735370 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1367890023 738624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't know, but it seems likely < 1367890206 699127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta work up the nerve to hit 'send' on these job emails < 1367890210 536545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary :/ < 1367890355 583943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending important emails is scary, I really often end up using the undo button like 5 times in a row before I've nerve-wracked myself into believing it's okay < 1367890359 761308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(undo send is wonderful though) < 1367890520 715897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just insert a delay before actually sending the email? < 1367890524 435178 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367890526 265226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1367890551 479787 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has saved me from soooo much embarrassment probably < 1367890555 724170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciated amazon 1-click more once I realized it works like that < 1367890563 778618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 30 minutes to cancel or modify the order < 1367890568 794537 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh. I had no idea < 1367890580 436622 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's a 30 second delay. < 1367890583 744282 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really nice. I think I'm less afraid to use one-click one < 1367890586 241798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one-click now < 1367890596 955383 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assumption being that 30 seconds is close enough to instant. < 1367890597 376637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: really? < 1367890603 416251 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's for Gmail. < 1367890606 38648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1367890618 36278 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about Amazon's thing. < 1367890620 730862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah one click + amazon prime is a pretty potent combination < 1367890621 338399 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo send is the best feature < 1367890628 51633 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gmail does undo send? < 1367890632 647087 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: it's a lab feature < 1367890632 842406 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1367890635 332027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a google labs feature thing < 1367890637 977395 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set the delay, I think? < 1367890639 4423 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see < 1367890643 38505 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty great < 1367890650 347941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have previously used the trick of not filling in the recipient address until you're really ready to send < 1367890687 170196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, sneaky < 1367890705 397704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367890739 195769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367891406 881768 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea or bad idea: Just installing 13.04 over my existing Kubuntu install < 1367892104 35452 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have separate /home, good idea < 1367892197 581363 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No separate /home < 1367892202 381322 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1367892209 822550 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that be reasonably easy to do though? < 1367892356 805361 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... maybe it is < 1367892365 313673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have backups < 1367892367 397163 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be encrypted... does that imply separate mount? < 1367892464 146926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1367892475 182657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the encrypted file may still be stored on the same partition as everything else < 1367892479 190139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make backups < 1367892484 164091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need backups anyway < 1367892499 378674 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To where? < 1367892508 774236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some storage device? < 1367892527 522078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much irreplaceable personal data do you have? < 1367892545 620660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have very much, since most of the stuff I make is text and I don't have many photos or videos < 1367892620 250167 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a bit, but not in /home particularly < 1367892642 722713 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Losing irreplaceable data has been a bit of a fact of life for me :( < 1367892658 307444 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's some on a broken HD I have lying around somewhere < 1367892718 935250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1367892738 2364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still scared of sending these emails < 1367893227 598007 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like anxiety. < 1367893272 70603 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok, just wait until you run out of money < 1367893278 90233 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff works out naturally < 1367893774 647638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1367893788 694005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately that will take quite a while < 1367893797 976897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't want to sit around doing nothing for an extended period of time < 1367893801 35810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done enough of that < 1367893902 383894 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bought cereal online, not because I needed more cereal, but because I've heard good things about this cereal from a place that reviewed another cereal that people love < 1367893914 843835 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel slightly mad < 1367893923 860574 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in not sane, not as in angry) < 1367893937 297683 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it http://www.cerealmarshmallows.com/ < 1367893947 605124 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waffle Crisps < 1367894008 411444 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I want those < 1367894015 680642 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmnoqy < 1367894045 143465 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1367894398 264193 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is becoming a spendaholic < 1367894445 321166 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin capitalist < 1367894516 692450 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has sold software since 2007 < 1367894560 69265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOURGEOISE < 1367894738 452496 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367894886 224245 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1367895334 153544 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :bourgrammer < 1367896394 485674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this? http://ifwiki.org/index.php/Cruelty_scale < 1367896419 215528 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alarm clock website I use seems to think it's 3:13 AM. < 1367896424 724094 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only 11:13 < 1367896431 973192 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems alright to me < 1367896436 947198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your only solution is to move 4 time zones over < 1367896463 410576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to newfoundland! < 1367896493 279445 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wait is sgeo in asia or...i'mconfused now < 1367896577 660814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought Long Island, NY < 1367896583 496922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long island is long < 1367896587 212273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 4 time zones long :'( < 1367896638 659125 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcat? < 1367896744 535712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned long cat < 1367896755 884787 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1367897954 421606 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear System clock: Fuck you so very much < 1367898601 716920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i got over my fear and sent 3 job applications < 1367898608 821890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's time for much drinking < 1367898722 705312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats! < 1367898726 705256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good luck < 1367898750 120591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, are you getting 3 jobs! < 1367898779 221443 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercapitalist < 1367898832 503093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right < 1367898836 515322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Fiora :) < 1367899057 424705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: maybe "bougiegrammer" < 1367899070 816932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes me think of... bougie grammer < 1367899099 364260 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bourgamersie < 1367899101 949806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Téodor, when you talk that way, I feel like I'm sitting on the nozzle of a big metal tank that says YALE." < 1367899433 242996 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1367900097 107294 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comprehensive Achewood text archive is unbelievably helpful < 1367900344 381007 :Gregor!dlopen@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1367900498 332765 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the single threat ClamAV has found so far might just be something downloaded out of curiousity but otherwise inactive < 1367900519 663677 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure whether to hope so or not. If not, then I can blame all my Windows problems on it... < 1367900968 800245 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it give a name? < 1367901452 94810 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Maybe when the scan is done. < 1367904452 121013 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367904476 874302 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367904546 929227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: yes < 1367904552 379671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is helpful < 1367904592 92674 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a bot that only knows lines from Achewood < 1367904597 34122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_97q16TFxk they're making an Achewood TV show < 1367904605 949408 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuuuuuut < 1367904608 96451 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yus < 1367904694 693195 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can hear is Cotton Hill's voice < 1367904748 55079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this test footage is kind of off, but I'm hopeful it will become a good show < 1367904758 197189 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that'd be a fun time < 1367904782 581471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the strip has pretty much run its course and so I'm excited to see it go in new directions < 1367904809 123036 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do an archive binge and catch up < 1367905214 305091 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice paper: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/456444_4106885718450_1465379536_o.jpg < 1367905272 947627 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd|tempsane < 1367905294 769974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that Beef is voiced by Chris Onstad in that video < 1367907028 257254 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-77.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367907159 697650 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367907611 539436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could probably be improved by removing "fucking" and placing each sentence on its own line. < 1367907641 886260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And perhaps even numbering them or bullet point < 1367907820 179825 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a strange zzoism when i forgot the context < 1367907836 449509 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is not improvable by order < 1367907838 944801 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail eris < 1367907916 719232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except noncommutative logic, I suppose. < 1367908063 893123 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1367908213 169752 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: we need the americans to read the whole thing. the fucking works kind of like a fnord: disarming some auth-sub-routine-filters which allows direct inception on the lower levels of human perception < 1367908370 682313 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember beeing there for the first time. almost intuitive, i pressed ALT+A, and there it was.. a tiny little fnord in that corner < 1367908392 859261 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous but that was a magic moment :D < 1367908395 375508 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1367908424 269447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mammals include the largest animals on the planet... as well as some of the most intelligent" < 1367908427 286917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some of" < 1367908495 26475 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :corvids and cephalopods, man < 1367908499 353219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the score < 1367908514 402802 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw beeing where? i meant the RAW website..somehow i dropped that sorry < 1367908519 687418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are You Smarter Than A Cephalopod, coming this fall on NBC < 1367908554 574388 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and parrots. i forget whatever the sciency name for parrots is < 1367908564 940409 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367908569 83364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's parrotiae < 1367908574 2287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n.b.: not really) < 1367908588 777598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :psittaciformes now you know < 1367908592 556381 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just removing "fucking" and placing each sentence on its own line would work. < 1367908592 752514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they can have like, a locking mechanism and see whether the people or the cuttlefish can figure it out first < 1367908592 948260 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psittacines < 1367908601 101712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1367908604 426396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how many ways i'd pronounce that wrong < 1367908604 762608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight at 9, on FOX < 1367908606 644975 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly given that that's in Helvetica. < 1367908632 14663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes, you don't need to do the others, but it will make it a bit nicer, at least, *maybe*. < 1367908641 836860 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they would. < 1367908662 61386 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :parrots know like, sarcasm and stuff < 1367908665 706818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ready for irc, imo < 1367908666 92570 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't fit too well with the whole Swiss style aesthetic, which is really what you should target when using Helvetica. < 1367908826 507082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're naïve! Perfect Swiss men probably account for under one ten-millionth of a percent of worldwide joint sales!" < 1367908898 801855 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect swiss men??? joint sales?????????? < 1367908906 503943 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a german version of smoke two joints < 1367908910 920526 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not there really should be < 1367908931 734943 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rauchen zwei Gelenken < 1367908943 379018 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geschmoken zwei Jointzen < 1367908950 140889 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does europe even get its weed < 1367908950 466984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pikhq_ has it < 1367908962 719372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's finland < 1367908963 358091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ever hear of a place called HOLLAND < 1367908973 677593 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1367908978 101444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do they grow it there < 1367908980 686468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1367908995 590671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«According to The Toyes, "one fine fall day on a small island" of Oahu in Hawaii, two of the band members, Jim and Sandy, were sitting under a large banyan tree on Kuhio Beach, "tokin' on some sweet bud & jammin' on a rootsy reggae funky town"» is this real < 1367908997 298708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said I hear much of the weed in the UK is horrible "soapbar hash" < 1367909006 280419 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i know like nothing about this stuff how can everyone be so knowledgable < 1367909009 407802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke two articulations < 1367909010 121892 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tulips are just a cover. < 1367909012 605246 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean it's cut with soap, or something more creative < 1367909032 977478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: The secret is I pretend. < 1367909051 896299 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit,oh shit, holland is only sort of the same thing as the netherlands?? < 1367909054 588870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that country < 1367909065 635076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's a province or whatever < 1367909079 814855 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like England vs. the UK or some such. < 1367909083 667227 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holland is a region and former province in the western part of the Netherlands. The term Holland is also frequently used as a pars pro toto to refer to the whole of the Netherlands. This usage is generally accepted, but disliked by part of the Dutch population, especially in the other parts of the Netherlands" < 1367909088 751175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the world < 1367909094 898869 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is soapbar hash where you put the hash in a bar of soap like those little plastic dinosaurs and stuff < 1367909105 111521 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, the world doesn't look fuckable. < 1367909112 555197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the set of dutch people not living in holland a set of measure zero < 1367909113 252814 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. it < 1367909117 432649 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the little plastic dinosaurs you put in the soap so when you use the soap you rub yourself with the dinosaur < 1367909122 78904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just call it "the nether regions". < 1367909122 950970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holland_position.svg !!!!! < 1367909126 139827 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: almost -Gelenken +Dübel < 1367909126 845584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a hole big enough and i will fuck the whole world < 1367909130 299334 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: sex joke < 1367909131 281217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- newton or someone < 1367909135 784373 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd|tempsane: thanks < 1367909136 273705 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we mostly say joints < 1367909142 85129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex joke: "holland position" < 1367909142 896735 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1367909151 45780 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is holland, < 1367909159 811893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd|tempsane: damn your multilingualism!! < 1367909175 648378 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nadsat <3 < 1367909181 824177 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to figure out what i ~actually~ said < 1367909183 953445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I don't speak German, I speak fake German. < 1367909189 112723 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that wasmore of a creole < 1367909191 616158 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also speak Swedish Chef. < 1367909194 763426 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a uh... a word better than creole < 1367909234 513675 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea we're quite a nice colorful bunch of earthlings < 1367909241 398326 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy to hear that < 1367909248 98817 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to kn0w whatever < 1367909255 342696 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen rasta < 1367909294 76366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if holland is so great then why is the Noord/Zuid Line still under construction???? checkmate < 1367909303 144401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though Amsterdam is great and I would love to live there < 1367909334 151499 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, the netherlands had to declare independence from spain < 1367909338 778388 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is european history even possible < 1367909405 162792 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&search=gelenk#/search=joint&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on < 1367909426 894128 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1367909433 532468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the Dutch version of Santa Claus is from Spain and if you're bad then Santa's friend Black Pete will haul you off to Spain < 1367909435 557871 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joint is like 8 words in german with completely different meaning < 1367909443 282559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true story < 1367909453 980351 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1367909462 381989 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it somehow manages not actually to mean joint < 1367909463 673274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sintenpiet.jpg < 1367909476 39139 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1367909533 179158 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joint -> prison, suit, node, habbit, lineup, connection < 1367909538 457995 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controversial practices include holiday revellers blackening their faces and wearing afro wigs, gold jewelry and bright red lipstick,[8] and walking the streets throwing candy to passers-by. < 1367909589 766249 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an experiment in 2006, the NPS (en: Dutch Programme Foundation) replaced the black Pieten with rainbow-colored Pieten but reverted the characters back to the traditional all-black makeup a year later. < 1367909600 950021 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good tradition < 1367909603 333840 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367909616 27698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also NL used to be a republic but Napoleon installed his brother as king or something < 1367909634 695664 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, napoleon < 1367909645 69122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figger he just fucked up all of europe forever, that's not hard to undersatnd < 1367909694 818116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :western europe at least < 1367909715 930739 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastern europe was already fucked up < 1367909727 289472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is poland part of eastern europe i forget < 1367909766 222861 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, im happy the russian stops all that maniacs < 1367909776 411969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russia invades, now you have two problems < 1367909788 136552 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like napoleon < 1367909789 962826 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hitler < 1367909809 209119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean like, during the deluge (it's actually called the deluge) poland lost almost half its population < 1367909814 914236 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to swedes? < 1367909819 429966 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what's even up with that, europe. < 1367909827 607940 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :history sounds crazy man < 1367909831 255718 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they do it < 1367909849 733815 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is deluge? i can speak polish.. i have polish roots < 1367909858 421245 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard that < 1367909870 329556 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd|tempsane: the swedeish invasion of poland in the 1600s < 1367909899 995562 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called 'potop' like 'flood' < 1367909908 21614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potop_szwedzki < 1367909912 279109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that means 'swedish flood' < 1367909918 736283 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the swedish came all the way down by the boat < 1367909924 490744 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on wisla < 1367909946 68596 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the river through poland all the way down to krakow < 1367909984 623885 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like poland vanished from the maps already 3 times < 1367910004 751653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :krakow is a nice city < 1367910011 640203 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IS true < 1367910015 15244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poland didn't exist in like the 19th century right < 1367910029 906575 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also never been there < 1367910048 615192 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe longer < 1367910053 635455 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18th19th < 1367910062 425529 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember exactly < 1367910080 846153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of centuries to stop existingand then unstop later, imo < 1367910206 607181 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true.. but its people never stopped fighting for its sovereignity < 1367910209 137095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poland: it comes and goes < 1367910265 247072 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the first versa in the antem is like 'poland is not lost, as long as we live' < 1367910275 395957 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and blah < 1367910295 534807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Polonium may be the first element named to highlight a political controversy" < 1367910318 230912 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have german and polish roots.. and for that reason i am a citizen of earth < 1367910320 297064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stunning political commentary from the physics world *nukes idaho* < 1367910379 683105 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was revealed by marie curie i believe < 1367910391 882571 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a polish woman < 1367910397 585648 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :living in paris < 1367910407 211850 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry france < 1367910413 860898 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pierre curie < 1367910422 587747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got curie's daughter, who also got a nobel < 1367910425 445005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd say that worked out < 1367910425 687730 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiation < 1367910443 761832 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1367910458 232998 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1367910506 500563 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what controversy did you mean kmc? < 1367910518 199896 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a joke ..ok < 1367910550 129946 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curie named polonium in the late 1800s, when Poland iddn't exist. < 1367910559 567867 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1367910564 142633 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1367910595 354924 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an interpretation of your own? < 1367910600 766065 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or known facts < 1367910602 212082 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc was quoting wikipedia. < 1367910607 999978 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1367910612 236165 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1367910644 484232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was Curie's hope that naming the element after her native land would publicize its lack of independence. ( Kabzinska, K. (1998). "Chemical and Polish aspects of polonium and radium discovery". Przemysl Chemiczny 77 (3): 104–107.) < 1367910669 557775 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(chemical and polish) < 1367910724 322419 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great gift for both chemists and.............polishsts????? < 1367910740 550092 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the french somehow understood the beauty in the polish culture < 1367910751 122569 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love chopin ;) < 1367910768 282581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :polishers < 1367910768 831819 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has nothing to do with his nationality < 1367910797 67861 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there wasnt that many polish guys writing history < 1367910807 624283 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not to forget: kopernikus < 1367910831 472353 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it < 1367910892 34332 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope missed ranking by a few credits (sorry pope..maybe next time :P) < 1367910926 142653 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pole btw. means sth like field < 1367910981 914206 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367910984 473303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mammal_Diversity_2011.png < 1367910990 569085 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense to me, they were just peasents.. < 1367911012 655366 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. thanks for that excursion. < 1367911033 366877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wikipedia's little tilings are great < 1367911036 159490 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367911045 989587 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Leonid_Brezhnev_and_Richard_Nixon_talks_in_1973_cropped.JPG mammal diversity < 1367911083 845733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one has a pangolin in it < 1367911087 332059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's basically the best? < 1367911119 710822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screaming_hairy_armadillo < 1367911145 768137 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1367911230 590993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Notoryctes_typhlops.jpg what a great animal < 1367911731 720373 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1367911800 86344 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1367912005 646320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do matrices form a "ringed category"? < 1367912068 972070 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367912201 667064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1367912746 129761 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1367913507 574244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a ringed category < 1367913894 944950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a word I made up, but what I mean is that there is an Abelian group over each hom-set, and that the composition of morphisms distributes over this group. < 1367914123 390146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it has a different name. < 1367914392 711485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like an ok name < 1367914518 514732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367914538 192105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1367914639 669234 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1367914915 785485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god who stays dead, not plays dead < 1367914922 785592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, even i, can play dead < 1367915089 971057 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367915241 941961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this business you're either a one or a zero, alive or dead < 1367915296 406675 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about zombies < 1367915309 591518 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book of Revelations: the original zombie apocalypse < 1367915507 117922 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :legolas by laura http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMbjK1m6alg < 1367916815 61915 :impomatic!~digital_w@43.22.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1367917728 45566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a pineapple a kind of an apple? 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Then on the second day he said Let code be data and data be code and there was much rejoicing. Then on the third day he hacked up a meta-programming macro, and fucked off for the rest of the week as the universe generated itself.'' < 1367921987 78853 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `You: not found < 1367923625 158587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367925116 907456 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367925178 907379 :Sgebuntu!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367925610 803147 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1367926061 552497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DETAILS hth < 1367926090 826797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask mnoqy I forgot what the amazing discovery was. But it was good. < 1367926091 272685 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367926309 302055 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 4-year-old nephew managed to crash mosh-client when i let him type into cat. < 1367926314 158950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1367928684 982666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367931591 349402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WYhA OH NO < 1367932213 646666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ffHJ OH YES < 1367932585 15891 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367933785 734973 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367935036 13601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan i didn't ACTUALLY use pidgin < 1367935036 521007 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367936502 702585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367936552 265070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1367936552 460552 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1367936632 671546 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@MESSAGES? < 1367936633 156067 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1367936642 596869 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1367936643 246503 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1367936720 403974 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1367936721 51113 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1367936842 626936 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massage, please < 1367936843 370830 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1367937093 718723 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367937263 789467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367937408 967496 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367938783 460504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367939225 187201 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367939260 273146 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1367939260 468577 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367939282 838170 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1367939399 81915 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1367939876 421904 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1367939882 909479 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1367940193 325369 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367940863 780999 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367941051 290077 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1367941058 317414 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367941375 76544 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1367941375 579304 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1367941379 727245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff < 1367941386 694330 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else watching Vicious? < 1367941616 380817 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367941932 219470 :Gregor!dlopen@codu.org QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1367941953 423673 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1367941977 298186 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1367942017 920604 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out my SWEEEEET vanity hostname. < 1367942155 905072 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you have great SEO btw hth < 1367942166 536378 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google libdl.so < 1367942167 670821 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://libdl.so/ < 1367942167 866661 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: libdl.so < 1367942178 555895 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooooooool < 1367942182 585294 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT EVEN TRYING < 1367942222 107353 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I know I'm not getting libc.so now (sigh...) I'm thinking of switching stock-and-barrel to libdl.so. < 1367942338 81142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to libc.so < 1367942341 305996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean since last time < 1367942356 659132 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone is domain squatting it or something < 1367942376 250220 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't even have the decency to make it resolve to somewhere < 1367942419 104544 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that was my first documented use of hth, hth < 1367942531 257018 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric : And they don't even have the decency to make it resolve to somewhere // This is the most painful part :( < 1367942540 852120 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd even be happier with a generic "this domain squatted" site. < 1367942547 424626 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be HAPPY, but I'd be happier. < 1367942553 771210 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :The owner never responded to my emails either *sigh* < 1367942699 601064 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that really bugs me is http://david.com < 1367942711 156049 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DOMAIN SQUAT < 1367942712 375795 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1367942731 520616 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with thatotherwebpage.com? < 1367942776 182904 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, nothing I guess... maybe a bit long < 1367942912 398026 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367942982 716352 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it's not aah < 1367942985 974061 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1367943015 71866 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? aah < 1367943017 89771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah ambiguous acronym here < 1367943027 109415 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google aah.com < 1367943029 420570 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aah.com/ < 1367943029 619928 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: AAH.co.uk AAH Pharmaceuticals | AAH < 1367943041 38414 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, typical situation of aah < 1367943271 658432 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1367944101 725563 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367944603 395709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 it seems lots of spam accounts are still editing, but never getting far enough to trigger the block < 1367944603 962792 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367944778 952127 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367947347 479559 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367947770 314004 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH BUGS < 1367947772 43845 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE BUGS < 1367947851 24008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1367948036 226997 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367948100 502442 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just kill them < 1367948105 14967 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's kill all of them < 1367948108 990278 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't let any escape < 1367948144 565699 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you'd find a bug in the bug killing system. < 1367948145 258350 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: Is this still about the economy simulation? < 1367948151 836337 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: no < 1367948167 367439 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's done? < 1367948182 496907 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's been left behind < 1367948207 981899 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently economies are complex < 1367948244 368799 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the new thing? < 1367948282 935993 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new thing is actually an old thing < 1367948316 386744 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a DCPU emulator < 1367948326 262753 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1367948348 526284 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/galaxy-team/saturn < 1367948373 364168 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott OKAY < 1367948373 560325 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367948400 911722 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, webchat doesn't do tab completion of nicks after /msg < 1367948412 618573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1367948413 385692 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 39s ago: OKAY < 1367948418 912232 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1367948751 70381 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric is always on topic, for some values of "topic", "on", and "always" | Habemus Debiam! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1367948928 267888 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dies war ein Test der Grammatikkorrektursystem. < 1367949030 797119 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric is always on topic, for some values of "#esoteric", "is", and "on" | Habemus Debiam! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1367949060 128686 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, the german has incorrect grammar. is there a problem?) < 1367949242 127108 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja, es gibt ein Problem! < 1367949249 284587 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not really < 1367949396 283381 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (AAAAAAAAAAAAH! fungot has a twilight style! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURGH!) <-- i am concluding you find this more disturbing than the lovecraft one. < 1367949396 696913 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the peasants had fled and which now sheltered the laborers from the north curse and whine, and the < 1367949428 58477 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1367949428 254155 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1367949490 871448 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no trouble with the lovecraft style. < 1367949516 932494 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(twist: fungot actually was on the lovecraft style at the time of your panic.) < 1367949518 280277 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: such stupendous ruin only chaos dwelt, and where even the most callous of the other fnord. but whip a cat and watch it glare and move backward hissing in outraged dignity and self-respect! one more blow, and it is this plan which we could neither see nor definitely place. as we did so we saw that real source, we entered an archway from which much debris had been fnord by nameless workmen in that horrible gulf rent out o < 1367949616 405046 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: the readme doesn't really have a lot of things < 1367949630 184728 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "galaxy's emulator"? < 1367949636 15726 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that is because the emulator is nowhere near finished < 1367949645 154075 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: the toolchain is called "galaxy" < 1367949663 196312 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was thinking "he's trying to simulate the galaxy" for a second < 1367949669 370097 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1367949684 186261 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical next step after simulating an economy, I guess... < 1367949691 539259 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toolchain for what? < 1367949697 981286 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DCPU < 1367949705 792736 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dcpu.com/ < 1367949719 396386 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1367949735 887070 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a more or less fictional architecture < 1367949741 236461 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame I'm so much of a high-level noob < 1367949764 678848 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to help otherwise < 1367949773 633778 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but, but... it really sounded like twilight! < 1367949774 640357 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am for the most part as well, but the DCPU is really pretty simple < 1367949787 148781 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've never done anything similar < 1367949833 401637 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably < 1367949855 585924 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but currently I'm writing some UML generating tool because cpp2dia sucks < 1367949893 816732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Twilight style in fungot? < 1367949894 241905 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a sudden fnord of the complex key became necessary. lunch and dinner were brought him, but he said the bad thing about it. < 1367949920 34821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, he said the bad thing about it. < 1367949929 10911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so rude. < 1367949940 200494 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What eldritch things should be the fate of all bugs? < 1367949940 537041 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: however, as great a calamity as was feared. carter's personality is gaining in volume... the room rings with demoniacal fnord fnord, and from some of the < 1367949956 556824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how one measures the volume of a personality. < 1367949981 65053 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is weird. his personality is weird too.. we should measure its volume... < 1367949982 112154 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: walter brown is missing fnord been seen loafing around any of his other apparel had vanished with his recovery, and my later panic flight, burned up a perilous amount of air. tomorrow i will reduce physical exertion to the barest minimum until i meet the reptiles and have to take fnord when it thunders. the thing had had only one visit from edward, when he showed that ' ghoul feeding' was a tremendous achievement. < 1367949991 729178 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367950012 147819 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i will reduce physical exertion to the barest minimum until i meet the reptiles" this is unsettling < 1367950017 144959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tomorrow i will reduce physical exertion to the barest minimum until i meet the reptiles and have to take fnord when it thunders." I should say that to someone. < 1367950053 431427 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can you please clarify what you're going to do tomorrow? < 1367950054 715934 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: fnord, in the absence of form by a species of pictorial memory whereby his face appeared to me was not the secret that was never spoken aloud, only whispered. the count died without utterance, and was heard to cry out. no watcher can ever forget that sight, and ammi turned away from us, as to only a few moments he regretted his thoughtless haste, and his visits were becoming fewer and fewer. when school closed the < 1367950067 32912 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it keep talking about fnord < 1367950084 505916 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1367950084 701878 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1367950093 157291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367950097 726357 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanello < 1367950108 323229 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: apparently that's just a placeholder for when it doesn't know anything better to say < 1367950108 519248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1367950108 714113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1367950125 562469 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bite-covered fungot rises from the dead < 1367950125 946666 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: anhur: an egyptian god of craftsmen. he hated the other gods judged mjollnir the winner of the cakes and looked at the entrance. < 1367950129 282827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the styles trained both (a) with replacing all words that occur only once with the unknown-word token, and (b) without pruning n-grams that contain OOV words. < 1367950151 338844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And therefore it needs to say *something* when the babble-generation produces the unknown-word token.) < 1367950177 176530 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it says fnord, ah < 1367950181 273299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mjolnir, the winner of the cakes". < 1367950210 372795 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have the classic Shakespeare style :( < 1367950236 658475 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1367950236 853894 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1367950240 783462 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1367950250 853670 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Willt thou say something? < 1367950251 911388 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: scena tertius. scena prima. were i a man, there to dispose this treasure in mine armes: then, if you had, who takes it by sovereignty of nature. < 1367950252 627121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... may have abbreviated that one a bit too much. < 1367950256 718318 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it willst < 1367950286 89460 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Willt thou draw near the nature of the gods? < 1367950287 643176 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: queen. then i am not lisio, nor a man cannot make him giue ground: and more it would content me to have her name fnord all her deserving is a reserved honesty, and fnord of steele, you that have seene them, what they shall doe with this wicked caitiffe? esc. why thou globe of sinfull continents, what a slug is hastings, that he has taken their greatest commander; and that with speed; i cannot sigh thus fnord but wh < 1367950291 707277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did Shakespeare write oft of fnords? < 1367950292 471204 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pompey. thou hast seene these signes, they are both hang'd; and so would do, were he heere, or at least strangely neglected? when did he regard the stamp of merit! o, and i sheepe? < 1367950365 822344 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So to be or not to be? < 1367950366 373360 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: fa. he is very sicke, since i have found great love amongst them. o, fellow, fellow, thou troublest me. < 1367950367 529130 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fnord, perchance to dream < 1367950397 18348 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why do I trouble you? < 1367950398 55456 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: iu. what is't to leaue betimes? enter king, queene, aumerle, bushy, green. servant. who shall say me nay: pauca verba. away, with the romanes: at another caesar, lepidus, anthony, enobarbus, when antony found julius caesar dead, he will not heare < 1367950415 121441 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367950423 773096 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that were a lot of names < 1367950445 426264 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367951073 400586 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Do matrices form a "ringed category"? <-- it's called an abelian category, and yes. < 1367951073 730260 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367951345 308012 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 Or the weaker notion of preadditive category. < 1367951345 541205 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1367951603 148920 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367951751 82253 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367951778 162037 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367952845 592834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prize for macro abuse goes to http://libcello.org/ < 1367952866 916149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus < 1367952873 58244 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: asquare? < 1367952880 251332 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1367952883 891909 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did I say that < 1367952893 92941 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1367952930 605354 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you didn't say that, I was just checking to see if you were asquare < 1367952948 289217 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I'm around < 1367952963 934745 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by Haskell, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by Python and Obj-C. < 1367953004 37459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1367953046 337556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically typed C, with type classes < 1367953059 705448 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the DCPU is supposed to have 100,000 cycles a second, right? < 1367953059 900858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't seem to be real typeclasses < 1367953074 548107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: no idea, ask in #0x10c-dev < 1367953077 885559 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I confused after several months of not doing DCPU stuff < 1367953165 421671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we can build more or less anything into our runtime system but Garbage collection is just one step too far. The dynamic and complex systems that run garbage collectors just introduce too many hidden operations into a language. Like adding the type at the beginning of a struct, C does its best to disallow any hidden costs. And GC is all or nothing. Even the tiniest memory leak is unacceptable. < 1367953179 485597 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'The high level stucture of Cello projects is inspired by /Haskell/, while the syntax and semantics are inspired by /Python/ and /Obj-C/.' | rainwords > wisdom/cello < 1367953183 584512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1367953186 963628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is called abelian category. Wikipedia describes abelian category in a more complicated way than what I meant by a ringed category. < 1367953187 291874 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1367953190 796068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1367953191 145253 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 35m 17s ago: Do matrices form a "ringed category"? <-- it's called an abelian category, and yes. < 1367953191 341055 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 30m 45s ago: Or the weaker notion of preadditive category. < 1367953263 369024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do mean "all hom-sets are abelian groups" but I also mean the distributive law. < 1367953343 477588 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is anyone good at grothendieck < 1367953346 853916 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiber bundles 'n' shit < 1367953696 496966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you studying fiber bundles in horses < 1367953718 841760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horse_efibers < 1367953737 931374 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, and I thought I should feel awful for my C. < 1367953796 346793 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm actually wondering if i can apply optimal control to insects so... almost < 1367954044 279676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone start working on an Underhanded C Contest entry yet? < 1367954108 58461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been planning to visit that link in the topic to read what the assignment was < 1367954211 858212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how about you? < 1367954212 407758 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: enter two gentlemen at seuerall doores. caesar gets money where he looses hearts: lepidus flatters both, of both the sicils, and ierusalem, and hither are they comming to offer you our seruice < 1367954227 802090 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1367954294 291426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that shaxpear < 1367954311 313138 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "ceasar gets money where he looses hearts" < 1367954312 375802 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1367954315 65043 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1367954334 456295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are the v's written with u's? < 1367954360 324169 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I started a month or two ago, but that's on the back burner right now < 1367954464 570561 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the economy? < 1367954469 270755 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it less dead < 1367954490 151798 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :less dead < 1367954497 979178 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :the economy is most likely dead forever < 1367954510 471722 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave the presentation without help from the economy < 1367954517 189580 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to have a similar problem (abandoning stuff very quickly) < 1367954526 819064 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you had to give a presentation about economics? < 1367954533 570666 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about simulations? < 1367954547 803700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1367954547 999361 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss* wp youtube < 1367954548 934298 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :economics < 1367954549 575554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1367954549 770763 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1367954575 226244 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I just tend to be working on several different things at once < 1367954583 517537 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching back and forth and such < 1367954604 220939 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, so not exactly the same problem < 1367954611 385813 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just have a lot of bad ideas < 1367954676 921990 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well either bad or already done and better) < 1367955280 446499 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1367955360 162613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367955919 40793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1367955962 192462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367956021 594883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1367956047 830725 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-164.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1367957347 915904 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1367957492 65609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: restarting < 1367957795 422563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367957867 793100 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367958091 415190 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1367958106 400887 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367958538 689305 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1367958644 150068 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1367958837 447279 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367958846 711283 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.64 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1367958897 64497 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367958969 57708 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367959104 22092 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1367959144 559232 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1367959144 755459 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367959200 28233 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-206.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1367959647 381421 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367959667 47180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any games except Minecraft (and possibly something like Minesweeper) that lets you just resize the window like a normal desktop application. Usually you can only set various fixed resolutions... Why? < 1367959687 285292 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :math < 1367959694 865579 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pictures < 1367959705 84558 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know < 1367959737 11059 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a couple that could, but I think it's super hard because they have to reinitialize the directx/opengl context and complicated things < 1367959745 161153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why like, changing resolution can take seconds at a time < 1367959752 948559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text adventure games might be able to, depending on the interpreter. < 1367959755 71170 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-164.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1367959763 317533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and maybe like, reload/recalculate the whole interface because they have to rescale it?) < 1367959878 642747 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D games are painstakingly designed by hand in visual studio pro enterprise cloud toolkit forms down to the last pixel < 1367959905 736785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same reason that alt-tab is such a hard thing to get right, I think < 1367959909 92966 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367959913 298579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need to play minecraft in 670×430 < 1367959923 863534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :× < 1367959927 929768 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367959937 713908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Fantasy XI had an odd interesting thing where you could actually set the rendering resolution independent of the display resolution though < 1367959966 606295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :×I < 1367959982 829999 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noez a cyclops died! < 1367959999 279412 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :×𝔻 < 1367960016 838077 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that seems really werid < 1367960019 666214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that meant to be a square < 1367960030 135841 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s obviously not a square. < 1367960038 447266 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a friend of mine who was big into it used to use it to implement supersampling < 1367960044 400813 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she just set the rendering resolution to ~4K and played at 1080p < 1367960058 461466 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1367960083 451675 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supersampling: because you spent more money on the video card than on the screen < 1367960130 413349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1367960187 398405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you need to play minecraft in 670×430 <-- I tend to play it in windowed mode, with whatever size fits a small youtube video below, thus watching video as I play < 1367960190 439301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the game's just like. kinda old <.< < 1367960206 538422 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it old if you can't even see the pixels < 1367960228 72256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that meant to be a square <-- looks like roman numeral to me < 1367960238 685631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIX I think < 1367960241 861554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit blurry < 1367960290 904217 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : she just set the rendering resolution to ~4K and played at 1080p <-- wait, Final Fantasy XI, which platform is that for? < 1367960303 376373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Final Fantasy was always console exclusive titles? < 1367960307 287325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PC, I think < 1367960308 224767 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1367960310 620523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a PC version < 1367960310 816267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1367960311 357190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :final fantasies have been on PC for ages < 1367960314 512934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A final fantasy for PC?! < 1367960316 320584 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There were a number of FF PC ports. < 1367960319 246483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the console versions are normally better < 1367960319 796308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1367960320 443623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an FF7 for PC < 1367960324 112066 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Fantasy XI is for the PS2, PC, and Xbox 360. < 1367960326 254969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1367960333 392367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1367960334 390318 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4h 22m 11s ago: it seems lots of spam accounts are still editing, but never getting far enough to trigger the block < 1367960338 719701 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude Final Fantasy isn't even final < 1367960341 601894 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you expect < 1367960348 279188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well it was potentially final at the time < 1367960348 684212 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antepenultimate fantasy < 1367960349 574850 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-163-254.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367960358 123976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the company didn't have enough money to produce another game after that one < 1367960360 411216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the expansions for it do come out on PS2. < 1367960371 876942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I only ever played Final Fantasy 6, and in zsnes even. < 1367960377 210660 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one coming out soon in fact. < 1367960381 194199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily they managed to keep going using the proceeds from it < 1367960385 838191 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is one of the better ones. < 1367960392 513608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I know < 1367960399 782124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, too many random encounters though < 1367960406 772161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a fan of that mechanic < 1367960433 816289 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might appreciate XII. Though honestly the gameplay kinda... sucks. < 1367960439 597001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I think Chrono Trigger did that much better, what with you seeing the enemies on screen, wasn't just a random battle after n steps < 1367960450 599678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its saving grace is you can program the players, so you don't have to play the game. :P < 1367960452 258170 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :XII had some good things about it. < 1367960458 817009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Secret of Mana even more so, you could evade there, no turn based battle either < 1367960460 182359 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XII doesn't have random characters! < 1367960465 712461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :encounters < 1367960467 576275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of other stuff in it was great. < 1367960468 526030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect for vorpal < 1367960472 559066 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, XIII < 1367960481 44668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the terrible one? < 1367960484 511571 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, the combat was excruciating. < 1367960489 547695 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, XIII is the terrible one. < 1367960495 563542 :ion!~ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIII_%28video_game%29 < 1367960499 415490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Lightning or whatever the girl was called < 1367960514 584757 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XII is the one with great bits and a combat system that *clearly* had the game devs hack in a way to make it actually playable. < 1367960515 201747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XIII is the wonderful one < 1367960517 621372 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google Final Fantasy XXX < 1367960518 897212 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1655820261 < 1367960524 280106 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1367960526 793353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect jafet < 1367960556 530892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm not much of a final fantasy fan, Way too much repetitive grinding in FF VI, and that is the one I played. Great story though. < 1367960568 809467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People generally play them for the story. < 1367960570 215262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :A well written LP on that would be far superior < 1367960574 874626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot better RPG series IMO, yeah < 1367960581 304159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :final fantasy gets a lot of attention for some reason but it's not even the most popular series < 1367960592 768498 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best known series. < 1367960594 228025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, Planescape: Torment (not a series though). Lousy combat though. < 1367960600 533564 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to being many people's introduction to the genre. < 1367960601 527272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, dragon quest is a lot more popular < 1367960610 789308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but man, Ps:T story. Nothing beats it. < 1367960613 813408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Planescape: Torment effectively belongs to the Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights series < 1367960619 157521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's quite different in nature to those other games < 1367960631 928838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh, those are Forgotten Realm. Not Planescape < 1367960635 45357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's also Tales and Ys and Golden Sun and Star Ocean < 1367960637 189818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a different setting. < 1367960637 412553 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combat is lousy for a reason < 1367960646 826010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, there's a noticeable difference between JRPGs like Final Fantasy and WRPGs like Baldur's Gate < 1367960652 194431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Megami Tensei. < 1367960654 233484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, because Infinity Engine? Also some story reasons I guess. < 1367960655 7935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlike the final fantasy games, which sharea unified world" < 1367960672 534529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the combat is terrible to make a deep point about pacifism < 1367960690 973754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"share a unified world" pffffff < 1367960696 737555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, final fantasy games are pretty inconsistent setting-wise < 1367960698 336607 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yup. They're rather different genres, though coming from the same place. < 1367960707 751262 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even FFXI and FFTA, which are meant to share a setting, have noticeable differences in their settings < 1367960708 763818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to make a good game about pacifism is to make a stealth game. < 1367960711 383396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both originate as "D&D on computers!" < 1367960723 148554 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read a few text files claiming to have unified the final fantasy plots < 1367960723 357527 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :final fantasy's "thing" is that the game reinvents itself each game, instead of staying the same < 1367960723 553032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, FFXII and FFTA < 1367960727 875655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can be both good and bad of course <.<) < 1367960729 639560 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :major waste of my time lemme tell you < 1367960729 834858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a misleading typo < 1367960741 778740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: They've got highly inconsistent metaphysics. < 1367960750 805383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that made me literally facepalm for the first time in months < 1367960762 29169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1367960777 949591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you know what the word "facepalm" actually means, right? as in, you put your face in your palm in disbelief? < 1367960778 316520 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, one of the games literally has souls you can see when someone dies. < 1367960779 435869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I did that < 1367960780 881546 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Sin was made of a bunch of melted Vivis or something < 1367960785 298040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway i never really liked the (admittedly few) JRPGs I played. < 1367960786 305262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in response to what < 1367960793 112299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone trying to unify final fantasy plots < 1367960793 444756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The shit? < 1367960800 682144 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the story can be good, often the combat is pretty bad. < 1367960803 272293 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to make a good game about pacifism is to make it so that you can't hurt anything < 1367960807 757086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: that's the level of discourse we're dealing with here < 1367960811 33383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much of a fan of turn based combat. < 1367960818 20127 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most JRPGs don't even have turn based combat... < 1367960818 713489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And definitely not a random encounter fan. < 1367960821 727512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like turn based combat < 1367960823 86138 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe to make you want to hurt something (not necessarily in the game) < 1367960823 909209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well,nintendo released some semiofficial timeline of zelda or sth < 1367960826 53213 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and random encounters are largely rare nowadays < 1367960831 715650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you might like WRPGs, they rarely have random encounters < 1367960838 591697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, well I mostly played ones from the SNES era, that either had turn based or pseudo-turn based < 1367960843 403937 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh < 1367960848 938425 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Timeline of zelda sounds like an oxymoron < 1367960849 642233 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-turn based? < 1367960852 461793 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Ocean I think was the only SNES game that had action combat < 1367960853 985253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the combat is often at least vaguely realtime, although you're still just entering commands and waiting for the characters to cary them out < 1367960857 69275 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I can think of < 1367960858 579146 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Probably referring to ATB. < 1367960861 734420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest computer games to D&D and so on are probably the text adventure games. < 1367960862 191911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, like, if you wait to long you miss your chance < 1367960865 45936 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: oh, right. < 1367960868 64204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Ocean was really late in the SNES's life though < 1367960872 268708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively… there's the mario&luigi series < 1367960872 680672 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually had voiced attacks and things < 1367960876 658550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, iirc Chrono Trigger was like that < 1367960877 896985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea there was a star ocean for snes < 1367960879 811445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF9 was the last one using straight ATB... < 1367960882 889480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first star ocean was a snes game < 1367960886 315756 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It didn't get a US release. < 1367960886 511098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :second was... PS1 I think < 1367960895 305048 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: meh. I like to ponder, think, reflect, wait, stress and cogitate. < 1367960895 500607 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the remake was released in the US though, it's on PSP along with the second game. < 1367960898 180769 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed. < 1367960903 272435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remake's really good. they went and fully voiced the whole game. < 1367960903 621909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again there was a 3d star fox for snes too < 1367960903 951782 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a fan translation. < 1367960907 52610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don'tknow a lot of things < 1367960915 306597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and added boatloads of stuff < 1367960915 501875 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was voiced on the SNES. :) < 1367960917 290605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I played good turn based games. They were not JRPGs though. < 1367960921 92068 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the combat had voices, I think? < 1367960923 270202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the rest of the game < 1367960929 578436 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Cutscenes. < 1367960935 699641 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the anime cutscenes < 1367960936 899069 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNES carts were big enough for that? < 1367960947 744019 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: like civilization? < 1367960949 825899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PSP version has like, hours and hours of voiced content though < 1367960955 673257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, sure that works yes < 1367960956 485781 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: This was a particularly insane SNES cart. < 1367960961 308587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new Neverwinter MMO has some sort of "set rendering resolution independently of screen resolution" thing, except it's for scaling it down for speed. < 1367960966 631914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, anyway, a great story on it's own doesn't cut it for me. I need solid gameplay and I'm not a fan of grinding or repetition. < 1367960973 567412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It actually had a hardware decompressor for all its content. < 1367960978 760296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that's super common nowadays, like, most PS3 games don't actually render at 720p even < 1367960980 673320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: so like star fox 2, sweet < 1367960988 262206 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Star Fox 2 had a coprocessor. < 1367960990 711640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Don't put in filler to make a game longer, either add more interesting stuff, or just make the experience shorter < 1367960998 461615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coprocessor, decompressor, sameshit < 1367961006 24944 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think JRPGs are particularly bad on the filler side < 1367961006 904595 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was actually a thing that was just on the address bus. < 1367961012 159086 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like skyrim was wayyy grindier than any JRPG I have ever played < 1367961035 82547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh yeah, that is the nature of open world RPGs though < 1367961039 571220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess I've never played SNES-era ones < 1367961043 747656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except star ocean < 1367961050 719667 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: SNES carts can be pretty freaking crazy though. < 1367961051 360980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it was kind of a lot worse back then <.< < 1367961053 29232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1367961054 285679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: < 1367961063 276546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did put quite a few hours into Skyrim, but eventually I did get bored. The mods kept me going through quite a bit of it < 1367961069 688589 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's something I really appreciate from the crawl dev team, for example. I fondly remember Vaults being 8 level deep, but it had to be shortened sooner or later. < 1367961069 890384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Skyrim lacks depth. < 1367961071 98985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i thought jrpgs were entirely about grinding < 1367961076 987326 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1367961085 380884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cars are also entirely about racing < 1367961086 617087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES cards had special chips built in too < 1367961089 545222 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a tight experience that keeps you tense all the way is what makes the essence of a great game. < 1367961092 176431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the grinding and repetition either, but I have some ideas how to solve (what do will do, depends on the game): Make time limits. Make the respawn to increase the opponent's strength double than it does your own. Make the experience bonus decrease every time until eventually it is negative. There are others too. < 1367961092 485827 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's a common element, not a necessary one. < 1367961094 86239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :carts* < 1367961099 248136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No they're not. < 1367961113 935915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Witcher 2, that was a game that did most stuff right. I would say everything, but someone is bound to point out some issue with it that I forgot for the moment. < 1367961114 872688 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The SNES chips go waaay beyond NES mappers or Famicom audio chips. < 1367961118 312811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Some of the drop rates in those things have been kind of ludicrous. < 1367961129 605291 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: final fantasy 13 actually levelcapped you heavily to force you to be smart in battles, so you couldn't grind until super late in the game < 1367961154 384593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You can literally replace the SNES CPU from a cartridge. < 1367961156 555632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Levelcaps might help a bit, but I think it is not enough. < 1367961166 316396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a lot of other shit. < 1367961168 760942 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I think some SNES carts had 3D coprocessors? < 1367961175 272718 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tales has a built-in difficulty setting you can change at any time, so if you feel like you're too low level you can just lower the difficulty instead, or vice versa < 1367961177 103769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's starfox < 1367961191 453507 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367961195 717530 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367961205 600632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon quest can be pretty grindy though. if you want it to be I guess < 1367961208 582300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, there were other co-processors though. I know Super Mario RPG had some sort of co-processor < 1367961211 897908 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That was a general-purpose RISC chip that just happened to be rendering polygons into the system framebuffer. < 1367961214 885557 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all the super crazy impossible post-game bosses for the grinders XD < 1367961229 871884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: most JRPGs have that < 1367961244 412922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many games can be pretty grindy if you want to play them a few levels above "normal" levels. < 1367961247 63178 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the FFI one < 1367961247 752304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also be possible to make simple cheat codes and/or patches to improve the game to not have grinding, I suppose. < 1367961252 181281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warbot or something < 1367961261 627274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most JRPGs are completable without grinding, although there are exceptions < 1367961273 445052 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why they even did that < 1367961279 685174 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the winner in that category has to be disgaea though < 1367961284 635560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a completely wonderful series though) < 1367961290 674215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every final fantasy game except… 3? can be completed with no leveling up < 1367961300 731722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh possibly also 1 < 1367961307 713096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 doesn't /have/ levelling up) < 1367961313 386772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean whether or not you can complete them by grinding; I mean to make it so that you are disadvantaged to grinding! < 1367961334 869316 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That is, the SNES is structured as an asymmetric multiprocessing architecture, with pluggable processors. < 1367961340 15630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atelier has that, I think? if you go out of your way to grind you'll probably make terribly inefficient use of your time because it's a limited-time game < 1367961341 656527 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fucking insane. < 1367961345 79207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fighting monsters takes up in-game time < 1367961346 507715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I found that FF VI had pretty much forced grinding in the form of random encounters. It punished exploration in dungeons as well, since it happened every nth step (where n varied a bit, but was determined at the end of the previous battle) < 1367961362 721826 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays it's more worthwile to just stuff as much computing power in the console itself < 1367961368 825329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atelier totori didn't have random encounters either (besides like, very rare ones as special events on the world map?) < 1367961371 346677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can run < 1367961372 939723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use dumb media < 1367961397 827841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, run from battle? Sure, except not always. < 1367961414 826408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run from pretty much all but boss battles in FF games... < 1367961420 640187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1367961431 8393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often you can get the "no random battles" thing, too, though pretty late. < 1367961431 307726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, not if you got enemies from either sides in FF VI < 1367961433 862896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could happen < 1367961435 832393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, even in the computer itself you might have multiple processors, though. < 1367961436 27963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some FF where speedrunners run from every battle < 1367961438 355825 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it *did* that. < 1367961440 408282 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1367961440 832466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, way too late < 1367961443 415843 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367961445 32874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in boss battles it makes your turn come sooner for some bizarre reason < 1367961448 96125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's not the same though < 1367961454 301603 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think FFVI is the only one that does that. < 1367961459 114474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, oh okay < 1367961494 403027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Pokémon, there's a consumable that prevents wild encounters from lower-level Pokémon (read: prevents wild encounters) for a while < 1367961505 172916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: VII has "pincer attacks" too. < 1367961506 97480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1367961508 82718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I know of that. < 1367961513 99043 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I do not remember that at *all*. < 1367961517 266206 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think that were the ones I mentioned above? < 1367961568 416642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mentioned them in VI, unless I misread something. < 1367961575 633137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1367961627 549477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kirby 1 for GameBoy has terrible scoring, although the scoring can be greatly improved by CHANGING A SINGLE BYTE IN THE ROM. Maybe similar things can be done for other games, such as RPG style games, to improve so is not grinding so much? < 1367961628 57404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_Formations says only VI and VII. I don't remember if they affected running in VII. < 1367961654 376413 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For what it's worth, I generally think of grinding as one of the worst features in JRPGs. My basic mindset is that skill should be able to replace levelling to an extent. < 1367961663 667261 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a tight experience that keeps you tense all the way is what makes the essence of a great game. < 1367961670 444360 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also requires battle systems where skill is actually a factor, and not enough do that. < 1367961676 718113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one game where you just spew out gold like some sort of a gold coin fountain when running from battle, I can't recall which. < 1367961680 798396 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do not press ↑ in IRC. do not press ↑ in IRC.) < 1367961714 294200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also make a game where leveling sometimes or always goes backwards. < 1367961755 328706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Super Mario RPG and its sequels < 1367961763 747973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spamming A makes you lose less gold, IIRC < 1367961773 378003 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are game mechanics still based on tabletop game mechanics anyway < 1367961779 170724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in SMRPG, the timing of your button presses affects the damage things do < 1367961784 391357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: History, mostly. < 1367961792 290773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they should add something to penalise mashing buttons while trying to catch pokemon < 1367961795 593458 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense laziness < 1367961795 788894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not tell anyone) < 1367961798 80788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha < 1367961806 836230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: play Ys, Tales, or Star Ocean? < 1367961810 580146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many video games are actually based on tabletop mechanics nowadays < 1367961811 270494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it completely ignores input during that time, that's been proven < 1367961822 12519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I have not. Well. Not long. < 1367961829 345419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ys in particular is murderously difficult < 1367961832 764737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don'tthink even D&D games really do that any more < 1367961832 960322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's satisfying to mash them < 1367961833 186460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I am just bad, but < 1367961833 499444 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer RPGs literally originate as computer adaptations of D&D. < 1367961835 707223 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: any game wit hit points < 1367961844 266446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing to do with Pokemon game, is, make it so that the Game Corner is closed and so that experience from wild Pokemon battles is negative. < 1367961849 449032 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you walk around in real life with a number on your head < 1367961850 731011 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a common thing in RPGs. < 1367961862 31887 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: so, halo? < 1367961868 890088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the Game Corner has been removed, as of Black/White < 1367961886 392047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it was Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga that I was thinking of, yes. < 1367961894 5078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So for positive experience you need trainer battles) < 1367961896 191936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that'd work < 1367961912 808791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMRPG sort of forked into the M&L series and the Paper Mario series < 1367961925 733357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference is that in Paper Mario, perfect timing means you take a bit less damage, and do a bit more < 1367961926 227831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember what the game corner is < 1367961937 827468 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Halo has hit points < 1367961940 836100 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's where you got frustrated at roulette and got a poyrgon? < 1367961943 132154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :porygon < 1367961947 108245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in M&L, perfect timing means you do orders of magnitude more damage, and take no damage, and sometimes damage enemies on their turn < 1367962000 468180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer RPG is not really like D&D; text adventure games are more like, I think. < 1367962003 14827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a building in Celadon, Goldenrod, Mauville, Veilstone, that contains slot machines and sometimes roulette tables < 1367962018 437207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: WRPGs tend to have large dialogue trees < 1367962022 905853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are quite like D&D in that respect < 1367962057 964739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That doesn't really make it all that much, I think < 1367962067 597873 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amazed that you know which four cities had game corners right off the bat < 1367962076 397530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventures are like D&D in that you get frustrated at the DM's stupid narration a lot, but unlike them in that you can't pay him to shut up with some soda < 1367962097 659610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never pay the DM to shut up by anything < 1367962101 107906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Neverwinter MMO I mentioned is "theoretically" based on 4th edition D&D, but it's really not. (E.g. "per-encounter" == thing with a cooldown, "daily" == whenever your action point bar has filled up; and the levels go up to 60. (Not that I know if 4th Ed does that.)) < 1367962119 321496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: For what it's worth, I generally think of grinding as one of the worst features in JRPGs. My basic mindset is that skill should be able to replace levelling to an extent. <-- to an extent yes... < 1367962119 987965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: it took a few seconds to remember < 1367962129 179346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: a tight experience that keeps you tense all the way is what makes the essence of a great game. <-- yes < 1367962136 800853 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They are *mechanically* like them intentionally. < 1367962149 329647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, that is why I like Witcher 2. Also Bastion. < 1367962151 589276 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In narrative structure, though, you're right. < 1367962158 577485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like 4E D&D; I think it mess up a lot of things. < 1367962165 440146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like "per-encounter" anything. < 1367962165 732544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, both are excellent games, you should try them if you haven't already. < 1367962176 531464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't delimit the game into encounters. < 1367962180 287746 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adopting unicode as the charset of Common was clearly a mistake < 1367962181 895889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have called D&D 4E something other than D&D < 1367962188 643882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd be a lot more popular IMO < 1367962200 684948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Metroid Fusion should probably have been put into a different game series < 1367962203 11683 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just need to make AD&D 4. < 1367962207 82540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that is what many people say. < 1367962210 866673 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusion was great :( < 1367962212 787250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4E is probably good because people seem to complain about it a lot < 1367962219 172833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have never played d&d) < 1367962224 232205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerd < 1367962234 765285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling me a nerd for never having played d&d < 1367962238 748090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Text adventures are like D&D in that you have to word everything *just* the right way, or else the DM just replies "I don't know how to 'word'". < 1367962238 948981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also one thing I was designing Icosahedral RPG; in which many things are quite the opposite of 4E D&D. They should call that 4E Advanced D&D. < 1367962254 984048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exactly < 1367962256 728736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1367962274 307471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I attack the gazebo." "I don't see a gazebo here" < 1367962278 336147 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically anything that upsets grognards is probably a really good thing < 1367962287 382260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pathfinder is pretty good < 1367962299 18617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a third-party attempt to continue D&D 3e (which is open source) < 1367962331 474939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and yeah, my point is that Fusion is a good game, but it's in the wrong series < 1367962341 595836 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I should, but time is more precious than spice mélange right now for me. < 1367962342 333977 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's definitely more linear < 1367962351 243328 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't played it either < 1367962352 118281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it looks a bit out of place among the other Metroid games < 1367962353 292371 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem like enough to force a rebrand though < 1367962353 487743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, fair enough < 1367962356 733570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe; but still, I prefer Icosahedral RPG. Icosahedral RPG involves mathematical ring theory, category theory, and so on, too. < 1367962358 294931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: thanks for the info < 1367962365 818914 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1367962367 965186 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent a couple days making a zork speedrun route. looking for parser shortcuts was tons of fun < 1367962369 518215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's more to do with how the program handles error conditions < 1367962373 269883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Bastion is pretty short though. You can beat it over a weekend. < 1367962385 719975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is fusion < 1367962388 254763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, level adjustments are now called "pseudolevels" and all kind of creatures have it; not only some. < 1367962389 143287 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what < 1367962391 1556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, excellent story, no filler. Cool narrator. < 1367962395 135621 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367962396 184190 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: metroid fusion, a GBA game about shooting aliens < 1367962396 915960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this change? < 1367962402 265402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in Super Metroid, if you get to an item early, you get that item < 1367962404 44600 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the infamous "kill troll with sword. kill troll with sword. kill troll with sword." thing, i'd reduced it down to "cut it. g. g." < 1367962414 844201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a NPC in Neverwinter lamenting how "in the old days" you could store magical spells in wands and staves, and how it's a shame they don't work like that these days. I assume that's some sort of a 4E joke. < 1367962415 661847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Metroid Fusion, if you get to an item early, it gives you the wrong item or errors out < 1367962422 165726 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1367962423 254943 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? you can't sequence break in fusion, really? < 1367962423 482845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1367962428 74819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, it is an isometric action RPG I guess < 1367962434 478380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yep; a few sequence breaks have been found, but the game engine can't handle them < 1367962435 488363 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm clearly not hardcore enough < 1367962438 312865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only usable ones are "minibreaks" < 1367962438 628237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another change is feats are earned more often, and ability score increases less often. < 1367962440 256945 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-128-25.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is. < 1367962455 32241 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1367962459 809920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sequence breaking is when you're so lazy that you have two breaks in quick succession < 1367962460 44552 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does icosahedral rpg involve CT, that sounds cool < 1367962461 859589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was a NPC in Neverwinter lamenting how "in the old days" you could store magical spells in wands and staves, and how it's a shame they don't work like that these days. I assume that's some sort of a 4E joke. <-- in the MMO? In NWN2? < 1367962462 423840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also one intentional one which is freakishly difficult to pull off, but if you do it, the game basically tells you "well done, now do it properly" < 1367962473 627821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :NWN1 is based on 3.5 iirc < 1367962483 575634 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the funny thing is, people have found a sequence-breaking way to pull off that sequence break in an unintended way, which is easier than the intended one < 1367962490 144211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's based on 3.0 < 1367962491 689919 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367962493 847584 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm. I think I may be able to find some spare hours out there in the wild. probably in around two or three weeks, after mothers day and 0.12 tournament. < 1367962496 592946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh okay < 1367962502 635208 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the speedshark thing? that's pretty funny < 1367962516 692061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the Secret Message < 1367962522 959099 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PART :#esoteric < 1367962525 819604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intended way is chaining shinesparks < 1367962534 996477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Witcher 2, while an excellent high fantasy action RPG with stunning visuals, will take you quite a bit longer though. < 1367962537 34262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, alignment for kind of creatures is now "S" (stereotypical; most intelligent creatures, normally 12%), "A" (always; for demons/angels; normally 99.1%), "U" (unaligned; for normal animals), "X" (don't care; for humans, normally 11.111%) < 1367962546 894896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unintended way involves using the game's anti-doppler-effect code to curve an ice missile around a corner, so you can avoid collecting the diffusion missiles < 1367962551 569980 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers seem pretty arbitrary < 1367962555 674778 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O_o < 1367962556 796331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to go back and get them anyway because the game refuses to let you continue without htem < 1367962557 982716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spells form a mathematical category. < 1367962568 137038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, oh and I would say that Bastion is somewhat steampunk < 1367962569 756608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Do you mean my numbers? < 1367962578 370280 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the percentages, yes < 1367962594 216431 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the arrows between them? < 1367962595 259843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you believe 1/3 of all humans are evil? < 1367962609 192469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mormon < 1367962611 501256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, they aren't arbitrary; they are carefully calculated. Also, "U" is 100% although it doesnt matter. < 1367962630 30823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In the MMO. < 1367962634 271326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1367962635 883110 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sleep is for wimps. the need to eat is a fallacy of the mind. the urge to play bastion is getting stronger with your compelling arguments. < 1367962637 809460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not sure, but I was giving example. In this game it is normally assumed so, though. < 1367962658 677868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which game is that, with the sequence break? < 1367962664 597410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Metroid Fusion < 1367962667 727987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1367962670 587598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it can be relative; it is not always absolute; "Detect Evil" and so on are not based on inherent alignments but on circumstances. < 1367962678 447711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what sort of game is that? < 1367962680 231688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compare it to Metroid Prime 3: Corruption < 1367962683 655798 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should mention i've only played fusion and zero mission (and the original) < 1367962687 787304 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: metroidvania < 1367962688 442418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not a 2D metroidvania? < 1367962690 945530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is similarly linear in intent, except sequence breaking actually works < 1367962696 813972 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Metroid Fusion is a 2D metroidvania < 1367962700 90911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1367962708 543216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever played Super Metroid < 1367962712 219502 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could say you're evil iff you're in the most evil 1/3 of people < 1367962712 414674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, you can assume all Metroid games are metroidvanias, even if some are excessively linear < 1367962713 688298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never finished it < 1367962723 224018 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't there one that is a FPS? < 1367962725 248412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some late one < 1367962731 705706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the Metroid Prime series are FPSes < 1367962735 561249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1367962736 527916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nonetheless Metroidvanias < 1367962743 929074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1367962749 72144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metroid Prime 1 is almost as good as Super Metroid < 1367962758 433925 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort all living people by alignment, the lowest 1/3 is evil, the highest 1/3 is good hth < 1367962763 212789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't mind being spoiled on it (e.g. you never intend to play it), watch a video of someone playing it < 1367962764 725863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great < 1367962774 652487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got bored with super metroid, trying to find where I was supposed to go next < 1367962789 256717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Prime's solution is an optional Hint System < 1367962791 668723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not a fan of the SNES controls. < 1367962795 595037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells you where to go next in the intended sequence of the game < 1367962800 976965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how did you calculate 99.1% < 1367962802 735255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1367962803 484708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: < 1367962806 674523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can turn off if you don't like it < 1367962808 235388 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :metroids control too clunkily for me :( < 1367962810 777224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpad for shooting isn't all that good IMO < 1367962816 393093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, quite < 1367962820 402083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the two axes (L/C and G/E), there is also the prefix, one of those four, followed by the letter for each axis; the letter for each axis can also be "X", however, for example "UNN", "AXE", and "XXX". < 1367962831 628184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original Metroid Prime releases control like Zelda games < 1367962846 69077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, z-targeting? < 1367962848 349818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1367962855 516718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a FPS? < 1367962856 714892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1367962859 148613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got updated rereleases with a second control scheme < 1367962873 784505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where holding L would lock the camera to hold your target in the centre of the screen < 1367962880 999332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, to me FPS is about skilled aiming. < 1367962889 987307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could aim at other things too < 1367962890 593209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why FPS on consoles confuse me < 1367962900 276804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't aim well with a game pad < 1367962902 401026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: First I can say how 12% is calculated: It is just because of the dice used. (I wanted to omit the d10 because it isn't Platonic, but it is needed for many things so I didn't.) This means roll the dice d10 and 1 to 9 corresponds to LE to CG (or whatever). For the 99.1%, it is also due to the dice, but this time the listed alignment is almost always selected. < 1367962911 204355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really need a mouse for a quick skilled aiming. < 1367962912 179075 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART #esoteric :"afk a bit" < 1367962913 3598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well Metroid Prime is a metroidvania < 1367962922 69887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and an FPS < 1367962934 914773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the metroidvania side of things gets more focus < 1367962936 740755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also you can't z-target with the bow can you in OOT at least? < 1367962940 677995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of 3D platforming, for instance < 1367962948 702914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is first person < 1367962950 878020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can shoot at things < 1367962951 687920 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get lost in FPSes. < 1367962953 318000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric := it's a first person shooter < 1367962959 978840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the game isn't about first person shooting < 1367962965 469090 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old fpss are the worst for getting lost < 1367962971 956994 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get lost irl (maybe only if you're carrying a gun?) < 1367962974 854857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, it has L-targeting < 1367962976 39204 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 3D platforming in first person tends to be abysmal. Only game I played that I felt did that right was Mirror's Edge. < 1367962982 97554 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when they give you a 2d map of a complicated 3d space uuuuugh < 1367963002 567925 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where can i read about this category of spells / icosahedral rpg in general < 1367963006 208124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Metroid Prime gives you a 3D map < 1367963007 57044 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I should try and see if I get lost while carrying a gun. < 1367963010 294483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has complicated 3D spaces < 1367963012 920353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This alignment prefix is similar to the "always", "usually", "often" in D&D 3.5E, but the standard campaign changes its meaning a lot; if "S" people tend to believe it even though it isn't usually the case! < 1367963018 15229 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah i've seen it in the third one < 1367963022 520412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you get lost irl (maybe only if you're carrying a gun?) <-- no not really, though I never carry a gun. I don't live in a country where that is legal < 1367963025 207389 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just wanted to complain anonymously about marathon < 1367963029 575960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1367963114 557250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how did the 3D platforming feel in Metroid Prime? < 1367963122 657112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bad as Half Life? < 1367963132 832934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I don't really have much written on the computer. I can explain other mathematical things about it, though: A "mana" is a multiset of elements taken from {w,u,b,r,g}, and a "multimana" is a multiset of manas. The sum of multimanas is their multiset sum. The product of multimanas is the Cartesian product using the multiset sum as its underlying operation. I also made a partial ordering on them. < 1367963133 84404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it looks quite good to me < 1367963139 166826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I haven't actually played most of the games I know a lot about < 1367963142 355530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as good as Mirror's Edge? < 1367963144 603997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just watch a lot of streams and videos < 1367963159 45968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it gives you a bit more control than Mirror's Edge < 1367963162 884934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being floatier < 1367963168 559589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric := more time to react < 1367963172 813145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1367963189 786604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time people seem to have difficulty is when they're trying to do glitches < 1367963199 164306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, ones that rely on the camera being in the wrong place < 1367963203 833598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw I got the latest humble bundle, sadly Costume Quest does not run properly for me on Linux < 1367963209 653872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you can move a camera into a good place to see the jump < 1367963212 976904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it draws much larger than the screen < 1367963213 172610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Icosahedral RPG has no default encounter experience, or any "per-encounter" anything. Experience points are assigned by the referee whatever you want; normally story awards. < 1367963221 294728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus I can't see the entire main menu < 1367963223 276998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having the camera stuck behind a wall lets you jump higher, so people get it stuck intentionally < 1367963225 955751 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that before < 1367963247 431066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of all of these kind of ideas (including pseudolevels)? < 1367963284 323302 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1367963301 822524 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirror's Edge is really a single player racing game http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FDD2563A3897DC7 < 1367963314 69498 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudolevels sound like they could just be called levels < 1367963329 299208 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way i don't know enough about role playing games to really have an opinion < 1367963341 650049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Well, they aren't; they don't do anything levels do other than the experience points. < 1367963396 612232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, spells are learned using templates. < 1367963422 543486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default method of generating ability scores in this game is Goldilock's Method. < 1367963473 385034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was goldilocks as a roleplayer < 1367963497 931741 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere in the middle, I expect < 1367963583 540908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mirror's Edge is really a single player racing game http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2FDD2563A3897DC7 <-- if you speedrun it yet < 1367963586 524794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes* < 1367963593 492736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know, but that isn't quite it. It is simply another method for generating ability scores, involving both randomness and choice, in a bit more complicated way than the standard 4d6 drop lowest, and the total almost always makes 74; if it turns out less you get 1 bonus point for every 3 less, but it doesn't happen often. < 1367963601 963736 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every game is really a single player racing game < 1367963604 191366 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else do you play that game < 1367963639 202667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that called when you see your dude from behind, like in a third-person thing, but you still have a targeting reticle in the middle of the screen that you use for doing things, and moving the mouse rotates the camera, like in a first-person thing? < 1367963676 716633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess it's still a third-person shooter < 1367963682 52695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a 2D game with those controls < 1367963684 869505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought of it as a 3PS < 1367963707 622576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The four standard classes are Fighter, Expert, Divine, and Arcane. Fighter is the only combat-oriented class; others are not so good at combat. Arcane is the most complicated class to understand and play, but can interest people who are interested in these kind of things. < 1367963745 849320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, there is also "Commoner", which is simply leveling your racial HD; this is not the same as the D&D "Commoner" class.) < 1367964067 372429 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1367964101 939192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : How else do you play that game <-- for the story? < 1367964114 887052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nah < 1367964119 534328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story is not that good < 1367964129 50842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some things about Icosahedral RPG in a book I have been writing in by hand, though. The "Fundamental Rule" is "There are exceptions to all rules, including this one". Text adventure games are mentioned in the introduction; it is also mentioned that a player character can be human, or other species; monster characters are also allowed, and multiclassing is allowed, etc. < 1367964144 982597 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely enjoyed the mirror's edge univeres < 1367964154 307885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also mentions that five of the six dice shapes used are Platonic solids. < 1367964159 109320 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just running around and looking at stuff < 1367964204 19643 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367964395 568518 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1367964400 495901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But what if you mostly hack at things and rather rarely shoot things? < 1367964417 746833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1367964433 772732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metroid Prime doesn't really have any melee weapons (the flamethrower doesn't count), so I'm out of things to compare to < 1367964446 894707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the d10 shape is the dual of a pentagonal antiprism < 1367964577 459471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, but it still isn't a Platonic solid. < 1367964600 217427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And these five are the only five possible Platonic solids.) < 1367964601 500975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: indeed; it does belong to a mathematically recognised class of polyhedra, though < 1367964607 103990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which incidentally all make fair dice) < 1367964638 705601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should mention that, then. < 1367964663 794519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a superset of the Platonic solids < 1367964686 888923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is infinite, but only finitely many aren't the duals of prisms or antiprisms < 1367964711 395620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1367964827 533462 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1367964853 972260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to think all of these rules which are changed from D&D, such as magic, alignment prefix, etc, make the game far more interesting (and probably a bit more difficult too); the mathematical stuff also makes it interesting, especially to people who like mathematics. < 1367964935 590586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is that high-level spellcasters that want to have a large selection of spells available will need to have a lot of strength and/or a lot of spell mastery. < 1367965022 570488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is called the "DM" or "GM" in other games is normally called the "referee" in this game. < 1367965038 842199 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does the plot? < 1367965117 659889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly the referee does the plot, but it also changes depending on what choices the players make during the game. < 1367965166 479286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And partially on the choices made before the game, such as character species/class/skills/backstory) < 1367965262 942086 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.101.183 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1367965381 787368 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1367965994 683971 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1367966135 657018 :boily1!~boily@161.30.23.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367966201 573024 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1367966208 549440 :boily1!~boily@161.30.23.92 NICK :boily < 1367966590 795227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these things can easily be made to work with D&D 3.5E as well: Simply assign level adjustments to those that don't have, use Goldilock's Method for generating ability scores (I already do this), make it so that listed alignments (even if it says "Always") are only what people believe (due to confirmation bias?) and not what it actually is, and you can assign experience points differently; there are many other variations. < 1367966598 795174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like any of these variations? < 1367966598 991060 :boily!~boily@161.30.23.92 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1367966696 872208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, in Icosahedral RPG all core rules are in one book, not three; furthermore, it is arranged very differently. Magic items are listed with mundane, humans and other species are listed with monsters, etc) < 1367966998 246620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any of you make any computer games? What programming language/target machine/operating system/etc? < 1367967014 842948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have various ideas of computer games; do you have some idea please? < 1367967049 471511 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language seems like a weird question for game-making < 1367967062 748873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (almost, sorta) like asking an author what font they use < 1367967069 686131 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Karin Dreijer Andersson ..thanks sweden :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3XkZbVB2qw&hd=1 < 1367967075 990930 :hagb4rd|tempsane!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :madb4rd < 1367967084 618520 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA! KAMPA < 1367967092 247559 :madb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4332c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA IA < 1367967112 543286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if it is applicable to the game you are making, what font do you use? < 1367967143 142089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I meant, such as, if it is written in C then it might be compatible with many computers if it uses console I/O or SDL, for example. < 1367967159 864242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If in assembly language it is only for one computer (although you can use it on others with emulators). < 1367967165 559834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem like a very interesting question to ask < 1367967172 354666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about the content or anything < 1367967221 981220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct, but I still want to know what computer it runs on; the font is not important. < 1367967293 181467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My change to Kirby DreamLand 1 for GameBoy is to change the byte at 0x186D8 in the ROM image file from 0x3D to 0xA7, and then try to complete the game with the lowest score possible. < 1367967356 21835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game did you make up, or even just any ideas you have, even if you did not program it (yet)? < 1367967362 538020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does changing the byte do? < 1367967427 78260 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me personally? an grand theft auto ish game where you play as an NKVD agent in alt-history xinjiang. i will probably never make it. < 1367967439 317816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Gives you infinite lives. (Normally, you lose half your points when you continue. Since I changed the goal to completing the game with the lowest score, giving you infinite lives fixes it.) < 1367967506 605423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding a timer would improve it even more, but doing that would be more complicated. < 1367967586 133149 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many points do you get from bosses? < 1367967613 56422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't know, but you get more points if you miss! < 1367967661 742981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also get infinite lives with a PAR code, but because I am playing the game on a GameBoy emulator on the GameBoy Advance (running on the Nintendo DS, actually), which does not support cheat codes, I modified the ROM image instead.) < 1367967743 48395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you eat the apple you get 10 points and then you can throw it at them; if you hit them enough times then you can progress; otherwise you miss and you have these 10 points and you need more to try again. Therefore, you get more points if you miss! < 1367967927 750978 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367967943 51092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, include it in a list of computer game ideas, possibly with more details, whether or not you ever make it. I have various idea of computer games too, some of which I have programmed. < 1367967976 705093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a list? < 1367967999 978679 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want names < 1367968048 174772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I have is a puzzle game for the Famicom, with pieces placed on the grid, which in addition to individual tiles is also split into 2x2 areas, each of which can contain no more than one non-white color of pieces; attempting to move a yellow piece into a 2x2 area already containg a red one will result in the piece not being moved. < 1367968062 927985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This takes advantage of a limitation in the Famicom PPU) < 1367968162 592636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this idea? < 1367968483 379427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is this: You have to save the monsters from various things (other monsters, human sorcerers, the weather, etc), and touching any monsters (good or bad) by bare hands causes instant death; therefore you have to wear gloves. However, gloves prevent you from wearing rings and activating fingerprint scanners, and takes up part of your maximum carrying weight. Gloves can be used for other things too. < 1367968589 307299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this one? < 1367968974 754568 :Nagor!~quassel@62.57.161.7.dyn.user.ono.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1367969005 433787 :Nagor!~quassel@62.57.161.7.dyn.user.ono.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1367969014 953802 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nagor < 1367969017 718248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nagor: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1367969073 318741 :Nagor!~quassel@62.57.161.7.dyn.user.ono.com PART :#esoteric < 1367969088 141250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1367969149 856748 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ClamAV thinks wormkit's infected < 1367969193 410105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1367969196 261429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well if you got welcomed by a bike you'd be pretty freaked out < 1367969209 494302 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addons thingy for Worms: Armageddon < 1367969214 442209 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, more of a mods thingy < 1367969220 798023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *I* wouldn't < 1367969227 560897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're weird < 1367969239 2342 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1367969258 77053 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll quarantine everything < 1367969284 821023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because i'm a BIKE you RACIST < 1367969308 103451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1367969314 219609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're repeating me! < 1367969329 29725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should check to see what is causing it to say such thing. You can also try using a virtual machine. < 1367969342 362253 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want my Windows system to work again < 1367969344 736337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people in this channel are weird? < 1367969345 473625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikes aren't weird!!! < 1367969349 495815 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss when it worked < 1367969361 685960 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And was usably fast < 1367969364 493733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :systems don't "work" sgeo < 1367969369 319838 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just rot < 1367969391 510925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Windows does that; it stops working, especially if it is used in the way they are normally being used. < 1367969608 25694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like either of my two ideas of computers games? I have even more idea other than that too; do *you* have any more ideas than just one please? < 1367969638 948669 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1367969783 478936 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm thinking about making a brainfuck derivative. I think that's a pretty good idea, too. < 1367969876 343985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I think you need to be more specific. < 1367969956 798154 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/amanda_berry_is_dead_psychic_t.html < 1367970003 112764 :boily!~boily@207.34.230.30 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it involves fax, printers and scanners in a network, acting as tape cells. < 1367971068 537449 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-72-185.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: fuck you, xterm < 1367971089 940056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Write about it in esolang wiki. < 1367971174 64320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea of computer game is, Pokemon game for the Z-machine.